How does Yukari's Boundary Manipulation work?

[Anonymous No.]

Can she create and destroy things by adding or removing boundaries? Or can she only mess around with conceptual borders to alter things?

[Anonymous No.]

However the hell the narrative wants

She created the fantasy-reality barrier about 500 years ago and recently fucked the scam gods with "border of master and slave"

[Anonymous No.]

She has reached the ultimate level of power. She defines her personal boundaries with the universe and remakes it according to her craving. Only another person with similar power could hope to overcome her.

[Anonymous No.]

Nice spamming of threads, gapfag. You already know how her shit power works. Meanwhile Okina dabs on all that and can literally create youkai instantly, recreate Gensokyo if she wanted to, and teleport anywhere. Not to mention the fact that she has complete power of vitality and mental energy. This gives her complete power over the seasons, nature in general, and life energy.

You Yukarifags always shit out your fanon headcanon that Yukari is a eldritch lovecraftian being, but in reality she is nothing more than a youkai. Okina is the true eldritch creature. It is CANON that her true form is INCONCEIVABLE. She is made up of so many gods and facets that she cannot reveal her true form. That is what it means to be a hidden, absolute secret god.

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>>19727572

Okina and Yukari are on the same team dumbass, namely team protect Gensokyo

If they were gonna fight they would have already

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>>19727592
This is not about canon in-fighting. This is about retard gapfags who still think Yukari is the most powerul thing evar when several ither characters outrank her. They cope with this by spamming shitty Yukari threads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19727599

To be fair Yukari has out-plotted and mentally scarred an immortal heavenly knowledge god, she's more about intelligence than power.

Okina needs to her her manga and do something amazing before she can be as cool as Yukari, or considered to be the same intelligence level.

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>>19727641
power > intelligence
all the brains in the world can't save yukari from moonbitch tech, hecatia hax, or backdoor shenanigans

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>>19727533
It's basically omnipotence. Or >>19727551

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>>19727664

She was able to invade the Lunarians and get out completely unharmed, Hecatia's little LoLK plot only benefitted her (LC orb now in Gensokyo which Yukari is very happy about in Marisa's ending), and Okina's actions have all been helpful to Yukari's pet project of Gensokyo.

She's beatable in a direct fight but there will never be a direct fight with her where she doesn't come out even or ahead in every outcome.

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>>19727674
It's not omnipotence you fucking retard. This level of headcanon is extremely childish. Why are gapfags so dumb? This may have tricked people back in 2008 but now it's nothing more than a cringey sentiment that sounds like it's being expressed from an autistic child.

[Anonymous No.]

Manipulation is OP in touhou and powercanons are useless because -be honest with yourself- there will never be a "Okuu/Hecatia/Moonbitch/Insert powerlevelfag character here suddenly decides to use her FULL POWER!!111 and not hold back!! Immediately trying to kill everyone!" event in canon Touhou.

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>>19727687
Yukari can manipulate any boundaries, which includes boundaries between non-omnipotence and omnipotence. So yes, it can be called omnipotence. Also, you sound angry, have you considered taking a break from /jp/?

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>>19727678
I'm not saying they're immediate enemies, I'm just saying that they're more powerful. Sure, Yukari might outwit any one of them but those guys have pretty broken powers. Can you imagine what Okina could do with her vitality power? She can create youkai in an instant. She can create a new Gensokyo in an instant. What would happen if she took away vitality instead of giving it out? She could destroy a youkai in an instant. She could destroy Gensokyo in an instant. And that's not covering her vague ability over mental energy as well.
>>19727703
Powerlevel shit was never about discussing future events, just speculation based on what we know as canon abilities.

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>>19727716

That's cool fanon speculation based on what some text says (so Flan would be able to destroy Okina's power because she can destroy ANYTHING am I right?)

But Yukari actually -did- split fantasy and reality apart for Earth.

Has Okina -actually done- anything to show that kind of power besides create a mentally challenged statue youkai?

[Anonymous No.]

Yukari and Okina are two projections from the same unfathomable eldritch being

How else could they work in a coordinated way to protect Gensokyo while never meeting?

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>>19727714
Her control over boundaries was never given limits. It took her several trips to get to the moon and her own article describing this "limitless" power was written by herself. Even if she had it, "nigh omnipotence" wouldn't work in the face of a titan like Hecatia (canon strongest) or a god like Okina who could instantly poof Yukari out of existence anyway.
>>19727725
She literally said she could recreate Gensokyo. You do know what "recreate" entails, right? Destroy and make again. That is what power over vitality can do. It is canon that vitality maintains Gensokyo, as stated in Okina's profile. Okina creates youkai through opening backdoors and pouring vitality in. It can be assumed she created Gensokyo this way since it is canon that vitality maintains Gensokyo. Since it is also canon that she can destroy Gensokyo if she wanted to, what do you think that means? She takes out the vitality and Gensokyo collapses. If she can do that with Gensokyo she can do that with youkai, who are created the same way. Taking out the vitality means instant death. Destruction. By the way, Flandre's power to "destroy anything" is limited to physical objects and not concepts. A god like Okina may have a physical form that can be destroyable but she can always remanifest. Besides, a snap of the fingers and Flandre is drained from vitality, poofed out of existence. Unfortunately for Yukari, who is not a god, such a power would be deadly against her.
>>19727744
Yukari is just a youkai. Okina literally has no true form since it's inconceivable.

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>>19727750

"She is also one of the sages who created the Gensokyo of today.
She protects Gensokyo from the outside world, can move anywhere she likes, and at some point without realizing it at first, she gained a mysterious power to control both vitality and mental energy, which she uses for her duty of keeping Gensokyo's balance intact.
Her menial tasks are usually entrusted to her two douji servants that wait upon her (ie. Satono and Mai)."

She just uses it for keeping the balance it's not like Gensokyo sucks it from her breasts

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>>19727761
>keeping Gensokyo's balance intact
That's exactly what I was talking about. Yukari maintains the border (which she created with the help of a previous Hakurei miko) and Okina maintains Gensokyo itself (which she created presumably using vitality). Without the flow of vitality, Gensokyo would collapse. There would be no balance. Even if you somehow think Okina is a liar about her role in creating Gensokyo and maintaining it though vitality, WaHH clearly explains that her vitality creates youkai. What happens if she opens their back door and takes out the vitality? You obviously know but it seems too hard for you to accept.

[Anonymous No.]

Can Okinafags go back to their own thread? We don't shitpost in your thread, so why are you doing it to us?

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>>19727783

The fact Gensokyo has more youkai than Texas is entirely due to the fantasy-reality barrier Yukari created (Not the Hakurei barrier, that one is different)

Okina just randomly got her vitality power at some point and didn't even know (???)

If Yukari can play an amatsukami knowledge god for a pawn, Okina would basically have no free will in the face of Yukari given Okina being not a knowledge god is going to be significantly dumber and easier to manipulate.

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>>19727797
>The fact Gensokyo has more youkai than Texas is entirely due to the fantasy-reality barrier Yukari created (Not the Hakurei barrier, that one is different)
The fact that Gensokyo even exists at all is due to Okina. She did, after all, create it. And she can recreate it by herself any time she wants.
>randomly got her vitality power
We don't know when this happened, Okina has existed long before Gensokyo was created so this could have happened any point in the past. Also, if you're claiming that she didn't have it during the creation of Gensokyo, then it would have been impossible for her to "create" it. What would she do, open a door? No, she used her vitality power.
>if yukari can play an amatsukami knowledge god for a pawn...
Those brains sure wouldn't work well when they don't even exist. It will take just an instant for Okina to extract the vitality out of Yukari and destroy her. Not to mention the fact that she has power over MENTAL ENERGY as well (although we don't know what this entails, you could get the idea from the mere words of the ability).

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>>19727750
>Her control over boundaries was never given limits.
Exactly. That's why you can speculate however you want about it, up to and including omnipotence. I don't think you can put others down for speculating about it when you're doing the same for Okina based on your own theories and an instance of her bragging about herself, which doesn't mean anything, considering that gloating and being smug is one of Gensokyo's national sports. And besides, limits are boundaries too.
>It took her several trips to get to the moon and her own article describing this "limitless" power was written by herself
It was also written by ZUN in her SCoOW article.
>Even if she had it, "nigh omnipotence" wouldn't work in the face of a titan like Hecatia (canon strongest) or a god like Okina who could instantly poof Yukari out of existence anyway.
Hecatia isn't "canon strongest". Being on a different level from the inhabitants of the lunar capital and Gensokyo doesn't mean being the strongest, as there are plenty of characters living outside of those two places, including the ones with unspecified location like Yukari.

[Anonymous No.]

Yukari remains ZUN's favorite and "Yukari vs smugger and maybe more powerful Yukari" was already done in SSiB

Yukari won by trickery because Toyohime is too smug

And Okina seems even MORE smug than that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19727836

Yeah okay sure and those thousands of heavenly gods Yukari invaded in moon war 1 were able to instantly destroy her too

That's how it works against Yukari, and that's why Yukari was captured and sealed for invading them

Oh wait actually they were unable to do anything to her

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>>19727857
>bragging about herself
Oh, so you're just saying that Okina is lying just like I predicted, huh? Except that makes no fucking sense since her vitality power was clearly demonstrated in WaHH and it was literally stated in her profile (which was written by ZUN, not Okina) that she created Gensokyo. What are you gonna say next, that ZUN himself is lying? Pathetic. We know Okina created Gensokyo and can destroy or recreate Gensokyo using vitality, something that apparently maintains it's balance according to ZUN. She creates youkai the same way, as seen with her opening the backdoor of a komainu statue and pouring vitality into it, creating Aunn. If she can create and destroy Gensokyo using vitality, then the same applies to youkai. Yukari is not exempt from this. She is a youkai, not a god. Remember that.
>Hecatia isn't the "canon" strongest
Except she is. She is literally the leader of the yama and the ruler of all hells (and "otherworlds"), the overseer of the moon, and the overseer of Earth. If you want an inkling of how powerful Hecatia really is, just know that her soul is literally bound to hell and there is multiple hells. Hecatia has multiple bodies. If you want to permanently kill Hecatia then you have to somehow get past all the yama and oni in all the hells and destroy each and every one of Hecatia's bodies and souls. Such a task is impossible. You cannot destroy hell. Yukari literally cannot win against Hecatia. No one so far can. Even if Okina were to drain the vitality out of Heca, she would have to do that with her many souls and bodies (which, by that time, Hectia would have certainly already decimated her).
>>19727879
Those moon gods showed no capability of being able to control vitality, an ability unique to Okina and Okina only. Sorry, but all it takes is a back door opening on Yukari and she's finished. She will be instantly destroyed the moment her vitality is taken out.
>>19727871
This is not about who outwits who, this is about raw power in a hypothetical death match.

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>>19727789
Doorfags are just like their god, loud and intrusive.

[Anonymous No.]

Powerlevel discussions?
In my Touhou?

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>>19727918

And Yukari can instantly border away Okina's existence. Your point? You have to make up headcanon "No she's immune to that" to deny this.

Touhou doesn't have deathmatches please compare using setting-relevant metrics thanks

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>>19727918
Gensokyo was made by multiple sages using multiple powers, you complete dingus.

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>>19727986
Oh yes, the "border manipulation" back up. This is what Yukarifags fall on when all their arguments fail. Tell me, where does it say she can take away anyones power? Has she done that ever. Why has she not done that on the moon? In the vampire incident? During Imperishable Night? What about LoLK? All Okina needs to do is negate such an ability by removing the vitality. In fact, she opened the backdoors of everyone from the comfort of her own realm. She does not even need to be present to remove Yukari's vitality. Are you now gonna argue that Yukari is faster because she can move with gaps? That's funny because Okina has the same ability, just with doors. She can appear out of the door in Yukari's back if she wanted to and instantly remove the vitality then and there. They seem equally matched right now but once ZUN expands on her "mental energy" manipulation, Okina will clearly outrank Yukari (even though it's obvious she already does).
>>19727987
Yes, you dingus. Yukari created the boundaries and Okina created the mainland. We have no idea of Kasen's role or the presence of other sages.

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>>19728028

>When has Yukari ever done something? Therefore she can't haha

In 15.5 she's shown negating the power of the scam gods with border of master and slave

>Okina gets an instant kill ability she's never used, and that I just made up with ridiculous extrapolation

?

Also it says in the IN manual that Yukari can easily annihilate Gensokyo, so much for that.

Also I know you probably don't play the games, but Okina can't put a backdoor on someone if they don't take her power. That's literally how you win in 16 EX, Okina tries to backdoor the protag out again and fails.

[Anonymous No.]

If Okina goes to the moon and spews out so much life force all the Lunarians die I will convert

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>>19728052
>In 15.5 she's shown negating the power of the scam gods with border of master and slave
She doesn't take away their power, she just switched it the border of master and slave, making Shion the master and Jo'on the slave.
>Therefore she can't haha
Who are you quoting? You seem mad.
>Okina gets an instant kill ability she's never used, and that I just made up with ridiculous extrapolation
Who are you quoting? It is clearly explained how vitality works. She creates youkai using it. What do you think happens when she takes it out instead? It destroys. This vitality ability is what allowed her to create Gensokyo in the first place and what "balances it" (according to ZUN). Since Okina states that she can recreate it, she is literally implying that she could destroy Gensokyo by taking out the vitality and using said vitality to make another one. Since she can create youkai the same way she can create Gensokyo (using vitality), what do you think happens when she opens someone's backdoor and takes that vitality out? They crumble. They lose their essence and disappear.
>Also it says in the IN manual that Yukari can easily annihilate Gensokyo, so much for that.
When did I say Yukari couldn't do such a thing? Okina can also do that and recreate it. So what?
>Also I know you probably don't play the games, but Okina can't put a backdoor on someone if they don't take her power. That's literally how you win in 16 EX, Okina tries to backdoor the protag out again and fails
How embarrassing. How utterly embarrassing. This just tells me you read summaries out of something like the Touhou Wiki. The way Okina was defeared in 16 EX was because the protagonist entered through the door of doyou, the border between seasons. Since that happened Okina couldn't use her seasonal magic to kick the protagonist out of her realm. This has to do with cancelling her seasonal magic , not her ability of opening doors anywhere. I never implied using seasonal magic would defeat Yukari anyway. If Okina tried that then Yukari would use the doyou exploit and easily defeat her. Luckily, Okina isn't that stupid and wouldn't attempt such magic againt Yukari (for which she explicitly references that Yukari herself came up with the doyou exploit during Reimu's EX). To defeat Yukari Okina would just need to open a regular backdoor on her, like what she did with Aunn, and take out the vital energy instead of opening a seasonal back door. She could do all that from the leisure of her own realm anyway. Yukari can't manipulate boundaries from great distances so Okina could basically door teleport far away and take out Yukari's vitality safely and quickly.
>>19728086
This will happen.

[Anonymous No.]

The one doorfag who overexaggerates words from profiles thinks Hecatia's soul is literally hell, and not *in* hell like the text actually says.

Extending a youkai creation ability (that has only ever created a weak youkai) to be able to kill any youkai or entire worlds, hmm

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>>19728175
Do you know what "recreate" means? Okina can literally create and destroy Gensokyo using vitality. And she is not limited to creating weak youkai, dumb gapfag. She opened a door and poured vitality in a komainu specifically so that said komainu can spy for her. She says in that chapter that she can create youkai and recreate Gensokyo. If she can destroy Gensokyo by taking out vitality, she can destroy youkai by taking out vitality. Stupid gapfag. And by the way, Hecatia's profile states that she has multiple souls for multiple hells. She governs those hells. To kill Hecatia's souls is to attempt to destroy those hells. Good fucking luck trying to get to even one of those souls when a myriad of oni and yama reside in each hell. Why do you gapfags display such severe cognitive dissonance?

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>>19727918
>"She is also one of the sages who created the Gensokyo of today."
>one of the sages
Nice work twisting ZUN's words. How you got from it that she can instantly create and destroy Gensokyo, and is the one who created it in the first place, I have no idea. She worked with the other sages and has only ever created a small fry like Aunn.
>Except she is. She is literally the leader of the yama and the ruler of all hells (and "otherworlds"), the overseer of the moon, and the overseer of Earth.
Hecatia isn't the leader or ruler of anything, she's an independent denizen of Hell. Read her interview in AFiEU. Also, her core isn't bound to hell, it merely resides in it.
>>19728028
>Okina created the mainland.
That mainland existed long before the sages started messing with it, it was a region in the forests of Japan that later became isolated by the barrier.

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>>19728189

And Yukari claimed she has no weaknesses, and that even killing her is useless. So sorry, even if you kill Yukari by taking out her vitality she still wins.

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>>19728221
This is in IaMP by the way.

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>>19728220
You clearly haven't read WaHH, have you? Okina literally states she can recreate Gensokyo on a whim. That means destroying it and making a new one. She created Aunn as a strategic move to spy on the Hakurei shrine and Myouren temple. She says in her conversation with Reimu in the end of chapter 42 that she can create youkai in general. This is possible through pouring vitality in their backdoor, dumb gapfag. And she is the ruler of all hells you retard. It says so in her profile and it is explicitly stated when Eiki herself says that Hecatia is leader of their organization (all of the yama in all the hells). Yes, she has multiple souls since there is multiple hells. You think the yama and oni will stand there while you just go and damage it? No. You will face hundreds of oni and yama as you attempt to try and defeat all of Hecatia's souls in all of the existing hells. Such a feat is impossible for any of the characters we know so far. It is comparable to trying to destroy each hell. If you want to get to even one of the souls you must defeat all the oni and yama in that hell, thus destroying it.
>Okina created the mainland
What was meant by that was she secured the area in which Gensokyo was to be created and filled it with vitality, allowing for Gensokyo to be the fantastic place it is. Yukari worked on the boundaries and borders while other sages like Kasen did other things that are currently unknown.
>>19728221
>>19728226
Ah, yes. The immortal Yukari. You do realize what she meant by that was that during that time no one person could possibly defeat her, right? There was once a point where, yes, Yukari was the strongest. But such is not the case anymore. It's not 2004 anymore. A handful of characters could defeat her with ease now.

[Anonymous No.]

Doorfag claims:

>Okina created Gensokyo's land
>Okina actively works in Gensokyo's balance
>Okina could easily kill Yukari

So Okina is Yukari's slave, doing all that work so Yukari can have a playground that Okina hardly even shows her face in.

Nice.

[Anonymous No.]

The truth is that Okina and Yukari are the same person roleplaying as two different people.

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>>19728275
Okina doesn't give a shit about Yukari. Her dream, according to ZUN, was to create a land where people aren't discriminated. Where there is a balance. She has succeeded so far. Yukari was a valuable assest in helping Okina to create her dream world, thanks to her border and boundary maintaining skills. The entire reason Okina even made a fuss in HSiFS was because she wanted it to be known that she existed and that she was an invaluable part of creating Gensokyo.

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>>19728289

>Gensokyo
>A land where people aren't discriminated

This is comedy GOLD

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728289

Imagine doing all that work and needing to screw "I EXIST!" into the wind when Mamizou has only been in Gensokyo a few years and already makes "Yukari is the ruler of Gensokyo" jokes

[Anonymous No.]

Someone post the one where the dog says that Yukari is the most powerful but just isn't serious ``kudasai''

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>>19728308

Yukari doesn't even need power when a Lunarian sage / knowledge god trying to oppose her just ends up doing exactly what she wants.

She's too intelligent to even do anything against her in canon, that's why people have to make up "1v1 deathmatch" headcanon scenarios to say she would lose at something.

She's lost fights before, but they always turn out either positive or neutral for her goal-wise.

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>>19728316
Do not respond to me without fulfilling my request, faggot.

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>>19728317
This is the internet, pal. You can’t order me to do shit.

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>>19728296
ZUN's idea, not mine. Honestly the "plot" of Gensokyo and the barrier makes no sense. There is no balance in Gensokyo even though ZUN constantly writes his stories as if youkai and humans live in harmony. It makes no sense.
>>19728306
Pretty sure only the protags, Kasen, Eternity, Aunn, Yukari, the dancers and other sage know Okina exists. She was in the large picnic with everyone in the end of WaHH Ch 42 but she never interacted with anyone besides Reimu. Hoepfully ZUN develops her more.
>>19728308
Outdated when that happened before anyone knew of Hecatia's or Okina's existence.
>>19728316
Do you know what a fucking hypothetical is? Obviously Okina and Yukari would never fight, they're on the same side. This is an IF scenario. If such a thing were to happen, Okina would win easily.

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>>19728318
Oh yeah? I order you to do whatever you want regarding orders from anonymous people on the internet.

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>>19728325

Okina would be manipulated into trying to plot against Yukari but all of her actions would just be furthering Yukari's goals until it culminates in a massive defeat for Okina and a laughing, victorious Yukari.

Okina is dumber than Eirin and smugger too, it wouldn't even be a challenge worth Yukari's time really.

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>>19728336
This is not a battle of wits, this is a death battle. There is no talking here. Just fighting. And based on power alone, Okina would win. If Okina even suspected for a second that Yukari were deceiving her she would instantly take her vitality out. This is not to mention the fact that Okina has another mysterious ability, the power to manipulate "mental energy". That sounds pretty bad for Yukari's brain if the ability title is to be trusted. Hopefully ZUN expands more on that so this argument can finally end in a landslide Okina victory.

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>>19728347

As was earlier said, you have to make up fights that don't happen in Touhou (DEATH BATTLE!!1) for anyone to even have a chance against Yukari, thanks for the confirm.

Within Touhou's actual setting, with how the writing is done, Yukari is far more effective than mega smug powerhouse god because plots are more often shown than direct battles.

Go make a KKHTA fanfic about your death battles (don't forget to like and subscribe! Next time Okina vs Sans!)

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>>19728364
>you have to make up fights that don't happen in Touhou
Are you fucking retarded? This is a HYPOTHETICAL. Of course it would never happen, they would never fight each other. They're on the same side. The fact that you have to bring up shitty memes is telling of you inability to cope with the fact that Okina could easily crush Yukari. Remember, she can manipulate "mental energy", whatever that means. Sure doesn't sound too good for your fanfiction omnipotent, omniscient Yukari. If manipulation of mental energy is anything like the manipulation of vitality then Yukari is screwed in this battle no matter how hard you force shitty memes and fanon..

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>>19728380

It means about as much as Eirin knowing Yukari was plotting against her. Is Okina stronger than a Lunarian sage who was capable of teleporting the entire moon?

What do you think Eirin could do to Yukari in a direct fight? Did it matter? Keep in mind, Okina is probably retarded compared to Eirin.

[Anonymous No.]

All Okina has done so far is a few magic tricks, powerlevel shitpost about herself for a WaHH episode, and bully a literal child in 16.5

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>>19728380

It might not be hypothetical

Okina and Yukari might have a severe disagreement on how Gensokyo should be run at some point, and this might be the basis for a manga (Okina will probably get a manga arc at least since Kasen got WaHH and Yukari got Bougetsushou)

And then the disagreement conflict will be expressed by the two trying to plot against each other, not a death battle

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>>19728387
>is okina stronger than a lunarian sage
Yes and no. Since it is a hourai immortal we are talking about then no one can truly defeat her, not even Okina. In terms of raw power? Yes. Eirin would get tired of trying to fight Okina since she has an infinite amount of vitality to drain. It would be a stalemate.
>what could eirin do to yukari
Nothing. Eirin couldn't challege Yukari seriously because her magic would be useless in the face of border manipulation. But she wouldn't die either since she is immortal. Another stalemate
>Okina is probably retarded...
Okina has power over "mental energy". I'm sure she is as every bit as cunning as Yukari. And if it works like her vitality ability then she could drain mental energy. RIP le big brain mary sue.
>>19728394
Except for the fact that ZUN confirms her powers of vitality and her capability to create Gensokyo in her profile. What, is ZUN now lying? Maybe you should have read the thread before making the retarded "Okina is lying" non-argument.
>>19728412
Okina and Yukari have the same motive, they want Gensokyo to be haven for youkai while being balanced for the native humans there. It is Kasen who disagrees with both of them. Kasen wants to tear the border down. Kasen outright says she doesn't like Okina and we all already know Kasen's behavior around Yukari.

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>>19728424

So if Okina has infinite vitality and can instantly drain an unlimited amount (somehow derived from 'manipulation')

Instantly killing every Oni and Yama in hell and defeating Hecatia would be ezpz for her right?

[Anonymous No.]

It's like arguing with someone who says Rumia's ability to manipulate darkness means she can instantly destroy all light in the universe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19728449
No, it would not. Okina would suffer against the yama, who have authority over her. Did you not know that the Matarajin serves Lord Enma? Not to mention the fact that a holy Buddhist god like Matarajin would never commit such a sin. Hecatia could instantly send Okina to hell if she were to try that.
>>19728458
Wow, it's almost like you're retarded or something. Okina can drain or give out vitality. That is how she is able to recreate Gensokyo or create youkai. If she can destroy Gensokyo by draining it's vitality then she can destroy youkai by draining their vitality. Rumia is a weak youkai who can only do so much with her abilities. Okina is a god. If Rumia were a god I'd imagine that, yes, she would be able to blot out all light. Stop making retarded comparisons.

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>>19728458
That's like comparing Cirno to Kanako. This was a dumb post.

[Anonymous No.]

Seriously, why is the doorwanker even here, instead of image dumping in their own thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19727533
Youkai are liars, they probably overblow the extent of their abilities as a bluff.

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>>19727725
rude dude!

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>>19727925
no need to insult the keener just because someone's sperging out over her and yukarin

[Anonymous No.]

Much as I don't care for Okina due to the same powerlevel fanwank Yukarifags insist on, I at least have to thank Okinafags for not shitting up half the board.

[Anonymous No.]

ZUN is just saving Okina's originally intended design for after the Yukari fight!

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>>19727558
Hecatia mop the floor with Yukari's head whenever she want.

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>>19730450

Nah nobody hurts Yukari not even all the Lunarians at once when Yukari wages war on them

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>>19731750
Retard. Hectia can effortlessly defeat both Okina and Yukari at the same time.

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>>19729135
>shitting up half the board
>thinks that’s a bad thing

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>>19730134
Okina, as the Matarajin, is a god of hindrances, a god of noh, a god of the stars, a god of the discriminated, a god of silkworms, a god of preserving dharma, a god of complete darkness, a god of ennen, a god of ox, a god of pestilence, a god of three faces, a god of ginger, a god of the rear door, a god of nenbutsu and so forth. Her identities range between demons like the yaksha, rakshasa, and dakini to a surplus of gods like Mahakala, Shinra Myojin, Taizan Fukun, Myoken, Sekizan Myojin, Dakiniten, Gozu Tenno, Daikokuten, Konpira, Okuninushi, the Saptamatrikas, Hariti (Kishimojin), Kali, Fudo Myo-o, Hata no Kawakatsu, and even Susano-o himself. That is how complex Matarajin's identities are. Okina's true form cannot be revealed as it is incomprehensible. This is what makes her an absolute secret god. She can appear in a myriad of forms, even as if to look disabled. With Okina's mastery over the backdoor and manipulation of vitality and mental energy, Yukari stands no chance. Okina is the strongest non-Hecatia god in the series. Yukari is a youkai. Step back.

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So much wanking...

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Okima is Yukari, you'll never see them in the same room

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>>19735507
Not this stupid theory again...

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>>19727678
>She was able to invade the Lunarians and get out completely unharmed
She only went to the moon once and got beaten up badly with every other youkai there being either killed or sealed
She isn't even a good keikaku master either since shit keeps getting out of her control all the time (and Reimu being the reason why everything doesn't fall apart). If her plans are so good then why she would get all paranoid just because a bunch of fairies started to live on the shrine?

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>>19742590

>Got beaten up badly

Citation needed, they tried to capture her (Eirin teleported the moon to close her portal and prevent her escape) and obviously failed.

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>>19731750
Lost the first battle and her revenge was just getting a ghost to steal some sake
What other great feats the dirty hag has?
Making gensokyo?
She only made the boundaries while Okina and Kansen's dragon made everything actually work
Defeating Suika?
Just after everyone softened her up
Defeating Tenshi?
She is literally a pushover
Defeating Reimu?
Okina did that as well

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>>19742639

Mentally scarring a knowledge god, this is stated in 3rd person omni there is no denying this

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>>19732237

Neato headcanon. Hecatia is too weak to get into the dreamworld and take Chang'e by force for more than 6 months.

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>>19742650
Nice headcanon. It was explicitly stated that Hecatia was playing around and was not serious with Junko at all. Hecatia didn't care about Chang'e particularly and was just doing a favor for her friend, Junko. Hectia could have destroyed the entire Lunar Capital if she wanted to but doing so would be a bad idea as that would mean the Lunarians in the dream world would be forced to purify (destroy) Gensokyo and live there. I assume Hecatia, being the leader of all realms' hells, already knew about Gensokyo and wouldn't want to fill its hell with all those souls. That would disrupt samsara, an effect that is contrary to what her organization's goals are. This was Junko's battle anyway, not Hecatia's. It is Junko who wanted to kill Jouga herself. By the way, ZUN said Hecatia was playing around himself. He also said she's way past the level of anyone in the Gensokyo and the Lunar Capital. She's the leader of the all the yama for fuck's sake. She has multiple souls and bodies. Of course she's the most powerful yet.

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>>19742691

Killing everything in Gensokyo would kill the entire Earth according to ZUN, moontards would be killed first by [insert every god from every religion here]

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>>19742704
This, it didn't matter in the end anyway. Okina and Yukari and Kasen along with all of the Earth's gods would have BTFO lunarfags anyway. Hecatia probably already knew Junko's plan would fail but decided to play along anyway because it would be fun. Sure beats sitting in hell and counting souls all day.

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>>19742646
Being so retard that would give a knowledge god nightmares isn't that hard
You are even doing it right now

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>>19742745

The shitposter was Eirin all along trying to annoy Yukari it makes so much sense now.

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>>19727533
Doki doki

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>>19727572
>literally create youkai instantly
No, she can't. She created Aunn out of a komainu statue at the shrine which probably already held a considerable amount of spiritual energy from it's position and simply gave it the final push to become a youkai.
It's not hard to create a youkai the miracle mallet and scrolls from Suzunaan can do it too.

>recreate Gensokyo if she wanted to
Aren't you confusing her with Yukari here? Okina has no power to create things, only to empower.

>teleport anywhere. Not to mention the fact that she has complete power of vitality and mental energy. This gives her complete power over the seasons, nature in general, and life energy.

Everything here, Yukari can do too, and she do it better.
And she also isn't limited to this, she can do ridiculous stuff like fucking with conceptual boundaries.

>true form is INCONCEIVABLE
Like Nue? Wow, so impressive.

I feel like every Okinafag who hates on Yukari is just someone who actually likes Yukari but doesn't want to look like a secondary for liking a very popular character. Now you are trying to convince yourself that Okina is better when really she has done nothing that is more impressive than what Yukari has done.

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>>19748317
>creation of youkai
It was stated in WaHH that Okina created Aunn by filling an empty komainu statue with magic (vitality). Okina herself also says she can make youkai in the same chapter.
>recreate gensokyo
Okina herself says that she can recreate Gensokyo in WaHH. Okina is not lying. This is supported by ZUN because he says that Okina's power over vitality is what keeps Gensokyo in balance in the first place. ZUN also said Okina dreamed of making a world where people weren't discriminated and that she was a sage who created Gensokyo. Yukari only helped through creating the boundaries that separate Gensokyo and the outside world. Since Okina maintains Gensokyo with vitality, she probably created it with vitality as well. To recreate it she would need to take out the vitality (destroying Gensokyo) and make annew Gensokyo with said vitality.
>boundary shit
Okina can instantly kill Yukari by removing her vitality.
>true form is inconceivable
This is something expressed by ZUN.
>like Nue
Nue already showed her true form you dunce.

Okina created Gensokyo and is capable of destroying it. She can make youkai and destroy youkai. We also know she has a power over mental energy as well but we don't know what it does (sounds pretty bad for Yukari though). Okina is the amalgamation of more than 20 gods. She maintains the entirety of Gensokyo, not just it's barriers. If this were a law enforcement agency Okina would be the chief and Yukari would be a cop.

And why are you acting so offended? Okina and Yukari are on the same side, they both want to maintain Gensokyo as is. Kasen, meanwhile, actively dislikes Okina and wants the border to go down. It's just that Okina is the strongest sage so far. Calm down.

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What an austistic thread.

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Verily

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Bringing the thread back on track

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>>19756600
>on track
Give me that train!

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>>19757908

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>>19727533
We don't fucking know because contrary to what years of autistic visual novels and light novels and manga have told us every detail of a supernatural power or fantasy world in general does not need to be overexplained to death.

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>>19727533
"the edges of my borders cannot be found"

direct quote

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>>19761945
well that wasn't a lie because gensokyo is basically an infinite plane that expands when it needs to
thank okina's power flow and yukari's WALL (the youkai payed for it)
kasen is a lazy onigger who does nothing but walk around all day

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>>19727533
essentially yukari can shape and manipulate boundaries — physical, material, spiritual, existential, pataphysical, conceptual, metaphysical, and so on. Since everything is existentially and conceptually defined by boundaries, the possibilities offered are limitless — for limits themselves are nothing more than the boundary Possible/Impossible, and the user can manipulate even that.
>>19756600(You)
you never get tired of reposting that do you?

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Yukari
Did
Nothing
Wrong

Yukari Did Everything RIGHT

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>>19763842
this

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>>19762210
>kasen is a lazy onigger
This, everyone agrees on.

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>>19768444
kasen is cute and perfect!

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>>19727533
Has Yukari been fucking with the border between autist and normalfaggot recently?

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>>19776459
No but she has been fucking with the border between my dick and your mom.

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>>19776459
She's been fucking with the border of 4chan (us) and Reddit (you).

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Is Yukari a Hadou God? Can Yukari defeat Reinhard?

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>>19776944
Reinhard is not bound by any dimensional limitations he exists in the outerverse.

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>>19776944
Yukari is a youkai. Kill yourself.

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Boober

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>>19729135
Yukari always needs eight threads, one for each cloud.

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>>19782172
pretty sure most of these threads are discussions regarding the circumference of her bust

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>>19727533
Because-

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Bump

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>>19727533
necrobump

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>>19784232
Because what anon?

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can shiki kill yukari?

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>>19795197
yukari's immune to killing so no

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>>19795205
shiki is like KH she can introduce her to the concept of death even if she doesn't have one,
as void shiki she can grant wishes and manipulate bend&create new laws in a similar fashion that mirrors yukari's boundary manipulation

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>>19795275
immune to killing so no

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>>19795314
nice reading comprehension