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What's the appeal with Visual Novels?

Why not just read a book or watch a tv show?

>> No.2082389

What's the appeal with ____?

Why not just ___ a ___ or ___ a ___?

>> No.2082390

Sex scenes.

>> No.2082391

Why use imageboards when I can read the newspaper and discuss it with all my friends?

>> No.2082394

Books are not as appealing to me.

TV is boring as fuck because
of shit shows everywhere.

>> No.2082396

What's the appeal with imageboards?

Why not just read a read a textboard or use danbooru?

>> No.2082397

>>2082383
TV sucks hard, and it's longer than a book and has music.

>> No.2082403

Because some things in VNs are not available in books. That said, I barely read VNs anymore.

>> No.2082405

>>2082397
>longer than a book
Try reading a real book.

>> No.2082410

>>2082403

Why couldn't it just be a .txt?

>> No.2082412

>>2082405
I don't think the lad wants to read war and peace with mollusks and vampires.

>> No.2082414

_____ ___ ______ ____ ______ ______?

___ ___ ____ ____ _ ____ __ _____ _ __ __ ____?

>> No.2082416

Books and TV shows don't let you choose your own waifu

>> No.2082420
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sex

>> No.2082427
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>>2082416

I beg to differ

>> No.2082433

>>2082427
Is that kid the main character? He looks like a bitch

>> No.2082436

>>2082383
It's not the medium that matters.
Be it book, videogame, movie, series, comics etc is secondary.
It's the content, mostly.

The creator decided to do it THAT way, if you want it, suck it up.

>> No.2082438

>>2082433

you're the main character

so if you're a bitch

then yes

>> No.2082441

>>2082427
I don't want a supercomputer for a wife.

>> No.2082445

>>2082410
Well, it could be. But VNs are written to go along with visuals to represent the characters. Also the music is sometimes nice. If book version were written, I'd take those over the VNs.

>> No.2082449

>>2082436

why waste that effort to go with a VN? It's most certainly not the most popular media outlet.

S/he'd get more reads if it was just a plain .txt.

>> No.2082454

visual novels has GAR and epic characters

books are shit

>> No.2082455

>>2082449
Because you can hardly market .txt as an interactive game.
Why go watch movies, you could just read the script.
Why play videogames, you could just read the scenario.
Same with every other media.

>> No.2082458

>>2082454
>I've never read a book, ever.

>> No.2082456

>>2082449
It's actually NOT that much different than a first person perspective adventure game.
Take out the puzzles and stick CHOICES and multiple paths.
It's not that ALIEN.
And it's quite popular in one specific country (taking production cost and sales ration into account) that matters to them.

>> No.2082475

The text is revealed one line at a time, so you don't accidentally read ahead and spoil the sequencing.

>> No.2082470

>>2082455
>>2082456

How can you call it an interactive game when all you are doing is reading text and either deciding to read the book this way or read the book that way?

Games require gameplay to be games.

It's just a PC book with pictures to show what the characters look like so you don't have to use your own imagination.

Babies first story.

>> No.2082476

Books hurt my back and neck and I have more fun playing the vidya.

True story.

>> No.2082477

Because some visual novels are actually, you know, games as well. Not everything is click click click *choice* click click click *sex scene*

>> No.2082480

Books are tsumaranai(boring in Japanese)

>> No.2082482

>>2082477
That's what you call eroge.

>> No.2082484

>>2082470
Well, it's like a comic book.
I don't think anyone here thinks VNs are the paradigm of human litterature.

>> No.2082490

>>2082470
You enjoy your "north, north, get sword, south, south."

>> No.2082486

Every book can be ported as a visual novel without losing any content.
The same cannot be said for the opposite direction.
Conclusion: Visual novels are superior to books.

>> No.2082488

>>2082475
I do this all the time. I can't help scanning the next 4 lines down as I read a book, and I jump around all the time if I see something more interesting. In other words, my eyes have ADHD.

>> No.2082491

>>2082477
Not OP, but I've yet to see a VN with gameplay that wasn't dogshit, both in terms of gameplay and plot.

>> No.2082493

>>2082470
What we refer as VNs and are usually translated are pretty much CHOOSE-YOUR-OWN-ADEVNTURE digital.

JP people call the WHOLE bunch adventure games, and they also have their dating sims.

And it's not just about 'HUR DUR, Cannot use imagination', sometimes the creator wants to give you a pretty specific image.

>> No.2082497

>>2082490
2n,get sword,2s,kill faggot,get all from corpse

>> No.2082498

>>2082470
For visual novels with gameplay, see:
Phoenix Wright
Time Hollow
Utawarerumono
Princess Waltz
Every story based JRPG ever

>> No.2082499

>>2082491
The 'gameplay' is not the focus, plus you have very limited experience. Thus, your opinion.

>> No.2082503

>>2082383
I think I have The Answer for you.

See what I did there?

>> No.2082507

>>2082498
ITT we think everything from Japan with text is a visual novel.

>> No.2082510

>>2082491
see
>>2082498
except the last three.

>> No.2082511

>>2082498
JRPG's aren't VN's (with few exceptions), Uta is dogshit in all areas, and I can't speak for Time Hollow or Princess Waltz. Phoenix Wright I'll give you.

>> No.2082512

Nowadays, the only media I like is music, books, VNs, and anime.

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>>2082511
Time Hollow is an awesome little story, get it.

>> No.2082517

viasual novels suck

>> No.2082519

>>2082507
The term visual novel hasn't been properly defined at all.
In /jp/, we'd call Sound Novels, Kinetic Novels, ADV games, and NVL games all with the blanket term Visual Novel.

>> No.2082520

Visual novels are really immersive. Compare Higurashi's anime and the original VN and you'll see.

>> No.2082521

I'll see visual-novels as a respectable medium for storytelling when they make the complete works of Dostoevsky into VNs.

Until then, it's just shitty fiction with pictures.

>> No.2082524

>>2082519
More proof /jp/ doesn't know shit about anything.

>> No.2082525

Nowadays, the only media I like is music, VNs, certain indie games, books and anime.

>> No.2082526

>>2082517
Enjoy fapping to your text. Now BOTH of your arms will be tired!

>> No.2082532

>>2082519
There's really no fucking difference between sound novels and visual novels.

>> No.2082529

>>2082470
VNs are good for those of us who lack imagination

>> No.2082530

inb4 girl like breasts

>> No.2082537

>>2082532
You mean besides one of them has voices and the other FUCKING DOESN'T?

>> No.2082535

>>2082524
It's not really /jp/s fault.
Since Japan has Datings Sims and Adventure games as the BIG BUCKETS, in order to not confuse them with tthe usual image of Adventure games, someone came up with a VN.

But many of these have either minimal gameplay, may or may not have 'paths', minigames, sub focus (like strategy or small rpg elemenst) that it's more of a vague term rather then the BUCKET everything belongs.

>> No.2082536

Planescape: Torment is pretty much the best western visual novel.

>> No.2082541

>>2082537
Tsukihime is a visual novel isn't it? It has no voices

>> No.2082542

I figure when I eventually get kicked out of my parent's house, library books will be the only form of entertainment I have, so I don't want to spend to much time on them now.

>> No.2082546

>>2082541
I TROL U XDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>> No.2082557
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>>2082511
>JRPG's aren't VN's (with few exceptions)
Take away the gameplay, and just look at a typical JRPG script. The dialog looks like this:

[Character Portrait(s)]
[Speaking Character's Nametag]:
[Speaking Character's dialog]

Look familiar?

>> No.2082554

>>2082537
So, giving it voice acting makes it a sound novel? so Clannad is a visual novel and Clannad Full Voice is a sound novel? Retarded. Besides, that's not even always true, Higurashi was called a sound novel and had no voice acting.

>> No.2082556

I like VNs because of the choose your own adventure aspect and the personalized writing style/content.
You'd have a hard time finding a book in which the main purpose is creating a situation where lots of sex can occur along with manfantasies and whatnot.

Recently read some romance novels and they are pretty much the same thing, but better though. Wish writers were half as good as romance novelists.

>> No.2082561

>>2082535
They're called eroge or simply "game".

There's a minimum text necessary to classify something as a visual novel, and as the name says, it's like an interactive novel. It feels like one.

Calling Utawarerumono, Princess Waltz and Final Fantasy visual novels is plain retarded.

>> No.2082569

What's the appeal with apples?

Why not just have an orange or a banana?

>> No.2082572

>>2082554
I TROL U 2 XDDDDDDDDDDDD

>> No.2082573

>>2082557
Except Disgaea doesn't feel like a book at all. Even if you take away all the gameplay. Learn the difference.

>> No.2082583

>>2082575
Planetarian is a kinetic novel.

>> No.2082575

>>2082537
Planetarian is a sound novel. It has voices.
Umineko is a sound novel. It doesn't have voices.

Sumaga is a visual novel. It has voices.
Tsukihime is a visual novel. It doesn't have voices.

>> No.2082581

>>2082557
They don't typical look like that, very few jRPGs use character portraits.

>> No.2082585

>>2082573
VNs don't really feel like books either, despite the name.

>> No.2082586

>>2082581
Well, not in the way VNs have character portraits. Lots of jrpgs do use mug shot type things.

>> No.2082588

>>2082575
FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUU

I TROL U

LOL 3 PPL FALL 4 MY XPERT TROL XD

>> No.2082601

>>2082561
Utaware and Princess Waltz ARE visual novels.

>> No.2082602

>>2082585
You could play games like Tsukihime for example even without any visuals at all. That's what it means.

>> No.2082605

>>2082557

Well, Disgaea is a pretty blatant example. It is true though. The better JRPGS out there manage to make it feel like the VN part and the gameplay part are integrated and interrelated. Most mediocre JRPGS seem that way because its like, plot for 15 minutes, oh heres a dungeon for you to fuck around in for an hour, ok back to the plot, rinse, repeat.

>> No.2082611

>>2082602
And you can take away the pictures from Disgaea and just read the script.

>> No.2082614

>>2082601
Only in your bizarre world.

And shitty places like Hongfire where they call everything visual novels because it makes they favorite porn games feels more mature.

>> No.2082628

>>2082621
Repeat your words again, and find the key word.

>> No.2082621

>>2082614
That's why... they're marketed as VNs?

>> No.2082622

>>2082614
If you took away the card-battle parts from Princess Waltz it'd be entirely normal visual novel.

>> No.2082629

>>2082611
And you couldn't understand jack shit about what's going on.

Face the facts, Disgaea depends on gameplay to make sense. Tsukihime for example depends only on text. That's why it's called a visual fucking novel. It's because it's almost like you're reading a novel. A real novel, the book you know what it is right?

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>>2082573
Visual novels don't read like books. They read like plays with narration.
>>2082581
The portrait's not what matters. JRPGs typically are written in the format of [name]:[dialog] instead of how books use variations on these:
"[dialog]," [name] said.
[name] said "[dialog]."
"[dialog]," [name] said [adverb], "[more dialog]"

>> No.2082634

>>2082621
No. They marketed as game.

You idiots call it visual novel because it's cooler.

>> No.2082635

>>2082629
If it was to be a book it would probably want to be more descriptive.

>> No.2082636

>>2082629
Disgaea is a bad example. You'd do much better if you played Persona 4 on beginner. But even so, in it there's much more visual than novel.

>> No.2082637

>>2082634
Hey, don't look at me. I think they're shit. But they're still VNs.

>> No.2082639

>>2082633
Chrono Trigger has maps now?

>> No.2082640

What is appeal of toohoo?

>> No.2082644

>>2082575
those four are some good Vn's

>> No.2082645

>>2082639

DS version

>> No.2082646

>>2082637
Right, right. Keep telling yourself that.

>> No.2082647

>>2082634
Give me a better word then. Eroge? Not all of them are ero. In fact, I don't even like the word "game". There is no gameplay usually, there are only choices, and books with choices aren't called games

>> No.2082648

>>2082633
I was pointing it out because you were saying the use of a portrait is like a VN. And lots of other video games have dialogue in this form, they're not VNs.

>> No.2082651

>>2082646
>I got told so i sage XD

>> No.2082653

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>> No.2082660

>>2082647
They call it erotic games in Japan. What's the problem? Not cool enough for you?

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Using The World Ends with You in the OP's image:
Speech bubbles point to the torso/crotch of the character portrait.
TWEWY is a visual novel with touch screen scratchan gameplay inbetween the story segments.

>> No.2082669

>>2082660
Now you're just obviously trolling. I explained that in my post. You can't call Clannad or Ever17 "ero games", it makes no fucking sense.

>> No.2082671

>>2082669
They are called eroge, that's how it is. Get over it.

>> No.2082673

>>2082671
They're also called Visual Novels. I'll take the one that makes more sense, thanks.

>> No.2082674

>>2082660
Actually, stuff like Little Busters and Chaos;Head don't count as eroges even in Japan.

>> No.2082675

>>2082671
Isn't it sad?

>> No.2082682

>>2082674
Yes, they're called all ages PC games. That's how it is.

>> No.2082686

>>2082644
Right. But Planetarian and Umineko are called sound novels by KEY and 07th Expansion.
...Similarly Nitro+ calls Sumaga "Life Revenge Adventure".

>> No.2082689

>>2082667
Not a VN since you spend more time in fighting than reading the story. The amount of text is not high enough, and the game is not built around it.

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I can't wait to see people calling Sengoku Rance a visual novel when it gets translated.

>> No.2082695

>>2082692
>when it gets translated.
;_;

>> No.2082718

This is like /m/ and the 3x thread....

>> No.2082721

>>2082692
I can't wait to set off on a quest to rape the women of many kingdoms when it get translated.

>> No.2082723

>>2082692
Have any of the earlier games been translated? Starting with the latest part is probably a bad idea.

>> No.2082775

books don't have music or graphics

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>>2082723
No and probably never will.

If Sengoku interest you enough you could check the older games using Atlas since there's absolutely nothing complicated about the story.

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>>2082791
Fascinating.

>> No.2082825

>>2082818
I invite all sages and silent onlookers.

>> No.2082840

>>2082791
Get out

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>>2082840

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>>2082844

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>>2082853
>>2082844
>>2082791

>> No.2082871

>>2082383
Oh Joshua you CAD.

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>>2082859

>> No.2082874

>>2082791
>Atlas
Best tool ever. Without it, i would be limited to play shit translated games like Wanko and Fate.

>> No.2082889

>>2082869
You're a falasol?

>> No.2082903

VN's can set an atmosphere normal books can't. And as for tv..don't even get me started.

>> No.2082909

>>2082869
No anon, you're the falaaasol.

>> No.2082913

>>2082671
Actually they're not.

>> No.2082914

>>2082909
And then Anon was musical scale.

>> No.2082980

I want sappy romance stories/trashy action novel, except with pictures and music. I read more than enough books normally. Sometimes, all a man wants is a cute girl and a manly dude in a story.

>> No.2083005

You people do realize that even the Japanese don't keep these terms straight, right? There are times where you'll see standard adventure games marketed as visual novels.

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