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[Anonymous No.]

Who's the strongest touhou? i was just wondering since in Blue sinners Yukari is portrayed as the strongest a long with the half oni drunkard and that one other lady. From what I understand the other cast members are fodder (eg Cirno and Marisa), Reimu is just a fledgling and the Scarlets are High mid tier.

[Anonymous No.]

Eirin or Reimu. If Reimu wins against Toyohime then she might have a chance against Eirin.

[Anonymous No.]

Depends who you ask.

[Anonymous No.]

The ghost chicks also look like they're pretty up there.

[Anonymous No.]

There is no strongest Touhou, just stronger Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

If Yuyuko ever wished, she could be the most dangerous, but not the most powerful.

I think Suika is the most powerful, just by judging on the thngs she can do while she is "playing".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986848
Eirin? Why Eirin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986872
Suika's hidden ability, to be unable to refuse a drink from her, is the strongest ability in Gensoukyo. Immortality, poison, future sight, star magic. This is all shit when you're drunk off your ass.

[Anonymous No.]

Any innate ability is only as useful as your willpower can give it strength. Giving the personality of most touhous, I would say that power levels are very small in Gensokyo.

[Anonymous No.]

>SSiB
I found your problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986876

1. Yorihime is stronger than Yukari.
2. Yukari is stronger than 98% of Touhou.
3. Eirin is the teacher of Yorihime and likely equal or greater in power to Tsukuyomi, Lord of the Moon, presumably Yorihime's father.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986897
I suppose I haven't seen the chapter in question, but how is Yorihime stronger than Yukari?

And was Eirin not going full-power in IN, or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986905
She was, but maybe "power" measures feats of strength, and not battle prowess. As in how Patchoulli is a very good mage, but since she is asthmatic she can cast most of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>And was Eirin not going full-power in IN, or something?

Probably not.

She makes strong note that "she has stronger charms" than SEALING THE FUCKING EARTH.

[Anonymous No.]

Last time we had this thread, I believe most of /jp/ thought it was Yukari. Boundary manipulation is likely so powerful an ability that her potential for growth is far greater than any of the other Touhou, plus she's already approximately on par with the likes of Flandre/Suwako/Koishi/Suika and is the one (or is it hinted to be the one?) who separated Gensokyo from the rest of the world. Think of the possibilities. Forget Border of Life and Death, how about Boundary of Time and Space?

[Aya Shameimaru !TENGUWdjvs No.]

>>1986897
>1. Yorihime is stronger than Yukari.

Err, where did you figure that out. It's not explicitly stated nor hinted in SSiB yet.

[Anonymous No.]

You people are assuming that each touhou has unlimited force in their given ability. If this were the case, Rumia would be able to turn herself into a black hole and immediately destroy Gensokyo.

Touhous have areas of specialization, but are rarely strong enough to cause lasting, powerful changes. It took ALL of the dragons to seal off Gensokyo, and even Yukari would need a lot of time even to weather it down to the point the dragons would notice and come back to stop her. These girls are not so powerful as to be able to significantly alter the fabric of reality for any extended period of time, and by the time they were powerful enough they would hardly need to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986939

>Rumia would be able to turn herself into a black hole and immediately destroy Gensokyo.

Somebody doesn't know how the FUCK Gravity works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986939
Suika could make a Black Hole, given that she has the power to screw with density, but not Rumia.

More importantly, look at Yukari's spell cards for a demonstration of what she can do; in her case at least, there's probably very few limits on her ability other than the distance from which she can make it work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986942
Well, at least she would be able to blot out the sun permanently. If blotting out the moon caused a panic, imagine what blotting out the sun would do.

Which she can't do.

[Anonymous No.]

This is a large flying parasol.

[Anonymous No.]

HOLY SHIT A VAMPIRE

DODGE HOLY DANMAKU, DARK ONE.

ENJOY YOUR WHIP SHAPED DANMAKU

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986942
Light is energy and Rumai's darkness field thus presumably devours energy (it'd be noticeable if it reflected it instead, but it may have another effect like uh, turning light into matter or another form of energy? Whatever, that's what "presumably" is there for) so yes full power Rumia is theorically a "null field" even if not a true black hole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986958
I was thinking of what Castlevania danmaku would include, and it struck me that it would include a lot of multicolored throwing knives. Wait a minute...

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986948
>Well, at least she would be able to blot out the sun permanently... Which she can't do.
Technically, if she were undisturbed and immortal, she could.
>A small, unusual lump of darkness has been seen lately. This is actually Rumia, who is inside the darkness... the darkness has no physical effect besides blocking the sun.
If she were to fly high enough and into the correct position, she could act like the moon in a solar eclipse. Granted, she may not blot out the sun for all of Gensokyo, but, depending on the size of her field of darkness, she could likely ruin the crops of the human village if she kept this up for a few weeks. Of course, Reimu/Keine would probably stop her before it came to that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986959

Rumia's "darkness" would just destroy photons at best, not CONSUME ALL MATTER INTO AN IRRETRIEVABLE VOID.

But Gensokyo doesn't obey modern physics so yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986931
Source? I thought gensokyo wasn't technologically advanced, where the fuck did that nuke come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986966
Why would it differentiate a kind of particle from ano...
>> Gensokyo doesn't obey modern physics
Point taken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986970

Outside the border, of course.

Thermonuclear devices are known to exist, therefore they do not exist in Gensokyo.

Remember, Gensokyo works in reverse of mass-belief, which is why Jesus isn't in Gensokyo yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986970
Tohonifun - Yuka vs. Yukari. You'd have known all of that if you had read the file name and googled it.
http://touhou.wikia.com/wiki/Tohonifun#Yuka_VS_Yukari_.282005-12-30.29

No, there are no nukes in Gensokyo (except for Utsuho). She pulled the nuke into Gensokyo from Earth using a boundary. Don't ask me how she activated it...

[Hong Meiling 門門 !!CkFE91f1n9T No.]

>>1986970
http://gallery.gensokyo.org/albums/mirror/Tohonifun_-_Yuka_VS_Yukari.zip

[Anonymous No.]

That one chick in Blue sinner cut that laser beam in half, so she's faster than light, but it took the touhou 2 weeks to get to the moon. Kind of a contradiction there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986978

>except for Utsuho

Utsuho is hot nuclear fusion, not a minor explosion.

She makes STARS.

And she THROWS them.

I don't know how they sustain themselves being only ~20 feet wide, but
>Gensokyo doesn't obey modern physics

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986986
She's not faster than light for cutting a LASER, just able to react at the speed of light.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986989
Sorry, didn't do a lot of astronomy/nuclear physics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986989
They don't HAVE to sustain themselves for very long. Remember that her suns pass by the screen in less than ten seconds on EASY MODE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986990

TAKE IT

TAKE IT NOW

RUN

RUN INTO THE NEAREST COLLEGE

DIVE INTO THEIR CLASSROOM

DO IT NOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986986
Not a laser beam. Just a string of nonlethal ammunition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986989
Ah, forgot she only had control over fusion. Need at least some fission to make a nuke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986992

10 seconds?

A star that small would have so little hydrogen as to dissipate in a single explosion in all actuality very similar to a nuke.

Fusion requires STUPID amounts of energy to maintain, which we can just assume that Utsuho can fuel with her Third Leg. But once she throws that star, unless she keeps fueling it, it's not quite going to keep its size thanks to GRAVITY.

[Anonymous No.]

Powerlevel question thread becomes physics in Gensokyo.

/jp/ in a box.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1986995
Nah it was light.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987009
Master sparks are made of love. That means her sword is sharper than Youmu's, which cannot cut the bonds of affection, but still not faster than light.

[Anonymous No.]

Haven't beaten any Touhou game so I'm not sure about this, but Yukari should be the strongest since she could fuck your insides up by putting her hand through a boundary in your insides. THat one lady who can "invoke" death pretty much sounds like a one hit kill.

[Anonymous No.]

>THat one lady who can "invoke" death pretty much sounds like a one hit kill.

IMMUNITY!

Also, she doesn't like taking advantage of that power anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987012
The logic is that what ever Master spark is made out of it still bares light properties enough to be likened to a laser. I think the author's intent was clear since he drew direct similarities as far as calling it "light"

Still the fastest touhou I know is izayoi. She can move in "no time". Strongest touhou going by showings is probably Eirin since she can seal planets away and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

HEY COULD YUKARI KILL ORT

[Anonymous No.]

Someone can manipulate distance. Enjoy not having one step seem like eternity. Is it just me or do the touhous remind me of people from Jo Jo's bizarre adventure?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987026
/r/ing powerlevel copy pasta.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987035
yare yare daze

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987026

We've already determined this.

In a direct fight, NO. Types have no beginning, and no end, and are NOT subject to boundaries. Her power fails, its power remains KERFUCKINGBOOM.

In in indirect fight, she can just destroy Mercury and ORT would shut down (presumably).

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987035

Yeah, Komachi can just dodge every attack and never miss by altering distance if her ability is an instant and limitless control.

Which it ISN'T.

All she can do is make a distance "shorter" or "longer", not "2km becomes 27cm".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987039
reverse, ORT would get more active as all the energy that made up mercurys soul would transfer into ORT.

now what she could do, is open a gap to the sun, and drop ORT in it.

The eventual destruction of Mercury is being engulfed by the sun, and anything that would potentially destroy the planet mercury can also kill ORT, which means any world destroying attack will atleast severely injure ORT

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987051

>is open a gap to the sun

There are severe consequences to that, you know.

Like SUN SPILLING THROUGH GAP ONOZ YUKARI MELTING.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987035
Jojo has awesome weird-ass powers, usually the really powerful effects are given just to the main villain. Jojo's fun is reading how a fucking spiritual fishing rod can threaten the lives of six people or how sharks can jump in a glass of wine.
Touhou powers are just ridiculously overpowered shticks built around manipolation of "insert basic concept here".

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987049
>>All she can do is make a distance "shorter" or "longer", not "2km becomes 27cm".

She can very well do that, the lake river or whatever is infinitely long and she can compress that distance to a short boats ride. That's pretty good control if you as kme. Though I do understand if the power is not instantaneous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987054
Well she could just open a gap in the gravity well of the sun instead of directly in it.

It just has to dump ORT into the sun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987060

SHE doesn't do that, the River Sanzu responds the human's virtue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987057
JJBA power seem to be lol XXD randum. It was making sense then a long the way it just became ridiculous. I kind of died a little when I found out about GER.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987062

ORT might disrupt the gaps with its "leaking of alien physics", though.
Crystal Valley's vagueness is terrible, and worst-case it basically makes ORT immune to magic of any and all sorts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987069
The pamphlet game manual says it does

>The width and depth of the river changes depending on her mood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987077

"When a person dies, their spirit must cross the river to the Netherworld. It is Komachi's duty to ferry the dead across the river. The width and depth of the river changes depending on her mood. Also, if someone has done too much evil during their lifetime, they may even not be able to cross the river.

A shinigami judges one to be good or bad not by the amount of crimes, but by money. That is to say, not the money that the deceased may have had while they were alive, but rather the total amount of those who yearned and missed that person from the bottom of their hearts."

So you make "her mood" improve with your virtue.
So Komachi is more of a machination than a person, as there has to be other Ferrymen Shinigami (there are plenty of Reapers, apparently), and they'd have to have this corresponding ability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987071
>GER.

mind explaining? I'm still up to the fifth series. Does that appear on Stell Ball Run?

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987085
>Ability: the power to manipulate distance

　　　Especially the ability to change the length of a path.
　　　She can also affect apparent distance, so she can make it look as if you're
　　　staying in the same place when you're really getting closer or farther away.

　　　Her ability to make it seem as if you never get closer or can never get away
　　　makes her terrifying to humans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987085
and also perfect memento
>She uses her ability to manipulate distance to make the width of the river inversely proportional to what relatives spent on the deceased after death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987089

This doesn't mean she has ABSOLUTE CONTROL OF EVERY PARTICLE IN THE UNIVERSE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987090

Oh?
"Distance Manipulation Ability "
"Its length is determined by the toll paid to ferrying death god, and can be made shorter with large payments. '

So it still changes based on the virtue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987092
but that does infer the ability is her own power, and not some kind of 'machination' or 'plot device'.
Also, if there were other Reapers with that ability PoFV wouldn't had happened considering her slacking was the cause of all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987096
so money = virtue? great logic defending your already proven wrong point there.
It's specifically stated it's her own ability which she can use freely, the fact that she uses it according to some kind of regulation during her JOB is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987100

PoFV happened because the influx of souls every 60 years, not directly because Komachi's laziness.

It would've ENDED faster if she weren't lazy.

Either way, there might only be one in Gensokyo. Shikieiki's only the Yama of Xanadu, not the universe.

Maybe the river Acheron doesn't change distance. I don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987104

>so money = virtue? great logic defending your already proven wrong point there.

HEY
HEY
HEY
HEY
>That is to say, not the money that the deceased may have had while they were alive, but rather the total amount of those who yearned and missed that person from the bottom of their hearts.

Virtuous people get more people missing them, tyrants get a "good riddance" and wind up broke on the bank.

Money = virtue in the afterlife.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987112
>the fact that she uses it according to some kind of regulation during her JOB is irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987112

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987116

The way I see it is that the Sanzu just changes size as a property of the Sanzu.

You know what? Personal Gensokyos and whatnot. There's no such thing as canon anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987120

Well of course that would hurt; she's taking Komachi's danmaku right to the hitbox.

[Anonymous No.]

Ugh. This thread. I love how in the fairy tale illusory land of Gensokyo people are bringing physics to the table on powers.

Touhou follows the kind of logic you find it old stories and legends; when you can STEAL THE ESSENCE OF A ENTIRE SEASON or REPLACE THE MOON WITH A FAKE logic and reason are thrown out of the window.

Power levels are irrelevant. The strongest Touhou depends on motivation and situation. Powers are as strong as they need to, Yukari has been described as being able manipulate the fictional as well as factual. How do you begin to measure that kind of open definition of her abilities? Suika's manipulation of density is used to draw people together, or turn herself into mist. It doesn't even follow logic of what density control could do, it works because like in a story, it SOUNDS like it could work.

That's Touhou, that's Gensokyo and I wouldn't have it any other way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987174
>>1987174
>>1987174

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

ability to kick the shit out of the yama who can kick the shit out of yukari and yuyuko

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987742
And yet she still can't beat Reimu.

[Anonymous No.]

You all are a bunch of faggots for trying to prove each other wrong over such a stupid thing. To prevent shitstorms, if you disagree with another idea of another person, make it clear that what you're saying is just your own idea as well, and back it up with something. Don't fucking push it further. Let us read it, agree or disagree with it, have a nice little discussion, and then we can all go home happy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987741
The Scarlet sisters are like 500+ years old, wtf? same for Yukari and lots of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987749
After getting the ultimate magic she could beat her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987779
Well fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987787
Stop it, bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987787
Doesn't Alice have that?

[Anonymous No.]

Jesus fuck, Touhou is not a generic shounen, stop this faggotry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987799
Welcome to /jp/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987796
In Yuka's seihou profile it said after beating Alice she gained the ultimate magic

[Anonymous No.]

Any touhou can beat any touhou if they fight a second time

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987803
fuck you

[Anonymous No.]

Timestop, suddenly a knife goes into your brain through your left eye socket.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987824
Grazing blow.

[None !Nipaa0mi0. No.]

Reimu would be the strongest if using her armpits wasn't prohibited by the Geneva Protocol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987039
Stop saying that, it doesn't even work.

That which has no borders or boundaries is by definition the totality of an infinite everything, including beyond the universe as matter more abstract concepts such as fantasies, imagination, time and theoretical alternate realities.

tl;dr: ORT has borders and boundaries, just on a slightly different scale than things like chairs and people.

[eirei emiya !NERO.ByayA No.]

>Who's the strongest touhou?

[eirei emiya !NERO.ByayA No.]

>>1987922
Curse you, background colour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>1987926

[Arcueid Brunestud !ARCIkc4cG6 No.]

>From what I understand the other cast members are fodder (eg Cirno and Marisa),

>cirno

wat? Everyone knows Cirno is the strongest touhou!

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