DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #2028

[Anonymous No.]

Guide & resources:
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/
https://djtguide.neocities.org/ (legacy)

How to learn Japanese TL;DR - Learn kana with DJT Kana (+writing if you want), read Tae Kim's grammar guide, then start reading and listening to compelling content intended for adult native speakers for several hours each day.
Last thread: >>20065304

[Anonymous No.]

reading makes it a lot easier for to remember certain words in vncore so although i'm only like 200 words in i might abandon it and start mining.

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>>20072012
>vncore
stop it

[Anonymous No.]

The hardest thing for me when reading aloud is the fact that I simply don't read fast enough to read fluidly. Same thing when text shows up in anime where I have to pause to be able to read it all. What can I do? Is it really just about reading more?

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>>20068972
It's tough in the beginning because you have all these new kanji. I started with Core6k and went at 20 cards a day throughout, and I remember when my rep stack first started growing big before my knowledge had caught up. Lots of doubt back then. I'm at 33k cards now with what's basically customized Core10k deck + 23k mined cards. Now I just go at 10 new cards a day while prioritizing and repositioning vocab that keeps popping up. Things do get easier.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072026
yawn

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

guten morgen mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072033
halt die fresse jamal

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072017
read more

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20072062
leck mich am arsch arschkriecher

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Nh0wvQGYk
Reminder that Japanese is an incomplete language.

[Anonymous No.]

why are おつむ and おむつ so similar

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

both are full of shit

that was a alley oop wasnt it

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>>20072126
It's the same for every language that lives in close proximity to other languages. English people don't notice because they're usually the one's that people borrow words from but sometimes it's the other way around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072012
Exactly. Do VNcore on days when you read and watching. The cross reinforcement will accelerate your learning. Best decision I made. I just finished vncore and it was so easy and the value was priceless. Such a small but effective deck.

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>>20072138
>VNcore
Where do I find this

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>>20072152
https://mega.nz/#!iIk0BKbY!3VAygAPWyxoD1oZmyIe8m_lNNBnuz9YkjHDl_dEho_A

(it's in the OP's guide posted)

[Anonymous No.]

have some reality bomb

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072213
面白いご冗談じゃんw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072133
>posting my fetish

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20072213
why did you censor mijos nick homeboy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072244
I don't want any djt basedboys clinging to my 専用 tutor.

[Anonymous No.]

woah is this a secret club

[Anonymous No.]

エロゲの秋

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20072259
well depending on who u ask ラノベ is also not 読書 so i guess the only thing left is anime : )

[Anonymous No.]

地下への階段を見つけ

is the の acting as が here?

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>>20072323
地下へ becomes the attribute for 階段,
toward undergroundのstairway
地下へ.の.階段.を.見つけ -> Locate the stairway to the underground

[Anonymous No.]

here's a grammar point that doesn't exist in english: shika and dake

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072394
Only a one cig, LOSER

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20072402

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072394
>rasta asf
>but never smoked weed b4

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

they get weed dude rappers be gettin life sentences for spliffs it happened to uzi

[Anonymous No.]

Pretty amazing how Jamal managed to make /djt/ even worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20070270
>>20070270
>>20070270
If you're out there anon, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

Here's a sketch of a kanji deck I'm planning (let's pretend that 生 is a 食).

In "Production", the goal is to write the kanji from memory, no secret.
In "Recalling", the goal is to recall the kanji and its readings.

Both "Recalling 1" and "Recalling 2" have problems, though:

R1 - Simply saying "there are X readings, list them all" is not a very good method. If I can recall 19/20 readings of 生, failing a card would be frustrating, and scavenging my brain for all readings will probably slowly kill me, besides probably not reflecting a complete list of readings.

R2 - I feel like other kanji and okurigana give away the answer too easily, making my brain not focus on the kanji being reviewed. For instance, most people here would struggle to tell what kanji 薇 is, but upon seeing the word 薔薇, the reading becomes pretty obvious.

I have almost 4000 kanji and 15k+ cards in my vocab deck, so I'm not a beginner. My goal is to learn to write by hand and also fill the gaps in kanji readings/meanings I'm unfamiliar with.

Any opinions are welcome.

[Anonymous No.]

Reddit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072152
other guy accidentally linked the wrong deck
https://mega.nz/#!qvQVSaQb!b_z6_XPxxKQqAtf_Y4hbq98nmOFaWlgYmhifzd4m8tU

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072213
5 digit opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>towels in the bathtub

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20072520
would you like an autograph perhaps on your computer mouse pad

[Anonymous No.]

Can somebody track the name of this song? It has got to be in the comments or description or something. Thanks!
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm33977401

[Anonymous No.]

ajatt and matt
nuke and memrise
bless god

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

[Anonymous No.]

How do you use Locale emulator for 7zip? The prompt just doesn't show up for me

[Anonymous No.]

I'm getting so bored of doing anki. I think I'm going to stop using it and just read/listen more.

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[Anonymous No.]

>>20072712
Anki is reading. If you can't imagine scenarios and stories with your cards you can always read manga but your learning will suffer.

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>>20072712
I'm getting bored of keeping up with RTK reviews but vocab decks? That's so easy and painless I can't imagine that becoming much of a hassle. 20 minutes every day at most.

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>>20073109
>20 minutes every day at most.
I've spent anywhere from 60-90 mins a day the last few days on my vocab deck.

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>>20073109
I just reviewed rtk until every card was mature, then deleted the deck. My kanji skills haven't gone down since then (~5 months ago), but I never learned how to write them, so....

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>>20073123
You did an entire rtk deck to maturity without ever learning how to write any kanji? Is this the power or nukemarine?

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>>20073120
Those are rookie numbers. I do at least 4 hours a day. While listening to audio and constantly taking notes and looking things up. I give myself 5 day breaks of no new cards about every 3 weeks.

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>>20073136
You don't need to learn to write for a while imo. I learned to write about 500 kanji and have yet to imagine it being useful.

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>>20073139
Nice! Long do you think it will be before you start learning Japanese?

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>>20073120
My reviews take an hour +- 3 minutes every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072394
土蜘蛛

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073136
Lazy kanji of course

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073139
>Those are rookie numbers
I know.
My point was that I just don't enjoy it and I'm having trouble keeping my concentration up while doing it. I think it's better to spend that time on something I enjoy, like watching anime or reading a VN.

[Anonymous No.]

is there any reason to upgrade from anki 2.0 to 2.1?

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>>20073149
Since I was 4 y.o.o and living there. Keep "reading" manga. I'll keep doing my reps and listening/viewing and we'll see who gets there first. I mean results are my focus, I don't need stories and cartoons to inspire me to learn.

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>>20073177
Thats what i did. Not enough hours in the day for anki and reading and anime so i stopped doing the one that i enjoyed the least. My vocab probably isn't gonna be good for a few years but it's that or burn out and die.

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>>20073182
From what everybody has been saying on here no.

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>>20073172
So you're doing the updated MIA thing?

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>>20073185
>results are my focus
Keep me updated on when you give up

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

whos gonna learn nihongo first you or this guy

[Anonymous No.]

Are we allowed to talk about MAL here? If so add me: cle5
I want to make sure you are eating your daily dose of 兄目

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073202
I have zen like patience and infinite willpower my man. Don't hold your breath.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073207
probably him since I have a job

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>>20073193
Yeah pretty much exactly except I started before Matt came up with it out of pure laziness

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073207
Probably me because I started earlier than him and got RTK done in one go no 二度手間 (四度？）for me

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20073215
join date Sep 20, 2017
less than 50 animes watched
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nah dude gomen

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>>20073233
That's still a fair bit of immersion, right （悲）

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>>20073233
hey dude, not that guy, just wanted to say that your post on this website made you look like a big fag.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20073243
that was the one huh

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再び
and
又
when do I use each?

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>>20073259
再び is more dramatic / less casual. Sort of the nuance of going back to the same state or something, while また is more like *doing* the same thing

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>>20073271
thanks

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>>20073207
probably him. i'm reading 1-2 hours a day and active listening 2 hours a day, but he's sentence mining. and you guys criticize sentence mining but i'll find it hilarious when he learns japanese faster than me and your "read more" meme is disproven.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

reading more is like incredibly good after you watched 10000 hours of eng subbed anime

before then ┐(‘～` )┌

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>>20073307
I thought everybody was sentence mining? I just copy and paste sentences all of the time since I started. I have over 100 pages I"m going to turn into an anki deck and farm over xmas break.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20073338
youre gonna reap what you sow dude

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>>20073338
>I have over 100 pages I"m going to turn into an anki deck and farm over xmas break.
How much time is that going to take you and do you enjoy doing it?

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>>20073350
I'm not going to memorize the sentences just get to where I can read and understand them all quickly

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>>20073355
Yea I enjoy it. I like working with the words and movig them around and stuff. You can make decks pretty quickly too so maybe like 4 hours. I'll put them in there as is and update and suspend as needed as I go through them.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>Yea I enjoy it. I like working with the words and movig them around and stuff.

this is good do more of this

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>>20073207
I feel like rubbing his head will grant me some kind of power

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>>20072007
Hey /int/ mouthbreather
don't make a new thread until the old one is dead, got it you piece of shit? god you are retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073530
imagine caring enough.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm hoping for n4 within the next year. Can it be done, bros? Pic relatz is my study setup

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073562
Sorry bro, you are missing Minna no Nihongo and Marugoto.
You can do it in maybe two years tho

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>>20073562
>hiragana & katana book
Did you pay for that shit?

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>>20073588
that's calvin's shit bro. catch up on your ecelebs.

[Anonymous No.]

Raw anime has a completely different feeling than subbed anime because I am able to concentrate on the visuals for once. I am glad I learned Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073562
>JFZ
god i fucking hate this book and I don't know why. something about their adaptive learning bullshit and anime girl cover pisses me off.

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>>20073207
He'll have only just finished RTK in 5 months' time so...

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>>20073562
I got most of those too. Just do genki but breeze through it, dont burn out on it. You really do want to try to immerse as much as possible and those books are external to japanese. All you really need is Anki and the internet. Stream and torrent all day while doing vocab and whatnot as a suplement. Get tae kim online for free (and theres a anki deck for it) and do grammar (that's where I'm suffering the most). N4 in a year is possible if you have no life except study like me. I could possibly pass N3 and that's in 7 months.

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I've never looked inside a genki book before. Is this really from genki 2? I've often heard the book is advanced けど

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Guys, b-begginer here and I have a silly question: Do you always read the hiragana combinations as they are?, for example みゃ, it's pronunciation is mya, but could there be times where you say it as mi ya or miya?, like each hiragana being separated?

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>>20073640
>N4 in a year is possible if you have no life except study like me
is this bait or

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073603
>tfw you're now forced to look at the lazy animation

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20073652
theres a reason why the ゃ is little

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>

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>>20073652
>but could there be times where you say it as mi ya or miya
No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073652
little kana like ゃ effect other kana and aren't read by themselves while a big や is normal as in 'ya'.

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>>20073648
>no romanji
>can barely read any of this

I'm not gonna make it bros...

[Anonymous No.]

what did he mean by this?

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>>20073640
dude there are people who have gotten n1 in a year

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073663
Truly a curse

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>>20073648
step 1. take sharpy and get rid of the furigana

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>>20073687
It's pretty obvious. Natives learn from hearing the language, that's why they have perfect accents

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>>20073691
Hmm I mean maybe studying just for that test it's possible. I took a few N1 practice tests and it's pretty fucking hard m8

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>>20073648
finish genki 2 prepare you for N4, finishing tobira put you at N3 level and paves the way to N2 level(all that is left is vocab and gimmicky gramamr).

Genki is by no means advanced, and taking 2 years for some universities to finish it is a joke, if I'm generous and give each chapters a week 6-7 months is more than enough for both books.

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>>20073687
That you can permanently screw up your accent. Something that completely goes against ALL fundamental aspects of the AJATT methodと個人的に思います

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>>20073686
Tell us how what you have done to learn Japanese so far

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>>20073703
Can you please stop with the r*ddit posts? No one cares.

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>>20073687
I've been saying this here for the past 4 months. If you are reading you are just talking in your head. You shouldn't even say a word till you've ran it through yomichan at least.

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>>20073711
4 hours per day genki

[Anonymous No.]

I use yomichan's audio excessively to the point it's probably a hindrance, so my reading time isn't hurting my accent at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073711
I'm still increasing my daily meditation. I'm at 30 minutes now, and if I keep increasing by 10 minutes per week I should be in a good spot by early next month just in time to start RTK over Christmas break

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073715
t. brainlet who subvocalizes while reading

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>>20073703
>6-7 months
I got to mid N2 in about that time exactly following Matt's videos

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073716
Perfect start. You can learn hiragana and katakana in a week. Just immerse with the rest of your time and might want to start a little anki like 10 cards per day nothing rigorious. Also sentence mine about 1 sentence everyday and slowly increase the intervals of this over time.

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>>20073724
t. NPC

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>>20073725
are you the monolingual guy

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>>20073719
Ye but u rnt readn

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>>20073669
>>20073679
>>20073683

ありがとうございます !

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>>20073731
Maybe? I have posted here about going monolingual before. Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073733
どういたしまして、がんばって！

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073735
just wondering, don't ask me questions

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073725
What did you actually do? Matt gives a lot of different advice lately

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073725
Before or after he said to practice speech before reading? Because I have the feeling you'll be one of those N1's who can't talk or listen at all. It's correctable but it's going to be a while till you don't sound retarded when trying to conversate.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFY6decNB8M

>your japanese level after 3 years of french university

staying inside and watching anime all day was the winning move

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073770
ajatt has always recommended near 24/7 Japanese audio listening so I don't see how he won't be able to listen

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>>20073770
How do you beome an N1 who can't listen? Listening is on the test.

If you mean street nihongo and not anime or 外人向け shit then this is easily fixed by supplementing your 10000 hours of anime with 10000 hours of japanese youtube videos

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>>20073759
Followed his main guide video doing Nihongo shark kanji (basically the MIA version of kanji in a premade deck) and I didn't do the meditation meme either. Rushed through Tae kim, added a lot of i+2 cards, went monolingual at 1500 cards not 2000

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20073780
died in the first second rip me

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>>20073785
Huh, that's basically what I was doing until I burned out. Good work. What was mining like in the beginning?

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>>20073770
I've listened quite a lot and can understand most from stuff like ひいきびいき if I concentrate. I can not talk very good at all though, but I imagine that will come when as my listening gets better

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>>20073792
Much more fun than RTK, but really hard to find sentences you can learn. It gets a lot easier at ~3000 cards if you ask me

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>>20073806
That's funny, I enjoyed RTK and burned out on anime because viewing anime as homework made me hate it and question my reason for learning Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

thanks for the inspiration bro's, gettng back to studying

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20073808
now thats some terminal brain aids

[Anonymous No.]

https://vocaroo.com/i/s00H1mTUvk2e
Matt disciple here. Judge me. Actually the first time I've ever spoken other than reading aloud

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>>20073842
How long since you started sentence mining?

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>>20073842
>僕
あなたもゲイですか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073799
isn't it a bit generous to consider that mid N2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073849
185 days ago

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20073842
i mean you said yourself first time ever

not much to judge its your first time ever

get on that facetime shit with some honies dude and get your mack on

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073856
For reading and listening I meant (苦笑). besides JLPT doesn't even test output in any way

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>>20073842
you pull off cute gaijin who stutters and uses 僕 and lots of カタカナ words

pls learn pitch accent though i can't keep it up when i hear け↑いたい and レ↑コーダー

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073870
>learn pitch accent
how? i don't even know how to start

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073893
look up dogen's pitch accent playlist

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>>20073893
the dogster has a whole patreon about it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jakXVEUTT48&list=PL78L-9twndz8fMRU3NpiWSmB5IucqWuTF

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>>20073898
Isn't there an Anki deck with all the rules instead or something? Also: how much of the pitch system is regular anyway?

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>>20073906
wait for yogapants' sick video player that will have a hover dictionary for subtitles and will include pitch accent for each word

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>>20073906
it's somewhat systematic, but the systematic parts aren't really worth an anki deck and the rest is just learning every single word which there are already anki decks for

just look at a couple of the dogster's videos, it's like tae kim for intonation

then you can keep watching anime or youtube or w/e and learn prosody and pitch from actual japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073906
>>20073917
oh and rikairebuilt includes pitch accent number (look it up to see which pitch each number represents) next to each word.

[Anonymous No.]

it's surreal going back and seeing screenshots of my desktop with the RTK pdf open. i can't believe i finished that grueling and pointless book.

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>>20073922
>it's somewhat systematic, but the systematic parts aren't really worth an anki deck and the rest is just learning every single word which there are already anki decks for
What do you exactly mean by this? Also I'm not going to watch dogen

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>>20073941
like verbs and i-adjectives have pitch patterns for their conjugations

if you're not a totally pitch deaf gaijin you probably already somewhat know that you say つよ↑い but when you put it in the 連用形 the pronunciation can change to つ↑よく

these "rules" aren't universal by any means though so you really just have to train your ears to pay attention to how japanese people say words

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>>20073687
I wonder where he came up with this from. Based on everything else he says he probably has a sample size of less than 2 and it is fueled by his anxiety developed from using a shitty learning method.

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>>20073984
he claims he has a sample of like 15 friends that he can tell stuff like this from

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073715
Everything I read is narrated to me by anime characters, so I don't have this problem.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20073984
dude you just gotta stop and think about the actual logic

[Anonymous No.]

i too have a pet kamiya hiroshi in my head

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073984
i thought about it some and i feel like this might actually be a thing if you're dealing with retards who had literally never heard a word of japanese before trying to learn the language and decided to learn the language because ???

for people of the 4chan variety who had been watched subbed anime since they were 14 or fucking whatever it's just a complete fucking non-issue

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>>20073967
>つよ↑い but when you put it in the 連用形 the pronunciation can change to つ↑よく
I never thought about it but I knew this from listening. Is this proof that enough listening will teach you pitch accent eventually?

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>>20074042
no because a lot of people still sound like complete ass after listening a lot. nice try though.

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>>20074042
u have to think real good about it or you won't learn anything, just like those g/a/ijin whove watched six thousand episodes of subbed cartoons and the extent of what they understand is moshi moshi and tsubasa=bird

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074042
listening and the practice of physically saying it in a meaningful context where its necessary will do the job

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074042
it will if you pay attention and/or copy enough japanese speech

i suggest repeating japanese lines to yourself in your head after you hear them

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074062
>subbed
>tsubasa=bird
see
>>20074065
i will do this, sounds like good advice

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074065
bonus: if you have a galaxy brain, listening to kansai characters talk will help you internalize why they sound "wrong" and reinforce the standard pronunciation while also helping you gain a deeper appreciation for japanese regional dialects

totemo osusume dess (obviously nobody do this until you have a decent grasp of standard japanese)

[Anonymous No.]

>claims to speaks perfect japanese
>never actually speaks japanese on video
>becomes language learning guru
>doesn't actually learn ANY other languages with his incredible method
>repeatedly fails at learning chinese
>lets slip on a video that he's very good at making people think his japanese level is better than it actually is

i can't take matt seriously

i agree with most of the stuff he says but it's not like it's anything that kaufman hasn't said before

[Anonymous No.]

せやな

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>>20074062
Is that a reference to a specific post?

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>>20074088
>claims to speaks perfect japanese
no he doesn't. he even said he cringed at his introduction video from a couple years back because he hadn't studied pitch accent at all back then. stop lying dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074103
hi matt

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>>20074103
deciding to take someone who doesn't know pitch accent as an authority on pitch accent is like deciding to study for the bar watching youtube videos by a 5x bar exam ronin instead of using actual study materials

in no other topic in the entire world do people consider using someone who doesn't actually know what he's teaching as a valuable source of knowledge

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074088
so fuckin dont and watch some good ass anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074103
Even then
>learns pitch accent long after getting fluent
>posts >>20073687
At least that gives me hope I can do pitch accent later wwww

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074090
そやな

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>>20074113
>deciding to take someone who doesn't know pitch accent as an authority on pitch accent
2 years ago
>>20074115
he said you can learn pitch accent at any time but it's just much harder for someone like him because his model of how the language sounded had to be rebuilt

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>>20074124
did matt watch anime before deciding he'd learn japanese and/or start selling snake oil

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074124
>much harder for someone like him
It's not like he has tried both ways and compared them is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074120
それな

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>>20074136
he liked toradora a lot before he started learning

[Anonymous No.]

Man this next video Matt and I are making is gonna be the most autistic dive into Anki's behavior and fine tuning it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074155
i just literally don't think that anyone with even semi-regular exposure to japanese audio content would fall into the "oh no i must forget everything i know about japanese and relearn it the marine corps way" trap.

and no, i'm not 10000 anime hours guy, but in that respect he has a point. it doesn't even have to be "active" listening where you attempt to understand the whole thing. literally just having it there will prevent you from sounding like the stereotypical turbogaijin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074165
he's not talking about people who aim for "not sounding like complete trash". he's talking about being indistinguishable from a native.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074148
わかる

[Anonymous No.]

Matt autistically studied Japanese full-time for years and unsurprisingly got good, and then started giving advice that essentially boils down to "be as autistic as me".

It works but it doesn't really make him an authority on language acquisition. Don't believe his lies.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

he didnt get good he got good at seeming like hes good but as soon as you put him in an uncomfortable situation its over

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074171
>he's talking about being indistinguishable from a native.
matt telling you how to be "indistinguishable from a native" is like a university junior telling you the right way to win a fields a medal or having a 3L lecture on how to litigate cases in front of the supreme court

if you don't know a thing, you can't teach it. even if you DO know a thing you often can't teach it. in order to teach something correctly you must not only able to do it fluently but understand it inside and out. this is true in literally every subject and why people decide to throw out literally all common sense when it comes to learning japanese and instead treat it like a mystical bullshit puzzle game is beyond me.

or rather, it's not beyond me: it's textbook "japanese teachers hate him!" snake oil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074195
>if you don't know a thing, you can't teach it
not true. nukemarine doesn't know japanese but he tells you how to reach fluency by telling you to get lots of input. don't make absolute statements like this. it is stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074195
He himself says that he isn't there yet. He just has confidence that the AJATT/MIA method got him pretty far and might one day get him there completely.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

its funny yall now sayin dont be so hard on him he said hes not the best yet hes far from actually open and honest with his viewer base and wont even talk to them unless they pay him

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074206
pretty much fucking anything can get you to fluency if you do enough of it, even ankidroning for infinity years, as long as you EVENTUALLY move onto practicing the actual language with some sort of feedback. these people are all fucking students, if they happen to be right about something it's not because they're bona-fide fucking experts, it's because they happen to be right.

now, am i a bona-fide fucking expert? no. but there's no reason prima facie to trust me any less than literally anyone else who isn't an objectively certified nihongo master.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074216
>yet hes far from actually open and honest with his viewer base
he's said all of this stuff publicly. and he responds to a lot of people but there's only so much time you can invest responding to the same old dumb questions from beginners. i think you correctly recognize that matt is kind of an autistic little shit, but you use that as an excuse to shit on him for stuff that isn't even bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074195
>japanese teachers hate him!
Sounds like djt.

[Anonymous No.]

honestly no need to bring japanese teachers into the equation at all, if there's one good thing you can say about matt's missing in action curriculum it's that it trumps college classes pretty easily

you can't even get native input out of the ancient gaijin hunters teaching english in the states, they just speak english and make you do genki exercises with the pothead sitting next to you

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand why people give matt money or how matt can produce so many videos. There is only so much to talk about such an easy and intuitive thing that is learning japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074262
"better than college courses" is quite possibly the lowest bar ever invented

i'm pretty sure translating anime OP/EDs with google translate will get you farther than college classes as long as literally any grammar reference and dictionary is involved in some way

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074262
>teaching english

meant teaching japanese >.<

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074228
nah if you make a shit product you deserve to get booed and heckled thats how it goes

any good information hes parroted is basically useless because neither he (admittedly in some cases) nor his viewer base thus far that ive been exposed to has been able to apply it in a useful way to achieve measurable and demonstrable (good) results

pretty much period

you dont hire a teacher to train you to learn an instrument they cant play at a journeyman kind of level

fuck him bring me success stories or lets throw more tomatoes

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074269
you can think of whatever the fuck matt is selling like one of those fitness fad programs

Q: will it get you fit if you do what he says?
A: yes
Q: is it appreciably better than other fitness methods?
A: no evidence either way
Q: so why do people do it?
A: people want to believe that they've found a holy grail that unlocks the key to victory

at the end of the day, whether someone gets fit or not is primarily a function of whether they bothered to put in the fucking work of going to gym day after day, and not what program they subscribed to along the way. if having a program helps you with your motivation, great! but the work is still what matters.

as long as you are practicing in ANY meaningful way (ie, doing anything in which there is meaningful feedback, corrections, and improvement) you will eventually improve at the aspect of the language you are practicing. if you put in the work, you will go the distance, unless your practice is SO IMMENSELY FLAWED that it actively reinforces incorrect behavior and you learn literally nothing from it. very few people are actually in this hole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074290
>fuck him bring me success stories
calvin

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074290
90% of his channel's history has been "just do ajatt as described on the website". There are already multiple success stories you twatt

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074270
I mean they are not comparable. AJATT is a supremely inefficient method that burns all your time and gives the same results any semi series learner would get. While classes does not teach you japanese, it at least does not take up your time, gives you an easy a for an ellective and helps you meet friends. ( I have never done ether but I have met people who have done both.)

classes > AJATT

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074303
>making friends with people who take japanese in college

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074299
survivorship bias means that the only thing individual success stories are evidence of is that matt's teaching method is not so fucking atrocious that it renders you literally incapable of learning japanese.

it's like the "i ate subway and lost 150 pounds" shit, it's not actually proof that subway makes you fit. it means that among the N thousand people who tried subway, one of them successfully used it at a weight loss strategy, of which dozens of other equally valid weight loss strategies exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074303
but ben reached n1 in 2 years dude

[Anonymous No.]

who the fuck is ben

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074310
problem with your analogy is that not very many people try ajatt relative to other learning methods, so when there is a sizable portion of ajatters who learned japanese pretty well it's indicative the method works

[Anonymous No.]

asian ben that got n1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFgrqtvfwEQ

white redhead ben who likes eroge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpCTZQFJcjc

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074297
calvins gonna be a success story someday for sure

>>20074310
but of the n dozens of peeps doing matts shitter ajatt that he obsoletes parts of after people were already doing them are all not going to learn japanese

100% fail rate

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074311
Kauffman worked in japanese after just a year. I can enjoy light novels and raw anime and I have been studying for like 3 hours a day for a little over a year. (I do not care about anything besides anime/lns)

>>20074307
Beats meeting friends in electrical engineering classes who just talk about classes and how hard they are (they are not).

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074311
was he a full-time japanese student or did he have a day job

>>20074315
how many patreon subs does he have
how many fluent ajatters can you name
is it even 10%?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074329
>Kauffman worked in japanese after just a year.
doesn't mean he could pass n1. moreover steve knew mandarin which helped.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074322
im pretty sure the only person matt posted on his channel that didnt suck at japanese was that cuck fuck perma sad brain with societal aids

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074331
>is it even 10%?
don't know, but it could be 0.01%. doesn't matter since the number of fluent learners using traditional methods would be like 0.00001%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074322
fuck me white ben who likes eroge cracks me up every time

what a ridiculous person

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074341
>doesn't matter since the number of fluent learners using traditional methods would be like 0.00001%.
well when your argument relies on 100% bullshit statistics you pulled completely out of your ass i guess it's going to pretty difficult for anyone to successfully refute it

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074343
the 3 hour vid guy dude if you could see what piss smelled like it would be his appearance i cant watch his vid even for 10 secs w.o gagging because i feel like im smelling piss id rather watch one of nuke chans lets read vids where he mouses over text with the hooker in silence

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074343
i've noticed matt's community (or maybe ajatt community in general) is so autistic that they're all openly a bunch of weirdos and they don't seem phased by it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074310
great analogy, as the only way to lose weight is to eat less calories then you burn, subway eaters just happened to do that and lost weight, nothing to do with subway. Just like how the only way to learn a language is to consume lots of comprehensible and compelling input, ajatters who succeeded just happened to do that along with ajatt. No wonder all ajatters are so ugly.

[Anonymous No.]

Mattposters gtfo pls -_-

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

matthematics

[Anonymous No.]

I have switched to the webextension version of Rikaichan.
Shift doesn't work to cycle through dictionaries anymore.
What am I missing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074356
like i'm going to let them sour matt's honor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074371
when your "defense" of matt's honor depends on statements like "the number of fluent learners using traditional methods would be like 0.00001%" it only serves to make him look more retarded than he already does

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074374
actually i bet the vast majority of djt agrees with me on that fact, but they would disagree with the framing.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074371
ok draw your katana and save it from the man himself

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074383
the fuck. as in he's going back to a school in japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074359
Hey jamal. How long have been studying and how good are you. also got any good anime recs, in terms of pre 00 go I have seen

evangelion
yuu yuu hakusho
sailor moon
urusei yatsura

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074383
Honestly I kinda want to join his patreon to see the retrain that is his life.

but then I don't want to fuel his delusions of grandeur. Anyone reposted his patreon vids?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074391
hey dude

im just all right i aint studied since i was in grammar school theres a couple of peeps that show up in these threads that are familiar w. all kinda shit im not

anime recs? fuck yea i got em

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDrvhdwkpVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTOZhZSr6RY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iflsELvgrfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iH2_WcEGso

all extremely ftw

[Anonymous No.]

今は、妹の尿まみれです
甘〜い

[Anonymous No.]

What's the word I will never encounter and never have to use?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074418
嫁

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074418
ワギナ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074412
こんなクソヘンタイ兄貴を持つ妹は可哀想

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074426
はい、とても可愛そうです

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074412
甘い尿は病気の症状かもしれんぞ

病院連れてってやれ

[Anonymous No.]

how the FUCK do you learn Japanese? This thread raises more questions than it answers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074459
>>20073677

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074459
>>20066390

[Anonymous No.]

Does this mean the real aim is actually 7500 sentences? Has anyone here gotten that far with sentence mining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074456
いえ。ただの可愛い妹の症状です
可愛い妹が甘い尿を持つことは普通で
大丈夫です

[Anonymous No.]

I decided to implore the ajatt strategy of lying about time spent with the language. Even though I decided to start 14 months ago, I spent the first 8 months doing gay shit like duolingo and taking reddit advice. So I have only been studying for 6 months, which means I am incredible at Japanese for how long I have been studying. My method is objectively the best as after only 6 months I am way better then those ajatt fags at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074459
go to /int/DJT for questions

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074507
britvsjapan, the two bens, nick, etc.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074507
why mine when you can just read manga

[Anonymous No.]

Why is stuff like wanikani bad? Is it just because it costs money? To clarify I'm completly ignorant on the subject. I'm basically a fresh learner as in I just finished memorizing the kana and I'm reading through Japanese the mang way at the moment so my journey is just starting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074551
It is bad in the same way everything you think is good for the next 6 months is also bad. It is beginner bait that wastes your time. Studying japanese is a horrible waste of time, just watch raw anime and read compelling content and you will make it in 3000 hours of pleasure (number came out of my ass)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074549
why not both?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074564
cause if youre in the tard mines youre not reading manga ftw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074567
you're not really convincing when you just resort to name calling

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074589
do u want to mine? think abt it and then follow ur heart

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074459
Pretend you are a living creature and you want to consume this information like food. Then eat everything you can. Find the biggest pieces you can fit in your mouth any way you can and just consume. Become a glutten. Nom nom nom your way to fluency. Yw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074551
Name one person that's reached fluency from using it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074606
Me bitch!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

Will watching videos like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zha2IPQ9EWE really make me fluent

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074606
I think wanikani is shit too but dogen used it. Here for a real question, name one person who succeeded without reading the haruhi ln series.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074618
vetting this post on the grounds of might is right

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074625
Hmm I didn't even know there was an ln of Haruhi

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074624
fluent in dqn utuber nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072692
Needs to be the 32-bit version.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072692
why use an emulator? just switch your system over

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074640
-> /int/

Are you retarded? It is like one of the most popular light novels.

Based on this list it is the most popular good ln. Also 頑張れ oreimo, Shocked it is so high up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074644
サンキュー！

[Anonymous No.]

Is the 3DS location locked? Like I'll need to order a 3DS straight from Japan in order to play games in Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074675
Just install custom firmware and pirate all the Japanese games you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074662
forgot the list :

https://tanoshimi.xyz/2016/09/02/best-selling-light-novels/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074662
really wearing your autism on your sleeves today aren't you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074684
thanks for the list, I'll check em out. The ln I'm reading right now is garbo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074675
Yes but the 3DS can be easily hacked to play anything. Unfortunately Nintendo put protection on their eshop (up until recently you could actually just scan a QR code and download games directly from their servers for free) but you can still run pirated CIAs and region locked physical games.

[Anonymous No.]

Neet thanks. I was about to ask if hacking my 3DS would make me lose access to anything I purchased on the eshop but I guess that's kind of a moot point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074675
Just get a Switch or PS4. Those are region-free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074693
If you want a more up to date list with modern series

https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-05-31/top-selling-light-novels-by-series-in-japan-2018/.132246

honestly an overall higher quality list. re:zero is the best.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074713

[Anonymous No.]

what are some well known translators who learned by reading a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074706
You won't lose anything, you don't have to wipe your SD card and the CFW is undetectable so you can keep using the eshop to buy shit just fine. The eshop is region locked though, if you want to access the Japanese one and don't have a Japanese system you will have to go through changing the system's region which looks to be a pain in the ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074731
Translators do not know japanese.

>>20074716
but my wife's boyfriend said he would buy it for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074684
Has anyone here read Slayers or Orphen? Are they difficult series to read?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this basically saying the shipper won't send it to me because I'm a filthy gaijin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074760
Yes, get the individual ones that are shipped by Amazon or use tenso.

Amazon will ship books and discs internationally but other sellers on their website will mostly never do that.

[Anonymous No.]

is it time for me to stop blindly listening and just mine the script for the most frequent words and then try to notice those words while listening?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074731
麦殿

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I watch Japanese baseball so I can learn Japanese the official Steve Kaufmann way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074780
You should do it the Heisig way instead by playing Japanese baseball.

[Anonymous No.]

I'll show Kaufmann some compelling content *unzips pants*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074784
I read an interview with James Heisig where he mentioned learning to speak Japanese by playing with children, somewhere up in the mountains. How could you even make this stuff up? So when I heard the man was in Tokyo, I knew I had to ask him about it.

Because here’s the extent of what I learned from children by teaching grade school in Japan for several years: The word for lunch. How to say “I’m so cold.” How to say “I’m so hot.” How to grab your teacher’s penis and exclaim “bigu sticku.” How to insert your fingers up his butt in a move known as the kancho. Beyond that, children typically ramble about some toy or cartoon or playground game. They’re not going to coach you on how to make hotel reservations or order up another plate of gyoza. The idea that one could learn to speak from them is insane. They can’t even use the language decently themselves. That’s because they’re freaking kids.

I met Heisig at a writer’s workshop. He seemed a pleasant enough fellow, and a fine teller of grandiose stories. After listening to his well-polished tale about singlehandedly inventing a way of learning Japanese characters that millions of Japanese folks had never thought of in their thousands of years of history, I finally got a chance to ask him, “How did you learn to speak it?”

“I played baseball with the kids,” was his reply. “Up in the mountains. In Nagano.

“You played baseball?” I asked. “With children?

“Yep.

“And that’s how you learned to speak Japanese?

“Sure. Children are the best teachers.”

Now, that sounds reasonable. Everybody nodded. But it isn’t reasonable. It sounds good, but it’s actually nuts. Children are the worst teachers. They make no damn sense.

You know, over the years, I’ve asked many people how they learned Japanese, and their answers consistently fall into one of two categories. They either describe a systematic method pursued diligently over the course of several years, or they make up some convenient bullshit because they don’t really want to respond to the question. I looked at Heisig, and had my answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072633
nuke left memrise over half a year ago. he just uses anki and immersion now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074380
0.00001% is one in ten million users, it would mean that in the entirety of /jp/ history not a single person (outside ajatt) had EVER learned japanese even to an ajatt level, and that's just absolute horseshit

the people in THIS thread aren't spectacular (neither are most ajatters) but using it to conclude that literally nobody learned japanese outside this thread is like visiting /sci/'s math homework thread and using it to conclude that nobody in /sci/ ever learned math

it's just phenomenally fucking poor extrapolation

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074773
Listen to content that you are compelled to pay attention to and understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074459
3 hours a day:
1 hour anki: 6k/genki/whatever
30 min: grammar
90min: consume media

if you know less than 1000 words bump grammar to 2 hours or just don't do anythigng till then

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074819
then take off a 0. millions try to learn japanese and fail.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073307
taking an hour to learn 20 to 30 new things everyday with sentence mining along with four hours of immersion is far better than just five hours of immersion alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074831
the millions of people who learn japanese and fail (are there even millions?) are people who gave up halfway, not people who militantly consumed content for ten thousand hours but did it wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074845
they gave up for many reasons but one of them is that their method sucked
>not people who militantly consumed content for ten thousand hours but did it wrong
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074858
>they gave up for many reasons but one of them is that their method sucked
you have literally no evidence that the only factor that determines whether someone ever learns japanese isn't simply whether or not they're willing to commit to learning it

zero evidence exists that your secret sauce helps people learn japanese in any way other than by subscribing them to a cult which they don't want to give up on

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074860
whether or not they're willing to commit is influenced by their progress, and progress is influenced by how effective the method is.
>which they don't want to give up on
sounds like ajatt works then.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

you definitely dont have to try to learn japanese

you just have to show up

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074830
Congratulations on starting learning japanese last week, but i am afraid this ain't it nephew.

this is it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1bbGuTQmto

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074870
>whether or not they're willing to commit is influenced by their progress
whether or not you're willing to commit is influenced primarily by how much you are committed to japanese media, or alternatively, how much of an autistic bastard you are.

>sounds like ajatt works then.
it works in the sense that a cult dedicated to chanting satanic verses while drawing would help anyone who doesn't quit the cult become a better artist, but not because anything they teach is actually useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074888
>whether or not you're willing to commit is influenced primarily by how much you are committed to japanese media
probably
>it works in the sense that it works, but not that it teaches anything actually useful
OK

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073906
people learning chinese use an app that color codes words based in a sentence on their tone. surprised there's not one for japanese pitch accent. would make noticing (and remembering) pitch much easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074893
i mean if you're going to advertise for ajatt on the grounds that it helps people find the immense autism necessary to not give up on learning japanese you do that

it's when you make bold claims about the efficacy of their actual techniques that people are going to ask for actual evidence that has a chance in hell of satisfying the most basic "is it data" tests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074904
the evidence for ajatt is input. the input is why so many more ajatters are fluent compared to typical learners. if your problem with ajatt is that you think sentences are dumb then who cares? it's not optimal at worst while still being effective.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074898
you dont want that trust me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074918
sentences are sub-optimal. optimal is reading nothing but oreimo. not mining is not reading.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20074937
oreimos fuckin gay tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074928
besides not doing it for everything, just something for sentences that have audio in a deck, why?

[Anonymous No.]

Can 頭を振る ever be read as あたまをふる, or is it also かぶりをふる like JMDICT says?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074871
Only sensible post on this topic. The only effort you have to put in is self restraint enough to consistently "do" nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075043
Best when it doesn't involve any sort of restraint and you just do shit in Japanese because you want to.

[Anonymous No.]

>pitch accent memeing
If you are planning on using japanese to communicate above all else please go to int thanks ^_^

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075024
I've heard it as あたま many times before, usually in 頭を横に振る. かぶり is an idiomatic reading I guess, like in 頭を垂れる.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075043
Exactly. All the people that get good love to learn it point blank. It's a talent only given to those with a passion for it. If it's a chore to you then just give up now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075112
i'm not gonna give up but yes, leyline is a huge fucking chore.

[Anonymous No.]

妹の個人のトイレになったらいいな

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20075137
give up on geyline and move on to something u actually are into

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075143
if your younger sister becomes a personal toilet that's good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075158
what are particles

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075164
did i get it right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075137
Ley Line is good but I agree that you should drop it. Watch more anime and drink more manga before you attempt to tackle an erotic game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075158
"It'd be good if I could become my little sisters personal toilet"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075158
そっちがいいね

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075164
>>20075173
oh no it's good if you become your younger sister's personal toilet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075154
not into anything with this level of understanding.
>>20075175
watching raw anime has made me despise it. lack of text hooking for manga would make it harder to learn from so i would only read other vns, lns, or something on a website.

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone had any good learning or immersive experience with mmos or online games? And I mean more in the talking to other people sense, not just reading menus and stuff. Preferably something with the sociability of runescape for example, and free.
I've tried FFIV but didn't really get into it and don't really remember seeing other people. PSO2 had a decent number of people but like no one talked. I don't think DQO is open to mutts either, or f2p for that matter. I'll try looking through some 5ch boards for more stuff but I'd like some input if you guys have any.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075182
Correct in both regards

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075196
>lack of text hooking for manga would make it harder to learn from

Dude you can literally just open the subtitle file and get the text

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075218
manga don't have subtitle files. you meant anime. i've considered doing that but i think i'll stick with geyline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075196
>text hooking for manga
why do people hate reading this much

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075196
>watching raw anime has made me despise it.
So watch subbed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075234
why would i "read" a manga and understand 0.1% of it (and not looking anything up because spending 10 seconds looking up every word is a pain in the ass) when i can "read" a vn and understand 1% of it using a hover dictionary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075210
You'll learn nothing but net slang and inflections if it's text chat. If there's voice chat try for it, though. Trying to emulate their speech patterns helped me get over pronunciations and enunciations.

Just be prepared to have the conversation be about how you sound foreign. (but they actually think that's amazing for some reason)

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075253
Because even if you understand 100% (case in point subbed anime) doesn't mean you will learn jack shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075253
>hover dictionary
I should get one of these, any recommendations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075266
rikaichamp has fewer bugs and is more up to date
yomichan has audio and lets you scroll through the definitions, which (rarely) matters in case the definition is one of the less frequently used ones toward the bottom.

[Anonymous No.]

This is driving me crazy.

What is the difference between なければ and なくては when used as "must do". For instance, 行かなければ and 行かなくては

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075279
Oh I got yomi, I thought there was a out of browser one for VN's or something..

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075302
i use clipboard inserter on a blank html page. text is automatically copied to that page as it appears in ITHVNR. i unassigned hotkeys from yomichan so it's always on or off depending on if i have the extension enabled.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20075301
行かなくては means you have something specific that you gotta go do

[Anonymous No.]

俺の口が妹尿満々!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075354
そうですか、でもね、その前にお前の妹は俺様の陰茎をしゃぶった、尿までを飲んだ、故にお前の口にいる液体は大分ワシの源で作ったんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075340
Thanks. So 学校に行かなくては = I have to go to school (and nothing else), 学校に行かなければ = I have to go to school (and possibly other things)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075460
>いる
piss isn't alive

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075494
What is "alive"? Something with a heartbeat? Are plants not alive then?

[Anonymous No.]

ゲイゲイゲイの鬼太郎

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075460
いえそんなこと絶対ない。俺がずっと妹のそばにいたんだから

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074716
>Mods delete the file and leave the blank post

Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075466
考えないで、文脈で感じて

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073648
Holy shit

I've been studying for 10 months mining sentences like AJATT says and I literally cannot understand anything that's going on here

This must be what "not gonna make it" feels like...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075628
umm thats like the most basic shit I've ever read.. you really are not going to make it

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20075466
no its more like former is you because things in this world are the way they are u gotta go to school everyones gotta go to school

the latter has less of that pressure on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073648
Do vn-core and Tae-Kim and this is baby stuff..

[Anonymous No.]

妹に漏らさせることは超おもしれー

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075137
read something bad like flyable heart then it doesnt matter if you don't understand anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075628
Wat?

I've been sentence mining for two weeks and understand most of this

[Anonymous No.]

渡しはゲイデス

[Anonymous No.]

>start reading LN
>enjoying it
>really want to watch the anime version but feel like it's more productive to read
anyone else

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075782
just read vns, it's pretty much anime+lns thus the literal definition of epic win.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075782
I just watch Jdrama. This week I watched Missデビル, Chia Dan, and 1リター涙. Jdramas are addictive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072096
nicht in diesem Ton mein Freundchen

[Anonymous No.]

This one is about a sexy girl that kicks someone every episode in their face/jaw. Sometimes she kicks two faces, but always at least one face per episode. Right when she kicks you get some panty fan service.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072126
Why are monolingual anglo plebs like you so fucking stupid that you don't even know the history of your only language. English is less than 50% English, and is the most mutt language of them all.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIo-17SIkws

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075792
vns are cool but having to look words up via text hooker slows it down too much for me at my current level. probably a year or two from now i'll get big into them

[Anonymous No.]

>yfw the sentence is i+1

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075866
how is it slower than looking up in lns? just enable auto-copy to clipboard and alt tab to jisho or your preferred dictionary website and ctrl+v + enter

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075866
use clipboard inserter and you can rikai over it like with lns

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075466
no, they are pretty much the same

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075927
>>20075955
yeah i just find it more distracting to constantly be tabbing away from the game window is all. with an ln i don't have to worry about that, but with vns there's constant tabbing over to my browser and thus more opportunities to go "oh i got a reply"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075987
Close your social media tabs. Better yet, block those websites during study time

[Anonymous No.]

Should I just quit when I get to the jinmeiyo kanji? They're fuckin stupid

[Anonymous No.]

尿用漢字 best 漢字

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072998
>>20075234
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

Learning the Kanji is excellent, but can someone explain why sometimes 代 gets dropped from a compound reading? I've seen this in a couple of vidya titles but I'm sure this isn't the only situation where this occurs

>黄金の太陽：失われし時代
>時代 is read as とき for some reason
>BSゼルダの伝説：古代の石盤
>古代 is read as いにしえ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073648
１．ゆめがつまっています

２．ものはいつかこわれるものです

３．ピアノをひきます

４．だいじなのはいまなにをするかだとおもいます

５．ヒトカラ

II．このあいだアニメがしこたまはいったHDDがクラッシュしました。
これからはバックアップをとっておこうとおもいます。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076166
It's not "dropped", it's that thing where a different reading is used for its phonetic qualities. 運命 (さだめ), 宇宙 (そら) etc. It's also generally accompanied by furigana, as you can see in pic related.

[Anonymous No.]

日本語力が増えてることが感じられられる
いけるかも

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076320
あきがきたなあとかんじるときは

どんなときですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076378
>あきがきた
？
飽き？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076395
おーたむ/ふぉーる
autmun/fall

[Anonymous No.]

かわいいねんて、そんなこといっちゃだめです〜

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076447
ふわふわ
苺たちが
やってくる

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076457
う・る・さ・い
こえがちかづいてくる

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone read Majikoi? Is there anything particularly difficult about it?

[Anonymous No.]

yoshi time for anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075628
>>20075716
Holy shit you guys, I've been reading Genki for literally 3 days and I understand every word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075716
>Wat?
He' obviously meming. Even someone fresh out of [insert beginner guide here] should be able to read that no problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076555
Fuck you I've meditated for 4 weeks and still can't read that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073687
>>20073694
>>20073704
>>20073715
>>20074115

Jokes on him, The voices in my head are all native speakers, even anime voices for different characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076398
How is this related?

[Anonymous No.]

Posting まっｔ should be a bannable offense.

[Anonymous No.]

Need advice, I'm learning Radicals, decided to learn the radicals before jumping into full kanji.

However i'm still reading all the while and would come across stuff i remember more over time.

I wanted to learn the radicals first so i can use their combinations into kanji to help me remember them.
For example: mouth+Lid+Fire = This kanji etc

However it's becoming tedious and i wonder if i should go straight into learning all kanji and increase my vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck has happened to Rikaichan?

The lookup bar is gone, and you can't switch through dictionaries anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076752
ネイティブは

漢字のつくりより

くっつきかたをおもんじるよ

動なら

>　運
>行動作
>　力

こうやってくっつけて

あそびながらおぼえる

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076762
Rikaichan is still around? I thought there was only Rikaichamp and RikaiRebuilt now?

[Anonymous No.]

>墓参り区ゆっくりさせるよ
What's he saying after "visit to a grave" here? I can't get how it fits in

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076791
Have been using it since it first appeared, and essentially it has been werking just fine.
Was on FF ESR52 until last month, have switched to the main release branch again and was met with its current state.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075889
stop fucking editing pictures of matt and giving him a receding hairline

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076810
Did you install Rikaichan from scratch when you upgraded? The "Rikaichan" currently up on the Mozilla site isn't actually the original Rikaichan but a fork made by a different dev for the new Firefox add-on API. Considering it hasn't been updated for an entire year, I'd say you're better off using Rikaichamp or RikaiRebuilt instead. You might also consider Yomichan if you don't mind the fact that it's slow and ugly, but Yomichan hasn't been updated in a year either despite having a major deinflection bug.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076836
From scratch. The old rikaichan used the discontinued extension interface after all.
It was part of the reason I stayed with ESR52.
>Rikaichamp
>I'll work on adding the lookup bar back
That sounds good. Nice to see a dev actually giving a fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076885
Yeah, Rikaichamp seems like it has a good dev. He actually responds to bug reports and updates the add-on frequently. I just wish he'd add Anki support to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076809
I wish I could help you but I don't know japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

だがな・・・偶然手に入れたハズのこの体
それがオレとおまえを引き合わせたのかもしれん
This is something about a body acquired coincidentally, right?

[Anonymous No.]

Is repetition important? I've heard Steve and others talk about listening to a particular piece of content many times over, but I've never done it myself.

What sort of content is actually good for this purpose? I can't imagine doing it with an audiovisual medium like anime since a lot of the audio is going to be tied to visual context from the show (「そーそれは！？」、「何故あいつがあんな物を…？」, etc.) which without you can't follow what's going on. Not to mention all the big gaps in the audio where stuff is going on visually and nobody is speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077053
just listen to しゃべりすぎゲーマー on IGN JAPAN

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077143
Don't want to listen to non-natives.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

watch the ign boys ftw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077053
>What sort of content is actually good for this purpose?
Anything that you enjoy listening to will suffice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077255
I wouldn't say music counts and I don't listen to any other audio-only media. Should I look into drama CDs or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077053

I use audiobooks of books I already read, it's not super repetitive and I notice a lot of improvement when I start it over

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077281
Why does it have to be audio-only media though?
I listen to anime episodes while doing other things throughout the day, even if there's things I don't get because I'm not watching, it's still helping me improve my listening skills.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQh3tjJBj5Q

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077314
>Why does it have to be audio-only media though?
It doesn't absolutely have to be, but I would prefer something made with strictly listening in mind which doesn't depend on visual context for the reasons I mentioned in my first post.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20077335
nice 20 mins of 2 ugly ass mofos

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20077335
seriously god damn that fat fuck gives these a run for their money

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077338
Have you tried listening to radio shows or podcasts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077335
>pic
Wonder when he'll finally figure out that the simpler solution to his Anki woes is to just stop doing and recommending his retarded sentence cards that take him 20 seconds per rep. There's a reason that the default settings work just fine for everyone other than AJATTers.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

rare non worthless part of a matt vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQh3tjJBj5Q#t=597

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077389
look at those narrow basedboy shoulders

[Anonymous No.]

おそうじしたいのに

ダイソンがない

おくって

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20077411
you think if we took him in for a full brazilian wax burned his neckbeard off put a wig and a dress on him hed look good?

[Anonymous No.]

you don't use noni in this case bro. ga is more fitting

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077389
>i'm really nervous because he's basically a celebrity to me... i probably sound all nervous and jittery

the absolute state of matt

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20077431
prepare the bodybag boys

[Anonymous No.]

lyrics are good for vocab, because they make remembering vocab easier for me, because it rings in my ears in the context of the song
you surely need to deal with very slangish and narrow range of grammar, so it's mostly just for initial vocab, because lyrics' vocab is pretty narrow in the end too

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077457
karaoke is even better because i have to learn how to say the words right

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077461
you must be an anglo if you don't know how to say the words since day 1
Japanese is one of the easiest languages to pronounce pitch accent aside, I have all the sounds in my language

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

its fine and great to enjoy music

doing any retard shit with it to try to learn japanese is bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKdBX_cqtAs

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077476
let's hear you say atatakai lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077476
>pitch accent
Unfortunately for you, pitch accent is part of pronunciation and if you're getting it wrong then you aren't pronouncing words correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077493
you fucking what, I would pronounce it just how it's read
vowels of my language cover the very same sounds vowels in Japanese cover, so there's no way I could mispronounce it, and consonants in this case are the same too

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077537
ひともじのはつおんが

いろいろばれちゃうくらいに

はつおんのこうていは

とってもだいじ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077537
>Unfortunately for you, pitch accent is part of pronunciation and if you're getting it wrong then you aren't pronouncing words correctly.
say the same to all the ESL speakers who don't speak with your accent, that they basically don't know how to pronounce your language...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077573
I have no problem with telling them that because it's true. When ESLs fuck up English stress accent they are not pronouncing English correctly. To any native speaker, their pronunciation sounds wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075987
i don't have to tab over to anything. i just put them all on the same monitor. also if you use a hover dictionary you don't have to bother with jisho or the like so it's all seamless. maybe an over reliance on hover dictionaries permanently cripples your japanese, so maybe i should stop using it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077335
From this interview I learned Khatz is one of those minorities that acts as a victim. Sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077596
>stress accent
well, guess what, I speak a Slavic language and we also have the stress thing on the penultimate syllable etc., I had a lesson on it at school and nobody knew what the teacher was talking about
we were supposed to say out loud some words and she straight out told us that we stressed it incorrectly - guess what again, nobody gives a fuck about that shit
surely as a native I got some of it naturally, but ultimately, turns out I mispronounce my language too - only people who act in stage plays are super pedantic about stressing words because their job requires it, nobody else gives a fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077653
idk about your language but that's not the case in english. as a native if someone stresses a word wrong it's an immediate "that's wrong". it's not a big deal but still.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077653
>I had a lesson on it at school and nobody knew what the teacher was talking about
we were supposed to say out loud some words and she straight out told us that we stressed it incorrectly - guess what again, nobody gives a fuck about that shit
That may be the case for your language, but it's not the case for English. Any native speaker will be able to note the stress difference between, say, incite and insight. Whenever I listen to an ESL and they fuck up the stress on a word, I immediately notice it and it stands out considerably.

I'm not saying you have to speak English with a perfect stress accent. As a native speaker, I'm used to hearing some really bad accents (some so bad as to be completely incomprehensible), so as far as I'm concerned so long as you're intelligible I'm not going to get upset. But the fact of the matter is, stress is a part of correct English pronunciation and if you are getting it wrong then you aren't pronouncing words correctly and any native speaker will immediately be able to out you as a non-native speaker based on that alone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077706
>will immediately be able to out you as a non-native speaker based on that alone.
sure, but that doesn't matter much if you don't care
and that trick doesn't work with Japanese because they'll ultimately see you aren't Japanese by not looking like them

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077729
>and that trick doesn't work with Japanese because they'll ultimately see you aren't Japanese by not looking like them
https://youtu.be/oLt5qSm9U80

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

i feel like ive seen this guy somewhere before

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077775
Matto desu ne

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20077706
cutting edge stuff right here breaking news if you dont sound like everybody else youre prolly not from round these ere parts partner

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077775
he looks like the onions version of feels guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077859
>german turk getting butthurt about accent discussion
color me surprised

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

i just thought it was sick you wrote all that shit that could be summed up in one simple line

wouldnt have even replied but nothing else was poppin

[Anonymous No.]

when you get through more sentences but understand even less

[Anonymous No.]

I'm playing Dragon Quest 5 right now because eceleb Tim Rogers says that was how he got fluent and after searching google forドラクエ セリフ discovered this site that not only has seemingly all DQ game text, but also a novelized summary for 5. These summaries are fantastic to read right after you play, excellent beginner level stuff to be had here for anyone else who is or has played DQ5.

http://light37.web.fc2.com/dragon/dq5/dq5playnovel.htm

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20077924
if the amount of incomprehensible input outweighs the amount of comprehensible input your scenario happens

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077946
>says that was how he got fluent
Even if you knew 3 times all the words used in dragon quest 5 you probably still wouldn't be fluent. He is just saying that cause it sounds cool and plausible to EOP

[Anonymous No.]

he probably just means that was what got him to a level where he could branch out to other media and learn from them. but like you said, it sounds cooler to claim that X beginner material is what got you fluent.

[Anonymous No.]

You dont even want to sound perfect. Having a foreign accent makes you special and interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077971
pretty much this. matt said so.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

sounding like shit is the way to go

of course you dont want to be rude sounding but people who clearly care about language are weirdos and its why they end up with no friends in japan

[Anonymous No.]

the problem with being wrong on pitch is people won't correct you if they understand you. that means you need a tutor or better yet voice coach to nitpick your shitty accent.

[Anonymous No.]

シットポースチングのことになってしまいましたわね

[Anonymous No.]

sorry forgot what the zu form does let me google that.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

or you can just not worry about it and let society be your voice coach because youll naturally understand at some point when something sounds good and has impact youll try to imitate it

if you were gonna have a [professional] tutor you should have them from day one to truly optimize your path to fluency

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078005
ググらずわかる方が健康的ね

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077432
Matt is a petty social manipulator with a superiority complex. He opened the video with this comment to be brazenly sarcastic to Sam who would not pick up on it in an attempt to elevate himself. Sam is an ass, but maybe not as big of one as Matt.

Matt is just so fucking jealous that Sam had real life interactions with Khatz and would literally fuck Sam in the ass if he could trade places with him.

Matt is now desperately trying to recoup all that time he spent studying only to realize he has no practical use for Japanese so he doesn't kill himself for wasting his youth by becoming a cult leader or at least taking money from all the dekinais who should be immersing and studying instead of looking to egomaniacs and gurus for the answers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078009
Actually good advice イエーイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078017
>to be brazenly sarcastic
yea you're definitely autistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077432
Matt is a petty social manipulator with a superiority complex. He opened the video with this comment to be brazenly sarcastic to Sam who would not pick up on it in an attempt to elevate himself. Sam is an ass, but maybe not as big of one as Matt.

Matt is just so fucking jealous that Sam had real life interactions with Khatz and would literally fuck Sam in the ass if he could trade places with him.

Matt is now desperately trying to recoup all that time he spent studying only to realize he has no practical use for Japanese so he doesn't kill himself for wasting his youth by attempting to becoming a cult leader or at least harvesting money from all the dekinais who should be immersing and studying instead of looking to egomaniacs and gurus for the answers.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20078017
are we talkin physically or metaphorically as big of an ass lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078025
maybe blatently sarcastic would be better here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078036
no, he wasn't being sarcastic. matt is just a little weirdo dweeb like that.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

and we shall call him >>20078032 the matt whisperer

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078043
stating that sam was like a celebrity to him is the same tactic people use to get onto live talk radio or television to get past the screeners just to prank. Matt has shit talked Sam's ability on his blog and does not seem to respect him. He seemed to enjoy creating a contrast between his ultra mindful super human consciousness with Sam's incoherent rambling, especially during that gratuitous pee break. Just stomping his way up to be the king of the weebs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078067
>and does not seem to respect him
nah he's talked about him positively multiple times. he likes him and it's his videos that got him into ajatt. maybe that interview changed his mind since sam was such a jackass.

[Anonymous No.]

In the style of 知らん instead of 知らない, is it possible to say 見ん instead of 見ない？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078047
don"t try to diminish my insights

[Anonymous No.]

Even if i cant learn japanese, watching raw anime and VNs is fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078098
possible
same applies to every verb in -ないform

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078142
良い態度だよネ～

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077946
>because eceleb Tim Rogers says that was how he got fluent
Tim Rogers got fluent by going to Japan and then staying there for 10+ years. Dragon Quest just helped.

Not saying you shouldn't be using it as a resource but don't expect to get good just because you played through one video game

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078171
op forgot to use the sarcasm tag

[Anonymous No.]

Quick djt where do I get japanese subs for animu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078224
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=japanese+subtitles+for+anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078224
kitsunekko

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078255
Cheers

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076533
this dog looks stupid

[Anonymous No.]

What is the verdict on anime with j subs

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078359
doesn't count as listening practice

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078379
This. It makes it too easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078359
helps you learn vocab and increases comprehension; will not help you get better at listening which is arguably more important for a beginner

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077376
The time it takes to do a card has no impact on optimal settings though, everyone can benefit from this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077649
It's pretty obvious is you've ever read the ajatt site

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078382
If you have no vocab, can you truly listen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078032
>Matt is now desperately trying to recoup all that time he spent studying only to realize he has no practical use for Japanese

What about the $3k a month he passively makes by knowing it?

[Anonymous No.]

is searching Ankig for words only shit for me?
>go to Browse for a deck
>look for a query
>it's somewhere 3/4 of the way in the list of results

Is there a way to make search look only in sort field/question?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078359
I'm the anon who originally asked, I only want to use them as a crutch for when I don't know a word/grammar point and can't infer it from the context. So will have them disabled by default and only enable them when needed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078430
With enough time, yes.
Your brain is literally built for pattern recognition. If you hear the same sounds in the same contexts multiple times you will intuitively pick up on it and begin to draw conclusions as to its meaning. You can also shortcut this and throw it in a dictionary to lock it in. Do this enough times and you learn Japanese
If you're not yet at a point where you can hear individual sounds at all then you resolve that with more listening.

>>20078478
Just don't rely on them so much you don't even try to listen anymore. Really easy trap to fall into

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20078359
dont think you should even think about it till you watched 10000 hours with english subs or have equivalent experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078464
(fieldnamewithoutparenthesis):*(searchtermwithoutparenthesis)*

*you can also use asterisks here

[Anonymous No.]

Anki is giving me only Listening cards in my Core 2k deck as new cards. As in, it's skipping the Reading and Production cards (for both words and sentences). If I back out of the session and to the main menu, then start the session again, then it will give me the Reading and Production cards just for the current word, and then go back to skipping them. Any idea how to fix this? They are not being buried.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072007

>分かっておやり

>Think about how he feels.

i cant find anything about おやり that makes sense to me halp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078622
try asking on hellotalk? is that the full sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078606
>Any idea how to fix this?

Delete your core deck, it's distracting you from more important things like learning Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078622
ておやり→てあげなさい

[Anonymous No.]

その瞳に浮かぶのは安堵、ではなく怯えの感情だ
ではなく refers to 怯え? "it was feeling of no fear"
something like that?
At first I thought ではなく refers to 安堵 turning it into sad sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078556
thanks man, you're gold!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078794
Ignore the comma. 安堵ではなく＝安堵じゃない

[Anonymous No.]

>>20074508
わぁ~ 妹ちゃん絶対糖尿絶対デブ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20075210
SinoAlice is supposedly good. I know someone who's really into it and from what I can see there's a co-op event every day, he spends an hour or two just voice-chatting to other people in his guild before and after on Discord. I tried playing but my Japanese is too shit to even understand the game...

[Anonymous No.]

>>20076780
plz english

[Anonymous No.]

Guys please help me here
When using という to define relative clauses i always see の being added after it,Is it just to make the clause a general noun?

This lesson confused me so much i actually redid all the grammar from the start,and it's helped,but it's still very confusing

[Anonymous No.]

>>20077389
seriously? you guys didn't even realize? lol morons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078425
I've read some of it but none of that matters if one of his friends reveals him to have certain beliefs outside a public website.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20079066
why are you pinging me ?

[Anonymous No.]

i've been exposed to という, というのは, ということは (i think is what it was), etc. and i still forget what the fuck they do every time.

[Anonymous No.]

fuck you guys
t. me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079147
no fuck you leather man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078359
In my personal experience it's a good way to improve listening. I've done almost all my listening with accompanying text. There are some studies that indicate that it's not any worse, at least.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck does this mean? They are giving out advice to improve speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079481
don't read directly [from your slides/notes], try to use an outline

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079490
>don't read directly [from your slides/notes], try to use an outline

Yeah I have no idea what that's suppose to mean, ESL here sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079506
You have to learn English before you can learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079506
Oh!

Often people make a slideshow (using PowerPoint or something) for their presentation, and then when they present it in front of an audience, they just read what is on the screen. Or, someone might right out their presentation like an essay, and just read off of the paper. An outline would be something like a brief list of bullet points that the speaker could use to remind them what to say instead. For example, an outline might look like this:

- project deadline postponed
- funding opportunities have been contacted
- initial research has begun

And then the speaker might talk about those three points. They might have this list of points (outline) on a note card or two.

[Anonymous No.]

/daily business presentation thread/

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079551
what is learning japanese if not learning to do business presentations

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079536
Thanks! I figured it out after thinking about it for I while just before your post.

I used to do that when talking with a jap friend over skype, writing down some phrases about topics I wanted to talk about and then repeating them while talking to him, I guess that was bad? I used to do it mostly to don't stop in the middle of a sentence in case I didn't know a word or a conjugation and bore him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079066
what does he mean by this?

i don't want to watch the video

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079603
No, that's not bad. What's bad is when your slideshow has a huge paragraph on it and you spend 5 minutes just reading a huge paragraph off of a screen. I wouldn't worry about your conversations with your friend.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20079605
apparently matts turned to some attempt at comedy but hes even less cut out for that than teaching how to learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079628
back in school my mate used to memorize those huge fucking paragraphs and recite them word for word without looking at the screen

it was pretty impressive actually

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073648
every 4 hours you should upload a page of genki for us to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079741
Genki isn't doing

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20073648
lol minna genki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20073648
>壊す
Is this supposed to be a basic word? I came across it many times but never remembered it.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20079787
you should know it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079787
>basic word
>came across it many times
You answered your own question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079787
i came across it when some dumbass statue broke in some shit ass vn but i forgot it until you highlighted it here

[Anonymous No.]

私はね
男に食べられたい
一口で胃にたどり着く
そしてその狭くて暗くて臭い所で栄養になりたくて死ぬ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079787
you should also know 滅ぼす

[Anonymous No.]

I switched from rap to this while reading nihongo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPyOhP1GTRQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079814
you have my utmost 全く

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20079814
geyline guy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079815
本当にくそ投稿だらけ今日はね

[Anonymous No.]

I think crypto currency might be back in town.

[Anonymous No.]

I have to add 左右 to anki or else I will never remember the reading of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079899
You'll remember it eventually if you just keep reading. I had a lot of trouble with that one too,

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

a better way is to just write it 100 times while saying syllables really stretched out so it covers the duration of writing each corresponding kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079899
And then there is 右折 :)
Learning 左右 is good for the name the first kanji in 佐藤 though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079868
そういえば
ちなみにくそになりたい

[Anonymous No.]

*shitposts for hours on end about how much i hate my reading material*
*ignore everyone elses suggestions to read something else and continues to shitpost*

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

gambare geyline guy!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079926
貴様はもうくそなのに

[Anonymous No.]

today will be the day i learn nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078224
hope that they are already in the video file

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone had experience with italki? I was thinking of using it but it's a lot of money to have someone just read genki to me (which seems like that's what might happen).

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078430
thats deep

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079930
reading something else won't change anything because it's the futility of understanding anything that is the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079986
Do you feel like you have trouble finding the answers to your questions? Generally jisho and hjgp is enough for me to understand stuff I don't know

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079930
*recognize a problem that can be easily fixed*
*shitlost about it instead*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20072405

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080008
I'm a jackass so if I pay money it's more likely I'll keep up with something. Granted I already pay for wanikani and barely use that.

[Anonymous No.]

Probably the wrong thread to ask, but is there any decent Japanese pop music left?

The 10s have been garbage. Fuck Johnny's. Fuck AKB.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20079944
>貴様はもうくそ
そんなケンシロっぽい台詞というとは。。。
ちなみにケンシロにたべられるのもいいと思います

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080038
times have changed dude everythings aids

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080031
nihingo is a way of life. after playing that first game or reading something in japanese you'll keep using it because it's fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080048
I do have a few manga I got for the mini-figs maybe I should just sit down with those an hour each day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20078418
Giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that his settings are actually optimal, which is highly doubtful considering his track record, they will provide much more negligible gains in terms of saving time for someone who spends 3 seconds per card instead of 20 seconds.

By having only 3 fewer cards to review, someone who spends 20 seconds per card can reduce their rep time by 1 minute. For someone who spends 3 seconds per card however, their reviews would have to be reduced by 20 to make that same (ultimately insignificant) saving. 100 fewer reviews for a 20spc individual = 33 minute saving, for a 3spc individual = 5 minute saving.

Only reason Matt and his followers care about Anki optimisation so much is because their sentence mining method itself is extremely time inefficient, but they can't admit that and want to put the blame on Anki not being "optimal" instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080038
i only listen to 大森靖子 and also my guilty pleasure which is formulaic corporate anime music made for gacha games

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080031
That's some stupid logic like those new year resolution fags who pay and sign up for a gym yet quit after a month. "The high price will make me keep going!"

If you're consuming compelling content you're even less likely to quit.

y'know, since it's compelling and all. It becomes something to look forward to.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080031
lol kids gonna end up broke in a gutter with a syringe sticking out of one arm holding a hand full of flash cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080065
Yeah it is bad logic. I can probably benefit from an instructor but not until I've strengthened my resolve more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080069
they cut my nihongo with fentanyl and now I'm dead

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080058
What is this fucker up to these days, I saw that he had streamed on twitch or utube few times during 2017 I think.

[Anonymous No.]

It's thanks to namasensei that I started learning japanese. He gave me the idea it was possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080054
Just remember manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080060
Thanks for the suggestion.
Maybe a little too squeaky, though.

[Anonymous No.]

I have to make sure that when I fap I at least do it while to eroge

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080054
i would. once you're used to it you'll start to forget about the hour minimum rule and just keep going to know what happens next

[Anonymous No.]

why do you guys lie to beginners so much about how much they'll love reading?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080095
i cna only get half a boner to top tier dark nuki

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080069
imagine how embarrassed the parents would be to have to tell people their kid was learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080114
I just fap with a flat dick, eventually it will siffen

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080089
and shitting isn't immersing

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080111
as opposed to doing textbook exercises and anki grinding?

reading is actually fun.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080111
if u dont like reading in your native language its not gonna magically change with japanese

trust me i dont read shit besides general internet and hentai games w. the occasional epic manga sprinkled in

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080128
manga is not reading

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080132
im gonna read it sometimes and u cant stop me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080111
idk about you but one of my greatest memories was struggling to play a jrpg. it was painfully slow, but still fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080127
yea that's what sorta confuses me. i actually prefer doing anki but i intentionally limit the new cards i do so that my reviews will take roughly an hour. when i finish reading and listening i'll go back and do some excess reviews if i didn't get them all done. but yea, anki is way better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080127
I like textbook exercises but I also realize that they won't teach me japanese, so I just stick to the LNs. Practice exercise for the N tests could help me pass them though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080142
>>20080146
what the fuck is wrong with you people.

>Practice exercise for the N tests could help me pass them though.
The only one worth doing is N1.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080140
much win in this post

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080151
>N1
That's the one I meant.
Still just for a bit, you know - to get a hold of the structure of the questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080151
fuck is wrong with you? not comprehending a text is a much worse experience than getting anki reviews done. the only reason a beginner should read is that this is allegedly the fastest way for them to learn. the better you are the more you'll comprehend so the more you'll enjoy reading and listening. but before that it's fucking hell and it's definitely not more fun than anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080166
>not comprehending a text

there's your problem, you're supposed to use your noggin a little harder so that reading = comprehending a text

but that aside anki is still rock bottom when it comes to fun so i don't get your point of view

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtYweFDmVCg
Is your kana reading speed fast enough to keep up?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080185
you cant do that flashtards are gonna cry

[Anonymous No.]

>enjoying droning anki
変質者 in this thread scare me sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

～ありがとうございません～

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080264
あざせん?

[Anonymous No.]

how much time do you realistically put into watching stuff each day without getting bored n tired?

I can watch ~2 hours of idol shows + anime movie, so I guess my upper limit would be 3,5-4 hours of content

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080280
easily all day, just need something interesting

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080286
It's not that I'm getting tired of the content, but just of the action of watching something. But I guess if something was VERY immersive I could go through a whole series in one day, but that'd be once in a blue moon, definitely not something I could do every single day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080128
You say that as if erotic games aren't at the forefront of contemporary literature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080280
I read for 2 minutes to switch to 5 other things then after 10 minutes I come back and get 2-5 minutes again
This happens everyday.

[Anonymous No.]

^ classic case of internet aids here

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080280
If I'm watching a really good anime there's no limit
For only decent to good anime it's around 8 hours

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080280
instantly bored of it all but i force myself to watch 2 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080286
>>20080298
don't you think that nobody can focus for 10+ hours on what they are watching? like up to some point there's indeed a benefit, but then it's slowly diminishing with time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080315
I've definitely spent 10 hours doing nothing but watching cartoons.

You're probably right in the sense you need to eat and sleep and move around a bit to keep your brain from going into battery saving mode but if something is immersive enough I can easily spend all my free time on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080315
What kinda weak mind do you have that you can't even watch anime all day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080058
Actually you'll have like 50 fewer reviews per day, but keep attacking something you're completely ignorant of

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080303
what are you interested in Japan-wise?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080355
anime, manga, VNs. i look forward to some of their dopey live action stuff too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080247
Life is whatever you talk yourself into.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080369
then why do you get bored after just 2 hours of anime if you're interested in it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080386
because it's a bunch of gibberish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080391
oh and you misunderstood. it doesn't take 2 hours for me to get bored. i instantly get bored of it. the first 10 seconds into my viewing i want to quit. i force myself to watch 2 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080396
I get it that it's gibberish that's hard to listen to and get interested in, but you should at least be interested in the facade of things.

[Anonymous No.]

1) what's the Internet Movie Database (IMDB) of Japan? I want to research some of their more obscure titles
2) where do I get documentaries in Japanese from

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080408
tsutaya

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080280
LN: exhaustion after one hour
VN: can last 2 to 4 depending on how engaging it is
Jrpg: indefinitely, but thats because it's my favorite and generally much easier to understand whats going on
As i get better i expect to be able to hold out longer on all of these but reading is in fact a physical activity that will tire you out, even in english.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080391
You don't know Japanese. You cannot enjoy a Japanese show for its story. Stop trying to. You need to find joy in the process. Treat learning new words and grammar points like a game. Try consuming easier media to increase the frequency of this. This stage only lasts about 3 months and then you will need to actually be interested in the story to get enjoyment.

Remember, having fun is the #1 way to learn a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080420
that's exactly what i do and it's why i've been able to keep it up for this short while. i like comprehending a sentence i wouldn't have been able to a week ago. but stop pretending that the points game is OH SO AMAZING FUN. god i see so much fucking self delusion in learning communities like this. reminds me of the AJATT cultists trying to hype each other up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080427
not that anon but the excitement of being able to understand increasingly difficult material easily outweighs any and all frustrations for me.

[Anonymous No.]

jeez just watch english subbed anime for 10000 hours then and after that youll be able to watch raw anime for fun

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080434
i should probably try reading nhk easy articles to see if i get a high out of their being easier than VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080338
>>20080058
Wouldn't it all be percentage based anyway? Like, it doesn't matter if you take 3 seconds or 20 seconds, if you can cut your reps in Anki down by 25% then you can use that time to do more cards. If that 25% happens to only be two minutes because you do 3 second reps then you'll be able to fit in an extra 40 reps in the same amount of time to learn more new cards per day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080408
myanimelist

[Anonymous No.]

When listening to news podcasts, how do you ＊hear＊ the kanji used in the long compound words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080470
What kind of answer are you expecting here?

[Anonymous No.]

if you slow down a nip's speech enough you can hear the stroke order

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080477
you guys are hilarious

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080477
lol you guys are pretty funny sometimes

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080452
Imagine how fast you would learn Japanese if you did nothing but anki cards all day.

[Anonymous No.]

Tried out passive listening while entering documents for about 4 hours. I could only pick out a few words and a few noun-particle-verb combinations but couldn't tell what was being said. Neat experience because I haven't really tried any sort of listening discounting subbed anime

[Anonymous No.]

I'm just reading the mind illuminated because matt said so I have no idea what I'm doing and I have no structure to this

[Anonymous No.]

Thinking about pitch accent really makes me want to switch to learning korean instead. how the fuck do you learn pitch accent

[Anonymous No.]

use your ears to hear the pitch, done

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080597
heres how to learn pitch accent https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKdBX_cqtAs

[Anonymous No.]

which anki deck is everybody using?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

this one

[Anonymous No.]

I wont learn pitch accent like some weeb retard, I will learn competent Japanese and maybe pick the accent but Im not going to specifically study it like some fucking cuckold
no sweat

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

learn japanese first then clean it up later if necessary

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080692
inneficiency for impatient people, I'd rather do things the right way

[Anonymous No.]

weeb insecure about his ability in a language he doesn't even know yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080668
rtk, VNcore, Tae Kim, then full immersion

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080714
even many japanese people could stand to clean up their diction a little bit but by all means keep chasing your tail in search of that ever elusive right way

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys ever wonder if anki haters are right?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

flashtard or not a flashtard doesnt fully determine really anything but the *pushes up glasses* deck *snorts* is stacked against you

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080723
can you be more specific? most of those don't bring up anything when searching the jap shared deck list

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080797
want us to study them for you also? wouldn't want you to do any actual mental work after all.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't understand how so many people come in here asking about vncore specifically. The CoR is right there. And newfriends don't usually bother me but it happens almost every other thread now which is strange.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080777
Both sides are right. I get huge gains from reading and anki too. The fools are the ones who don't do either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080797
go to op's link and it's all in there

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus christ, have mercy. Did someone have a seizure when creating this kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080835
秘密？なに

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080835
t. didn't do rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080835
學、鬱、嚏、there are worse beasts out there young one

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080851
Let me feel the pain one step at a time, please.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080851
all of these are a joke after doing rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080864
Alright maybe the first two are, but
>嚏
I doubt you have seen this kanji before and I'm sure you didn't guess the reading + meaning from looking at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080871
i haven't but the power of RTK is that you can easily make mnemonics for any kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080871
Because nobody uses that. Sneeze is written in kana alone.

[Anonymous No.]

Step aside rtkfags 龜

[Anonymous No.]

鬮 big dick kanji coming through

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080864
THIS, only redditors find everyday-use kanji difficult, kanji that are as complex as 'gloom' in terms of complexity - there's maybe 3 or 4 of them in the whole RTK 1 + 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080597
>>20080603
hello friendly reminder that if you care enough about pitch accent that it worries you in your studies, you are probably looking for the /int/ thread which is based more around interaction with foreigners rather than the otaku media that this /jp/ thread is interested in!!! hope this clears things up for you =^_^=

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080835
i love himitsu because you got a big ol heart with a slash through it on the left, and then on the right it's another big ol heart w/ a slash through it except it's in a neat little ornamental box thing. really makes you think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080906
right on brother in NEETdom!

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080906
epic retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080917
If I thought more like you I might have an easier time retaining kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

already came up with mnemonics for it.
>sub component that looks like bound up dick and balls = chastity belt with semen dropping out (to help remember the rightward curve).
>sub component with the little stars that look like rudders = turbine engine (for some weird plane or rocket ship or something). the x is the window.
picture a balding ajatter with piss jugs in a chastity belt tethered to the outside of a rocketship in space.

now i'm not going to recall it because these are pointless kanji, but god DAMN has rtk equipped me to easily use mnemonics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080934
meant for
>>20080889
also not stars, but pitchforks. turbines or rocket thrusts. oh well, works either way.

[Anonymous No.]

Have it crash land on a planet full of giant turtles to tie it back to its meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080926
not that guy but what does learning pitch accent teach me?

[Anonymous No.]

Why learn "pitch accent" of a monotone language?

[Anonymous No.]

Why? Why not? Do you not want to know what it's like to give it your all you lazy piece of shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081006
i feel like if i develop proper pitch accent i'll be losing a part of my gaikokujin charm that will make them like me

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20080968
how to flow properly

but dont worry about "learning pitch accent"

[Anonymous No.]

so is heisig's "I played baseball with children" the 70's version of "watch 10,000 hours of anime"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081018
Do you like slimy mexicans that speak broken english in a heavy mexican accent? No, of course you don't. I'm sure your american accent sounds the same to japanese.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20081029
haha "you have to go back"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080968
it let's you notice what has always been there. when you're aware of something, you start noticing it everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081018
Your pitch accent will never be perfect so you don't have to worry about that. It'll just be better than it would have been.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081029
>xD GUYS I'M FROM /pol/!!!!!! DID YOU NOTICE XD
if they have broken english that means they're only here out of necessity, and that's not going to be me with japanese. plenty of mexicans speak decent english, and their accents don't bother me, i find them appealing. your dumb biases aren't entertaining anyone, so keep them to yourself dumbo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081067
That post had nothing to do with politics but it's always nice to see a triggered snowflake.

The fact is heavy accents are unappealing in most cases, it doesn't add "charm".

[Anonymous No.]

Dogen san said studying pitch accent just 2 hours per day for 2 years will have you sounding like a native. He suggests studying it from the start as to not develope bad habits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081067
jesus there's nothing wrong with hating dirty brown accents. get over yourself.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20081085
much like your posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081092
wow just a mere 2 hours a day

[Anonymous No.]

nobody is talking to you jamal

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20081092
dogens rehearsed bullshit falls completely apart in the unscripted

he sounds just like every other decent foreigner

>>20081110
thanks for the heads up ps nice self own

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081085
>falls back immediately on le triggered snowflake xD response
now THIS is stupid. and calling someone a poltard is short for letting them know that they have dumb, uninteresting, racist opinions but at lightning speed

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081102
Just copy from movies and shows you're already watching. Pause them and repeat there lines, repeat words on yomichan, etc. 2 hours is really not that much when you break it up over the day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081120
Nothing racist about my post, unless you are seriously assmad over the use of "slimy". In that case, grow up. And if you aren't mexican and you're being upset FOR mexicans, then literally go fuck yourself because you're embarrassing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081120
back to /r/linguistics

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081117
Spoiler/ everything on youtube is rehersed. Dogen isn't perfect but he's one of the best. Him and matt are probably the two best speakers on YT who also semi-teach.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20081136
dont put matt and dogen in the same conversation its misleading

[Anonymous No.]

>my obscure youtube faggot is better than your obscure youtube faggot
Is that really what has become of DJT? We can do better than this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081138
I would love to see them battle it out though. They both have rediculous vocabularly skills and pitch accents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081138
Exactly, Dogen actually teaches.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20081136
i mean any communication you do on the internet that isnt real time is fake and gay if we wanna go there

reason why it matters is being scripted while trying to teach someone language skills is not what u want

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20081162
cant confirm or deny since all that gets posted here is matt vids

all i know thru my limited exposure is he talks like an anime character with good enunciation and is prolly a sex tourist i mean just look at the guy hes got some fucked up shit goin on for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081180
>sex tourist
He's married and has lived in japan for over 10 years. He sounds more like a samurai or radio announcer than an anime character. I mean I like him staying underground but he's legit.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

its always the married guys that do the fucked up shit

[Anonymous No.]

How will you eceleb worshippers live now that youtube is dead?

[Anonymous No.]

lol bruh I already prepared for this situation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081289
nuke got banned for youtube and now he's livestreaming on twitch. wonder how long that'll last.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20081310
lol thats some aids

>>20081316
what could nuke chan have possibly done to get in trouble on the tubes

[Anonymous No.]

There is something beautiful about language learning, man. You are showing a genuine interest in someone else’s language and culture. And there are also people interested in your own language and culture. When I see people from from totally different cultural backgrounds get along, it really shows that we humans are all connected in some time of way and it warms my heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081445
wow thats powerful

press like if you think its powerful too!

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはゲイです。

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはレズですわ

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

わたしはこれで

[Anonymous No.]

ご注文は以上でよろしいでしょうか

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080835
秘密
蜂蜜
秘伝

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081006
How do you AJATT if you have a job?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081779
You have to quit your job and start doing laundry in the kitchen sink

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081779
I listen to Japanese at work, and outside of work pretty much all I do is Japanese since I don't have friends or hobbies and my wife likes to stay at home anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081779
earphones with a recently watched playlist of ripped audio work wonders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20080338
>Actually you'll have like 50 fewer reviews per day
Wow, a saving of a whole 2 and a half minutes for anyone sane (assuming Matt's copypasted math from Wikipedia actually holds up for more than 24 hours this time). Certainly worth sitting through the inevitable hour long explanation video to learn about this.

[Anonymous No.]

please click like

[Anonymous No.]

wtf happened to the thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>game uses 脚 instead of 足
annnd dropped. so pretentious.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

かきたべた？

[Anonymous No.]

i just had the best idea. japanese subs on dubbed anime

[Anonymous No.]

yoshi time for reading

[Anonymous No.]

>download a vn
>voice actors speak in a fictional language

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw someone walks in on you studying japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082135
I just ate a bunch at work yesterday yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>ya winning, son?

[Anonymous No.]

*deletes your anki deck*

[Anonymous No.]

>初歩的
>basic

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082164
>how's the Chinese coming along?
>that's good have you started looking for a job yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082163
となりのきゃくはよくかきくうきゃくだ

[Anonymous No.]

huh?

[Anonymous No.]

im probably not even on top of mount stupid yet but i can physically feel myself becoming better at japanese the more i read it

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone clarify the use of the second の for me?

「自分のしたことのあるアルバイトについて・・・を書きなさい。」

I know it's asking me to write about some part-time job I've done before.

Why is it 「の」instead of「が」?
I assume because「自分のしたことがあるアルバイト」would translate to "A part-time job that's done itself"?

[Anonymous No.]

Someone recommend me something to read that is mostly text thats like N2-ish level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082391
I recommend you read something compelling

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082391
装甲悪鬼村正
神咒神威神楽
信天翁航海録
紅殻町博物誌
霞外籠逗留記
花散峪山人考

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082384
No, が would mean the same thing there, の is just used both times because it is clearer and more natural in a subordinate clause like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>咒

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082432
Thank you I will never forget that now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082432
Holy shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082429
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20081343
Our big copyright fighter streamed stolen movies online on youtube and thought it was okay because it's "for educational reasons". His videos got banned and he was forbidden to stream for at least three months. Oh the irony.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082432
どっから

そんなネタしいれてきたの

ちょっとはらたつ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20082432
安