DJT #2069

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DJT #2069 Anonymous Sat Dec 29 00:28:07 2018 No.20511082 [Reply] [Original]

DJT - Daily Japanese Thread

絶対零度 Edition

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前スレ: >>20496775

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 00:30:22 2018 No.20511090 Any easy trick to knowing when 入る and all its conjugations is はいる or いる? The stupidest thing in this language is both of these being written the same way and both of them being 五段 verbs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:02:33 2018 No.20511271 Does anyone have epubs or azw3s for 響け! ユーフォニアム?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:08:40 2018 No.20511303 >>20511090 Watch more anime

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:21:18 2018 No.20511364 >>20511303 I meant when reading without furigana, how can you tell the difference? Obviously it isn't a problem when watching anime since they're both pronounced differently.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:25:51 2018 No.20511388 >>20511090 If you're struggling with the writing just wait for real language

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:26:22 2018 No.20511389 >>20511364 You watch more anime so you know from context which one it is

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:28:27 2018 No.20511397 >>20511388 >>20511389 You guys can simply admit that you don't know the difference in usage either instead of giving these non answers.

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:30:00 2018 No.20511406 >>20511082 >going to try for N3 in July >have studied kanji daily for 7 months now >have studied zero grammar What are my prospects?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:30:27 2018 No.20511409 >>20511090 just assume that 入る is はいる and 入れる is いれる until you know which reading to use based on the collocation you're looking at aside from that highly flawed guess you can make, no there's no trick

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:30:43 2018 No.20511412 >>20511406 Depends on how much anime you have watched

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:31:58 2018 No.20511419 >>20511403 I guess it's true what they say, all the people who attained any semblance of proficiency in Japanese have already jumped ship. This place has really gone downhill. Even /int/'s DJT is now better.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:32:11 2018 No.20511421 >>20511397 Are you affraid you're going to read out loud to the class wrong? Just stop worrying about it and git gud because it's a non question in the end.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:32:49 2018 No.20511426
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>>20511406
>studied zero grammar in over seven months
What the fuck, did you only do anki decks for seven months? How did the curiosity of learning basic sentence structure never come to you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:32:51 2018 No.20511427 File: 539 KB, 1122x1600, illya01_005.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20511406 >>have studied kanji daily for 7 months now >>have studied zero grammar what the fuck abandon your cult and start consuming japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:33:21 2018 No.20511431 >>20511409 That's what I thought, was already pretty much operating on that basis. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:34:32 2018 No.20511434 >>20511419 But that is literally correct advice. There's no "trick" to knowing which one it is, you just have to get a feel for it

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:37:32 2018 No.20511444

>>20511434
I get that you have to feel it out eventually, but each variant obviously applies to different contexts, same as 開く being used as あく or ひらく depending on the context. It's fine if you don't know enough to explain it though, we won't judge you.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:38:03 2018 No.20511450

>>20511419
You do realize there's a bunch of words that do that right? Like 15 so far that I've seen alone, and the use of which can differ all of the time. It's like in english or any language you just have to get used to it and memorize how natives do it. Stop procrastinating and looking for all of these rules you cry baby bitch.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:39:37 2018 No.20511457 >>20511450 >I don't know the answer so I'll simply resort to insults. You know, you could just be a man about it and admit that you're not advanced enough to explain the reasons behind it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:39:57 2018 No.20511460 >>20511426 >>20511427 I remember bits and pieces of it from my 2-month study abroad trip to Japan but I just think kanji itself is really cool. I mostly never started grammar out of being intimidated by it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:41:13 2018 No.20511466 >>20511444 Yeah let me just list every possible context you could use it in. I'm sure that would be helpful and not a long list at all

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:41:39 2018 No.20511470 File: 918 KB, 870x720, 1493014573537.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20511460 >loved doing kanji >intimidated by the grammar

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:41:49 2018 No.20511471 >>20511457 Is there an "easy" trick? No. Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:43:24 2018 No.20511481 this thread went downhill fast

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:43:39 2018 No.20511483 >>20511471 As far as you know there isn't. I'm pretty sure natives would know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:44:51 2018 No.20511489 >>20511481 One man's downhill is another man's uphill.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:49:14 2018 No.20511515 >>20511483 Natives don't have any tricks either, they just know what sounds right. This is what you should be aiming for too and anime helps with it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 01:50:03 2018 No.20511522 >>20511483 Not that guy, but sometimes you need constant exposure and awareness of what's consistent. How do you think Japanese natives feel when they try to learn English, look up tricks, and realize it's a fucking mess of a language?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 02:07:12 2018 No.20511603
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>>20511483
Imagine the frustration that natives feel when they realize that there's no ふりがな system for English. A lot of folks don't realize that the crux of learning languages is making mistakes and learning from them over a long period of time and likewise, sometimes those mistakes manifest in the population. The problem with every language is that there's going to be inconsistencies, nonsensical rules, stuff that should be one way but end up turning into another. Words evolve with the times, just like how nobody minds the topic marker being pronounced わ despite being written as は. There are patterns, but not everything has one.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 02:22:40 2018 No.20511664 >>20511522 english ain't no mess. Those nips just need to lock themselves in the bathroom stall longer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 02:26:43 2018 No.20511681 File: 129 KB, 241x314, 1493433215194.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20511664 >english ain't no mess >it's a germanic language where over 70% of its vocabulary isn't even from its own language family

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 02:31:46 2018 No.20511705 File: 11 KB, 287x190, 笑.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >english ain't no mess

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 02:33:22 2018 No.20511712 File: 133 KB, 279x327, 1545972106683.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20511664

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 02:51:54 2018 No.20511762 >>20511664 >english ain't no mess Hahahaha

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:12:40 2018 No.20511817 File: 78 KB, 300x263, 1519033620739.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20511664 >english ain't no mess https://aclassen.faculty.arizona.edu/content/english-language-crazy-inconsistencies

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:19:14 2018 No.20511834 >>20511664 English is degenerating as we speak thanks to the influx of all the "english"-speaking niggers, refugees, thirld-worlders and ESLs that outnumber native speakers thanks to its status as international language.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:21:02 2018 No.20511841 >>20511834 If you think the language was fine 500 years ago, boy do I have news for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:24:30 2018 No.20511854 >>20511834 You mean you don't recognise the legitimacy of Ugandan English?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:48:37 2018 No.20511919
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>>20511834
>English is degenerating as we speak thanks to the influx of all the Norman invaders and Anglo-Saxon scum, Pictish refugees, Irish, and highlanders that outnumber native speakers thanks to its status as national language

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 03:56:09 2018 No.20511943 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPSdvGZ51IY >Japanese beatbox championship live right now >Japanese still not good enough to participate in the chat ;_;

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 04:26:13 2018 No.20512027 i need 'norwegian wood' or some other easy read by Murakami in electronic format pls help

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 04:40:48 2018 No.20512063 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu61L7y3qqw

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 04:58:33 2018 No.20512120 File: 145 KB, 1200x800, electricity.0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20512027 >electronic format

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 04:59:23 2018 No.20512123 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uh6dkL1M9DM

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 05:22:11 2018 No.20512191 File: 397 KB, 1280x720, djt you can dekiru.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 06:50:39 2018 No.20512644 >have 90% retention rate >still get pissed off when I forget a card

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 06:54:39 2018 No.20512663 >>20511817 I mean we have to deal with more or less the same shit in Japanese, no? It is pretty aids though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:09:33 2018 No.20512726 にほんせんそうまきこまれそうなんですけどなんかばっかみたいなせんそうなんですけど

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:19:51 2018 No.20512770
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Hello /djt/,
I have Yomichan extension set up for Firefox linked to my computer's anki and it has allowed me to mine and learn a lot of words. I'll be traveling soon and won't have access to my PC. I have the anki program linked to my cellphone for practice, but I can't add new words on there. I was wondering if there were similar tools for quickly adding words to an anki deck on a cellphone? Thanks in advance.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:24:02 2018 No.20512787 I'm like N3 but I still get tripped up on noun modifiers. >食べる豚 >食べられる豚 A native told me that the 2nd is rare and unused. How would you say "a pig that eats" and "a pig that is eaten" then?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:30:18 2018 No.20512814 >>20512770 Press the + button and then "add". You'll have to go through the process yourself but it is possible to add cards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 07:49:52 2018 No.20512928 これにほんわるい？わかんないんだけどおしえておにいちゃん https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s93-l68D3Eo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T9Sy0w3nWeY

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 08:08:53 2018 No.20513028 File: 144 KB, 720x1280, miko_no.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I hate my life.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 08:14:12 2018 No.20513056 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YRqU6pYMQE watch teh dolly

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 08:26:34 2018 No.20513104 File: 846 KB, 1000x695, based and dollypilled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20513056 Eerie, I just made this for fun before bedtime, but here we are.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 08:35:39 2018 No.20513137

Wish someone had explained to me what a light novel is earlier, I just assumed it had to do with the time investment alone, not the level of difficulty and vocabulary, so I never felt the need to look up the definition. Finally it makes sense that LNs are so popular among noobs.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 08:37:40 2018 No.20513144 Someone please get out the genkis... i cant get my day started without teh dolly...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 08:50:50 2018 No.20513200 >>20513137 honestly you're probably the noob here n3君. i've read several ln's and several real novels. SAO is a lot harder than most "big boy" novels

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 08:50:58 2018 No.20513201 File: 77 KB, 271x338, shes giving you til the count of 10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20513144

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:12:50 2018 No.20513322

４時までに自分の仕事が終わったら、手伝ってあげるよ。
Is there any indicator here why the ったら ending is 'if' instead of 'when'? Or is it all just based on context?
Shows it's translated as
I will help you if I have finished my work by four.
But I keep reading it as
I will help you when I have finished my work by four

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:13:47 2018 No.20513329 >>20511082 atta boy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:22:00 2018 No.20513390 It's a tara conditional dude 4 o'clock-until self's work finish-if, (will) help

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:31:22 2018 No.20513436 File: 25 KB, 400x400, 1504919653300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] lads where can i download ものべの

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:32:38 2018 No.20513441 >>20513436 Steam you fucking pedophile

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:33:18 2018 No.20513443 >>20513441 is it in japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:34:15 2018 No.20513454 stop jerking off to illustrated analogues for children you sick fucks

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:35:17 2018 No.20513457 >>20513322 https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#たら Seems there isnt necessarily a nuance of if/when and trying to force it into an english equivalent wont always work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:35:26 2018 No.20513461 File: 33 KB, 512x502, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20513441 >>20513454

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:51:38 2018 No.20513572

>>20512787
>How would you say "a pig that eats" and "a pig that is eaten" then?
This is a general reply, but I would say you should fundamentally stop thinking of Japanese grammar in English terms like that. You shouldn't think "how would this English be represented in Japanese?" You need to go full Japanese and think about it from a Japanese perspective from the ground up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:52:34 2018 No.20513576 File: 16 KB, 210x198, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i promise i wont do anything mean just tell me which one u fuckers is the dollman

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 09:54:06 2018 No.20513591

>>20513572
I did and it didn't work. I've seen stuff like
>選ぶ人
and I don't know if it means "person who votes" or "person who was voted for" because with context it seems to mean either at different times and it confuses me.
Sometimes you gotta map it onto English temporarily for a grammar explanation, especially if you're pre-N1.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:09:12 2018 No.20513726 >>20513576 I love teh dolly so much... shes so cute bros...

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:17:04 2018 No.20513790 nah dude that times passed theres a new hotness but i havent shared her w. the boys yet

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:19:23 2018 No.20513808 >>20512027 if you mean ebook format, i'd imagine norwegian wood is in the CoR ebook collection.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:20:33 2018 No.20513816 File: 32 KB, 967x298, don'tyouevergiveup.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Don't you give up, guys. Have you all learned your kanji-tachi yet?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:21:37 2018 No.20513821 you say "learned" but image say "remembered" thinknig emoji

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:22:00 2018 No.20513825 How do i into sentence mining? How do you guys decide which sentences to mine?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:23:20 2018 No.20513835 >>20513816 epic win lol yolo

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:23:52 2018 No.20513838 >>20513576 noone who can actually speak japanese would browse these threads

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:24:22 2018 No.20513843 >>20513816 This is too good haha Pretty solid

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:24:30 2018 No.20513845 >>20511082 This is the best edit of that meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:39:17 2018 No.20513960 "遽" post an uglier kanji i dare you

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:40:54 2018 No.20513975 >>20513845 Except reading kanji is easier than furigana

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:41:06 2018 No.20513979 顔

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:45:06 2018 No.20514007 >>20513960 鬱

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 10:51:22 2018 No.20514033 >>20513960 士

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:12:04 2018 No.20514166 >>20513576 lol it's weird these youtubers hivemind us so much

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:17:31 2018 No.20514209 alright lads can i get a VN recommendation that is NOT pedoshit? ty i need it to be slightly more difficult than moege

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:23:45 2018 No.20514249 >come home blackout drunk >check anki today to see that I did 30 new cards the night before when I was shitfaced which I don't consciously remember at all >remember 28 of them What in the fuck

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:24:46 2018 No.20514255 >>20513591 Same problem here. The weird thing is little differences can flip the meanings back and forth. I guess you just have to get used to how it's used but man it's hard sometimes figuring it out when reading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:24:52 2018 No.20514256 >>20514209 Fuck off and die, normalfag scum.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:30:28 2018 No.20514296 I'm scared to watch the last episode of goblin slayer. I have a feeling it's not going to go so well for them in the end.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:31:54 2018 No.20514306 >>20514296 Nice blog

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:32:38 2018 No.20514310 >>20514249 drunken master of moonrunes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:32:44 2018 No.20514312 >>20514296 a goblin slayers work is never done

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:32:52 2018 No.20514314 >>20514296 I have a few shows that I haven't finished in months/years cause I'm too emotionally frail for it >>20514306 Drown in a septic tank, cumguzzler

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:33:37 2018 No.20514319

Man some of the default stories in the RTK anki deck from the cornucopia are so fucking bad. Lots of them are like paragraph-long blog posts and shoutouts that have little or nothing to do with anything. Just shit like "Oh man I had a lot of trouble with this one, but thanks to XxXSuperSaiyinXxX I was able to come up with this story. Thanks bro", or like the 1100th one was just "Congratulations on making it half-way!"

The alternate ones are usually significantly better so I dunno why they're not the ones displayed by default.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:34:17 2018 No.20514323 >>20514319 RTK Is for fucking retards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:34:30 2018 No.20514327 >>20514314 nice edgy reply my ninja

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:35:01 2018 No.20514329 >>20514323 why

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:36:21 2018 No.20514335 >>20514329 Because a) it doesn't teach you the kanji and b) you don't need retarded mnemonics and even if you do, using premade ones is infinitely worse than using your own

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:44:05 2018 No.20514378 >>20512027 ノルウェイの森 https://my.mixtape.moe/azvkhi.epub

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:46:15 2018 No.20514387 >>20514329 It's not; ignore the spergs in these threads.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:49:50 2018 No.20514398 >>20514387 can you not get your dick hard in any other way other than steering people off a cliff in these threads? fuck you

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:52:10 2018 No.20514411

>>20514335
>it doesn't teach you the kanji
this argument sounds dumber each time i hear it. the point of RTK has never been to fully teach the meanings of kanji. any meanings you do glean from it should be thought of as a bonus. the point of RTK is train your memory to see a kanji and concretely know right away "it's that one". instead of each kanji being some blurry image that you can kinda sorta recognize from some words you've seen it in, but often get confused with similar blurry images, each kanji will be a concrete image in your head. that's the point of RTK, and it's great at doing that.

not sure why people get so upset that it's not an all-encompassing tool meant to fully master every aspect of kanji,

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:57:06 2018 No.20514447

>>20514329
doing it or not doing it, is totally up to you
I did it all the way to the 2200 cards, but only matured about 27% in the end and then I quit
I then started reading and mining words after
I forgot about half the kanji I learned bcause I never see them when reading
I mean maybe I should have matured more of them... maybe I should have just started reading and mining earlier. I don't have any regrets though because I seem to relearn them quicker and it's made things easier. Just do you and stay productive though. Nobody knows the best way because they can't try simultaneous ways at once.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 11:58:07 2018 No.20514459

>>20514411
>the point of RTK has never been to fully teach the meanings of kanji.
I'm fully aware, and that's exactly why it's retarded. You can use mnemonics and learn the meanings at the same time if you have an issue with being able to distinguish between them (I think this is way overblown as a problem in any case). Why would you do this stupid shit for months and then have to go back and learn the meaning separately?
>you can kinda sorta recognize from some words you've seen it in,
No, I can't "kinda sorta recognize" them. I can simply recognize them as well as any RTKike can.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:03:43 2018 No.20514489 >>20514314 i always feel sad when a anime i like is on its final episode : (

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:07:48 2018 No.20514508 The {{Sentence-Image}} fix is not working on ankidroid. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:09:12 2018 No.20514524

>>20514459
Not OP but you're implying everyone does RTK and only then starts everything else in Japanese.
I do my vocabulary reps every day and also do RTK, it's not impossible to distinguish between kanji without RTK it's just easier. It also makes it easier to recall meanings of new vocabulary when you're still memorizing them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:15:08 2018 No.20514567 >>20514524 That's what the RTK cultists recommend you do from what I've seen and what most people end up doing. I highly doubt a lot of people do vocab + RTK off the bat since it would seem too overwhelming. But hey, could be wrong of course.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:17:28 2018 No.20514575

>>20514567
For what it's worth, I haven't been doing RTK off the bat. I started doing kanji in separation from vocabulary with WaniKani which wasn't working for me so I switched to RTK. And I started WaniKani about 8 months after I started studying Japanese in general.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:17:37 2018 No.20514576 File: 1.10 MB, 916x655, 2018-12-29 09_16_24-女装千年王国.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20514209 https://vndb.org/v21170 I just started reading it and you can join me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:21:22 2018 No.20514597 >>20514209 Detroit: Become Human

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:36:50 2018 No.20514679 >>20514597 ok if ur gonna do that then ima do this >>20514209 life is strange

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:37:50 2018 No.20514684 >>20514597 >>20514679 kys

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:49:42 2018 No.20514738 u mad BrROo?

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 12:57:13 2018 No.20514783 File: 157 KB, 628x305, 1527639715600.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is half of むかつく written in katakana and half in hiragana? wtf

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:00:54 2018 No.20514799 This thread has the best memes on the net. Must be sad to be someone who doesn't come here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:10:46 2018 No.20514842 File: 325 KB, 1200x960, 1542015619495.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hell yea, I love this place, except I let it distract me some days

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:13:03 2018 No.20514854 File: 477 KB, 1000x1000, 1427825943867.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] The memes are the one thing I miss about DJT Nowhere but here appreciates Steve

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:13:31 2018 No.20514860 Am I crazy or were there ratings like "easy" next to manga titles in cor? I don't see that anymore

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:14:43 2018 No.20514866 >>20514860 Those ratings were on the reading list and they were also complete bullshit. Just open up the manga and see how many pages it takes to get to easy mode dialogue.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:14:46 2018 No.20514869 >>20514842 krashen and kaufmann need switching

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:16:20 2018 No.20514878 >>20514869 more like krashen and zoikko

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:16:32 2018 No.20514879 >>20514779 When I finish reading BLAME! I should be able to read this image with ease.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:16:51 2018 No.20514883 >>20514869 Kaufmann isn't nearly as rigid as krashen?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:18:03 2018 No.20514893 >>20514883 krashen isn't rigid, in fact he's kind of anti-rigid, he shits all over rigid learning methods especially the ones used in schools

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>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:19:06 2018 No.20514899 who is this krashen nigga, he some kind of language jesus?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:19:58 2018 No.20514905 >>20514883 how much more liberal can you get than free voluntary reading

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:26:39 2018 No.20514940

>>20514899
Yes. He basically figured out language learning can't be taught after a certain point. You build the tools to start aquiring it and then it's mostly subconcious 'aquisition' from there, but it must be comprehensible. It's a sort of tight rope. It must be compelling content, comprehensible content, while still being something you don't know yet so you're still actually learning. The fundamentals of second language git gud.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:27:54 2018 No.20514949

>どんな時だって
>どこだって楽しいのよ
>だって

I'm having a hard time understanding what this means and where it came from. Is it this:
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/actionclause#Using_as_a_casual_version_of

Yomichan has so many meanings of it and I hear it in songs all the time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:28:55 2018 No.20514959 >>20514949 or is it this https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/dojg/dojgpages/advanced%E3%81%A0%E3%81%A3%E3%81%A62.html

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:32:50 2018 No.20514984 >>20514949 I always treat it like a だ but with the implication って has. "its said that" type of thing but it's a little broader than that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:44:38 2018 No.20515051 Which Haruki Murakami book should I read that's in the DJT library?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:50:32 2018 No.20515087 >>20514949 だって is often like でも

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:53:16 2018 No.20515095

>>20511082
Furigana is distracting
>>20511090
There's no trick to everything stop worrying about tricks and just read. Your brain will memorize them as you see it and look it up. You will learn all the "tricks" and all their subtleties just by seeing it so many times

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 13:57:53 2018 No.20515129 >>20513591 Why do you need to translate it to English just recognize it's not the passive. Rely more on context and mass input and your brain will teach itself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:17:39 2018 No.20515229 File: 86 KB, 214x317, 1542360747671.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This is pewdiepies favorite author, Yukio Mishiya. Anyone read any of his stuff?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:21:17 2018 No.20515256 >>20515229 It's Mishima not Mishiya. And the guy was a crazy retard who ended up trying to start a revolution though nobody followed him so he killed himself right after his failed balcony speech.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:21:21 2018 No.20515257 Are there any good and easy mobile games I can play when outside?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:22:12 2018 No.20515267 >>20515229 idk who ne of those ppl are

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:22:22 2018 No.20515273 >>20515257 Puzzles & Dragons

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:23:01 2018 No.20515276 >>20515256 oh ye i fucked it up. Yeah I just read a bit of his wiki article. Are any of his books good though? Don't care what he did irl

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:24:14 2018 No.20515283 >>20515276 He's a nut anon, all his books are lowkey macho-manliness brainwashing. Just skip.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:24:29 2018 No.20515284 the only author id recommend to djt is のぶみ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:26:38 2018 No.20515304 >どうして is just どう but する'd and テ形'd

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:27:25 2018 No.20515306 where can I get japanese roms for gamecube

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:27:32 2018 No.20515307 File: 172 KB, 619x876, ダメ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20515304

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:29:35 2018 No.20515320 >>20515306 http://lmgtfy.com/?s=k&q=where+can+I+get+japanese+roms+for+gamecube

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:31:29 2018 No.20515330 如何如何して

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:33:02 2018 No.20515344 i just どうしてd my pantsu

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:34:03 2018 No.20515352 w

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:36:07 2018 No.20515364 >>20515344 i'll admit i laughed

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:48:33 2018 No.20515445 File: 2 KB, 283x33, キャプチャ.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] why is the furigana like this? wouldn't it be に、みっか？

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 14:57:02 2018 No.20515506 >>20515320 yeah its obviously not that simple

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:00:26 2018 No.20515534 File: 3.57 MB, 3024x4032, IMG_20181229_205802.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What are they referencing?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:02:32 2018 No.20515554 File: 49 KB, 430x689, 1546113714.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20515506 Took me a minute lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:08:40 2018 No.20515603 >>20515554 A whole minute and you still can't realize that what you got is incomplete

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:10:59 2018 No.20515618 imagine being that mad u dont have the gc rom master collection link on mega

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:11:29 2018 No.20515622
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>>20511082
There's lots of resources for reading and listening etc, but how do you guys practice your writing?
I know some people have a separate JP twitter (and the inverse, jp people with English twitters to practice).

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:12:07 2018 No.20515625 >>20515622 i write on pig slut thighs tits and asses

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:14:21 2018 No.20515635 >>20515306 https://archive.org/details/NCubeJ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:18:28 2018 No.20515648 File: 102 KB, 724x1000, 35699668_p0.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] New Matt video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQyscxuHUhs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:19:11 2018 No.20515652 thumbnail literally looks like hes about to cry

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:22:28 2018 No.20515674 lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQyscxuHUhs#t=318 replace the word meditation with japanese lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:31:33 2018 No.20515754 blocks your path 上

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:33:12 2018 No.20515767 File: 44 KB, 229x415, 1544695945258.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Where the fuck do I find Japanese subtitles for movies?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:34:33 2018 No.20515781 File: 751 KB, 564x605, 1484634936.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20515674 >>20515652 >>20515648 For someone who lives and breathes AJATT, he sure procrastinates a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:34:44 2018 No.20515784 >>20515767 Why would you need subtitles? Don't you have ears?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:35:34 2018 No.20515789 File: 60 KB, 1024x576, 26ab0e08.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:38:07 2018 No.20515809 File: 811 KB, 785x765, 3458hu5hy458g45g.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] where teh fUck

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:40:15 2018 No.20515829 >>20515784 I wanna practice kanji at the same time

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:42:51 2018 No.20515850 i really dont understand why matt insists pitch accent needs to be learned like that. i honestly respect everything else he says tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:43:48 2018 No.20515859 >>20511082 is this insufferable meme posted ironically or is "lmao kanji is hard" the actual level this general is at

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:43:55 2018 No.20515860

>>20515648
so he claims he's been fully immersing in japanese for 7 years to the extent that he's had no time to study anything else or maintain friendships, but he's only read 50 japanese novels? which works out to like 7 a year. something doesn't add up

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:45:26 2018 No.20515873 >>20515859 try reading manga with furigana, I bet your eyes will gravitate towards it all the time even if it's the simplest shit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:45:47 2018 No.20515876 >>20515860 >he's only read 50 japanese novels he said he only actually finished like 10 or something too

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:45:51 2018 No.20515877 why analyze him nemore at this point hes a bullshitter and his nihongos only maa maa

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:46:49 2018 No.20515885 >>20515873 yea thats why I hate furigana myself

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:47:16 2018 No.20515889

>>20515850
If your native language isn't a pitch accent language you'll have to consciously pay attention to it to hear it.
I don't really get why he makes such a big deal out of pitch accent though, even if you screw up every single pitch accent when you speak, you'll still be understood.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:48:27 2018 No.20515899 Can you guys recommend any wordy JAVs for listening practice?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:48:48 2018 No.20515902 imagine how much better his muramasa vid would be if he wasnt vacuously reciting japanese he already rehearsed and still couldnt read let alone understand

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:49:08 2018 No.20515905 Finding Dogen's channel has made me stop listening to all the other people memeing about this or that method. if you just get the fuck on with it you learn, simple as that.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:49:29 2018 No.20515908 >>20515860 He doesn't claim to have fully immersed in japanese for 7 years, after he quit japanese and came back to it he hasn't been immersing as hardcore as he used to. Also, there's other ways to immerse than to read novels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:50:55 2018 No.20515923 >>20515905 what do you mean by this? that dogens method was so good that you didnt need anything else or that you noticed "methods" wont ever get you anywhere

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:51:58 2018 No.20515929 >>20515899 DVAJ-0033 if you like that kind of stuff

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:54:16 2018 No.20515945 File: 143 KB, 672x434, 1466518728501.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20515929 Thank anon

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:54:56 2018 No.20515951 >>20515889 >you'll have to consciously pay attention to it to hear it. Ye i get that part, but all of the "permanently fuck up your accent shit" is fucking stupid

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:56:53 2018 No.20515962

>>20515923
I guess i wasn't very clear, sorry.
Simply put, when he describes how he studied, other than his method to learn pitch accent and pronounciation, everything else was really standard vanilla stuff, no reading 500 page dissertations on how to use flash cards, torture experiment like forced full immersion nonsense. The dude went from chapter to chapter in university and learned his shit, put in that wise effort into phonetics, then practiced speaking with natives. I hear so many stories of how there's ten secret steps to abandoning all concepts of self and ascending to the nirvana of fluency when really all it takes is studying like normal.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:57:01 2018 No.20515964

>>20515951
Matt has a very hard redpill to swallow and that pill is that someone foreign will ALWAYS have an accent for decades. There are some studies where's someone accent only starts to blend in somewhat after 10 - 20 years, but it'll never be native-like.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 15:59:44 2018 No.20515988 >>20515964 >There are some studies where's someone accent only starts to blend in somewhat after 10 - 20 years, but it'll never be native-like. It's possible to get a native-like accent if you actually try though, but it requires a lot of work.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:01:12 2018 No.20516006 >>20515964 Imagine moving to france.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:03:57 2018 No.20516032

>>20515964
You can learn a native accent if you take precise practice instead of waiting for you to passively suck it up over time.
It's true that it's easier the younger you are, as it's easier for younger brains to imitate other sounds, but it's not like your actual mouth changers over time. if you properly practice the exact movements required to make something sound native, it will sound native.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:06:20 2018 No.20516045 >>20515988 Exactly, there's plenty of people that sound native after like 8 years. Where natives can't tell them apart, like Dogen. Imagine those people after 15 years. They'll have cleaned up anything remotely not native by then.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:09:24 2018 No.20516070 >>20515554 90% of these are in english. if you can find zelda collectors edition in jpn ill admit your right.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:12:08 2018 No.20516099
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Fuck lads, I've been doing RTK for 24 days now and i'm at 600 Kanji, but today i hit an all time low of 88.9% retention on previously learned cards. I'm starting to fear that the stories are actually not vivid enough and i'll forget all the Kanji before long. Maybe i should have actually invented complex narratives for each kanji instead of
>雷 = if it's raining and you're out on the field you might get hit by thunder

I'm spending 2-3 hours on this shit each day so if it turns out to be for naught i'm gonna cry

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:15:25 2018 No.20516118 >>20516099 What the hell is this meme method I've learned 1200 kanji so far without requiring cute narratives. just write that shit down till you know it man, don't do this shit to yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:16:21 2018 No.20516127 >>20516099 it's natural, this is what a lot of ajatt cultists experience and the solution is to read more

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:16:40 2018 No.20516130 >>20516099 Get ready to forget everything you learn over and over, no getting around it, get lots of sleep, maybe take fish oil and do a bit of jogging to help it, and besidess that just keep chugging on and forgetting half of everything.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:18:12 2018 No.20516141
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>>20516099
This is why everyone says RTK is a meme.
Just fucking use anki and read bitch.
If you're not using SRS and you're not reading you're just surface learning. You only learn through repetition and immersion.
RTK is good for small amounts of kanji that you just cant get to stick, it's not a sound way to learn all of them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:19:13 2018 No.20516146 >>20515964 only anglosphere faggots have problem with accents imagine only knowing one language

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:20:23 2018 No.20516158 >>20516146 yeah that's why ESLs have such great accents

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:20:25 2018 No.20516159 >>20516099 Maybe try doing less new cards a day? I haven't done RTK, but my retention rate on sentence cards increased when I lowered the amount of new cards a day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:21:16 2018 No.20516165 >>20516146 This isn't true anon. I speak english and italian and even though italian is a lot more compatible with japanese, there's still a bunch of issues i run into. The Koreans have problems with japanese pronounciation at times even.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:21:33 2018 No.20516168
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>>20516099
First of all, relax. You're going to be fine, you're over-exaggerating your own personal failures. The reality of learning a language is that you WILL forget words, just like we forget them all the time in English. However, through repetition, focused learning, exposure, and just general usage, you will learn to master them. Today, as I was going through my own personal mining deck, I somehow forgot 低い - in a conversation or written out in kana, I instinctively know what the meaning was, but the kanji character keeps eluding me. I wrote it out, made some sentences with it, and now I'm 99% sure I won't forget it in the near future.

That being said, RTK isn't that great as it teaches you narratives in English rather than explicit readings. It's good as a primer, but you'll need to transition to more normative readings. Getting started with an Anki deck might be a more productive usage of your time to drill the definitions into you since you also get exposed to sentences utilizing them.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:21:36 2018 No.20516169

>>20516141
I literally talk about cards and retention of said cards in my post so what the fuck makes you think that i'm not using SRS (Anki) for RTK reps? Besides, i use RTK as complimentary study, i do vocab, sentences and grammar at the same time. Idk why people on /djt/ always assume that when someone talks about a specific studying method that this is literally the only study method they're using or something.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:23:30 2018 No.20516180

>>20516141
>RTK is good for small amounts of kanji that you just cant get to stick, it's not a sound way to learn all of them.
It's by far the best method for learning to write kanji from memory, but I don't know why anyone would want to do that as a beginner. It's much better to just learn japanese first, then do RTK with JAPANESE keywords when you want to learn how to write.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:23:35 2018 No.20516181 >>20516165 is it a problem that you actually have to actively work on, or something that you just need to get used to? big difference

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:23:43 2018 No.20516182

>>20516159
I was thinking about lowering the amount of new cards per day (currently at 25) but at the same time i feel like i should just push through so i can be done with this shit within the next ~60 days and move on to just reviewing while spending more time on immersion.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:23:56 2018 No.20516185 >>20516168 u dont forget words in a language u know ur post is a lidded crock of shit

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:23:56 2018 No.20516186 >>20516169 So you're not reading?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:23:58 2018 No.20516187 File: 271 KB, 457x401, 1487571629995.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20516146 Are you the same retard who said that English wasn't a mess of a language yesterday?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:24:29 2018 No.20516191

RTK is a meme
learn to divide a kanji in radical and phonetic component, learn the actual origins for pictographic elements, no meme stories.
Kanji used to be such a struggle for me until I did this, now it's the easiest part of learning japanese and mandarin for me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:25:25 2018 No.20516198 >>20516186 sentence mining and making sentence cards kinda is reading tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:25:38 2018 No.20516199 File: 210 KB, 381x379, 1506532671472.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20516185

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:25:46 2018 No.20516200 >>20516181 Anon I must admit I have no clue of what you're asking me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:25:49 2018 No.20516201 >>20516187 no i was the guy that he was responding to

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:26:01 2018 No.20516202

>>20516185
when you starting off you forget words all the time.. are you suggesting you have the super human ability to instantly know any word in your own language after hearing it once but can't do that in other languages (Im not the guy you replied to btw)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:26:30 2018 No.20516204 >>20516191 if you think you can divide up all kanji into radical and phonetic components easily and that there are pictographic elements in each kanji then you're probably at elementary school level in terms of kanji repertoire

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:27:39 2018 No.20516208 >>20511082 >watashi fag

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:28:07 2018 No.20516212 File: 75 KB, 640x593, 11002026256.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] sleep well and jog, that's all I got for you

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:28:20 2018 No.20516214 >>20516168 I'm at 2016 cards in the core deck. I learn readings from vocab just like i should. I do RTK in addition to that.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:29:32 2018 No.20516221

>>20516204
>if you think you can divide up all kanji into radical and phonetic components easily
You can though. really easily.

>and that there are pictographic elements in each kanji
>each
I never said this

>then you're probably at elementary school level in terms of kanji repertoire
i'm at like 1200+ though

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:30:51 2018 No.20516229 >>20516202 stopped reading ur post to reply at "when starting off" reread my post and see why ur post is not worth reading for me

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:32:16 2018 No.20516237 File: 39 KB, 431x450, 1540177846639.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20516204

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:34:51 2018 No.20516260 today i learnt alot of different words for "you" and how much of a retard you are if you unironically use them in a sentence

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:35:37 2018 No.20516261 獣になれない私たち was the best J-drama I've seen in years. Highly recommend it

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:37:04 2018 No.20516267

>>20516099
>>雷 = if it's raining and you're out on the field you might get hit by thunder
You don't want complex narratives. You want absurd, lewd and exaggerated images, that come to mind instantly and are impossible to forget.

so, for 雷—imagine a man naked in a field with a giant erection half his body length. It's tipping it down with rain, there's a massive thunderclap, a bolt of lightning—his erect penis has acted as a lightning rod and he is instantly fried.

see the difference between that and trying to remember 'if it's raining and you're out on the field you might get hit by thunder'.

look up the art of memory forums, or read something by dominic o'brien.

there are people who can memorise a deck of cards in under 20 seconds. they create highly memorable images in a fraction of a second and have 100% recall afterwards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:37:53 2018 No.20516268 >>20516261 I'll check it out thanks. I love me some quality j drama

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:39:01 2018 No.20516277 >>20516260 てめえ

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:41:20 2018 No.20516293 >>20516260 B-but watching a ton of anime has taught me that saying omae is cool

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:42:55 2018 No.20516300

>>20516267
yeah, absurd and imaginative is exactly what i need
for some reason it's difficult for me to come up with really insane shit when working within the confines of the primitives and other components.

when making up stories, do you write them down or do you just think of them and then enter them into a card afterwards? so far i've written all stories down when handwriting the kanji for the first time because i'm assuming that writing it out will help me to remember it better. Not sure if that actually helps tho or if i'm just wasting time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:43:45 2018 No.20516306 File: 31 KB, 351x371, 1542486677219.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >it's an author uses a weird fucking font that has an negligible difference between つ and っ episode

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:44:56 2018 No.20516313 whats the deal with passive after negative from like 気が付かされた. Ive seen it in lots of novels.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:46:31 2018 No.20516324 俺が追いついてくると、三日月はくるりと振り向いて、 do I treat that 'くるりと' as suddenly? If not it's basically saying turned around twice.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:46:59 2018 No.20516326

>>20516277
>>20516293
i think its pretty cool to have so many variations of the same word that can completely change the tone of the sentence, even if they aren't used in real life, and its one of those things you cannot easily translate over to english without adding extra notes of explaining.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:49:54 2018 No.20516345

>>20516300
don't write it down. funnily enough, that's probably decreasing your retention, since after writing things down we tend to consider that action 'completed' and have a harder time remembering it in the future.

make the story or image memorable the first time. if you can't remember it a day later then you did it wrong and need to revise the image or story.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:50:14 2018 No.20516348 貴様 as "bastard" or "you bastard" is great localization actually

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 16:50:49 2018 No.20516354 Anyone know how I post on 5ch now? I used to use VPN gate for a Japanese IP, but that doesn't seem to work anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:00:32 2018 No.20516432 >>20514249 https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/318710.php

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:01:17 2018 No.20516438 >>20516277 >used by young males nuh uh launch from dragon ball uses it in her tomboy mode

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:02:53 2018 No.20516458 File: 72 KB, 160x160, 1540160939906.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] It doesn't matter if it takes you 1 year or 5 years, make sure to keep a consistent schedule and read! You CAN learn Japanese!

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:04:12 2018 No.20516472 >>20515648 Even though he talks about not talking about politics. We all know he is libertarian, he reeks of it. All brainlet early 20 incels are. He also unironically mentioned Jordan Peterson, who is the god of retards now a days.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:04:50 2018 No.20516479 >>20516458 what if i've been studying for 7 years and am only good in reading and listening but not speaking. How do explain this to the people who want me to "quick, say something in japanese!"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:06:12 2018 No.20516484 >>20516438 launch was a trap and had a massive black dick, why do you think roshi stopped trying to rape her all of the sudden

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:06:25 2018 No.20516490 >>20516208 It's actually あたい

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:07:36 2018 No.20516498 File: 63 KB, 576x109, rets suffix.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ああああああ！

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:09:33 2018 No.20516514 >>20516498 ?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:10:20 2018 No.20516520 >>20516479 if you can read and listen well then you can easily spit out simple sentences.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:10:41 2018 No.20516522 File: 72 KB, 741x674, socialism.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20516472 you seem upset

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:11:33 2018 No.20516533 >>20516498 Newb here lemme translate this and please tell me if I'm wrong or right. This is not ironic. >You weren't searching (in a prodding way)?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:12:12 2018 No.20516539 >>20516520 I prefer to stay silent and look like a liar than actually make a mistake and get applauded anyhow

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:12:14 2018 No.20516540 >>20516522 I'm not. I just think it is a testament to how un-self aware mattokun is.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:12:23 2018 No.20516542 >>20516479 this is why you had to read out loud in school, to practice your pronouncation and speech, you have to do the same with japanese aswell better shut the door so mommy cant hear your sperg words and get at it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:12:54 2018 No.20516547 >>20515648 Based as always. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. >>20516472 I agree that Peterson is way too milquetoast and doesn't talk about RR enough but this isn't the thread for this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:14:01 2018 No.20516562 >>20516533 I read it more like you were searching weren't you? Then again I'm a newbie too so I'm not sure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:14:22 2018 No.20516566 >>20516542 >better shut the door so mommy cant hear your sperg words and get at it a family member actually walked in on me practicing pronounciation yesterday and i felt like dying

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:14:57 2018 No.20516570 >>20516562 Immediately after I posted that I also thought that was a possibility.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:15:01 2018 No.20516571 >>20516542 Mommy is in a room right next to mine and the walls aren't exactly all that sound proofing. What do?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:16:08 2018 No.20516580 >>20516490 it's actually sī

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:16:12 2018 No.20516581 2 years in and still haven't told anyone in real life I'm learning Japanese

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:16:54 2018 No.20516587

>>20516566
my family would probably be happy for me because ive been a NEET for 7 years and they want me to show passion for something. but i'll never let them know im looking at japanese (im not learning it just looking at and occasionally absorbing aspects of it)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:16:58 2018 No.20516589 >>20516571 I tend to go on walks in the park in areas without any people and practice there. it's somewhat liberating

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:17:22 2018 No.20516592 >>20515648 Does anyone have a copy of the NHK accent dictionary he talks about?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:18:01 2018 No.20516601 >>20516581 maybe if they cared enough they'd know.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:18:08 2018 No.20516602 >>20516592 *pitch

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:18:49 2018 No.20516613 >>20516589 I don't want to leave the house though

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:20:59 2018 No.20516629

>>20516592
http://www.mediafire.com/file/sxmpse8n92c9oxg/NHKACT.zip

http://www.mediafire.com/file/tsrs58rg61y8x3d/NHK%E6%97%A5%E6%9C%AC%E8%AA%9E%E7%99%BA%E9%9F%B3%E3%82%A2%E3%82%AF%E3%82%BB%E3%83%B3%E3%83%88%E6%96%B0%E8%BE%9E%E5%85%B8%E3%83%BB%E4%BB%98%E9%8C%B2.pdf

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:21:29 2018 No.20516635 >>20516613 Well then forgetting learning japanese, get into the habit of going for long walks when you can. It clears your mind and at least for me helps motivation immensely

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:22:22 2018 No.20516643 >>20516629 thanks, senpai

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:22:31 2018 No.20516645 >>20516629 Anon i owe you my firstborn

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:25:15 2018 No.20516667

>>20516601
yeah probably, I didn't bring it up at first because I heard that telling people about your goals before you achieve them makes you less likely to stick with it, but now I'd probably mention it if anyone ever asked what I do with my time. I'm glad they don't though, I'm a very private person

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:26:39 2018 No.20516675

>>20516472
Huh that makes me like Matt more desu. Btw Jordan Peterson has been steadily improving, now his ramblings aren’t filled with platitudes tinged with mysticism. He mainly just makes arguments against post-structuralism, feminism etc... and, occasionally gets off topic to humble brag or bring up about something he’s already talked to death about.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:27:01 2018 No.20516681

>>20516667
>I heard that telling people about your goals before you achieve them makes you less likely to stick with it
I heard this too in a ted talk so i stopped telling people about my goals but now the only difference is that i'm a quiet failure instead of a regular failure

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:27:15 2018 No.20516685 Waifu should be written 猥婦

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:27:30 2018 No.20516687 File: 415 KB, 441x898, 1457207261864.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20516547 >Based as always. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Glad someone appreciates it.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:30:07 2018 No.20516708 lmao

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:30:37 2018 No.20516710 >>20516479 Say some stupid phrase from an anime, they won't get it anyway so who cares. お前はもう死んでいる for example.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:31:59 2018 No.20516722 >>20516710 They'd actually get that one because it's a meme i'm also really insecure about my accent even though it's not very bad

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:32:29 2018 No.20516725 >>20516710 >>20516542 have a (You), my cringeposter.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:33:41 2018 No.20516733

It's so difficult to find compelling content, lads.
NHK News isn't compelling at all. I'd read Yotsuba but the scans quality is very bad and it hurts my eyes (I know that sounds whiny) I tried watching Shirokuma Cafe but it was fucking boring.

I tried watching Non-Non Biyori since that's a pretty good show they sometimes do weird anime-speak where they put Non at the end of words.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:34:00 2018 No.20516737

>>20516592
the easiest thing to do is acquire the daijiren dictionary in epwing and add it to yomichan. dont get to caught up in it unless you're already reading with looking up few words. just be aware of the three main patterns. you can acquire a lot of just by listening.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:35:06 2018 No.20516746 >>20516733 Read some actually good shit read 走れメロス that shit will change your life. It's real simple but the message hit me so hard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:35:34 2018 No.20516750 File: 134 KB, 1242x1179, bmmoz24tnsw11.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20516687 thanks kuroneko, I am glad someone else appreciates the masterpiece of oreimo.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:35:51 2018 No.20516754 >>20516733 >they sometimes do weird anime-speak where they put Non at the end of words. That's dialect, not necessarily weird anime speak.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:36:14 2018 No.20516759 >>20516737 >three main patterns Anon why do you lie to him. If he doesn't listen carefully he'll mix up heiban and odaka like no one's business

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:36:28 2018 No.20516760 >>20516733 just watch whatever you want to watch, don't worry about whether it's easy

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:37:10 2018 No.20516763 >>20516754 no dialect just puts のん at the end of words Osaka-ben puts ねん at the end of stuff sometimes

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:37:16 2018 No.20516765 >>20516754 It's definitely anime speak. what dialect would that be, which area. Come on.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:38:39 2018 No.20516785 >>20516733 If you can't find compelling content in Japanese, then why are you learning Japanese in the first place? Also, this >>20516760

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:42:41 2018 No.20516819 >>20516785 the problem is finding compelling content that is around my level. my listening is a lot worse than reading

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:44:28 2018 No.20516836 File: 14 KB, 249x115, character trait.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20516733 >they sometimes do weird anime-speak where they put Non at the end of words.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:47:27 2018 No.20516859

>>20516819
ok i got you senpai watch these shows and you will be learning all the nipspeak.

flip flappers
k-on
yuruyuri
oreimo
boku ha tomodachi ga sukunai
toradora
koe no katachi

all these are easy and at least 7/10 (which is really good not average like subhumans think)

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:49:13 2018 No.20516875

>>20516479
Honestly, spending a month talking with people will fix 90% of the issue. If you can follow conversations and read fluently, then actually speaking it is really easy once you get over the initial hurdle of actually having to use your mouth.

>t. learned for 5 years, found a guy on the internet, quickly managed to hold simple conversations the first few days and then working my way up

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:53:42 2018 No.20516915 is the reason flashtarding isn't learning a language is because you're not learning collocations?

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:55:22 2018 No.20516924

>>20516875
I've been trying to break out of my shyness and i do see improvements like you say, and to hear this is definitely encouraging.
I worked my way up to N2 level by mostly working hard on what i could self study and i neglected writing and speaking, i realised my shortcomings this year and have been working on pronounciation and readily making sentences for actual conversation since this summer.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:55:30 2018 No.20516925

>>20516733
You're not alone. Ignore the people telling you you're wrong for not being able to tolerate babby tier nonsense.

Just grind a bunch of vocab until you get to a point where you can hear or recognize lots of words in content that you won't be as bored by. Then you can start learning the language from a base where you won't want to kill yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:55:42 2018 No.20516927 >>20516819 >my listening is a lot worse than reading Only way to fix that is to do way more listening than reading.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:56:59 2018 No.20516935 >誠心誠意 >臨機応変に >切磋琢磨 Do you know any of those words?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:57:32 2018 No.20516938 File: 58 KB, 1017x1044, template.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did iframes stop working for anybody else in Anki 2.1?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:57:47 2018 No.20516940 >>20516925 >Just grind a bunch of vocab Don't do this before you start listening, if you do you will have "learned" a bunch of words you can't even recognize in normal speech.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:58:54 2018 No.20516948 >>20516733 if you have a laser printer, and mommy has allowed it, you could print it all out i did that with some 300 page learning book, and mommy said it was ok

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 17:59:43 2018 No.20516954 >>20516940 Depends on if he can tolerate incomprehensible audio or not. If he can't, then it's not a big deal. He won't recognize the words in audio initially but they'll come to him.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:03:03 2018 No.20516975 >>20516667 Pretty good, keep it up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:04:26 2018 No.20516987 >>20516542 you shouldn't practice your speech from readiung but from repeating video from natives.. reading out loud is actually terrible because it takes attention away from reading and is bad for pronouncement

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:04:54 2018 No.20516991 >>20516859 >flip flappers This is objectively shit though

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:06:38 2018 No.20517003 >>20516935 I couldn't read any of them but I know the words

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:07:49 2018 No.20517007 >>20516987 you forgot the part where doing anki is somewhat beneficial for your speech and prounication

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:08:04 2018 No.20517010 >>20516733 LNs and VNs Also importing nipponese printed manga from amazon jp is cheap, easy and quick

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:11:55 2018 No.20517036 >>20516938 woah that's an aesthetic card

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:12:02 2018 No.20517038
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Why does somebody in this thread shit on flip flappers every time I talk about flip flappers but not other shows I mention. Is there just one guy in this thread who just hates flip flappers. It is a really good show.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:18:24 2018 No.20517068 >>20517038 It's a boring shitshow, that's why it gets shit on

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:20:23 2018 No.20517081 >>20517038 mfw imported all of the blurays

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:25:38 2018 No.20517111 >>20516991 Brainlet located

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:29:12 2018 No.20517137 >>20517068 あの　フリップフラッパーズは超面白い。君はつまらない人間 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg5pA847n2E

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:34:09 2018 No.20517164 >>20517111 >>20517137 It's just a lol so random xD anime

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:36:29 2018 No.20517184 >>20515873 >>20516733 Manga isn't reading though.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:38:00 2018 No.20517195

>>20517164
your original complaint was that it was boring, now you are saying it is "lol random". You obviously are just projecting your misunderstanding of the series while trying to make claims of it being "objectively bad". It is ok to not understand something, just need to be honest with yourself kid.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:41:35 2018 No.20517215 >>20517195 It being random doesn't mean it can't also be bad or boring. I'm sure newfags to anime fucking love it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:49:19 2018 No.20517268 >>20515877 Natives mistake Matt for a native on discord. Natives mistake (you) for a puss-filled wound they all try to avoid. See the difference?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:50:06 2018 No.20517271 >>20517268 haha holy shit fucking rekt

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:51:15 2018 No.20517279 >>20517215 don't worry when I was your age I liked bleach and fairy tail, one day you will develop taste.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:51:51 2018 No.20517284 >>20517268 they mistake him for a native about as much as they mistake khatz for a native

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:55:50 2018 No.20517305 >>20517279 one day you'll grow out of thinking moe anime is good, too

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:56:05 2018 No.20517309 >>20517279 You sure like attacking me instead of saying why shit flippers is supposedly good

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:56:25 2018 No.20517312 i just wanna grow up and i don't care how it relates to my anime preferences

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 18:56:30 2018 No.20517314

>>20516099
DON'T DO NARRATIVES! The narratives RTK gives are to help (you) form a visual in your head. What you need to do is actual SEE these primitives do the story. If you hear ELEMENTARY can't see in the ELEMENTARY school there's ALICE with VENOM peeking up under her skirt, you obviously haven't watched enough Anime cause that shit should be visually hard to forget.

However, now you're an RTK moron if you think ELEMENTARY applies to the school and not to elementary or basic concepts. But you'll figure that out when you start learning words using that kanji and you then have a concept and pronunciation through context. RTK is a step, not a goal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:01:49 2018 No.20517344 >>20516099 Please just don't do RTK. Take it from someone who spent ~3 hours a day on it for 3 months, properly visualized the stories, and maintained a high retention rate. It is not worth that much effort.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:05:27 2018 No.20517358 What manga should I buy from amazon

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:11:39 2018 No.20517392
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is there even just a single clip of rachel from rachel and jun speaking japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:13:55 2018 No.20517410 >>20517392 i'd pound this weird looking chick so hard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:21:23 2018 No.20517441 >>20517137 gonna check these out thnx

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:21:36 2018 No.20517443 >>20517358 Doubutsu no kuni

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:22:55 2018 No.20517451 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejRkuX1RGf4 how is his pitch accent here?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:26:44 2018 No.20517468 >>20517451 matt sama said it's actually pretty bad in retrospect

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:27:29 2018 No.20517475 >>20517268 ? of course natives avoid this thread

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:28:31 2018 No.20517480 >>20517392 would fuck only if benis

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:28:33 2018 No.20517482 >>20517451 Kaz (nitpicking jap native) said it's pretty much perfect. It's kind of slangy like somebody from yokohama and would sound off in tokyo, but Kaz said he would think it was a native from a weird region of japan or something basically.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:30:40 2018 No.20517495 >>20517451 he sounds like a black dude naturally speaking japanese hes not pretending to speak japanese or trying to sound japanese he just sounds like himself while fully in control of speaking japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:32:08 2018 No.20517504 https://streamable.com/l6h0h

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:34:47 2018 No.20517528 I get the Manga isn't reading meme, but how many manga would it take to have the same word count as one light novel?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:36:04 2018 No.20517540 if ur thinkin about that ur not gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:37:33 2018 No.20517554 >>20517528 it's just dialogue though, there's like no real artistry or craftsmanship to dialogue. You really do need heavy discriptions and the thing only novela can give you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:48:45 2018 No.20517618 >>20517007 Ye practicing pronouncing cards is good, just don't read books outloud. It will take you longer to understand what you read and that's bad.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:55:04 2018 No.20517650 >>20517344 it's kinda worth it desu

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 19:59:00 2018 No.20517668 Does anyone use Textractor? I keep getting an error about how it can't initialize Qt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:23:38 2018 No.20517792 File: 673 KB, 1152x864, genki.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20513144 yo genkis out

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:27:03 2018 No.20517804 File: 65 KB, 691x486, 1545458185323.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20517792 >no DoJG >no Learning Japanese the Manga Way

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:27:40 2018 No.20517807 yosh

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:28:37 2018 No.20517814 please recommend me beginner's textbooks starting from zero

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:29:31 2018 No.20517815 nah

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:30:35 2018 No.20517821 File: 1.90 MB, 3264x2448, genki.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20517804 this is the best i can do cheer up

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:31:44 2018 No.20517825 im harry potter and all the jumps

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:32:14 2018 No.20517829 >>20517825 >harry potter and all the jumps whens that one comin out

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:33:13 2018 No.20517837 it just did its the pic

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:39:11 2018 No.20517868 wonder if that guy has read anything on that shelf that isnt a graded reader or written in english

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:39:56 2018 No.20517870 haha no elitism pls

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:40:25 2018 No.20517873 >>20517792 There are three genkis? I thought it was only 2

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:40:51 2018 No.20517875 not sayin he cant make it just that that shelf has a lot of debuffs

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:41:28 2018 No.20517877 >>20517873 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUyaO2_0UiY#t=70

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:41:55 2018 No.20517881

>>20517650
the fact so many people do fine learning words by reading and using anki indicates it's probably not worth it. it's not that there's no benefit to RTK. it's that the benefit comes at a massive cost for beginners that could be spent actually learning the language.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:45:09 2018 No.20517894 >>20517873 think thats only one genki each one is split into three books actual book workbook and answer book if you dont buy the workbook and the answer book youre arent spendin enough dolla on nihongo to have a chance to make it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:46:41 2018 No.20517900 File: 736 KB, 800x1223, 100000 MAD.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Lower case posters who contribute nothing to the thread should be rounded up and shot.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:48:05 2018 No.20517910 what do u contribute besides whining posts

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:48:18 2018 No.20517913 name a lowercaser who contributes anything

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:48:39 2018 No.20517916 how you gonna act like i aint contributin wheres your genki you fuckin scrub post it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:49:07 2018 No.20517919 me my lil homies jesus

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:50:13 2018 No.20517924 If Jesus was a lowercaser I am bringing back the caps.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:53:50 2018 No.20517943 >>20517924 Who /サンヘドリン/ here

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:56:03 2018 No.20517957 I'm an absolute brainlet who can't get a texthooker to work in wine. I can't learn japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:57:39 2018 No.20517970 does anyone have any pdfs of the newer editions of minna no nihongo?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 20:57:46 2018 No.20517971 being unable to continue without a texthooker is your problem i aint gonna argue theyre bad but if you are so reliant on them that they affect what youll even try to read you aint gonna make it

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:00:49 2018 No.20517989

>>20517971
Dude seriously screw you, I'm trying to learn but it takes way too long to look things up by hand. I learned that the hard way when I bought physical light novels. I look up several words per sentence still, so I really need a way to do it quickly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:00:57 2018 No.20517990 what does khatzumoto say about anki, reading, and pitch accent? I never hear anybody talk about him here but if he's so good I'd like to know how the hell he did it.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:03:56 2018 No.20518008

>>20517989
get faster at looking things up by hand
itll get much easier as your vocabulary grows because youll at least know some word with the same kanji
but that doesnt give you a free pass to wait until then how you think people learned japanese when all they had was paper
they did it cause they fuckin wanted to read that fuckin paper and thats what you need
a real fuckin desire
if you find somethin easier to look up that youre really interested in then go for it but either way you need to get you some fuckin compellin content so do it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:05:05 2018 No.20518012 >>20517990 i havent studied up on khatz but remember that what ecelebs say to do rarely lines up with what ecelebs did

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:05:54 2018 No.20518016 >>20517814 whatever has the most japanese in it, just go pick up anthing that interest you, then only read the japanese parts and slight skim of the english if you must, but you can do pretty well for yourself with online only content these days

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:07:24 2018 No.20518026 >>20517990 he didn't have great pitch accent. the nip was just being nice.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:08:28 2018 No.20518031 >>20518008 but all the compelling content is too hard right now, I don't want to ruin the experience

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:16:28 2018 No.20518069 File: 2.35 MB, 1012x1324, 1514544442039.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Stop worshiping e-celebs and turn your mind into a temple instead.

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:16:50 2018 No.20518071

>>20518031
first of all ruining shit is an excuse
you can always reread it when youll understand more and appreciate what you missed the first time
there are very few twists so unique that the first experience is really so special
but second you seem to confuse compelling content with popular shit
anything can be compelling and the shit you say you cant read might not be compelling to you yet
its compelling if you want to continue purely to know what happens next even if youre missing lots of shit
if you are not compelled by the content find new content theres tons of shit of all difficulty levels

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:17:51 2018 No.20518075 >>20518069 that little dude had life all figured out in the end

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:22:26 2018 No.20518093 今日の仕事は明日の問題！

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:22:31 2018 No.20518094 >>20518071 This is so stressful. I just want to be able to read jintai and play kiseki.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:25:18 2018 No.20518109 if u wanna do those things all u have to do is watch 10000 hours of eng subbed anime and u can with a little difficulty

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:26:02 2018 No.20518115 File: 77 KB, 768x1024, 1304718223524.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20518093

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:31:08 2018 No.20518136 if you throw around きさま a lot in japan as a foreigner will they just awkwardly stare at you but not correct you?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:31:49 2018 No.20518144 what do you mean by correct

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:33:12 2018 No.20518156 File: 33 KB, 580x435, ded 6.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20518115 Same.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:33:36 2018 No.20518160 theyre gonna think youre puttin on a show like the clown that u r

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:34:49 2018 No.20518165 >>20513960 This is fine >>20513979 >>20514007 kao is beautiful, utsu is cool these ones tho, don't even look like kanji 凹凸 or this one, looks like a western kid's idea of what japanese writing looks like 似

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:39:29 2018 No.20518183 wheres that dude that got mad that 凸 aint convex

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:42:05 2018 No.20518192 it is convex just sand the edges : )

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:43:08 2018 No.20518195 youd have to do a lot of sandin with that approach just put some putty in those dimples

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:44:22 2018 No.20518201 so fuckin do it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:46:09 2018 No.20518208 how do i get the authority to tell nihonjin how to fix their dumb alphabet

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:47:51 2018 No.20518216 idk write a 手紙 (no not that 手紙) to 天皇さん

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:50:16 2018 No.20518226 >>20518183 It is part of 凸面 though. Mandarin doesn't need that second character though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:51:37 2018 No.20518230 that aint what were talkin about its in a bunch of words havin to do with convexity and it aint convex

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:53:04 2018 No.20518233 ur heads convex

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:53:37 2018 No.20518238 File: 44 KB, 960x598, 1488826288333.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Lowercasers

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:53:49 2018 No.20518239 sure fuckin hope it is

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:54:27 2018 No.20518242 i mean like an egg it is convex

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:55:14 2018 No.20518247 are you sure im the one that dont know what youre sayin

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:55:41 2018 No.20518250 File: 48 KB, 916x614, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20518238 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LcfdCeaKFMg#t=61

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:55:43 2018 No.20518251 >>20518109 Seriously, how do I learn?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:55:59 2018 No.20518252 If you're not learning words with their pitch accent you're not learning Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:57:08 2018 No.20518259 poster above me is a stupid mother fucker and doesnt know japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:58:24 2018 No.20518266 >learning >words how many fuckin times i gotta say get that cc you think japanese is a bunch a fuckin words you think wrong

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 21:59:55 2018 No.20518273 >>20518251 ur really not gonna like the answer but lots of time and lots of comprehensible input

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:04:41 2018 No.20518303 File: 989 KB, 500x282, 1503381777410.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20518252 >this meme again Stop procrastinating, Matt.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:09:51 2018 No.20518333 you know whats fuckin wack if you hear a word said right enough times youll know what is right and what isnt youll even get better at guessin how to say words you havent heard

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:11:44 2018 No.20518340 File: 366 KB, 3169x2737, Japanese_pitch_accent_map_-en[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Pitch accent matter-

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:14:33 2018 No.20518359 >>20518340 which one makes me sound the coolest

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:17:10 2018 No.20518369 >>20518273 right, but how do I get comprehensible input?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:18:05 2018 No.20518377 >>20518340 Awashima type as it's "exotic".

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:18:45 2018 No.20518380 try readin somethin is it compellin if yes keep readin if no go back to step iti

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:21:17 2018 No.20518395 File: 527 KB, 1001x958, 1533358496288.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >step iti

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:23:45 2018 No.20518404 >>20518369 do the thing i originally said

Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:27:49 2018 No.20518424

>>20518369
learn a few words and then start engaging with content of any nature that hopefully contains those words
actively pay attention to what's being said
complement this process with grammar study on the side (or don't, it's less important than acquiring words and sentences)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:28:03 2018 No.20518426 >>20515283 >lowkey macho-manliness brainwashing So, good?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 22:46:50 2018 No.20518500 >>20515283 so ernest hemingway in nihongo, I'll check it out

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:07:04 2018 No.20518590 https://www.patreon.com/LetsLearnJapanese OK, this is pissing me off. How the hell is Nukemarine getting over $500 a month on patreon teaching Japanese when he fumbles over simple sentences. What the fuck is going on?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:09:09 2018 No.20518604 >>20518590 welcome to reality, where merit doesn't matter, and perception is everything. now you understand why amateurs like darkcookie can make a killing while actual artists struggle to stay competitive

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:11:57 2018 No.20518620 let him have his 500 bucks pretend its autism bucks

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:14:04 2018 No.20518629 >>20518590 I mean the kardashians are worth billions and the people that run the large hydron collider are middle class income. If you can make money then make it but it's not a measurement of anything that matters.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:21:41 2018 No.20518661 >>20518590 It's amazing how stupid Nukemarine looks like CureDolly exists as a comparison point. A virtual youtuber with a disjointed voice and minimal rigging is better than some self-taught Twitter vet. Go figure.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:26:01 2018 No.20518687 Okay this may sound stupid but is there a short cut on Anki for "I already knew this one, please don't count it as a new word"

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:26:58 2018 No.20518691 >>20518687 delete it

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:35:35 2018 No.20518730 >>20518687 Shift + 2

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:40:57 2018 No.20518759 File: 15 KB, 480x360, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] m-

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 29 23:57:03 2018 No.20518827 >>20515534 やま・・・

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:03:09 2018 No.20518848

>>20518340
That's like saying your English accent doesn't matter because there's various dialects in NA and the UK.

You'll still sound foreign and weird if your accent isn't consistent with one of them/is a mishmash. Though that's not to say you need to care about accent.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:03:26 2018 No.20518852 >>20518661 The fact that CureDolly's videos and her books aren't on either of the links in the OP but Remembering the Kanji is, in and of itself, a sad state of affairs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:03:51 2018 No.20518854 guys... teh dolly makes so much sense.... I'm starting to believe I can learn Japanese again

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:04:11 2018 No.20518858 >>20518590 how else is he gonna make up for all the time he spends on drumpf posting on reddit

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:07:04 2018 No.20518878

>>20518848
the point is that pitch accents are very low on the scale of things you should care about, as it's one of those things that you will gradually accustom yourself to in your surroundings

you will sound foreign no matter what you do, it's one of those things you have to get rid of through osmosis

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:08:56 2018 No.20518889 if you dont memorize tokyo pitch accent from day one you will permanently cripple your accent take dogens advice he stopped learning japanese to focus on shadowing pitch accent instead and hes fluent so everything he says is practically native vetted

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:28:27 2018 No.20518960 >>20518687 Del 4 Change Schedule

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 00:56:45 2018 No.20519061 おニャすみニャさい

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:05:33 2018 No.20519090 オニャニーしたか

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:12:54 2018 No.20519115 File: 100 KB, 1096x913, 1540703681488.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >reading about の particle

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:15:34 2018 No.20519129 >reading about japanese instead of reading japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:17:37 2018 No.20519143 >when you worried about stuff like "various uses of の" but then after a month or two you don't give two fucks about that kinda shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:17:55 2018 No.20519144 you fuckers told me to do both so i'm doing both

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:18:59 2018 No.20519152 what was one, ONE fucking book you read this year. visual games count.

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:24:44 2018 No.20519183
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So I got this deck to mess around with, what gives with the high suspensions, I didn't get a single "card was a leech" notice and I've set suspends to "tag only" and when I go into card browse I cant see a single card as actually suspended

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:27:21 2018 No.20519192

nigger i can't read shit yet, i've only started 2 months ago so my vocab is utter trash even with going 20 new cards per day
i managed to completely understand a chapter of ookumochan flashback, but only with looking up a shitload of words
at least i did it and it felt good

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:30:44 2018 No.20519202 >>20519115 What are you having difficulty with in regards to の? Possessives? Normalizing? Subordinate clauses? You need to be specific.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:32:33 2018 No.20519213 >>20519192 im not talking to you i'm talking to anyone in this fucking thread. nobody here reads shit it's funposters and larpers. of course im not yellin at a total beginner you need to just hang in there and fuckin gambare

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:34:17 2018 No.20519217

i'm in the middle of reading Tae's entry on it, and it seems to have the most special cases and exceptions, but maybe i'm fretting too much and should give it a few weeks. also i'm semi shitposting i don't feel that lost, i'm actually highly motivated, thank you for offering help my tomodati i appreciate it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:39:39 2018 No.20519237 File: 81 KB, 720x672, 1411192327185.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20511082 Where's the Yotsubato download?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:42:32 2018 No.20519248 >>20519217 CureDolly does a good job of explaining the many uses of the "no" particle, but I wish she made a video where she gathers up all of its uses. Her explanation on のに & なのに was super helpful.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:43:05 2018 No.20519250 >>20519237 As in the manga or the reading deck (DO NOT DO THE DECK ITS BAD)

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:43:15 2018 No.20519252 How do I start reading? I'm a New Years resolution fag from last year, but have actually done my reps every single day. Am I ready?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:44:11 2018 No.20519256 >>20519183 Maybe they're buried instead. Use google for this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:46:13 2018 No.20519261 File: 50 KB, 500x383, 1460233745045.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20519250 The manga. I was sure I had it downloaded but can't find it anywhere.

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:46:50 2018 No.20519263
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>>20519252
>did kanji reps for a year but haven't actually tried reading or writing anything
How? Regardless, start reading a grammar book before you wreck yourself further.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 01:52:53 2018 No.20519278 >>20519263 It wasn't just kanji. I did RTK and core6k. I've read a bit of Tae Kim.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 02:00:54 2018 No.20519310 >>20519252 Someone linked a graded reader for elementary school children a few threads back. Start reading them.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 02:03:56 2018 No.20519327 >>20519261 Does the COR not have it? Check both sites?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 02:05:35 2018 No.20519332 >>20519256 Oh I see, thanks anon I'm dumb. I unchecked "Bury related cards" so hopefully that shouldn't happen anymore

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 02:24:36 2018 No.20519407
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>>20511082
>https://djtguide.neocities.org/
>https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/index.html
>the links for Shin Kanzen Master books are dead
Wow, fuck past me for not downloading any of it back then. Is the non-Shin Kanzen Master just as good? How about the Nihongo Sou Matome series?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 02:29:31 2018 No.20519426 >>20516935 I often misread the first one as しょうしんしょうい.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 02:35:04 2018 No.20519440 >>20519252 >Am I ready? you were ready the day you were born the question is do you want it >>20519278 >I've read a bit of Tae Kim. ready to go get you some fuckin japanese so get

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 02:49:17 2018 No.20519503 >>20515635 thanks anon。

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 03:01:05 2018 No.20519541 File: 193 KB, 960x717, genki.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20511082 have somethin for this op now that i think about it

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 03:01:55 2018 No.20519547 >>20519541 at least you put the good stuff on top

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 03:25:51 2018 No.20519636 hot take: the worst part about knowing japanese (or more specifically hiragana) is seeing weebs write out japanese lyrics in romaji

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 03:28:45 2018 No.20519647 Seems Kanjitomo hasn't been updated for a couple of years. Is it still viable for snagging text off of pics or is Capture2Text a proper alternative?

>>	i am not sure of my own opinio(...) Sun Dec 30 03:54:59 2018 No.20519750 >>20519647 I used it like this October. Still pretty functional, I think. Depends I suppose on the quality of pics you're trying to OCR.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 06:20:32 2018 No.20520494 >>20519327 I'm not seeing it, but I could just be retarded.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 06:23:13 2018 No.20520515 click the tab that says 漫画

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 06:25:44 2018 No.20520525 >>20520515 Welp, there it is...

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 07:12:46 2018 No.20520762 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E6rQ4FsY2g Subscribe to pdr san please

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 30 08:04:17 2018 No.20521031 File: 152 KB, 750x1334, 1542967802431.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>20516938 Wait, you can rice anki? how2.

Anonymous Sun Dec 30 08:06:43 2018 No.20521054

>>20520525
don't use the CoR for manga, use the manga library. the manga tab from the CoR is wildly outdated and is better off being axed.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/library/manga.html

>>20521031
anki cards are mini web pages, rice them using css on the card template

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