DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #2026

[Anonymous No.]

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How to learn Japanese TL;DR - Learn kana with DJT Kana (+writing if you want), read Tae Kim's grammar guide, then start reading and listening to compelling content intended for adult native speakers for several hours each day.

Last thread: >>20040692

[Anonymous No.]

>>20053953
Japanese is impossible to learn. I wish I could have though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20053963
You just have to consume compelling content and you'll learn it in no time at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20053976
I've tried for four years. It won't work

[Anonymous No.]

>>20053976
but japanese content is so boring so i don't have the luxury of remembering a word or phrase because of an interesting moment in a show or text.

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>>20053979
Maybe your content isn't compelling enough?
I started with imported jrpgs when I couldn't even read kana so I was forced to understand as much as possible if I wanted to beat the games.

>>20053992
Why do you even want to learn the language if you don't enjoy reading or watching anything in it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20053992
What are you learning for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054021
>>20054023
it's boring now but it won't be later.

[Anonymous No.]

people were so full of shit when they said i shouldn't try to understand a grammar point by reading example sentences in grammar guides. what's convenient about grammar guides is that they'll give you like 10 examples in a row of just that grammar point. it doesn't matter that it's "unnatural" because i read a lot of natural material anyway.

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>>20054021
No. It's just impossible to learn. I tried my hardest I failed. Now I'm going to fail at /g/ stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054060
Why don't you do the stuff you think you have to do later now?
There's no reason to wait. If it's too advanced that just means your learning curve is gonna be steeper.

Anythings better than boring yourself.

>>20054071
>I tried my hardest I failed
Try my hardest and you'll make it? Don't let yourself hold you back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054096
How long have you been studying for?
This thread has been around for years and nobody has learned Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054071
How many hours did you put in per day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054096
>Why don't you do the stuff you think you have to do later now?
i am but there's nothing fun about understanding 1% of something you understood 100% of with translations. or less depending on the translation's accuracy but somewhere around there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054109
A ton. It was my obsession

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054069
可哀想　君は本当にアホか

残念ながら　日本語は無理

ラノベ愛するのが一つ日本語の勉強の理由でござる

フッフッフ　(〃⌒ー⌒〃)∫

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054129
based 残念ながら autist.

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>>20054106
>This thread has been around for years and nobody has learned Japanese.
You just get that impression because there's no reason to visit this thread anymore once your level is decent enough, aside from shitposting once every few months or seeing how much worse these threads are getting.

>How long have you been studying for?
Actually studying took me 2 years for Wanikani and textfugu.
Then I just kept reading, watching mostly doramas while mining and eventually I stopped mining too.

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>>20054155
Youre in so much denial. Stop learning Japanese. Im legitimately trying to help you.

>>20053992
But you can spam this thread Jamal? Nigger

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>>20054150
そうかしら
拙者は自閉症があるまいでござる
このスレで　拙者敵わない
残念ながら　最低
フッフッフッ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054231
僭越ながら自閉症じゃないと思います。
ただただ反社会的な奴でしょう、おまえ。
フッハ

[Anonymous No.]

オリヴィア兄って

ネットではイケメンだね

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20054198
lol here ill help you make your dream of everyone being jamal a reality

yung jamal or w/e#1cedupb1ade5

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054198
i hate jamal and i don't type like him so i don't know how you confused us.

[Anonymous No.]

愛と正義は必ず勝つ！！！

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

why would you hate me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054318
the person you're responding to basically accuses anyone they disagree with of being random people they know the names of
they're an unmedicated schizophrenic and they've been here for years
welcome to djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054155
拙者の日本語は最高ーーーぺらぺらでしょう

残念ながら　アノン氏の頭ちょーーー悪いですよねでござる

君ら　うっせ

[Anonymous No.]

i just finished my last new words on core6k what do i do now

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054375
nice, now you can start learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys think I am wasting my time memorizing how to write ~2000+ vocab? It is by far the most tedious thing I'm doing.

[Anonymous No.]

learning one or two words a day just isnt keeping me interested when i read キノの旅. can you guys recommend me a new novel or LN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054406
im a beginner btw

[Anonymous No.]

i dont want to reread yotsuba because theres too much hiragana which is tiring

does this mean i made it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054406
Read 星織ユメミライ if you're cool with vns.
It's an insanely good source of new daily life vocab. Probably the best one I've ever come across.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054422
No, it means you don't understand Japanese and you rely on kanji to make sense of sentence structure instead of actually understanding sentence structure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054422
君が間違えるでござる

「Re: ゼロから始める異世界生活」は拙者の一番好きな本でござる

読めろ

残念ながら　？？？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054431
they're self conscious of the fact that they're reading yotsuba of course they don't understand japanese
good job trying to avoid saying "you don't know japanese" btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054443
>you don't know japanese
I literally said that. I'm just giving him a reason why instead of just being a dick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054422
no it just means you don't do enough listening practice
why would you ever want to reread anything though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054452
if you were trying not to be a dick you wouldn't say that they don't understand japanese, regardless of whether you think it's the reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054455

i have depression and dont enjoy anything new

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>>20054461
>trying not to be a dick
Reread my post. There is one important word you missed. Hint: it starts with J

[Anonymous No.]

man core 6k is full of newspaper words that I will never use and forget once the interval reaches 5month+ since i never actually see or use them irl..

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054468

i find i benefit from it a lot more when im reading manga from the 90s and earlier

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>>20054467
nope, i didn't miss a word
try acting like a person instead of roleplaying as an argumentative autist on 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054496
he may have been mean but it was a good post

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054496
Alright since you still didn't get it.
The english word "just" implies that something may be true, but it is not the only thing that is true. If I am not just trying to be a dick, I am still being a dick, but the word "just" is a modifier which implies there is a secondary descriptor for my actions aside from "dick". It should also be implied that my intention was to be helpful. To explain the sentence explicitly, it would be something like: I was being a dick, and I was also being helpful. That is an odd way of explaining that situation so I worded it more appropriately.

I sincerely hope this helps you with your second language. Knowing these subtleties will greatly help you avoid awkward situations in the future.

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>>20054511
mean posts masquerading as good posts are a large part of what killed djt
be mean to people who are trying to force djt to adopt fucked up ideas like "memorize 3k worsd before reading!", not people who are asking for help or evaluation
>>20054522
yeah dude whatever you say i grew up speaking english and putting some hedging words into everything you say just so you can divert people's attention away from what you're actually doing isn't gonna cut it

[Anonymous No.]

now that i think about it i can't tell if he really thinks i'm esl or he's just continuing to roleplay the argumentative autist so i'm gonna hope jamal picks up my mess for me (despite jamal being part of what killed djt)

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>>20054527
>yeah dude whatever you say i grew up speaking english and putting some hedging words into everything you say just so you can divert people's attention away from what you're actually doing isn't gonna cut it
All of this because you misread a post. You're one of those guys that just doesn't know when to quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054522
英語の喧嘩　超面白い　クサクサクサ

このスレ　DETと申します　かもしれありません

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

jamals on vacation this thread dont ping me unless its important

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054422
>>20054443
>>20054471
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

nevermind he's actually just an idiot
>>20054537
you're the one that can't read dude
when i said "trying not to be a dick", that doesn't mean "trying to not be a dick", these phrases actually mean very different things
i'll leave figuring out the difference as homework to the reader, ganbattene

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054550
>when i said "trying not to be a dick", that doesn't mean "trying to not be a dick"
Still incorrect. I was not "trying not to be a dick". Try again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054579
is that the best you can do

[Anonymous No.]

My Japanese seems to not be getting through to this thread so I have to use the クソ language of english. Stop arguing about english, nobody cares. So what is you つもり for learning nipponese?

[Anonymous No.]

he was saying he was trying to be a dick and also be helpful. OK, i've now settled the dispute.

[Anonymous No.]

/ping -t jamal

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

[Anonymous No.]

by the way they meant they were trying not to be just some random dick, not that they added stuff to their post so that it contained things other than them being a dick, this is exactly where they hedged their bets and it's something i used to do constantly back when i was the thread's resident argumentative autist

honestly the latter would be a lot more worrying than the former

i shall leave you now, be one with the moege and treat each other kindly unlike i did to you once upon a time

[Anonymous No.]

http://medaka.5ch.net/wres/subback.html

How do I change my settings so I have a Japanese ip to post here?

[Anonymous No.]

his phrasing explicitly means that he was both trying to be a dick AND to help. if you're saying that he wanted to be a dick, and threw in a little bit of help for plausible deniability, or to get away with being a dick, or maybe he was helpful but it wasn't even one of his intentions, then OK.

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>>20054638
The fact that he got into a semantics argument over his own post reveals that it wasn't okay. He was actually ready to brutalize anyone who didn't respond submissively to his aggressive post. Acting like this is cancerous and kills communities.

[Anonymous No.]

im pretty sure you guys can drop this i want to help learners facade because literally anywhere else even int and reddit does a better job so yeah this has always been and will always be shitposting with a tinge of japanese flavor general

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>>20054652
>>20054653
you're probably right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20053953
I'm legit thinking about dropping my 2 years of french studies in favor of picking up either russian or jap, but since I cant access the lessons in the fucking pushkin institute site I guess I'll go with moonrunes.

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>>20054663
japanese takes five times as long to reach fluency as french so good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054663
Why don't you do both Japanese and French? After two years you probably know French right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054382
>>20054468
getting real tired of these posts

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054758
nice now you can finally leave djt and start learning japanese

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>>20054762
It's the opposite for me, Core6k has helped me so much.

There have been a lot of useless words, but still more words I'm seeing than not.

When will this meme die.

[Anonymous No.]

i did it brehs. i subs2srs compelling bukakked the whole first episode in two days and now i just watched it and understood it all.

i really feel my powerlevel rising these days.

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>>20054800
in that time you could have watched like 10 episodes

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>>20054796
feels good starting a vocab deck and realizing how much it helps and knowing i can safely dismiss all the trolls here telling beginners not to do vocab decks.

[Anonymous No.]

Maybe I could try learning Japanese again... At the very least go for the N1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054805
but would have never gotten that level of understanding out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054816
if you understood 25% of it that's 2.5x more comprehensible input in the same amount of time

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>>20054805
I've watched 100-200 times more raw episodes than that and haven't gotten as much out of it as he probably did drilling 1 or 2 episodes. And I'm not exaggerating.

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>>20054806
It's taken me about two years to finish the deck. Due to life issues I had to put the deck on hold, but I'm about to finish it in a month or so.

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>>20054831
that's two years you could have spent reading and watching japanese content, you can't be serious in thinking this is something to recommend to beginners

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>>20054852
You think I haven't been reading and watching this entire time?

I treat the deck as a supplement, not the main course.

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>>20054796
Because you couldn't simply mine the useful ones when reading keeping the trash out right.

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>>20054858
how long did you spend on this deck in total? you have lost hundreds of hours of input, not to mention the countless lost hours of burnout from drilling a shitty anki deck that was so boring you had to put it on hold

[Anonymous No.]

What did she say here to make it translate to that?
All I heard was:
バカ, しぬきか?

[Anonymous No.]

Can you stop changing the OP for no reason, please? Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054888
I want to fuck Felt.

Also subs are garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054888
死ぬ気か？

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>>20054888
>死ぬ気

>き【気】の意味
>何かをしようとする、また何かしたいと思う心の動き。つもり。「どうする気だ」「やる気がある」

[Anonymous No.]

Watching anime without subtitles is a hundred times more useful than watching anime with Japanese subtitles, let alone English.

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>>20054931
inb4 someone counters with a completely worthless study with a tiny sample size and a tiny time window

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>>20054931
explain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054931
What's wrong with watching with Japanese subtitles?

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>>20054909
Ohhhh, I would have easily know that if she said something like 気味, 気分
>>20054936
It think it would just feel really easy. But would make me lost without it? like here I had no idea what she meant.

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>>20054936
When a theory is supported by a study with a sample size of zero it's worthless compared to anything that even bothers to have a sample size of "tiny."

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>>20054942
>>20054944
The whole point of listening, as opposed to reading, is listening. Subtitles hinder that because you are tempted to read them and pay less attention to sound. That's especially a problem if your visual comprehension is better than audial, which will likely be the case if you followed the most common DJT study routine.

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>>20054955
what? no it doesn't. they're equally worthless. well, except if the former tracks a longer period of time.

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>>20054955
literally every theory in these threads is supported by observations involving an effective sample size of zero

>>20054957
>That's especially a problem if your visual comprehension is better than audial,
literally the same fucking problem would apply if someone happened to have better audio comprehension than visual comprehension, it's a complete fucking non-argument

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>>20054962
If your audio comprehension is better than visual you'll probably not pay attention to subs at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054957
This is wrong because you will always get the audio input before the reading.

The subs are merely a visual anchor for the audio. Quite often i could derive a meaning from the kanji - but not from the audio.

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>>20054966
maybe if you're too retarded to walk and chew gum at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054969
>Quite often i could derive a meaning from the kanji - but not from the audio.
Yes, this is exactly the problem I am talking about

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>>20054983
so you get an instant lookup of the word you didn't know, allowing you to reinforce the connection between ねこ and cat without going through 猫 first, and correctly identify the ねこ the next time you encounter it in audiovisual media

which then cripples you for life and ensures you will NEVER learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

the better your reading comprehension, the easier acquiring listening comprehension becomes

forcing yourself to watch raw anime early and understanding fuck all is not compelling content

don't believe matt

[Anonymous No.]

i illustrated the prevailing theory in this thread just so we could all visually marvel and how unfounded and retarded it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054691
yeah I can get arounf pretty good but after some time I think I lost all interest in french.

>>20054685
fug

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054663
There's a huge language thread on /t/ with a shit ton of resources for Russian so maybe you can use that instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055016
i kinda want to say fuck listening practice and just focus on reading practice for the next year, then go back to listening, and then develop a decent accent just to show him he's a balding faggot who's wrong about early reading crippling your accent.

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>>20055047
honestly if anything is going to cripple your accent it's probably early production

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055052
Why do you think so?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055044
FOR REAL? its been ages since I last checked /t/, I'll give it a look thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055061
my guess - apropos of nothing - is that if you get exposed to too much shitty accented japanese early on (especially your own) you'll internalize said shitty accented japanese rather than properly accented japanese

[Anonymous No.]

i dunno how you guys look at all the average lazy normalfag learners who probably dont even know about pitch accent and then think its proof that if you dont talk properly from day 0 youre going permanently damaging your accent i thought this place had more neurons than that

[Anonymous No.]

I was cleaning my room and found a shirt with the ddoll from monogatari series and it says
> カタは着る
What is カタ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055086
there's definitely people who have picked up pitch accent without knowing what it is just by imitating the recitation of the japanese they hear, the same way small children pick up pitch accent before they know what it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055116
im sure there are its just so sad to see people get boogeymaned by dumb shit like how normalfags piss themselves over jouyou

[Anonymous No.]

im going to learn French

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055216
the bad decisions you made while learning japanese not only crippled your ability to learn japanese, you'll never be able to learn any other language either

within a few years you won't even know english anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055221
unless he goes into mandarin which will come easier to him

[Anonymous No.]

So what do you guys think about if I watch anime without subs now. Then later before sleeping I will read the same light novel. This way I get to know what's happening without losing the benefit of listening practice at 100%.

[Anonymous No.]

My image got deleted.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054800
I think I should do this for at least a few episodes. I've watched over 100 hours of raw anime now, but I've been thinking that really learning everything in 1 episode and watching it would be helpful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054822
The percent of input you understand doesn't matter nearly as much as the percent of formerly unfamiliar input you understand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054800
What is this magic?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055289
Sorry, I reported it

[Anonymous No.]

Start reading a light novel and suddenly you know a lot less Japanese than you'd thought you did.

[Anonymous No.]

i'm reading a VN day 1 and don't know any japanese

[Anonymous No.]

im writing award winning novels in japanese but i cant even read what im writing

[Anonymous No.]

Anons, I need help. I have an exercise about Nさえ～ば form and I have to fill in the sentence:
「＿＿＿さえ＿＿＿ば仕事おやめて、農業をやりたいです。」I'm not sure if I'm getting it right. Does it mean something like " If I ___[had etc.] ____ then I would want to quit my job and go into agriculture."? Dafuq am I supposed to put there?

[Anonymous No.]

imouto
are

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055523
do you have any choices?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055548
Not in this one. I just have to complete the sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055523
i'm n6 dude i can't help you

[Anonymous No.]

I've been reading the same 14 Yotsuba chapters for a year because I have no idea where to find the rest

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055523
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/even

Not sure the words you're supposed to add but this should help you

[Anonymous No.]

So I've come across times where someone ends with te-form without it being a request, attaching something (including the possibility of trailing off or continuing it in another bubble), etc. I was wondering about that.

Like this, for example. What is the purpose of it here? Do people use it automatically when they're pissed sometimes?

[Anonymous No.]

vncore would be improved if it didn't try to use kanji for words that are typically written in hiragana like 沢山

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>>20055601
and yes it usually notes on the back if it's typically written in kana or not but it's still training you to recognize the kanji even though the kanji is rare enough that it makes more sense to train you to recognize the kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055523
>ホモさえじゃなければ仕事おやめて、農業をやりたいです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055597
please fucking stop with this shit already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055593
It kind of helps to clear up the form, so thanks anon. Still, who the fuck came up with this task. I don't want to go into agriculture. The next tasks also pisses me off. The same form; asks about what I and people in general would need to be happy.
>>20055612
Very funny, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055523
In the end, I went with:「農業をやりたい感じさえあれば仕事おやめて、農業をやりたいです。」

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>>20055330
breh... you have no idea.

i have eaten first 3 episodes of KLK and you cannot imagine what kind of kerosine of motivation it is to watch it with subs understand it all.
then recently i tried to watch without subs and still understood about 85%.

the words and grammar sticks like glue if comes with your favourites

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20055658
lmfao

[Anonymous No.]

Fill in the blank with the correct particle, either 「は」、 「も」、 or 「が」

ジム）　アリス　　誰？
ボブ）　友達だ。彼女 　アリスだ
　
アリス）　これ　　　何？
ボブ）　それ　　　鉛筆。
アリス）　あれ　　　鉛筆？
ボブ）　あれ　　　ペンだ。
　
アリス）　図書館　　　どこ？
ボブ）　ここ　　　図書館だ。
アリス）　そこ　　　図書館じゃない？
ボブ）　そこじゃない。図書館　　　ここだ。

[Anonymous No.]

im not doing your jp 101 hw for you

[Anonymous No.]

based jamal laying his boot down

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

post hentai pics of アリス

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

8 months in and I only just learned 靴

[Anonymous No.]

thats aritu

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

no thats aerith chan (rip T-T)

[Anonymous No.]

dude spoilers

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

shes fuckin dead dude and shes never coming back

just like nagisa

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055701
アリス、誰？
友達だ。彼女もアリスだ。

これって何？
それが鉛筆。
あれが鉛筆？
あれもペンだ。

[Anonymous No.]

yeah nice try i know cloud gathers enough favors to wish her back shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055742
i knew it 2 months in thanks to RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

Usually when I get spoilers it just makes things more fun.

[Anonymous No.]

oh boi not this fag again

[Anonymous No.]

Can you guys stop using DJT as a shitposting chatroom for just one day?

[Anonymous No.]

I used to shill for **** here a few months back when I was doing RTK. Good times.

[Anonymous No.]

The temptation to interact with japanese porn artists on twitter is high, but resist it. You dont know their etiquette and you will get blocked

[Anonymous No.]

did u ask mizuryu kei to stop making harpy feet cause i feel like youd prob get blocked for that

[Anonymous No.]

>と思います

[Anonymous No.]

i said ki ga suru not to omoimasu fuck you baka nekomega

[Anonymous No.]

what's tae kim's end game?

[Anonymous No.]

Readng Japanese from Japanese manga isn't reading by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055844
i missed a day a few weeks ago, so it's possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055960

[Anonymous No.]

始まりの終わり
Is this more of beginning of the end or more like end of the beginning?

[Anonymous No.]

How many of you can actually SPEAK Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

but 4chan is an english speaking website

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055992
Only one person, and that is of course Me aka the nihongo doctor. I don't give appointments to scrubs though, so you better not even get your hopes up.

[Anonymous No.]

Why haven't you set your Interval Modifier to 180% yet? Do you enjoy spending more time in Anki than you need to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055603
>train you to recognize the kana.

Are you fucking retarded? If you know the reading then you'll recognize the kana

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056065
one is more instant than the other.

[Anonymous No.]

>post a method on djt
>2 months later everyone complains it hasn't worked and why
can cross that off my things to try when i start learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

恋しましょ
粘りましょ

[Anonymous No.]

Here's the new method: jack off while doing anki but you're not allowed to nut until you finish all your reviews and new cards. Matt told me this is capable of up to quadrupling retention, but i forgot to screenshot it before he deleted the discord.

[Anonymous No.]

that's not a secret, people have been doing that with visual novels since the beginning

[Anonymous No.]

>playing a vn to jerk
Haha yeah man nothin gets me going like 45 minute long explanations of economics and pseudoscience

[Anonymous No.]

^this guy probs cant even last 3 minutes pour one out for our limp comrades plays bugle half masts flag shoots gun in air

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056190
you either don't know shit about the average VN or cherry-picked a couple very non-standard VNs for the sole purpose of shitposting and either way this is not a good post

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

shoulda played aqua blue ftw

[Anonymous No.]

Im fucking in tears over here either you guys are so entry level you are mixing up nukige and eroge or you're literally horny enough to jack off to the slightest bit of famservice between the actual fuck scenes

Shit uhhh i mean uhhh *jacks off to You's sprite while she asks if i want to see her 3rd eye*

[Anonymous No.]

i really miss old school /djt/
i hate everyone in this thread nowadays.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20056260
heres what i jack off to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOexc2RnGSk

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056275
what exactly am i watching jamal?
music from a videogame made from terabyte disks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056264
Same, bunch of memers

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056260
>he didn't jack off to the pure love shared between when Tomoya and Nagisa when they lived together
What are you, a fag?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

quick make the entry levelest post u can

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to replay Ever17 in Japanese. Someday.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw skipped katakana

[Anonymous No.]

asterisk links to rap music asterisk

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20056341
dont do it youll just feel really fuckin bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056332
nihongo wo hanashimasu ka?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056341
Not gonna lie it really looks like she's dabbing in the thumbnail

[Anonymous No.]

Looking through my Ever17 folder I realize how much I miss old 4chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056332
i think VNs have a lot of sex in them

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056352
why's that jamal?
is it because i'll never see them again?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

bc that shit was about as amateur hour as it gets

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056341
this game brings back memories

[Anonymous No.]

> いずれ裏切ることは分かっていた　それがこんな形になろうとはな　
What is this saying exactly? Something about expecting betrayal
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055601
I've seen 沢山 plenty. If the word has even a slight chance of showing up in kanji, then it's worth learning the kanji version of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055603
>train you to recognize the kana
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/learn/kana.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056489
>それがこんな形になろうとはな　
それがこんな形になろうとは思わなかった

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056341
I'd also like to replay it in moon, along with G-Senjou no Maou and Little Busters! (Ecstasy version which never got TL'd).

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056529
is LB! worth playing even though i got spoiled on the crazy twist ending?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

*pushes up glasses* litbus is definitely about the journey and not the *snorts* destination

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056492
>I've seen 沢山 plenty
a beginner isn't going to.
>then it's worth learning the kanji version of it.
not for a beginner. it's just a worthless distraction.

[Anonymous No.]

tangoreader is an excellent app for reading NHK easy. furigana, highlight words by JLPT level( I usually set it to N3 as I'm about n4 level) and being able to bookmark articles is fucking badass

[Anonymous No.]

tatoeba kimi ga irudake koko ga tuyokunareru koto

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056562
If that beginner plans to read VNs (which presumably they do if they're doing VN Core), then they absolutely will see 沢山.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056562
>A worthless distraction

It literally takes less time to learn the kanji version, especial if you've already done rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056538
I want to say "yes". I really enjoyed it when I played it and there wasn't a single character or route that I didn't like. From my own subjective perspective at least, I feel like the journey leading up to the twist is enjoyable enough on its own that it's worth playing even if you know what ultimately happens in the end. But that may just be my personal bias speaking.

One of my only complaints is that the best girl never had a route in the original game which is one of the reasons why I really want to play Ecstasy at some point. I'm putting it off for now though until my reading speed gets quite a bit better because it's a really long game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056570
i've yet to see it, and my guess is that by the time i see it i'll no longer be a beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056591
>i've yet to see it
What have you read so far?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056594
1/20th of leyline.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056562
there's no such thing as wasted learning in japanese. there's no such thing as a word you don't need to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056599
Well there you go. You're in no position to be dictating what's useful and what isn't when your only exposure to native content consists of a small part of a single VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056600
there's such a thing as retarded priority, i.e. bothering with the kanji forms for common words that are typically kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056615
"common words that are typically kana" are a myth, especially if you consume otaku media where the authors love to throw that kind of shit around to look more "elevated"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056614
that doesn't make any sense. as a beginner deck vncore is intended for people like me. i know better than you whether or not it's teaching something useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056630
沢山 actually does show up in leyline though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056630
You happened to pick a VN which uses たくさん instead of 沢山 (so far, at least), but not everyone chooses to read Leyline as their first VN. You are operating under the faulty assumption that everyone is going to do VN Core and then read the exact same thing that you're reading, and that therefore what isn't useful to you isn't useful to them. This is wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056639
i should learn it when i come across it instead of drilling it as a beginner, while having to pause slightly when i see the kana because i'm not drilling it.
>>20056648
>You are operating under the faulty assumption that everyone is going to do VN Core and then read the exact same thing that you're reading,
no, i'm operating under the correct assumption that たくさん is far more common and so people are far more likely to encounter it than　沢山.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056659
>no, i'm operating under the correct assumption that たくさん is far more common and so people are far more likely to encounter it than　沢山.
But they are still likely (guaranteed, even) to encounter 沢山 so it is worth learning. Just because the kana form is more common doesn't mean that the kanji form is uncommon. Both are common in this case, it's just that the kana form is a bit more common. You have practically no experience with native material so stop trying to dictate from your ignorance what is and isn't useful when you know nothing.

Your argument might have a point in the case of 麒麟 vs. キリン, but that's about it.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else doing AMATT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056677
>so it is worth learning
later. right now i'd be better off replacing the kanji on the front of the card with the kana on the back. because that's what's actually useful right now as a beginner.
>You have practically no experience with native material so stop trying to dictate from your ignorance what is and isn't useful when you know nothing.
this makes no sense. whether a word's kana or kanji is more common has nothing to do with my anecdotes. it's just a fact that the kana is more common.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056690
Are you a bit mentally special?

[Anonymous No.]

you should be reading japanese right now, not english. if you're in this thread and your name isn't jamal get the fuck out and go read

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056692
i'm puzzled by his counter argument because it has nothing to do with my point which was always about priority. he's so stupid that i don't know why he bothered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056696
Hi Matt

[Anonymous No.]

just edit your cards, it's not like core6k where it spells words that are almost always in kanji in practice in kana
there's no such thing asa shared deck exactly because of things like this btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056696
i already read an hour today. i'm just checking on everyone that's not reading.

[Anonymous No.]

I know how to avoid crippling your accent.

When you read only try to get a sense for the grammar while ignoring the words as much as possible. I'm a genius.

[Anonymous No.]

>needing cards for それ、沢山、有る、etc.

Holy fuck you can't go 3 pages without running into these words, why would you need spaced repetition to remember them?

[Anonymous No.]

don'y bully beginners

[Anonymous No.]

Remember to read for an ABSOLUTE BARE MINIMUM of 20 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

20 minutes is actually a sane "absolute bare minimum"

[Anonymous No.]

Read until you've mined your quota

[Anonymous No.]

don't stop reading just because you hit some stupid quota, read whatever you want for at least as long as you want
you can add more requirements onto that but there's never a reason to stop if you want to keep going

[Anonymous No.]

We're talking about bare minimum requirements not pleasure reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054155
I've honestly considered trying wanikani because I feel like spending money is the only way I can motivate myself. I've tried learning multiple times, but I always get hung up on figuring out what the best method is that I psyche myself out before I really begin. Its a shame too because the content I want to consume isn't complicated and I would be enjoying it right now if I had some backbone.

[Anonymous No.]

pleasure reading is the bare requirement

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055592
Manga isn't reading buddy.

>>20055960
This guy gets it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054800
Can you understand any of those words in a completely different context?

[Anonymous No.]

So I only know a couple words thanks to anime but I have settled it and want to start learning japanese. How many hours should I dedicate everyday?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057147
2 at a minimum

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055597
a verb + yagaru/tte adds an air of contempt for that action when committed by others

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057147
8 hours of anime every day until you hit 10000 hours watched

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057147
About tree fiddy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057182
Alright thanks. I'm going to start with ajatt you think that's a good starting point?

>>20057232
>>20057234
I bet you faggots can't even speak Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057274
Oh you were just shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057284
??

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055523
あたしのでばんかな

「家族と世間さえ納得するならばお役御免で、農業をやりたいです」

仕事をやめるという

にほんごはつかわない

[Anonymous No.]

Don't feed the college shitters.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you feel about this

[Anonymous No.]

Feels like communism.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck? do I have to learn russian now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057708
スパシーバしかしらない

ダー、ニェト

[Anonymous No.]

>Japanese regions, prefectures, noteworthy cities deck
Is this worth doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057708
うむ、ロリコンは心の病気で性犯罪予備軍です
逮捕するべきなのです

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057762
ちょっと待ってろおえ、ああいう見えても18歳ですよ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057625
College shitters have a small but positive chance of one day being reasonable posters. The existing shitters here will never change.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't fucking believe the 沢山 discussion, or really that any of you fuckers care at all (but I guess I'm here so I care too).

The reason that 沢山 is taught instead of たくさん is that if you learn 沢山 you get たくさん for free but not the other way around. The fact that this might cause a beginner to learn たくさん is entirely fucking irrelevant because pretty much EVERYBODY will know what たくさん means within one month of learning Japanese even through the most retarded method you can think of. There are people who don't speak a fucking word of Japanese who know what たくさん means. Nobody should ever have to put たくさん on a fucking flashcard and if 沢山 is it's for the sole purpose of teaching people the uncommon reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057806
>The fact that this might cause a beginner to learn たくさん
the fact that this might cause a beginner to learn たくさん more slowly*

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057736
I barely even know where most of my country's cities or even states are located, I don't see why that would be useful unless you're trying to study for some kind of geography test. I mean, if you're studying Japanese as a hobby you should already have a pretty good idea of where Osaka or Sapporo is located.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057823
nice selfie my dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057831
why are you commenting your own selfie?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057831
actually its a screenshot of this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057806
People feeling the need to complain about such trivial things this early should stop wasting their time and give up.

[Anonymous No.]

chill out
just edit the card if you don't like it, it even tells you it's usually in hiragana

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

anybody want to watch some manga?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056991
>>20056995
>20 minutes a day
Maybe you'll be able to read shounen manga in 10 years.

[Anonymous No.]

If you want to succeed you need to read high quality content for 10h a day.

[Anonymous No.]

if you're not studying for 28h a day you're not gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057920
you don't understand what "absolute bare minimum" means

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057984
I assumed it meant the minimum you'd have to do to actually make it. I don't consider you having made it if you can barely read shonen in a decade of study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057998
anon i could read shounen with ease after reading manga for 20 minutes a day for just two months
your assumptions are pure bullshit

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJrCImJV-sc

[Anonymous No.]

>>20053953
hey, can I ask you something, guys? can you translate something for me?

in https://youtu.be/xyIEbcwz_n8?t=1h22m20s from the time stamp until 1:23:08 Haino-san talks about the difference
between live playing and recording, but then he swiftly changes the topic to discipline and time.
I think the subs are missing something, but I can't transcribe what he is saying and the aren't any japanese captions.

i hope I'm not asking you for too much >.>

[Anonymous No.]

>>20055351
subs2srs

>>20057127
yes. sometimes its just a faint trace but this gets strengthened with every new context.
sometimes it just snaps completely intuitive because of the drills and then it feels like magic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20057919
Yeah

>>20057920
>>20058051
That's cool and all but manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058086

Fortunately, I'm hungry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058051
Prove it

[Anonymous No.]

this is trending in japan

another beginner friendly post

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058051
You could read shounen with ease after 20 hours of reading? I don't believe you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058144
*And 3 months of anki and Genki

Forgot to mention lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058162
ところが、easeとは辞書を使うことです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058162
Still don't buy it. you're not reading anything with ease after 20 hours of input, that's like 5 volumes of yotsuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058162
don't pretend to be me you fucker
>>20058144
sure did, and i did do basic grammar and vocab study but that's a given
>>20058126
even if i somehow recorded my every action during those days and posted it you'd say i faked it because nobody would ever actually collect proof for such an assertion ahead of time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058179
>sure did, and i did do basic grammar and vocab study but that's a given
So actually you studied beginner grammar for x months then you read for 2 months, THEN you could read beginner text.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058201
more like a week and a half dude

[Anonymous No.]

Shounen manga isn't "beginner text".

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058213
Yeah it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058219
Uh huh. Totally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058233
>Every kanji has furigana
>Hardest grammar is the combination of the だ and　な particles
Holy shit dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058233
Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058259
Translate it if it's so trivial, nerd. Don't worry, a horribly literal or memetastic translation is fine, as long as it shows that you actually understand it. Oh, you can't.
>>Hardest grammar is the combination of the だ and　な particles
Also if you actually think this part then you definitely misunderstood the second to last panel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058271
No thanks, I don't have to prove anything because anyone above beginner level knows that page is beginner shit. The only "hard" words are names of places.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058284
>I'm right because I say so
It's okay anon, you don't have to defend your every breath to the death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058288
Im sorry you think youre not a beginner because you read stuff with two short clause sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058299
I'm sorry you think I actually read this crap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058304
>he thinks this is above beginner because he cant read it
Oh shiiiiiiit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058271
dont move i aint gonna cap ur ass or nothin
we the peeps who keep the streets clean
some jiggaboos been runnin up on my homies corners while they tryina sling
it was your black ass wasnt it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058309
Who are you quoting? I never said or implied that. It's obviously very easy for me to read.

It's okay, though, anon. The road to fluency is a long and hard one. You'll get there some day.
ずっとお待ちしておりますよ。地獄があるならまた会おうぜ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058332
>ます
>おう
草

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058351
あなた、まじですか。

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058332
Mixing formality sounds a little odd, in case you weren't aware.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058408
少年漫画の台詞だぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058415
Right then, godspeed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058319
good job btw jamal

[Anonymous No.]

or should i say GJだね、ジャマールちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058415
>He thinks it's not weird because he saw it in a shonen

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058595
If something appeared in native material it's alright to use at least online.

[Anonymous No.]

ほんをよもー

https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001475/files/53150_60883.html

[Anonymous No.]

it's almost like quoting famous lines in unorthodox contexts is a thing

[Anonymous No.]

fuck
this
shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054663
Fuck Russian, it's not worth even a second of trouble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058233
>eek
>Don't move! I won't kill you.
>We are the selected knight group of the public defense.
>Lately there's been numerous bandits near the empire and city trade routes.
>Is your your doing, huh?
Reading: 20 seconds, had to zoom in to the furigana of one word.
Translation into English: Like 3 minutes because I don't translate often.
This is beginner stuff, friend.

t. N3 literal dekinai who could read your manga in half a minute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058740
No you couldn't manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

I was looking for the kanji wall Medaka Box page but this one will have to do.

[Anonymous No.]

now n*ke is wasting his time reading drama transcripts with the audio playing.

https://youtu.be/UFzqUUG0yGw?t=3m37s

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058786
can you call this reading tho?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058740
- 治安警備 is a specific term.
- Assignment, not selection.
- You seem to have merged 治安 and 自衛, but they do different things.
- You're dropping words all over the place. "Independent Trade Cities" can't be simplified like you did.
- You misunderstood 帝国と独立交易都市の区間.
- You ignored 商隊.

>>20058759
Good post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058755
If reading isn't manga, then fuck reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058814
nothing is reading on jp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058849
>Complaining about dropped words and slight alterations during translations
Epic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058759
This isn't difficult either, it's just a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

So what do you unironically do each day for study? Besides the 10000 hours of anime each day of course.

[Anonymous No.]

the curse is finally broken. i skipped my anki reps for a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058938
Those alterations were signs of not understanding what they were reading at a literal level, not creative choices. Like, >>20058319 was completely fine, because the alterations were based on a correct literal understanding of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058962
Enjoy your double reps tomorrow, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058966

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058964
Your complaints aren't due to a hypothetical lack of understanding, but because you're hellbent on cherry picking any little mistake from a self-proclaimed N3 just to try and prove that shonen manga is for big boys. Even if we agree that every mistake you pointed out is in fact a mistake due to a misunderstanding of what's being said, the fact remains that most of the translation is correct and it was done in such a short amount of time. But hey, keep lying to yourself about just how good you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058759
しょうぎょうヤンデレはいらない

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058975
Sorry I called you a faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058995
it's ok im not mad

[Anonymous No.]

げんいんがあってヤンデレがうまれてしまって

うれたのであって

うれるためにヤンデレをかいてはいけない

って

つたわる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20058991
"most of the translation is correct" really isn't saying much considering that 80% of any random text is going to be incredibly easy.

If a beginner can't understand a page of shounen manga, is that shounen manga really "beginner" level material? That's what they were trying to say, they could understand it so of course it is. But they didn't literally understand it. They were filling in the gaps.

This is, of course, what it should be like while you're reading, and constant exposure makes you realize what you're getting wrong and what it actually means. In that sense, if N3-san read something like this, they would probably learn a lot from it.

Until you reach a native-like level, everything you find has something for you to learn from, and you're always going to misunderstand something somewhere. I picked that page precisely because of 帝国と独立交易都市の区間.

I'm not mad or anything, and I'm not making fun of N3-san for having N3-level Japanese. I'm just trying to make a point. "Shounen manga" is an absurdly broad category, and random stuff like "does it have furigana?" and "are almost all the words common?" aren't good ways of guessing whether a beginner or intermediate will understand it well. Even within a single series, or a single volume, you're going to have a huge variation in how hard things are to understand.

You can't make blanket statements that an entire category of media is for beginners or advanced learners or any level. There are novels that are easier to read than Yotsuba. There are manga that are harder to read than 人間失格. And the closer you get to ordinary everyday Japanese the harder it is to say how hard it is for a JSL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059037
>I picked that page specifically because it had a difficult clause in it.
>The entire manga isn't beginner level because it had a difficult panel
Also funny how you completely ignored the other guy's translation for 3 hours because you only wanted to acknowledge something with a mistake in it. And you're trying to say you aren't intentionally trying to twist facts, what a fucking joke. Fun fact, even Bob the fucking Builder has occasional lines of dialogue that a 3 year old probably won't understand, that doesn't mean it's adult-level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059058
Okay, have this randomly selected page from earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059067
Literally kill yourself if you think I'm going to give you more of my time when you clearly have an agenda.
>Oh fuck this guy actually translated it so fast, I better ignore it.
>This other guy made a mistake though, I can use this to prove my point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059037
太宰はＮ＋＋＋くらい

きついよ

だざい、くらいし

[Anonymous No.]

>Anyone who can't understand my manga pages is wrong, anyone who can is also wrong because loser you get to ordinary everyday Japanese the harder it is to say how hard it is for a JSL.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059077
I ignored the first one because they weren't part of the conversation and they knew they did well.

I didn't go after "the other guy" for just making a mistake, I responded because they was gloating about how easy it was and how fast they read it, like they proved that I picked something that was easy after all and I should've known it was easy. Not so. They actually demonstrated a lack of literal understanding of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>samefagging
pace yourself bro

[Anonymous No.]

i've been reading for an entire month and had no idea how to read that manga page. never gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059160
are you the leyline guy
don't worry about it, it takes time
you're gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

How can core be bad if I know 1800 more words than I did 5 months ago?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059217
10000 hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059037
Hold the phone, this entire thing started when anon said that reading shounen manga would take 10 years at 20 minutes of study per day. Then you (I assume it was you) posted that manga page as if shounen manga wasn't beginner material (I'm not arguing for or against here).
After he failed to translate it, you say, and I quote: " I'm just trying to make a point. "Shounen manga" is an absurdly broad category ... Even within a single series, or a single volume, you're going to have a huge variation in how hard things are to understand."
So barring that not all shounen is beginner level (you say yourself that they are different levels, so you agree at least some shounen is beginner level), nothing refuted that 20 minutes a day isn't enough.

[Anonymous No.]

６かげつでＮ５とれるって

うまいあのんがいってた

[Anonymous No.]

????!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059217
>only 1800 in 5 months

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059255
Sorry I actually like to learn the words instead of blasting through them and barely remembering anything, not knowing how to write them (and by extension, read them half the time), etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059241
I know you just reread the whole chain of events but I'm not the person who said it wasn't possible. You got confused somewhere between >>20058179 and >>20058233.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20057708
so moe i died

>>20057792
it must be nice to be so young as to believe people ever change

>>20058442
wasnt me just someone i inspired

>>20058962
good job dude its gonna be you dont need to take all that medicine the lying quack nihongo doctors tell you to take

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059293
everyone you inspired is jamal in spirit it's just like kingdom hearts

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059266
i didn't expect you to double down on that because you could easily learn to write and remember 1800 words in less than 5 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059266
Sounds like you're trying to cripple yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059290
I read it for the first time actually, please curb your persecution complex.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw nerds don't want to lose a pointless argument or let someone have the satisfaction of having won a pointless argument so they won't let it die

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059346
I just read it and saw that the original point wasn't refuted, chill out a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059349
What? No I'm not going to "chill out". I'm not losing this one buddy. Come at me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059357
Janken with me right now you fucking double nigger

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059334
I wasn't implying that you were part of it, I just assumed you skimmed the thread before you joined. Don't be so defensive.

[Anonymous No.]

at what level is it OK if I start trying to parse japanese imageboards and shit. serious question. i'll accept meme answers but slip in some actual advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059367
literally whenever you want
this is not a meme answer

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059363
You're being a little cancer right now, m80. The fight is over, you won, stop snapping at people now and let the thread be chill again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059372
Don't >> me.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

i ease up on the posting for barely a day and now the little birds are back to squawkin

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059374
Fucking you janken me too bitch, I pick rock.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

jyan ken pwn *unzips dick*

[Anonymous No.]

kung pow penis

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059380
I pick 次元交流天体爆裂

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059391
Fuck nigga only scrubs have to resort to cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059367
Ｄｏ　ｗｈａｔｅｖｅｒ　ｔｈｅ　ｆｕｃｋ　ｙｏｕ　ｗａｎｔ，　ｗｈｅｎｅｖｅｒ　ｙｏｕ　ｗａｎｔ．

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059037
もしもし not any of those anons です
I just wanna be sure I got 帝国と独立交易都市の区間 right
It's (literally) "a section of the 都市 where the 帝国 and the 独立 do their 交易", right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059402
独立交易都市 is just a single big noun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059407
Oh so 区間 is interval in this case then
And what did you mean by
>- 治安警備 is a specific term.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059412
>Oh so 区間 is interval in this case then
Check a J-J dictionary for 区間 instead. This is one of those times where J-E dictionaries can be misleading.
>And what did you mean by
>>- 治安警備 is a specific term.
https://www.google.com/search?q="治安警備"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059424
Oops I misread 独立 as a noun. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059407
no it's not. it would show up in yomichan if it were.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059457
Compound words exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059293

[Anonymous No.]

>>20056659

[Anonymous No.]

>>20054023
whatever reason i had is long gone

[Anonymous No.]

Top Tier:
Anki, Listening/viewing

High Tier:
Reading, Manga, VN's, Instruction based content

Mid Tier:
Jmusic, Vidya

Useless Tier:
English subbed anything, advice from djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059308
1800 words in 5 months is 12 words per day, not counting my vacation is more like 15 words per day. This is slightly below the average recommended of 20 but I have a job and other hobbies so I'm pretty happy with my progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059491
What about anki, listening/watching, and reading VNs at once?

[Anonymous No.]

たくさん is so common that even though the kanji spelling is way less common than the hiragana spelling it's still common in the absolute sense
this doesn't actually matter though, do whatever you want with your deck

[Anonymous No.]

Top tier:
VNs, raw anime
https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/131728572884

Useless tier:
Everything else
https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/139549834452
https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/115778276820

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059498
It's great that you're happy about it. It's just surprising it took you that long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059491
shit better pick anki back up

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059506
ok dropping anki again and reading more vns

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know where to find scans of Ore ga Suki nano wa Imouto dakedo Imouto ja Nai (LN version)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059508
Shouldn't be surprising at all. I believe the amount of people that want to learn Japanese, begin Anki, and stick with it for 5+ months for hours nearly every day is quite low. Takes a real passion and dedication to do that. But thanks for the semi-kind words I guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059506
>read eroge in Japanese (painstakingly)
Its not so painful when it's laid out in nice little flash cards for you already. I customized my anki to flash me random nudes when I get a few right in a row too. Makes it kind of fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059529
>for hours nearly every day
If Anki is taking you more than 20 minutes you are doing something wrong.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20059529
real passion and dedication is playing hentai games with all your free time every day

bein a flashtard is not passion

[Anonymous No.]

I read once that we all pretty much have photographic memories but our minds block out things. Getting words in your head vaguely means they're definetly in there and then you can start to get exposure to listening to it. Multiple inputs reinforce eachother exponentially.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059551
Why not do a little of everything? Create an atmosphere of reinforced learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059555
what you read is wrong and retarded

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20059571
because you cant be trusted to create an effective curriculum for yourself but fret not the best part is you dont even have to teach yourself nihongo itll teach you

[Anonymous No.]

>mining common words
Why? If they're common you'll learn then easily thru repetition anyway. You should mine uncommon words so you can know it next time you see it, which could be months from now.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

as long as you show up every day : )

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059574
Everyone does have photographic memory. Not everyone has eidetic memory. There's cases of people hitting their heads and getting 'brain damage' and having 100% recall. The potential is in you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059583
definitely not. mine common words so you can learn them faster and move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059547
You are full of shit and you're not fooling anyone. If you are learning the meanings, readings, and writing of 20+ new vocabulary, plus reviewing 100-200 cards with an 80-90% retention rate.. well there's no "if". That's not possible. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059606
in 20 minutes*

[Anonymous No.]

if you don't know it and it's common then it's more worth sticking in anki than something you don't know yet but isn't common
simply put if you're a year into reading and there are still common words that you don't "know" yet, then you shouldn't be drilling yourself with uncommon words. there are two obvious reasons and you can think of them on your own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059606
don't write during reviews.

[Anonymous No.]

I do 50 new cards everyday and delete my decks and start a new deck every month so I dont get bored. I'm on my 6th deck now and working on a custom deck. Only take me 2 hours each day. Theres overlap in the decks too so you they get easier in general as you go so you can start increasing the number of new cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059623
Even excluding the writing part it's nowhere near possible. I am not even willing to entertain that someone truly learns 20 vocab in 20 minutes, and even if that is accepted (which it shouldn't be), it means you are spam-clicking through the ~200 daily vocabulary as fast as you can. I'm sorry but the whole thing is absurd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059637
assuming you interact with cards 1.5x as much as reviews you have (so 200 reviews gets translated into 300 card answers once you take new cards and lapses into account) 200 reviews over 20 minutes turns into 4 seconds per card action

that's entirely reasonable

[Anonymous No.]

how do they teach たくさん in japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059641
200 reviews in 20 minutes is possible, although that requires you to know every card and not have to spend any time on any of them, which is unlikely.

But lets assume you are a god and you know all 200 inside and out. That still leaves no time for your daily new vocabulary, which at a minimum should be 20. So you're spending lets say 2 seconds per review, which is not gonna happen but lets just assume that because why the fuck not. You're leaving yourself 10 minutes to learn all of the new vocabulary. Not just skim, I mean learn. Not buying it.

The whole thing is so silly I don't even want to talk about it anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

yea don't talk about that. what really matters is you spent 5 months memorizing how to write 1800 words instead of spending that time exposing yourself to a lot more of the language, because you're a dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059665
i just gave you exact numbers and you redid it on your own but worse
there are plenty of people who do under 4 seconds per answer cycle during reviews, it's not weird or anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059665
I'm not very interested in this particular scenario (200 in 20m), but I'm one of the guys who advocate for 5s limits for recognition and getting the initial grasp of new vocab within 2 or 3 hits isn't strange to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059683
The original post was "if you're spending more than 20 minutes on anki per day you're doing it wrong".
Nobody said anything about ONLY review cards. Learning new cards should take even longer than the reviews. And 4 seconds is assuming 100% retention but you know what whatever, you can have that I don't care. The fact still stands that 20 minutes per day is dumb and not possible unless you're skimming.

>inb4 you should only skim anki goalpost

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059702
He already included a fail rate in that calculation

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059702
i wasn't part of that discussion, and my calculation included an estimate of the effects of failures and also new cards
i'm just trying to tell you that 200 new cards in 20m isn't unrealistic

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059711
>i'm just trying to tell you that 200 new cards in 20m isn't unrealistic
What what? I'm going to assume that was a typo. 200 new cards in 20 minutes is actually ridiculous.

I am willing to concede 20 minutes for 200 reviews (which is actually low-balling if you're far into anki, and 20 minutes for new cards per day. Which is a total of 40 minutes, not 20. And I'm even hesitant to say 40 is reasonable, but I suppose under optimal conditions every day it is possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059723
yeah that's a typo, it was supposed to be 200 reviews. i was thinking 20 new cards along with that and the wires crossed

[Anonymous No.]

>"learning" new words in anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059741
that picture is evidence that rote memorization is effective though wtf

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059037
>There are novels that are easier to read than Yotsuba. There are manga that are harder to read than 人間失格.
No there aren't because manga isn't reading in the first place.

>>20059160
see above

[Anonymous No.]

rote memorization is useful when you're memorizing things that are difficult for you to learn naturally and they are also immediately useful to you

[Anonymous No.]

i encountered 幽霊 yesterday and i immediately recalled the reading and meaning today while reading. boy you sure do learn all sorts of worthless words instead of frequent and useful words when reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059646

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059037
>There are novels that are easier to read than Yotsuba.

Do tell

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059751
No it doesn't because despite memorizing the dictionary he still doesn't speak the language. By the way I think anki is a great resource.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059804
yea but it'll be easy for him to immerse and learn it now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059800
I find ika musume to be easier because I can't stand the pure kana and weird dialects in Yotsuba. There also seems to be less omitted particles and mashed together phrases so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059810
Probably not because nothing ever said he memorized the meanings. He probably didn't because meanings are useless for scrabble.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059812
Ika Musume isn't a novel and most things that aren't picture books for babies will omit particles so you better just get use to it now in an easy-to-"read" manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059820
Keyword is "less". If there's a lot of omitted particles it becomes unnecessarily confusing for somebody who is looking to read something on the level of Yotsuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059606
>writing
Well there's your problem, retardo.

If you don't waste your time doing writing and you can easily do 200 reviews + 20 new cards in 20 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059861

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/321137222?t=00h08m52s

Watching cute Japanese trying to read English is a gift from god

[Anonymous No.]

>When you BTFO Matt so hard on his own video that he deletes his reply to you out of shame.
Come back when you have enough hair to even attempt to go SSJ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059702
>The fact still stands that 20 minutes per day is dumb and not possible unless you're skimming.
Believe what you want but here's the proof:
>>20059861
>>20059864

3.1 seconds per card (386 cards in 20 minutes), 92.4% retention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059873
don't diss my hero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059861
Some didn't read the next post. Anyways that's still not including daily new cards. But let's leave that convo dead please, I'm over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059873
What was your post and what was his reply?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20059873
first he deletes his hair then he deletes his discord and now hes getting wrecked on his vids

cant say this wasnt the scenario i envisioned

[Anonymous No.]

parents just got home with groceries. gonna drink my favorite pop and watch dragon ball. goku is going to fight piccolo soon. after that i'll watch an episode or two of highschool dxd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059884
>Anyways that's still not including daily new cards.
It is.

(the review time exceeds 20 minutes because I was doing over 400 reviews when factoring in lapses)

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

you should only drink high quality h20 like la croix

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059800
i know of one, but if i tell you, you will regret knowing. are you sure you want to know?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059887
My post was that he was copy-pasting wikipedia math that he didn't understand and he was basically fumbling the entire video trying to talk about stuff he didn't understand.
He replied saying that he spends COUNTLESS HOURS on his videos FOR THE PEOPLE and that he had to talk about it despite not completely understanding it because he trusted that his viewers would correct him if he was wrong, and now that they have it's completely right because it's peer-reviewed (by his Patreons).
Then I restated that he straight up said he was using math he didn't understand and he should have at least done his research. Then I said that he still isn't right (he made gross assumptions that I didn't go into) and that he shouldn't be relying on other people to correct mistakes he should have researched more because he's getting PAID for this stuff.
Then he deleted his comment.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

do you think this guy cares about any of that

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059912
Then you're not really learning them. I guarantee you that you wouldn't be able to recognize them if just given the reading + sentence and no kanji to look at, nor could you write them if prompted to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059921
so what if he counted on corrections? the fact he gets paid means he can't make mistakes? whether or not that behavior is OK is up to his patrons correct? have they revolved against him for getting the math wrong in his anki videos?

i doubt he deleted his comment because he thought he was wrong, because your argument is so fucking stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059921
the stupidest assumption he's making is that your retention is static and doesn't increase for each card as you know it better
memory consolidation increases better than exponentially when you also review what you're memorizing naturally (i.e. at some kind of constant-ish rate) outside of the environment of the SRS
so cards you added last week might have a retention of 80% but cards you added three months ago would have a retention of 85% or 90%

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20059939
i think its not the making mistakes but the fact his content is trash lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059932
https://twitter.com/sentenceminer/status/1049494096300130305

Calvin matured.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059939
The fact he gets paid means he should be putting more effort into things than pasting math from wikipedia that he doesn't understand and telling people to try it. I mean, really, he shouldn't be doing that anyway, but doubly so because he gets money for doing it.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20059946
dude this is the worst https://twitter.com/sentenceminer/status/1050182708897427456

hes actually not gonna make it cuz he depressed : (

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059945
i agree it's worthless but anon was making some retarded kinda moralizing argument. in reality his fans seem OK with the trash content. it's not that matt did something unethical. he just did something useless.

>>20059951
>should
based on...?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059954
if you don't know what you're talking about you're just going to mislead people and spread misinformation
not hard to understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059937
>Then you're not really learning them.
>>20059864

>I guarantee you that you wouldn't be able to recognize them if just given the reading + sentence and no kanji to look at
I read a lot and from my experience I can tell you that you're wrong. I don't even know what you're thinking here. Why would I not be able to read a word in kana that I can read in kanji? Have you even tried reading anything in Japanese yourself yet?

>>20059937
>nor could you write them if prompted to.
Why would I even need to? I'm trying to help you here. Writing is a luxury that takes up a colossal amount of your study time while providing absolutely no benefit whatsoever to anyone who does not live in Japan.

Writing kanji is not learning Japanese, neither is repping flashcards in Anki. If you have only a small amount of time available to you, you should first and foremost be spending it reading and listening. Everything else is just icing on the cake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059957
he thought he knew what he was talking about. he was wrong. he got corrected. apparently his patrons don't expect perfection, so everything is gonna be OK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059921
>Then I said that he still isn't right and that he shouldn't be relying on other people to correct mistakes he should have researched more because he's getting PAID for this stuff.
>Then he deleted his comment.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

dont worry guys i got my proof of proficiency right here *posts anki stats*

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059954
Based on the assumption that abusing your position as an authority by pretending you're doing advancing the current theory when you've done very little actual research is doing the entire community harm. The only research this guy did was reading one website page about SRS and some wikipedia pages about math that, again, he claimed to not understand despite using it in his equation.
By the way he makes money for doing this, doesn't mention anyone who helped "correct" his theories by name (not giving credit), and still fails to deliver to his Patreons by listing their names at the end of his videos (like he said he will).
That doesn't have to do with his videos being trash, it just adds to my view of him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059967
>Why would I even need to? I'm trying to help you here.
No you're not. You're posting your retention rate and study rate because you want to show off. Listen, we all more or less consume information at the same rate. If you are speeding through Anki, you're not getting out of it what others who spend more time will. You are getting that information from other places, fine, but don't sit here and pretend that because you speed through Anki, you are more efficient.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059979
different people actually form and lose memories at different rates, which is not only intuitive but also scientifically known
wtf dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059939
>have they revolved against him for getting the math wrong in his anki videos?
Well he used to have over 500 Patreons and now he's down to 488 with a 10% loss of income.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059976
oh please. he said it was a theory. he was wrong and got corrected. you don't need to project your view of what is right or wrong onto his patrons, who obviously don't give two fucks about the apparently vile behavior you're outlining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059984
Obviously there's some variation, which is why I said more or less, but it's safe to assume that most people are perfectly capable of learning Japanese in a timely fashion, should they put in the effort. At least people posting here.

[Anonymous No.]

if any of you knew nihongo you wouldn't have to petty fight over meaningless shit nobody cares about

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20059976
there shouldnt be a "community" unless it has a good amount of dominant bilingual voices

matts just a terrible vlogger and when he tries to present semi original material it fails hard because thats who he is when hes not biting off established good material

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059985
i think that drop came before the anki video. and who knows why people drop out. could just be they don't like his bald head, or they realize they just need to read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059989
your position in this post is directly contradictory to your position in your previous post

[Anonymous No.]

i kept interpreting 話 as "talk" instead of "story/tale" today and it confused me until i realized what i had done wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060003
No it's not. The only difference was my use of the word "most", which was only to clarify a fucking obvious fact which should be that not every person is exactly similar and nobody in earth believes otherwise. That should be implied.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20060008
oh no your wronging continues

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059988
That doesn't change the fact that he, as a perceived authority to many people, pushed his theory as best he could and definitely made a lot of his viewers change their anki behavior for the worse (because, again, his theory was flat out wrong and still is).
Should I not project my view on what's right or wrong onto a hypothetical class of students being taught by a teacher with false credentials? What about people who teach fake martial arts to people for self-defense? Just because I'm not one of his students doesn't mean I'm not allowed to call him out on his wrong-doings.
The facts of the matter are that his lack of research and subsequent videos are hurting people.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

everyones allowed to do whatever they wanna do its a dog eat dog world

survival of the fittest bitches

if you aint down with matt go up there and take his spot

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060014
help me dude please.

[Anonymous No.]

>chatpad.jp

you can never speak to japanese

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

i mean surely you have a high enough power level to handle this https://streamable.com/l6h0h

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20060024
i dont think youre on the wrong path and i think your issue will correct itself dont worry

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059979
>You're posting your retention rate and study rate because you want to show off.
I'm not showing off. You claim that I'm lying and that what I claim is impossible. Either I can just give up and let you label me a liar or I can post evidence to back up my claims. Not a hard choice.

>If you are speeding through Anki, you're not getting out of it what others who spend more time will.
What exactly am I not getting out of it? I'm memorizing the words in my deck, which is what the deck is for, and I'm apparently doing a better job of it than you who spends at least 3x as long as me on his reviews.

[Anonymous No.]

Hi everybody!
I just started learning basic vocabulary for JLPT exam, but I am confused when it comes to kanji. For example I am supposed to know のど、but do I also have to know 喉? How about N2 and N1 kanji that appear on N4 vocabulary list? Right now I am only interested in passing JLPT, so I am interested in what is required on the test, I know I should learn all kanji etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060016
>Should I not project my view on what's right or wrong onto a hypothetical class of students being taught by a teacher with false credentials?
his patrons probably didn't start supporting him because they were expecting advice on the most optimal anki interval modifier. and although he was incorrect about it, they're OK with it. hence they're still patrons. it'd be like if someone taught a fighting class and gave overall sound advice, but then gave bad scheduling advice, although hedging the bad advice with "this is a theory, you probably shouldn't change anything", like matt did. matt's still recommending good things like input. he just slaps on a bunch of dumb shit on top of it. and when he gets advice wrong it's inconvenient, but his patrons certainly don't hate him for it. i think they understand that perceived authorities can make mistakes and whether or not a mistake is horribly evil just depends on the mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059799
what a rebel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060072
If you really think that the amount of time spent on Anki is a measurement for how good of a job you are doing at learning Japanese, I'm not exactly sure what my rebuttal should be. Your entire thought process is very odd. But if its working for you, keep at it. Different methods are more efficient for different people.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

haha in order to learn japanese you need to be around japanese

ok start subbin boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059979
>show off
I'd give him the benefit of a doubt. He's not even an actual speedfag. Look's like he's just trying to help you by pointing out that you could spend much less time doing anki with negligible loss in recognition skills.
DJT is probably the largest efficiency killer for all of us though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060108
I'm always a sub

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060141
DJT is a brief respite between learning sessions. There is something to be said about the inefficiency of cramming. Pacing yourself is part of the process so I disagree when people say DJT is hurting their efficiency. If anything, it is just taking away time they could be spending on other things, like video games or homework.

[Anonymous No.]

DJT only wants one thing and it's fucking disgusting

[Anonymous No.]

tae kim imabi or sakubi

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060239
Japanese the manga way

[Anonymous No.]

I wish they didn't use these overly cumbersome example sentences in DoJG.

[Anonymous No.]

read japanese > # 漫画
ｂased

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20060232

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060239
never go imabi

[Anonymous No.]

>かける

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060459
At this point i just try thinking of it like a more specific suru.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060449
Why is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060514
It sux

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20060468
i guess if youre gonna look at it that way its a sticky suru : )

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060514
the writing is terrible and the explanations are more impenetrable than a concrete wall

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060677
The example sentences are pretty epic though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060528
>>20060677
Okay. thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060717
are the Japanese really a small-built kind of people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060726
delete the "kind of" if you want btw

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

heres an epic sentence https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-7GowOCW3A#t=36

[Anonymous No.]

I just spent 40 minutes looking up a grammar point that doesn't exist because a particle was omitted. How the fuck do I avoid this in the future? I FUCKING HATE casual speech
>inb4 read more
what the fuck do you think iwas doing to encounter this

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060902
Literally read more but also if you're stuck on a sentence for more than a minute or two just move on. Eventually you'll start getting a sense for how they abbreviate stuff. Also if you google the exact phrase and add いみ you'll usually get a push in the right direction.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20060902
best advice i can give you is its all about saying whats necessary with as little as possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060902
stop looking up grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>20060902
Reading more in this context means to just read the next few lines

[Anonymous No.]

I just made a Japanese pen pal
Time to embarrass myself and feel self conscious

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

もっと自信持ってよ

[Anonymous No.]

もっと自慰やれ

[Anonymous No.]

自殺

[Anonymous No.]

bokugei

[Anonymous No.]

ばじんが

[Anonymous No.]

Does the video form of Tae Kim go past chapter 2? On his youtube I can only find up to that point.

[Anonymous No.]

watasi no otintin dekai

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061138
time to read kid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061149
i've been reading faggot. i'm on chapter 5.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20061138
you gotta sub to his patreon to see the rest

[Anonymous No.]

いい加減どこのコメント欄見てもホモが湧いてるの見てて 最高だゾ もっとヤレ

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

ばかすぎ読んでない

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059741
I keep adding words to anki I' bound to see. For example If I start isekai LN I will add words to anki on first encounter if I know I'm going to be seeing them again. I also add those words I know I will get in the future since they contain a kanji/radical I know will recognize in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

TIL anki means to memorize

pretty interesting

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

while being aids

>For example If I start isekai LN I will add words to anki on first encounter if I know I'm going to be seeing them again

is pretty funny lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061228
暗記
why does it contain dark?
It's like it's saying it will keep you in the dark.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20060008
>>20061236
same fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061236
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q1237385227
pretty easy to guess i m o

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061246
no. why did you think so?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20061254
similar level of goof ball shit ┐(‘～` )┌

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061248
why is that dude talking about the sky when it’s the kanji for darkness lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061265
>>20061267
samefag
put your trip back on kiddo

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061267
because darkness is the absence of light and space is the absence of matter the sky and darkness are one and the same dont tell the lizard overlords i told you though its ancient knowledge

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061248
Why not just have it as 諳記 instead of 暗記 then?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20061271
u mad?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20061277
idk lets build a time machine and ask the cave mans

[Anonymous No.]

You were cooler when you weren't attention whoring with the trip.

As a side note: I will never learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061293
Actually, he put the trip on so everyone here can filter his posts. Too bad DJTers aren't that smart.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

my plan backfired the retards still @ me lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061297
He was giving me good answers without the trip though, he answered them in ambiguous way but it was always sufficient.

[Anonymous No.]

To anyone here who has gotten baseline fluency (N2/N1), what was your studying tactic/approach? Are you able to speak fluently? I'm about ten months and 600 hours in and and consider myself about N4 and speaking is still super difficult and I get frustrated. Kind of feeling demotivated at the moment.

I'm in Japan with my fiance and even at the stores I can barely understand the clerks. I tried to avoid a school but at this point I'm considering it. Any advice would be appreciated.

[Anonymous No.]

why did stop posting venus videos jamal

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

i never posted venus vids

>>20061293
you think the trip suddenly makes me more attention whorey lol no youre just triggered by trips aint shit changed

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061317
This is a reddit repost.

[Anonymous No.]

俺は
おれは
オレハ

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061317
>with my fiance
I was about to give some tips but this doesn’t sit well with me.

[Anonymous No.]

おれわ日本

[Anonymous No.]

You're literally the only one here with a trip faggot. You are using a name on an anonymous message board. You're literally like that one fucking basedboy on discord who uses a profile picture of their face. It's embarrassing. You need validation in a general of ~100 losers who shitpost about Japanese. Do you ever consider that?

[Anonymous No.]

you laugh you lose

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

so dont acknowledge my existence at all and watch as i still keep posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061317
>I'm about ten months and 600 hours in and and consider myself about N4
Sounds like you're right on track.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-Language_Proficiency_Test#Estimated_study_time

Just keep doing whatever you're doing.

[Anonymous No.]

youtube’s favorite show

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

actually yts favourite show is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01q5rjGWSqI

[Anonymous No.]

You're telling me that via immersion I can achieve N1 faster than Chinese do using traditional methods even though they have a higher IQ and have the advantage of knowing quite a few words?

[Anonymous No.]

the chinese are literal dogs so you can do anything better than them except bark and shit on the floor

[Anonymous No.]

you’d be posting venus videos on the good timeline traitor

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061361
10 months studying 4 hours per day + 600 hours is 1800 hours, retard. He should be at N2, not N4.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20061376
dude im not the venus guy whats ur issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061380
Who said anything about 4 hours per day? Dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

quick bros I am talking to a cute japanese twitch streamer how do I tell her I want to practice japanese with her and she can practice english with me

i dont trust google

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061390
share the wealth bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061390
君と日本語習ってほしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061390
tell her you're 6'0" white and blonde

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061387
It's the bare minimum for anyone studying a language seriously, newbie.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061407
How about the other part? she seems interested in learning english. I want to sound polite

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061418
No it isn't, 2 hours is.

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/ydumWwKRQXc?t=3219

Have you guys ever cried because you had difficulties with learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061425
Maybe for a scrub like you it is.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

the only time i ever cried was when aerith died

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061443
A scrub who can understand a basic 4chan post in English, unlike you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061456
Alrighty then, ESL-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>immersion
Why are you fucking fags calling it like that? This thing existed since forever and it's called practice. Everyone fucking doing it. Practice! PRACTICE you fucking retards! Listening practice, reading practice. PRACTICE. Only you fucking weaboos call it MUH IMERSHON. It sounds retarded and fucking gay. I'm fucking ashamed that I'm learning japanese because of fucktards that use this retarded and fucking gay "terminology". Call it like normal people you little dipshits.

Fucking.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know where to find the novel 夢日記・あなたの夢に私が居ない？Is it any good?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20061469
and to that i say https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcM9kCZt9o8#t=4373

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061424
君に日本語習われるほしいです, 交換で君に英語教えてあげますよ

not sure about the 交換で part though. also not sure about あげる with polite form don't know why

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061469
practice doesn't sound like it fits as well as immersion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061467
Only one ESL here buddy, it's the guy who can't read basic English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061493
～代わりに君に英語教えてあげるよー

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061469
うるさい

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20061493

[Anonymous No.]

venus poster here
ily jamal <3

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061511
That's better, I was looking for that 代わりに

[Anonymous No.]

Why are people so set on using 君に?

[Anonymous No.]

do you think there is a diminishing return in study hours per day? Like i'm pretty sure a guy studying 3 hours a day for a year would roflstomp a guy studying 6 hours a day for 6 months in almost any field

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

idk i didnt have the heart to tell him he was fuckin up from the start and instead just posted a picture that doesnt help anybody

[Anonymous No.]

Is anyone else having an ununsually hard time with the captcha?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061577
I came up with crazy conspiracy theory while high about captcha
it's supposed to give people autism

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

*paces back and forth whilst sighing*

ok if youre going to talk to somebody for the first time and dont want to sound like a complete shit bag dont let the first words to come out of your mouth be 君に

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061584
then what? お前 seems worse or not? あなた?　あんた?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061581
I think google is trying to curtail firefox users or something, because I just switched to chrome and the captcha magically worked

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061584
お前さ、病んだんかい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061570
It's the opposite, someone who studies 6 hours a day might see a rare word twice a month instead of only once which means he's more likely to retain it. You're brain is naturally forgetting unused language at a constant rate and so studying as intensively as possible is most optimal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061604
genki desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061621
I don't know, I think 3 hours of quality study over a long period is going to beat cramming over only 6 months. You can only learn so much a day before your brain gets tired, I would assume it starts at 3-4 hours/day

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061591
I rewrote this way too many times, trying to be polite in some way.
You are an actual retard. Read more. Literally anything. Even a textbook would help you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061653
if you're enjoying what you consume (compelling input) you can learn indefinitely

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061653
haha nigga what

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20061654
that post had to be intentional dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061493
You just sound like a creep here. If I got a message written like that from someone I would block them instantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061687
I chickened out anyways. It seemed too direct but I didn't know how to phrase it more politely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061687
>>20061690
I assumed people like it more when you get straight to the point instead of wasting their time.
>sound like a creep here
you can't just say that without giving your reasons + alternative.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061690
1st rule of nihongo: don't use pronouns unless absolutely necessary

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061690
Nevermind the fact that it was grammatically wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061390
Stop harassing female streamers you creep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061390
僕のちんぽを触わるなら私も触わるぜ
now add polite form and change it to teach
don't forget to include what you want to teach and be teached

[Anonymous No.]

えいごとにほんごとか

ほんきでやってるの

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061757
fuck u

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061751
>teached

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061822
(nonstandard, colloquial, dialectal) simple past tense and past participle of teach

[Anonymous No.]

ima learn you righ quick sonny

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

how long have you been tryin to holla at japanese girl streamers rudely and awkwardly and how much of this do you understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cs8LJKNZ3L4#t=68

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061841
man looks like hes givin a darkie head lmoa you gay b t w dont at me b t w

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

@ u

he does kinda look all chicken head lmao

[Anonymous No.]

Why can I read through NHK web articles in about a minute but "easy" manga takes me a fucking hour per page?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFGfUOnsqEw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUTAPR_W4dw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMQbqhAgf-w
get some good stuff down your ear jamal

[Anonymous No.]

>>20061893
Because manga isn't reading.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

why would i listen to weeb ninjas when i can bump real ninjas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw27QuFhwc8#t=74

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059741
Fake news. I'm 99% sure he didn't memorize the complete dictionary. Not every word has the same value in scrabble. He probably sorted the dictionary according to each word's value and memorized like the top 500-1000. You could do that in a month using anki.

That's how I would do it.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

ヒルさんは私に日本語で「こんにちは。」と言った

i understood this sentence except the katakana for the guy's name because i haven't bothered learning katakana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062072
time for reading

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20062072
what kind of idiot ties it over their hair what a foolish girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062128
>Hiding the glorious Nipponese flag
Heresy

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062060
Nigel might know more words than anyone who has ever played the game. He has
compiled lists from the computer program LeXpert and read the OSW and a book called Redwoods
that combines the British and American lists. He has indeed been through Chambers, though not
five times. “I can look at things and remember,” he says. Nigel scans the pages of the dictionary
looking at all the words listed in boldface. He doesn’t use tenses, plurals, or definitions to help him
learn.
I ask him if he has a photographic memory. “I think there are about twenty-eight thousand definitions
of a photographic memory. I can recall images very easily, but I can’t put the image in a context. I
can remember a picture, but I can’t remember where I’ve seen it. I just have to view the word. As
long as I’ve seen the word, I can bring it back. But if I’ve only heard it or spoken it, I can’t do it at all."
Nigel doesn’t know how or why he can do what he does. School was easy, because of his memory,
but he was bored. Studying the words is boring, too. “The cycling helps. I can go through the lists in
my mind.” Nigel just conjures a mental snapshot of a list, or the specific page of a dictionary. That’s
why he can recall a word like CHLORODYNE, which isn’t on any Scrabble list because it is longer
than nine letters and isn’t in Merriam-Webster’s Tenth, the American word source. It’s only in
Chambers. “It may well be that no other Scrabble player knows that word,” Bob Felt says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062139
So he's just a savant.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20062133
its not hiding its just flying a little under the radar which is the true way to roll

[Anonymous No.]

It is always crazy how with there is two ways of attempting a language. The enjoyable way that works, and the unenjoyable way that does not, yet all you ankidrones insist on doing the second one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062176
i don't understand how anki is such a drag for some of the people here. it is really not that bad.

[Anonymous No.]

crazy how some people think you cant do both
crazy how addicted some people are to dopamine

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any app that can translate kanji to hiragana using the smartphone camera? Something similar to google translate but instead of translating jap to english i want something that can just show me the kana form

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

now theres some quality djt aids

[Anonymous No.]

I love anki. Learning new works every day is such a rush. And successfully memorizing new cards the next day is a great feeling. Finding these words later in articles or shows is the icing on the cake.

Anyone who finds anki / flashcards boring is never gonna learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062180
just do it while you're having a shit in the morning or while waiting for the food to cook

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062186
Why not just cut out the unenjoyable way that does not work. even if anki takes 1 minute than that is 1 minute you could spent sitting silently doing nothing which is a much better use of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062176
>The enjoyable way that works
speak for yourself. i hate reading. struggling through every word in every sentence is not enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062189
Nevermind, just found Yomiwa. Should have just googled the question instead of asking here. I guess i'm fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062206
>unenjoyable
unnecessary for learning aslo subjective and not an argument
>way that does not work
its literally the same thing as reading just more focused on the words you dont know the srs part doesnt even matter also citation needed

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

*pushes up glasses grinning with anime sparkle on teeth*

flashcards arent reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062217
Here is your source:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOaerF49taY

anki is not reading lol. Are you baiting?

[Anonymous No.]

You should consider anki and reading as food and water, you need both to survive but you need water more than food so reading is the priority, although food is also really important so don't neglect it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20059524
Just read oreimo, not that trend bandwagoning ripoff garbage.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

lmao imagine being a kid that thinks oreimo isnt trite garbage let me guess your other favorites include sword art online and some popular "isekai" shit

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

oh and haruhi gotta love teh haruhi kids love haruhi

[Anonymous No.]

So I’ve been trying to read more Japanese stuff but I’m not very familiar with casual/slang Japanese so I had a few questions about this comic. What does 辛い mean in this context, harsh/severe? Also, what does 花粉症って死ぬ mean? I know って is used as the topic marker in casual speech so is it saying “is hay fever death/dying?” or am I off

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062291
Good to know I am such a genius that I learned japanese without eating metaphorical food.

>>20062296
Shut up jamal, oreimo is a literal masterpiece.

[Anonymous No.]

Since I modified my writing deck to work on my phone, I don't like actually writing them anymore. I just draw them on my phone screen. I can do it laying back in my computer chair instead of hunched over my desk. While this works well in confirming that I know all the strokes, it isn't going to help improve my handwriting at all because drawing on the screen is very inaccurate. I think for now I will do my reps on my phone but write new cards on paper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062326
hence why you should just write in the air/on your hand since it's even faster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062296
Why do you respond to a post from 11 hours ago??

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062329
Then I can't check it after I reveal the answer. Air writing works in about 95% of cases, but the other 5% are reason enough not to do it. Even writing them down sometimes I don't notice I'm making a mistake for weeks or months.

[Anonymous No.]

does watching japanese dramas count as listening?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062342
I'm just a nigga trying to sell some books faggot. Now read oreimo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062344
i guess it's because of the mnemonics but i never have and never will have that issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062342
he found the (you) during a search.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062351
Probably. When I did RTK in the past I usually just drew with my finger on the desk. I gave up on memeonics though so now I just learn by writing them.

[Anonymous No.]

can you turn off furigana in light novels of https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/ ?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20062310
1) it means sux ass
2) death by epic gay fever!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062376
I don't think so, but they are the same furigana you would see if you actually read the book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062310
辛い->つらい , not からい
花粉症って死ぬ…？
->花粉症にかかると、（私は）死ぬ…？

[Anonymous No.]

what's a good modern day light novel on the djt library?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

animorphs

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone have any idea what she says?
https://youtu.be/mEtfoNZWv6I?t=323
It doesn't sound like 乾杯 to me but maybe i'm just retarded.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

youre right it doesnt sound like kampai but it still is

dont worry about it or you are literally going to waste time thinking about nothing this is your only warning

whats more troubling is she says its oishii because its not and shes lying to u

[Anonymous No.]

wow after 2 months of reading i can finally somewhat comprehend some basic example sentences in grammar guides.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

epic and sugoi dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062527
not good enough jamal. i should be much further along.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062527
even ironically your post is incredibly embarrassing.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20062534
but not as embarrassing as your face

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20062533
prolly but low quality nihongo time can only get you so far

thats why you need 10000 hours of anime with english subtitle

[Anonymous No.]

Math is literally more possible than Japanese??

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062577
I wish I had started studying math for an hour every day the past 6 months instead of consuming Japanese for 4 hours every day.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

math is power

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062577
Depends on the type of brain you have. For me language and arts is a million times easier than math.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't know why so many of you cry. What did you expect from learning a completely different language? You're learning a whole new operating system, and if you work at with every waking moment it's still going to be at least a year till you're not pathetic at it. If you're doing an hour a day it's going to be another 10 years.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20062597
copout and an excuse

i think math is fuckin gay but thats because im not interested in it not because its difficult

not that i can do a bunch of nerd math right now on the spot like someone like matt or whatever but in life ive been able to do the things that ive wanted to do because i wanted to do them

and you can too

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062577
I wish I had started studying math for an hour every day the past 6 months instead of consuming Japanese for 4 hours every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062600
based on results i've seen from people who have been learning for a year i expected the first few months to go a bit faster than this. so i'm guessing that progress increases exponentially at some point, and then slows back down again? because at my current pace i think it'll take 10 years for me to hit N3.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062606
People have inclinations towards certain things because of various reasons. Not everybody is the same. Not everybody is good at math. Even if they want to be. Wanting it does help though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062630
Did you do rtk first? Because you're not learning japanese during that time. When you finish it and start doing real japanese you'll feel like a rocket ship blasting off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062636
no i've been reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062640
and btw this cannot be described as anything close to a rocketship. more like a paraplegic turtle crawling through mud.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20062631
the greatest breakthroughs in just about everything came from the naurtos of the world : )

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20062636

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTR_JCIlnx8

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

now that is some proper aids thanks for that mate

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw remembering the story instead of the kanji
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062747
but that's what allows you to remember the kanji, until you've associated the kanji with a word or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062747
umm just use the rtk deck but dont actually do rtk bro lol, learn all of the japanese or at least half of the cards you do. When you start vocab after it will give you a head start.

[Anonymous No.]

おなかすいた

いちごぎゅうにゅうのみたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062747
1) do lazy kanji, delete deck after completion
2) actually learn Japanese
3) if desire to write kanji persists, do regular rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062657
But he said before that AJATTing was like using a dull knife.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys think about how If you would of studied french instead of japanese you would be perfectly fluent by now instead of just being able to understand cringy cartoons and young adult literature. If only I knew 1 and a half years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063036
There's no reason to learn French though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063036
Yeah actually. Sometimes I even get a little excited thinking that once I make it in Japanese I can jump to literally any other language and be done with it in like 6 months.
Then I remember I have no reason or cause to learn any other language.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the difference between は and について? They always seem to have the same function in the sentences I'm reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20062310
Comics aren't reading either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063044
>>20063047
I agree, it is more just a thought. As the only thing good from france does not even use french (daft punk). But it is just the idea of how much easier it would while simultaneously being more impressive to strangers. The only reason I said french is because I took 2 years of it in highschool and I know it shares the most vocab with english of any language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063036
>>20063047
I think you're both just retarded and delusional. That's okay though, considering you're still naive beginners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063036
The problem with French, as well as 99.9% of other languages on Earth, is that any content they have worth consuming is going to be available in English. So there is no reason to learn them. The least you can say for Japanese is that weeb shit is interesting to people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063077
But there's nothing impressive about knowing French and English. Have you ever been to France?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063087
You're right, I'm delusional for thinking I'll make it in Japanese. Nothing wrong about the statement that it takes 6 months to learn French though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063101
You go try it then lad, see where it gets you. It doesn't look like you're very enthusiastic about learning Japanese anyway, might as well go do something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063095
Well here in america, if I tell someone I was fluent in french they would think that is cool. But if I say fluent in japanese, they will think that I am one of those weebs who says they are fluent despite only knowing a few words and not even being able to read at all. I do not regret studying japanese as I enjoy watching raw anime and LN's are awesome. It is merely a thought.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063110
If you read my post you'd know that literally every single thing you wrote just now is retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063118
Oh is it? Sorry, I guess I was too blinded by your sheer stupidity to interpret your posts properly. Carry on with your oh so enthusiastic Japanese learning, then maybe whine some more about you can't learn it and how you should be doing something else, then yell at someone when they point out your hypocrisy.

[Anonymous No.]

why do people get so mad when you point out how easy romance and germanic languages are to learn compared to Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063155
>Yeah I thought about how I could learn another language quickly IF I WANTED TO but then remembered I don't have any motivation (like in Japanese).
>Well fuck you dude why don't you just learn one of those languages then if you think you can because obviously you don't want to learn Japanese!!! Hypocrite!!!!!
Jesus Fuck dude I'm cringing so hard, do you make it a habit to be such a bitch between your a anki reps to blow off steam? Fuck man.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063036
I just remind myself that when I start French it'll go 5 times as fast and feel great

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063178
I don't understand, why did you even bring up this (off-topic at that) discussion? Did you just want to brag and delude yourself further about how special you are for learning such a "complex" and "hard" language like Japanese? If that's the case, I understand, just don't try to hide it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063223
yeah my problem is what do I even read and watch. The only thing about france I like is french house music and food.

[Anonymous No.]

Wow an agency that trains hundreds of thousands of diplomats thinks that Japanese is one of, if not the hardest language for English natives to learn. So I'm justified in feeling I'm a snowflake learning a difficult language. How angry does this fact make you?

[Anonymous No.]

dunno, you sound pretty angrey yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063253

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063047
This. Also once you get fluent in Japanese sky is the limit. You can become a programmer etc. You know two of the best and hardest languages on the earth. AnimeMan said job offers started rolling in after he got fluent. You want find many people I bet who are fluent in both and not successful. I'm doing Java code on anki afterwards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063257
I am angry because people think they can disagree with objective fact. But that's why it makes me happy this objective fact makes them angry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063253
ha ha ah oui oui oui je mapple anon desune comment tapple tu ka soudeshou ore suis french parle dekiru cho pera pera oui oui oui bagguette.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063233
Yeah I asked the question then responded to myself because I was just that into it. Every time in the past 4 years it came up it was also me, I samefag the entire conversation every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063270
you probably say this jokingly but you're actually correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063273
Thanks for the laugh anon.
>comment tapple
What's this one supposed to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063030
opinions of a 16 year old changed as he got older. in other news, water is wet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063303
>Water is wet
THAT'S WHERE YOU'RE FUCKING WRONG, KIDDO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugyqOSUlR2A

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063270
True, when I got fluent in japanese I finally got a girlfriend. Right after that I won the lottery. Then I got a job at google, and after a few months became the CEO. Then I became the Emperor of Japan. Then Jesus himself came down from the skies and gave me his personal blessing. Opportunities are everywhere, the sky really is the limit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063295
comment t'appelles tu

I just remember these basic greetings from high school.

[Anonymous No.]

come stai

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063253
if your destination is a 1000 miles away and you walk back and forth in your living room, you're technically making progress reaching your destination half the time.

you'll be a snowflake when you learn a difficult language. just learning it without actual progress doesn't mean shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063068
one makes you sound like a normal person
one makes you sound like a news anchor

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063328
Funny, your post makes you sound like you don't know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063309
let me guess, he did another video proving fire isn't hot and ice isn't cold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063334
In my experience he's not wrong, I've never heard について in speech and have mainly only seen it in news articles, though I have seen it every so often in other media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063342
How about you use a dictionary and stop relying on people who barely know how to properly speak or write the Japanese language for answers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063351
>Use a dictionary
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

do not fear the weeb who watched 10,000 anime episodes one time each. fear the weeb who watched 1 anime episode 10,000 times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063351
dictionaries are for dekinai beginners who think have not consumed enough media to understand how useless they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063362
Well... You're not actually wrong this time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063362
>10,000 anime episodes
10 episodes? or did you mean 10'000 (ten tousand)

[Anonymous No.]

>look up example sentence for にて
>お前は、人はパンのみにて生きるものではないと反駁したが、しかし、いいか、このほかならぬ地上のパンのために地上の悪魔がお前に抗して立ちあがり、お前と戦いをまじえて、ついにお前は屈伏し、すべての者が「この獣に似た者こそ、天から火を奪ってわれわれに授けてくれた者だ！」と叫びながらそのあとについていくことになるのだぞ。
What the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063372
This is probably the first time I've ever heard something this dumb in a semi-intellectual linguistic context, good job. Just please tell me you're also >>20063355 because having more than 1 person actually believe this is unthinkable for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063379
sorry i meant 一万番組

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063393
Using dictionaries for purely grammatical words is actually retarded and you're retarded for thinking otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063411
What the hell does "pure grammatical words" even mean? Also that's pretty rude, calling me retarded like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063424
>What the hell does "pure grammatical words" even mean?
Look it up in a dictionary :^)

>Also that's pretty rude, calling me retarded like that.
Sorry, you're "dumb" and "semi-intellectual"

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063393
残念ながら　バーーか

my words are true it may hurt all you anki fags feelings but it be that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063436
Alright man, I thought you would be smart about this but clearly you're just trying to take the piss out of me, all because I suggested someone to use a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063334
Funny, I watched 4 hours of Anime today and didn't once hear について during any episode.

I did however watch an hour of the news and read a bit while at work, and について appears all over the place because its grammatical function appears more useful in those contexts, even though it is very usable in daily life.

You can't just go about replacing every は with について though because while they have a similar "meaning" their actual usage is very different, plus as with almost any grammar you can also は について to talk ABOUT that thing.

It's hard to explain but in context it just makes sense. As I said, if I don't hear it for 4 hours worth of slice-of-life anime, it's probably true that it's used in higher registers more commonly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063446
>Playing the victim this hard
Not because you told someone to use a dictionary, because you of the rest of your post
>stop relying on people who barely know how to properly speak or write the Japanese language for answers?
You're a bitch, you throw shit then cry when shit is thrown at you because now you're all dirty.
You want an actual answer? "The" and "a" are grammar words, they have no meaning by themselves. は has no meaning. が has no meaning. Looking these up in a dictionary and relying on the "dictionary definitions" will just confuse you with shit information and calling people idiots for not recommending doing that makes you retarded. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063455
as being the most well read light novel reader in this thread. I can confirm I have seen that in light novels but it is not very common.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063462
Woah, someone's gone aggro for no reason. By the way, the word "grammar" doesn't quite mean what you think it does. The word "dog" is just as much of a "grammar word" as the word "of" is. And yes, articles do have meaning, why wouldn't they? I'd suggest using a dictionary for this kind of stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

There are certain Japanese words that stick far more easily, and I might just found one that will stick in my head even better than all the euphemisms for genitals:

劣等感

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063478
>for no reason
Learn to read.
>The rest of the post
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/empty-word
Here, take some more "semi-intellectual linguistics", you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063482
my favorite word is 近親相姦 also I was gitty today when I heard the word 錬金術 when watching goblin slayer raw. I am at the point where I know about 95% of the vocab of whatever I consume so recognizing rarer words is fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063497
I don't know how that would apply to について. It's not a marker, it's an expression derived from a verb. So technically it should have some meaning, and therefore be eligible to being searched on a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063523
And what about は, fucking retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063528
This discussion wasn't about は, it was about について. That's not to say は can't be easily searched on a dictionary also, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063528
read a book for once faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063544
This discussion was about understanding the difference which isn't possible if you don't know what both mean, fucking retard.
>That's not to say は can't be easily searched on a dictionary also, though.
Fucking retard.

>>20063546
That's what this entire conversation is about, this fucking retard over here thinks you can just look it up in a dictionary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063550
Well, は is marker, について isn't. That's a start. The rest you can find out by searching について on a reliable dictionary, which will immediately give its meaning on most contexts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063557
Funny, your post makes it sound like you don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

We should start another thread for hard street niggas like myself who has never even heard of anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063559
Can you give me some of that constructive criticism? Also, I already contributed a lot to the discussion by stating a truth about について, it's your turn now. I'm sure we'll figure this out by the end of this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063571
I'll give you one.
This argument is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063579
Don't you want to figure out the meaning of について and how it's different to は (without using a dictionary of course)? I thought this was the whole point of the discussion. You'll also leave the original guy that asked the question hanging, I'm sure he's eager to hear the answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063571
>Can you give me some of that constructive criticism?
It seems you missed the irony that that was the exact same thing you said to someone else who explained it better than you did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063390
人はパンツのみにて生きるもの・・・

パンツのために・・・

[Anonymous No.]

is this what happens when you blow out someone who's been pretending to know japanese for years and built their identity around it?

[Anonymous No.]

its amazing how productive you can be in a day when you dont bother to keep eyeing the thread every 5 minutes and instead just skim through the usual insane asylum tier posts quickly at night to reaffirm that things never change anyway see you goons tomorrow try to be more entertaining next time

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063571
>Can you give me some of that constructive criticism?
We don't have that here. That's for pussies. If you don't understand something it's your fault for being dumb or lazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>そのあとについていくことになる

その後に着いて行く事になる

dekiru!

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063870
出来ません

[Anonymous No.]

Would I be a retard to reply back with "No problem desu" to a Japanese guy saying thanks to me because I helped them find something on twitter? I really do not know how to reply back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064123
Either reply in English or Japanese, not a retarded mix. I would say 構わない, but I learned it from anime so it could be wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064123
気にしないでよね

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064123
or just press the いいね button on their tweet and don't respond

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064243
Are you a beta?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064303
stopping a conversation with the いいね button is actually the most alpha thing there is

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063858
This guy is gonnna make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063506
>近親相姦
See, all my interest for this word comes from porn and I never imagined it with myself personally, but with 劣等感 it is something deep in my soul and thus explains me.

錬金術 is that special weaboo word I learned because of a certain anime featuring metal-limbed shorty

[Anonymous No.]

>>20063561
Well, you've heard it now, because you even typed it, so you're no longer the 'hard street niggas'.

The only way to save your rep is by exiting this thread

[Anonymous No.]

もっとできる！

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064463
I wonder if ['t] is a grammatical unit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064467
Technically yes, it's just a contraction for negating state-of-existence verbs, with irregular usage depending on the word it's slapped onto.

>cannot
>will not
>did not
>is not
>was not
>will not
>has not
>had not
>does not
>do not

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good first novel to read? I'm sick of manga and games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064531
キノの旅

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064531
ごんぎつね

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064531
俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない

[Anonymous No.]

Will I become fluent if the first thing I read is the whole Persona5 game and the two Steins;Gate games?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064676
I mean, how much can you read from those? If you're willing to put in the effort to the point you can actually understand those, then I believe you have the will to completely destroy Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064531
いっしょにどくしょしよ

https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000025/files/1144_11850.html

さいしょの

えいぶんが

よめない

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064782
ahh finally came across wagamama in kanji

[Anonymous No.]

What dictionary do you guys use? I exclusively use Jisho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064799
むずかしいのでてくるね

でも暗くはないから

よんでてあんさんたるこころもちになることは

ないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

The good news anon, is Vidya IS reading, unlike Manga.

[Anonymous No.]

How many years have you studied for (also how many hours per week) and what is your level of understanding currently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064812
kotobank, Jisho is ok but once you can J-J up you might as well use kotobank. Plus, there are some things missing in Jisho that you will easily find in kotobank.

[Anonymous No.]

グーグルせんせいにおこられた

あんさんたるはまちがい

あんたん（澹）たるがただしいだって

ぜったいかかないしかけるようにならないとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

They sure punched some lines up for the 英語版though

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064957
Westerners are generally more outgoing, extroverted and independent. It's called a localization for a reason.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20063591
just put "について"について into google my god ┐(‘～` )┌

[Anonymous No.]

I couldn't remember my story for "accomplished" in RTK but I already placed a word prompt like ”友＿” so I knew and wrote the kanji correctly. Proud?

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065115
I'm proud of you for writing this RTK post, it's pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065122
The Japanese word prompt reminded which kanji it was, but I still had to rely on my story to write it properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20064829
>How many years?
1.5 years
>How many hours per week?
About 12, but sometimes on the weekends I get a burst of energy and do closer to 20. Still not nearly enough, I should be doing 50 and I'm ashamed I'm not.
>Level of understanding?
N3 give or take, there are some N4 grammar I've never seen and some N1 grammar I understand but averaging it all out I think it's in the N3 territory.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

now all you gotta do is prompt yourself to fill in the blank for learning japanese and you be gucci

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065144
>I should be doing 50 and I'm ashamed I'm not.
dude wtf chill out japanese isn't a full time job
20 hours a week is plenty if you don't want your life to disintegrate into shambles because you're not even like taking out your trash or cleaning the toilet or the million other things you gotta do to live a life that isn't disgusting

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

you mean clean the piss jug

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065153
I sit on my ass watching youtube videos and checking /DJT/ almost as much as I'm studying Japanese, I could be doing 50 hours and still having plenty of time to chill. 20 hours isn't a lot when I consider that half of that is during dead hours at work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065153
50 hours a week is possible if you live with your parents or have a VERY understanding friend/significant other who is willing to do all your chores for you while you study.

[Anonymous No.]

i wish japanese was a full time job so i could afford more bang dream gacha rocks and strong zero

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

god thanks to u fuckers yt recommends me this shit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBoEPhjQKwE

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065231
EXHILARATING CONTENT

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065153
The real AJATT Ascetic life

>only own 1 plate, 1 bowl, 1 pair of chopsticks
>1 pot, 1 pan, 1 kitchen knife, 1 ladle, cutting board
>1 cup for drinking MAYBE a mug for tea
>also electric kettle
>only eat simple cheap things like beans, rice, no meat for maximum asceticism
>only drink water and tea
>sleep on an o-futon on your floor
>only own 10 sets of cheap, comfy clothes (special but limited provisions available for people who live in places that get extremely cold)
>you can wash your laundry in the sink and hang them to dry
>2 pairs of shoes max (3rd set special provision for winter boots if cold)
>Must live in apartment 300ft^2 or smaller
>if you must own a car, it has to be glorious nippon steel from the 80s/90s, preferably Corolla you bought for less than $2000
>otherwise walk or own cheap collapsible bike
>nicest thing in your whole apartment should be your media center
>Nice TV, nice speakers, your choice of nice laptop/computer
>thanks to your extremely limited amount of shit to fuck up/make a mess, you can now dedicate every waking moment to Japanese study
>since your monthly expenses should not exceed $500 with this setup, just trick a handful of people on the internet to give you Patreonbux to perpetuate your continued uninterrupted study
>if you must work, work a job that allows you to either read a lot in your down time, listen constantly to something on earbuds, or preferably both


Basically there is nothing more patrician than this ideal lifestyle if your only goal is to "get good" at anything. If you have a job that pays more than $15 an hour you can basically do whatever the fuck you want and take yearly trips to Japan while doing nothing but getting good when you're back in the states. Bonus points if you save up money on the side with the aim of retiring early/investing in shit.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

stop reading at laundry in the sink your post was written by an idiot man child (u)

[Anonymous No.]

lmao same sink-washing clothes is a terrible idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065268
>since your monthly expenses should not exceed $500 with this setup
I wonder what fantasy land you live in where renting an apartment in a neighborhood that won't steal your shit the moment you go to the store costs significantly less than $500.

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065282
Ok 邪魔ル you can buy one of these but owning more shit is just gonna interfere with your immersing

[Anonymous No.]

why do mods let me bitch in this thread for no reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>20065304
>>20065304
>>20065304
新しいスレッド

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>20065305
owning u has not interfered with my immersing in any way so far