DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #2056

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, elementals, and Japanese video games.

If you have no interest in the above or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you(sorry, nyan).

Read the guide before asking questions:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
https://djtguide.neocities.org/ (legacy)


Previous thread: >>20332229

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授業ちゃん
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PKCB2aXe1I&t=19s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFp-giu0EEc&t=287s

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Thread's constitution video ^^　Or how to make thread's experience wonderful
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQzr9k77ASY&list=PLymXCsF1prxZyH0Mxm1tAC0Jr_UC3ALQd&index=122

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sdBEwe1KKmg
There is nobody better than Tatsuro

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>>20342495
Are we going the idolthreads route then?
Making a new thread as soon it hits page 10?

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>>20342525
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTyxxY_uFYQ&t=116s
すみっこになりたいね。

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why did the nips change their words for months when the old ones were so much cooler

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>>20342495
>If you have no interest in the above or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you(sorry, nyan).
Are invitations okay? /m/ is trying to sub a gundam short and you guys are more than welcome to take a look. >>>/m/17036868

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>>20342504
>>20342525
Stop advertising your youtube channel here.

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>>20342623
Are you literally retarded? Fuck off.

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>>20342623
i translated it for you check thread yw

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>>20342577
Communist influence.

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>>20342623
You sure you want help from DJT?

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>>20342760
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymcA2P4TrgQ

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>>20339433
if its a real/common/unambiguous word you can just skip the 小/゛/゜ button and the right word will still show up in the suggestions
かんはつて
there might be another trick i dont use japanese on my phone much

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>>20342770
james made the second panel better than it was in nippongo
he should be an h writer

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>>20342766
i dont know spanol but its good to see they cant use their ears well enough to type up captions either

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So i have N2 tomorrow, does anyone have some sample questions that were ACTUALLY asked?

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日本語時間

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English only.

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>>20342799
no

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>>20342801
日本語時間は何時かからですか
何時かまでですか

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>>20342799
名前:_________

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>>20342839
>何時かか
>何時か

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>何時か

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nanjika

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>>20342843
なんでもいい

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わたしはfuckinゲイ

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how many pages did you read today

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200 pages of anki cards

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>>20342760
theres nothing wrong with this

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>>20342841
I already did that one, anything else? Even a scan is fine, but i want a real one from the new version (post 2010 i think).

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>>20342929
in less than 36 hours you will have this information in your hands
itll work out in the end

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Remember to eat some カツ for the big day tomorrow, fellow test takers.

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>>20342924
how do i measure a vn in pages

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Does anyone have that document of kanji count for various books? The DJT library doesn't show it anymore for some reason. I'm curious how many unique kanji are in Date a Live.

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>>20342939
No one knows where to find archive of the old test? I can't find any no matter how hard I look (the few times i do find some they look too old).

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vn's aren't reading so you don't

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>>20342961
It does show it if you sort by kanji count or open up the series index.

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>>20343020
Oh I see it, thanks.

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>>20342648
Thanks anon

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I discovered the secret to learning japanese. When drunk I understand 99,99% of everything I read. I can regonize and somehow guess how to read things I never seen before. I have read 30 pages without touching a dictionary, hell I feel that I can make my own dictionary. too tired now, have good night, friends

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>>20342495
How do I say "flat ass" in Japanese?

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平たい尻

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フラット・アッス

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愛蘭製尻

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I don't understand how to learn grammar. I can't remember any of it. I'll "read" a sentence and know what all the words are but not get a basic grammar point that I've looked up 10 times. Fuck me up the fucking ass

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誰でもフィンランド人は明日JLPTしている?

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nani the FUCk

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>>20343152

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hello pretty peoples
カワジャパのキュアドリーです

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>>20343159
いいえ、馬鹿ですか、あんた？

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>>20343152
you don't learn grammar. you acquire it. you aquire it by reading a lot and listening a lot

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hello pretty peoples
わたしはゲイ

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>>20343182

でしょねええ

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>>20342495
Outside of me trying to learn to read it are there any sources you would recommend for learning proper pronunciation, I tend to get more than a little bit of this wrong from sources I hear later on, well unless those are wrong :/

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learn the ipa or dont be a stupid anglo

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>>20343218
>>20343172

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pitch accent more like bitch accent

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tabeta backary dah

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>>20343218
Subs2srs a bunch of anime/jdrama, do each line you capture untill you sound like them. It helps with reading too and since you subvocalize while reading you're just crippling yourself not studying pronouncement as you go. You can fix it later but I think it would take more work later and practicing speech is good for memorizing vocab and whatnot.

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at least she dont say bocka

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you need to listen to 10000 hours of japanese to be able to come to hear all the nuance of pronunciation. until that happens you can't pronounce things properly so don't worry about how you sound until that time comes

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Reminder to set your Interval Modifier to 150%

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is the pomodoro technique a meme

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idk any kind of time management routine that you actually stick to is really good

apathetic waffling literally wastes your precious life

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>>20343366
Idk, when I first tried it it was great but then I started cheating out of it and avoiding doing it altogether. Now that I’m a bit more conciencious it might work better but I don’t wanna trade 50% efficiency for 95% but then burn out and get neither.

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>>20343366
if you have concentration issues, no
if you are a normal human, yes

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a zoomers brain is fundamentally and permanently crippled when it comes to not being a piece of shit

they need jesus more than pomodoro

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https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10011726021000/k10011726021000.html

On a scale of 1 to 10, what's the difficulty of this article? 2 maybe?

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its on nhk ez

so its ez/10

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>>20343405
so the son did it right

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>>20343396
where does one find jesus

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>>20343415

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>>20343366
breaking concentration for 5 minutes every time you enter flow state is dumb as hell so yes

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>>20343405
genki/10. it's fake japanese made for foreigners

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>>20343444
does it take 20 minutes to get there

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this is damaging too its ok to let them read the ez news and feel good about it

as long as they are staying subjected to real ninja shit outside of that its zenzen heikidayo

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>>20343461
it does for me at least, the first 20 minutes of reading feel like they go longer than the next 40

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how long have you blah blah blah

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>>20343490
fair
i dont like the intervals of pomodoro myself
seems like a starting point if you cant get anything done though

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just do something

be about it

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i am doing something

its ur mum

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no youre not youre just talkin about it

you aint doin it you aint bein about it

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bitches that talk about it but aint about it

where i come from we call them ninjas ho ass ninjas

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yeah alright fuck tatoeba time to make the jj chenji

https://jisho.org/sentences/51866380d5dda7e98100051f

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aint nothin to it but to do it bitch

and im doin it

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jews control the media google it biographical information on the people who are in charge of major media corporations is available in plain sight for anyone who cares to look it up

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id rather look up hentai bitches skirts lol

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>>20343564
you certainly are ho https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxsfEio0L8Y

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>>20343568
Why do brainlets always say
> Jews did everything bad!
There are several payoffs to this strategy
1.Saves you studying politics, history, economics, religion, and nuance. Instead, blame Jews, and work your way backwards using Mental Gymnastics
2. Stops you from doing something about your sad life. If Jews are the reason wite wimmin won't date you, or the reason you are unemployed, fat, anti social, then you can't do anything about it, there's no need for you to exert yourself to make lasting change.

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>>20343589
me on the left

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>>20343589
me taking the picture

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jews didnt do everything bad after all they were good sports and played along with hitlers epic holocaust

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>>20343590
ad hominem isn't an argument

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>>20343589
this photo shows a disgusting 3D hag terrified at the fact that a man has chosen 2D over her and thus taken away her power

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jidf in full force today huh even on fucking daily retard thread on fucking jpoopy they dont even try to hide it

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jamal is a janny

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minna genki ? : )

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Explain to me your process when reading manga. What do you do to learn?

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>>20343657
i read the words and look at the pictures to ascertain the details of the story

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>>20343657
everything you understand any of is progress
just read more

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>>20343657
There is no process because manga isn't reading.

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How can I read manga if manga isn't reading?

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the answer is simple

read it

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>>20343676
You clearly feel very strongly about this. Would you care to explain why it isn't?

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Taking N4 JLPT test tomorrow (this is my first time taking the test). What should I expect? I've got more or less poor grammar but solid vocab skills and have 8k words in my study log so far (so probably 5k matured) any advice as well? I'm nervous.

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LOL

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>>20343714
I just carry on the torch of the original poster whenever I see blasphemous speech
>>20343719
What the fuck are you nervous about? There are 0 consequences regardless of how you do

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>>20343729
Some form of proof of my education on it and $60 aint cheap for my broke ass. Also been doing nip for 4 or so years I've wanted this for a long time.

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its always been a dream of mine to not only be bad at nihongo but pay japanese jews to certify me of such

lmao

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>>20343756
>elitist weeb faggot circlejerking over fucking anime and a language
No one cares about you fuck off.

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you cared enough to get insta buttflusty and reply

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if being able to read something isnt enough proof of education lmoa

and you actually need to drop money like that lmoa

looks like youll need proof of a brain first lmoa

tsugi ni omae wa poorfag lmoa

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>>20343750
>4 years
>N4

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thats what the numbers are for right

you get n5 when youre 5 years in and thats the highest honour

thats the one nuke marine has

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>>20343750
The good news is that if you can't pass N4 after four years you may qualify for social assistance.

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>>20343750
If $60 is a lot to you why waste it on a useless test? Getting N4 out of all things doesn't make you better at Japanese and it's bad enough to not help you get a job.

Next time buy some JAV.

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jamal real talk do you even speak japanese

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im glad nuke is larping as someone with an interest in reading cause now when he reads rude things about him here

he wont be so hurt

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kihontekini yes lol

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>>20343787
It wasnt 4 years of intense study.

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nihontekini yes lol

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geitekini yes lol

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Does nip pussy smell like salmon or tuna

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you gotta be intense if you want to get good at japanese

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rotten albacore

get a native in here to vet this post

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native here im a virgin lol cant vet shit but my dick

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Reminder no one browses djt anymore because avataring autist lurk this general and probably cant speak/read japanese for shit.

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lmoa at the 31 other people hes calling nobodies

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nani ?

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btw that was my nuke chan impression

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>>20343825
I know your the same retard to because your being a turbo autist because he actually thinks (You)'s are a fucking currency.

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To be honest I like when the threads go to shit

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>>20343816
lol it took me a minute but i got it i see you dude very nice

>>20343836
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpBFOJ3R0M4 <-- this is me

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lol these threads die because nobody is learning japanese anymore
everyone is switching over to chinese :)

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>>20343816
t.adds 5 new cards a day
>inb4 HURRR ANKI GRIND

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>>20343856
if they arent they should be so they are ready for the new world order

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>>20343862
agreed
plenty of faggots on /int/ who were formerly learning japanese have recently switched over to chinese
such a great sight to see :')

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is chinese easier

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you have a better chance learning chinese to read cn translated vns anyway lol

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no cause all chinese media is hella boring

like youd have to be a literal chinaman to enjoy that shit

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>>20343719
The fuck? At 8k words your ass should be taking the N2 at a minimum. If that's beyond you then your dumb ass should be reading Japanese two hours a day and watching Japanese four hours a day.

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yes chinese is easier. far less grammatical bullshit to deal with, and having the language all in hanzi actually works well for it.
and you can find some fun chinese media, i suggest 奇葩说 as a good one
(爱奇艺 is just a good website in general)

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>>20343782
Nuke must be N10 at this point then.

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>>20343940
I hardly study grammar these days or read. I'm not at all ready for n2. And I said 5k matured from the shitty core decks.

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>>20343983
what are you learning for if you dont read

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I want to move to Japan so I can finally lose my virginity

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godspeed

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nihong a go go

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>>20343988
Language can be spoken you know

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>>20344001
do you have friends in japan

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>>20344006
No since I dont live there

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>>20343714
manga is reading but the density and lack of literary narration wont give you the same results as reading novels.

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>>20344009
so who are you going to talk to

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>>20344017
Nobody, I'm not the n4 guy. I was just sayin you can use a language to talk ya feel

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it takes two to tango dont forget to grind out a personality as well

dont wanna have nothing but flashcards to talk about

ya dig

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hows this for a nice lil ice breaker

https://streamable.com/l6h0h

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>>20344025
try learning a language without knowing how to read. not saying its impossible ...

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>>20344108
Uh, ok? You strawmanning cause you bored or what homie

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>>20344012
true, but reading manga on the way to novels is better than jumping straight to novels and burning out because they're too hard

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>>20343983
You don't need to study grammar. You need to read and read some more. Look, just take the stupid test and get back to reading.

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Does it help to sleep with manga under your pillow?

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>>20344197
Up your game. Make the manga your pillow.

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>>20344193
Why do you guys hate the jlpt so much? I Know its a meme test but employers and normies dont know that.

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haha look i passed the jlpt n1!!!
now you can be my friends and i get a job in aerophysics XD

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>>20344218
Unless your job requires it I don't see the point of getting any of them, especially getting any lower than N1.

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>>20344218
because nobody here learns to talk to people or gain employment

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thanks to japanese i stop mixing up vertical and horizontal
because of 縦 and 盾

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Got through An Integrated Approach to Intermediate Japanese and most of 上級のTobira.
I should be ready for N3 tomorrow and N2 next year. Right?

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Is there anything that comes close in comfy levels?

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>>20344357

SSR

YKK

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>>20344357
naurto

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>>20344379
AUG

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>>20344379
>>20344384
FAG

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At my current speed of one deck per 2 months, it'd take me a total of 6 and a half years to kill core2k and core6k.
Feels fucking snail's pace.

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I think we should start sharing important words so that newcomers can get a headstart on their mining decks. Here's my contribution: 失禁

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空閨

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any of you have a pdf of Norwegian wood in Japanese i can't find it

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>>20344440
get the hardcover 2 volume set it's nice. and you can turn the book sideways to read the shitty english

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>>20344404
が・ん・ば・れ

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I wish japan would open the immigration flood gates and allow anyone with a n1 in. I dont want to get a meme degree.

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why would they let people who dont know japanese in without a degree or other proof of societal worth

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Just get a Bachelor of Arts, take Japanese uni classes and while you’re at it take an intro to world history course so you can realize why that’s a bad idea

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>>20344623
What do you think you'd be doing there without a degree

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Test day tomorrow fags. What level are you taking? Are you prepared?

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>>20344669
What do people without degrees even do? Manual labor and being a customer service punching bag?

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im taking whatevers after this

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>>20344687
its not hard to find your own path to money dude

but if youre a chump thats part of the giant mass of scrubs that get funneled through mainstream society things are a lot harder because you dont have the ability to think for yourself

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>>20344697
Oh right, Because of bill gates there’s a lot of college dropouts who think they’re smart and successful like him w

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make excuses and dump it on someone else it just proves my point

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oh also dont invest in bitcoins lmao

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if tkyosam can get permanent residency anyone can

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https://youtu.be/vrS48l2zVzQ
This is from 2010? I think Nuke got worse since then.

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>>20344735
now this is troubling

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hes exactly the same what youre witnessing is the power of having a script

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that was my only conclusion as well but it sounds like he actually knew some of the words he was saying like intuitively and then you know hed spit some kinda slurry mess after that

shoutouts to the wife at the end

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nukemarine is epic

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damn his wife was still skinny back then

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Day 27

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>>20344735
Imagine being married to nukemarine. How does she do it? He must have a big dick or something.

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its called settling

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>>20344735
He's damn near about the same... he said he had to work a lot though. I'm just glad I'm a neet and can dedicate a few years to this.

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has nuke ever talked about why he started learning japanese

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>>20344691
How do this work? You can damn 0s on Listening and Reading and still be considered N3+. The hell?

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>>20345117
If it twists your nuts that much, just have a minimum in each category. Like this:

N5 - 10 points
N4 - 20 points
N3 - 30 points
N2 - 40 Points
N1 - 50 Points

So for N3, you need to be at least 150 overall and 30 points in each category.

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>>20345031
Yeah. He said it was because he was stationed in Japan when he was in the Navy.

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Has anyone bought any recently released books? The library really needs an update.

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>>20345031
after a fruitful career in the us navy he decided what he really wanted out of life was to be a 全国各地を揺るがす playa str8 outta 横須賀市

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>>20345188
What, you need more books you haven't read?

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>>20345207
I just want more recent stuff

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shameful zoomer behaviour on display here

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JLPT N1 is the only one you should ever take, and only for job qualifications. The order you learn grammar in is completely arbitrary, というか is N1 for example. Words are a little more understandable. Also for that reason, going up to someone and saying you're N3 or N1 is the cringiest thing ever because it doesn't actually accurately portray your language ability. Like, at all.

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ファンダ･メンダ・マウス
I wanted to read this one if anybody knows how to get it?

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>>20345241
the words are pretty bad too but only because of the dumb emphasis on student, work, and political vocabulary

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>>20345248
http://www.bookoffonline.co.jp/display/L001,xadid=cp00014,q=%2583%2574%2583%2540%2583%2593%2583%255F%25A5%2583%2581%2583%2593%2583%255F%2581%2545%2583%257D%2583%2545%2583%2558?utm_medium=site&utm_campaign=none&utm_content=BU_search&utm_source=boc

hope that helps

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>>20345241
N1 is also good for Japanese university. Obviously for courses in Japanese but even if you are taking courses in English or want to transfer into 2nd or 3rd year sometimes fluency in Japanese is required by administration and n1 is accepted proof of that.

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i wouldn't say the jlpt grammar order is arbitrary, just that you're misunderstanding the level that n1 is at which is basically intermediate. というか might as well be intermediate compared to n5 stuff like です in the grand scheme of things

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big unko

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>>20345284
Why? Nothing is difficult about というか, it's the combination of 2 N5 grammar points in a very easy-to-understand way. It also shows up a lot in real Japanese so it's not even particularly rare. JLPT orders grammar in a way with no logic behind it. If you just read and listened a lot then you would acquire というか in the first month tops. It comes very fast in any Natural Order (Krashen) that I can come up with.

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N5 - absolute beginner, earned in 3 months
N4 - beginner, earned in another 3 months
N3 - upper beginner, earned in additional 6 months
N2 - lower intermediate, earned in another 9 months
N1 - intermediate, earned in an additional 15 months
Total time for approximately intermediate, nowhere near advanced let alone fluent, let alone native level: 3 years.
Think that’s bad just wait until the pitch grind after you reach advanced

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yeah i mean who cares in the end it's just a test. if you study for it you'll pass it who cares about the grammar order or whatever anyways. it's not like grammar is the hard part about japanese anyways

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>>20345207
>>20345188
I actually have lots of recent books but they're all jpegs. If someone could share a good OCR guide I'd be happy to make epubs.

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should i try to remember everything in tae kim or just read it and refer back when im confused

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>>20345354
Easiest way to memorize Tae Kim is through Anki

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>>20345354
skim it, then do dojg deck

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>>20345354
You use Tae Kim as a reference that you come back to repeatedly until it sticks without looking anything up.

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you should not srs japanese -> english grammar translations if you don't want to deal with undoing the translation habits it builds

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>>20345327
>Grammar shitters actually believe this
This is the actual list backed up by research by Krashen and Terrell

Preproduction stage: Only listening, no production. Some people skip this stage, especially adults who can already physically produce speech. Synonymous with the silent period which is necessary to consolidate new grammar and information. (About 500 words in lexicon)

Early production stage: Very limited speech, usually only a few words at a time, not complete sentences. (About 1000 words)

Speech Emergence: Able to communicate with simple sentences but makes a lot of errors (About 3000 words)

Intermediate Fluency: Able to speak multi-clause sentences but still makes many errors. (About 6000 words)

Advanced Fluency: Near native level, about what a 5-7 year old native would have

[Anonymous No.]

Tell me about the first time you spoke Japanese in person. I'm imagining my first time when I go to Japan next year

>500 yen ni narimasu
>Hai

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btw krashen doesn't know japanese so that's all irrelevant

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>>20345386
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIXMf7UxcJk#t=525

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>>20345352
can somebody get this man an ocr guide?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq22HnF8tDY
is there a way to watch gaki online?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345327
>pitch grind
Only retards believe in this shit.

You don't have to grind your pitch accent. This comes naturally and as long as others can understand you, you are golden.

You want to know what is the hard part?
Seeing a 400 pound weeb who can't say one word in a social interaction.


Also
>N5 - absolute beginner, earned in 3 months
>N4 - beginner, earned in another 3 months
>N3 - upper beginner, earned in additional 6 months
>N2 - lower intermediate, earned in another 9 months
>N1 - intermediate, earned in an additional 15 months

It really depends. Personally I would say N5/N4/N3/N2 are literally retarded. What do they even prove? Also you don't write in Japanese and don't talk Japanese, so this test is more or less just some kind of "starting point" to get you to a job interview.

Also N1 is pretty hard to really put into any classification. If you want to know Japanese on a university level, N1 is like a joke and not even considered intermediate.

If you only want Japanese for Anime and low tier employment/communication, most of N1 is literally useless.

The biggest reason N1 is so hard for many people is because YOU DON'T READ ANY OF THOSE WORDS. This is the reason most people fail N1. If you just take Japanese classes (like in School or any other low tier education outside of Japan), and only read easy stuff, you won't learn any of those.

You could say the N1 test is more or less just a test for people who have learned specifically for this test. Also the "pass" requirements are easy and if in doubt, you can just pick something randomly.

Personally I still like the JLPT, but it is pretty much only for people who study alone and want to prove something. If you took classes in Japanese or have any degree in Japanese, the JLPT test is worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345386
With a tutor on iTalki. I'd never spoken before but because I had focused on reading and listening I had a decent vocabulary and we understood each other pretty easily.

[Anonymous No.]

have you tried the internet

also lol yea freaking out over pitch accent is a thing scrubs who havent watched 10000 hours of anime do

[Anonymous No.]

Real linguist here

>N5 - Can't read your favorite porn games yet
>N1 - Can read your favorite porn games but might have to look up some shit if the author(s) wiki dump on your ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345386
>>500 yen ni narimasu
I kinda zone them out but it's actually more like
>500 yen ni choudai itashimasu

>First time I spoke Japanese in person
They asked where I was from, I said America, then they said ooh sugoi nihongo jouzu desu ne?
The first actual meaningful conversation I had, a guy was talking to me and his wife came out and told him he's an idiot and to speak slower for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345327
>in an additional
Is this bait? There's a few people who passed the n1 in 1 year, plenty who do it in 2 years and you're pretty much retarded if you can't do it in 3.

[Anonymous No.]

N1 - 2 months
N2 - 4 months
N3 - 6 months
N4 - 9 months
N5 - 1 year total
(if you are going try hard mode)

[Anonymous No.]

>Pass N1 in a year
>Can't produce a simple sentence without stumbling over yourself and restarting the sentence twice as you organize the words in your head
Epic use of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345455
maybe thats the case for you cause youre retarded lol

[Anonymous No.]

just watch more anime ftw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20344669
Teach English. But you need a degree for that too. I would honestly do manual labor too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345354
Don't memorize Tae Kim's grammar rules. At the most, add the sentences to Anki where the only thing you care about is what the sentence means. Even that's not needed if you start reading as then just refer back to https://Core6000.neocities.org which has the DoJG series.

[Anonymous No.]

Help me ruin 2chan

I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

私有パトロールカーで麻薬をやりながらthe fountainhead"を読みました。突然ラジオが鳴れた。ラジオに50円玉を入れた。部長だった。
“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”

もっとほどいな事だ。誰かが500億円分のビトコインを盗んだ。

The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”

ヘロイン針が腕から落ちるほどびっくりした。どんな化け物はそういう事する?ビトコインは世界の一番理想な通貨: 仮想、匿名、政治と繋がらない。究極な経済自由を代表して、世界の政治の操作から無敵。手掛かりがありますか?

“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”

まだだな。。でも僕の言葉を覚えて、誰かした人を見つけて、逮捕する。。。誰かが市価を支払う、次第に。

“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”

安心して部長、定義によって、市場が提供する価格は、市価だ。

He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”

部長が笑う。そうだ、リオウスキは

“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”

"安心しろと言った、僕に任せ

I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.

サイレンに50円玉を入れた。十分後に現場に到着しました。普通なビル、歩道に囲まれた。避けながら中に入った。

“Home Depot™ Presents the Police!®” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.

SHIMACHU会社は、警察を提供いたします!®と言ながら拳銃、気、とron paul の小さな写真を見せた。動きたい方以外、皆動くな! 誰も動けなかった。

[Anonymous No.]

>bought genki
>only read the first section
>immersed and studied naturally for 3 month
>finally go through the book
>already figured out 90% of this stuff on my own
I think had I used the book it would have slowed me down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345563
yea im not reading all that 69 decides what i read next

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345566
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

Idk how long I've been studying, certainly not even 6 months but I know I made a post about my 1st month reading I just don't know how long ago that was. My curiosity wants to to check the archives but at the same time I don't want to burden my mind with comparing my time studying to how much I know.
Thanks for reading this blog

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345676
to find out how much smarter you've gotten since you first started all you have to do is revisit the first thing you tried to read
if it gets you down just remember that language learning isn't a fuckin race

>>20345574
kinnikuman

[Anonymous No.]

so is J-CAT safe? they don't even have https

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345587
Mad because bad.

[Anonymous No.]

mad cuz bad LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345458
It's the case for anyone who studies specifically for JLPT because JLPT

1) Does not test speaking
2) As mentioned above repeatedly, has fucked grammar and word learning order (many grammar even a kid often uses is completely absent, too)
3) Uses artificial sounding Japanese like you would find in the Genki books

[Anonymous No.]

jlpt is definitely the kind of test you just drill specifically for with materials that target it and otherwise ignore all that bullshit because youre watching 10000 hours of anime ftw

[Anonymous No.]

Why does learning a new language make my head hurt? I don't like it when my head hurts, so that makes me not want to learn a new language

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345779
The brain is a muscle, work out and feel the burn

[Anonymous No.]

Tfw your down time consists of reading LNs and watching Japanese shows So you’re basically learning Japanese for free While others approach it as something they need to take a break from And talk up how difficult it is to learn Which makes people think your smart Even though all you did was watch tv and read porn books

[Anonymous No.]

increase the amount of fats in your diet and drink lots of water. also increase your pages read and listening hours. critical mass

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345563
Replace heroin with shabu if you want to localize the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

Increase the amounts of fruits and fish you eat and drink lots of water. Gradually increase your pages read and listening hours as you get use to the workout your brain is going through. Realtalk the reason why your brain is hurting is because you never use it.

[Anonymous No.]

just eat hot pockets for max time efficiency

dont even waste time heating them up just eat cold dont even waste time taking them out of the wrapper or out of the box

[Anonymous No.]

Just eat cold, raw manga

[Anonymous No.]

i mean reading is literally a physical exercise that can tire a person out like that's a thing

[Anonymous No.]

how does a ninja read a book and get tired

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345735
Mad af.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345883
it even happens w/ english language books motherfucker have you ever cracked open virginia woolf? i quadruple dog dare you to get through more than 10 pages of this without snoozing
https://ebooks.adelaide.edu.au/w/woolf/virginia/w91md/

nihongo books are cooler than this but they'll still tucker you out

[Anonymous No.]

I don't want to do RTK anymore
maybe if there was a premade deck but making up stories by yourself is exhausting as shit i can't make 100 cards a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345895
>What a lark! What a plunge! For so it had always seemed to her, when, with a little squeak of the hinges, which she could hear now, she had burst open the French windows and plunged at Bourton into the open air. How fresh, how calm, stiller than this of course, the air was in the early morning; like the flap of a wave; the kiss of a wave; chill and sharp and yet (for a girl of eighteen as she then was) solemn, feeling as she did, standing there at the open window, that something awful was about to happen; looking at the flowers, at the trees with the smoke winding off them and the rooks rising, falling; standing and looking

jesus fucking christ
this is why i only read nonfiction

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345897
RTK is a fucking meme. Just take the dip and learn the raw way. RTK is like feeding a baby artificial shit forever and never giving them actual food or regular milk. Chances are if your sick of it you arent scared of Kanji anymore anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345895
>woolf
haha
no
haha
hhaaah
hahahaha
seriously no

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345895
how about i just >>20343682

[Anonymous No.]

JLPT in a few hours. I'm gonna fail it and quit DJT forever out of shame!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345911
It's not all fiction, it's just that modernism is trash. You may have noticed already that WWII basically marked the end of high civilization in Europe and America and art of all kinds has regressed into absolute garbage since then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345912
i'm not scared of kanji, i want to handwrite them and not freeze when I see a rare kanji out of the words I learned it in and can't recall the meaning or whether I've ever even seen it before

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345929
*WWI

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345931
>Writing shit down in the day and age we live in
I mean you could if it helps I just dont see the point. I used Nihongoshark deck and just reviewed it for a few years and eventually dropped it. Vocab helps me now and its easier to distinguish them now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345911
the fact that you even bothered opening the link makes you the realest motherfucker in this thread, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345929
there's good stuff in modernism i really like some of their work but christ some of them are awful
if you've never read faulkner's "sanctuary" i highly recommend it, though he's the nisio isin of english in terms of how difficult he is to understand
actually maybe he's even... dare i say it... romeo

[Anonymous No.]

just slow down on the rtk. do it over the course of a year or something. do it so slowly you don't even think about it throughout the day. it doesn't teach you japanese, just how to write chinese characters, so think of it like a little task to make progress on each day instead of something tantamount to your studies

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345951
i could do rtk1+3 in a month if I had a premade deck that has one example word with the kanji in question in kana and a premade story but NUH UH ninja

none of the premade decks have japanese words with them because idiots think it's a good idea to spend 6 months doing RTK before they start learning Japanese so clue words are completely useless to them, also the formats and bloat information are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

I think I fucked up at dokkai

[Anonymous No.]

>>20343159
myötis ja sinipilleröity

[Anonymous No.]

i mean if you're fluent then you it should take you a second or two to press the spacebar and type a japanese word next to the rtk keyword. lets say thats 6000 seconds for all 3000 kanji so not even three hours of typing in japanese words

[Anonymous No.]

jlpt soon and only slept for 3 hours desu

[Anonymous No.]

waapurobakas out of my nihongo sure ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346000
Let's do our best anon!

[Anonymous No.]

What are the benefits for having passed a test in jlpt anyway?

[Anonymous No.]

Does anybody have a Japanese audio book they recommend?

Long solo trip tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345987
ok now write nabiku with a pencil

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346027
validation probably

[Anonymous No.]

>他人と本の話がしたくてもできない彼女は思う存分本について語り、本が読みたくても読めない俺はその話を思う存分聞く、という、ちょっとした持ちつ持たれつの間柄だ。
this is the longest sentence i've ever understood without having to reread it. i feel like i am making a little progress.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry if this is a bad questions, but how do I actually go about learning Japanese?
I'm reading the guide and I don't understand where to start. Do I do grammar then vocab? Vocab then grammar? Both at once? I've already got a decent grasp of the Kanas, though far from perfect. Is there some sort of program to follow or do I just figure it out myself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346062
feel, do not think
listen to raws while you sleep and it will come naturally

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346062
I don't think you will be able to learn it my dude sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

buy a textbook and work through it. if you think japanese is still cool at the end of that buy a manga and try reading it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346068
I mean half a decade of anime and music hasn't gotten me very far - maybe I'm just autistic.

[Anonymous No.]

yeah but were they raws

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346089
The music is, but I'll admit the anime is subbed

[Anonymous No.]

it's cuz you didn't complete rtk before you started listening

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346062
spend like a week or two reading a grammar guide of your choice
install ithvnr and yomichan
read lns or vns or manga or anything you can get your hands on
constantly refer back to grammar resources (dictionary of japanese grammar, handbook of japanese grammar) when you dont understand stuff
if something feels too difficult then dont force it and pick something a little easier especially when you're first starting out
read kino no tabi and become epic nihongologist

[Anonymous No.]

genji monogatari in its original form has more in common with modern everyday japanese than music does

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346112
So I can worry about Kanji and vocab after I'm done with grammar? Thanks for the advice anon.

[Anonymous No.]

austrian jlpt takers where you at

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346126
i'd recommend doing them concurrently i forgot that part
download anki and do core2k or vncore both are available in the guide

[Anonymous No.]

わたしほしい やさい
Does this translate into "I want vegetables"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346140
OK, so core2k+grammar guide, thanks

[Anonymous No.]

Started out with Duolingo courses, but realizing now that it's far from a great tool for learning Japanese. Any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.]

read the thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346107
Tut tut.
If you wanna learn Japanese for real here’s what you do (over and over):
Google a question you have that relates to Japanese, keep looking until you find something that clicks, if you come across something else you’re curious about as you do that go ahead and look into that first no rush.

Sample the Japanese media that you know of, pick whatever you feel like and try watching/listening/reading and pick something else if its not fun, lookup stuff you don’t get in a dictionary, recite the sentence from memory.

Keep tabs on Japanese learning communities, let them find and evaluate sources etc for you, take their reviews and advice with a grain of salt (sorry in advance if the above advice winds up being so ineffective for you that you get mad just thinking about it)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346143
it sounds a little more like "i speak english"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346181
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20342495
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkdmU8hGK4Fg3LghTVtKltQ/videos

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345415
かってください

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345730
Keep your cancer back in >>>/a/ where you belong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346181
>Keep tabs on Japanese learning communities
Actually do the opposite, avoid them at all costs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345912
RTK is not a meme. It's probably the single reason I was able to pass N1 in under 2 years. Don't diss RTK just because you failed with it and/or an idiot who never read the introduction of the book.
>>20345897
If you don't have the self-disicipline to stick through RTK you likely don't have the self-discipline to stick with Japanese for the years required to reach fluency, and will likely regret it later once the novelty of vocab/sentence-mining wears off too. Though you don't have to stick with it, you can always just come back to it later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346327
do you know how long it takes to make 100 rtk cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346337
No time at all if you use pre-made decks correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>add RTK deck to my Anki
>want the new cards in this deck to always show before the review
>for some fucking reason this of all things is not an options group setting and if you turn it on it applies to every deck

WHY!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346442
Make an options group just for RTK. What's the issue?

[Anonymous No.]

I've been having trouble remembering words since I only recognize characters based on Kanji which means that I cannot understand when something is written in Hiragana or spoken.
Would it be a good idea to make my cards have the Hiragana on the front and the Kanji+Definition on the back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346447
>say that it's a universal setting, not an options group setting
>"why not just make an options group?"

?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346327
>RTK is not a meme. It's probably the single reason I was able to pass N1 in under 2 years.
Congrats, in 2 years you passed a test with literally no production tests (i.e. speaking). You do realize that written "language" is not language, right? It's a representation. Being able to read and write does not mean you know Japanese, sorry to burst your bubble.

It may actually be better to learn Japanese first then go back and learn kanji because then it will fit into a framework you already possess. The only reason you may consider not doing this is because some compelling content is missing furigana. That and "I like kanji" are the only real reasons to do something like RTK, doing RTK just to have an easier time stroking your penis thanks to your N1 cert is not a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346470
You're right that RTK is dumb, but saying written language is not language is even dumber.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346482
Honestly, only people who haven't actually tried RTK, or those who think it's some kind of isolated thing you study as opposed to SUPPLEMENTARY think it's stupid. I mean, if you have a photographic memory RTK is probably useless for you, but it has helped me tremendously.

I learned to read the first ~1600 words just by doing trial and error in Anki. Once a new Kanji came up that looked similar to another one it would start throwing me off and i'd start reading words i had already learned wrong. Now, i still learn readings of Kanji solely through vocabulary as isolated Kanji study with readings is just fucking insanity. You need a memory hook to learn readings or you'll end up killing yourself or giving up. Anyways, I did 50 new Kanji per day using RTK. Took me like 4 weeks and my retention was around 75% most of the time but now I simply never have trouble recognizing a Kanji anymore, and through knowing how it's written, what it consists off and what rough meaning it has it becomes far, far easier to remember new vocabulary and retain it. My vocabulary retention has jumped to 93%.

Of course everyone is different and different methods work for different people but if you're frustrated with Kanji and struggling RTK might just be the solution. I dreaded the idea of learning to write all these Kanji before i started but it was actually kind of fun in a way. I only did the 2200+ core Kanji though.

Obviously if someone were to do RTK by itself without anything else that would be beyond stupid, but i think most of the RKT haters in here are just people who are scared of "wasting" time. Looking at it from a different perspective, i can kind of understand. Handwriting is not required in this day and age after all, especially if you're not planning on living in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346482
>Braille is a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346514
I've tried RTK and it wasn't difficult, I was doing it fine, but it was boring and I'd rather read compelling content. Some of us want to learn the language. I turn your statement around and say that only people who don't understand language learning theory think that they have to begin grinding kanji at such early stages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346558
1800 words isn't an early stage
I probably would recommend doing RTK right from the get go either, I also never said that RTK or grinding Kanji is required to learn japanese, i simply said that it helped me personally and that it's not a complete waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346566
*wouldn't
fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346566
>1800 words isn't an early stage
It kind of is

I'm not saying RTK is a waste of time just that I did it, benefited from it, but weighed the benefits against what I could have been doing, decided it wasn't worth it for me, and dove into reading without finishing RTK. Right now (taking a break to DJT shitpost) I'm playing Dragon Quest on my Japanese 3DS with ease. Been studying a year and a half, wasted about 9 months of that time on Genki textbooks (I consider that wasted time)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20343657
>>20345710
>>20346112
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346550
>Latin is not a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346586
Latin is a dead language. One of the criteria for being a language is that you can create utterances which hold meaning. You cannot utter with writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346514
You could have done 400 kanji in RTK over 1 month instead of 2200 and the result would have been the same (+ you're familiar with more kanji already but you don't need RTK for this)
I was the same as you, had a hard time with new vocab because I was clueless about kanji it all looked like scribbles to me. Then instead of anki droning (which wasn't succesful for me at all) I went and got some actual experience with kanji: studied radicals, extensively browsed jisho, tried making sense of stroke order and writing new vocab...
After a while I just got better at it and my vocab retention naturally got better too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346442
>>20346454
Who the fuck are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346470
>Congrats, in 2 years you passed a test with literally no production tests (i.e. speaking).
I can output fine, and I said in under 2 years. You're also not making the point that you think you're making, because RTK is production. You're just cementing that you don't actually have any idea what you're talking about.
>You do realize that written "language" is not language, right?
Lol, so this is the intellect of the average person who is too stupid to understand the benefits of RTK. I'll give you 2/10 for effort if you're serious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346689
>>20346689
>RTK is production.
Explain to my tiny brain that doesn't have any idea what it's talking about.
Also, since you can output just fine, I've done the honor of preparing an easy page for you to read with your N1 level.
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

I await being educated by one of such esteem as yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

これ

どう？

いっちゃくほしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346703
cute
like a potato sack

[Anonymous No.]

yukkuris are literal cancer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nSIFzBB6yQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346741
じゃがいもぶくろ？

ピンクのほうがいい？

[Anonymous No.]

Have to pass french N2 in two hours, hope me good luck even if i'm probably gonna fail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345911
Woolf is better than any Japanese writer ever eat shit plebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346851
>*wish me good luck

[Anonymous No.]

I understand 99,99% of all words in all of Hikakins videos. What JLPT level is that

[Anonymous No.]

木林森
きりんしーん

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346881
一二三
these combinations are 癒す material

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346940
>一二三
"ひふみ"

[Anonymous No.]

卍††卍

[Anonymous No.]

what should be the first thing i read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346851
Bonne chance mon 友達

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347065
10000 hours of anki cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347053
卍 まんじ (n) (3) (sl) wow; yeah; ugh; yuck; awesome; really; let's go

[Anonymous No.]

>君以外もう知らなくていい
It is okay for me not to know (anyone) more except you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347132
ぜんごによって

いみが

かわるとおもう

ぜんごおしえて

[Anonymous No.]

question to fellow subs2srs fags

do you have any ideas about shows like terrace house
>real, natural, unscripted
but i cant get my hand on jap subs with this.

any ideas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347164
だが断る

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347197
Just watch Game Center CX my dude

[Anonymous No.]

English: Revolution
French: Révolution
Spanish: Revolución
Japanese: 革命

Why does the only good non-English media in the world have to be made in this fucking impossibly hard language and not something piss easy like spanish? Fucking damnit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347277
All the good nip media gets translated. Why do you care if it's in moonrunes? You won't be able to understand a french book or website either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347277
don't you mean 再回?

[Anonymous No.]

How the fuck do you improve speaking and listening.
I just did N5 today. The first 2 sections are simple af since I'm 2k in Anki and do some light reading every now and then. Listening was a traiwreck tho.
How do I practice listening and speaking? Finding a friend to talk to IRL is hard enough, nevermind them speaking Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347325
Here's the secret. Watch 実況 on youtube. I'm not BSing. I've done NOTHING productive japanese-wise for the past year and a half but watch 実況 on youtube, and occasionally anime ftw, and my listening has gone from "can barely follow conversations" to "can completely follow anything that involves everyday or gaming words".

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347325
You practice listening by just listening to things and following the story or whatever they're doing. Maybe your favourite idol shows up in some TV show and talks about her relationship with the other idol.

You'll never be able to practice speaking without finding someone to speak with. Give up now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347325
subs2 srs for listening comprehension
lang 8 for speaking (writing)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347197
Ask Nuke. He somehow was streaming his studying of Terrace House with Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20344947
You’re gonna make it, friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347336
Thanks frendo I'll give it a go.
>>20347345
Thanks for the advice. I rarely watch videos dubbed in jap (other than anime) because it sounds scary af. Do you think I should pay for japanese class so I have the opportunity to speak?
>>20347355
subs2 ooks cool. Thanks m8.
Is lang-8 something useful tho? Or is it something like Duolingo

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>>20347431
I've never took any language classes outside of obligatory ones in high school, so no idea. If you have the money to spend you could always try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347325
italki
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJKDr-1TjM4

also check out the whole channel
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChBBWt5H8uZW1LSOh_aPt2Q/videos

[Anonymous No.]

>開く(ひらく)
>開ける
>開く(あく)
>開ける
>明く
>明ける
>空く
>空ける
woah

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347525
thank you nukemarine for crippling so many people's japanese

[Anonymous No.]

wtf why would you think Im him

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347532
to be fair he didn't actually design the deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347325
>How do I practice listening and speaking?
>Listening
By listening
>Speaking
By speaking (and listening)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347441
just befriend obasan on tandem for free instead

I play animal crossing with a 35 year old depressed saleswoman every week

[Anonymous No.]

now thats whats up cakes still good boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346062
みんなの日本語

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347553
how much do you get out of this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346086
>half a decade
That's nothing. Try 10000 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347431
>Is lang-8 something useful tho? Or is it something like Duolingo

you write whatever you feel like talking about and natives correct you. you must collect points for this by correcting other people entries in your native langue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346062
do more stuff in the language, get better at language
anki boosts your vocab, reading boosts everything but your listening, and tons of content out there for listening
books on the subject are kind of a waste

[Anonymous No.]

rtk is not language production. it's writing chinese characters given an english word. it doesn't mean you can write words from memory all of a sudden like natives can. you still have to learn to write if you want to be literate. but it should help you a little more compared to someone brute forcing writing like japs do. also it should help you visually deconstruct kanji which makes it for easy lookup of unknown words but you don't need rtk to learn this skill, it's just a byproduct of writing kanji from memory and learning with heisigs primitives

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346027
>jlpt

A sense of accomplishment (for normals). Only N2 and N1 matters if you're aiming for employment. Too be honest, I took N4 to motivate myself on studying but it didn't work. I procrastinated then I crammed for the last 3 days prior the exam. Yet I still managed to pass it. It seemed that the stock knowledge I gained by lazily doing Anki and watching anime w/o subs/reading VNs did the work. I realize this exam is pointless (since I can pass it easily). It cannot guage how good you are with Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Is 草食系 the japanese equivalent to cuck?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone taking the JLPT in NYC willing to meet up afterwards to go over the test and have gay butt sex?

:3

[Anonymous No.]

:3

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87qdxfJIz4E

[Anonymous No.]

Going to Japan for the first time soon. Never spoken Japanese for but have been doing my reps for 2 years. How do I gain confidence to speak in Japanese without feeling embarrassed by how bad it is?

[Anonymous No.]

dont talk just to show how bad at japanese you are

talk because youre trying to do something unrelated to language

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348129
>Never spoken Japanese for but have been doing my reps for 2 years

Have you been reading...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348143
Do you honestly not know the answer to that question?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348129
you'll be screwed for conversating unless a japanese person befriends you, butthey also have a lot of respect for people learning their language so you'll be appreciated but they won't want teach you. They'll just want you to practice english on unless you're super fluent in japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

if you watched your 10000 hours of anime you'll be fine. just imitate the polite characters you've seen and when in doubt don't invent japanese

[Anonymous No.]

People here glorify N2 and N1 too much when all the levels are meant to just gauge your level of proficiency.

Employers don’t ask what JLPT level you’re at. They ask for the “equivalent”, meaning you could never have taken the test, be fluent, and still say you’re equivalent to a N1. In which case, you’re still likely going to have to demonstrate your proficiency.

Passing N2 or N1 proves to YOU that you’re at that level, just like passing 3, 4, or 5. No reason to discourage others from taking it if they want to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348171
yea I heard the same thing, you don't really need any certificate, if you know japanese it will be apparent really quickly

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348143

Yes obviously. But I've done 100% of my "study" in my room on my computer so I'll probably talk like a complete retard even if in my head I can pronounce it properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348186
I haven't done it myself so take my advice with a grain of salt, but I'd recommend getting some conversational practice online before you go. It couldn't hurt and shouldn't be expensive.

[Anonymous No.]

get a kimono and an accordian and play polka, I've seen it work for others

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348171
The problem is that passing N1 apparently doesn't really mean shit according to some. I'm not good at Japanese in the least and the N1 practice test was extremely easy for me.

From what I can tell N1 means that you can communicate with someone if they intentionally modulate their speech to be as clear and simple as possible, as if they were writing a manual or explaining something to grade schoolers.

[Anonymous No.]

it's more like you're better than you think you are. you just aren't comparing youself to scrubs so you think you suck

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348223
cont:and that's if you get a good score. A 100/180 score is still passing but thats a complete joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348245
I don't compare myself to others in that way. It's just the fact that if I listen to any native content, television, conversations, or try and read internet posts and conversations, etc, I don't know what the fuck is going on.

I can read manga, light novels, games, etc, but that represents a very narrow slice of the Japanese language and are specifically crafted so the average retard can consume them.

[Anonymous No.]

so basically you learned how to read otaku media which is a very specific form of the japanese language and haven't put in the hours to learn natural speech patterns and sounds or how people actually talk to one another

[Anonymous No.]

for real though talking about how easy or hard the test is without actually passing it is a waste of time

[Anonymous No.]

this thread and the posts therein were a waste of time

[Anonymous No.]

Thread always sounds like a bunch of N3s finding refuge here after hitting the wall.

[Anonymous No.]

what is the wall

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348129
Book some sessions on iTalki. Accept that your accent will be terrible but also keep in mind that nobody will care. Around Tokyo you won't need to speak in Japanese often if you don't want to, but everyone will be delighted if you make an effort. Have fun!

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[Anonymous No.]

>>20348526
a pink floyd album

[Anonymous No.]

Definitly won't pass N2 this time, but i am confident next time.
Also when will I get my result? On the site they say March of next year but I can't wait that long when I am sure i failed.

[Anonymous No.]

who cares if you pass or fail it makes no difference on your life or your nihongo ability

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348701
It does since I won't be able to put it on my college resumee.

[Anonymous No.]

how many pages did you read today? manga and vn subcreatures don't reply

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone in MIT?

[Anonymous No.]

muh college resume lmao

you know what people do when they see those

they throw them in the garbage immediately

[Anonymous No.]

lmao at Matt's crippling number of patrons, he uploads fewer videos than when his channel wasn't pay to watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348705
I read 10 news articles on NHK
and this week I finished my 40th (and last) graded reader

[Anonymous No.]

i'm still amazed he makes $2k a month for literally nothing

[Anonymous No.]

Only thing you should take in college is public speaking and then drop out and get work experience while doing something you really like doing that has potential to make money. You can even conterfeit a degree and bullshit that you are already fluent in japanese, unless they have japanese people there they'll never know the difference. I was making 20 an hour fresh out of high school doing graphc design work that I learned how to do the day before the interview. You can do anything you want in this world, but don't go to a boring ass college for no reason, but they do have some cute girls there and nice parties, but it's a waste of time from my experience.

[Anonymous No.]

thats fuckin word uppercase me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348748
i mean i make 2k a week literally doing nothing and i even get to post on djt all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348431
Do you think anime and vns are some secret dialect? Obviously there's tropes but the vocabulary and grammar is mostly the same.

[Anonymous No.]

and if all else fails just use basic desu masu to communicate its the proper thing to do anyway lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348875
it's all recorded by professional voice actors with very clear pronunciation. irl people don't talk like that. anime might help you understand the news since it's also very clearly spoken but actual conversation or real life stuff like live action movies or dramas it is basically a different dialect in the way they slur words etc

[Anonymous No.]

theres literally nothing weird about the way ideas are expressed and you can use a lot of what you learn key word learn from your reading and i guess listening of the hentai games as long as you arent mimicking the 2d girls key word mimicing

this means you need to know japanese on some level fundamentally and intuitively to actually you know build on those skills

this is too advanced for djt tho

[Anonymous No.]

and that's not even getting into 役割語 which is actual made up language for fictional media such as anime and LN that doesn't exist irl

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348168
>when in doubt don't invent japanese
Biggest rookie mistake there is

[Anonymous No.]

so basically yeah i think it's very telling about the kind of language used in otaku media if you can read manga and visual novels but not understand television or regular conversation like that previous person attested to

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348774
how does one make 2k doing nothing?

[Anonymous No.]

youre only allowed to invent japanese if you have a high score on this test

>>20348942
find someone willing to give you money for something that is really mostly nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348959
>find someone willing to give you money for something that is really mostly nothing

[Anonymous No.]

can I as a white guy make in a host club if I get really good at Japanese?

I'm really cute and can hold my liquor

[Anonymous No.]

The dojg deck is pretty efficient for finding out what you don't know/can't figure out. I think I'll have finished it in about 5 days and found quiet a few things I needed to know and didn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20346612
>One of the criteria for being a language is that you can create utterances which hold meaning. You cannot utter with writing.
big if true citation please

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348979
there is a youtube video where a guy tried this, the first 4 reject him and said "japanese only" but he eventually found one. It was pretty cheap too like 80 dollars for an hour and she would do anything he asked except sex unless she wanted to

[Anonymous No.]

you gotta be movie star quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347336
a year and a half ago what were you reading and how hard was it
been trying to get a better picture of the level of comprehension people start pushing listening at

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck? What are all these N2 words doing here??

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348990
I think he wants to work there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348289
>I can read manga
No you can't. Manga isn't reading.

>>20348939
see above

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348939

You're comparing reading to listening. Obviously it will be harder to listen in real time than read super slowly while looking up every word.

[Anonymous No.]

minna genki ? lol

[Anonymous No.]

its mina
mina genki

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349004
My listening and reading skills have always been basically on par. I'd understand the same thing whether it was spoken or written with basically the same number of rereads/relistens and dictionary lookups or googlings.

[Anonymous No.]

no its minna as in minna genki ? lmao

[Anonymous No.]

what exactly is this manga isnt reading meme?

[Anonymous No.]

some retards trying to pic related

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349108
have you ever watched japanese tv? there are subtitles everywhere. if you can read you can understand japanese tv. meanwhile this guy doesn't "know what the fuck is going on" he said he can't read internet posts and conversations. i am not comparing reading to listening. i am comparing otaku media language to normal japanese

[Anonymous No.]

daremo genki? rofl....

[Anonymous No.]

nandemo genki

[Anonymous No.]

>>20342924
haven't read in a month now. wrist is starting to feel better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20343113
Does this have to do with the "affective filter" or whatever that word is that krashen and kaufmann have used to describe people who are too pussy to let the nihongo flow through them?

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>>20349152
Yeah and I never found that to be the case. I can understand it if I have time to look up the words and read it. For example just pausing the video and playing it back a few time. there are subtitles you still have to interpret much faster than reading a vn or manga which were the examples you gave. I'm assuming the op read hanahira and yotsuba and was surprised people had more complex thoughts than how great their Bento was.

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>>20349196
maybe but im assuming he was reading stuff more advanced than that since the n1 questions were "extremely easy " for him. maybe he would fail the listening portion of the exam which would result in a 不合格 so his opinion is worthless anyways since jlpt is mot a reading comprehension test

[Anonymous No.]

its not even a language proficiency test

[Anonymous No.]

I thought you can only use は once per sentence but I keep seeing it twice..

[Anonymous No.]

yeah but if you know japanese you will pass it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349244
look up "は contrastive"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20348990
>the first 4 reject him and said "japanese only"
Fucking racism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349290
my buddies in the gaijin youtube community assure me that this is simply because their staff cannot understand them

[Anonymous No.]

How do I do 1675 Anki reps in one sitting?

[Anonymous No.]

nightcore and coffee

[Anonymous No.]

Just mash the spacebar

[Anonymous No.]

why mash just hold

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349290
Keep in mind they are illegal operations. Letting foreigners in is a risk some aren't willing to take. He still made it into one pretty quickly. Plus you should be able to do pretty good over there picking up women without the need for hostess bars. Lot of gaijin chasers.

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>>20349332
Step 1) do some stretches get limber feel comfortable, if you’re uncomfortable you won’t study as well
Step 2) Eat some snacks. If you’re hungry you won’t study as well either
Step 3) Go for a quick walk and try to visualize yourself doing the cards happily
Step 4) browse r/getmotivated until you are legit excited for anki time
Step 5) quickly review your pre-anki deck for the less intuitive but important kanji/radical mnemonics. Eg how easily can you recall the stories about dotted cliffs and lidded crocks
Step 6) put on some chill instrumental music. It might be tempting to listen to Japanese music but don’t it’ll just be distracting. check out r/classicalmusic, r/techo or search on 4Channel.org/mu for recommendations
Step 7) do your anki reps, biggest tip I can give here is just try to remember what’s on the back of the card given the content on the front of the card.
Good luck!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349244
look up "KawaJapa CureDolly"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349332

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349332
pace yourself, don't take all 12 inches at once

[Anonymous No.]

>Late to the test and only got half of the vocab part finished rest were blank seriously fuck boston couldnt find a parking for shit and wont be suprised if my car is towed by the time I get to it because all the signs are vague as shit. Also most likely failed n4 my grammar is fucking garbage and I barely read (I mean I can read just not fast or well)

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[Anonymous No.]

>>20349466
Didnt mean to greentext all that shit just the boston part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349450
Step 6a) Meditate for at least 150 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

the answer is usually adderall if you can get it, you can be fluent in 5 months with a prescription of them. You'll basically be a meth addict but the studyig potential is endless.

[Anonymous No.]

Would it be a good idea to start with learning the Hira and Kata characters, both writing and pronunciation, before anything else? Seems like it would be a good foundation but not sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349540
u dont need hirigana and katanakana

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349550
How so? Aren’t they a fundamental part of the language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349571
not really.

[Anonymous No.]

the only thing fundamental to the language is the language itself ftw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349585
Where is the best place to start then? I know there is the guide in the op but people say it isn’t very good

[Anonymous No.]

A while ago some anon in /djt/ posted a Japanese website that explained all of the references and jokes in Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. Anyone know that site?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349592
yeah learn hiragana and katakana then look into buying a textbook if you can't figure out the djt guide if you want some structure

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349592
It doesn't matter what you do or where you start, it all connects in the end. Jus try to stay away from anything english asap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349258
btw thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349605
>>20349625
Ok, thanks for the responses

[Anonymous No.]

is there a good method to stream live tv from japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349723
anything's possible for the right amount of money.

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like a retard because I aced everything in the N5 except listening. I’ve taken listening tests before and did fine but my brain turned off. Thank god for the 19/60 requirement.

Back to only reading for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345566
>>bought genki
>>only read the first section
>>immersed and studied naturally for 3 month
>>finally go through the book
>>already figured out 90% of this stuff on my own
God I wish I weren't stupid. Reading never helps me.

[Anonymous No.]

Glad the Reading section was so easy so I only need a combined 35 other points to pass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20345897
>maybe if there was a premade deck
It's called kanji koohii. Steal their stories and tweak them as you see fit. But don't do RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

血圧
重大
延期
埋める

[Anonymous No.]

do rtk but dont make a big deal out of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349873
do rtk but ignore the stories and just try to remember the important readings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349819
either youre reading shit thats way too easy or way too hard
or youre just quitting before the progress shows

[Anonymous No.]

recently i noticed if all i do all day is japanese learnings my sleep is wrecked. its if my brain is fried. i wake up from semi deep sleep and suddenly have this sentence in my head that gave me problems - followed by problematic vocabulary. the next day i feel like sht.

damn.

[Anonymous No.]

Time to slack off on my studies for another nine months or so.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDcDPS5mg4c
New Matt video for those who care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349916
Your brain needs breaks like any other muscle in your body. If you are really concentrating you shouldn't do more than an hour or so before taking a rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349941
If you take a rest every hour you'll never learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349959
Retard.

[Anonymous No.]

guys what is best audio to listen to when commuting so i can bukakke immersion to the max?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349929
>most people here are already at an advanced stage
half a minute in and already looking to be a good time

[Anonymous No.]

Anime drama CDs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20349797
Why copypaste reddit posts when the gold is right here.

[Anonymous No.]

Who else here /failedjlpt/ today? Honestly I'm discouraged because this only makes me wanna try harder. But having directions in japanese is fucking bullshit for N5/4 didnt even know what I was suppose to he answering half the time. havent felt this cheated since the day I took my permit test.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350059
I'm not*

[Anonymous No.]

@ all my jlpt takers

[Anonymous No.]

why didnt you just drill jlpt materials so u knew what u were gonna see

[Anonymous No.]

fucked up the n1 listening section

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350079
lol dont be tom unless its tom from myspace

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347197
some of the costco releases of bgnd have jap subs. some don't.

[Anonymous No.]

Is rote memorizing vocab with kanji easier than just learning words like you would in Spanish, German etc? I feel like there's no way I could learn 50-60 words in a day without my kid's pictures to help

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350079
actually we're reading high-quality japanese eroge, kid

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350059
Retard. There are PLENTY of practice JLPT tests online. You would’ve known what to do if you’d done just one. Prepare better next time.

[Anonymous No.]

Gonna pass N2 next year~~

[Anonymous No.]

>>20347972
2/10

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350185
I dont read enough I already know its my fault because not reading was my biggest weakness next to grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350059
>But having directions in japanese is fucking bullshit for N5/4
did you think it was a test to see how many words you memorized in anki

[Anonymous No.]

>see word while reading for the 50th time
>still forget it
>put it into anki for 5 seconds
>memorized forever

[Anonymous No.]

>forget how to read 譲る
>forget what うつらうつら means
todays epic fails

[Anonymous No.]

>be reading for 3 months
>still haven't learned katakana

[Anonymous No.]

>fluent for over a decade now
>can never remember ヌ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350241
>Multiply by 15000
>spend all day every day grinding words you never see in real life

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350276
only m*tt and his cultists are dumb enough to not delete cards they dont ever see

[Anonymous No.]

still didnt put my epic fails into anki cuz that's a waste of time even if it's 5 seconds

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350276
>being stupid enough to let this happen

[Anonymous No.]

Day 28

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350274
七 caught me slipping today, I just couldn't see it.

[Anonymous No.]

>"20% of the most common grammar and vocab accounts for 80% of all language use"
Is this true?

[Anonymous No.]

not for japanese at least

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350334
the real question is does it matter

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350334
yes

[Anonymous No.]

imagine never taking a test in japanese before

and then paying 60 bucks to take a test in japanese for the first time and bomb it epically

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350334
le pareto principle xdd

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350351
imagine knowing 37,000+ words and still missing 1 out of every 100

[Anonymous No.]

>reading an article about the expected increase in ice cream prices next year

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350334
Yes, but it isn't really helpful to know that. That 20% remaining is extremely important to being able to understand the actual point of the sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350378
Do you think the number of words for that to happen would be much lower for other languages?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350334
it actually doesnt matter because pareto also holds for something more important
https://blog.vocapouch.com/do-20-pages-of-a-book-gives-you-90-of-its-words-795a405afe70

[Anonymous No.]

What can I start reading now that I can get through NHK easy articles relatively comfortably? I've tried manga but using a text hooker is such a massive pain in the ass when looking up a lot of words. Is there anything I can read on my browser?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350402
find something you like on narou
or a vn

[Anonymous No.]

What's something good to read after Yotsuba, if I want it to be a little more advanced, but still not overwhelming?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350409
Any slice of life really.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello, I need to figure out how to replay the audio for spoken lines in FS/N Realta Nua. Do you guys have any ideas? There doesn't seem to be a way to do it inside the game. Maybe it's possible to retrigger spoken audio for the current lines with Cheat Engine or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350403
>narou
Wow this seems neat, thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350241
Same here but somehow our experience is incorrect or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350237
Honestly I'm starting to understand a lot more of why some people just don't think anki is a useful tool. Its good to use it to build up vocab but for literally everything else you absolutely need to be indulging via media or people if you have the option. Any good radios for nip I can listen in on when I'm driving?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350550
>honestly I'm starting to realize anki is useful for what it is designed to do and nothing else
Wow such a grand revelation you've had there

[Anonymous No.]

it doesnt even let you build your vocabulary dont forget that important part

[Anonymous No.]

>>20342961
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/shousetu/index.html

the kanji counts are shown by default

[Anonymous No.]

yes it does jamal

[Anonymous No.]

Am I retarded or is reading vertically hard as fuck when you've been used to horizontal forever

[Anonymous No.]

it actually doesnt
it just helps you memorize definitions that you can recall in place of knowing the word

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350550
It's a useful tool but some people take either side to the extreme. Some try to replace input with anki and that's obviously dumb. You and the people whose cocks you're sucking claim it's useless and that's stupid too, but you say it because it makes you feel enlightened.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350576
just so u know i havent really been posting much itt

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350586
it has never made a difference in the slightest in my experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350587
which is better, not remembering any meaning of a word period, or having a vaguely accurate placeholder meaning that makes the text comprehensible

this is a rhetorical question btw and i'm taking joy in shitting on this retarded post.

[Anonymous No.]

Damn, Anki is basically a litmus test for the intelligence of language learners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350589
I didn't say it was useless and also said I can sort of understand there reasoning you obviously still NEED it. But yea the extreme on one side or the other is completely true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350597
its better but is it better enough to be worth the time investment
you do you just know what you doin when you do you you know

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350586
read more manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350600
>you obviously still NEED it.
u sure bout that

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350599
Yes, but in the sense that retards ITT think people only drone anki when it's actually just a supplementary tool

[Anonymous No.]

All I did to prepare for the N3 was read Yotsuba the night before.



And study hours everyday since September 18th.

[Anonymous No.]

frankly im disappointed theres people in here that actually took non n1 tests today

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350612
Yeah that's my point.
Droning and only droning = retarded.
Saying it isn't useful = retarded.
Assuming anyone who uses does only Anki = retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

even more disappointed that you noobs didnt crush those noob tests

[Anonymous No.]

imagine having yomichan on google glass and walking around tokyo adding words to your deck irl

[Anonymous No.]

expect to see a m*tt video in a week

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350617
Gotten so used to studying I feel like doing another hour tonight, when I could be celebrating instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350586
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>>20350378
It happens in English all the time. It's just specialty vocabulary. If you watched Prince of Tennis, there's a shit load of legit Japanese words that the average starting reader won't know, so it gets explained or is understood in context.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCMW_I52nuQ
Is he the most based J-vlogger? He isn't really a J-vlogger tbqh though. Such comfy videos.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have any reading suggestions for history? Probably lower level is best ~ n4. I might go to the kids section of Kinokinuya or Book Off but maybe someone here's interested.

I guess history manga works too.

[Anonymous No.]

If you don't care about anime, VNs, or video games, why are you learning Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

why do you care faggot

[Anonymous No.]

pipe down bonklers

[Anonymous No.]

The extreme autism in these threads where faggots refuse to use the reply tool is seriously fucking cringe worthy.

>>20350696
>>20350692

[Anonymous No.]

sorry esls cant find their bearings unless the post below them quotes them

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350586
The characters are literally square's and vertical makes no difference to me in the lightest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350720
cringe

[Anonymous No.]

tategaki is no fuckin prob and is most of the time preferable anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350602
Every time this point gets brought up the conversation seems to end lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350750
cause everyone but you knows the answer is yes lol congrats on finally getting to the same page

[Anonymous No.]

what a taikutu thread

last for teh dolleh too lazy to even attach pic

[Anonymous No.]

japanese is a context dependent language. if you cant understand the thread without knowing who is replying to who without a hyperlink then you have little hope of learning japanese sorry to tell you

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350767
now you fuckin revitalized my hope in this thread

well done

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350088
Literally this. Fucking shit volume was so low I couldn't hear shit and some fucker was coughing too. I shoulda asked the teacher to raise the volume to max fuck me

[Anonymous No.]

>1 years of studying
>understand 50% of yotsuba
Why is yotsuba recommended so often when it's so hard to read? You have to like feel your way through the whole thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350797
no ones ever read it we just parrot that shit cause it seems like its good for beginners

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350797
I gave up on starting to read for an additional month because I couldn't get through understand a single page of yotsube even with the reading guide. Wasn't fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350821
youre gonna be in the exact same spot next month except you will have wasted a month not reading instead of having a months reading experience under your belt. think about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350797
>>20350821
worked for my first manga
i had skimmed tae kim and read like 20 pages of graded reader shit
i could see huge progress every day and it was highly motivating

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>>20350797
It's simple in that the themes and story don't involve complex interactions and observations like you'd see in sports or war based manga. People like simple and innocent stories with silly humor.

It's just not simple in the "just passed the N5" simple because that's no where in the target demographics for any manga. You still need to read and look up words and phrases you don't understand. It gets easier as you read more.

[Anonymous No.]

can you read this

[Anonymous No.]

seisyun is actually not beautiful

[Anonymous No.]

>>20350638
about what?

[Anonymous No.]

is wanikani the kanji black pill? ready to get that life subscription if it teaches me these damned chinese runes.

[Anonymous No.]

i can't fucking stand spoonfeeding dipshits and yet here i ago. wanikani is trash. just start a vocab deck and start reading.

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>>20350797
buddy i got some bad news for you...

[Anonymous No.]

no because srsing english translations is harmful to understanding japanese fluently. just stare at kanji longer and do more dictionary lookups and itll all make sense eventually. maybe do rtk on the side and learn how to break them apart while writing them

[Anonymous No.]

wanikani wont teach you to read this

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>>20350897
how the fuck can i read if i d ont know the kanjis. And why would i waste time just making a deck when when wankani has the languages natural order setup so you dont overwhelm your self and learn in the natural order. I was going to do remember the kanji but I like the wankani layout more and the stories are probably better.

[Anonymous No.]

am i just above average in intelligence for never being confused like the dumb fuck above me or was it luck?

[Anonymous No.]

Why cant people understand people learn at different paces better.

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>>20350934
nah dumb people exist you know we cant all be average

[Anonymous No.]

youre at such a low level that you say stupid stuff like "know the kanjis" guess what there is no such thing as knowing kanji you just look up words you dont know and eventually it sticks. look at them long enough and youll notice all the parts that make them up and youll stop confusing them. doing intensive study of the characters individually is probably a waste of your time if you arent trying to take some weird kanji test or something

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>>20350893
its just anki where you do very few cards per day and your reviews take forever
>>20350930
>how the fuck can i read if i d ont know the kanjis
dictionary innit
>wankani has the languages natural order
marketing
>>20350930
>I was going to do remember the kanji but I like the wankani layout more
enjoy and good luck when you begin learning japanese too

[Anonymous No.]

isntead of scratching your head over artifical stuff like this why not do something actually useful and productive like read a manga or a book

[Anonymous No.]

cause learning is hard and larping is fun

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>>20350943
i know what a kanji is. they teach radicals and storys wich is proven the best method for retention. i dont want to be looking up every word when I can just learn them all and get it out of the way.

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>>20350960
Manga is for manchildren.

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>>20350975
it's not proven. wanikani wont teach you all the words you need to know nor does it teach you conjugations so youre still going to have to look up every word after you start reading when you finish WK in a year or two anyways. and they certainly dont teach you all the kanji youre going to encounter in books so have fun starting from scratch once you waste all that time and money

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>>20350930
>wankani has the languages natural order setup
No it doesn't. If you read actually read Krashen (the man who originated the term natural order) you'll learn that the natural order is unknown and probably unknowable. The key is to get lots of comprehensible input, then the next thing you're ready to learn will be present. If you like wankikani and it keeps you motivated then by all means use it, but don't fool yourself about what it's doing.

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>>20350977
By a funny coincidence, so is your mom.

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>>20350977

[Anonymous No.]

reddit tbqh

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>>20350893
>life subscription
Kanji should be something you look up ad hoc (and recursively till it makes sense) with something like tagaini jisho, or, something you spend a month on getting the gist of and then just differentiating similar (mistaken) kanji as you come across them

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>>20350939
Pretty pc way of saying their slow, differently paced lol

[Anonymous No.]

I've got a lot of books that aren't in the library, but they're all jpg and png scans. If someone is able to OCR them and make epubs or something please let me know. I'd really like to get these in a more versatile format and get them in the library. I have literally hundreds of books that need to be OCR'd and added to the library.

[Anonymous No.]

can you make a list of all the book titles and a torrent?

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>>20351121
Basically, if it's an LN released within the past 10 years I for sure have it. I might make a list at some point. I want to find someone that can get these into a more usable format first before I go through all the trouble of making a list or a torrent.

[Anonymous No.]

how do you say le clam has arrived in Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

来た

[Anonymous No.]

ｷﾀ(ﾟ∀ﾟ)!

[Anonymous No.]

le clamが届きました or w/e

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>>20350797
I’m N3 and still have trouble at times reading it as my first manga.
The reason is because it’s not standard taught Japanese. There’s lots of spoken nuances which is absent in covered materials.

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>>20351199
>can't read yotsuba
>it's your first manga
>"i'm n3"
oh is that what you are?

[Anonymous No.]

most of djt is literally unironically sub n5

[Anonymous No.]

ironically sub n5 bros wwa

[Anonymous No.]

why does jdict say the -san is familiar language.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_EQDtpYSNM

Literally the best video ever. DJT faggots start getting good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351205
Oh, look. Shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351227
quit at 50 seconds when he said "unki" lmao

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>>20351237
have you read anything else or did you just study for jlpt

[Anonymous No.]

It's time for DJT's yearly N5 test.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351239
Delusional.

[Anonymous No.]

you need to be at least n1 to understand this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351239
that video is alright despite bad presentation

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351251
mad cuz bad ???

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351247
5) unky

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>>20351241
I don’t read manga. Obviously, I can figure it out through context, but like I said, it has material not covered.

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>>20351247
0 は

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seriously tho

unky???

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/Q805GsQvOrA?t=24
here this is kind of like wanikani except it doesnt cost anything or waste your time with srs

[Anonymous No.]

thats a much better vid watch that

[Anonymous No.]

Why is djt filled with so many salty jealous retards.

[Anonymous No.]

yea why are you here

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351227
nah matt shits on this guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351320
big if true

[Anonymous No.]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s1XiDGLYtzE6

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>>20351317
JUST. USE. THE FUCKING. REPLY. FEATURE.
FUCK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9XaOPgV9PI#t=17

[Anonymous No.]

*post citation apparatus

[Anonymous No.]

Stopped reading challenging stuff for a few months and then started again and I feel a huge power spike. Is reading above your level a meme?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351356
your school system failed you if this isnt a rhetorical question

[Anonymous No.]

when did the double arrows become such a necessity in daily life
remember your roots

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351356
Depends. osmosis is a real thing from just surrounding yourself in the language. Still nothing wrong with reading at your level obviously. In general just fucking read.

[Anonymous No.]

threads over everyone out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

[Anonymous No.]

No.

[Anonymous No.]

are there any epwing dictionary worth putting in yomichan. anyone have links

[Anonymous No.]

got a link right here good sir https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gkt5nT60xBA#t=249

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351421
Daijirin or another good J-J dic. That's pretty much it.

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>>20351252
iam japan and i dont get it

[Anonymous No.]

you ever wonder if gorijja ever takes a big manure poop on the fields to help out farmer

[Anonymous No.]

its time to go boys https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5msMULnoSnw#t=63

[Anonymous No.]

last

[Anonymous No.]

so much excitement for the thread to die its position hasnt changed calm down

[Anonymous No.]

saigofuckyourself

[Anonymous No.]

shush

and let the embrace of death take you

[Anonymous No.]

kiritsu

rei

now taishitsu the fuck outta my classroom so i can stare out the window and monologue

[Anonymous No.]

and then the camera zooms out to reveal that your classroom is nothing but a mere diorama and you are hanging from strings controlled by a shadowy muppeteer

[Anonymous No.]

that word is trademark copyright all rights reserved youll be hearing from my jews get ready for the gyakuten saiban

[Anonymous No.]

i rage quit that game in the first 5 mins cuz the hot chick died >_<

[Anonymous No.]

nice blog

last
b t w

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>>20349603
http://wiki.kumetan.net/index.php?%E3%81%95%E3%82%88%E3%81%AA%E3%82%89%E7%B5%B6%E6%9C%9B%E5%85%88%E7%94%9F%E5%90%84%E8%A9%B1%E3%83%AA%E3%82%B9%E3%83%88

[Anonymous No.]

Is your body ready for some Japanese?

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>>20351131
better to upload them to mega accounts instead of a torrent if you were to go down that route. it would mean they can be directly imported to a different mega and added to the site or backed up, without having to worry about seeders or downloading the torrent and reuploading everything to mega anyway. there are scans in the COR that are dated back to 2015, for example. most scans on nyaa that old are as good as dead and the only other places online with the series are direct download websites with slowass limited file hosts.
the OCR reader app for mobile handles book scans faster and easier than kanjitomo. not as good as a retail ebook rip but not that bad. i read the first volume of kino that way and it rarely ever had a problem looking up words. scans are underrated tb h

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>>20350797
Who the fuck are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20351767
Sorry I don't try to read anything I can't read the title of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20352273
but the title is in english

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃん

なんかゲームやろ

時差がぜつみょうで

アメリカのおにいちゃんと

だいたいいっしょにプレイできないのだけど

[Anonymous No.]

うっそ…w 期待してそこまで勃起しちゃうなんて…キミ面白いね〜w もしかして童貞？w

[Anonymous No.]

I started my mining deck about a week ago and am 200 cards deep with a 100% retention rate. My normal rate for my core deck was 85%. What is going on here? I thought it was because I saw the words in context but I don't remember any of that at least consciously.

[Anonymous No.]

Waywardマルチやってみたいけど

やりかたがよくわかんないんだよね

[Anonymous No.]

what's the difference between 悲しみ and　悲しさ

[Anonymous No.]

same diff as the diff between 楽しみ and 楽しさ

[Anonymous No.]

whats the difference between 逃げる and 逃れる

[Anonymous No.]

whats the difference between は and か"

[Anonymous No.]

lmao include me in the screencap

[Anonymous No.]

>>20352816
>>20353148
>>20353362
same shit
>>20353381
はis read as 'ha', and か" as 'ga'
>>20353431
sent

[Anonymous No.]

if you wanna learn japanese just breathe it in organically

[Anonymous No.]

>>20353503
you can't learn japanese without breathing manually 24/7

[Anonymous No.]

what's a good font for RTK reviews

[Anonymous No.]

LMAO LAST XD

[Anonymous No.]

manga sans

[Anonymous No.]

new thread please?

[Anonymous No.]

you can make a new thread but itll still be the same old shit

[Anonymous No.]

#deep

[Anonymous No.]

さよならスレド、
ゲイだったけど、いつもそれがゲイどうせだ

[Anonymous No.]

we were gay