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JAPAN WILL RISE AGAIN

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and fall.

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THE SOUTH WILL RISE AGAIN!

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once lightsabers are perfected Japan shall rise again

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>>2065753
Those sabers will fall in bad hands and you know it.

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if it means a new class of samurai I'm all for it

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>>2065518
Rise from what? JApan has never been mightier than in the Post WW2-era. At one point in the 80's they had the largest economy in the world, now they're "only" second, even after a 10 year long recession, and a falling population.

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>>2065769
FUCKHEAD

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>>2065794
Yep, with US protection to spend less militarily plus post WW2 reconstruction and westernization, Japan is a powerhouse.

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The thought of Japan ever even trying to aggressively do something militarily again is humourous. If you honestly think they would ever stand a chance in any military conflict with a reasonable power, you need to do some reading.

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>>2065848
yeah, same thing goes for Germany. So much for their alliance hehe.

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>>2065848
It depends. How long are you giving them to prepare/research weaponry? They have some of the best technology in the world. Type-90 tanks are up there with Leopard/Abrams as some of the best in the world. Japan could have nuclear missiles in as little as 6 months if necessary.

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>>2065879
Lol Gundams.

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>>2065925
0/10

Japan has all the technology needed for an extremely advanced military, its just in civilian sectors. They don't need to develop it, just apply it to military use. It wouldn't be a stretch to say Japan could have its own stealth fighters, UAVs, and nuclear arsenal in a few years if it tried. A navy would be harder as ships are time consuming and expensive to build and maintain.

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>>2065879
Germany had the best tech in WWII and look where it got them. There are other factors besides tech.

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>>2065925
Well frankly now i wouldn't be surprised if the japanese military came out with the first bipedal mobile units to replace it's actual tanks. It'd be one huge kick in the balls for the rest of the world anyway.

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>>2065971
Raped everyone for 3 years until the tide of the industrialized world was completely against them?

We haven't defined any hypothetical situations, so the point you're trying to make is invalid. The point is Japan has the potential to gear up to a top class military in a short time if needed.

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>>2065879

>Type-90 tanks are up there with Leopard/Abrams as some of the best in the world.

LOL. Just go back discussing about how katanas can cleave anything and stop making yourself any more of an ass.

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>>2065971
So by reasonable power, you mean the rest of the world?

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>>2065975
Aim cannon at the legs, shoot, watch the machine fall down and laugh.

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>>2065996
Except for their birth problem

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>>2065988
The profile of the Type 90 is similar to the original German Leopard 2 without the sloped armor, (Leopard 2 to 2A4) but unlike the Leopard 2, the Type 90 uses modular ceramic and steel composite armor, [3] common in contemporary post-1990s tank designs. The adoption of modular composite armor design facilitates the upgrading and exchange of the armor, and its frontal armor is tested to be effective against 120 mm APFSDS projectiles from the L44 gun, while the side armor of the turret is capable of defeating up to 35 mm APDS (Armor penetration of 90 millimeters of RHA at one kilometer) projectiles.

The Type 90 is smaller than most main battle tanks with a height of 2.33 meters, a width of 3.33 meters, and weighing in at 50.2 tonnes. It was designed with a distinctive low-slung turret with boxy, vertical sides and a long overhanging bustle. In comparison, the Leopard 2A4's dimensions are 2.48 meters high and 3.70 meters with a weight of 55.2 tonnes.

The Type 90 mounts a licensed copy of the Rheinmetall L44 120 mm smoothbore cannon product by Japan Steel Works Limited. This is the same gun that is mounted on the American Abrams, German Leopard 2, South Korean K1A1 and Israeli Merkava III/IV tanks.

Since its introduction, there have been several upgrades to the fire-control system including the addition of a Yttrium-Aluminium-Garnet laser rangefinder with a range of 300 to 5,000 meters, a 32-bit ballistics analysis computer, an improved thermal imaging systems and Automated-tracking systems as well as improved gun stabilization. The FCS also has an automated tracking systems and is capable of engaging moving or stationary targets while moving at day and night. The automatic target tracking system uses a thermal image display which can be controlled by either the tank gunner or commander. It is capable of tracking soldiers, vehicles and helicopters. The targeting computer can also calculate lead on moving targets.

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>>2066019

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dupnqSjnW4

Forecast International 2004
—Re-evaluates Main Battle Tank Market—
「Japan's Type 90, by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, maintains its third-place position on the Forecast International list. Drawing heavily on German Leopard 2 technology, the Type 90 is arguably the most technologically advanced main battle tank in service today.

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>>2066019
A-10.
Sorry, you said tank?

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>>2066006
You realize i said replace tanks for a reason there. Bipedal mobile units would outmaneuver any tank in the production models anyway.

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>>2066031
Yes, because it wouldn't be the US Japan is going against, it would be some 70s and 80s technology Asian shithole like North Korea or China.

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>>2065996
technology only gets you so far. They lack the man power, they don't field a current military and that takes years of training (let alone the time it takes to get your tactics down), and they don't really have the resources to shit out the equipment needed fast enough to keep up (well, they can import it like they do everything else, but when you are in a war that is NOT a very good option).

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>>2066038
I'll amuse you little troll.
I ask you how, how are they going to outmanuver tanks? You know, what you see in aminu ain't real.

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>>2066038
Sorry to burst your bubble but a bipedal unit is not suitable for warfare at all. It makes great sci-fi, but that's it.

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>>2066038
Hate to break it to you, but tanks will always be superior in both mobility and firepower to bipedal walkers, except in mountaneous and urban enverionments. And in those situations, it's usually better to use infantry than hueg armored things.

TLDR: Gundams irl suck.

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>>2066048
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_active_troops

JSDF has 238,000 active, trained personnel. More then the UK, more then Canada Australia and NZ combined. They're slightly behind France. While thats not up there with China, Russia, the US, India, and North Korea, thats a good deal of manpower.

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>>2066041
The A-10 and the Mi-24 were around in the 70s and 80s ( I know the Mi-24 is ued by a lot of 3rd world countries, don't think the A-10 is, and I don't remember what the Chinese version is). Have fun with your old tech that still trashes tanks.

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>>2066069
I'm aware, and you need a lot more than that to go on the offensive, and that takes a lot of time.

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The United States has asked Japan to rearm on several occasions, but Japan has always refused on the basis that it violates their constitution. They are done with being dicks for a while, apparently.

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>>2066049
>>2066051
Surprisingly i ain't trolling tonight.

Well first of all everything was all hypothetical but i just meant it wouldn't be so surprising if it did happen though.

Second of all they wouldn't spend a shitload of research on it if it wouldn't be able to replace the best ground unit atm namely the tank. I can't say exactly what they would use to make it move because i'd be fucking rich if i did but it definitely won't rely on pistons/tracks or anything that might be used today if this would be attempted.

Anyway the issue remains it would be able to outperform a tank simply because if it didn't the project would simply be scraped.

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Tanks are a dying breed in modern warfare.

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It's like I'm really in /k/.

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>>2066071
No one but the US has the A-10. Closest thing to the A-10?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanchang_Q-5
>based on the Soviet MiG-19.
LOL 1950s technology.

Also Japan has J2s and F15s and wouldn't be dumb enough not to give armor proper air support.

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>>2066090
The USDoD did/funded research (DARPA?) into similar things a long time ago and scrapped it. I will be interested in seeing how they over come the following problems:
stability
keeping the legs from breaking when moving
keeping it from sinking into the ground
making it able to support itself while armored
able to deal with the larger profile due to weapons/ammo/ect... being vertically stored instead of horizontal

I can see a mobile suit being useful for construction and there have been some interesting advances in that direction in the civilian sector, but all DoD interest in bipedal suits has seemed to wane (though they do still have interest in quadrupedal robots/parabots).

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>>2066105
I thought there was an Mi-24 or an AH-64 copy floating around as well, but I could be mistaken.

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>>2066104
They also still hold interest in exoskeletons for combat engineers. However, that particular project is marred by the fact the power source is too heavy.

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>>2066108
CAIC WZ-10 is the current Chinese Anti-tank helicopter

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>>2066105
CAS is not only provided by specifically built aircraft (like the A-10), you can use fighters or even bombers to do it.

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>>2066105

>F15

Most of their fighter fleet are F16s by this time and they're working on upgrading them. A couple years ago the US turned down an offer to sell the F22, so they decided to build their own super duper stealth fighter.

Waste of money though if you ask me. Although I guess for Japan a strong, defensive fighter fleet would be more useful than for the US, who SHOULD be slowly working towards retiring her carrier groups.

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>>2066135
And? Q-5 is still the closest in relation to the US's A-10.

You can provide close air support in a fucking transport, thats what the AC-130 was before they slapped some cannons on it.

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>>2066147
I know, the A-10 rapes tanks and it's great at it.
But the objective is to destroy the fancy Japanese tank, and the A-10 is not the only tool to do it.

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>>2066104
Well let's see keeping the legs from breaking rather requires a really sturdy joint system that could transfer the pressure evenly throughout the leg, than actual rigid materials.

Preventing it from sinking in sand or mud would be a bigger concern imo because for normal ground even a decently designed footprint would be more than enough.

The whole stability problem in different armed versions or with different loads on it in general though is in my opinion going to be software based by adjusting the actual mechanisms that make it walk for each of the occasions (some sort of presets for every occasion and in case of unexpected loads the program would be reset by either someone or by an auto setting where the system itself balances the unit to cope for the change in weight).

Again as i said all hypothetical. It's just that it wouldn't surprise me if they indeed crack all those issues

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>>2066185
What's the necessity? To jump, wield katanas and be look cool?

Let's imagine that your delusion is made reality and you have your real life mecha. A soldier fires an upgraded version of the Javelin. Bye bye.

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>>2066185
Please proceed and make a thread in /k/ about it right now.

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>>2066114
My point exactly the problem that needs to be cracked the most is being able to make it as light but as strong as possible and in my opinion that means, yes, light materials but also i would getting rid of the engine completely and start development of something based on human muscles. They already developed a few one man power suits on that concept that are incredibly bulky but quite ingenious. My bet is that that kind of system is what could move a bipedal mobile unit also allowing it to be as light as possible.

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>>2066222
Again the point of it is to replace tanks so it's mobility or defences would probably have something to cope with that.

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>>2066265
I image that when we do have the technology to build lightsaber wielding giant kung fu mechas, we'd be building PEW PEW flying tanks instead.

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>>2066265
We have helicopters for mobility.

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>>2066293
Err well then why aren't you replacing all the tanks with helicopters then? As i stated before this will hypothetically be made to replace the best ground unit atm namely the tank. Not any air units.

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>>2066324
For holding ground. A mobile acrobatic light mecha would be nothing but a helicopter that does not fly.

>best ground unit
There is no best ground unit, you have been playing too much games.

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Robots have a bright future ahead of them in the military, but instead of being big and piloted, they will be tiny, super fast, and remotely/self-operated. Imagine an unmanned IFV the size of a dog that can scale sheer surfaces and fire a Javelin from a concealed position 10cm above the ground, that can look in all directions at once, identify a target, aim, and fire at it faster than any human gunner. robots that small, fast, and manoeuvrable could only be fought against by similar robots.

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>>2066324
And what's wrong with the tank? Besides that it doesn't jump or wield animu weapons.

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Even when people can build mechas, tanks would stil dominate, simply because tanks are much easier to mass produce due to their simpler design and mature technology. With all those intricate joints thiner chassis I doubt that mechas are as durable as tanks. Thirdly it is obvious that the mecha would be far, far harder to pilot than a tank. More resources must be diverted to training pilots to drive a mecha, which would be more beneficial devoted elsewhere, like making MORE tanks.

If anything, science will progress in making hovertanks, even flying tanks. But no mechas. That shit is only cool in animu.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

Suppose full scale mechs would work well for construction or engineering work, where just scaling up the human frame would be handy in places.
For example, there was a big fire in my hometown that levelled a corner of a block (say, about equivalent to 2 average houses) about two months ago. Using an excavator with wide tracks and a single arm, they still aren't done clearing out the area two months later. Part because of the limited space to work in, but also since half the clearing work has to be done by hand to avoid damaging the houses that are still standing. A large humanoid mech would require far less dead space to work with than most other engineering vehicles, and would likely be sensitive enough to perform delicate work.
For mechs in warfare, there are just too many problems to work around.

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>>2066609

>hovertanks

Is such "hover" technology even real? I mean, power enough to lift a tank, I know that Hovercrafts do exist.

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>>2066552
You don't need to fire a javelin with that.

Make it a bit smaller give him some small arms and just go assassinate whatever enemy leader you have to to win your war.

And in case you don't have any leader to focus on, just use whatever drone plane you have to wipe out their troops.

Next wars will be boring.

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>>2066643
Well i guess that's the only way a tank could hover but that would be a totally different machine. You would need a thruster instead of the tracks and because of the weight it would be a pain to control. Also after all these modifications it wouldn't actually be a hovertank but an armored hovercraft with a gun.

As far as the bipedal units it's not like they would replace tanks right away but most likely in time they would get easier to drive, have better defense, offensive capabilities would also increase and it would overall evolve way faster than a tank that would simply because a tank would already have been been milked of most of it's capabilities by that time.

Also don't start thinking OH SHI- GUNDAMZ FFFFFF!!!111 because the first operational ones would in fact be really crude and only way later versions would start looking somewhat decent ... even so i doubt it would look like anything out of any animu.

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>>2066733
Please, go learn some physics and stop watching cartoons and Sci-Fi movies.

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>>2066763
Err please elaborate. You say hovertanks are a better possibility then?

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>>2066802
Even if both hovertanks and bipedal fighting mechas are possible, the former would still make far better investments. Do realize that the issue of bipedal fighting mechas has been discussed to death, shit just won't work. Only naive teenage fanboys still think it would.

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no anon, soon the 日本共産党 will rise!

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>>2067172

That's true - the only way larger models even would be realizable if some sort of compensator technology (ie, variable weight) to make it more balanced and maneuverable; and even then, it'd need to have some easier control mechanism (ie, mind and muscle response to control signal) to be superior to using a tank.

Powered exoskeleton research has started to pick up, though these are small scale of course.

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>>2067178
You are baka!

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>>2065518

Well yeah. That's how it gets the food it's mother left by it's door.