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2029562 No.2029562 [Reply] [Original]

Hey sup /jp/, /a/ here. I bet you can give a real answer instead of trolling in a shitstorm.

Why are all anime characters such stereotypes? Why is character development in anime more mythical and less psychological than in western writing, and believable characters so rare? I mean, compare say the characterizations, motives and development in Full Metal Alchemist (a popular anime series), or, say, REC, to House (a popular series), or Akira to Once Upon a Time in the West.

Is this a difference of art form or culture and expression in general? Are anime characters psychologically realistic to a Japanese person, or are they going for something different entirely?

>> No.2029564

I hate this bullshit but people that like to waste time thinking over this stuff seem to like this:
http://www.hirokiazuma.com/en/texts/superflat_en1.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superflat

>> No.2029563

<- /a/ is that way

>> No.2029565

because japan is uncreative & ultimately destructive

>> No.2029571

>Why are all anime characters such stereotypes?
You're just noticing it because you watch too many anime.

>> No.2029572

Because all anime characters are actually designed by ZUN and Nasu after a night of drunken frenzy.

>> No.2029574

>>2029563
No, see, I would like a discussion of this instead of HURR DURR WAT U SAY WHERE DA LOLIS AT or YOU DON'T LIKE MY FAVORITE SERIES RRRRRRRAAAGGGEE or Please watch these 684 anime and if your opinion is not different after that I have some more you should see. So, /jp/.

>> No.2029578

It's because Japanese media is modeled after Japanese media modeled after Japanese media modeled after Japanese media modeled after Japanese media modeled after some Disney cartoons brought by US soldiers during the brief stay at Japan post-WW2. Disney cartoon characters are very well known to be more fairytale-ish than realistic.

>> No.2029581

I used to love anime. Now all the new animes I try to follow seem to me like a rehash of either Evangelion or Dragonball or your typical angry teen who was a nobody suddenly realised he's fucking Jesus and grows in power whenever they're angry.

On the other hand there are exceptions. For example, Kaiji.

>> No.2029582

>>2029562
Pfft, why don't you compare Japanese cartoon characters with American cartoon characters instead? From there you can see that they are both the same.

>> No.2029585

>House
>believable and well-developed

Both House and FMA have similar quality to their character developmen. Except that House is written on a week by week basis and they play with character relationships just to get more ratings, like with Foreman/13.

>> No.2029586

>>2029581
Or a 10 year old tiny emo kid who suddenly thinks he's badass just because he's driving a fucking huge robot, that magically NOBODY ELSE EVEN THE VETERAN SOLDIERS know how to pilot.

>> No.2029592

>>2029585
No. I have no trouble believing that most of the people in House could really exist as personalities, although without superhuman powers of medicine and wit. The same does not go for FMA, or indeed any anime series I can think of off the top of my head.

>>2029582
Because the audience is different. If western cartoons were equally popular as japanese cartoons that would be a very good point.

>> No.2029593

>>2029581
i think that's just because you matured

>> No.2029594

Well honestly I'd say moe has quite a bit to do with it. Moe stereotypes are moe stereotypes. You can only have so many tsundere and shy girls before it all seems the same. And that shit sells.

Also, eroge → anime all end up being terrible (in b4 except kyoani). I have no idea why so many shitty eroge get anime adaptions, but they do. Even the good eroge end up being stripped to a point of feeling samey. Book is never as good as the movie.

>> No.2029595

>>2029592
meant to write "If western cartoons were equally popular as japanese cartoons at anime clubs etc" but that got lost in my post postprocessing process.

>> No.2029599

>>2029593
And I'm here hoping animes would mature along with their audiences(me) like video games would. Though video games too leave much to be desired.

>> No.2029601

>>2029592
Well herf-fucking-derf. Think of House's audience. Now think of the typical otaku.
Make a -little- bit of sense?

>> No.2029603

>If western cartoons were equally popular as japanese cartoons that would be a very good point.

Yea, nobody is watching The Simpsons right now. No one in Japan, China, Thailand, Australia, UK, Canada. Not even in the US save for a few basement-dwelling nerds.

>> No.2029604

>>2029592
>The same does not go for FMA
Well herf-fucking-derf. Think of House's audience. Now think of the typical otaku.
Make a -little- bit of sense?

>> No.2029608

>>2029593
This.

>> No.2029614

>>2029592
If you're talking audiences and popularity, then House and anime are incomparable. Anime is fringe middle-of-the-night bullshit for otaku, House is prime-time for fucking everyone.

>> No.2029616

>>2029604
I don't share your optimism of the average House viewer or your assumption that FMA is targeted at the typical otaku.

>> No.2029622

>>2029581
Fuck yeah Kaiji

>> No.2029626

One of the reasons I'll never be a writer is because I have no idea wether a character is realistic or not. This happens when you have so little exposure to actual people.

>> No.2029631

>>2029594

Fucking truth.

>> No.2029632

>>2029614
Well, yeah, exactly. House appeals to normal, everyday people. Anime appeals to middle of the night otaku. Why? Because that's how the anime market is. It's what sells. It was brings in money.

Yes, the anime industry is an INDUSTRY, and whatever sells will keep on coming out. Shows are getting worse and worse, we've had this discussion and most of us can agree with each new season, less interesting shit comes around.

So why is it that anime just keeps getting more popular?

>> No.2029640

>>2029562
Reported for /a/ material on /jp/.

>> No.2029646

House, however, is a single relatively shiny diamond of common sense in a sea of terrorists, nanomachines, secret political societies, mutants that can only be fought with viruses, and aliens in spheres. A broad category in which FMA fits in rather well.

Perhaps House would be better compared to Moyashimon or a similar relatively realistic series?

>> No.2029651

>>2029640
OP here. I don't want to discuss anime but the culture that creates the anime so I really don't see how this does not belong in /jp/.

>> No.2029649

>>2029632
Kids?

>> No.2029654

>>2029640
anime is japan related.
/jp/ is for all things japanese.
according to the rules, whether you like it or not, anime is allowed here

>> No.2029657

But didn't House get worse this last season?

>> No.2029672

>>2029654
Then what's the /a/ board for? Not that I'm against this thread, as it's about the culture, anime in general doesn't belong here.

>> No.2029682

>>2029672
/a/ is for trolls and idiots

>> No.2029684

>>2029672
i agree that anime doesn't really belong here when there is /a/.
i'm just saying that it's not against the rules

>> No.2029686

>>2029672
/a/ - WE DISCUSS ANIME
/jp/ - WE DISCUSS WTH IS IT WITH JAPANESE PPL KEEP CHURNING OUT ONE DIMENSIONAL CHARACTERS IN ANIME

>> No.2029688

>>2029646
What about say... the OC, Breaking Bad, West Wing, Sex and the City, the Shield, Law and Order, ...any very popular series? Series with supernatural elements are rarely very popular and don't really represent what people watch on TV, while I chose FMA because it represents a popular and "average" anime.

>> No.2029692
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2029692

The good Herr Doktor Haus has got to be seeing microbes.

>> No.2029702

>>2029657
House has been shit ever since the new team came in. I hate that "smoke weed 420" faggot on the team from Harry and Kumar. If House was true to his character he would've broken a chair over that kid a long time ago.

Also, anime is shit. Go watch Seinfeld if you want believable characters, not goddamn high school dramas like Toradora you dipshit. They're meant to appeal to the lowest common denominator by using stereotypes to draw in kids that haven't noticed the stereotypes yet.

I'm tired of you anime experts from /a/ shitting up this board with dumb questions with obvious answers trying to gt some sort of deep discussion out of it. Reported.

>> No.2029717

>>2029702
Seinfeld is god tier alright

>> No.2029719
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>>2029702

>> No.2029726

FMA has fucking brilliant character developement for a kid's TV series. It was written to entertain children (it's in Shonen jump or some shit) but it also draws in complex questions about morality, depicting several subtle points of view as well as the harsh reality that doing the right thing doesn't make things any easier, it just means you can face yourself.

House is aimed at adults, and is a triumph of modern television. Compare it to 90% of shit not aired on HBO and you get quite a depressing picture.

In addition, actors are real humans, as opposed to drawings that are, by their very nature, symbolic. There will always be an unintentional subtlety to the performance of on actor, they will always seem more believable, because they are real. If you look at an episode of Friends or scrubs or any other sit com, on the quality of writing alone you will find it to be little better than the worst anime.

>> No.2029738

>>2029688

OC versus Toradora

I'm not sure what to hate more.

>> No.2029742

i like lucky star & love hina.
they are my two favourite cartoons.
i haven't noticed any transparent characters yet, maybe i just picked more original cartoons to watch

>> No.2029745

>>2029702
Your post in short:
>House is shit
>Anime is shit
>I'm tired of you anime experts from /a/ shitting up this board

It's you who are shitting up this board. If any good explanation is obvious just give it to me and we'll call it a thread.

Don't give me that lowest common denominator crap. Anime is supposed to be a popular form of entertainment with a lot of variety both in series and in viewers. How come I never see any characters like that? I mean, there are all kinds of cartoons, very serious ones too esp. movies, but that doesn't seem to be true for anime.

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>>2029726
>FMA
>it also draws in complex questions about morality, depicting several subtle points of view as well as the harsh reality that doing the right thing doesn't make things any easier, it just means you can face yourself.

>> No.2029756

>>2029745
Wait, people still do animation outside of Japan? News to me.

>> No.2029762

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/7784366.stm
Is Western television more realistic or are our media overlords just very good liars?

>> No.2029763

>>2029756
Sure. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0808417/

>> No.2029770

>>2029688

Sex and the City is an extremely mythical show if ever there was one. It casts itself as slice of life with career women, but essentially it's Greek/Roman gods in a modern setting.

>> No.2029772

>>2029742
>lucky star
>love hina
>cartoons

>> No.2029780
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2029780

Taimanin Asagi

>> No.2029777

Maybe you should stop watching shit.

>> No.2029800

>>2029772
sorry for not being pretentious.
next time i'll be sure to say "LOL, ALL POPULAR ANIME SUX0RZ" instead.

>> No.2029802

OP here. Why all the hate and focus on single series that are shitty? That's not very contributive. If you think I am wrong, can you provide me with either a counterexample of an anime with psychologically believable characters to a person that is product of a western culture (this is per my assumption in the OP that it is the culture, not that I necessarily believe that there is a fundamental difference), or explain to me how I have mischaracterized the genre and have unrealistic expectations?

>> No.2029813

>>2029802
Monster.

Now go back to /a/.

>> No.2029815

>>2029800
>LOVE !KOREAEpEzg

>> No.2029816

>>2029802
Evangelion.
Now delete the thread, this is not /jp/ related, unless you want a ban.

>> No.2029832

>>2029813
Never said I would do that. I still want to discuss. Thanks though.

>>2029816
>Evangelion
No way in hell.
Also, this belongs in /jp/, so I won't get banned. Report me if you feel different, I have full confidence in this and you are not the first person to say that ITT (despite how it's not supposed to be an anime discussion at all).

>> No.2029834

>>2029802 If you think I am wrong, can you provide me with either a counterexample of an anime with psychologically believable characters to a person that is product of a western culture
Another proof that they don't even watch anime anymore on /a/.

>> No.2029841

Gyakkyou Burai Kaiji: Ultimate Survivor

>> No.2029842

Grave of the Fireflies

>> No.2029843

>>2029832
>I still want to discuss.

Too bad, a janitor should be deleting this thread any minute now.

>> No.2029852

>>2029843
Okay. Sure. Now stop telling me that and let me get my ban.

>> No.2029854

>>2029841
Fuck yeah

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