So why is it wrong for Youkai to rule human society from the Shadows, /jp/? Humanity has proven time and time again that they cannot govern themselves and need guidance from a superior race, a master race. What do you say?

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Anonymous Fri Apr 19 03:05:17 2019 No.21196650 [Reply] [Original]

So why is it wrong for Youkai to rule human society from the Shadows, /jp/? Humanity has proven time and time again that they cannot govern themselves and need guidance from a superior race, a master race. What do you say?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 03:08:35 2019 No.21196658 File: 109 KB, 800x800, kijin_seija_by_ipaanbaa_d7pfulr-fullview.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21196650 Hmm i wonder who is behind this post

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 03:36:37 2019 No.21196709 >>21196650 Kozusu please leave

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 05:11:33 2019 No.21196910 >>21196650 T. Yukari. Fuck off gap hag, you and your entire kind are evil and will get your shit slapped harder then the fucking moonbunnies got their shit slapped by america in the 60's.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 05:29:49 2019 No.21196973 This thread again? Dude at least change OP pic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:09:34 2019 No.21197236 >>21196650 The world will change, Gensokyo will change. You can not stop that change when it comes, Yukari, even if you send your shrine maiden dog to try and kill it.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 07:38:41 2019 No.21197308
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>>21197236
Keine is teaching children in her school to be subservient to Yukari and to report their parents should they have a dissident opinion. The change you speak of will never happen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 08:50:54 2019 No.21197577 >>21196650 >why is it wrong for Youkai to rule human society from the Shadows It isn't, hence why no one is stopping them.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:07:31 2019 No.21199664 >>21197577 But they are.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:12:47 2019 No.21199697 Sages War soon

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:28:42 2019 No.21199773

It's wrong because humans are obviously dominate in Gensokyo. No matter how you dress the situation up.

It would be like a bunch of rats ruling over a pack of lions. Their ranking in the hierarchy, food chain, or whatever you want to call this order, is inappropriate. The gods that might wipe out the youkai, answer to the humans, who for whatever reason fear youkai.

The situation isn't correct.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 16:29:25 2019 No.21199774 File: 1.88 MB, 880x1504, 1554528514159.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21199697 Finally, Okina can take her rightful position as queen of Gensokyo.

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>>21197308
Keine is going to have a long talk with the Secret History Association where they will sort out their differences in how the children would be educated in the future.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 18:52:34 2019 No.21200341 >>21196650 When did this become a copypasta?

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 18:54:50 2019 No.21200354

>>21197577
The only reason why nobody is stopping them is because nobody has the power to defy them yet. With new religions on the rise, and Reimu finally starting to realize what being a Hakurei Shrine Maiden actually entails, that's soon going to change.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 18:56:52 2019 No.21200361 >>21197308 Wtf are you smoking? Keine is literally one of the most pro human people in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 18:57:54 2019 No.21200366 >>21196650 When the hell did this become a copypasta? In any case, humans rule and youkai drool. The human villagers are also more likeable than youkai, thus deserve to be on top.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 19:01:07 2019 No.21200374

>>21196658
Wouldn't Seija nature mean she would be against the status quo?

>>21196709
Kosuzu might be a race traitor without a shrewd of empathy for anybody in the human village, but she isn't THAT bad.

>>21196910
>Implying Yukari would try to defend her actions.
She would just revel in her evil nature.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 19:34:47 2019 No.21200488 >>21196658 Look at this fucking mega cutie

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 19:37:51 2019 No.21200501 >>21200354 Big false. The humans don't give a shit. The very few who do are mocked.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:01:41 2019 No.21200609
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>>21200361
Do you really believe Yukari or any of the other sages would allow Public Education to the illiterate masses without any sort of Indoctrination as to not undermine their regime?

>Keine is literally one of the most pro human people in Gensokyo.
No, she against Secret History Association a Pro-human group. I wouldn't be surprised if she kills them or reports them to the Gestapo or stasi.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:03:36 2019 No.21200622 >>21200361 Not quite. She's not against humanity or anything, but she believes in the value of youkai and how Gensokyo's society works.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:06:57 2019 No.21200649 >>21200609 >Secret history association is pro human Anon please, marisa is nearly as pro youkai as reimu.

Anonymous Fri Apr 19 20:24:26 2019 No.21200765

>>21200649
Marisa will have to choose when the time comes, though it's was clear the moment she left the Village which side she would support.

What Marisa does do for the humans in the Village is serve as an example for what they could achieve if they asserted themselves. The humans are descendants of powerful youkai hunters and that power is still within them waiting to be unlocked.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 03:36:04 2019 No.21202480
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>>21196658
Seija already tried to incite a proletariat revolution and failed. Yukari, the bourgeoisie and their lapdog Reimu are hunting her down with the intended purpose in killing her to make an example for anyone else trying to help the poor and weak.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 07:27:13 2019 No.21203051 I wonder which shitty /vg/ crossboarder reposted this thread...

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 07:53:26 2019 No.21203109 >>21203051 Stay mad, youkaifag.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 08:11:17 2019 No.21203181 >>21196650 >Youkai >Superior to Humans That's why Youkai are the ones running around as they please in the outside wrold while humans are delegated to what amounts to a nature preserve. OH WAIT, no, it's the other way around.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 08:54:46 2019 No.21203359 File: 182 KB, 1280x720, sa.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Marisa is the strongest human so won't youkai look to kill her eventually?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 09:09:59 2019 No.21203443 >>21203181 They're superior to humans except for the whole "relies on other beings to exist" thing. Smarter, stronger, and capable of magic. They're better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 09:14:42 2019 No.21203470 >>21196650 >Humanity cannot govern themselves What are you on about? In what way does human self-governance not work?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 13:20:38 2019 No.21204634 >>21203443 then why are they in gensokyo?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 13:24:54 2019 No.21204663 >>21204634 >>21203443 >except for the whole "relies on other beings to exist" thing

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 13:29:57 2019 No.21204698 >>21204663 Sure, but I don't see what that has to do with anything, if they are >Smarter, stronger, and capable of magic Why isn't the outside world filled with youkai? they are inherently weak, and will die out eventually

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 15:09:55 2019 No.21205226 >>21203443 Then why’d they cut themselves off from 99.9% of humanity? Surely with their superior intellect and masterful sorcery it would be child’s play to convince the masses of their existence.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:08:13 2019 No.21205511 >>21204698 Because they are reliant on humanity, they are a parasite invented from human superstitions and die very easily if a person is educated with logical phenomena. Their magic will die out faster than humanity does too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:12:11 2019 No.21205534 >>21202480 Anon you assume TH17 isn't part of her counter attack. Yukari will get what's coming too her, just you wait.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:15:18 2019 No.21205552 >>21205511 that doesn't answer anything esl retard

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:16:19 2019 No.21205554

>>21203359
She's protected once again by the fact she is best friends with reimu, who actually has a hell of a lot of sway either way, so if marisa gets offed by youkai or even the sages, reimu will probably finallyou break her chains and go full crimson slasher on the youkai all over gensokyo. Basically marisa lives explicitly too keep reimu complacent and not have her do some shit like kill all the things on youkai mountain for example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:22:34 2019 No.21205583 >>21205552 Their strength and intellect is derived from human fear No human fear means they don’t exist and if they don’t they can’t exercise that strength and intellect can they?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:28:33 2019 No.21205611 >>21205583 If a dude pointing a gun at you is scary, I don't see why youkai couldn't scare anyone, or just have all of the outside world be like gensokyo.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 16:35:02 2019 No.21205643

>>21205611
Then what exactly would be the point of creating Gensokyo if they weren’t endangered in the first place? Kanako herself said humans outside stopped believing in shit like her and faith and she couldn’t do jack shit about it. We have an innate fear of darkness that diminished with the invention of electricity, we were weirded out by sourceless sounds in abandoned areas until we figured out echoes, we thought the weather was controlled by gods before finding out the principles at work. So there was no longer any room for imaginary things that lurk in the darkness. We also have a strong society compared to the human village being controlled by Youkai whereas we govern ourselves. Fuck, the tengu can’t figure out a society for themselves and has to imitate human society.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:12:18 2019 No.21205818 >>21205643 Just as I said then > they are inherently weak, and will die out eventually Neandertals also were better at everything than sapiens, but you don't see those anymore do you?

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:14:31 2019 No.21205826

>>21205818
So why was it that Youkai were dying out quicker than they did? You do realize if the humans die out so do the Youkai. It’s the reason why a human in the village turning into a Youkai is the greatest sin. Because they NEED humans not vice-versa.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:18:01 2019 No.21205838 >>21205818 Hold it, I think there’s a misunderstanding between us. After rereading what you wrote you are arguing AGAINST youkai?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:18:20 2019 No.21205843 >>21205826 esl retard. that's what i'm saying, if youkai die in mass just because humans develop their society, not even hunting them down, then they have to be inferior to humans.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:19:23 2019 No.21205851 >>21205838 yes, I'm an anti youkai

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:19:42 2019 No.21205854 >>21205843 >>21205851 My mistake, reading the green text got in the way.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 17:24:21 2019 No.21205869 File: 487 KB, 1556x1676, __yakumo_yukari_touhou_drawn_by_yingyingying__285bac2fc379de7d0ea6854d56c9b8d8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21196650 What's going on this thread? Hopefully not dissenting opinions. Explain yourselves.

Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:44:36 2019 No.21206495

>>21200374
>Wouldn't Seija nature mean she would be against the status quo?
In the end, she would overthrow the proletariat revolution she helped start, but she wholly believes in everything she says, as she's a very pure child who is perfectly in-tune with her nature as an amanojaku.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 20 19:47:22 2019 No.21206508 >>21205534 If Seija is the Weakest Creature, what will be the Wily Beast?

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>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 00:21:01 2019 No.21207600 (((Youkai)))

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 00:23:54 2019 No.21207609 >>21205818 >Neandertals also were better at everything than sapiens, but you don't see those anymore do you? I've seen people actually believe this shit unironically.

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 01:11:18 2019 No.21207772

>>21196650
Human society sounds grand and all, but in reality youkais only have controll of one shitty little village and if they ever try anything with the rest of the world they will get rekt. Let them cling to relevancy they once had like sad little things they really are

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 04:07:42 2019 No.21208371 >>21207609 Neanderthals were better physically, but were fucking retarded socially and never considered throwing shit at animals instead of fucking them to death with their bare hands.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 05:48:17 2019 No.21208667 >>21208371 Neanderthals didn't throw stuff because they couldn't. Their arm-shoulder joint is different than modern humans. Still, there is not enough evidence to claim neanderthals were smarter.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 07:51:54 2019 No.21209171 >>21208667 They were sucked to extinction

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 08:20:46 2019 No.21209295

>>21208667
They had larger skulls and therefore had larger brains. That said, I do agree that doesn't necessarily mean they were smarter than homo sapiens. If brain size were the sole deciding factor for intelligence, whales would be the smartest assholes on the planet.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 08:50:31 2019 No.21209396 >>21209295 They are smarter, they just take it easy until they an hero and beach themselves.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 09:32:35 2019 No.21209608 >>21209295 The large skull is not enough, as humans with extraordinary large skulls are not smarter than anyone as a rule. We don't actually even know how their brain was structured compared to modern humans.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 09:48:45 2019 No.21209705 >>21203181 But tons of youkai do exactly that? Powerful ones go to outside world all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 09:51:14 2019 No.21209723 >>21205643 Why the fuck do we still get this kind of questions when it was explained in canon multiple times?

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 10:06:59 2019 No.21209812

>>21200501
>The humans don't give a shit.
Literally their entire society is only kept going by hope. If it seems like they don't give a fuck, which it never does, then that's only because they have been thoroughly broken.

>>21200622
>but she believes in the value of youkai
When was this established?

>and how Gensokyo's society works.
She seems to favour the status quo back during Bohemian Archive in Red. But that's only because that status quo WAS actually beneficial back to humans back then. Something that hasn't been the case for more than a decade.

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 10:10:58 2019 No.21209833

>>21200609
Yukari isn't going to keep a close eye on every rando in Gensokyo calling herself a history teacher. Keine teaching random kids terribly outdated history is about as big of a threat to her reign as your average bum.

>No, she against Secret History Association
She's against them because she thinks the way they go about things is stupid. Which, to be fair, it kind of is.

Also, like I said elsewhere, Bohemian Gensokyo was a very different place.

>>21200765
>>21200649
>though it's was clear the moment she left the Village which side she would support.
Marisa has, and pretty much always has, only ever supported one side. That of Marisa Kirisame. While taking on the youkai sages would be pretty dangerous, the gain would be incredible. Plus, it would be a lot more fun.

Anonymous Sun Apr 21 10:12:49 2019 No.21209848

>>21203443
>"relies on other beings to exist"
Because, you know, all humans are totally independent creatures that don't need any other type of life form to prosper or survive.

Seriously though, being able to hit harder and do math quicker ultimately doesn't take away from the fact that only one race utterly dominates the earth and is about to claim the entire universe for themselves. And it sure as hell aren't the creatures that humanity pretty much wiped out by accident.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 16:18:00 2019 No.21212305 >>21196658 I want to marry Seija

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 21 21:55:27 2019 No.21214187 >>21202480 Is there a reason why Seija is portrait as a socialist/Communist?

Anonymous Mon Apr 22 03:52:04 2019 No.21215485

>>21196650
It's another thread about Youks and Humans.

Humanity fuck yeah is a mental disease /jp/.>>21200374
>Wouldn't Seija nature mean she would be against the status quo?
Seija lives to start shit.
If it were Humans coexisting with Youkai, she would try her hardest and drive a wedge between that companionship. If it were Humans V. Youkai, she would try and have the two be friends.
Seija is contrarian to everything. If she starts shit and succeeds, she'll start shit again and it'll become a never-ending cycle.

Seija is cute though, I'll say that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 10:53:07 2019 No.21217061 >>21212305 Who doesn't

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 15:18:26 2019 No.21218465 >>21215485 >Humanity fuck yeah is a mental disease This

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 22 19:10:58 2019 No.21219561 File: 469 KB, 1000x1200, __yakumo_yukari_touhou_drawn_by_space_jin__63f56f8a3ca89eeeb8f742cef00b0934.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21203181 Say that to her face?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 03:17:33 2019 No.21221738 >>21219561 You're an Old Hag and will die unloved and unmourned.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 08:16:04 2019 No.21222633 >>21196650 >What do you say? If the trains run on time, who are we to complain?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 13:49:44 2019 No.21224110 >>21222633 Gensokyo has no trains. Thus, no alternative to yokai genocide.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 23 22:20:23 2019 No.21226494 >>21215485 >Seija is cute though, I'll say that. SHe's pure as well.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 02:01:53 2019 No.21227126 >>21224110 Then where does Yukari get her trains?

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:25:54 2019 No.21228182

>>21209812
>Literally their entire society is only kept going by hope
Not the harvest boons? Not the protection against natural disasters? Not the easy life? Not the fantastical aspects of Gensokyo?

ALL of which the villagers have been noted to enjoy the benefits of very often?

>>21209812
>>but she believes in the value of youkai
>When was this established?
Read BaiJR.

>She seems to favour the status quo back during Bohemian Archive in Red. But that's only because that status quo WAS actually beneficial back to humans back then. Something that hasn't been the case for more than a decade.
Wait if you read it what the fuck are you even on abouoohhh, wait. You're one of those "pretends Gensokyo is worse for humans than it actually is" people. Nope. Nope, not bothering past this.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:28:02 2019 No.21228193 >>21209848 The humans made them, their existence is fragile but that's all. In every other regard, they're literally, objectively superior.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:34:06 2019 No.21228220

>>21205226
Because unlike Lunarians (who are "just better, that's it") they were created by humans. Basically think of them as a kind of Artificial Intelligence endgame tier thing created in the past. Fears and stories of things that could kill you with ease, could trick you with ease, impossibly strong.

But, as sense and reason increased, that last point really stuck out. They were impossible, so surely they weren't real. They simply can't exist beyond that. Without people believing they exist, they can't. This doesn't make them not superior physically/mentally/etc, of course not what sort of inane bullshit are you even trying to get across? The whole POINT is that they were better, because HUMANS imagined them better. Like sailors saying "here be dragons" because they couldn't conceive how horrible the sea was without fucking sea dragons that could NOT be reckoned with out there. Sea dragons are definitely stronger than any human, except they don't exist. But, humans imagined superior beings. That's the thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:34:51 2019 No.21228223 >>21203359 No killing of native humans allowed, period.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 08:37:49 2019 No.21228233 >>21228220 Dude, Suika got tricked by humans and Kasen has her arm cut off. Back then there were human heroes that can wipe out youkai, this is canon. Youkai are not the endgame species.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:04:07 2019 No.21228341
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>>21228182
>Not the harvest boons? Not the protection against natural disasters? Not the easy life? Not the fantastical aspects of Gensokyo?
Holy shit, you actually believe in Yukari's Propaganda?
>ALL of which the villagers have been noted to enjoy the benefits of very often?
The fortune teller wanted to escape his life. And Yukari has agents planted in every human home with the purpose of repressing dissent against her rule.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:20:21 2019 No.21228402 >>21196650 Humans already won. Gensokyo is just a redoubt of Youkai that survived human supremacy, kinda like the village where Asterix and Obelix live.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:39:31 2019 No.21228515

>>21228341
>The fortune teller wanted to escape his life
The fortune teller wanted to be a youkai and become part of the superior race.

>>21228233
Oni are a bit of a very special case. That said any youkai can theoretically be defeated if you know how to defeat them, but uhh, so can humans? It's not difficult to kill a human. You have to be a specialized person trained from a young age to kill just about any youkai, let alone an oni (those of which you need to trick in order to beat when again, all you have to do with a human is overpower them and run them through with a sharp object)

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:43:19 2019 No.21228542

>>21228233
Also
>Back then there were human heroes that can wipe out youkai
Literally false and no you fucking idiot, this was never ever the case. For oni, it WAS the case not because humans are STRONGER, but because oni basically let it happen due to being honorbound and basically incapable of detecting trickery. Youkai were never threatened to extinction otherwise by exterminators, and it has always been a give and take back and forth of humans exterminate youkai, youkai terrorize and eat humans. This has been stated ad nauseam in canon. What nearly wiped out youkai was not humanity's strength or ingenuity, it was their newfound rationality making them cease to exist.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:47:41 2019 No.21228559

>>21228542
>>21228402
You have shit tier youkai like the one Marisa killed just by grounding it under her feat and that doesn’t take any training. Youkai is an umbrella term for monsters. You had legendary heroes all over the world that can wipe out youkai.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:48:32 2019 No.21228566 >>21228559 >You had legendary heroes all over the world that can wipe out youkai. How is it up your own ass, reading the headcanon you put in there?

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:51:52 2019 No.21228593

>>21228566
It’s logical enough. Youkai aren’t limited to just japan and foreign myths exists thanks to Hecatia. You have hobgoblins and just about any adult human can kill them. It’s canon that the human village was once a village of heroes and their descendants. Evidence to Marisa they have potential to being really capable of magic and can exterminate youkai.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:56:38 2019 No.21228621 >>21228559 Youkai depend on human beliefs, fears and traditions. Humans dominating nature, and embracing scientific thought endangered Youkai's existence. Gensokyo, is a redoubt of Youkai.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:58:21 2019 No.21228632 >>21228621 Yeah I agree, I didn’t mean to reply to you and was for the anon right below instead.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 09:59:35 2019 No.21228637

>>21228593
Marisa lives in a time where she is allowed to survive when fighting youkai, and it's not as if the life Reimu and others describe pre-spellcard rules is "humans EASILY trounced youkai all the time!" No, it was "humans struggle and it's basically a balance of death, where it's never really easy on humans, the weaker, mortal, magically incapable and generally not as savvy being. In fact it's still not easy, so I had to make these rules so I don't fucking accidentally die when I fight them now"

Again, humans invented creatures superior to them so I don't know why you even care. Who the fuck cares. One more time: them being better is the point, and no I'm obviously not talking about weaklings like yamabiko or something, I'm talking about incredibly magically powerful magicians, weird beings like kappa with deft control over tides and water, hell even someone like Mystia could easily wreck you had you no idea how to possibly deal with her (and even if you did, if she got the jump on you you'd be fucked ten ways). They were imagined to be powerful to the point of being scary, or just being scary because they reflected peculiar aspects of nature. But with human invention come even tales of "well, how do you defeat this undefeatable thing", hence why there are methods to kill most youkai, but it generally has to be your JOB because again, it isn't easy.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 10:03:56 2019 No.21228652

>>21228637
I will admit it’s not easy to exterminate really strong youkai. The emphasis on really strong ones. As easy as it was for humans to imagine strong beings, it was also easy to imagine weaknesses for them and in turn give them those weaknesses like fire or the sun.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 10:07:29 2019 No.21228670

>>21228652
You can probably argue the weaknesses are humans' early rationalization, like anything can die. They were afraid of the dark, and wanted to believe they could defeat the dark. If you're afraid, you want to feel safe. This is youkai's only real failing overall: they are a fiction given flesh, but they have to live by that fiction as a result. And really, it's not that much a failing if you again relate to what I said about how easy it is to kill humans. The "methods to exterminate humans" are almost infinite. It is not all that difficult to take a life if you want to. The methods to exterminate youkai are varied, specific, and often not easy to pull off. Even if you know the methods, in a fight you could still end up dying.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 10:11:26 2019 No.21228691
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>>21228515
>The fortune teller wanted to be a youkai and become part of the superior race.
Where did you get that headcanon from? He explicitly states he wants to escape being oppressed by the youkai, and the only way he saw how without being killed immediately was to die, become a youkai himself, then leave. That's how bad the truth of being a human in the Village is.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 10:12:28 2019 No.21228699 >>21228691 Are you stupid? He wanted to stop being under the yoke of youkai and become a himself youkai, holding the yoke. What does that mean?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 10:14:50 2019 No.21228716 >>21228699 (keep in mind leaving Gensokyo isn't "difficult" and you don't need to be a youkai to do it; in other words Fortune Teller is full of fucking shit, which is obvious as hell anyway but whatever)

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 10:48:58 2019 No.21228854
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>>21228699
He himself wasn't going to oppress anyone, he just wanted to be left alone. Being a youkai alone isn't oppressing humans or the Village as there are a lot of youkai that mean humans no harm and are also oppressed by the ruling youkai, but being part of the system like how Reimu and Keine are is. He wanted no part in that and was going to live well away from the Village.
>>21228716
>keep in mind leaving Gensokyo isn't "difficult" and you don't need to be a youkai to do it
Where in your ass did you pull this headcanon from?

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 10:55:43 2019 No.21228885

there is nothing better than to know our place under the Yukari reign, knowing that out superiors are watching out for us. It is only natural that the infinitely wise, who has created Gensokyo for our own safety, should rule over the infinitely foolish such as ourselves. Humans would know what to do without the Youkai, the Buddhist sages and the Shintoists.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 10:57:16 2019 No.21228895 >>21228885 wouldn't*

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 11:07:24 2019 No.21228926

>>21228854
>Where in your ass did you pull this headcanon from?
Reimu being able to send people across the barrier is headcanon?

There's nothing in canon stating she doesn't offer this service to native humans. Rather, native humans have no interest. But again, I know your retarded type. This is pointless.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 11:10:17 2019 No.21228939
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>>21228854
>He himself wasn't going to oppress anyone, he just wanted to be left alone
Uh, huh. Then why didn't he become Taoist? Why didn't he try to become a sage? Why didn't he visit Myouren temple? Why didn't he off himself outside of village? You see the rule is quite simple ,just don't be a villager while doing so. No man I don't believe him. This is guy is just an ass that picked easy modo and didn't get stage 6.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 11:10:27 2019 No.21228941
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>>21228885
>Humans would know what to do without the Youkai, the Buddhist sages and the Shintoists
You're right. It is time for a new era.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 11:17:50 2019 No.21228971

>>21228926
So you're pulling a highly unlikely scenario out your ass, good to know.
>>21228939
>Then why didn't he become Taoist? Why didn't he try to become a sage? Why didn't he visit Myouren temple? Why didn't he off himself outside of village?
He found out the truth behind Gensokyo, none of those opiates would cover that up. So he made a more intricate plan, which was ultimately his undoing unfortunately. Too much faith that Reimu wasn't a piece of shit.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 11:21:13 2019 No.21228982
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>>21228971
>Why didn't he visit Myouren temple? Why didn't he off himself outside of village?
I don't really why did you greentext that part as well. The result is same only less retarded without him, you know, being dead.

Anonymous Wed Apr 24 12:11:51 2019 No.21229194

>>21228854
>Where in your ass did you pull this headcanon from?
Not the guy you were arguing with, but Kourin managed to cross the border in a sense through (a) possessing an item from the outside world and (b) Reimu weakening the barrier.
So yeah, not really difficult, but do require some specifics.

Also regarding the fortune teller, I honestly won't believe anyone who would devise a plan that includes killing yourself. At that point, anything is fair game to them.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 18:16:54 2019 No.21230671 File: 219 KB, 850x1360, __kijin_seija_touhou_drawn_by_asuku_69_1_31__sample-402e49395f78d4f042952d032c635124.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21228941 I agree.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 24 19:42:26 2019 No.21231029 File: 123 KB, 990x1318, __patchouli_knowledge_touhou_drawn_by_svveet__adae8c44d812b2967e6ac7459e89716d.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21228941 Soon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 08:00:56 2019 No.21233566 >>21228691 Was the fortune teller /our guy/, /jp/

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 08:04:56 2019 No.21233583 >>21233566 He lives in the human village surrounded by beautiful youkai girls and is protected by the shrine maiden and the sages (probably). And he chose to bail. If he's /ourguy/ then I don't know you anymore, /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 11:33:22 2019 No.21234482 >Human rationality defeated youkai. >All Youkai have to do is literally mass-murder humans and stop any sign of advancement, technology, and ideas. There is a big hole.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 11:40:30 2019 No.21234511 >>21205869 I want to worship her body!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 11:42:03 2019 No.21234516 >>21228926 Reimu only returns Outsiders to the Outside World. She won't send any native villagers out of Gensokoyo otherwise people would've left a long fucking time ago.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 18:23:47 2019 No.21236175 >>21233583 Those beautiful youkai girls will never give you the time of day.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 19:06:16 2019 No.21236397 >>21234482 >Youkai follow human behavior and have the same mind as me. Even non-youkai like lunarians are so fucking different in the way they act, interact and think compared to Reimu/Marisa. Even Reisen is fucking weird.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 22:07:44 2019 No.21237246 >>21236175 Hey as long as I can see them sway as they walked by. Imagine picking up the scent of sunflower and seeing Yuuka walking to the flower shop.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 25 23:52:47 2019 No.21237674 >>21236397 But any smart Youkai / Deity would realize human progress is bad and stunt it world wide.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 08:45:10 2019 No.21239370 >>21237246 Never going to happen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 09:10:07 2019 No.21239462 >>21196650 There should be more tag:human-cattle doujins aside from zounose.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:30:12 2019 No.21241694 >>21239462 But that will make /jp/ mad.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:50:49 2019 No.21241792 >>21237674 But "smart" is a measure for humans, Youkai are different.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 26 17:55:30 2019 No.21241815 is this all some ingroup head canon? most of it sounds made up, none of this kind of things are in the endings

Anonymous Fri Apr 26 18:00:21 2019 No.21241839
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>>21196910

Yukari is just an aspect of the God-Emperor trying to preserve humanity's psychic might (in the form of gods and youkai which humans created) so we can defend ourselves from the xeno and conquer the galaxy in the future.

Sumireko is one of the first natural human psykers which is why Yukari raids dreams to fix her humaning away problem instead of just killing her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 04:06:03 2019 No.21244983 >>21241839 nope

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 06:26:22 2019 No.21245596 >>21241839 Yes

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 10:23:22 2019 No.21246488 >>21237246 Are you that much of a beta?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:25:12 2019 No.21248702 >>21246488 No

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 27 18:33:52 2019 No.21248734 File: 22 KB, 634x566, eb1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21228341

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>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 03:22:41 2019 No.21251220 >>21248756 Wow, that blew my mind. So what about The Hakurei Barrier?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 06:52:16 2019 No.21251990 >>21251220 Sorry, anon. But Gensokyo is for Youkai only. No foreigners.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 07:54:01 2019 No.21252240

>>21237246
>>21246488
If the person in question is a Yuukafag I can conceive of two different scenarios
1. Their lives are fulfilled by the very knowledge that Yuuka actually physically exists in the same dimension as them and as a result are eerily happy no matter what happens
2. They realize that like-minded people might be in the village and rightfully decide to murder each other since nobody in their right mind would choose a bond of brotherhood over Yuuka
As far as the 'getting the girl' part is concerned, I'm just a man not a miracle worker. Get me into Gensokyo for a few years and I might come up with something that'll at least let the average Joe steal a kiss from the youkai love of his life before his demise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 09:52:50 2019 No.21252727 >>21252240 Who can like Yuuka? She treats genocide as a game.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 11:54:43 2019 No.21253305 >>21227126 The outside world. Dirty thief.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 11:58:38 2019 No.21253321

>>21228182
>Not the harvest boons?
Probably worse than you would get in the outside world.

>Not the protection against natural disasters?
You can be protected from natural disasters by sheer virtue of not living there.

>Not the easy life?
Pre modern life is not easy. Even if you aren't a dirt poor farmer, you're still going to be working your ass off for relatively little game.

>Not the fantastical aspects of Gensokyo?
Since those are all bad, no.

>ALL of which the villagers have been noted to enjoy the benefits of very often?
The only one we know they benefit from is the protection from natural disasters. Their life has never been described as easy outside of some obvious retconned stuff in PCB and PMISS. We know about as much about their agriculture as we do about their economy. Their living standards are described as "pre modern", in other words bad. And their relation to the more fantastical aspects of Gensokyo is bad even at its best.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 11:59:54 2019 No.21253327 >>21228233 Youkai's very nature is as a antagonist. For all of their power and danger, they ultimately only exist to be killed and overcome.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:04:25 2019 No.21253354

>>21228637
>And it's not as if the life Reimu and others describe pre-spellcard rules is "humans EASILY trounced youkai all the time!"
That is actually basically what it's described as in PCB. Which, while probably no longer canon, is STILL the only mention we've ever had of their backstory.

Which does kind of make sense if you actually stop and think about it. If literally the entire town consists of youkai exterminators and their descendants, all of which have more magical blood flowing through their veins than your typical greek hero, with everybody weak quickly getting weeded out then you would end up with a society filled with ridiculously powerful demigods.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:05:23 2019 No.21253360 >>21252727 Yuuka didn't do anything wrong! No, really. If the Yama tells you to terrorize people more, it becomes pretty clear you're not the type to do anything.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:06:09 2019 No.21253365

>>21228716
>keep in mind leaving Gensokyo isn't "difficult" and you don't need to be a youkai to do it;
Why do you think that? We know outsiders can leave, but there is literally zero evidence that the same is true for villagers. Which makes sense considering that the towns population would almost certainly collapse if they did that.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:10:26 2019 No.21253384

>>21228939
>Then why didn't he become Taoist?
Because that's really hard and dangerous.

>Why didn't he try to become a sage?
Why do you think that's easy? Literally the only people to hold such a title in Gensokyo are basically god queens.

>Why didn't he visit Myouren temple?
Because he wasn't a idealistic hippie.

>Why didn't he off himself outside of village?
Because his plan required his death to be public. If he just offed himself in the wood nobody would know what exactly happened to him.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:14:21 2019 No.21253404 Reminder that you would all be just as miserable living in Gensokyo as you are now. Expect you would be poor, hungry, and without anything fun like games, anime, or the internet.

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:43:20 2019 No.21253506
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>>21253404
Not for long. I would spend all day, every day learning Magic so that I can transform myself and soul into a Dragon and use my blood and perhaps the souls of the dead I killed to create loyal (fake) dragon servants and cute (fake) dragon girls.

Then I'll LARP as a dragon, take over a mountain, create a dragon castle roost, ethnically cleanse the native youkai populace there, and have my dragon children steal shit for me to build a hoard. I'll probably even steal the Hakurai Shrine donation box.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:45:46 2019 No.21253514 >>21253506 >I'll probably even steal the Hakurai Shrine donation box. You fucking MONSTER!!!

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 12:46:22 2019 No.21253517 File: 514 KB, 221x231, THE CRIMSON SLASHER.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21253506 >I'll probably even steal the Hakurai Shrine donation box Knock knock, did somebody call for a dragon exterminator?

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 13:04:02 2019 No.21253620

humans are at their natural rest under the lovely patronage of the shintoists and yokai. Although they foolishly seek freedom, they would never know what to do without the guiding hand of Lady Yukari, It would be disastrous for humans if they led themselves. It's better to just keep praying to our Shintoist gods and Buddhist sages to look after us.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 13:05:54 2019 No.21253636 >>21253404 I am posting from gensokyo, connecting to the internet through the 妖力 network. I am fine. You were saying?

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 13:06:36 2019 No.21253643 File: 204 KB, 462x559, you_monster.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21253506 >I'll probably even steal the Hakurai Shrine donation box.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 13:12:24 2019 No.21253694 >>21253506 >Turn yourself into a dragon Does Gensokyo have any knowledge on western dragons? Wouldn't you lose your penis? Can humans have dragon babies?

Anonymous Sun Apr 28 15:19:00 2019 No.21254378
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>>21252727
A small few who are very, very dedicated.
In all fairness even if we grant that her genocide comment back in PC-98 was completely genuine, her Windows iteration is fairly reserved and clearly not the type that likes to cause trouble. She'll kill you, sure, but only if you provoke her on purpose. Considering how few and unimportant her appearances in canon material are after PoFV (which can admittedly be attributed to her being a PC-98 survivor), it's likely that she just wants to live in peace and isolation while making the occasional trip to the village. And since I'm sure the concept of peace, quiet and little to no association with the overarching drama of the community sounds tempting to certain individuals, you have your answer.

>>	Anonymous Sun Apr 28 20:31:24 2019 No.21255901 >>21253506 >Turning into a dragon. Literally the dumbest possible thing you can do as a villain. If it didn't work out for the mistress of all evil, it won't work out for you. >>21253636 Lies. Show me evidence that you are in Gensokyo

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 03:39:17 2019 No.21257810 >>21255901 >Literally the dumbest possible thing you can do as a villain. When did turning yourself into a dragon make you a villain? When did mass-kleptomania make you a villain? There is no malicious intent.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 04:11:12 2019 No.21257875 >>21257810 >When did turning yourself into a dragon make you a villain? When you include killing into the mix.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 06:40:06 2019 No.21258272 >>21257875 Killing isn't really evil when they were living shit lives in the first place and were going to die in it. I made them into cute girls, that obviously absolve me of any kind of "evil" I did.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 10:26:02 2019 No.21258882 >>21258272 Morality is objective, anon. Killing is evil

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 12:24:55 2019 No.21259366 >>21258882 >Killing is evil Don't worry they're big guys.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 14:33:15 2019 No.21259772 >>21258882 Expect killing youkai. That is a good deed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Apr 29 23:15:48 2019 No.21261707 >>21258882 Morality is objective, killing is evil? You kill thousands of insects every day driving to work, and the intelligence difference between the greatest youkai and a human is larger than the difference between you and those insects.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 01:09:28 2019 No.21262014 File: 214 KB, 500x500, Lich.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] If one becomes a Lich will Reimu be able to ignore you have to destroy the phylactery to truly kill them rule?

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 01:26:17 2019 No.21262052 >>21262014 Miko exist so take a wild guess.

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 01:31:35 2019 No.21262062

>>21262052
Can we really call Miko a Lich though? If I'm remembering correctly she put her soul into a sword and therefore the blade taking on an incarnated form while a Lich is a being which places its soul into a object, but still operates its intellect/consciousness from its old body which will no matter the damage regenerate.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 01:53:56 2019 No.21262112 >>21262062 Different methods, same result so yeah.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 02:05:09 2019 No.21262146 >>21262112 But the results aren't the same.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 02:13:43 2019 No.21262167 >>21262146 Oh really? And I here I thought that lichdom is mainly about cheating death. Thank you anonymous poster, at last I truly see.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 11:32:41 2019 No.21264161 >>21262167 That's the Hollywood version.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 15:01:46 2019 No.21265094 >>21262167 The original Lich, Koschei was just a powerful wizard who wanted to fuck a princess and rule shit until he got trapped in a basement and starved out of water.

Anonymous Tue Apr 30 15:13:17 2019 No.21265127

>>21264161
>That's the Hollywood version
Let's translate this into "the most used version". That's DnD. In DnD liches are entering lichdom because they want obtain power and prolong their lives so they can study more magic. Exactly what Miko did.
>>21265094
The original Prince Shōtoku wasn't Taoist but a politician that ended up on Japanese bills.

>>	Anonymous Tue Apr 30 20:36:59 2019 No.21266623 >>21265127 >That's DnD Lel

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 06:06:50 2019 No.21268684 >>21265127 Which version of DnD.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 09:17:02 2019 No.21269299 >>21196650 Is hell a criticism of capitalism? In Maribel and Renko's stories the narrator also says that capitalism destroyed the world

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 09:48:42 2019 No.21269424 >>21269299 Nah, those weren't true capitalism.

Anonymous Wed May 1 09:57:43 2019 No.21269445

I think the society of Gensokyo is pretty aristocratic, even though it does not have a daimyo. The villagers look up to noble houses like Hieda, and religious institutions like the Hakurei Shrine, to maintain security and order in Gensokyo. Conflicts are decided between a minor elite of aristocratic origin (Remilia, Kaguya, Yuyuko, Miko, Shimmy). There are quite clear lines between servants and masters, which enforces this elitist view of weaker characters being subjects to stronger ones.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 11:29:08 2019 No.21269849 >>21269445 That's because it is.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 13:45:03 2019 No.21270638 >>21196650 begone faggot!

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 19:47:50 2019 No.21272096 >>21270638 No, I have a right to be here.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 1 20:17:07 2019 No.21272244 File: 585 KB, 832x624, 1554430991310.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21269299 There we have it, the end of all 2hu power discussions None of the others matter Because Jo'on and her greed win

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 08:39:44 2019 No.21274494 >>21269445 Both the human village and the larger Gensokyo are very aristocratic. Especially considering around 90% of human power in Gensokyo is focused around one family, the Hakurei´s.

Anonymous Thu May 2 08:43:38 2019 No.21274503

>>21269299
>Is hell a criticism of capitalism?
No. But Touhou is, to a almost communist degree. Everything wrong with the future in Maribel and Renko´s time is related to capitalism.

That´s also one of the reasons why Gensokyo is obviously supposed to be a place. Everything we learn about the place makes it pretty evident that it´s incredibly capitalist as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 10:38:10 2019 No.21274988 File: 295 KB, 1158x1600, __yorigami_jo_on_and_yorigami_shion_touhou_drawn_by_roki_hirokix__e615feb140dda895aa6c341d378f9710.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21272244 Best girl wins again.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 11:19:50 2019 No.21275187 >>21274503 >Gensokyo is obviously supposed to be a place What did he mean by this?

Anonymous Thu May 2 11:53:58 2019 No.21275329

>>21269445
>>21274503
Touhou is pseudophilosophical at best, so don't take its analysis of society as something "omg so deep".
The superstitious and traditional society of Gensokyo is mainly meant to be a contrast to the modern scientific and industrial society of the outside world.
Hell's extreme meritocracy in turn is mainly just used as a way to make Clownpiece's powerlevels seem higher than earlier established. Hell also serves as a contrast to the Tengu society, which seemingly has a very strong hierarchy.
At no point is it even trying to say"hurr Capitalism bad".

Anonymous Thu May 2 16:36:33 2019 No.21276478

>>21275187
What I meant was "Bad place".

It is also a place though.

>>21275329
Why do you think basic criticism of capitalism is "so deep"?

>The superstitious and traditional society of Gensokyo is mainly meant to be a contrast to the modern scientific and industrial society of the outside world
Yes, and part of the contrast is that it's just as bad, if not worse, for much the same reason. In both societies, the people that benefit from suffering are blood drinking parasites. It's just more literal in Gensokyo.

Anonymous Thu May 2 16:47:58 2019 No.21276522

>>21276478
I think the real question is how the hell did clownpiece get as high rank as she did? I mean she's strong but not compared too some of the serious shit in hell like the kishins or the yama's, but she out ranks them being the assistant of one of the major goddesses of hell. For example if it truly was just a meritocracy eiki would be hilariously high up too.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 16:51:44 2019 No.21276540 >>21276522 Clownpiece can probably beat a lot of stronger foes through sheer endurance. Since, you know, you can't exactly kill her. Hecatia also seems to have taken a liking to her, meaning it might be a example of nepotism as well.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 17:15:36 2019 No.21276625 >>21276540 I don't know about that cause it's explicitly stated that fairies have a massive problem surviving in hell hence why there are a bunch less of them.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 17:26:52 2019 No.21276664 >>21276625 Aren't fairies supposed to be, like, immortal nature spirits?

Anonymous Thu May 2 20:06:45 2019 No.21277531

>>21276478
>Why do you think basic criticism of capitalism is "so deep"?
Because young American left wingers pick it up as something special and deep, thinking it is exclusive only to their ideology.

I would say Gensokyo's economic system is way different from the western capitalism of outerworld. It is much closer to feudal economy.

Anonymous Thu May 2 21:23:07 2019 No.21277828

>>21276664
They can die or fade away if there's not enough life energy in the area they are in. And since there's basically fuck all in hell, hell fairies have shit times there. It's also why the moon has absolutely shit all for fairies, because life energy is impure too the moon bitches. Honestly if clownpiece is strong enough too be hecatia's right hand despite the difficulties fairies have in hell she's probably originally supposed too be a fairy queen or some shit but since she's from hell shit went sideways.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 2 21:26:06 2019 No.21277844 >>21277828 This is also probably why she over most fairies has an actual hat.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 04:06:19 2019 No.21279349 >>21274988 That ain't Shion.

Anonymous Fri May 3 08:26:29 2019 No.21280115

>>21277531
The problem with it being a feudal economy is that it doesn't have any nobility. The "might makes right" mentality of most youkai is much closer to modern day capitalism than the divine right most nobles used to defend their abuse of the common people.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 3 08:44:13 2019 No.21280182 >>21276522 Hec is a lolicon and a momhu, she keeps Piece around as her daughterwife.

Anonymous Fri May 3 08:51:22 2019 No.21280201

>>21277828
Hell just suits Clownpiece more, which is why she seeks out warm, dark places to live. Her nature is naturally inclined to the conditions of Hell, nothing more. That's why she's so strong in Hell but needed augmentation from Junko for the Moon and is no different from the average fairy on Gensokyo's surface.

Anonymous Fri May 3 10:19:49 2019 No.21280572

>>21276540
>>21276664
>>21277828
Fairies can't win through endurance. As far as we know, if they die they die, and they only get back up with the new day. So, if Clappy lost a fight and died during it, that's really just a permanent loss unless she died just before dawn or something.

>>21280201
Junko's purification just made her pure lifeforce, not actually tougher or anything. She equates herself to a Kishin's level... of impure lifeforce, which is why Lunarians can't touch her. Presumably she's still strong outside of hell, also. There's not really any reason to believe she isn't. It's not that fairies who move away from their place of nature get weaker, it's "if their nature disappears", that's what kills and weakens them. Since Hell still exists, if you consider Clappy a hell fairy, she should still be fine. If hell ceased to be, so would she. This is how fairies like Cirno exist outside of Winter. She's an "ice" fairy, not a winter fairy. Ice is always a thing, conceptually, and always around in some capacity.

Clownpiece's ability as a hell fairy is also exceptional as stated by Hecatia, who notes that she was picked because she was strong, and that even kishin can be smallfry in Hell. Clownpiece wasn't. She is exceptional, even beyond a fairy being exceptional. She's simply powerful, and nothing has ever suggested she is weakened outside of hell.

But yeah don't make stuff up.

Anonymous Fri May 3 10:23:31 2019 No.21280589

>>21280115
What I meant by feudal economy, was the economy of Feudal Japan. Modern capitalism is based on stock-exchange and service-based industry, while that of Gensokyo's is mostly agriculture.

Gensokyo certainly has nobility, like earlier anon pointed out, but I do not know did the japanese nobility claim to gain their power via divine right.
Most youkai seem to live in a natural state of anarchy, where might really makes right. In this sense, youkai live in a ruleless state like animals despite being sentient. They are evil spirits, after all, and a stronger spirit is naturally going to have its way with weaker ones.

Anonymous Fri May 3 13:24:04 2019 No.21281450

>>21280572
>There's not really any reason to believe she isn't. It's not that fairies who move away from their place of nature get weaker, it's "if their nature disappears", that's what kills and weakens them.
That's a non sequitur. Them being able to die or take actual damage when they stray from their nature (what Eiki actually says) says nothing about whether they get stronger or weaker when the power of their nature is present (what I actually said).

What I had said is that they get stronger or weaker in relation to their nature, which we observe with the Three Fairies in relation to light, Lily in relation to the coming of spring, Eternity in relation to the lifecycles of insects, and to a limited extent Cirno in relation to "cold" (which isn't exactly a thing in and of itself but a relative state). There's no reason to believe a lampad fairy like Clownpiece isn't the same.

Clownpiece equates her refined form to a Kishin's level, she herself implies that her power increased with the refining, not just that she was able to spread impurity more effectively. Unless you can provide proof that the refining doesn't, stop your headcanon.

Nothing suggests that she is notably strong outside of Reisen's comment during LoLK, she hasn't done anything of note in regards to what you imply is her great strength. She's handled the same by the cast as the other fairies are without any note of greater difficulty. She shows similar strengths and weaknesses as other fairies when away from her element (bad in winter/cold, good in summer/heat). Can you provide anything that's not your headcanon that shows anything about her great strength?

Anonymous Fri May 3 14:12:52 2019 No.21281715

>>21280589
I suppose that is fair. Even if i'm pretty sure that, despite it being a agricultural society, we don't actually see many farms any time the place is portrayed.

The human nobility of Gensokyo seem to mostly derive their power from Reimu and the youkai sages, as well as simple money. I'm pretty sure the old nobles of japan did heavily derive their "right" to rule from the divine. At the very least, I know their emperor did.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 00:04:57 2019 No.21284411 >>21281715 >The human nobility of Gensokyo seem to mostly derive their power from Reimu and the youkai sages, as well as simple money. As it should be.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 05:03:07 2019 No.21285635 >>21284411 >Deriving your power from a unstable woman child and the most evil youkai/gods still alive. >As it should be. Wrong. Democracy is the only way.

Anonymous Sat May 4 08:22:50 2019 No.21286202
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>>21285635
You're unironically right, but the Human Village is too dumb to understand the concept of freedom and would just turn into a dictatorship. In order for democracy (especially a Republic) to work you need a decently educated populace (Human Village is far from educated), a strong industry to support themselves (Any form of industrial technology is foreign to the Human village),. and most importantly enough time/secured society in order to create it (Which is impossible because of Youkai spies/Surrounded by Youkai and powerful families stopping the poor/unwilling to break up their rings and will have to be forced to) otherwise you get turmoil and democracy failing like the French or an Oligarchic Republic like the Romans.

What the human village currently needs is a literal benevolent dictator/consul/archon who wants the best interest for the humans and is capable of organizing them to fuck up the Youkai and secure the foundations of a self-sustaining human society with republican values. Sadly this isn't what the Youkai want and what they fear will happen if a powerful enough Human appears and why they were shitting themselves when Miko popped up, but turned out to be a hack. and most likely doesn't know what a republic is.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 08:29:24 2019 No.21286232 I sleep warmly knowing Lady Yukari and all the shintoist, buddhist, and taoist sages of gensokyo keep us safely where we belong

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 08:31:38 2019 No.21286241 >>21286232 Go to bed youkai.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 10:36:46 2019 No.21286807 >>21286241 Not a Youkai.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 12:15:28 2019 No.21287183 >>21286232 >Implying the Taoist, Buddhists, and shintoist aren't plotting to usurp Yukari and wipe out the youkai sages. A new world can only be build on top of the bones of the old one. And Kanako, Miko, and Byakuren all want to create a new world.

Anonymous Sat May 4 12:20:00 2019 No.21287207

>>21286202
I do, sadly enough, have to agree. I still think Miko is the best hope for a strong human leader, but I don't think she's going to try to make such a move on her own. Perhaps if Reimu finally realizes just what it is she is supporting, then the kind of change the human villagers need might become a reality.

Anonymous Sat May 4 15:37:12 2019 No.21288141

>>21281715
Most likely Gensokyo's villagers practice an Open-field system, which means that each family has one specific part of the agricultural land, which they use for farming. The wealthy seem to derive their wealth from trading, as I remember the death of a merchant in Forbidden Scrollery was a pretty big event due to his wealth and importance.

The Hieda family may gain their privilege from having a reincarnating chronicler. When thinking about it, the Hieda seem to be the only family whom we may classify as being aristocratic.

If the above is true, Gensokyo's privileged class may be quite diverse, as it includes people who derive their power from birth and from wealth. it would be a mixture of oligarchs and aristocrats. However, we never see how much power either have. Hieda seem to be revered due to their knowledge on youkai and skill to reincarnate.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:42:56 2019 No.21288169 File: 233 KB, 410x459, powerless aya.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21196650

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 15:50:25 2019 No.21288203 >>21287183 Without Yukari present Eirin makes up 99.9% of Gensokyo's collective intelligence just like she did on the moon. Yukari is necessary for Gensokyo to not be Moon 2.

Anonymous Sat May 4 15:53:55 2019 No.21288223

>>21286202
>>21287207
The parliamentary system in USA, Germany, England and Japan was created by the privileged classes, not by commoners. If Gensokyo wants to have even a semi-democratic parliament, the liberal bourgeoisie must pressure the aristocrats like the Hieda and the Hakurei to implement acts for greater political participation.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 18:32:25 2019 No.21289039 >>21288223 >US >Parliamentary system

>>	Anonymous Sat May 4 22:28:24 2019 No.21290606 >>21289039 Last time I checked, USA had a parliament.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 08:24:25 2019 No.21293441 >>21290606 No we dont

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 09:02:15 2019 No.21293646 >>21293441 Well what system do you have then? I thought you were part of the "Democratic West"?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 10:22:50 2019 No.21294067 File: 408 KB, 839x963, __kijin_seija_touhou_drawn_by_marsen__9a5dfc630c67ccb06df25a94e4bbca50.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21214187 She wants to help the poor and downtrodden

Anonymous Sun May 5 14:40:23 2019 No.21295549

>>21293646
Parliament =/ Congress
Parliaments are legislatures with sole authority (Either vested into them or they are made supreme); Britain, India, Germany. The key part to a Parliament is that the Executive is tied or under them.

The United States has a Congress which is convened from representatives and separated into two branches each with their responsibilities and authority/ who together pass laws. The Executive (President) is not part of the Legislature nor are they under the control of the Legislature nor does the Legislature reign supreme as the two balance each other out.

This is the basic difference of a Parliament and Congress that you should know from any type of high school social studies class. I could go further.

t. American

Anonymous Sun May 5 15:42:59 2019 No.21295888

>>21288141
>Most likely Gensokyo's villagers practice an Open-field system, which means that each family has one specific part of the agricultural land, which they use for farming.
Could be. Then again, considering how scarce farming land would be in a place as youkai invested as Gensokyo. They could also be collectivist sudo-communist substance farmers.

>The wealthy seem to derive their wealth from trading,
Here is the thing though. There is only one group of people merchants in the human village could trade with, youkai. That basically means that all of their wealth, and thus also what little power they have, is derived from youkai and their leaders. The connections, trust, and reputation necessary to trade with youkai being a privilege extended to a few families. In other words, they are basically just more aristocracy under the control of the youkai.

As for their overall power, I think it's surface level at best. They exist because they are useful, and would be wiped out the very moment they cease to be useful. Ultimately, there is only one human family in Gensokyo with real power. The hakurei clan.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:44:01 2019 No.21295893 >>21288203 Yukari is, unfortunately, too irredeemably evil to remain in the world of the living. She has to die for the sake of a new future, no way about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 5 15:45:24 2019 No.21295901 >>21288223 There is no such thing as a liberal bourgeoisie in Gensokyo. Like I said, all of the rich are basically just aristocracy under the control of youkai.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 6 05:12:40 2019 No.21298970 File: 148 KB, 850x927, kijin_seija_touhou.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21295901 We got Seija.

Anonymous Mon May 6 05:52:37 2019 No.21299068

How to fuck with the Human Village.
Step 1. Learn Magic
Step 2. Take a bunch of unowned land and turn it into farmland.
Step 3. Plant all manners of crops and use golems and elementals to manage and protect them.
Step 3.5 Make the crops addictive and delicious using Magic
Step 4. Literally crash the feudal economy by selling as many of your crops as low as possible to undermine all competition
Step 5. Buy out as many materials as you can to make clothing.
Step 6. Use magic to make modern comfortable clothing and push out all competition selling it low prices.
Step 7. Use money to buy housing and modernize it using magic to drive up the real estate price of villagers homes and force them to take loans as you open up a bank.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 6 07:16:12 2019 No.21299330 >>21196650 Humans ruled by evil magic creatures that eat humans. Seems legit to me.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 6 11:32:31 2019 No.21300359 >>21299330 Him and can't govern themselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 6 14:23:12 2019 No.21301154 >>21300359 Humans are amazing at governing ourselves. We literally took over the planet, wiped out most gods and youkai, and are about to claim the entire universe for ourselves.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 6 16:24:11 2019 No.21301761 >Average height of Japanese men between 1602 and 1867 is estimated at only 5 feet 1 inch. The Human Village is filled with absolute manlets.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 03:48:55 2019 No.21304561 >>21301761 pathetic.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:21:50 2019 No.21305766 >>21304561 The women were even smaller. Even a 5'11' manlet is a giant compared to the residents of Gensokoyo.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:48:09 2019 No.21305922 >>21301761 It was 5'5-6 or so for Europe in the same time period Humans as a whole became taller once we mechanized the sea lanes and could get good nutrition consistently

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:50:01 2019 No.21305938 >>21299068 You forgot "get assassinated by Yukari since managing internal security is literally her fucking job"

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 10:56:52 2019 No.21305969 >>21299068 That's a gap or backdoor by step 3.9

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:22:12 2019 No.21306084 >>21305938 Can't have an uprising now, do we?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:23:43 2019 No.21306091 >>21306084 Well she quite likes gensokyo and everything turning into fuck would ruin it

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:33:56 2019 No.21306156 >>21298970 I don't think she's rich.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:35:10 2019 No.21306165 >>21301761 Also beta as fuck. Most village girls would crave a decent outsider husband.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 11:37:49 2019 No.21306177 >>21306084 I proudly report any mischief to the nearest secret youkai officer. I have tipped off several about this very thread, and hope to use some of the reward money to offer back to the youkai and kami-sama who protect our way of life

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 12:15:35 2019 No.21306386 >>21298970 Seija is still a youkai. Helping human would be the last thing she wanted to do.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 13:46:37 2019 No.21306822 >>21306177 You idiot. Yukari is exactly the kind of villain that would go "I will reward you as a traitor deserves" and kill you after you sell out your fellow humans.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 14:19:41 2019 No.21307009 >>21306822 But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 15:26:52 2019 No.21307389 >>21307009 Gensokyo is pretty much fantasy 1984.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 15:56:58 2019 No.21307544 >>21299068 How does selling a large quantity of crops at low prices crash the economy? Wouldn't this just make a surplus and allow the human village to grow as everyone is fed and grow bigger?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 16:33:07 2019 No.21307693 >>21307544 you would be flooding the market, driving your competition out of business as you devalue their products immensely and only you are acclimated for it.

Anonymous Tue May 7 16:43:47 2019 No.21307728

>>21307693
Alright. Aside from the addictive magical drugging how is that bad per say? Shouldn't it be the responsible of the human farmers to be better at providing a decent commodity as fast as they can, as cheap as they, can make a profit from it. Why do they say Yukari would intervene if the mage in question is doing an overall good.

Competition isn't necessarily healthy or needed.

Anonymous Tue May 7 16:52:56 2019 No.21307776

>>21307728
because one this mage does this they can buy up their competitors for cheap, gain a monopoly on the market, and then set their prices higher. Competition needs to be regulated by Lady Yukari for it to be truly free and for it to truly provide a cheap, quality product. The under side of the coin has a race to the bottom, providing the lowest quality product for highest reasonable price. This needs to be regulated as well to keep the quality of the product in check and stop producers from taking advantage of the consumer.

Anonymous Tue May 7 18:57:37 2019 No.21308420

>>21295888
>Here is the thing though. There is only one group of people merchants in the human village could trade with, youkai.
I disagree. Although most of the population lives in the village, there may still be people outside the village. Even if there were none, another possibility is that the village is much larger than we expected, and merchants produce their own products. Take the salt merchant as an example. He may well have owned a salt mine.

The youkai on the other hand are far from being united. All of them form their own factions who have their own leaders. On the other hand, youkai may well try and influence village's politics by allying themselves with said merchants. If the salt merchant allied himself with the kappa, the tengu would not have accepted the situation, but seeke an ally of their own (like Aya did with Kosuzu).

Anonymous Tue May 7 20:24:14 2019 No.21308783

>>21308420
>there may still be people outside the village.
Do you have any evidence for that? I mean, it's true that people like Marisa exist. But a actual community you could trade with? That seems VERY unlikely.

>Even if there were none, another possibility is that the village is much larger than we expected, and merchants produce their own products.
The village is pretty large, all things considered. But I still very much doubt it has easy access to vital resources. Most of Gensokyo is, arguably correctly, viewed as pretty dangerous to human life. It's very hard to start something as big as a salt mine in such a environment. At least, without permission from the local youkai lords. Which means we are basically just back to them being a aristocracy utterly under the thumb of youkai.

>On the other hand, youkai may well try and influence village's politics by allying themselves with said merchants.
Well, it's more like they put that merchant and his family under their control. But otherwise, I do imagine that's probably how it works.

Anonymous Tue May 7 21:11:54 2019 No.21309004

>>21308783
>Do you have any evidence for that?
No.

>Most of Gensokyo is, arguably correctly, viewed as pretty dangerous to human life.
Yet people have no problem in moving outside of village's borders. They visit shrines pretty often, and do not seem to be heavily armed. A random salt mine thus does not seem so difficult to manage during the day. Then again, by allying with youkai "lords", they could gain these rights.

>Which means we are basically just back to them being a aristocracy utterly under the thumb of youkai.
No, we are not. Partnership does not mean bending over somebody. Besides, there is no evidence about whether they deal with youkai, at least knowingly, and all we have is a hypothesis. Mamizou did not show up on Akyuu's door with a baseball bat, but tried to sweet talk her propaganda through. The death of aalt merchant was also pretty strange, if the man knew about youkai. Certainly, he would have sensed the ghost horse, if he had encountered youkai before. It would also be weird for the youkai to just suddenly let their hypothetical ally or puppet die. If all of the youkai are at war with each other, none would have really wanted to lose him and the influence he brought.

Anonymous Tue May 7 21:22:47 2019 No.21309048

At what point does Yukari care enough to intervene. If I just became supe rpowerful and start mass-murdering Youkai (No matter the kind) 24/7 and destroying large swathes of land will it eventually get Yukari to do something about me? Or will she not care as long as I don't mess with the Human Village.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 7 21:39:40 2019 No.21309147 >>21309048 She cares about the human village/youkai balance, not just the village itself so yeah, you are getting gap/oni/backdoor'd when you start mass-murdering youkai and nobody else can or care enough to stop you

Anonymous Wed May 8 04:02:50 2019 No.21310416

>>21309004
>No.
Fair enough.

>They visit shrines pretty often, and do not seem to be heavily armed.
It's been mentioned that traveling to the Hakurei Shrine is a pretty dangerous and long journey. Which is one of the reasons why Reimu doesn't get that many visitors. And that's still one of the safer places in Gensokyo compared to the Bamboo forest or the youkai mountain.

>Partnership does not mean bending over somebody.
In a relationship as unequal as youkai and human villagers, it kind of does though. The youkai are more or less holding all the cards. Especially if the resource they need to run their business is only located in one part of Gensokyo. They either need to shut up and do what is told, or lose their entire business.

>Certainly, he would have sensed the ghost horse, if he had encountered youkai before.
Just because he could have sensed them doesn't mean there's a whole lot he could do about it. He's a old fart that runs a salt mine, not a youkai exterminator.

>It would also be weird for the youkai to just suddenly let their hypothetical ally or puppet die.
Again, he probably just died before his benefactors knew what was going on.

Anonymous Wed May 8 07:18:15 2019 No.21310956

>>21310416
>In a relationship as unequal as youkai and human villagers, it kind of does though. The youkai are more or less holding all the cards. Especially if the resource they need to run their business is only located in one part of Gensokyo. They either need to shut up and do what is told, or lose their entire business.
Then again, the merchant could establish a mutual partnership, which would benefit the youkai as the merchant could trade salt for certain products. Besides, salt mines are not necessarily found in mountains. The mine may as well be in his backyard, but this way we are going off-topic.

>Just because he could have sensed them doesn't mean there's a whole lot he could do about it. He's a old fart that runs a salt mine, not a youkai exterminator.
Or y'know, could've called Reimu, Akyuu or even his youkai buddies for help, and make up a story about being targeted by youkai for the former two.

Anonymous Wed May 8 07:30:10 2019 No.21310985

>>21310956
>Then again, the merchant could establish a mutual partnership, which would benefit the youkai as the merchant could trade salt for certain products.
I don't think such a relationship could ever be entirely mutual. At best it would be similar to the kind of trade exploitation colonial empires often engaged in.

Still, I do agree that a somewhat more mutual relationship is possible if a source of resources is located very close to the human village. I imagine a lot of smaller shopkeepers and farmers, people too small to be worth controlling but still selling stuff youkai want, would have such a relationship. Even if they probably don't realize that they are selling to youkai.

Anonymous Wed May 8 08:06:23 2019 No.21311127

>>21310985
>trade exploitation colonial empires
This analogy is unfortunately wrong, because colonial exploitation is mainly based on taking the resources of certain people. The village needs resources, as it already has manyfacturers.

If the youkai already have an indirect partnership with minor villagers, they could just as well have one with the wealthier, similar to how Mamizou tries to gain influence through pretending to be a human.

Anonymous Wed May 8 10:09:58 2019 No.21311556 [DELETED]

>>21311127
I suppose that is fair. But I still think it's a relationship based more on exploitation rather than mutual partnership. It's putting a few people into a better position than the rest of the village, and then using that privileged position to keep them in check. There is nothing more terrifying to the rich than becoming poor, after all.

Anonymous Wed May 8 10:15:09 2019 No.21311574

>>21311127
>This analogy is unfortunately wrong, because colonial exploitation is mainly based on taking the resources of certain people.
I suppose that's fair. But I still find it extremely unlikely that it would be a "mutual" partnership. I don't feel that's what Mamizou was aiming for, nor do I think it's what most youkai would aim for. I think it's more likely that they would uplift a merchant family above the rest of the villagers, and then use the fear of losing that position to maintain control over them. There is nothing more terrifying to somebody that is rich than becoming poor, after all.

>>21310956
>Or y'know, could've called Reimu, Akyuu or even his youkai buddies for help, and make up a story about being targeted by youkai for the former two.
I don't think they had the chance to do that. The moment the ghost appeared, he was pretty much dead. He didn't even have enough time to scream or leave some kind of final message.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 8 10:22:06 2019 No.21311610 File: 2.06 MB, 3776x2160, 1557185343803.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21301154 >and are about to claim the entire universe for ourselves Yeah, sure we are.

Anonymous Wed May 8 10:29:20 2019 No.21311646

>>21311610
We've already exterminated most of the youkai and divine population of the world. After we've wiped out the lunarians, there is little to oppose us in claiming the entire universe for ourselves.

Or do you think the Touhou universe is secretly a cosmic horror story?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 8 10:38:45 2019 No.21311689 >>21311646 >We've already exterminated most of the youkai and divine population of the world You say that as if humans were actively fighting against them or something.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 8 10:41:00 2019 No.21311693 >>21311689 Exactly. We literally wiped them out by accident. Exterminated our biggest enemy basically without even trying. Imagine what we can do if we actually want to commit genocide. The lunarians are finished.

Anonymous Wed May 8 11:10:17 2019 No.21311819

>>21311693
humans are busy destroying themselves. A life on earth will be utterly wiped out by human hands before they even think of banding together against the Lunarians. And people someone pretend like life is so awful under the benevolent rule of youkai and kami.

Anonymous Wed May 8 12:14:56 2019 No.21312108

>>21311819
You fool. Humanity is not destroying itself. It is merely learning the responsibility associated with the unlimited power it now posses. Something the vile youkai and selfish kami will never understand.

Their time is over. Death is the only path left for them. The few humans they still torment cruelty will soon be free.

>>	Anonymous Wed May 8 12:51:00 2019 No.21312282 >>21307693 >>21307776 Yukari shouldn't intervene in the action of the free market. Its not the mage fault that the villagers are incapable savages who can't compete.

Anonymous Wed May 8 12:57:10 2019 No.21312305

>>21311819
>benevolent rule of youkai and kami
It sure is nice getting your ass raped by Zues just for walking down the street. It sure is nice getting attacked for trying to visit family. It sure is nice having 20% of a population literally die because Youkai and Kami don't produce any fucking medicine to prevent this. Its nice to take a shit in a tolier and flush it instead of shitting on the streets or doing nothing except farm work all day.

Not him, but you kind of need to fuck off with this shit. Human rule has improved human quality of life like there is no tomorrow.

Anonymous Wed May 8 15:23:41 2019 No.21312952

>>21312305
I've used outhouses and they're pretty comfy.
Lack of medicine means people die off and there's more land for the rest.
Working on your farm is pleasant as long as you have draft animals, though I'll give you that it's nice to be able to fulfill yourself doing more intellectual stuff. Then again nothing is preventing you from trying some innovations in farming.

Anonymous Wed May 8 17:38:23 2019 No.21313565

>>2131157
Fair enough. Of course it would never be completely mutual, or be striven to be mutual in the eyes of the characters, as the same thing can happen in our world. However, a "mutual relationship" this way would still mean that both parties profit from it. The people get the resources, and the youkai get the influence. Of course, the youkai would hold all the cards but considering their intense rival with each other, the people in power would then begin technically equalizing the amount of cards, as they themselves become a resource for the youkai. And as earlier suggested, the village elite may be part of the youkai power-struggle and their puppet without knowing it. But in the end, we are still at the beginning of what-if's, the youkai would hold all the power in the village, even probably unbeknownst to the elites themselves. This will most likely be never solved in any Touhou medium, amd we can only hope for some source from ZUN.

Wasn't the merchant corrupted by the horse over the course of a long time?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 8 17:43:27 2019 No.21313582 >>21312305 with gods around you get to live forever and without gods you don't

>>	Anonymous Thu May 9 02:03:05 2019 No.21315310 >>21313582 That doesn't make sense.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 9 06:19:57 2019 No.21315975 >>21313582 99% of Gods literally throw a cosmic temper tantrum the moment some moral finds out how to live forever.

Anonymous Thu May 9 06:25:49 2019 No.21315986

>>21313565
I agree that both parties do profit from it. But almost certainly at the expense of the rest of the human village. Who end up unknowingly serving the interest of their greatest enemies.

>the people in power would then begin technically equalizing the amount of cards, as they themselves become a resource for the youkai.
Resources don't have much power though. Especially if they don't know that they are being used. I also don't think that would work if the resource you need is very specific. Like, if there's only one salt mine in Gensokyo and it's located in the middle of Tengu territory. Then there isn't much a salt merchant can do expect blindly swear obedience.

>This will most likely be never solved in any Touhou medium, amd we can only hope for some source from ZUN.
Yes. All we do know is that 1: The youkai are competing for influence the human village. 2: This is a bad thing for the human villagers as a whole. The exact details are probably going to remain ambiguous.

>Wasn't the merchant corrupted by the horse over the course of a long time?
That's not the impression I got.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 9 06:27:46 2019 No.21315989 >>21313582 >>21313582 99% of Gods literally throw a cosmic temper tantrum the moment some mortal finds out how to live forever.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 9 11:08:04 2019 No.21317106 >>21315989 Name them instead of throwing accusations.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 9 12:51:20 2019 No.21317569 >>21317106 Not him, but the Olympic Gods threw a tantrum when man figured out fire.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 9 15:25:16 2019 No.21318199 >>21317106 Well, just in Touhou, there is literally a entire section of the afterlife devoted to killing people that try to live forever.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 05:11:47 2019 No.21321552 >>21318199 Proof

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 06:03:54 2019 No.21321683 >>21321552 ...Did you even read WaHH? Or PMISS?

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 11:33:43 2019 No.21323414 >>21321683 Unreliable narrators, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 10 12:18:19 2019 No.21323551 File: 318 KB, 905x1280, wahh_c12_p6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>21323414 >Unreliable Coming from a shinigami herself?

Anonymous Fri May 10 19:46:06 2019 No.21325593
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How tight is Miss Ayaya?
Her face is pretty for sure but if she's about as good as an onahole according to the image. I wonder if it's even worth it to ask her out. She's one of the only nice Youkai in Gensokyo

>>	Anonymous Sat May 11 02:56:33 2019 No.21327183 >>21313582 only if you serve them whether it be willingly or unwillingly.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 11 04:31:31 2019 No.21327479 >>21325593 Aya is like a thousand years old. If she had any interest in human men, then she's probably fucked people a million times more interesting than you already.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 11 11:41:13 2019 No.21329346 >>21327479 Aya is not a whore.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 11 12:52:29 2019 No.21329670 >>21327479 Aya is a fucking dork. She's trying to have smug facade but the moment you would show her your peepee she would get flustrated while covering her face.

>>	Anonymous Sat May 11 21:07:51 2019 No.21332010 >>21329346 You aren't a whore just because you remarry after your last husband died. >>21329670 Where the hell do you get that idea from? She isn't youmu.

>>	Anonymous Sun May 12 10:12:24 2019 No.21334865 >>21325593 Did the new pics get translated?

>>	Anonymous Sun May 12 22:27:48 2019 No.21338632 >>21334865 Sadly, no.

>>	Anonymous Mon May 13 06:44:33 2019 No.21340221 >>21338632 Why not? The others were translated quickly.

Anonymous Mon May 13 12:47:25 2019 No.21341750

>>21253354
It depends on the powerlevel of those youkai.

Gensokyo is a strange but sound system in unstable equilibrium. The villagers are descendant of really good youkai hunters, but by the sole fact that Gensokyo is a heaven for youkai not wishing to die, it has attracted the strongest youkai possible. In 1v1, or even 5v1, a human will die to a strong youkai. However, they are still needed for the continuing existence of youkai, and are still somewhere protected as a group, though not as an individual.

That mudle the ground immensely. No strong youkai want the death of all humans. Weak youkai can, because they are less intelligents, but weak youkai can be beaten by the human village.

This is all part and parcel of Gensokyo's life. It's an unstable equilibrium which work somewhat well, as of now. Humans want the death of youkai, but can't do it. Strong youkai don't want the death of humans, but weak youkai strill try occasionally.

Anonymous Mon May 13 19:23:01 2019 No.21343780 [DELETED]

>>21341750
>It depends on the powerlevel of those youkai.
Not really. The human villagers, as shown in the manga, seem pretty much completely unable to take out even the weakest of youkai. A far cry from the "everybody can fight youkai" human described in PCB.

In any case, Gensokyo is based on a fragile equilibrium. The humans want all of the youkai dead, but can't do it. The youkai want all of the humans dead, but need them too much. The moment the humans gain the power to defeat youkai, Gensokyo is finished. While the moment youkai no longer humanity, the entire village is going to get massacred. It's a horrible situation, all things considered. Pretty much the only person that could end it in a way without genocide is Reimu, and even that would require somehow killing Yukari and the other youkai sages.

Anonymous Mon May 13 19:30:57 2019 No.21343822

>>21341750
>It depends on the powerlevel of those youkai.
Not really. The human villagers, as shown in the manga, seem pretty much completely unable to take out even the weakest of youkai. A far cry from the "everybody can fight youkai" human described in PCB.

In any case, Gensokyo is based on a fragile equilibrium. The humans want all of the youkai dead, but can't do it. The youkai want all of the humans dead, but need them too much. The moment the humans gain the power to defeat youkai, Gensokyo is finished. While the moment youkai no longer need humans to survive, the entire village is going to get massacred. It's a horrible situation, all things considered. Pretty much the only person that could end it in a way without genocide is Reimu, and even that would require somehow killing Yukari and the other youkai sages.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 07:05:59 2019 No.21345919 >>21343822 You're just making excuses.

Anonymous Tue May 14 07:57:45 2019 No.21346085
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>>21196650
>Master race
Except it was the yook's inflexibility and inability to adapt to the changing sociopolitical situation worldwide that caused larger Japan to dump them for sweet Western empire building. When taken in context with contemporary Japanese communities of the time when they were sealed, the Human Village come off as thuggish, boorish bullies that nobody particularly misses from the other side of the border, taking out their frustrations on stranded outsiders and fairies in order to maintain a pitiful semblance of superiority, hence why it is fine for them to be locked in a people zoo.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 08:01:37 2019 No.21346097 >>21327479 She's a thousand years old, but her life's calling as a photographer is only a few decades old at best. She's at her life-s highpoint.

Anonymous Tue May 14 08:17:05 2019 No.21346140

>>21311693
>>21311819
>>21312108
The Lunarians "are" humans, you dolts. The entirety of their pending fall is completely due to them having fallen under the mortal sin of pride and slowly working to undo their own perfect empire by enacting irrational measures to hide the impurity that has gripped their society. By the time of the Secret Sealing Club, the Lunarians already destroyed their own civilization from hubris.

And the idea of "humanity" collectively doing anything is laughable. The Chinese might as well be (and quite possibly literally are) Lunarians that chose to embrace technology and rationalism instead of magic and mythism, and while you're busy trying to chase space rabbits, they'll be just as glad to use that downtime to consolidate their control over the terrestrial world, and thinking that you could possibly stop them without major labors or planning falls into the same line of thought that is dooming the latter.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 08:39:31 2019 No.21346203 >>21288169 That scene was so erotic. Please, don't bully me Aya!

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 12:02:22 2019 No.21347021 >>21345919 For what? Genocide? Killing yukari?

Anonymous Tue May 14 12:06:41 2019 No.21347037

>>21346085
>When taken in context with contemporary Japanese communities of the time when they were sealed, the Human Village come off as thuggish, boorish bullies that nobody particularly misses from the other side of the border, taking out their frustrations on stranded outsiders and fairies in order to maintain a pitiful semblance of superiority, hence why it is fine for them to be locked in a people zoo.
Where the fuck do you get this idea from? The only canonical information that we have about the founders of the human village is that they were people that bravely risked their life to protect the rest of japan from youkai. They were basically noble heroes fighting to keep the world save, not bullies.

They also downright revere outsiders. With anybody that decides to stay in Gensokyo pretty much becoming a overnight minor celebrity. Meanwhile, being taken to the human is one of the few ways for a outsider to become un-stranded.

There is literally no reason to view the human villagers as anything other than innocent victims. The worst thing they are implied to have done is occasionally get back at fairies that try to steal their stuff or play a prank on them. Which is as unreasonable as shooting a wolf that's trying to eat your sheep. Less so, in fact. Since wolves don't come back.

Anonymous Tue May 14 12:10:46 2019 No.21347059

>>21346140
>The Lunarians "are" humans, you dolts.
The lunarians betrayed their humanity by abandoning everything that made them human. Then also creating youkai to torment everybody left on earth. There is nothing human about them. At least, not anymore.

>By the time of the Secret Sealing Club, the Lunarians already destroyed their own civilization from hubris.
Source?

>And the idea of "humanity" collectively doing anything is laughable.
It's hard, but not impossible. And regardless, considering how a few astronauts alone were enough to devaste the lunarians. Even a minor alliance of countries would be enough to wipe out their entire society.

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 12:11:48 2019 No.21347065 >>21346097 Then, what do you think she was doing before photographer? And why do you think it didn't involve dicks going into her vagina?

>>	Anonymous Tue May 14 22:56:34 2019 No.21349593 >>21347065 who says so? my doujins have taught me that aya used to practice the old arts of prostitution

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 02:48:45 2019 No.21350376 "I think. Therefore I exist. No one else exists except myself for I am the only me." Why can't Youkai and Gods into Solipsism 101?

>>	Anonymous Wed May 15 18:35:55 2019 No.21353685 >>21350376 Maybe because it doesn't exist in Gensokyo? Either that or they just don't give enough of a shit.

Anonymous Wed May 15 21:24:51 2019 No.21354279

>>21353685
Then why do they care about existing or have their existence fade if Humans don't believe in them. If your existence is not a concern to you, then you do not exist.

If you believe your existence to be grounded on the fact of humans, then you do not exist. Existence is a state of persoal belief in which no one else can deny.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 03:30:13 2019 No.21355340 >>21350376 No one in Gensokyo's read the writings of ancient western philosophers because no one except Hecatia and Clappy can read ancient Greek moonrunes.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 05:14:26 2019 No.21355506 >>21355340 >Descartes is ancient Greek Huh?

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 05:26:54 2019 No.21355522 >>21355506 You can't go straight to Solipsism without having a basic foundation of western philosophy through Socrates and Aristotle.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 06:30:06 2019 No.21355647 >>21355522 "Anyone who thinks I'm a genius without valuing their own thought is an idiot" -Literal Socrates

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 07:47:34 2019 No.21355858 >>21350376 >Why can't Youkai and Gods into Solipsism 101? Because they are sapient memes. I doubt most of them even have souls.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 13:16:27 2019 No.21357351 >>21258882 >Morality is objective Just dropping by 17 days later to laugh at this post.

>>	Anonymous Thu May 16 14:14:39 2019 No.21357600 >>21357351 That's not a actual argument though.

Anonymous Thu May 16 21:33:30 2019 No.21359645

>>21355858
Just because you're a meme doesn't mean you cannot exist. How can something that doesn't exist preside over souls which shouldn't exist if the thing that presides over them doesn't exist.

The absence of existence is the existence of absence. That which exists to be presided over another, must exist to preside over what exists.

Anonymous Fri May 17 06:08:30 2019 No.21361197

>>21359645
>How can something that doesn't exist preside over souls which shouldn't exist if the thing that presides over them doesn't exist.
Because the memes that created you say you preside over souls. If humans believed you presided over sorting out candy wrappers. That's what you would do all day.

>That which exists to be presided over another, must exist to preside over what exists.
Human souls would exist even without some kind of afterlife to guide them.

>>	Anonymous Fri May 17 06:29:40 2019 No.21361246 >>21274988 I like her sister better.

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