I miss Japan so fucking much. I'm so fucking depressed I wish I could just live there and work there. But learning Japanese is so hard for me it doesn't stick. I miss it so much. I wish I had been born there fuck I miss it so fucking much. It's not fair.

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Anonymous Wed Jan 2 05:41:34 2019 No.20544381 [DELETED]

I miss Japan so fucking much. I'm so fucking depressed I wish I could just live there and work there. But learning Japanese is so hard for me it doesn't stick. I miss it so much. I wish I had been born there fuck I miss it so fucking much. It's not fair.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 05:45:36 2019 No.20544389 >it doesn't stick You haven't even tried.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 05:48:16 2019 No.20544395 >>20544389 I did I swear. I tried self learning. Then I tried actual paid classes with a teacher. I tried apps. I'm a fucking idiot loser. I hate myself.

Anonymous Wed Jan 2 05:50:58 2019 No.20544404

>>20544395
There is no such thing as being too stupid to learn a natural language. There are people with 70% of your IQ making it. Learning is mostly dedication, little intelligence. Immerse yourself and grind vocabulary, it's impossible not to eventually get around to becoming fluent. Use the DJT thread, and yes, classes are shit.
>>20536324

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 05:59:15 2019 No.20544418 >>20544395 Just read lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 06:21:50 2019 No.20544492 >>20544418 What do you mean?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 06:28:22 2019 No.20544519 Learn an 'easier' language first, then try Japanese again. Knowing another language besides Burgerese helps with further learning.

Anonymous Wed Jan 2 06:32:33 2019 No.20544541

>>20544492
He means looking at letters that are arranged into words that are arranged into sentences that are arranged into paragraphs that preferably constitute a compelling story or similar.
It's actually one of the very few things that'll actually make you effectively learn a language.

>>20544519
This is bad advice. It won't help with Japanese at all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 06:39:05 2019 No.20544568 >>20544492 DJT catchphrase. Basically just actually absorb the language daily and with Japanese you need to remember kanji so absorb it in written form and you'll get good at it. By the way it doesn't mean "just read DJT daily".

Anonymous Wed Jan 2 06:41:44 2019 No.20544580

>>20544541
It's not about Japanese, it's about getting over the hump of learning another language besides your native one. Once you're over that initial hump, it becomes easier to learn nearly any other language from there.
Of course, he could still tough it out with Japanese. From the looks of it he may be wasting effort though.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 06:44:40 2019 No.20544590 >>20544580 Stop posting bad advice, you might actually make newcomers fall for your time waste.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 06:50:18 2019 No.20544606 >>20544590 can't be any worse than the e-celeb fuckery in the DJT thread.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 06:52:03 2019 No.20544613 >>20544580 It's ok to just learn the language you want, dude.

Anonymous Wed Jan 2 07:06:09 2019 No.20544646

>>20544580
If I learn Spanish I'll get fluent in a year and have false expectations about foreign languages being almost the same thing as English. If pick Polish it'll take too long and will still be useless due to no overlap with Japanese. Not to mention there's culture to both languages and I just want my otaku shit, not Latin American television. What kind of advice is this.

Anonymous Wed Jan 2 07:14:53 2019 No.20544674

>>20544646
Do you even know another language? Can you even think in a completely different way than the one you grew up with? If you can't do that you will never become fluent in any language besides Burger.
If you want to keep bashing your head on the Japanese 101 wall, I won't stop you. You'll find company with the rest of the DJT regulars.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 07:19:59 2019 No.20544698 >>20544674 Throw yourself off a cliff, troll.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 07:23:59 2019 No.20544708 >>20544381 >>>/trv/

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 07:29:26 2019 No.20544733 >>20544580 I already know French and English. I'm a native French speaker and learned English.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 07:30:33 2019 No.20544739 >>20544674 So if you only speak burger you won't ever learn anything other than burger, and to get past this you need to need a language other than burger? You seem confused

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 07:43:06 2019 No.20544789 >>20544708 I've already been to Japan. 6 times in 3 years. That's how I know I miss it so much.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 17:12:37 2019 No.20547905 There are no stable jobs in Japan for foreigners

Anonymous Wed Jan 2 18:19:34 2019 No.20548221

>>20544395
What >>20544395 said, most of it is commitment. It also helps to immerse yourself in the language through situations where you're forced to converse in Japanese. I learned more Japanese in one week in Japan than I did in three months of self taught study because otherwise I wouldn't be able to buy degenerate merchandise or check in to rural ryokan

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 18:21:39 2019 No.20548234 Only dumb weebs want to actually live in Japan. The work:life balance is fucked over there

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 18:46:51 2019 No.20548390 >>20548234 Yep. Visit comiket as much as your wallet will let you, and introduce yourself to a circle if you have any talent and want to contribute or even just give thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 23:26:30 2019 No.20549852 I think I'd quite like to live in Tokyo, but as a software engineer, I'm not sure I could find a good entry into the country that provides for a similar lifestyle/comfort that I enjoy here in the US.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 23:27:50 2019 No.20549860 >>20549852 Tons of U.S companies have offices in Japan and will let you transfer.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 23:32:57 2019 No.20549891 >>20549860 Well, not mine. We've got offices in China, Canada, and Australia -- but not Japan. Maybe I should have done this when I worked at Toshiba, lol. Maybe I can swing this sometime in the future when the opportunity presents itself.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 23:36:06 2019 No.20549909 christmas is shit there so nope

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 23:37:33 2019 No.20549919 >>20549909 Christmas is great. Fried chicken is truly the best Christmas meal.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 2 23:38:19 2019 No.20549924 >>20549919 not at all christmas is literal shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 01:14:09 2019 No.20550273 >>20549909 I love Japanese Christmas because western Christmas is mostly fulfilling familial obligations to show up and prove that I still exist once a year

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 01:35:21 2019 No.20550360 >>20550273 and japanese christmas is...?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 02:03:14 2019 No.20550446 Cool thread OP. Reminds me of how I know Japanese and live in Japan.

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 04:01:44 2019 No.20550881
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>>20544381
I hear you and I feel you my man. I've been crazy about Japan since i was 14. That's 10 years ago and I probably know about 40% of JLPT N5, And I've been stuck there for years,
Then I see these guys who's younger than me who's already fluent, living in Japan with their nice apartment and all that fuckery, proudly posting pictues of their daily life with their japanese friends and I can't stop thinking ''that could be me today''

I can self study Japanese intensively for like.. 4 days and then I fall out of schedule because my brain get's overloaded with trying to remember these inhumane amount of one kanji's stroke orders and remembering the on-yomi and kun-yomi.

I'd be much better off studying in university and going to classroom every day where I won't be distracted by things I have home.
I tried to but I couldn't get accepted this autumn so I have to waste a whole new year waiting to apply to uni again.
I'm scared of the gigantic university debt but fuck it, If I don't I will be stuck with anime glossary for the rest of my life.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 04:09:13 2019 No.20550894 >>20550881 Hentai Dude has the most punchable face ever. btw good luck on studies

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 04:14:58 2019 No.20550914 >>20550881 class room learning is worthless mate, take it from a polyglot that knows more than 12 languages https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2PnItzO0gg

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 04:21:23 2019 No.20550925 >waah anime is shit, reading is boring, I want to go to Japaaaaaan Of course you can't learn Japanese with this mindset. Your fault for being a リア充

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 04:39:25 2019 No.20550961

Just to clarify, having learned Spanish, some Mandarin, and some Japanese:

Learning another language before is utterly counterproductive unless you have an interest or were compelled to learn it before.

It's not like programming or math, where certain concepts are hard-dependent on others. Knowing Chinese might help with kanji or "事 vs 物," but it isn't going to help much at all with something like "は vs が."

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 07:34:25 2019 No.20551561

>>20544381
I feel you, just came back yesterday from my first vacation in Tokyo and feel like utter shit. Actually hoped visiting Japan would somewhat ease my depression but now it seems worse, even started crying and hyperventilating at work and left early. Good thing I was complety alone at the office so I don't have to kill myself for reacting in that way.

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 09:45:54 2019 No.20552239
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>>20548234
Not really. Japan or should I say non rural japan is a convenience heaven.

Living there while say being a freelancer online or having some sort of alternative income aka not working for a Japanese company would be perfect. This is my end goal in life really, but it's probably not going to come true.

I lived in Japan for a few years while studying there. I went back for a month this year.

It's hard to explain how good life there is, I come from Europe and we're already pretty high on the convenience tier.

Take this image, it was 3 am I was done binge watching Yamato 2022 to prepare for the movie that just came out November 2nd I think? I was thirsty so I just went out of my apartment and I had 4 of these vending machines serving me whatever the fuck I wanted. For next to nothing. If I was hungry I could walk for 8 minutes to the Station, all the "fast food" works 24 Yoshinoya, Matsunoya, Matsuya, Sukiya. Not to mention 7-11, Family Markt, Lawson, Aion and Seiyu work 24/7 too.

The area near the train station had about 27+ restaurants of all kinds, all the markets and some specialty stuff like BookOff and such...

So if you need anything at anytime it's there within walking distance of max 20 minutes away.

If you need anything specialized. Theres literal shoping mechas in certain parts of the city that are 30 minutes away. You can see everything and test most of it.

Then theres Japanese Amazon that on time, and delivers anything you could possibly need.

No stolen packets no bullshit.

The cities are free of grafitiy and junk, old people voluntarily go out and clean trash in the parks because fuck it they're good people, no that theres much to clean.

Everyone treats you like a human when you walk into a shop, even if you're a forigner the standard of customer service is through the roof and they take NO TIPS! Fuck me.

The food is amazing, the overall life not counting work is amazing. Shit even the homeless people are on another level not begging and building their own little castles.

Is there dark sides to it? Obviously. It's not all flowers and shit but damn it's probably the best place I can imagine living.

I mean shit even if I was a family man it looks amazing, they teach children how to be proper adults by letting them clean their schools, the kids actually walk to schools until high school or university, then they use trains.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 09:48:05 2019 No.20552250 You only miss it so much because you haven't lived there. I'm a NEET in japan currently, and I don't know if I would miss it as much as I did when I returned home the first time.

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 09:51:14 2019 No.20552269
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I'm in japan right now

pic related: a pic I just took from the taito arcade

also I swear the women are hotter then ever before. I was in Shinjuku and akihabara today and 99% of the female population looks like supermodels. What's going on?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 09:51:43 2019 No.20552272 >>20544389 Unironically this. OP has never knuckled down and worked for anything i'm guessing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 09:53:53 2019 No.20552282 >>20552269 Unironically Yellow Fever

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 09:56:22 2019 No.20552296

>>20552282
it might be, but i've been to hong kong and philippines recently. the former being ok, the latter being mostly ugly. Jap girls aremaking my heart flutter. Possibly because everyone is extremely well dressed for the cold weather. Or too much anime maybe.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 09:58:23 2019 No.20552307 File: 189 KB, 1200x799, Japanese Woman.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20552269 You just look at the good looking ones. Your brain ignores the rest.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 09:58:34 2019 No.20552309 >>20552269 It's probably because you like whatever make-up trend is popular now.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 10:05:17 2019 No.20552340 >>20552309 I'm from the West and I've never been blown away by the women. only in Tokyo has this happened to such an extent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 10:14:02 2019 No.20552402 >>20552340 Careful, you'll trigger the feminists.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 10:23:49 2019 No.20552460 >>20552402 I'm just saying how I feel. why would feminists even browse /jp/?

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 11:40:21 2019 No.20552817

>>20544541
Knowing Spanish has helped me with some pronunciation in Japanese. So, in that sense, it would be helpful to have Spanish under your belt. I wouldn't go out of my way to learn a different language just to eventually learn Japanese, though, that's a waste of time.

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 11:45:29 2019 No.20552847

>>20549891
If you did it while working for Toshiba, you'd end up in a Japanese work environment, so you dodged a bullet there. I'm also a software developer and I also want to be able to work in Japan, but I wouldn't want to do it at a Japanese sweatshop.

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 11:49:12 2019 No.20552865

>>20552847
Ah, good point. Maybe when I'm far along in my career that I have the clout and specialized skills to just do contract work, then...

Or maybe work for an org like Gitlab. Cost of living in Tokyo is probably similar to the COL where I live, so their compensation should be in the ballpark.

Hm. New five-year goal, I think.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 11:53:56 2019 No.20552889 >>20544418 >>20544541 Any beginner reading material to recommend?

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 11:55:49 2019 No.20552896

>>20552865
My goal is similar, become a senior dev in a useful and widely used specialized tech (currently doing devops) hoping that since everyone needs that sort of tech I can find something there. Also working on the language. Perhaps in 5 years, I'll be close.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 12:17:21 2019 No.20553011 >>20552269 make up technology got raised to new levels

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 12:27:16 2019 No.20553064

>>20552896
Nice. I'm a mid-level web frontend/mobile engineer who dabbles in backend tech and deployment and whatnot in my spare time, so I've got my fingers in a lot of pies; I just need to actually git gud beyond my dayjob.

See you in Tokyo in five years, brother.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 12:29:02 2019 No.20553073 >>20552889 /djt/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 12:31:20 2019 No.20553090 File: 884 KB, 865x807, 1544764341620.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20544541 >Japanese >letters arranged into words

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 12:32:16 2019 No.20553097 >>20552817 Any language that pronounces phonetically would help.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 12:41:57 2019 No.20553144 >>20553064 See ya there

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 12:45:49 2019 No.20553169 >>20553090 はい?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 13:02:19 2019 No.20553253 >>20549860 This is my goal in the IT field. I already got my BA and experience under my belt. Just need to get with a company that has a link to Japan and some IT certs along with a JLPT cert to make myself more marketable.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 13:17:45 2019 No.20553323 >>20552269 I agree man. But even the non-fashionable girls, the plain looking girls, the weird nerdy ones I find them all attractive for different reasons it's been a long time since I saw a japanese girl I truly found repulsive or unattractive

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 13:39:37 2019 No.20553455
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I'm curious any old /jp/ers here? Like from way back to the beginning like before /jp/ and theearly jp days so let's say 2004 to 2010. The old guard.

Did you guys ever go to Japan? Did you learn Japanese? Hows life been treating you? Got a good job? Still a neet? Any dreams fulfilled?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 13:42:56 2019 No.20553489 >>20544395 >>20544381 Ding dong diddily, holy fucking cringe. Literally begging you to have sex you pathetic weeb.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 19:28:19 2019 No.20555779 >>20553323 I hear ya. I'm only here for a week but fall in love wherever I look. jap girls in general are so cute.

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 19:33:45 2019 No.20555811

>>20552269
Just came back after 1 year of Japan.

What I have seen there is that those low denier pantyhoses are getting incredibly popular these days.

Damn, that makes their legs look so sexy that I had hard time not to masturbate on them on the trains.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 19:37:49 2019 No.20555836 >>20547905 false they are just rare.

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 19:42:40 2019 No.20555864

>>20552239
I want my sons and daughters to experience that feel so fucking much... goddamnit.

As much as Europe is ruined for next generations the only thing rooting me here is the white genetic lineage, but hell I do not know how much time I can take in this shithole.

Might someday say fuck it all and go create my comfy family in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 19:44:40 2019 No.20555873 >>20552239 Sounds nice. Now to figure out how to make money with freelance or remote work and move there for a bit :/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 20:07:05 2019 No.20555981 >>20552269 nice internet bro

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 20:13:32 2019 No.20556009

>>20550914
different people learn in different ways

For a lazy shit NEET a class and timetable can be useful, like the dude says in the video motivation is king. But Japanese is great because there's a giant wealth of material for self study, easy handholding guides on 4chan and whatever else with anki links with premade decks etc.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 20:21:18 2019 No.20556039 >>20544381 >I wish I had been born there If you had been born there you'd already be contemplating suicide. Learning Japanese as a gaijin is the true path.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 20:46:31 2019 No.20556167 >>20544381 who are you? American? Auzzie? Chinese?/

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 20:58:34 2019 No.20556229 >>20555864 now is a sometime

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 21:32:29 2019 No.20556409 >>20553253 You don't need to know Japanese at all. I went to the Google office in Tokyo and half the people there were gaijins and everyone spoke English.

Anonymous Thu Jan 3 21:47:09 2019 No.20556490

>>20544381
"Never give up on a dream just because of the time it will take to accomplish it. The time will pass anyway."

Also, stop worrying too much on your intelligence, that's what is keeping you from being a genius.
Yeah, I know my words don't make sense, but just think about it a little.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 22:05:03 2019 No.20556571 >>20544395 Have you tried the sticky notes and learning with pain. I bet if you carved those fucking runes into your arm you would remember them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 3 22:06:17 2019 No.20556576 >>20544381 >learning Japanese is so hard for me Yeah, I'm sure.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 07:39:28 2019 No.20559056 This thread is about as sad as the ones in /trv/ with NEETs trying to get laid because they think their pasty whitebread makes the Japanese women want their microdick.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 11:07:39 2019 No.20560209 >>20559056 I agree. Whats with white incels and their love for Japanese females. You're going to japan for culture or weebshit. You're not gonna fuck japs if you do they're gonna be low level 4/10 who will fuck anyone.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 11:10:06 2019 No.20560220 >>20560209 If you're into Japanese chicks, then someone else's 4/10 might be your 6/10. In that sense, if you're scoring at 4/10 in your home grounds, going to Japan to try to get laid makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 11:42:12 2019 No.20560358 >>20560209 >incels reddit be gone

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 11:44:45 2019 No.20560370 I want to visit one more time before I finally end it all as well but it doesnt look like that is gonna happen

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 12:58:02 2019 No.20560733 >>20556409 I'll look more into Google. Thank you.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:02:02 2019 No.20561030

>>20544381
>. I'm so fucking depressed I wish I could just live there and work there
No, you don't you just went on a vacation and had fun. Japan in general is the worst place to live if you have depression since you are always looking for some escapism to crawl into. Feel free to ask questions, I can tell you about the long hours, expensive cost of living, and poor housing environments. You probably just did Tokyo for a week or two then maybe kyoto, big whoop. Until you actually start getting up at 7am to grab the train, to be at work at 830 because you shift starts at 9, and work till 7pm because your shift ends at 5, and get home at 10:30pm because you didn't have to go out with a coworker or some shit. Let me know

>But learning Japanese is so hard for me it doesn't stick
I know IT contractors that work for major companies who know basically no japanese and do fine. Learning japanese is fine and all but usually un-needed depending on the job.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:03:54 2019 No.20561038

>>20547905
>There are no stable jobs in Japan for foreigners
There are not stable good paying jobs, There are TONS of jobs in IT/CS for foriegners you just have to be willing to sell yourself short on compensation and be waiting on hand and foot for people who never want to fix anything. I've seen so much fucking shit like fax machines, companies still sharing dialup with images and stuff disabled via firefox scripts, etc

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:05:29 2019 No.20561049

>>20561030
>But learning Japanese is so hard for me it doesn't stick
>I know IT contractors that work for major companies who know basically no japanese and do fine. Learning japanese is fine and all but usually un-needed depending on the job.

this is such win-win thing. working in western environment but having pretty Japan at your door.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:08:09 2019 No.20561059 >>20561049 Yeah computers/IT is ez mode to get into most countries, not sure why people constantly go to JET so they can end up wanting to shoot their brains out "teaching" japanese english

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:11:39 2019 No.20561085 File: 811 KB, 1104x613, graf.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20552239 >The cities are free of grafitiy and junk nips are experts at hiding that dirt

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:13:57 2019 No.20561091 >>20561059 from what I read the JET will do all the work for you to get there. give you discounted flat etc etc. all that just for being born american/british and having bachelor (gl anyone else. they want native speaks)

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:14:22 2019 No.20561094 >>20544381 Anon just get a Japanese gf like I did. But for real though, stick with it! I believe in you. Where do you think you falter?

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:15:22 2019 No.20561104

>>20561059
JET requires a degree, but it can be in anything. So, English Lit good-for-nothings go the JET route so they can get some sort of income.

>>20561030
How is that work life significantly different than my life right now? Anyway, just don't work for some shitty Japanese company. Working for a western company in Japan is the true way to go. And in regards to cost, I live in California, don't talk to me about expensive cost of living.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:16:59 2019 No.20561112

>>20552239
>The cities are free of grafitiy and junk
AHAHAHAHAHA what? Did you stay in a super niche part of town and rarely go out? It's common to find in Yokohama, Kawazaki, all over Nagoya, Osaka, Northern Tokyo, Chiba, etc. Lemme guess road the trains and looked out the window
>So if you need anything at anytime it's there within walking distance of max 20 minutes away.
So like most america that isn't the midwest? Okay..
>old people voluntarily go out and clean trash in the parks because fuck it they're good people
No.
>The food is amazing, the overall life not counting work is amazing.
The food tastes good but is suprisingly lacking in balanced dietary needs
>Everyone treats you like a human when you walk into a shop
I wish I was this oblivious to things.
>I mean shit even if I was a family man it looks amazing, they teach children how to be proper adults by letting them clean their schools, the kids actually walk to schools until high school or university, then they use trains.
People do it because there is no way for them to get them there otherwise. People are too busy

I think i am replying to pasta though

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:18:57 2019 No.20561123

>>20544381
>waah wah, boo hoo, japanese is too hard for me ;_;
go back to djt. Literally babies can learn japanese. Just from making random baby noises over and over until they get a response from their parents. You have the entire fucking internet and you can't figure it out?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:21:43 2019 No.20561138 >>20561059 >Yeah computers/IT is ez mode to get into most countries So what about being a sysadmin or network engineer? I feel like the only IT jobs are programming.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:25:49 2019 No.20561157

>>20561091
>From what I read the JET will do all the work for you to get there
They help out yeah but not all the work, it's far from that unless you are a top candidate
>give you discounted flat etc etc
IIRC it's an allowance based off a few places to live they picked out for you, it may not always be the most convenient or ideal from teachers I drink with. Many have to travel farther than they thought.
>all that just for being born american/british and having bachelor
Except you have to pay a lot in taxes and other BS, that on top of JET pay being eh, comes out to shit. There is a reason most JET people who are doing it for the long haul warn you it's not about the pay, you won't come out ahead anywhere.

>>20561104
Always on call, expected to wake up early because some snow so bosses text you to wake up extra early for the train, people actively working against you for vacation, long hours and shit to circumvent overtime pay like "be at your desk and sleep(and work when i need you) but that is clock out time!", pay is by far lower since your company is almost always competing against China or Korea rivals, if not a contractor then the stupid company activities are "not required" required to do if you want to last.
>Cali
The amount of tax is like 42-48%(make 100k in cali, lol walk home with 52) last I calculated with my friends working in various locations around greater tokyo, depends on the prefecture. Decent healthcare is shit and expensive, owning a car is lol in any main city, balanced food diets with proper veggies/fruits is insane (ah yes 4 oranges for 798 yen please!).

>>20561138
I do Servers, Storage, Network. Dunno much coding outside some basic bash stuff and powershell, never really use it aside from updating key strings in scripts

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:27:31 2019 No.20561169 >>20561157 So how did you get that job? I am still studying but I want to prepare to maybe work in Japan. not from NA btw

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:29:05 2019 No.20561178

>>20552239
>cities free of junk
Only the areas that are visible to people with cash.

>no stolen packets
Jesus where do you live?

>everyone treats you like a human/amazing customer service
I fucking HATE this assumption about Japan. It's absolutely wrong. It SEEMS like they have great hospitality because they have excellent adherence to procedure. But the moment you need something that isn't covered by their regulations and procedures, you're fucked. They're not good at customer service, they're good at routine, and it works because other Japs are also conditioned to operate according to rigid procedures. It makes for little to no flexibility which is what good customer service is actually made of.

>food is amazing
Yeah, it's good. But you have to watch your diet. Due to rice farming dominance and the consequently high price of veggies, constipation is a national epidemic. Plenty of bad diet salarymen are blowing out their assholes thrice-weekly by downing fibe-minis. I've had to do it. It's fun the first few times. But eventually you'll get sick of having to make your anus explode just to avoid bowel discomfort. You'll make the effort to switch to good food? Hope you don't get depressed easily, because having a fibre heavy diet in Japan is effort.

>if you need anything it's nearby
In the big cities, in relevant areas.

>old people clean shit voluntarily
No, that's bullshit. Some of them are part of local town groups that clean shit because being old in Japan is horribly depressing without a community, but mostly you're seeing old working poor people trying to make ends meet because people don't fucking care about them. The amount of resentment between the old and the young in that country is unnerving, partially because of how silent it is. Japan is not a country where the old are treated with nearly as much respect as they are portrayed. Nor are they as magnanimous as you seem to think.

>the overall life is amazing
It gets, boring? You need a serious social circle. It's either going to be gaijin who come and go, or Japanese who struggle to treat you as an equal and will fade off into their own little worlds (gotta work, gotta date, gotta hikki, etc) after a short time.

I get that it could be nice if you're studying abroad, things are structured. But living there is very different.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:31:38 2019 No.20561195

>>20561169
Just went on USAjobs.gov, indeed, jobsinjapan, and a few other sites you can google. Certed up and applied. Had a decent offer on my first few tries because I had the certs+experience.

My friends from the EU all had degrees though, but in IT usually they supplement real world exp for a degree so like 4 years working = 4 year degree

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:32:22 2019 No.20561199 >>20561138 Reality check, sysadmins are computer janitors. The only jobs are in programming for a reason.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:34:42 2019 No.20561215 >>20561199 Depends, I deploy VM's, plan storage, configure and maintain networks, and make sure backups run properly. Much of that is in demand, shit I know people who have a job only maintaining backups for the company.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:35:42 2019 No.20561220 >>20561199 Well my actual study is network engineer while I do hacking for fun so its very likely that I'll get a job in security. Also I can program but I dont enjoy it that much.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:37:43 2019 No.20561240

>>20561215
All janitorial tasks that pajeets can do. Your asset in infrastructure is in design and consulting, any muppet can deploy. So what value and asset are you when you can't design and pitch to your C-suite because you can't communicate? Only programmers can be anti-social self-assessed N4s. Any native nip can do all the other tasks you listed.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:40:50 2019 No.20561259

>>20561240
> Any native nip can do all the other tasks you listed.
Yet to see it, but keep telling yourself that dude japanese can not into any critical thinking or maintain shit worth a damn unless it is spelled out for them or someone directs them.
>So what value and asset are you when you can't design and pitch to your C-suite because you can't communicate?
I let the fucking sales people do that because I am an engineer usually talking to another engineer who, get this, is almost always another English speaking dude. I don't work in sales nor am I a sales engineer, most the time I am talking to people interdepartmental or on the phone with a vendor who generally is just going to speak english better anyways.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:44:00 2019 No.20561280

>>20561259
>any japanese can not into critical thinking
Majority of people can't into critical thinking, or our jobs wouldn't be as in demand. And if you're letting sales make your infrastructure decisions, you're a replaceable janitor. Keep thinking your amazing skillset comes from your ancestor's Manifest Destiny, don't complain when the carpet is pulled out from you in 5 years.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:48:01 2019 No.20561303

>>20561280
>And if you're letting sales make your infrastructure decisions, you're a replaceable janitor.
Never said that, I said when it comes to sales let sales do it. I can take what I have been handed in my metrics, tools and other shit to build the solution, work with my team and deploy it out.
>don't complain when the carpet is pulled out from you in 5 years.
Staying at the same place for more than 5 years is silly in IT. It pays the bills and gives me a shit load extra so who cares. Working at the same company your whole career is silly, most people I know change every 4-6 years for raise/benefits/challenges/etc.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:49:15 2019 No.20561310

>>20561280
This guy >>20561259 is absolutely correct

Many people are under the misconception that Japanese are experts at on the fly adaptation.
When they are in fact quite the opposite.
Much of their supposed legendary work ethic is just doing the same thing over and over again despite it being horribly inefficient because *procedure*.
If you ever want to see this in action, put your change on the counter at the convenience store. Watch as instead of sliding it off the counter while counting and proceeding to place it in the register, they will instead take it off the counter, put it in the change tray, slide it out again, count it, and put it in the register. Because fuck efficiency, the procedure says your 200 yen goes in the fucking change tray before it hits the register.
This is why some Japanese game companies continued making new engines for very similar games, despite it not being necessary. Hardware requirements in the past demanded new engines for new iterations of shit, but later this was not the case. Many Japanese companies at this time said fuck it, and continued following procedure and wasting craptons of time and money by making new, unnecessary game engines instead.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:51:01 2019 No.20561316

>>20561303
>I can take what I have been handed in my metrics, tools and other shit to build the solution
So it sounds like you're the monkey just following outputs and not making any strategic decisions. Not hard to pull any pajeet off the street and have him do your job either.
>Staying at the same place for more than 5 years is silly in IT.
I'm talking about staying in the same industry. The need for someone to build a VM and check a backup is going the way of tapes and owning shitloads of iron. You either become a decision maker, or become a programmer, or accept you're a replaceable janitor with a depreciating skillset.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 14:58:06 2019 No.20561350

>>20561316
>So it sounds like you're the monkey just following outputs and not making any strategic decisions
Nope lead engineer on my team, but you're going to think whatever because someone told you that coding is job secure for life. Not really, I remember 10 years ago when "everything will be cloud!", still waiting, not to mention the datacenters that run in said cloud need employees. I guess we need to tell all the people at cisco, vmware, netapp, HP, etc are all shit because this anon said so. Rip your jobs bois!
>The need for someone to build a VM and check a backup is going the way of tapes and owning shitloads of iron
Self service is a thing but still someone needs to manage the change management on images, fix said images for updates, ensure proper resources and performance metrics are acceptable, fix shit when stuff breaks etc.
>You either become a decision maker, or become a programmer, or accept you're a replaceable janitor with a depreciating skillset.
You have a very very narrow point of view on what IT encompasses. You have some of it right but you sound like a fresh out of college person who's just landed his first IT gig. IT always requires you to adapt to changes same with coding, but neither is going away any time soon nor the need for someone to be there to tackle the issues a business faces with technology.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:04:58 2019 No.20561386

>>20561350
>I guess we need to tell all the people at [companys filled with pajeets] are all shit, RIP your jobs!
The irony.
>someone needs to manage the change management on images, fix said images for updates,
Devops and CAB.
>You have a very very narrow point
Infrastructure is becoming increasingly abstract, and developers are encroaching on traditional ops work. If you want to have your shining resume as the best Backup Exec engineer on the planet because you think your strictly defined role is impermeable, be my guest. But you are replaceable, your skillset is not unique or hard to obtain, and none of it makes you an outstanding asset compared to any other nip.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:07:52 2019 No.20561397

>>20561386
In the context of Japan, they don't want people who are innovative, forward thinkers regarding their own positions. They want people who stay within their roles, at least on the surface. Even if that role is redundant or irrelevant (as it seems to increasingly be in your view).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:10:50 2019 No.20561409 >>20544381 Hey OP is that image a road next to Asakusa temple? Shit was my favorite location when I went there last year.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:11:48 2019 No.20561415

>>20561397
So they make a hiring decision as follows:

Westerner: Critical thinker, bored with rote tasks, communication issues
Pajeet: Cheap, follows a script ad infinitum, communication issues
Native: Follows a script ad infinitum

Who do you think edges out the competition at the stellar role of computer janitor? Native or pajeet, depending on if they feel like cutting corners in this year's budget.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:13:40 2019 No.20561422

>>20561386
>The irony.
Their main company and phone support is mostly that yes, but I am not talking about that. So again you're failing to see the point so whatever, you'll learn slowly.
>Devops and CAB.
yeah I have yet to meet most that want to touch windows devices or application troubleshooting, netscalers, a VPN, IO requirements, etc.
>Infrastructure is becoming increasingly abstract, and developers are encroaching on traditional ops work.
So is software, just ship it overseas dude, you can hire pajeets to code for you and have someone proof it ez mode.
>But you are replaceable, your skillset is not unique or hard to obtain,
Same as yours buddy unless you are a COBOL engineer for a huge fucking bank
> none of it makes you an outstanding asset compared to any other nip.
I see you do not nor have ever worked in japan.

>>20561397
>In the context of Japan, they don't want people who are innovative, forward thinkers regarding their own positions.
yeah in smaller companies sure, and business/management/customer facing yes. Most have very strict guidelines about how change is handled, but most larger companies that are going to pay for anyone skilled is going to be innovative and open to the idea that change is happening one way or another.

Dunno what you are on about anon but if you actually do work in the industry IT or coding, you realize what your saying is fairly silly.

>>20561415
The fuck are you even talking about

>communication issues
Good thing I know japanese lol, I think you misread where I say I know people who don't know any jap. Besides most companies are international, if working for any that will pay a damn. I can work with people in the east coast or in europe 10x faster than any nip can. Keep living in your head canon though.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:16:03 2019 No.20561432 >>20561422 >Good thing I know japanese lol This thread is for a lazy depressed NEET who can't learn Japanese and wants an easy gateway into the country. Respect for learning the language

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:17:49 2019 No.20561440 >>20561157 >Decent healthcare is shit what do you mean by that

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:18:36 2019 No.20561443 >>20561432 I know this was pointed out before, but I want to re-iterate for the benefit of that anon. Going to Japan will not remove your depression, and Japan is a shitty, shitty place to be depressed.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:21:18 2019 No.20561462

>>20561432
And there are jobs out there for people who don't know Japanese in IT. I know some britbongs coming over only knowing how to work with cisco equipment but got told what they were trying to do and what he needed to maintain, fucking bam he is loving it learning basic words as he goes but can do the job.

You missed like every fucking point anon good job.

>>20561440
If you aren't japanese or on a really damn good speaking level of japanese, you'll have a bad time. Most japanese "medicine" is fairly shit too, instead of getting some heavy meds to knock it out swift and fast you get this really low dose shit then told to rest drink water and take vitamins, now 20,000 yen please!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:24:52 2019 No.20561479 >>20561462 It's really depressing also how many actual doctors in Japan buy into absolute quackery because >muh eastern medicine But not too surprising coming from a country so publicly fixated on magic blood types and the like.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:34:39 2019 No.20561528

>>20561443
>Going to Japan will not remove your depression, and Japan is a shitty, shitty place to be depressed.

Japan somehow became less attractive in tourism regard for me too after
I made mistake of reading about background stuff of Japan and seeing the depressed japan man documentary by BBC
now when I would be there I could not shake off those things

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:49:40 2019 No.20561593

>>20561528
It's a depressing place. But as with all things, it's what you make of it.
If you're someone with unsteady mental health who tends towards escapism and depression, do not go there for an extended period. The only place I've seen sap suckers cash via escapism more effectively is Vegas.
As long as you can stay positive, make/be with friends, enact self-control, and see the bright side, then you're good to go.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:50:31 2019 No.20561595 >>20561479 Japanese medicine actually is useful shit, it's just because most foriegners are bigger, taller, and shit that the dosage you get is stupid low.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:51:21 2019 No.20561599 >>20561593 yeah im that worse case. Its disheartening that the dream of travel there got destroyed but eh.

Anonymous Fri Jan 4 15:55:44 2019 No.20561606

>>20561595
Oh I'm not talking about the low dosage stuff, but rather that they will openly endorse acupuncture, and other such quack medicine because of the legitimacy it holds in their culture.
No different than western MD's endorsing Chiropractic though.

>>20561599
You can still go be a tourist there dude. Let loose and have fun for a week or two, it'll be nice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 16:09:29 2019 No.20561661 >>20561443 How can you even be depressed in the land of Idols, they will say how much they love you and how perfect you are if you pay 1000 yen.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 16:13:53 2019 No.20561689 >>20561661 >they will say how much they love you and how perfect you are if you pay 1000 yen. nigga where da fuck is that shit at, Fujisawa or some shit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 16:13:58 2019 No.20561691 >>20552269 Japan trying very hard to be Australia (but still failing).

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 16:38:08 2019 No.20561785 >>20544381 Japan is for the Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 16:42:49 2019 No.20561804 >>20561661 That's the point. Escapism does not cure depression, you idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:05:41 2019 No.20561906 >>20561661 thats the most depressing thing I've heard all fucking year

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:08:22 2019 No.20561918 >>20561906 So the past 4 days?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:09:02 2019 No.20561920 >>20561918 lol yeah

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:24:30 2019 No.20562009 >>20561785 If only I was born japanese...

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:27:31 2019 No.20562015 >>20561661 Few hours later you will be alone in your 10 square metre apartment. The joy from being called awesome will be gone. Tomorrow is another day on the dead end job you hate. This is basically how people can be depressed in the land of idols.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 17:34:09 2019 No.20562036 >>20562015 unless you marry the idol

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 4 19:50:05 2019 No.20562754 >>20562036 And promptly get murdered by some crazy Japanese hikki that found out a filthy gaijin sullied his waifu. He will then be pardoned by Abe for protecting the Nippon race.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 04:26:18 2019 No.20564988 >>20561443 what's a good place to be depressed?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 08:36:56 2019 No.20566032 >>20561606 trip to japan is extremely expensive for 2nd world er like me and if its not the out of mind experience I thought it was few months ago, cant justify blowing my saving on it. I will stay with virtual tour of vids and pics and threads

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 12:08:35 2019 No.20567154 >>20564988 look at the site you are on

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 12:12:42 2019 No.20567179 >>20561316 >stating pajeets will replace you >coder holy shit you are more replacable than an IT guy with a broad range of knowledge who has to physically move, troubleshoot, and hook shit up

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 12:56:33 2019 No.20567458 >>20567179 I'm not him, but as a software engineer, I'm endlessly grateful to my devops team. Keep doing your thing; I'd fucking riot before our boys get replaced by Pajeets. What a short-sighted view.

Anonymous Sat Jan 5 17:50:10 2019 No.20568995

>>20561479
It's not really they try ~alternative~ medicines it's just that japanese people, and many asians in general, can't handle the shit in strong doses to knock shit out quick and clean. Not to mention the whole completely fucking imbalanced diet that most japanese people deal with doesn't help worth a shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 20:26:39 2019 No.20569914 >>20567458 you'll take it up the ass quietly like every other programmer in hopes that management won't replace you as well

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 5 20:35:54 2019 No.20569961 >>20544381 Hahahahahahahaah!

Anonymous Sat Jan 5 23:30:23 2019 No.20570974

>>20550881
It comes in fits and starts. Everytime you give it a shot it gets a little longer than 4 days. Over time you can make it something regular. Those people who never let up until they are fluent in 6 months aren't common, don't try to be that, just keep at it.

>>20551561
Yeah. I'd rather live there and get sick of it until I never want to go back than always think about it at home.

Anonymous Sat Jan 5 23:30:41 2019 No.20570976

>>20568995
I thought normal Japanese person always eats very well - lots of vegetables, rice and mostly fish with moderate amount of fat etc. There doesn't seem to be any issue with their diet. This is why there isn't much obesity and if you get obese you'll get shunned upon and constantly remarked that you have gained weight.
Antibiotics are the same for every human being and should be dosed accordingly. They need certain strength and certain amount of time in order to work or otherwise the medicine is being wasted and your body will also suffer. I don't know what the Japanese doctors are prescribing then. Common flu doesn't require antibiotics and will go by itself. What is needed is to have some kind of comfort for the resulting discomfort though.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 00:04:59 2019 No.20571325

>>20570976
>I thought normal Japanese person always eats very well - lots of vegetables, rice and mostly fish with moderate amount of fat etc
Good lord what the fucking

>lots of vegetables
No and fuck no why the fuck do you think this? corn is 498 yen an ear, most things are stupid overpriced even in the mainland. Most shit is over priced like fuck

>There doesn't seem to be any issue with their diet.
You are fucking retarded. There are huge issues with it, constantly digestive pills and such are common because of it. Lemme guess "thin = healthy!" while some of it is true there are problems

>This is why there isn't much obesity and if you get obese you'll get shunned upon and constantly remarked that you have gained weight.
what does this even fucking mean, have you been to japan? are you thinking of korea?

>Antibiotics are the same for every human being and should be dosed accordingly.
No they fucking aren't, they can overload a person if not done right and can fuck up if the immune system isn't prepared for it? Do you get your facts from WebMD or someshit

> I don't know what the Japanese doctors are prescribing then.
Then shut the fuck up you fucking moron

Holy shit you fucking retard you are like one otaku who comes over here sees someone and goes "uhh well did you know about japan" While I try to ignore you and yet have to put on a friendly face you your broken ass understanding of language.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 00:29:03 2019 No.20571398

>>20571325
You are being unnecessarily rude and the way you write reflects an opinion of an underage, not someone who is in working life. You are posting as if I was personally attacking you which is not the case. I guess you are an autist or an underage.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:05:58 2019 No.20571564 >>20549860 No companies will pay as well as US in Japan. Even Google's Japan office will only pay a little more than typical Japanese salary which is a fraction of what you can make in Google US.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:09:31 2019 No.20571575 >>20571325 holy shit you're an unbearable faggot

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:13:22 2019 No.20571594 >>20571564 Yes, but you're only there long enough to qualify for permenant residency (which ony takes 1 year if you have enough points). Then you can move to the countryside and be a NEET.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:23:50 2019 No.20571641 >>20571594 And be a poorfag in a foreign country? Sounds miserable, man.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:24:56 2019 No.20571644 >>20571641 You would have plenty of money saved up by this point.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:25:17 2019 No.20571646 File: 3.43 MB, 4160x3120, XGNIM_827421.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20571575 Have you lived and worked +30 days in japan? Pic related

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:29:06 2019 No.20571666 >>20571644 If you are a richfag already and have enough money saved up to retire early, then do whatever the hell you want of course. You will need like $5mil tho.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:32:17 2019 No.20571678 >>20571666 A tenth of that would be enough to be a NEET in Japan. There's a reason there are so many of them there. Part timers at a conbini make 1m yen a year and do perfectly fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:33:04 2019 No.20571682 >>20571666 Find a few anons to pool your life savings with and start a weeb commune in the mountains.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:37:09 2019 No.20571695 >>20544381 take Adderall regularly to help you learn, and instead lose 100lbs in 8 months, keep it off for 3 years, and learn you are comfy where you are as long as you get find chill roommates and a comfy job.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 01:41:32 2019 No.20571711 >>20571678 NEETs have sedentary lifestyle and because they can't afford to do anything. What's the point of being in Japan if you do that? Don't you wanna go to concerts and VA events and such?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 02:11:16 2019 No.20571837 NOT otaku culture fags

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 02:18:19 2019 No.20571886 >>20571695 Don't bother with stims unless you want to be dependent on that shit to function.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 02:44:55 2019 No.20572018

>>20550881
Let me tell you a very poorly kept secret about life: wherever you are, whoever you, at some time there is inevitably at least one person who hates your guts.

Doesn't mean you're a bad person. Doesn't mean the hater is a bad person. Doesn't mean either of you is doing anything wrong. Sometimes people just decide they hate you for no good reason at all.

The Japanese are not a particularly happy people. They often smile and pretend to be happy, but that's the result of social pressure. All of that unhappiness is bound to come out on whoever is around them. And if the people around them are visitors to Japan, there's a lot less chance that hatred is going to cause lingering social problems.

Relax.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 03:09:07 2019 No.20572127 >>20544381 日本語の相棒を見付ける。絶望しないし練習しなければならない。

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 04:11:28 2019 No.20572311
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>>20561112
>Did you stay in a super niche part of town and rarely go out?
No I was in near Hirai Station in Tokyo aka Chinkshit town or dying blue colar worker town.

You have google street. Browse it, find me the graffiti. I don't know if you're aware but Adachi ku and Edogawa Ku are supposed to be like the "slums" remember that anime Arakawa Under the Bridge? With the homeless people sleeping under the bridges? I had that. So where are the grafiti here. Grafiti is the "art of the poor" and "oppressed"

All I saw living there was chinks and old people.

>So like most america that isn't the midwest? Okay..
I can't say I'm European.

>No.
Yes literally every day Kameido park was homeless people trying to sleep on the benches that are preventing them form sleeping and old people picking up trash.

>I wish I was this oblivious to things.
I wish you weren't this dumb.

>People do it because there is no way for them to get them there otherwise.
Yes there is they could have a car and drive their kids to a "better" school like you retards in America do. But they don't. The kid just goes to the nearest elementary.

Shit the school in Edogawa had chink kids in school screaming in chink on the playyard when I was passing by, you'd expect real Japs to move kids out of the school with chinks, I ever saw some black kids too.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 04:19:00 2019 No.20572344

>>20561178
>Only the areas that are visible to people with cash.
I lived in the poorest districts so no. Adachi and Edogawa are free of trash, but maybe we don't mean the same type of trash? I'm not talking about the trash people put out for garbage collection day, I'm talking about smoke buds, plastics, drink container and so on that litter my city in Europe.

>Jesus where do you live?
Eastern Europe.

>But the moment you need something that isn't covered by their regulations and procedures, you're fucked.
In Eastern Europe people can't even give you the "regular procedure" without fucking up so I am very thankful for this.

>constipation is a national epidemic.
I have to agree on this for westerners I didn't hear any Japanese complain about it, I'm used to a very fiber rich diet as am from an country with lots of vegetabes, fruits and vegetables are ridiculously priced compared to everything else.

I got over this by getting used to miso soup and getting that fiber from the seaweed. But yeah you really feel the missing vegetables. But it wasn't that much of a problem for me to be honest.

>Some of them are part of local town groups that clean shit because being old in Japan is horribly depressing without a community
So yes they clean shit. Good enough for me.

>You need a serious social circle.
I had one. I can't comment on the later. A friend who lives there that stayed to work after graduating is also not having too many problems, he has a Japanese girlfriend and some crazy student buddy who he hangs with every weekend.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 04:24:29 2019 No.20572361

>>20571325
> Lemme guess "thin = healthy!"
Their fucking live expectancy kind of proves that.

>have you been to japan?
You experience of Japan seems to differ a lot from mine because I did indeed get told 101 times that I've gained weight when I returned. Without any apology like it's the most normal thing to say, we don't do that here in Eastern Europe for the most part until it's like really obvious. These guys commented on a 5kg weight increase I didn't even notice.

>Antibiotics are the same for every human being and should be dosed accordingly.
Yes they are. Dosages are based on weight, height and age. Japanese aren't some special snowflake people. You seem to be getting your medical knowledge out of your fucking moms shithole it seems.

Holy fuck you're a piece of human garbage that acts like shit on the internet I bet you're some super polite guy in real life that has this bottled up resentment towards everything and from your posts it seems you lived in Japan and never had any friends. GEEEE I WONDER WHY.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 04:35:16 2019 No.20572391 File: 1.55 MB, 1500x2000, IMG_20190106_182151.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20571646 Yes here I literally walked out of my lab to take this picture you faggot.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 05:20:48 2019 No.20572512
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I worked in a Japanese run ramen restaurant that had lots of Japanese kids 18~22 on working holiday visas who came here after high school. They obviously didn't have any specialized work experience, and arrived with slightly better than Japanese high school English, (not great) but are having a good time. The thing is I feel like if I tried doing what they are doing on a working holiday visa I would not be able to find low level employment as easily as them, and would not be capable of making a go of it. It probably doesnt help that I already visited Tokyo and Osaka to go to music concerts and see how my Japanese held up (equally not good but got a suprising ammount of milage out of never actually studying and just talking to my nip co-workers and watching anime), and decided that I want to and live in a more out of the way place like Sapporo or Niigata or something. Do Japanese kids have it easier coming to Canada/US than I would going out there?

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 06:12:04 2019 No.20572634
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>>20572512
First from my perspective as a Croatian, Czech, German and English speaker, I learned all these languages while I was young and I'm fairy proficient at them.

They have two advantages.

English is much more ubiquitous than Japanese. Japanese is just in Japan and thats about it.

English is made out of just 26 letters, this is ridiculously low. Sure these make for about 44 unique sounds in English but thats still nothing compared to Japanese.

You have 71 Kana but these combine into 140 if you count all the 2-3 kana combinations. These make for about 50 unique sounds. Sure that would be easy if there was spaces between the words but no 2,136 Joyo Kanji + more.

You can learn the alphabet in Japan just by reading all the dual language signs everywhere. Not to mention 90% of the modern products have english names. So you can understand why it's easy for them to learn how to read english when your average Japanese has about 2500+ chracters in his head 26 more is like cakewalk.

Camera could be called 写真機 but nobody really calls it that everyone just calls it カメラ. Check this out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ym3HnjBxPsw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Nh0wvQGYk

First let me say I'm not an English speaker I speak a Slavic language. So we're a very phonetic language and I'm familiar how our "local" people "translate" English words and terms into my language say the company "John Deer" becomes "Jondir".

So when I first went to Japan a few years ago my knowledge of Japanese was very limited. I knew the basic kana somewhat well. I was shocked at how much I could understand.

Like go to a 7-11 and you got メロンパン, パンプキン, チョコレート or ショコラ, ココア, ケーキ, チップ, ヨーグルト, フローズンヨーグルト, ジュース, フルーツジュース , グレープジュース, チョコレートパン , チョコパン, チョコレートケーキ , チョコチップ , チョコミント, ハンバーガー , ハンバーグ and so on...

You can walk into a konbini and without speaking much Japanese read almost every label there is except the real authentic Japanese foods like say お握り picture related, you won't know what the fuck is お握り with ちりめんとろろ昆布 and like detergents and cosmetics.

Anyways I think it's far easier for a Japanese person to learn English.

They main problem they have with English is transformations (regular and irregular verbs) and pronunciation.

As a Germanic/Slavic speaker I still after 20+ years can't nail a perfect English or German accent. Theres always some slavic in it. Czech on the other hand thats not my mother tongue I speak like a 100% native.

When speaking to Japanese people it's really hard to tell because they'll praise your japanese even if it's dogshit but I do know that slavic phenomes are much closer to Japanese phenomes and a Japanese people told me that my Japanese is "weird" sounding, they can tell I'm not a native but they can't go OH hes an american or oh hes french.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 06:37:55 2019 No.20572729

>>20572634
I appreciate your response but I guess I was not as clear as I should have been in my post, I mostly am concerned with the availability for low level employment for people who have a limited grasp on the language.

I feel its higher here than over there.

I agree with everything you said though regarding Japanese, and learning ひらがなとカタカナ was easy and pretty useful while I was there for navigation. And I agree that there are a lot of advantages to being able to read after only knowing 26 characters.

But something I noticed just as a side note is they really struggle with something thats not nearly as bad for westerners and thats the fact that even when they know what to say, we can't understand them due to their issues pronouncing english. 僕の日本語はクソだけど If I tried saying that outloud they would internally cringe at my grammar/word choice but still be able to make out what I was trying to say 90% of the time because the pronunciation part is simpler for us.

Japanese is a bitch to learn (which is why I haven't tried too hard to learn it) but there is still a comparable ammount of difficulty going both ways, I dont think going from English>Japanese is twice as hard as Japanese>English for example.

Thanks for your perspective though.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 06:50:43 2019 No.20572769

>>20572729
Oh totally, In Japan say if you wanna work as a konbini worker you need to be able to understand what the customer wants, it's a must.

In America for decades now you had spanish speakers that coudn't say jackshit in English yet they worked all kinds of jobs. So it's definitely easier in America because it has lower standards.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 12:56:26 2019 No.20574596

>>20572769
>So it's definitely easier in America because it has lower standards.
Most of those jobs didn't require much interaction with customers/clients. Not saying that there aren't/weren't those kinds of job positions filled by unilingual spanish speakers, but they were vastly outnumbered by immigrants working manual labour or low-skill manufacturing/processing.

A lot of foreigners who do work in Japan work the same jobs - construction and fishing/fish processing hire lots of Chinese, Southeast Asians, etc.

https://www.marketplace.org/2018/10/10/world/japan-expands-use-foreign-interns-address-labor-shortage
>As such, “interns” like Thanh — most of which hale from countries such as Vietnam, China, the Philippines, Indonesia, and Thailand — aren’t your summer-break-coffee-getting variety. They are full-time employees who are helping to plug worker shortages in a variety of Japanese industries including manufacturing, hospitality, agriculture, construction, textiles, and food processing.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 13:11:22 2019 No.20574703

>>20572634
>Sure these make for about 44 unique sounds in English but thats still nothing compared to Japanese.
>You have 71 Kana but these combine into 140 if you count all the 2-3 kana combinations. These make for about 50 unique sounds.
I can't really tell what point you're trying to make here, but English has an infinite number of possible phoneme combinations in comparison to Japanese.
The fact that Japanese pronunciation can be (essentially) perfectly rendered in romaji but English pronunciation is absolutely butchered in katakana is 100% iron-clad proof that the sounds of Japanese are a tiny subset of the sounds of English and that Japanese does not have more "unique sounds" than English.
This is why Japanese has such a huge problem with homophones.
But this thread needs to die. OP is pathetic and naive.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 13:23:20 2019 No.20574766

I had a big wall of text written up to post last night, but after reading it I would be better off stating that a lot of people on /jp/ who want to live in Japan confuse Japanese culture as a whole with otaku subculture. Those of us who traveled to/have lived in Japan for a spell enjoyed the novelty and convenience of having that subculture more easily accessible

It would be more accurate to say that we miss the H shelves of toranoana, or having dojin albums fifteen minutes from a major train station, or being in a country where more than one city has a china town for geeks. For people like this, going to live in Japan isn't necessary and might actually taint our enjoyment of the subculture, and we'd be better off finally getting off our asses and learning Japanese so we can finally interact with our favourite dojin creators

This obviously doesn't apply to people who actually like things about Japan outside its otaku culture, but I think it's safe to say that there's a lot of people in this thread who fit the description I gave above, and would be better off doing their reps instead of investigating Japanese immigration procedures

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 13:23:57 2019 No.20574768

>>20574703
The entire English language could be written in 44 IPA Symbols and it is.

https://www.dyslexia-reading-well.com/44-phonemes-in-english.html

Japanese could be written in 50.

The Japanese kana is literally an IPA Table of sounds. Only in rare cases do things "transform" with palatalization and other mutations. It's read as it's writen, meanwhile English is retarded by comparison with so many lawless cases it's hurts.

You have no fucking clue what I'm talking about do you?

A japanese trying to pronunce shit in English sounds just as retarded as a English trying to do the same in Japanese.

Just use google translate text>speech and you'll get what I mean.

Type in Girl > Japs will pronounce it as Garu
Type in Kanojo > Americans will pronounce it as KanoJoe with a horrible pitch accent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 13:31:32 2019 No.20574805 File: 31 KB, 390x377, 1541034852542.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Everybody on /jp/ is so smart and successful.. uuuuu....

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 13:38:59 2019 No.20574853 File: 23 KB, 133x200, Model-portfolios-Gold-Coast-photographer.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20550881 I don't understand the pic, is he literally talking about somebody doing this or is there some context I'm missing?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 14:04:40 2019 No.20574967 >>20574805 don't give up anon!

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 14:15:08 2019 No.20575010

>>20574768
Not him but my impression that while it is very difficult to get an authentic Japanese accent as the devil is in the details, it's not difficult to get some kind of relatively thick or thin gaijin accent and have that be understood by pretty much anyone. Whereas English has a greater potential for getting unintelligible because of accent change. The greatest potential for that though has to belong to Chinese and similar languages because if you get your tones, and only your tones, wrong, then you actually become incomprehensible without additional cues. Whereas the pitch accent of Japanese is just sorta there, and it is not critical for the purpose of information exchange to always get the pitch right.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 14:21:05 2019 No.20575032

>>20574768
I'm not that guy, but those 44 IPA symbols are not an exact representation of a normal English dialect. For example, consider the /ɡʲ/ in "argue". That /ɡʲ/ (which may be butchered by 4chan's anti-spam) is not listed in the link you provided, but it's definitely a distinct sound from the closest replacement, /g/. If you pronounce "argue" with a /g/ instead of a /ɡʲ/, people will (probably) know what you mean, but it will sound silly. The number 44 was probably chosen because the intended audience is parents and children, not nerds debating about which language has more "unique sounds".

I have no other comments on the discussion you two are having.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 14:34:16 2019 No.20575092

>>20575032
Isn't that simply the cluster /gj/? Russian here and we contrast /g/ /ɡʲ/ and /gj/; I've always thought of "argue" as having /gj/... but I may be wrong since it's been a while since I heard spoken English and my own accent is invalid anyway. In any case in response to what you're saying it is possible to dig up, for instance, the three-ish realizations of Japanese /r/ that are all necessary to get right if you don't want to sound like a gaijin... In my impression if you want to be understood a uniform Spanish "r" will do.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 14:45:42 2019 No.20575125 Seems like there is considerable variation in how Japanese /r/ is pronounced. https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/ら行 (just look at the IPA signs)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 15:52:26 2019 No.20575420 >>20571682 Sound like a plan... let's do it!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:09:42 2019 No.20575531 File: 59 KB, 594x473, Mahlyanov+Kaloyan+Stefanov+Kotooshu+Bulgarian+aqHZRu-k-Lxl.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20544381 Just become a sumo wrestler, OP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:21:47 2019 No.20575629 >>20552250 >I'm a NEET in japan currently Sounds like a dream. How did you achieve that?

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:29:12 2019 No.20575689

i have always wanted to live in japan as well so i can totally relate to your feelings even if i have never been there.
from people that have lived there, how did you get there? to me, being from a 2nd world country it seems very unlikable that one day i'd have the opportunity to move there, first off because i dont have the funds and will probably never have, the salaries over here are pretty low and saving money is hard, also i dont speak the language and i dont know if i should even bother to learn it to be honest, i really really love japan, and i consider it my dream to one day live there, at the time being i have a lot of free time in my hands and could start studying japanese, do you guys reckon it's worthwhile my time? i also thought about applying to language university and study japanese as a secondary language there too (i cant get myself to study and i suck at every other subject that isnt english), i tried reading a little bit but even if it's the only thing i love in this sad life i seem to can not keep up with it, maybe actually starting to take it more seriously would be the change of pace my life needs and japan is also my only aspiration, though i dont know if it could ever work out for me it seems so unlikable, i am not rich, i am not sociable and i am ugly, i can't offer anything to japan. i really dont know, anyone that has realized his dream and is living there right now how do you feel? is life better over there than it was back home?

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 16:42:01 2019 No.20575758

>>20575689
People take the totally wrong approach.

Sure knowing some Japanese is fine but Japan has 126 million Japanese speakers thats not what they're looking for.

What they need is doctors, programmers, software experts, highly specialized workers.

They need highly skilled workers, these are allowed to live there indefinitely. Low wage disposable workers such as construction or service are not actually needed to stay, they can just recruit new ones every 5 years and they do.

I don't know how old you are. But if you're 20ish or early 30s go find an IT job do it for 5 years and you got a good chance to get employed in Japan. If thats what you want. But you don't because Japanese companies want your soul. Fuck free time.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:02:41 2019 No.20575862

>>20575758
the problem with that is that i cannot simply just go out and find an IT job where i live, first off there are millions of people who did university for that specific things and they're always put ahead of others, i am still 19 and a total good for nothing, speaking their language is obviously mandatory, unfortunately it's not as easy as going to find a job where i live and not to mention there barely is any "IT" jobs, we dont have many companies and the ones that we have are likely to employ as i said people with uni degrees / specializations, etc. i would really be fine with anything if it meant to be living in japan, i am kind of desperate under that pov, i would take any low pay job, i have no problem with working my way up from something as bad as a barman, cashier, waiter etc, my endgoal would be to set off, find love have a family and live the rest of my life in the comfort japan can offer.
the other idea i had was with studying at a language university is to get a degree in english then learn japanese and teach english in schools, though they may prefer people whon come from english speaking countries.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:14:16 2019 No.20575907 File: 61 KB, 1382x833, lel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20550925 >Your fault for being a リア充 Fucking lel. This is an actual word.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:25:10 2019 No.20575967 >>20561661 This has to be bait, there's no way anyone could be this stupid. Made me reply anyway.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:37:04 2019 No.20576021

Has /jp/ heard about the MEXT scholarship program? I've been looking into it recently (the undergraduate program, more specifically), and it looks like the perfect opportunity to quit the NEET life and move to Japan.

You have to take some exams (English, Japanese and Math, plus Physics, Chemistry and Biology if you're applying for a major in Natural Sciences) and an interview. If you get the scholarship, you get to study in Japan for 5 years with all your expenses covered by the Japanese government, and after you graduate you can also attempt to find employment there with your Japanese university degree or advance to a graduate course.

When I first heard about it a few years ago, it seemed impossible for me because I had just started studying the language and you had to be 21 or younger. However, I now have an N1 certificate and they changed the age limit to 24 (I'm turning 23 this year).

Does anyone here have experience with these scholarships? How difficult is it to get them?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:37:40 2019 No.20576023 >>20562754 >being able to conquer an idol's heart, love and spent with her comfy winter nights in safe nippon >die in glorious battle against native warrior claiming revenge > ronin offspring avenge my death and claims a shogunate where do I sign?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:42:35 2019 No.20576046 >>20576023 who quot

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 17:44:37 2019 No.20576057

>>20575689
>from people that have lived there, how did you get there?
Applying for some shit job that will make you question why you moved there after a few months.

>i have always wanted to live in japan as well so i can totally relate to your feelings even if i have never been there.
Japan/Korea/China/Singapore all give off the same IT IS AWESOME vibe but in reality are just shit holes of goverments letting businesses completely exploit their employees.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 18:04:30 2019 No.20576142 >>20576046 nigger in japan I guess

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 19:58:15 2019 No.20576898 >>20560358 But its the latest social shaming buzzword that normies try to wield like a sword against 4chan.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 21:20:21 2019 No.20577297

>>20576021
I actually tried it 2 times, but at my country they said we need at least 50% of the questions to be correct and i coundnt pass the 1 phase of the scholarship caus my country doesnt teach all the subjects the test requires and im stupid and tried to do the test withount haveing specificaly studied for it

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 21:30:42 2019 No.20577372

Im na newbie EVAgeek and my consequente decision is that any place is a good place to live, it all only depends in the way you see the world.
Also, Humanity is the same at any place, being in japan doesnt mean you will only meet wonderfull persons. You gotta see different persons in various working conditions and aiming for various different things.Japan is nice and shit, but dont expect you gotta have a good life just cause you are in a different place with better food or withount thrash in the streets 3.3.

Althought, Being in Japan may be a nice think if you get a good social circle and find a way to escape depression.at least we can buy our hobbies things and marry som idols XD.

Anonymous Sun Jan 6 22:16:11 2019 No.20577556

>>20544381
Goddamn weebs. Japan is no better than other countries, and is even worse in critically important areas.

Japan is one of the few countries with a more fucked up work-life balance than the United States.

This atrocious work-life balance pairs with a lifetime employment norm that makes it nigh-impossible to recover if you do somehow lose your job (due to poor performance or sheer bad luck of working for a downsizing firm).

But how do you get this job in the first place? You have to go to university, and your economic status is determined by the quality of the one you go to. Want to go to a good one? You need to ace your entrance examinations, in a society where everyone else is trying the same thing. Goodbye idealized anime high school experience, you need to study.

Has this commitment to work produced a productive society able to outpace its competitors? No. After the collapse of the asset price bubble in 1991, Japan's economy entered a period of prolonged stagnation. While it's traditionally known as the "Lost Decade," the actual effects are still keenly felt today, as the country never truly recovered. Japan has fallen behind its peers in labor output, public debt has exploded because of the government's attempts to stimulate recovery. Debt is at 240% of GDP, by comparison America's "debt crisis" is just over 100% of GDP. This hits your pocketbook directly. Real wages have fallen by 13%.

Their paired opposition to immigration and procreation has led to an utterly unsustainable demographic crisis. The trends outlined above are not going away any time soon. This is not to assert that Japan is a "bad country" or even that it is worse than any other specific country. But people should be clear-eyed about the fact that Japan is no paradise.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 22:27:30 2019 No.20577626 >>20577297 I see. I assume you applied for Natural Sciences? Did you know any Japanese at the time?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 22:50:11 2019 No.20577744 >>20576898 stay mad permavirg

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 6 22:51:56 2019 No.20577753 >>20577744 I ain't even mad faggot.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 05:06:07 2019 No.20578732

>>20577556
This, even as a full blown weeabo, I love visiting Japan, but I realise it's not really a nice place to live... Or at least definetly not a place to be born and grow.
You can easily see japanese society has serious particular issues, just like any other place, but unlike most places where the gov or the society itself will acknowledge them, and at least will try to correct them, in Japan it's a taboo to even name them, let alone try to change them.
So those issues are there to stay.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 05:48:48 2019 No.20578860

>>20576021
I applied when I was 18 and failed because I hadn't done Chemistry in several years, and hadn't done bio for longer - the exams I did in high school were quite out of line with the exams for MEXT. We were told that we didnt need to speak any Japanese and that the higher score of our Japanese and English exams would be used. I have a Brazilian friend who managed to get in and has been over there for 2 or 3 years now and is getting along great. He said he prepared by not being in school or a job for something like 6-12 months after finishing high school and just self studying and sometimes with the assistance of a private tutor. He said the first year was dedicated to teaching the language as well as some history, cultural and social details. He mentioned he started out going to a smaller univeristy for the first year before moving to a larger one in Tokyo or something, I dont really remember.

He's become a minor celebrity within the subculture of a certain online game and we refer to him as the 'gaijin samurai' due to his posing with a katana at events. If you're reading this P, sorry if I got any of the details wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 11:12:05 2019 No.20580103 Japan is strictly worst for most white people so you must be some sort of freak.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 11:40:25 2019 No.20580284

>>20552269
There's huge pressure to look good and dress fashionably, especially in areas like Shinjuku.
Tokyo obviously also ends up gathering the hottest girls from all over the country since that's where all the modeling/idol/tv jobs are so it's not exactly a great representation of what the average girl looks like.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 12:30:56 2019 No.20580601 File: 24 KB, 626x200, e53a5bc6533dacde8c50e1256de5899a_production[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are some japanese companies with offices overseas that might give anon some opportunities for transfer?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 12:52:34 2019 No.20580738 >>20580284 >There's huge pressure to look good and dress fashionably, especially in areas like Shinjuku. lol By who? The fashion police?

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 13:21:13 2019 No.20580901

>>20575862
You're only 19? Go and get an IT degree if it gives you that much of an edge. Also, IT doesn't necessarily mean programming. Not every company needs in-house programmers, but any company larger than a mom-and-pop shop will need some level of IT personnel to set up and run their networking and workstations. There may be more work than you realize available. And yes, things like JET will prefer native English speakers unless you can show you have no real accent and are really fluent. Well, this all assumes you even like IT. My point is that at 19, you have plenty of time to get a relevant degree that you can then leverage to get where you want to go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 13:51:42 2019 No.20581106 >>20580901 > average blog post on /r/sysadmin ignored with no votes and no replies from a disaffected desktop tech who is actually just giving advice to his younger self

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 13:58:44 2019 No.20581142

>>20580738
Culture and society at Large. Stop being a dumb burger.
>>20577556
>Goddamn weebs. Japan is no better than other countries, and is even worse in critically important areas.
This is true. The only thing Japan beats America in is the high food standards and convenience in gas stations and restaurants. Everything is not filled with sugar or salt and chemicals up the ass. Other than that there is really not that much to it. It's really no different than what you find anywhere else.
>This atrocious work-life balance pairs with a lifetime employment norm that makes it nigh-impossible to recover if you do somehow lose your job (due to poor performance or sheer bad luck of working for a downsizing firm).
This is true and the hours would make a Weaboo cry within the first day. There is a reason why certain people have mentioned this will not work and end badly.
>Their paired opposition to immigration and procreation has led to an utterly unsustainable demographic crisis. The trends outlined above are not going away any time soon.
This is false. Immigration is opposed because of Nationalism in the culture having outsiders in dilutes their country and displaces their people. China can invade as well and that can lead to problems. You do not want an American, European and Canada crisis where you allow in 3rd worldists into your country and you have no real control over it and it's unlimited migration. Besides They do not mind people visiting but having people live there does make them mad. The procreation thing is not as bad as it use to be but still could be better. In the 00's it was devastatingly low. Nowadays it's climbing up slightly.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 14:01:13 2019 No.20581153

>>20580901
im really bad at school in general and have never been a good student, the only thing i can get behind is english and languages in general because i truly haven't found anything of my interest, getting into an IT university doesnt look viable for me because i know i couldn't do it, maybe getting some IT qualifications might help, like courses etc, but i can't get a major degree on it, bringing up me studying languages in uni is because it's the only thing i believe i'd be able to do, i can't stress enough how easily i get distracteed, especially about things i don't really like/care about.
if it's courses, labour, that sort of qualification i can get behind that but then again that would still be secondary to my endgoal.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 14:39:44 2019 No.20581377

>>20581142
>The only thing Japan beats America in is the high food standards and convenience in gas stations and restaurants. Everything is not filled with sugar or salt and chemicals up the ass. Other than that there is really not that much to it. It's really no different than what you find anywhere else.
You forgot public safety, cleanliness, politeness, less corruption...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 15:02:02 2019 No.20581508 >>20581142 How does culture and society at large pressure people to dress well?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 15:32:34 2019 No.20581649 >>20581106 Sure, whatever. I'm actually a developer, but a lot of people seem to think that the only type of IT work is programming.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 15:48:24 2019 No.20581749 Rather than fantasising about moving to Japan, westerners need to get their shit together and work out how to make a place of Japan's quality here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 15:50:23 2019 No.20581762 >>20578860 That's pretty cool. Do you know what he's studying over there and what he plans to do after graduation?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 15:58:26 2019 No.20581809 >>20581749 Fucking amen to that. Japanification can save the west from degeneracy that's plagueing it worse and worse.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 17:02:43 2019 No.20582212 >>20581377 >less corruption lmao you have never spoken to a japanese person being honest with you, nor have never read a japanese newspaper

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 17:05:19 2019 No.20582223 >>20581749 "western" countries very much enjoy their shithole failed states just the way they are, and a lot of wealthy people work very hard to keep them that way. it's not going to happen

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 17:25:19 2019 No.20582337 >>20581749 That's how I feel about it. We're not going to solve our problems by running away from them.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 17:30:33 2019 No.20582376

Otaku opinion: I want Japan to remain living hell for everyone involved so that they can keep producing escapism material of ever increasing purity, which I can comfortably indulge in while living in my first world European country (not to be confused with countries like Romania, which also happen to be positioned in Europe)

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 18:44:15 2019 No.20582829

>>20581142
>This is false. Immigration is opposed because of Nationalism in the culture having outsiders in dilutes their country and displaces their people. China can invade as well and that can lead to problems. You do not want an American, European and Canada crisis where you allow in 3rd worldists into your country and you have no real control over it and it's unlimited migration. Besides They do not mind people visiting but having people live there does make them mad. The procreation thing is not as bad as it use to be but still could be better. In the 00's it was devastatingly low. Nowadays it's climbing up slightly.
Regardless of your position on immigration, it clearly has beneficial effects on the specific demographic issues Japan is facing. The United States has a birthrate below replacement, but has nowhere near the same inverted population pyramid because it has high levels of immigration. That's not dispositive of policy questions, but it's significant.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 19:08:16 2019 No.20582933 >>20582829 Japan has one of the highest average IQs in the world. Go ahead and craft an immigration policy that would maintain or increase that rather than decrease it.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 19:13:38 2019 No.20582961

>>20581142
I wonder if you read this thread before posting. Japan is starting to give up on its tight immigration policies - all that "Nationalism" isn't solving the employment and population growth crisis they have over there. They're shifting to a more liberal immigration policy with hundreds of thousands of long-term visas set to be granted this year, and it's doubtless that many of these temporary workers will eventually apply for permanent residency or intermarry with citizens and spawn many hafus
https://thediplomat.com/2018/11/making-sense-of-japans-new-immigration-policy/
And see >>20574596 for more information.

>The procreation thing is not as bad as it use to be but still could be better. In the 00's it was devastatingly low. Nowadays it's climbing up slightly.
>But the law is driven by some inescapable demographic pressures. The fertility rate has fallen to 1.4 children per women, far below the replacement rate of 2.1, while the population is already dropping by about 400,000 people a year.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/japan-passes-controversial-new-immigration-bill-to-attract-foreign-workers/2018/12/07/a76d8420-f9f3-11e8-863a-8972120646e0_story.html

>>20581377
>public safety
One of the oldest nations in the world is obviously going to also be one of the safest. Japan also has incredibly strict gun control, a pervasive and intrusive police, few constitutional restrictions on the government and the sea as a major barrier against drug and weapons smuggling
>cleanliness
You have to spend money to make a country clean, and Japan has a debt-to-GDP ratio of 253%.
https://tradingeconomics.com/japan/government-debt-to-gdp

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 19:16:33 2019 No.20582981 >>20582933 You don't need a high IQ to shuck oysters, change adult diapers or pour concrete. You do need enough people to fill all those positions though, and Japan just doesn't have that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 19:34:46 2019 No.20583106 >>20582981 Only incredibly autistic people don't see how everyone who lives in a society inevitably affects everyone else living there.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 19:47:43 2019 No.20583183 >>20582933 Only an idiot would fail to understand that rich test-taking cultures will do better on IQ tests. It's no reflection of inherent ability. In any case, a high-skilled immigration policy negates that problem entirely.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 19:54:23 2019 No.20583225 >>20583183 Even if high-skilled immigrants have high IQs, there is a "regression to the mean" effect in the inheritance of intelligence which means that their own children and grandchildren won't necessarily have IQs that match Japanese levels.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 19:57:38 2019 No.20583244 >>20583225 How did the Japanese themselves overcome it in order to gain a "high average IQ"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:06:46 2019 No.20583285 >>20583244 Thousands of years of isolation from the rest of humanity + reproductive selection for greater intelligence.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:12:55 2019 No.20583321

>>20583285
How does reproductive selection for greater intelligence work if the children don't necessarily come out as intelligent as the parents even if the parents are both high IQ? Furthermore why wouldn't that work with the immigrants? Furthermore see >>20582981 again. Why would it matter if they're just filling in low tier jobs?

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:15:13 2019 No.20583329

>>20583225
My God how fucking dumb are you? Regression to the mean applies within groups. If the group is "PhD holder expats in Japan," their IQ will easily be higher than the Japanese average. They'll either increase the mean IQ of Japan as a whole (if they intermarry) or remain a separate group with high IQ.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:21:15 2019 No.20583363

>>20583321
Time scales. Regression to the mean happens on a short time scale of a few generations, whereas east asia had tens of thousands of years of separation in which to develop the highest average IQs on the planet.

Because they don't just fill those jobs and have no other effects whatsoever. They can politically organise and vote, they can commit crime, they use government services and welfare and charity, you have to pass by them on the street and stand next to them on public transport, they exert consumer pressure and shift your consumer landscape, they can bring foreign cultures and ideas that may harm your society, they can breed with your native women (the majority of immigrants everywhere are always male), and so forth.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:22:07 2019 No.20583369

Japan has a great system that works really well at social stability and really not well at encouraging people to conduct that most basic of tasks, which every single Japanese person's ancestors have managed to do since the beginning of time: reproduce.

This is because of the inability of Japan to promise its citizens a fulfilling family life and the misery inherent in the system.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:23:55 2019 No.20583381

>>20583106
And yet most people don't really give a shit or are willing to make the compromise in return for immediate financial stability
What's the point of preserving racial homogeneity if you have to drive your country into the ground to do it?
>>20583285
The Chinese are much more culturally, linguistically and racially diverse and they score about as high as the Japanese when you adjust for public spending on education
>>20583321
>Why would it matter if they're just filling in low tier jobs?
From all of my time dealing with these people in mmo voice chats, the general belief is that the darkies act like the zerg and will vote for islamic gommunism the moment they have 50%+1 of the votes in any country

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:25:44 2019 No.20583388

>>20583363
>Regression to the mean happens on a short time scale of a few generations
Again, your total misunderstanding of the basic foundation of the concept of "regression to the mean" is yet another example of an iron law of this site: the more someone talks about IQ, the lower theirs is.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:28:55 2019 No.20583401

>>20583363
>They can politically organise and vote
Good
>they can commit crime
So can the Japanese
>they use government services and welfare and charity
If they're in the country legally they're paying taxes and therefore just as entitled to services as any other taxpayer
>you have to pass by them on the street and stand next to them on public transport
lmao
>they exert consumer pressure and shift your consumer landscape
again, good
>they can bring foreign cultures and ideas that may harm your society
I thought you people were for freedom of speech
>they can breed with your native women (the majority of immigrants everywhere are always male)
ok
>and so forth
you've only really convinced me that Japan needs more immigrants to cancel out the votes of losers like you. gj

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:31:11 2019 No.20583409 >>20583401 >you've only really convinced me that Japan needs more immigrants to cancel out the votes of losers like you. gj Anon isn't smart enough to get a visa to Japan.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:33:23 2019 No.20583411

>>20582961
>One of the oldest nations in the world is obviously going to also be one of the safest.
There is not even the slightest correlation. The Greeks are also an old nation, yet Greece is not particularly safe.

>You have to spend money to make a country clean, and Japan has a debt-to-GDP ratio of 253%.
The primary reason why Japan is so clean is their culture, and has nothing to do with spending money to clean everything.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:33:37 2019 No.20583413

>>20583388
>the more someone talks about IQ, the lower theirs is.
I've said it again and again: it's my honest belief that the smartest posters on /jp/ are the people who make bapkong and niggy posts for fifty straight days in their spare time from their jobs as particle physics and quantum chemistry PhD students or engineers for Lockheed Martin

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:36:26 2019 No.20583431

>>20583388
He's not entirely wrong. If you assume that IQ has both a genetic and a random component, and consider two populations, A and B, one of which has IQ H and one of which has IQ L, and extract two random samples from each population with IQ H, the sample from population B is likely to have children with average IQ lower than H whereas the sample from population A does not, given that the sample B population's unusually high IQ relative to national population is the result of both genetic advantage (which propagates to the next generation) as well as random chance advantage (which does not).

>>20582933
Japan also has one of the most docile, obedient, and repressed populations in the world, also selected for via dozens of generations, which is why their economy of functionaries has failed to grow at all in the last thirty years (after capping out the growth they were able to achieve simply by applying kaizen to copied Western processes) and their people, deprived of the hope that accompanies economic growth, are slowly dying out.

>>20583401
>I thought you people were for freedom of speech
Not all speech is created equal.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:38:47 2019 No.20583434

>>20583431
>He's not entirely wrong. If you assume that IQ has both a genetic and a random component, and consider two populations, A and B, one of which has IQ H and one of which has IQ L, and extract two random samples from each population with IQ H, the sample from population B is likely to have children with average IQ lower than H whereas the sample from population A does not, given that the sample B population's unusually high IQ relative to national population is the result of both genetic advantage (which propagates to the next generation) as well as random chance advantage (which does not).
We're not extracting a random sample though. The immigration proposals that are currently on the table in Japan (save guest worker visas that do not seem likely to lead to permanent residency, much less citizenship) are restricted to high skill immigrants. The academic qualifications needed to qualify alone would weed out applicants with anything but above-average intelligence.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:41:09 2019 No.20583447

>>20583431
An addendum, there's been no statistically established "random chance advantage." Heredity is through one's parents, not one's broader social group. If someone's parents are above average, they will in all likelihood be above average barring an outside environmental factor.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:44:51 2019 No.20583463 In case anyone cares, here's the list of visas from the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Japan. https://www.mofa.go.jp/j_info/visit/visa/long/index.html

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:46:10 2019 No.20583466

>>20583434
I specifically specified a sample with the higher IQ H from population B, not a random sample from population B (which would normally have IQ L), which takes into account Japan's restrictive immigration policies by assuming that they function exactly as an IQ weeder.

>>20583447
>An addendum, there's been no statistically established "random chance advantage."
The random chance advantage exists because the heritability of IQ is not 100%.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:49:13 2019 No.20583477

>>20583466
>The random chance advantage exists because the heritability of IQ is not 100%.
That means the remainder is due to environmental factors, not heredity. The environment for immigrant children would primarily be that of Japan anyway, and the parental influence would by definition be from high-achievers.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 20:56:36 2019 No.20583499

>>20583477
Nope, think of it as there being two types of heredity: 1) directly from your parents 2) from the broader genetic pool that you draw from (which approximately corresponds to ethnicity)

It's the heritability directly from your parents that isn't 100%. But much of the remainder of IQ is inherited from your broader set of genetic relatives. Environmental factors come after that.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:00:07 2019 No.20583510

>>20583477
>That means the remainder is due to environmental factors, not heredity.
A recent summary of contemporary IQ research suggests that the effect of heredity on IQ is approximately 50% but that the remaining 50% of variation is explained primarily NOT by shared environment, but by unpredictable effects. There's a decent summary review article of Blueprint in the Guardian, of all places, titled "So is it nature not nurture after all?" which I believe is a fair presentation of the issue.

Unlike the other poster, I'm not seriously arguing that Japan should cease even high-skill immigration (I'd like to go to Japan someday) but I will defend the statistical merit of the concept of regression to the mean.

>>20583499
This is a very different argument (your original argument, maybe?) from the one I'm making. Your genetic material is reflected exactly in the genetic material of your parents. The heritable component of your IQ score is influenced solely by the heritable component of your parents' IQ scores without any respect to any larger population you may come from. The IQ of the "broader genetic pool" is only useful in so far as it can be used for statistical estimates into what the heritable component of your parents' IQ scores might be; it has no effect on what you receive.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:05:23 2019 No.20583533

>>20583499
>2) from the broader genetic pool that you draw from (which approximately corresponds to ethnicity)
This isn't the case at all, and I don't know where you could possibly have gotten the idea.

The Dutch are tall, right? However, if you took everyone in the Netherlands below the 25th percentile in height and dropped them on an island, the people of that island would eventually regress to a new mean that would be quite short.

> the remaining 50% of variation is explained primarily NOT by shared environment, but by unpredictable effects.
There's no reason to believe this variation is due to anything affected by race, so it should be of no concern to immigration. The article also counteracts your exact points. It discusses how "[e]nvironmental effects are important but what we have learned in recent years is that they are mostly random – unsystematic and unstable" and the influence of "the type of environmental influences that can be planned for or readily affected – ie it’s made up of unpredictable events." The "50% is random environmental influences. While a specific person might be affected by this and end up closer (or farther) from the mean, that effect isn't heritable so the "regression to the mean" of the population as a whole doesn't occur.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:08:10 2019 No.20583543

>itt gay nerds argue using big words and high school level statistics to try to prove a point
fact of the matter is that immigration for japan = bad because i don’t want black people and indians even standing next to my pure jap waifus, let alone reproducing with them, end of discussion relinquish your keyboards

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:10:38 2019 No.20583551 >>20583543 >tfw the Japanese see your gaijin ass the same way

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:11:49 2019 No.20583557 >>20583551 aware, don’t care

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:12:40 2019 No.20583561 >>20547905 what about teaching english

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:19:38 2019 No.20583588

>>20583533
>While a specific person might be affected by this and end up closer (or farther) from the mean, that effect isn't heritable so the "regression to the mean" of the population as a whole doesn't occur.
It's precisely because this effect isn't heritable that some level of regression to the mean occurs.

If you have high "random IQ component", your children are likely to have lower IQ than you: your child keeps your heritable IQ component but rerolls on the random influence table, and probably won't match your great roll. Conversely, if you have low "random IQ component", your children are likely to have higher IQ than you: your child keeps your heritable IQ components but rerolls on the random influence table, probably higher than your shit roll.

Filtering on high IQ individuals selects a disproportionate numbers of people who have high heritable IQ component AND disproportionate numbers of people who have high random IQ component. And the generation descended from people with high random IQ components are likely to have IQs lower than theirs. The expected IQ of the children of these individuals is certainly expected to be higher than that of the original population they were drawn from (because the test selects for high heritable IQ) but lower than that of the initial founding select generation (because the test also selects for high random IQ).

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:28:45 2019 No.20583632 >>20583588 I agree with everything you said. The anon's misuse of it above is what I objected to, not the concept itself.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:34:06 2019 No.20583655

>>20581377
>You forgot public safety, cleanliness, politeness, less corruption...
You can find this in certain areas of the US as well. My guess is you never travel that much if at all.
>>20581508
The same reason why Americans are conditioned to accept the standards given to them and to have brand loyalty to a company. Americans are pressured to be consumerist thought slaves loyal to brands and products not to question our wars and what we are doing with our country that barely cares about us. It's all due to propoganda by Japanese Culture and men will call women out if they are not skinny they do not accept it and shame woman to be that fit. This also explains why we are fat and females have no standards.
>>20582829
>Regardless of your position on immigration, it clearly has beneficial effects on the specific demographic issues Japan is facing.
You can use robots, replacing ones population is not the answer especially in a crisis. The birthrate is up recently even if a little bit and it will take a long time for Japan to lose its Country while the US, Europe and Canada may not exist in the next 40 years. This is due to divorce laws and men not wanting to marry. For Japan its the work hours.
>>20582961
>I wonder if you read this thread before posting. Japan is starting to give up on its tight immigration policies - all that "Nationalism" isn't solving the employment and population growth crisis they have over there.
You really think I have not read that or talked to the locals in Japan about it? The only thing they relaxed on is temporary work for 5 years and they go back home essentially. There is NO PERMANENT citizenship they work 16 hours a day and are away from the native population. That's the difference I am talking about here. America, Europe have this problem where they will be stuck with low wage workers that will eventually lower wages and will bring the native population to be homeless.
>Qouting Washington Post
Sorry I do not believe in fake news.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:35:10 2019 No.20583658 >>20583431 >Not all speech is created equal Do you support or oppose censorship?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:37:21 2019 No.20583671 >>20583543 This but with whites and Americans.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:38:00 2019 No.20583675 >>20583401 This is a bait poster and a troll. Ignore him.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:46:06 2019 No.20583715 >>20581749 Easier said than done.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:46:38 2019 No.20583716

>>20583543
Agreed. If Japan is not Japanese then it's really not unique as a culture. America and British boomers really sold their children out in regards to Immigration and will have to deal with
>High rising home prices
>Lower wages
>Not having a distinct culture
>outsourcing that will create homeless population
>Your country will no longer exist
>>20583551
Yes we are aware this is why many of us are trying to tell the dumb Weaboos that they are dumb for thinking Japanese people accept them because they are "kind". Instead of moving there how about trying to create a culture like this in the home country and start being nationalistic like they are.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:48:51 2019 No.20583728

>>20581749
That's the spirit! We need to become like them not try to go over there like a bunch of 3rd worldists with the gibs me dat mentallity. We can try to push for policies in our countries to be like them and exceed what they do. Japan is just a perfect example of what we need to try to be like and what we use to have in our home countries.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:48:58 2019 No.20583730 >>20581749 Rather than worrying about importing or not importing Westerners to fix retarded structural problems in Japanese society, Japanese need to get their shit together and work out how to make it so that their citizens are willing to reproduce.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:52:20 2019 No.20583753 If you guys are the future of Western society I hope it's eventually destroyed in fire.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:54:37 2019 No.20583761 >>20583753 Depending on who you mean that's what's going to happen anyways. You better hope it doesn't.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:54:58 2019 No.20583765

>>20583675
Suck my cock dude. I'm baiting you because we've had this off-topic """""debate""""" on /jp/ hundreds of times where your kind repeat the same unsourced arguments you got from blogposts youtube videos and screencapped greentexts. They're boring, never in good faith and the more they're tolerated the more redditors who think I should be in prison for my 18+ VNs feel comfortable migrating into /jp/ and shitting up even further. People like this have zero fucking self-awareness or any sense of humour, they think Chad knocking up La'Quanda is genocide and trolling them and you is the only way I can have fun in these threads

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:56:44 2019 No.20583779 >>20583765 T. Schizophrenic leftist that wants everyone to follow their flawed idealogy.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 21:58:58 2019 No.20583792

>>20583761
Do you think I'm joking? I'm not, I genuinely hope that your worst nightmares come true. I hope that we import ten million niggers and muslims and beaners every year into your country, give them your tax dollars and when the country burns down from global warming I hope your last memories are of freezing to death with your /pol/ buddies in some bunker in the hills

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:01:04 2019 No.20583811

>>20583765
/jp/ and a lot of other Japanese communities have this phenomenon in which the people in it admire Japanese otaku culture and its virtues (creativity, community, dedication, perseverance, self-determination, humility) and attempt to become Japanese in mindset and spirit, except because they haven't got any creative virtues or ability to do actually do this with, they just emulate netouyo and politically shitpost all day instead.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:04:00 2019 No.20583831 >>20583779 Do you or do you not think that I should be in prison because of my eroge? Because the vast majority of the_donald does, and they outnumber your kind ten to one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:06:47 2019 No.20583852 >>20583831 >Browses Leddit and not /pol Now i can easily dismiss your arguments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:08:30 2019 No.20583864 this thread is fucked

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:08:51 2019 No.20583869 >>20583811 Politics was and will always be a mistake.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:09:24 2019 No.20583873

>>20583811
Arguing about politics allows you to feel virtuous without actually doing anything virtuous. For an online community it's basically distilled cancer.

>>20583864
Quick, argue about something stupid for twenty-five posts so we never have to look at it again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:10:13 2019 No.20583876 >>20583852 Again, do you or do you not think that I should be in prison because of my eroge? Because the vast majority of the_donald does, and they outnumber your kind ten to one.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:11:17 2019 No.20583890 >>20583864 >>20583869 >>20583873 >>20583876 This is pretty quick response time you have there lol. >Hurry memory hole this I have no arguments.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:11:20 2019 No.20583891 >>20583873 thirty-five, bump limit on the jay is 310

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:13:44 2019 No.20583907 >>20583873 Let's discuss the incoming dysgenic catastrophe that's about to befall Japan because all the best seiyuu aren't reproducing and eventually all the good voice acting talent will disappear. >>20583890 Case in point.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:13:58 2019 No.20583910 >>20583873 >>20583890 schizo poster lol

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:14:36 2019 No.20583917 >>20583792 Don't see why you need to hope for that because it's already happening... If you hope I can have buddies with me in the hour of my death, then that's sweet.

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Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:17:02 2019 No.20583934

>>20583907
>Befall Japan
Oh no house prices are going to fall oh the humanity
Oh no the products are going to become cheaper oh the humanity
Oh the wages are going to be higher on the humanity
Oh the culture is going to stay the same but with less people oh the humanity.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:19:03 2019 No.20583946 File: 878 KB, 729x1016, 1536758152961.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] /jp/ has fallen so far that even I'm forgetting to sage. Apologies

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:19:47 2019 No.20583952 >>20583907 tamura yukari, horie yui, kugimiya rie, mizuki nana all this talent will be lost in time, like tears in rain >>20583934 did you even read the post that you were responding to this is your brain on politics

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:19:52 2019 No.20583953

>>20583897
>>20583905
>>20583910
>>20583915
>>20583917
>>20583924
>>20583929
>>20583941
>>20583946
>Is getting their ass beat so bad on the Immigration argument that you have to complain about politics
>Tries to post multiple times in the thread.
Oh NO NO NO! HAHAHAHA!!!

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:21:24 2019 No.20583966 >>20583953 Immigration control here; please present your /jp/ visa issue date and papers.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:24:41 2019 No.20583994
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>>20583953
I don't think you understand why so many people here genuinely hate you. It's not because of some dumb political argument, it's because you're fucking importing politics into one of the last boards on 4chan that's relatively free from your normalfag fucking autism

I come here to get away from the real world, your real world cancerous political autism is not wanted here and ironic given that you're mad at foreigners for refusing to integrate into their host society

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:25:53 2019 No.20583999 >>20583953 delusional

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Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:29:27 2019 No.20584023

>>20583994
in some sense a great deal of this is the fault of the guy who made a magnificent political bait shitpost which drew out the usual suspects

until then you could have pretended it was a critical argument about japanese culture itself if you really squinted

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:34:29 2019 No.20584059 >>20583994 >Writes 3 paragraphs about nothing If you hate politics just do not visit the thread bro. >>20583999 COPE >>20584023 >Magnificent shitposting >Sucking your dick this hard

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:38:08 2019 No.20584079 >>20584043 >Does not believe in God unless it benefits their degenerecy >Believes in abstract concepts like hell for their enemy HAHAHAHA! LMAO!

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:38:34 2019 No.20584080

>>20584059
>If you hate politics just do not visit the thread bro.
This wasn't a politics thread until the usual suspects made it into one.

Nobody likes you because you're a dumb faggot with a victim complex. Whatever shithole spawned you isn't sending their best.

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>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:39:37 2019 No.20584089 >>20584079 >degenerecy 出た

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:39:39 2019 No.20584090 >>20584079 who are you quoting?

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:40:50 2019 No.20584102

>>20584073
>>20584070
>>20584067
>>20584057
>>20584050
>>20584034
>>20584026
>>20584020
>>20584012
>>20584007
>>20583997
>>20583994
>>20583955
>>20584081
T. Crybaby that will be remembered for losing an argument and then rage quitting afterwards.
>>20584080
>Nobody likes you because you're a dumb faggot with a victim complex. Whatever shithole spawned you isn't sending their best.
That projection is so fitting for leftists like you lol.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:41:18 2019 No.20584104 >>20584059 mad xd

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:42:25 2019 No.20584108 >>20584090 >>20584089 >>20584104 T. Asshurt troll XD LMAO

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:44:09 2019 No.20584116

>>20584102
There isn't a single person in all of /jp/, even including the generation back when athens was leading the crusade against women in the proto-/r9k/ days, who would side with your juvenile antics and crossboarding shitposter memes. It's not even your position itself as how you react to others.

Nobody will remember this as anything other than the time that a retarded faggot fresh off the board from /pol/ deluded himself into believing that anyone wanted him around.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:44:50 2019 No.20584120 >>20584108 Who are you quoting, though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:46:44 2019 No.20584131 >>20584116 >Writes two paragraphs about 2006 and literally a nothing post >Doesn't realize its 2019 Get with the times grandpa. >>20584120 ><Who are you quoting, though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:49:21 2019 No.20584146 its pretty sad that you couldn't handle the pol banter so you had to derail a jp thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:50:47 2019 No.20584150 >>20584131 >><Who are you quoting, though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:51:13 2019 No.20584151 just ignore him

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:51:48 2019 No.20584153

>>20584131
>Get with the times grandpa.
If your goal here was to make yourself look like a base invading shitposter, congratulations, you passed with flying colors. If your goal was pretty much anything else, well, not so much. I don't think anyone could have done a better caricature of a retard if they tried.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:52:01 2019 No.20584156

>>20584146
That's how these types are. It's alright when their side says something because they think they are winning. But as soon as there is a reasonable counterargument suddenly they want to derail and think politics are bad to hide that they can't handle they may be wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:53:50 2019 No.20584166 >>20584156 >T. Asshurt troll XD the epitome of reasonable counterarguments

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:55:24 2019 No.20584171 >>20584146 This was a shite thread to begin with

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:56:19 2019 No.20584178 >>20584153 >Not killing themselves after the age of 30 >Thinking that it's 2006 >Is easily asshurt >Calls everyone retarded and uses morality This is sad. You became the thing you hated over the years. >>20584166 That guy isn't me you dumbass.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:59:26 2019 No.20584191 >>20584156 I would actually believe this if the /pol/yp in this thread didn't cherrypick posts to argue with and evade arguments that he knew he couldn't win

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 22:59:40 2019 No.20584193

>>20584178
>This is sad. You became the thing you hated over the years.
Nah, I've always consistently hated retards, raiders, and self-justifying shitposters with victim complexes such as yourself.

Oh look, you're doing all of them even as we speak. Welcome to /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:01:40 2019 No.20584205 Wish I could understand who's baiting whom when people on both sides resemble crossposters by /jp/ standards (that I keep in my head).

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:03:47 2019 No.20584218

>>20584191
>Projecting this hard
LMAO HAHAHAHAHA!!! OH NO NO!
>>20584193
>victim complexes such as yourself.
Lol the projection!!! LMAO!!!
>Oh look, you're doing all of them even as we speak. Welcome to /jp/.
Thanks for letting us know you fuck your waifu pillow at night. Welcome to /jp/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:05:09 2019 No.20584228 does anyone else find it ironic that the post which precipitated the pushing of the thread off a cliff was a post saying to ignore the bait that everyone had already been ignoring anyway

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:06:32 2019 No.20584237 >>20584218 >Thanks for letting us know you fuck your waifu pillow at night. This sums up your entire participation here better than anything else in this thread. Go ahead and tell us what shithole first directed you to /jp/ so we know who to blame.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:07:45 2019 No.20584245 >>20584218 Do you think that people who play "degenerate" eroge should be censored? Yes or no?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:09:17 2019 No.20584253 >>20584245 Additionally, are you okay with voting for a nationalist government, given that all of them also oppose "degeneracy" and when in power seek to censor it?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:13:32 2019 No.20584272 >>20584245 >>20584253 >Being triggered by the word degenerecy I can't help you kid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:16:33 2019 No.20584289 >>20584272 It's a yes or no question, do you think that "degeneracy" (which includes pornographic materials, given that it goes against public morals around sexual behaviour) should be censored?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:17:20 2019 No.20584295 >>20584272 For my part I'm curious what made you think that that gratuitously shitting on pretty much the entire cross-spectrum of /jp/ interests would help serve any useful purpose towards whatever it is you wanted to accomplish here.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:17:33 2019 No.20584297 >>20584228 >Hey guys do not fall for the politics trap >Falls for it anyways Ffs when will people learn to avoid the topic and not be baited this easily.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:19:09 2019 No.20584305 >>20584218 Alright, you're an actual crossboarder.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:20:09 2019 No.20584309 >>20584289 >>20584295 >Posting two replies to hurry and archive the thread Lol the amount of desperation is beyond pathetic. If I knew this word would piss you guys off I would just use it in every thread.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:25:09 2019 No.20584333

>>20584309
You seem to be having trouble answering a question, which I've asked you twice now. I'll ask it clearly, in case there's any misunderstanding:

Do you think that any kind of media that is "degenerate" in that it violates some sort of moral values surrounding sexuality, obscenity, etc. be subject to censorship, up to but not including: imprisonment, confiscation/destruction of the media, fines, penal labour, and closure/banning of the hosts of the censored media?

Please check one:

Yes []
No []

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:25:30 2019 No.20584334

>>20584309
>Posting two replies to hurry and archive the thread
Posting in a thread after it hits bump limit doesn't archive the thread any faster. At this point it's not clear whether you're merely pretending to be a retard or whether you actually are one.

>If I knew this word would piss you guys off I would just use it in every thread.
If you want to out yourself as an outsider and a retard in literally every /jp/ thread you're in, be my guest. Sky's the limit. Though I somehow doubt you post in anything that wasn't a shitpost general anyway.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:26:17 2019 No.20584340 >>20583728 Reading this post made me shiver. It's objectively over the top sarcasm but it's only a tad too ludicrous compared to what people say in earnest.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:27:11 2019 No.20584343 >>20584340 I thought he was being serious.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:28:49 2019 No.20584357

>>20584334
At this point the best thing to do is to just keep asking him whether or not he thinks eroge is "degeneracy" and approves its censorship, given that he obviously is for censorship but is self-aware enough that saying that openly on 4chan will make him look like the moralfag retard he is

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:32:04 2019 No.20584375 >>20584333 >>20584357 I do not answer to Autism. >>20584334 Lol the only retard is the person who keeps responding to the word. Degeneracy >>20584340 T. Jew that survived the Holocaust.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:33:37 2019 No.20584386 >>20584343 I... hope he wasn't. The site is wrong. It is written like a reddit comment.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:34:46 2019 No.20584391

>>20584375
It's a yes or no question, and I think you're evading answering a simple yes or no question because you know that you little chance of winning an argument for censorship of pornography on 4chan of all places.

So, do you think that people who play "degenerate" eroge should be censored? Yes or no?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:36:40 2019 No.20584400 >>20584386 >It reads like Reddit How do you know how those comments are? Could it be you are from there and infiltrating here? >>20584391 I do not answer to Autism.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:36:55 2019 No.20584405

>>20584357
At first I didn't buy this idea because it's difficult to believe that anyone on 4chan could be pro-censorship, but then I remembered that there's a whole other 4chan out there staffed entirely by retards.

>>20584386
These days the phone call comes from inside the house.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:40:07 2019 No.20584421 >>20584400 You seem to be having incredible difficulty answering a simple yes or no question. Only takes a few key strokes and a few seconds of captcha. Do you think that people who play "degenerate" eroge should be censored? Yes or no?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:43:08 2019 No.20584436 >>20584421 I do not answer to Autism. >>20584405 >Calling 4chan staff retards Good going. Back to cripple Chan with you.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:45:32 2019 No.20584448 >>20584436 You suddenly seem to be very, VERY reluctant to engage in debate. About a topic that's /jp/-related, no less! Why is that? Also, do you think that people who play "degenerate" eroge should be censored? Yes or no?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:45:37 2019 No.20584450 >>20584436 >Calling 4chan staff retards I refuse to believe that anyone alive is as stupid as you are pretending to be. You must be pretending. There's simply no other sane explanation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:46:12 2019 No.20584455 >>20584448 I do not answer to Autism.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:47:24 2019 No.20584463 >>20584400 >How do you know how those comments are? You gotta know your enemy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:48:03 2019 No.20584470 >>20584450 This is how the leftist acts when they are caught off guard. They are always surprised and end up calling everyone retards except for them.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:49:32 2019 No.20584478 >>20584470 This is how all people act when they encounter statements that are simply monstrously fucking stupid.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:51:11 2019 No.20584489 >>20584478 This is how the leftist reacts to a reasonable reaction of them reacting with autistic screeching to the topic.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:54:24 2019 No.20584503

>>20584489
In the last ten posts alone you've made an objectively false and profoundly idiotic claim about people trying to "archive the thread" and made the most world-class award-winning dumbest possible interpretation of >>20584405 imaginable. Nobody does this to you. You do it to yourself.

You also have, as far as anyone can tell, zero /jp/-related interests and are here exclusively to shitpost.

Anonymous Mon Jan 7 23:55:07 2019 No.20584508

>>20584455
Not only is it a topic that's /jp/-related, it's something that I think that most people on 4chan can agree on: the government shouldn't be in the business of censoring people. After all, a lot of us are interested in some weird stuff here, and there's millions of busybody christfags and conservatives that think that 18+ cartoons are EVIL and should be wiped off the Earth and those who like them thrown in jail. All because they think that it's "degenerate," morally wrong.

I'm sure that you don't believe that though. After all, conservatives and christfags and moralfags love to bang on and on about how they LOVE freedom of speech and they're the only ones fighting for it, so it would be *incredibly* hypocritical of you to be a part of a free speech movement (and it appears that you are) but also advocate for censorship of cartoons you think are morally wrong.

Good thing I have a simple yes or no question that you can answer to clear all that up:
Do you think that people who play "degenerate" eroge should be censored? Yes or no?

Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:06:30 2019 No.20584548

>>20584508
>2 pages of response
>This amount of autism over the word degenerecy
>Trying this hard for bait
LMAO.
>>20584503
>Trying this hard to shame
>Is mad about being called out about derailing the thread
>Gets so mad from posting random pictures
>Has to stop and argue
Now thats what I call high Autism.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:09:24 2019 No.20584561 >>20584548 It must be really convenient to live in a world where rewriting other people's posts into arbitrary crap can be considered an actual response.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:11:01 2019 No.20584570 >>20584561 That's communism and your posts in a nutshell.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:15:24 2019 No.20584582 >>20584570 Only one person in this conversation has been writing retarded non-paraphrases in lieu of actual quotes and you get one guess who it is.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:18:51 2019 No.20584591 >>20584582 Only one person in this conversation has been writing asshurt non-paraphrases in lieu of actual quotes and you get one guess who it is.

Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:20:22 2019 No.20584595

>>20584548
I really hate to say this, and I certainly don't want to make any accusations without any evidence backing them up, but...you've been having a really hard time trying to respond to a simple, yes or no question about whether things that most conservatives, christfags and reactionaries consider "degeneracy" should be banned. Specifically eroge, though I only gave that as an example since I like eroge. It could be H manga or anime, lewd figs, lewd cosplay, etc. I like all of those things too, but that's beside the point.

So, I reeeeally don't want to say this - I want this to be a productive debate, where people trade viewpoints in good faith to arrive at a better understand of each other - but it seems like you're intentionally refusing to directly answer this question.

I mean, I would hope that that's completely untrue, since if it isn't, then that would mean that, for whatever reason, you advocate censorship while spending quite a lot of time on a website where, at any one time, there are well over a dozen or so threads that have borderline pornpgraphic OP images. The people here are uniformly immersed and comfortable with such "degenerate" media, in large part because it's one of the few places that they can go and discuss it anonymously without being judged!

I really hope that this isn't the case, so I'm going to give it another shot. For the sake of debate, that great act of western intellectual tradition.

Do you think that people who play "degenerate" eroge should be censored? Yes or no?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:36:23 2019 No.20584658 >>20584595 >5 paragraphs LMAO!!!

Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:37:12 2019 No.20584663

>>20584658
I must say that this is making me rather confused. I mean, you came into this thread seeking stimulating intellectual debate about your favourite topic (immigration) and while that's not really possible, given that continued debate over immigration policy is against the rules of /jp/ and belongs on /pol/, I'm trying to meet you halfway and discuss an important political subject that is very much /jp/-related and impacts the liberties of most /jp/sies.

But I find it bizarre that once I shifted the topic of conversation from one that was off-topic and in violation of the board rules to one that was in the clear and directly related to otaku culture, you stopped contributing to the debate and have spent well over an hour now replying to my simple requests for an answer to the question "Do you think that people who play "degenerate" eroge should be censored? Yes or no?" with insults that refuse to even discuss the subject at hand, let alone answer the question.

Look, I really don't want to say it, but I have no choice but to conclude that you are intentionally evading answering my question.

Of course, we can get this conversation going with a yes or no to the following: Do you think that people who play "degenerate" eroge should be censored?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:44:50 2019 No.20584702 >>20584663 >4 paragraphs LMAO oh no no no!

Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:46:23 2019 No.20584713

This is getting boring so I'm just going to jump ahead to the moral of the story: nationalist/conservative retards who obsess over immigration are immense moralfags who also hate many of their fellow whites, they have no problem with using force and violence to silence people they think read or watch "degenerate" H manga and anime, and people who want to punish and hurt us for fapping to Roki or Yassy are a cancer on 4chan and should be ridiculed and insulted as such.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:46:54 2019 No.20584718 >>20584663 you should shut the fuck up and pay more attention to the top half of this thread rather than the shithole you made of the bottom half

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:49:01 2019 No.20584733 >>20584718 >>20584171

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:50:38 2019 No.20584742 >>20584713 >TFW you give up and waste time on writing on shit no one but you will read. LMAO is this what being a leftist is like? >>20584733 >>20584570

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:52:13 2019 No.20584749 >>20584733 idk man it seems like it occupied like the past 6 hours of your life along with a bunch of sad armchair race scientists' lives. and you paid nothing for that great entertainment except your worthless time

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 00:57:11 2019 No.20584766 >>20584749 it was actually fun at the beginning needling him over and over after he ran out of his eight or so catch phrases

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 01:01:03 2019 No.20584780 >>20584766 i wouldn't know i didnt read any of that shit. i was just trying to see if anyone replied to >>20580601 yet because my time isn't fucking worthless

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 01:05:08 2019 No.20584802 >>20584780 If you're lurking a thread that's long since hit the post count I highly doubt your time is worth much

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 01:07:36 2019 No.20584812 >>20584766 >Spamming 6 paragraphs >Wasted the whole thread COPE.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 01:07:47 2019 No.20584813 >>20584802 i don't spend enough time here to know what that even means

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 01:13:09 2019 No.20584835 >>20584802 >Can't type a simple sentence LMAO!!! What a dumb 3rd worldist.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 01:35:15 2019 No.20584920 retards on parade

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 02:59:17 2019 No.20585174 >>20584920 kek

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 03:09:23 2019 No.20585204 >>20584920 Okay, now this is epic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 03:53:50 2019 No.20585337 >>20544381 I'm glad this fucking weeb thread is finally dead. I hope Japan goes isolationist again after 2020 and bans you fags from entering for the rest of your lifetime.

Anonymous Tue Jan 8 03:58:32 2019 No.20585342
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>>20550914
I learned Japanese (atleast the basics) at my community college. It certainly helped accelerate my rate of learning the basic baby shit like the alphabet, basic grammar, etc. I'm a pretty lazy person so I would never learn it on my own time, but now that I have that under my belt I'm free to self-study.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 8 04:05:41 2019 No.20585361 >>20585342 > I'm a pretty lazy person so I would never learn it on my own time > self-study How?

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