Touhou Gameplay Thread

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Touhou Gameplay Thread Anonymous Tue Apr 23 08:00:19 2019 No.21222593 [Reply] [Original]

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>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 10:01:02 2019 No.21223075 Is PWG actually easier to dodge by staying near the side of the screen or do people only do it because they find it easier to read?

Anonymous Tue Apr 23 12:25:14 2019 No.21223702

>>21223075
Peerless Wind God right? Unless I'm grossly mistaken, there's less bullets to deal with on the sides, since you pretty much remove half the angle range from having no bullets come from outside the screen.
That's what I'd say to justify prefering doing Brillant Dragon Bullet on the side too.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 13:20:45 2019 No.21223974 I have 1cced the first three windows games on lunatic but it feels like there is a huge power gap between those and every other game. What do I do now?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 13:28:39 2019 No.21224009 >>21223974 There's always LLS and MS. LLS in particular is pretty easy, MS maybe a just bit less so.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 13:29:40 2019 No.21224016 >>21223702 Yes. Do you not find it restricting on your movement options?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 13:35:56 2019 No.21224044 >>21224016 Yeah, that's the catch, I'm definitely not hugging the screen edge. But even so, to me (again, considering Brillant Dragon Bullet instead) it just feels easier doing so. There's no need for a wide dodging room either.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 13:46:37 2019 No.21224101 >>21223974 Ten Desires is pretty easy

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 15:59:21 2019 No.21224671 File: 2.93 MB, 960x720, 2019-04-22 21-39-42.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] These hitboxes are fucked

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 16:01:00 2019 No.21224679 >>21224671 it hit you just fine on my screen ur the one who sucks lole

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 16:21:15 2019 No.21224768 >>21224671 LoLK would've been so much better if it had the hitboxes from PCB and IN. Single handedly made Doremy and Clownpiece nons 10x worse to deal with than they otherwise would be.

Anonymous Tue Apr 23 17:55:46 2019 No.21225197

Is there some kind of stage cut-off or something similar that's usually recommended for people to keep playing at a selected difficulty? I mean, if you try to play on lunatic and you can't make it past stage 2, for example, I am guessing it means you are not ready for it and it would be better to play at a lower difficulty but after which point would it be possible to have a chance to 1cc a game after a bit of practice on that game?

Anonymous Tue Apr 23 18:08:08 2019 No.21225261
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>>21225197
Why the fuck are you playing on lunatic if you can't get past stage 2? the later stages will rape you even harder, just learn the game on normal/hard then bump up the difficulty when you get better. I can't give you a timeframe but if you can consistently perfect stage 1-3 and have practiced 4-6 then you have a decent shot at a 1cc, build your stockpile in 1-3 then use it whenever you get in trouble in stages 4-6.

Anonymous Tue Apr 23 18:15:38 2019 No.21225311

>>21225197
I wouldn't base it around how far you can progress in a game since you're treading in unfamiliar territory so it's normal if you're struggling on a harder difficulty if you're used to a lower one. I would say that if you find yourself no longer feeling challenged by what you're playing currently, then increasing the difficulty is fine even if you then find yourself having a hard time as you'll get acclimated after practicing enough.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 18:16:36 2019 No.21225317 File: 228 KB, 456x466, 1553390329931.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] You guys probably discussed this to death, but since I'm a newfag: Do you consider using the vpatch for older games as cheating?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 18:20:00 2019 No.21225341 >>21225317 Nobody cares if you use vpatch. At least not here.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 18:20:16 2019 No.21225345 >>21224671 Doremy and silence goddess are so damn hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 18:29:02 2019 No.21225382 >>21225317 Vpatch and translation patches are fine. If you ever care about submitting replays in the future, you may get denied for the latter though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 19:37:25 2019 No.21225787 >>21224679 >lole >>>/s4s/

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 19:41:05 2019 No.21225806 He made another one. https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34992106

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 19:46:20 2019 No.21225834 >>21225806 How did I know it was the humming guys before entering the link?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 20:12:23 2019 No.21225963 >>21225806 Literally me playing Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 20:38:23 2019 No.21226080 >>21225382 You can get denied for using a translation patch? How so? Also, won't it just show up in Japanese anyway, if someone is playing the replay on an unpatched copy of the game?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 20:39:53 2019 No.21226086 >>21226080 Some of the patches fuck replays on unpatched games.

Anonymous Tue Apr 23 21:12:25 2019 No.21226230

>>21226086
is there any evidence of this? this keeps coming up and afaik it's all been hearsay.
searched the archives to jog my memory, and the only claim that wasn't refuted was with in's hardpatch, but that claim also wasn't substantiated. desyncs on mof and sa were said to occur on unpatched games.

Anonymous Tue Apr 23 21:12:28 2019 No.21226231

Guys I need help with Flandre's spellcards, specifically Cranberry Trap, Maze of Love and And Then There Will Be None.
I'm so fucking close to beating this little shit, if you guys help me I promise I'm going to brutally masturbate to her h-doujins out of pure rage for the next week.

Anonymous Tue Apr 23 21:17:48 2019 No.21226247

>>21226230
I'll have to look for my old replays (though I know for a fact it happens in at least PCB) but yeah it's only about the hard patches
The thcrap translations don't do some of the hacky fuckery the crusty old patches do and they don't actually modify the game files in any way so they shouldn't matter unless whoever is judging you is a tremendous weeaboo

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 21:23:45 2019 No.21226268 >>21226231 Can try the routes for cranberry and timeout from this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNUVP_PShPc Maze usually gets for easier for people once they've captured it a few times.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 00:07:37 2019 No.21226791 >>21226231 >Maze of Love Just be confident, don't panic, and keep moving in smooth circles. There's actually a fair amount of space.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 01:27:58 2019 No.21227005
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People asked me to upload a replay last thread so I honed my skills and got a decent run. Actually made it to Utsuho for the first time. Wasn't perfect with my bombs but even if I had been, I still wouldn't have stood a chance. SA is still horrible unbalanced garbage and I still can't beat it despite normal 1ccing nerarly every other game.
replay.lunarcast.net/replay/th11_ud0405.rpy
I also can't remember what the good site for replays is, oh well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 01:41:25 2019 No.21227053 >>21227005 SA is great fun

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 03:28:05 2019 No.21227341 >>21227005 You had plenty of lives for stage 6 you just died to extremely easy shit repeatedly without bombing. That dumb bird isn't even hard just play more and bomb more and you'll get it.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 04:29:54 2019 No.21227480 >>21224671 Yeah I hate this spellcard as well for that reason.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 06:07:30 2019 No.21227753 >>21227005 Utsuho isn't even a difficult stage 6 boss, you can do it anon. "Made it for the first time", no shit you didn't clear

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 06:10:18 2019 No.21227763

>>21227005
>SA is still horrible unbalanced garbage
>I still can't beat it despite normal 1ccing nerarly every other game.
Have you considered that the other games might just be a lot easier and that a Normal 1cc in games like EoSD/PCB/IN/MoF/TD is nothing impressive?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 07:16:17 2019 No.21227931 >>21227341 I had like 1 life, dude. >>21227763 No, I never considered that. What a revelation. It was almost as though my entire point was that SA was ludicrously difficult compared to the other games.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 07:34:37 2019 No.21227987 File: 576 KB, 1282x987, 1529040124843.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21227931 >I had like 1 life, dude. You had 3 lives

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:08:52 2019 No.21228104 >>21226247 It's completely possible for thcrap patches to cause desyncs depending on which translation you use, but to the best of my knowledge none of the ones anyone actually uses have anything that would cause desyncs.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:16:22 2019 No.21228130 Am I going completely insane or was this a Touhou song? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzS_Hnw6Rgk

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:24:08 2019 No.21228418 >>21227005 Just pick Reimu A. It makes no sense to pick Aya if you can't fully utilize her bomb.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 10:07:45 2019 No.21228671

>>21227005
I assume you're the anon that was having Parsee problems?

For Parsee's midboss card, her sprite doesn't damage you after the pattern starts. You should position yourself at the bottom of the screen under where she spawns and then you can just slowly move to the top and back down with the bullets trailing behind you. You'll kill it very quickly.

For the flower card you have the right idea. The most I can offer is to try and keep yourself aligned to end it as quickly as possible.

For the clone card, the real Parsee always shoots the small bullets. The bubble clone disappears for a moment before they trade places so you can use that as a visual reference for when you should stop shooting so you don't accidentally cause a bunch of bubbles to spawn.

If you're planning to stick with ReimuC make sure you keep your options aimed towards her during her final card. You were wasting a lot of moments you could've been getting extra damage in to finish it quicker while you were circling around her.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 11:21:47 2019 No.21228987 File: 1.63 MB, 1282x984, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Woo.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 11:51:36 2019 No.21229109 >>21227931 >It was almost as though my entire point was that SA was ludicrously difficult compared to the other games. 15 is still harder though

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 11:52:44 2019 No.21229111 >>21225963 Me too except I whistle.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 12:19:03 2019 No.21229225 Did ZUN reduce the frames to deathbomb in UFO? Shit's fucking impossible

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 15:56:11 2019 No.21230049 >>21228987 Congratulations.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 18:43:01 2019 No.21230770

>>21228418
ReimuA sucks and her satori spellcards are impossible for me. I've tried all the types and ReimuC is always the one I do the best with.

>>21228671
>For Parsee's midboss card
Already knew that one, plus she always drops a big P afterwards. That's why I bomb it.
>For the flower card you have the right idea
I got lucky on that run, the reason why I hate that card and it's a problem for me is because sometimes RNG makes a near-solid wall of flowers and you get fucked. Not much you can do then.
>For the clone card,
This was helpful advice but it's really fucking hard to make it work in practice.
>Final card
I intentionally time this card out because it's easier than dealing with it normally. Even with ReimuC I've tested it and it's not worth the stress of trying to keep your options aligned.

That you but I think all of this just prove why she's so ludicrous for a stage 2 boss. She is literally the only stage 2 boss in any game that I ever feel the need to bomb on.

>>21229109
>15 is still harder though
Newhus and oldhus are apples and oranges, ZUN wants you to play with infinite tries on the new ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 19:45:11 2019 No.21231049 >>21230770 Would this help you on the flower card? https://files.catbox.moe/sc5yrx.webm

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 19:49:46 2019 No.21231069 Does anyone have any strat for PDH on lunatic in LoLK ? I've been training it for a month but I still can't see shit and die on the 4th/5th blue wave everytime

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 20:10:39 2019 No.21231192 >>21231049 Never tried doing it that way, could help. Thanks anon. Still bugs me that literally all of parsee's cards require some stupid bullshit way around them though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 20:14:43 2019 No.21231212 the mechanics from EoSD,PCB, and IN are better than the other games

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 20:24:45 2019 No.21231269

>>21231069
There's no real strategy aside from read better and react faster, I don't think. You need to be very comfortable with using vertical/diagonal dodges and have to train yourself to see the blue bullets before they reach the middle. Also get the practice patch if you haven't so you can start the spell on the blue waves; saves a ridiculous amount of time when practicing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 20:49:51 2019 No.21231339 >>21228130 sounds sort of like some of the fairy music that never showed up in the games

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 20:50:12 2019 No.21231341 >>21231192 They're two streaming/restreaming spells plus a "look before you shoot" spell. It's really not that bad.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 21:00:09 2019 No.21231376 I did it bros, I beat Flandre. Now what.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 21:01:05 2019 No.21231378 >>21231376 Beat Yukari

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 21:03:26 2019 No.21231388 >>21231378 >Yukari Yikes! give me the superior Ran instead.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 21:14:02 2019 No.21231444 >>21231376 Clear with all shots or play hard mode if you like EoSD otherwise just move on to a game/extra you haven't cleared.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 23:42:27 2019 No.21232087 >>21228104 My MoF thcrap english patches causes desyncs

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 23:52:27 2019 No.21232112 >>21232087 What are you even doing with the patch, it doesn't desync for me Are you sure it's not just the desync bug that MoF just has internally

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 00:46:16 2019 No.21232286 >>21229225 no, always 8

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 00:56:52 2019 No.21232321

>>21232112
I'm sure it's patch. When I remove it, replays that are fucked play as they should. I know MoF has desync issue internally, but they are usually easy workaround for it, like choosing and earlier stage. But with the patches some of my Reimu playthroughs don't even advance to the next stage once the stage is over, It just shoots me back to replay select. My Marisa replays seem fine though (as long as I don't start on anything past stage 3 for both cases).

I haven't done anything out of the ordinary with regards to installation. I think its just the combination patch and the MoF bug causing this fuckery. It's annoying but that big of deal. I just need to play the vpatch.exe without the patch if i want to play all of my replays.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 00:59:43 2019 No.21232331 >>21232321 Please forgive my horrible grammar.

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 08:08:35 2019 No.21233604

Did someone ever remake touhou games for mobile devices? Wouldn't be profitable relaunching the game on a new widely spread platform akin to what Square Enix did with its older titles?
I was wondering how hard it would be to play this using a finger on a touchscreen or maybe using the gyroscope built in in the smartphone

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 08:26:12 2019 No.21233693 >>21230770 git gud

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 11:01:33 2019 No.21234303 Why do all of my SA replays desync? It keeps showing I die on Utsuho's first non-spell.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 12:18:09 2019 No.21234658 >>21234303 >>21203636 >>21204188

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 12:34:31 2019 No.21234732

I plan on grinding out a Touhou game and I'm wondering a few things;

1) Which game is recommended for beginners or should I just look at every game and choose one that seems to have the gimmicks/features I want?

2) How do I actually go about practicing the game? Do I start from stage 1 and go until I die, do I do each stage individually, do I credit feed, do I start on Easy or Normal? etc.h

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 12:39:33 2019 No.21234766

>>21234732
Your choice of EoSD/PCB/IN is probably the "easiest" place to start for a beginner, but you can start with whatever you want (avoid LoLK though, it's intentionally much harder than previous games). I'd recommend credit feeding until you get a normal, credit feeding clear, and then after that doing individual stage practice while also doing regular attempts at running the entire game. Start on normal, it's completely achievable for even someone who hasn't played much in the way of STGs before, and easy will probably do more harm than good in the long run.

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 12:41:22 2019 No.21234773

>>21234732
>1) Which game is recommended for beginners or should I just look at every game and choose one that seems to have the gimmicks/features I want?
IN and MoF are rather beginner-friendly. They have some gimmicks but it's easy to get a hold of them. The two play very differently though.
>2) How do I actually go about practicing the game? Do I start from stage 1 and go until I die, do I do each stage individually, do I credit feed, do I start on Easy or Normal? etc.h
You can do an Easy run to get a hang of the whole thing but it's shit. Try practicing on Normal until you manage to clear the final boss even if you use all continues. Then use stage practice mode to practice individually on specific stages until you git gud.

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 12:43:03 2019 No.21234783

>>21234732
There's a billion ways to go about it. If I had to pick it'd be to start with IN, don't touch the live/bomb count settings(keep it at default), play normal and credit feed until you get through the whole game, and use stage practice/spell practice to get better at specific parts you're struggling on then put it all together in a real run.

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:13:18 2019 No.21234907

>>21234732
You can start with any game if you don't think you'll get discouraged by some of the harder ones, otherwise the easier ones that you can clear relatively easily without needing to learn much about any specific gimmicks are LLS, MS, EoSD, PCB, IN, MoF and TD.

Play as far as you can with bomb spamming and continues, then use stage practice to memorize routes for the stages you've unlocked and learn the boss patterns. There's a useful practice tool called SpoilerAL for most of the games which lack a feature that lets you practice individual spell cards, and it'll make it a lot more convenient for learning specific patterns that give you problems. Some moron that lurks here will tell you that using it to practice is cheating, so feel free to ignore them if they show up.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:18:13 2019 No.21234925 Controller or keyboard?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:20:18 2019 No.21234929 >>21234925 Personal preference.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:22:48 2019 No.21234937 >>21234925 What anon said. You may want to check for input lag though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:38:35 2019 No.21234995 >>21234925 I prefer a controller, but it doesn't really matter.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:39:33 2019 No.21234999 >>21234925 keyboard

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:52:19 2019 No.21235037 In EoSD how do I know when POC will work? Sometimes I go up there and nothing happens

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:52:50 2019 No.21235038 >>21235037 You need to be at full power.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 13:58:44 2019 No.21235051 Any way to use d-pad on PS4 controller or change keyboard controls?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 14:17:47 2019 No.21235104 File: 70 KB, 651x411, too close to sanae.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21224671

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 14:40:44 2019 No.21235197 File: 564 KB, 641x481, rge.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Suika is cute.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 14:48:38 2019 No.21235239 >>21231212 EoSD and PCB are just so relaxing to play, maybe because they have next to no gimmicks or maybe because they're just easy, i'm not sure IN did a few things wrong like the deathbomb and I'm not a huge fan of the meter

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 14:52:53 2019 No.21235266 >>21235239 >eosd is relaxing How are meiling last two spells relaxing?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 14:59:49 2019 No.21235296 File: 77 KB, 585x600, 1554994078545.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21235239 PCB has the border thing though >EoSD >relaxing But Patchouli exists

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 15:00:17 2019 No.21235299 >>21235239 I can't control my character properly with analogue stick and i would prefer my left hand to move on keyboard

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 15:41:41 2019 No.21235441 >>21235299 Use programs like GlovePIE and Autohotkey to rebind the arrow keys, Z, X, Ctrl and Shift to whichever set up you want

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 15:53:12 2019 No.21235499 >>21235239 imo MoF is the most relaxing. Entire game before Kanako feel like a comfy picnic

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 16:18:26 2019 No.21235620 >>21235499 Aya is the hardest boss in MoF though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 16:19:33 2019 No.21235626 >>21235296 i never really got the beef with patchy, the only annoying part for me is when sakuya flinging knives with their horrible hitbox at random angles

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 16:19:49 2019 No.21235627 >>21235620 Git gud

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 16:29:35 2019 No.21235674

>>21235626
Bosses with lasers make me nervous, her standard non spell card attack was always a bummer for me because I would eventually run into her projectiles while trying to dodge the lasers. I'm also a Marisafag and her spell cards are more difficult than Reimu's.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 16:38:52 2019 No.21235718 >>21235627 What is this even meant to comment on? Aya has more patterns that are likely to kill an LNN than Kanako does. Regardless of how good you are this doesn't change.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 16:41:09 2019 No.21235726 >>21235718 Kanako's final card is pure cancer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 16:47:28 2019 No.21235759 >>21235726 PWG kills me more than VoWG does, honestly.

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 16:51:43 2019 No.21235776

>>21233604
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sorais.th1danmaku
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.sorais.bakastg
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aogami.TH01STG
The first two are just boss fights, the third is a seemingly full original game.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 16:57:57 2019 No.21235806 >>21235674 her nons are just positioning/misdirection and streaming. you can learn and settle on a method that makes them trivial, and it becomes even easier when you realize the laser hitbox disappears before the laser disappears.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 17:49:33 2019 No.21236023 File: 678 KB, 777x666, 1550647297294.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21235806 >the laser hitbox disappears before the laser disappears. Huh I never knew about that, thanks I'll try it out

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 18:04:02 2019 No.21236081

>>21227931
>as though my entire point was that SA was ludicrously difficult
No, yours was that SA was "horrible unbalanced garbage". Unless you equate difficulty and lack of balance, in which case you picked the wrong game genre. SA is a fair and straightforward game.

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 18:23:35 2019 No.21236172

>>21236081
It is unbalanced, though. The whole design philosophy of the Touhou games is to adjust the PCs power to the overall difficulty of the bullet patterns. In DDC and UFO, the patterns are extremely hard, but you get insanely powerful shot types, bombs, and extra resources to make up for it. In TD, the patterns are easy, but you get no extra lives. In the newhus, the patterns are lunatic-tier even on normal, but you get infinite lives. Etc. SA, on the other hand, has the weakest shot types(not even a true homing Reimu), the weakest bombs(MoF is arguably worse but half the SA ones deal less damage anyway), a mediocre amount of extra lives, and actually using bombs punishes you by reducing your power(again you can bring up MoF, but at least that game let you store another one and gave more P in general as well).

Going by that pattern, SA should have some relatively easy patterns, but it doesn't. Instead of cranking up the difficulty but giving you the means to deal with it, it just throws you to the wolves with nothing. It feels like shit to play it because you're so weak and have to deal with so much. It's badly designed and less fun to play than other touhou games as a result, unless you're an LNB autist who doesn't give a shit about anything like that anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 18:46:47 2019 No.21236297 >>21236172 you can't even 1cc normal lmao

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 19:03:49 2019 No.21236380 >>21236172 This, SA is garbage. SAwankers are worse than UFOhaters.

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 19:06:09 2019 No.21236396

>>21236172
>In DDC and UFO, the patterns are extremely hard, but you get insanely powerful shot types, bombs, and extra resources to make up for it
So your idea of "balance" is having hard patterns that you can just cheese through by deploying resources?
>In TD, the patterns are easy, but you get no extra lives.
PCB has easy patterns and literally gives you free autobombs, now what? IN isn't much different either.
>In the newhus, you get infinite lives.
Are you talking about Pointdevice mode? That's only in LoLK and Legacy is the one that matters anyway.
>a mediocre amount of extra lives
Because you have to actually earn them here, instead of having them handed to you for free.
>at least that game let you store another one and gave more P in general as well).
Allowing you to easily bombspam the whole game with little to no repercussion isn't a positive thing.
>the means to deal with it
This is what happens when you rely too much on resources instead of focusing on your own self-improvement.

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 19:09:10 2019 No.21236407

>>21236172
>SA, on the other hand, has the weakest shot types(not even a true homing Reimu)
I agree with this. Marisa A/B were cute but the only type I enjoyed using was Reimu A.
>Going by that pattern, SA should have some relatively easy patterns, but it doesn't.
It's been a very long time since I last played but didn't SA have some exploitable patterns, like Orin's noncards or Satori's Yukari spellcard?

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 19:11:06 2019 No.21236415

>>21236172
In what world are DDC or HSiFS patterns hard?
>SA [...] has the weakest shot types
ReimuA tears shit up with the best of them.
>the weakest bombs
Someone post that one ReimuC replay.
>a mediocre amount of extra lives
A perfect clear gives like, what, 12(2+10 extra)? So even if you die exclusively on boss patterns you're guaranteed like 2+8. That's plenty. You just have to pace yourself and not lose all of them at once.
>using bombs punishes you
It's still replenishable though, and lets you bomb a lot of stage sections for free if you know what drops power items.
If anything, SA is more memorization heavy than other ones when you're new, but once you know what's coming it gets real easy because the execution required isn't actually that tough.

Anonymous Thu Apr 25 19:11:38 2019 No.21236419

>>21236172
>the weakest bombs(MoF is arguably worse
What the fuck are you smoking? MoF bombs are some of the strongest out of all the games. They can be used almost anywhere on the screen and still kill most spell cards. Aya and Alice have good bombs in SA too. The fact someone cleared lunatic by bomb spamming every stage and boss then suiciding repeatedly with Aya is a testament to how good hers is.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 23:12:50 2019 No.21237552 >>21236172 Feel free to stop playing if you hate it so much.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 23:22:24 2019 No.21237578 >>21236172 SA normal is easy as shit aside from Orin. The only difference is that stage 1 and 2 are as difficult as your average stage 3, that's all. Satorin is one of the easiest stage 4 bosses on normal.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 02:20:20 2019 No.21238256 Does anybody have a template where I can track my progress with games?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 04:13:31 2019 No.21238611 File: 126 KB, 640x480, 1u.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I fucking hate win 10 sometimes

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 04:42:13 2019 No.21238694 >>21222593 Ultra mode?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 11:28:18 2019 No.21240041 >>21238694 Nah. Timer freeze and wait 2-3 minutes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 12:02:12 2019 No.21240208 Im having trouble with the Sisters in Stage 4 (Sakuya A, normal), espescially the first two nonspells. I've tried going from the right to the left slowly but I usually get cornered with the bigger laser and the two missiles.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 13:35:53 2019 No.21240609 >>21240208 Merlin first non is static so you can memorize where to stand, second one is aimed at your position so you can just tap twice after each wave to dodge it.

Anonymous Fri Apr 26 14:00:48 2019 No.21240678

I finally got to LoLK and I'm absolutely hating it.
Everything just feels like a brainless vomit of danmaku on my screen. There's shit like Dream Catcher which looks really cool and is pretty fun and then there's just the entire Sagume fight.
Obviously I haven't gotten to Clownpiece yet but I'm not even sure if I want to bother with the game anymore. Is there any difference in Legacy mode besides life mechanics?

Anonymous Fri Apr 26 14:23:37 2019 No.21240770

>>21240678
Sagume is the easiest boss so if she's giving you hell then you'll probably regret even attempting Clownpiece or Junko. The game is better balanced around Legacy since you can get life pieces after only three chapters instead of the awful five chapters per bomb piece in PD. If you don't already like the game, your opinion isn't likely going to change from playing Legacy though.

Anonymous Fri Apr 26 14:57:54 2019 No.21240942

>>21240770
I was fine with Sagume until her second to last spell card killed me like 50 times but my point was more that the fights are visually underwhelming besides just slamming a bunch of shit on the screen.
I really want to like the game so I'm gonna keep trying a bit but I'm not very hopeful. I'll do some easy Legacy runs tomorrow but I don't see how I can get through the game without bombing every 5 seconds.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 15:04:35 2019 No.21240976 >>21240942 You haven't seen anything yet. Clownpiece is going to break your soul.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 15:16:48 2019 No.21241055 File: 2.08 MB, 960x720, sag.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21240942 >second to last spell card Let me rub some salt on that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 15:19:51 2019 No.21241070 >>21238256 Google 1cc chart.

Anonymous Fri Apr 26 15:40:05 2019 No.21241169

>>21240942
It may just be a case of needing to level up your dodging and reading abilities through playing a lot more. I struggled a lot with my initial pointdevice clear since I only had a single 1cc under my belt, so it took me something like 1.3K deaths to no bomb the entirety of it with Sanae on Normal mode. When I eventually returned to do the other shot types after having cleared all of StB and DS, I was able to do it in like a third of that just from natural improvement through playing more.

Anonymous Fri Apr 26 15:49:11 2019 No.21241212

>>21241055
I'm confused since I tried that exact thing a few times and it never worked. Of course I went to try it only to find out the game doesn't have spell practice.
Contrary to what you might believe, I'm not upset or anything. More disappointed than anything.

>>21241169
My problems with the game stem less from it being hard and more from its general design. I definitely haven't written the game off forever but unfortunately the photo games won't help me since I don't particularly enjoy those either.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 15:51:08 2019 No.21241217 LLS, PCB and UFO are the best games from their respective generations.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 15:51:51 2019 No.21241222 >>21241217 based on my personal preferences

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 15:52:37 2019 No.21241225 >>21241217 >LLS, PCB Funny way to spell MS and IN

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 16:28:29 2019 No.21241431 >>21241217 I hate UFOs.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:00:37 2019 No.21241572 >To view the good endings, finish the game on any difficulty without continuing once. How is that even possible?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:01:53 2019 No.21241576 File: 39 KB, 534x486, 1556312513113.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21241572

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:08:10 2019 No.21241600 >>21241572 Just don’t touch the bullets lmao

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:08:48 2019 No.21241603 >>21241572 You press X

Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:08:54 2019 No.21241606

>>21241572
use a bomb when you get hit to not lose a life, or if you think you're going to get hit
collect the items which drop after destroying an enemy to power up your shots
get close to bullets without hitting them for bonus points
hold shift for focused movement
etc

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:12:36 2019 No.21241622 >>21241572 just use the Marisa B exploit dude

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:35:30 2019 No.21241719 >>21241217 Well, what about the current DDC-LoLK-HSiFS generation? Or are we waiting until WBaWC for that one?

Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:39:02 2019 No.21241742

>>21241576
>>21241600
>>21241603
Alright I made to the level 5 boss without losing a life on normal, i am getting better. how much restarts till I beat it without losing and not settling for the pink haired bitch from getting nuked by the traitorous yingyang ball? and then move on to the makai route

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 18:03:32 2019 No.21241854 >>21241742 What a twist.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 04:05:01 2019 No.21244979 >>21241854 omg

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 08:36:43 2019 No.21246068 I beat hard with all Reimu shot types, can I try lunatic now?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 08:54:27 2019 No.21246132 File: 62 KB, 407x314, 1555306791935.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21246068 If you're comfortable with her shot types then go ahead

Anonymous Sat Apr 27 20:52:13 2019 No.21249324
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I resolved to complete this chart by the end of September, so far this is my progress.
Right now Im learning UFO LNB while I do HSiFS and IN 1cc runs, whats on your plate anons?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 20:56:56 2019 No.21249346 >>21249324 You're learning UFO LNB without 1ccing it first?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 00:17:16 2019 No.21250352 >>21249346 I will most likely 1cc it along the way

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 09:20:29 2019 No.21252571 Does anyone happen to know of a ressouce/guide to make your own SpoilerAG SSGs? There's some precise stage segments on HSiFS I want to grind.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:41:48 2019 No.21253500
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how to beat touhou:
>ask yourself, "could I 1cc anything today"
>experience the long, deep emotional turmoil of this question for weeks. Months
>finally develop the self-love to admit "no I totally as shit couldnt"
>do something else
Congratulations. You've finally won

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 20:39:20 2019 No.21255934

>>21249324
How do you manage to stay motivated for full shot clears on all difficulties? I tried it with EoSD and found myself getting a bit fed up having to repeatedly re-learn the game with Marisa once I had managed a Hard and Lunatic clear with Reimu.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 20:46:56 2019 No.21255961 >>21255934 You don't have to do it if you like Reimu more than Marisa.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 20:55:10 2019 No.21255999 >>21255961 I know but I feel that being adept at playing all of the characters can help for branching into other shoot em ups since not every game is going to have a character that moves exactly how I'm used to Reimu controlling.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 21:09:38 2019 No.21256063
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>>21255934
For EoSD and PCB I learned LNB first, then made some 1cc runs with the other shots for when LNB runs weren't getting me anywhere.
This worked for those 2 games because the shots are balanced, but I don't see it working for some of the games I have yet to do.
That said, having to learn different shot specific stuff is fun depending on the game. That's the point of these charts other than tracking your progress I believe, extra motivation to learn and enjoy stuff that otherwise you would not.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 21:17:23 2019 No.21256095 >>21249324 Good luck Yuyukoanon. There's some hard boxes to tick there (IN Alice, UFO MarisaB, DDC SakuyaB, and ISC no items were the hardest for me) but if you can grind out a UFO LNB you should be able to handle it.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 21:25:33 2019 No.21256139
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>>21256095
Oh god I forgot about ISC. I guess it will come down to how long 10-4 and 10-7 take, and whatever I had left.
Ty for the good luck anon, I awake of the danger spots, I'm expecting th IN stuff to be a bit easier though. UFo mB and DDC sB are definitively gonna be the hardest stuff here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 21:27:45 2019 No.21256149 >>21256063 Thanks for the insight. I may have been concerning myself too much with wanting to have a game completed instead of just letting it happen when it happens and enjoying the experience to get to that point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 01:04:00 2019 No.21257406 How do I change the window size of Len'en games?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 02:29:30 2019 No.21257661 Nightmare Tuesday scene 6 Nightmare Wednesday scene 5 Nightmare Thursday scene 1 and 3 Nightmare Friday scene 2 and 5 Nightmare Saturday scene 3 This is what I have left to do in VD to complete it. Any advice?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 06:42:57 2019 No.21258282 File: 261 KB, 600x600, 1442875548191.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21253500 fuck you weakling I will 1cc all of them, I wont move on to the next game until I 1cc at least once.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 08:01:43 2019 No.21258469 >>21257661 Do you have a strategy for them at all? If you don't, go watch a youtube video and learn one. If you do, practice it until you get it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 09:35:11 2019 No.21258735 >>21258469 Is there actually any strategy available for the Kaguya/Tenshi one? It's pure RNG crap.

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 10:13:22 2019 No.21258850

>>21258735
Immediately charge up and take a photo at the very beginning for some free damage, then just bottomhug until Kaguya dies (focus on dodging Kaguya's bullets while letting your autobomb save you from occasionally running into Tenshi's bullets) then rush down Tenshi. On safe waves you can do some more photo damage too (try to catch the falling rocks in the photo to get a free wave).

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 12:04:46 2019 No.21259246 >>21258735 autobombs saved my ass twice on the try I beat it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 20:56:34 2019 No.21261170 I fucking hate Mystia.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 20:57:29 2019 No.21261174 >>21261170 Get tunnel vision

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 21:33:24 2019 No.21261308 >>21261174 how will this help with her last nonspell

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 21:53:42 2019 No.21261375 >>21224009 LLS was 1st try tier easy. MS is still bullshit level and I just beat SA.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 21:56:49 2019 No.21261392 >>21227931 lmao beat Stage 6 the first time I ever got there on a good run

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 21:57:54 2019 No.21261401 >>21253500 or fuck the self love and launch yourself at it every day until success (also use photography games to train)

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 23:21:58 2019 No.21261726 >>21222593 >primaries thread REEEE fucking primaries get off my board!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 23:35:01 2019 No.21261781 >>21261726 n-no!

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 23:36:26 2019 No.21261789 >>21261726 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 23:39:35 2019 No.21261799 >>21261726 I'm a zeroary

Anonymous Mon Apr 29 23:58:44 2019 No.21261858
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>>21261726
>tfw have multiple 1ccs in various difficulties, none of which are Easy
>tfw caught up all with all the manga and books
>tfw excited for WBaWC
>tfw secondaries will never know this feeling

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 00:05:16 2019 No.21261877 >>21261858 >he actually reads books and not hentai doujins.

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 00:48:13 2019 No.21261976

>>21261308
Isn't that the one where she shoots a ton of familiars? If you don't understand how those work Keine is going to school you.
They can only be destroyed by human (unfocused) shots. Do remember killing whatever spawns them kills them all at once, so sometimes it's better to stay focused.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 00:56:23 2019 No.21261991 >>21261858 Aya's Marisa is so cute

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 01:10:13 2019 No.21262016 >>21261799 in that case please make tenshi playable in your next game

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 01:55:08 2019 No.21262115

>>21261308
Something that seems to help me is to lead Mystia to finish Moth Dance on the right side of the screen. From there, dodging the green bullets seems easier. Might just be my imagination though... I'll try and get a webm of it.
In any case, shoot down as many familiars as possible.

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 02:13:37 2019 No.21262166

>>21261976
I understand how it works. But you can't kill enough familiars with Reimu to completely remove the danger. I'm talking about lunatic.

>>21262115
Yeah I do the same for green stuff. It's usually not that much of a problem, I mostly get killed by blue shit.

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 02:20:21 2019 No.21262185

>>21262166
>Yeah I do the same for green stuff
Oh shit, maybe I'm not imagining things then.
As for the blue shit, I don't have much of a tip. Reimu's pretty bad at destroying them. Don't try to move and spread your shots out to the whole cone too much because that obviously won't do enough damage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 04:44:23 2019 No.21262516 >>21261726 >>21261858 >>21261877 Who are you quoting?

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 17:18:24 2019 No.21265665

>>21262115
>>21262166
I don't know if you're that anon, but someone else claimed that in previous thread and I too think that's right, but after the first wave it's probably worth bombing anyway. Remaining Mystia's spells are very easy and you get two more bombs before Keine gets serious.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 18:45:12 2019 No.21266095 File: 2.92 MB, 386x448, out.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21265665 Chances are I am the same guy. This moment's definitely worth a bomb, Moth Dance too, but maybe anon's going for a no-bomb.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:27:09 2019 No.21266348 File: 270 KB, 997x753, TOUHOU 6 1CC.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finally. Now I can play PCB without regrets!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:30:50 2019 No.21266369 >>21253500 You can do it, anon. I started in february and look...>>21266348

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:35:16 2019 No.21266390 >>21266348 Yikes that non-integer nearest neighbour scaling is fucking disgusting. What are you even doing anon? Jesus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 19:48:00 2019 No.21266460 >>21266390 MS paint crop function.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 20:30:05 2019 No.21266604 th17 demo soon guys! Get excited!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 20:53:54 2019 No.21266690 >>21266604 Okay. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA FINALLY SOME NEWHUS AND SOME NEW MUSIC AAAAAAAAAA Man this is tiring. Do I have to keep getting excited?

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 20:58:12 2019 No.21266704
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>>21266604
I'm ready, anon. Glad my girl Youmu is playable but I'm still waiting warmly for my one and only 2hu to be playable in a main game. It's never going to happen, I know.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 21:07:29 2019 No.21266738 >>21266690 Yes it is mandated by ZUN

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 21:08:47 2019 No.21266742 File: 395 KB, 648x540, 1555637405158.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21266690 It's part of the experience

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 21:12:52 2019 No.21266762 File: 91 KB, 600x446, 1551101540105.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21266690 Don't forget the h-doujins of the newhus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 21:26:38 2019 No.21266807 >>21266762 So hentai is now more important than the game themselves? Good!

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 22:43:18 2019 No.21267119 File: 434 KB, 640x480, th013.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21266704 Anything can happen. Did you try Mystical Power Plant? >>21266762 I have yet to see good Aunn stuff.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 22:49:09 2019 No.21267146 File: 117 KB, 216x448, Th16Aunn.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21266762 I thought of mentioning them but seeing as how Aunn has almost nothing after all this time... Well, I still hope the TH17hus have better luck there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 23:40:23 2019 No.21267320 >>21266604 One of my favorite times of the year! The suspense of waiting to see who the new characters will be, what the shot types will play like and new hopefully exciting patterns to dodge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 23:41:19 2019 No.21267330 >>21266604 Time to see nothing but this on the touhou directory in twitch yay

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 23:51:30 2019 No.21267368 >>21266348 congrats the first 1CC on a difficulty always feels great

Anonymous Wed May 1 00:52:39 2019 No.21267602
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Jesus christ I am so close

Is there any strategies for the wave she shoots out before the Master Spark during that attack? I swear when she shoots out that wave of blue all I can do is bomb or pray.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 02:45:57 2019 No.21268154 >>21267330 Don't worry, I'm sure there's gonna be at least one EoSD stream as well!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 03:23:28 2019 No.21268237 >>21267602 It's static relative to her position. You want to stay aligned with her vertically and quickly wiggle around the one bullet coming straight down the middle.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 03:30:10 2019 No.21268258 >>21268237 the way the bullet is designed I can barely tell how i'm supposed to wiggle. Guessing the one you're talking about is the one she shoots relative to her position? Is it one pattern only, or does she choose from a set of them?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 03:48:01 2019 No.21268306 >>21268258 It's just one pattern. You should group those twin bullets as one in your head since they are just one. As it gets close you zig just to the left of it and zag right back to the middle. It's pretty tight but consistently doable.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 04:10:38 2019 No.21268372 >>21240678 play raisin

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 06:40:51 2019 No.21268788 >>21268306 Not him, but I've been able to dodge this without wiggling in the past by fitting in a gap. Perhaps there's that option as well, but we might need to test this some times.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 06:46:14 2019 No.21268797 I'm having a really bad time with Yuyuko's red butterflies in her last spell. Is there a consistent way to do it? The Youmo and Yuyuko fights made me dislike the characters.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 06:53:13 2019 No.21268823 >>21268797 There's no trick to resurrection butterfly, just practice it for a while to get comfortable with reading red waves. Though some people find it easier to dodge higher on the screen, maybe you're one of them.

Anonymous Wed May 1 06:54:55 2019 No.21268827

>>21268788
I think the question there is whether it's lenient enough of a gap that it's safer trying to position than to wiggle, especially if she goes low on the screen.

>>21268797
One strat particularly on Lunatic is to scooch yourself way up so that you're getting past the ring of red butterflies before it even expands. Obviously this comes with its own set of problems.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 07:13:54 2019 No.21268875 File: 390 KB, 1024x723, 1534407599914.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21268797 Youmu is fun. She's such a nice girl she forces slow motion mode so you can dodge her shit easily.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 07:48:53 2019 No.21268983 >>21268875 Yes, only to drink you in her last spell. She is rude.

Anonymous Wed May 1 11:33:19 2019 No.21269874

>>21268797
For me I had an easier time by trying to focus very, very low on the screen, just looking at the bullets that are directly in front of you since the next bullet to dodge is always going to be visible right ahead of you. When you try to look at the general "trajectory" of the line of butterflies you'll die, but if you focus on them one at a time it's easier. I didn't get super consistent at it but I felt like getting that kind of tunnel vision for it was helpful. Hope that's clear, it's hard to explain in words. Like >>21268827 said there's also the high-on-screen strat but I never was very good at it (though I only played on Normal).

On the topic of end spells that suck, trying to 1cc Magic Team in IN is pure pain. I keep dying on the last spell every time (that is, when I don't or resett over stupid deaths on Keine's stage). If we're talking about disliking characters because of how they are in the game I'm starting to get pretty annoyed by Alice's complete abortion of a shot type.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 11:50:19 2019 No.21270196 >>21269874 I honestly think the Scarlet team is even worse. Sakuya is weak as fuck and Remilia is just annoying to play.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 12:42:22 2019 No.21270420 File: 71 KB, 530x360, Yuyuko (533).jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21268797 >The Youmo and Yuyuko fights made me dislike the characters. That won't do anon, prepare to hate the entire SA, UFO and LoLK casts then

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:11:03 2019 No.21270968 File: 20 KB, 346x245, Master Spark.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I only play as Marisa in all the games.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:13:23 2019 No.21270978 File: 60 KB, 604x453, 1397485117696.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21270968 I never played Marisa in any game.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 15:49:01 2019 No.21271100 >>21270968 >>21270978 me too

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 16:10:29 2019 No.21271191 File: 260 KB, 578x224, Th12ShotTypeMarisaB.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The last time I played as Marisa it was horrible.

Anonymous Wed May 1 17:32:30 2019 No.21271505

Had been watching Sunday's Reitaisai booth's stream at Nico Chokaigi to kill some time, where they'd been running a marathon of all mainline games played by random volunteers.
Even if on Easy mode, it was nice to see JCs and JKs having a go at the games. Seeing young people in general being enthusiastic about the games makes me hopeful about Touhou's future.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:23:54 2019 No.21271743 >>21271505 That sounds nice, where were you watching it?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 18:56:56 2019 No.21271872 >>21271743 Timeshifted stream on niconico. I swear the hosts were talking about archiving the stream somewhere but I'm not sure.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 19:23:02 2019 No.21271994 File: 1.93 MB, 160x219, 1478887248583.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I need some encouragement lads. I'm so fucking close to 1ccing my first Touhou game.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 19:46:37 2019 No.21272089 File: 597 KB, 700x955, 1553390329911.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21271505 Don't they sell h-doujins at Reitaisai? Kids go to the event too?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 19:48:59 2019 No.21272103 >>21271994 Only allow yourself now to fap to pics/doujins of the characters from that game if you 1CC it.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 19:50:08 2019 No.21272114 >>21272089 Never been to Japan? Almost every manga store has H doujins

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 19:52:57 2019 No.21272123 >>21272114 >Never been to Japan? No. >Almost every manga store has H doujins I know that but an event is way more open, right? Just imagining how it works.

Anonymous Wed May 1 20:58:42 2019 No.21272392

>>21272089
Kids go to these events all the time, be it Comiket or Reitaisai. I remember one of the (teenaged) players in the stream even talking about a Wriggle x Mystia doujin he was planning to put out this Reitaisai.
A bit unrelated, but there was this middle-aged Hifuu ND let's player too, reminiscing in his video about a JC he spotted in line to buy ND last Comiket, with a bright smile on her face when she came out with the game disk in her hands.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 21:14:30 2019 No.21272438 >>21272392 I know no company has courage to fight against Comiket despite the copyright infringements and yadayada, but it seems weird to allow stuff like that happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 21:16:17 2019 No.21272444 >>21272438 Stop being such an American for just a minute.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 21:18:31 2019 No.21272453 >>21272444 I know selling doujins have another line of logic for japanese people, but allowing kids to buy this stuff should be illegal anywhere.

Anonymous Wed May 1 21:42:42 2019 No.21272535

>>21272438
Not sure about Reitaisai but adult stuff forms just a small fraction of Comiket. Pretty sure those R18 warnings on lewd doujins aren't just for show, and I believe that the event management works hard to protect young eyes from being tainted.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 21:48:18 2019 No.21272560 >>21272453 I said stop. You're shitposting the gameplay thread with your shitty gaijin outrage.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 00:40:13 2019 No.21273140 >>21271191 MarisaA is a good shot though.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 01:47:25 2019 No.21273320 >>21273140 Give me one reason I should play with this "MarisaA" instead of one of the homing shots

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 01:51:14 2019 No.21273332 >>21273320 Because outside of DDC and IN border team homing shots are always inferior.

Anonymous Thu May 2 02:30:23 2019 No.21273440

>>21273320
I didn't outright tell you to use her, I said MarisaA is good because you figured Marisa was bad. No, MarisaB is just the worst shot type in UFO.
MarisaA's damage output is very good and her lasers pierce, allowing you to plow through enemies and also hit spawned UFOs without worrying about fodder shielding it. Meanwhile the homing types are kind of unremarkable in UFO because their damage output is low, where they end up homing can be opposed to what you want to hit. It can become very difficult to kill UFOs when your shots keep homing on random fairies.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 02:34:48 2019 No.21273452 >>21273440 Also I just realized you might have misinterpreted what I said to mean the one you pictured was MarisaA. That's MarisaB. MarisaA is the piercing laser shot type.

Anonymous Thu May 2 03:33:58 2019 No.21273603 [SPOILER]

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somehow managed to die three times to sakuya s5 midboss. without those and with only two deaths to her third non+kd, would have had the mb lnb.
i'm used to derping but this was strong.

>>21268983
read that as "dunk you"

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 09:48:13 2019 No.21274754 File: 1.24 MB, 600x720, lmao.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ok lunasa

Anonymous Thu May 2 10:18:52 2019 No.21274879

always enjoyed the series but finally decided to focus and try to clear one.
I've been trying Mountain of Faith, Ten Desires, and sometimes Imperishable Night.
I hear Ten Desires is easiest for beginners but MoF is so fun to play so I might try to 1cc that one first. I can get up to Aya on medium before dying.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 10:26:41 2019 No.21274924 >>21274879 Good luck!

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 10:44:46 2019 No.21275023 >>21274879 TD has easy patterns but is stingy with resources so you can screw up fewer times. MoF is a good starter since the patterns aren't too overwhelming except for the final one and it has really strong bombs and gives plenty of lives.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 10:55:20 2019 No.21275066 >>21275023 Okay, I will probably stick with MoF then. >>21274924 Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 13:48:33 2019 No.21275795 File: 1.17 MB, 640x400, marisa_true_combo_mute.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21274754 Reminds me of LLS Marisa just resetting the timer on which her patterns are thrown out of the blue.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 14:00:10 2019 No.21275842 File: 2.90 MB, 640x400, marisa_dumb_pattern.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21275795 While I'm at it, screw LLS Marisa.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 14:09:53 2019 No.21275878 >>21269874 Are you using malice cannon anon, that makes the shottype very competent by giving you the highest damage input in the game plus completely obliterating familiars

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 14:49:16 2019 No.21276019 >>21275795 >>21275842 How are you supposed to dodge this shit?

Anonymous Thu May 2 15:03:18 2019 No.21276102

>>21276019
The first webm is dodgeable in a vacuum, but it's the first time I had this happen to me so I just ate it. If I had to guess, it looks like the pattern preceding the one that killed me is bugged in such a way that killing the last magic ball during it triggers the next pattern immediately ; and of course, the next pattern in line had to be the fastest one when this happened.
Now for the second webm, I've got absolutely no clue. Reimu is just too slow to be completely in the clear if Marisa happens to be too close. Like, the only thing I can imagine would that the pattern is actually such that none of the bullets are aimed straight at you and that you're not supposed to move, but I hope it's not that dumb.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 16:05:06 2019 No.21276355 >>21234925 Is it just my controller, or is moving with the keyboard more precise?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 16:10:32 2019 No.21276393 So I'm trying to play LoLK but for some reason there's this big white bar covering a bit of the left of the screen. I can still move into it, enemies and bullets still spawn there only I can't see them. how do I fix this?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 16:11:40 2019 No.21276399 File: 873 KB, 575x671, th15_3ip0VyEd5J.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21276393 screenshot of what I'm talking about

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 16:12:42 2019 No.21276402 >>21276399 >>21276393 wow no idea why I said left, it's on the right actually.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 16:49:05 2019 No.21276526 How do I stop mindlessly running into the single bullet on the screen, losing 3 bombs? This is costing me more lives than the actual hard parts

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 16:53:23 2019 No.21276545 >>21276526 What are you even trying to accomplish

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 20:26:01 2019 No.21277638 >>21276393 >>21276399 Are you running in wine or something? Might be a wine issue (though it runs fine in wine for me).

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 01:56:05 2019 No.21278861 I finished SA but i'm too lazy to start on UFO.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 03:05:01 2019 No.21279154 >>21274754 nice save

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 04:11:51 2019 No.21279360 >>21276355 Keyboard is more precise, but not so much that you can't use a controller if you prefer it.

Anonymous Fri May 3 05:59:29 2019 No.21279652

Any tips for Utsuho's first spell card? Can't even skip it with a couple MarisaB bombs since it has a billion health. I assume there's some way to lead the big bullets around so that you don't get walled off by the blue bullets, but I can't figure it out.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 06:21:19 2019 No.21279729 >>21279652 On normal? Just stay at the bottom and dodge normally, the hitbox of the suns is way smaller than it seems so you can literally be inside one and not take damage.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 06:33:07 2019 No.21279757 >>21279729 Sorry, lunatic. Although I learned that two bombs does work if I just sit on her with earth shot active. Not the prettiest way to win, but I'll be back to full power by the time she starts using difficult stuff again.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 06:35:07 2019 No.21279761 File: 765 KB, 759x600, keyboards.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21234925 keyboard with rubber dome switches to be precise

Anonymous Fri May 3 06:59:29 2019 No.21279815

>>21279652
Remember your position when you hear the sound of the suns spawning: one big sun is aimed at you and the rest spawn in other directions at constant intervals. You don't necessarily need to rush to dodge the first suns in order to avoid the second release. I'd say you need to pay more attention to the blue bullets than anything else and to dodge diagonally.
That said, it's a very difficult card on a very tight timer and you will more often than not be unable to capture it and be forced to time it out.

Anonymous Fri May 3 07:49:52 2019 No.21279946

>>21279757
You basically want to alternate between staying in the same general spot and making a break for the gap. You hear the charging sound, sun, pause, another sun, then bullets. You want to aim the two suns at the same place then move when the bullets are being fired. You should be able to more or less alternate spots.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 08:02:25 2019 No.21279992 >>21277638 nope, I'm on windows 7

Anonymous Fri May 3 08:16:27 2019 No.21280064
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>>21279815
>>21279946
Thanks, but knowing I could bomb that garbage was all I needed.

Time to move onto UFO. I'm going to miss the MoF/SA bomb system that lets me just disregard all challenge in the game.

Anonymous Fri May 3 10:58:28 2019 No.21280791
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Hello my friends. I would like to ask how many bullets you think there are on screen in an average boss battle in touhou

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 11:01:29 2019 No.21280809 File: 526 KB, 608x451, 1532700871584.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21280791 too much

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 11:02:39 2019 No.21280816 >>21279992 Are you a point device save from a older game version or different resolution? Using a save from a different resolution fucked my screen once.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 11:03:52 2019 No.21280821 >>21280791 each game has a max amount of bullets so ill go with that number

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 11:16:44 2019 No.21280888 >>21280809 Are you having trouble with this card? It's probably one of Mokou's easiest, I almost never fail it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 12:26:38 2019 No.21281230 >>21280791 It varies wildly, but i'd say it never really gets higher than 2000 or so with the average card being a few hundred

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 12:38:53 2019 No.21281275 >>21280809 Look it on YouTube. Its just directing the phoenix your own way. Nothing compared to Fujiyama volcano

Anonymous Fri May 3 13:50:03 2019 No.21281600
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>>21280888
>>21281275
Seems that I'm doing better now, navigating through all the red projectiles to dodge the birbs is painful at times though.
I wanted to share my replay to show but catbox isn't working.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 14:02:08 2019 No.21281653 >>21279761 I don't get it, source me that Yuyuko so I can understand anon

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 14:24:45 2019 No.21281765 >>21280816 I started a new save and it was like that from the beginning, the screenshot was only on stage 4 because that's around the point it started causing enough of an issue for me to post about it.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 17:55:42 2019 No.21282650 Almost close to finishing Marisa Solo, only Mokou is left. Is it true that most players find Marisa/Eirin harder than Reimu/Kaguya? If so why?

Anonymous Fri May 3 18:54:23 2019 No.21282959

>>21281600
There is literally no need to go through the red trail. Start in either the lower left or right corner of the screen, wait for the phoenix to spawn, then move just enough to dodge it. Wait for the next one and then move just enough to dodge again. Then wait for the wave and move again, you should be on the other side of the screen. Then repeat in the other direction. It's easy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 18:56:41 2019 No.21282973 Th17 demo very soon

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 19:02:12 2019 No.21283000 File: 128 KB, 800x800, __hijiri_byakuren_and_motoori_kosuzu_touhou_drawn_by_ayano_ayn398__59d3b10cde069ba2a4d80da47ddcf1f5.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21282973 I'm excited. Where my Youmubros at?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 19:09:53 2019 No.21283031 >>21282973 It's coming out tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 19:17:04 2019 No.21283062 >>21283031 It's supposed to be out on Sunday. Unless you're talking from 'murrican time, there are better chances to get the game on Sunday morning.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 19:18:04 2019 No.21283066 >>21283062 It's barely Saturday morning in Japan right now. It's coming out tomorrow.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 19:19:26 2019 No.21283078 >>21283066 Ah right, it's already so late here. Need some sleep.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 19:31:29 2019 No.21283134 UFO's final stage is a fucking horrible slog to go through and makes trying to practice Byakuren a massive pain in the ass.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 19:43:46 2019 No.21283189 >>21283134 UFO is a massive slog to go through and makes practise entirely painful I still haven't cleared UFO because the second I die I lose all motivation to even try and clear it

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 20:04:33 2019 No.21283275 >>21283134 >>21283189 >I am a fucking casual and anything harder than LLS is too much for my baby ass.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 20:07:51 2019 No.21283294 >>21283134 It's literally just space invaders. If you're unironically having trouble with it then you're no where near close to 1ccing.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 20:23:54 2019 No.21283364 >>21283134 Use one of the four or five practice patches that you can easily find through google which let you start at the boss then

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 20:26:08 2019 No.21283373 >>21283294 not him but it's a slog because it takes ages with no real risk besides the miniboss, and half of the UFOs that spawn are locked to blue

Anonymous Fri May 3 21:20:51 2019 No.21283622

>>21282650
>Is it true that most players find Marisa/Eirin harder than Reimu/Kaguya? If so why?
I have never seen this, most players agree that Reimu and Kaguya are harder on lunatic.
>>21281600
You can use this http://replay.lunarcast.net/index.php
>>21283275
UFO only has 1 good thing and thats the UFO system, everything else is garbage.

Anonymous Fri May 3 21:36:09 2019 No.21283665
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>>21283622
>UFO only has 1 good thing and thats the UFO system, everything else is garbage.
End yourself. UFO was and still is kino. Except for Marisa B.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 21:42:04 2019 No.21283681 >>21283275 who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 21:45:45 2019 No.21283696 >>21283275 wayq?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 21:47:36 2019 No.21283701 >>21270968 holy based on redpills

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 21:58:12 2019 No.21283751 >>21283622 >everything else is garbage. Like?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 22:10:21 2019 No.21283802 >>21283364 That's cheating.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 22:25:58 2019 No.21283887 >>21283751 Patterns in general, music, half the cast, shottype balance, power system (this in particular ruins the game)

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 22:33:48 2019 No.21283913 IN WOULD BE MY FAV GAME IN THE SERIES IF IT WEREN'T FOR THIS FUCKING TIME SYSTEM LET ME REACH THE FINAL STAGE ALREADY FUCK

Anonymous Fri May 3 22:43:22 2019 No.21283945
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>>21283887
>music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lmy6rcn_v3A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeTleYgxvjA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aca3f9OYcXs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pH4sZw0Hkg

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 22:51:31 2019 No.21283988 >>21283945 Wow only 4 themes? damn impressive OST anon Actually only 3, since Fires of Hokkai is absolute overrated garbage.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 22:55:56 2019 No.21284016 >>21283988 You wanted me to link you the entire soundtrack? I was just picking out the absolute best out of an already great OST. If you think that's shit how about you show me what Touhou soundtrack you actually think is good. Please enlighten me.

Anonymous Fri May 3 22:59:09 2019 No.21284029
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>>21283913
>IN WOULD BE MY FAV GAME IN THE SERIES
>>21283988
>Fires of Hokkai is absolute overrated garbage
Whose brilliant idea was it to put Shit Taste Hour so close to the release of the new game's demo

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 23:15:00 2019 No.21284115 File: 141 KB, 411x282, 1556776233076.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21284029 At least he didn't say TD was his favorite.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 23:37:44 2019 No.21284241 UFO is a tragedy of a game, it's got some of the best and worst aspects of the series >>21284016 Every game has some good tracks MoF, IN, PCB probably have the most consistent quality to them if you ask me

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 23:39:10 2019 No.21284254 >>21283913 the time mechanic is literally useless anon, it's only point is for optional last words and getting continues, which you shouldn't be using in the first place

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 00:10:33 2019 No.21284443 >>21284241 >and worst Maybe if you're the kind of person who struggles with EoSD Easy stage 1.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 00:50:42 2019 No.21284655 >>21284443 You are the kind that would come up with such answer even if anon had LNNs and WRs, just deal with the fact that UFo is the worst mainline game, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 00:56:02 2019 No.21284685 >>21284655 Mad cuz bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 01:47:11 2019 No.21284952 >>21284685 Keep hiding behind the same non argument, that's won't make the good or even decent.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 02:28:25 2019 No.21285170 >>21284952 I'm sure the scrubmaster knows what's good in a game.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 02:45:37 2019 No.21285243 >>21285170 Mad af, shit game.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 07:37:13 2019 No.21286067 >>21224671 tell sanae to lose some weight!

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 07:41:25 2019 No.21286080 >>21283275 Already 1cc'd SA, but sure Doesn't help that the first three stages of UFO are fucking boring

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 12:57:37 2019 No.21287395 >>21285243 >af You HAVE to go back.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 20:32:05 2019 No.21289697 2hu 17 soon. Bets on difficulty? I'm hoping there will be a PDH tier spell in there.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 20:34:27 2019 No.21289707 >>21289697 Given PDH and Okina Spring, it's likely.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 20:34:48 2019 No.21289709 >>21289697 Ah then again it probably won't be in the demo, huh. Let me ask that again in 4 months.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 20:40:44 2019 No.21289737 >>21289697 I'm predicting UFO-tier patterns but exploiting resource system will trivialize 1ccs.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 21:42:45 2019 No.21290196 i' m retiring from touhou gameplay

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 00:06:32 2019 No.21291373 >>21284952 Don't complain about people hiding behind the same non argument while never moving beyond the "waah game is bad baad woooorst" topic sentence yourself, hypo.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 00:17:41 2019 No.21291488 I have an issue with EOSD where whenever I tried to change it to windowed mode, it freezes on the options menu and I have to either sign out or shut my computer down to get out of it. Any ideas?

Anonymous Sun May 5 00:32:02 2019 No.21291587

DISCUSS THE NEW TRIAL
I tested the hitboxes between R / M / Y and they all seem the same size, just like HSIFS.

I did some VERY unscientific tests for DPS, to compare Wolf vs. non-Wolf focus. The numbers below are seconds left on the clock for the first spellcard of the game, shooting it down with level one focused shot:
>R Wolf: ~15.5
>R noWolf: ~14.5
>M Wolf: ~16
>M noWolf: ~14.5
>Y Wolf: ~17
>Y noWolf: ~12

Anonymous Sun May 5 00:38:51 2019 No.21291652
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These things take forever to disappear. LNNN in the sense of no Roaring mode at all is basically impossible then unless you can bottom hug every pattern(which you can't). I guess people will have to settle with LNNN in the sense of no hyper Roaring mode.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 00:53:05 2019 No.21291754 man collecting three UFOs was already painful enough

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 00:55:13 2019 No.21291765 Anyone have achievement translations? I'm not gonna unlock them all for a trial but holy fuck I'm surprised they're in a main numbered Touhou now >>21291754 at least this time they don't all have to be the same type

Anonymous Sun May 5 00:56:40 2019 No.21291772

>>21291587
Demo is very fun and I can't wait until the full game eventually releases. Music is quite pleasant though I'm not overly fond of the stage 2 boss theme. I think ZUN should consider changing stage 1 though. The pacing feels way too slow and it doesn't feel like enough is ever going on to keep you engaged. Can definitely see it being something people complain about in the future when they're stuck replaying it.

Characters all feel great. Reimu feels a bit weak when you're at low power compared to the other characters but seems fine once you're at full. Marisa's Master Spark seems to allow her to move even faster than previous games when you're using it which is a very welcomed change. Youmu doesn't feel too different from TD and I liked her in that game so that's cool with me.

Wolf seems like the best general purpose animal to go with. It's especially helpful for Youmu since it gives her way more range on her charges when you're at low power which is very nice and the increased duration on Wolf hyper is nice.

Otter I'm not sure how to feel about currently, possibly may be useful for bomb spamming through shit but I'm not sure if the trade off compared to Wolf is worth it. The shield you get from the hyper is alright but I'd still rather Wolf or Eagle over it currently.

Eagle is interesting and I definitely think it has potential to be quite good. It's really nice to use on Marisa since it returns her very iconic Infinite Penetration but I don't particularly care for the Eagle hyper compared to Wolf so far. Opinion may change after playing more.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 00:58:08 2019 No.21291782 i don't relly like it

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 01:02:39 2019 No.21291806 Stage 3 is the laziest shit I've ever seen. 90% of it is streamable and it's the same enemies like 4 times in a row.

Anonymous Sun May 5 01:04:03 2019 No.21291812

>>21291587
Don't really like it on first impression, but I strongly like the beast system over UFOs. Beast system overall kinda feels like a bastard child of UFO and TD. Music for stage 1/stage 1 boss is giving me pretty strong deja vu but I'm not sure for what.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 01:05:50 2019 No.21291822 demo hurts my brain everything is too red and yellow I just wanna dodge bullets, not collect goasts and match colors but the third boss theme is really good and the boss danmaku is pretty good

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 01:49:59 2019 No.21292063 File: 9 KB, 404x161, unknown.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why has God forsaken me?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 02:07:34 2019 No.21292128 >>21291772 Wolf and Eagle hypers are just super version of your focus and unfocus shot, so generally just damage vs spread And otter bombs are much stronger than normal ones. Considering PCB Sakuya it's probably the most broken one

Anonymous Sun May 5 02:27:48 2019 No.21292197

>>21292128
My issue with picking Otter is that you give up the significant boons from Eagle and Wolf. Marisa already feels like she may struggle with stage portions since her lasers feel a bit mediocre if you aren't using Eagle, and Youmu's charge feels quite limited without Wolf increasing the distance it travels and radius it covers. I also find myself opting for the Otter hyper the least, so having an increased duration on it doesn't really help me as I'd prefer having longer lasting Wolf or Eagle hypers. As I mentioned, maybe it'll be good for bomb spamming through bosses once people have learned the resource system better and how best to capitalize on it, but at least currently I don't think the tradeoff is worth it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 02:43:57 2019 No.21292259 Game felt a bit on the easy side

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 02:46:20 2019 No.21292267 >>21292197 It's worth it for Reimu because she doesn't need to fix her shots. Marisa unfocused is gimped without Eagle and Youmu unfocused is gimped without Wolf. ZUN always makes Reimu the best, we just have to accept it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 03:08:49 2019 No.21292331 >>21292197 Marisa feels gimped with Eagle, too. Her lasers are just garbage, it's sad.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 03:19:25 2019 No.21292356 Marisa had a good run in TH16 at least. Now it's back to the bottom.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 03:19:35 2019 No.21292358 >>21292197 Otter pretty much confirms that TD has the worst shot types in the series

Anonymous Sun May 5 03:27:47 2019 No.21292383

I finally realized that WB&WC is PC98 2hu, but made by neo-ZUN. The descent into Hell makes me think of Makai and typical gatekeeper smashing.
Anyways its easier SA + UFO combined into something that has potential, I already rate it higher than DDC.
Music is very forgettable though. At least characters save the day, I'd breed that oni all 24/7.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 04:32:34 2019 No.21292553 Kinda want to strangle the second boss and her bouncy ass nonspells right now

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 04:42:05 2019 No.21292577 Could barely get LNB with ReimuW, still using trances and breaking borders tho, this game seems hard.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 05:06:35 2019 No.21292639 Should one collect only spirits of the same animal that was chosen at the start of the game or can you just go for whatever?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 05:12:08 2019 No.21292653 >>21292639 Go for whatever. The animal you select at the start doesn't affect the character's power ups

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 05:13:18 2019 No.21292656 >>21292639 Whatever

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 05:17:58 2019 No.21292672 >>21292653 >>21292656 Felt like spirits of the same type might last longer once the special activates but maybe that was just otter Youmu by default.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 05:27:53 2019 No.21292703 File: 992 KB, 1101x800, kasen freedom.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] wow Eagle Reimu just shits all over the actual stages. The damage is pretty high on those homing shots.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:00:02 2019 No.21292821 File: 20 KB, 116x100, jelly.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What causes the stage 1 midboss to sometimes drop a Jellyfish?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:02:07 2019 No.21292826 >>21292821 Clearing the pattern without killing any of the spirits, or so I heard.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:06:59 2019 No.21292845 Is there any benefit to manually deactivating your spirit power mode by pressing the bomb button?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:11:31 2019 No.21292868 >>21292821 >>21292826 Just tested it and that seem to be how it works. Seems to give an extra life piece too.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:16:18 2019 No.21292893 >>21292845 Hmm I haven't played too much yet but maybe it could be useful if you want to get a bomb/life piece before a spellcard where it would be impossible to grab it?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:23:06 2019 No.21292929 >>21292868 Also, from the achievement screen, there seems to be a hidden spirit in every stage.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:31:33 2019 No.21292961 Otter feels like it's the worst animal friend unless maybe you get the most score possible in a run by sitting right in the boss' face to eat all the bullets, kinda like how it worked with Aya in the previous game.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:33:16 2019 No.21292968 >>21292845 The bullet clear doesn't trigger if you just let it run out, just like PCB's borders.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:53:16 2019 No.21293034 File: 331 KB, 621x408, cow.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21292929 Seems so, st2 midboss drops this, haven't figured out what causes it and no idea about what the st3 one is.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:56:42 2019 No.21293050 >>21293034 big milkies spirit

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 06:57:11 2019 No.21293052 >>21293034 I got that one when I just stood right in her face with otter shield on.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 07:00:30 2019 No.21293064 >>21293034 The condition for the first one is beating the midboss without hitting the familiars, for the second one you need to shotgun the midboss. I don't know how to get the chicken though

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 07:12:30 2019 No.21293119 Hitting R on the pause screen does not reset the game and I don't like it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 07:16:41 2019 No.21293142 >>21293119 Notice how this game has traits from various others, thats the EoSD/VD thing. >>21293064 >I don't know how to get the chicken though You gotta kill the s3 midboss with otter hyper on.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 07:19:24 2019 No.21293152 This game is already broken

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 07:31:43 2019 No.21293217 File: 667 KB, 900x940, 014f8444649e475191b582a146715420[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21293142 >Notice how this game has traits from various others, thats the EoSD/VD thing.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 07:34:33 2019 No.21293228 >>21293052 >>21293142 So only otters can get the bonus life pieces from the secret spirits? That's hella wank.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 07:39:11 2019 No.21293244 >>21293228 ? You can shotgun s2 midboss with any shot combo, you can do the s1 thing with most shots, and the s3 doesnt require otter sub, but otter hyper instead (you can get this with every shot)

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 07:42:29 2019 No.21293256 >>21293244 >doesnt require otter sub Oh right, my bad. Shotgunning the s2 midboss without hyper sounds pretty tough on loony though.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 07:44:27 2019 No.21293268 >>21293256 You can shotgun her whole fight, she is designed that way

Anonymous Sun May 5 08:22:20 2019 No.21293430
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>>21293268
>You can shotgun her whole fight
I got that for her spells, but doing so on her nonspells with the big aimed bullets wasn't as obvious to me. Gave it a try and it worked out though.
Thanks for pointing it out.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 09:25:43 2019 No.21293761 >>21292383 >Music is very forgettable though. I like it actually, there's nothing mind blowing but it's good

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 09:31:20 2019 No.21293782 >>21293761 I really like the title theme and stage 3 songs far. the rest are growing on me a little slower though

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 09:58:16 2019 No.21293932 The amount of fucking times I accidentally collect 3 of a kind and brick my no hyper run is pissing me off. Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 10:06:22 2019 No.21293965 >>21293761 Stage 1 theme is pretty damn great, as usual, but everything else kind of feels lackluster. This especially applies to the stage 2 and 3 themes.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 10:17:01 2019 No.21294030 >>21293430 What happens if you get 5 cow spirits, or 5 chicken spirits hyper?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 10:28:03 2019 No.21294104 >>21294030 You can't. It only drops off the midboss and she only ever drops 1.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 10:31:36 2019 No.21294136 Does anything special happen if you only collect point/power/life spirits instead of any animals?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 10:31:56 2019 No.21294138 File: 2.16 MB, 1282x992, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Looks like there's achievements for no miss runs (border breaks are okay) but none for no bomb runs.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 10:34:09 2019 No.21294151 >>21294030 You unlock a secret oni kasen phantasm stage if you get hyper with spirits from every midboss.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 11:35:39 2019 No.21294495 >>21294138 >achiebement haha benis :DD

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 11:54:00 2019 No.21294603 Any programmer anons out there willing to figure out how to hex edit a timer freeze for the trial?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 12:05:36 2019 No.21294669 >>21294603 We don't have that yet, but there's a practice patch https://youtu.be/UcyeHR2c6zg

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 13:12:41 2019 No.21294993 File: 577 KB, 1280x720, kasencure.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21294151 I believe it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:02:04 2019 No.21295665 the trial stages are just all streaming, and the spirits last so long on screen i dont feel the need to get them ASAP like UFO. for survival i honestly would just go Marisa Wolf, make the spellcards as easy as possible.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:06:30 2019 No.21295686 >>21294993 Which Cure is this Kasen supposed to be?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:25:19 2019 No.21295796 >>21295665 Saw your post and gave it a go to compare to Reimu W, turns out she does pretty well. Managed to beat my survival record with 1 miss and 2 border breaks. The big damage really helps on the third boss' laser cone spellcard.

Anonymous Sun May 5 15:35:47 2019 No.21295849

>>21295796
the only issue Im seeing is that resources in this game seem really limited. in HSIFS you could get a shit ton of lives just based off score, so Marisa Winter did excellent.

do we have a list of every possible way to get life pieces? There's the midbosses, and the secret animals, and the floating pieces that drop sometimes?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:43:55 2019 No.21295892 >>21295686 Cure Piss

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:45:13 2019 No.21295897 >>21293932 People are considering activating otter hyper as no hyper still

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:46:43 2019 No.21295912 >>21293932 People are considering activating otter hyper as no hyper still >>21294669 Whens IN practice patch yo

Anonymous Sun May 5 15:48:07 2019 No.21295922

>>21295849
Provided I counted right and didn't miss any, there's 3 life pieces on each stage : one from the mid boss itself, one from its secret animal, and one during the boss fight.
On a no-hyper run, stage 3's secret animal is (as far as I know) impossible to get, and I find stage 2's to be somewhat risky. Stage 1's is pretty unreliable too, so I tend to get just 2 extends on my attempts.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:49:25 2019 No.21295928 >>21295912 >People are considering activating otter hyper as no hyper still You mean the bullet cancelling shield? That's a bit weird.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:49:30 2019 No.21295929 >>21295892 But Peace was cute

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 16:02:15 2019 No.21295999 >>21295922 Wonder if this will lighten up in the full game like TD and LoLK's demos

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 16:04:02 2019 No.21296011 >>21295999 maybe, maybe not. it doesnt feel like you really need more even on lunatic, though we dont know how crazy things will get in later stages. you can stockpile spirits for bosses, and bosses throw out a shit ton of spirits anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 16:18:11 2019 No.21296101 >>21296011 Also ZUN has to be careful because if he gives away too many lives + Otter = you could probably bomb every thing in stage 5 and 6.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 16:20:46 2019 No.21296120 Does anyone understand how extra spirits work? Sometimes when I finish Roaring Mode I get extra spirits spitting out. I understand that if you clear with an item spirit you get that item, do your unused animal spirits also get spit out?

Anonymous Sun May 5 16:46:06 2019 No.21296307

>>21296120
You always get two extra spirits after you let a (hyper-)roaring run off (borders breaks won't spawn them). These extra spirits do not seem to correlate with animal spirits you had or collected during roaring (which only serves to extend the current roaring).
As you said item spirits works differently : those that served to trigger a roaring will appear as real collectible items after the roaring (run off or break), and any item spirit collected during the roar appear immediatly as collectible.

Secret animals seems to work like regular spirit except that if they served to trigger a roaring, you will also get one extra animal and one extra life piece item spirit when the roaring runs out. I haven't tested what happens if you collect a secret animal during a roaring, nor if the extra animal and life still appear after a break.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 16:49:03 2019 No.21296329 I feel the most comfortable on Reimu this time which feels kind of weird since I've always preferred the third option when available

Anonymous Sun May 5 17:00:58 2019 No.21296390

>>21296307
I just tested the last two points. If you collect the secret animals during roaring you don't get the extra spirit animal nor the life piece spirit, as expected.
If you break the roaring that had a secret animal spirit in stock, you also do not get any extra spirit animal and more importantly, neither the life piece spirit.

Anonymous Sun May 5 17:17:38 2019 No.21296480
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Unless ZUN wants to add a different animal for the extra stage or more than one stage in ex mode, this is how it should look. I'm keeping the colors like in HSiFS I could see the entire chart being the same color as the wolf columns

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 17:31:57 2019 No.21296540 Okay. NN'ed it with no hypers but with regular roaring. I wonder if no roaring at all is even possible.

Anonymous Sun May 5 17:41:41 2019 No.21296571

>>21296540
Nice job!
Roar-less probably isn't doable, or at the very least it isn't sane. You'd have to be enough of a madman to add slow, permanent obstacles that bounce off the screen borders to the list of stuff you have to dodge. And the next step would be NN'ing PCB without somehow triggering any cherry border.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 17:50:54 2019 No.21296610 File: 630 KB, 726x549, unknown.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21296571 Triggering borders doesnt matter as long as you dont break them. Next step would be a tokenless run like in UFO, gl.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 17:53:11 2019 No.21296621 File: 6 KB, 126x120, 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Cute, I don't get what they do though

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 18:05:38 2019 No.21296667 >>21292672 Nah, if you match the pickups with your type it really does seem to extend it Eagle + Eagle is beyond broken for stage clearing, it's almost constantly up and kills everything as it spawns

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 18:06:40 2019 No.21296670 >>21296667 On Reimu that is, haven't played through everything yet

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 18:35:53 2019 No.21296802 Youmu without wolf is seriously SA-tier bad

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 18:42:17 2019 No.21296830 >>21296621 Achievement fodder

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 18:54:12 2019 No.21296876 >>21296621 Seems like you get an extra life piece if you have it as one of your five spirits and don't border break.

Anonymous Sun May 5 19:04:07 2019 No.21296907

>>21296667
>Eagle + Eagle is beyond broken for stage clearing, it's almost constantly up and kills everything as it spawns
Might suck in later stages, making you have to time it and go for Wolf, who knows.

Right now I'm just hoping the game isn't going to give you an extra life piece for aligning 5, because my autism wouldn't be able to survive that.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 19:09:07 2019 No.21296927 File: 8 KB, 640x400, here have all five of mine.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] seems my karmic punishment for not playing the demo is to help the ai collect spirits

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 19:11:18 2019 No.21296935 >>21296670 Eagle + Eagle Marisa can also just sit in the middle of the stage to clear all the enemies above her tho not as easily as eagly Reimu.

Anonymous Sun May 5 19:13:38 2019 No.21296941

>>21296907
>Right now I'm just hoping the game isn't going to give you an extra life piece for aligning 5

I doubt, it feels the intention was the opposite, to make the mechanic more lenient so the average person doesn't go dying trying to collect the things.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 20:03:51 2019 No.21297163 >>21296571 >NN'ing PCB without somehow triggering any cherry border Is that even possible?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 21:30:38 2019 No.21297436 >>21296802 Yeah with wolf she's decent, but without she's awful

Anonymous Sun May 5 21:51:02 2019 No.21297507
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I was playing with eagle and got all the way down to 1 power by the end. I guess my only problem is how hard it is to see the enemy bullets when you have such bright shots flying around everywhere on screen.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 22:14:29 2019 No.21297589 >>21297576 About to die soon so let's move along.

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