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ITT: should you suppress your power level when in Japan?

I usually keep quiet about liking manga and wota stuff, as I just don't think it's a very interesting topic to even bring up when meeting new people. When in Japan I've found that usually, when I all of a sudden do pick an anime song in the karaoke I get very positive reactions in 70% of the case ("wow! you know so much about Japan!!") and the remaining 30% I get the "lol white otaku" reaction. Some of them feel that once I reveal my true power level they can start pouring out their own otakuism, although, of course, in some cases it's more in the way Japanese people sometimes grab for straws to find some subject to connect through, as in "Oh, you like X manga? ME TOO!" or "Oh, you're from X country? I'VE ALWAYS BEEN INTERESTED IN X COUNTRY!" Usually, I think it feels like they're honestly talking about something they like, though.
Of course, like in any country, it helps that I don't look or act geeky in any way, because when I'm too quick to show any signs of being potentially wota, I usually get the "lol white dork" reaction. Japanese girls often fish for that by mentioning something geeky and see if I know what they're talking about. (as in "oh, you live near Nakano, huh.. have you been to that place where they sell all the minifigs.. what's it called, uh.. uh...") If, on the other hand, I'm the one bringing it and being like "lol you animu dork" when they pick a pokeyman karaoke song, then I'm free to be as good as I want on rythm games or whatever without coming across as a loser.

>> No.2039457

saying you like manga is fine.

saying you like anime can be pretty negative.

>> No.2039456

I don't believe you live in Japan, Mr. bad grammar troll.

>> No.2039465

What's with all the recent powerlevel threads?
I sure hope they're not all the same guy.

>> No.2039478

Wota should be exterminated.

>> No.2039480

>>2039453
gtfo moralfag

>> No.2039490

>>2039457
That's why usually when they ask me how I could POSSIBLY know anime songs, I I shrug it off with "huh? uh.. youtube.."

>> No.2039532

>>2039453

I once maintained a friendship with a guy from Osaka who knew a lot about manga and anime. He had a lot of the same interests as /jp/ would, and he was interested in the kinds of things I see on here sometimes. I however kept my power level up, even asking what Anime was more than once. I even would make fun of geeks sometimes just to show that I wasn't in the ota community at all...

...eventually he got tired of my nationalism and my general dislike of the xenophobia of his country whenever he brought up the subject of my visiting. I now feel that he thought I was being unusually mean about his culture...

>> No.2039533

ITT: Act like someone else because you are ashamed of who you really are.

No, you shouldn't. If bitches don't like you, fuck them. Find a better one.

>> No.2039546

>>2039533

I tend to revert to my defensive "Japan is full of xenophobia and hate for any foreign culture, they hate all outsiders and commit atrocities against their neighboring countries, etc" whenever Japan is brought up by someone speaking to me in real life.

I mostly employed that in answer to the constant starry-eyed reverence most people have around Japanese, but it seems /jp/ knows about it as well(from the Nanking massacre threads and gaijin hate threads).

>> No.2039547

1.pretend you don't speak japanese.
2.listen to what they say behind your back

>> No.2039554

I kept it quiet for a while, but eventually I found out a couple of my co-workers were relatively wota themselves, so I stopped. I didn't usually feel the need to talk about that kind of stuff unless they did first though.

One of my co-workers even bought me a figure for my good-bye party.

>> No.2039562

>>2039546
I can only see that as a response to the general idea of Japan being some huge technological capitol of the world.

My statement is more in response to OP, in which he poses the question if you should act like someone else, and hide certain aspects of your character, soley on the basis that some people may not like you.

Which is bullshit, I guarantee no matter where you go (First world) if you act like yourself (and you are generally likable, ect) you will find someone you can relate with.

>> No.2039571

>>2039554
There is no reason to go around sprouting weeaboo/otaku bullshit. However, there is also no reason to hide it.

If you are talking to someone, would you have a problem saying something like "Hey, did you see that last (popular franchise) movie/play (popular franchise) game?" any more than "You ever seen (anime, or anime series)?"

If you think otherwise, state why.

>> No.2039585

>>2039547
Legitimate, but they will not be your friends once they find you suddenly speak Japanese.

>> No.2039583

>>2039562
I prefer to learn something about others, before I let them know much about me. It's less suppressing who I am (after all I'm still me no matter what a stranger thinks) and more keeping my cards close to my chest. It's easier to move around in the world if people haven't formed negative preconceptions about you.

Usually once they've gotten to know me they have no trouble accepting that I also like wota stuff. If I suspect that they will have a problem, then they have no right to know, and deserve to be manipulated.

>>2039571
>If you think otherwise, state why.
Because:
a.) I probably don't want to hear what they think of it.
b.) It's much less likely that they know of it, or if they have heard of it have formed correct impressions of it.

>> No.2039587

>>2039532
Fun story. It's an act of balance, I guess. If you mention something TOO geeky, play it off with "yeah, I watched it when I was a kid." If you feel you're putting a distance between the two of you, weigh it up with some obscure reference to a scene in Tokimemo or whatever.

Another thing I do if they ask me if I'm wota is just be like "yeah, I'm the fucking Hokuto Shinken MASTER! ATATATATATATATATATATA"

>> No.2039589

>>2039583
>deserve to be manipulated.
Aren't you a fine human specimen.

>a.) I probably don't want to hear what they think of it.
>b.) It's much less likely that they know of it, or if they have heard of it have formed correct impressions of it.

a and b) Then don't mention it, I didn't say you shouldn't just not talk about it. Just that you shouldn't feign ignorance.

>> No.2039596

>>2039589
Otaku = Animu & Mangu fags
Wota = Idol fags

Use the terms correctly if you are going to refer to yourself as one. They aren't the same thing. The "w" was added on purpose.

>> No.2039601

>>2039589
>Aren't you a fine human specimen.
Well really. It's pretty silly to let wota hobbies (and such things) change your opinion of someone. If they're that kind of person, why on earth do they deserve to be given additional knowledge?

I was mostly responding to this:
>If you are talking to someone, would you have a problem saying something like "Hey, did you see that last (popular franchise) movie/play (popular franchise) game?" any more than "You ever seen (anime, or anime series)?"

I would only feign ignorance if I didn't like the person, or if I thought they were testing me. If it's the former, I don't want to give them any excuse to speak to me further. If it is the latter, then are the one who started playing games and I don't see how I can be faulted for playing in return.

>> No.2039608

>>2039596
That's not what I heard. Source?

>> No.2039609

>>2039596
I'm sorry, did I ever refer to myself as a wota?

My posts
:>>2039533
>>2039562
>>2039571
>>2039585
>>2039589

No.

>> No.2039612

>>2039601
Reasonable I suppose. I still see no problem with mentioning them in passing.

It would be like if I went to a bar and asked someone, "Hey, you ever seen (SciFi Movie Here)?"

If the person is all "OMG I H8 SCIFI, UR LAME", then fuck them. Would you even enjoying talking with the person?

>> No.2039617

>>2039596
>otaku
>wotaku

actually they're exactly the same thing. Japs use it that way, anyways. don't know about weeaboos.

>> No.2039627

>>2039609
I didn't mean to quote yours, I just clicked it to reply then forgot to backspace, sorry.

>>2039608
I don't really have a definitive source but

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wota

Wota is short for wotaGEI or otaGEI which is an idol fag. Animefags are otaku, there is no "w" because the "w" came with the fans who slapped it on the beginning of it for no reason. My point being that it is ironic that you made that mistake because otagei put the "w" at the beginning so they would stand apart from regular otaku and have a distinction.

>> No.2039629

>>2039612
>If the person is all "OMG I H8 SCIFI, UR LAME", then fuck them. Would you even enjoying talking with the person?
I don't really expect the response would be that extreme... but at the small talk stage, the knowledge that I am interested in such things could distort their impression of me, even if they're a decent person. They will have some idea (probably incorrect) of what 'those people' are like, and I do not want to be tainted by those ideas.

>> No.2039632

>>2039617
ITT (Also): Confused people arguing semantics.

Wota, Otaku, weeaboo, whatever. It means you fukkin' like Japanese shit. What are the chances of you not being japanese and liking Idols, but not liking anime or manga? Or jpop/rock/whatever the hell?

>> No.2039634

protip: you shouldnt suppress your powerlevel, no matter where you are. But you shouldnt try to show everyone that you like anime/manga/video games/whatever, either.

>> No.2039643

>>2039634
>>protip: you shouldnt suppress your powerlevel
You are the reason we all have to suppress our powerlevel...

>> No.2039647

>>2039627
>wiki links to otaku

>>To indicate that one is talking about the Japanese definition rather than the English loanword, the spelling wotaku (ヲタク) is sometimes used. On Japanese forums such as 2channel, however, otaku (オタク) and wotaku (ヲタク) are used interchangeably, depending on the mood and personal style of the poster.

herrrp derp derp

>> No.2039649

>>2039634
That's pretty much what I've been chanting here.

>>2039629
Point still stands about it. If that is the way the person is, they will find something they dislike about you and stick with it. Boss, coworker, or otherwise. Maybe you like to wear a striped tie, or maybe you drive a crap shack car. It doesn't matter, if they are the type of person to judge you based on the little things.

>> No.2039650

>>2039627
The Japanese wikipedia article states differently.

近年では「オタク」という表現が一般化し、オタク＝岡田斗司夫みたいな人
と認識され、それらを嫌った[要出典]「オタク」と呼ばれる人たちは「オ
タク」という語の使用をやめ、「ヲタ」「**ヲタ」という語を使っている。


Otaku just changed the original 'o' to a different 'o' (often romanized wo), because they didn't really like the image associated with otaku anymore.

(According to Nakagawa Shouko, the change occurred because of people reacting to the otaku fascination created by densha otoko, but wikipedia doesn't seem to agree with that.)

>> No.2039653

>>2039650
Ugh, I copied the 'citation required'. Fail.

>> No.2039657

>>2039649
I'm saying that even if they aren't, their impression of you can be confused by admitting membership to a subculture. Instead of trying to struggle through such wrong impressions, I'd rather avoid them in the first place.

>> No.2039655

Put ヲタク in Niconico or Google and you'll see that it refers to both 3D and 2D crap.

tl;dr it's all the same shit

>> No.2039671

>>2039655
Yes, but put wota into Niconico or Google and you will see they are completely different. Wotagei is a "part" (I guess) of otaku-ism. It was born from it, after all isn't otaku just akin to saying an obsession/hobby? Anyone can be an anything otaku.

>>2039647
>>otaku (オタク) and wotaku (ヲタク) are used interchangeably, depending on the mood and personal style of the poster.
Wota is short for WOTAGEI, not wotaku. The term wotaku only comes from the fact that ヲ can be translated as "wo" or "o". I'm talking about Wotagei being a part of Otaku-ism in which your main focus is idols. herp derp.

wotagei/otagei =/= wotaku/otaku

>> No.2039677

The pressure to assimilate and fit in neatly among japan expats is always so funny; in a way they reveal themselves simply by the fact that they're always thinking about these things and not letting loose.

They get intense about it to the point of outright dispising every other japan expat and telling others not to come to japan.

>> No.2039694

>>2039677
What is an expat?

>> No.2039699

>>2039694

Someone who used to play for the Patriots.

>> No.2039708

>>2039694

I hate this place so much

>> No.2039710

>>2039671
>wotagei/otagei =/= wotaku/otaku

Nobody claimed that they were equivalent. What's your point?

>> No.2039724

>>2039710
Unfortunately, that was my point. Generally, wota is short for wotagei not otaku. It doesn't matter, when you think about it, just thought the OP should know. Continue on.

>>2039708
You just wrote a whole paragraph using the word "expat" and you hate everyone else?

>> No.2039745

>>2039671
>>2039724
No. See: >>2039650
>「ヲタ」「**ヲタ」という語を使っている。
Wota is short for otaku as well.

>> No.2039755

>>2039724

uh paragraph?

durrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?

hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr?

>> No.2039783

you don't have to suppress your powerlevel if you never leave your fortress.

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>>2039755

>> No.2039790

>>2039745
I know, that's why I said "generally". Wota is always short for wotagei and is only sometimes short for otaku, hence "generally". Also, it's only in technicalities, in the sense that ヲ can be romanized as "wo" or "o". Like I said though, I guess it doesn't really matter in the long run lol.

>>2039755

>> No.2039804

>>2039790
Whatever indeed. Believe what you like.

>> No.2039806

>>2039699

The La-li-lu-le-lo? What?

>> No.2039826

>>2039694
Engrish for expert.

>> No.2039848

>>2039806
らりるれろ!

>> No.2039880

Moron!

Expat is short of Expatriate.

more info here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expatriate

>> No.2039887

>>2039880
Someone doesn't understand the comedic effect of a pun.

>> No.2039889

>>2039887

inb4"trolled LOL"

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>>2039708
Not everyone is a native English speaker.

>> No.2040750

>>2039790
Wotagei refers to the performances that some idol otaku do, with the dance moves and optional shouting. It so called because it's gei performed by wotas.

>> No.2040801

>>2039532
You're a fucking asshole.

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>>2040750
Fascinating.

>> No.2040803

>>2039708
Then get the fuck out.
It's that simple.

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>>2039671
>Wota is short for WOTAGEI, not wotaku

>> No.2041572

I got to the second sentence and gave up on this thread. You can't move in Japan without seeing people of every gender, class and creed reading manga, it's obviously not some kind of social taboo unless you're reading dickgirl tentacle rape on the fucking tube.

>> No.2042041

Man, this thread really turned into a piss-fest while I was asleep.

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>>2041572
Well, I do see people reading eromanga on the trains, every now and then though, and sure, I discuss Gundam and quote Raoh's death-speech with my 60+ year old teachers. That half sentence where the word manga happened to be mentioned is not specifically what the thread was about. You shouldn't read things so literally.

/op

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