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1998703 No.1998703 [Reply] [Original]

So if Youkai eat humans, that that means that the likes of Mystia or Wriggle or Cirno had to have eaten a human at some point.

How embarrassing would that be for the human?

>> No.1998717

Only some youkai eat humans. Fairies and magicians I'm pretty sure don't.

And Mystia is pretty fierce. In anywhere but Gensokyo or a H.P. Lovecraft story, she'd be a true terror.

>> No.1998734

>>1998717
> Only some youkai eat humans. Fairies and magicians I'm pretty sure don't.
Youkai magicians do. Fairies aren't youkai.

>> No.1998741

>>1998717
But she's a bird....

Or rather a little girl cosplaying as a bird...

Who got eaten by another little girl.

>> No.1998742

>>1998734

>Youkai magicians do.

Alice doesn't, she's probably the most friendly of any youkai to humans, and Patchy almost never leaves the library.

>Fairies aren't youkai.

wat

>> No.1998754

>>1998741
I have a "realistic" pic with Mystia somewhere. She's not supposed to be a cute little girl, in the same way that Ran looks more like a beast than a bishoujo.

>> No.1998755

>>1998734

>Youkai magicians do.

Alice doesn't, she's probably the most friendly of any youkai to humans, and Patchy almost never leaves the library. They're the only notable magician youkai that have been introduced.

>Fairies aren't youkai.

wat

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?

>> No.1998764
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>>1998754
>She's not supposed to be a cute little girl
What the fuck are you talking about?

>> No.1998769

In ZUNiverse, not all youkai necessarily eat humans.

Also, magicians have stopped their body's growth and no longer need physical sustenance, but rather maintain their bodies with magic.

>> No.1998771

>>1998734

>Fairies aren't youkai.

PMiSS article: Fairy.

人里でも頻繁に見かける妖怪の一つである。

They are a kind of youkai you frequently can see even in human villages.

>> No.1998774

>>1998761
Thank you
>>1998764
Help me, are we talking about Touhou as a game or Touhou as a world?

>> No.1998785

Youkai definition by the human village is "supernatural creature that attacks humans". "Attacks" there presumably means anything that hinders humans, so fairy pranks and shit still count as attacks.

Not to mention we have no reason to believe that human village knows anything about youkai (except how to defend against them, they'd die otherwise. )

>> No.1998797

>>1998774
Touhou is a game?!

>> No.1998802

>>1998785

>(except how to defend against them, they'd die otherwise)

No. Keine and Mokou, and occasionally Reimu are the only things that stop that.

>> No.1998803

>>1998755
>Alice doesn't, she's probably the most friendly of any youkai to humans
I personally think China.

>>1998774
>Help me, are we talking about Touhou as a game or Touhou as a world?
Both.

>> No.1998804

What sort of pranks do fairies play anyway?

Also, say you're lost and out wandering in the woods and you run into, say, Cirno or Wriggle? What will happen to you?

Mystia will probably eat you, so you'll have to live with the shame of being devoured by a little girl half your size who thinks she is a bird.

>> No.1998814

>>1998804

Naw, bro. The worst Mystia would do is scam you out of your money.

>> No.1998808

>>1998802
Mokou actually does shit other than wait around for folks to LOSE at IN Extra?

>> No.1998809

>>1998761
Oh yeah, that one, I love it, I wish all Touhous were depicted like this, so we can actually dream of a real Gensokyo

>> No.1998811

>>1998804
> Wriggle? What will happen to you?
He'll fill your anus with bugs.

>> No.1998817
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>>1998804
If you piss them off, you'd probably be fucked. Treat them with respect, and you'd probably get away just fine.

Not really sure how Wriggle would be, but with Cirno, you'd probably be fine just stoking her ego.

>> No.1998821

>>1998804
>http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento_in_Strict_Sense

Read it, don't ask shit

>> No.1998823

>>1998802
Some humans can defend themselves just fine. There are even youkai hunters other than Marisa and Reimu.

>> No.1998830

>>1998803
>Both.
Okay then. Youkai are supposed to be ugly and scary as hell but lets just say Gensokyo makes them instand moe. But that doesn't mean they are not deadly.

Also when you take the games as given and try to explain how that world works without taking the freedom to add and change some parts it leads to some interesting "dead ends". It's like the "What people eat?" in the Pokemon universe question.

>> No.1998831

>>1998804
Cirno? Tell her a question or riddle, then run

>> No.1998837

>>1998804
>Cirno
Freeze you to death.
>Wriggle
Most insects are pretty deadly.
>Mystia will probably eat you
>so you'll have to live
Wait what?

>> No.1998839

>>1998830
Well, Touhou is more realistic than Pokemon, bro. It's a fact youkai eat humans, they're fucking horrible but moe, but that's just ZUN's fault

>> No.1998841

>>1998830
>supposed to be
In typical folklore.

ZUN made out Gensokyo to be some sort of Utopia.

>The days where humans live in terror of youkai, or in desperation to exterminate them, have passed, and the world has become a place where youkai come to the human village to play, and humans are invited into the houses of devils.

>Nowadays, humans are almost never eaten by youkai.

>> No.1998851

>>1998841
In short, yeah, youkai are still deadly, but they're not all necessarily dangerous.

>> No.1998848

Nobody dies in Gensokyo

>> No.1998861

>>1998841
Mutual destruction without cooperation, bro. Youkai can't live without humans, so it's a grudging truce.

>> No.1998870

>>1998841
>Nowadays, humans are almost never eaten by youkai.
>almost never eaten
>eaten

>> No.1998871

> what would happen if a human met an youkai
Now, if ever, was our opportunity; and I am sure we should all have rallied to the attack, useless and vain as it would certainly have been. But plainly the monster had grown weary of all such trifling and would no longer submit himself to the petty annoyance of human molestation. As we raised our weapons and made ready to strike, the thing drew back, still carrying its vein-drawn, flaccid victims, and climbed upon the eighon-block. Here, before the eyes of all assembled, it began to swell in every part, in every member, as if it were inflating itself with a superhuman rancor and malignity. The rate at which the swelling progressed, and the proportions which the thing attained as it covered the block from sight and lapsed down on every side with undulating, inundating folds, would have been enough to daunt the heroes of remotest myth. The bloating of the main torso, I might add, was more lateral than vertical. When the abnormality began to present dimensions that were beyond those of any creature of this world, and to bulge aggressively toward us with a slow, interminable stretching of boa-like arms, my valiant and redoubtable companions were scarcely to be censured for retreating. And even less can I blame the general population, who were now evacuating Commoriom in torrential multitudes, with shrill cries and wailings. Their flight was no doubt accelerated by the vocal sounds, which, for the first time during our observation, were being emitted by the monster. These sounds partook of the character of hissings more than anything else; but their volume was overpowering, their timbre was a torment and a nausea to the ear; and, worst of all, they were issuing not only from the diaphragmic mouth but from each of the various other oral openings or suckers which the horror had developed. Even I, Athammaus, drew back from those hissings and stood well beyond reach of the coiling serpentine fingers.

>> No.1998876

>>1998841
/thread

>> No.1998879

I dunno about Gensokyo but youkai aren't all bad or man eaters in Japanese folklore.

>> No.1998895

>>1998870
Read rest of article, bro.

>> No.1998897

Youkai in Gensokyo do not eat humans from Gensokyo due to the whole balance thing. They still ATTACK humans since as youkai that's what they're supposed to do. Hence danmaku battles and spell card rules.

As for EATING humans, what the youkai do is run raids on the outside world through holes in the barrier or eating any hapless human that accidentally wandered or fell into Gensokyo from the outside world. Since humans from the outside world don't know that youkai are dangerous and will not run from them. But they will run away from ghosts, which are not so dangerous.

>> No.1998901

>>1998861
>There are few threats to humans' lives, and they can have peaceful duels whenever they please.
>Youkai extermination continues in name only, and abductions are only carried out for show.
>These peaceful, yet stimulating times are surely a golden age for humans and youkai alike.

And this was written from the POV of a human.

I really don't have a problem with people making Gensokyo GRIMDARK or anything, but why the fuck do you guys have to insist on it being the "canon" Gensokyo?

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>>1998841

Sign me up for the next LHC-warp to Gensokyo

>> No.1998905

>http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Encyclopedia:_Presence

>> No.1998921

>>1998906
Protip: Gensokyo is on the earth

>> No.1998923

>>1998901
To have an opposing force for the meme-spouters and porn obsessors, obviously.

>> No.1998929

>>1998905
Monologue>articles, bro. Akyu admits to exaggeration and even accepting suggestions from youkai there. Only place you can take Akyu's writing at face value easily.

>> No.1998933

>>1998921

Here comes the pocket dimension and nexus theories.

>> No.1998940
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>>1998906
Sorry, but it's not possible.

>> No.1998943

PMiSS isn't a reliable source you faggots. ZUN agreed don't bother him about it.

>> No.1998946

>>1998933
What theories? ZUN has clearly stated that Gensokyo IS a pocket dimension. The only thing that separates Gensokyo from the real world is the Great Hakurei Border. And it's not even a solid barrier as objects and people from the outside world slip through cracks and end up in Gensokyo. While youkai will leave it to go hunt for humans.

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>>1998754
>>1998761
but even Felis Ovum doesn't always draw her like that

>> No.1998951

So, what is Youkai "Extermination", because it definitely doesn't look like they're killing them.

>> No.1998953

>>1998929
>In addition, I got a great number of requests from youkai(*2), so what started out as a guide to help humans defend themselves from youkai was, before I knew it, a manual for youkai to help others learn about them.

right?

>> No.1998964

>>1998953
You got it, bro.

>> No.1998970

As far as what I've gathered from official materials, the youkai aren't really much of a danger anymore. Sure, you don't want to go piss them off or whatever, but just simply existing doesn't mean RIP AND TEAR.

It's not like going for a walk in the woods is going to mean you lose all your entrails. Wasn't it even mentioned somewhere in something that Remilia invites people to the mansion for her parties?

>> No.1998978

>>1998953
Reimu does extermination. Minutes later, angry Tokiko kicks down Kourindou's door.

>> No.1998984

>http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Perfect_Memento:_Monologue

So everything's a joke?

>> No.1998988

>>1998984
Little girls and tea parties, bro. Only thing that'd be serious is if an outsider comes in and doesn't gave a *** about the spellcard rules and starts blasting everything.

>> No.1998992

>>1998943
Then what is?, faggot

>> No.1998995

Fanon is alright, bros, but make sure you present it as such, and make sure you present it well.

The idea of a Gensokyo filled with bloodthirsty youkai is hardly unbelievable. In fact, shit can be pretty entertaining in doujinshi. However, it's silly to smack people down for their ideas and say your own is correct when it actually isn't.

>> No.1998997

>>1998988
What are spellcards anyway?

>> No.1999000

>>1998995
This.

>> No.1999005

>>1998997
I think it the Touhou shootan rules. Since youkai can't kill Reimu lest the barrier fall and they get fucked by the Japanese army, and because Reimu is a psychopath, but not psychotic enough to pick on people who can't fight back, they created non-lethal fight rules so anyone can start shit with Reimu but nobody dies.

>> No.1999006

>>1998997
Not >>1998988, but I think spellcards are the patterns of a character's power and danmaku that the person comes up with before a duel. You lose if they're all broken, you can't fight anymore, or you give up.

>> No.1999007

>>1998997

From what I can gather, they're like miniaturized versions of the barrier that can be broken after a certain quantity of energy is applied or a certain length of time passes. The main purpose seems to be preventing fatalities and limiting external damage.

>> No.1999017

>>1999007
>>1999006
>>1999005
Helpful mind, thanks bros

>> No.1999022

>>1999005
Well, that's kind of depressing

>> No.1999024

>>1999017
I think they also THEORETICALLY keep the millions of bullets Touhou dodges from going on to vaporize large cities but I'm not sure.

>> No.1999048

Gensokyo is a fictional universe made up by a drunken Japanese male.

It does not exist.

>> No.1999054
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So what about characters who have "danmaku" that is very obviously lethal in its true form?

Examples: Iku Nagae's lightning, Fujiwara no Mokou's fire, Marisa's, Alice's, and Patchouli's magic bolts...
... Utsuho's STARS...
And so on.

If some crazy youkai decided to flip the fuck out and go true-power against Reimu, does Gensokyo die?

>> No.1999060

>>1999048

Heaven is a fictional universe made up by a drunken Egyptian male.

It does not exist.

>> No.1999062

>>1999054
Pretty much depending on the youkai.

>> No.1999065

>>1999054
All Youkai are perfectly rational.

>> No.1999067

>>1999054
Well, there's always Reimu to prevent that, hence the games

>> No.1999077

>>1999054
I guess so. But Reimu can avoid being hit in the first place with a Dimensional Rift or something. She is human, but still pretty hard to hit.

>> No.1999079

>>1999054

Hmm, maybe that's how Reimu's "float above reality" power works- it not only affects her, but everyone in Gensokyo by forcing the spellcard system's non-lethality? As long as Reimu's around, everyone's fine, but once she goes, it all breaks down?

>> No.1999081

Danmaku = Gensokyo's FIght Club

>> No.1999084

>>1999079
I doubt it, since Reimu is a shrine maiden from a long line of shrine maidens. Once Yukari puts her huge cock into Reimu's honey pot, little munchkin Reimus will sprout and surely Gensokyo will continue forevermore.

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1999094

Sensei?! Can we *kero*kero*kero*kero* eat Cirno for a snack?

>> No.1999101

I'm still of the opinion that any named youkai, even if she's joke tier compared to the other named characters, can hunt and kill any regular human with the same ease you or me would eat our breakfast cereal.

>> No.1999109

So when Remilia threatened Reimu to kill her, it was just a mock scene?

>> No.1999111

>>1999109
No, it means ZUN was drunk when he wrote it.

>> No.1999119

>>1999060
Yes, I would agree with that statement completely, as an Atheist.

>> No.1999115

>>1999111
Makes sense

>> No.1999128

>>1999101
Of course. I don't think anyone's arguing that.

>> No.1999135

>>1998995
If we do this, and accept that some people will have different ideas (that are within reason), maybe we can actually have nice things in /jp/!

>> No.1999145

>>1999135

>> No.1999142

>>1999119
All religions are stupid as fuck and depend on people being stupid as well. Who's discussing that, we could well make the whole Touhou thing an actual religion.

>> No.1999143

>>1999111
No sir, unless there is a true evidence!

>> No.1999148

>>1999135
Well, this has been a good thread, right?

>> No.1999152

Spellcard rules are a bunch of bullshit anyway, a half an excuse Zun invented to handwave away why nobody ever seems to die, then promptly forgot about again.

>> No.1999153

>>1999135
Memes don't count, right?

>> No.1999154

>>1999143
He's always drunk alright

>> No.1999176

>>1999142
Reincarnation 4:16 "And ZUN did love Gensokyo, that he sent his only daughter, Mima, to die for Reimu's sins."

Mima will return. I feel it in my bones.

>> No.1999228

>>1999176
well fuck

>> No.1999334

>>1999176
So Mima is Jesus, eh?

That makes sense.

>> No.1999371

Oh, this reminds me, Hong Meiling's Touohu H torrent needs seeders, lots of them.

>> No.1999414

>>1998754
Can you post that picture?

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1999482

I will just leave this image here...

>> No.1999540

>>1999482
ok

>> No.1999545

>>1999414
>>1999371
Second these two

>> No.1999553

Do you have the one where Cirno comes apon Wriggle and Mystia eating a human and is shocked?

>> No.1999573

>>1999334

You still fail to comprehend.

Mima is not Jesus.

Jesus is Mima.

>> No.1999977

>>1999553
>Since youkai can't kill Reimu lest the barrier fall and they get fucked by the Japanese army

The "japanese army" wouldn't be a threat to even Cirno. That's not the problem. The problem is that if the Great Boundary comes down, most of the youkai will instantly be erased from existence due to the sheer amount of skepticism on this side of it. They will be disbelieved into nothingness.

>> No.2000314

>>1999977
Something in the canon somewhere says that youkai are pretty physically unkillable but susceptible to spiritual attacks. Since gensokyo didn't get bubbled up all that long ago, one would imagine that a few outsiders still know about it and there's a secret government cabal somewhere with a bunch of buddhist commandos ready to go should the barrier fall.

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>>1998830
> It's like the "What people eat?" in the Pokemon universe question.

Oh god I remeber those 200 post threads in /a/ from years ago, shit just cant be solved man(Nintendo keeps changing crap).

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>>1999977
no...
>>2000314

>> No.2000774

>>2000314
>Since gensokyo didn't get bubbled up all that long ago, one would imagine that a few outsiders still know about it and there's a secret government cabal somewhere with a bunch of buddhist commandos ready to go should the barrier fall.

For some reason, i want to see a doujin where the outside world declare war on Gensokyo.

Or even cooler, US Army VS Gensokyo denizens

>> No.2001023

>>2000774
Reimu kills them all, おわり

>> No.2001060

>>1999977
This. Reason why the Hakurei barrier was set up in the first place is because of this.

>> No.2001064

>>2001023
Miko Miko Reimu~

>> No.2001067

>>2000362
is that a shoop?

>> No.2001079

>>2000774
It will end with Reimu vs Obama in a dream danmaku fight of illusion and phantasmagoria.

>> No.2001113

>>2001079
Then they'll fight in space

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