/jp/ - Otaku Culture

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This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for Pokemon masters. If you have no interest in becoming a Pokemon master or don't know how to read katakana, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking how to catch 'em all.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>19688913

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オーキードはかせの

なかのひと

なくなった

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>>19698437
>no 振り仮名モード
gamefreak hates me

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https://youtu.be/Xc1NJV1wcug
nihongo conprehension test

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>>19698529
Looks like monkey music. Sorry but I can't watch it since I'm not a subhuman.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JVs8X5bv8w
listen ひゃく ご じゅう いち

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Alright, /jp/, everyone talks about just reading right away, but when did you actually start to read? What was the first thing you actually read?

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>>19698631
some hiragana children's books

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>>19698410
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjTgxgG_8U0

HA! HA! HA!! HA! HA! HA!!

なかなか 手強い相手も
ますます 燃えちゃうバトル（ホント？）
フラフラ ヨレヨレ 大ピンチ
決めろ アイアンテールで スマイリング

（Everything is Good!!）
OH!! めざめるパワー
（Never Give Up!!）
さあ立ち上がれ おいかぜに乗って

しゃかりき なりきり はりきり
みんなで進もう エブリデイ
森も 川も 山も 越える
この感じ 最高!!（サイコー!!）
友情 愛情 根性
進化してるよ エブリデイ
いいね いいね いいね いくぜ

ぼくら グッド・コンビネーション
ばっちり コミュニケーション
いつだって ハイ・テンション
WOW WO シャララ… だからダイジョウブ

ぼくら グッド・バイブレーション
あすに コングラチュレーション
いつだって レボリューション
いくぜ この道 めざせ日本語マスター

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>>19698631
Eromanga.

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>>19698437
>談笑
>おはなし

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>>19698631
>when did you actually start to read?
About an hour after I learned kana.
>What was the first thing you actually read?
I believe it was webm related. Not sure though.

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>>19698631
genki

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>>19698631
Start with sentences in a grammar guide tbqh, there's no point in reading a text if you can't parse anything to even look it up

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Anyone know where I can get a working link for Ranma1/2? The one in the guide is listed as inactive.

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>>19698862
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/manga/pages/ana.html

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Since starting to learn japanese I've replayed gen1, 2 and 3 in japanese. Then have been playing Diamond on and off for a long while, finding it boring, specially because there's no nostalgia factor and I don't know a lot of the english dialogue beforehand.

Should I just skip it and jump to the based GS remakes?

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でもさ

でもさでもさ

でもでもさ

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>>19698631
>What was the first thing you actually read?
Flyable Heart.

>when did you actually start to read?
My journey to actually getting started reading was a long and shameful one. I first discovered DJT around 2012, I think, but I went straight from there to Namasensei's videos, and when I got to the end of them I had no idea what to do next so I just kind of gave up. My memory of what happened next is pretty fuzzy, but several years passed where I just kept starting phases of ''''''''learning'''''''' Japanese which lasted several weeks to a month each, before I would quit and take several months off only to repeat the cycle all over again.

In the beginning, I would read Tae Kim, or Genki, or do some other beginner thing like RTK or Core, and either find it too tedious to finish (RTK, Core), or get to the end of it then not really know where to go from there (Tae Kim, Genki) and quit. At some point I learned that I needed to read in order to learn Japanese, but when I tried reading I was predictably hopeless at it, and I took this to mean that I needed to do more grammar study. This led to me trying stuff like the DoJG Anki deck, but it was so dull that each time I tried it I could never make it more than a week in before I gave up.

By this point I had basically lost all hope in ever learning Japanese and felt extremely hopeless about the whole endeavour, but I discovered the AJATT site somehow or other and ended up reading through it figuring I had nothing to lose. The motivational stuff about it being okay to suck, etc., coupled with the message of learning by having fun turned out to be just what I needed to hear, and that got me to a long last just dive into reading without caring that I was really shit at it and couldn't understand anything. I didn't pick up any of the other AJATT stuff like sentence mining and so on though since I was more focused on just getting myself reading and told myself I'd worry about all that stuff later. It's about a year later now and I'm still going (though because I haven't used Anki all this time my vocabulary is terrible).

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaCYzV2S3LU
Did Matt take the /djt/pill?

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>>19699009
How can you trust a guy who changes his opinion when presented with different arguments?

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stumbled upon a video entitled
>The Hardest Writing System! - an animated rant about learning Japanese
is it though? I learnt kana in 2 days, 3000 kanji in roughly 3 months and I don't find the writing to be difficult when you get familiar with it a bit
now Arabic and all those other languages look even more difficult

is moaning about artificial difficulty of Japanese a thing weebs do so they can feel better about their shitty lives and get some ego boost from people online who are impressed with their knowledge?

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>>19699030
You didn’t learn 3000 kanji in 3 months though

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>>19699009
And of course nukemarine commented on the video.

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>>19698952

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>>19699030
Arabic is much simpler to write than kanji desu

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>>19699009
not clicking that. what did he say?

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>>19699030
aren't there only like 40 arab characters? how can you even begin to compare arabic to japanese?

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>>19698952
>It's about a year later now and I'm still going (though because I haven't used Anki all this time my vocabulary is terrible).
this is what I'm afraid of. so then I should sentence mine instead of merely reading right?

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>>19698437
>kanji mode
>still using spaces when you have kanji

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>>19699028
making streamables of the epic parts

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>>19699052
I learnt writing of 3000 kanji in 3 months. I was purely talking about writing of the language, sorry for not being detailed enough in my previous post.

>>19699080
I was just asking, I don't say that Japanese isn't the hardest, it just doesn't seem to be at the first glance. I mean even if all the other exotic languages despite looking like scribble lines have only a few dozen of characters then still Chinese writing should be more difficult than Jap due to the sheer volume of kanji used, or am I mistaken. People say Jap is more difficult due to it having kana alongside kanji, but I feel like it actually makes things easier.

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(English is not my first language)
第 - is an "ordinal number prefix" but what is an "ordinal number"? When should it use it?

Also, unrelated, is this sentence correct:
もし時間かあれば、ホテルに一緒に行きませんか？

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>>19699114
as a non-native you should be using an english dictionary
ordinal number = 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th etc. i.e. showing order of things

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>>19691007
>You can find many of his unlisted videos from youtube if you know how to search. They are all shit though, about meditation etc. I dont dare to post them here but search for "matt vs japan" playlist etc and youll find people who have made playlists which contain these videos

I looked for the playlists and there are only 2, both made my him.

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>>19699114
no mistake other than か -> が
もし時間があれば、ホテルに一緒に行きませんか？

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>>19699121
It gave me some arithmetic numeral series related definition. Thanks though.

>>19699134
Oh yeah I noticed it myself and forgot to fix it. Thanks!

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>>19698631
I started reading a visual novel after learning a few hundred words and some basic grammar. I didn't understand anything.

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>>19699130
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLetth9pswrxrg7eaHV_voy8qBEq2PPoMv
https://www.youtube.com/user/howbcc/videos

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>>19699030
you do realize the writing system being hard doesn't just apply to memorizing the the characters but also the fact that it can be incredibly obtuse at points and has stuff like 当て字, there's just something not quite right with your system when natives have to give an educated guess on how to read names or any words they didn't see before.

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>>19699091
There's no real proof but it's probably better for retention to mine vocab and/or sentences, yes.

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Will the djt library ever be updated again or has that anon abandoned us?
(Yes, I know about the supplement)

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>>19699009
https://youtu.be/EaCYzV2S3LU?t=1875
31:15
tl;dr
>I was wrong about beginners doing RTK because without having learned Japanese your mature card retention rate will drop after a few months, because a single English keyword isn't a powerful enough prompt to recall a kanji. Just blitz through lazy kanji (see kanji, recall rough meaning/keyword) in the beginning and do RTK much later when you're fluent.
I've been defending this fuck's arguments for beginners doing RTK since May and this cunt just turns on me like that? My identity was wrapped up in this. I slayed DJTers in this guy's name but he's basically agreed with you guys that you should become fluent before learning to write kanji with RTK. What the hell do I do now?

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>>19699221
well that's because we were right all along and all teh DJTers you slayed in your mind don't exist outside of it, it's impressive how humans can create their own bubble and isolate themselves like that

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>>19699221
stop worshiping false idols and learn japanese

>I slayed DJTers in this guy's name
you might have thought so but actually you just made a fool of yourself

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>>19699257
>>19699259
No I genuinely full nelson'd you guys. But I was defending an incorrect position. Still, wtf do I do now?

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>>19699265
yeah that didn't happen

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>>19699221
>I didn't realize how hard it was to learn Kanji without knowing Japanese
Or maybe his ""patrons"" are lazy fucks who want results while putting in as little effort as possible, which would explain why they'd go as far as to give this neet money.

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>>19699265
you haven't but i'll allow you to keep thinking that

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>>19699265
stop worshiping false idols and learn japanese

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>>19699271
people aren't lazy
if enough people can't direct their effort to something and get results then it doesn't work

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>>19699265
>But I was defending an incorrect position.
But what if you're still right and Matt is wrong now?

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by the way for lazy kanji KKLC is objectively better than RTK in like every way

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>>19699271
matt didn't do what he told people to do is the thing lol, he did lazy kanji for rtk and then went back after a few years and having already read a lot to do it proper

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>>19699009
Well at least I have the logs.

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>>19699271
That's possible because my mature retention rate for RTK1 is ~87% (which I posted here yesterday). It's possible it'll continue to drop. On the other hand maybe a lot of his followers weren't visualizing their stories enough and that's why their retention plummeted? I guess I'll see what happens.

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>>19699290
logs of what

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>>19699273
I guess this is it. I have to take the plunge. I'll finally belong on DJT now that I'm learning Japanese.

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>>19699299
>>19699257

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Trolling/speculations aside, I honestly think doing RTK early can work for some people but doing it in isolation is counter-productive and dumb. Not every single kanji you "learn" you have to learn using RTK's advocated method.

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>>19699315
you're the only person in the whole world who thinks you won any of those arguements but i won't make fun of you for your schizophrenia

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>>19699321
I didn't argue them. I'm saying DJT was right. I feel good knowing I'm part of this community.

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>>19699332
no you're not, you've never been, you were so far deep inside an e-celeb's asshole that when he retracted a statement your whole world crumbled, you don't belong

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>>19699321
Read your post wrong. But yeah they did win them. Every time.

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>>19699221
>single English keyword isn't a powerful enough prompt to recall a kanji
I know that feeling. But I would just add Japanese on the front in those cases. My retention never dropped.

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>>19699267
>>19699272
I'm JK. You were right and I was wrong.

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>>19699343
You're projecting. I've never watched a Matt video before today.

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matt's new video is a powerful return to form but it won't be finished until he gives up on recommending external resources and writes his own grammar guide

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>>19699349
that's a relief. i was paranoid my mature would drop.

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>>19699356
I honestly can't tell who i'm replying to, this was meant to address the guy who thinks he was winning these arguments being matt's knight in shining armor and then had his whole fragile cognition he based off of other people's experience crumble with a 1 hour video

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>single English keyword isn't a powerful enough prompt to recall a kanji
It's almost like some kanji have enough meaning behind them that you might want multiple keywords.... or maybe even a few items of vocabulary to give some context to remembering them.... Wait, that sounds a lot like KKLC. But didn't Matt shit on KKLC without even looking it at? I'm so confused bros

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https://youtu.be/EaCYzV2S3LU?t=2659
We should all try to live to this standard. This guy is so fucking wise and mature.

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>>19699375
> Wait, that sounds a lot like KKLC. But didn't Matt shit on KKLC without even looking it at? I'm so confused bros
it teaches you japanese while you're learning kanji and that's a big no-no dude

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>>19699375
He still wouldn't recommend KKLC because you're supposed to learn vocab by reading, not memorizing a few isolated words that a book like KKLC throws at you. The isolated study complements the reading, you don't learn to do both in one book. Well maybe now he'd be open to KKLC for the "lazy kanji" method.

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>>19699375
>bros
How to spot underage shitposters 101

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>>19699392
You're not actually supposed to memorize the kanji in KKLC, they're for disambiguating what the keywords mean.

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>>19699392
I'm pretty sure KKLC says in the introduction that it isn't meant for straight up newbies to the language and having some experience will make it work better. That's why the words provide a nice context for someone who already has some knowledge of Japanese

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>>19698631
>when did you actually start to read?
After watching 10000 hours of anime and learning hiragana
>What was the first thing you actually read?
Japanese chatting on niconico streams

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>>19699364
I have 93% retention rate on my 9 year old deck. I don't remember a single keyword or its story. But it's all good.

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>>19699357
he said on his stream that he will not write his own grammar guide, because he doesnt intend to actually teach people japanese

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>>19699444
that boomer who's been 'learning' Japanese for 9 years
I feel SO good about my Japanese when there are people around like you

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https://streamable.com/bwnkf
https://streamable.com/16a8x
bonus:
https://streamable.com/yjca3
https://streamable.com/lwi2n

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Label the toxin!

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RTK shills on suicide watch

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>>19699357
>>19699446
>>>/wsg/2336212

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Has /djt/ reached rock-bottom?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSRylVSfxyw
Listening practice

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>>19699543
One of /djt/'s greatest enemies just admitted /djt/ was right. /djt/ is celebrating and will return to normal shortly.

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>>19699543
this is the first time i opened this thread and was glad i did because matt finally confirmed what we were saying about rtk for months which shills handwaved away because their overlord said we were wrong

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I'm a huge fan of Matt and I'm happy too. Because djt has fewer and fewer excuses to dismiss him.

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>>19699533
>I want my job to be to teach people how to teach themselves how to learn Japanese
How anyone can take this nigger seriously is beyond me.

>>19699570
You don't actually think matt is the first person ever to advocate RTK do you?

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>>19699603
It's not about whether or not you should do RTK period but whether it's worth it for beginners to do. It's not, and Matt has finally admitted that it's not.

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>>19699611
Matt changes his opinions everytime he changes clothes, i.e. every 2 weeks on average.

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Is it finally time to remove RTK from the wiki?

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>>19699647
>wiki

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What do you guys think about this website for grammar?
www.bunpro.jp

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>>19699611
most of us aren't even aversed to RTK itself and we frequently say that you should do it AFTER you already know japanese

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the fuck
is there a name for this?

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>>19699681
>Japanese grammar SRS
Seriously, don't
Just don't

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the fuck
is there a name for this?

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>>19698529
先行 guy dont need no fuckin beat

>>the matt shit
https://streamable.com/l6h0h

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>>19699707
madarame

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>you guys just wasted 2-4 months on advice i gave that i didn't even apply to myself
>my bad lol, keep writing me that paycheck though
i fucking love this lol, where's that vetted poster retard who constantly said that matt not doing what he recommended himself wasn't a factor to consider at all cause he knows better

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rare mention of good anime itt

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>>19699718
i'm right here bitch. it's obviously not a factor because he just changed his mind. got something to say?

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>>19699726
i think you missed the part where you wasted 2 months not learning japanese while doing rtk and he's now retracted it and now you're gonna have to get dragged along as his labrat for whatever other retarded shit while constantly chasing at his breadcrumbs being experimented on

this made my morning

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i always thought 9 out of 10 djters just bumped matt ironically because of how see through he is

he doesnt want to teach people japanese because hes still teaching himself japanese : )

anyway its that 10% of djt that really needs our help guys lets be there for them during these troubling times because its only gonna get worse from here

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>>19699738
"wasted" 2 months? i've learned how to write over 2k kanji now. i can start learning real japanese today. 2 months is nothing compared to the years it takes to get good.

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>>19699741
People used to talk about him ironically but if you say something ironically enough people will start to believe it. That's how the thread has gotten to this point

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I can't believe I did RTK without learning Japanese. I'm the guy who started it in late May. How many of you started learning actual Japanese in May and what material are you currently reading? I'm so far behind you.

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>>19699747
pro tip you could've just done that after you already were good and be way further ahead and if your overlord is right you're gonna forget those 2k kanji really fucking soon

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``~~`~if you dont use it you lose it~~~~`

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ichaban tuyoi gaijim ni naゐtai kanahh

lmao カッコイイ 爆笑

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>>19699754
I started in April and did 3/4 of RTK before realizing it was shit but i was also kinda reading on the side but not really commiting more than an hour a day, i'm now just over 1k mined words, finished one VN and 90% of my mined words are from VNs, reading is getting easier now.

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>>19699738
I fail to see how it is a waste if it worked for him and his retention rate is good. Matt "retracted" the statement because his Patrons are too retarded for RTK, that's all.

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>>19699757
i could have but that's still not a lot of time, and good luck i always try to recall my story when doing my reps so i don't do the automatic 'picture the whole kanji' thing matt described in his video and claims is one of the main culprits for people's long term retention dropping. plus i just gotta start reading enough and i should be able to stave it off long enough.

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>>19699771
It was also just advice he didn't really do himself and he got super low retention rate on lazy kanji too after a while as he said himself

>>19699777
see you trying so hard to save face? this wouldn't have happened if you just listened instead of appealing to authority you fucking sheeple lmfao

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>>19699710
i mean the kanji

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>>19699784
>see you trying so hard to save face?
i don't know what this means i'm just giving you my thoughts on the situation
>this wouldn't have happened if you just listened
in other words if i would have appealed to authority then this wouldn't have happened? lol no thanks just because my heuristic for what's true was wrong this time, that doesn't mean i still wouldn't choose to listen to matt more than you.

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>>19699777
>and good luck i always try to recall my story when doing my reps so i don't do the automatic 'picture the whole kanji' thing matt described in his video and claims is one of the main culprits for people's long term retention dropping.
ah so you still haven't even taken away the training wheels which is how you're supposed to do the system after a while and you think that's a win?

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>>19699771
>I fail to see how it is a waste if it worked for him
but he didn't do it
that's the whole point

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>>19699800
I'm talking about the anon who just finished RTK 1.

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guys anyone that vehemently defends matt is actually "trolling" just fyi before you go down this idiot hole : )

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What's a good dictionary that has voices in android? Jsho is good but I want to hear the pronunciation.

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>>19699805
if you just finished rtk you haven't started learning japanese

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>>19699805
that anon shitposts here and is the biggest matt shill ever, he's not learning japanese and never will, if you looked at those threads you'd know how he's not gonna get anywhere regardless of whose advice he "follows"

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don't know these words yet, but i'd like to show that matt is correct about english not being enough to spawn kanji. i'm on a phone and here is the kanji i was able to produce using the method from yesterday >>19691444

?目晴信
手部?帯??、中手??折、
近?指節間関節??。

here is the word list (one word per kanji, ? means I didn't know it, didn't necessarily type these exact words above, just spawned a random one from memory)

?
め
はれる
しんらい
て
ぶぶん
?
けいたい
?
?
、
なか
て
?
?
おる
、
きんじょ
?
めざす
きせつ
あいだ
げんかん
きせつ
?
?

when you use japanese as a keyword, then you can go for walks outside on the phone and play games on 携帯 because you no longer need radical lookup or text hooker.

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>>19699810
Who claimed otherwise?

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>>19699801
it's only been 2 months which matt claims is the time where you transition from relying on the story to just instantly recalling the kanji associated with the word. so i'm actually right on track, and thanks to this warning from matt i won't stop recalling the story until i've learned enough japanese to take the "training wheels" off. so basically, this could have turned out bad but things are OK.

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>>19699811
bookmarking this to prove you wrong later

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>>19699830
you can't learn japanese

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>>19699830
better stop posting here if you have any chance of proving me wrong

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>>19699813
>>19699707

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>>19699823
so you're gonna be like a retarded kindergardener kid for years now keeping a deck that doesn't teach you any actual japanese so then it can actually serve it purpose later and you can graduate from relying on mnemonics? this morning just keeps on giving

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You guys are hilarious

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>>19698631
>when did you actually start to read?
Probably a third of a year of just mindlessly doing Anki and not actually reading/applying it. Decided I should start reading this summer and have been for awhile
>What was the first thing you actually read?
A few chapters of Yotsuba, and now I'm reading Hoshi Ori Yume Mirai

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>>19699848
hey we only shit on him because he disagreed. now that he agrees, we win. this is a win for djt.

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>>19699843
instead of spending 30 minutes (and fewer in the future as reps decrease) a day maintaining knowledge that took hours of investment of effort over the course of two months to attain, i should just completely forget it now? why would i? you are taking this too far.

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>>19699830
i hope me whooping your ass leaves you that much of an impression when you come here after 6 years because you kept following sub optimal advice from a guy experimenting on you, though i somehow doubt you will

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9ufP3Kn4Uk

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>>19699870
the 1 year ajatt update videos absolutely destroy any notion that the "sub optimal" nature of anything matt recommends is actually significant relative to the amount of input he recommends. for example sentence mining might be sub optimal compared to just reading more, but you still learn japanese quickly doing it because of the additional reading and listening so it's not a big deal.

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>>19699797
>>19699813

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this dude wasted 2 months of your time telling you guys to do something and focus exclusively on it before learning japanese and you guys don't think you're gonna waste even more time, i'm curious how you guys will try to save face after a while, i don't think it's gonna stop at 2 months wasted time

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>>19699840
My bad, should've worded this better. I don't care about individual word and/or kanji. The entire sentence is written in kanji and it looks like it was written in chinese, I was asking if there is a name for this kind of thing.

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>>19699893
it is chinese

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>>19699840
it's not a sentence, it's a string of words
literally

[Anonymous No.]

>ctrl+f "matt "
>25 results
CRINGE

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>>19699899
It's not, the first line is his name, the rest are valid japanese words

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>>19699904
I don't need a camera anymore
DJT is my compilation now

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>>19699904
who

[Anonymous No.]

Now that the dust has settled , RTK, KKLC or no kanji study at all?

[Anonymous No.]

should i quit rtk. im at 1450

[Anonymous No.]

>do my anki reps
>learn some grammar
>try to read nhk easy
>still impossible

When will I actually learn something? I feel like I haven't progressed at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699926
Yes. You'll feel good after it too, can confirm as the 1700 guy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699927
When you start reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699910
i was half kidding. i don't know the words in this sentence though

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/l6h0h

[Anonymous No.]

>don't do lazy kanji. khatz is wrong!
>do lazy kanji. i was wrong!

wtf?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699959
you keep making me think it's something new every single time can you stop posting that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699904

[Anonymous No.]

I'm quitting RTK for good this time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699967
every time you laugh is a new laugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699975
quit your life lmao

[Anonymous No.]

When will matt agree that 10000 hours of anime is best for beginners?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699995
keep spamming it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699995
i'd say never cause he didn't do that himself but then again he likes giving advices he doesn't even know if they work or not so it's possible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700008
If someone who studied genki and core decks for 2 years before they started reading recommended that someone else immediately start reading, would that be a bad thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699813
>9k words
damn should have added sentences and you would have been fluent by now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700015
i get what you're saying but the thing is when someone advices you to do something to get to where they are which they didn't try themselves you're running a severe risk of just wasting a bunch of time because it's a flip of a coin, it's really easy to give the example of the dude who doesn't drink water but tells you to drink water but it's rarely this axiomatic in realistic situations

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700030
You're right that it's a severe risk and so people should be cautious but I feel like the situation I described is just as common a situation as what happened with Matt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699934
But I can't read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700043
you'd be right but it's been proven time and time again that reading an immersing is the way to learn a language, this is already pretty axiomatic, i'd consider it the same as the dude who doesn't drink water telling you to drink water, we know it's nutritious, what matt did was more like telling someone to drink this concoction that was never tried out before that he made up

[Anonymous No.]

Someone explain how Aedict 3 subscription work? I was able to download and use it without paying but I'm not sure if I won't be able to use it later on.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700030
well there's plenty of evidence of people reading within two months started and doing pretty well. i think you can look at other people's success and failures to get a sense of what works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700058
The more you read the better you get at it. Number of hours spent consuming native content is the only stat that matters. You have wasted your time up to now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700076
yes this is exactly my point, don't do something someone tells you to that you have no evidence of ever working just because they have authority on the subject, you're running a huge risk that you need not and should not take, i hope today was a lesson to all of you not to take authority as above being wrong

[Anonymous No.]

Learn what you have trouble with, not what people tell you to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

wait what authority

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700026
i have been doing sentences. just simple nouns don't require any other words to understand (things like door and floor and shirt, etc.), so add them to a separate deck, then study them for their kanji value. you'll get exposure to which situations are better for similar nouns through reading (like ドア vs 扉 vs 戸).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700068
why would you use that shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700093
>don't do something someone tells you to that you have no evidence of ever working just because they have authority on the subject
says no college ever

[Anonymous No.]

The only authority people should be quoting is /ourguy/ Steve. And even then he's kind of anti-Anki, which makes sense for learning most languages but I really disagree with in the case of Japanese where you need to internalize the readings of so many kanji compounds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700126
which is why they're stuck doing genki 2 after 3 years of studying the language and never consuming native media

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700133
Why? He's not even as good at Japanese as Matt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700139
because he gives advices from his experience and not some shady module he created on his mind that he doesn't even know actually works in practice

[Anonymous No.]

steve doesnt even piss in jugs you think i care what he has to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700133
if you arent reading them they arent worth memorizing in favor of just spending more time with real nihongo

worry about the little gaps after youre fluent if youre really that gay

also lol at having stupid language learning heroes

no wonder you guys are so fuckin doomed

[Anonymous No.]

i'm quitting rtk and starting a sentence mining deck starting tomorrow. what is a good number of items to add per day to anki that is sustainable and not turn into a waste of time like 1-3 years in the future? can anyone with an anki deck that has been going for longer than a year comment? i was thinking 10-20 sentences a day. khatz says 50 a day but i've done that before and ended up deleting the deck because it took up too much of my daily time (1+ hour to complete the reviews)

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/xv5cb
>>19700166
don't start mining until you know how to select what to mine, just look up words while reading and then move on to continue reading
it's going to be very painful and it's going to be tempting to select "Easy" sentences that you understand and grind them in isolation but it's counterproductive to do anything outside of reading and listening when it's still painful to read/listen, it will only cultivate a habit of reading/listening for the sake of mining

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700179
https://streamable.com/l6h0h

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700179
i already know how to mine sentences. i was just taking a break from mining to do rtk but i dont care anymore. i want to go back to mining. just looking for advice for number of items to add per day that scales well long-term

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700198
however many you want

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700198
don't worry too much about it but try to keep at at least 10 a day so you at least constantly have something to learn every day other than reviewing, that's what i do, words and not sentences though cause i'm not a fucking retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700222
i guess ill go for 10 a day, and do up to 20 max a day if i feel like adding more. 10 is really easy to do and doesnt tire you out (the card creation process)

[Anonymous No.]

What is written here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700259
"your gay"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700119
What would you use for android then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700139
he always says things like "From my experience" or "At least that's how it worked for me" in his videos. even he knows he doesn't get the final say. he gives his own experience and lets you decide for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700238
don't cap a max or whatever, that sounds like a terrible idea, keep a minimum but do as many as you can do a day, if you feel like you can do 30 in a day then you should because that speeds up the process

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700259
お前もな　maybe?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10011578931000/k10011578931000.html

Has anyone read this today? I scoff at people who say Japan is weird but this is kinda off

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700259
>>19700294
Not maybe. Quite certainly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700294
Fuck, I kept thinking the part below お is そ. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

Am I correct in my understanding of Lazy Kanji that it's sort of like doing RTK or KKLC while only focusing on the keyword and not a story? That is sort of my approach for KKLC right now. I look at the Kanji + keyword (and for obvious ones I memorize that it looks like so-and-so thing), write it 5 times in my notebook together with the keyword and then I check the vocabulary for familiar words. The Anki deck I then use switch between Kanji as front and keyword as front. So perhaps not entirely Lazy Kanji, but sort of...

I write them once as a memory aid, but I'm not anal about learning stroke order and being able to write it from memory. I supplement my Kanji study with vocab from Genki (because I've gone through it in the past due to college course) + grammar,listening, watching and reading.

Not sure if it's a good approach, but it feels okay-ish so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700300
>swinging babies
isn't that dangerous?

[Anonymous No.]

being alive is dangerous

a hearty crying baby is a sign that it is in good health

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700339
Lazy Kanji is kanji->keyword(s), and you ideally stop partway through instead of doing All The Kanji because its purpose is to make kanji stop looking like scribbles.

Because of that, KKLC is a lot better than RTK for Lazy Kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700347
I thought so too. Seems that if the baby doesn't cry when they see the sumo's face they shake em? What gives?

[Anonymous No.]

>still haven't learned katakana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700139
>Why?
He tells you to do tried and true methods (that are better) while Matt tells you do to stuff he didn't do himself that even he realizes now are stupid and needlessly difficult.

>He's not even as good at Japanese as Matt.
Yes he is, his Japanese is just a bit rusty because he doesn't use it every day.

[Anonymous No.]

steves better than matt hands down free not even a conversation

[Anonymous No.]

I wanted to start reading Japanese literature to expand my vocabulary and to practice grammar. However, I find it difficult to verify whether my understanding/translation is correct. Grammar books and anki decks always had a translation of the text examples, but with real books that's not the case. Would it be worthwhile to try reading books translated from English to Japanese and then compare with the original when in doubt? Or should I just come to terms with the fact that I will not always understand, at least at the beginning, what I am reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700339
he literally didn't say any method. he just said "lazy kanji" and expects everyone to know what that even means.

just read "let's learn kanji," to build up a small radical base and learn "stroke order." you can eventually guess them with near perfect accuracy after the first 50 kanji or so, with very few exceptions.

[Anonymous No.]

steve hasn't gotten as much input as matt so sadly he's very far behind, not to mention he's rusty after not consuming japanese for 40 years

[Anonymous No.]

>>19698746
must use higher-level language in kanji mode

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700390
When you encounter a grammar point you never learned, Google it or look for it in a grammar dictionary. If it's something you learned, go back to the guide you read and try to understand. If you still don't get it, either Google to see if it's slang or keep going.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700402
>steve hasn't gotten as much input as matt
Steve actually went outside when he lived in Japan, making use of his time there.
His Japanese was probably better than Matt's when he still used it every day. Now he's got a dozen other languages he maintains.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700390
you wont understand a lot of things but youll learn a lot of things

but you need to be processing solely with japanese

if youre using another language in any capacity go directly back to unko chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700280
I use droidwing with the two big J-J dicts and the kenkyuusha dict. If these don't have something then it's probably some modern slang which I usually check on google.

[Anonymous No.]

no ones actually stupid enough to think matt has better japanese in any capacity than steve right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700437
>Steve actually went outside when he lived in Japan, making use of his time there.
it doesn't matter. matt listened to dense audio for 13 hours a day for more than 5 years. steve lived in japan for 9 years but IRL you don't get as much exposure as you do by just listening to podcasts and shows constantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19698631
Names of anime characters and anime titles obviously. Then there’s reading stuff at the store that is in hiragana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700452
so why is steve objectively so much better

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700452
Living your life in Japanese, when you actually do it instead of living in a gaijin bubble, is higher quality input than just consuming media. Of course you want to do both, but you can't compare them directly by the hours. Steve consumed books, newspapers, and documents in Japanese while living there too.

[Anonymous No.]

If I have a card in anki that's unseen and toward the end of the deck, is there a way for me to select it in the browser and "move it up the queue" and study it right now?

[Anonymous No.]

ill tell you why steves so much better

because he went with the current

you can walk against the current for however many years you want (matt ~~~~vs~~~~~ japan) but the current will never change direction to match you

you can only let it carry you or struggle in vain

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700390
when you come to something you don't know, write down all possibilities that you can think of and look for clues to rule things out. don't waste too long though because you might not have enough information right away, which you might naturally pick up from reading something else. also you can google for evidence if you really want to know.

also I know I'll be shit on for this, but you can also look for reoccurring patterns in dictionary example sentences to support what you think might be true (like you see a reoccurring pattern in a translation 100 times in jisho, its probably not an error).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700360
Yeah, most of the KKLC Anki deck i use is Kanji -> keywords, just that some of the cards feature the keywords only. In those cases I mainly try to visualize what the Kanji looks like. Would you suggest taking a break from KKLC at something like 1200 Kanji then? It also seems to be that swiftly going through it to build a "non-squiggly line base", is more important than high retention?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700446
>J-J dicts
Please I'm trying to learn Japanese. I need more vocabulary/Kanji to even start J-J dictionaries. If I could I'd already be reading Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Why davido-kun can't speak japanese? He lives there for fucks sake.

[Anonymous No.]

Official djt mascots.

[Anonymous No.]

デイブs speaking it in heaven with 神様

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700526
We need a Chad Steve vs Virgin Matt picture

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700544
no we really dont

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone is just posting ironically right? Must be nothing else to do today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700544
The virgin meme requester the chad denier
>>19700551

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700554
I have no idea who Matt is, but it's fun to shitpost.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylbmc1hAofg#t=71

official djt themesong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700554
i have something due today and have stayed up all night to work on it. just drank a 2 litter coke to stay up and finish, but dont want to anymore. now im just shit posting trying to forget. wired but tired

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700362
>神社では赤ちゃんの元気な泣き声と、見ている人たちの笑い声が続いていました。

[Anonymous No.]

毎日日本語スレの前は千をしない

[Anonymous No.]

your babys not genki unless its cryin whats so hard to understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700544
This one is close.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700671
あの笑い人の顔ww

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700512
kenkyuusha is j-e look it up UNKO-san

[Anonymous No.]

shut up retard ww

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700715
笑う*

[Anonymous No.]

it's not the babies, its the people finding this amusing. is it really worth the risk of dropping them your kid or giving them brain damage?

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a waste of time to write down every new word and kanji you come across reading to potentially review later or should you just keep reading without doing those and hope that the prolonged exposure will render those efforts useless?

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that /DJT/ is one of the places with the best overall accepted methods on learning Japanese.

>YouTube full of pedophiles trying to meet young girl e-celebs
>Gaia full of people who don't know Japanese offering to teach others Japanese
>/r/learningjapanese literally 10 years behind on their methods

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700700
>deleted HelloTalk because he didn't get a reply after sending a single message
don't forget the polygot deleted his HelloTalk because he couldn't get anything done with all the boob he was getting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700776
Keyword here being overall since a newbie walking into DJT at different periods of time will encounter conflicting views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700776
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxjZM-d_ShI#t=7

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700776
>accepted
I don't rely on authority figures. My intuition says that reading doesn't work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700800
Yeah but at least you're allowed to have conflicting viewpoints, that means there's growth.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700773
the secret is to justsdaffdafdscxvxvcdx

[Anonymous No.]

enjoying gaia in 2018 is a fairly dope and epic thing to do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700831
The only thing to do is pinball and puzzles though. Sometimes watch movies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700722
No you fuck off with your bad advice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700831
>Enjoying
I wouldn't say that, anon. This UMR avatar is sick beats though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700855
Yeah but why is it low quality?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700855
just play maple story

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700859
>Why is it low quality?
Gaia probably can't afford pngs anymore.
>>19700870
Nexon sucks, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700893
>あなたの名前はですか
do people really use は immediately before です? sounds wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700939
its incredibly wrong and fucked lol

matt would prolly say it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19698952
>but several years passed where I just kept starting phases of ''''''''learning'''''''' Japanese which lasted several weeks to a month each, before I would quit and take several months off only to repeat the cycle all over again.
Fucking this but with drawing. There's just too much other cool stuff that I want to learn...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700166
sentence mining is pointless all sentences are unique. Mine expressions if they have unintuitive meanings but whole sentences is pointless

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700939
No, nobody does that. This is just an example of a beginner trying to be a good person by teaching other beginners.
You also don't pronounce ま as "my"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700951
Just draw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700825
What's this site called?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700956
You don’t, but my-e works pretty well for まえ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700893

[Anonymous No.]

you know, for some reason 私もです does sound right though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700980
でもそれは良い？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700956
>you also don't pronounce ま as my

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700952
its just an easy way to learn vocab. i dont like pure vocab cards, i dont like not using anki, and sentences are kind of fun if you do it right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700980
Because it is, and so is が.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700979

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700979
Never seen this one before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700988
わからないけど、検索すると見えます。

https://jisho.org/search/%E7%A7%81%E3%82%82%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99%20%23sentences

https://www.google.co.jp/search?source=hp&ei=UKN5W8TBFYfWjwSTxa-QBw&q=%E7%A7%81%E3%82%82%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99&oq=%E7%A7%81%E3%82%82%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99&gs_l=psy-ab.3...0.0.2.142.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0....0...1c..64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.nhPhxloA3QU

https://ejje.weblio.jp/sentence/content/%22%E7%A7%81%E3%82%82%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99%22

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701009
would 見える or 見られる be more appropriate in that situation? i'm actively searching, but not hard.

[Anonymous No.]

わたしもゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

where can i find a list of at least the 4000 most frequent kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701028
グーグル

[Anonymous No.]

a newspaper

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701034
wow thanks it worked.
https://foosoft.net/projects/kanji-frequency/
now i just need to find a way to compare it with a list of kanji i already have, using excel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700979
Was the translation too hard for the bottom part?

[Anonymous No.]

I only just realized iOS has other Japanese keyboards. Finally no more kana typing anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

this entire thread is going into my cringe compilation

[Anonymous No.]

your entire cringe compilation is going into my cringe compilation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701081

[Anonymous No.]

lets just cringe together みんなhttps://streamable.com/l6h0h

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701063
More like 出来ないたち wouldn’t be able to read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701096


>>19701105
not clicking that

[Anonymous No.]

all your past present and future posts are going into my cringe compilation dont even bother i already wrote the script

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701147
Just got to make you run out of hard drive space then.

[Anonymous No.]

私には深すぎる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701154
we in the cloud boys

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701154
just encrypt your data with the LHC

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701190
*compress

[Anonymous No.]

just encringe your data by posting itt

[Anonymous No.]

here's a diagram for

[Anonymous No.]

look at these fuckin honkers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701219
seisyun truly is wonderful

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701225

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, I think my brain is fucked. I have bad eyesight and now when letter are far away they start to turn into hiragana. What to do?
Is my brain defective?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701245
go to a neurologist or reddit whichever is easier for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700989
>名前
>nah-my

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701256
I have a neurologist 8/28 already because of other issues. I will talk to him about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701245
You have a lazy eye. Your neurological processing for text-like shapes is underdeveloped. Prescription: more reading practice, in all writing systems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701299
what? My actual job pretty much forces me to read all day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701341
I'm shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701344

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701225
たくさんおおきやだです

>>19701236
かんぺき

[Anonymous No.]

this morning this thread was so good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701411
それはうそだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699221
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TekgFhhEBEM

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701385
これはアホギャルですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701245
>>19701341
>bad eyesight
>job is to read all day
Really makes me think

[Anonymous No.]

whats the fastest way to watch 10000 hours of subbed anime so i can finally stop chasing waterfalls and just learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701468
watch 100 anime at the same time for four days plus four hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701468
Play ten anime at the same time at 128x speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701451
はい。アホギャルです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699104
What’s wrong with that? They're easy to ignore

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701468

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701492

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701467

[Anonymous No.]

>you will never be nihonjin

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701507
yea and no matter what they'll always see you as an outsider, which you are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701518
bleh, not like i'll ever get to go there anyway

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG0kSuYfDWA#t=427 lmfao got dang

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701544
死ねしないでください生きて絶対に行きる私を信じる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701610
what the FUCk is ur problem mate

[Anonymous No.]

there are 40 matches for the word 'matt' in this thread, so you guys are basically obsessed with it and because of that fact I'd like to ask you what kind of prep JLPT book could have he been talking about in the video?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19674189
>>19674205
just add one card per page. thats what i do and it works

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701502
>キャプチャー
You got me there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701625
who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701625
誰？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699356
this was my contribution

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699709
>>19699959
>>19700196
>>19701105
lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701666
I didn't notice it was the same link each time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701624
timmy

>>19701610
not gonna seppuku or anything, but i dont like the long work hours they want gaijin to have

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701666
still not going to click that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701675
gaijins are actually exempt from everything that japanese people have to do as part of gay tradition

youre perma celebrity status among young people should you choose to use it wisely

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701695
> youre perma celebrity status among young people should you choose to use it wisely
That applies only to whites

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701687
idfc ┐(‘～` )┌

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701695
>>19701705
Damn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701705
it applies to caucasians and blacks (of all kinds, not just african)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701705
he said people

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701705
not really it encompasses all non asians

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701695
guess i could just go live in an abandoned building or something

actually, i saw some guy on youtube who just went there with a bike and slept in parks for three months. not sure if they'd like that though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701748
dont do that

[Anonymous No.]

Literally how are you supposed to sign contracts as a filthy Gaijin without knowing competent Japanese? This stuff is riddled with so much kanji and long written out sentences that you might as well be signing away your life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701709
dfctydfc

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701748

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701774
>>19701795

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701777
just go to hr and be like hey yo can i get this in some eigo お願いします

[Anonymous No.]

ok djt, I've finally done it. I've learned all kataganas and am about to dive head-first into genki. wish me luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701781
idfc ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19701839
idfc ┐(‘～` )┌

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701820
it wont dont be a fuckin bum

[Anonymous No.]

>>19698723
>>19699849
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm using capture2text for quite some time now and it works kinda okay but the dictionaries are outdated.
I've tried manually updating .traineddata from the tesseract project and text recognition becomes better but in the output it adds spaces after every kanji so instead of "体操競技" it outputs "体 操 競 技".
It feels like it could be fixable with the tesseract config file but I have no idea how to do it. Maybe anyone here knows how or is there a better tool for OCRing japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701898
preserve_interword_spaces 1

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>>19701880
It's a nice prep.

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Has anyone ever made a core 2K/6K memrise course?

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>>19701944
did you try googling it?

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>>19701955
Yeah, all I could find was some weird course's course that requires you to use a bunch of external resources at the same time.

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>Trying to read romaji for the first time since I started learning Japanese almost a year ago
Holy shit I can't believe I was ever enough of a pleb to type in romaji. I'm sorry for my sins

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>>19701974
youre going to feel this way every once in a while for the rest of your life

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>>19701974
sore ha ookee desu

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>>19702023
>desu
did you mean: t b h

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>>19702032

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>>19701910
This works great, thanks.
I suppose there's no workaround withing the capture2text itself to use two separate .traineddata dictionaries for horizontal and vertical text?
I'm using this to get the latest dictionary and they're split to horizontal and vertical: https://github.com/tesseract-ocr/tessdata_best

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>>19701974
Normal japanese with kanji and kana is easy mode
Understanding only romaji is hard mode
Play some older multiplayer games without unicode support on japanese servers and try to keep up with the chat

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give up

[Anonymous No.]

i can't remember why i started japanese in the first place. i vaguely remember wanting to watch anime while multitasking. i thought it would be fun to be able to actually look at the entire show and not just the bottom of the screen. i thought that the kanji looked cool too. i have been amazed by kanji ever since that episode of case closed where conan is solving a puzzle with kanji. i was amazed to learn that they were so complex and had many hidden meanings among them. but those feelings have long sense departed from the miserable person that i am today. when i see kanji, i don't think "how cool," i think "wtf did this mean again?" i'm constantly reminded of my failures every time i watch an anime, even if its subbed. hell, just hearing any foreign language does nothing but piss me off anymore. heres some advice for all you kids out there who think they want to know japanese: learn to code, or learn to build things. learn things that will be useful. when you've come as far as i have, you start to realize, learning japanese isn't what it seems.

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>>19702179
i learned japanese because i somehow acquired just enough japanese knowledge to think i could argue about it on /a/ but kept losing arguments, so i told myself i had to learn japanese so i could dunk on people

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>>19702179
>doesn't remember learning Japanese because it's cool
No idea what you mean by the last sentence though. Japanese is pretty straightforward right from the get go if you've watched enough anime. It's just a lot of memorization that one isn't prepped up for unless you have some hardcore rising up by your peers/parents.

[Anonymous No.]

core has been pissing me off with these last couple of words
yea thanks for teaching me "subtraction" that's really handy for me right now
i'm quitting at 1k

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>>19702199
>i told myself i had to learn japanese so i could dunk on people
that was you?

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>>19702228
i mean i never announced it or anything and also once i started learning japanese thanks to djt i learned the futility of arguing on the internet

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>>19702227
>should have learned addition instead
三を四に足すと七になります。

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>>19702227
If you don't read, core may seem useless, but once you start reading, you'll notice a lot of words from core pop up that you would have never expected.

[Anonymous No.]

learning how to dunk in a toilet bowl doesnt make you look any better

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>>19702245
Is this really how they do it? This is interesting. I've always wanted to know how they do education in Japan and learning about how they do addition is great.

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>>19702249
sure, i just really don't understand the rationale behind putting shit like "manufacturing" ahead of "dangerous" which i've encountered several times while reading now

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>>19702265
馬でも足せる

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>>19702273
馬なら足すことできナイ

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>>19702222
> unless you have some hardcore rising up by your peers/parents
nope. had to do things the hard way.

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>>19702267
Don't focus on the order, it's not as important as you think it is. You'll encounter a bunch of weird things, but there's a million ways to order things, so it doesn't really matter in the end. Just learn them.

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>>19702293
you don't know japanese

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(the fact that there is no right order does not mean that there are not wrong orders)

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>>19702285

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>>19698631
https://vndb.org/v3770

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>>19702318
if thats debutopia i swear to god..

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Just used Anki for the first time. Does it really only make you review the kanji once a day in the beginning? Like, am I supposed to click that "good - 1 day" button? how do the reviews even work?

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>>19702326
you'll see

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>>19702325
wish it was debutopia ┐(‘～` )┌

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>>19702318
Interesting plot. Might pick up.

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>>19702314
2足で歩いたら馬じゃない（ウマなんだから）

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>>19702326
the more frequently you get a card right the longer the interval before you see it again. when you get it wrong it'll reset and then the cycle continues. the end

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>>19702318
eustia is a good read and a good learning experience but your very first game should be something more expendable and down-to-earth imo

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>>19698631
naurto

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>>19702345
(just giving some reflection on the choice you had in reading it first btw not trying to be hostile)

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>>19702337
Am I supposed to press something to tell it I got it right or wrong? The window is empty but for the kanji and furigana and I have to click "show answer"

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>>19702356
does "but for" mean "except for" here

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>>19702326
it doesnt make a bit of difference what button you press because this buttons not on it

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>>19702359
yeah

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>>19702370
okay you should've said except for

anyways that's normal, think about what flashcards are for for a few minutes and you'll get it

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>>19702326
It's a bit confusing because it's largely dependent on what you feel. There's no objective way of doing it as in it's not a "right or wrong", but a "when do I want to try again and make sure it's still there". It might make more sense if you read up on space repetition and how the guy did it with paper originally.

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>>19702383
Yeah but I just saw the word and letters for the first time, for example, how do I know if im gonna remember it again in a few hours if my only options are "10 minutes, 1 day, 4 days"? How do you guys do it?

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>>19702403
it's in the new card queue, just press "good" and deal with it later

anki highlights which queue the current card is in if you didn't disable displaying the queue counters

[Anonymous No.]

I just realized I've been learning on and off since 2010 and still have so fucking much to learn.

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>>19702356
click either "again" or "good". never click hard or easy because they fuck with the ease factor or some gay shit which will cause headaches down the road.

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>>19702409
I honestly don't know what any of that means. Talk to me like I have 50IQ please

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>>19702403
You don't need to remember it in a few hours. I know, it's weird to say, but you really don't. It makes more sense once you do it everyday and realize you don't need to remember as much as recognize and recall. If you have trouble, you can just keep hitting the again button.

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>>19702418
press buttons until things you want to happen happen

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Also, how many new cards per day do you guys go for? is 20 too little in the beginning? This isn't my first time studying kanji I knew a couple hundred

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>>19702403
This is where reading comes in obviously. Doing anki in isolation is okay, but later on its use dissipates without relevant usage.

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https://boirodaisuki.neocities.org/

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>>19702428
5 (life support) to 30 (a high amount that causes some people to burn out)
20 is normal

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>>19702403
You look at the front of the card and guess what is on the back. If you right, you hit good, if you are wrong, you hit again. Don't worry about whether you will remember it in X hours or X days. All that matters is whether you remembered it when you answered the card.

Also, don't use the Hard button.

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What is a 生誕祭? Like a birthday party but apparently an entire festival?

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you know how when you hear a new word in your native language you easily remember it without having to SRS it.

how long does it take to get to that point in japanese.

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>>19702428
20 is only a little if you already know those kanji, otherwise your reviews are going to stack up and kill you later on which is why you have to be careful with upping the new cards per day. I went for 100 new cards per day and sometimes more. Just keep it low.

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>>19702436
Is there an estimate for how long it would take to go through a 700 word deck?

>>19702448
There is no hard button on my anki it seems. But when you have 2 new cards left for the day wtf are you supposed to do? Of course you remember it you saw it 2 seconds ago

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>>19699091
Guy you replied to here. Anki isn't strictly necessary to learn words, though what I've found is that when you're reading for several hours a day and encountering hundreds (maybe thousands?) of unknown words during that time, there's no way your brain can pay the necessary amount of attention that it needs to in order to properly take notice of all those words and start learning them.

For words which come up very frequently in what you're reading, you can learn them easily without Anki, but it's those words which are only coming up once in a while which are the problem. I think Anki's big advantage is that it forces you to pay attention to these less common words which you would've otherwise just looked up and then forgotten you'd ever seen before.

I can't prove that my vocabulary would be any better if I had been using Anki all this time, but I'm almost certain that it would've been. As for sentence mining though, I have some big reservations about that (the main one being that if you mine a sentence containing a typo or error without realizing it, you're then going to be drilling incorrect Japanese into your brain). I literally only just started a few days ago so I can't comment on the effectiveness of it at all, but I decided to try the reading-only cards mentioned on Jamal's site since they seem nice and low effort. Hoping they work out for me, but if not I might have to resort to sentence mining instead, in spite of my reservations.

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>>19702459
How long have you been learning Japanese? That already happens if you haven't noticed. You'll pick up some words easily for whatever unknown reason. Memory makes no sense.

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>>19702428
20 is good. Maybe even lower would be better. The more new cards you do the more reviews you'll get, which are a pain in the ass.

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>>19702454
誕生日 is someone's birthday
生誕祭 is the celebration of someone's birthday
https://dic.pixiv.net/a/%E7%94%9F%E8%AA%95%E7%A5%AD
>>19702465
what's 700 words divided by 20 words per day anon
calculate that then add a month to "finish" learning the last stuff added from it
>There is no hard button on my anki it seems
there is, just not on new cards (blue queue) that haven't been introduced to the learning queue yet (yellow queue)

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>>19702479
The settings say the maximum daily review is 200, do you mean I should raise it to max and keep my new cards at 20 or lower?

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>>19702465
You're supposed to wait 10 minutes if you hit the 10 minutes button. If you can't get it at all, just do it tomorrow. It's a waste of energy trying to remember it if you aren't getting it on the first few tries anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

how many jugs do you have to fill to learn japanese

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>>19702454
also relevant
https://tsuiran.jp/pickup/20161211/11013

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>>19702486
Missing any reviews defeats the point of anki so you should definitely raise the "daily review" limit, and do all of your reviews.
>and keep my new cards at 20 or lower?
Yes. The more new cards you do, the more reviews you'll have to do later.

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>>19702489
So someone wrote a software with a button that says "10 minutes" but shows you the card instantly instead of hiding it for 10 minutes?

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>>19702465
>But when you have 2 new cards left for the day wtf are you supposed to do? Of course you remember it you saw it 2 seconds ago
this is a very common problem with anki because of a flaw in how "learning ahead" works (i'll spare you the details)

tl;dr: press good if it's blue and you keep seeing it over and over

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>>19702504
It makes more sense when you have more cards. In the beginning the software hasn't got into its cycle yet.

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>>19702504
if you have nothing else to study it will show you stuff ahead of time, within a limit (this is what the "learn ahead" setting controls)
see >>19702507

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>>19702507
But new cards are always in packs of 20, does it mix your new cards with your reviews later on?

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>>19699189
Would be nice if we didn't need the library and Japs would just upload the original e-books instead of converting them to low quality JPEG images to resemble book scans.

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>>19702513
there's a setting for that

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>>19702516
Would be nice if free ebook viewers understood vertical typesetting correctly.

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>>19702465
>But when you have 2 new cards left for the day wtf are you supposed to do? Of course you remember it you saw it 2 seconds ago
Tools->Preferences->Basic->Learn Ahead Limit
Set it to 1.

Some of the default Anki settings are really stupid.

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>>19701974
Yeah I know what you mean. I always thought people who said that are elitists. I don't even know Japanese and it's cringe to read now.

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>>19702530
and this isn't one of them
anything from 5 to 30 is ok from that setting, definitely not 1

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>>19702481
>>19702497
Okay, I get it now. It makes sense, never thought about it like that though. Too much anime and manga has messed with my brain. They always celebrate on the same day.

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>>19702530
>>19702537
wtf does it even mean

>>19702519
should I use it?

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>>19702548
don't worry about it

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>>19702522
If you have the original e-book you can convert it to HTML via Calibre so you can read it in your browser with Yomichan (ala the DJT library), the only problem being that it sometimes fucks up the images (either doesn't add them or adds them wrong). Think that depends on the format of the e-book though.

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>>19702550
how long before it feels like using anki makes any sense at all?

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>>19702560
two days
>>19702555
i know
there's no way on earth you're going to get japanese pirates to read ebooks with web browsers

[Anonymous No.]

Vocab has always been the answer, anyone who unironically believes in keyword shit should do something worth a damn for 3 months instead of sinking time into a language they'll never learn.

Hell, when I was learning KANA at the start, I used vocab to assist with that since remembering those was easier when I had a word in my mind to reference. It's a crutch, but after enough exposure to the words you get used to things and no longer have to worry about forgetting it.

It's amazing how that works when reading. There are Kanji I'd almost certainly forget if I saw it by itself on a flashcard, but miraculously I can remember them when I'm reading. Afterwards I'm like "no fucking way" but in context, it all just clicks. Knowing the words > Knowing the kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Final question about Anki - Is there a way to sync it between computers/my computer and my phone? I'm on my laptop atm but when I can use my PC again I'd want to continue there. And wouldn't hurt if I could use it on ankidroid too

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>>19702576
yes
>>19702575
good post but also read more

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>>19702575
Yes, but learning it in isolation so they aren't just scribbles is immensely useful in the beginning until enough exposure. It's like dipping your toes into the water instead of trying to swim and drown at the same time. Different things work for different people though, so whatever.

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>>19702548
>wtf does it even mean
The Learn ahead limit tells Anki how to behave when there is nothing left to study in the current deck but cards in learning. The default setting of 20 minutes tells Anki that cards should be shown early if they have a delay of less than 20 minutes and there’s nothing else to do. If you set this to 0, Anki will always wait the full delay, showing the congratulations screen until the remaining cards are ready to be reviewed.

This is why you are seeing cards in 2 seconds when it should be waiting 10 minutes.

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>>19702593
Other dude said not to put it below 5, other other dude said not tot ouch it at all. what do?

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>>19702603
don't worry about it until you've actually used anki for more than a few days

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>>19702575
Good post. I got nostalgia and remembered I too studied kana with those words they give you like いえ、いいえ、あおい. I completely had forgotten about that. I'll be sure to recommend doing that to people who try to study kana by itself. Or was this already in the guide? Perhaps it's that one site. It does ramp up the difficulty once you learn more of the kana.

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>>19702603
I use 1. 5 is probably acceptable. If you have it set to anything 10 or higher then you have your current situation where it is showing them to you after 2 seconds.

The entire point of spaced repetition is to show you the word at increasingly longer intervals. If it wants you to review the word in 10 minutes, why would you review it now? Change the setting.

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>>19702603
just experiment. it may seem like trying different things is a waste, but learning how to see what is and isn't working and adapt is an underrated skill that's useful for nip. you'd be surprised at how many shortcuts you'll find.

[Anonymous No.]

the secret is that spaced repetition is simply not accurate enough for intervals greater than several seconds and smaller than a couple hours to be anything close to reliable

[Anonymous No.]

which is why anki's spacing works on a scale of days by the way, unlike pimsleur etc which have arbitrary timescale spacings

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>>19702576
Yes, this is made easy using an Anki account.
Sign up in ankiweb, and log in in Anki (the software) to enable syncing.

>>19702575
And then X months in you realize your actual retention rate is low and you can't produce anything for shit.

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>>19702603
just so your reps.

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>>19702576
yes it's called ankiweb. also you can wait to do new cards after you finish your reviews by changing pic related, but that's a judgment call.

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>>19702636
Is not getting 100% retention the flaw of spaced repetition? It seems to be based around how retention falls by a percentage after certain periods of time, but if you weren't at 100% in the beginning, how would it be there on any other period of time afterwards?

[Anonymous No.]

what does anki have to do with japanese

[Anonymous No.]

the secret is that it really doesnt matter if an algorithm is optimized or even does anything better than just randomly spewing cards at you

all that matters is that you keep seeing shit over and over

aka just read dude

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>>19702660
what
>>19702669
this

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>>19702642
>did a ton of research on how to learn languages and Japanese
>never heard of Pimsleur
How the hell? He must have really bad methods or something then.

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>>19702676
pimsleur is bad though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702670

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>>19700958
But I can't even make a stickman look good!

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>>19702689
i know what you're talking about but it has nothing to do with the anki's learning queue intervals, which are arbitrary and not based on anything specific

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>>19702690
You don't have to. Just have fun mate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19698631
>but when did you actually start to read?
When I learned some grammar.
>What was the first thing you actually read?
Yotsubato. Really enjoying it. Read the first 9 volumes and then stopped but now I'm reading it again.

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>>19702718
shes called yotsuba not yotsubato fyi

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>>19702724
よつばとは女じゃない、女の子なんだよ

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>>19702689
The fuck is this, the numbers aren't accurate at al

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>>19702735
some random piece of garbage someone with a computer made

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>>19702735
it's just to illustrate the principle

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>>19702744
then it shouldn't have numbers on it

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>>19702751
no it's fine

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>>19702751
why
models can use numbers too, using numbers doesn't have to mean you're using facts

[Anonymous No.]

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>>19702765
how many pixels is that

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>>19702777
Is it not 583x435.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702777
253605

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702785
no it looks like less than 36000 to me
>>19702787
too many

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>>19702796
Then maybe it's just your monitor. Get one with more pixels per inch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702805
never mind i hand counted it is 253605 lol

[Anonymous No.]

Why is manga so frowned upon for reading here, is it just a meme?
Giving you a visual seems like it'd both help you memorize and guess/learn words from context.
Even looking up words isn't that hard if the quality isn't too shit.

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>>19702820
>believing anything said here
That's how you dekinai.

[Anonymous No.]

its not frowned upon manga owns and is good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19701949

[Anonymous No.]

just a meme you dork. obviously you should branch from manga eventually but it's not bad or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702820
>manga
>not shit quality
Pick one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702820
Typically not very dense in terms of writing, comparatively that is. Lots of stuff that could be expressed in longer, more challenging sentences gets described by pictures instead. Manga is reading but you could be reading something that's harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702836
i pick C: you're shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702851
escaping reality is not good for you

[Anonymous No.]

unless youre escaping reality to read a good manga

[Anonymous No.]

What even is the point of the ease system? As it is now failing an 8 month mature card resets it to 1 day and makes it progress slower than a new card you've never seen before. That's absolutely retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>unless youre escaping reality to read a good manga
what did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702884
'easy'

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>>19702644
>retention rate

The point isn't really "retention," the real point is that each time you hear/see a word, you should have a faster "lag time" between recognizing it and processing its meaning. You do this until it becomes instantaneous. You already have this with certain words - if you listen to the news, you have the によりますと construction burned into your head, and lots of other things which commonly appear on the news that you don't even have to think about now.

Ultimately, you're waiting for the words to "feel" like their meaning. 99% of you probably "feel" it in certain words already - 大きい eventually FEELS big to see and hear.　道路 should skip the english word "road" and should just feel like a road. 雨 and 雪 are just those things, and not "rain" and "snow." The only way you get to the "skip to meaning" part is hundreds of exposures. Anki should not be your source for those hundreds, but for the first 10-20.

Forgetting is part of the process. Remembering isn't the be-all-end-all. Context teaches, and reminds. Forgetting is learning.

Hell, you forget words in your native language all the time and just don't realize it. Of course, when you see/hear it, you're reminded that it exists and possibly what it means, even if you couldn't remember what it is if you saw it in isolation.

You don't truly "own" a word until it's part of your active vocabulary, which you have to do actual output to practice anyway. Most learners in /djt/ are light years away from needing to practice output though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702900
nothing. learning japanese kills brain cells, and this is the result.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

is it true you should only use the 1 or 3 button when grading in anki and anything else fucks up scheduling efficiency? ive seen this argued multiple times so i just kinda went with it but i wonder if life would be easier pressing 4 on easy stuff and 2 on hard stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702915

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>>19702763
lol if you think that's a model

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702910
>Forgetting is learning.
Whoa, mind blown. This entire post is amazing. Saved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702820
It's literally just a meme. The people who force it don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

嬉
is this an important kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702921
You should be less worried about the easy and hard part of it and more so on the interval of time it's telling you. Obviously if you need to see it tomorrow, then hit that. If it's hard and is a month away, are you really going to remember then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702925
>A simplified description, especially a mathematical one, of a system or process, to assist calculations and predictions.
yeah my dude, i'm pretty sure that's a model.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702936
but can you spawn it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702924
that went downhill fast

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702884
anki's developer does not actually understand anki's algorithm despite implementing it

the code is full of constraint safeguards that are completely unnecessary because the algorithm itself gives those constraints

>>19702940
exponential decay isn't actually how memory works on the scale of the few days after you first see something

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702909
How do you determine if a card was easy? Most of them pop instantly into your brain anyway, and you can't easy all of them or your retention would plummet. If nothing else good should increase your card's ease a few % by default

[Anonymous No.]

tl;dr:
modelling spaced repetition yes
modelling how spaced repetition interacts with memory no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702955
are these bot posts? i swear i've seen this question 30 times already. also just try things and see what works and what doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702948
>exponential decay isn't actually how memory works on the scale of the few days after you first see something
you are aware that models can be wrong, right? that's how science works dude, you make hypotheses and then you figure out if they're right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702955
the easy button is for shit you shouldn't have put into anki in the first place
>>19702968
see >>19702959

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702964
I want to try a modified anki that isn't retarded. How do I change the ease system so good increases the ease of a card?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw in the pursuit of learning Japanese you are losing English vocabulary that you'll never know about ever again because it's not ever reviewed

[Anonymous No.]

btw a better ease system would be
easy: normalize ease towards 400%
good: normalize ease towards 300%
hard: normalize ease towards 200%

but at the end of the day the exact intervals don't matter at all as long as you're not flooding yourself with reviews

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702921
I started spamming easy to unfuck cards fucked by memelords pushing lowering starting ease a few months ago.

>>19702955
I use easy if the difference between hard, good and easy intervals feels pathetically low, most likely because of hard abuse / frequent early lapses. Even if you overkill it on some cards they will fall one day anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702976
learn python, then read the manual, the. read the plugin api

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702931
>see/hear a word you know you've seen and "learned" once before
>don't know it right off the bat
>wrack brain to try and find the meaning which is buried somewhere in your head
>if you remember it, you've strengthened the pathway that leads to that word for next time
>if you forgot it and had to consult a dictionary, you've still strengthened that pathway and you're less likely to forget it next time

This is how it works, yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703009
This is surprisingly simple to read, but why さよなら.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703019
What if you forgot it and don't consult a dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703027
why さよなら instead of さようなら or why is that the choice being chosen?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703027
cuz hes tryin to duck like a mark ass bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703041
>>19703042

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703010
I already made the choice on what useless skill to waste 3000 hours on and coding lost to Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

this fucked me up really badly. i don't know how much more i can endure from this series. i'm enjoying it but man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703040
Next time you see it, you will go through the same process, except you'll mostly remember "fuck I remember not remembering this one"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703050
if youre only doing 3000 hours just go back to coding

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703050
>coding useless
???
>Japanese also useless
？？？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703042
no i aint so beta bitch
there was just a better girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703050
It'd take like 2 hours if you've never done programming, way less than that if you have any sort of programmming knowledge.
It's a pretty minor fix.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702910
Are you pro-kanji studying or the opposite? I can't tell

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703062
Ah yes, I have a lot of those memories.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703050
Why not do both? What else could you possibly be doing?

[Anonymous No.]

I added a 45 minute step and a 3 hour step to my new cards in addition to the 1 minute and 10 minute. I feel like it makes a big difference, then I just don't see it once or twice in the morning and that's it, I have to be a bit more active throughout the day and also have more exposure. I think my frustration with not seeing new cards enough so that i'd have to keep hitting again on them day after day was what lead me to quit anki in the first place, so hopefully this will help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703093
seconding do both because then youll be forced to budget your time deliberately and make better progress on both as opposed to just dragging your ass all lackadaisically

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703050
>having to chose between one

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703050
>3000 hours
>could learn 6 other "useful" languages in that same time
>could become good in several programming languages in that time
>could become very good at math in that time
>could probably study enough material to pass the MCAT AND the Bar exam AND learn how to play Guitar AND Bagpipes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703121
D-don't hurt me anymore. I already know how much better everyone else is.

[Anonymous No.]

縺
is this an important kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703121
and the accordion

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703129
yes but can you spawn it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703129
No, the only word I know using this character is 縺れる and it's more often than not written in kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>worrying about how much time you put into japanese
like just read my dudes. reading is OP because you learn while having fun (if you read enjoyable material).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703158
what about listening

[Anonymous No.]

>>19700625 this + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcKoqGKuz6U directed at this guy >>19703050

heed the message before its too late

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703173

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703189
i like this image but who posts it and why

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703197
shinji wants to show you how great is boyfriend is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703197
When words aren't enough to comment on the state of this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703185
Why are Japanese girls so productive with their lives? I always wanted to know Japanese so I used to study, but I've given up multiple times in the process.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703221
thats anime girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703197

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703201
This has good art, picked up when I figure out the title.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703212
shinjis boy friend is fuckin gay!!

[Anonymous No.]

>と思います

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703231
false. every single good japanese band is made up of only women.

>>19703238
wish i knew too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703254
this is the first time I've realized he is reading nekopara while at the same time being a neko

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703273
that's the whole joke though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703273
nekopara isnt reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703254
←

>>19703257
i guess thats true https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=doY90Hf4pdI

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703281
I just always thought the face was funny

[Anonymous No.]

>rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703309
Yes. Use the superior Kanjidamage.

[Anonymous No.]

shoutout to that time anon became the first one to post rtgay lol

[Anonymous No.]

that was me ftw

i used to also call it retarding the kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703312
he was right tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703309
As opposed to not remembering the kanji? Are you ONe of those teenagers who thinks he can learn Japanese without learning kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

more like braindamage lol

>>19703322
i aint arguin that it was just surprising no one had done it before

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703328
kek i do superior vocab study. and im probably older than you

[Anonymous No.]

djt didnt discover humor until i joined the fray and constantly told them im gay

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/HXzrkX3apOk?t=331
vetted once again by a native. insane.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703075
Why not study kanji? If you learn any word, learn it in Kanji form. If it's kanji/a reading you already know, you're reinforcing them while learning a new word. If it's a new kanji, or a new reading, you now get to learn that while also learning a new word to refer back to if you should ever forget.

Everyone learns 行く early on, and then you meet something like 旅行 or 銀行 and have to learn that sometimes, that fucker gets pronounced こう. Then you're gonna be reading NHK EASY and meet 行う and go "huh, how the fuck..." and learn that day that it can also be pronounced おこなう, all the while learning some fresh words and meanings. Then once you graduate to "real" news you're gonna meet 行方 and by now, attaching a new reading to 行 is piss easy, because it's only gonna show up in certain words anyway, and it's not like you spent all that time at the start wasting your time on the notion that 行 means "go"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703335
>i do superior romaji vocab study
Fucking Jamal

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703331
was a creative name
>rtk more like rtgay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703340
>does AJATT
>posts to youtube and patreon in english
>even speaks english
What did he mean by this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703349
wrong anon desu

[Anonymous No.]

broadband internet really is the root of all evil

if we were still on our 26.6k baud telephone modems these retards wouldnt be able to upload all these multi hour worthless yt vids

95% of you mother fuckers dont even know what a baud is

[Anonymous No.]

man this thread is so damn mean and that's not a joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702932
not to sound like you know who, but reading manga for too long is bascially close to stagnating

[Anonymous No.]

let the lazy kanji revolution begin

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703361
Old man please. Get with the times. Innovation and communication happen so much quicker. The root of all evil is still the same. Your heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703373
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703375
im like the opposite of what pepe le pew i make the garden flourish when i roll thru

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703361
bitch i used to host half-life classic servers over dialup during kali days

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/bwnkf
https://streamable.com/16a8x
https://streamable.com/xv5cb
https://streamable.com/lwi2n
https://streamable.com/yjca3

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703368
I hope Japan is much nicer, but then there's also the whole two face thing. The society thing. And all the other complications.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703373
so long as your motivation doesn't waver is there any problem with just starting out with VNs? i assume this is such a stupid question it's not worth answering but because of how comprehensible input works it's not intuitive to me whether a beginner would benefit more from nhk easy than a VN for example. or maybe splitting your time between both every day is optimal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703385
half life lol

well i guess thats about as vintage a ninja im gonna find in djt

thing is by the time half life came out broadband was available if you lived anywhere cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703368
sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703400
If your motivation doesn't waver, you're some kind of suprehuman and there's no problems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703385
moreover you were prolly the guy whining in the pub about "lpbs" lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703400
vns are good for learning because you can practice your listening and reading at the same time. people will tell you to start with hanahira but ignore them and play leyline instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703416
Just watch subbed anime then lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703346
So how exactly would you go about "learning" kanji? Remembering them for what they are, i.e. a logographic character with no "actual" meaning attached to it?
For example, if you saw 行 in the wild you'd tell to yourself "oh I know this SHAPE"?

I'm not even being ironic/trolling, I'm genuinely confused about what you're trying to explain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703416
problem is if you arent reasonably proficient you cant be trusted to understand basically anything you read no matter how you try

youll do retarded things like pick set phrases apart and completely ruin them with absolutely no one there over your shoulder making sure youre not bein a retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703414
あの時に田舎に住んでいた

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703414
never been to no pub but lag was a major issue. still is for me too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703434
How else are you supposed to learn to read Japanese by yourself then?

[Anonymous No.]

Start with Subahibi.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703434
leyline is very hard to misunderstand for long periods of time, like axanael, but unlike axanael its language usage is actually easy
it's a good start

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703434
there's not a good solution for this problem though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703450
read more
listen too
learn what you need to learn, not what people tell you to learn

[Anonymous No.]

How do you find the time to play thousands of eroge and learn Japanese at the same time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703430
Not that anon, but I just look at a character for a bit and it clicks, if there's a similar looking one I mix them up once or twice then I look up the difference and make a mental note. It's not that hard when you get into it.
I didn't have any jap experience before I started so it shouldn't be that different for you.
I'd still recommend vocab over kanji cause it lets you get into reading way faster and with less lookup, since you don't have to guess that a kanji combination is, and it's more natural in a sense, cause kanji on their own rarely mean anything and it can feel like you're barely making any progress despite learning a ton of them.
You can/should still look at kanji on the side though, it can help you remember a word you'd already forgotten.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703463
Why aren't you a NEET?

[Anonymous No.]

>the average djt poster

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703445
maybe dont try to do something as foolish as do it all by yourself ┐(‘～` )┌

>>19703450
oh but there is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AKDApA7lN4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703455
>anon should start reading something easy like leyline
>"but he'll mess up set phrases and won't understand things perfectly"
>yeah but that's just the beginner experience there's no solution for that
>"yeah huh just read more"
dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703476
that is indeed the solution

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703471
We're all cute girls here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703455
not even steve kauffman?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703492
i meant retarded

[Anonymous No.]

am i gonna make it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703509
>winblows 10
no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703509
>hunter x hunter
youre doomed

[Anonymous No.]

If you post screenshots of your flashcard shit, the answer is no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702831
What's this from?

[Anonymous No.]

am i gonna make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703468
NEETですでもお仕事を見えたすぐ働く

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703430
You "learn" it by seeing it over and over again

I can't even explain how I remember some of the things, but 懐かしい and 壊す are a good example since they're remarkably similar except for the left component. I've never mixed these two up because when you see the words they're in, it's pretty clear which one is which. Sure I guess you could go "hmm heart one one and earth on the other" but desu you'll notice that with time anyway. Better to make those connections on your own and feel like

Same goes for ones like 末　and 未, what words can you think of which afford you any opportunity to mix the two up?

Learn words, and the Kanji knowledge will come with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703530
what the fUCK dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703530
znznwkrn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703522
>huuuuuurr linux

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703522
>>19703523
>>19703524
how about now?

[Anonymous No.]

am i gonna make it also you cant spell perapera without rape lol

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703525
http://tss.asenheim.org/tenshitachi-no-gogo-tenkousei.html

but it goes downhill fast. couldn't finish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703559
What is "true retention"?

[Anonymous No.]

am i gonna make it guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703549
Looks like a screenshot of flashcard shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703568
Japanese is probably one of the worst things to try and make money off of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703556
I can't find any good japanese subtitles for Digimon adventures I'm fucking PISSED.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703579
you dont need subs for that show its literally for children

in fact if i were going to recommend your first not subtitled anime thats prolly gonna be it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703549
never seen it. try a mans anime, like とあるまじゅつのインデックス

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703568
the arrogance of this fuck to think he can monetize his teaching when he doesn't offer anything not offered by half a dozen other ecelebs is beyond me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703586
If you're gonna watch the toaru trash at least watch railgun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703586
indicks is too hard. take it from me, a boy who tried to read the LN after only a month or so of studying

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703584
I use subs to make flashcards. I'm currently watching/listening to DB and Terrace House.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703586
The magic explanation is already difficult enough in English.

[Anonymous No.]

if you want a real mans anime its right here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dchH6YfsOA

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703599
>>19703601
>>19703610
but misaka 90210 is best girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703466
>秘密
>secret
>meet 蜂蜜 while watching たけしの万物創世紀
>don't even question that "bee" and the sound that is in "secret" is honey, because it's the fucking bee's secret''
>different kanji, but the top part clearly is the みつ part and who's gonna argue with that?

This kanji stuff is not as mysterious as people like to think, it's just that having ZERO knowledge of how they work is much harder than already knowing a lot about them and making these connections.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703604
If you can't "hear" the word in order to make a flash card with it, you're not ready to flashcard that word.

Return to it later and see what happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703633
what does it say?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703624
like this happens naturally if you just like use your eyes and understand that kanji are composed of things from a set amount of things

>>19703633
you found waldo ftw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703645
I'm gonna be the hookagei one day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703652
but what does that mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703624
That's pretty funny, considering similar-looking kanji more often than not have completely different meanings/readings. You're just nit-picking.

[Anonymous No.]

its ok to think goofy things though cause youll also find out naturally that its just all just mostly coincidental

however thats a way better way to remember a kanji than doing some rtgay shit

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

find waldo in this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtKWzisMhqA

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703717
she is waldo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703705
This is exactly how you learned English, so it's a good way to learn Japanese as well.

The critical part is thinking your OWN goofy things that you came up with yourself, rather than relying on someone else's. Even if you're wrong, you remember meanings based on your own knowledge and beliefs, and it's easier to correct wrong ones than it is to 100% instill the right ones from the outset. If someone internalizes 自ら by thinking 水から (one's own self is made mostly from water, after all) even though the two are not at all related, it's well enough that it works for them.

It beats the fucking hell out of remembering this wall of dogshit Heisenberg wants you to use, which doesn't indicate anything towards how it is read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703717
There's a jewish burger truck.

[Anonymous No.]

thing is i cant fault heisigger for any of that because hes not misleading or lying to you about what his book is for

its really up to the baby learner to see shit like that pic and go huh if i really wanna learn a language why is the majority of the shit there not in that language something seems amiss here

but people literally cant be trusted with their own education

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703733
>ひのこ
>don't see Kanji for it right away since I was too busy pokemon'ing
>later go to look it up on jisho
>火の粉
>was actually expecting 火の子 (young fire?)
>still works
>nothing lost in terms of meaning
>have a better appreciation for 粉 kanji as a result

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703763
>but people literally cant be trusted with their own education
this is so true. we need government intervention to correct the errors of japanese learners. nationalize mattvsjapan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703790
make a petition on cringe.org dude

[Anonymous No.]

How do you talk about money in dollar terms in Japanese? Especially with cents.

[Anonymous No.]

Just finished reading my first Japanese novel. It was リング. Excited now to check out the film again which I've only seen once very long time ago. Please congratulate me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703804
4ドル20セント

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703804
XドルYセント

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703812
>>19703814
Thanks for the quick replies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703817
I literally googled the first thing that game to mind in quotes, which was "５ドル５０セント".

[Anonymous No.]

no problem i just used google translate

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703804
三ドルフィフティーセントぐらい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703806
それはこわい読むですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703806
omeー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703831
いいえ、ホラーより推理小説だった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703806
ええ上手ですね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703779
I thought パン粉 was パン子 before I saw it written as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703806

[Anonymous No.]

How am I supposed to know when 正しく is read as まさしく or ただしく?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703943
まさしく will almost always have furigana, be spelled in kana, or have voicing

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs2JNcSRroI

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703806
That's a big accomplishment. How did you like the book? What do you want to read next?

[Anonymous No.]

Guys I'm getting hit hardcore by the Dunning–Kruger effect, I can't even watch subbed anime anymore. How do I get passed this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703958
read more manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703958
fake it till you make it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703958
create a patreon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703958
So you think you are better than the subs you see? The solution: stop watching fan subs made by amateurs with dictionaries. Download the official releases from places like crunchyroll that are made by certified professionals. That way you'll know that what you're seeing is legit and well done.

[Anonymous No.]

>create a patreon
>realize you were on mount stupid
>think quickly
>convince everyone output is evil

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703962
>>19703966
>>19703983
Got it, I'll just continue to criticise every piece of translated media, go into random boards and post screenshots of random nip shit. Also I'll shit talk every single available resource whilst shilling my own shit. My patreon will be up soon.
>>19703992
anon crunchyroll is the worst offender i've come across

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703416
>play leyline instead.
why ley line over unison's other titles?

[Anonymous No.]

kids think crunchy roll is bad?

you dont know shit about fan subs kid

i was there in the trenches watchin previous generations of "dekinais" get killed before my eyes

[Anonymous No.]

is there a daijirin epwing file available without the j-e e-j dictionaries included?

[Anonymous No.]

just fuckin play aqua blue

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704001
You're definitely fucking garbage at Japanese. Check yourself, kiddo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703992
whered you get that pic of me

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any rhyme or reason to when words that have simple, well-known kanji are instead rendered as hiragana?

I understand fine that katakana is sometimes used for emphasis, but the hiragana just seems arbitrary. It really fucks me up because I think I'm about to read some part of speech that doesn't have a kanji, only to figure out a few seconds later that part of it was supposed to be なに or something and they just didn't put 何 for Reasons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19703992
by the way cr translators arent exactly professionals most of them are just intermediates because real pros aint wasting their time on that small change

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704084
read more and your brain will learn to sort it out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704084
you really need to stop and look at the honkers >>19701225

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704091
I'm sure I will, I'm just curious as to the reasoning. Like... once I'm fluent, should I be doing this myself? As far as I understand, people sometimes write out the hiragana if they're using a particularly obscure kanji, but I don't see the sense in doing it with everyday ones.

>>19704099
I genuinely appreciate this heads-up, as I've not been following the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

Have you made the monolingual transition yet, /djt/?

[Anonymous No.]

わたしは日本人なのでまあ正直楽勝だった

[Anonymous No.]

I like mystery novels
Should I bother reading Edogawa Ranpo, or is it a waste of time trying to read shit that old because the kind of language isn't used anymore these days?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704126
no maybe in 4 months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704174
I read one of his short stories and it was pretty simple stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

if its something you want to do its not a waste of time unless you sit there not doing it and actually just waste your time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699091
I quit anki like 2 months ago and I was not fluent. My remembrance of words has not seemingly gone down, and I have learned new words and recognize more kanji. I also read and watch raw anime every day. If you do not like anki quit it as it is not even close to necessary.

[Anonymous No.]

slowly ripping those scales from their eyes one manchild at a time

[Anonymous No.]

When will you guys learn that the only necessary thing for learning Japanese is watching and reading oreimo and re:zero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704040
Is 下級生 the one that everyone raged about having NTR way too late on the story or is that some other game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704113
always figured its for legibility in small print / old tv sets.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVg-iOGm0Ps#t=53

>>19704251
youre on some shit

[Anonymous No.]

>up daily anki to 50 words a day
>reviews up to 350
>still finish by 5 oclock
Why do people think kanji is hard? maybe I just have a knack for seeing things in the characters better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704251
That's 下級生2.

[Anonymous No.]

thats not a real game that doesnt exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704024
because it's what i have experience with as a beginner and found it to be mostly comprehensible. reading it helped get me where i am today: still a shitty brainless dumbass but at least i can read a little faster than i could a year ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704312
Different readings, lookalikes. I assume most people who say this are probably auditory learners, too. Or they are referring to kanji with more than 10 strokes? Who knows.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704326
It's as real as https://vndb.org/v8731

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704344
stop it its not real https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myWaa6xvPZ4

[Anonymous No.]

i want to read robotics;notes but it ain't available on a single platform worth owning
somebody headpat me i can't handle this

[Anonymous No.]

if it helps robo notes fuckin blows

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704384
im horny for giant robots and baldr sky would probably be wasted on me at my current """skill""" level though

[Anonymous No.]

cant you just read something nice like galaxy angel instead

[Anonymous No.]

found jamal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xDc3oDeavQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704413
galaxy angel is an endless pit of autism that i have no interest in falling down

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704413
i'm not >>19704425 and don't really know why he said that but while it does have a little bit of appeal i really want some big handsome robots to look at every now and then while playing you feel me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704435
it's like dot hack but worse

[Anonymous No.]

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%AE%E3%83%A3%E3%83%A9%E3%82%AF%E3%82%B7%E3%83%BC%E3%82%A8%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B8%E3%82%A7%E3%83%AB#%E5%95%86%E5%93%81

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704447
thank's

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704379
What are you talking about? Vita is the greatest platform since the PS2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704425
>>19704443
youre trippin on some mad shit dude

>>19704456
this is actually true but not outside of japan i think

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704425
Is it?
Only played their first and watched the anime but the anime is slapstick and the game was generic as fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/maximebernier
https://twitter.com/lingosteve/status/1031328646236008448

Steve just wrote a tweet supportive of Maxime Bernier and got retweeted lmao. Steve is about to get ass-reamed by the Canadian media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704461
Even if you're not in Japan you can pirate Japanese games just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704468
the real nani is how you know this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704468
┐(‘～` )┌

>>19704477
well yeah that angle always exists but what im saying is the average djter doesnt understand the wealth

they dont understand that even if they start now they prolly cant play everything there is on the ps2 before they die let alone the vita..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704492
the average human life is too short to even read 100 visual novels. the world really is a scary place...

[Anonymous No.]

and dont even get me started on the dreamcast and psx and saturn oh my

[Anonymous No.]

at my reading speed life is too short to even read this post >>19704153

oh no im dead

[Anonymous No.]

fuckin rip dude pourin out some 天然水 for my fallen ninjas

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704492
Oh right. Yeah, that's true. And in the Vita's case in particular it'll probably still be getting new games in 2020, maybe even later if it doesn't get a successor.

[Anonymous No.]

I just want to read murakami

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704536
have you tried yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704312
Are you doing words or RTK shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704540
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704468
Steve was being ironic right? Mainstream? Really?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704558
http://djt.netlify.com/b/[%E6%9D%91%E4%B8%8A%E6%98%A5%E6%A8%B9]%20%E7%BE%8A%E3%82%92%E3%82%81%E3%81%90%E3%82%8B%E5%86%92%E9%99%BA/[%E6%9D%91%E4%B8%8A%E6%98%A5%E6%A8%B9]%20%E7%BE%8A%E3%82%92%E3%82%81%E3%81%90%E3%82%8B%E5%86%92%E9%99%BA/index.html
what're you waiting for bud

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704312
>recognition
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704468
Steve's a banker so he's more than happy to let his country get reamed out. Oh well, he'll be dead before it matters to him, and being a polyglot there's numerous places he could've retreated to anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704598
How well do bankers get paid?

[Anonymous No.]

Well I just started my Japanese class in College. The other students there are...not what I expected. Here's the break down from the 25 classmates.
>10 - Japanese
>9 - Mixed Japanese
>3 - Chinese
>3 - Weebs
I was expecting a hell of a lot of more Weebs but there are just 3. And I figure the 10 Japanese are just getting a free A yeah?

[Anonymous No.]

>7,8,9,10,101,102,103
Really subs2srs? How the fuck do you fuck up enumeration that bad? Now I have to make sure all episode numbers have 3 digits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704633
College Japanese classes are 90% East Asians, yeah.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone post the video that was like
>Learn Hiragana in 1 hour

[Anonymous No.]

>私は日本語出来ない (unintelligible dysfluent gagging)
Came across this in sakubi, what's exactly wrong with the sentence?
Is it using one word's kanji right next to another's?
Or is it just that it says "as for me, japanese impossible"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704633
>just in the class to get a free A
Literally how is this allowed. They must be weak in some aspect. You can get a free pass to higher levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704633
The moment you get to Japanese 2 it's going to be purely Asians. Maybe one Weeb will actually pull through. I've met a few that actually put an effort into it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704658
>Literally how is this allowed
It fucking sucks that they allow this. My Uni sort of tried to stop this by saying "If you know Japanese you have to skip to Japanese 2". What then happens is the Japanese speaking students purposely fail the entrance test for Japanese 2 and act juuust dumb enough to seem like they don't know shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704633
Sounds more like you just live in the greatest place on Earth, anon. How do you have that many Japanese all in one place? Never seen it before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704658
a lot of kids go to college and have no idea what the fuck they are really doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704633
In my experience Japanese classes are filled with Hafus. What's up with that? Shouldn't they already know Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704633
>>19704660
You guys really don't have that token white guy who's not a weeb but really good at Japanese and needs the class to major in Japanese Cultural Study?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704633
Japanese 101? You should withdraw, self study, and test into at least 201 and save yourself 2 semesters of tuition. 101 and 102 are a straight up waste of time and money, I mean 201 and 202 kind of are as well but at least your classmates will have a tiny degree of competency by then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704682
When even American Asians don't know their own language, how can you expect a hafu to?

[Anonymous No.]

>watch 日本語の森
>grammar videos
>end up understanding the base grammar better than the points being taught

I know that in like a month I won't even think about any of this, but for the moment this is really solidifying everything that Tae Kim taught in his grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704682
They're either heritage speakers and suck at it or are looking for that free A if Spanish classes are any indicator
>>19704684
I took 101 for free credit and had the highest grades in the class so unfortunately I didn't get the chance to meet someone that based

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704689
>アジアアメリカ人
he said it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEo87oaQXZY

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704687
I came in with the Kana memorized but that's about it so I hope I get something out of it. I had a spot open in my schedule and literally nothing else fit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704682
common misconception my ninja https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcSIurVQcRs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704633
The really interesting part of this post by the way is how you know all about the students. And even counted them, like wow. 10? 9? 3? How do you know so well after just barely starting? Did you talk to everyone? Quite the social one we got here. You must be Chinese or a Weeb then? Maybe both? Very observant so maybe potentially smart?

[Anonymous No.]

>Be Japanese
>Raised in America
>Knows Japanese fluently
>Move in with cousins in Japan
>Still treated as an outlander

[Anonymous No.]

oh dang them family politics is real wit it lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704708
Day 1 we had one of those introduction circles.
>"Okay class go around and tell me something about yourself."
So that's how I know. Plus the last name is a big giveaway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704704
Kana is the one thing everyone in a 101 class is lazy about.

[Anonymous No.]

ironic and fucked up that no matter how in everyone is people will find a way to divide and hate each other

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704687
Not that guy. I'm scared to skip the first year because of speaking and what if they expect you to know exact translations and grammar definitions from genki. The alternative is just some other gen ed... I'm still sort of a beginner so it wont be a complete waste of time right?

[Anonymous No.]

me good

you bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704734
This. Even if it's a waste it's still a good way to get some networking. Make friends with the people who are serious about studying and study with them. Chances are they're going to be studying ahead too!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704734
you go to college

its probably a waste of time and money especially if youre askin questions about it on djt

[Anonymous No.]

So how long have you all been studying? I'm at year 2 and can read NHK Easy so far.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are chuunige so hard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704744
My sides are in orbit from this post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704734
It can help you get over that first hump, but you can literally coast through 4 semesters of Japanese and barely be able to read easy manga so it kinda depends on your motivation. If I hadn't taken classes as a base I'm not sure I would have been able to jump into self learning like I do now. But there is the other reality that you can learn more in six months on your own pace than you will in 4 semesters. For speaking, you could always hire a tutor by the hour and get practice that way, much more effective than class for your time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19702718
>>19702850
>>19703373
>>19703962
Manga isn't reading.

>>19702820
Manga is awesome and you can learn from it.
It's not reading though but that shouldn't deter you from it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704769
No matter how many times you post this, it will never stop being retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704769
>Manga isn't reading.
I've been using Light Novels. Is that okay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704761
they arent hard theyre colorful

>>19704762
nah dude you shouldnt even be allowed to go to college till youre like 30

spend your 20s doin grunt work and gain some perspective and when you have a better idea of what you really want for your life go to college with that money you saved up : )

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704792
Damn, this guy really knows what he's talking about. Hitting me with all these based posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704792

>College with the money you've saved up
Murilards really do think everyone on the internet is American don't they.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704805
This is an American website.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704792
How to gain perspective and get a better idea of what you really want in life?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704805
cause i bet youre gonna want to be holdin down a full time job and going to college right mate

more like 18-22 year olds think they know it all and have zero perspective and think they have any ability to step up and fuck with a real ninja

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704819

/pol/ is literally only half American. The servers might be in America, but that does not mean everyone here in American. Stop being silly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704833
struggle for a while

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704834

College is free in my country because we are not a mixed shithole throwing tax money at blacks so they can fuck our women.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704852
How to struggle? That sounds risky.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704846
did you click the wrong board, /pol/fag? You're not welcome here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704856
is living costs free? can you go bust your ass 8, 9, 10 hours a day and manage school on top of it? even worse if you have other circumstances and life obligations???

hello???? dont talk to me child

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704856
Since it's free, does that mean it's useless?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704857
well life is kind of risky

you might die at any time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704762
Keep laughing I'm a comp/math major at an elite university(for free).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704884
You've got a good point there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704869

You speech patterns don't go well written down, please calm down. Since college is free (many Americans come here to study) we don't have to "save up" for 10 years like in America, or worse offer our asses and four fingers to some Jew bank.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704910
Glad you understand the struggle of many Americans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704889
You don't get to brag until you bring home your first paycheck, kiddo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704910
stand down ignorant child youve never done anything truly hard in your life and i pray the lord has mercy on you when you do finally meet hardship because your weak ass needs it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704926
I am an American citizen, but not natural born. But let me be clear, my loyalty is to my home country and my people, America lacks identity and purpose, people there chase pleasure and not happiness. A "nation" full of 20 and even 30 year old children.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704943
怪しい

[Anonymous No.]

ok im bored of this one bring in the next victim

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704933
>You've never done anything truly hard in your life
Says the American, this is why people hate your country. Enough politics, I just wanted to comment that not everyone here is American. You can reply to this post but I am ending my responses here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704943
What is "happiness" though? How do you find and chase that of which you don't know or understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704931
What do you think student do over the summer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704964
thats right the fuck outta here life noob

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704970
jerk off to eroge obviously

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese is so amazing it brings together young and the old as well as the NEETs.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705009
LOOK MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705009
Why is it pink?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705017
Dude 95% of this thread is regurgitated shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705026
forcing your own memes isn't regurgitation

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705009
This was actually helpful?! This is KKLC you said?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705028
I'm not trying to force a meme. And that doesn't change the fact this thread is 95% regurgitated shit.
>>19705039
>This was actually helpful
lol

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705045
Not sure what's scarier. This meme or that someone has potentially been here since 2011.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705045
how u know his last name is bonder

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705059
i saw it in one of the videos you nerds linked he didnt log out of his gmail lmao

thats 100% a matt quote from when he was like 12

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705070
sad part is that he was 16 not 12

[Anonymous No.]

So the guide kinda just says "Go through Tae Kim's grammer guide". Is there anything else I should do while I read that to help along the way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705089
Learn kana obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705009
>>19705044
If you don't think that is not an effective, concrete, easily visualized way to conquer that specific kanji, you're a complete brainlet.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey lads, if I were to use anki on my phone, say on my daily train journeys and reviewed random cards outside of my review period, would that fuck me up somehow? As in am I defeating the purpose of spaced repetition?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705104
Yes, don't do that. Just look at the core list or read. Or anything else Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/98lbjw/where_do_the_advanced_learners_hang_out/e4ht3bs/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705127
>The DJT threads on 4chan tend to have more advanced users actively posting than we do here.
Not sure if that's a plus for us, or a jab at them.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705089
yea make sentence banks of anime in anki and use the anki browser to look up any word or grammar point from your favorite shows, complete with sentences and audio

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705127
>The DJT threads on 4chan tend to have more advanced users actively posting than we do here.
Where? When do any of you cucks demonstrate you know jack shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705127
they were talking about /int/ dumbshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705156
no one knows anything keep it moving

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705127
Can someone explain why people here piss on /r/LearnJapanese so much? I started off there and am fine.

[Anonymous No.]

reddits for fuckin gaymos?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705179
they are neither useful nor fun to be around. just a bunch of snobs who shit on you for your "inferior" methods. you can't even bring up a college approved text book without just getting so much hate. and there is literally shit everywhere. its just not a good environment for learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705179
This. I'm there all the time and everyone is very helpful. Some of them are a bit...arrogant? Sometimes but it's the same here only more faggotry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705179
they're like djt when it comes to bashing on dumb methods but also they encourage other specific dumb methods like genki -> tobira -> jlpt prep and shit on immersion/reading and listening a lot

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705179
All they do is argue over ecelebs and post pointless unfunny memes like "manga isn't reading". Plus they're mean.

[Anonymous No.]

madagomakesurarerusaruska

[Anonymous No.]

>projecting this much

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705232
>manga isn't reading
How is it not? I'm a Japanese American in Europe and learned a fuck ton just by reading tons of Manga. Obviously using just Manga is bad but using it in addition to studying? It's great! What's wrong with having fun while learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705268
try watching anime sometime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705218
>shit on immersion/reading and listening a lot
But...immersive reading is fucking amazing for learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705297
They all actually look cute. Time to watch this when or if I can find it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705305
i know right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705297
Question. Is this an actual live adaptation or a hentai adaptaion?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705297
i was gonna ask if that was a porno before i clicked to make full size and tfw やっぱりね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705314
>tfw no isekai harem

>>19705331
>>19705342

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705382
well was gonna post the full dvd case, but nvm, it disappeared

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705390
How does it just disappear

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705395
it didn't upload, then i cant find it on my computer anymore. also its not on the site where it literally just was. only the half-cover is there anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>I'm sorry. The site is crowded very much now.
I apologize for the inconvenience, but take a pause for a while, and please try it.
When be not improved even if I take a pause for a while, please contact Support Center.
dear god you guys move quick

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys, poor European here. Does anyone know where I can find the volumes for Fate/Prototype: Fragments of Sky Silver in pdf/epub form for free?
Or rather if you direct me to a site where I could find untranslated light novels that aren't in the library I would really appreciate it!
Sorry if I shouldn't be asking about that sort of stuff here.

[Anonymous No.]

you can get it right here http://vmashup.com/uewUyc1S

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705268
>and learned a fuck ton just by reading tons of Manga
You mean watching tons of manga

[Anonymous No.]

eating, but close

[Anonymous No.]

you have to reheat the manga in the microwave before eating it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705476
Can't wait to try konbini food desu.

[Anonymous No.]

Wait, I though potato was just　芋 (いも)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704712
Is this typical of Asian Americans? Not getting accepted in their country of origin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705496
I'm surprised that I haven't came across this word yet. Must be in the 4000s.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705476
you can also microwave it to release its bindings, liquidize it, and paint it on your walls like a certain mountain dwelling hermit did

[Anonymous No.]

while your mom holds the camera

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704468
>Maxime Bernier
Literally who?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705721
some french nigga

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705045
Where were you when you learned that Matt is a Polish Jew?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705783
Here apparently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705783
silly anon, ashkenazi heritage is traced through mothers (i.e. it doesn't follow family names)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705783
i mean its easy to just give in and play to the common prejudices but that aint me

and after all hes just a child

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705861
Why is it almost always young people who make videos about learning Japanese? Where are all the competent old ones? Do they just not exist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705870
the old ones are too busy jackin off (emotionally) to eroge (nakige) to care whether or not newbies sink or swim

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705104
If you want to do more just add more cards don't do a random selection and don't add too many at once. You'll get an idea of how much work x cards is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705870
why would they its not how they learned

[Anonymous No.]

Can you determine someone's IQ by their favourite anime?

[Anonymous No.]

yes post it

[Anonymous No.]

new game

[Anonymous No.]

200 IQ desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705989
102

[Anonymous No.]

>手鼻
Fucking gross. Do Japanese people really do this?

[Anonymous No.]

i do it all the time

[Anonymous No.]

>便所飯
Fucking pathetic. Do Japanese people really do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19706102
Eating on the toilet is super comfy.

[Anonymous No.]

mine is the disappearance of haruhi suzumiya

[Anonymous No.]

96

[Anonymous No.]

as for me it is code geese

[Anonymous No.]

>eating while inhaling the smell of public toilet
Jesus Christ. Japs are pathetic. Just grow a spine and tell people you want to eat alone

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705721
Canadian white supremacist MP.

[Anonymous No.]

who the fuck are you quoting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19706128
100

>>19706130
its easy to think that way when youre bigger and have large enough perspective to see beyond the fish bowl of high school

but at the time those isolated kids really cant

[Anonymous No.]

>>19706130
They are usually clean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19704333
>auditory learners
That's pseudoscience, friend. Everybody learns the same ways, they just enjoy different methods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699813
あたしのではん？

>まだら　め　はる　のぶ
>しゅぶ　じんたい　そんしょう　ちゅうしゅこつ　こっせつ
>きんい　しせつかん　かんせつ　ねんざ
>（すでに）　ぜんち

[Anonymous No.]

how about spice and wolf

[Anonymous No.]

-55

[Anonymous No.]

holy shit how smart do you have to be to have negative iq

i guess we should be recommending ookami to wolf instead of yotubato for new learners

[Anonymous No.]

>>19705496
あたしのちいきでは「いも」は

「さといも」のこと

こういうたべもの

[Anonymous No.]

>>19706221
110

[Anonymous No.]

what about BPS

[Anonymous No.]

>>19699332
>>19699343
Guys I'm not going crazy, right? I swear I've seen this exact same conversation like a week ago, I'm having insane deja vu senses kicking in

[Anonymous No.]

So I started RTK at the start of the month. It's been fine so far for the most part. Was going to hit 500 today. Should I just flip it into a lazy kanji deck, while going through Tae Kim and sentence mining instead?