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The all powerful Japanese martial arts... Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:15:22 2009 No.1980450 [Reply] [Original]

Arguably the most powerful martial arts in Japan.

An Aikido practitioner is practically invincible, no one of any martial arts background can ever land a punch or kick on one.

Using the power of the attacker, the Aikido practitioner uses absolutely no energy to knock them down.

A fearsome martial arts it is.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:17:25 2009 No.1980467 Nice try. Too bad a sword or naginata still kills you.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:18:37 2009 No.1980478 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyX0oeZ0avk&feature=channel_page A very beautiful martial arts it is as well. Many people who have battled Aikido said it was like it was like watching someone do ballet.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:20:23 2009 No.1980488 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fN7yn0XOSMQ Please ignore the horrible music that does not go well with the gracefulness that is Aikido.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:21:30 2009 No.1980496 Aikido is worthless nobody is going to be stupid enough to let them flip you over, the only martial arts worth anything are the ones that involve striking Jeet Kun do and Kung Fu

>>	Tatari !JERKwzbfbg Mon Jan 26 23:21:43 2009 No.1980501 I liked interesting facts about wolves in Japan better.

>>	Kick boxing VS Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:22:05 2009 No.1980503 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bn59zha-uAQ Useless, it's all useless against Aikido.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:23:08 2009 No.1980511 >>1980496 Most non-Aikido practitioner have IQ less than 100, Aikido practitioner exploits that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:24:00 2009 No.1980527 >>1980503 Kickboxing is obviously useless against Aikaido as the user sacrifices his balance for range and attack power, all the Aikaido person needs to do is get a grip and twist

>>	Jiu Jitsu vs Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:24:09 2009 No.1980519 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPx7IAlRj_A Even Jiu Jitsu is no match for Aikido!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:26:10 2009 No.1980532 >Arguably the most powerful martial arts in Japan. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:26:22 2009 No.1980534 >>1980496 >striking Jeet Kun do and Kung Fu It's proven that grapple style fighting is more effective than striking style.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:27:44 2009 No.1980540 Silly weeaboo, everybody knows that learning Kung Fu automatically makes you into a killing machine not some worthless martial art that nobody has heard about or cares about.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:28:28 2009 No.1980546 >>1980532 Don't come crying to me when your head gets smash over by concrete by an Aikido practitioner. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrylhtH3tjE Beautiful video of Aikido.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:28:55 2009 No.1980550 >>1980534 grapple style only works if grappler is stronger than striker

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:29:12 2009 No.1980552 Ya'll niggas postin in a troll thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:29:55 2009 No.1980555 >>1980550 That's why you need to train in both styles of martial arts.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:30:15 2009 No.1980558 >>1980550 Which is most of the time. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGcJSzp-Utk Judo practitioners are very strong, and other grapplers are too.

Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:30:44 2009 No.1980560

In the 1540s and 1550s, Japanese pirates known as wokou raided China's eastern and southeastern coasts on an unprecedented scale.

The monks won their greatest victory at Wengjiagang.[18] On 21 July 1553, 120 warrior monks led by the Shaolin monk Tianyuan defeated a group of pirates and chased the survivors over ten days and twenty miles.[18] The pirates suffered over one hundred casualties and the monks only four.[18].

THIS IS THE POWER OF KUNG FU

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:32:35 2009 No.1980574 File: 72 KB, 800x571, 1233012755055.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] KENDO ALL UP IN THIS THREAD NOW, BITCHES!!! Nothing like constantly smelling terrible while being horribly hungover during taikai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:33:26 2009 No.1980579 File: 14 KB, 225x317, 1233012806925.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1980478 Last time I checked, ballet had at least some grace to it.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:33:28 2009 No.1980577 >>1980560 If the pirates knew Aikido(or Judo), I'm sure the monks would had a ghost of a chance.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:36:31 2009 No.1980598 >>1980577 Thats still speculation unless you can show me a official vid of 1 aikaido user defeating 10 people simultaneously, Aikaido is a truly useless art

Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:37:34 2009 No.1980605

Thing is, for an aikido practitioner to really exploit an incomming attack, that attack must really be loaded to the max.
Most trained martial artist are trained to keep their composure though, and could just jab an aikidoka until his HP bar drains out.

But then I have no idea why an aikodoka would go a bout against another martial artist.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:37:46 2009 No.1980609 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwD990j3uhM Aikido with swords.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:38:33 2009 No.1980612 >>1980598 Most martial arts are useless, as far as self-defense goes. As exercise, to help you stay in shape, they actually have a purpose. If you want to learn how to hurt people, boxing is the way to go.

Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:38:55 2009 No.1980615

Sure, Aikido looks cool on martial arts tournaments, but it's useless in real fighting situations. If you're being attacked by 2+ people or with a knife, you're going to get your ass kicked.

If you want to actually defend yourself try Krav Maga. It's the only useful thing to ever come out of Israel.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:41:35 2009 No.1980632 >>1980615 It's impossible to actually practice Krav Maga without killing your sparring partner. You'll always have to hold back, so when you actually get into a situation where you need to use it, you'll end up using it wrong.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:41:41 2009 No.1980633 >>1980615 >If you're being attacked by 2+ people or with a knife, you're going to get your ass kicked. There have been many recorded incidents of Shaolin monks using kung fu to fight off 10+ attackers, your argument is moot

Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:42:20 2009 No.1980637

>>1980534
Not really, but in a one on one situation with one being a grappler and the other a striker, you should always put your money on the grappler. Unless the striker is Crocop or Fedor.

"on the street" being on your feet and being able to move (and to gtfo) is the better tactics.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:43:14 2009 No.1980645 >>1980615 Another option is Muay Thai. Most people taking it for self defence pair it with Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:43:51 2009 No.1980650 It doesn't matter what you say, the only worthwhile martial art the average /JustPedophile/ can do is sumo, and even that just half-assed.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:44:35 2009 No.1980655 check my martial art it's called a gun and it has never lost to other martial art

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:44:51 2009 No.1980657 Most of the techniques do work, but you have to do them fast enough to catch the attacker off-balance and with a certain amount of force. The typical training methods really don't emphasize this enough.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:45:02 2009 No.1980660 File: 418 KB, 1024x683, 1233013502304.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Posting some fuckawesome nitō Kendo to spice this thread up a bit.

Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:45:59 2009 No.1980664

>>1980633
>There have been many recorded incidents of Shaolin monks using kung fu to fight off 10+ attackers, your argument is moot

You are not a shaolin monk, nor do you have 50 years to perfect your technique. KM gives you moves that can cripple your opponent and can be learned in half a year.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:47:39 2009 No.1980674 >>1980657 >The typical training methods really don't emphasize this enough. Exactly the problem. If you practice half-assedly you're only gonna get skilled att fighting half-assedly. Contact sports doesn't suffer from this problem.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:47:50 2009 No.1980677 >>1980467 Too bad a sword or naginata still kills you. PROTIP: An empty hand is faster than either of those.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:47:55 2009 No.1980679 File: 88 KB, 360x277, 1233013675620.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1980660 Fencing>Kendo

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:48:49 2009 No.1980682 >>1980664 It only takes around 20 years to perfect your technique assuming you trained since birth at 16+ hours a day

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:49:00 2009 No.1980696 >>1980467 >Too bad a sword or naginata still kills you. Don't you watch any anime? Blade trap technique motherfucker!

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Mon Jan 26 23:49:45 2009 No.1980692 >>1980682 Twenty years. 2 decades. All to have some guy shoot you.

Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:50:11 2009 No.1980698

>>1980655

Your gun is only good if you can draw, accurately aim, and fire before you're disarmed. Of course, that's assuming you have your small firearm with you. Considering the numerous places where you cannot carry and the inherent limitations, depending solely on your firearm in a situation is conceding defeat.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:50:17 2009 No.1980701 File: 87 KB, 600x839, 1233013817478.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] PROTIP: KIRINO REALLY SMELLS

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:50:54 2009 No.1980703 >>1980679 Fencing is for faggoty French fairies. Kendo is for real men who like to get shitfaced drunk after practice.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:50:55 2009 No.1980706 File: 9 KB, 323x380, 1233013855948.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hey gunfags, Katana here, just cutting your shit up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:50:59 2009 No.1980704 >>1980692 Yeah but if you were a shaolin monk in the past you were godly...

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:51:04 2009 No.1980715 >>1980692 Practising a martial art is way more rewarding than just the 'might come out of a voilent confrontation safe' part.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:51:48 2009 No.1980710 >>1980701 I would smell her for HOURS.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:51:59 2009 No.1980714 >>1980698 Do you have ninja reflexes, bro? Cuz if not, the gun wins. And if we're talking criminals showing up, they most likely have an illegal weapon. What about that, mofo?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Mon Jan 26 23:52:33 2009 No.1980718 >>1980703 >Fencing is for manly men who pride agility over brute force If I recall correctly, when they did a fencing vs. kendo challenge, the fencer won.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:52:49 2009 No.1980721 >>1980679 But fencing is gay so yeah

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:53:01 2009 No.1980726 >>1980714 How can weapons be illegal?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:53:16 2009 No.1980730 >>1980704 Heavy cavalry begs to differ

>>	ZUN !barYV1VtIA Mon Jan 26 23:54:11 2009 No.1980739 File: 11 KB, 131x225, 1233014051269.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1980706 Spoilers: They now have sword-proof bullets. Enjoy your swift death, Aikido Master.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:54:26 2009 No.1980737 >>1980677 Greater reach and one hit kill, no match for hands. Or no hands for this matter. That ain't your standard kitchen knife, that's a 75cm blade that makes you of whatever part of the body shorter that gets within it's reach.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:54:26 2009 No.1980740 >>1980679 What the heck? Is part of some kind of balestro he's doing?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:55:16 2009 No.1980750 >>1980726 They're illegal in most awesome hippie countries like the UK

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:55:35 2009 No.1980756 >>1980714 Do you have ninja reflexes, bro? No. But the other guy doesn't either.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:55:53 2009 No.1980757 >>1980718 No kidding. A thrusting weapon got an incredible speed advantage over a cutting. Too bad a large needle wont kill anyone though. Even if you pierce a guys heart, you'd still have to wait for him to bleed out.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:55:53 2009 No.1980759 Aikido is like Judo except it only works on cooperative partners.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:56:34 2009 No.1980764 >>1980737 Try again.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:56:40 2009 No.1980765 >>1980730 50 pounds of armour = fail, just kill the fucking horse and the knight won't be able to do shit

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Mon Jan 26 23:56:58 2009 No.1980766 >>1980740 It's a kind of lunge that's pretty much a last gambit, if I remember correctly. The first one to get penetration wins, so if they don't expect it, it could theoretically work.

>>	Aikido Mon Jan 26 23:57:34 2009 No.1980768 >>1980759 Aikido practitioners don't need to bulk up.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:57:57 2009 No.1980771 >The first one to get penetration wins I love to get penetrated, myself

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:58:30 2009 No.1980776 >>1980718 Why is it that whenever Kendo is brought up, some fencer has to come into the thread with his FENCING > KENDO shit? Inferiority complex much?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:58:41 2009 No.1980778 >>1980771 thats why you always lose anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:58:51 2009 No.1980779 >>1980776 FENCING > KENDO

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Mon Jan 26 23:59:18 2009 No.1980781

>>1980757
Hohoho, what. One in the lung, one in the heart, one in the neck, or one in a kidney will do in you real badly without proper medical help. You'll bleed internally real easily if you puncture any of the above. You certainly won't feel like standing, at any rate.

Aikifag Mon Jan 26 23:59:23 2009 No.1980782

Aikido is designed around multiple attackers, usually with weapons. Aikido does not claim to be the most powerful martial art. Aikido is a means to and end. That end being the culmination of the mind body and spirit. There are no tournaments in traditional Aikido. As an Aikidoka I have no reservations saying that Aikido CAN be an extremely powerful force if used correctly. This argument was null from the first post ,however. There is no point in arguing what martial art is "the best". If you are a true martial artist you wouldn't argue that any one is the best, you would know it depends upon the personal skill of a practitioner.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:59:32 2009 No.1980784 >>1980750 So are most other types of weapons. I figure it's just a matter of time before the UK mandates that all hands and feet be removed from all people because they might be used to punch or kick someone.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:59:39 2009 No.1980786 >>1980779 FENCING = KENDO

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 26 23:59:50 2009 No.1980788 >>1980779 Enjoy your gay.

>>	Aikido Tue Jan 27 00:00:44 2009 No.1980794 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ST1wRzfgmI Short Kendo VS Fencing

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:02:30 2009 No.1980804 >>1980782 The best defense is, by all accounts, a good offense, so the best defense is your potential opponent dead before he can even react. But that's considered murder, so...

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:02:57 2009 No.1980808 File: 154 KB, 334x500, 1233014577238.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1980776 Because poking with over-sized needles looks extremely gay and they have to compensate for it by trying to act cool. Pic related, it's the average fencer.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:04:01 2009 No.1980818 Kendo vs Fencing is fucking retarded. The scoring zones and legal strikes are completely different, seeing how they are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SPORTS. It'd be like saying, "HEY GUYS, LETS HAVE A SOCCER VS. BASKETBALL GAME, TO SEE WHICH ONE IS BETTER!!"

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:05:30 2009 No.1980820 >>1980808 You have no idea what you're talking about and your trolling will not dissuade any real enthusiast of fencing or any regular poster.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:06:44 2009 No.1980826 File: 31 KB, 432x252, 1233014804782.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Shaolin Kung Fu's so cool~! Oh oh yeah~!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:06:46 2009 No.1980827 FENCING. /jp/ RELATED.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:06:51 2009 No.1980828 >>1980818 basketball is obviously better

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:07:13 2009 No.1980835 inb4 Dragon Ball Evolution screencap

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:07:33 2009 No.1980832 >>1980828 THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THING.

>>	Aikido Tue Jan 27 00:08:54 2009 No.1980839 >>1980827 Fencing>Swords>Katanas>Japan>/jp/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:08:55 2009 No.1980842 File: 61 KB, 800x450, 1233014935657.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1980818 >It'd be like saying, "HEY GUYS, LETS HAVE A SOCCER VS. BASKETBALL GAME, TO SEE WHICH ONE IS BETTER!!" But how about a soccer vs kung-fu game?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:10:26 2009 No.1980848 >>1980839 Trained Gun Use > *

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:11:02 2009 No.1980852 >>1980839 Fencing > European > Adolf Hitler

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:11:14 2009 No.1980861 >>1980855 Depends on the terrain, but that's true more than half the time so I'll give you the point.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:11:18 2009 No.1980855 >>1980848 Properly Placed Remotely Detonated Explosives > Trained Gun Use > *

>>	dcanonymous Tue Jan 27 00:11:39 2009 No.1980857 >>1980768 sure you do, look at steven seagal's gut.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:11:44 2009 No.1980858 I practice Shaolin Kung fu. Snake, Crane, Leopard, Tiger and Dragon. We don't counter nor block. Everything we do is a movement.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:12:14 2009 No.1980862 >>1980842 Now we're just getting into Ranma 1/2 silliness. Without the sex changing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:12:33 2009 No.1980865 Some random guy having sex with his girlfriend right now > everyone in this thread.

>>	Aikido Tue Jan 27 00:12:33 2009 No.1980866 >>1980852 Fencing > European > Adolf Hitler > Axis Power > Japan> /jp/

>>	Aikido Tue Jan 27 00:13:01 2009 No.1980875 Disregard everything I said in this thread, I suck cocks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:13:17 2009 No.1980869 /jp/ - Powerlevels

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:13:23 2009 No.1980870 >>1980858 You don't counter or block? Do your dojo senseis still in the era of the Boxer Rebellion or something?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:15:38 2009 No.1980880 >>1980865 But we are having a serious discussion.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:18:11 2009 No.1980898 >>1980794 So the kendo guy got a scratch while the fencing guy got a massive bleeding from head. Yeah, fencer totally won.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:18:43 2009 No.1980900 >>1980880 On the internet.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:19:17 2009 No.1980903 >>1980527 Yeah, well. How good are they against western fighting styles? The good ol FUCKING FULL BODY TACKLE TO THE HEAD, AND IF THAT SHIT MISSES, YOU GRAB THE FUCKER AND BRING HIM DOWN TO THE GROUND WITH YOU.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:20:50 2009 No.1980911 >>1980898 That's one of the things I love about Kendo. All the strikes are major killing/maiming blows. Men strike = massive head wound Kote strike = hand cut off Dou strike = disembowelment Tsuki = cut carotid artery

>>	Aikido Tue Jan 27 00:20:52 2009 No.1980914 File: 34 KB, 640x360, 1233015652009.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1980898 He missed and lost his sword. Real sword battle, fencer would had killed the Kendo guy.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:22:17 2009 No.1980923 >>1980903 >How good are they against western fighting styles? The good ol CHUNK A FRAG GRENADE AT THEM WITH A SHORT FUSE AND WATCH THEM TRY TO DANCE THROUGH SHRAPNEL? The Marine response worked pretty well.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:23:50 2009 No.1980929 >>1980923 graze dat shit

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:25:06 2009 No.1980935 >>1980929 Makes me wonder why I don't see Touhous with more random grenade danmaku.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:25:27 2009 No.1980936

>>1980914

Real sword battle, they would have been using real swords with different handling characteristics and would be wearing real armor.

Kendo = sport
Fencing = sport

Just because you're good at one of these SPORTS doesn't mean you're a fucking SWORDMASTER. It just means you're good at a SPORT.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:26:16 2009 No.1980940 >>1980929 About as realistic as toting around a frag grenade, I guess.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:28:19 2009 No.1980948

>>1980936
Wearing armor isn't a boon for all swordsmen. It's heavy, off-balancing, and detracts from your range of motion depending on the type of armor.

Since the best way to win a fight is to kill someone before they can make a move, a fast, agile swordsman would be a better choice at times.

But then, if you're talking about sissies in armor plate running around with swords, real men bring out halberds, pikes, and bows.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:33:02 2009 No.1980966 >>1980948 Halberds, pikes, and bows are all safer forms of combat than swordfighting, which is absolutely brutal and, realistically, uses every part of the sword like a club.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:34:01 2009 No.1980978

Krav Maga + Other military martial arts > "Martial" arts

Aikido relies on coming up against a limited number of patterns, the opponent wearing that gay clothing and him being alone.

That said learning the basics of grappling from any discipline is very useful, once you get the sense for controlling momentum and hurting joints in a realish fight the rest comes together. Put it together with a few simple strikes and you've got something workable.

That said this is mainly from personal experience and I've only ever been in 2 real fights, both against drunks, once against 4 of them (I ran for a bit then took on the closest guy, ran then did it again, ran and then they didn't follow). Living in the UK you always have to be careful not to be the one to take it to far, so I've never seen what the proper end result is (that is a fight till one of you can no longer fight) so it's more important just to break their resolve as opposed to their necks.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:34:20 2009 No.1980972 White Ren, I really love how you have no idea about what you are talking about. In fact after reading all of your posts, I can easily tell that you are probably a overweight loser who has never held a sword or practiced a martial art in your life.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:35:25 2009 No.1980983

>>1980966
>which is absolutely brutal

All melee fighting is like this. When the entire point of an exercise is how quickly and efficiently you can make the other person weigh less by having fewer appendages or less blood in their body, that's the definition of gruesome.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:36:55 2009 No.1980988 >>1980972 I'd hate to come to defense of Ren but this just another case of the pot calling the kettle black, and you sir, are black.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:37:39 2009 No.1980991

>>1980972
Absolutely correct, except for the fact that you're totally wrong.

I've done martial arts off and on for a while. I also don't even fit on the BMI. I'm too far to the left to fit any of their categories due to my height and weight.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:38:53 2009 No.1980997

>>1980983

No, because halberds are used to:

1) Put the axe end through someone's face or neck
2) Form a human wall with your fellow halberd fags and use the hook to dismount horsemen
3) Use the spearhead and grooves around it to pin and disarm someone in groups in a balance of offense and defense

Compare this to swordfighting, which is a lot more close quarters. The average European sword was not all that sharp, though still sharp enough to kill a man. But on the battlefield you more or less bludgeoned people to death with your sword, and with your free hand you beat the living hell out of them with your desperation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:40:02 2009 No.1981008 >>1980988 >pot calling the kettle black How so? not once in this thread did I post pretending to have knowledge about swordplay or hand to hand combat.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:43:01 2009 No.1981023

>>1980997

And this is why broadsword > katana

Broadsword starts off slightly blunt and ends slightly blunter. Not that it matters.
Katana starts off fucking sharp but after a while is slightly sharper than a wooden spoon without enough weight to be of use (there's a reason samurai wanted those one hit kills)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:43:04 2009 No.1981016 >>1981008 >overweight loser who has never held a sword or practiced a martial art in your life That part. I regret pointing out. I shouldn't have bothered because Ren always manages to look like an idiot no matter what.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:43:47 2009 No.1981022 >>1980997 Knight fag reporting that shield bashing was extremely used, as opposed to "free hand beating". Even with gauntlets on, hitting any part of an armor hurts.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:44:18 2009 No.1981025

Guys, Japanese martial arts of any type suck. Kendo teaches you how to move slowly in circles around someone, then have 1 second of movement translate into a win or loss, whereupon you stop and try again.

The average street fight lasts between 20 seconds to 2 minutes, rarely more. While you're fighting someone, his friend will donkey punch you in the back of the head, leaving you to bite down and cut off your tongue, something so painful that you will immediately be rendered stupefied and bleed to death within half an hour while in incomprehensible pain, or you will go down facefirst onto the pavement, breaking your nose and teeth, and then be kicked and punched to death.

The era of the duel is dead, faggots.

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:47:19 2009 No.1981043 >>1980997 I said all melee was gruesome, not necessarily that using a halberd to kill someone was necessarily more gruesome. You misread the point of my post.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:48:08 2009 No.1981050 File: 96.00 MB, 253x171, 1233017288065.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Hokuto Shinken > Japan

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:48:12 2009 No.1981049 fucking Knights would knee you in the nuts

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:48:37 2009 No.1981053 >>1981023 A katana is a saber, it's curved, thus it relies on cutting instead of chopping - which is what heavy, straight swords do (when not stabbing).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:49:47 2009 No.1981061 >>1981053 >cutting instead of chopping Huh?

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 00:50:15 2009 No.1981065 >>1981049 Anyone that doesn't go for a/THE sweet spot in a fight is just crazy.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:50:22 2009 No.1981066 In my opinion, the strongest japanese martial art is Ninjutsu

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:51:53 2009 No.1981073 >>1981061 Chopping is force going straight down, like how you use an axe, while cutting is how you slice a piece of bread, almost like sawing.

>>	Kaguya !DjF4loFF3Y Tue Jan 27 00:53:19 2009 No.1981081 File: 23 KB, 822x301, 1233017599057.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] BUT CAN YOUR AIKIDO DEFEND AGAINST GUN?

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:54:59 2009 No.1981086

>>1981043

Depending on your definition of "gruesome," either all combat(melee and ranged) is gruesome, or some are more gruesome than others. Not all melee combat is gruesome; spearing someone with a halberd is very quick, very efficient, and meticulously organized. The reach of a halberd and the tactics associated with it(by nature defensive) meant that three men with halberds and a knowledge of three simple formations could deal with almost any threat. Any swordsman who would run at them would find himself disarmed and skewered in seconds. Quite cleanly, I might add.

That is a lot cleaner than sword combat, which usually involved hordes of men charging at each other, clashing in a horrific crashing of steel, and then bludgeoning each other to death with swords and shields, kicking each other with braced feet, for possibly hours at a time.

If you think only melee combat is gruesome, then you've never seen the amount of blood that something can expel upon being shot, or seen the effects of a gunshot wound. One of my friends has been shot in the past. According to him, it feels like a white hot, molten steel bolt plowing into your skin, and then exploding in your flesh. The shock of it is instantaneous and severely dehabilitating. The reaction you undergo when you're shot is terrifying for you and anyone who sees it, because it triggers the human fear of mortality.

You're a faggot.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:55:14 2009 No.1981089

Hey guys.

In Aikido to advance to a black belt the test comprises of you taking on something like 6 opponents at once. What is this designed for only one person =/

Also the secret that every good martial artist knows, is don't get involved in a fight.

>>	Aikido Tue Jan 27 00:55:36 2009 No.1981090 >>1981081 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuIdkQcWhxc Useless against Aikido.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:56:10 2009 No.1981097 >>1981073 Man, I really am stupid. I get it now, thanks.

>>	Kaguya !DjF4loFF3Y Tue Jan 27 00:57:06 2009 No.1981111 >>1981090 >Pistol to the head, hostage style Cool setup bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:57:45 2009 No.1981108 >>1981090 Aikidofag disarms man with gun through freak luck if the sight of seeing a gun doesn't immediately cause him to freeze and shit himself. Gets stabbed in the back by second man.

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Tue Jan 27 00:58:37 2009 No.1981116

Go out in the world, see a man have his jaw cracked in half and his teeth fly, cut the fingers or a foot off of someone and see the panic in their eyes, kill a baby at its mother's breast and watch a boy of only 13 keeping his opened gut in with his hands before you kick him while he's down.

Then, and only then, does anyone have a valid opinion about martial arts.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 00:59:04 2009 No.1981121 File: 211 KB, 500x608, 1233017944765.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1980866 DID SOMEONE SAY AXIS POWERS?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:00:39 2009 No.1981134 >>1981090 What do you do when the gunman is several feet away?

>>	Aikido Tue Jan 27 01:01:15 2009 No.1981137 >>1981134 You run.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:02:05 2009 No.1981142 >>1981116 It's not about actually seeing those things, it's about telling everyone on the internet that you did.

>>	HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Tue Jan 27 01:04:26 2009 No.1981156 >>1981142 Not having done any of that, my opinion isn't valid either. Thus creating a loop.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:04:26 2009 No.1981157 >>1981116 We're talking about sport/self-defense martial arts here,not genocide. Cool story though bro.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:05:53 2009 No.1981163 >>1980794 What the shit? That's Trivia no Izumi. Best show ever.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 01:07:35 2009 No.1981172

>>1981086
You went off on a diatribe for no reason.

You are the faggot, here, anonymous.

Also, for all your "swords are gruesome" talk, I would posit that explosives are a hundred times more gruesome, by your definition, than swords or a bullet.

You never know if a shell/grenade/mine is coming, when it does there's no escape, when it hits everything flies to pieces, and if you survive...

... there's always the maddening, absolutely horrible smell of burnt human flesh mixed in with smoke and assorted organic/inorganic debris which never, ever goes away from your memory.

That's a hell of a lot more frightening than a bullet hitting a guy next to you.

Oh, and then there's flamethrowers, God's proof that he hates every living thing on the battlefield.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:09:31 2009 No.1981178

>>1981172

Flamethrowers are banned by the Geneva Convention and are not used by any standing army in the world. They are also too unwiedy for rogue states to use. Explosives are gruesome, I don't recall saying they weren't, and artillery counts as a form of ranged combat, something you would know even if you had only played Advance Wars.

However, you are still the faggot here, because after saying I went on an unrelated tangent, you went on an even more unrelated one. ololololololol

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:10:47 2009 No.1981184 >>1981172 Aikido > Artillery shell You grab it and by using its own momentum against it you can easily push it to the ground

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:11:05 2009 No.1981195 Are you guy mad? Start with martial arts and end with weapon. Even Japaneses themselves told you need 3 times better than who held the sword, let alone the gun.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:14:09 2009 No.1981205 Aikido and kendo are both sports done in controlled environments, with codes of conduct, rules, etc. Realistically, you would get your clock cleaned if you ever tried this shit in an actual fighting situation.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 01:14:28 2009 No.1981207

>>1981178
You were the one that started talking about pistols, which, last I checked, were ranged weapons. I merely proved that ranged weapons have levels of gruesomeness, which you said about melee weapons.

The thing that's funny is that I never disagreed with you on swords being more brutal. I just said halberds, etc. are better forms of fighting in melee, which you agreed with.

You keep going under the assumption that I'm somehow contesting you on something, but I just said you misread what I said. I said "all melee fighting is gruesome," not that "all melee fighting is equally gruesome." Then you started on a diatribe which ended with "You are a faggot."

You're awesome, dude.

>something you would know even if you had only played Advance Wars.

Oh, cool. Did you come up with that yourself or ask your brother to think of it?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:15:10 2009 No.1981211 >>1981184 Whereupon it detonates from its drag against the ground. That's assuming it's not falling on your to begin with. So, let's resume: Aikido > Momentum Momentum > Shell Shell > Aikido

>>	White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 01:16:22 2009 No.1981218 >>1981207 >Flamethrowers are banned by the Geneva Convention and are not used by any standing army in the world. Swords aren't used by any standing army in the world either, except as decoration. Neither are pikes or halberds. So... what?

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:18:55 2009 No.1981233
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>>1981207

lol my brother... oh white ren ur so clever

>>1981218

So, I don't understand why you decided to bring up flamethrowers, when the discussion is about swords. Must be like how you decided to bring up halberds and pikes, when the discussion was about swords and aikido.

Nice double posting, too. Did you jump the gun in your butthurt?

HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Tue Jan 27 01:18:56 2009 No.1981231

Everytime I hear martial arts described as "sports", it makes me sick.
Every martial art that exists is centered around killing/maiming/otherwise injuring another person. Some don't work, some are just plain silly, some are dumbed down to fit into modern society, but the central theme remains the same. You learn something meant to be used - under the right circumstances - for killing people. Whether you choose to use it or not is entirely up to you - the martial art itself doesn't care.
Talking about martial arts as innocent "sports" is nothing but a form of self-deception. "Peaceful" martial arts are akin to cats playing with food.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:19:01 2009 No.1981235 >>1981184 Reminded me of the multi-robot fighting scene in the Casshern movie. Still laughed.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:20:38 2009 No.1981237

>>1981231

A long time ago, a group of Chinese warrior monks thought that practicing their kung fu would not only make them skilled enough to fight British colonists on equal grounds, but make them impervious to their bullets as well.

They were wrong.

Martial arts are a sport now.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:29:57 2009 No.1981276 >>1981184 You grab it and by using its own momentum against it you can easily throw it back at the gun Fixed

>>	HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Tue Jan 27 01:30:03 2009 No.1981277 >>1981237 You missed the point entirely. Martial arts become obsolete. It doesn't change what they were originally created for.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:31:07 2009 No.1981284 >>1981237 Lies spread by westerners who were fearful about the potential of kung fu

>>	Aikido Tue Jan 27 01:32:10 2009 No.1981287 File: 40 KB, 328x475, 1233019930425.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1981237

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:33:41 2009 No.1981293 >>1981287 Chow Yun-Fat God, what a name.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:36:04 2009 No.1981311 >>1981237 That was a slogan for the Boxer's Rebellion not meant to be taken literally.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:38:26 2009 No.1981319 File: 24 KB, 304x500, 1233020306834.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ..... i know kung fu

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:40:31 2009 No.1981330 Exparts

>>	HelenXonpool !a0yHhBwvus Tue Jan 27 01:43:15 2009 No.1981338 >>1981284 >>1981287 >>1981319 ... on second thought, thinking of martial arts as sports perhaps isn't such a severe delusion after all. It can always be worse.

White Ren !YLuFFdRcFQ Tue Jan 27 01:54:36 2009 No.1981384

>>1981233
I brought up halberds and such because the conversation became about "Broadsword vs. Katana," which everyone of these threads devolves into. My answer to which was better was the above. I brought up flamethrowers and explosives because I wanted to illustrate what was more gruesome and impersonal in the long run than a swordfight.

>Nice double posting, too.
I had a thought I wanted to add. Thanks for inquiring.

>Did you jump the gun in your butthurt?
No. I went and ate a pizza, because you got boring.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 01:56:18 2009 No.1981394 Martial arts is not a sport it is a way of life, it trains the body and purifies the soul to the quality of a gods

>>	aikido expert Tue Jan 27 01:59:54 2009 No.1981408 a retard who learnt aikido is still a retard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 02:02:06 2009 No.1981416 File: 9 KB, 231x167, 1233021726777.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1981394

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 02:02:12 2009 No.1981418 Brazilian Jiu-jitsu And you're dead.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 02:08:48 2009 No.1981442

FURTHER PROOF THAT KUNG FU IS THE ULTIMATE MARTIAL ART

Huo Yuanjia's fame came in 1901 when he responded to a challenge advertised by a wrestler from Russia in Xiyuan Park, Tianjin. The wrestler had openly insulted the Chinese, calling them "Sick man of Asia" and the "Weak Men of the East" because no one would accept his challenge to a fight. When Yuanjia accepted his challenge, the Russian who claimed to be the strongest man in the world forfeited. He told Huo Yuanjia that he was merely putting on a performance and that he had to make such challenges in order to make a living. Huo Yuanjia asked the Russian if he would write an apology in the newspaper, which the Russian reportedly obliged.

Between 1909 and 1910 accompanied by his apprentices Liu Zheng Sheng and Zhang Wen Da, he traveled to Shanghai twice to accept an open challenge posed by a boxer from Britain named Hercules O'Brien (Ou-Pin). O'Brien insisted on Western boxing rules limiting attacks to punches above the waist. Huo Yuanjia, on the other hand, was more accustomed to the rules of Chinese Leitai challenge matches, which had a different set of rules. They finally agreed that the first person to knock down his opponent would be considered the winner. However, O'Brien never fought Yuanjia, opting to leave town instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 02:11:34 2009 No.1981449 >>1981442 2 GUYS WUSSED OUT OF THEIR FIGHTS, MAN KUNG FU IS SO AWESOME

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 02:13:58 2009 No.1981458 >>1981449 The strongest Russian in the world got owned by a 100 pound midget the boxer was the one that pussed out

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 02:21:02 2009 No.1981494 Jesus Christ, is this still here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 02:21:04 2009 No.1981489 >>1981449 Butthurt whitey can't face the truth.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 02:22:37 2009 No.1981497 Jesus Christ, is this still here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 02:31:32 2009 No.1981524 File: 17 KB, 400x427, muay-thai3.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] mmmm... so much butthurt in this thread

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 04:01:48 2009 No.1981887 Aikido = /a/ Brazilian Jiujitsu = /b/ Judo = /jp/ Prove me wrong.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 04:08:42 2009 No.1981931 >>1981887 Aikido takes many of its techniques from Judo. Therefore Judo= /a/ Aikido=/jp/

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 04:16:55 2009 No.1981974 >>1981931 >Aikido = /a/ gaiafags >Brazilian Jiujitsu = /b/ normalfags >Judo = /jp/ oldfags Makes sense when you think about it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 04:25:36 2009 No.1982037 Im a professional boxer and I think I can handle a challenge with a professional karate!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 04:28:20 2009 No.1982047 Muay Thai was here, all other fighting styles is a loser.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:03:46 2009 No.1982232 File: 77 KB, 475x549, 1233032626629.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] aikido is nothing compared with this

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:04:15 2009 No.1982236

>>1981442

After which he died from Chinese medicine's 'traditional' use of arsenic. Thus proving that Arsenic > Kung-fu.

Aikido is one small, bit of old-fashioned Jujutsu. It's meant to be studied with Judo, and it's mainly aimed at cops trying to arrest people. For that it works pretty well because a good deal of the techniques end with a person in a position from which they can be easily cuffed. AIkido is a specialized tool that does a limited number of things well. Consequently; If you don't study Judo, jujutsu, or some other more general grappling art along with Aikido you're a fool.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:06:09 2009 No.1982250 >>1982047 Muay Thai is a sport; an incredibly over hyped sport.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:06:55 2009 No.1982254 >>1981974 >Brazilian Jiujitsu = /b/ >normalfags Does not compute.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:12:47 2009 No.1982285 Bruce Lee > Japan

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:17:52 2009 No.1982304 >>1982285 amazing all your Chinese supermen died young mostly of their own stupidity with chemicals. (Gee, I'll take this strange medication, oh hey there's aspirin in it die)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:18:56 2009 No.1982308 >>1982304 There is so much stupidity in that post.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:19:33 2009 No.1982310

>>1980450
If following your logic, then every Japanese martial artist's would like to learn the same art. You guys didn't take all factors into decision but merely stating the outcome.

Imagine Sumo vs Aikido. Who would win in real fight or in a tournament?

Martial arts is like music: both depend on the artist performing whether the art is beautiful or repulsive.

Its all coming back to the person, not the art they are learning of.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:20:56 2009 No.1982318 >>1982310 This is probably the smartest post of today. Not like it was hard.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:22:00 2009 No.1982328

I'm sorry fellas, Muay Thai has proven itself in the ring in many competitions across Asia, winning against all manners of martial arts including karate, BJJ, and Kung Fu even despite cheating chinks stealing modern moves and claiming it as "traditional" (Sanshou).

Anything else is just talk.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:31:04 2009 No.1982367 >>Muay Thai has proven itself in the ring in many competitions across Asia You pretty much lost the argument at "In the ring."

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:31:34 2009 No.1982362 I'm a little curious about this thread, but I'm not gonna read through 200 posts. Can anyone who has participated in this thread for a while sum it up?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:33:45 2009 No.1982374 >>1982362 People bitching about which fighting style is better. That's all you need to know. On the bright side, this thread wasn't shitty enough to invoke another Chuck Norris joke.

>>	Anonymous2007 !7AnImelIIg Tue Jan 27 05:34:36 2009 No.1982376 >>1982328 It's Gung Ho you dolt!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:36:38 2009 No.1982383 As long as the martial art we practice makes us happy, then thats that right? RIGHT

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:49:17 2009 No.1982426 Holy fuck, has anyone watched rurouni kenshin? That sword style will f*cking own anyone. My little cousin is learning it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:50:34 2009 No.1982428 >>1982426 ITS A CARTOON

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:51:09 2009 No.1982431 >>1982428 FOR KIDS

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:53:12 2009 No.1982438 >>1982431 It's ok I'm from Finland.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:53:35 2009 No.1982439 >>1982428 >>1982431 It's based of a real, existing style though. Doubt it's what his brother is learning tho

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:56:52 2009 No.1982451 NO MARTIAL ART CAN DEFLECT A GUN!!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 05:59:11 2009 No.1982464 >>1982451 (genuflect)

Cyrus !!abIc2O8kqZb Tue Jan 27 06:00:11 2009 No.1982468

Sorry to burst your bubble but Chinese martial arts is superior. The only worthwhile Japanese martial arts I've seen are Ninjutsu and Shorin Ryu. If I'm correct there's only one guy who mastered ninjutsu alive at the moment. Not including that guy I saw on fight science.

The only people who wanna learn ninjutsu now are weeaboos who watch Naruto and think they're gonna be able to do a rasengan or run on water.

Its a dying art.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 06:00:56 2009 No.1982470 File: 103 KB, 960x720, snapshot20090118015501.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Most powerful fighting style = being a member of the Yato clan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 06:02:11 2009 No.1982474 >>1982439 OH YEAH, AND YOU CAN FLY, LIKE GOKU HUH?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 06:08:11 2009 No.1982503 Martial arts depends on the skill of the individual, and there's no objective way to compare skill across different martial arts styles. This whole thread = moot.

Anonymous Tue Jan 27 06:09:11 2009 No.1982511

Guys, martial art was born from WAR. Which is to say, martial art is an art TO KILL your opponents efficiently. It is an art to SURVIVE. Period.

However, as the world currently has gone individualistic, all big-head can consider themselves the strongest if they are either can won a tournament or a fight.

In short, the most powerful martial art is those which can make the enemy surrender without even moving a finger.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 06:12:11 2009 No.1982526 >>1982511 Nuclear missile launched by brain waves?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 07:05:25 2009 No.1982756 File: 125 KB, 280x280, rika-broom.1220255087258.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>1980598 >unless you can show me a official vid of 1 aikaido user defeating 10 people simultaneously http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwQ41uDJg8#t=3m24s

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 27 07:15:27 2009 No.1982815 >>1982254 /b/ is full of so called "normalfags", who seek out relationships with other people for purposes including sex. Make sense now?

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