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Why don't Touhou games make use of Newtonian physics and six degrees of freedom?

>> No.1998240

I can't graze in so many dimensions.

>> No.1998238

Look, I'm already fucking horrible at Touhou. Don't make it any harder for me.

>> No.1998251

Physic? They are girls who fly and use magic cards.

>> No.1998291

now you imagine a uniform great rhombicuboctahedron pattern danmaku
if your brain doesn't melt, then try to avoid those bullets

>> No.1998296

I've thought about how to do this and I still have not come up with a simple way to do it. I thought I did but then I realized I had completely neglected to think of how you aim.

My conclusion was that you could do danmaku in 3D but there needs to be a different means to attack than you have in 2D. Like either automatic aiming or something like Shoot The Bullet where you do not fight back with bullets.

>> No.1998305

Touhou 12: Danmaku in the Event Horizon.

>> No.1998304

>>1998296
Dual-stick wielding.

>> No.1998318
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>>1998305

>> No.1998336

ZUN should make a touhou with a time stopping spell card.

>> No.1998343

>>1998304
Duo stick isn't "simple" by my definition. I'm the type of gamer that detests games that use all 200 buttons on the controller.

Touhou is simple, up/down, left/right, shoot, focus, and bomb.

6 DoF is Up/Down, Left/Right, In/Out, Yaw, Pitch, and Do a Barrel Roll!

I'm not sure a full 3D would be fun. When I have time I was going to mock up a prototype that keeps the 2 DoF for player movement but has 3D spell cards.

I just haven't figured out how aiming is going to work yet.

>> No.1998355
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>>1998296

I've been thinking about how about a 3D shmup would play like and stumbled across this game here. After playing it for a while I've reached the conclusion that it might be the closest to it which is currently available on the market, with crazy bullet patterns zipping towards you from ahead and behind and the whole shebang. Your ship maneuvers a lot like Starfox's Arwing, though, hence why I can't look upon it as a full fledged 3D translation of the shmups genre.

>> No.1998359

>>1998343
My controller only has twelve buttons.

If you don't count the hat switches and rotaries.

>> No.1998363

Touhou in Isometric view would be awesome.

>> No.1998364

>>1998363
My brains melted while trying to think what the bullets look like.

>> No.1998371

>>1998355
The trailers I saw only have fire in one plane.

>> No.1998409

There should be a warp function like in the original SPACEWAR! for those able to visualize four-dimensional space

>> No.1998428

>>1998409
Nobody can visualize 4D space. Do you drop acid or something?

>> No.1998430

>>1998428
Yes. Yes I do.

>> No.1998441

>>1998430
Go visualize the 11th dimension instead of bothering us with your "skills"

>> No.1998451

>>1998430
That made me laugh.

But seriously, I hear people say that and I feel like they may as well be telling me they can imagine a bat's echolocation or a shark's electro/magnetic sense. You can't, get over it.

>> No.1998486

>>1998451
Mystic Eyes of Electromagnetic Perception

>> No.1998512

>>1998486
>Eyes
wat? that's not how it works

>> No.1998515

If you can do stereoscopic viewing (the crossing eyes thing), then try playing this "game."

http://harmen.vanderwal.eu/hypercube/

It plays in 4d and you get a 3d representation of the space.

>> No.1998527

>>1998515
>> 3d representation of the space.
Get back to me when you get a brain jack that lets you pump this game directly into your consciousness.

>> No.1998528

>>1998515
Wasn't there a 4d shooter, with a line along the side of the screen to represent the cross-section?

>> No.1998535

>>1998515
your monitor is only capable of displaying in two dimensions

>> No.1998537

Oh god. 4D Touhou....

Yukari is pleased.

>> No.1998547

>>1998451
You're either lazy or lack sufficient learning material.

>> No.1998556

>>1998515
Been there. done that

>> No.1998557

>>1998535
>stereoscopic viewing

>> No.1998565

>>1998535
But the applet does cross-eyed 3d as well as the types you can get with 3D glasses.

>> No.1998586

>>1998547
Or you completely miss the point of not being able to imagine sense modalities you do not have. No matter how much I study I will never be able to know what it is like to, for example, see ultraviolet light like a bee does (not to mention what it is like to have compound eyes).

>> No.1998601

>>1998547
>>1998538
wat

>> No.1998652
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1998652

Why don't Touhou games make use of Company of Heroes and advanced cover bonus system?

>> No.1998665

>>1998652
Now you're jusy being obtuse.

>> No.1998672

>>1998296
I don't see what would be wrong with automatic aiming, Touhou has always been about dodging bullets not shooting them.

>> No.1998684
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>>1998652
SUPRESSING FIRRRRRREEEEE!

>> No.1998688

Why don't Touhou games make use of Fabric gathering and funny hat crafting system?

>> No.1998691

>>1998688
inb4 Joseph Joestar

>> No.1998692

that would take the load off having to shoot and recenter yourself, and in reality you would technically be able to function at a high enough level that you could basically just shoot at them with your peripherals while you focus on dodging

>> No.1998693

>>1998672
But automatic aiming defeats the whole purpose of shooting at all (unless you add the need to save ammo, and that's not how Touhou works). Why stop midway, just remove it altogether.

>> No.1998695

This thread reminds me of this one dream I had involving fighting Newton in a danmaku battle. His danmaku was more optics-based, though. I also had a dream featuring 3d danmaku, but it involved Reisen's exploding bullets and it's not all that hard to imagine how those work in 3d anyways.

In other news, if I recall correctly, humans can echolocate to some degree, and sense magnetic fields to another degree, and see a bit into ultraviolet (only women. See, that's the only reason I want to be a little girl. Don't get it wrong. ). We just can't do it like bats/insects/sharks/some other fish/monotremes do, so your point still stands though.

>> No.1998696

>>1998684
Holy shit

>> No.1998701

>>1998695
Spinoza would be fucking badass, having optical illusion based spellcards, thanks to his mastery of lenscrafting.

>> No.1998704

>>1998684
squad pinned!

>> No.1998713

>>1998701
I imagine Heisenberg would be a bitch to fight, what with bullet hitboxes randomly swapping around when you aren't looking.

>> No.1998739

>>1998713
Not being able to determine the exact momentum and position of a quantum danmaku can be a pain in the ass

>> No.1998743

>Why don't Touhou games make use of Newtonian physics and six degrees of freedom?
>now you imagine a uniform great rhombicuboctahedron pattern danmaku
>if your brain doesn't melt, then try to avoid those bullets
Come on guys, it's not that difficult. Imagine playing touhou as a FPS. It doesn't need dual-stick wielding either.

>> No.1998748

>>1998692
The same could be said for all Touhou games.

>> No.1998819

>>1998743
It is difficult because I think aiming and dodging in 3D is complicated enough that it would take away from the primary focus of the game, which is dodging.

What would be best is some kind of semi-assisted aiming, so that during boss fights there is still pressure to be in a certain spot without making aiming the main focus.

>> No.1998825

>>1998819
Like homing attacks, right?

>> No.1998860

>>1998819
Well yeah, it's hard, but not impossible. Dodging is important in FPS but grazing will be a nice challenge.

>> No.1998866

>>1998296
>>1998343
>>1998234
Any 3d touhou should play like ZOE2 with more shooting.

>> No.1998896

It's like Max Payne with touhoes.

>> No.1998900

>>1998866
That's exactly what I was thinking, hell yeah.
It's possible and it would be awesome

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>>1998234
>>1998238

I don't see the problem.

>> No.2000809

>>1998515
holy fucking shit

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>>1998743
>FPS
No.
FPS=bullets going straight through the air
Touhou=even the lazors take crazy turns
3D patterns would be futsukushii, but very painful for your pattern memory

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