/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

Well, however you play is fine,
as long as you don't make yourself depressed.
If you are, your outlook, what you can see, will be small.
It'll bring forth envy and vanity,
and on top of that you'll try to justify that
and become a very narrow-minded person.
Depressed humans will, in no time at all,
become isolated.
They will try to justify their isolation, speak ill of others,
and eventually reach a state where they cannot be reached.

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: Search touhou game scripts for lines that can teach Anonymous something.

[Anonymous No.]

How many times have you left your
small suzuran field? Humans are the same.
If they shut themselves in a
small place too long...
they won't be able to see others.
Only your heart alone will become aggressive.
You are the same as other typical humans,
one who holds a small heart.

[Anonymous No.]

Shut up Komachi have some dickings instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045324

More like
>Shut up Komachi and get back to working Eiki's dick

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045379

Jesus christ it's thicker than her neck

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045390

Now that's punishment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045379
>>2045324
Maybe you need to learn something from your time here. That's right, Anonymous, you're a little too closed-up in your own emotions(we'll ignore your other sins for now).

You can't allow yourself to be swallowed up by your negative thoughts and feelings. This doesn't mean you should go out and be extroverted in life- but you should at least strive to make your life as it is now as happy as it can be.

Nobody can have everything they want, but we can learn to be happy with what we have. Don't be so bound up in your sexual desires- Remember that one day, you are going to die, and you won't have sex(or anything physical) then.

Enjoy life, but don't get caught up in it, because it won't last forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045407
>Enjoy life, but don't get caught up in it, because it won't last forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045433
Was I talking to Mokou? I thought I said "Anonymous".

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045433
>>2045436

You know, that makes me wonder how Shikieiki would regard Kaguya and Mokou.

Yuyuko is scared witless, but Shikieiki doesn't really need to be afraid.
Would she lecture them? They don't really NEED to better themselves, as they're never going to Hell for sins or raising to Heaven for virtues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045451
You seem to think that they can't just be carried off straight to hell, body and all. It's happened before, and on a much larger scale than one lone loli.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045473
Two lone lolis, my mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045451
>Yuyuko is scared witless

That's what she wants you to think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045473
>lolis
What lolis?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045473

As Hells have "lifetimes" (see: Hell of Burning Fires no longer being used as a Hell), it wouldn't really matter to them.

And since they're not souls, they can fight tooth and nail. Since ORDINARY souls can apparently fight hard enough to remain as a ghost and not get dragged away, I think an angry immortal would need entire legions of Shinigami to take them anywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045496
I figure in all the grandness of the universe, there must exist something with the ability to strip someone of the effects of the Hourai Elixer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045520
>>2045496
Reality has a "lifetime"(much the same way a star has an excessively long one), at the end of which the Hourai Elixir would cease to exist, along with everything else in existence. Kaguya and Mokou would have to flee this somehow or they would be rendered entirely nonexistant.

Obviously, as the hourai elixir is a real thing in that world, it would fade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045520
ZUN's Power Word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045533
>>2045520
>>2045496
>>2045527
On that line of reasoning, extradimensional creatures(read: us) can, on a whim, simply remove their immortality and cause them to explode violently or be otherwise maimed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045520

Mokou hopes, at least.

>>2045527

No. The Hourai Elixir generates "eternity", and is so eternal. No lifetime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045555
Eternity is a measure of time, as infinity is as well. When time ceases to exist, so does eternity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045572

Time will never cease to exist.

What is time? A measurement of particles moving. As Kaguya and Mokou's particles will never stop moving, so too will time never stop moving.

Eternity, bitch.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>2045520

Some doujins have explored different ways to kill off immortals, but canonically, there is no way.
Although as >>2045527 said, Mokou and Kaguya may both "die" at the end of the universe. If nothing else since there will no longer by any concept of time to compare Kaguya's "eternity" to.
Of course, this only applies if the end of all reality is, indeed, the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045578
You missed the point; When existence stops existing, what happens to everything in existence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045584

Existence can't stop existing so long as something exists.

As Kaguya and Mokou will always exist, so too shall Existence always exist.

Existence, bitch.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

Another factor would be how bound immortals are by the life cycle of the universe. If Kaguya's eternity only exists because there is a finite timespan to compare it to, Kaguya and Mokou are both integrated in the whole of things. When the universe stops ticking, so do they. Their existance would not cause any paradoxes or infinite loops
On the other hand, if immortals carry their own "eternities" completely independent from the rest of existance (in effect, making them walking parallell universes), the state of existance as a whole would not affect them in the slightest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045634

Why the hell would existence just "stop"?
Shit does not work like that, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

It boggles my mind how any topic about any Touhou can turn into a Mokou/Kaguya discussion about their immortality.

I like them, but why does it seem like we're incapable of creating a serious discussion about Touhou that doesn't involve those two? I'm not complaining much though. Discussing Mokou/Kaguya in a somewhat serious and interesting manner is infinitely more appealing than posting more random porn of Touhous and making bad jokes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045644

Because the Hourai Elixir is one of the big mysteries of Gensokyo.

(Why do Type-Moon threads inevitably become about powerlevels? Because powerlevels are a big mystery in the Nasuverse. Especially with all the inferior powerlevels defeating the blatantly superior powerlevels.)

Being immortals, they have a lot of unknown history (imagine your entire life, and then realize that it's only in the double-digits.), and a long ways to go (youkai eventually die over thousands of years, they will not), as well as how physics interacts with their powers.

HOWEVER, Gensokyo does not obey physics, so as long as they're in Gensokyo, they do not have to worry about heat death and whatnot.

[None !CIRNOmvnvk No.]

Eirin will make an antidote and that's it. It's definitely possible with the help of death-related touhous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045658

She'd need someone like Yuyuko to help, and Yuyuko doesn't have a body.

She needed Kaguya to make the Hourai Elixir after all.

Maybe blood and hair, or just willing manipulation-of-eternity whilst brewing it, we don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045652
>Because the Hourai Elixir is one of the big mysteries of Gensokyo.
Are there any other "big mysteries" in Gensokyo other than Mokou/Kaguya?

There's a ton of stuff you can speculate about Gensokyo, but it really seems like Mokou/Kaguya topics are the only times where people are willing to listen to other people to a point, accept that their interpretations will differ from others, and can accept things from both canonical sources and personal unique ideas.

[None !CIRNOlrBCc No.]

>>2045663
Yuyuko can help with some tip or magic, I don't see why body is needed. And if it is, everyone knows where it resides, some cut hair wouldn't affect the seal.

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

>>2045637

I've often wondered this as well, but for some reason modern physics seem to assume time itself somehow stops as the heat death of the universe occurs. The reasoning seems to be that with the first three dimensions gone, time will no longer be perceiveable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045678
>I don't see why body is needed.
Can you imagine if it were?

Kaguya and Eirin go to Hakugyokoro to find Yuyuko's body, which was used to seal Saigyou Ayakashi.

Biggest shitstorm to hit Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045683

The thing is; heat death requires there to be NO MORE sources of energy ANYWHERE.

Kaguya can summon energy in danmaku, and Mokou has fire.

Heat Death will NOT occur if they exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045688
>Kaguya can summon energy in danmaku, and Mokou has fire.
Or the fact that they'd still be alive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045692

Yeah, true.

Heart pumping, body heat, nerve impulses...

ENERGY EVERYWHERE

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045683
Who the fuck decided that time is the fourth dimension?
H,G, Wells?
Just because time and space are the same
doesn't mean that time is distinct from space,

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045702

Time isn't considered a Euclidean dimension.

Time is just bound to the 3 axis, so when they stop so must time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045694
>>2045688
But they must be taking that energy from somewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045729


The soul's energy is eternal, and the Hourai Elixir makes your body out of your soul while simultaneously rendering your soul invincible and untouchable.

Energy comes from soul, soul never runs out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045731
Kaguya and Mokou's got some SOUL?

[HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus No.]

Just back from running a couple of miles up the closest mountain in Swedish Winter cold and snow halfway to the knees, hoping for some sort of freak-occuring buddha like epiphany. It's actually not far at all but got lost, nearly fell down a ravine and scared some skiing kids emerging from the woods like fucking Blair Witch Project.

Said buddha like epiphany never came, but have some immortals instead.

[Anonymous No.]

I still don't think you've learned anything, Anonymous. This isn't about immortality, because you will never be immortal. This is about being ready for YOUR death, not talking about if or not others will. Think to yourself for a moment- if you died right now, would you be happy in the afterlife?

[Anonymous No.]

Where will you go when you die, Anonymous? Do you know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2047971
Probably to heaven....probably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045496
does /jp/ has a wallpaper-like resolution of this? more like 1440 onwards

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048041
*have

[Anonymous No.]

Eirin made the elixir and can probably make an antidote. Seems simple enough to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2047971
To dance with the blind nuclear void, to the tune of flute and drum.

[Anonymous No.]

This thread took a odd turn for the worse. I suppose it's interesting to discuss immortality, but best not to take it too seriously when Gensokyo is a land of phantasms with a fairy tale logic applied to youkai's abilities.

Yuyuko stole a entire season because she wanted to make a cursed tree bloom. It's never really explained how and it's never really needed to be explained because it's excepted things like that happen in Gensokyo, it's a land of dreams and legend, a refuge for creatures of superstition to escape a world of logic that no longer believes they exist.

Posting the best character in PoFV, hell, even her theme was the best in PoFV. Komachi is just great all around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048178
>even her theme was the best in PoFV
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hht5BcP28qI&fmt=18

Too bad she has the tendency to get shit on by /jp/. Mostly because of that picture you posted. There is the occasional interesting topic about her here and there though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045451
Siki hates them because they steal souls from the karmic cycle, by selfishly living forever they deny souls to be reborn. Or at least that's what I've read from somewhere.

[Tewi Inabog No.]

when the last stars and planets go out, suffercating to death repeatedly for all eternity wouldn't be nice

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048214
Where is that "somewhere"?

[None !KYON.wwv9s No.]

>>2048202
You can't really get serious in a Komachi thread when half of the pictures are about her showing those humongous breasts. Even when she is not, damn they are hard not to notice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2045688
Surely even magic must draw upon some external source for energy?

If there is magic in the universe and it is not effected by entropy then, yes Mokou and Kaguya will effectively live for a truly endless eternity. As would a few other creatures I suspect.

If magic is affected by entropy then even these two would die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048202

/jp/ hates tits and loves parroting memes. I'd like to say this is exclusive to /jp/ but frankly it's not.

Though to be fair, she gets a fair amount of admiration too. I don't mind 'too lewd' jokes so long as they aren't done all the time. It's one of the identifying stereotypes she's just got to live with as the Touhou with large breasts and a lazy attitude. That's most of her character there, it's just she also has a pretty neat look to go with it and a awesome stage/theme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048230
Either the PoFV scripts or from Perfect memento, I am of course paraphrasing but I do recall that Siki explains that immortality stops souls from joining the karmic cycle preventing new people from being born.

By Siki's dialog with Yomou in PoFV it seems that Half-Ghosts have different rules concerning life and death too, Siki says she must punish Yomou when she meets her because she might not ever get the chance to pass judgment on her again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048250
>I don't mind 'too lewd' jokes so long as they aren't done all the time.
That's the problem. Most of /jp/ has no sense of moderation. The joke wasn't even terribly funny to begin with, but /jp/ loves it.

[Tewi Inabog No.]

>>2048268
reposting something stupid on 4chan =/= liking it

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048250
It got pretty much clarified in SWR and PMiSS that she was a bit of a slacker, but I still hold onto the impression that she's not necessarily horribly lazy like most people make her out to be. She just doesn't like doing unnecessary work, and she takes things at a relatively calm pace.

>Komachi thought that it was just a temporary issue, and worked at her own pace without the slightest bit of worry.

When I read this, I got the impression that she continued working at her normal pace, not because she was hardcore lazy, but because if the problem had an end, the solution would come eventually over time. She wasn't aware that the influx of spirits would cause a problem. If she knew they would, I like to think that she would pick up the pace to get the job done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048214

This would probably be about right. Though I can't imagine Sikieiki hating them personally, more like seeing their existence as a abomination to the natural karmic cycle. To that end it's like Yuyuko's reaction to them; they are both unnatural beings who can never truly die. Well, at least not without Eirin finding a way to reverse her own work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048268

You get used to it. This is the same on every board on 4chan. I just take the pictures I like and move on if I'm not in the mood for it, or push the thread in a different direction by commenting on something more then her breasts and Siki's view of them.

Also, http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=JP&hl=ja&v=DmY28NvckzQ&fmt=18

[Anonymous No.]

well heres how u do it: right XD
so first (ºoº) u go here http://google.com/ search ``sicp''
u click 1st link (maybe its other if your not english -_-)
read it & do the questuions.
do it untli satori =^_^=
..:: good luck ^^ ::..

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048202
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hht5BcP28qI&fmt=18

Pretty cool, bro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048299

Well sure, I agree her attitude is probably more easy going than outright lazy, but for the most part her stereotype is true enough if over simplifying things. Character depth in Touhou comes more from making your own opinions on implied statements about characters, so it's full of room for people to argue over and take liberties with.

Eitherway, expect most Komachi threads to be just cheesecake celebrating her figure.

[Anonymous No.]

I like how everyone completely overlooks the philosophical value of the FIRST POST so they can tread on old, long-beaten ground. Anonymous seems to be unable to try out new things.

[None !KYON.wwv9s No.]

Speaking of her, does she really reap Tenshi's soul in her ending?

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048373
To be fair, it could have gone in a much worse direction.

>Shut up Komachi have some dickings instead.

But honestly, there's not much to say about Komachi's lines, unless there's several ways to interpret and look at it. I do not mean this in a demeaning manner, but it would be good for you to lead with a post about it so we could follow in some sort of direction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048390
Not her lines, but what Anonymous can learn from them. Like, to not be depressed and reclusive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048403
Well, hell man. I don't feel particularly depressed.

Sure, I'm isolated, but it sounds like Komachi is talking about a sequence of events, an isolation caused by depression rather than because isolation caused because of too much animu, mango, VNs, and Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048422
see
>>2045407

No need to be extroverted in life, but at least be happy with what you are doing. If you already are, then that means you're ahead of the class~!

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048430
Cool beans, bro.

Too bad a lot of you bastards make it difficult at times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048436
Men don't stop doing something because it's difficult. Difficulty is a way of being proud of yourself for having gone through with it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>2048387

No.

The last route is Tenshi, where she goes around and beats everyone up.
She can't exactly do that if Komachi killed her.

Besides, she doesn't have the jurisdiction to take souls, as she was basically saying at every stage of SWR.