/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

I finally realized what bothers me most about Sakura. It is the constant and irritating way the story tries to make her look very innocent and adorable. Comparing to Kohaku, who was genuinely fucked-up girl, Sakura is always shown as a victim and everyone disregards the fact that she should really be institutionalized and locked away from the society.

I say this because I thought Dark Sakura was much more superior to her normal form. She was an assertive and interesting character who no longer was that boring "girl from next door". Unfortunately, this was lamed by her "flash-backs" as she conversed with other characters.

And what else bothered me was her transformation. Whereas Kohaku remained as a screwed-up lady, Sakura put a pretty smile and continued the happy life with her Senpai. There is no trauma, no indication of her past experiences. The ending in HF was too bitter-sweet. I hated it.

[Anonymous No.]

>The ending in HF was too bitter-sweet.
I think you mean too much of a fariy tale ending.

[Anonymous No.]

Naff with TM

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095406
One: Kohaku got her good ending too.
Two: Kotomine put it best. She didn't go insane, nor was she just forced by the shadow. She suffered, she got power because of it, now she uses it to to lash at them.

If you think she was 'portrayed' as innocent, you are a retard.
The point is, that despite her sins, Shirou wants her to be happy and give her the chance she never had before, and that's the end of it.

[Anonymous No.]

The end where Shirou never came back from the final battle was best. Nothing worked out perfectly, but people were able to try to live on with their life and Sakura became a crazy old cat lady. That said it lacked the final conflict with Kotomine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095495
>The end where Shirou never came back from the final battle was best.

I believe you mean Mind of Steel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095495
Pretty sure on a 2nd playthrough you can get the final conflict with Kotomine AND get Normal End.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095495

>That said it lacked the final conflict with Kotomine.

No it didn't.

Shirou uses Dark Excalibur/gets saved by Ilya only AFTER the fight with Kotomine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095514
Check the flowchart. You can get an early Normal End.

[insanezero !VUNofZD8jM No.]

>>2095495
You could get the Normal End with the Kotomine fight if you already got the True End. Just try for the True End again, and there will be one more choice at the end.

Do it.

[Anonymous No.]

Sakura had less justification for her actions than Caster did.

HF sucked because Shirou was only Shirou in name. Sakura sucked because she was a generic emo slut.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095537
We call emo people who usually are pretentious, attention whores that overblow their problems, not ones raped and tortured for years and linked to ALL that is evil in the world, but we call Archer emo too, so no real surprise.

These kind of comments always make me laugh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095553
>pretentious, attention whores that overblow their problems
Sounds like Sakura to me.

>not ones raped and tortured for years
You can't rape (or torture) the willing. The story pointed out that she never even so much as tried to resist.

>linked to ALL that is evil in the world
This happened BECAUSE SHE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. Avenger and the Grail used her body because she WANTED to be evil. She wanted to gain power so she could punish people for not helping her or some shit DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHE NEVER ASKED FOR HELP UNTIL SHE HAD ALREADY EMBRACED EVIL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095553
lrn2english

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095585

>You can't rape (or torture) the willing. The story pointed out that she never even so much as tried to resist.

Surrendering your body = willing?

Wow, a lot of rape victims must really not have been raped. I guess going to your happy place until it's over means it really did never happen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095585
...OK. She just wanted to be worm-raped.
You really have a weird way to interpret situations.
>>2095593
...What's wrong, exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095585
>You can't rape (or torture) the willing. The story pointed out that she never even so much as tried to resist.
Non-resisting =/= willing. Are you going to resist if somebody has a gun pointed to your head? Because that's basically the case here. Zouken had complete control over her life; even if she had resisted it wouldn't have done any good. You want proof of her unwillingness, try looking at the ten years of hoping and praying that her sister will come to save her.

>This happened BECAUSE SHE ALLOWED IT TO HAPPEN. Avenger and the Grail used her body because she WANTED to be evil. She wanted to gain power so she could punish people for not helping her or some shit DESPITE THE FACT THAT SHE NEVER ASKED FOR HELP UNTIL SHE HAD ALREADY EMBRACED EVIL.

I seriously doubt she wanted to have a fragment of the Grail embedded in her as a Crest Worm. She didn't want to punish people until the evil took over her mind; before that, she just wanted to be rescued (which, by the way, nobody did).

[Anonymous No.]

sakura is a victim of circumstance
nobody is wrong, nobody is right

/thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095595
>Wow, a lot of rape victims must really not have been raped. I guess going to your happy place until it's over means it really did never happen.
If you

1) Never do anything about it.
2) Never tell anyone about it.
3) Tell anyone who finds out about it to leave it alone.

then yes, you deserve whatever you get.

Kohaku was a good character because she got tired of it and decided to destroy the Tohno family herself. Sakura was a bad character because she just sat around taking it and then said "WHY WON'T ANYONE SAVE ME?! THE ENTIRE WORLD HATES ME AND NEEDS TO BE DESTROYED!!!"

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095617
>nobody is wrong
NO

EVERYONE BUT ME IS WRONG

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095609
>wanted to be rescued
but told everyone who would have rescued her to not get involved.

Stupid bitch. She deserved to die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095618
Well, she DID decide to do something about it, in about the same timespan it took Kohaku.

Kohaku wished for someone to save her too (Ribbon yadda yadda).

You just DISLIKE the character and paint everything in a negative light, while doing the opposite for the ones you like, entering the classic grounds of internet debate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095618

>you deserve whatever you get.

If my entire life was Unlimited Blade Works you would have a lot of swords in your body.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095631
Deciding to fix your problems != deciding to destroy the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095636

It's what we internet gamers call "ragequitting".

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095633
But it isn't, so the most you can do is argue with him on the internet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095633
Wrong. Fate, Unlimited Blade Works, and Mind of Steel Shirou would agree that she should be killed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095644

Well, UBW Shirou would actually try to save her.

UBW Shirou wants to have/eat his cake.

He could maybe try to project Rule Breaker, if even Fate Shirou could project something like Caliburn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095658
He'd obviously try to save her. He'd try to save anyone.

But not at the cost of innocent lives. He wouldn't sit around and let people get killed just to save the villain. He would kill her to save everyone else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095636
She didn't aim to destroy the whole world (prolly believed she could control Manjew).
Plus, in the end she understood she was wrong.

I like how people though make 10 years of suffering beyond her choice seem so light.
The internet has some TOUGH people who surely have faced much worse and can understand the specific plight is laughable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095626
She told SHIROU not to get involved, because she didn't know he could do anything (and at the time, he really couldn't). Rin, on the other hand, she barely talked to, and considering how against talking about her problems she is, I'd be amazed if she even COULD tell Rin what was going on, given the chance. So she just thought Rin knew what the Matou family did (she was wrong, but she didn't know that), so when Rin failed to come save her for ten years, it stands to reason that there would be a bit of bottled up resentment to let loose once All Evils of the World take over your mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095663
Yes, he'd definitely want to kill a person that circumstances have forced a monster in her and is the sister of Rin.
He'd DEFINITELY not try to choose a method to deal with this that does not involve killing Sakura immediately.
SURE,man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095671
>She didn't aim to destroy the whole world
Are you fucking dense? She even wanted to kill Shirou.

>Plus, in the end she understood she was wrong.
Really, now? She killed hundreds, if not thousands, of people... and then didn't show even the slightest sign of remorse... and you think she understood? You're a fucking idiot.

Also, what kind of fucked up logic do you have to think that there's ever any way to justify killing people who couldn't possibly have been involved?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095680
...Are you actually... ...what the fuck? Reported for trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

Sakura never had a chance to learn morals, bro.

Got tossed to the worms at age 7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095675
>take over
You didn't even read HF, did you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095700
>learn morals
Christfag detected.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095702
Retard detected

[Anonymous No.]

ITT:

>I don't like a character, so she deserves to die no matter what!

>I like a character, so she deserves to live no matter what!

Never change, /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095705
>Retard
Ohh, nice high school insult, but 4chan is 18+.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095706
I'm the guy arguing that Sakura should have died.

I'd just like to say that Kotomine Kirei is one of my favorite characters of F/sn but I still think he deserved to die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095706

I view characters as literary constructions. I neither like nor dislike them as people, only their implementation interests me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095723
I'm the guy arguing that Sakura didn't have much choice in the matter, and that her personality kept her from acting until it was too late (and the Grail fucked with her head, maybe 'took over' was a bit too strong a term).

Nero is my favorite T-M character ever, and even I can safely say it's good that he died (though I wish it'd been a bit later).

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095716
And Christfag is hip and cool, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095738
I don't think you understand the difference between an insult and an observation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095738
Putting 'fag' on the end of something isn't necessarily an insult, just saying that you are associated whatever it is. Christfags are christians, Amerifags are people who are from America, Eurofags, etc

[Anonymous No.]

ITT butthurt Kohakufags who are jealous because Sakura is superior damaged goods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095760
I prefer damaged goods that don't try to kill me for no apparent reason, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095767
>no apparent reason

...I give up. I really, honestly give up. If you haven't figured out the reason by now, there's nothing I can do to help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095767
...They both have reasons, and in both cases you are not the one RESPONSIBLE though.
So...

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095777
Really? Sakura had a reason to kill Shirou?

You haven't explained this yet. Would you care to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095781
Insanity, caused for the most part by Angry Manjew. Why do you think she suddenly stopped wanting to kill him when Rin's 'death' jarred her back to her senses?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095781

I thought she only wanted to eat Shirou's soul so she can be with him forever and ever and ever etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095796
There's a difference between insanity and stupidity. Likewise, there's a difference between returning to your senses and realizing you're an idiot.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2095626
If she asked for help Zouken could just snap his fingers and the crest worm would eat her brain. The end.

Sakura asking for help would be suicidal since Zouken can monitor her every move through his worms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095809
It was insanity. People don't just suddenly and completely switch personalities unless they're crazy, and if you'll please re-read everything from Rin getting herself 'killed' to right before Kotomine's epic last stand, you'll see it's pretty obvious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095811
And so she blames everyone else for not helping her. Right.

[Anonymous No.]

Shinji...I don't get why he gets all the hate on /jp/. FSN is just written to make him out as the bad guy, when really he's no worse than any of the 'protagonists' and a better person than most of them.

What are the main complaints? He raped Sakura and stole Rider to use in the war?

Okay, let's get this straight. He never fucking raped Sakura. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He never did it. He fucked Sakura.

Let me ask you this. WHO IN THE GAME DIDN'T FUCK SAKURA? You can't even name one fucking character who hasn't plugged her loose cunt! She is the kind of bitch who will act like she doesn't want it when she really does. She'll say No! while having multiple orgasms. Shinji knew this, he's a fucking ladies man. He knows what filthy whores like Sakura want.

And there's this other big bitch you guys have with him. He supposedly stole Rider and used her in the war for his own greed.

Objection! He was worried about his one and only precious sister. Is keeping your loved ones from a brutal war so wrong? When Shirou does the same thing to Saber it's like 'oh he's so manly', but when Shinji does it it's wrong? He just wanted to protect Sakura. He probably was going to use his Holy Grail wish to tighten her cunt back up or cure her syphilis or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095828
See:
>>2095675

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095826
>People don't just suddenly and completely switch personalities unless they're crazy
So Shirou was insane the whole time. Great.

Also, it was repeatedly pointed out that the Grail was COMPATIBLE with Sakura. In other words, she was already twisted and evil.

Let's use a comparison. The Grail was basically alcohol. Sakura was already a stupid bitch, and the Grail only made her more likely to act on her stupidity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095839
So Rin was actually everyone else in the world taking the form of one body? Whoa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095856
When you're a crazy person, that kind of thing happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095875
So now she's crazy just because she did bad things?

I guess no real villains exist, then. They're all just crazy and should be excused.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095849
I agree with this man.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2095856
Her hatred of the world stems from her hatred of Rin. When she realizes that her sister actually loves her and thus ceases to hate Rin, she repents for all her actions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095895
I'm guessing you haven't read any works by Nasu yet. He loves to get his readers to sympathize with the 'villains'.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095906
>repents
Really, now? How does she do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095895
No, she's crazy because she completely switched personalities due to ten years of pent-up self-hate and the little Crest Worm fucking with her mind. Dark Sakura is a completely different person from Sakura, just like Nanaya and Tohno are different people. Are they in the same body? Yes. But they're not the same person.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095908
I guess you lack morals, then. They're villains whether they're "sympathetic" or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095918
Nanaya Shiki and Tohno Shiki are completely separate personalities. "Dark Sakura" and Sakura are not--they share the same consciousness.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095918
Err, they are not separate personalities...Oh, whatever

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2095911
She regrets for all the evil she has done.

>>2095918
Did you miss Kotomine telling her that she's still the same person and her agreeing with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095911
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/repent
>to feel sorry, self-reproachful, or contrite for past conduct; regret or be conscience-stricken about a past action, attitude, etc.

How did she not?

[Anonymous No.]

don't listen to the idiot who used the skateboarding/physics metaphor. Take a Japanese class for 1 to 3 years, then take off and immerse yourself in Japanese. You need a good understanding of the mechanics behind the language before blindly diving into it to learn it the most effectively, aside from actually living in the country.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095927
>>2095925
Then I guess I just misunderstood. I consider a person as they are normally and a person whose been driven insane as two separate people, because the crazy one will do (or in some cases, not do) things that the normal one would never/always do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095922
Even Mr. All The Evil In The World is a goody guy once you get to know him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095933
...misfire?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095927
>>2095928
"Oh, I shouldn't have done that!" != Repenting. See the OP's ending complaint for more information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095939
>pro-life
>good
Ha ha ha, oh wow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095949
Dictionary seems to disagree with you there. And as for the True End, the reason it seems like there's no trauma is because she's spent the last ten years bottling up trauma. I don't think she'd have any trouble with it now, especially now that she has everything she wants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095949
Maybe you should read Fate/stay night again. The message is that there is no point in regretting anything. the only thing you can do is live on for the sake of everything that has been lost.

[Anonymous No.]

HF sucked. Fate was superior.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095968
Do you lack reading comprehension? Sakura did not repent. Whether Nasu thinks repenting is "liek so ttly dum" or not is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095981
Because Sakura doesn't have to repent. Read the game again until you understand it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095967
>Dictionary seems to disagree with you there.
1) DICTIONARY, n. A malevolent literary device for cramping the growth of a language and making it hard and inelastic.
2) Actually, it doesn't. Troll harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095987
It's impossible to understand that which is not true, bro. Didn't you ever learn that?

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2095981
repent: to feel regret or contrition

What do you define it as?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095996
She didn't "feel regret." She decided "Oh, maybe I shouldn't kill everyone" and didn't act like she gave a fuck about all of the people she had already killed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096003
Read Hollow Ataraxia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096006
I CANT LOLOLOLO

[Anonymous No.]

>>2095967
Then she didn't reconcile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096006
Never happened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096008
Than don't argue over something you have no understanding of.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2096003
She tries to drive away Shirou after stabbing Rin because she thinks that she deserves to die for what she has done. Shirou tells her it's OK to live. She doesn't simply go 'hey, maybe I shouldn't kill everyone after all' and walk away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096020
And here's the "Rin is everyone" fallacy again.

[Anonymous No.]

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2096030
She specifically mentions killing many people as being one of her sins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096024
...What? They didn't say Rin was everyone. It's implied in the post (and outright stated in the VN) that stabbing Rin is what brought her back to her senses, at which point she decided she didn't deserve to live after killing all those people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096030
Because Saber reads minds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096034
I know. I took that screenshot to help with the 'Sakura repented' side.

This one is to help show that we don't see her repenting because being with Shirou allows her to forget about her problems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096034
That doesn't mean she cared.

>>2096036
>brought her back to her senses
Have you not read the thread so far? She never "lost her senses" in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096038
No, she recognizes patterns. She's been through (and is going through) the exact same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096055
What? No, she's not.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2096054
The fact she wants to die to atone for what she did means she doesn't care? OK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096047
So she wants to be with Shirou just so she can avoid regret.

i.e.: SHE IS NOT REPENTING. SHE IS EVIL. SHE SHOULD DIE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096054
I have read the thread, and I've been the guy arguing that she went mostly insane. You don't honestly think she was herself during the nightly eat-everyone-in-sight walks, do you? To her, those were just vague hallucinations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096062
I can make a list of reasons for what I want to do, too. That doesn't mean the list is accurate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096060
Yes, Saber is. She realizes that she's made mistakes, and piles on all her regret into atoning for it in the Now, instead of over time in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096073
Well technically there is no "future" for Saber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096068
Even if they were dreams or hallucinations, that would not exempt her from responsibility. Also, what do you think was controlling her? A mindless existence? Did you completely miss the part about how Avenger didn't even technically exist yet? Oh, are you saying she was corrupted by evil? Despite the fact that it was repeatedly established that she was the same person as she always was and that the evil was drawn to her because she WAS evil? Are you that fucking dense?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096072
....This post just makes no sense to me. It's replying to a guy saying that Sakura wants to die to atone for what she did by dying, and that is repenting. Yet it replies to that with 'I can make a list of why I want to do something, but that doesn't make the list accurate'? What does that have to do with Sakura wanting to die to atone not being repenting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096080
There's no future for Arturia, but saber is an extension to that life.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2096072
Why do you think Sakura wants to die?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096087
>Sakura
>evil

Now I can't take this seriously anymore. Thanks.

I'll leave you with one last tidbit: They didn't say the evil was drawn to Sakura because she was evil, but because she had evil in her. Just like every human being in the world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096088
Wrong. Saber hasn't died yet. She's still the same Arturia.

Also, she can't possibly know what awaits her after death. She could have ended up being a Counter Guardian, for example, in which case she wouldn't be "making up for" anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096102
>she had evil in her. Just like every human being in the world.
The Christfaggotry is strong with this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096102
>Just like every human being in the world.
What? Even if that was true in the real world, that's not true in the Nasuverse.

Pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096110
What does thinking everybody has evil in them have to do with Christianity? Hell, I'm an Atheist and even I realize that every person in the world has the capacity for evil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096095
The same reason why she wants to be with Shirou... to avoid taking responsibility for her actions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096116
I can do no wrong because I know no wrong.

[White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ No.]

>>2096116
He's neither good nor evil.

Chaotic Gilgamesh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096124
I disagree, on the basis there is ALWAYS an exception to the rule, SOMEWHERE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096138
What? You're crazy.

Truly, Gilgamesh is the purest good known to Nasu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096135
True. Though I think it's safe to say that in the F/SN world, Shirou is that exception.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096148
He was.

Until HF happened and he decided to fuck the world and protect his slut instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096133
man now you're just finding reasons to disagree just to disagree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096124
Original sin.

[Anonymous No.]

Since when does having morals make you a christfag?
Do you have to go around raping and killing people to be an atheist?

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

>>2096133

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096148
Shirou can't possibly be that exception. After all, the Grail's curse nearly killed him, so it's obvious that he's subject to corruption.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096161
She's an attention whore. Why wouldn't she take the chance to make Shirou feel sorry for her?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096154
I understand that, but that's a very different thing from saying everybody has an evil side. Original Sin, to my understanding (and remember, I'm an Atheist so I'm probably wrong), is that we all committed a sin just by being born.

Besides, isn't that supposed to be taken away by baptism? Or communion? Or one of those things; anyway, in light of that, I'd think being Christian would make you think that not everybody has evil in them because pure, good Christian folk had their original sin purged and haven't done anything even remotely bad since then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096163
Well you know it was acting like acid to the ground where it touched it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096174
Yeah, but it should have burned through Shirou if that was what it was doing, right? It actually did when it touched his ankle or whatever, but then it enveloped him and started attacking his mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096170
Well depending on the sect of Christianity, such as Catholicism people can still sin, hence the need of confession.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096154
Eh, I never agreed with that bullshit.

OH HEY LOL THE SNAKE SAID IT WAS OKAY TO EAT THE APPLE!

Well no fucking SHIT they ate it, they had no knowhow of good and bad, and wern't smart enough to put the word of a snake below that of the word of god.

You see a talkin snake, you think somethins up.
It says "Hey eat this apple." and you say no way, because you know, you have knowledge.

But this was before the apple.
They were stupid. They were the dumbs.
They took the word of the snake as equal to that of the word of god because they didn't have the ability to do proper judgement, they gave weight to neither and merely thought it was god again telling them to do things.

So it's not the fucking original sin, it's a snake tricking a two retards into doing what it wants, while god just sits on his hands and lets it happen.

[Anonymous No.]

After all this time,you people are STILL intent on trolling Fate/Stay Night?

Jesus christ you guys are worse than /a/. Not even Code Geass lasted this long.

[Anonymous No.]

I've known about 5 girls who've admitted to being sexually abused as children, I always wonder why they dump their troubles on me. All of them were very sweet girls, well, one was a bit off but the one I knew best was the sweetest kindest girl I've ever known who was sexually abused by her father and brothers from the time she was 8 till she was 14. She reminds me very much of Sakura so boring or not it seems pretty true to life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096160
What thread are you reading? The argument is that Christians believe people are obviously naturally evil. If anything, that would make them immoral for allowing themselves to do evil things because "we can't help it lol"

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096179
I dunno, I interpreted that as Kotomine making it do that to Shirou.

[Anonymous No.]

Sakura > Rin > Saber

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096181
An omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent jackass with nothing better to do than make people and watch as they fuck themselves up.

But it's what people choose to believe, and since conclusive proof against it is impossible, I say live and let live.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096189
It was in response to the retards saying that having morals obviously makes you a christfag earlier.

[ZUN !barYV1VtIA No.]

>>2096190
>>Fate/Stay Night
>>Code Geass

Same poor series.

[mormon guy !nAP.g00d1k No.]

here we go again ....

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096216
0/10
Code Geass was actually entertaining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096209
Wrong. That was also me, and it SHOULD have been quite clear that I was saying that morals aren't "learned."

[Anonymous No.]

>>2096205
>Sakura < Rin = Saber

Fixed that for you.

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>>2096234
And it SHOULD be clear that you're retarded.

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>>2096234

Do you want for me to point out the whole argument about Good and Evil that is spewed at the end of HF?

Agrya Mayu was evil because ... well he was going to do what humans call Evil.

Also in the same speech he mention Humans were superior to Angels because Angels only knew Good as Humans knew Good AND Evil and had the choice of doing BOTH.

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>>2096247
Are we going to do this again?

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Nasu believes that everyone has darkness within. That is why he wanted to write black Saber, even inside an avatar of goodness like Saber lies a part of her that just wants to rape, burn and kill. Or at least eat you out of house and home.

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>>2096252
He's also pro-life. You should probably take everything he says with a grain of salt.

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>>2096259
>Or at least eat you out of house and home.
fuck no i don't want to go grocery shopping again

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>>2096259
Really, now? Did he say that he believes everyone has "darkness" in an interview or something?

Either way, that sure does contradict the pure existence of Gilgamesh...

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>>2096194
How come Kotomine had the ability to control the evil mud of Angra Mainyu? Was it his black heart that gave him that ability?

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>>2096267
Something like that.

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>>2096260

Except he is right, Agrya Mayu is not evil because he was not born yet ... but his actions would be what we called Evil.

Also he pointed out is what would Agrya Mayu think about his actions and how THAT would define him as Good or Evil, his actions were out of his control because he was created to be "all the evils of the world".

Its not bullshit Black/White morality crap ... everyone is a hypocrite if we just look at things that way.

After all ... did you forget what Shiro actions on the night of the fire? he did not saved anyone because he was trying to save HIMSELF.

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>>2096282
Well to be honest that was a very different Shirou than we have now.

See that Shirou burnt up back at the big ol fire.

This Shirou we have now is made of swords.

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Shirou here.
Archer is a fag.

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>>2096282
He wasn't trying to save himself. He was just... running.

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>>2096292

That is bullshit, Shiro felt so much guilt he tried to atone for it by "saving everyone" ... he knows that.

His actions are not pure, he is not trying to "save everyone" because that is the right thing, he is doing it by a sense of guilt.

And he also understand that, in Fate were he points that out to Saber and in UBW were we learned of what he actually did on the night of the fire.

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Why can't everyone just get along and be friends ;_;

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>>2096333
Really, what should he have done?

Just sit down and let himself burn to death?

Fuck, everyone else was trying to get away too, he just wound up lucky and got saved.

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>>2096333
What the fuck? You're an idiot. He wants to save everyone because he thought Kiritsugu's dream was beautiful. Did you even read it?

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>>2096336
No idea. I can't decide whether this thread is reason vs arbitrary hate/love, or a pleasant discussion amongst peers.

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>>2096339
And because he found it beautiful, he kicked Archer's ass in UBW.

So it all evens out.

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>>2096350
I think it's both, actually. :3

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>>2096357
Godlessfag here; second'd. We all need to blow off some steam sometimes, and I don't think anybody here is taking any of it too seriously. We'll get worked up, then continue on like nothing ever happened.

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>>2096339
The underlying motivation is guilt. He gets over that guilt in Fate/stay night. Maybe you should read Fate/stay night sometime.

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F/SN morality threads are possibly even worse than TM powerlevel threads.

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>>2096366
I don't see how he could possibly have any guilt for being a lost and confused child.

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Hey moralfriends. This thread is worse than watching an episode of Judge Judy and House back-to-back. Do you guys think you'll even influence Nasu? Nope, cuz you're all lame Westerners. That's really funny, I think.

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>>2096392
What does this have to do with influencing the writer? We're discussing the motivations of his character, not saying he should change them.

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