ShanghaiEXE - Low Expectations Edition

[Anonymous No.]

>Latest Release (0.502e13):
https://mega.nz/#!Q8wlyYob!QVfDM2bMAIVrWHknhgPEwxnF0quaAFpHqjmXh9EYpg4
>Latest Source:
https://mega.nz/#!x5p1iARJ!hrKiybO09EtZxbiSlHafDTKPDLmOTcLWwySaweUpU_U

>Last Thread: >>20970244

>What this is:
Shanghai.EXE was a Touhou-themed Megaman Battle Network clone.
Then the original developer got a C&D from Capcom and shut everything down, just before it was completed.
Luckily, someone leaked a donor-wall demo build, and the whole thing was made in C#, which meant it could be decompiled.
This is a modified version of that demo build, with translations for the new content since the public build, and now a handful of bug/translation fixes.

>New stuff since last thread:
Fixed a handful of translations that didn't match the scenes they were for.

That's pretty much it.
It's been a week since the last thread and I figured I'd give an update on my (lack of) progress, so you at least know it's not (all the way) dead.
Started work on the map editor, but fell down the OpenGL rabbithole since I figured I'd overhaul the game's graphics engine eventually and it'd be a good idea to render it the same way in the editor first.
That took the whole week, and while I think I'm in a good position to overhaul the graphics I haven't gotten much done for the editor, I'm having trouble figuring out how exactly the game turns map positions into render positions.
I can see where it turns isometric coordinates to pixel coordinates, at MapCharacterBase:ChangeQuarter():204, but what I don't get are the offsets, and the mapfile rendX/SlideX don't seem to have anything to do with it.
If someone could take a look through the code, it'd be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074380
I wouldn't personally mess with how the game renders graphics because it works even if it is suboptimal.
>map positions to render positions
A guy told me there was a debug mode, maybe that will tell you your current coords in the map?
And I don't really understand the offsets either, but I think it lets you move around where the 0,0 for the map is relative to the rendering engine?
I figured out how to make a simple cutscene after realizing that page markers in events let you set variables for the previous parts although I don't really understand why pages exist. I don't have a transcription of those webms (and no druidman assets as well) so I can't quite restore the final comp but that is something more easily possible than making new maps.
I haven't done much to work with Shanghai in the last week because of wanting a break and IRL stuff, but I do have notes on how I might make a security virus similar to BN3's secret area. A bit of messing with map stuff and I could probably put in those virus gauntlet towers as well because those would just be battles that remove an obstacle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074815
It was more for my own benefit, I've always wanted to learn gpu stuff. Also spite, I never figured out how to force the current engine to use nearest-neighbor scaling and that pissed me off.
I do know how offsets work, it's just that I have no idea where they're coming from.
I can set breakpoints and see the exact offsets it's using (and modify them to be 10 pixels left, etc.), but trying to figure out the origin from that just gives me a point on the map that seems completely random.
Good to hear you're making progress though, hopefully I'll figure something out and that'll help you along.

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder what causes the game to switch to nearest neighbor seemingly at random.

Also, since the game is translated now, does it mean more people have witnessed this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21075691
My best guess is that it's however the OS/GPU decides how to scale up a window.
The graphics code has a fixed backbuffer of 240x160, and takes a window handle as the render target, so once the pixels are set by the program, it's out of its hands.
How the scaling is decided after that is a total mystery to me though.

[Anonymous No.]

I thought it was dead. Thanks for saving it, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21078131
No one can stop Shanghai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21075691
Yeah, that was quite something. Little Shanghai was nice too.

>>21078551
Capcom did a pretty good job stopping her.

[Anonymous No.]

Figured it out.
Pretty sure I understand most of the bits and pieces now, just have to put them together and throw them together with a bit of gui.
Unfortunately, this is built off an older version of my editor since I forgot to check in to my private repo before going out of town, so there won't be anything more than proof-of-concepts this weekend (Part of this was improving loading different spritesheets, which is why those are all the same sprite).

In the meantime, I haven't looked too deeply at the per-page tokens, so anything I should watch out for or any requests (or a barebones list of features if you want it quick)?

[Anonymous No.]

Trying to write down some stuff from Koki's Nico videos so I can make a meh translation of it and I'm finding that his font makes getting some of the kanji absurdly difficult.
>>21079768
off of the top of my head
>place warps, conveyers, encounters, cutscenes, shops, chip traders, etc
>need to be able to edit an existing map to place a warp to post game content (I was planning on having a warp in undernet square 2 that leads to undernet 11, which branches off into the white heaven area, undernet 12-13/14 (I'll probably place mima here) and undernet 14/15 (something like the place where you fight dark soul bosses in bn5)
>need to be able to set up using new sprites (going to need to add something for the security towers)
>easy edits of random encounters
And I also thought the gauntlets in the EX Omake room should be distributed throughout the game so you can access their rewards as you progress through the story.

[Anonymous No.]

Thanks a lot for doing this anon. I don't know a lick of gamedev since I'm only a webdev by trade but I can try to take a look at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21079913
Thanks, I forgot about warps, I'll have to remember to handle those specially.
>rewards
We're in a bit of a tricky situation with rewards, since it seems like there's not enough items to go around and even existing content has those duplicate AddOns.
There's also a few objects that tease being able to jack in (Remilia's piano, chandelier), doors with touch events that could be turned into areas, and of course the missing reward for the hospital sidequest.
A good number of those could be filled in with S-rank virus chips, regup, or stackable AddOns, but there might be issues with the special ones (maybe the hospital quest opens an endgame area?)

>>21080058
Any eye is welcome, I'm no gamedev either and the only applicable experience I have is C# and dealing with legacy systems. The editor's actually a lot closer to what I do for a living.
I've figured out the coordinate system though, turns out it was a combination of position relative to the camera and rendering from the center of the sprite that was throwing me off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21080287
Anywhere in here that you've written your notes in? I can only see the misc folder with mapfile toplevel.txt in it, unless that's the only parts you've figured out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21080287
There is the unused HP +500, and hard to get chip codes are always nice.
Could also fix chip+ and chip-.

Side note, need a way to save just a flag but not the location (or just make the save before credits have the coords of just outside the final boss door of no return).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21080303
Hadn't figured it out by the time I'd uploaded that, and I haven't really taken notes for anything else.
I'll jot down what I know about the positioning here so I don't have to upload to Mega, but was there something else you wanted more info on?

>Mapfile, render, and camera positions:
Every object has a "position:<x>:<y>:<floor>" line, which sets the initial position, before any movement, on the actual map area before it's displayed isometrically (so 0,0 is at the top, and x/y increase down-right and down-left respectively).
That position is then fed through ChangeQuarter() in MapCharacterBase.cs each render call, turning it into (game)pixel+offset coordinates in the positionQ field.
The offset is distance from the map center to the image center, given by:
{mapoffsetX + (mapwidth - 240)/2, mapoffsetY + (mapheight - 160)/2}, where the mapfile has those values on the first line as "<>,<>,mapoffsetX,mapoffsetY,mapwidth,mapheight,<...>".
This is all because the camera's position is 0,0 when the top-left corner is in the center of the map.
In the actual render calls, the final render position (positionQ - camera) is based on the screen, where 0,0 is the top left, with a handful of adjustments for camera shake, jumping, characters, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

Your work is incredibly appreciated. I can barely even put it into words.

[Anonymous No.]

If it dies again I will not be able to go on. Please understand that there are lives on the line OP and that we all wish you our best.

[Dusk No.]

Oh wow, that is a lot of japanese dialogue reading in this thread...


curious, what was the Flandre.exe situation about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21082580
I haven't got around to translating Flan's and Marisa cosplayer's events, but I'll try to now that I have a bit of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21082580
I transcribed (and partially translated) the short part where Shanghai gets Scarlet Code for Flandre's event, but Shanghai already knows about Flandre by then. I think the video before it had the bulk of that event's story, but it looks like this, the stream constantly stutters and is stuck refreshing, and it loses connection completely at the part where Shanghai speaks to an evil navi (the next video start in Undernet with Shanghai speaking to a dark girl navi). It looks like you were supposed to look for Flandre all around the net before finally following her to Scarlet Conglomerate homepage.

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>>21083619
I'm guessing it's something from the request board? Like you get a request to check out some rumours about a shady-looking navi and go to the shadiest place you know which eventually leads to Flan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21083647
It's probably a request, like other postgame character-specific requests. The one he finished right before he started the Flan event was Yamame's request to hunt some SP5 lilies, and this one begins with Remilia briefing you about the situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21083682
I really liked how big requests got later on compared to the early quick fetchquests, especially Okuu was great.

[Anonymous No.]

I kinda want to read through the source code. Does the C# code require vs2017 or can I get away with vs2015?

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>>21085085
Koki was using the 2013 version for a long while before updating to 2017 in the final months. There's no way he did some drastic update to the code that would make earlier versions of C# unsupported, especially since the majority of the work on the game was done in his event editor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21085085
Should be compatible either way, but you'll need python 3 installed to build it since it uses python scripts to re-encode the map and resources files.

[Dusk No.]

Oh, more specifically, what was the plot for the Flan side mission?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21085085
I couldn't compile with 2015 when I tried and needed to download 2017.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21087027
That's odd, the solution even has a vs15 icon for me, though of course I hadn't tested it.
I'll add some more instructions in for next time, including a bit I forgot from >>21085121 that you need the pycryptodome module since the .tcd files are actually encrypted.
I might replace those scripts with C# and build steps though, the editor will need to do it in runtime anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21087163
Synchronizing builds might be a little obnoxious.

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>>21088963
You can tell that I'm an amateur from this, but shouldn't setting the build order/dependencies ensure that it would be built by the time it would be called from the dependent project's build steps?
I don't think there's any fancy building in parallel going on.

[Anonymous No.]

First attempt at making a map with tiled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21092673
It looks nice enough, rather simplistic though with not a high chance of virus encounters. Maybe add in a few off-shooting paths to explore? Because as it stands it looks like its a really straight forward deadend undernet map.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21093230
I'm not quite sure what to make the maps generally like, but I was thinking I could add two more exits to that and maybe a center 'square' area that the warps focus on.

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>>21093351
Well, generally Undernet maps get to be rather maze-like or sometimes ridiculously large. At the moment this map is neither. Adding in that center square might help. Especially if the warps don't go where you'd expect, like upper left going bottom right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21093351
If you want it to look BN-like, I would probably suggest checking out how the Undernet is mapped there. Pic is one example.
Not saying you should follow it 100% - I mean, we're not professionals here - just how Capcom usually does it.

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>>21093601
Made a different attempt, not sure if this is better.


>>21094725
If I was to mimic bn undernet more, I'd probably pick 3's undernet. I still have the path to Undernet 7 memorized.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21094735
That's impressive. You can tell me the first one is made by the same person and I probably won't believe you.
>I'd probably pick 3's undernet
To each their own, I suppose. Design-wise, I prefer 5's dirty look.

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>>21094810
5 has a pretty nice aesthetic for the game's soul theme but it was pretty small. I also found 3 to be better at confusing you on how to get to places.

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>>21094818
Speaking of confusing, is multi-level area like this possible? Not demanding or anything, mind, just wondering.

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>>21094862
Yeah, but I'll need to look more through how Shanghai does it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21094865
What do you mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21097228
The game has multiple floors on different images that have different collision maps. I presumably have to place the stairs as an event in the maps data but I haven't looked for that yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21098631
Hoping to abstract that away so you won't have to deal with it, but who knows how long that will take. It's a work in progress.
Got a few notes on ramps from when I was looking at the mapfile, though, they're special tiles in the collision map for up-north, up-west, down-south, and down-east, which makes sense that they're the only directions because of the perspective.
Other than that, odd floors are floor+ramp bottoms, even floors are just ramp tops (or like clocktowerreal, just one image for all floors since there's no overlap.).

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074380
>Then the original developer got a C&D from Capcom and shut everything down, just before it was completed.
Now Im sad.

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>>21099437
The most tragic part about the whole thing is really how close it was to completion.

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>>21099437
NASA should send Capcom a C&D.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21085110
He updated to 2017 then. Basically means every version before 2017 is now incompatible. Thanks microshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21099523
THIS
NASA basically owns space and anything spacelike in Capcom's history would warrant the C&D of Capcom
"Earth is in space and we own the concept of space. We insist you cease and desist any and all progress, process, threats, legal interactions with any and all persons of Earth and the disbanding of Capcom Company."

Fucking legendary. Capcom backs off and disbands because NASA has the rights to space and earth and any other planet or celestial body mentioned or seen at any point is rendered their property because matter so far is only found in space and Earth is just a collection of matter, meaning it falls into NASA jurisdiction, leaving them with the heaviest fist and pockets on the plane of existence with a deathlier grip than N1nt3nd0!
Shanghai.EXE gets back into action and the game is completed.

>>21100146
Oh fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>21100588
that and nasa coined the term capcom

[Anonymous No.]

bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>21103980
Please don't do that. If the OP has a new update, he can just make another thread.

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>>21098830
Is there anything special with a 'height' value?

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>>21105032
Haven't checked and don't know the units, but I think it controls how long a ramp is, since the inbetween isn't covered by the collision map.

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>>21094735
Sorry, I was away up until recently, but that is so much better. That looks legitimately confusing and the dead ends seriously would confuse first time players.

>>21094862
I hated that map. Such a nightmare to navigate.

[Anonymous No.]

Does Capcom and their attorneys realize they are going to hell for a Tango Down on a cute, beautiful girl like ShanghaiEXE?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21105511
It's the devs fault, they were the ones who brought paywalls into the matter. Capcom in general is really chill about fangames, as long as they're non-profit.

[Anonymous No.]

>version -0.1 map "editor"
https://mega.nz/#!VwpS1IxA!fWh21ES89YoWip2HUT5tZMaZmVaKZul-8u15SUDfKtA
It's not even an editor, all it does is parse the first line of a mapfile and put (half of it) together the same way the game does, except the parts that are broken like the background in rikaHP.
Still, the groundwork is there, and this is just a real quick test to make sure it works on other people's computers since I'm messing with GPU stuff now.
Let me know what goes wrong.

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>>21108189
Not functional for me. I'm using a GTX 750ti if that matters.

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>>21110699
Thanks, I'm betting I've screwed up loading in the textures, my own hardware probably let me get away with cramming everything together and other stuff that isn't the right way to do things.
I'll test on other hardware first, and hopefully I'll get something working soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21110832
Your efforts are appreciated, friend. Good luck.

[Anonymous No.]

Second attempt at a Mima chip still doesn't cooperate graphically but functions otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21111185
Not bad.

2500 damage though? Isn't that a bit much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21111212
It halves the hp of every enemy on the field.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21111218
Ohhhhh, I just thought it was 2500 x2, all good then.

[Anonymous No.]

I scraped the artists twitter when I realized that he had posted spritesheets there and I got lots of neat shit and some sprite sheets but no fucking druidman.
Finishing the main story was the first thing I wanted to 'finish' in a postgame but I'm going to need to get his graphics from a goddamn nico video.

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>>21111572
making attack predictions based on those sprites

1. those butterflies probably moved in a wave shape across rows,
2. she has some sort of slash with her fan
3. the fan also became an object to block attacks
3. those "fireballs" move straight ahead but at different speeds/multiple at once

[Anonymous No.]

>>21111572
Druidman most likely was Nameko's character, just like the rest of the main game cast. Honekaryudo only really did postgame stuff.

>>21111622
He posted animations for Yuyuko's attack patterns on his pixiv, and likely on twatter as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21108189
Nothing works for me either, GTX 1060 3GB

[Anonymous No.]

>>21111218
Pretty useless for viruses but absolutely (half) murders the bosses huh.
I kinda missed the discussion a thread back, but is MimaDS her only chip, or are there like regular Mima where she only took a quarter of HP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21112804
>Pretty useless for viruses but absolutely (half) murders the bosses huh.
Depends on the virus, some SP viruses have a massive amount of health and would get pretty fucked. And there's also some virus groups that depend on two or more of them working together that would get shut down if you can kill one of them fast enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21110699
>>21112525
>>21108189
https://mega.nz/#!IlpRyIKQ!lc7fFrUn19OiBAYbgbNSQQ-pXpU_ezACX8c5yTBsOQI
Try this one out, I still couldn't get it working on integrated graphics, but there might be other problems there.
There's also something wrong with the bottom-left triangle of gencity, but that's a problem for another day.

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>>21113297
Still nothing. What OS/Gpu do you have? And is the program using OpenGL or Direct X?

[Anonymous No.]

I wonder who this guy is supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113386
This guy too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113383
Shit.
Windows 10, OpenGL on a RX580 8gb.

I'm probably doing something fundamentally wrong, maybe trying to frankenstein the OpenTK tutorials into an editor wasn't the best idea, and I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be taking 100mb to show < 1mb of images.
I'll also get access to an ATI HD45xx in a bit where I can actually debug it, the integrated graphics one has been bloatwared to hell and can't even install visual studio, but I can't wipe it since I haven't had time to back up the valuable stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113429
You might have a memory leak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113435
I'm clearly demonstrating that I have no idea what I'm doing, but I don't think that's the problem since it holds steady at 100 and actually goes down a bit as it gets garbage collected.

I'll post source in a bit, maybe someone can pick out which problem in particular is causing it to fail. Debugging gpu-side glsl is a bitch though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113386
If you're asking for names, this one is Chemicalman and
>>21113388
Volcanoman. No idea outside of that. Maybe the former is Eirin's NetNavi?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113388
here's the text with that guy, so I guess he's volcano man or something similar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113517
shit forgot image but I was sniped so it didn't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>looking at the artists tweets
>see actual art for captured viruses
>see art for the fuckhuge dragon's chip

IT'S NOT FAIR.

[Anonymous No.]

Hot theory: Chrono X devs ratted out Koki to Capcom because they were jealous his game was better and that's the only reason Shanghai died.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113576
I still think the hottest theory is that it wasn't Capcom but ZUN

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>>21113603
ZUN lets people sell their fangames for like 80 bucks on shit like PSN and Steam, why would he care if someone else's fangame makes like 500 yen on ci-en?

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>>21113576
Come now, there's no reason to put the blame on others.
I do agree CX is a bit meh. For some reason the gameplay feels a lot slower than Shanghai. Haven't touched BN in a while, so I'm not sure if Shanghai is actually the faster one.

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>>21113631
shanghai is actually way faster than say, BN6, from my experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113631
CX is slow as fuck, even though giver is a dev for it and is incredible at BN the game is just not great so far
>oc are terribly sprited and in the case of raven fucking edgy
>viruses are amateur at best and a lot of tilesets are reused
>chips are boring

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>>21113618
I think his issue is specifically the "the current product is behind this pay wall, also it's a monthly payment, also there's no guarantee the game will be finished."

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113638
This, both gameplay-wise and plot-wise.

My favourite part is that Shanghai wrapped up its tournament arc in like half an hour when it took BN4 basically the entire game.

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>>21113652
>Shanghai wrapped up its tournament arc in like half an hour when it took BN4 basically the entire game
No that wasn't an arc that was the game's plot.

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>>21113603
My crackpot theory is that Koki just straight up bailed and made up a Capcom C&D. The last quarter of the game is rushed as hell (see: Border Concern), the undernet maps have an empty invisible path, and one's just a big empty space.

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>>21113645
"I can't guarantee the game will be finished so I'll make 100% sure it won't" is a bit of a silly reasoning, especially when it was already like 95% done.

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>>21113638
Honestly AreaGrab being an active chip is definitely the best changes Koki made. Like holy shit how is that not an official thing.

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>>21113664
I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 100% reactionary thing based on principle, because the demos were all public until shortly before it was shut down

he might have just seen that an unfinished product was being "sold" and said fuck that.

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>>21113631
I'd have to pull out a physical cart of mmbn because I'm pretty sure there is some sort of input lag with emulation (that or you are just slow in mmbn3)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113495
https://mega.nz/#!U9YTyISS!f6I1wdRIrcb11P2D88P7nHctg6tv0zYtHZiRxEr6g4Q
Here you go, hope you can figure out where I'm going wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113576
>>21113631
Interestingly, Koki replaced his battle music with Chrono X battle themes back when he was working on Okuu's scenario (this was before her sprite was drawn, so she was a Flire v1 with a green mugshot of regular Utsuho). I couldn't figure out why the music is so shit all of a sudden until I went back to rewatch a CX stream because the game was brought up on /v/.

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>>21113652
That's because the tournament was treated like an afterthought to give you an excuse for the trip to Ingles, with barely any relevance to the plot at all. And all points to it being a reference to BN3 rather than BN4 - it's even sponsored by a rich villain, and called N1.

>>21113663
He's been working on the game up to the last week, and added a lot of things, like functional maps of new areas (specifically Deep Area 1 and 2), new bosses (Flandre was finished somewhere in late November or early December, and Cybeast was literally the last thing he did before it was cancelled), many new client orders, miscellaneous stuff like quizzes and bug frag traders, new game+ mechanics, etc. Border Concern in particular looks like it was one of his favorite parts of the plot. Also, this wasn't even the first time he had to announce changes related to the game's development without disclosing (((why))) it had to be done, though the last time he made an announcement it was about the cancellation of the game's business plan. Specifically, the game wasn't going to be sold retail like it was originally planned.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21114488
Did Reisen took out a bloody bazooka. The hell, Shanghai's NetPolice is far more ruthless.

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>>21113657
I still wonder what goes on in Capcom's mind when they brainstorm the ideas for BN4. "Hey, let's make THE WHOLE GAME consists of tournaments with a bunch of self-contained scenarios, and let's make NG+ MANDATORY if players want to 100% the game. Or better yet, NG++!".

[Anonymous No.]

>>21114513
considering they are in a post-gundam world, complete with a space war, they have to be

[Anonymous No.]

Playing this game has reminded me just how much I suck at building folders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21116590
Just find a program advance you like, build in that code. Alternatively go with S or L code

[Anonymous No.]

>>21116618
An L code folder with an MHalberd advance is what I'm using right now, but it's starting to feel weak against bosses, and certain viruses. It's just kinda thrown together around the Halberd chips with other L and * chips I had.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21116590
Find a strong chip or chip you really like and build around that. Use the chip code guide that's floating around.
I dunno if it's still like this in the current build, but there's ahead-of-the-curve viruses here and there in single-room Internets. I recommend the jumping guys in the doghouse outside Alice's house. Their chips are really fucking good and a great place to start building a folder.

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>>21116650
Gunhoppers in the flower bed, right? Yeah I've got a few Shotgun2s in L from them.
Looking it over again it's more of a * folder with some Ls and one or two other codes. It needs work. I'll have to look around for that chip code guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21116590
The chips in this game are pretty powerful. You can build a folder around Navi codes as their codes tend to have chips that work okay together. Sakuya, spanner man, Marisa, medicine, and yorihime are good choices.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21116618
>>21116639
PAs are often weak compared to single chips stacked with Atk+, especially against bosses. But KillerDoll is pretty powerful against viruses, and you can get the S code version early.

Too bad alphabetical PAs are even more fucked in this game than they are in Battle Network.

[Anonymous No.]

As someone with no knowledge of such things, could this potentially be ported to 3DS or or Vita?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21117591
I wish, but as far as I know it'd involve rewriting the whole thing in C++.
Which is possible, the source is right there, but definitely not a small task.

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>>21117591
Like the other anon said, I doubt either of them supports C#.

>>21116697
I have a list of all chips in 0.432 and description of most of them, but not sure how well it applies to 0.502 and anon's mod.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21117591
Technically possible, but you'd have to rewrite so many things I'd rather start over and remake the game rather than properly port it.

[Anonymous No.]

I've managed to put most of Flandre's sprites into a usable format (annoyingly, the sprite sheets uploaded by the artist are not aligned to I need to move everything around pixel by pixel) and I could probably do the same for volcanoman, chemicalmal, and Yuyuko, making separate attack sheets for each.
CirnoBX and Hecatia will take an enormous amount more of effort because I only have those videos and not the sprite sheet png.

I need to learn a bit more about how the code uses navi graphics and do a bit more work with messing with navi attacks and variables (I don't really understand how the different speed variables and wait time actually work, and I have no idea at all how the animation point stuff works) but with some effort I can probably put together these fights.

With chips, I managed to fix the graphics for Mima's chip so the thunder flashes actually happen. I tried remaking the Utsuho DS chip into her Giga Flare, but had some very weird issues with the graphics not going the right speed and the chip itself having timing issues. I might need to rewrite the code to animate manually within the switch statement rather than how Uthuho.cs does it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21118174
The not quite working chip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21113800
Unfortunately I have extremely little experience with gpu coding, so I can't really look through this without doing some prior studying.

[Anonymous No.]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eBJbHBq9jp5VXAPODIqYErH56HUk9PvLfbRBsdiH334/edit?usp=sharing
I found this. Maybe it'll help with translations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21118539
If nohing else it has info that isn't even in this version of the game, so it helps with recreating those bits.

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>>21118570
Excellent! I wasn't sure if I should post it at all, but figured the worst that could happen was that it would simply have redundant info.

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>>21118539
That has a bunch of dialogue needed for finishing the ending and 'proper' translations for everything that was google translated. And some info on unfinished chips.

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>>21118539
god damn it
If I had that two months ago, it would have been real helpful.
I haven't gone through too much of it, but at least I wasn't too far off, except for the parts that google translate gave me straight up gibberish for, or those japanese puns, where I just made up just enough to not "break immersion".
If anyone wants to go through that and fix up the language files, I'd be happy to swap them in, but otherwise I'm content never touching the language files again.
Much appreciated though.

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>>21118591
Just looking through it real quick, any of the post-game stuff (and even seemingly some NPCs to place around town/the net) is obviously something we didn't have, it seems to include all the story dialogue after this version ends, names of requests after 17, unfinished chips, names of areas we don't have and such

It's all really impressive.

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>>21118610
>>21118625
Geeze. I apparently stumbled upon a goldmine without even realizing it. Definitely glad I posted it now if it'll be that much of a help moving this project along.
All I was doing was looking for a chip code guide.

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>>21118659
Wait, so you found that by accident google searching and aren't some guy that used that?
Wew.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21118659
I can't believe your google-fu is so weak it loops back around to being good.

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>>21118732
Well that's not entirely true. I DID find a guide, but it was an old one made shortly after 0.4 released. There were a couple of links on an overview page that I followed on the off chance I might find something more up-to-date, and ended up with that instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21118174
something worth considering, is that it looks like the artist is doing something else besides just shanghai art, and my guess is that it might be kirby related, so volcano and chemical man might not actually be intended for shanghai.

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>>21118826
Despite the obvious NetNavi design?
That said, the artist did tweet that he also did some sprite arts just for the kick. Hilariously, this is a few days (I think?) before he posted Mima, who is in the game proper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21118826
The panels in their video's aren't the shanghai panels, but if they don't clash with the shanghai artstyle I may as well use them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21118226
That's pretty cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21118896
>I may as well use them
Wait. You can do that? I was under the impression you and the others only put what's already implemented but just not in the game properly. You're saying you can actually put something new?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21119211
Yeah. I just need to learn more about how the enemy code works. I need to know more about the chip code, but I've made a couple chips (one of which was actually a planned chip, funny enough) and could put in new graphics for them.

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>>21119211
Different anon, but the nice thing about C# is that unless you go out of your way to obfuscate it, you can decompile it pretty much exactly back to source code.
The main hurdle is figuring out how the original developer did things, but that's just so we can do the same and develop it ourselves.
The efforts here are about 50:50 learning that and trying to recreate what the dev did since, besides the whole paywall-shutdown thing, he made a damn good (85% of a) game and knew what he was doing.
Hell, you could even start making a MMBN collection changing surprisingly little in the code, just a bunch of busywork copying things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21118888
I mean like a Kirby themed battle network, like how shanghai is touhou themed battle network

[Anonymous No.]

>>21120106
That sounds really interesting to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21120127
keep in mind, the reason I think this is because he showed chips with pink shape icons, and the tweet says the name Dyna Blade.

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>>21108189
>>21113800
https://mega.nz/#!pxQxyIAS!0PFWIboAOVzjoG1bsENeKJa_vlIFnYjfhIXrSlFFZJ8
Pretty sure I've got it this time, it still runs like ass and mousewheel scrolling likes to break randomly (+shift to scroll horizontally when it's not), but it works on an ATI HD 7800 and two other machines so there's that.
If anybody was curious, apparently the "out flat int" declaration just decides to be invalid on some implementations, and you have to use "flat out int" instead.
That and the few guides I read online told me to minimize draw calls, so I went rather too far in the other direction and allocated space for 1024 cached sprites in one call. Which, again, is allowed some places, but not others. Also highdpi shenanigans.

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>>21120181
I know nobody could possibly be this dumb, but I'm imagining somebody wondering how to get around a Capcom C&D and deciding "hey, let's use Nintendo characters instead!"
"Kirby-themed battle network" is a phrase I thought I'd never hear though.

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>>21120181
I also see Cool (or is that War?) Cutter, Ultra Sword, G Snow Hammer, Plasma Barrier, Ice Tornado, and Condor Dive. All of which can be connected to Kirby's ability.
Not sure about the others.

[Anonymous No.]

https://mobile.twitter.com/honekaryudo/status/1105072923574849536/photo/1
Welp. Any doubts I have is dispelled. He's actually making sprite arts for what seems to be Kirby-themed BN.
On the other hand, I'm not sure if he's doing this just for fun or what not. I mean his Pixiv has MH-themed battlechips too, and Koki is apparently developing a different game.

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>>21120545
Are there MH-themed chips? All I know is Rathalos, and that's not what that virus is called in the original. PSO references are also not as heavy-handed in the original as they are in the translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21120572
Not in the game, no. Which is what I'm talking about him making it for fun.

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>>21120362
Hey something showed up

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>>21122772
Fantastic, now I can start on the editor bits and showing actual map objects.
Thanks for testing my shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21120362
Editor didn't open Last Floor properly, and the undernet backgrounds didn't show up either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21116697
You don't need too limit yourself too one code THAT much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21123710
Fast Gauge isn't * in this game, you really don't want clogged draws against an SP5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21123641
Working on the backgrounds, might just replace what I have and copy+paste his code exactly, it's very odd. Lastfloor says it has 0 frames, for example.
Still no idea what's wrong with gencity though, it's like the triangle is one pixel off, except no other map has that problem.
Hopefully I'll get it fixed by the time the actual editing functions are in.

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>>21123722
Judging by his folder, he ain't fighting SP5s any time soon. And two or maaaaaaybe three codes doesn't cause much clogging anyway. Pic related.
Booting this dead game back up for those screenshots caused me physical pain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21123773
I used pic related to beat the SP5 gauntlet and even the few T chips I had did clog in some fights.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074380
Hey. Do any of you faggots have the last translated version prior to 0.502?
I held off looking since I was lazy but I came across a link with the downloadable versions but it was to geocitied and I forgot yo archive anything

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>>21125245
you bet I do, as well as base 0.502 and the ost https://mega.nz/#F!YLxVDaSQ!wu9q9xiL-S6HC_usscHobA

[Anonymous No.]

I just caught wind of you faggots.
I love you all. Keep up the good work.

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>>21082580
The Flandre situation is almost definitely a request. Going by Dev Stream Anon's videos and explanations and the guide that got posted, it's a request from Remilia to find Flandre, and the last request in the guide.

I'm curious how that one ends myself, haven't seen much beyond Flandre's boss fight.

>>21111572
Just digging through the NicoVideo a little tells me the quality is terrible for sprite rips, so I wish you all the luck with DruidMan. You'll likely need to use creative license anyways, none of the attacks he used matches the Venom Drain mentioned in his navi chip very well.

>>21111622
Honekaryudo's Pixiv is an excellent resource for Yuyuko info if you can translate japanese. He's got all of her attack animations there, + explanations on all the abilities he designed for her.

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>>21126752
Flandre's request ends in the Scarlet Conglomerate HP almost immediately following the event in Eien area, where you get the key. I'm more curious how it starts, because I don't have a good video of any of it. After you beat Flandre you just get Lavateiinn L from Flan and HpUp500 addon from Sakuya. Oh, and you find out that Flandre is Remilia's sister.

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>>21127084
>Flan is Remi's Hub

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>>21127084
That's... an interesting development. IF it ever develops past that one quest.
So Flan has Bass' signature looks and Megaman's backstory. Where does that leaves Shanghai?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21128974
She also has Megaman's backstory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21128974
>Where does that leaves Shanghai?

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>>21127084
Hm... we know that Remilia put up a request to find Flandre (I'm confident it's the "Please Find My Sister" one mentioned in the guide). I also recall someone saying that she briefed Alice on the situation, and that you go to at least the Undernet and Eien Area before the Scarlet Conglomerate HP. From those pieces, we can assume there's a lot of searching around, probably getting tidbits of what she's been up to before you find her boss fight.

It also sounds like Flandre can be found on Remilia's HP after the request is done. I guess she has two navis now?

[Anonymous No.]

every tred

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>>21131251
I said that she briefed Alice. Thing is, I never got to translating that part, because it's very low resolution (I don't have a video of that event in-game, only in event editor), and I'm currently a little busy again. All I know for certain is that Alice talks to Flandre and Sakuya at the beginning, and then there is an evil navi (the kind you get dark chips from) involved. The next video starts in the Undernet, but I'm not sure if the dark girl navi that Shanghai talks to is involved in Flandre's plot. The part in the Eien area is the only one I actually manage to translate, and it's followed directly by those vids of Flandre in Scarlet Conglomerate HP.

[Anonymous No.]

Do we have anything on Youmu & Yuyuko beyond their attacks?

And is there anything on that huge dragon thing besides a name? (According to Honekaryudo's Twitter, it's called 'Erugia')

[Anonymous No.]

>>21132394
youmu is 100% coded into the game, just not set up to be fightable normally, but people have made her fightable, along with mima.

[Anonymous No.]

How much damage do you guys think a Giga chip should max out at?
And how much damage for a Navi Chip?
With Flandre's dark chip I'll have made all the dark chips I want to make (they all need some minor graphical adjustments and Utsuho's chip needs some timing fixes), and I'll be making Navi chips at similar times as making bosses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21132456
giga around 200 AOE or 500 single target

v1 ~50 AOE, ~70 single, subtract 10-20 for additional effects
v2 ~70 AOE, ~100 single, subtract 15-25 for effects
v3 ~90 AOE or ~150 single, subtract 20-30 for effects

numbers pulled completely out of my ass.

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>>21132394
I think I have videos of Youmu's and Yuyuko's pre-fight events. Since they were White Heaven Area bosses, they don't have much of a story associated with them beyond that. The red dragon is the cybeast that was supposed to reside in Deep Area, but I think all I have is 2 hours of Koki trying to align its battle sprites correctly. No attack animations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21125283
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>21132456
Without taking status and AoE into account.
>Giga
BassGS clocked at 700 single-hit damage, so that's a good max point.
Multi-hit usually goes around 200-300 if it's under three times, 50-150 more than that.
>Navi
Assuming V3;
Single-hit maxed out at 300.
Multi-hit at 100, as low as 50 if it can hit higher than five times.

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>>21132802
Are those 2 hours just Koki working on idle sprites? Or were there other sprites in the video. Any information might be useful if we have someone who wants to make a fight for it.

Pre-fight videos sound useful, could make it a little easier to rebuild White Heaven, given what we already have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21132970
It's been a while, but if you'd like, I might be able to do some pixel art if I get given some reference material. I'm a bit rusty and slow, but I do have some experience with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21135219
I just realized Druidman wears a tabard, and I kinda find that funny. What is he, sage of the NetNavis?

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>>21135274
DruidMan sort of strikes me as a DarkMan ripoff. I was actually thinking of how I would design a DruidMan fight and while I like the idea of him perhaps using the same elemental abuse as GodSoul Yorihime, the only idea that really comes to mind is perhaps him using dark chips like they're regular chips, since he's not a normal NetNavi.

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>>21135274
DruidMan sort of strikes me as a DarkMan ripoff. I was actually thinking of how I would design a DruidMan fight and while I like the idea of him using the same elemental abuse as GodSoul Yorihime, the only other idea that really comes to mind is him using dark chips like they're regular chips, since he's not a normal NetNavi.

Maybe something like him starting the fight with a dark aura and his common attack being dark wiper with the other attacks being dark versions of the ROM navis. Like Cirno's bombs that explode in a cross, Medicine's poison nuke that changes panels to a random assortment, Iku's chasing thunder that cracks panels, PyroMan's fire breath that matches Shanghai's weakness, Murasa's anchor bombs that swamps panels, ScissorMan's scythe toss that leaves behind timebombs instead, a Chen oni head at 50% HP, and Ran's huge triangle attack that gives him a 200 HP barrier after 50%.

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>>21135219
Sadly, the only reference I personally have for Erugia is the idle sprite. It's not enough to build anything from, which is why I'm wondering if there's others in the video that anon mentioned.

>>21135369
DruidMan used LifeMeteor to defeat Sakuya and TankMan during the school incident, so he definitely has access to dark chips.

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>>21135369
Darkman at least uses a cloak, which is 70% cooler compared to a tabard.

Jokes aside, I think that's a bit much. Seven regular attack patterns (three of them affects the panels too), two triggers, AND First Aura? He sounds more like a final boss than Kikuri is.
I would suggest removing Medi and Iku (who have since defected from ROM) and Pyroman (who wasn't even part of them in the first place).
Also maybe gives him Venom Drain, which is what his Navichip does. I imagine something like Nebula Grey's claws that sucks your HP.

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>>21135806
>LifeMeteor
Is this coded into the game? If so it'll be easier to implement into DruidMan's AI, right?

I suppose most of the dark chips though would be problematic to give to him, but modified versions might be doable so there's a tell.

>>21135855
Hm... so cross ice bombs, swamping anchor bombs, leaf? time bombs, earth? oni head, and vampiric claw attacks? I think that could work. That would actually work with his name too, he has mostly ground affecting attacks that come in aqua, poison, leaf, and earth varieties. Maybe instead of dark aura he should have lower HP than normal and be coded to use dark recov + time stop? So in theory you can prevent dark recov, but it won't be easy?

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>>21135879
Giving him both Dark Recovery and Venom Drain feels kinda redundant tho. Maybe combine them both, like if the claw catches you, time stops and he recovers HP and you loses yours.
I do like the idea, maybe gives him a trigger at 10% HP, so you have to hit him as hard as you can at the end or risk losing your progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21132970
The only video I have is him arranging the sprite sheet for that boss, and then checking how those sprites look at the beginning of the battle. He never even leaves the custom screen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21136084
Even this small clip gives us more information than we had. Not much to go on still, but sprites like that diagonal claw still gives some implications for his abilities

>>21135879
LifeMeteor is already coded into the game as a player Program Advance. Making DruidMan use it shouldn't be hard, though if possible you might want to remove the time-stop for balancing.

Personally, I'd only give DruidMan 5 attacks myself. Considering most ROM navis have 3 or 4, setting their leader at 5 seems like a good number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21136126
That sprite sheet may be incomplete, since there are no sprites for projectiles at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21136126
The attack counts are true. The elemental attacks and Life Meteor is probably enough for his base UI. If we give him vampiric drain as a desperation attack it probably wouldn't be too pushed. I could even see vampiric drain doing 500 and restoring 1000.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21136084
>>21136181
I can work with these. I might be able to have the basis by the end of the week. Although, it might be better to work on DruidMan, since he's one of the biggest problems with finishing the story.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21135219
>>21135274
>>21135369
>>21135855
>>21135879
>>21136023
>>21136126
>>21136237
>>21136255
Are you aware that have a video of the druidman fight?
https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm34009301

[Anonymous No.]

>>21136410
Wow, that will help a lot. He... Looks underwhelming though. Only three or so attack routines, none of which are life meteor or venom drain and was that a weakness? I think Chen v2 is probably more intimidating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21136511
No v1 is intimidating, and fighting an enemy that uses Dark PAs is not as fun as you think it would be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21136410
Unfortunately, I'm certain that video doesn't show every attack of his. It wouldn't be the first time koki's videos have neglected to show everything a boss can do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21135879
A weaker version of the multielement attack seems pretty cool, and would match the rom base level gimmick.
Random (chasing?) single-tile strikes of different elements leaving behind tiles (with heat after grass, elec after ice?).
If the chip wasn't already decided, it'd fit there too, and leave a nice combo like pyroman where you pen the enemy into one tile so all the strikes hit.
V2, V3 would make it so it's 2/3 random strikes, but that would be tough to balance between just increasing chance of hit on a 3x3 vs tripling damage on a 1x1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21137097
Even still, it's a good basis for sprite work. I think I could easily make that happen. I've even got some ideas as to how to make him less of a disappointment, because he definitely isn't finished in that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21137097
I'd already decided on a gimmick to give him (which the suggestions some of the people here have are spookily similar to) but if the other anon puts together a sprite sheet I may use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21127084

why is flandre.exe so tall

[Anonymous No.]

>>21137922
Why is everyone else so short

[Anonymous No.]

>>21137922
>>21138896
she's floating

[Anonymous No.]

>>/jp/thread/S18766555
Found a bunch of (old?) dialogue faces in a previous thread, I don't think they're in the code right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21141211
>her full game when it comes out in two(2) years
Never in my life has seeing the past hurt me so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074380
How do I place in new face graphics for use with the language files?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21142970
Other issue, I don't know how to make an attack flinch the player, which is pretty wanted for most of Flandre's attacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21142970
There's a couple of blank spots in some of the "face<x>.png" graphics that you can plug the faces into and use/rename the "Sheet<x>Face<y>Blank" or something enums in Common/something. The string the the Face="<name>" field is parsed as that enum type, and should match one of those values.
If you run out of slots or just want to group things together, I think you should be able to just add a new sheet and extend the list of enums, and it should still work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21143092
Alright, I'll be able to add in the face graphics for flan with that.
Any idea on >>21143027 ?
Players might be somewhat upset if they get hit two/three times by flandre's gear attack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21143027
>>21143122
Didn't see this one, but I wouldn't be able to answer from memory anyways. I'd start by take a look at chips, enemies, or tiles that do something similar, though.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean versus a regular attack though, do you mean i-frames, adding/removing the flinch animation, or something else?
I can take a look at the code later today, I haven't done much with battle code.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21143150
When the player is flickering and given mercy invincibility. Issue I've got is that the gear attack I made copying code from Mima's rock tower doesn't do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21143182
Can't say for certain, but I remember seeing either a flinch enum/flag or a bool somewhere.
That's the default behavior, so it'd be something added to its code file, unless its a subclass of something that doesn't give invis, or it uses a projectile and it's in there.
I can give you a clearer answer once I have the code in front of me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21143182
Looks like its the "invincibility" field, I set it to false in AttackBase and nothing gave invis anymore unless it was explicitly set.
Set it to true in your new attack's constructor and you should be good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21139031
Her legs are bent, and she's still taller than shanghai

[Anonymous No.]

https://mega.nz/#!t5IADKJY!euj7jm06IMT7lvr7YNK-nABrhDS9q7z3QMEikr8dU3Q
Been making some pretty ok progress on the editor since the graphics issues got ironed out, here's where I've gotten so far.
The buttons on the right of the expanders are to switch between (incomplete) section-specific controls and the raw text, so it's somewhat usable as an editor even right now.
I'm planning on fleshing out the Header section a bit more with stuff like hide/show levels, or up/down arrows for inputs, etc. but what I have so far is an example of what I'm planning to do with the other sections.
The only validation right now is for the raw text of the Header, so don't push it too hard or it'll crash/freeze (keep walkable area below 150x150x5).
The object rendering is also more of a proof-of-concept at the moment, but everything should have the right place/graphics, even if they render in the wrong order.

After I finish fixing the object rendering, here's what I'm planning on:
Interactive walkable area editing, clicking directly on the map to paint/set tiles.
Better map controls, hiding/showing specific levels/parts of levels.
Handling of special map objects like warps, allowing clicking on the map to go to the linked area.
Selective hiding/showing of objects based on the flags.

Let me know if there's anything I've forgotten or anything I should prioritize over those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21145103
And of course I just now notice that "Floor Height" is busted right after I post.
I'll figure out what's wrong with it tomorrow when I have a clearer head, the raw text editing should still work.

[Anonymous No.]

So what actually is 100% lost by this besides the dev updating the game. Was there a gap left unfilled? Was postgame never finished?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21145116
From someone who can't do shit but throw around ideas, your efforts are greatly appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21145125
In the base 0.502: main game finished up until the boss just before the final boss, so 95% done

Postgame not done at all

Multiplayer non-functional but exists

With anon's efforts: final boss fightable (but not the one before it), 2 post game bosses fightable, possibly soon to be 3 or 4, no post game areas,

Multiplayer still fucking dead beyond hope

[Anonymous No.]

>>21145471
The heavennet postgame area has no content, but the walkable areas, images, and decorations are there, so it won't have to be built from scratch, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know the frame data for the BN3 Bass Earth Breaker attack?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21145103
You're a legend, anon. Wish you best of luck with this.

[Anonymous No.]

Rate the quick palette change for SP I made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21149702
Silent Sinner in Red/10
Although the fan could be a different color. It kinda blends in too much.
How did you recolor the sprite anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21151021
put different color/hue filters over her in gimp until I found some colors I liked, then used the color select and 'fill all of selection' to replace the colors in the entire set.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21149702
should a little darker, I'd say try to make her pants more gray, maybe a darker red, and maybe make her skin closer to but not quite Serenade's

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still in the intro stage and I have to say this game is fucking amazing. They waste no time with slow ass early viruses and went into midgame difficulty right off the bat, including some decent chips like the bubble vulcan and plus bomb. It's also easy to farm for asterisk chips so far (I assume it's harder for stronger chips). Also why is multi-hit chips so fucking good? Is there a super vulcan equivalent here?
Damn, all this cool stuff really made me crave for some shanghai porn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21151422
It's only gonna get better, friend.

>all this cool stuff really made me crave for some shanghai porn.
Now why would you want something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21151422
>It's also easy to farm for asterisk chips so far (I assume it's harder for stronger chips

It's around 25% on any virus you S rank I believe, plus you get the chip of the last virus you kill. Once someone talks to you about them start walking along every wall in the internet to find invisible paths, also try to keep at least 2 unlockers on you at all times, and remember S code is best code.

[Anonymous No.]

I took the SP virus mission thinking it's going to be free money but they kicked my ass. How do I cancel it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21151422
So you like Vulcan chips, huh?
Wait till you get access to addons and one that basically turns your buster into one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21151620
Heh, another victim.
You can't cancel them. Just be careful in the area with that virus or take a job for another virus that's located in a more remote system.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21151629
That sucks. I didn't expect the weakest virus to have more hp than Cirno V2.

>>21151623
Vulcan + Full Sync shenaningans is fun. They're way stronger here too, easily reaching 100+ damage without attack+ chips

[Anonymous No.]

>>21151656
>I didn't expect the weakest virus to have more hp than Cirno V2.
then just stick in more of the panel breaking chips and use the holes as cover.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21151656
You'll quickly find that going in with random chips isn't gonna cut it with a lot of the SP Viruses. You need go in with a strategy and often have to build a unique folder around them. Like the other anon said, for KedamaSP, use PanelShot chips to create holes to use as cover.
As a side note, while you can freely swap between Virus Bounties, you won't be able to freely swap between Mission Board jobs. Once you take one of those jobs you can't swap out or cancel the job you're on until it's done.
And yeah, dakka shenanigans are awesome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21151422
Many stronger chips don't have * code. As a rule, only v1 chips have * as one of the guaranteed codes they come in. This includes v1 navi chips.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21148603
How do you get that, exactly? I can probably get a shot of him doing EB, but I don't really know how to read frame data.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21153828
I guess you'd have to record a video and check frame by frame, which means I'll be recording some BN3 later. I want to know how fast its supposed to be because dodging Flan's version of the attack is hard even with the obvious charge up warning.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm almost done making flandre but Lævateinn is buggy and not working correctly alongside the game crashing when I try to make it so Flandre has access to her fifth attack beneath half health (I think it involves the random function's interaction with the enum?).
She needs some minor graphical adjustments to make it so she is properly placed with her shadow in the center of the panel, but is entirely functional otherwise so I'll probably start working on yuyuko or chemicalman soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2-KNnAcbV4

[Anonymous No.]

>>21155725
Flandre is too fast, by the way. I may need to reduce her speed overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21155727
Not fast enough. Also great job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21155727
that is perfectly fine attack speed, it's just the maze of love

https://youtu.be/3OVGSOr_S-M?t=356

[Anonymous No.]

One thing I always wanted to add to the boss AI if I ever got around to editing the game's code is this.

[Anonymous No.]

How many styles can you hold at once?
and how many battles are required for a style change?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21157448
Four styles plus Normal style
Every fifty battles

[Anonymous No.]

>>21157077
>dev has to start-scum to beat his own boss

I don't feel ashamed of it anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>21154733
Assuming this >>21155725 is Flan's EB, I think she has less startup compared to Bass. Course I didn't check it thoroughly, and that might've been her higher version compared to regular Bass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21159486
That one is on a sand panel, but thanks for the video.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21159360
The "turbo button" should also support lower update rates for testing/cheating, though you'll have to enable it in the extra options.

[Anonymous No.]

I've come across a weird bug while making a new chip. When I had the game give me a new chip via a conversation with a sprite, new chips past the second didn't show up in the folder edit menu. It was a new illegal chip with an internal number of 380 and a mb of 30, if that matters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21161187
Is the lookup in ChipBase updated to include entries for the new chips so ItemGet returns the right thing?
All I can think of right now, sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21161551
Yeah. I may need to test out things to figure out if this is specific to illegal chips or just this chip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21155727
Her speed is fine. The lack of mercy invis and the frequency of attack isn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21155727
Use the chip that makes enemies heavy and sandstage. She moves about as fast as Sakuya and unless she's immune to panel effects she won't be able to move. Or you could set chaingun as your regular and try to get a counter.

[Anonymous No.]

Post folders

[Anonymous No.]

>>21165924
I wish I had those brave swords and Sakuya X

[Anonymous No.]

>>21165924
I'm not at the end of the game yet but this is what I'm currently using. With AquaWitch and Chip Charge for maximized Bubble Blaster damage

[Anonymous No.]

>>21165924
I need to get another Z-Saber Z. Still waiting for a Youmu PA.

[Anonymous No.]

The (second) strongest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21165875
I thought she has both Air and Float like Bass? Though all things considered that might've been a bit too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21167987
In the webm of her using Bass' earthbreak she's getting slowed down by the sand.>>21155725
Just set something like sandstage/road or tortoiseman as a regular and give her the heavy debuff and she won't be able to move.

[Anonymous No.]

>Map Editor Release
https://mega.nz/#!JkJT1YIZ!i_gvuN3NsGJZQ93Z8AA16dKTF3cFWc4c4wFhDpu8MdY
>Map Editor Source
https://mega.nz/#!p4JznajD!mgBH3i0aCUWNhlSP7mZYc5c1XKpx39GBl4SnQu-bP3U
I'm back and begging for more help, this time it's hitboxes kicking my ass.
I think I've got most the cases down, they seem to line up except for a handful of offsets specific to mysterydata, etc., but some touch events (but not others, see V2 Cirno fight in GenNet2) are off by some factor I just can't figure out.
Examples are the map transitions in pic related and CityNet, the mats in the Shrine Comps (jinja1.shd), and the hands in the clocktower comps.
I've tracked the interaction logic down to SceneMap.cs:590, and if I ram my head into the wall I'll probably puzzle it out in a week or so, but if anyone has any insights before then, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21169712
I'm going to be sleeping soon but I'll check that out tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21169712
Even now there is hope for man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21169712
I see Yuuka. Hello Yuuka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21170146

[Anonymous No.]

>>21169712
>this clusterfuck of the map with every event at once
good times

[Anonymous No.]

>>21172410
How did he filter which events to show normally?
Probably looking at the wrong recordings, but I can't find one where he's using the editor.
Only idea I've got is to compose a list of terms by object/similarity, and dump a list of checkboxes to toggle them.

[Meganonymous No.]

Wow, this really looks promising

[Anonymous No.]

>>21169712
Sometimes when switching between maps data gets fucked like pic related, and trying to go back to other maps can sometimes crash it.
>mapEventBase.LunPage.hitrange.X != 0 || mapEventBase.LunPage.hitrange.Y != 0
'if this interaction is a flat line'
>vector stuff
sets up some stuff with interacting with the player? as a hitbox I think
>big set of if's
Looks like 'weird' hitboxes are set based on some math from internal stuff in the grid to make it so the player doesn't walk through some objects.
Stuff in the if starting at line 597 and the ones on line 607 and 647 seem to be relevant to events, with a touch event on 650. I wasn't interested in this part of the code because I was focusing on stuff like battles, but he seems to be using an algorithm to make the hitboxes.

[Anonymous No.]

There's a hidden path in Undernet 10 with a PMD that has the darkchip+ addon. But it's red so if you want to use it you won't be able to use undershirt/anger mind/crimson noise/starforce shield and it's 6/3.
It's pretty useless, but then again the gigafolder NCPs were also useless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21173978
What's really getting to me is how some of the hitboxes are spot on (GenNet2 security cubes, ROM barriers, Cirno V2), but others are off in completely unrelated ways (CityNet1 map transitions are perfect on one axis but not the other, the shop is off by both while the GenNet2 shop is fine), and for the life of me I can't figure out the common/differentiating factors.
It doesn't help that here of all places we don't get variable names, I guess I'll have to try changing things and seeing how they affect the real game.

I'll try to get to the bottom of the loading mixup/crash through.

[Meganonymous No.]

Maybe try creating your own hitbox algorithm and see how that works. Yeah, not having variable names is one of the big no-no's of programming, especially when you're making a game. Everything should be labelled clearly. I say that, and yet I utterly suck at programming lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074380
Interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>21174843
Can't blame him here, I think it's a decompiler thing since everything's very neatly (but completely uselessly) named num1, num2, etc.
Now that I think of it, it's probably since they're local variables, which I guess should make me grateful that he used member variables so many other places. But not too grateful.

I did figure out the case for collision objects, turns out I removed the hitbox offset values while testing, and some of them still worked since there's an automatic -8,-8 offset which I was missing that their (then nonexistent) hitbox offsets cancelled out.
Now all that's left are the touch events, then I can finally move on to actual editor functionality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21165924

[Anonymous No.]

>>21177771
I'm curious how this one is used, there's a whole lot of stunners and area/position control, but I'm not sure what they're a setup for.
Is there a PA I'm forgetting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21177894
elecchain2 + magstorm + stungame = flashbang
250 undodgeable stun to every thing.
crashlink3 to freeze the ground to make flashbang do 500, monkeypole/tailwind to push enemies forward into the firenets or the crashlink mines.
I think he's using either elec or aqua witch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21177990
I wish I could come up with strategy like this. I just stuff a bunch of attack chips in my folders and call it a day.
Although at the very least, I don't do alphabet soup.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know any chip commands?
Knife/Silver Knife: Down + Right
Charge Cannon: fully charged buster
Tankman: BBB
Iku: RRL or LLR

[Anonymous No.]

>>21178254
Yorihime has:
Left for three X-shaped slashes
Up for three widesword slashes
Right for three fightersword slashes
I think there's one more to make her do sonic booms but I don't remember the command at the moment

[Anonymous No.]

>>21165924
Not optimized, but the fire+blind/grass/counter combo is pretty nice.
When HakutakuMan X was fire element, that was 2400 even on enemies without element bonus.
Everything else is for counter or general damage, probably could swap some out for more fire.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21179036
HakutakuManX isn't Fire anymore
The hell? I haven't used it at all in the latest demo so I didn't even notice

[Anonymous No.]

>>21179036
>HakutakuManX isn't Fire anymore
The hell? I haven't used it at all in the latest demo so I didn't even notice

[Anonymous No.]

Is there an NPC or someone that tells you where the V3 bosses are?
Chen V3 is in Under 3 and Scissorman V3 is in Under 4, but their V2s are in different areas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21175128
>all that's left are the touch events
I'm pretty sure the real equation isn't an offset of width/sqrt(2) + 8, height/sqrt(2) + 8, but unless someone can figure out what's actually going on, it's as close as I'm going to get for the majority of cases.
If you feel the need to make a pixel-perfect touch-event maze I can take another look, but until then I'm focusing on the rest of the editor.
I'll be back when I've got at least a skeleton for the rest of the map sections, I guess.

>>21179540
It's not too user friendly, but I put a script-generated chip drop .csv in the misc folder of the source.
You can ctrl-f the chip name and just skip past the v1, unless someone feels like putting together a nicer guide.

[Anonymous No.]

Question, does Navi PA still only works with V2? Is it possible if you can make it work with V3?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21180589
navi PA's still require V2, and it should stay that way to give the V2 chip a purpose

V1: * code
V2: Program Advances
V3: Power

[Anonymous No.]

>>21177771
If you have the error frags you can put darkstorm and hotstorm F and another float barrier F to do the falzar PA.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21165924
>relying on PAs
>not just stunlocking everything to death

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone's game seem to crash often when counter-farming MarisaV3 with a virus?

[Anonymous No.]

This doesn't seem right.
I don't think I've even seen a green female NormalNavi sprite

[Anonymous No.]

>>21183815
Someone else reported a handful of crashes with viruses and I made a fix that I thought got all of them, but I don't use viruses so I never tested it thoroughly.
I'll try a few things out, but do you have any more info or consistent steps to reproduce the crash?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21183870
I've just been fighting Marisa using only my V3 Ghost virus with max HP to farm bugfrags, saving after each run in the process.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21183870
>>21183897
Alright, I know what the cause is, it happens after defeating bosses while turbo mode is active.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21183870
>>21183897
The crash only happens after defeating a boss, and it happens often after activating turbo mode, though it has crashed for me without turbo mode also.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21183870
>>21183924
I think the cause is using autobuster excessively, I am able to reliably farm without crashing by not using my buster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21183957
Sorry, nothing's coming up for using a virus, turbo, or buster.
If you're tech-savvy you could build and debug from source but otherwise I'm just not having any luck figuring out where to look.

[Anonymous No.]

God I love grinding certain chip codes for PAs. It reminds me of BN3. Actually feels good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21184459
BN3 had easy bugfrag grinding with the reflect program and a folder full of chips that give easy counterhits. I don't know why they removed that in the games afterwards, it makes using bugfrag shops/traders an insane pain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21184582
Probably due to folderback being so easy to get. the gigachips that were bugfrag locked were always the most OP gigachip of their game excluding the bass gigachips.

[Anonymous No.]

How realistic is functional multiplayer as a goal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21185213
I've yet to get the net play system in the code to connect to a computer that isn't itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21183862
You see one in a certain side quest. It's Yuuka's navi.

[Anonymous No.]

What type of guy is Shanghai's type? She mentioned that she isn't into Tankman or Spannerman so burly guys are out of the question.
Is she into /ss/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21188432
She's into me, her husband.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21188432
She did call HakutakuMan cute during the tournament.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21188432
>>21188460
This.

[Meganonymous No.]

I would think Shanghai's love interest is Henchie, or any other one of her purple servants. She seems like the submissive type to me, obviously, so I'm guessing she's into S&M ;)

I'm a Marisa man myself though

[Anonymous No.]

>>21188432
Given how dominating she is, I think she'd prefer someone who can keep up and maybe fight back a little instead of being submissive.

[Anonymous No.]

How far have you made on the SP5 gauntlet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21190147
Beaten it twice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21190147
Got like 3 Navis deep then realized I'm not good enough at BN games nor cared enough about boss rushes to continue on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21190147
I've only gotten to PyroMan

[Anonymous No.]

>>21186842
So she doesn't play much role in the game huh. Pity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21082580
>>21082607
cute slutty NPC

[Anonymous No.]

So how much is currently translated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21189215
>Shanghai
>submissive
we played the same game, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21194676
The entirety of the latest demo, which has a 95% complete maingame, only missing the last two bosses (and the final boss is coded in, just not used. DruidMan's not in the game at all though)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21194676
Everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074380
Does anyone have a bunch of tiles for this? how do you open .she files? maybe I should just peek around in the source?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21189783
So HakutakuMan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21194864
All the resources are in the source, in the MapData and Graphics folders, though you'll need Python3+pycryptodome to repack the resources into the .tcd and .she files.
If you've got VS 2017 too you can just build the solution and I've got build steps to handle that.
I'll see if I can remember to put the instructions in the next time I post the source.

The .shd files are just text files in a slightly modified version of the original dev's map format, for the new method of showing english/japanese text.
He used his own map editor to make the originals, which I am slowly but surely (but mostly slowly) trying to recreate.

[Anonymous No.]

so this is still getting polished up/fixed by fans then yeah? because a friend and I are big bn fans and wanted to play this, but we're also pretty patient so I'd probably want to wait for a more-or-less "final" build

[Anonymous No.]

>>21195097
I suppose. And hey, he has the benefit of being a cute shota. Question is would Keine allow it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21198419
It's gonna be a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21198670
oh ok so it is still actively being worked on? that's cool. we've got a massive backlog so we're in no rush, we can wait until it's finished

[Anonymous No.]

>>21198419
It's not really an organized effort, just a bunch of anons contributing what they can.
Judge for yourself if you're patient enough to wait for just the final boss and postgame, it's still in the "understanding how the code works" stage.
I'll probably post the next thread if nobody else does when I've got the basics of the map editor done, so I guess you can use that to gauge how much progress is being made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21198722
we generally don't do too much in terms of postgame, so once the final boss is in and you can go from beginning to end without problems, that's good enough for us

[Anonymous No.]

What is she doing here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21199900
She's trying to jump over the invisible rail and commit suicide again. The real answer is the whole area is unfinished, that's also why you can walk back into the boss cutscenes in all the ROM comps after beating them.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know where to find:
>Murasa V2/V3
>ScissorMan V2/V3
>Chen V2/V3
>Utsuho V2/V3

[Anonymous No.]

>>21200860
Answering real quick before the thread dies
>Murasa V2/V3
In the Ingles/Engles/whatever it was called area, in either 2 or 3, I can't remember
>ScissorMan V2/V3
I believe both are in Undernet 4, though V2 might be in Undernet 5
>Chen V2/V3
V2 is near where you jack into the phone booth outside of Border Concern, V3 is in Undernet 3
>Utsuho V2/V3
Unimplemented, but you can fight them by upping the difficulty before fighting Utsuho V1

[Anonymous No.]

>>21198734
One boss is missing both code and sprites (druidman) but they are the only main game thing that can't be recreated/finished ATM. The final boss is in the code and the last map is in the code, we just need to put in cutscenes, the point of no return and get it to save the 'beat the game' flag when you do.

[Diego No.]

I Want To Download The Full Game But Couldn´t Because I Don´t Have The Final Build Does Anyone Have It??