Elona Thread

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Old: >>20979670

>New? Start here:
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>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29851

>Elona+ Custom-G Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:29336

>Omake Overhaul English Release Thread:
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28909

>Current Version:
Elona+ 1.87 (2019-02-17)
Elona Omake Overhaul EN (2018-12-14)
>Latest Custom:
E+C 1.87.1 (2019-02-12)
Elona+ Custom-G 1.87.1.2 (2019-02-17)
Omake Overhaul EN Hack final release (2018-12-14)


Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to WINDOWS 7.
Using GIMP to create a sprite or PCC? Select "do not write color space" and save it as a 24-bit BMP.

[Anonymous No.]

The anon that did all the cool images like pic related needs to come back.

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>>21046985
The problem is that the OP images relied a decent bit on people having quotable shit in the actual threads.

[Anonymous No.]

I remember this one.

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>>21047465
I mean, she is part Baphomet.
The chuuni part.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't played the game in a while. Apparently E+ has pissing now, and OO actually got an update this month?

What all has changed, and what versions are people playing now?

[Anonymous No.]

Now that custom is dead, what will become of Elona+?

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>>21047641
If you want to experience Elona+ without the pissing and a few other disliked additions play Elona Plus, Add Custom, then add Custom-G to it.
You'll be 1 version behind though until BloodyShade returns.

>>21047664
If a year hasn't passed then custom isn't dead. This isn't the longest wait for a new update and it won't be the last.

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Where did BloodyShade go?

[Anonymous No.]

Seems relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow, that skeleton mage ambush in Lesimas was new to me.
And painful, with bad nerve resist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21046985
I miss that anon

[Anonymous No.]

What are some good attributes I should look for in living weapons? What should I level up?

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I've been playing and enjoying this game quite a lot. Would any Anon's have some tips for a beginner?

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Killing melee only mobs that are a lot higher level than me, by speed+teleport spamming, is kind of fun. Like one or two shots could potentially wipe me out, but they can never get that close.

I should REALLY get on with the story instead of just grinding in Act1. I know it's a waste of time but it's just so fun.
And I should also stop leaving the game up while tabbed out to other programs or while sleeping in real life. Since it pads the playtime so much.

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>>21048841
Attributes you should look for are extremely rare ones like time stopping.

From what I've read and experienced, what you should pick for level up depends on how far you are in the game and what you're using the weapon for.

For your main weapon, you want something that boosts offensive power.
Elemental damages will do you great in the earlier game, and/or if you want to apply things like wet (for lightning) or elemental scar/nightmare.
Absolute pierce and critical chance will do you well throughout the endgame.
I'm using a mix of them. Seems to work well.

For any secondary weapons, you could level them up as resistance sticks, to protect you from various elements. Like for whatever your armour and jewellery don't cover.

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>>21049339
Thanks anon. So crit and absolute piercing are what I'll look for. Do you also know how much magic resistance end game enemies will get? Will magic damage be useless at some point or will there be a limit to how much magic resistance they get?

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>>21049364
NPCs cap out at Superb (200 points) resists to all elemental magic and Normal (100 points) resist to "Magic" magic.
This is still pretty significant, so investing in resistance-reducing debuff spells is probably a good idea for tanky enemies/bosses.

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>>21049364
Straight magic specifically seems fairly unresisted. Highest resistance I've seen on mobs when wikia surfing is superb. Nothing so far has been completely immune to it, like cResEle flagged NPCs for every other element.
But I'm really not sure if that changes in the end game.
Superb is pretty relevant so those mobs will cut some of the extra damage down of it if you don't debuff them.

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>>21049404
Also when I say they cap, I mean the natural resistance all enemies get. They still get things like species resistance on top of that, so even with debuff spells you probably don't want to use, say, a fire spell on a fire enemy. Maybe Meteor, because it hits THAT hard.

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>>21049413
In that case, then as far as elemental damages goes, magic damage would be still the most convenient method even in end game settings unless I go to wet plus lightning route, right?

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>>21049065
Yerles is a very safe choice for your race. Fairy and snail are gimped. Mutant is RNG-dependent and isn't a good choice for beginners. Golem is a good powergaming race if you use the riding skill. Juere is good as a convenience pick since they need less food and find more materials. Your starting class isn't especially important. The exception is in omake variants where ninja and samurai are good choices.

Hypnotism and exorcist are two feats every character should have. Strings assassin is an alright substitute for hypnotism in plus. Also take guts in omake. I also like to take dimensional move since it's one of the most reliable escape options in the game, but there's some reasonable disagreements about its value. Hypnotism and blade strings never miss so abuse them in the early game when your accuracy is bad.

Start out by doing lots of safe jobs in town. Avoid combat until you have basic equipment and a level or two. Gardening quests, I want it quests, escort delivery quests are all good. Make sure you have enough time for escorts and deliveries. Avoid beauty and the beast quests early on. Doing these will get some starting gold and equipment, and more importantly you'll earn platinum which can be used to learn new skills.

Riding is a very good early game skill because it's the easiest way to raise speed and speed is the most important stat. You can learn the skill in Yowyn. They also sell horses there and higher level ones become available as you progress. Late game riding is still viable, but methods of raising your own speed open up and make it less necessary.

A pet or two can make things much easier. The little girl is the best of the starting options. I find that a wizard of elea bought from the slave trader in derphy helps a lot in the early game, though they might not scale up well later on. If you want to powergame, metal race pets like bells are extremely overpowered. The defender is another top tier pet due to their ability to automatically save you from death once per day. You can recruit a defender by worshipping Jure of healing and making enough offerings with enough faith (I believe you need at least 16 faith).

If you're playing plus, the strongest builds are martial arts and magic. The magic system is kind of a pain so it might be best to avoid it at first. Melee weapons are stronger than ranged weapons, and living weapons are extremely overpowered. When you find a living weapon, leveling it up with magic element damage is your safest bet. If that's not one of the options just cancel the level and try again next month. If you raise a living weapon's level above 10, it will start drinking your blood. You can live with that but I don't recommend it since it interrupts you all the time. Long blades are the best melee weapon type because lightsabers pierce armor.

In omake magic, melee weapons, and ranged weapons are all good, martial arts is bad. In any version of the game, one of the best ways to improve your equipment is with scrolls of change material. Blessing them before reading gives better results, and scrolls of superior material are even better. If you can get a suit of armor made of something like diamond or adamantium you'll be invincible against physical damage for a good while.

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>>21049530
Yeah the benefits of other elements don't match up to the reliability and power you get from magic or the sheer damage of lightning with element scar and wet status. The damage is proportionate to the physical damage you deal so it never goes out of date and you can't have too much of it. Rather than put levels into absolute pierce chance, I'd go for a living lightsaber and its innate 100% pierce. Assuming we're talking about E+, any long blade can be converted into a lightsaber with a pot for fusion's equip update recipe.

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>>21049725
>(I believe you need at least 16 faith)
1525 Favor. Favor is limited by Faith*100 + 25, so whatever makes you reach 15 Faith.

Equipment that "makes you Pious" like the Unkown Shell can boost that a bit. With that necklace you'd only need 3 Faith, but it's "somewhat rare" from common hermit crabs. 15 Faith isn't hard to reach by itself though, assuming you're aligned to some deity and do sleep.

>Blessing them before reading gives better results
At some point in E+, it was changes so material scrolls always rotate through a given list for their type. Blessed scrolls only allow access to the last 2 types on that list.

Change material:
Unblessed: zylon -> obsidian -> chrome -> metal -> steel -> chain -> silver -> platinum -> gold -> perl -> griffon scale -> zylon
Blessed: zylon -> obsidian -> chrome -> metal -> steel -> chain -> silver -> platinum -> gold -> perl -> griffon scale -> dragon scale -> adamantium -> zylon
Cursed: Same as unblessed.

Inferior material:
paper -> cloth -> silk -> mica -> raw -> leather -> glass -> scale -> coral -> bronze -> iron -> bone -> paper

Superior material:
Unblessed: dawn cloth -> spirit cloth -> dragon scale -> crystal -> titanium -> mithril -> adamantium -> emerald -> diamond -> dawn cloth
Blessed: dawn cloth -> spirit cloth -> dragon scale -> crystal -> titanium -> mithril -> adamantium -> emerald -> diamond -> rubynus -> ether -> dawn cloth
Cursed: Same as unblessed.

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>>21049750
>At some point in E+, it was changes[sic] so material scrolls always rotate through a given list for their type. Blessed scrolls only allow access to the last 2 types on that list.
I really, really like changes like this and the monthly living weapon levellup one. They make me want to savescum less, make the results predictable, and absolutely require a fair amount of resources or to be gathered for use. It's balanced progression rather than sheer RNG.
I'd probably actually bother with mutant if something like that was an option. Maybe. But for that in particular it's genuinely supposed to be RNG and I'd rather not kill the fun of surprise for people who would like that.

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There we go. Only excuse I had to stay in Act1 taken care of.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the most optimal and reliable way to restore MP?
Scrolls of mana aren't incredibly common, same with rods while only seem to have 2 uses at most, MP absorbing equipment seems rare as heck and might not even heal much.

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>>21049776
>I'd probably actually bother with mutant if something like that was an option.
I've been considering the idea of mutant bonus limbs not counting against the usual limit for Gavela, so there'd be no pressure to beat Zeome at a low level. Also specifically making the check level-based, so if you reset your random slots with Icolle you could get the exact slots you wanted as if you'd savescummed.

>>21050097
I'm pretty sure rods of mana are the best. Use Fill Charge to bump them up to 4 uses.

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>>21049065
Any style of combat will take you all the way through the game with enough time and effort. Don't ever worry too much over that.

Melee is the most powerful by far. Crazy multihit and lightsaber 100% pierce is great, especially with multiple living weapons.
Ranged is a choice of convenience alone. Since the next target is automatically selected all you have to do to clear mob piles below a certain level is just hold [f]. It has the range to deal with blinking faggots. And does not require managing stocks. Special ammunition can help output more power, same with the new turret mode thing in E+, but they both require some management.
Special ammunition and weapon attributes can help get around physical resistances. for both of melee and ranged.
Magic requires managing MP, spell stocks, rod charges, and/or scrolls. It's easily the best at AoE.
You're most definitely going to use at least some magic regardless of what style you use.

If you decide you don't like a style, it isn't too much work to switch off to another, or even multiclass.
Eventually you can even find business cards to change Class Feats.
Platinum gets faster to gain as you progress, so early levels are faster to train up due to being able to keep higher potentials more often. At least in E+. Which means it's easier to use a current file for a new style rather than starting over entirely. Unless you have some low level gameplay fetishism going on, which is totally cool too.
If you do decide to start anew, for any reason whatsoever, you can create a gene to pass on items to skip some grind/RNG there. So even in that case, it's still possibly worthwhile to keep rare equipment for other styles.

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>>21049065
It may be worth getting Yacatect of wealth as your god early on, she gives you a goose that shits platinum coins sometimes when you feed it as well as a reusable gem that gives platinum every month. Once you get a few levels in charisma buy some slaves from the trader in Derphy as other anons have said, then spend some time in the puppy cave training yourself and grabbing everything to sell. Make sure to spend your first platinum on getting every skill you can, travelling is good for levelling lower level skills passively in the beginning and you can't do much without weight lifting for carry weight. Also sandbagged enemies give xp again so if its December get to noyel and train to your hearts content.

[Anonymous No.]

I made an Okami based PCC sprite a while ago, does anyone like it enough that they'd want me to upload the parts? It includes a body, eyes, etc, and hair.

[Anonymous No.]

I downloaded E+ 1.88R and this thing happened to my status bar, when I played 1.77 before everything was fine, how do I fix it, I am autistic enough that things like this putting me off.

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>>21050722
You'd have to fly to Japan and smack enough sense into Ano's head so he realizes no one wants his pissing fetish in Elona+.

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>>21050746
>>21050722
Unless you meant the detached square at the end, in which case I thought that's just how it normally looked.

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>>21050754
Yeah I meant detached squeare, from what I can speculate they widened status bar area and status bar background started repeating itself, maybe it even started in previous versions of the game, I dunno because I only played 1.77.

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>>21050754
No, that was caused by Ano increasing the size of the status display (for the Dyspnea status) even though it's already increased for English text. Custom-G fixed it several versions ago.

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>>21050834
>>21050814
Oh well there you go, like every other problem in this game, wait for custom/custom-g to fix.

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>>21050834
>>21050877
Well that sucks.

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>>21051038
So does missing everything else from Custom(-G).
I'm just waiting to update from 1.87 for now.

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>>21051051
Where does Bloodyshade live, I'll go make him update custom.

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>>21051051
Will my save from E+ work in custom-g once it updates to 1.88?

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>>21051143
Yeah it should.

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>>21051147
Because I installed custom 1.87 for E+ 1.88 yesterday and saves didn't work but new game started no problem

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>>21051159
>I installed custom 1.87 for E+ 1.88
wtf is this supposed to even mean

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>>21051166
I was just messing around trying to install previous version of custom for latest E+.

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>>21051176
If your old version of custom touches on something that was changed in 1.88, it's probably going to crash and potentially ruin your save.

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>>21050401
That looks great! I'd love to have it!

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>>21051327
https://mega.nz/#!hpQFkYLI!4f679aF3Qt8aTTx_fmIJ1y87Bz7-anvHhT4OW99UmIA
It uses the old bigger PCC style, so it might be incompatible with some stuff such as other hairstyles, clothes, armor and etc, depending on what mods you've downloaded.

[Anonymous No.]

Whatever happened to Kai? Is he still playing even now?

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>>21051501
Not sure, his last upload to his youtube channel was almost a year ago. I wonder how he'd feel about AP being used to get 10 life points after all that time grinding music tickets?

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>>21051550
It caps at 300, he'd still need to get the last 800 the hard way.

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>>21051576
I did not know that, just hit over 300 too. I guess i'll just have more skill points and grinding for tickets now. Is grinding to high level charisma for fascination dance valid or is there a cap to how it affects the number of tickets in party time quests?

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>>21051694
I'm pretty sure the only thing that affects the number of tickets you get is the number of people you please. Someone (Kai?) worked out that the number of tickets you get is related to the amount of performance points you get exceeding the target amount, or something like that.
Of course, these days you can also get a lot of tickets from Leold just by killing random monsters.

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>>21051736
Was Kai's trick of summoning spirits at performance quest to farm tickets still a thing?

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Can someone explain whats different about my constitution compared to the rest of my stats? Also whats the meta on late game small medal farming for Hermes potions

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>>21052223
Maybe that means your CON isn't boosted by any of your equipment, and the value next to each stat (e.g. +41 for STR) is how much your equipment is adding?

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>>21052243
You're right, the equipment has some bonuses and I remember drinking two bottles of high soma from a quest, thanks.

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Should a pure mage character get barrier feat?

prioritize hero cheese or the MP increasing item? (forgot name right now,magic fruit?)

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>>21053699
Barrier on a mage just means casting from HP even sooner, plus it's more efficient MP->HP to just use healing spells. But if you have the MP to spare, sure. You can always get a refund.

As for MP/HP fruits, go with whatever you need. If you don't run out of magic, you don't need more MP, if you never die, you can wait on more HP. If you're indecisive, grab HP.

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>>21052223
>Also whats the meta on late game small medal farming for Hermes potions
Get a ton of little sisters and exchange them for a ton of statues of yacatect then make yourself ultra slow so you can use the statues repeatedly.

>>21053699
Yeah take barrier. Eventually you'll have more MP than you'd ever need for casting and the barrier deactivates once you fall below 1/3 MP. And you shouldn't bother with hero cheese since you can raise life with AP. If you still want more life after you've got 300, then you can start eating hero cheese.

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Any idea what is the max level for justice living weapons? Is it still 15 or can it go higher?

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>>21054437
It *should* be higher, but if it works off of the base fundamental mechanics as far as living weapon selections go, then later on the options itself will have falloff.

While a normal living weapon has the living cap, option falloff doesn't become a thing until you hit around level 35+ iirc (you need to use elosnack to manually level up after 15, and one by one the level up options will just disappear)

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I just did the stone craft pot of fusion recipe and made something called a zizou. When I searched it all I could find were various minor celebrities whose nicknames are zizou and a couple of bar/restaurants. So what the h*ck is a zizou?

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>>21055046
It's a 地蔵. Yes, normally it would be transliterated to jizou instead of zizou, but in Japanese (especially when typing), ji and zi are interchangeable.

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>>21055067
So it's a buddhist icon? Seems pretty out of place.

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>>21055142
Not really? Shrine gates were already a thing since a while back, and jizou are similar to the komainu as far as spiritual icons go.

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>>21055164
I see what you're saying, but I disagree. Shrine gates as an architectural element appear in lots of anime and japanese-inspired settings without being properly connected to Shinto, like cathedrals without being properly connected to christianity. And komainu (are they even in elona?) similarly are much like gargoyles, in that their real world existence is largely connected to religious structures, but they translate seamlessly to fantasy worlds without that religion. But this is an icon of a real world religious figure with a specific history (or mythology) within a specific religion. Like, if I went dungeon diving and found a "figurine of a saint" I wouldn't think anything of it, but if I found a "figurine of st. francis" I would find it out of place, because neither the person or religion exists in this world. Same issue with jizou. It doesn't even have to be a religious thing, I would feel the same way if it were a statuette of michael jackson.

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>>21055219
To the Japanese, the jizou isn't any different from a statue of an angel might be to a devout Christian. It's just that the Buddhist pantheon is chalk full of names that are too complex for people to remember, and it doesn't show up in fiction often enough for people to distinguish on an individual by individual manner. Japanese Buddhism for instance, is slightly different from Chinese Buddhism, which has its differences from Indian adopted Buddhism. In the former case which is probably the most applicable, there are six different tiers to Buddhas, which is equivalent to some extent to the different tiers of angels (Principality, Dominion, Seraphs, and so on).

Jizou are less connected to Buddhism than the Torii (Shrine gate) is to Shinto, because it isn't so much a religion as it is part of a ritual.

[Anonymous No.]

There's crosses in the furniture too, yknow.

[Anonymous No.]

Is herbed-in herbs still the best type of food for attribute growth, or is picnic basket better?

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>>21056240
Picnic baskets just increase potential. The two work well together but don't do the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Bloodyshade uploaded the E+C 1.88R.1, so I can finally update when I go home today.

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>>21058375
>so I can finally update when I go home today
Do you mean that in the sense of "I can finally download the update to the version I play" or "I can finally upload the E+CG update because I am the human for whom that would be an appropriate action"? Please be the second one.

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>>21058630
Not that anon, but the new Custom-G will in fact be out shortly. Had to puzzle out why the new talky special actions weren't available in Custom; turns out BloodyShade (presumably very tired after giving every single temporary variable a proper name) accidentally forgot to change "MAX_SKILL = SKILL_SPACT_VENOTRATE + 1" to "MAX_SKILL = SKILL_SPACT_MYSTERIOUS_SONG + 1".

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>>21058652
>the new Custom-G will in fact be out shortly
Cool, good to know. Would that make you the aforementioned "human for whom that is an appropriate action?" If so, thanks for what you do.

[Anonymous No.]

Alright, Elona+ Custom-G 1.88R.1.1 is available.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1N_dUdO3ebYUHIROl8J0_FnEZQBqV2t0o
https://mega.nz/#!bEBTnabZ!z8J_7-N4beVXKTtsN-cB-pSqsGEtJJjEBkR7UHJEUHc

As always, be sure to back up your save folder before updating.

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>>21058737
Thanks Sableye. Will this version work with E+C 1.88R.2 version?

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>>21059086
Probably, but it looks like 1.88R.2 changed one or two other things as well, so I'll go over it in a minute and release a proper 1.88R.2.1 just to be on the safe side. (And so people don't get confused about version numbers.)

[Anonymous No.]

I modified custom G and cranked the mob spawns up and it's pretty fun and chaotic. Does anyone want the exe?

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>>21059183
Can I have that spriteset?

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>>21059183
Sure:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ezvvppda4bbuwaq/character.bmp/file

It's a sprite sheet from a couple years back that I've been modifying every once in a while. And here's the increased spawns exe for anyone interested. Only works in dungeons:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/mn150bk34bi0o4j/ElonaCGSpawns.exe/file

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>>21059229
>>21059246

Whoops, meant to link to your post.

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>>21059251
Thanks my dude.
Also another question, for you or anyone else, does the elona+ custom 1.88 work with the elona+ 1.88R since they share the same numbers, or does that 'R' fuck with things?

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>>21059264
Not sure, I'm using a pre-packed version of custom G that someone posted a couple days ago. Sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

what difficulty do you guys play on?

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>>21059294
There are difficulties?

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>>21059142
Alright, done.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1TTMY2AIIlZbPKhV9j8Ic07i00Bbtk9h2
https://mega.nz/#!uAQgkazZ!iIiz8UN__mbHeeHodEWeZ_aq4LNMHDKgHnuYlXS78_0

BloodyShade ended up fixing a couple of things that I'd overlooked, so I'd say it's worth an update. (That is, you'll need to properly install 1.88R.2.1 on top of 1.88R.2 in order to fix the <Ion Chakram>'s name; no shortcuts.)

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>>21059379
hard loss essential etc

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So how does acquiring magic go? I get the spellbooks, read the spellbooks, and then (assuming something hasn't gone terribly wrong) I now have stocks of that spell to cast whenever, and can only replenish that stock by reading more spellbooks of the same kind?

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>>21059675
Correct. You can also get random stocks from dreams and scrolls of wonder.
If you want specific spellbooks reliably, the Mage's Guild in Lumiest has a special vendor that lets you select specific spells, which it will then stock books for in future restocks.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a little concerned

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>>21059745
I apparently clicked the wrong image

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>>21059294
Loss and I obey loss conduct in oomsest. It feels too much like a roguelike to play any other way.

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>>21059294
Essential. The progression is far too slow and grindy to tolerate permadeath of any sort. It feels too good to hyper optimise equipment and items for the long term to restart with any frequency, and avoiding heavy risks the entire time is no fun at all.

I considered hacking in 20x xp rates and less rare drop rates for things for a MoreLikeRogue mode to offset that.
But you know what? The grind is too damn fun as is.
It seems incredibly well paced in E+, where I'm constantly upgrading things all the way, without ever hitting a tedium wall that makes me want to quit at all.

[Anonymous No.]

So power gauges are now displayed greyed out for creatures that have no gauge attack? Interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21059264
Just tried it and it works. Someone on the wiki said the link was down then was reuploaded due to a bugfix, the R may refer to that.

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[Anonymous No.]

I think my pets might be a bit underleveled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21060809
That's pretty normal for travelling. Eventually you just stop noticing how many skills level because they take up pages when the experience is tallied.

[Anonymous No.]

do you get penalties if the game crashes?

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>>21060898
On loss, sure.

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>>21059675
Just like stats and skills, each individual spell has levels and potential.
Their potential only increases if you sleep WITH SOME SPELLSTOCK LEFT, so don't go blowing a spell down to 0.

[Anonymous No.]

If I'm offering vegetables to kumiromi, does the quality of cooking make a difference? Should I offer raw veggies?

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to move the game log to another window? I feel like I'm constantly missing important messages. The viewable area is so small, and I can't find a way to scroll the log even when it's expanded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21062118
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Elona_Extender

[Anonymous No.]

I used wizard mode to get a complete list of weapon base stats (adamantium randarts after using a craft repair kit), including the new weapon types.
https://pastebin.com/MfPeSD6p

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>>21062193
I can't tell from that wiki page that it does what I'm asking for, so I'll take your word for it. Can you link me a working download? The link on the wiki is 404. Also, is it version specific, and does it work with +CG? I have no japanese, and can't find any information in english.

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>>21060898
Yeah, you lose all your progress since the last save.

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>>21059900
You can get away with a pretty good amount of risk with the right preparations. Bring a defender. Learn the guts or barrier feats. Between a defender and guts/barrier, absolutely nothing can kill you in less than three hits, plenty enough warning to know when to run away. Save your party's best defensive equipment for yourself. Always have a good supply of escape and recovery items.

>>21061939
Any god's favored item is worth 25 favor (125 for claiming an altar). The quality, buc status, etc. are all irrelevant.

>>21062296
Nice job. I wonder if the item stats would be the same in oomsest? In plus it's easy enough to get lightsabres that there's not much point in caring about anything else.

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>>21062654
>In plus it's easy enough to get lightsabres that there's not much point in caring about anything else.
If you dedicate a few items to increasing absolute pierce rate via artifact fusion, you can hit 100%. Lightsabres are worthless at that point, especially since absolute pierce isn't reduced by armor skill like regular pierce%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21062470
If you google Elona Extender there's a reddit thread the creator made and that looks like it's the last version he's released. If you're running a seperate executable from the base version though like E+C/E+Cg I'm not sure how to properly get it to work with those and you're going to need somebody who isn't retarded to tell you how to do that if at all possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21062829
I used extender with plus custom a while back and it worked fine with no issues. I don't see how G would screw anything up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21062829
>>21062873
Thanks for the help. We'll see how it goes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21062118
That sounds feasible and easy with ITH and some clipboard reader(or translator). Just have to find where the log exists in memory.
Not that I know how to find that specifically, only how it works. Think it requires cheat engine or similar and searching for info you know is there. But then turning that into an H-code is where I'd be lost.

Regardless, that definitely sounds incredibly desirable. I do want it now, a lot. The log being very limited is a great annoyance at times.
And the log is one of the things that has fucked kerning when using a variable width font. So it would be great to offload that for me personally.

Hell, I could probably whip up an AHK script to write a new window with a custom style to make it seemless, more readable, always ontop, and expand whenever / is pressed, ONLY while (elonaplus or ElonaC or ElonaCG) are active and hidden otherwise. Wouldn't be THAT much work at all. With ITH or something else already copying the text at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21062829
>use my preferred search engine to search "elona extender reddit"
>there are 4 results related to elona, none of them what I want
>the rest seems entirely random
>at least now I know how to find information on the cryopreservation of bull semen the next time that comes up in conversation
>google the same search term and the correct page is the top result
Goddammit stop making me use google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21063758
You could use one of the anonymous google proxies like startpage or whatever if you really want to.
Sadly, gathering info on what people find relevant in searches does lead to better results. There's really no way around that. And Google is generally the best at it. For anything they don't censor like pirating stuff anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

What is an Inherit Base character? That's a term I see somewhat often when searching for information, especially on /jp/ archives.
Is it something just designed for genes and holding/passing on items that would be useful for the early grind?
Is there any benefit to doing that rather than just passing on each character progressively? Does it really matter much?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21064011
Yeah, it's just a character you build up to create new game plus files. It's useful for things you wouldn't normally do, such as farming little sister corpses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21063995
>like startpage
That's the one I was using. It's the one I always use, until it fails and I have to go to real google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21063542
>fucked kerning when using a variable width font
So far the chat log, god switching prompt, and help menu are the only things that really suffer from that.
I do think it's worth it for improved readability everywhere else. Particularly with equipment, item, character, etc screens, as well as character dialogue windows.
But the chatlog is something you view very often yeah, that's a pretty hard turnoff. All the others are fairly uncommon to use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21062792
I suppose the question is whether all of those extra enchantments are worth the effort needed to obtain them and the opportunity cost of using a different enchantment. For most of the game a lightsabre's 100% pierce is a plenty good enough, but eventually enemy armor skills will reduce it to 50%. The average extra 45 pre-multiplier damage you'd get from one of those newfangled star hammer over a lightsabre isn't huge, but it isn't nothing either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21063542
You should really make this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21064509
Maybe I'll look into finding an H-code soon. That's the roadblock, really.
Creating and managing AHK generated windows and appending the clipboard to a value is really easy.

Apparently AHK can also read memory straight from other programs. Like damn. If that's consistent in memory location I guess it wouldn't even need clipboard or ITH. Assuming some security feature doesn't get in the way of that.
Oh but then I'm not sure how to make it wait for changes and update immediately, unlike just waiting for clipboard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21062193
https://www.larles.com/elona-extender-is-dead/
What does this mean? It's suspended because of "gold falling" or "gold coming out" or something is as far as I can make out. But I don't understand that.
Is it some slang, term, or is it causing an affect on in game gold? Like what.

[Anonymous No.]

When completing Act1 and timeskipping 3 years, does it level allies at all?
If so, where is the best place to leave them while doing so? My party, my home, the dojo, or what?
I've never actually passed act1 with more than a single ally, the little girl "waiting in town", which didn't gain any levels of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21064868
They don't gain anything except 3 years of age. They may or may not get 3 years of training at the dojo, they won't gain anything anywhere else. In omake you won't get 3 years of materials out of them either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21064936
Coolio, dojo and ranch for relevant things.
Glad I'm playing plus for that. Getting tons of materials is really cool to see. Though it is really understandable to not have that for balance purposes.

And oh dear, I forgot about age entirely.
I think I want some pets to be super duper young if possible. What's the easiest way to do that? Soups of wonderland stuff, from dungeons and maybe shops?
There's also wishing for youth of course but that's quite a waste.

Does animal milk from ranches affect height like normal milk? Definitely going to make some younger sisters drink their own milk regardless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21064985

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>>21065095
Deleted by accident.

Cursed and blessed rods of slow will change their age. Later on the abyss princess sells food that'll go as low as 6 or as high as hundreds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21064985
>Does animal milk from ranches affect height like normal milk?
As far as I can tell the cursed/blessed status of milk is the only thing that will affect height, whether it comes from a ranch or anywhere else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21064985
To be clear, I was referring to the omake-exclusive ability to leave pets working various jobs which provide materials every day. Plus pets won't gain any materials over the three years either.

Get a big stack of potions of slow and mix them with a single blessed potion of water. Anything that drinks one will lose a few years.

Any blessed milk will increase height and any cursed milk will decrease it.

[Anonymous No.]

Just a general question for everyone, how many people edit the Sprite sheets vs keeping a huge user folder?
Does anyone actually just use vanilla graphics?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21065106
>>21065828
>>21066210
Sweet. That's a plan.
>>21066210
I thought you were referring to materials gained from the ranch, like milk, eggs, and whatever they'd drop on death. Rather than materials in the materials list or anything else.
Jobs sounds like an interesting system to some degree, much like custom gods and whatnot. But not nearly as pleasant as story/qol of plus so maybe some other time.

Is there any way to get over the limit of 15 pets at a time? Or more importantly, make ranches, shops, and house kept pets not count towards that limit? 15 doesn't really seem like much for everything one can do. And I was really hoping it was just a total limit for combat pets only.
Discarded ranch and dojo are cool, but makes them inactive of course.

[Anonymous No.]

Any one got the all.zip from Elona差し替え俺まとめ?

[Anonymous No.]

My backup of my many-armed mutey went corrupt and I'm too lazy to go through the hassle of making a new one. Someone pick my race for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21067174
snail

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>>21067211
Snail is pointless even as a joke since its downsides entirely vanish in act 2 via AP abuse

[Anonymous No.]

>>21067217
I'm actually planning to go with snail for my next character. 10 hands from Gavela, no inheriting or savescumming necessary. Use adamantium spears and you won't even miss having armor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21067246
mmm good point

[Anonymous No.]

>>21067246
How did you get 10 hands? What's the benefit of having that many hands? I thought the hit chance goes down dramatically to the point where having more than 4 hands was meaningless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21067246
If you just want as many hands as you can, mutant is still better. Just wait till you have all the parts, then reset back to nothing with the scientist in port kapul. Then you'll have a blank slate to work with. Snails have an extra back slot that mutants won't have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21067288
Wait, nevermind. I forgot that mutants have a chest slot. Still,l if you want the wing ether disease a chest slot is better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21067288
Mutants are better because if you use inheretance to bring an OP pet and play your cards right, you can max limbs via Gavela at level 1. Then you can +12 or whatever it is limbs via mutant leveling. This is what my char which went corrupt did. It is a lot of effort.

>>21067264
He literally said how in the post you quoted. Gavela. He adds to a set number of limbs, he doesn't care what those are, just that he doesn't give you any more than a certain number. Snails/mutants have less limbs, so they can have more added.
As for accuracy? Time stop. You can slap multipel time stop weapons on to proc it often, you can use time stop ammo to guarantee it, etc. You can't miss during timestop. Combine this with continuous attacks and I hit >300 times per turn with my mutey not counting procs of shit like elemental damage. This rapidly, excessively quickly levels up your duel wield skill, so soon you just stop missing.
The downside to this is that >a certain number of limbs you lose 5% base speed, up to 55% I think it was? But this, too, can be negated. Via cores. The speed boost one and the all stat boosting one both negate all speed maluses from any source as a side-effect. Getting into it once can be kind of annoying, but not usually a problem, since its fairly trivial to get suberb or superb++ in all resists with this many arms and ap now gives life so you can be basically unkillable running around spamming an essentially free >300 hit ranged attack while moving faster than a fairy with no real downside.
You can also stack +magic damage items or alternatively go all gloves and go unarmed or 1 2 hand 1 wep for big single hits but since you level your combat skills so much slower with this, proc so much less and gloves are so inferior to weapons as stat/resist/proc sticks, this is the inferior choice

[Anonymous No.]

I wanna roleplay a demon warrior. Should I make a debug race imp like elona+'s demons are, and deal with not having all the slots, or just rename a default race?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21068551
Elona OO supports custom races and classes so maybe do it. Renaming is best option for +.

[Anonymous No.]

Any good PCC's for a lich? the Uploader site prolly has one but it also has no search functionality so it could be burried under thousands of other shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>21068551
Imps are really bad. I'd either reskin something or go with asura instead. Maybe golem would be good if you want a bulky, unstoppable fighter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21068875
>so it could be burried under thousands of other shit
Sounds like FUN. You don't want to miss out on the FUN of searching through thousands of shit and finding gems in it, do you?

You might have more luck searching the rest of the internet for Lich RPGmaker spritesheets. Or something like that.
They share similar formats and designs. It's really easy to align them to PCC spritesheet format, I could do that for you in about 30-60 seconds if you find one you like.

[Anonymous No.]

Today I learned that you can give Mia's cat beer.

[Anonymous No.]

What monsters should I focus in capturing for completing the body of a fire dragon child?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21069447
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:28892

[Anonymous No.]

>>21069468
So it's just random as long as the creature is not a human and has the slot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21069399
Are you interested in a li'l tail tonight?

[Anonymous No.]

Man, this living weapon thing sure as hell is alive.
The wiki says the living weapon cycles per month,
[Fire Cold Lighting Darkness Mind Poison Nether Sound Nerve Chaos Magic (Back to Fire)]
but that definitely isn't whats happening here.

Anyone know if there was a change somewhere to how living weapons work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21069884
taisei = inv(INV_ITEM_DICE2, ci) + inv(INV_ITEM_LEVEL, ci) + gdata(GDATA_MONTH)

[Anonymous No.]

>>21069995
Huh, so I'm guessing that means it also gets reshuffled on every level up and blacksmith enchant? Not sure what those variable names refer to.

Mystery cleared I guess. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21069995
>>21070088
Giving it a +1 at the blacksmith rerolled the choices again.
Guess that solves it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21069995
>>21070088
>>21070106
Well huh, that explains that. I was wondering about it at the start of last thread, where mine were rerolling multiple times per month without explanation.
That's useful to know.

[Anonymous No.]

Lighting is being weird. Both on the left side of any screen (Always) and on bright shiny things (Restarting program fixes it, might come back on restart)

[Anonymous No.]

Usable?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21072587
Ragnarok living weapons in general are more of a novelty item, since Ragnarok's summoning isn't anything particularly reliable and in particular staffs aren't anything particularly special when it comes to physical attacks.

That being said, it's still serviceable just by merit of it being a living weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21072663
Feels like more trouble than its worth though, having to deal with it randomly summoning a bunch of hostiles and turning the weather bad when levelling it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21073036
Hence why they're a novelty item. The threat of Ragnarok falls off rapidly past early game (fireproof negates the environmental risk, and since Ragnarok's level has an odd scaling, there's a good chance that the monsters summoned just end up being fodder.).

The Etherwind technically can be manipulated (which can have uses since some people run with specific mutations), but realistically it's too haphazard to be reliable. Though admittedly for Void leveling a living weapon, there's a good chance that they won't even hit enough times to trip off Ragnarok.

[Anonymous No.]

>Broken water drinking mechanics

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074094

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074259
>a fountain has dried up
rip

[Anonymous No.]

>>21069447
Fairy ranch

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074259
And that's why you chug all the wells empty as soon as reasonably possible, stat losses, mutations, and alien pregnancies be damned.

Better your fat, bloated, mutated level 1 pregnant belly that you can fix reasonably quickly than someone's suicidal dad or girlfriend rolling that ridiculous 7% death chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074378
thats kind of hot

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074378
>Chug wells
>Get wish
>Don't know what to use it for
>Spend hours weighing options

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074427
If you're playing E+, have you got all the shift cores?
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Shift_cores
They're wish only. That makes them a better use of a wish to me than most other non-wish items.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21072587
I wouldn't use it. If it's early game, ragnarok is more dangerous than the staff is worth, and by the time you can handle it you should have enough good items to not have to resort to that. If you do use it, I'd level it in resistances or skill boosts and then equip it as a ranged stat stick.

>>21074427
When in doubt wish for miromis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21074427
7 league boots>aurora ring>omega core if your regen/med can slow down its drain enough to not make it tedious to use>speed core if not>attribute scrolls
the other cores are meh because speed is so much stronger a stat than everything else, giving you more turns to do damage and heal, outclassing the ones that just boost one of these functions while making you more able to adapt to needs

[Anonymous No.]

>>21075289
>>When in doubt wish for miromis.
>Did this on my last, most succesful char
>Ended up just not using them eventually
>Swiftly ran out of traits remotely worth caring about

[Anonymous No.]

I remember this being a lot less readable. But it's fair enough that the incorrect stuff stands out, rather than the other way around.
Good job, translation updating dudes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21077011
>tfw lamieerre talks to me even though ive killed her hundreds of times

[Anonymous No.]

>>21077011
Fixed it for the next Custom-G release. It'll also fix Bysymlha's dialogue, since it turns out that non-ASCii characters like "" won't display for whatever reason.

Speaking of next release, apparently Elona+ 1.89 is going to nerf ranches and food value.
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:30200
The "three years' worth of stuff piles up after you clear a chapter" bit is gone, livestock can't be squeezed for milk until you give them milk five times, and corpses and eggs are apparently worth 1/5 as much as before. (Or whatever "rebalanced to roughly a 5:1 ratio" is supposed to mean.) I don't see a reason to incorporate any of it into Custom-G.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21077410
based. dont get why he keeps nerfing every income source but farming. choices are nice. my furthest char has i think 12 farms and itd be a shame if they suddenly became worth less. i enjoy periodically harvesting them

[Anonymous No.]

>>21077410
>>21077410
...Non-ASCii characters like this musical note:
https://unicode-table.com/en/266A/
Apparently it's no good here either? Today's gonna be one of those days, I guess...

[Anonymous No.]

Friendly reminder that if you give a pet small medals they won't give them back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21077410
Was squeezing livestock for milk ever a major source of income though?
I thought most of it came from enchanted corpses duplicated by high cooking skill, and from cooked eggs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21077410
>and corpses and eggs are apparently worth 1/5 as much as before. (Or whatever "rebalanced to roughly a 5:1 ratio" is supposed to mean.)
He's making it so that instead of the eggs and corpses having a varying ratio with the heaviest having the highest ratio, now everything has a uniform five to one ratio. It'll drop the price for extremely heavy corpses, and raise the price for light corpses.

Combined with the removal of easy deleveling, this isn't actually as large of a nerf as it would be, since light/medium weight breeders that breed quickly would theoretically outscale heavy breeders that breed slowly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21078208
Dude, I dunno what that sounds like in Japanese, but in English things can't just have "a ratio", they have to have "a ratio of X to Y".
Also, Oblivion Palace deleveling wasn't removed in Custom-G.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21078271
>Rebalanced the selling price and weight of corpses and eggs so that the amount they fetch is roughly a 5:1 ratio.
It specifically says that the selling price and weight are at a 5 to 1 ratio.
If Custom G isn't going to bother adding in the changes then it doesn't matter whether it's a nerf or not anyways, it's just a non factor for people that play Custom G.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21077642
Not sure how everyone else does ranches (I've mostly just had lame horse ranches, and I've never sold eggs since I want them for picnic baskets), but I know offhand that +milk is worth a couple thousand or so each, with an extra thousand if you turn it into cheese. And the SP cost of using Squeeze is mostly offset if you use Drain Blood to kill livestock, so I've been doing Rubbing -> Squeeze -> Drain Blood for ages now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21078445
>>Not sure how everyone else does ranches
1 pet runs my shop.
Every otherr pet slot is rabbits in ranches

[Anonymous No.]

>play as snail tourist
>no gene, no pets, final destination
>(not on hardcore; I'm not THAT crazy)
>do first half of tutorial
>immediately travel to truce ground
>luck out and barely manage to dimensional move away from some bandits
>gain lulwy's trick
>missionaccomplished.jpg
>need sleep
>not tired enough to sleep on ground yet
>start traveling back
>ambushed by random wildlife
>too tired to boost speed or teleport
>dead
>lost 4 herb seeds and ~1000 of ~3000 starting gold
Well, I knew what I was getting into when I signed up... At least I was (just barely) able to kill the tutorial putits afterward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21079013
>>play as snail tourist
>>no gene, no pets, final destination
>>(not on hardcore; I'm not THAT crazy)
?
If its not on hardcore anything you said above that has no real meaning, as Snails, like literally every other race, can break the game easily via near 0 risk farming and buying a decent wep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21079040
How does playing on hardcore or not affect "0 risk" strategies that "break the game easily"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21079054
because if you die you lose the savefile

[Anonymous No.]

>>21079054
Because if you aren't on hardcore Snail is just any other race except you grow slower and become > everything except mutant once you abuse Gavela for extra limbs. There is no way to lose. Being worse at things doesn't matter when farming is more profitable and better for growth than nearly anything else in the game and it takes very little skill before you just 1 shot everything on farms.
But if you are on hardcore, death actually matters, so starting shit does. Althoug barely. Since you can still just do safe shit and not be at any real risk of dying

[Anonymous No.]

>>21079054
>How does playing on hardcore or not affect "0 risk" strategies that "break the game easily"?

>>21079216
>you can still just do safe shit and not be at any real risk of dying

[Anonymous No.]

>>21079266
Yes you can quote people good job

[Anonymous No.]

>>21079013
If you're sleepy enough for stamina drain, you should be sleepy enough to sleep on the ground. Try pushing shift+r a few times if it comes up again.

[Anonymous No.]

How does progression work for a magic-focused playthrough? Don't want to end up doing necromancy instead like every other time I've tried wizards

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe I'll give a snail challenge a shot, but I hate the salt weakness. How much damage do the cleaners do each time they throw the salt? Is there any way to counter this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21081436
99% ie, they always 2-shot you no matter your health. the only counter is unique to snail the android rider.

[Anonymous No.]

What limb slots should I be thinking about adding to my dragon child?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21081436
>>21081560
Some fag on >reddit said it is (current health-d10), unless below 10 hp already whereby it instantly kills you.
The result is such that if you actually have any damage reduction effects like worshipping opatos (-10% damage), salt takes a lot of effort to bring you below 10hp for the "2-shot".
You'd need to be below 90 hp and receive a terrible d10 roll to fall below 10 hp and risk dying.

I don't know what other damage reductions work because I haven't actually tried it myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21081807
A third anus. Preferably with negative anal circumference if you can get such a roll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21081898
This is not helpful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21081898
Imagine finding a butt plug living weapon for your third anus with a time stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21082090
"And then time stopped, everything turned white, I was unable to think or react."
Oh dear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21081968
I apologize.
But wouldn't you aim for weapon slots on absolutely everything wherever possible? Living weapons are some great shit, even for mages.
Every other slot really depends on what items you want to throw on it. Which depends on what you've gathered or are willing to gather.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21081861
I think it's actually "current HP - rand(10)". Which is 0~9, so it's a 10% chance of instant death, although the (normally semi-useless) Secret Treasure of Opatos would save you, I think. The instakill bit is something ridiculous like rand(20000) acid damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21081436
doors from the Create Door spell stays on the map permanently until destroyed. wall in their start position with doors and bob's your uncle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21080794
You literally just spam magic dart then think about upgrading to a dif spell but never bother because magic dart remains consistently strong enough to trivialize the game at least until the end of act 2.
I got bored without trying anything beyond that.
You can use buffs or whatever but why bother

[Anonymous No.]

>>21047746
I wait too long for arc 4

[Anonymous No.]

>>21084059
then translate it yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>21084158
Sorry, this is untranslated sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21084158
>then translate it yourself
wait, the next arc of elona is done and just not translated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21084514
I could be wrong, but I know annabanana used to translate elona plus, but after she left, I think they are only doing machine translations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21084615
y did she leaved
is elona dying bros

[Anonymous No.]

The reward for Leold's "defeat monster of this level" mission caps out at 3000 music tickets and one bronze coin, but the level required goes up by five every time the mission is completed. This equates to 12 missions for a magic fruit or a hero cheese with some change. Putting no effort into pressing buttons quickly, using return and escape scrolls and the void this takes 10 minutes per 36k tickets, this is at act 3. Its much faster than any other method, other than using AP to increase life which can only be used to get 300 life anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21085027
while i apprecaiate more methods for magic ticket, making the 'unga me combat' methods so vastly superior to actually doing music is pretty lame

[Anonymous No.]

Is a pet cooking breakfast random? I already married my younger cat sister and she knows the cooking skill, even when I wake up at morning she just doesn't do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21085093
It happens every day, as long as your waifu is nearby and you wake up during the correct timeframe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21085120
And she likes you, and deosn't have a pleasent blanket.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21085045
I wouldn't complain about them buffing the tickets from the party quests to match this, but its still a 80+ hours grind for 1000 life and mana at with this and you don't get platinum for it with Leolds quest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21084514
>wait, the next arc of elona is done
No. Arc 4 (Aimwell) is only just starting, and so far it's just been a lot of foundational work.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm playing Elona for the first time and I've never done an update before. The version I'm playing is +CG 1.87.1.1. Would someone give me detailed instructions on the right way to update to the most recent version (1.88R.2.1 I guess)? I'm seeing a several different versions in this thread and I'm not clear on what all I need in order to get current and the right order of operations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21086062
follow the installation guide custom-g comes with
copy your save folder to the new installation
change the message settings on the title screen to disable the popup again
done

[Anonymous No.]

>>21086062
>>21086092

Yeah, you don't really update, you just install the new version and copy your saves/settings over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21086092
>>21086119
Thanks for the help, but >>21059386 is what's giving me pause. Is it saying to install +CG 1.88.R.2.1 on top of +C 1.88.R.2, or is there a +CG 188.R.2 that I'm not finding?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21086062
Just unzip everything into your existing folder and save over the old files. Making a backup of your save isn't a bad idea and don't forget to re-set the compatibility mode if that causes crashes for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21086194
It's because 2.1 is effectively 2 with some minor changes, so rather than just running a completely seperate folder, you can just paste the files in and let it replace over.

When it's a minor revision this works fine. When it's a major version change this doesn't work as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21086194
>is there a +CG 188.R.2 that I'm not finding?
E+ is always "1.XX", Custom is always "1.XX.Y", and Custom-G is always "1.XX.Y.Z". It's simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21086492
Thank you, this is the explanation I wanted.

[Anonymous No.]

Aw man, mimics looking like stairs with a gauge beneath them totally ruins the feel of coming across them.
I accidentally stepped on it and forgot to screenshot. But it just doesn't feel right.
Toggling off the Unusable gauge display for that mob, or making it never gain gauge at all, would be kind of desirable.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how to mitigate the effective effect ice element has on items on the ground, especially potions? There's an item for fire, so is there one for ice? If not, how do you guys deal with ice destruction?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21088366
>If not, how do you guys deal with ice destruction?
Ice resistance and blankets for items on me.
KILL and loot faster for everything else.

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>>21088366
They don't. When you attack stuff you'll just always have the chance to destroy items.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21088366
Just use lightning instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>21088366
uniques are never destroyed by fire and ice.
everything else that drops is, ultimately, cheap. don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21089200
I'd rather have a speed upper than yet another stardust.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know of a way to get the specific jewel core of nefia you want? I'm sick of the skill cores and need the status ones.

[Anonymous No.]

Can I breed <Gwen> the innocent to get killcount up later on?
That it tracks it in the [j]ournal makes me want to grind it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21089294
The effect you get is a 1d50 die roll. The only way to get the one you want is to keep going and hope for the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21089294
What is jewel core of nefia?

[Anonymous No.]

Does the ether disease "desire for violence" increase magic damage you deal or only physical attack damage? What about the damage you receive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21089638
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Artifact_fusion

[Anonymous No.]

I get this error after the "updating your save" message when transferring to the new version. What do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21059246
Does this increased spawn exe works with any version of custom-G or just 1.88?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21091789
Nevermind, I forgot to set win7 compatibility mode for the new .exe. All good now.

[Anonymous No.]

I've got a rod of wishing. Should I wait for a lucky day to use it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21094250
nah just use it. afaik the only difference a lucky day would make is increasing the chance of godly equipment instead of miracle, and wishing for equipment (aside from perhaps the initial 7lb) is pretty much a waste. well i guess a blank godly aurora ring would be good artifact fusion item if you want to fish for that?

[Anonymous No.]

Why are portraits scaled so badly?
Portrait assets are 48x72 each. But they scale to 80x112 each, which isn't even the same aspect ratio, with nearest neighbor scaling. That makes Roughly half the rows and columns doubled in width.

Is there any way to make them a) not scale at all, b) scale to exactly integer 2x, or c) use linear scaling and blur instead of line double?
I really don't want custom portrait replacements. The original style is fine and neat. It's just rendered terribly.

[Anonymous No.]

Hi guys, I'm coming back from 1.71. I've read through the wiki thread but I'm still wondering what's the general consensus on custom g vs custom?

[Anonymous No.]

Also are servers fixed yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21095921
Whether you use Custom G or Custom depends on how you feel about Plus' approach to the grind mechanics. If you think the systems implemented like Thirst and Grinding changes are ok, then stay with Custom otherwise run G.

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>>21095949
There's also the matter of -G running with machine translations for placeholder sections, rather than leaving messages completely inaccessible without changing to Japanese language in full.
And other various nerfs being undone. Like the nerf to multihit damage or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21095976
does elona extender work with g?

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>>21095982
I could get it to load fine, and color the potential percentages. But nothing else would work at all. Even the external log.
Tried with Custom and Custom-G. But not with straight E+.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>21095921
G is just plainly better. Its unnerfing of dungeon drops means more options to progress. Custom itself constantly nerfs every option that's not farming

[Anonymous No.]

>>21096589
You mean plus itself. I'm pretty sure custom is mostly just translations, with small optional additions like Custom AI.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21096666
Yea that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21092067
Please respond

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>>21097166
>master1200
I don't know personally whether or not it works. Because I don't know whether the hsp files included with custom/g are loaded from the program or just included as source. But you're gay for posting samples, even if the only difference is reencoding to JPG.
Seeing as it's 1.87.1.3 in the image, and >>21060567 said it works with 1.88R, it probably works with any modern version of Custom-G within some threshold. Might be buggy for updating, might not be.

Is there any reason you don't want to update to 1.88(R) though?

>>21059183
What value did you change?
And what font is that? It doesn't look too bad for an aliased font.

[Anonymous No.]

When something says it boosts a skill by [#] or [##] what does that actually mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21097332
I was considering more for future updates past 1.88

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>>21097332
>+immune to ether radiation
thats like everyone but the player character and paula mom

[Anonymous No.]

I don't like that killing nobles drops karma more than killing other NPCs. -10 for nobles, -5 for tourists, and -2 for almost every other one. Just doesn't seem right.
Some nobles simply deserve death. Especially in Dwarf Fortress but that's another matter.

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>>21097370
More #'s means a higher boost. 'If it says #####+ that means it's better than #####, but there's no indication of how much better, it could be worth 6 #'s or it could be worth 20 of them. Omake displays more +'s as enchantments get better, so +++## is better than ++###. The amount boosted by a # is inexact, +10 to a skill and +12 to a skill will both show as ###.

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>>21097697
It's realistic that attacking rich people carries a far more severe legal penalty than attacking poor people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21098060
Yeah I know it's realistic. I just don't like it is all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21097370
>>21098042
The mirror action.
>>21098060
But I killed all the lesser gods and only got -2 karma each time, people would notice their death more, surely?

[Anonymous No.]

I've seen people claim that high sound resistance gives immunity to dim but I can't find this on the wiki, is it true? Are there any other high resistances that give immunities?

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>>21099011
>if ( dmgcon_cond == CONDITION_DIM ) {
>[...]
>res@con = 57 //SKILL_RES_SOUND
>gosub *conCalc

>p@con = rnd(dmgcon_arg3 / 2 + 1) + dmgcon_arg3 / 2
>r@con = sdata(res@con, dmgcon_charid) / 50
>p@con = p@con * 100 / (50 + r@con * 50)
>if ( r@con >= 3 ) {
>if ( p@con < 40 ) {
>f@con = 0

Therefore, if your sound resistance is at least [###](150) and measures up successfully to the spellpower of whatever affects you with Dim, you'll be unaffected.

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>>21099011
>>21099149
Ah, I forgot; the other statuses and corresponding resistances:
>if ( dmgcon_cond == CONDITION_BLIND ) {
>[...]
>res@con = 53 //SKILL_RES_DARKNESS

>if ( dmgcon_cond == CONDITION_CONFUSE ) {
>[...]
>res@con = 54 //SKILL_RES_MIND

>if ( dmgcon_cond == CONDITION_PARALYZE ) {
>[...]
>res@con = 58 //SKILL_RES_NERVE

>if ( dmgcon_cond == CONDITION_POISON ) {
>[...]
>res@con = 55 //SKILL_RES_POISON

>if ( dmgcon_cond == CONDITION_SLEEP ) {
>[...]
>res@con = 58 //SKILL_RES_NERVE

>if ( dmgcon_cond == CONDITION_FEAR ) {
>[...]
>res@con = 54 //SKILL_RES_MIND

[Anonymous No.]

>>21099149
>>21099180
Thanks for this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21099149
>>21099180
Is the only status with no matching resistance just bleed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21098945
No one believes in the lesser Gods.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know if allies will use shift cores, or if there's any way to get them to use one?

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>>21099709
https://elona.fandom.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29/1.70_-_1.79#1.73
>NPCs that have 100% or more gauge, are in combat, have yet to transform, and have a usable shift core in their inventory will now automatically use it to transform. This will not take any turns. If they have multiple shift cores in their inventory, they will use the last available one in the Greek alphabetical order. Transforming like this will not bring up the dialog for customizing appearance after transformation, so be sure to have it set up in advance.
However, last I heard it didn't work with custom AI, and I haven't heard anything about it being made to work with it.

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>>21099813
Kickass, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21099899
Are you going to make a glorious Sentai Squad or bunch of Power Rangers? Take screenshots please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21088185
Totally hidden, guys.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21102282
What was the point of the gauge being added like that, anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21102456
So you have actual feedback when using the new negotion skills that lower gauge

[Anonymous No.]

>>21102897
Gauge? I thought they lowered SP. Did the changelog get that wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21103056
enemies dont even have sp far as im aware

[Anonymous No.]

>>21103056

The new feats have other affects besides lowering sp, they also gain multipliers based on different stats. Ie, peculiar joke does more damage if the target has low gauge.

However, you can see the gauge now so you know if the enemy is going to gauge attack you.

>>21103062
Enemies have SP now.

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>>21103093
>However, you can see the gauge now so you know if the enemy is going to gauge attack you.
Couldn't you before? Every enemy that was capable of gauge attacking still displayed it, I'm almost definitely sure.
The change was to also show the gauge greyed out for enemies that don't.

It makes sense if it's due to new abilities that depend on gauge value. That's nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21103093
If enemies have sp now, then does that mean pets do too? Will someone update the custom ai to work with the new sp system?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21104110
Yes, people complained that vampire drain was nerfed at the time. I don't know about custom, but I think someone mentioned it. Maybe G?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to translate Elona into another language without fucking up english and japanese text? Like to make the third selectable language. HSP doesn't seem too hard to edit since I only need to add some lines. I've seen that hsp file that comes with the G and I just can't figure out where the thing is in this code.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>21104769
wtf is that

[Anonymous No.]

>>21104969
It's a dhole, duh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21046948
Without resorting to memes, explain the appeal of this game in two or three sentences. All I see is Dwarf Fortress adventure mode (meh) but with generic JRPG shit and MIDIs. Is it an instance of something being popular with Japanese nerds so /jp/ has to pretend to like it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21105053
it's a comfy open world waifu game where you can marry, milk and eat little girls, not much to explain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21105053
If you're too retarded to just figure it out on your own and need to be spoonfed you're probably not going to enjoy it that much. I'd highly recommend checking out some of the generals in /vg/ where you can find some more games like Fortnite.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21105053
>Dwarf Fortress adventure mode
I can't imagine how you could see anything like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21105053
Acquire wealth, fuck bitches.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone with experience in changing the graphics/sprites in this game. Is it a pain in the ass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>21106848
If only there were some repository of knowledge about dwarf fortress that could be easily accessed from any device with an internet connection conveniently linked in the OP where people with simple questions about basic game functions could find readily available answers. If only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21106897
Oh. Shit. Wrong thread. Oh well. Still, wiki link's in the OP, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21106848
It's just a .bmp file, Copy paste to you're heart's content. I think there's a way to add the graphics in piecemeal, rather than as a sprite sheet, but never messed with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21106848
No, it's deadly easy, and can be done for all character/monster sprites as a whole in elona/graphics/, or individual pets in elona/user/graphics/. The former being replacement, the latter being single sprite images with specific filenames to select ingame.
You can also change the field graphics and UI. Or practically anything else.
As long as it's all the same resolution and framecount it's easy.
Just make sure they're normal BMPs and placed/named properly.

You can also change the flavor text characters speak.

If you want to add frames, add size to mobs as a whole, deal with specific cases like mobs with recoloring, or anything like that, you might need to dig into the source.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21105624
>wealth
That better not be the starting cave there bud.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21105624
Kai?

[Anonymous No.]

Is the download link for Elona+ 1.87 dead?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>21108041
This is part of why I enjoy the gravity feat at low levels.
Evasive but frail enemies just crumple if you gravity sphere them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21107144
>starting cave
Dungeon
>>21107322
No, sadly not.
>>21107795
https://bloodyshade.no-ip.org:42333/ElonaCustom/Elona+/

[Anonymous No.]

>>21108041
Pick up hypnotism and/or strings assassin asap

[Anonymous No.]

Just come back to Elona from a break and now there's Elona+ Custom-G. Is this just easier version with more translation? This QoL changes feel more like cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21108810
I dunno what part of Custom-G you mean by "this QoL changes", but if you don't like one of the changes you could overwrite that part of gsource.hsp with the code from source.hsp and compile the modified version to revert it.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>21108835
Sorry for crude phrasing. The point of my post was more about finding out what version people prefer nowadays.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21108890
I'm trying this G version too. There aren't that many changes, just read the readme. few unnerfs and cheaper sp for cooking/fishing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21108866
>txt lang(name(cc) + "は頭がぼんやりして装備を変更できない…。", name(cc) + " is confused and can't change their equipment.")
Alright, this'll be fixed in the next Custom-G release. (Except for "you" not being capitalized there; I have no idea where the capitalization code is, or why it only seems to work part of the time.)

[Anonymous No.]

Nifty.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any way to highlight miracle/godly items on the field in E+(CG)? Like giving them a yellow/red border around the square or something.
What about specific attributes, like Living, Drains, or Invokes?

Stepping over items and reading the chatbox isn't too hard. But if there's a better method that would be preferable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21110620
Wouldn't really work smoothly with stacks of items. To implement something like that properly, there'd need to be an order established on what attributes have display priority. On the other hand, Living is already pretty easy to discern since they don't need to be identified to check (not confirm, since Living and Eternal Force both fall under the same category of not needing identification). Adding in other attributes, even if you restrict it to just 99s would probably start to create a mess of colors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>21108810
>>21108890
Most of the non-translation changes from C-G are under the Tweaks menu and are off by default.
It's up to you if you want to use them.