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[Anonymous No.]

This is the true Marisa, say something nice about her.

[Anonymous No.]

Piss off with your template shit.

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>>19693064
Sauce?

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>>19693116
Lost Girl - Lost Lady. Its one of Aya Azuma's doujins. Keep in mind that its just a doujin and is no more canon that Hirasaka's fairy doujins. Though Marisa does make a cute hag, ZUN has already stated that characters effectively dont age.

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>>19693259
Where has he stated that?

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>>19693277
He went to an event in China recently and during an AMA someone asked about Akyuu's situation, too which ZUN responded by saying that Touhou basically works off of Sazae-san time. Im sure youve seen that brought at least once since then and hopefully I wont need too explain it.

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>>19693315
I‘d be interested in knowing what event it is and what exactly he said. Characters aging has always been an interesting concept to me and it seemed plausible as seasons are advancing in Gensokyo so I want to make sure you aren’t pulling things out of your ass or that there is a shiity misinterpreted translation.

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>>19693367
http://clarste.tumblr.com/post/174148682416/zun-recently-attended-a-convention-in-china-where
(Hurr hurr Clarste I know, but there is no reason too suggest that this is wrong).
The specific quote in question is:
"Touhou uses Sazae-san time, so she’s going to live forever (as long as the story keeps going). Akyuu won’t die, and Reimu and the others won’t grow old. That’s Sazae-san time."
Really, given the nature of Touhou there is no reason too think that characters actually do age. Characters aging in a long running series like really doesnt add anything and is really just a hassle for the author in most cases. Especially in the case of Akyuu, ZUN made the rule regarding her back when he wasnt expecting too be working on the series for much longer. He likely never thought that there would be a time when it actually needs to be brought back up.
Also no I dont know what the convention name is. I could probably find it but couldnt be fucked too do so since its not particularly important.

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>>19693064
I will say 知ってたよ

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>>19693064
Perfect Milf material. Just needs to have a baby put inside of her before her menopause kicks in.

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>>19693259
Thank you. She's handsome.

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>>19693367
Your shitty ass headcanon is an aspull,anon.

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>>19693607
>you will never grow old with her

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>>19693064
This: >>19693535
I would ruin an older Marisa.

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>>19693497
It's weird because it also obviously DOESN'T, what with characters physically maturing and all.

I think it's more likely he'll give Akyuu a reason to live a normal lifespan, and perhaps punish her for it too. He already started showing that she was trying to live longer in FS.

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>>19695174
>It's weird because it also obviously DOESN'T, what with characters physically maturing and all.
What characters are you possibly talking about? No characters in the series have changed appearance in any meaningful way, particularity in appearance changes as a result of age. ZUN's art is not a good indicator of age (which he admits) and the print works artists have never done any aging up of any characters. Give me just one example of any character actually physically maturing. The jump from PC98 too Windows games for Reimu, Marisa, Alice and Yuuka dont count because of the significant style change of ZUN's art between them. It wouldnt be a good example.

And as far as the Akyuu thing is concerned I highly doubt ZUN is going too actually do anything more with it. I think how that ultimately pans out is something he'll leave open for fanworks too explore.

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>>19695693
Don't bother replying to that dipshit who is obsesed with touhou girls aging.

[Anonymous No.]

Marisa was waiting for you, Anon!
Why did you make her wait?

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>>19695778
Yeah, why did you make (myself) wait for things you knew you needed?

[Anonymous No.]

i don't like the old Reimu.

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>>19695912
She need more hair.

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>>19693497
Well, that settles it then, I guess. To be honest, I think "Simpsons time" is more appropriate. The characters in The Simpsons have remained the same age for decades, while the world around them has evolved and stayed contemporary. Although Touhou revolves around a location frozen in the early Meiji period, it acknowledges the passage of actual time, and constantly references contemporary events. In fact, Touhou has even made such a big deal about Gensokyo being connected to the outside world and the actual passage of time, that "Sazae-san time" is a really hard pill to swallow for me. It feels like a cop-out.

(I'm not that other anon by the way, this is my first post in this thread)

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>>19695912
Reimu is only going to get older as time passes unfortunately

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>>19696131
Time flow is irregular in Gensokoyo. Everything is irregular in the land.

>tfw all of Sanae classmates are grown adults by now.

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>>19695693
>No characters in the series have changed appearance in any meaningful way, particularity in appearance changes as a result of age.
Boobs mean nothing.

Okay, whatever.

>>19695721
Fuck off. Why does it have to be "obsessed" when you merely observe that across works, Reimu and Marisa are no longer sized or shaped like children?

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>>19695693
Also
>Give me just one example of any character actually physically maturing
Akyuu starting as a tiny girl in most art until FS has her looks noticeably mature is one example but it doesn't count because nothing counts.

Reimu having breasts is another.

Marisa and Reimu being taller than kids is another. But again, nothing counts apparently. Nothing. Just shut up and accept the tell rather than the show. I really don't particularly care about this and imagine you won't ever see an old or significantly aged Reimu, for example, but the fact of the matter is characters who were once noticeably children are no longer about 10 years later.

[Anonymous No.]

If the writer says the characters don't age, they do not age.

Stop being autists. His fictional setting, his words go.

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>>19696203
But they age. It's having your cake and eating it too. Saying they don't age and showing them aging. Talking about mortality as an actual concern for all human characters. Having a character with a short lifespan concerned about her encroaching end.

I repeat that I'm not saying he won't keep them at a youthful teens/twenties appearance, I am saying that he got them there after starting out depicting them as, and saying they were, children. It also wouldn't be the first time ZUN just changed his mind over how things work, but generally time HAS passed in Gensokyo and with effects, not to mention how it has an entire history in which people lived, aged, and died. So again, it's having your cake and eating it too. Constructing a setting in which time is an obvious factor, and then later saying it's not. This is not autism dipshit, reading and actually paying attention is autistic?

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>>19696203
Just because they aren't going to grow old doesn't mean they they're barred from aging (from, like, 12 to 15 or fucking whatever). Sazae-san's Wakame Isono was 5 when she debuted in the manga, she turned older until she was 7, and then she stopped.

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>>19696151
>Time flow is irregular in Gensokoyo.
What bothers me is that this is not even the case. If something happened 1 year ago in real time, characters in Touhou talk about it happening 1 year ago. On years when there has been no game releases, the characters in the print works mention that it has been an uneventful year. If the manga chapters get released on time, the season in the chapter even tends to align with the actual season when it was written and drawn.

Everything points to that the human characters should have aged a lot by now, it has even been stated that they indeed are and age like regular humans. But if ZUN says Touhou works by Sazae-san time, it does. Everything else works as you'd expect, but the characters simply don't age. End of story. It's convenient for ZUN this way, because he does not want them to age. I think it's dumb and I hate it, but there's nothing I can do about it.

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>>19696291
Basically he probably thoughtlessly (and this is not meant as an insult, just really wasn't thinking about it) started a series with kid protagonists, but it's been a long time so it'd be a little absurd for them to be kids (so if they're ever beside kids in official works, they aren't similar), BUT he won't go further than that because granny Hakurei Miko is too weird a concept, even for him.

Even though I'd like to see that, and further generations, but that would be a STUPIDLY risky move and I bet not at all to his taste. It's a bit silly with immortal characters who canonically do not age at ALL running around (or characters like Youmu who canonically age slowly), but meh. This is not a big deal and is understandable

[Anonymous No.]

Why do hagfags want the characters to be hags so badly? Let ZUN have his loli doujin game in peace.

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>>19696333
"I can't read", the post.

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>>19696333
Granny fuckers just hate little girls.

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>>19693064
if ZUN ever did end touhou he would have rinnosuke put a bun in marisa's oven, with okina being the godmother.

[Anonymous No.]

Things can change, the girls can change, but they're not getting OLDER.

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>>19696367
correct, i can't wait for marisa to get closer to okina

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>>19696291
1 year ago = 1 year ago
2 years ago = 2 years ago
3 years ago = 3 years ago
4+ years ago = ~3 years ago / a few years ago

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>>19695778
This better not be non-h or yuri, anon. I'm already checking on sadpanda.

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>>19696131
Its what best for the series. It would be a pain in the ass too have too take age into consideration when there is much more interesting shit that could be written about. Aging is hardly important in literary works unless it is a focal point.

>>19696169
Who developed breasts since EoSD? Aside from the different ways some artists draw the characters, it has never been consistently shown any character has developed breasts.
>Fuck off. Why does it have to be "obsessed" when you merely observe that across works, Reimu and Marisa are no longer sized or shaped like children?
EoSD Reimu and Marisa hardly look any older than HSiFS Reimu and Marisa. Reimu and Marisa in WaHH dont look much older now than they did in Volume 1 Chapter 1. Understand what im saying?

>>19696181
>Akyuu starting as a tiny girl in most art until FS has her looks noticeably mature is one example but it doesn't count because nothing counts.
Trying too compare characters between different artistic styles is not proof of aging. Especially when it comes too the contrast between the different manga artists and ZUN's art.
>Reimu having breasts is another.
Examples? Because all of her game art has her flat as a board and most print works artists draw her fairly chestless as well.
>Marisa and Reimu being taller than kids is another.
Like I said, ZUN at a much "younger" style in the PC98 era and yes you could say the where kikds back then. However, like I said above EoSD Reimu and Marisa hardly look any younger or older than HSiFS Reimu or Marisa, and they certainly dont show any signs of actually aging in the various manga from when they started too now.

>But they age. It's having your cake and eating it too. Saying they don't age and showing them aging.
They dont age and have never shown signs of aging aside from the PC98 too Windows jump. Again you cant compare the works of various artists and say that is shows them age when the individual artists have not shown any intention of actually doing so.
>I am saying that he got them there after starting out depicting them as, and saying they were, children.
In PC98 sure, but ill refer you too the examples I gave above as too why there is no proof they have ever been aged up in the windows era.
>but generally time HAS passed in Gensokyo and with effects, not to mention how it has an entire history in which people lived, aged, and died.
Apparently you dont understand what Sazae-san time is or how it works.

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>>19696500
>Apparently you dont understand what Sazae-san time is or how it works.
People are allowed to grow older in Sazae-san time as long as they eventually hit a permanent age.

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>>19696530
According too ZUN, not in the context of Touhou.

[Anonymous No.]

A super cute Marisa! I Wanted to post this image in a Marisa thread before 100 posts so that this post can live as long as possible. So adorable! bhbh

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>>19695778
People who crop doujins and don't have the source in the filename are truly evil

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>>19696354
*grannyfuckers can't have legal little girls because they are too socially inept.

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>>19693064
Truly heartwarming doujin.

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>>19696452
>>19697234
Original poster: Sawayaka Samehada - Marisa-chan to Sukebe Suru Hon

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>>19693835
>ruin.
Do you want her to remain childless?

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>>19696546
Rather according to ZUN, absolutely in that context as they've stopped aging but aged before.

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>>19696500
>Who developed breasts since EoSD?

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>>19696500
All these words yet you clearly haven't read CoLA or FS or more importantly, you're inobservant/don't give a shit. Whatever man

[Anonymous No.]

i dont pay attention to touhou aging because i know ZUN will never age the characters even if it makes no sense. don't think about it too hard.

it's like when you try to think about the plot to Dragonball too hard and find plotholes, and it stops being fun. these are fun, charming series that have never tried to be "deep", and cartoon logic is often at play.

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>>19696500
>Aging is hardly important in literary works unless it is a focal point.
You mean like with Akyuu?>>19696500
>Trying too compare characters between different artistic styles is not proof of aging. Especially when it comes too the contrast between the different manga artists and ZUN's art.
Here's what we know about Akyuu:
when she was born
how old she was when she first appeared (10)
how she looked in most art (childish)

We also know that ZUN dictates pretty strictly nowadays how characters should look in the official manga, as he had a character like Okina depicted as an adult after Aya depicted her as a child. The first time we see Akyuu in FS, after all her other very small art of 10 year old her, she is much taller, more mature, and said to be older than the protagonist (Kosuzu), who she treats like a child. However none of this matters according to you, nor how Rinnosuke has described Reimu and Marisa as children when they were children, yet like ten years later they interact with children on a level of maturity/adulthood. This isn't aging apparently. This is really all I'm saying, and it's visible, evident, and you can point to all of it. But whatever, right

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>>19698315
They aged in their backstories but they arent going to age anymore. Thats how ZUN wants it. Does it make sense? No, so don't think about it too hard and just enjoy the games.

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>>19698345
I've said they're no longer aging already. And with Akyuu, it's not backstory as she's showed up early. And also the "backstory" is like 2 years behind the first windows game, so during EoSD they would conceivably still be children and I repeat, pic related. Not kids no more.

There's also the boobs to consider, but really, they're going to stay young to the conceivable future and that is not something I'm denying. Actually if anything I find it neat and interesting how you can trace development of the human characters in Touhou to a point. I don't know why this bothers people, because in the end it's just a subtle thing you can pick up. Also Touhou frequently brings up matters of aging and mortality of humans, so whether or not ZUN ultimately takes that to its natural conclusion, he still litters the series thematically with the idea of human impermanence and age.

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>>19698381
the only thing you might get is the Marisa youkai question. But even then introducing Okina basically squashes that because he has a human fetish.

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>>19698287
>don't think about it too hard
2hu fanbase is full of autists who are literally incapable of following this advice. Some people will whine forever about the aging decision, because it's "not logical" and "doesn't make sense".

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>>19698400
eh, you get the entirety of PoFV, any time Komachi shows up and talks to or about humans, Kasen's talk about achieving eternal life, Miko and the other taoists abandoning their mortality, Marisa wanting to become a magician (allegedly) (immortal), Reimu refusing to become a vampire but accepting she wants like 10 years extra of lifespan, Akyuu's entire character and somewhat recent concerns about her approaching death, the Hourai immortals, Byakuren being scared of death and aging and thus becoming a magician, talk about how frequently humans die and the innevitability of death, Sakuya's refusal to become immortal and instead retaining her humanity...

etc etc

>>19698411
You know I really don't take it seriously, I just take it, which is according to you autism. I read the shit, played the games, and fuck me retained the information I got from them. I dunno how that is autistic in any sense, since it's just reading, playing, and reading more. I thought that's what you needed to do to be "primary"?

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>>19698411
i don't care if the characters never age. but what does bug me is ZUN's insistence on never changing the status quo.

Which is why stuff that could be really cool, like Marisa's lunar orb or her relationship with Okina, will probably end up going nowhere besides little hints.

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>>19698424
You just shouldn't think about it too hard. Remember, ZUN completely destroyed the canon and started up again once before. And even then there's shit that doesn't make sense like Mimi not existing in Windows canon, yet being hinted at.

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>>19698442
I don't believe I am. Thinking hard would be thinking about stuff like the Hakurei lineage and how it's supposed to work. All this is is observation.

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>>19698442
Mima*
fuck i am sleepy

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>>19698451
>I don't believe I am.
The creator told you to your face that he isn't aging the characters anymore. Plenty of creative works do that even if it doesn't "make sense", because no one wants 40 year old menopause Marisa running around. What is there left to think about?

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>>19698459
I have said maybe 6 times that I accept he isn't aging the characters anymore and have explained why that's fine for a long running series that never expected to be long running, regardless of its themes and characters.
>>19696309

[Anonymous No.]

Wrong, this is the true Marisa. You don't need to say anything nice to her because she's FUCKING DEAD.

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>>19698250
I was drinking last night and dont remember where I was going with that reply so just ignore it.

>>19698256
Pic related is her LoLK artwork, where she obviously doenst have breasts again. Just because ZUN drew her with them one time and has since then not drawn her with them is not her actually developing breasts and showing signs of aging id say.

>>19698261
Admittedly I didnt take CoLA into consideration and I agree they would be considering younger in it, but the specific argument in question we were mainly talking originally was about physical aging as portrayed by artwork. It terms of Genji Asai's artworks I guess you could argue his characters look more adult now then when he started work on the series, but I would pin that more as developing his style when you also consider how loli he made characters like Yukari look back in the day.

>>19698315
When I say focal point im talking something that is universally important too the story and all of its characters. The only character that aging actually matters for is Akyuu and so is an isolated case. A case that is also just the result of ZUN not thinking that it would ever come up again and is therefore is kinda just a hindrance too him. If anything though, yes ill say Akyuu is the example I was looking for albeit the only one. Aside from us being told that Reimu and Marisa were younger in CoLA which I didnt consider at first.

>>19698381
I would argue the kid height comparison isnt sufficient (im only bringing this up because of the picture you posted). The reason for this is we have nothing consistent that can prove that they actually grew. As a counterpoint too that, Remilia is a child sized character and in most cases have always been drawn shorter than Reimu (according too ZUN being in the Short and Fairly Tall categories respectively). Granted, Remi arguably a bit taller than the kids in question.
> Actually if anything I find it neat and interesting how you can trace development of the human characters in Touhou to a point.
I agree with this but not in the context of aging but in personality and behavior. For example, Marisa is not nearly as immature now as she was in the past.
>Also Touhou frequently brings up matters of aging and mortality of humans, so whether or not ZUN ultimately takes that to its natural conclusion, he still litters the series thematically with the idea of human impermanence and age.
As ive mentioned before I dont really agree age was ever of any real importance aside from Akyuu, only the concepts of mortality and death themselves have been the important part. Perhaps I cant convey what I mean properly but basically we dont have any character who have an Akyuu sitiuation, and the only other chracter that is even partiuclary releveant too is Marisa with her ambition of immortality. Im talking in terms of the overall, the themes are not so much about aging and dying as they are more about the general concept of death (when these themes actually come up of course).

>>19698424
Mortality and death have always been themes in the series sure but the simple matter is that aging in general is not important too that outside of Akyuu's case.

Man this argument really isnt worth the energy any of us are putting into it really. Lets all just relax my friends.

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>>19699004
One time.

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>>19699082
Looks pretty flat too me.

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>>19699082
What's with that gesture anyway?
Is she trying to look religious or something?

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>>19699082
>>19699004
Her chest is covered in both recent portraits for what it's worth. By her gohei and her sleeves.