What is the general consensus of the Touhou Anime?

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Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:21:55 2009 No.2083648 [Reply] [Original]

What is the general consensus of the Touhou Anime?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:22:49 2009 No.2083651 Luna Marius was an awesome original character.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:22:49 2009 No.2083652 It was alright. Better than most crap this season.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:23:21 2009 No.2083657 Suika is so moe, Marisa sounds like an old woman etc.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:23:59 2009 No.2083661 I wasnt expecting remeliamoe

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:24:07 2009 No.2083664 People are still talking about it? Hohoho~ Well, it wasn't good or bad. Just... alright.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:25:51 2009 No.2083670 its like a prologue to a new touhou game how did they got the pro VA?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:25:51 2009 No.2083672 The characters were drawn like they had eaten at McDonalds for at least 3 weeks in a row. Remilia especially. I wonder, do they have McDonalds in Gensokyo? That would be sweet!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:26:22 2009 No.2083674 >>2083661 She seems pretty moeish after you defeat her in EoSD. At least with Reimu.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:27:12 2009 No.2083679 I'm also interested on ZUN's take on it. Did he authorized it? Did he liked it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:28:07 2009 No.2083685 >>2083674 Because Reimu defeated her, Remilia wants to suck her blood, right? Is there any doujin where Remilia sucks Reimu's blood like she does for Sakuya in that VISSIONERZ doujin?

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:29:35 2009 No.2083694

>>2083679
ZUN didn't attend the screening. He didn't like it. Personally, I think Maikaze has overstepped their bounds by bringing in popular personalities into it. They have ruined Touhou for us all. They were the final nail in the coffin, which IOSYS made.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:30:31 2009 No.2083700 >>2083679 He disapproved.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:31:26 2009 No.2083703

It was shit.

Even if you let the sub-par animation go, it was a stupid goddamn cliché plot, the jokes were not funny, and I felt really let down by the big name voice actors because it seems like they weren't used to their full capacity.

It was bad and Maikaze should feel bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:34:01 2009 No.2083716 Aya was the best thing out of it.

>>	ZUN !barYV1VtIA Sat Feb 14 17:35:23 2009 No.2083718 It had lots of tea drinking and walking slowly. Thus, I consider the fanime to be a great success.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:36:00 2009 No.2083727 >>2083718 I wish it would've had more action, on par with Bleach or Soul Eater.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:36:27 2009 No.2083721 >>2083718 It didn't have enough tea drinking and they were walking far to quickly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:37:04 2009 No.2083731 The horns were enough to made me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:37:08 2009 No.2083730 >>2083685 There's one where Remilia drinks Reimu's menstrual blood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:39:05 2009 No.2083737 >>2083727 And this is the new face of /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:40:57 2009 No.2083744 Suika had a cute voice and was cute in general. I liked her more than I usually do. Didn't really care for anything else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:41:10 2009 No.2083745 >>2083694 Go cut yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:41:20 2009 No.2083747 >>2083737 Just wait until we get our very own GARuto!

>>	Hong Meiling 門門 !!CkFE91f1n9T Sat Feb 14 17:41:35 2009 No.2083749 >>2083685 http://gallery.gensokyo.org/albums/mirror/Asatsuki_Dou_-_Laughing_Crescent_Moon.zip

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:42:53 2009 No.2083754 >>2083747 I was banned from /a/ for posting loli nipples, confirming there are mods are on /a/, yet they never banned that faggot yet.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:43:02 2009 No.2083761 I'd Marisa's voice

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:43:23 2009 No.2083758 maybe next touhou games will have movie or cg animation in it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:45:50 2009 No.2083770 Better than 90% of spring and winter animu combined

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:46:21 2009 No.2083773 >>2083749 Ah thanks

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:48:13 2009 No.2083786 >>2083761 her VA got a wide variety of voice

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:48:40 2009 No.2083788 >>2083685 >>2083749 As you can see, the results aren't very satisfying.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:49:18 2009 No.2083795 I liked it. It could have been better, but I liked it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:54:24 2009 No.2083814 I wish there were more Remilia x Reimu doujins.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 17:57:16 2009 No.2083825 i thought the character design sucked.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:00:14 2009 No.2083854 ZUN was worried the touhou anime would supersede his games. If he'd actually watched it before crying about it in his blog, he'd know that only fans would get anything out of it.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:10:36 2009 No.2083896

>>2083648

The c75 maikaze doujin ova?

Half the characters were wrong and the SDM was the wrong color, but Mai Nakahara does a very convincing Reimu.

Certainly better than the SoundHolic one, but not as good, in my opinion as the FFstyle 8bit one.

can't find the nico link.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:12:00 2009 No.2083906
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I enjoyed it. If they make a second episode like they hinted they have a perfect opportunity to make me really like it, assuming they show a bit more of the characters' personalities.
Even though it lacked severely in substance and there were some things I disagree with (Patchy running scared after one spellcard?) it was fun to watch the characters animated without too huge discrepancies in the characters' characterisation compared to how I imagine them.
That being said I think they were a bit too careful not to antagonise anyone so they kept the personalities a bit too much towards bland.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:18:57 2009 No.2083945 I thought it was really good

>>	Comrade General Sat Feb 14 18:22:53 2009 No.2083964 Too much Lucky Star slice of life and moe moe crap, but it could be worse I guess.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:25:41 2009 No.2083980

Needed more ZUN music and less shit OP.
and for the battle scenes instead of silly kicking through walls, needed more proper danmaku.
ZUN has such beautiful danmaku, it's a lost opportunity to fail to try to adapt those great patterns, timed to music and speed of the camera.
But the genenral treatment of the characters made me think MAIKAZE had a tenuous understanding of the games at best.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:26:58 2009 No.2083991 File: 188 KB, 960x600, 1234654018841.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2083727 >I wish it would've had more action, on par with Bleach or Soul Eater.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:27:05 2009 No.2083993 File: 396 KB, 1250x1425, 1234654025774.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2083896 >SDM was the wrong color

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:31:24 2009 No.2084017
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>>2083980

MAIKAZE makes music first and foremost. Of course in something they produce, they're going to use their music. And instead of the Casio trumpets and amazing synth ZUN loves, they fall back on classic Japanese instruments and lots of woodwinds.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:41:56 2009 No.2084067
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Marisa did not have her usual, accepted personality. For instance, when Reimu bursts into the library, instead of Marisa just standing there saying "You're already in ze", she would have been the one to burst in in a flash of stars of awesome, flying around trying to make Patchy notice her exploits while hindering Reimu in her search for the true culprit.

And where the hell was Flandre? FFS

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:43:03 2009 No.2084074

>>2084017

But it wasn't ZUN compositions, that's what I mean.
If you don't use Touhou music people don't assosciate it with Touhou and you further alienate the fanbase and welcome newfags.
Not using VAs in the Touhou doujin scene, like those of Yellow Zebra, Silver Forest, or IOSYS does the same.

I think it was a regrettable move on their part.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:45:05 2009 No.2084077 >>2084067 They used Marisa as a tsukkomi/straight-man. It's a terrible waste; they're never going to get her back, and I doubt they care.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:50:27 2009 No.2084089 So basically, the people who enjoy Touhou because its a fun game and has good characters in liked it, and the people who enjoy Touhou because it's cool and niche and fap to everything ZUN does or says didn't like it. Okay.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:51:05 2009 No.2084092 >>2084077 I don't see why they did that though. Is Marisa even a little bit tsukkomi in canon or fanon? Even Alice would have been a better choice in that regard.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:53:23 2009 No.2084101

You know what would have been much worse? If ZUN had actually given his official OK and taken part in the making of the animu and it still looked like this. It would have been like:

Maikaze:"Is this destroying your creation?" "Is this nothing like your original idea?"
ZUN:"Yes"
Maikaze:"GOOD!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:53:34 2009 No.2084102 >>2084089 No, you totally missed the whole point of the counterargument. The anime was about as un-Touhou as you can get, and only serves to alienate those who actually give a damn about this series.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:55:58 2009 No.2084107 >>2084102 I like both.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:56:00 2009 No.2084109 File: 557 KB, 592x616, 1234655760998.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2084092 Could be because she's being forced into the whole "FIND DONATION BOX" thing instead of doing what she wants to. Or something. I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:57:08 2009 No.2084113 File: 9 KB, 252x252, 1234655828083.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2084107 No you don't.

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Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:59:01 2009 No.2084124

>>2084102

It only alienates people who are worried that people less e-cool than themselves might actually, God forbid, enjoy something they too enjoy. None of this is OMG DESTROYING THE ORIGINAL VISION OF ZUN-SAMA any more than any other doujin project.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 18:59:33 2009 No.2084121 >>2084109 That's just it. She wouldn't have been forced into it, and the idea of Aya just swooping down and taking Marisa against her will is ludicrous. If she didn't want to participate, she would have just gone back to the forest.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:03:15 2009 No.2084147 I thought it was okay. Not great, but better than average. Except Suika, that was just great. Marisa's voice actor is perfect

>>	Tewi Inabog Sat Feb 14 19:03:23 2009 No.2084148 who cares it was pretty much an animated doujin, a subpar doujin and we don't throw bitch fits over every single touhou doujin posted here usually

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:03:54 2009 No.2084151

>>2084124
Yes, because everyone should love fanfiction that spits in the face of the source material and was written by faggots who don't really care about the source material.

Oh wait, that's generally considered a BAD THING.

And it doesn't really matter that it fucks with established characterizations, because everything else about it sucks too. No one would look at it twice if it wasn't Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:06:16 2009 No.2084161 >>2084151 So you hate the entire Touhou doujin scene?

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:07:13 2009 No.2084167

>>2084124
Except that it was an anime with big-name VAs, meaning anyone that sees it without ever being exposed to the games will get a very wrong idea of what Touhou really is. It's always going to be easier to watch an anime than read a doujin, especially since anime is more readily available than doujinshi in general.

I don't give a fuck if others enjoyed it or not. It's what they get out of it is what matters.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:10:34 2009 No.2084183

>>2084167

No-one who hasn't already been exposed to Touhou is going to care about the anime one way or the other, and nor are they really going to be able to understand much of it, since none of the characters or relatationships were ever really introduced. It was blantantly something made by fans and for fans.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:11:56 2009 No.2084192

>>2084161
>So you hate the entire Touhou doujin scene?
Hey, thanks for putting words in my mouth. That's not what I said at all, in fact, I don't recall saying anything about disliking fanfiction that fucks with shit, I just said it was generally considered BAD.

To answer your question, no, I don't. I don't really mind people fucking with established characterizations or generally pissing in ZUN's eye so long as they make it interesting or funny.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:14:00 2009 No.2084219 >>2084192 Oh, right. I apologise for making the ridiculous and baseless assumption that you dislike things that you consider "BAD". I guess you, uh, like things that are bad, or something.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:16:12 2009 No.2084228 >>2084183 So you're saying no one can watch an anime without ever having previous knowledge of what it's about? Are you actually trying to imply that Touhou is still just a niche fandom?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:16:31 2009 No.2084232 >>2084219 Stop being difficult. You don't really have a point and you're just trying to antagonize him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:17:10 2009 No.2084242 >>2084183 I guess you missed the thread about the comments the anime was getting on Crunchyroll, eh?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:20:33 2009 No.2084257 Whats the hottest doujin then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:20:33 2009 No.2084258 >>2084219 Well, I like Kamen Rider Den-O and I concede that it is in fact bad. So yes, you would be correct. Just because I like something doesn't mean it's well-written or has artistic merit, and I'm not so stupid that I can't tell the difference.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:22:12 2009 No.2084270

>>2084232

Are you /jp/'s Head Boy or something?

In any case, what he said makes no sense whatsoever.

>>2084228

No, I'm saying that the anime does not affect people's preconceptions about Touhou any more than then years and years worth of doujin works already preoduced are able to. Marisa Stole the Precious Thing has been doing this much better than the anime ever could for years.

>>2084242
This just in: I don't care much what the users of Crunchyroll think. I'd be more concerned with the perception of Touhou by the kind of people who might meaningfully appreciate the series.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:24:42 2009 No.2084291 >>2084270 >Are you /jp/'s Head Boy or something? Yes. You're going to lose your lunch room privileges if you don't calm down.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:24:48 2009 No.2084292 They desecrated my Marisa. Other than that, average.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:26:59 2009 No.2084306

>>2084258

Unless you're actively watching something *because* it is a trainwreck, "being entertaining" is the same thing as being well-made, since it is ENTERTAINMENT. Not everything has to have enormous twists and deep characterisations to be good. Either the anime is good, because it is entertaining, or it's bad, because it isn't. You can say that "everything else about it sucks too", and sure, that's fine, but I'm going to have to respectfully disagree with your opinion on that count.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:27:53 2009 No.2084315 S'cool, I have music most lunchtimes so I usually eat during morning break.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:28:59 2009 No.2084322 >>2084291 S'cool, I have music most lunchtimes so I usually eat during morning break.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:28:59 2009 No.2084324 >>2084315 Do you always post "S'cool"? I've seen someone post that in several different threads and I'm wondering if it's always you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:29:59 2009 No.2084329 >>2084306 >if something is entertaining it is good regardless of whether or not it is bad Dumbest opinion ever.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:33:22 2009 No.2084344

>>2084329

>Good
> 2 a: Having the qualities that are desirable or distinguishing in a particular thing: a good exterior paint; a good joke.

>Entertainment
>3: Something that amuses, pleases, or diverts, especially a performance or show.

Sorry, but it's not an opinion.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:35:49 2009 No.2084355

>>2084344
Something can be entertaining without being good within consideration of its medium as whole. I can enjoy a bad or decent TV show, but does that mean it is a good TV show? No. I can enjoy some random song I hear on the radio, but does that mean it is a good song? No. Most forms of entertainment have aspects other than "Is this entertaining or not?" that should be considered when evaluating the work.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:38:16 2009 No.2084370

>>2084306
>"being entertaining" is the same thing as being well-made
Bullshit. I've been entertained that were as poorly made as it gets, but I'm not going to masquerade them as something good. Point in case, the original Transformers - the animation is shit, the plots sucked, and it was clearly a poorly made vehicle t sell toys to children. I still enjoy it, but I'm not going to pretend it was or is good, because it's not and never was.

And yes, Kamen Rider Den-O is a fucking trainwreck. The plot is stupid, every time they mention anything about how time functions I rage, and it's only redeeming quality is the humor.

But even if you consider that to be a benchmark for what's "good", Maikaze's fanime still sucks. Plot? Oh golly gee, this isn't a transparent plot that's been done to death a million fucking time on every goddamn long-running TV ever. Humor? What fucking humor? It's blatantly not fucking funny. The animation sucks, the high-name voice actors don't seem to have been used to full effect, the only thing even half-way worthwhile is the backgrounds and I've seen far more entertaining backgrounds. And I'm sure people enjoyed it, but they're probably the same faggots who enjoy Naruto so make of them what you will.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:41:22 2009 No.2084380

>>2084355

If some piece of entertainment entertains you on it's own merit, then it is a good piece if entertainment. That doesn't mean it is HOLY SHIT THE MOST AWESOME SHIT EVER WHAT THE FUCK, or even something that you would actively seek out again, but it does mean it's good. There is certainly scope for other pieces of entertainment to be better, however.

Unless you're being a pretentiousfag, other considerations should be strictly secondary. Things do not need to be expensively produced, amazingly original, or DEEP to be good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:46:12 2009 No.2084395 >>2084380 see >>2084344 Entertaining =/= Good, you stupid faggot.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:50:08 2009 No.2084417

>>2084370 Bullshit. I've been entertained that were as poorly made as it gets, but I'm not going to masquerade them as something good.

Then it's either not entertaining on its own merits, but as an amusing trainwreck, or because of some other factor.

>But even if you consider that to be a benchmark for what's "good", Maikaze's fanime still suOPINIONS OPINIONS OPINIONS.

Okay, but I disagree. It was entertaining to see Touhou with halfway-decent animation, and the voice acting was fine. The humour was bod-standard anime stuff, which is to say poor, but that was hardly the point of the show, and as I said, something does not have to be hugely deep or original to be good. You can have your opinion on that, but I'm going to have to disagree.

And no, throwing arbitrary Naruto comparisons in does not make your opinions any more factual.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:50:56 2009 No.2084413

>>2084380
I will give you that a shitty song can be "good entertainment," but it will never be a good song. Stop being retarded. Other things must be considered beside entertainment value, or else you are implying that all music, books, etc. are completely shallow and devoid of any expression or deeper meaning, which is not true.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:52:07 2009 No.2084422 >>2084395 Why are you directing me to one of my own posts?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:56:09 2009 No.2084438 >>2084422 So you don't understand the definitions in your own post? Thanks, I'm done here, there's nothing I can do to discredit you than what you've already done.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 19:58:05 2009 No.2084449

>>2084413 I will give you that a shitty song can be "good entertainment," but it will never be a good song.

In my experience, a poor song is either only entertaining to laugh at how poor it is, or not entertaining at all.

>Other things must be considered beside entertainment value, or else you are implying that all music, books, etc. are completely shallow and devoid of any expression or deeper meaning, which is not true.

These should be things that add to how entertaining (/diverting / interesting) the media is. Adding DEEPness for it's own sake is simply pretentious and irritating. Note that this is subjective; a good book for a 13-year-old girl is unlikely to be the same as a good book for 1 30-odd Philosophy major.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:02:45 2009 No.2084469

>>2084438

Assumption 1: Something that is good is something that has the qualities desirable in it.
Assumption 2: Entertainment is something that is intended to amuse or divert.

If entertainment amuses or diverts, it therefore has the qualities desirable in it.
If entertainment has the qualities desirable in it, it is good.

Please point out the flaw in the logic; saying "YOU'RE RONG" in a snide tone does not really count.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:08:25 2009 No.2084501 >>2084449 I suppose Twilight is a good book since it is entertaining to some people, right? Cool opinion. I'm done arguing over this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:11:17 2009 No.2084517 >>2084501 Oh God, please don't mention Twilight ever again

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:11:41 2009 No.2084523 >>2084501 You can say that it's inherently bad, but I can guarantee that there will be plently of people who will argue the complete opposite just as vehemently. I guess that's why they're called "opinions", huh?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:13:41 2009 No.2084535 >>2084517 Twilight

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:17:26 2009 No.2084553 File: 285 KB, 600x600, 1234660646931.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I liked it. I rewatched it several times, in fact. I thought the voices fit well and everyone acted relatively in-character. More so than your average chado doujin, anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:18:54 2009 No.2084560 >>2084523 Just because some people think that something like that is good doesn't mean it is. It means they have bad taste.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:19:17 2009 No.2084564 >>2084560 I think you missed what the argument was over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:20:38 2009 No.2084570 >>2084560 And they will tell you with just as much conviction that it's you who has the bad taste, not them. But I guess your tastes are magically more correct than everyone else's.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:23:00 2009 No.2084588 >>2084523 >>2084564 >>2084570 All opinions are not equal. Some are a very great deal more robust, sophisticated, and well supported in logic and argument than others.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:25:00 2009 No.2084605 >>2084588 "I enjoyed this book" is never going to be an inherently correct or incorrect opinion, sorry.

>>	Derp Sat Feb 14 20:27:32 2009 No.2084611 >>2084605 That's because "I enjoyed this book" is a factual statement.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:29:48 2009 No.2084624 >>2084611 Your face is a fucking factual statement, bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:31:09 2009 No.2084634 >>2084570 But will they be able to give me good reasons that I cannot easily refute on why it is good? I think not. This is why opinions aren't inherently relative.

>>	Derp Sat Feb 14 20:31:34 2009 No.2084638 >>2084624 Sooooooo random!

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:32:58 2009 No.2084645

>>2084611

Then everything being discussed here is also factual. You can logically argue that a book may or may not be well-written, or have good characters, or have artistic value (and in most cases, you'll find plently of people logically arguing the exact opposite), but you can't argue about whether or not it is enjoyable to someone or to a group of people, which is what this discussion is about.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:34:14 2009 No.2084652 >>2084645 I don't even know what you're talking about.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:35:14 2009 No.2084655

>>2084634 But will they be able to give me good reasons that I cannot easily refute on why it is good?

"Because I enjoyed it."? Having a certain standard for what you enjoy in entertainment does not make that standard correct for everyone. Are people who actually ARE the lowest common denominator not allowed to be entertained?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:35:56 2009 No.2084659 >>2084655 >Are people who actually ARE the lowest common denominator not allowed to be entertained? They don't deserve to be entertained, at any rate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:36:54 2009 No.2084665 >>2084659 Neither do pretentious intellectual elitists.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:38:14 2009 No.2084670 >>2084665 >I hate intellectuals! Nice job invalidating your opinions.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:38:51 2009 No.2084675 >>2084655 In order for a book to be considered good or great literature, it must have significant artistic merit. Unless you can successfully argue that a book has this, then it is not good literature.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:39:39 2009 No.2084683 stop fighting guys

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:40:07 2009 No.2084687 >>2084670 Okay, good, but next time, try attacking what I actually said, not what you want me to have said.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:40:07 2009 No.2084689 >>2084683 Stop trolling.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:41:26 2009 No.2084699 >>2084687 You do realize that accusing someone of strawmen can easily be a strawman in itself, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:41:48 2009 No.2084701 Is this a LOLOPINIONS thread? Don't you guys get "Diff'rent strokes, diff'rent folks"? It's not really that hard to understand.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:42:47 2009 No.2084709 >>2084675 And who is it that decides what is and is not good literature? Because either they're handed down divine truths about which books to read, or their tastes influence their opinions just as much any anyone else.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:43:07 2009 No.2084718 >>2084699 You realize that using terminology that you learned in debate classes does not make your arguments any smarter, do you ?

>>	io.sys !LfPPE1OhI. Sat Feb 14 20:44:07 2009 No.2084720 The anime was good. That means it was entertaining. This is a fact. Argument over.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:44:07 2009 No.2084721 >>2084699 You do realise that making a correct but irrevelant comment is completely pointless, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:45:08 2009 No.2084724 >>2084709 Someone that can argue the artistic merit of a book is someone who is capable of making an informed decision. Like I said, unless you can successfully argue that it is good artistically, then it isn't good. Can you do that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:45:08 2009 No.2084726 >>2084675 It's a pity what constitutes artistic merit has never been defined, ever.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:45:08 2009 No.2084727 >>2084720 >I enjoyed the anime but I have nothing else to add

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:46:35 2009 No.2084734 >>2084727 > What is the general consensus of the Touhou Anime? > I enjoyed the anime but I have nothing else to add So you're trying to say that he made a comment actually relevant to the thread?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:46:52 2009 No.2084736 >>2084727 >I enjoy not adding punctuation to my sentences because I am a faggot.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:47:22 2009 No.2084741

>>2084718
You do realize that not using proper English does make your arguments dumber, don't you?

>>2084721
>You do realise that making a correct but irrevelant comment is completely pointless, right?
I think I'll just declare myself the victor at this point, seeing as how neither person with whom I am arguing seems to have the necessary intellectual capacity to use the English language.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:48:14 2009 No.2084748

>>2084726
Yes, there is a degree of subjectivity to it, which is one why some novels which many would consider classics are debated by others. A good place to look for a standard of quality would be novels that are already considered great literary classics, however it will not be a standard that can apply to everything.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:48:42 2009 No.2084752 >>2084736 Shut up, iosys

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:49:22 2009 No.2084757 >>2084718 Oh, I thought I'd mention this as well... >debate classes I dropped out of school in eighth grade. Nice try, though.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:50:30 2009 No.2084765

>>2084741
You realize that absolutely nothing was wrong in my sentence, do you ?
As I wasn't the person you were answering to.
But I have intense loathing for all these people who believe that because they can point out fallacious arguments their own arguments get better.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:51:03 2009 No.2084769

>>2084741

Please point out my errors.

>>2084724
Informed decisions based on criteria decided by people with mindsets and social situations remarkably similar to his own. His thoughts on what constitutes good are not the same as those of someone in a completely different situation, and nor are they inherently more correct.

>Like I said, unless you can successfully argue that it is good artistically, then it isn't good
Art for art's sake does not make something good. Something does not need to have inherent artistic value to be either good or entertaining.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:52:09 2009 No.2084772 >>2084765 >do you ? This should be: >don't you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:52:27 2009 No.2084773 >>2084757 Bored today, Betty?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:53:16 2009 No.2084780 >>2084769 >irrevelant

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:54:09 2009 No.2084784 I liked it, BUT it will only be good if there's quite more coming. If this is a 1 ep or 2 eps series then it will be pretty bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:55:21 2009 No.2084789 >>2084780 HOLY SHIT A TYPO MY ARGUMENT IS NOW INVALID Good work in confirming your status as a pretentious elitist, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:55:57 2009 No.2084795 >>2084769 >art for art's sake I'm done talking to you. Until you get this silly conception of "adding deeper meaning is pretentious" out of your head, no one will take your opinions seriously.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:56:05 2009 No.2084804 >>2084769 >Art for art's sake does not make something good. Art "for art's sake" does not exist. True art is the communication of a philosophy.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:56:29 2009 No.2084799 >>2084772 There's actually no fixed rule regarding this, but I see you're grasping at straws right now, so please, entertain me.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 20:59:35 2009 No.2084814

>>2084795

If you're "adding" deeper meaning, you're already being pretentious. Your story should either have a relevant, underlying deeper meaning, which contributes to the story as a whole, or none at all. There should not be a situation where you've decided on a plot to write and then decide that it needs hidden meanings inserted into it to make it a REAL book.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:01:44 2009 No.2084824 >>2084799 >language >fixed rules I bet you treat the dictionary like the Bible, too.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:02:10 2009 No.2084829 >>2084814 >Semantics

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:02:22 2009 No.2084830 >>2084804 Wrong ! "Le Parnasse" is an artistic movement whose methode was famous for being purely "art for art's sake".

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:02:57 2009 No.2084836 >>2084814 If you create a plot without a deeper meaning, your plot was trash from the beginning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:04:47 2009 No.2084844 >>2084830 And, to put it simply, everything resulting from it was garbage.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:05:47 2009 No.2084858

To the English major: no-one actually cares very much about flawless use of the English languange on here, so long as it is intelligible and basic rules are followed. Stop being such a douche.

To the Art major: Art is not the be-all and end-all of all human existance, despite what your teachers may have to say. Whatever happened to just enjoying a book because it has an interesting plot or characters? Stop being such a douche.

To all particapants of this thread: Stop being such douches.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:06:42 2009 No.2084859

>>2084814
Because metaphor, symbolism, etc. is all just there, right? I don't think you understand how this actually works. Adding deeper meaning for the sake of having deeper meaning is pretentious, yes, but doing it to aid the point that you are trying to make or express your idea better is not. It is important to be able to distinguish between these things.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:07:07 2009 No.2084864

>>2084844
I don't think you know anything about this.
The definition of an art, it's something that follows a precise set of rules so as to produce a given effect.
And do you realize how foolish you make yourself appear, calling works from people such as Baudelaire "garbage"?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:08:23 2009 No.2084865 WTF! is this general consensus of the Touhou Anime?!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:08:28 2009 No.2084867 >>2084858 Didn't we already cover this? I dropped out in the eighth grade. I'm not majoring in anything. Also, wouldn't the pretentious faggot here be you? After all, I'm not the one trying to pretend that my word is the word of /jp/ or 4chan, am I?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:08:38 2009 No.2084869 >>2084859 If you have a point that you're trying to aid making, then you already HAVE an underlying deeper meaning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:11:19 2009 No.2084885 >>2084869 While this is true, consider the process of writing a novel and then rethink your statement. Or better yet, analyze a work of literature and see what you can find. You might be surprised.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:13:32 2009 No.2084898

>>2084869
Everything which can be classified as art has a purpose.

>>2084864
Are you trying to make an argument from authority? It sure as hell seems like it.

Protip: If you make any appeal other than logos, your point is trash.

Also, I'm glad that you've so willingly proven my point on dictionaries.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:17:26 2009 No.2084914

>>2084898 Are you trying to make an argument from authority? It sure as hell seems like it.

>Protip: If you make any appeal other than logos, your point is trash.

THE IRONY BURNS MY EYES AND SINGES MY EYEBROWS

>Everything which can be classified as art has a purpose.
No it doesn't, unless "being art" counts as a purpose.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:22:36 2009 No.2084938

>>2084914
>THE IRONY BURNS MY EYES AND SINGES MY EYEBROWS
Do you even know what irony is?

>No it doesn't, unless "being art" counts as a purpose.
We already had this conversation. It is not art if it was created simply to be art. After all, that would be pretentious, wouldn't it? "I produced it and it's magnificent art just because I said so!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:22:36 2009 No.2084941 >>2084865 Shitstorm is the general consensus for anything.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:22:43 2009 No.2084944

>>2084898
>Everything which can be classified as art has a purpose.
Haha, no.
Joke's on you for not knowing that art has no purpose to serve.
And I don't know what you're rambling on about on dictionnaries, you're obviously an idiot if you can't understand the meaning of a word.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:25:43 2009 No.2084955

>>2084898
>Everything which can be classified as art has a purpose.
Haha, no.
Joke's on you for not knowing that art has no purpose to serve.
And I don't know what you're rambling on about on dictionaries, you're obviously an idiot if you can't understand the meaning of a word.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:26:30 2009 No.2084960 >>2084938 It is not art if it was created simply to be art. This argument is as circular as a bicycle wheel. "All art has a purpose, because art without a purpose isn't art".

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:27:35 2009 No.2084964 OP here. What the fuck?

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:27:41 2009 No.2084965

I play touhou about once or twice a month. I don't read doujins because most of them are retarded.
I was neither impressed nor unimpressed with the anime, but I was entertained. Also I do give a nod of respect to the makers- fans coming together and making an anime on something they like is noteworthy. Fuck, American fans can't do shit except write terribad fanfiction and jerk each other off over how clever they think themselves.

I watched the anime again while watching this, just to spite you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:28:47 2009 No.2084972 >>2084964 I don't know, dude. I told them to stop fighting!

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:31:45 2009 No.2084990

>>2084944
>>2084960
Art must have a purpose. It's a simple fact. It is what it is. You don't need to prove it--that's what it is and that is what it always will be.

If you want some more justification, think about how art began. I think you'll realize something.

Also, to the first guy,

>you're obviously an idiot if you can't understand the meaning of a word.
You're obviously an idiot if you think you know every word.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:34:55 2009 No.2085001 >>2084965 Because the entire Western Touhou fanbase is in America, right?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:36:06 2009 No.2085002 File: 22 KB, 231x251, 1234665366040.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>2084955 Ah, I see. I knew you had misspelled dictionaries. You should have deleted the post more quickly, aniki.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:36:33 2009 No.2085005 >>2085001 I heard most of them were in Iran.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:36:47 2009 No.2085007 >>2084972 I went out to have dinner and expected my thread to have 404'd, but not this. Anyways about this art thing.. nah I'm not going to join this discussion.

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:38:35 2009 No.2085012

>>2084990

>Art must have a purpose. It's a simple fact. It is what it is. You don't need to prove it--that's what it is and that is what it always will be.

"This is the case, because I say it is the case. You are wrong, because I say you are wrong."
Please explain why art must have a meaning of some greater degree than "looking pretty"/"being art".
How exactly do you tell the difference between a painting with a deep inner meaning and one that was put in a gallery because it was a well-done portrait?

>If you want some more justification, think about how art began. I think you'll realize something.
It's been a fair while since we lived in caves. You don't think the meanings associated with art might just have changed a teeny bit in all that time?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:40:40 2009 No.2085019 >>2085012 >It's been a fair while since we lived in caves. You don't think the meanings associated with art might just have changed a teeny bit in all that time? They have, for many. The result has, invariably, been trash. Hot Topic trash, mostly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:41:39 2009 No.2085022 >>2085019 Oh, are we back to the MY OPINION IS BETTER THAN YOURS argument, again?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:42:30 2009 No.2085028 >>2085019 But what if I love Hot Topic?

Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:45:06 2009 No.2085044

1. The conscious production or arrangement of sounds, colors, forms, movements, or other elements in a manner that affects the sense of beauty, specifically the production of the beautiful in a graphic or plastic medium.
2. The study of these activities.
3. The product of these activities; human works of beauty considered as a group.

2. High quality of conception or execution, as found in works of beauty; aesthetic value.

>sense of beauty
>human works of beauty
>works of beauty; aesthetic value.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:46:00 2009 No.2085045 File: 49 KB, 500x500, 1234665960766.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:46:43 2009 No.2085046 >>2085028 >But what if I love Hot Topic? You probably do, faggot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 21:48:27 2009 No.2085055 >>2085044 STOP PROVING MY POINT. I get it already!

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 14 22:26:10 2009 No.2085205 It was a nice watch to say the least. I actually liked the art and the animation is better than in many commercial tv anime. Why is everyone complaining? There is no universal truth when it comes to good or bad, or entertaining or boring.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 15 01:30:56 2009 No.2085927 considering the amount of budget they have, I suppose the anime ver was good enough

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