Mahjong Thread

[Anonymous No.]

>Wanna learn how to play?
Rules: http://mahjong-europe.org/portal/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30&Itemid=166
Play against bots: https://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong_e.html
(alternative HTML5 version in Japanese: https://www.gamedesign.jp/flash/mahjong/mahjong.html))
>Wanna play against other people?
On Tenhou: http://tenhou.net/0/
Private lobby with English people: http://tenhou.net/0/?L7447
>Wanna read more about mahjong?
Strategy book for beginner to intermediate players: https://riichi.dynaman.net/
Strategy articles: https://osamuko.com/
Pastebin with the rest of the information:
https://pastebin.com/rLTVrQC7 (embed)
>Wanna watch pro mahjong?
https://abema.tv/now-on-air/mahjong

February is almost over, how has your month been?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20899683
Who here ready to take the MCR pill and stop playing riichi altogether?

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>>20899853
why would you do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>20900105
So that I can call tiles without consequence, obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20899853
Once I'm 50 and don't give a shit anymore - maybe. My problem is I think their yaku names sound repulsive.

[Anonymous No.]

not quite good enough at avoiding last yet

I'll post one of my mistakes in a second

[Anonymous No.]

I wasn't really sure what to do here. I went riichi 5s, but I knew that this was a quite weak wait in terms of tile number (5 discarded -> 3 tiles left). On the other hand, with 3s pon, 1s was going to come out pretty much guaranteed if someone got it, and 4s might also seem a bit safer with 3s being ponned. On the other hand, by riichiing, I immediately fall a placement if someone else gets out before me.

There was a chance of getting over 30k with ippatsu or ura, but I probably should have valued the 1000 points of the riichi stick more than that slim chance. Especially coupled with the fact that those 1000 points are helping whoever else might agari first reach 30k.

Of course, this is 結果論 and you can argue either ways, but this decision led to a very gay last place, and it makes me sad.

So IMO, on tenhou, dama 5s seems like the best choice. Betaori is also an option. If I had my kagaku suru mahjong book with me I'd calculate the worth of pushing my hand, but from a glance, I think discarding 5s dama is a good balanced choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20900591
I think the two pons by kamicha would be enough to discourage me from pushing that hand. No dora has been discarded yet either so there's a good chance that he has at least one.

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>>20899853
>>20900105
>>20900177
What are the major differences? I'm too lazy to read an entire rules doc

[Anonymous No.]

>>20901970
It's dumb. Don't bother with it.

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>>20902181
>t. person who can't into knitted straights and shifted chows
>>20901970
Rules-wise it's nearly identical to standard Chinese/Hong Kong rules. Basically it's Riichi without the riichi, the closed hand restrictions, the dora, the furiten, the tenpai payments, the kan restrictions, the dead wall, and the abortive draws. It's basically the wild west in terms of gameplay. Anything goes really. What makes it unique and somewhat fun is that it features a whopping 81 scoring elements vs. Riichi's 40 or so. I would say Riichi is the more fun game of the two, but MCR can be fun in its own way and probably the only real way to have some actual enjoyment when playing the Chinese version of the game.
I wish someone would make a variant that combined all of the rules of Riichi with the scoring elements of MCR, but I'm not sure if the plebs would be ready for such a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe I'm just jaded, but I'm really sick of all the newfriends spilling out all over jaypee. The eroge thread, and this one, have been destroyed by people who think a thread's dying if it doesn't get bumped every hour. Not to mention the flood of internet PHD experts on these topics
My love of Mahjong and eroge is still strong but I've mostly migrated to the Japanese community because of this. On a side note I still don't get why EoP feel the need to flood the untranslated eroge thread when there is one for translated games as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20903759
>but I’ve mostly migrated to the Japanese community because of this
Good. I was almost losing hope in you leaving, but I’m glad to see you’re finally moving on.

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>>20903759
Honestly the people crying about EOPs far outweighs the EOPs actually posting in the thread. For every EOP post they get 10 replies. No wonder why they shitpost. I remember way back when when we used to let shitposts die in obscurity instead of giving them reasons to keep doing it

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>>20903759
There are something like 10 posts a day maybe in this thread. Where do you see these frantic thread-bumpers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20899683
My internet is trash, disconnecting every other game, so I don't play seriously anymore. Too bad I was climbing somewhat steadily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20900591
If you wanna absolutely avoid 4th, dama is best, because if last place wins double West, 1 dora, it's enough for him to get 2nd so you'd get 4th with the 1k lost from riichi.
You could also want to fight for first place since you're not far behind, riichi tsumo 1 ura or riichi 1 ura ron on east is enough. The problem is that you'll probably just get temporary first place, you can't get over 30k easily.
I think either way is fine but I prefer riichi myself though I'm probably not good enough for playing out these situations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20905271
just play at the arcade dude

[Anonymous No.]

>444

[Anonymous No.]

Bullying time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20907624
You call that bullying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20907768
Dama is vicious. So is the dumbass tanyao dora 3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20907798
MOAR

[Anonymous No.]

Getting hit with a suuankou riichi tsumo on your dealer turn sucks. Luckily I was still second after that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20908429
does self-bulling count?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20908468
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>20907798
dude was fucking ryanshanten kokushi in the first line
why did you have to crush his dreams
F

[Anonymous No.]

>>20908742
His fault for not being fast enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>20908429
Dama menhon is the worst kind of bullying there is because the opponent can actually prevent it and feels dumb when it hits them

[Anonymous No.]

Why does absolutely every game and client have green ink on the tiles but every irl japanese set is just black and red ink?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20909540
I've seen sets with green ink, but it kinda doesn't matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>20909691
I think it looks nicer, but I couldn't find any
I went with an amos gabin

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any decent English netplay clients? It doesn't matter to me if it's within another game or anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>20910226
FFXIV is the only one I know about that is native, but Tenhou has an English plugin that makes the game extremely English friendly.

[Anonymous No.]

if any of u lads want we're doing a stream for most of the night and playing in the anime mahjong server known as majsoul
pls join us and contribute to the absolute bantz bc i just btfo'd a retardly lucky toimen and also im drinkan
twitch tv neetanonn

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>>20910769
Oh and there's also Mahjong Time, but the guy who runs that is pretty scummy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20910854
god this looks like shit
also what is it with western-made mahjong games and some shitty voice announcing every discard

[Anonymous No.]

okay, not something you should riichi maybe, but it could've even went up to yakuman!

ryuukyoku

[Anonymous No.]

>>20911122
You did the right thing. If someone else calls riichi and you're not going to fold there's no point in going dama.

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>>20911755
yeah, that's basically what I thought, but 6s was in toimen's discard pile so it doesn't feel so simple

[Anonymous No.]

>>20911863
Yep. Double suji trap should get people to discard 3s and 9s more easily. Dama here

[Anonymous No.]

>>20911887
Pussy. Unless you're in tokujou or above you don't need to be this cautious. Have fun while you can

[Anonymous No.]

>>20911897
that's also something I thought about before hitting that riichi button. this gambler mentality of going for huge hands that are less certain vs more "solid hands" might be contributing to my stagnation

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone here in central Florida? We have 2 players and are looking for a couple more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20911897
>>20911933
Nothing wrong with going big if you feel like it'll happen. That's a gamble. But don't cry if your senses are wrong and it leads to a draw. Manipulating other players to hit them from the dark with a fucking dama baiman is cool as hell too, probably cooler than a yakuman

[Anonymous No.]

>>20911933
>>20911978
People just need to see what works for them and develop their own style. When it comes to mahjong there's never really a clear cut or textbook thing to do, except in very obvious situations

[Anonymous No.]

>>20912347
Well, I have fun, and I win a lot, but I also lose a lot. If I were to calculate my monthly score with the M.LEAGUE formula (+50, +10, -10, -30) I think I'd be easily over 0 (I should calculate this someday just for fun), but seeing as I'm playing on tenhou, one fourth place nullifies 1.5 first places (as I'm still 4dan), and I'm not good enough at avoiding last yet. I could say that my style is win big or lose big and just keep playing this way, but if I actually tried modifying my playstyle then maybe I could start "winning at tenhou" too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20910963
Ever played American style? They require players to speak out the discarded tile.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20913008
>They require players to speak out the discarded tile
This is just embarrassing. Shame on those old Jewish women for making people pay $8 every year just to be able to play their ripoff game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20913052
It's not like big tournaments participation is free in other places. Just another way to get the entry money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20913261
>tournament entry fees are the same as a yaku list fee
A tournament costs money to setup and requires incentives for the winner. What the NMJL is doing is just exploitation of old people.
Imagine having to pay just to see what this year's yaku patterns and han values are and not being allowed to play on Tenhou/Majsoul/Sega MJ until you do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20913412
So basically once the oldest die in peace and the rest are finally able to handle the phone camera - their entire organisation collapses?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20913460
I'm pretty sure you have to have a physical copy with you irl to actually play. You get hazed otherwise. The jews are sneaky.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20913512
Based and red pilled
No wonder they always are pictured with that sheet. I just assumed they were so old they weren't able to memorize it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20913512
Yeah, it's to the point where you can buy card holders specifically made for that.

[Anonymous No.]

This past month this game has really mind fucked me. Down -500 on my new account and I went from R2100 to R1650. I've possibly met the worst players: constantly throwing down live dora/red 5s to dealer riichi, always pushing jikaze nomi/kuitan nomi, dealing into expensive obvious hands, cheap penchan ooikake riichi into dealer riichi, never defending. I'm playing toddlers and I'm still losing. Kuyashii.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20914183
I feel you. I just got 141334424 today. Some of them were games I should've/could've won, but many were absolute bullshit. The last game, I made no major mistakes, "returned to the basics", played very solid all around, yet I just never got the right tiles to be faster than the others. There was a dude who got ippatsu tsumo two rounds in a row as oya. In one of my games three dudes defended perfectly against my riichi, yet I remember past month's games where people just kept dealing into everything. Fuck this game (when the randomness doesn't work in my favour).

[Anonymous No.]

>>20913261
Nobody's talking about tournaments, even if you want to play by yourself in your own home you need to shell out for score cards and do it again every year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20911959
Start teaching people

[Anonymous No.]

>>20913052
It's because the discards aren't lined up or anything, people just toss them in the middle like a big discard pile.
Not like that makes any more sense, but yeah it's how it's played

[Anonymous No.]

>>20914497
That's literally how mahjong is played in the rest of the world outside of Japan, and yet no one else needs to shout out their pieces when they discard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20914183
Just had a game like that. I got oikake riichi'd thrice by the same guy:

1st hand: ryanmen (me) vs 5 kanchan
2nd hand: sanmenchan vs 7 kanchan
3rd hand: both ryanmen

Everytime he had a riichi only hand vs my pinfu (+dora) hand but he ended up winning all of them.

[Anonymous No.]

my friend who has been playing for a month and knows maybe 5 yaku managed to pull this fucking shit

never teaching anyone how to play again

[Anonymous No.]

>>20915044
You should've taught him how to take a screenshot

[Anonymous No.]

>>20915044
Does your friend give lessons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20915044
All according to keikaku.

[Anonymous No.]

So noob question here. What are kan good for? Do they count for triplet yaku, or are there just only a couple yaku that have kan in them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20915760
They count as a triplet as far as yaku go. So like, the all pons hand can have any number of kans in place of the pons and it counts the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20915810
Awesome, thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20915835
To add on, they're also worth double the minipoints of a triplet and taking a kan also flips another dora. Another good reason to take a kan is when it's a dora tile, so you'll get 4 han from it instead of 3 from the triplet.

That means getting a riichi win with a concealed kan or two can get you big dick dora points if you're lucky, it's fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>20915897
My last game.
7 dora is funny as hell.

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus, even the shitty flash game against bots is addictive as hell. Can't wait until I'm good enough to play against people!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916244
welcome to the mahjongpill
it only gets better and better too

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know if theres any significant difference between nakama 2 second and third edition?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916244
Why wait? Just get in there and make people feel pain

[Anonymous No.]

>>20915044
>playing as a NoName

Sorry, shit does not count

[Anonymous No.]

>>20912347
Clear cut textbook choices are probably more common than most people think, actually. "Style" isn't all that relevant outside of the top tier players, and is often just used as an excuse to make bad decisions, like "it's my style to push kuitan against riichi" or "it's my style to dama pinfu".

>>20914183
>>20914325
Post some replays. Sometimes the accumulation of small mistakes can ultimately lead to a bad outcome, even if it's not obvious, and even if a loss isn't due to your own mistakes, there's usually still room for improvement.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there an easy way to find your past games for replays in Tenhou? I looked through the client and website and feel like I'm overlooking something, because I swear I knew where to find replays in the past.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916521
Your examples aside, style is actually pretty relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916244
>Can't wait until I'm good enough to play against people!
You probably already are. Low level players aren't that scary.

[Anonymous No.]

>style
>I'll keep this 5pin tanki because
(aggressive player:)
>I want a red 5 MWAHAHA
(cautious player:)
>eh I can't drop it anymore this late
(novice:)
>it just happened

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>>20915760
They give more minipoints (fu) so they can bump your score up. For example let's say you have a 2 han 30 fu hand, which is worth 2000. Now if one of you sets was a closed kan of north wind for example, it would give you 32 fu alone, so your hand would be now worth 2 han 70 fu which is worth 4500.
They also reveal another dora indicator for all players as well as the corresponding ura dora indicator for the players in Riichi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916598
How so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916521
all right, I'll post a replay from today.
https://tenhou.net/0/?log=2019030117gm-0089-0000-ff60d70a&tw=0

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917314
this look like mine when i trying out joukyou lobby.
;_;

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>>20917314
Alright, let's see.

Your honor tile handling is a bit wonky. Discard guest winds counterclockwise, and consider whether yakuhai are worth keeping - when you have several strong floating tiles, or when you're dead last, you want more than just an open 1000 point hand. If yakuhai aren't useful to you, then discard the live ones first and keep the ones that have already been discarded by others until last.

I noticed a handful of efficiency and push/fold mistakes - for example in E1, the 9m in 155679m is slightly less useful than the 1m, and certainly far less useful than 3p. You then draw the dora 8m and discard it, even though it's a confirmed one han as opposed to the unconfirmed iipeikou. In E2, 6p should go before 3p. In E2-1, similar to E1, 12m is more useful than 1s in 13455s, and when you have at least two dora you don't need to chase ittsuu. The 15s shanpon is too weak to chase and is only worth 5200, but with a four tile wait you need to at least match the riichi's EV of about 6000. Potential mangan iishanten (or minimum 7700 with pinfu) and lots of remaining live suji justify pushing 1s for now. In E3 hatsu should go before 2m and 8s before 1p. When you draw the third 3s you should cut 12s instead of 2p because not only does it give you tanyao but it's also walled off. It's too reckless to push 4m for 5200 bad shape iishanten with the table looking like that. E3-1, as I mentioned earlier, the yakuhai aren't worth keeping so drop them before 9m1s1p. E4, again, the yakuhai should go before 8p, and don't break up taatsu like 9s or 122p to keep 8m just because it's near the dora. When other people are open, you need to try and match their speed at least a little bit, you can't just sit back and watch it happen.

I think that's enough for now. I guess your main points for improvement are push/fold and balancing speed and value, because you give up way too much of the former for a faint hope of the latter.

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>>20917314
Woops beaten to it.
I'm the same dan as you but gave it a go anyway:
https://pastebin.com/EkB2Abs1
Well if any higher level player can correct what's wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917545
>>20917601
Thanks to both of you. I constantly struggle with finding the balance between speed and value, and I also struggle with all the elementary mistakes that you have pointed out. I'll also try to call less often because it feels like I've been doing it too much (this tendency could be in connection to my weird yakuhai handling).

[Anonymous No.]

M.League final series starts today/tonight/tomorrow depending on your timezone! Who are you guys/lesbians rooting for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917246
Lots of small examples. For example if your hand is borderline between Toitoi and Chitoi, a more aggressive player will probably go for toitoi which makes the table state very different. A player push/fold judgement can vary a lot, especially after they get a lead. The way a player deals with defense can be different too, how many genbutsu will you be holding onto, how you'll push based on your reads... also whether or not to riichi hard waits which is also based on reads. Will you push against this honitsu? Will you try to sashikomi to advance the game? Ponning dragons or not? Will you switch your strong ryanmen for a shanpon based on a read you made? And so on

[Anonymous No.]

>>20916558
Look for 牌譜. On the web version you have to click the right button on the bottom a couple of times to get there. Riichi Book 1 also has a section that shows where you can find it on the flash version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918049
Just because different people choose to do different things doesn't mean they're not different degrees of right or wrong. It's true that there are lots of situations in mahjong where the answer is "either way is fine", if only because the difference in EV calculated from historical statistical data is small, but there are a lot more where some choices are better than others.

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>>20918233
EV is just EV and most of the time you can't really show a difference between two EV when situations get really specific. EV also gets changed by the table state (which you can read in different ways). So not only does EV fluctuate analogically, but EV is still just *expected*, and your hand will be worth 0 if it doesn't win. Yes, sometimes you'll lose by doing something that makes sense mathematically (aka "right" in terms of long term average).
My point is that EV helps but it's still only a statistic that doesn't even comes close to cover all specific cases, and sometimes taking the worst EV / long term average is the right choice for one game's output value. If you take both of these, it means a player has lots of room in which he gets to make choices rather than following a riichi pinfu flowchart 100% of the time

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>>20918293
And yes of course you can't complain if you get ronned for 12 000 because you "felt like your riichi nomi would win first". EV is a tool you need to rely on. But the opposite is also true, you don't get to complain that your value didn't go beyond "expected"

[Anonymous No.]

Scoring is so complicated, like counting up all the fu even the ones that depend on what kind of wait you won the game with. In real life do people really take all that time in between games to calculate it and make sure it's fair?

[Anonymous No.]

Are you guys aware of the Mahjong steam game? It has cute (somewhat badly drawn) girls and is better to practice against bots than that ancient webpage in the OP. The tutorial is also really good for beginners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918388
But the flash page is free

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918293
You're now conflating style with analogue play. Fine, whatever. Either way they're both things that are hugely overrated outside of the top tier of players, and are both often used as an excuse for weaker players making bad choices. Even if they luck into making a choice that's analogue correct, if they don't have the skill and understanding to know why a choice is right or wrong, it's just a fluke and they'd be far better served by just following the digital theory.

Beginners are often far too eager to overrate their own skill and attempt to apply more advanced techniques without the proper foundation. As Hirasawa Genki would say, in order to perform these techniques well, you first need to understand what the standard theory is, what the exception to the theory is, and when that exception applies. You should basically only use analogue reasoning to choose between two otherwise equal digital choices, and if you want to use analogue reasoning to completely overturn the digital solution then you need to be very very careful about doing so.

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>>20918379
It's surprisingly easy though
1. Count triplets to convert them to fus
2. Add +10 if closed, +2 fu for bad wait and/or tsumo
3. Round up to 10

Basically if you don't want to bother: non pinfu hands are 30 if tsumo/open ron, 40 if closed ron. Unless you have good (terminal) triplets or kan
If pinfu, tsumo is 20, ron is 30

For the han, multiply by 2 for every added han.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918523
Those are 2 different things yeah. Analogue play will change things sometimes but needs to rely on solid digital thinking to be worth anything, you need to know the rules to know when to break them.
Style changes results a lot more often though. Two players wont assess situations the same way which leads to huge differences. A simple call for open tanyao can change the outcome of a game.

[Anonymous No.]

The double yakuman dream was within his reach but he didnt take it.
and he lost because of the chun too

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918574
Okay, well if the crux of it is that other players' actions (whether they be due to analogue perceptions or their own playstyles) impact the state of the table, I still disagree that there's any need for people to "find their own style" rather than just improving at the game.

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>>20918759
>I still disagree that there's any need for people to "find their own style" rather than just improving at the game.
Yeah I agree. I think improving at the game is what will create your habits and "style" if you wish to call it like this.

[Anonymous No.]

the new uzaku book is about basic tile efficiency. just right for a 4dan noob like me so I'll definitely buy it. hope it'll help

[Anonymous No.]

Got a chinroutou as my first yakuman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918379
Most hands don't have many fu, when they do have a lot of fu it is obvious from a glance. With experience it isn't complicated.

[Anonymous No.]

3.0

[Anonymous No.]

>>20917205
>it would give you 32 fu alone, so your hand would be now worth 2 han 70 fu which is worth 4500.
I had no idea fu made such a difference, I always just kind of focused on the han and never thought of the fu mattering that much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920730
Yeah it's a neat value gain for low han hands, though you don't usually get to make kans often.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20920730
>>20920776
3 han 50 fu (6400) is mahjong kino

[Anonymous No.]

>>20919095
So many new books in the past six or so months, I'm going to have to place a new batch order soon. When does this one release?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20921312
end of march

[Anonymous No.]

I successfully mahjongpilled a MTG friend today, feels good
I finally have someone to use my set with

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you not put down any of your safe tiles you brainlet? Just what

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924260
Little chance of him becoming 3rd, so why not aim for 1st?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924341
With what hand is he gonna aim for 1st?
No yaku, no dora literally worthless 1 han hand.
Sometimes you just gotta settle for 2nd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924260
>complains about a joukyuu player acting irrationally

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924367
>no dora
Are you blind?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20918639
So, that dumbfuck did not pon the shit outta that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924367
Stop being butthurt because his play caused you to be 4th.

Why did you riichi? What hope do you have of becoming 2nd with that hand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924538
First of all, I'm not him. Second of all tell me on what planet that guy is going to get first with that hand. Because it certainly isn't ours.
I wasn't trying to get 2nd I just wanted to secure 3rd.

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>>20924550
You're still complaining and that's unsightly. He could've gotten riichi ippatsu tsumo with a dora for mangan, or even without ippatsu, any couple of dora would've worked. Chasing for 1st here is a perfectly valid choice

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924573
I'm not saying he shouldn't have chased 1st. He most definitely should, but that's clearly not what he's doing. He threw out one of the tiles close to the dora as well as the dora from the very beginning and his hand is all over the place. He could've aimed for 1st if he still had his hand in order but it was pretty much doomed when his draws kept backfiring. Anyway it was more of a joke and not serious complaining because what he was doing didn't really make sense in terms of either efficiency or defending

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924500
he ponned 6sou, gave up tsuu ii sou and then lost to a clutch wait swap by the top guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20924490
Huuh yeah he has a lone East and he's still iishanten against a riichi. Though I guess even if deals into a haneman he's still 1st so he doesn't care, really. I guess that makes sense.

>>20924538
Not him. I just thought it was unnecessary for him to do that but now that I see the score differential more closely, he's sure to end up 2nd even after dealing into a haneman, so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>gotta cut this souzu tile before oya gets his chinitsu tenpai
>he was already in tenpai

[Anonymous No.]

how do I start actually figuring out what people are going for and what's safe to discard
unless it's something obvious like a rising sun or full flush I have no idea what's going on and all I really know how to do is see what's discarded to gauge my chances of drawing what I need

[Anonymous No.]

>by accident insta-discard a tile late round without looking at it
>it's a live dora
>get ronned by 3 people
>I get to keep my points and my dealer turn
Wonder why that's a rule, you deserve to get destroyed for being that careless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20925904
If there was no overflow, that's a RIP from me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20926552
You don't. Defence isn't about knowing what people are waiting on, it's about knowing what they're (probably) not waiting on. For that, you've got genbutsu, suji, and kabe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20926705
>Defence isn't about knowing what people are waiting on, it's about knowing what they're (probably) not waiting on.
I guess that makes a little more sense. It's still totally beyond me at the moment, but it's something I'll keep in mind and try to gradually get into

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get why I got 2 han for "dora" here. The dora indicator was 7 wan, meaning the dora was 8 wan. I didn't have any of those, so why did I get 2 han?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20928165
Two red doras.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20928174
Oh. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>few weeks into teaching myself and my family to play mahjong
>we play at least a few hands every day
>dad probably wins the most hands, doesnt really grasp how to go for hands worth more than one han. Much to everyone's consternation
>mother screws up a lot, usually wins hands worth 1-3 han. Occasionally causes upsets by winning massive hands. Got a dealer baiman yesterday
>brother and his wife still working on understanding the game as they dont play as often. Brother is still better than he has any right to be though. Still very good at hoarding everyone's winning tiles.
I love this game. We've all been watching Akagi together. Made my own stick for straightening walls out of mahogany

[Anonymous No.]

No red doras. Dora is 9 pin. Winner gets 3 han for dora despite only having one 9 pin tile. Where do the other 2 han come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20928548
My parents would never understand this game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20929029
When you call riichi and win it, you uncover the tile underneath the dora indicator which becomes a bonus dora indicator, in this case 7p.

winning with riichi = 1 han
winning in the same turn = 1 han
9p = 1 han
7p = 2 han

[Anonymous No.]

>>20929029
>>20929045
The "hidden dora" is called uradora btw

Also if someone declares a kan, another dora indicator gets shown, and the tile underneath it will become another uradora indicator in case of a riichi

[Anonymous No.]

>>20929045
Uradora is worth 2 han? And it is only uncovered and seen once the game is over?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20929112
No it's 1 han like any dora, but he had two of them. And yes it's only shown after the game and only for riichi hands

[Anonymous No.]

>>20929112
Look at the winning hand. Notice that there's two 7p along with one 9p. These dora tiles adds up to 3 dora.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20928548
>Made my own stick for straightening walls out of mahogany
I've been looking to do that too, I don't have a junk mat so there's no hard edge to make walls against
Your family sounds fun, I wish I had more than like two people to play with

[Anonymous No.]

rate my wishlist. the naki book is my top prio I think, plus I'm definitely preordering >>20919095 but I'm not sure beyond that. the biography-type stuff is low-prio

[Anonymous No.]

>>20929598
Top of your list should absolutely be 絶対にラスを引かない麻雀 followed by 統計学の麻雀戦術 and 現代麻雀手作りと押し引きの鉄戦術. I've heard スーパーデジタル麻雀 is good too. I don't know what level you're at but I'd say zeRo's book is more appropriate for 6d and above, and 雀ゴロK's 現代麻雀最新セオリー is probably similar. デジタルに読む麻雀 is good but again you should be at least 5-6d before you start trying to read hands. The other two Hirasawa books you've got there are kind of marginal in benefit, I felt, and they're structured like interviews with a few tenhoui around WWYDs so it's somewhat difficult to extract simple, consistent lessons from them. I do strongly recommend Hirasawa's よく分かる麻雀の勝ち方 though, it's very well structured and easy to read, with simple and useful takeaways. Kawamura's 麻雀勝ち組の鳴きテクニック is also quite good but if you've got limited time or money then I think you don't need to prioritise that one.

Pretty sure Tsuchida's book is occult nonsense and I haven't read Sasaki Hisato's. I haven't read that menchin book or the 何切る何鳴く either but I'd expect them to be perfectly fine if you want to do drills on that sort of thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20923185
Very nice. What was it about mahjong that drew him in? I played a lot of Yugioh before switching to mahjong, but when I played yugioh I always wanted there to be a way to play a 4 player every man for himself version. Mahjong scratches the itch quite nicely.

[Anonymous No.]

one more 4th and I'm out out 四段. I admit that I'm not good, but I don't think I've gotten worse in the ~200 games I've been here. so is it fine to call this one bad luck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20930864
RNG god recognized your efforts and decided to help you with the 5th dan boost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20931763
He's saying he's gonna drop down to 3 dan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20929840
all right, I ordered all but the kobago book, the biographies, the zero book and the tenhoui interview form books. also ordered よく分かる麻雀の勝ち方 that you recced. this might also motivate me to read the books that I already have

[Anonymous No.]

>>20930864
It's possible to bounce back from hell

[Anonymous No.]

Chinese dudes on majsoul taught me to spam more open honitsu and somehow I feel like I'm doing better now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933611
Open honitsu can be a good compromise between speed and value. Because honors can be ponned easily, it can be pretty fast once you pair them up, and usually it'll be worth at least 3900 points, but the best case if to aim for 8000 with a combination of fanpai/dora and maybe toitoi.
Even defense isn't so bad since you'll probably have a few honor tiles hanging around in case someone riichi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933611
>>20933638
Open honitsu triggers me
>oh, it'll be cheap as fuck, the dora isn't in the suite they're aiming for
>they always end up having the red dora, enjoy paying 5k
>or sometimes chanta, pay up 5k
>or sometimes even toitoi, eat up your mangan
Most of the time they only call a honor tile triplet so you can't accurately guess the value, maybe I'm just trash

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933784
Don't feed. Discard dangerous tiles early or fold

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933793
I try not to but there is an open "cheap" honitsu at least 6 times a game. If I have a good hand, am trying to catch up to first, and would not be dealing into last I'm not going to fold unless it's something big.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933937
>there is an open "cheap" honitsu at least 6 times a game
Are you playing on Majsoul or something? I've never seen that many in a single game on Tenhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20933978
No, but to be fair I seem to be getting the worst players no matter what time I'm playing lately. And I'm still losing so that makes me double kuso.

[Anonymous No.]

>started teaching a friend
>he gets the Japanese mahjong game on switch to practice at home
>it doesn't use Japanese terms for anything and calls yakuman "grand slams"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934101
You should grand slam his face into the pavement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934157
I mean, I'm just happy I got one of my normie friends interested in it
I didn't expect him to want to keep playing after the first hand

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934101
thanks for educating me
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Slam

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934010
What are the tips to play with lower lvl players anyway? Abandon anything slow altogether?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934423
Just play normal good mahjong and you'll get good results more consistently than they do. Riichi a lot, maybe push a bit more but don't overdo it and do dumb things.

[Anonymous No.]

What is it that I am doing wrong that keeps setting me up to being in furiten? I just started playing a week ago and keep seemingly setting myself up for failure or bad hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934701
Dora adds value but it is not a winning condition (= "yaku"). You need at least one yaku to be able to win. There are three types: special combinations, win by selfdraw with completely closed hand and riichi bet win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934701
Yeah that's not furiten, you just don't have a yaku.
You either need to put a yaku together or keep your hand closed and win off riichi

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934751
>>20934743
I guess I need to memorize some more basic yaku formation then. Thank you for the help!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934755
What I generally tell new people to do is keep your hand closed unless you can easily get a pon of dragons or seat/prevailing wind (i.e. you started with a pair of them) or just go for a tanyao (all simples). I wouldn't rely on tanyao too much though, keeping your hand closed and getting riichi wins will teach you a lot about putting hands together compared to just taking any call that doesn't have a terminal or honor. Your play also gets pretty predictable if you just keep going for tanyao.

Just keep peeking at a yaku list as you play, over time you'll add more and more to your repertoire. Seven pairs is my personal favorite, but a lot of times when you're close to that it's better to just go for all pons, especially if you have any dora tiles

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934755
Yaku are easier to remember when you realize that they all have a theme. Most of them revolve around having terminals/honors, not having terminals/honors, having the same thing in three suits, or having a certain number of pon/kan, or flush hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20934755
http://arcturus.su/wiki/List_of_yaku

[Anonymous No.]

what would You do?

I discarded 2p since it was suji for both, but toimen ronned it for 8000 (riichi dora3). I got first, but I'm pretty sure that this wasn't the best decision, and now 4p or 3m seems the best since it's shimocha's genbutsu, or 2m which seems safe for both of them (shimocha has 1m3m early in his discards, 1m3m are both 3 visible, it's also suji for toimen). 7m is also pretty safe with 6m pon and 9m being 3 times visible. 7p could've also been better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20935378
Best thing to discard here is 3m/4p to betaori. It's better to defend against 2nd place riichi as a priority because if he rons you he might overtake you.

Well 2p is dora and it's a live tile so even if it's suji to both of them, one of them could have shapon waiting on it or even worse, one guy could have shapon and the other a kanchan waiting on it and you get double ronned.
Good thing it wasn't 2nd place that was waiting on the dora, or he'd have taken 1st place.
Also, yes 2m is somewhat safe against toimen since it's suji, but it's not safe at all against shimocha because even though 1m came from his hand, 3m was tsumogiri so I think he could very well have had 134m, discarded the useless 1m from his hand, discarded the useless 3m he drew later, and still have a 2/5m wait.
These kinds of "half-kabe" aren't reliable unless you really have nothing else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20935595
good point on the 134m.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20935378
Really the only thing that matters here is that you don't deal into shimocha. You can discard whatever you want as long as it's safe against him (3m4p and probably 7p too), and if toimen rons then you're still perfectly fine short of a sanbaiman or yakuman. If you don't deal in, shimocha needs a haneman tsumo to overtake you, which is unlikely enough to begin with and even moreso with someone else in riichi.

[Anonymous No.]

Watching a tenhoui guy plaing rn and it make me feel a little bit better because even him can 4th place 2 times in a row.
imba 1 more 4th place

[Anonymous No.]

getting a comeback hand in this game is ultimate tanoshii

[Anonymous No.]

Noob from earlier is back. Thanks for talking me in to playing on Tenhou instead of just that flash game, it's an absolute riot. I'm super surprised at how quickly I transitioned into being able to make a decision in 5 seconds; I guess trial by fire works. Definitely glad I (mostly) memorized the yaku first though.

Also this hand is beautiful. Making a great hand feels so good!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20941460
The best part. You know someone out there in the Internet was not happy with you

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a retarded baka gaijin guide to tenhou or anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20941742
try tge first chapter or so of the riichi book in the op

[Anonymous No.]

I let this dude chankan me because I thought it'd be cool

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

I fell down to 3dan. very sad day

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942207
Mmhh yeah you let him do it :^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942872
I was 100% aware that there was a very real chance of being chankanned. I wasn't even sure whether I should do it, because he could've had honitsu. In the end it didn't matter, because in some other round shimocha or toimen ippatsu tsumo'd a red five for his chii toitsu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20942554
I hear you. I was 5dan playing in tokujou and now I'm 3dan floating around.

I just don't have the time to get good anymore

[Anonymous No.]

Akadora was a mistake and shouldn't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20944462
Did you get hit by a guy who was going for kuitan, and somehow had 3 aka-dora despite making 2 calls? Happens to me all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20941742
https://osamuko.com/complete-beginners-guide-to-online-mahjong-part-1-5-playing-on-tenhou/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20944462
Did you get hit by a guy who was going for kuitan, and somehow had 3 aka-dora hidden despite making 2 calls? Happens to me all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20944462
>not tracking the dora
woops he just deleted the post

[Anonymous No.]

>>20944503
>he just deleted the post
oh no my bad, not the same guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20944503
>>20944510
Pay attention, you faggots!

[Anonymous No.]

>deal into a shitty wait while in riichi
>get back but get fucked back due to uradora bullshit from kamicha
>my dealer turn is last, get back to 3rd, 5th honba
>deal into kamichas riichi, closed wait
>get back to 4th because uradora is his pair

[Anonymous No.]

how do I buy an automatic table in burgerland

[Anonymous No.]

>>20945726
With money. And Google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20945726
if you have about 800$ I can hook you up

[Anonymous No.]

Oniisan, shouldn't this amount to 40 fu?
Base - 20
Open honor triplet - 4
Closed honor triplet - 8
Single tile wait - 2

Total: 34, round up to 40.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946460
you roned on that north wind. that's considered open in terms of fun calculation and gives you 30fu even

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946460
>>20946474
Further question, since this is the East round (First round of the game), shouldn't a triplet of East wind count as Yakuhai (1 han yaku for a triplet of any dragon or round/seat wind)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946634
That's what the "wind tiles" han there is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20945726
They require maintenance they will never get. How in the world it's worth it? Buying new just because your felt got fucked because there's nobody to re-strap it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946639
>felt
Wouldn't that be the single easiest thing to replace on it? It's not even a functional moving part.
The entire thing is loaded with high-traffic motors and sensors, why the fuck would you be worried about having to replace the static stick-on felt on top? it wouldn't be any harder here than it would be on a regular plain-ass table.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946638
Right, I'm retarded.
Just to clear it up:
There are two prevailing winds: East and South.
There are also four seat winds: East, South, West, and North.

If you get a triplet of any prevailing or seat wind, then you get a yaku. Do you additionally get fu for prevailing or seat winds? I feel like I've read that somewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946688
I don't think fu looks at prevailing/seat winds, it's only a yaku.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946700
According to: http://arcturus.su/wiki/Fu

>If the hand's pair is of tiles that would score yakuhai in a koutsu, then this scores 2 fu. If the pair doubles up as both the round wind and the seat wind, it may score 2 fu, or 4 fu. That is dependent on which scoring rule is used for this case

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946711
It's not the pair in >>20946460's hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946770
So hypothetically, there are two prevailing winds: East and South, both 4 rounds long. If I get a pair of east within the first four games or a pair of South within the four last game, I would get 2 fu?

[Anonymous No.]

>4444
what a nice day.
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

So close...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946780
Yes, 4 fus if you get a pair of East during East if you're East, same for South. Although you'd be much better ponning it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20947108
not in every ruleset though

[Anonymous No.]

Comeback from the abyss with a mangan and a haneman as 4th south round dealer feel really good huh.
everytime i pulled something like this i feel like im akagi eventhough i lose 4 games in a row earlier

[Anonymous No.]

>>20947396
>south 4
>last place
>win 5 hands in a row, put someone negative and win
This game is fun sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone ever played Chinese or American rules? Is it any good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20947417
American mahjong (so uppity they have to spell it "mah jongg") is a cultural abomination.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20948144
at least it ensures that people know what mahjong is. just talked to a lady who knew what mahjong was because she saw it in Columbo. she even said she used to play it online (that could've been anything from chinese to american to tile matching shit, I didn't inquire).

to be honest I'd play riichi with old hags. they are among the few who are autistic enough to learn all these rules and they also have plenty of free time. then, if the hags came, maybe the cute maidens would appear one day too (is this what they call wishful thinking?). I've met some lady who said that if you want to play Tarot, you first have to sit behind someone and just watch them play for three years. I bet they were just overstating, and I doubt that tarot is more complex than mahjong, but it was obvious that this woman was juggling all kinds of stuff in her head, counting which cards were discarded already, etc. She'd be a good fit for mahjong.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20946877
（° －° ）
this face is called yonrasu-kun because Kobayashi Go posted it on his twitter when he got 4 lasts in some league

[Anonymous No.]

>>20947396
Kamicha deserved his demise

[Anonymous No.]

What happens to riichi bets when it's a draw game?

[Anonymous No.]

>one too many drinks
>4th

well at least I can blame something else

[Anonymous No.]

>>20948963
The game itself is probably fine. The copyrighted hand list they expect everybody to buy is bullshit though.

[Anonymous No.]

>my mom causes another upset with a dealer baiman
How does she keep doing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20951776
They stay in the pot. Whoever wins next claims them

[Anonymous No.]

>>20948144
>American mahjong (so uppity they have to spell it "mah jongg") is a cultural abomination.
From what little I've seen of it, that seems accurate
Isn't the game only called mahjong instead of "mahque" or something because some fuckwad wanted to change the name to something he could trademark and sounded more oriental?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952763
Tell mom that's a nice toitoi and I respect not going for muh honitsu here

[Anonymous No.]

>>20952617
>The game itself is probably fine
It isn't, all the hands are random arbitrary bullshit with no coherency or theme so it's not really plausible to gauge what anyone's going for and the whole Charleston thing is beyond stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20947417
If you know riichi, then transition into Chinese rules isn't so bad.

American, on the other hand. It's like a completely different game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20953366
Chinese is kind of the same thing but without minipoints and with no riichi, yeah?
And then instead of any yaku you need at least X han or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>20953154
>mahque
kek, that's Spanish.

[Anonymous No.]

>13332412
avoiding last is pretty simple if I play solid (because everyone else keeps dealing in), but you gotta be a bit lucky to win

[Anonymous No.]

>agari toppu
>toimen fast riichi
>keep worrying that my kuitan won't be fast enough
>cut every dangerous tile
>win
such a relief

[Anonymous No.]

finally I get to have a game-deciding dama mangan too. also, look at that 供託

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/28gm6V6mqXQ
wow someone made english subs for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20956362
>muh tanyao

[Anonymous No.]

Shuffling and building walls is such a pain in the ass
I want an automatic table

[Anonymous No.]

>XIV mahjong wait times have gone from instant on release to 15+ minutes
Time to figure out tenhou I guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>20915044
Why the fuck would he discard that here, does he have brain problems?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958347
he's riichi'd. he had no say in the matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958516
Oh I'm blind apparently.
Sucks to be him then

[Anonymous No.]

>I can reach top so I push
>deal into dealer haneman
>rasu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20958261
Just get the translation plugin from OP.

[Anonymous No.]

>watch all seasons of Saki
>think mahjong gimmicks and superstitions like that seem silly
>slowly start to realize I'm way more likely to get a green dragon set than the other two dragons

what's your gimmick, /jp/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20961468
I can get 4th in one fell discard, no matter the circumstances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20961468
This is how I live for about 5 months already: weekdays = almost all my 4ths, weekends = climbing back.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't care if it's weeb trash, Saki is really cute and I love it

[Anonymous No.]

OK, show me your yakumans

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963038
the closest to yakuman i had was a kokushi tenpai that i bet everything on it while on the same situation as you.
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963038
Damn, that's a rare one.
I've never had a yakuman ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963038
I've made it to suu an kou tenpai a couple times but mofos always deal in before I can draw it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963038
...it counts

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963038

[Anonymous No.]

>>20964439
>GranOrder has mahjong

What the hell?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963038

[Anonymous No.]

Based Idol Janshi

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963038
here's a pic of my first yakuman

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to get 13 han without getting one of the automatic yakuman hands, and does it still count as a yakuman if you can?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965099
Yes. Any decent sized hand with a lot of dora can do it. Easier if you have red fives.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder to pick up the replacement tile from the dead wall after you call kan

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965270
fucking sad stuff. with dora 6, he had at least a haneman

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963038
Yesterday's

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965270
>>20965277
Was this on the livestream in OP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965360
yes. it's going on right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965431
Do I need a VPN or something? It's just blank for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965443
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965659
Rip
Just any Japanese IP will let me in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965664
yes, even free vpns

[Anonymous No.]

>https://tenhou.net/0/?log=2019030921gm-0089-0000-80162d55&tw=1
finally a no-mangan game

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965720
Can someone spoonfeed me on this? There's so much shit out there and it all looks like it's got different purposes and half of it looks skeevy as fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>20968498
try vpn gate. they have guides for everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965277
And instead, he proceeded to have a bad day and utterly destroyed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20970385
now he gets hatsu chun haku toitsu haipai

[Anonymous No.]

daisangen hot damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>20970357
Hi thank you for helping me instead of just calling me a faggot or something
This is just something I've never had a reason to set up and I'd like to know what other people are using, especially with VPNs being marketed to normies now via fear theater I feel like I wouldn't want to just go in with a few blind google searches

[Anonymous No.]

>>20970455
https://twitter.com/m_league_/status/1104642115647135745

Wow, Maehara must've been mad from yesterday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20970634
>still didn't get toppu
this is very sad on multiple levels

[Anonymous No.]

>>20963038
Damn, I woulda gotten another one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20965099
CTRL+F: 数え役満

http://tenhou.net/sc/ykm.html

Enjoy

[Anonymous No.]

any tips on teaching beginners? my current routine:
1. show and explain all the tiles (3 suits, winds, dragons, 1-sou is a bird,...)
2. a winning hand is 4 sets and a pair (ignoring kokushi and chitoitsu)
3. explain sets (123 works 912 doesn't, cant combine different dragons,...)
4. let them shuffle tiles, build walls, role the dice, break the walls, explain dead wall, discard pile, etc.
5. let them play a round with open hands, introduce chi and pon when possible

[Anonymous No.]

>http://app.f.m-cocolog.jp/t/typecast/121779/118327/125820363
glad I didn't buy a used copy for 6k yen and the likes

[Anonymous No.]

>https://mega.nz/#!maoDnQIT!puU1LrVBF7MUnGx3A_QnW2x0kugxUA8in8RHyTuAOI0
reminder that a kind anon shared nani kiru 301 with the general. maybe we should put it in the OP/pastebin?

[Anonymous No.]

fucking haitei tsumo of all thing

[Anonymous No.]

This rude game thinks zero is a negative number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20961468
My gimmick is getting 4 or 5 pairs and not advancing at all towards either chiitoi or a normal fucking hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20899853
When I turn 60 and my brain stops being reactive enough to play Riichi MJ I’ll consider maybe switching to the subhuman 90% luck based Chinese one.

[Anonymous No.]

Nowaday i have a habit of reading some Akagi to refill my mahjong power and it is quite effective.
lose like 10 games in a row due to tilt and shit and after chilling with my homie akagi i felt like i can win again

[Anonymous No.]

>>20970802
I've been told that you should not go into riichi until the last lesson. start with one suit and five tile hands to make everyone understand the basics of play. eventually grow it out to 8 and add a suit. avoid the minutia and push for basic yaku comprehension

[Anonymous No.]

>>20971945
gotta chill sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>20971898
I wast hinking about posting something like this when I was playing yesterday.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a program that lets you play with both humans and bots at the same time? I want to learn with a friend, but we don't have enough for four people.

I know there's one in the document in the OP, but it's for Android and also the link is broken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20972685
>link is broken
Mahjong Tengokuhai? could be found in the shops without any links by "Hangame". Also you two could just use L7447 lobby, and try to get two more people right here in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20970802
There is the "Tibet" method. Not sure why it was called this way.

For complete beginners, just play with them using one suit and maybe hands 4 tiles long. Then gradually work up to 7 tile hands. Then 10.

Even eventually, toss in another suit. Later, work with the manzu.

You can see the pattern from here. Just one gradual build up process.

This really works for "total beginners".

NOTE: Haven't even mentioned wall building yet.

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>>20971913
>Riichi
>not 120% luck-based
Let's not kid ourselves, anon.

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>>20973395
Have you played HK, Chinese, or almost any other form of mahjong? Riichi has quite a bit of strategy and a lot decisions you can make. Everything else is brain-dead call to win. No thought, no strategy, no fun involved.

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>Play mahjong with friends every week
>People get annoyed at how misaligned our discards are a lot of the time
>They usually go out of the way to make sure they're all straight and uniform, moving the discards around
>Understandable, but it usually wastes a few seconds every round and is kinda annoying.
>Try and find a solution online but can't find anything
>Notice that a DS case is almost the perfect size for all six tiles for a discard pile, but it's not perfect
>Eventually use a PS1 case, but it's also just too big
>Open it up and take the manual out
>Literally the perfect size for 6 tiles and stays aligned since it's a square
>Been using it as the centerpiece since then

Thanks Metal Gear Solid.

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>>20899683
>https://abema.tv/now-on-air/mahjong
Is there a schedule for this anywhere?

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>>20974083
try the website itself or the m.league website. hope you can figure out timezones by yourself

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>>20970455
That DSG really fucked up Abemas. Not only the direct point swing of 64,000 points, but also the placement points by virtue of a 4th in Game 10.

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Are there even rules for Riichi with flower tiles? All the sets come with them

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>44414
even when I get dora pon or something fast with a good wait, I never win

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>>20971946
forgot to mention, they just play to complete hands, no yaku, riichi, dora, points at all.

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>>20972685
if you are willing to pay money, there is "Mahjong Riichi Multiplayer" on Steam. Solid but dead game.

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>>20973468
>Have you played HK, Chinese, or almost any other form of mahjong?
Yup. Played quite a few before switching over to Riichi.
>Everything else is brain-dead call to win. No thought, no strategy, no fun involved.
Have you actually tried MCR or are you just basing this off of HK, Taiwanese, and American versions?

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Is it possible to get the red currency without donating in majsoul?

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>>20977580
All I know is the English translation is SOON (tm).

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>>20977716
Have you tried out the fan translation on github?

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347899二三
打9 -> ukeire 2345 一二三四 28 tiles but 16 are tanki endshape (so 12 tiles are ryanmen endshape)
打三 -> ukeire 2569 二 18 tiles but all of them are ryanmen or aryanmen

so which is objectively better? 三 obviously if pinfu is needed, but assuming it doesn't matter (e.g. dora hatsu pon), is 打9 faster or not (in average).

I was playing "tibet rules" with my parents, and I discarded 三, but I was really unsure. I'd probably hesitate with such a paishi in a real game too, but would probably go with 三or4 (deciding based on what seems more likely to come out), because then I can take tenpai with chii.

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>hand progressing decently
>could've even got menhon, but it's too late, I'm calling everything now
>2s finally comes
>chii!
>ron
>both hatsus and one of the peis were held hostage by chiitoi toimen and shimocha

in oorasu I riichied a kanchan I shouldn't have and ended last

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>>20978189
Slow honitsus dealing in with their own suit is cinematic.

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>>20978189
How did that guy chi and ron at the same time?

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>>20978216
slow is relative. I had this iishanten in round 6 which would be pretty much unstoppable in any ordinary round

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>>20978324
he took 6m from toimen with chii --> tenpai, discarded 2s, which I took with chii --> tenpai, ronned the 3s I discarded

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>>20978340
Sure thing, I think it's relative but to how soon we are detected. So people begin to hoard the suit, very possibly are forced to have waits in it as well and then it's a race against a wall.

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heheheheh

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>https://twitter.com/matsukayo0806/status/1102376547061706752
m-league reporter matsukayo in playboy
>https://book.mynavi.jp/ec/products/detail/id=103055
matsumoto has a book coming out

[Anonymous No.]

is this the secret to becoming tenhoui?

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>>20978471
It's only a matter of time before someone mosaics the bread

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>>20978471
oshiete pirates got wild

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>>20978471
Real talk, is M-League good enough to prove that mahjong can be legit competitive, non-gambling sport like bridge?

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>>20978471

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>>20980349
>「すでに2022年の北京冬季五輪に向けて国際麻雀連盟が室内競技の正式種目としてIOC（国際オリンピック委員会）に申請しています（中略）。日本代表チームを作るとなったら、当然Mリーガーから選ばれるでしょう。子供たちが『将来はMリーガーになりたい』と憧れるような世界を作っていきたい」
they'll try to bring it to the olympics. we'll see whether M-league is good enough. mahjong is pretty niche stuff, I imagine most people don't know about m-league. from what I've seen there's a maximum of 1000 (probably less) people at the public viewing venues. those who like mahjong and m-league probably enjoy it a lot, but for the rest, it doesn't change a thing.

I have a friend who meets Japanese people all the time, and he keeps telling them that I play riichi, and there was one dude that said "that's something only ossans play", while another was surprised that "there are books written about mahjong". This is all just anecdotal evidence, but until someone makes a study about people's attitudes towards Mahjong this is the best we can get. Perhaps nip anon could shed some more light on this.

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>>20982668
>there was one dude that said "that's something only ossans play"
That's pretty much the general consensus. Similarly to how poker or pool is viewed in the West.

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>>20983051
I figured it would be at least slightly more mainstream than that if it's got all this anime and stuff, especially something like Saki

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>>20983281
There are a lot of anime with cute girls doing niche things. There are really not a lot of mahjong anime, just Saki recently.