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This thread is for the discussion of any and all works by Type-MOON, or Kinoko Nasu.

Download Links
>Kara no Kyoukai - The Garden of Sinners
Novels: https://emptyboundaries.wordpress.com/2011/07/25/kara-no-kyokai-translations-2/
Movies: https://nyaa.si/view/264295
Manga: https://junktheeater.wordpress.com/2018/12/25/kara-no-kyoukai-manga-covers/

>Tsukihime (月姫, Moon Princess)
Tsukihime
https://mega.nz/#!6TBSSTbR!4O6JYv1dyyRw7GQeHJ4NIUYUTQ--tuy9H8s69HgL5lY
Tsukihime PLUS-DISC
https://nyaa.si/view/453758
Tsukihime Kagetsu Tohya
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2502321
Tsukihime Manga (based on the Arc route)
https://mega.nz/#F!dRwwAZrT!uxmDDlwDTu3bgo9QIKgSrQ

>Melty Blood
Melty Blood PC games
https://nyaa.si/view/1042489
Melty Blood Manga (divided into two parts, the first part, spanning volumes 1-6, follows the original Melty Blood storyline. "2nd ACT" began spans volumes 7-9)
https://mega.nz/#F!syICRSJI!TeAS9ZVFSDQigguqxn_MwA
Melty Blood - Back Alley Alliance Nightmare
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/16jgRv-WneCDBF324U_MFsuguPFTt2J0S

>Fate/stay night
Fate/stay night [Réalta Nua]
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2386805
Fate/hollow ataraxia
https://sukebei.nyaa.si/view/2575055
Fate/Zero
https://readfag.wordpress.com/unedited/fatezero/

>Mahoutsukai no Yoru - Witch on the Holy Night
English: https://nyaa.si/view/943509
Français: https://github.com/IDerr/mahoyo-french/releases

Light Novels
>Angel Voice, 1999, K.Nasu & T.Takeuchi
http://www.mediafire.com/file/4w9jk2bwy8b0xsh/Angel_Notes.zip
>Coral of the Moon
https://www.mediafire.com/?uq1eqhccbxhxktx
>DDD - Decoration Disorder Disconnection
https://mega.nz/#!8BJQnaBK!kdrZ107A9Th4amk4RJoX81txOcMwR6OmyaULDtlt1no
>Fate/Apocrypha
https://fateapocryphathetranslation.wordpress.com/volume-1/pdf-and-epub-version-2/
>Fate/Strange Fake
http://humbertozero.tumblr.com/post/150696689780/how-to-read-fatestrange-fake-light-novel-read
>Fire Girl
https://firegirlthetranslation.wordpress.com/

Other Links
>Beast's Lair forum
forums.nrvnqsr.com
>Encyclopedia of Type Moon
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B49crU71miHObWRvV2tDUllYTjQ/edit?usp=sharing
>Fate/Complete Material II: Character Material
https://pastebin.com/Zjy1Sj6d (embed) (embed) (embed)
>Fate Franchise Loseless Soundtracks
https://mega.nz/#F!OQwx1DYA!1c0Dkm1VfOPpthg6etuU4g
>Fuyuki Rebuild
http://tatari.byethost33.com/
>Holy Grail 2.0 - original rips
https://mega.nz/#F!BA4yHYoT!NwGVKj4q9Z1vnpKlYY-4UQ
>Mirror Moon: Type-Moon Translation Projects/Patches
http://mirrormoon.org/
>TMdict: Glossaries from works by Type-Moon
tmdict.com/
>Tsuki-kan: A small Type-Moon site
tsukikan.com/
>Tsukihime doujins from 2008
https://mega.nz/#!fHgSVb5L!EPDHKU2KHLdjW1bM2b0-VV7WzrA9xPqrLnJTu0AkwyY
>Type-Moon Mega folders
https://mega.nz/#F!tBRTDDLT!6-uk9SmrvHKLFYU_3QTwgQ
https://mega.nz/#F!IEgnySDK!wvEo43UGmHFEKC1JBVykGw

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Best boy

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the fuck is the point of making Warc into a generic blushing school girl

>> No.21112827

>>21112820
Axia is kind of dumb. The entirety of Elesia's character exists solely within her mind. Shippers being retarded is nothing new, though.

>> No.21112829

>>21112820
>questioning the logic of retarded shippers

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Thicc Sion

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>> No.21112924

>>21112855
I wish I had my own personal Len.

>> No.21113036

>>21112827
When nothing has been officially done with a character for a long time you naturally start to give them traits of your own making.
Trust me, I'm going through that.

>> No.21113120

>>21112827
HEY AXIA I KNOW YOU CTRL-F THESE THREADS FOR ANY MENTION OF YOUR NAME OR CIEL'S NAME SO WHILE YOU'RE HERE HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED DRAWING ARCUEID RAVAGING CIEL'S CURRY HOLE WITH FUTA COCK AS WAS PLANNED TO HAPPEN BUT NEVER APPEARED IN TSUKIHIME PROPER OK THANKS BYE

>> No.21113340

Everyone I love is dead.

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just killing the mcjon translation caused a jump of 12 ranks.

weaponized /tmg/ autism

>> No.21113634

>>21113619
>Rance serie is stil 4th even though 90% of the games are already being worked on

>> No.21113861

>>21113619
Whats this license request for? Is it a translation team or what?

>> No.21113867

>>21113861
Mangagamer, a company that translate and sell VN / Eroge probably the only western company decent for that

>> No.21113871

>>21113861
mangagamer

>> No.21113884

I'm reading through Tsukihime again, and there's just something so casual about it that makes it easy to read. It feels a lot more laid back than other VNs.

>> No.21113928

>>21113871
>>21113867
Thanks
Thats exciting to see

>> No.21113937

>>21113928
it's a survey. The comapny doesn't have to follow it. And TM licencing fees cost far too much for it to really happen.

>> No.21113941

>>21113928
it's just a "this is what everyone wants pool", they're not going to go after whatever is at the top.

murmasa for example is a nitroplus title, and they have an exclusivity deal with JAST. so it's literally impossible for mangagamer to license it

>> No.21114039

>>21113120
I like this idea!
+1, but also anything involving Ciel's thighs would be nice too.
Thanks, Axia!

>> No.21114043

>>21113619
Damn, how are we so based.
Maybe it'll actually happen in 10 years or less.

>> No.21114084

>>21114039
Gross

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TL of that one Nasu blog post from over a year ago, where he clarified the difference between Fate and Tsuki:

It's commonly thought that TYPE-MOON's fiction... rather, the fiction that Kinoko Nasu creates for TYPE-MOON, exist "all in the same world," but the basic fundamental, which has been explained in bits and pieces until now, is that it splits into two major systems.
The Fate world where Heroic Spirits can be employed as Servants, and worlds where it's not possible to summon strong concepts like Heroic Spirits as something like "autonomous familiars", such as the Tsukihime world.
The foundation of the Fate world is "The Affirmation of Human History", since Heroic Spirits can be considered the lead roles,
but the foundation of the Tsukihime world is "The _______ of Human History", since the Dead Apostles, who are the antagonists, are the theme, so it's different.
So. In Tsukihime, a certain character... who was counted as one of the Twenty-Seven Ancestors, from the church... becomes a powerful Dead Apostle after a "certain encounter."
But in the Fate world, the "certain encounter" never happens to begin with, he never became a Dead Apostle or held the power to be counted as "one of the Ancestors," and the mystery began to degrade as well.
So there's the difference... the worlds' foundation is the same, but because the conditions are different, the way that the characters are is also different... I'm happy if you can enjoy it either way.

>> No.21114607

Just finished Tsukihime, whats next? Melty Blood or Kagetsu Tohya?

>> No.21114647

>>21114607
Plus Disc
KT
Melty Blood Re-act
Melty Blood Act Cadenza
Melty Blood AACC
Melty manga and drama cds

>> No.21114752

>>21114401
Thanks for the translation, anon. I hope we will know the "_______ " part soon

>> No.21114790

>>21114647
Thanks

>> No.21114887

>>21113619
>FSN
Who the fuck and why.

>> No.21114905

>>21114887
FSN has never had an official localization, and all we have is a fan translation written by an ESL in high school.
It would be amazing to get a good version of FSN, so of course plenty of people want it for good reason. Sadly, Aniplex will only invest on gacha cancer, and the rights for FSN are supposedly expensive.

>> No.21114944

>>21112028
Whelp I learned something new today, that the new F/SF novel is finally coming out soon. The hell happened to Narita anyways?

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https://twitter.com/makoto_sanda/status/1113437005981949952

>> No.21114995

>>21114944
He was severely ill and in the hospital unable to work for what seems like a year.
Story's finally continuing on April 10th.

>>21114985
This is Makoto Sanda basically confirming that he constantly exchanges info with Narita. Seems like they really do stick together.

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>> No.21115057

>>21115005
Just another day at the Ahnenerbe for her?

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>>21115057
I don't think Shiki's ever even worked before.
She's lucky to be born into a rich family.

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just found a pretty old image. sion is always cute btw

>> No.21115181

>>21115162
That's just from Plus Disc, anon.
I actually would've liked Sion to have a more Egyptian skin tone, shame Takeuchi went back on that.

>> No.21115437

>>21115181
Making things look visually different scares Takeuchi

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>> No.21115492

>>21115478
Bravo Nasu

>> No.21115658

Are there any universal constants in TMverse? I know aliens play by completely different rules than anything from Earth (including having a different concept of death), does that include Types from our own solar system?
I'd assume prana is a universal constant but who knows at this point

>> No.21115798

>>21115658
There are principles that apply everywhere, yes.

>> No.21116281

>>21115658
It really doesn't matter when nasu has no interest in ever writing about it, and doesn't trust any other writer to do it for him.

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I never realized that in Melty Blood AA, Riesbyfe gets saved by Sion and, in order to keep her alive and in this world, they need to transfer mana with literally, canonically, objectively lots and lots of lesbian sex.

>> No.21118170

>>21114647

Does the manga do a good enough job of covering the original? Fighting games aren't my cup of tea.

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>>21117974
Gaaaaaay

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>> No.21120763

>>21118170
I thought it was alright.
I think it doesn't adapt everything. Was there White Len, for example?

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>>21117974
Goddamn dyke.

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So I guess these two files have all the sounds and imagery that's in Tsukihime. How do I extract them? Certainly it has been done before.

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post smug redmen

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>>21121904
Got it. I wonder if it's possible to waifu2x everything and make a "HD" version?

>> No.21122135

https://vimeo.com/328837590

>> No.21122452

>>21122037
Closest thing to a HD version that we'll ever get if it's possible, kek.

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>>21095614
No it's not. I'm still working on it. I fixed my health issues and went back to it a few days ago.

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>>21124051
頑張って!

>> No.21124594

>>21113619
Is /tmg/ still translating Mahoyo?

>> No.21124606

>>21115658
Resurrection of the dead is impossible

>> No.21124618

>>21124594
Supposedly. See >>21124051
We can only hope for the best.

>> No.21124632

>>21124051
Do you have a rough description of the segments that you're working on?

>> No.21124706

>>21124051
they obviously meant mcjon and not you

>> No.21124715

>>21124606
except for when it's mashu

>> No.21124805

>>21124606
Not at all, you just need the right conditions.

>> No.21124809

>>21124706
Then they are dumb since we finally got him to admit he had given up.

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>>21124051
I'll always be here for support.

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>> No.21124976

>>21122037
If you do, use waifu 2x caffe if you own an nvidia card it's really fast and better like that

>> No.21125007

>>21124976
>muh cuda
Excuse my /g/ for coming out but fuck Nvidia and fuck proprietary bullshit.

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>>21124051
Based

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>>21123204
Nice jaggies.

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All Tsukihime spites:
https://mega.nz/#!CJUVgK4J!OUaxj88qeRfFj5xlxnJspBKSTu_ruxPWbBZmA_xY8b4
Filters already applied and everything. Optimized the .pngs with ect.

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>>21125213
Great job and thank you, anon!

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What the FUCK was his problem?

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>>21125213
Should I add this link to the OP?

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>>21125213
yeehaw

>> No.21125971

>>21125740
If you want.

>> No.21126559

>>21125677
He wanted middle-schooler pussy

>> No.21126622

>>21125677
He was an incel.

>> No.21126644

In the midst of all of this fate shilling I kind of feel inspired to write something reminiscent of old type moon to satiate my thirst for it. I'm torn between writing shitty KnK/Tsukihime fanfiction or writing my own crappy story influenced by old type moon,

>> No.21126659

>>21126644
write your own shit, I'm thinking about doing it too.
there isn't a lot of literature in the urban fantasy setting right now, and most that is tries to go full harry potter.

>> No.21126679

>>21126659
Yeah thats what i was leaning towards. Like you said the genre has been pretty dead. Even worse than the harry potter clones are the twilight clones.

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I'm trying to read Hollow Ataraxia again and I get this error whenever I reach the opening. Has anyone encountered this, and successfully fixed it ?
I'm running it under Wine on Linux, and have already tried a full re-install. It worked perfectly under Ubuntu 14.04, maybe Debian testing is just broken, I've had problems with other VNs as well.

>> No.21127521

>>21127373 here
What an idiot I make, there's a "skip movies in game" option with the patch. It fixed everything.

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>>21125213
Akira is the most underrated forgotten Nasuverse qt

>> No.21127570

>>21127563
She's a slut so

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>>21125213
I should also mention (though it's obvious to anyone with eyes) that the Plus Disc sprites look much better overall as they were transparent from the get go. Tsukihime and Kagetsu Tohya have horrible alpha masks.
>>21127373
>>21127521
In case you were wondering what the issue was, it was most likely the lack of LAVFilters, which I remember being necessary to play movies in TM games in particular. You can install it with wine-tricks if you really want to.

>> No.21127740

>>21127595
LAVfilters is installed and works fine for Realta Nua, only Hollow Ataraxia fails to play movies.

>> No.21127747

>>21127740
I see. Oh well.

>> No.21127759

>>21127747
At least it was only the movies. Muv-Luv completely refused to run and I had to install some older version of PlayOnLinux from Debian stable to make it work. Here, I can just watch the OP on Youtube or rip it with KrKrExtract.

>> No.21128183

I started reading The Dresden Files as a result of this lack of urban fantasy shit and it's pretty good so far. Universe isn't as interesting as the Nasuverse or anything, but it's used well.

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>>21127563
I love her.

>>21127570
Baseless claims.

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>> No.21129872

>>21128188
She lusted after Shiki and fake Shiki. If she weren't in a girls only school she would be just a cumdumpster.

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>>21129872
He was acting like a kind, responsible older guy who she could count on. How else was she supposed to react? Seo needs someone like that.
I think Plus Disc is actually more enjoyable if you watch Mirai Fukuin first (even though that was written later), since the whole situation there is like a corruption of MF. "What if Mikiya was a fucking murderer psychopath when he met Shizune?"

>> No.21129949

>>21129892
She would fuck any old fat bastard as long as he has a nice voice, she makes sure to remind you of it during half of the story. Definitely a slut

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>>21129949
Why do you need to project your fetishes so much on poor Akira-chan, anon?
I mean, true, if the old fat guy was charming she might go along with him since she seems way too overly trusting, but I doubt she'd have sex that easily.

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Archive of Nasu blog posts since 2002:
https://overcount1999.net/uploads/bbb.zip

>> No.21130255

>>21129974
You probably just need to buy her some cheap soba

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>> No.21130649

>>21130591
I want to drink Hisui's sweat

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>> No.21131128

I keep on forgetting how shit some people's opinions can be.
That is the main reason why I avoid investing too much into this kind of media, because I'd end up constantly grumpy.

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>>21131128
Yes anon, why don't you come here to vent about your experience in /v/ and /fgog/ some more.

>> No.21131163

>>21131147
But I need my reassuring circlejerk.
I'm not detracting from anything because there is nothing to detract from, so leave it as is.

>> No.21131167

>>21131147
I LOVE SACCHIN

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>>21131167
Same!

>> No.21131953
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21131953

I've often read Kamigakari as a recommended TTRPG system to play in a type-moon setting.
Does that seem decent to all of you experts?

>> No.21132660

>>21124632
I'll tell you when I've made decent progress
I wanna make sure this isn't bad so I've been switching between the VN and a couple of fantasy books seeking inspiration for a writing style that could work.

>> No.21133614

>>21131953
Just heard it was made to play chuuni tier characters with a lot of personalisation. Didn't look it up because i'm waiting to see a complete translation.

>> No.21134762

>>21131128
>letting opinions of fictional works affect you this much

>> No.21134790

>>21134762
I know I shouldn't, but it is all there is left, before the current run of tripe.

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>>21134790
Literally just don't go to the /fgog/ shithole, and if you do don't whine when you get mildly triggered by the retards there. We've told you this countless times, yet you keep doing it.
If you get annoyed by dumb GOfag opinions, at least make fun of them in an enjoyable way. No one likes your vague, whiny posts.

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In this Akiha bad end where Akiha kills SHIKI and Shiki kills Akiha, I wonder if that final line is a reference to how Kohaku orchestrated the whole thing, and this is another instance of her plan suceeding.

Cause if so, that's fucking genius.

>> No.21135144

>>21134825
It was actually more of a /vn/fag issue.
Still, it isn't one person and nobody is exactly controlling this discussion.

>> No.21135498

>>21134922
mating press this cat

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>>21135498
How frequently do anons actually fap to Len?

>> No.21135807

>>21135761
She is one of the few TMs I actually wank to.

>> No.21135935

>>21134922
is this from chibichuki?

>> No.21136161

>>21135935
Yes

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>>21135123
That is subtle, damn. I appreciated the sudden vivid imagery in that end with the trees as curtains and the leaves rustling as applause -- it stood out in a good way.

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>>21135761
a lot.

>> No.21137519
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here's your official CCC translation bro

>> No.21137528

>>21137519
Fucking hell, is that really all they're doing to prepare the NA event?

>> No.21138096
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Crazy Clover Club did this thing
Mashu does not deserve Arc's outfit.

>> No.21138116

>>21138096
CCC are paid shills.

>> No.21138126

Would you guys happen to know where i could get an untranslated version of Tsukihime? All links and torrents I can find look dead.

>> No.21139246

>>21138096
In their defence Arc & Saber have swapped their kit a lot of times in the past, they probably wanted to work out what a three-way swap would go.

>> No.21139381

>>21139246
The problem is that Mashu is shilled to hell and is the 2nd worst TM character.

>> No.21139402

>>21138096
Oh well. At least Arc kept her hair.

>> No.21139486

>>21139381
Who's the worst?

>> No.21139488

>>21138126
https://mega.nz/#!CM9k2YoB!lklBXupYLAO8E46nOVS3U0NP20ObISsMTh5ILf267dk
Includes the original, Plus Disc, and Kagetsu Tohya.

>> No.21139556

>>21139486
Scat, to be honest 2nd and lower can be any combination of a few but Scat is the cherry on the shit cake.

>> No.21139664

>>21139556
I still can't understand what her personality is.

>> No.21139672

>>21139664
She doesn't have one. She is merely boobs.

>> No.21139692

>>21139664
Gave me a good chuckle.
There is more personality in a doormat.

>> No.21139697

>>21139672
>>21139692
I don't really play Goshit She's so popular I thought there was SOMETHING for gofags to latch onto. Like literally anything more than just tits and being an aoko face.

>> No.21139709

>>21139697
Literally all she has is her appearance, which isn't even close to as good as the average Koyama design.
And that is her best trait, from there it gets really ridiculous.

>> No.21139717

>>21139709
She doesn't even look that hot to me. A lot of go designs seem like they're pandering to horny teenagers. Which is weird because the safe for work mobile game has more over the top and fanservicey character designs than the characters in the god damn porn games.

>> No.21139731

>>21139717
It is pleb tier taste too, seeing modest designs in eroge's being finally removed to reveal the goods is glorious.
To make a serious statement on why Scat is popular, it is fetish baiting and she is built for needy self insert fags.
Also being a poster Servant helps too, of course initially people thought she'd be far different to what she became, when the extent of it was fully reveled in materials, it turned many off her forever.
Also her fans, being the type I said earlier, are equally shit.

>> No.21139833

>>21139731
Yeah im well aware of her fans. I jave a friend who is a major scat fag and he got offended when i kept on guessing fsn servants as his favorite servant. He got into type moon before fgo came out by the way. A lot of the other fgo original characters seem either characterless or like soley joke characters too. Specifically the females.

>> No.21140251

>>21138096
>CCC being retarded
Yeah, I’d say that’s been obvious for quite some time now. Remember, these are the people who tried to spin the DEEN UBW movie as a victory for Rin while simultaneously shitting on Sakura for HF getting adapted as movies in the very same doujin.

>> No.21140316

>>21140251
If all you do is find negative things about Sakura or whoever, that is not healthy.
You have HF now, be happy.

>> No.21140321

>>21140316
Oh, and the obvious almighty amount of wank her clones are getting in GO.
Though mileage varies there.

>> No.21140339

I had a dream last night that Nasu released a new visual novel from tsukhime side. Could it be, lads?

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>>21140339
It's gonna happen, lad.
We're getting close.

>> No.21140367

>>21140316
They’ve been retarded about other things in the past too (see Shiki vs Berserker), their anti-Sakura obsession just happens to be a common source of their very most farfetched logical leaps.

>> No.21140389

>>21140367
I don't believe anything they've done should be taken seriously, especially the crossovers.

>> No.21140446

Scathach really was the earliest full expression of the overarching logic of FGO - that is, the outcome on the level of content of the modularisation/commodification enforced over the form by the mobage systems themselves. We've seen countless more since then, but she - and really she's a perfect poster girl for FGO for this reason - encapsulates the ultimately shallow arbitrariness inherent to the mass-production of servants under such conditions as these where the form is rigidly specified by that very mass-production process. She's immensely popular - but why? Ask a scatfag and they'll either reduce it to a pure instrumental/mechanical perspective (she's good because 'gameplay', because her numbers suffice to make the enemy numbers go down) or fall back on stale memes, old woman lol, super strong dbz style not even my final form, BREEDING WITH SENSEI, twitter art fanon characterisations, etc - all this derivative bullshit which FGO servants have in place of whatever could make them actually interesting, precisely because the process of their (mass-)production requires it. You can't give a servant as much screentime as in FSN or Zero. You can't do anywhere near the range of things you could do with them in those works. Narratively, creatively, you are utterly hemmed in by the structural constraints of the 'servant' form in FGO: they need to fight, they need to have attractive jpegs, they need to want (your) dick if female or female (male) - and that's it really. Narrative production of any kind, because it must be ultimately subordinated to this (because it is the game's source of income), is compromised irretrievably.

>> No.21140558

>>21140446
Flawless post, feels cathartic simply reading it.

>> No.21141430

looks like gil jobs to hydra's poison and dies in enkidu's arms
I'd laugh if I hadn't predicted this two years ago

>> No.21141451

>>21141430
Is than an early spoiler?
Gonna call bullshit since it seems way too early for Gil to die, but would be cool.

>> No.21141462

>>21141451
chink scans are out but almost unreadable quality
not 100% sure he dies yet but he gets poisoned, can't heal it via GoB, enkidu tries to heal him with leyline magic but gil's saint graph completely disappears
so unless there's an epic twist in the next volume with him returning he's gone

>> No.21141531

>>21141430
Link to source?

>> No.21141540

>>21141531
nrvnqsr

>> No.21141556
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Lionheart: A
A Skill that personifies the Lionheart. His bravery which fears nothing turning into a Skill.
Awaken fear and wariness of the enemy while raising morale of allies.

All the Forte: A (last 2 kanji same with Red Hare's All the Martial Arts)
From the anecdotes where he displayed the ability in all manners of arts, be it military, fine arts, or lovemaking.
B rank and upward in anything he had an interest of during his previous live, and masters new things much faster than the norm.

GodspeedSwiftness: A
A technical skill engraved to his saint graph out of the speed of his march crossing the battlefield like a lightning.
The longer he do combat, the more his AGI rises.

Excalibur
Sword of Eternally Distant Victory

D-A+
anti army
range 1-99
max target 1-1000

same with novel descrptition
power as "excalibur" changes depending on the things he calls excalibur, but it would never come close to the real "holy sword of the star" even if he actually hold the real excalibur

Rounds of Leonhart
Play the Lion on the Round Cross

rank A
anti army
no range, no max target

A Noble Phantasm that materializes those he had a bond with during his live in the form of his attendant, or retinue, or even his mentor by utilizing his own saint graph as a catalyst. The number changes depending on the Master's magic energy quantity and the foundation (下地) of the land he is summoned at.
It can summon even those recorded in the throne as a heroic spirit, but in that situation they would manifest in a state weaker than the condition they are normally summoned at. WHile they do lend they powers to Richard, practical continuous manifestation consume vast quantity of magic energy, so it is quite impossible for the to operate with the norm of heroic spirits.

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>> No.21141585

>>21141573
Dumas is absolutely based

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>>21141556
>A rank lovemaking
How can other Servants even compete?

>> No.21141606

>>21141582
It's so fucking cool that Richard has EX Agility that varies with that skill.
I loved his fight with Enkidu because of how fast and agile he was.

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Why is this Ishtar so much better than GO's.

>> No.21142155

>>21142115
she's in an empty homunculus body instead of being forced into rin for literally no reason

the real reason is this writer actually cares

>> No.21142341

>>21142115
She hasn't started throwing temper tantrums like a daddy's girl yet.

>> No.21142347

>>21142341
I think bitchy/spoiled girls are hot. Like the other anon said, to me it's more about not forcing Rin where she doesn't belong for fanservice. Also, she's not falling on top of a self-insert protag for HILARIOUS harem anime tropes.

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>> No.21142789

Dumas profile TL
https://www.reddit.com/r/typemoon/comments/bbe3w9/alexandre_dumas_servant_profile_from_fatestrange/

>> No.21142917

>>21141430
>looks like gil jobs
Does he ever not?

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>>21142789
>Dumas has skills and an NP for being a chef
Unexpected and hilarious. He'd pair stupidly well with Shirou.

>> No.21143031

Humbaba confirmed to be inside True Berserker's Saint Graph

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>>21141430
>gil jobs to hydra's poison
wait what?
Wasn't Dumas using his NP to literally bend fate itself so the policeman who lost an arm gets a redemption arc by stabbing Alcides with the dagger?
How does Gil even get involved in this?

>> No.21143146

>>21143142
Alcides has his own hydra poison

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>> No.21143431

>>21114401
...So wait, is he talking about Zeltretch? I figured that there was only one of that asshole in every possible universe.

>> No.21143450

>>21143431
The "certain encounter" is referring to Roa meeting Arc, not Zelretch.

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Fuck marry kill

>> No.21145062

>>21144890
I love all of them

>> No.21145074

>>21144890
Can I hug them all and tell them that they are completely valid characters

>> No.21145080

>>21144890
3,1,2

>> No.21145102

>>21145074
That's a valid option.

>> No.21145111

>>21144890
Fuck Sion, marry Sacchin, hug Beef.

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PHANTASMOON

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>>21145412
Oh. You beat me to it.
I love Arc so much.

>> No.21145910

>>21137528
If you've been following FGO NA drama you would know by now the NA "team" is low effort as fuck.

>> No.21146105

why everywhere says that shirou is weak ? Because, he showed so much power and the artifacts in the ubw, the speed and all of it he called weak. Why? If look at the rest of the mages they are just worthless weaklings who can nothing. "Strong" mages cant oppose Shiro or lol, the SWAT team. Even if we take the maybi Rin, which served as a powerful mage if she will go against Shirou he just kick her on speed into the garbage. The only one who was a strong mage on look, it Bazet and that guy from the magical-girl that warp space

>> No.21146125

>>21145412
I've always wondered, how did she steal Caster's staff?

>> No.21146372

>>21146125
Caster had a "Temple Sale" perhaps?

>> No.21146394

>>21146125
Good old recycling method from TM staff.

>> No.21146519

>>21142115
She gets the Eresh sparkles.

>> No.21146578

>>21146519
Wonder if she'll put on the Ishtarin outfit later.

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Even Chibichuki knows a cat is fine too.

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I don't have the courage to start Fate/stay night. Is it a long read ? Is it a good mix of action, sol, romance and nasulosophy ?

>> No.21147447

>>21147387
It's a long read for sure.
I would say it's a good mix of all of those, though there are segments that get complaints for having too much SoL with too little action (Fate route is the biggest culprit of this).

>> No.21148047

>>21147387
yes to all of these

>> No.21148860

Where to find Tsukihime summary?
I played Tsukihime a couple of years ago. Now I want to play it but my memory has faded..

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>>21131167
>>21131170

>> No.21149344

>>21147387
Don't try to power through all the routes one after another. I tried that and ran out of steam at the start of Heaven's Feel (by the start I mean I didn't even get past the point where it branches off from Fate and UBW). Take a day or two off between routes.

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>>21145074
Not until Roastbeef sells her soul too.

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I drew Arc in paint. It's not very good.

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https://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=74148455
this pixiv log has some ShikiArcueid, Tsuki no Sango, Mahoyo, and more Typemoon works's fanarts that i think you guys may like it (the artstyle is cute too)

>> No.21150749

>>21115658
The universal meta constant is Human history.

The two settings of Nasuverse are defined by Human History. Fate (and presumably KnK) is the "affirmation" while Tsukihime (and Mahoyo) is the ________ of Human History, but deep down, both boiled down to the same thing.

Aliens aren't as relevant as you think. First of, the only relevant aliens exist as a frame of reference to boost the human history: Sefar destroyed the old world and helped to birth a new one where she became the first legend and that's the world of men. Whether was intentional or not and was defeated by human hands with ease as soon that system was in diapers. Mooncell and the Umbral Star only exist in relevance to make humanity the only sentient planet of the Galaxy as the rest got repeated by the Umbral Star before they got a chance. The Umbral Star is like Mooncell, some device that stores/records information but has a different way to do it (reaping and not observing). The "outer gods" are vague existences (superstitions) who didn't seem to have self-awareness of capacity to observe and got observed first, nor they can move across the planets, and even needed someone else to open a gate for them.

But the actual relevant TM works is all defined by the foundation: history. According to Nasu.

>> No.21151302

>>21150384
Still better than Remake Arc.

>> No.21152834

>>21113120
Ask her on twitter faggot

>> No.21153222

>>21152834
She already replied to that anon days ago.

>> No.21154175

>>21113120
>>21152834
>>21153222
I don't want to give the retard too much attention but it's funny how the Tsukihime "fandom" is filled with boomers who just can't grow up. Axia must be almost 30 and still acts like a teenager on twitter.

>> No.21154238

>>21154175
You're the one asking for attention, retard.
Plenty of Tsukihime fans only read it within the last couple of years, lots of people blogpost it on twitter. Axia seems to be in her 20s based on pics she's posted.
Go be deluded elsewhere.

>> No.21154242

>>21150749
So is there no other influential life in the universe or something? You'd think another planet somewhere would have another species with their own Alaya etc

>> No.21154525

>>21154242
There is, as proven by the existence of lifeforms like the Types and Velber.
The humanity-centric bullshit is one of the worst things about modern TM, especially cause it's mostly used as an excuse to wank Servants and shove them everywhere.

>> No.21154542

>>21154525
I don't mind it being humanity-centric, I don't particularly care for the influences outside the Solar system that sometimes appear. But complete humanity-wank is always boring.

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industry leader btw

>> No.21155353

>>21154958
Hopefully it never comes out :)

>> No.21155355

>>21150749
I thought Mahoyo could fit into both

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>Gil is dead
Poor Tine.

>> No.21156638

>>21146105
fuck off ESL, learn to spell

>> No.21156858

>>21156362
Rip Gilfags

>> No.21156996

>>21155355
Mahoyo is the true TM timeline.
Change my mind.

>> No.21157068

>>21156858
As a Gilfag I'm so used to Gil jobbing by now that it barely even phases me. He was born to job.

>> No.21157347

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/article?a=20190412-00011441-bunshun-ent
Oof.

>> No.21157586

>>21157347
Pretty scummy

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>> No.21158458

>>21157347
I think this might affect any new projects they're working on after all.

tax evasion is one thing, but burning charity money is another. they'll have fire under their asses

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>GOfags

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It's Mahoyo's 7th anniversary, lads.

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>>21159517

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>> No.21160363

>>21159517
theres so much shit in mahoyo that could really do with being expanded and explained upon in sequels.

I've really come to hate nasu as a person over the years. he pulls shit like this again and again while he keeps silent for fucking decades.

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Just finished Tsukihime and I have a quick question regarding Kohaku's route.
There's a point idk who it is but they're outside late at night in the town having a chat with a serial killer drinking coffee with him before the serial killer decides to leave the town because he says two serial killers can't be in the same place. Was this one of the dream sequences of Shiki watching SHIKI or was it Nanaya Shiki?

>> No.21160755

>>21160563
It's Shiki talking to SHIKI. It's intended to create some uncertainty on wether he was actually murdering people all along, though he definitely seems to be in Nanaya mode.
All that really matters is that it's a conversation between 2 killers.

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>>21160755
That makes sense thanks anon.

Off to read the fandiscs now

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>>21158905

>> No.21162096

What are the odds we actually get a TM-Ace this year?

>> No.21162163

>>21162096
Yes. It's called FGO Ace though.

>> No.21163193

>>21162163
>FGO Ace
it's called Chaldea Ace actually

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>> No.21165078

>>21164790
Cute!!!

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>> No.21166787
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>>21166671
Scary cat

>> No.21167952

>>21166787
>iqdb and google bring up nothing
My guess is its from twitter and its somehow not being detected

>> No.21168061

>>21167952
Here you go lad https://twitter.com/kagachi_SK/status/1117101141240602624

>> No.21168411

If a servant were to survive the HGW with his master
would there be anything that could threaten him outside of other servants?

>> No.21168444

>>21168411
Of course, but the few who could likely wouldn't.

>> No.21168456

>>21168444
do you have examples of what could be a threat to a servant?

>> No.21168463

>>21168411
Their imminent lack of existence due to running out of mana.
Also realistically, even though Servants get wanked a lot nowadays, they still wouldn't be able to take on an army of the Clock Tower's top tiers, True Mages and shit like Types, there are other existences as strong as Servants. In Apocrypha Vlad kills like 40 Clock Tower mages though, so there's that.
I would usually say that Dead Apostle Ancestors are totally on the level of Servants (many of them above the average Servant), but they've recently been retconned out of existing in the same worlds as Servants lmao. They only exist in parallel.

>> No.21168469

>>21168456
Many magi, especially with prep, and some members of the Church.
Of course it is Servant dependent.

>> No.21168492

>>21168463
hasn't nasu stated that aoko and any modern magus would lose to a caster?

>> No.21168503

>>21168492
Yeah but Nasu is a fucking hack who says stuff like that on a whim, it's ridiculous to think Blue wouldn't obliterate non-combat focused Casters (and most other Casters too).

>> No.21168578

>>21168492
>in a battle of magecraft
Aoko loses if kept to magecraft spam due to HSDW, but at close range and/or with Blue Medea would be stomped.
Also Nasu saying Aoko is only able to fight average Servants is also without Blue.

>> No.21168693

>>21168463
Vlad had B rank magic resistance, the majority of magi couldn't even touch him without some great preparation.

>> No.21168817

>>21168693
Not to mention Kazikli Bey is fast as fuck and basically a death sentence unless you have some sort of Armor NP

>> No.21168818

>>21168463
>they still wouldn't be able to take on an army of the Clock Tower's top tiers,
Clock Tower was pissing their pants about Chaldea Servant army and demanded them to desummon them because they were literally a powerhouse. They only job and chase away their real talent nowadays.

>> No.21168826

>>21168578
This is just headcanon. All Nasu said Aoko could only fight a Servant with a Mediocre/average NP (fight, not win), and, in another interview, that she'll lose vs Caster.

People speculating about muh blue is something Nasu never actually said. Just Aokofags trying to hype her when Nasu doesn't.

>> No.21168841

>>21168826
Incorrect, Nasu even spelled it out that it was only magecraft.
Remember all these interviews happened prior to Mahoyo and prior to Nasu really divulging anything about the 5th.
This also applies to fighting an average Servant.
She has a 30% chance of beating Arc, Arc at 30% is roughly 4x an average Servant, so these statements, if you assume are all with or without Blue would contradict, so some have to be one and some have to be the other for it to make sense.

>> No.21168892

>>21168818
>FGO
lmao
Either way, anon was talking about one lone Servant surviving a War, not Chaldea's shitty Guda cock-sucking army.
Barthomelloi is a part of the Association and she could certainly take on low tier to average Servants even by herself. Kiritsugu and Kirei at the end of F/Z are said to be strong enough to kill weak Servants under the right circunstances, and you can bet there are CT mages way stronger than them.

>> No.21169101

So, is Shiki an actual serial killer? During Kohaku's route we do see him actually kill 3 people. The thing is that I remember in other routes Akiha mentioning how sometimes Shiki is going out at night. And now I wonder, was he killing people during the night all along? And why?

>> No.21169148

>>21169101
All killings are SHIKI, Nanaya Shiki only kills non-humans.

>> No.21169171

>>21169148
But during day 4 we actually see him kill people.
>I enter the darkness.
>The activity of the heart fiercely pushes myself
>More and more.
>Thump Thump
>Thump Thump
>Heartbeats that may make my own existence insignificant.
>The heart increases to twins, their pulses burns my single body.
>Now, I need to fulfill the outcome that she wishes for...
>-----and then,
>In front of me, there was a stranger's dead body.
>"--------one, two, three person, is it"
>I count out of my mouth.
>I verified it with my index finger, but that index finger was red.
>No.
>Both of my hands are red as if they were painted.
>No doubt, there is no red paint anywhere.
>What's there is what looks like a failed spaghetti (Of course, with meat sauce), three dead human bodies.
>On the floor is my-----Knife that is scribed with the words Nanatsu Yoru.
>"...To put it short, this is"
>I don't even need to think but.
>"....I did it"
That's it unless the people that he killed weren't people.

>> No.21169338

>>21169171
>Now, I need to fulfill the outcome that she wishes for...
He was drugged by Kohaku.

>> No.21169913
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Whoa, I didn't really like Kara no Kyoukai so I ended up never watching Mirai Fukuin until tonight. Big mistake, it's so good, the best movie imo.

>> No.21169959

>>21169913
Absolute pleb taste. Check yourself before you neck yourself

>> No.21170130

>>21157703
>FSF volume 5

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>>21170130
Poor Gil

>> No.21170359

I fail to see how aoko could lose to anything that isn't the heatdeath of the universe itself while using the fifth.

>> No.21170434

>>21170359
Thames Troll in its Fourth stage can't be destroyed by Aoko using the Fifth though

>> No.21170454

>>21170130
>>21170193
So does Gil actually die? I'm surprised. I thought Narita was a huge Gilfag or something.

>> No.21170488

>>21170434
are you sure? I'm pretty certain it only wins against magecraft due to being so old. loses to a certain someone in the story after all.
If you mean it can't be destroyed by aoko with the fifth because she is too stupid to come up with an offensive attack that is anything but dbz laser blasts you might have a point.

>> No.21170629

>>21170454
>does Gil actually die?
From what i remember then no. Also Gil still has another NP btw

>> No.21170708

>>21170488
I was talking about Thames Troll in its Fourth stage (Gold/Silver) though. Alice can only use the first two stages of Wood and Stone.

>> No.21170925

reminder that gil could defeat a beast solo

>> No.21170938
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Nasu's trolley problem

>> No.21170939

>>21170434
>>21170708
Still looking for the direct quote.
I've heard conflicting opinions.

>> No.21171131

>>21170938
>money
>dead and forgotten franchises
real tough choice for Nasu the corporate sellout

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>>21169913
I disagree since I love the other ones, but good on you for enjoying Mana's movie at least!

>> No.21171292

>>21168463
>they still wouldn't be able to take on an army of the Clock Tower's top tiers
B mag.res and you're practically invulnerable to those whips. A resist and you are completely invulnerable to them, they can ask current to spare their lives and suck cock

>> No.21171299

>>21150591
Am I the only one who enjoyed tsuki no sango?

>> No.21171315

>>21171292
The majority of Servants don't have MA that high, anon. Or any MA at all. Again, in that scenario literally any Servant surviving a HGW would count, you gotta take into account a lot of low tiers who would indeed be easily destroyed by an army of Clock Tower top tiers.
Fake Assassin in SF nearly gets fucked by a few cops with low-tier NP weapons.

>>21171299
No, it's very comfy and unusual.

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>> No.21171357

>>21170939
I can't recheck the VN now, and to be honest i don't even remember if it was mentioned in the VN or an interview but jp wiki has that part https://typemoon.m.wiki.cre.jp/wiki/久遠寺有珠
>橋の巨人(テムズトロル)
>もし最終段階のテムズを行使できる術者がいるなら、煤煙都市ロンドンを上回る都市の巨人として顕現し、奥の手を出し切った青子にも踏破は不可能であるという。

>> No.21171418

>>21171315
>army of Clock Tower top tiers.
and what these top mages will be able doing ? most strong mages even with reinforcement spell can't react to speeds of over 300 km/h. Above this threshold face only the church boys, the unique such as grey becos the spear buff, and the original super fighting boys achieving supersonic speed. Even if you take casters, wizards from the age of gods can just BGTFO the whole Association, there is magic 1000 years before. ad can completely destroy Tokyo. Most normal melee servants are moving at double-digit Mach numbers, the tops servs can leap beyond the earth's atmosphere for a moment. Association lose only servants at Hansa or zero Assassins tier

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>>21171299
It was good stuff, but made me fear a timeline of Arc clones instead of Saberfaces.

>> No.21171489

>>21171418
No anon, a single random shitty Caster or Assassin or Berserker would not be able to wipe out the Clock Tower by themselves. Again, Nasu himself said that even Kirei or Kiritsugu would be able to take on a weaker Servant, and neither of them is anywhere near top tier for the modern world (save for Kiritsugu's bullshit Avalon use).
The whole "muh speed" argument is such a fucking meme, especially when it tends to be exaggerated for dramatic effect. Frankly, if a Servant tried to attack the Clock Tower, it's doubtful that they wouldn't be caught by a multitude of traps before even getting to fight a real magus.
You seem to be very on board with Servant wank though, even though their power always had a wide range and they were never uniformly stronger than mages (reminder that Rin, with nothing but reinforcement, would've literally killed Medea if Kuzuki, another human, wasn't there). I'm sure the current state of Type-Moon suits you well.

>> No.21171494

>>21171315
>Q: It has been said that a certain Aozaki cannot even defeat a serious Caster, is this "certain Aozaki" Aoko Aozaki? Is this an assessment based on Aoko using True Magic?
>A: "A certain Aozaki" includes both Aoko and Touko. In a magecraft battle by modern standards, a "magus" who is capable of defeating a serious Caster does not exist.
Clock Tower magi can't even defeat Caster servants though, only magician can

>> No.21171516

>>21171494
Do note.
>In a magecraft battle by modern standards
Clever writing by Nasu to leave exceptions to the rule, as he always does.

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>>21171494
>a serious Caster
>basically implying not only an above average Caster, but also one who's giving it their all
Remember what happened with Rin vs Caster in UBW?
And again, that only applies to 1v1s. I have serious doubts Barthomeloi with her 50 elites would have trouble with a lone Servant. Lorelei has 1v1'd DAAs like Enhance and killed two of them, and those are quite obviously Servant-tier in Tsukihime worlds.

>> No.21171554

>>21171526
Rin vs Caster is Rin using reinforcement to fight Medea at close range, not a magecraft battle.
That scenario only considered ranged spam.

>> No.21171568

>>21171489
>Kirei or Kiritsugu would be able to take on a weaker Servant, and neither of them is anywhere near top tier for the modern world (save for Kiritsugu's bullshit Avalon use).
Kirei at his peak level can fight Ciel. Ciel can only lead a defensive battle against just agnains lol random servsnt boy. And Ciel is quite high in the position of the forces of the modern world. Conditional shit servs will be destroyed (at level of Gilles, Hans, Hassans end other garbage). But all the other servants who are not shit, just make up for its speed (the Mach number is not dramatic, the speed of light that's just drama. Although the servants of the Ex series just on that speed, fighting, punching the space-time) and can easily take refuge mage, if not the entire city, because as said in the prot above the average servant might just boom whole city randomly strike with impact force up to 365 megaton

>> No.21171590

>>21171568
Alright, thanks for admitting that there are plenty of shit tier Servants who would get wiped by strong modern magi, that's all I was really saying.
Of course the overall "power level" of Servants is far higher than the Clock Tower, no one contested that, it's always been like that.

>> No.21172630

>>21171568
Nasu said that Ciel can hold her own defensively but let's be honest, that's a 15 year old statement that we can disprove with more current info.
The same quote says
>If it's just a defensive fight, but would still be a fight... Ryougi Shiki (3rd personality) might be able to go as far as the Ciel class.
But in FGO, both Assassin and Saber Ryougi Shiki are able to fight with and win against Servants. Nasu didn't have a cast in mind anything like what we have today, the average is so much lower with what the Chaldea system allows.

>> No.21172633

>>21172630
Yeah, because they are in bloody Servant containers.

>> No.21172730

>>21172633
They're pseudo-Servants so they're residing in human bodies, not containers, and she's summoned into her own body so she's not riding on someone else's strength.

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>> No.21174915

>>21171425
As much as I love Arc, overexposure to any character hurts them in the long run. I really wish creators would understand that oversaturation is a bad thing. Unfortunately TM in particular is quite guilty of it.

>> No.21174925

>>21172630
Let's be even more honest: much of what Nasu says in regards to power levels is total crap.

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>go to /fgog/
>faggots discussing Case Files, Strange Fake, and even Mahoyo
>literally everything except their shitty dead game

We're gonna be free soon, lads. Only a little over a year of Lostbelt, and hopefully the cancer will die then.

>> No.21176201

>>21176195
You really think they won't milk FGO until the end of time? They never expected it to become as big as it did so they never planned the story arcs longer than that, but now they're scrambling to come up with some shit to keep the money flowing.

>> No.21176210

>>21176201
Well sure, Aniplex and Sony will, but as long as Nasu moves on I'm good.
Even if it's more Fateshit and if he doesn't finish the Remake, it probably can never get as bad as FGO. Well, I'll be fucking done if we don't get at least some news next year in the 20th anniversary though.

>> No.21176215

>>21176210
There won't be any news. Sorry bro.

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>>21176215
I really believe they've been saving something up and working in the background. If not the actual release, then at least some significant news.
They made a big deal out of FSN's 15th, no way they'd ignore Tsuki's 20th.

>> No.21176230

>>21176225
Well, just remember my warning when it comes.

>> No.21176233

>>21176225
lol you know that tsukihime remake was planned as an anniversary thing too, right?

>> No.21176254

>>21176233
A 10th anniversary thing originally, and that's w here they unveiled all the new designs, and came out with more updates in the following couple of years, only after FGO started did they pretty much stop.
If you believe that it's still gonna happen, since they keep reminding you of its existence and they obviously want a collab with GO trash, the 20th Tsukihime anniversary seems like the most likely time for a reveal.

>> No.21176523

>>21176195
>Kajita says that he doesn’t think FGO could end entirely, and Nasu says that they do want to make something entirely new with a new system built from scratch, and that he is already thinking of what this will be.
>Nasu says that he wants to make a game that will fill players with both a sense of loss and pride, and that it would be wonderful if he could make “something after” in a great form that nobody expects.
That said, i still hope Nasu is going to finish and release his old works after FGO

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>> No.21176721

Why are the Greek gods a robots?

>> No.21176735

>>21176721
why not? Can't find any legit reasoning that would explain Nasu choice.

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>>21176721
Why are the Irish and Mesoamerican gods pathogens?

>> No.21176852

>>21176800
>Mesoamerican gods pathogens?
Alien pathogens

>> No.21177063

>>21176721
because nasu is a hack.
>the greek pantheon are alien robots
>when they're famous for rape

>> No.21177093

>>21177063
My headcanon deal with that. I can imagine Zeus wanting to do some eugenic experimentation and kidnapping women to impregnate them artificially. The, Greeks interpreted it as Zeus directly raping the women.

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>>21177093

>> No.21177184

>>21177166
?

>> No.21178019

ded

>> No.21178090

>TM reddit full of users making mcjon the victim, because they want a translation that bad
>when he wasn't working on the project anyway
>when he could have just said "yeah, I'll go through those chapters again."

absolute clown world

>> No.21178545

>>21176195
Lol
You're going to be horribly disappointed

>> No.21178555

>>21178090
The fanbase is used to eating up shitty translations to be fair.
The amount of people who defended the NA translation for FGO in the opening weeks, despite much of it being literally machine translated, was embarrassing to see.
The TM fanbase is garbage unfortunately.

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>>21178545
We shall see, /fgog/fag.
I'm sure the people going "B-But all you'll get is more Extrashit!!" would still be in denial if Mahoyo 2 and Tsukihime Remake released the moment Lostbelt ended.
They really, really don't wanna believe that FGO cancer has stunted TM's potential for 4 years.

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>> No.21178724

>>21178574
>We shall see, /fgog/fag.
I'm not an fgofag. I am, however, being realistic. TM is a carcass.

>> No.21179160

I have a question
How do you awaken your origin exactly?
And how strong does it make you?

>> No.21179168

>>21179160
Some unknown secret technique, Araya is the only person we've seen so far able to do it.
It doesn't make you necessarily strong or weak, it just makes you completely unable to resist your "impulse", all your behaviour will gravitate towards your origin, and it may change physical appearance too.

>> No.21179177

>>21179168
but the hunger guy in KNK became a superhuman who was able to do wall jump and shit

>> No.21179190

>>21179177
Yes, Araya was the one who awakened his origin.

>> No.21180748

>>21178555
people still defend it, now they just claim it's "localization"

>> No.21180807

>>21180748
Well, it is localisation, but a bad one.

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