/DJT/「Daily Japanese Thread」第2118番

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, Japanese video games, and bangers.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
Old guide for those afraid of change:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Remember: you CAN learn Japanese.
前スレ: >>20908871

[Anonymous No.]

乙

[Anonymous No.]

What's the easiest Murakami book in the library?

[Anonymous No.]

Who the fuck is george

[Anonymous No.]

any otakus here ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916096
jooji trombolay from ゼロから始める日本語
>>20916103
rep

[Anonymous No.]

george is an enigma

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916061
1Q84

[Anonymous No.]

Do the japanese still call outsiders gaijin or is that outdated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916222
they call foreigners that
it's not outdated
if they're nice you get a gaijin-san

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916222
They use 人外 too because everyone and their dog recognizes being called gayjin now.

[friend No.]

all u boobheads need this book rite here

no really it’s a great book it will show you how to be happier and more chill in life

[Anonymous No.]

i thought you found jesus whats all this buddha shit

[Anonymous No.]

here's the actual book you need

[Anonymous No.]

imagine being such a weeb that you switch beetwen language on your pc every time you make a post
with lot and lots of copyspaste!

[Anonymous No.]

Buddhism is a heavily flawed ideology with some decent ideas

[Anonymous No.]

Can I be the 部長, please?!

[Anonymous No.]

Ok so I never really understood this when it came with how to learn.

How do I learn the words themselves rather than just memorizing the kanji for something? A lot of people I see use flashcards with the Kanji on the front but it sounds like you wouldn't learn anything that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916275
ワタシは実は、「超クール」

[Anonymous No.]

>it sounds like you wouldn't learn anything that way
well you do

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916414
>i dont believe the answer so please sell me an alternative other than the alternative i dont like

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916414
>flashcards with the Kanji on the front but it sounds like you wouldn't learn anything that way
you learn how to read the word and what it means
what more do you want

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916421
But then you just learn how to read it, and only in Kanji form. That's useless when you're trying to read it in hiragana or listening to it.
>>20916426
Because then I just memorize the actual character for a word and not how the word is actually formed so I only know it in Kanji form

[Anonymous No.]

私は「超ゲイ」

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916435
you have the kanji on the front and the hiragana reading and meaning on the back
you literally learn the hiragana reading

> then I just memorize the actual character for a word and not how the word is actually formed
i don't know what this is supposed to mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916435
>and only in Kanji form. That's useless when you're trying to read it in hiragana or listening to it.
what the FUCk is ur problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916422
>>20916426
>"learning" things the way they present them to you instead of actually understanding the logic, structure and meaning behind them

lazy student 4evah

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916444
Ok so say for example I see the kanji 月 and I've memorized that it means moon. I'm learning the kanji in that case, rather than learning that it is "つき".
Wouldn't it be better to put the hiragana on the front since that seems more important to know?
>>20916450
I really don't see the problem. 月 means nothing to me when I'm listening or if I'm reading it as "つき"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916456
You put 月 on the front of the card
You put つき and "moon" on the back and learn both of them
When the card comes up you see 月 and recall that it is read as つき and means moon

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916456
remembering that 月 is read つき might be more important than remembering what つき actually means
people generally put both the kana and the meaning on the back and remember both

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916417
>ワタシも実は、「超クール」

[Anonymous No.]

私はハードゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916473
>>20916475
Oh. Oh I guess that makes more sense then. So I think I should make sure I answer both the hiragana and the english translation for each kanji then and apparently that'll give me the best result?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916496
yes
don't think in kanji though, think in words

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916394
I started reading this and started meditating and it did absolutely nothing for me. Maybe I'm simply retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916511
it takes a lot of practice

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916509
Well thanks for walking me through it. I understand much better now.

[friend No.]

>>20916293
jesus is kinda lame hahah

[friend No.]

>>20916405
your mind sounds like it thinks it knows everything :/ clear that mug out

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916275
sounds like curry-flavored stoicism

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916526
>Durr u can't know anything
>This cunt in authority does tho lol xD

[friend No.]

>>20916394
that books nice too
but this one doubles as japanese practice heck yes

also reading in a second language allows for more objective processing of the ideas presented

[friend No.]

>>20916536
no ones in authority
合理的な考え方だけだよ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916548
>Buddhism isn't flawed because I say so
>If you disagree u r ignorant lol
What a brilliantly nuanced system

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916096
George "I have never finished a Japanese book" Trombley

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916605
Based. George just won that argument.

[friend No.]

>>20916550
your mind seems eager to create conflicts

you can keep arguing with your own preconceived notions OR you could read the book and be happier :) ur call friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916630
>Reddit spacing
>Smiley faces
>Awful spelling
Fuck off back to whatever shit board you migrated from

[friend No.]

>>20916639
woah your mind seems like a really uncomfortable place to be friend... i bet you’re pretty unhappy with yourself *pats ur back*

想像してみてください…無駄な反応をしなくなれば、人生どれほど楽になることか。

[Anonymous No.]

おっぱい風船

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916662
おぞましい
やっぱり貧乳は最高

[Anonymous No.]

Why is listening so fucking hard?

[Anonymous No.]

Learn 和語 > learn 漢字 and their most common 音読み > find out which 和語 you've learnt so far are written with said 漢字 > learn other 漢字 and that way learn 漢語

[Anonymous No.]

cuz ur not listening with eng subs on

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916414
You eventually learn the patterns by seeing different readings and where they're used. Just start by adding the most common vocab to a mining deck as you go like 20 words a day should take 20 mins to review each day. If you install a monolingual dictionary it will tell you where the reading is split between the kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916688
Because it's fast and it blends together. You can't force it just input more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916688
少しずつ聞けばより簡単になるよ。

日本語字幕付いてるやつを聞いてみて。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916669
おっぱいは何でもbeautifulだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916688
DOWNLOAD
HENTAI
GAME

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916743
ちゃう
とある大きさ以上形が崩れる。
それはもうおっぱいじゃなく、ただの肉塊になる。

[Anonymous No.]

I need to get a magical girl outfit.

[Anonymous No.]

what does よっこいせ mean？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916758
形が崩れてもオッケーだよ‍️

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916774
すっぽんぽんはうってつけだと思う

[Anonymous No.]

I just switched to Linux. How is this going to improve my Japanese language learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916799
Look up よっこい in a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916810

heave-ho

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916807
Read books and you'll improve no matter what gay OS you use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916807
It will be easier to run some windows applications that require japanese locale to function properly without changing your entire OS locale than it is on windows proper. That's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

i just came up with an idea, is it good?

anki cards with a sentence, but the new word in bolded hiragana on the front

the kanji and meaning of the new word on the back

passing the card requires writing the kanji of the new word properly, and understanding the sentence and meaning

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916900
That's exactly how 四字熟語 are tested. Hiragana shown in context, you write the kanji. Only really useful if you want to learn to write.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916900
That's what I did for my RTK deck after it reached maturity. I just slowly replaced the keywords with Japanese words I knew, but with the target kanji clozed out and replaced with the in-context reading. Have to write the correct character from memory to pass the card.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916511
what stage were you meditating at?

if you didn't even pass stage 2 you can't really say it "didn't do anything for you" lol that's like barely learning kana and then being mad you can't read yet

[Anonymous No.]

昼ご飯を食べたい。お腹が空いているから。何を食べたらいいの?

[Anonymous No.]

Josh, time for 223 anki cards. Haven't done 'em in three days.

[Anonymous No.]

is it true you learn japanese faster if you dress up as a girl?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917131
absolutely u gotta play the part and breathe the culture

[Anonymous No.]

It only works if you dress up like a japanese girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917077
あたしもおなかすいた

[Anonymous No.]

Bluepill me on learning Japanese. I don't see the actual benefit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917154
それでいっしょうにたべましょうか、おにいちゃん？

[Anonymous No.]

Close the thread and forget all about Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917208
女の子のおチンチンが大好きですか、兄貴？
これを一緒に食べませんか？

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgRte6oSoF8

Why Heisig's "Remembering The Kanji" (RTK) is The Best approach for learning kanji.

Learn all the kanji with single unique meanings as soon as you can, either while you're learning spoken vocabulary and grammar, or even beforehand. Don't crowd that process with learning any phonetic readings. Don't worry about the small % of cases where the kanji's meaning(s) differ from the unique keyword yet, the point is to build a mental dictionary.

"Kanji frequency" order for kanji is useless for 2nd-language learners because you should already be learning full vocab in this way, and overlapping it with kanji will cause memory collision. "Kanji concept simplicity" order is useless for 2nd-language learners because, unlike children, you already know tons of concrete and abstract concepts.

RTK does it in "kanji component order" which makes it a million times easier to learn all ~2000 of the important ones. Once you have that mental dictionary, it's then essentially automatic for your mind to associate their meanings with the readings as you learn the spoken vocabulary, without at any point ever explicitly learning "this kanji has these readings".

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917189
there is none, machine translation will make it useless in five years

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917236
Any other good ways to waste my time besides this and djt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917330
RTK isn't a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917077
ブルーベリー、ラズベリー、ストロベリー、バナナ。全部で300gぐらい

[Anonymous No.]

迷子になっちゃいました。

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of RTK, isn't Matt saying now that you need to know a bunch of Japanese before doing it? I'm genuinely curious what kind of mental gymnastics he did to come to that conclusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917371
I have no idea what Matt says but the idea is that you can do RTK whenever, but the payoff (obviously) only comes once you learn a load of Japanese and your head sorts readings out for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917330

get this book n read it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917371
He realized that RTK is pretty hard and it might cause some of his patreon chumps to quit before he can fully use them to buy more Apple products, so he basically started contradicting his prior advice. If you ignore everything he's posted since "MIA" then you can't go wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917354
Keep lying to yourself. It's your 時間 to 掛ける

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917371
he did something that isnt rtk that he hated then learned some nihongo and did rtk and told people to do just do rtk before anything
bunch of his cultists burned out so he went oh shit do what i did instead
think hes still not willing to accept the idea that kanji up front isnt even important
>>20917385
first half of your post was good

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917236
>Don't worry about the small % of cases where the kanji's meaning(s) differ from the unique keyword yet, the point is to build a mental dictionary.

see this is the point i don't get
why cant i just build my mental dictionary from words containing each kanji? wouldn't that be way more efficient?

or for cases where a kanji is only seen in 熟語, learn the kanji's reading in whatever 熟語 i saw it in, and study it that way?

i just can't wrap my head around how avoiding readings/words could be anything but an inefficient use of time...

[Anonymous No.]

仕事に行きたくないよ。一日中勉強していたいんだから。これが大嫌いよ、ぜったい大嫌いよ。
会社員の人生はクソだよ。

I'm proud I could output all that even tho it probably has mistakes

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917236
I was on the meme RTK path until I got some sense, and let me tell you it is a waste of time. It's such an unnatural and roundabout way of learning a language. The best way to learn kanji is through vocab. Why bother creating a "mental dictionary" of pictures and shitty mnemonics when you can save yourself the trouble and time by just learning to read/use the kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917400
どんな会社で勤務なんだ？

[Anonymous No.]

it's almost like almost all of matt's advice is random ideas that nobody ever actually tested doing the way he said to do it, just like ajatt
if you want to learn japanese just use it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917391
The only one lying to themselves is you.
>>20917393
All of my post was good. He originally did Lazy Kanji first instead of traditional RTK, which is a bad idea because it puts the character and the story on the front, and deeply regretted cutting corners. He only suddenly recommends it now to people who don't know better, because he doesn't want his Patron subscribers to burnout because then he would have to get a job. And he values not having to work over giving the best advice.
>>20917401
>The best way to learn kanji is through vocab.
You're an idiot, are probably new/horrible at Japanese, and have no idea what you're talking about evidenced by the fact that you're conflating two entirely different things. You can't learn to write kanji through vocab. That makes no sense. RTK is production.

[Anonymous No.]

could you explain why にしています is used in the 1st sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917413
喧嘩になったら日本語でおｋ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917417
eureka, is it that
he seems to want to sleep + NI (adverb) + doing

he's doing/acting as if he wanted to sleep?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917411
>>20917411
>>20917411
Why isn't this guy IP banned yet? He's trying so hard to force memes of himself.

[Anonymous No.]

altough i guess you can't attach the adverb ending to non-adjectives baka

[Anonymous No.]

How long would RTK for chinese take?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917420
you could only hope that the context behind that image is that simple my friend no no it goes back seven years and involves hundreds of people let me tell you a story *starts narrating*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917395
>>20917401
The point is that breaking the task up into a logical progression gets you to the end goal faster, regardless how how the early stages "feel".

The whole point of a mental dictionary is to create a unique mapping of information which relates with *itself* in intuitive ways, which can then *later* be mapped to contextual information. If you go through the process:

>RTK Kanji (just keywords)
>learn spoken vocab
>attempt to read while sentence-mining non-obvious compounds

, you will reach the end goal of "high comprehension" faster than if you were to, say, try:

>only study vocab
>learn kanji only in-context

, since most contexts (of vocab words and implicit ones for each sub-kanji or kanji element) overlap with each other and you'll incur a delay for every time these or the readings clash (which will happen all the time). You'll also end up wasting a lot of time "rote-learning" complicated kanji which represent common or "simple" ideas without being able to benefit from the component-based reasoning for why they mean what they do until much later.

And once you start getting similar *looking* kanji with totally different meanings, if you haven't already primed yourself to break the ideograms down into sub-components and with relations that let you automatically distinguish them (regardless of whether the mental picture is a "true etymology" or not), you'll have serious trouble getting out of the "i think it's X which means it's probably actually Y" nightmare.

tl;dr still no-one gets the point about in- and out-of-context information requiring different treatment and thinks that techniques for western languages should be optimal even when the base assumptions are wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917408
カストマー・サービスで働いている。毎日つまらない客としゃべっている。
この仕事が好きじゃないよ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917429
今北産業

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917429
Also a lot of people seem to get hung up on the mnemonics, incorrectly thinking "it's a whole load of extra stories to remember which have nothing to do with meanings or readings", when the actual point of them is to provide a *temporary* artificial context during the learning stage so that you slot them into your head in appropriate component-order. Once you mature each keyword you'll find that you no longer explicitly think most of the mnemonic pictures/stories, as your mind can *now* just pull the right kanji out automatically, but *only* because the information was properly primed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917439
mnemonics don't magically disappear you have to untrain them i still can't remember the months in order or recite the alphabet without singing a song

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917269
machine translation will never truly replace an intuitive understanding of a language
just like hentai VNs will never truly replace real sex

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917445
well theres ur problem eroge arent made to replace sex theyre made to replace love

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917445
>hentai VNs
smug anime girl laughing with her hand over her mouth.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917442
Those are sequence mnemonics and in my (unprofessional) opinion that property of them is exactly why they're bad - not all mnemonics are sequence mnemonics. Good mnemonics conjur up a single related mental image that relates the necessary elements. For the alphabet and for months it would be a better idea to work out new mnemonics that relate each month to their adjacent months and to their number without just being a linear list-dump, however this isn't done in schools. Only really because no-one's bothered to fix it.

[Anonymous No.]

you guys waste so much time aruging about RTK, the fact is you'd spend less time just doing it

yes, it's not a perfect method and you gonna forget the kanji without practice, but you'll get an invaluable redpill about kanji actually not being the hardest part of Japanese, of it not being hard at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917451
why would you use a non sequential mnemonic when you can just memorize the original information without issue
nobody should need an mnemonic to remember 悪 or 鬼 and thats true of like 80% of kanji even if you like mnemonics and you're writing

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917417
I know a few uses of にする, but they don't seem to fit:
>decided to
>smells/tastes/feels - the last one could have a use here
>do towards something - is the most vague one and also most possible in this context i think

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917460
>just memorise the original information without issue
yeah because spending 10 years "just memorising" everything is a great idea compared to 10 months learning it effectively

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917460
So why does it take Nip kids ten years to learn them? It took me less than two months. Surely it would be easier for them because of their massive vocabulary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917464
did you just call mnemonics learning
i'm so deeply offended that i can't continue this conversation

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917467
don't kid yourself, you don't "know" kanji anywhere near as well as a japanese middle schooler, nothing can replace years of experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917457
>>20917425
Another great thing about RTK is that once you've done it, you can reapply it to Mandarin really, really easily.

If anything, with Mandarin you can also just put each character's reading in (because except for a tiny, tiny minority, the hanzi readings are unique), AND you get the whole "phonetic series" structure to benefit from. If you then start learning vocab either through speech or pinyin, you can very quickly relate that back to the hanzi you learn with almost no risk of serious collision.

There's a Remembering the Hanzi (RTH) deck somewhere which does this.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread got so bad so fast read the op
cease arguing about kangxi and post bangers https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3kHfJlCcu4

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917471
A japanese middle schooler knows JAPANESE better than you, but you can easily know KANJI better if you learn them via a sensible method instead of the way they do it in school, which is really slow and only works if you're a native speaker (and basically have to learn them yourself out in your real life) anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Q1: How do I write " 氵"
Q2: How bad is my handwriting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917490
retard, you aren't supposed to repeatedly write kanji, didn't you read the introduction by Heisig?

I did the same thing, it's a waste of time, just write them once when they come up in your study

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917504
I mean, repeatedly writing them is fine if the goal is neat handwriting, assuming you already know them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917490
Not the worst I've seen anon - in regards to 氵 radical, here's a example like how I do.

I wouldn't bother writing kanji, I did it for a learn and I think learning kanji through words was miles more effective

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917509
if he wanted to write them neatly as in caligraphy he wouldn't hurry that much
just look at the bottom row, those squares aren't really squares, so this piece of paper clearly indicates he doesn't do it for beautiful writing but he's learning them and thinks he will learn them better if he writes them out repeatedly

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917457
i didn't do RTK but i don't think kanji is hard... i learn new ones as i encounter them, via vocab

the ones i already know make it easier to learn new words with them... because i remember the reading/meaning from past words. 80% of new words i encounter now only consist of kanji i've seen before, with readings i've seen before (although there are some words that don't follow rules when it comes to readings and that can be annoying but still, RTK wouldn't prevent that either)

and when i encounter kanji with different meanings that look similar, i take note of what radical makes them different, sometimes make a lil nnemonic in japanese (like with the ゆう's in 憂鬱 vs 優先, 人に優しくして；しないと心配する。), and then i usually remember from then on......

i think RTK has some good methods in it, like mnemonics and breaking down by radicals when there are similar looking kanji. i just think it's not necessary for every kanji, and that you can do a lot of that on the fly as you learn vocab. making nnemonics USING japanese has been very helpful for me. you can't do that if you can't even read or make coherent sentences yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917514
Possibly. I'm just giving the benefit of the doubt. He might just be trying to make sure he can write them consistently while also under a time limit, i.e. not ensuring "super neat when slow" but rather "actually legible when fast" which are totally different goals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917518
>the ones i already know make it easier to learn new words with them... because i remember the reading/meaning from past words.
>i think RTK has some good methods in it, like mnemonics and breaking down by radicals when there are similar looking kanji. i just think it's not necessary for every kanji, and that you can do a lot of that on the fly as you learn vocab.
obviously the point here is that you only benefit here when the "one you already know" is a sub-element of the "one you're trying to remember", not the other way around - RTK is simply the logical extreme of this, ordering the learning such that you always only learn things that build on other elements you already know

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917504
My goals are
1: Improving my handwriting english and Japanese
2: Understanding stroke order better
3: It's been proven that the act of writing something out cements it in memory and have 100% recall rate on Anki! (I know you're not supposed to shoot for 100% but I don't have a problem remembering them)
4: I enjoy writing it out

Heisig says not to write them out to memorize them, I write them out for other reasons even if that's not true.

>>20917511
It absolutely is, hence why I AJATT with a lot of written material and I been finding it super useful! Also, thank you for showing me how to write that radical, as you can tell by my picture I tried at least 10 different ways and it never looked "right" but I also suspect it's because my lines are thin compared to the thicker fonts most websites use.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917520
>>20917514
My handwriting is genuinely awful, I am a girl so it's even worse :/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917530
>It's been proven that the act of writing something out cements it in memory and have 100% recall rate on Anki! (I know you're not supposed to shoot for 100% but I don't have a problem remembering them)
source other than your ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917530
I used this to practice when I was - it was recommended by my tutor;

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/4805311169/ref=asc_df_480531116958667694/?tag=googshopuk-21&creative=22110&creativeASIN=4805311169&linkCode=df0&hvadid=310943444083&hvpos=1o3&hvnetw=g&hvrand=3163313748623957748&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045313&hvtargid=pla-479615229564&th=1&psc=1

If you want something for free:
https://mega.nz/#F!a8VAiR5K!V5O5vyEQimT-ho7ah2gKfA

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917538
damn you are nasty, but I guess japs will still adore you as a female

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/LnGYk6QVYXs
Nuke decided to share what it looks like to review RTK after a 10 year break and it went like you'd expect so skip to 24min to see him fuck up a lot. I watched way too much of this, but lost it when he started talking about Crossfit near the end. WTF?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917442
The stories actually do fade away once the cards reach mature stages, and especially when you start associating the kanji with Japanese readings. Though you may still remember a few very memorable stories even years later.
>>20917518
>... i learn new ones as i encounter them, via vocab
No you don't. For example if you can't think the kanji for べんきょう or くうこう in your head, stroke for stroke, without looking at the word then you're illiterate like worse than a middle schooler. RTK learners learn readings in context too, just like you're doing, but they do that after they learn to write the kanji from memory and what they all mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917554
>after a 10 year break
you're not supposed to ever actually stop doing spaced repetition, you know

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917490
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R622taenlD4&t=581

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>>20917542
https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797614524581
They counter argument here is "Conceptual Questions", the steelman is "Since writing is not conceptual, this proves nothing", however, I'd wager that following RTK is indeed conceptual since you are indeed creating abstract stories and linking them to the Kanji in your head more over than simply "following lines"

>>20917547
Thank you, I quite do appreciate these links

>>20917549
My handwriting can be a ton better if I try, however it's very hard to keep up for me

>>20917560
Thank you, I'll follow these and improve my Kanji and also use them for immersion c:

[Anonymous No.]

what business do women have in learning Japanese? i thought it was a male hobby

[Anonymous No.]

inb4 she(boy) says she(boy) has a boyfriend

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>>20917559
He said something about quitting 9 years but when he started back he just learned 1000 kanji. This was the next set of 500 kanji. Kind of weird since there was kanji he knew that he just suspended, and the ones he didn't he set to review in 7 days. It was kind of weird to watch since he was writing from memory then talked about how it was pointless to do it.

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>>20917560
what's this kind of paper called?

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>>20917527
yeah i get that... i just feel like 3 months spent immersing while picking up 10~15 new vocab a day will leave you with 1,000+ useable vocab words, kanji readings, sentences with organic grammar exposure, AND kanji recognition to build off of moving forward...

whereas by the end of 3 months with RTK... you only have the last of those benefits. and many of the kanji you've "memorized" are probably ones you'll never see until you start reading harder stuff and by then you'll probably have forgotten them and have to drill more anyway

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>>20917358
しろめしは？

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>>20917575
uhh enjoying japanese native materials and talking to japanese people? literally the same reasons as guys lol that was a dumb question

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>>20917587
>whereas by the end of 3 months with RTK... you only have the last of those benefits. and many of the kanji you've "memorized" are probably ones you'll never see until you start reading harder stuff and by then you'll probably have forgotten them and have to drill more anyway
the counter to this is that regardless of what method you do use, you still basically "need" to know all 2000 core ones, so you really might as well do it (or have done it) in a way which maximally emphasises how they build off each other - learning that same 2000 purely "in context" will comparatively take absolutely forever

of course you'll forget some over time but that's also inevitable no matter how you learned them and you should probably make a point of always doing your spaced repetition reviews even once you've matured everything and only have a really small Due count per day, along with the occasional random Cram to catch stragglers

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>>20917585
what hes using looks like custom printouts from my limited knowledge but 原稿用紙 is what youre probably looking for

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>>20917555
>No you don't. For example if you can't think the kanji for べんきょう or くうこう in your head, stroke for stroke, without looking at the word then you're illiterate like worse than a middle schooler.

as far as i'm concerned it's only necessary to learn to write kanji that you actually use in physical writing during your 日常生活... otherwise whats the point when you could just type it...

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>>20917613
thank you

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>>20917587
Shall we do a quick race through Core6k then? You start off doing 15 words a day, I spent the first two months doing RTK and then do 40 words a day.

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>>20917622
lmao

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>>20917575
Personally? I find the history quite interesting and I would love to learn how to cook a couple recipes, and maybe move there if I had a chance and open a restaurant among other things.

>>20917579
I have a boyfriend

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>>20917622
this post summarizes both sides of the debate well
u dont know nihongo but u are confident in ur made up data

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not much of a gamer. Would a second hand psp be good device to purchase purely for playing japanese vns to learn japanese?

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>>20917555
>if you can't think the kanji for べんきょう or くうこう in your head, stroke for stroke, without looking at the word then you're illiterate
lmao no that's retarded
>like worse than a middle schooler
this part i will agree with and it should be the only """literacy""" argument you make, relative literacy
anyone who can read and produce a text is literate, the idea that handwriting is tied to literacy is outdated victorian class war bullshit from when being unable to write in coherent cursive made you """illiterate"""

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>>20917642
depends how often you need to look shit up and what you want out of it

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>>20917677
>lol when i type vinyurd i just right click and google fixes it why would i learn how to spell?
Based illiterate retard.

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>>20917688
post ur english handwriting

[Anonymous No.]

since the girls are coming out of hiding i’d like to share a little something i call “how i like my pussy devoured”

and before you say it’s ugly, yes i know and yes i’m sad about it

[Anonymous No.]

you don't have to tell everyone you're a woman, nobody cares

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>>20917712
Those are some fat kanji, you should buy some graph paper and practice fitting everything in boxes.

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>>20917725
I originally posted it because it's shameful for women to have chickenscratch handwriting more so than men, it gives context.

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>>20917712
I could read this all clearly. Excellent handwriting.

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>>20917734
mwah thanks
my tattered self esteem has been restored

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>>20917681
Good point. I can play things like hanahira just fine. But I'm outside of home most of the day and too tired to read when I do come home. On the other hand I spend 2 hours commuting everyday, looking for a way to fill it.
My friend has a psp and wants 30$ for it.

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>>20916496
how the fuck did you not know that you dope.

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>>20917730
i used to practice with box paper, and still do sometimes.. but after being around japanese people and seeing how oblong and BIG their kanji tend to be relative to their kana (like look at the 暑、熱、症 in this pic)... i stopped caring so much

i think now i just care if its cute and legible

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>>20917851
けっこうあるよ

もじつぶれるから

かんじおおきくなる

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>>20917236
You do realize he unironically changed his mind on this video because it turned out there were flaws in the empirical results that his theory didn't predict?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCYzV2S3LU

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>>20917426
go on

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>>20917555
>The stories actually do fade away once the cards reach mature stages
yep. that's what happened to me. the mature cards started reaching 3-4 month intervals and i would start to forget which kanji were associated with which words (even though i could still remember my story if i could remember the general shape of the kanji) and my retention dropped. at that point it was too much of a hassle to begin a slow conversion to actual japanese words, when instead i could spend that time learning the language and just do RTK again if i ever feel like learning to write.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/LnGYk6QVYXs?t=6405
nuke getting pissed at beginners on reddit. i'm dying now.

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>>20917877
>it was too much of a hassle to learn japanese words so instead i just learned japanese words

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>>20917880
lmfao the mental block is real that stutter kills me

https://streamable.com/0ql94

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>>20917856
笑(*´з`)
私の手書きはどう思う、、日本人として

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917903
あかぺんする？

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>>20917861
Apparently, 9:33 until 38:49 is the important bit, so I'm going to watch that and come back.

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>>20917880
I feel like he's getting more and more djt like.

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>>20917712
LONDON
O
N
D
O
N

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>>20917885
no, i'm talking about remembering what kanji to write in response to an english word prompt, as opposed to learning which readings and meanings are associated with which japanese words.

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>>20917909
we need to give him a little more of a push so he can start saying people dont know japanese proudly

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>>20917880
that's my man

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>>20917712
Never seen a girl call their pussy a chestnut.

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>>20917885
>>20917937
or wait no you're talking about my deciding to learn japanese words in terms of frequency/how often i see them while reading as opposed to learning japanese words which i can associate with all the kanji in my RTK deck (and replace english keywords with them). but the problem is that it would only be useful to switch the english keywords to japanese keywords if i were actually encountering those japanese words frequently enough while reading, so that when i get prompted on the RTK card with the japanese reading i could remember "oh i see this word a lot while reading and remember the vague shape of the kanji. so i KNOW which kanji it is, and now i can use my story to remember all the details/components!"

but as a beginner who didn't know japanese and who struggled through text, i didn't feel i was encountering enough words to transition quickly enough from english keywords to japanese keywords. keep in mind that during this process you have to keep up your reviews and it was just too much of a hassle. that said, since i've done RTK once, doing it a second time will be a breeze if i so choose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917955
「クリ」は「クリトリス」の略称なんだよ笑

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>>20917905
ん！実はピンクだけどｗ

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>>20917981
it's momoiro, you retard.

[Anonymous No.]

yalls brains are momo shaped

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>>20917989
are you okay? lol u seem crazy

[Anonymous No.]

具体的

best word

[Anonymous No.]

コンクリートのようにハード

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918017
わかるー

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>>20917622
>RTKers are THIS delusional

[Anonymous No.]

erm excuse me the term is rtgaylord

[Anonymous No.]

わたしのようにゲイ

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>>20917906
I'll try to pre-empt some of the problems:

11:30
>retention rate of mature kanji decreases
fix your SRS settings
Actually he starts making good points about how once you no longer need the mnemonic, it's basically a "new" process of reinforcing direct recall. What happens in practice then is you get that card way after you lost the direct recall AND the mnemonic. Though he stops short of making clear exactly how this is a detriment to the learning process, it's clear that it introduces delays late on.

Ok, he's basically saying "once you've done RTK and also learned japanese, you should redo RTK with good japanese keywords instead of rough english ones" which thanks to Anki is a straightforward process and I think there are even already decks that have multiple such fields - just edit the card template once you mature everything. And of course, nothing stops you from learning japanese vocabulary phonetically during your first RTK pass, which I had always thought was The Point anyway. Whether or not that's "his point" doesn't especially interest me, that's my take.

I think Chinese Hanzi avoid this problem due to stronger links between meaning and reading, and ALL the premade decks will make it super easy to make this template switch once you finish pass 1.

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>>20918029
Reminds me of myself when I used to defend RTK here. I too believed unsubstantiated nonsense like this because the theory "made sense" to me. My view was that there's no real evidence for either side's claims, so why not just go with the more sensible theory? Of course reality is more complicated than that. Even if that chart were accurate, it doesn't take into account enjoyment and motivation which are pretty important.

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>>20918029
Are you saying it's impossible to do 40 C6K cards a day? Because that's really not all that difficult if you know the kanji beforehand.

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[Anonymous No.]

一生独身で仕事をする
i just spent 1 minute trying to figure out if this meant "spending my entire life working as/via/by means of a bachelor" but the translation said the で just meant "and" in this case. should i just quit?

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anyone knows how to add a j-j dictionary to yomichan? I think it's about time for me to make the jump but i'm not sure how to do it. I mine all my words and making the cards myself seems hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918057
>Are you saying it's impossible to do 40 C6K cards a day?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doeFdOXoiE0

>>20918084
why do u have to use such stupid english

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>>20918085
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivO8OdMEP-8

[Anonymous No.]

claiming you're literate when you cant compose a coherent text or write more than a hundred words from memory ftw

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>>20918093
ear aids warning mute ur computer before clicking this link

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>>20918092
what do you mean. i thought that で meant what i said it meant because i have no idea how to distinguish when it refers to a cause or method, or "and".

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>>20918088
Is it physically possible for you to have a normal conversation or has lowercase posting completely dissolved your brain?

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>>20918101
why cant u just let the で be で dude why do u have to twist and stretch it and make it something its not

一生独身で仕事をする

just let it be let it flow dude

[Anonymous No.]

btw i realized its really hard to get to get this point across when im really gesturing at the screen but none of that can make it into the post field

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918108
what does that mean? if i let it flow the sentence is incomprehensible.

[Anonymous No.]

人間の悩みはどれも「心の反応」で作られている。日常も「心の反応」で作られているといっても、過言ではないのです。

例えば、朝の通勤ラッシュで「今日も混んでいるな」とゲンナリするとき。これは心を憂鬱にさせる「反応」です。大事な場面で「失敗するかもしれない」と、ネガティブな想像をしてしまうとき。不安や緊張を生み出す「反応」です。

だとすれば、すべての悩みを根本的に解決できる方法があります。それはー「無駄な反応をしない」ことです。

勘違いされやすいのですが、無理して我慢することや、無視して無関心でいることではありません。ただ、

１．心の反応をちゃんと見る。
２．それを合理的に考える。

(cont.)

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>>20918119
here dude this is all i can do for u

no funny voice just the real shit

https://vocaroo.com/i/s0Blmw2q7i6E

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>>20918114
You've got some major societal disorder, better get that checked out.

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>>20918249
i mean yah but what am i supposed to stop loving all my 2d girlfriends too ? hah fat chance

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>>20918084
imagine relying on translations lmao

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>>20918288
it's from dojg. it's useful since it clears up misunderstandings like the "because" で and "and" で.

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>>20918297
not-gonna-make-it-est post of the thread for sure

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>>20918297
what the fuck is "and" で dude
let で be で

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>>20918309
define making it. depending on your answer, i may prove you wrong.

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>>20918316
what was ur jcat score the last time u posted it ? 1 point higher than that

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>>20918312
it's the て form of だ right? which means and.
>>20918326
i've never taken the jcat so i just have to take it once then.

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>>20917896
fucking based

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnGYk6QVYXs
what are you doing nuke, please just keep reading novels you were doing good

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>>20918345
thats not logic works ur gonna have to take it once and then take it again

which means we have like at least a week for this whole thing to blow over and forget about it by the time u do

no but seriously do japanese books describe it that way too ive never looked cuz im not a nerd like that

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>>20918360
u forgot the timestamp

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>>20918361
>which means we have like at least a week for this whole thing to blow over and forget about it by the time u do
no i'll get really low scores on the jcat. it's gonna take a couple years to prove you wrong about me making it.

>no but seriously do japanese books describe it that way too ive never looked cuz im not a nerd like that
yea if i'm remembering correctly. で means different things. they're not actually the same word. they just sound the same.

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>>20918345
で means で, and I have no idea what you mean by て form of だ
there's no nuance of で close to english "and" unless I'm missing something

[Anonymous No.]

if i have hiragana
do i just go into grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918398
て form of です actually, not だ.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojg/dojgall.html#basic%E3%81%A7(3)

but i might be misinterpreting the notes.

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>>20918398
>there's no nuance of で close to english "and" unless I'm missing something
lol wtf is this. what do you think the sentence 綺麗で若い女がいる。means

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>>20918434
it's the 連用形 of だ, not です, which is just the polite form of だ

[Anonymous No.]

u guys better get this straightened out before i try to clumsily talk about grammatical shit using terms i dont understand

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>>20918445
so I was missing something after all, thanks
but it doesn't feel like english "and" since it's linked or something, more like a comma
translating japanese grammar is stupid to begin with

>>20918434
stop reading about japanese and feel it already

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>>20918487
you shouldn't really be making comments about this shit when you dont even know 1 of the most basic functions of japanese grammar.

there's nothing fundamentally different between what で does and english "and".

go back to the drawing board and stop getting into arguments on djt

[Anonymous No.]

i mean yah theres a difference in function between the *fidgets around awkwardly* continuous form で and the place marker で but u still dont really think about it in the moment its just で dude

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>>20918505
my friend if you think で means "and" here then you're the one who doesn't know japanese

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>>20918519
the way that your brain actually comprehends what the で is doing is pretty important tho dont u think lol. if you're reading every sentence thinking it means something completely different b/c you have a fucked up idea of what で actually does then it's pretty important to understand that unless you want to live in ur nihongo fantasyland where you're just "feeling the nihongo" aka making the whole thing up as you go along based on what "feels right"

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>>20918531
idk i mean i dont think u have to think about the で cuz the で just comes with the thing before it anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918528
it's the connective form of だ "to be", it literally doesn't mean anything other than "and" on a fundamental level.

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>>20918531
you're thinking too hard and it's crippling your intuition because you're forcing yourself to interpret something as doing something that it's not actually doing
you're the one with a fucked up idea of what it does here, man

[Anonymous No.]

imagine never understanding で on anything but the surface level

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918528
What the fuck do you think conjunctions are? Please learn basic grammatical concepts before you try to learn a foreign language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918546
nope it's the infinitive of the archaic copula に/の
>>20918554
i know more about what a conjunction is than you do my friend

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>>20918551
lol wtf are you talking about. there's people in here who literally didn't know what basic sentences like 私は学生で日本語を勉強しています mean

[Anonymous No.]

>で isn't "and"
based on that vocaroo maybe it's an ESL who misunderstands the english "and"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918554
ok this is FOr SUre the most damaging and nOT GONNA FUCKIN maKE it post of all time

put this in all djt ops from now on to show what not to do

btw this is completely independent of anyones japanese ability and im not judging anybody on anything but that post at face value

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918571
not even the same person bro
>>20918567
that sentence reeks of JSL but if you think it's hard to understand then you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918560
no it isnt lol. it's from the connective form of なり (に) plus the helper verb て, archaic にて

literally 1 second in a japanese dictionary will tell u this instead of just some made up bullshit u came up with

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918582
no my friend that's the other conjunctive etymology of で did you not know that there were two

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918571
trust me im not esl i just play one on the internet

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918585
lol you must be retarded. we're literally talking about the conjunctive で

[Anonymous No.]

just the mere mention of "helper verb" is enough to make me depressed

dolly chan.. dostedt

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918599
ok friend here's a hint the copula なり comes from に (a copula) plus あり (not, at the time, a copula)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918606
ok so we're talking about literal OJ now when they still said にあらず and shit as if that makes a difference to the fact that in ModJ で is the connective form of だ

[Anonymous No.]

that's it i'm calling nuke

[Anonymous No.]

>the last 40 posts or so

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918617
well it's wrong sorry language isn't that simple
here have someone who did the research for you
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/19180/are-%e3%81%aa-and-%e3%81%a0-both-copula-verbs/19184#19184

[Anonymous No.]

my stupidity generated dozens of posts of discussion wtf

[Anonymous No.]

△

[Anonymous No.]

>particles
>copulas
>helper verbs
>https://vocaroo.com/i/s0Blmw2q7i6E

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>>20918628
oh ok the 大辞林 is wrong and ur right. should have known i was dealing with the master of japanese here! your post doesn't actually offer any information on this issue besides the actual archaic etymology, and even offers the same definition lol

>For a quick online reference, see 大辞林's entry for だ, which covers its etymology and the use of adnominal な before words like の.

[Anonymous No.]

仕事をつる

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>>20918648
the daijirin definition of だ doesn't contain なり anywhere my friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918665
?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_BB1TNCpHw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918675
oh for some reason we're talking about だ now lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918675
that etymology of で doesn't derive from だ and also it's the conjunctive etymology of で that directly links to auxiliary verbs (which can't be interpreted as "and") not the conjunctive etymology of で that links entire clauses (which can be interpreted as "and" even though it doesn't actually mean "and") and derives directly from the defective archaic に/の copula

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918420
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>mfw subs2srs + morphman + seasons of KLK Gridman + goblin slayer

>mfw the i+1 meme is real and with this so easy

[Anonymous No.]

oh you can use the former etymology to link clauses too i guess but then it acts like だし not like an "and"

[Anonymous No.]

guys

really im sorry i didnt mean for it to be like this

put down ur dictionaries and shake hands

team tomodachi squad yaahhh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYdQGkgrN4#t=68

[Anonymous No.]

let's go back to arguing about handwriting instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918707
you can't learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

fridays fuckin over dude u just missed it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918731

[Anonymous No.]

this guy is so fuckin bad at friday man

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918731
(you)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918741
this is a really good アヘ顔 wheres it from

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918710
It's bad that I'm starting to like these

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918767
ur mom

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918710
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYdQGkgrN4#t=89

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918101
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[Anonymous No.]

>>20918707
I haven't seen anyone mention morphman for android. If I install it for desktop, can I still use it for android or nah? Googling it gave me nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918871
u all got played

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918913
do u realize what uve associated urself with

[Anonymous No.]

really gotta say thats a pretty thorough self own

[Anonymous No.]

My JP friend is interested in using Anki for english learning after I talked about my JP studies. Which deck should I recommend to him? I know I can just alter the core 6k deck to show the english vocab on front but surely there is a better deck for this.

[Anonymous No.]

can ということだ and ということは both be shortened to "てこと"? pls help

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919053
Let him make his own deck, or find a specifically made J-E deck.
NEVER reverse a language resource.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919076
>or find a specifically made J-E deck.
That's what I'm asking about. Which is a good one? Google didn't help a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916807
In my experience, locales are actually easier to manage since you don't need to edit the default encoding (which makes a shitton of programs turn into japanese) to get desired results (display japanese text properly)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919053
Tell him to first do 3 months of remembering the alphabet (RTA) before starting to learn vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917467
because most school systems teach most things badly, due to historical cruft and inability to meaningfully reform approaches without brief teething problem periods which idiots consider unacceptable

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919053
tell him to watch 10000 hours of jp subbed donald duck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4wQcxMbSq8#t=504

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919179
He's already experienced to the point where he can hold a conversation in english. This is just for vocab.

I'm asking specifically for a J > E vocab deck, if those even exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919249
lol i dont usually give these out but this post wins idiot of the week hands down

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919249
If he wants to learn he'll do it on his own without your help. You're trying to do something as a nice gesture but that's all it is. Your time is more valuable than this. You could be shitposting more on djt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919249
tell him to read a fuckin book

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919266
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlKL_EpnSp8#t=9

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919257
>>20919264
>>20919266
You're all useless.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone haven that Image that had the line count and unique kanji for a bunch of vns?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919396
https://web.archive.org/web/20170708071728/https://tlwiki.org/?title=VN/Eroge_Script_sizes
unique kanji is not a reasonable indicator of anything except for differentiating VNs that are both very long and hard from the rest btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916496
you are learning words, not drawings.

[Anonymous No.]

Post good music

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919468
https://n33r.space/files/cggmytpftctj.opus and https://n33r.space/files/vecnlbdnrihk.opus good enough?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919402
Sorry I was just using it to gauge length not necessarily difficulty

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThHOKdsq5ds

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUgpSZ2XYpE

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917467
why does it take years to learn maths?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919468
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-ZVkESecXk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GDrVt3c5S0

[Anonymous No.]

dang everyone posting such awful shit lets me comin with an ez knockout punch

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16204848

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/5PADUS_xtz8

Here's a banger for ya'll

[Anonymous No.]

wheres that linkin park faint guy i havent forgot u i just remembered this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORbAAZaP0ik#t=9

prettyy funny how this isnt illegal lol

[Anonymous No.]

i wonder if any1 ever told mike shinoda a bitch ninja w/ mascara was biting off his style lol also rip chester

[Anonymous No.]

"When I advocated listening & reading as the most powerful ways of learning a language, not speaking or role playing, I was told that I was anti-social. Reading & listening are more meaningful language interactions than pretending you are at the train station." Steve Kaufman.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7c5Xy3GZCac#t=535

-steve kufman

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919707
See >>20907785

[Anonymous No.]

おやすみ。そして自殺してね、ジャマルくん

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919735
when your brain is so large you accidentally speak korean

[Anonymous No.]

アイシテルよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919756
it just proves he doesnt really have anything reigned in hes chased everything and attained nothing

give lingo steve a hentai game and watch what happens

[Anonymous No.]

oops reined in* eigo is tough

[Anonymous No.]

u were write the first thyme

[Anonymous No.]

Are these really all particles used in nihongo?
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%8A%A9%E8%A9%9E

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919763
>watch what happens
i'd rather not

[Anonymous No.]

anyone knows any manga with lot of keigo in it? my relation with keigo is very "know and forget" because all i read is weeb shit with almost no keigo in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919874
trust me its fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919879
literally anything set in formal settings that are semi serious ?

u dont even have to go that far just literally anything that tries to be humanly realistic

[Anonymous No.]

what does よっか　at the end of 食べよっか　mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919894
食べようか

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919894
they were just too lazy to draw the line above the っ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919905

oh i thought so

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919894
>another pool soul memed into reading yotsucrap's constant casual speech and slang
食べようか?

[Anonymous No.]

yokattara isshoni
fakku shiyou

[Anonymous No.]

>と
>作用の結果
>作家となる。
Wait wtf shouldn't に be used here..?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919921
jyaa watashi ha anata o fuckshimasu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919931
no ?

[Anonymous No.]

ワイは弱いと違う、ワイは強すぎるんじゃ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919894
I have no idea how you can read manga so much jay peg

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919988
im gonna beat ur ass

[Anonymous No.]

morphman fuckin sucks. it thinks shit like でけー is a conjugation of でく

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920002
yeah i don't really know how that shit is supposed to work when it gives you a ton of junk you'd have to filter through manually

[Anonymous No.]

btfo morphtards

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck morphman

[Anonymous No.]

dont link it plz dont link it

[Anonymous No.]

never go full morphmeme

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920019

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920006
it also considers potential forms of each verb to be different lol, so dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919920
what he asked for is pretty common though lol
I still agree yotsuba for beginners is a meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920076
give a better manga for beginners then.

[Anonymous No.]

thing is yotuba is really not a meme or bad for beginners to reading

but if u havent watched ur 10000 hours of eng subbed anime u are just fucked and rightly so

[Anonymous No.]

あんき？MORELIKEうんこ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920092
almost anything on sadpanda

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920092
if u scrubs pushed a manga like naurto imagine how much more epic itd be to see every1 constantly ask what dattebayo means LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920099
this
>>20920092
or anything else really. yotsuba being easy is a cruel meme.
https://lhscan.net/manga-parallel-paradise-raw.html
https://lhscan.net/manga-skeeter-rabbit-raw.html
>>20920100
LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919913
違う
発音がわざと「っか」にされたよ
「食べようか」とちょっと違う感じがする

例えば「うるさい」と「うっせー」
「ちょっと」と「ちょいっと」
とか、、

[Anonymous No.]

あーそっか

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919894
tapioca

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920178
*smacks big red button on desk opening a trap door beneath ur feet and plummeting u directly to hell*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920182
I thought the red button made me learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

i'm enjoying the heck out of 三つ星カラーズ。日本語字幕で結構簡単だよ。それに可愛くて馬鹿馬鹿しい

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920189
no one but u makes u learn japanese that button is in ur 心 and u have to press it

[Anonymous No.]

黙らせとけよ
what does adding とけよ to stem means?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920261
とく is a shortened version of ておく, in this case it's the imperative form ておけ

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine actually thinking Yotsuba is hard. Yikes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917677
>noun
>the quality or state of being literate, especially the ability to read and write.
The only one retarded is you. You seem to be really upset over your illiteracy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919894
It's funny to look at this now and remember how I also got thrown off by every little thing in the beginning.

This is the true difference between textbook language and actually using it. You need to figure out how to deal with inconsistencies.

[Anonymous No.]

yotuba is hard if u dont know literally any japanese and have next to no familiarity with anything

theres a ideal point in every nihongoers career to read it but at the start isnt it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917587
Why do retards and beginners like you keep trying to write posts on things they don't understand? RTK doesn't teach recognition, it teaches production, so it gives you a skill that it is impossible to pick up from reading. And it is going to take years to reach a high level of proficiency, so 3 months at the beginning is a relatively small amount of time for something that will improve your Japanese and make the entire journey more efficient.

[Anonymous No.]

youtuber is pretty easy even for dekimasen like uchi
i can even mioboe some wrecked kanji like ore or teika

[Anonymous No.]

This is my first unsubbed anime.
It's an absolute joy to watch, even though I get only like 60-70% of the Japanese.
I wonder, is this an actual thing? Does a show become exponentially more enjoyable without subs after you learn nihonese?

[Anonymous No.]

i just took half a tab of LSD
i wonder if i will still be able to do 100+ anki reviews today and remember them heh

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920372
fail...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920364
Everything is hard if you don't know any Japanese. Yotsuba is easy as fuck even as a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920374
no1 gives a fuq m*tt

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920377
Comedy shows are just infinitely funnier if you actually get the Japanese. In fact they are completely unwatchable translated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918707
Who are you quoting?
>>>/a/
>>>/v/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920368
1. i'm not a beginner, but its ok, i know you just said that cause you're upset
2. people can have different opinions on RTK. its okay. 深呼吸

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920378
よつばとの「難しい」っていうところは、くっついてるスラングみたいな言葉かな？初心者だと分かりづらいってのは分かってる。

[Anonymous No.]

The only way to learn Japanese is transcribing anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920364
>full of slang
>full of regional dialects
>written mainly in hiragana
>easy

[Anonymous No.]

That's nice and all, but manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920388
>i'm not a beginner
Yes you are, and you gave it away by suggesting that RTK has "many kanji that only show up in hard stuff". Virtually everything in RTK is common.

[Anonymous No.]

if you are a beginner, do yourself a favor and get a kids video game. I have been playing some old pokemon games. easy 100% comprehension and I'm not even N3 yet.

[Anonymous No.]

manga includes text sometimes
and you read text
so you reading manga

[Anonymous No.]

if you are a beginner, do yourself a favor and get a kids video game. I have been playing クロスチャンネル. easy 100% comprehension and I'm not even N3 yet.

[Anonymous No.]

Setting the bar real low there, bucko. Now I'm going to go outside and read some advertisements.

[Anonymous No.]

just read doujins or eroge
look at how easy this is

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920442
I wholeheartedly agree.
However I recommend something with furigana instead of all hiragana

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920422
“hard” relative to a beginner in japanese who’s just finished RTK and knows no grammar or vocabulary yet. not relative to my current level? work on your reading comprehension lol

for your first year of reading beginner material with grammar a beginner would understand, you will not encounter all 2,000常用 kanji in a context that’s digestible at your level, that’s pretty much guaranteed. and that’s exactly why another RTKer earlier was saying you’d have to keep drilling RTK indefinitely after those 3 months. if you were encountering and successfully reading native materials that used all those kanji, you wouldn’t have to keep drilling them inorganically with RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920450
How am I supposed to learn Japanese when my dick is distracting me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920467
only reward it by reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920379
i’m not matt lol 女だよ。見てごらん、その証拠

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920467
Edge until the last page of course. How would anyone read eroge if you shoot your load within a minute?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920467
Read something that won't distract you, like roricom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920450
you’re absolutely right
doujins are fantastic for easy reading practice as long as they’re in everyday settings, some of the fantasy themed ones can have quite a bit of advanced vocab and grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920450
＞i'm sorry to say, but you failed the exam
>so, for the next test
>come to my place after school for some private lessons
>(sfx) uwaa she is too close
>let's work hard together
>苦手を？？しましょう
I assume work on/take care of so
>let take care of your weak points.
>(sfx) her breasts are huge! i don't know where to look
>(sfx) also she smells really nice
i'm a n4 denkinai btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920486
dudes own toys also dont think they dont but dont worry わたしは also 女性 lol

[Anonymous No.]

電気無い

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920512
it's a clit massager bro
but still it's obviously a discord tranny

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920516
im gonna tell u right now theres a nonzero amount of dudes thatll just stick that whole thing up their ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920467
Your dick is your greatest ally when reading even the simplest text in incredibly painful and tiring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920476
this works. and boy is that nut rewarding. i usually only last till about 2/3 through but by that point i’m invested enough to finish reading anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920466
You just gave it away again. You're definitely a beginner at Japanese, even worse than I originally thought. Even enough exposure to Japanese to build a meager deck of 2000~3000 words/sentences (about 6 months time), you will already pretty much have seen every kanji in RTK. Meaning chances are high that your vocabulary is even lower than that.
>if you were encountering and successfully reading native materials that used all those kanji, you wouldn’t have to keep drilling them inorganically with RTK.
RTK isn't inorganic (it's raw production), and you can't drill RTK by reading. Not only are you new to Japanese, but you're actually retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

honestly u should just nut first and if u immediately think about if u really enjoy things from japan more than anything else in ur post nut euphoria

if u dont feel that u love japanese shit more than anything u cant learn japanese final

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920548
i thought you quit this thread already?

[Anonymous No.]

i always knew jamal was a woman, no man could have a voice like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920516
lol i’m the girl who shared my handwriting in pink earlier, talking about how i like my clit sucked.

BUT you don’t have to believe me if you don’t want to. i’m already bored of trying to prove myself to strangers whew not doing that ever again (sike prolly will)

[Anonymous No.]

fuck off tranny

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920570
no1 gives a fuq anyway lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920548
RTKers really are delusional... this post screams desperation, get well soon

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920595
僕も。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920595
stop postin pics of my gf w/out permission please

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920589
you did (‘: that’s why you felt the urge to accuse me of being a tranny lol

if you didn’t give a fuck you would have just ignored. men are so easy to read

[Anonymous No.]

shes my gf now and shes also me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920604
not even the same person so obv were not that easy to read u dumb bint

[Anonymous No.]

男性は馬鹿だなぁ
大変そう

[Anonymous No.]

todays nihongo of the day

男はわかりやすい

LOL

[Anonymous No.]

Hi djt I'm a girl and need help. What does 私はホウモウ mean?

[Anonymous No.]

it means post ta tas or gtfo baby

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920610
you’re still not ignoring lol, definitely reading you as giving a fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920629
? i dont give a fuck about the fact ur a woman that doesnt mean i dont give a fuck about ur retard posts lol. i definitely do care that ur posting retarded shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920604
are you into fat old men?

[Anonymous No.]

easily triggered men are sad beings. matt was right, y’all need that meditation book

[Anonymous No.]

むね
か
アウト
どっち決めた？

[Anonymous No.]

why does this overly defensive and flat out wrong RTK defender show up in this thread every other week

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920637
only in エロ漫画
not in real life

[Anonymous No.]

orechinpo ga katai

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920637
こんなの大好き

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920635
man u r gettin worked son

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920649
Maybe you are the one who is wrong. Ever considered that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920635
still triggered i see
try reading up on meditation it will help your problems

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920658
nice quality

[Anonymous No.]

>after all this hard work i must be 3/4 of the way through this VN
>actually just shy of halfway through

FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

>girl weebs

[Anonymous No.]

i dont see the problem if anything thats win as hell ?

[Anonymous No.]

btw i menat this >>20920677 at this >>20920672

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920677
>>20920681
if i enjoyed the VN it'd be win

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920688
oof not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920593
If you project any harder you might hurt yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920690
*even if you get good at japanese you won't have made it because making it means doing what you love

in that sense i would agree with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920695
how many times do your empty theories and appeals to authority have to get BTFO before you just stay down dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920681
we already know you love the black weebs so that goes without saying

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920688
Why are you playing something you don't enjoy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920704
to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920695
whatever you say dude. take a deep breath and do some meditation, wisdom will come

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920709
But why not play something you enjoy so you get to learn while enjoying yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920713
i don't know what i'd enjoy and when i ask for recs i don't get them, or i get recommended eroge which i know i wouldn't enjoy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920701
>>20920711
The only one BTFO is yourself which is why you don't have a rebuttal. You're also apparently humiliated in that your abundantly obvious baby-level Japanese got exposed. Give it a rest. It's over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920703
i mean look i dont care about sasukena but i dont think thats nearly as win as reading a hentai game and realizing u still have way more left to enjoy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920722
You dont have to finish something just because you started it. If you don't like it just drop it my man.

[Anonymous No.]

oh no calvin no!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920722
Still haven't played ヨスガノソラ I see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920723
ive singlehandedly whooped your ass on the rtk question like twice now and i'm not about to do it a 3rd time since you always appeal to empty theories or authority

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920723
I agree, you definitely blew her the fuck out!

[Anonymous No.]

今日の仕事はとても簡単だったよ。最後の三時間ぐらいは絶対暇だったから、僕の教科書を出して、勉強したんだよ。いい日だった！

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920744
urusai motherfucker!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920736
You're a retard who continually confuses production with recognition, and had no rebuttal to any point made. If you spent half as much time learning Japanese as you do being wrong on the internet, you wouldn't be so bad at the language that you think basic 常用漢字 are rare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920744
>教科書
I was following this post until this word which I didn't know. I'll never learn this language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920755
toradora vocaroo now

[Anonymous No.]

so anyway let’s talk about エロ漫画
pro tip: replace the name of the character with your name... increased horniness is guaranteed

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920763
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XiDGLYtzE6

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920744
ありがとう、げんき™

>>20920758
I didn't know the kanji desu, but I figured I'd write it there anyway.
I only know the word itself 'cause of genki

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920755
>confuses production with recognition
i'm not that other guy. i'm the one who slapped you around a few threads ago. i understand you're fickle about doing RTK "the right way" with the english keyword on the front so that you can learn to write, AKA "as recommended by heisig". but who cares what heisig recommends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920765
personally i dont even need ero games or manga i just look at this post and jack off >>20918871

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920744
Your nihongo level goes low if you read this btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920774
I copied that from a japanese website. Stop pretending you know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

boys ur gettin outta line again gonna need u to make with the ii kagen lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920740
LOL nice work replying to yourself for fake backup

[Anonymous No.]

まさか...
だめですよ!
そおうなの ... だめ! ぜったい！

[Anonymous No.]

i'll go do my anki reps now see you in 2 hours

[Anonymous No.]

boku no kawaii kanojo(otoko no ko) ga chicchai no chinpo wo motteruyo~

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920723
anyway the other guy is right, you’re annoying lol

you keep trying to attack my japanese ability when i’ve repeatedly told you that i was talking about people in their first year of japanese after just finishing RTK and just starting grammar... *i personally* have already encountered all the 常用 kanji but that was not within my first year of japanese study. and some i still see more rarely than others, which makes complete sense even for natives.

you’re just saying whatever to make RTK sound like the best thing ever. it really isn’t. 可哀想

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920804
いいんじゃない。お尻の童貞さは、たかが心理的なものだろ。お前には処女膜がないよ。

[Anonymous No.]

ok u guys dont seem to understand so were gonna settle this once and for all

https://www.strawpoll.me/17528146

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920722
Here are some recs for you, my friend.
月姫
Fate/stay night
信天翁航海録
紅殻町博物誌
霞外籠逗留記
花散峪山人考

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918871
usually I only browse /int/ but occasionally I drop by to see what you retards are up to

lol

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.strawpoll.me/17528187

[Anonymous No.]

童貞だから死にたい

[Anonymous No.]

voted yes but only because ive read hanahiraっ

[Anonymous No.]

i considered doing the same but as poll creator i have no right to do so

[Anonymous No.]

if ive never played dies irae then how do i know how hard it is in order to compare

[Anonymous No.]

あのペンは俺です。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920890
it's about twice as hard as sonohana
so if you can read two episodes of sonohana you're ready

[Anonymous No.]

using fate stay night as a ruler of similar measure is also acceptable

[Anonymous No.]

俺わ日本
よろしく

[Anonymous No.]

我が名（わしのみょう）は日本（ひのもと）

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920898
But F/SN is easy.

[Anonymous No.]

so is dies irae

[Anonymous No.]

question to some of u more seasoned erogamers

are there any galge (i dont want nasty nuki or dark nukige) where u eat ass ?

thx in advance

[Anonymous No.]

私の名前は一十一　（にのまえ　じゅういち)

[Anonymous No.]

busy day at the japanese factory today

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, I think it's time to admit that Japanese is over.

Carbin's dead
Dolly is just recycling ancient moldy garbage from her blog
Jalup just plops out a pointless article now and then to keep people coming to his store
The koohii forum is shutting down
Even m*tt has gotten tired of making up new shit and is just droning on about other people's shit

Soon it'll just be djt, the last fading ember of western Japanese study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920940
f*ck picked the wrong one

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920942
~the pain of death is also the joy of rebirth~ lmao

[Anonymous No.]

everyone just wants to be seen and loved for who they are, even if that isn't perfect

its sad that we try to cover that up by hurling insults at eachother. can't we see that's just a pathetic attempt to run away from what we feel about ourselves inside?

[Anonymous No.]

fuck off lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920942
these are all good things except for karubin

[Anonymous No.]

i personally dont deal with any of that i just come here and have fun im not really an insult hurler when it comes to fellow posters

[Anonymous No.]

from the ashes of DJT nukemarine will rise

[Anonymous No.]

Are VNs the only good games to practice reading?
In RPGs once I get to The Grind(tm) I stop bothering to read words, and the vocab isn't exactly useful

[Anonymous No.]

i eagerly await the day when i can post this image at nuke chan cuz he broke 300 on the jcat

[Anonymous No.]

黒奴と友達、気持ち悪い

[Anonymous No.]

i might break 300 years old first tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920851
I hate u jamal but only in the sense that you're a heel and hating on the heel is how you show you like them

[Anonymous No.]

should i accept?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920996
only if the faculty has translated a total of at least 10K hours of eroge VNs

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920996
if you don't have anything better to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918735
its huraidei whenever i be feelin like huraidei https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6NLFkGdIww
live ur life better

[Anonymous No.]

if every days friday then friday loses its significance dude

its because theres 6 other days that arent friday that friday is special

[Anonymous No.]

毎日は一番楽しい日

[Anonymous No.]

>>20921061
friday gained its significance when you were in school and only kept it if you worked monday through friday
its significance can be shifted to any day thats friday worthy

[Anonymous No.]

every day is special in its own way its not that u discard all days other than friday to make friday significant its that each day has its own flavour in our 七色 lives

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920769
>>20920827
Stop pretending to be two different people. It's embarrassing and isn't going to lesson the shock of getting BTFO. I wasn't here a few threads ago. Not only did you get thoroughly destroyed here today, but apparently you lose arguments so often that it's all starting to blur together for you.
> *i personally* have already encountered...
Excuses. If you think a large portion of the 常用漢字 are so "rare" that it will take someone a long time to encounter them then you're retarded and have little exposure to Japanese. As I said before, you're definitely a beginner at Japanese, even worse than I originally thought. Even enough exposure to Japanese to build a meager deck of 2000~3000 words/sentences (about 6 months time), you will already pretty much have seen every kanji in RTK. Meaning chances are high that your vocabulary is even lower than that.
>you’re just saying whatever to make RTK sound like the best thing ever.
No I'm not. I just don't argue with results.
>可哀想
Yes, you are. Keep digging your hole.

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>>20921149
tl;dr. you have to make up shit about the people you respond to every time as well. why are you like this? just take what people say at face value. i take what you say at face value and shit all over it.

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>>20920802
LOL nice work replying to yourself for fake backup

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well the results are in boys idk what yall are fighting about the majority clearly know japanese and hate me so theres no reason to fight amongst urselves any longer

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>>20921158
I've made multiple direct points that you refuse to address (like your conflation of recognition and production), because you can't. And you can't because you simply don't know what you're talking about. You being shit at Japanese is just a bonus, though I do think you're pretty salty that you got exposed there. Again, if you spent half as much time learning Japanese as you do being wrong on the internet, you wouldn't be so bad at the language that you think basic 常用漢字 are rare. Instead of being salty about getting BTFO, try to learn something from this.

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imagine thinking ur owning somebody really hard by using blunt language and capital letters and periods lmao

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>>20921178
>like your conflation of recognition and production
i don't conflate them and i don't understand why you're saying i do. i recognize that you want to put the english keyword on the front of the card if you want to learn to write the kanji using RTK.

it's weird. you get countered but then you pretend nothing happened, and you tend to post the same things. you're like a robot.

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pretty sure thats anime flashtard guy btw

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>>20921146
i get what ur sayin but when friday dont feel like friday and another day does is that so wrong
>>20921194
you mean to say he was lying when he wrote his farewell en nihongo

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commit to no more hiding from yourself
be willing to say “this hurts” rather than jumping into reactivity
be willing to be vulnerable and sit with your vulnerability
be open to offering kindness and generosity to your own aching heart

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>>20920983
getting 300 on the jcat is like getting first place in a special olympics marathon.

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>>20921239
impressive then

[Anonymous No.]

god I want to give up so much... but I can't bring myself to do it... sunk cost fallacy.. i do this with every thing I get into.

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>>20921252
you can do anything you want to do
the chains tying you to one obligation or another are mental illusions

if nihongo isn’t fun for you anymore you’re welcome to quit

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>>20921252
dont do what you dont want to do but if you quit everything you should stop that
figure out something else to put the time into

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>>20921263
>>20921280
but then I will having nothing to do.. and then I'll pick up something else, put time into it for a bit and then feel all sad and repeat :(

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>>20921304
learning a little about a lot of things is not a bad way to live. you dont have to become an expert in any one thing if your passion is to sample a large variety of what life has to offer.

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~variety is the spice of life~

watch 10000 hours of eng subbed anime of many a genre

[Anonymous No.]

how is learning japanese hard? just learn bro hahaha

try learning how to code you pussy

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>>20921304
it's because don't have any greater motivation or goal to work towards

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>>20921367
i already know how to program, but I plateaued in that too

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i cant do computer codes thats the literal bottle neck in my definitive nihongo guide website

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>>20921375
yeah tell me about it... :(

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>>20921421
well find one

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>>20921428
easier said than done though..

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>>20921396
dont lie jamal you just get sick pleasure out of teasing us

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>>20921441
this one made me stop and think like maybe im just a horrible monster

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>>20921447
its ok if u accept what u are

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わたしは・・何者なのだ

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>>20921435
where do you see yourself in 5 years if you retain the status quo
where would you like to be in 5 years
what do you have to do to get there
these are the questions you might want to ask yourself

[Anonymous No.]

time for djts quarterlife crisis arc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbgHGzB7E0Y

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>>20921447
fwiw youre the only 4chan "personality" that i wouldnt spit on i'll like you til this threads finally gone for good

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>>20921190
Your posts are still visible, anon. You did conflate them, because you didn't even know what either of them meant until you looked it up.

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>>20921482
oh it's just that robotic thing you do where you make shit up about the people you're responding to. carry on then

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>>20921488
Emphasis on:
>Your posts are still visible, anon.
You won't learn from your embarrassing beginner mistakes if you always psychologically avoid acknowledging them.

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>>20921496
Exactly right. You tell her, Anon!

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>>20921476
dang heres a special banger for u from my special banger vault

https://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/nm5808211

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiWgCa0E8bo
Here's some content with natives being casual and awkward as usual.

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>>20921390
>plateaued
you mean didn't have constant easily noticeable gains so you gave up, plateauing is a myth

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>>20921707

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>>20921738
Say what you want to about Nuke-chan but at least he's very open about his skill level and doesn't try to pretend he's ichiban tsuyoi

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>>20921738
He never plateaued? He never really started. He made more progress in the last 6 months than he did in the last 6 years.

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>>20921738
E-celeb shitposting should be a permanently bannable offense. This thread is for discussing Japanese, not gossiping about random boring people.

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>>20921757
only looks that way cause the guy you're replying to posted the fake one

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If anything I think plateauing is how you start off and as you get better it snowballs into much easier and pleasant acquisition.

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kimi no chinpo wo tabetai

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gonna run this foot across the plateau and up your ass

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>mentalese dou

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>>20921738
please faceapp this and make him smile thanks

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I mean your brain doesn't ever stop learning.. dafuq you mean plateau

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How ineffective is trying to read a LN using only online dictionaries and kana knowledge?

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>>20921895
very

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>>20921895
Do you at least know grammar up to intermediate level?
Also, I hope it's a text file that you can mouseover, as manual lookups from a scan will be hell if you don't know a single kanji.

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>>20921895
you'll die instantly
at least read a fuckin grammar guide first

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>>20921895
i tried jumping into a VN without having read past the very first few basic tae kim articles and barely knowing any words several months ago. it was hell. so read tae kim first.

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>>20921901
>>20921905
>>20921921
I'll follow your advice and read Tae Kim.

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i dont need tae kim nor aniki since i watched 100千万 hours of animation and japanese pop music

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imagine thinking reading a lil taytay is gonna help u read an erogaygay

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>>20921945
Don't forget that TK is rather concise and more of a reference than a language course. You probably won't remember a lot of you just read it once.
You might want to practice verb and adjective conjugation a bit so you don't mix them up too much.

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>>20921945
keep in mind you'll forget most of it and you'll have to keep rereading it while reading japanese in order for it to sink in

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>>20922000
everyone has got to start somewhere

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Why are people still recommending Tae Kim? Japanese the Manga Way is better in basically every way.

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>>20922016
>>20922017
I guess this is true of anything that requires effort to learn but it's interesting how demotivated I was when I first started learning because I wondered how in the hell I could possibly remember all of that. But it's been 5 months and now I think I know pretty much everything Tae Kim covers. Although another read wouldn't hurt.

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why didnt they use yotuba for that book

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>>20922033
I absolutely cannot stand learning by looking at scans because it makes it harder to look stuff up. Maybe if JTMW was ported to html like much of DoJG has been I would have been interested in it.

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>>20922033
people who wanna jump right into reading an LN after learning basic kana and 0 grammar aren't gonna have the attention span to download a psd much less read an actual book

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imagine having that kind of stance as to why they cant use a beginner fuckin japanese book lmfao

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>>20922049
? who are you responding to

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do u think it was me responding to u in 15 seconds

use ur brain mate

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i kind of feel like i want to dump manga itt and force you all to read something

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>>20922048
>much less read an actual book
Japanese the Manga Way is roughly equivalent in length to Tae Kim but has actually decent explanations of grammar concepts that aren't written by an incompetent kimchi.

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>>20922057
oh the guy right above you. i wondered since your response was so fast. but that's the only post that your post would make sense as a response to. nimble fingers bro

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why dump manga just take a actual dump into the thread

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>>20922080
everybody always does that and that's getting dull

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>>20922069
>but has actually decent explanations of grammar concepts
do you have some examples?

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>>20922084
take a bigger fatter juicier shit than anyone else

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>>20922091
Sure just go compare its grammar explanations to literally any explanation of the same concept in Tae Kim. Tae Kim is fucking garbage and the only reason it ever picked up steam was it being easily available for free online.

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i'm too lazy so i was hoping you'd explain since you have strong opinions but never mind then. people will continue using tae kim.

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>>20922096
that'd just be me dumping manga! u see where i'm goin with this

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>>20922091
literally open to any random page of it theres ur example

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I liked that one with the concentric spheres of relative psychological distance

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>>20922108
i even downloaded it a long time ago but i don't feel like it

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>>20922113
i thought that was from genki

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wh8_Of9gCGA

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>not shilling the only good book for grammar

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>>20922147
we're talking about guides

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>>20922117
thats cool

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>>20922162
no it's not it's just a boring fact you piece of shit...

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>>20922153
Only difference between tae kim and dojg is that dojg is organized. I did tae and it wasn't bad but not that good either. It's a great start I guess. After tae I got my hands on a real copy of dojg and the stuff stuck way better, it was more thorough, had better example sentences etc. There is a copy in the guide too.

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>>20922169
Using DOJG as your introductory guide to the language is honestly absurd. The standard use case for DOJG is completely different to Tae Kim/JTMW/etc. Which is also a big reason that the complaint in >>20922046 is dumb, because who the fuck is using Tae Kim to look something up instead of DOJG. I can understand maybe using your introductory guide as a reference if the DOJG entry is hard for you to understand, but generally speaking DOJG gives pretty good explanations to use as reference and I have no idea why you wouldn't move on to that once you finish your introductory guide.

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>grammar guide talk
the only guide worth reading is a short one with "good enough" explanations to get you started i'm talking OF COURSE about sakubi
wonder if that guy still posts here but with the way this thread's become maybe not, his loss i guess

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>>20922169
the difference is that dojg lists grammar points in "alphabetical" order and tae kim is a structured guide that starts with easy concepts on which it builts in subsequent lessons
the discussion is about which grammar guide to recommend for beginngers and telling a beginner to just jump into dojg is idiotic

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>>20922190
sakumeme.jpg
I can't find the actual image so you guys are just going to have to pretend I actually posted it.

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>>20922193
>>20922189
I just would waste too much time in tae kim. It's quiet a big book and bloated with english. Should probably just use the anki deck of sentences and skim the book. I read dojg front to back in about a week and it was a pretty easy read.

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oh it was bait

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I just don't get the sense of reading books 90% in english when trying to learn japanese. Dojg is like 50% and even abbreviates the english. S.o = someone S.t = something

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>>20922200
do you mean the one made by int's resident nutcase that includes obvious trolling as "shilling" lmao

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>>20922193
I put the DoJG entries in Tae Kim order. I'll post a link. Still not a good idea to study it as a whole though. The JLPT Tango N5 and N4 example sentences do the job quite well without actually teaching grammar directly.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1FvnKFR-IXcZGp4ktfX0ABRL4rswB6tso/view?usp=sharing

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ps the new hotness is https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/dark.html

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based

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>>20922236
rotfl thanks anon

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>mfw nuke shows up ITT and posts google drives/docs

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i'm going to sleep. see you guys tomorrow

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>>20922260
nuke looking like hes about to cave some redditors ass in on the koohii forums

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>>20922260
the thumbnail makes him look like he has some insane hair
that having been said how does this literal middle aged boomer have better hair than 100% of the ajatt squad

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One piece is nothing but big titties and ass these days.

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I need something interesting to read.

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>>20922308
つまり、お勧めですか?

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>>20922308
Sounds to me like you're saying Oda is a man of culture.

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>>20922314
もちろん

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>>20922308
>>20922314
ワンピースよりナルト

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>>20921771
>e-celeb
Nuke and Matt can be seen as ways of "how to learn Japanese".

Matt's way is the Mia way. He thinks that you can learn the language without using textbooks.

Nuke's way is the plateau way. He things that you should spend your whole life learning for the JLPT3 test.

Both ways are an interesting opposition to the textbook way. And even though Nuke uses textbooks, he only uses beginner JLPT textbooks and not "normal" textbooks.

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>>20922354
ワンピースのほうがいい
デカパイを見てほうが

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>>20922368
Nuke is the "change your methodology and start from scratch every 2 months" way.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to shave your pubes regularly for maximum Japanese learning efficiency.

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>>20922383
full body wax is optimal

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>>20922368
Nobody cares about how your favorite eceleb is learning Japanese

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>>20922388
You really only need to shave areas semen is likely to come into contact with when you cum to your Japanese-language erotic content for maximum cleanup efficiency, allowing yourself to get right back into consuming compelling content as fast as possible.

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>>20922405
i see your angle but youre forgetting how important it is to self insert as the girl getting rammed for maximum gains

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so if i have the kana
do i just jump into RTK? or do i learn some kanji then get into grammar?

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>>20922506
If you have high patience and tolerance for awful, monotonous grind for a few months, then do RTK. Otherwise, learn some grammar, it's more fun.

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redpill me on nukes current progress. Is he actually gonna make it?

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>>20922560
>nuke
>progress

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>>20922560
he was showing signs of making it until he picked rtk back up

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>>20922590
What a shame. Imagine all the compelling content he could be consuming instead. Back to watching anime for me.

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>>20922368
They're people. If you want to discuss methods, discuss methods. Stop bringing up names and posting pictures, it's 90% gossip and 10% Japanese. You faggots are retarded.

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>>20922624
It's the AGATT method of learning Japanese.

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>>20922506
Do RTK first for maximum efficiency. If you can't wait you can stop early to study grammar, or read about it simultaneously.

[Anonymous No.]

rtk not worth it
anime instead

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>>20922657
gotta let em make their mistakes and find their own path

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>>20922657
RTK is definitely worth it unless you like illiteracy.

[Anonymous No.]

japanese music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjaxYB_INk4

[Anonymous No.]

Imagine wasting your time on RTK instead of using kanji learning resources aimed at native speakers.

[Anonymous No.]

How am I supposed to remember those horrendous drawings without mnemonic lessons? I'm not an asian genius.