DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1983

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/

Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

Last thread: >>19614772

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

lets start this thread off right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19622280
A classic image.

[Anonymous No.]

Daily laymen refuting entire fields thread.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

no one heres been laid tho

[Anonymous No.]

So Flyable Hearts is literally perfect...

[Anonymous No.]

daily schizo being incoherent thread

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19622344
trust me a lil list with #s on it isnt going to help you with anything

btw the word list looks really fuckin weird to me right now

list list list

anyway dont read flyable balls it fuckin sux read the better modern flying eroge if my heart had wings

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>>19622344
read eustia that one is cool

[Anonymous No.]

God speed, gentlemen. Remember, DO YOUR REPS (by reps, I mean 2-4 hours of reading+listening today)

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>>19622360
he imitates text to speech programs. it's fucking weird.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

i bet i could change nuke marines nihongo life and free him of his eternal torment

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>>19622402
matt vs japan talked with him for a good hour or so on youtube and he couldn't change his mind at all. what can you tell the man who has convinced himself that his method is the best but who has been at a beginner stage for 8 years?

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>>19622416
all you have to do is trick him into consuming dlsite eroge trials in japanese for a few months

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

talk to him in japanese like a 5 year old until he completely melts down

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

and then of course rebuild him better and stronger than ever since im taking a great leap in assuming hes got all the exposure he needs by now lol

[Anonymous No.]

Gonna take N3 again this year. Last year I got 73 and this time I'm going to pass it. Any good reading exercises

[Anonymous No.]

I had barely gotten started with anki when my computer shat on me, and now that i've restarted I noticed that both times shit started getting hard and annoying after about 2 weeks, to where I dont feel like doing it.
it feels like im overloading but im only on 20 new a day
am I retarded

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>>19622591
Try doing something more fun in Japanese.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19622591
youre not retarded the flashcards just have no meaning to you

its normal

go play with japanese first before you start doing dumb shit like drilling things that you dont care about

[Anonymous No.]

きょうのにほんご

>元年

元年のつぎは２年になるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>Questioned why do the Japanese language have so much Kanji and thought it would be easier to read it in nothing but Katakana

>Years later I've realized it's difficult to read Japanese without the Kanji characters because I've gotten so accustomed to it.

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>>19622750
Maybe in a few more years you'll get good enough to realize that Japanese people can read pure kana text effortlessly, and you're currently in yet another bubble of inexperience which blinds you to the truth.

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>>19622667
>flashcards just have no meaning to you
but I run into native nip every day, doujin are the main reason I started learning

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Elitism aside, is stroke order important?

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>some mouthbreather on my friends list got a hiragana か tattoo thinking it meant power in chinese

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>>19622829
stroke order is important if you want to write
otherwise no

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>>19622831
they can turn it into a 力 inside of a triangle and it'll be power again

[Anonymous No.]

もうあつーい

たえられなーい

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>>19622829
In writing? Yeah. If you want to learn, I recommend doing it the way nips does it to obtain a good habit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19622844
エアコンつけば

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone share Tae Kim pdf?

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>>19622829
If you are learning to write, it is stupid not to learn stroke order. It might increase your learning time by 1%, but I think even that is a high estimate.

[Anonymous No.]

if I learn the general "pattern" for writing can I get by by applying that to everything

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>>19623003
yeah but you're gonna way to learn the right ways to write all the individual components anyways because that's what counts when it comes to stroke order

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>>19622869
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/taekim.html#2%20Other%20formats
It's the link under
>2. PDF Version - Philipp Kerling wrote an awesome script to convert the site to PDF.

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>>19623022
Actually, the direct link should open in your browser if you want that.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/assets/grammar_guide.pdf

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the pdf version of tae kim is outdated, just use the new single-page html version

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone access Tae Kim's website? It seems like its down for me.

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>>19623077
yep looks down to me
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/taekim.html

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To those of you who are deathly afraid of misinterpreting shit and postpone "reading" manga.
If you know basic Japanese grammar (at least all of Tae Kim, except for certain literary expressions), you will be be able to understand most of the text correctly (provided you also use Handbook/DoJG).
If you do mess up a particular sentence, it will likely contradict what was said previously, the pictures or common sense.
And finally if you fuck something up really badly, it's not so terrible either, your very first manga sure as hell won't be one with a plot.

Now go and learn 日本語.

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>>19623138
no

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>>19623142
"No" what, Lowercase-kun?

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>>19623145
no I will not read before learning every word

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fuck this desu: 動く,働く

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also this: 待つ　持つ

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>>19623172
easy, anything can 動く, but only people (人・⺅) can 働く

also easy, 手・扌 makes it be "have", because hands "have", and 彳 makes it be "wait", because it's the same left side as 行 and has to do with motion

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>>19623172
段設投
織識職
彼破被

>RTK babbies need English keywords to tell these apart

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Daily reminder that if you're having trouble with listening and think that kanji filled text is easier than hiragana only then you've permanently fucked your brain and can't ever hope to learn Japanese.

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Daily reminder that no matter what you do, you can't learn Japanese.

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how do i find things to listen to i switched to android so i don't have podcasts for iphone anymore

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Does anyone have this in a higher resolution?

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>>19623351
The resolution is just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a pic related statistics on how many J-J dictionaries use within their explanations?
Like, approximately how many words does one need to know before one can use a J-J dictionary effectively?

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>>19623432
Stop worrying about austistic stuff like that and just try to use one and if you can't understand shit then you'll know its too early

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>>19623451
I'm not worrying about it.
I just found it merely amusing, I was reading that oxford dictionary uses around 3K words to describe English words, I wondered if there is a similar statistics for Japanese

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>>19623464
source?
the oed is massive, the full version takes up a whole bookshelf, I find it hard to believe that 3000 words is all that's needed for the descriptions

[Anonymous No.]

This guy always sounds so tired.

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>>19623474
>3000 words is all that's needed for the descriptions
No, but 3000 words is all you need to be able to understand any description without using other dictionaries. The lookup process can take forever if 3000 words is all you know though.

[Anonymous No.]

限り
限りだ
に限らず
に限り
に限って
とは限らない
とも限らない
とは限りません
～を限りに

Kill me

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While we are on the subject of word counts, what the fuck does this line in the guide mean?
>高校生レベル： ４万～４万５千語 = High School level: 40-45 thousand
If an high scooler knows 45k japanese words, just how many words are used in the real literature? like the kind of which, a typical high schooler wouldn't understand?
Is it just the difference on what constitutes a separate word between English and Japanese?
A typical English adult knows 20K words

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>>19623585
probably counts transitive and intransitive nouns and adverbs etc. as unique words etc, for english words it's the stem count

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>>19623559
make sentences using those words
sensei will correct your compositions

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>>19623595
あのんはにほんごを

あまくみているとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

I downloaded wanikani deck from sticky, but kanji are not displayed correctly. I put fonts that came with the deck into collection.media, still doesn't work.
Any ideas?

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new fag autist that wont give up that wants to learn jap here, how much do i have to learn till i can do weeb shit.

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>>19623632
Don't use wanikani deck

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>>19623635
However long it takes to learn hiragana

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>>19623649
you can read manga and watch anime with just hiragana?

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>>19623646
What's wrong with it ?

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>>19623668
yes

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>do thing from guide
>get told by /djt/ that thing from guide will permanently cripple your Japanese

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>>19623692
it's just a shitposter

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>>19623692
>Believing everything you read here

アホガ

[Anonymous No.]

anyone have any michael rowely links?

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>>19623738
never mind, i found a pdf, thanks anyway.

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>>19623765
fugg this blows, anyone have a link to a pdf book.

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When you read a book for the first time and encounter new words or expression that are unfamiliar, do you pause each time and search for its meaning, or do you continue on and hope that your reading comprehension is good enough to understand the context?

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>>19623731
>posting in japanese before you know it
Good job on permanently crippling yourself.

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>>19623852
I try not to make it a bad habit and learn from context without looking up words every second. If Rikaichan is available to use, I try to learn context from there.

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>>19623877
The thing is, I am not just looking up words, but hooking it up onto my Anki deck for future study. My reading progress is stalled each time and barely moving forward the first few pages. I assume this might just be at the start and once I built up my vocabulary, it would be much easier.

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>>19623906
You've permanently crippled yourself

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>>19623906
If you do not know much vocabulary, it will stall you. If you got the grammar down, I advise you to learn a bit of vocab so you can read stuff much faster and easier.

[Anonymous No.]

What is this little shit? It is followed by 識. I searched by radicals - 立, 日, 心 and none of the results made any sense.

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>>19623965
isiki

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>>19623974
OH. It's 自意識. I'm completely retarded. I thought the pic was one kanji because of how close they were to each other.

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>>19623985
A classic blunder. See also: 糸色望

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>>19624013
>Remembering more Anki cards than usual on my first try today
>Get to the new cards
>Already know the first three in a row thanks to other study materials
I hope your studying's going well, too!

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>>19623852
Generally, I look up every unknown word using a textbox and rikai. This is probably the wrong way to do it, but I don't feel comfortable just guessing and moving on.

If I just want to finish reading already I may start skipping some of the more obvious stuff - or, on the contrary, sentences I just don't get at all that aren't important to the plot (with fighting scenes being a common example). If I like the book a lot, I sure as hell will try to understand every sentence to the degree that I can. Even though it means I'm reading at a snail's pace.

It's tiring, but it can't be helped since I cannot learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

im so fucking tired, and i cant process anything right now before i go to bed is this the correct order of shit.
>read remembring the kana
>do tae kim videos and other stuff
>possibly do kanji shit if you really really want to

am i getting this right

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>>19624058
There isn't a specific order you should learn Japanese. That relies on you entirely.

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>>19624045
was that really necessary

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>>19624070
you know whats strange about me, i cant remember japanese symbols really fuck all, but i can probably remember the pronunciations, and possibly could say them well. I think all the stress ruined my memory in some case or something. Whats wrong with me?

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>>19624013
Where exactly are you going to see those three next to each other?

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>>19624078
By the sound of it, you are not surrounding yourself with enough Japanese to process that in your head as much as you are listening. I've had that problem before because I'm used to listening more than reading, thanks to the many years of watching Anime, and being into Japanese culture for more than a decade.

If you browse a website often, play a video game that you can change your region and switch the langue to Japanese, and learn how to write, I recommend doing so. Those is the best method I can think of if you're outside of Japan to get characters stuck in your head. It shouldn't take no more than a week or two depending how much you can, or want to soak in.

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>>19624085

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>>19623871
>Posting on DJT before you learned core 20K
Oh no, you can now never properly know Japanese

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>>19623935
Thing is, this is my way of learning new vocab.

>>19624055
I'm ESL, and I can't remember for the life of me how I did it back when I started reading books in English. I remember some words which I assumed the meaning of for so long and eventually finding out what it actually means later. I would like to avoid that as much as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

How should I go about learning how to write, at least casually? Lang-8?

While I can understand enough to read VN-tier text, my understanding of grammar is way too imprecise to write anything other than an awkward sentence with the help of weblio and yourei. And I haven't seen a place where you could get explanations as well as corrections.

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>>19624139
>posting on DJT
Oh no, you can't learn niponese now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624166

[Anonymous No.]

どくしょする

なにがいいかな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624160
I'm also ESL, and to this day I keep finding out that I misunderstood some word or expression for decades. But back when I started, it probably helped that I was like still in grade school and that English and, in my case, Russian weren't all that different, compared to the gap between Indo-European languages and goddamn Japanese.

The biggest mistake I made in learning Japanese clearly was starting it in well into my twenties.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there something actually interesting in the Japanese part of youtube?
I tried googling, but all I got was mediocre humor and a girl famous for eating too much on camera.

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>>19624229
There's nothing good about the western part of youtube either.

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>>19624242
I politely disagree.

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>>19624229
Is there anything interesting in any part of youtube?

Personally though what I watch from Japanese creators are mostly toy reviews and an occasional vtuber or two - most are boring, but sometimes there can be an interesting set of videos. I don't think Japan is any good at youtube despite even having their own nicovideo.

[Anonymous No.]

The right way to watch Japanese youtube is to consume ゆっくり実況.

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>>19624261
You say you disagree, but the image agrees with me. He was so embarrassed by himself he quit for good and severed any connections to his shitty persona.

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これよむー

おもしろいといいな
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/001581/files/55162_54760.html

[Anonymous No.]

Feels good to be able to conjugate and deconjugate verbs without any help.

[Anonymous No.]

はんぶんよんだ

きゅうかなだからよみにくいけど

いいほんだとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

あたしにも

よめないのでてくる

Ｎ１とっててもよめないとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19623351
waifu2x is always handy retard-kun

[Anonymous No.]

なつこみ

たのしそう

[Anonymous No.]

Why stop at core2k? Wouldn't one have learned bulk of the frequent kanjis by 2k words thus making the rest of the 4K words, easier to learn?

[Anonymous No.]

Why bother with Core when you can mine from the very beginning?

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>>19624516
the most common words are most likely to stick to the most commonly reused kanji and also learning new words does not get that much easier as you "learn kanji"

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>>19624522
Doesn't it really? surely already knowing the reading of a word and the hint from individual kanji meanings would make recalling a newly learned word, faster

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[Anonymous No.]

>Today we learn the word いつでも with a black man giving you a handshake

[Anonymous No.]

これは

わからないとおもう

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>>19624533
Not him, but If you are referring to compound Kanji, it varies. For example, If you take the word 電 (Electricity) and add 話 (to speak) you can guess translation without second guessing and make it seem like second nature. some are that simple.

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>>19623172
I can tell these apart. Thanks James.

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>>19624591
I'm not talking about guessing words you haven't seen before. rather, remembering the newly learned ones. take 左右 for example. The meaning is obvious to someone who has completed core2k, the only new information one has to learn about this particular word is the reading, which is much easier than learning reading, meaning and recognition for other new words which contains new kanji. I'm only up to 2.5k words so far, but many of the 2k+ words have been like this up until now.
I wonder why djt recommends dropping core at 2k if the rest of the way to 6k is easier than the first 2k part? (unless it's really not)

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>>19624623
because the general quality of core as a word list is very bad

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>>19624623
It's useless, even in the English language. Stick with the most commonly used and you''ll be fine.

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[Anonymous No.]

天清淨地清淨。内外清淨六根清淨。より人は。今ぞ寄りくる長濱の。蘆毛の駒に手綱ゆりかけ

If you can't read the following you can't learn japanese.

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>reading before you can read
lmao good job on crippling yourself permanently

[Anonymous No.]

Did anyone manage to backup their Aedict3 apk before he switched to a subscription model? I'm not paying monthly for something I already paid for...

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>>19622829
Don't listen to any of these retards (>>19622833, >>19622849, >>19622909) who obviously don't live in Japan or haven't lived there for a period of time longer than a year. Knowing 左 starts from the horizontal line and 右 from the vertical line does NOTHING for you as a twenty something guy just wanting to learn as an English speaker. Learning how to write symmetrical kanji like 淵 or intricate kanji like 鬱 or 鍵 don't mean shit for foreigners because you aren't learning this shit from the age of five like gook children are. Just learn kanji, both to read and write from memory.

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>>19624745
protip: writing 左 and 右 in the wrong direction, if you actually end up handwriting them for some reason, is actually terrible

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>>19624712
それはわかる

どこにもむずかしいところはないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>reading to improve vocabulary
>improving vocabulary to be better in conversations
memes aside, it's as if elitists in this thread cannot comprehend that there may be life outside of just anime porn, lewd vns, and doujins

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>>19624731
Got a cracked version that I've been using. let me know if it works
https://mega.nz/#!HksxCZaZ!kj-_B21YNH4Of96S_8Xbb4llCbwQDwZyM7QZm4g-x3k

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>>19624763
Shut up, idiot.

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>>19624799
you did both of them wrong because they're not slanted がんばって

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>>19624789
Thanks, will check in a bit.

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>>19624806
Thanks for the take mate, only you're wrong. Both were written correctly.

Keep starting all of your sentences with 私は and ending all of them with です though, maybe one day you wont sound like a fucking robot who memorized genki 1-3 you lanky retard.

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>>19624826
if you don't know what i'm referring to when i say they're not slanted then you need to study calligraphy lmao

[Anonymous No.]

The fun part is he got the stroke lengths wrong on purpose to try to trick you, but it didn't work, so he got mad.

[Anonymous No.]

yeah that was obvious

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>>19624835
Copying out someone's handwriting is like connecting the strokes in き and さ because computer fonts do it. As long as its readable, no one cares.

>>19624841
You sound like the kind of person that thinks カ and 力 are distinguishable because, on a computer, the latter is a little bigger. Typical of the average weeaboo in these threads that "learns" watered-down trash, spoonfed online from bullshit LEARN JAPANESE NOW websites. Pro-tip, they are actually written identically, but when making a font, why not go the extra step and make them seem different? Plenty of times genuine handwriting makes 士 and 土 look the same, but assuming you arent a drooling retard you can tell which is which from context.

Here's a new kanji for you, 文脈, add that to your anki deck. Go ahead, hover your mouse over it, and let rikai____ read it for you.

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>>19624858
I know more Japanese than you.

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>>19624862
I REALLY doubt that.

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>>19624862
>>19624864
I know less than either of you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624862
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>>19624867
I know none.

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>>19624864
この場から通じてないこと多いし、何も出来ずに頑張ったらいい

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>>19624799
Check out this letter by my gf if you want to understand what's wrong with your robotic handwriting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624874
This is the first time I have seen this image posted and not cringed. Good job.

[Anonymous No.]

みんななかよくなって。けんかしないでね。

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>>19624874
what this letter say??

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19624883
it means roughly わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

炬
燵

とてもキュートです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624883
初めての手紙だね
日本語読めないと思うけど手紙を書くよ
もうすぐで学校終わって離れちゃうけど、大好きな気持ちは絶対に変わらないよ
２週間後にお互いに国に戻って会えなけど
毎日メッセージとか電話をしようね
あなたに出会えて幸せです
愛してるよ～

[Anonymous No.]

Is Imabi good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19622794
I meet a native Japanese woman every so often for conversation practice and she tells me that when one of her friends など writes her in pure kana, reading it is actually a pain in the ass.

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>>19624916
it contains useful information that does not exist in other resources
unfortunately, that is the highest praise i can give it

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>>19624873
>何も出来ずに
何もできないなら*
出来る is commonly written with kana only, and ずに isn't followed by conditional (ら) to mean "if you can't ~ , then you should ~ .

>頑張ったらいい
頑張った方がいい*
Conditonal is just awkward here because you are trying to express an opinion, and, again, doesn't follow ずに.

You wouldn't know any of this because anime and hentai doesn't explain it. You learn this by speaking to actual Japanese people.

>>19624874
This literally proves nothing as it pertains to handwriting, other than that you are very soon going to be broke.

>>19624877
This loser posts that pathetic crap often?

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>>19624925
Your corrections completely change the meaning of that post.

You don't know Japanese.

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>>19624927
Say what you meant in English, and I will translate it properly. Because that is what I have experience doing. You are a fucking idiot.

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>>19624934
If you think that たら is a conditional here, or that it can't follow ずに, I don't want you interpreting anything. You can go ahead and translate this post into Japanese if you just want to show off though!

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>>19624874
>2

[Anonymous No.]

to think I was being brought down by people like these >>19624873 a year ago when I was merely starting to learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19622280
Thanks Jamal I've learned more from you alone from memes than most of my teachers. I'm going to stop helping people and tell them what they want to hear.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624953
samefagging
deplorable
ず(に)...たらいい is idiomatic

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>>19624937
You have already shown me you are conceited moron who has zero experience with conversational Japanese. Please go back to /h/ and empty your prostate to traps and shota, you probably know enough hiraganis and kangeez to play whatever garbage h-game you started with.

>>19624957
I haven't even replied to you yet, relax.

>>19624938
Expected a 二?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624962
That's cool and all but posturing about being above otaku culture on the otaku culture board doesn't mean you know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624962
>I haven't even replied to you yet, relax.
ok
>>19624925
>>何も出来ずに
>何もできないなら*
congrats you made it bad
>>頑張ったらいい
>頑張った方がいい
these do not mean the same thing and anon wasn't trying to express the latter

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624967
You do not speak Japanese. You have never spoken to a Japanese person. Your understanding of the language is a crippled, rigid mess thanks to genki and anime.

Kill yourself, you don't speak Japanese, and you will NEVER be able to read a newspaper.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

guys shut up

and play https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9rv_cVvUSU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624983
I can read newspapers completely fine. Because I know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624957
>idiomatic
you mean idiotic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19622345
Yea schizo dont make any sense at all. They dont need mental support either since us smart people cant convince them of anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624962
Dude, get a trip please, I thoroughly enjoy your キャラ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624990
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624986
>lying on 4chan
Appreciate the input. A rope is waiting for you somewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19622323
All fields cant be refuted by laymen. You are smart anon.

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes I get into extended bouts where I accuse people of not knowing Japanese even though I genuinely do not know any Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

I know japknees too
Can I join secret club?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625003
Because you can't accept that when you tried to floss and type in your fuckawful >>19624873 "japanese" you couldn't just close the tab and go do something or swallow your misplaced pride and say "Ah, yeah, you're right, I fucked up. My bad."

A person of your character lacks the discipline to learn anything, let alone a language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624998
嘘ついてない。新聞や雑誌記事など何の苦もなく読める。
>>19625012
日本語でおk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624873
>>19624981
>何も出来ずに
wouldn't that have been 何もせずに ? why use the potential form?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19624862
>>19624873
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqgNHa6X4E

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625033
it was part of an assertion that anon is incapable but trying his hardest

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625012
No dude I can't even comprehend the Japanese in that post, let alone type it. I know NOTHING but there have been a couple times where I've gotten into back and forths with people on DJT, accusing them of not knowing Japanese. But it's hard for them to prove that I'm the one who doesn't know any because I can pretend that I'm too stubborn to prove that I know anything, instead of just incompetent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625046
I wish the admins would frame that post and use it as a banner.

[Anonymous No.]

你们真的都是臭白狗。学日本话但皮肤白。回去美国说你的臭语言就行了吧。它妈的!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625054
Ching Chong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625026
You don't need 何の there.

>>19625033
You can't have せず (saying "don't do anything") and then the suggestion to 頑張る(saying to "do something") right after because it sounds awkward.

>>19625046
>>19625053
You are embarrassing your anonymous self.

>>19625054
t'ais toi, espéce de merde chinois

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625081
this: 何の苦もなく is an idiomatic expression dumbass

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625081
>You can't have せず (saying "don't do anything") and then the suggestion to 頑張る(saying to "do something") right after
Yes you can.
>because it sounds awkward.
To you. Because your Japanese sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625088
You already used that one here >>19624957
bud. Your lack of understanding of fundamental grammar can't be excused with "its an idiom/expression."

>>19625096
Thanks for the opinion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625105
https://www.google.com/search?q="何の苦もなく"
this really isn't hard
if you actually have the will to complain about the 何の there you're either really fucking incoherent right now or you just don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

哇白狗真会叫!好可爱啊!

[Anonymous No.]

This schizo is too annoying for me, someone else please start responding to him in honeypot Japanese instead.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625054
說得好小子

>>19625081
我看不起你

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625113
Four out of five examples from your own google search terms show that 何の isn't used, almost as if...like I said in my post (>>19625081
)...you don't...need it there...Huh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625136
you forgot the quotes bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625142
might as well call them goalposts instead of quotes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625128
我的好友

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625152
thankfully they have been fixed in place this entire time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624874
cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625136
You don't need "from your own google search terms" there.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625153
我的忍者

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624166
Nobody even knows English.

[Anonymous No.]

if i want a quick refresher on grammar in english should i go through tae kim or VGJ? i haven't used either of them and i don't want to go back to genki and open up old wounds

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625285
I don't think either one of those teaches English grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625295
yeah that's worded poorly. a refresher on japanese grammar that uses english to explain the pattern meanings

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625316
Any guide will work. You wont learn it without reading Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the first thing that comes to mind when you see this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625339
地獄

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625339
a chihuahua having to carefully choose the right words to get initiated into the wild pack of dog's prison gang.

thanks heisig

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625339
時刻 because I constantly confused the readings of 時刻 and 地獄 for months and the only way I could fix it was to turn them into the same word and recall both readings at once until exposure fixed it.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625339
djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624559
Consider not reading old Japanese then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625352
>to get initiated
Whatever that means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625339
言う

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625339
I think about some wolfs trying to restrain dogs in a PRISON by using words
wow so happy I did rtk this knowledge is so useful

[Anonymous No.]

How to check the total number of cards in an anki deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625386
wolves*

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625394
lift the seat

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625394
By not doing anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625394
Pie charts in Stats

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625412
>>19625421
Epic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624873
僕は日本語がまだ苦手ですけど何TheFuckを読んだばかりなの？

>>19625394
The stats page you get to by clicking the bar graph icon.

[Anonymous No.]

陸睦勢熱陵

Fucking rice seedlings. The stories suck for these so I have trouble remembering them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625406
I don't know english....

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625444
>>19625447
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625452
Yep rtk is improving your English like college and high school Spanish does. I did not know what a sortie was until I did rtk.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625447
>ばかり
Actually would つい読んだ or something like that be better here to express that you just read something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625450
read more japanese and you'll see them and it will help you remember them

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625447
>>19625472
youre just fucked bro but i have nothing but the best wishes for your nihongo career

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625450
>陸睦勢熱陵
Check Koohii for good ideas for these. For example you can make some of these components more memorable.

Dirt+Human legs+Dirt = Goomba.
Dirt+Human legs+Walking legs = Toad
Dirt+Human legs+Dirt+Rotund/fat = Mario

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625447
餌だよ
よく効くから

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625487
Fuck I guess I'll just have to spend 10 minutes writing a post on lang-8 to advance my Japanese since I, for one, am not ashamed that my Japanese is not perfect or even good yet.

>There are people here right now that are afraid to do anything in Japanese out of fear of failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625502
why waste time making shitty totally awkward and incorrect output when you can just input perfectly natural japanese input made by japanese people? are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625515
>Why try to use the language for one of your goals before you've completely mastered the language?

Gee I wonder. Hey maybe you should go slap every 2 year old you see and tell them to do the same thing with the native language they're trying to figure out, I'm sure you'll be the love of the neighborhood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625502
just copy everything from google like the cool kids

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that if you try to write Japanese before knowing Japanese you have crippled yourself for life.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625502
look ill give you the real tip

what you want is short utterances that you know are right that you can play around with while still having them make sense

then you can even string a couple of them together to almost sound coherent

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625534
何だって
そんなもんあるか
いや信じられない
まさかこんな想像できなかった
言う前に考えるべきこと…か

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625531
if your goal is to speak japanese well then you should be inputting to the point where you don't have to ask stupid questions like you're doing here because you'll have heard certain things so many times that you have no doubt about its use. instead you're sitting around in a shitty mud puddle trying to invent your own japanese and probably most likely you are going to make terrible habits that will be hard to break since japanese people won't correct you if they intuit what you mean even if it's incorrect. either way have fun i guess

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625530
何の苦もなくやってのける

>>19625553
i said a couple dude relax youre fuckin drunk

[Anonymous No.]

note that such habits are only hard to break because they're hard to notice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625555
Hey man you're English is pretty shit to be honest, I think you should stop posting until you master it. You're missing capitalization, commas, and everything everywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

yea but there's a difference between learning the correct way to output a language but being lazy, and outputting incorrectly from day 1 and inculcating habits that are hard to break, and were pointless to build in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625557
酔っ払った…この闇の与えられた力に！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624925
Terrible post. The fact that you then argued about being right because you know Japanese is sad. I don't think someone would do this to troll either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625561
i have mastered english. people don't speak in spaces and periods capitalization and commas. i'm having a conversation on an anonymous image board, not writing an essay for school. how's the lang-8 corrections going? are you fluent yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625583
>i have mastered english.
No, you haven't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625530
Yea auto translated visual novels are fine. You dont need to learn Japanese to read loli vns.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625578
dude let us move on from that unpleasant moment i dont wanna cringe anymore

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625589
the post you're responding to has literally nothing to do with machien translation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625588
No one knows any language.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpucfEQ9k8c

[Anonymous No.]

Listen up shmucks, or 童貞 fucks
While playin’ round yo blind-man suck,
Tryin’a bluff all deze niggers ‘round
With your mouth full o’ ザメン smells.
This goy’s in da house to tell you deze
That not one single o’ ya can learn Japanese,
N’ da more you try, more bound to fail
Faster than tryin’ ta get ching-chong tail,
Or scorin’ blows from 2d biatches
Or squirtin’ out your 援助 wishes
Cuz when yo try 交際 yer gonna die
Flip-flappin & gabbin’ yer カナ lies.
Not a single wunna ya fucks ever learns
That moonspeak fuckas takes months to learn,
And the 月s pass without progress
Cuz y’all can’t leave da /jp/ nest
Can’t swim yer own, too 引きこもり
Baskin’ in your own ignorant glory
While Anki’s waiting & cards are stalled,
Too much arguing ‘bout who’s getting blue-balled
Or who knows what, or だれがいい
When all you bitches are just 悪い,
Can’t rhyme, can’t pun, can’t even talk shit,
But whenフェラ’s done – can’t even spit,
Mouth’s too white for enunciation,
Skin’s too white for 日本語-nation,
Hand’s too white from the sensation
Of your dick enacting slick masturbation.
オナニーイズム’s the only choice, ya Fraud,
Cuz Japanese knowledge’s what NONE OF YA GOT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625588
nice opinion. unfortunately you're wrong just like your attempt at making a basic japanese sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625597
i'm upset that your response doesn't actually have to do with how fucked up my post is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625593
Why not? If he is afraid to make a mistake on lang 8. Why wouldn't he just use google translate?

[Anonymous No.]

>you're English

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625609
are you trolling

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625595
Yeah but I shouldn't have to read your post twice just to understand what the fuck you're trying to say if you "mastered" English.

My point stands firm, if you think nobody should attempt to speak before they're fully competent then go tell every kid below 3 to go fuck off. Do I have to speak or write before being competent? No. Can I? Yes, and there's nothing your bitching is going to do to stop me. And let me make this clear: You are bitching.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625598
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7Hh0yhvGCA

>>19625604
why do you think i linked that

it really is like dealing with drunk ppl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625612
>>19625616
In the south that is mastery.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625616
Children generally speak correctly from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625616
it's not my problem if you can't understand english. maybe you could understand it if you inputted more english. it seems like you're making the same mistake with japanese by trying to speak before you understand. you don't need to totally understand the language before you ouput, but you can listen and read for even a thousand hours which will prevent you from making god awful sentences like what you're doing right now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625636
>Children generally speak correctly from the start.
I bet you actually believe this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625636
And they never use anki either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625636
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVLq9IZGl_c

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625638
He thinks we are one person. There is no hope for him. Let him do what he wants.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

think back to your childhood

you know last week

and think about all the words that you read with the wrong pronunciation because in your head theres no one there watching out for you to keep from making foolish mistakes

in japanese as well no one can hear you think

so if youre thinkin wrong youre gonna keep thinkin wrong

but its still possible and maybe even preferrable to have fun with your hentai games and light novellas with your made up japango

[Anonymous No.]

>Many people stop the Core2K/6K deck after reaching 2000 words; partly because the first 2000 words (Core2K) are a lot more common than the rest

Really? I'm at 1500 and all I've learn was nothing but workplace terminology - "学校", "大学", "結婚", "仕事", "子供", "離婚", "自殺"....
I think I still haven't even seen 怖い yet.
If the other 4000 words are even less common than that, would I just be wasting time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625665
No one learns Japanese. But many do know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625665
in japanese no one can hear you scream with the wrong pitch accent

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625638
>>19625654
All I'm hearing from you both right now, honest to God, is:
>I'm so angry and upset right now that someone does something in a way that I don't. Why can't everyone be like me? People shouldn't try things they aren't sure they'll be good at. Oh my God I am so upset that someone is attempting to write Japanese without knowing fully what he is saying and how to say it. Holy shit this is making me so angry. I need to vent my own inabilities out on him because his mistakes are out in the open and at least mine aren't. Oh my fucking God why isn't everyone just like me? You shouldn't fucking talk until you're already really good holy shit fuck fuck. I am so mad right now, fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625675
>離婚
this is the only word here that doesn't belong in the top 2k
possibly 結婚 but that depends on how much your favorite manga talks about getting ripped into kekkon
>怖い
this one does

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625693
The words I mentioned were just my attempt at humor...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625686
You reee real good right there. Now let me ask ya. Do you know Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625675
those are all incredibly common words that you hear every day. the thing is core2k is built from newspapers so the vocabulary is based off what you would read in a newspaper and not a slice of life anime. you're wasting your time learning words out of context, but the words still need to be learned eventually

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625675
trust me youre wasting your time go play with real nihongo instead

and dont come back until the suns gone down

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625725
Eroge all day every day. Before djt was even thought of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625711
I know some, obviously I don't know much as proof by the sentence I put which I admit wasn't good because I'm not afraid and insecure about what I can and can't do in the language unlike you.

Listen, you had a few choices:
A) Help me and correct my sentence, which you had no obligation to do but it WAS an option you had.
B) Ignore my sentence
C) Say my sentence was garbage and call me a retard for it

Picking C was a clear indicator that you house some major insecurities, otherwise you would have felt no need to immediately put someone else down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625737
We are saying your learning method is garbage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625749
Writing is not a learning method, it is a practice method and you might be an idiot for thinking otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625737
I dont want you to learn Japanese. I get called an autist for helping someone. Give up. No one ever learns Japanese even if they know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625764
>Calling someone retarded is helping them
>>19625749
>Calling someone retarded is only saying their learning method is bad

Nice, nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625757
Practice wont help you learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625757
Production is not practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625774
Never called you retarded. You are projecting buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625778
Does writing a sentence spontaneously and magically make you learn new words and grammar structures? Production in itself is nothing but practice.

>>19625775
Tell that to 3 years olds learning their native language. Lots of what your side is saying is utter garbage because it goes against how kids actually figure out their first language and you know it.

>>19625792
see
>>19625515
Even if this wasn't you, which I really don't care if it is, you're intentionally siding with them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625737
this isn't a board to teach you japanese and praise your inability, that's what reddit is for. you did receive some real advice that would help you and that's to listen to and read more japanese before you try to make basic sentences and expressions, because you should not ever have to make so many mistakes in a single sentence. i hope you learn japanese and that your corrections are useful on lang-8 and i'm sorry if you thought i was mad at you. i just want to see you own but you're still just a noob you know?

[Anonymous No.]

You guys are not seriously "learning" Japanese by flipping through premade flashcards with pictures of western people.

[Anonymous No.]

i'm seriously learning japanese by recalling kanji based on stories

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625802
Kids dont practice Japanese. Their otosan reads them books. When they are older they play pokemans. Did you need a teacher to help you play pokemon?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

i dont think anyone thinks they are learning japanese from flash cards

the problem is they arent learning japanese outside of the flashcards so they are reinforcing effectively nothing but a memory game

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625806
I don't think you're mad at me, I think you're just being a dickhead for calling me retarded and generally just putting me down. But hey,
>this isn't a board to teach you Japanese, this is a board to put you down immediately for making any mistake. this isn't leddit haha amirite guyz? gotta bring up leddit whenever someone acts in a way teh general doesnt like huh? gotta hit em with the "u belong in leddit" line at least once for good measure

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625833
Like Steve says they are too afraid to leave the beginner material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625838
jesus dude. i hope you've been listening to natural japanese the entire time you've been posting here otherwise you're not making any progress are you?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625838
people try to holler mess at me all the time dude

but scum gang chew em up ninja i dont fuck witcha

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625858
No he is learning Japanese by consuming English in English media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625858
I live in Japan, I listen to natural Japanese all day.

Here's a life tip for you: Yes, this is not leddit. No, you're not required to help anyone at any time whenever they ask a question. People have the right to ask a question, you have the right to not answer. You also have the right to be a shitstain but having the right doesn't magically make you an ok person still. Nope, being a shitstain means you're a shitstain no matter where you go and no matter what the culture is like. I hope this behavior of yours isn't a pattern in the rest of your life otherwise you're doomed.

Also leddit's Japanese board sucks. Been there done that, what seems like 99% of them still RTK drone as a primary learning material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625869
I think I get it now. Smart people are incapable of learning Japanese. If meme rapping blacks can do it most people can.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625902
this is truly ignorant because most of those "meme rapping blacks" all have japanese connection that facilitated them knowing japanese

anyone can learn japanese but its only those that choose to do so and make that choice continuously every day that do so

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625888
whatever man, you sound like a huge baby who cries the moment anyone doesn't praise your amazing nihongo abilities. good luck learning japanese i hope you become fluent one day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625923
whatever man, you sound like a huge manchild who calls people retarded the moment anyone makes any kind of mistake in their obviously low nihongo abilities. good luck becoming a decent human being one day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625922
No is agree I am a meme rapping black and I know English.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19625939
this is like ugly trans freakshow people who complain that its society that needs to put up with their ugly retarded ass bein in everyones faces and being disruptive when in reality its them literally asking for punishment

apologies to the people who are trans or w/e that just try to live normal and arent cross dressing fetishists running amok while demanding everyone put up with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625975
I wrote something in a foreign language, brought attention to it myself as being blatantly incorrect, and asked if another option was better. I was not "in people's face", it was 2 posts and then obviously I would have stopped as there was nothing else to say. In fact I started googling possible grammar explanations silently under the assumption I would get no help but if I did it would be appreciated.

Then I got a bunch of kids get legitimately upset that someone dared be imperfect and call me a retard.

Was I expecting, DEMANDING, help? Fuck no. Would help have been appreciated? Fuck yeah, but it wasn't necessary.

Does that mean you have to be so black-and-white about it? "Hm... I can either help this person OR I can insult them. Well, I don't really feel like helping so I guess it's option B!" Because apparently it's impossible to ignore a question you don't feel like answering.

There's an obvious difference between asking people to pander me by either praising me or saying nothing, and getting upset when people go out of their way to insult you when it clearly wasn't necessary. I'm sorry you can't understand this difference, I really am. Not sorry for you, of course, but for everyone who has to deal with you.

[Anonymous No.]

dude you're trying way too hard to defend yourself from asshole trolls

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19626018
look at how much of this bullshit you just shoved in my face that i didnt read

[Anonymous No.]

これはペンです

[Anonymous No.]

おれはゲイです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626018
We wouldn't let an uneducated 5th grader teach us calculus either. At least I wouldn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626038
Look how much I don't care and will continue to post in Japanese when I feel like it while knowing full well that it's not good Japanese.

>>19626091
If you take any Japanese on here as "educational" then you're actually stupid. You should never take anything in an learning community as actual Japanese no matter how good or bad the person seems. I'm sorry if you were actually retarded enough to look at my first post, then my second which openly said my first was bad, and thought it was a learning experience for your Japanese.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

maths for fuckin nerds anyway

my 4 function calculator got me this far

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626109
And unless you are programming or something you don't even need that.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19626106
dude youre fuckin free to do whatever you want

but everyone else is free to feel and say whatever they want about it too

dont like it dont act a fool period

[Anonymous No.]

can all you faggots arguing just quit djt and not come back?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

nah dude this is 社会101 for the djt its important

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626135
Then how would we learn Japanese? U new brah?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626135
Reddit might be more your style senpai. They have a Japanese learning reddit too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626168
maybe by arguing about japanese learning techniques instead of arguing about your nihongo-peens

[Matt VS Japan !lBT42DVbbk No.]

Dubs gets a free 30-minute session on Skype with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626194
who the fuck are you?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19626194
how much are u paying tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626182

readthis>>19626174
You will not be missed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626194
Do a live stream I will watch it. You will be paid in views.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19623668
No, manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone upload all Maatts patreon videos to mega

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626324
this honestly. but they're probably just unlisted so copy paste all the URLs to a pastebin or something. post a video of him speaking with natives.

i know there's a mattdrone somewhere here.

[Anonymous No.]

Haven't been here in a while
Anyone still around from the time sakurafag sperged out and copy pasted hundreds of old posts from the archives?
I don't know about you guys but I have successfully learned Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626346
If you think the sakurafag actually had to copy and past old posts... I'm sorry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626324
why do you want to see them? the only videos that are useful from him are the ones showing you how to use epwing dictionaries and making anki cards. everything else is just nonsense like meditation and academic babble about language acquisition that won't help you learn japanese. have you read most of the ajatt website? it has pretty much everything you need in the form of a japanese learning algorithm that you can easily implement

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626359
Surely you're not making the proven mistake of assuming he had a bot do it for him

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626375
No. Anyone with a functional brain could say the bs he was spewing. Sjws don't need to copy paste or use bots either.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19626346
キミの実力

わたしに見せてくれないかな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626388
ワタシハテレビヲタベマス

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

i cant read all katakana dude it looks like a car accident with all those sharp jagged edges

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626388
Considering he said that he doesn't know Japanese. He didn't hide it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626410
Naw man katakana is Japanese. I don't believe you know Japanese. I have lost my faith in you and your guide. I am now going to anki and rtk it up.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

dont self harm even ironically

[Anonymous No.]

rtk has taught me more english than japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626446
Might even do core 10k before I even attempt to read Yotsuba. I want to know Japanese before I read Japanese.
>>19626461
smirk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626467
What the fuck is a sortie?

>>19626461
I would never do that shit again. I have tried it. It was whack as hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626467
Isn't it "water"? Wtf is grains of rice. What is this　水 in rtk語?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626494
Water has 3 strokes, grains of rice has 4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626494
heisig didn't know japanese when he made rtk so there are a lot of mistakes in it. it's all temporary english scaffolding though. it doesn't matter if you overwrite it with japanese later

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626468
Don't attempt it it's not possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626494
Language learning in college and high school is required because it helps improve your native language. This is why they don't care if you learn the target language. My college spanish professor told our class this. Another spanish teacher made and told us to watch spanish tv. There are good teachers in college.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626511
Oh I know because I have tried it and I definitely don't know Japanese. But I can read visual novels and light novels with yomichan and tae kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626382
But
they were the exact same posts

>>19626388
オイオイオイ
オマエまさか、偽物ではなく、真実の、昔の、アノjamalかよ？
いやしかし、疑問だな。このスレのどこにも「爆笑」ないじゃん
こんなjamalしらないぞ？俺

[Anonymous No.]

What is this 米 in rtk語?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626544
http://ziggr.com/heisig/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626420
who are you quoting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626531
If he lurked the board like a good 4channer is supposed to he would know. And he himself said that he was on 4chan before djt was even started. He even said the jp meme of eroge all day everyday. I find it hard to believe you can even copy paste that since you both have to have know it was important and originally 4chan didn't have archives at all. Archives is a relatively new thing in the first place. I think even when djt was on /a/ there weren't any official archives. Which meant the mentally ill anon had to have some knowledge. And was smart enough to know that 4chan had 3rd party archives and find the memes that probably don't exist in 2018. Its just hard for me to believe if he was truly mentally ill and not just trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626544
kanji don't have key words but key words have kanji attached to them. that's why people fuck up their learning by learning kanji -> keyword. it's supposed to be kanji -> japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626554
>I thought that was only for greentext

I did leave jp for awhile for /djt/ threads until they moved them to /int/ and /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626572
>And was smart enough to know that 4chan had 3rd party archives
Wish you said that earlier in your post so I could've stopped reading sooner

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626711
Then him being mentally ill doesn't mater.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624799

My man using a boogie board, surprised they're not more popular with RTK people

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626728
paper > memes

[Anonymous No.]

has anyone seen 箋 like it is on the left? i've only seen it in print like it is on the right

[Anonymous No.]

Is は being pronouced as わ just to fuck with gaijins?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626766

New and traditional form friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>19623692
What was it?
We could be right you know.

[Anonymous No.]

All of these kanji and Japanese people will laugh at you for using them too much.
Fucking riceshit, I'll write 綺麗 if I want to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19623003
Yes, until you meet a character that shits all over the pattern.凸凹 are easy ones, 牽 is fun as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626781
Even if he is right people are so jaded they would believe water is bad if a certain person told them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626346
Yeah, and same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626794
t. butthurt rtkiddie

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624175
人間失格よんだことある？
＊素人には厳しいかも

>>19624873
>この場から通じてないこと多いし、何も出来ずに頑張ったらいい
非流暢者はたまにこう言う
（まじで外国人っぽいっすよ）

[Anonymous No.]

Is eye pronounced like i pronounced like (d)ie pronounced like (d)ye pronounced like (h)igh pronounced like (sh)y just to fuck with gaijins?

It comes from some split of not using one kana for two different sounds, in which the grammar particle remained the same kana despite having the other sound because reasons, or something, google it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626494
As with a lot of the decisions he's made he probably did it that way because it's harder to remember the various versions of "water" that exist, whereas with rice you only need to remember 2 forms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626876
>>19626772

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626766
I stole a koohii story where they include the old component and the new one.

[Anonymous No.]

>自身のHP回復スキルのみ200%まで回復
>HP restoration skill(s) on self only up to 200% hp restores
Is this a proper interpretation? I'm not sure what exactly the のみ is modifying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626967
heals heal 200% hp, but only the self targeted ones

>is this a proper interpretation
nigga you didnt interpret shit, you replaced each word with its english equivalent and arranged them randomly

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19626531
お久しぶりっす

元気そうっすね

だけどキミはもっと練習したほうがいいと思います

爆笑っすね

>>19626822
the only water in your house that is safe to drink is in your toilet

>>19626851
クラシックはよく知らないがこの作品は面白そう

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztiJi2D-TeU

>>19626967
cant you just interpret it normally

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626989
I trust jamal's word about toilet water more than Trump's because Trump is a big meanie patriarch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626967
i suggest you read the japanese and use the skill and see if it does what you thought it did

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626988
thank you, also I'm not black

>>19627008
I still need to use the skill ~600 more times before I can unlock the auto skill

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

if you play a lot of videogames menu shit is going to become real natural real fast

and then you play something like nobunagas ambition and youre just fucked!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627034
We are all from africa brother.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627056
Speak for yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627056
Good point, anon-shisho

[Anonymous No.]

fuck fuck fuck
jamal
fuck fuck jamal
yo jamal

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627085
Even brainlets can be teachers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624700

what deck is that?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627095
whats your issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627106
leave my women alone

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627106
>>19627113
can't compete with women or japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627124
fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626989
アニメ語久しぶりですからそれだけで決定的な評価しないでくだっち！もっと、もっと訓練するから！

と、冗談ぬきの質問だ
お前が読んだ？人間失格
てっきりお前らしいのギャップと思うんでそうじゃなきゃ大がっかりなんだよ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626346
>sakura
Why are you letting him live in your head rent free?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627143
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4pTqpnqodQ#t=20

[Anonymous No.]

>>19626346
I was there, and I still can't speak Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9t8H1fhNTU

Ok, so the Kongo-class were battlecruisers upgraded to fast battleships.
The subs I have for this say, "Kongo-class Battleship II -- A heavy cruiser," when it's labeling her a fast battleship in English onscreen, and calling a battleship a heavy cruiser makes no sense.
Then the subs have Hiei referring to herself as a Heavy Cruiser.
I can't find the words for "fast battleship" or "heavy cruiser" so I can't work this out for myself. What are they saying?

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any major pitfalls of remembering kanji only by the compounds that form words, and not by all of the kun-yomi and on-yomi readings that each individual kanji possesses?

It seems it would be much more efficient to remember kanji by how they interact with each other as one would encounter them, instead of just studying kanji and trying to remember all of their possible readings.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627303
this is what happens when you feed the birds

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627190
I dunno man, because his crusade was memorable?

>>19627210
Oh no
Are you actually implying I spoke broken Japanese there after you hit me with the quadruple katagoto deluxe
Sorry jamal but I'll need you to either step it up or step down
このスレ見る限りほとんど日本語でしゃべらないなお前
昔はあんな立派な日本語マスターだったのに今ならそいつがただの初心者の誤解だったみたいって気がしてくる

オマエのすべてでかかってこいや

>>19627219
Should've read your daily muramasa man

>>19627326
There'll come a time where you'll feel like you don't actually know the kanji you know and should start from the beginning, but that'll pass after some more compelling content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627326
>Are there any major pitfalls of remembering kanji only by the compounds that form words, and not by all of the kun-yomi and on-yomi readings that each individual kanji possesses?
No...
>It seems it would be much more efficient to remember kanji by how they interact with each other as one would encounter them, instead of just studying kanji and trying to remember all of their possible readings.
It certainly seems that way for me too!

Who told you that remembering kanji readings was a good idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627326
first of all what do you mean by remembering kanji? if you want to read kanji just learn them as they appear naturally in words. don't worry about that kun on yomi nonsense just read the words and your brain will sort it out for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627326
>It seems it would be much more efficient to remember kanji by how they interact with each other as one would encounter them
Nope, that'll be trivial once you actually know the kanji. They won't stick for shit beyond the most basic and distinctive ones if you just try to learn them through vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

When you guys are cranking Core Anki, do you make notes of the words you're learning or do you just go over it a few times in your head? I tried anki a while back but nothing seemed to be sticking very much

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627385
>I tried anki a while back but nothing seemed to be sticking very much
This was my experience too, so I just gave up and started treating it as exposition, for the most part. I only hit "again" when the word feels particularly important, and "hard" every other time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627404
>exposition
You mean exposure? Like, to new words and Kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627404
Using the hard button permanently cripples your learning process

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627343
Oh please, I'm not asking to translate the whole thing, I just have a translation that doesn't seem to make sense.
I've gone through looking for other references but they only seem to be written in kanji, and I can't read.

Battleship Kongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627420
Heavy Cruiser Takao

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627420
the girls are naval battle ships

do you know what show youre watching lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627409
Yes.
>>19627412
Some words I just wouldn't stay in my head even after relearning them 20 times, so whatever. I think most of my permanent gains come from reading anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625450
Lol you should have already made a habit of switching most of his autistic primitive naming by now. I chose golem(s) for that one. Golems being creatures that are made from the ground and able to walk around. The extra soil would be the plural form golems since the more dirt/ground you have the more golems you can make. If the primitive naming is good keep it, if not make up your own. You're not forced to use only his made up words. ussop(pre,post, and 3yr post,hancock,saitama,goku,spiderman,subaru are a few anime char namings I brought out of my ass and man do they stick. Never miss a single kanji with them in it. I took a page from this guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sspUdoV9Il0 and its been working like a charm. Your almost done, keep at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627420
She's a ship for big war.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627432
I'm not hearing "senkan" twice in the first line of >>19627303
So he doesn't seem to be saying, "A Kongo-class battleship/A battleship"

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/wsg/2327205
Toxic reddit trash discouraging people from sharing content.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627464
no but if youre working on this show you should know whats being said because you should be hearing that type of thing everywhere

anyway just use this site bro most of the works already been done for you

the rest is up to you

http://seesaawiki.jp/aokihagane/d/%cc%b8%a4%ce%b4%cf%c2%e2%b0%ec%cd%f7

god bless fansubbers or whatever ur doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627448
This. A mistake I made was not associating certain components with memorable figures. For example I'm almost done with RTK and I've kept "taskmaster" pretty generic (basically just loosely visualizing some dark figure with a whip, but this image is fluid and changes), but recently I've pictured taskmaster as Yoda in my stories and they stick better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627488
I'm not translating it. I can pick up maybe two words in 100 which can sometimes clue me in that a sub is completely wrong, which sends me off looking for a better translation. Then I have to try to work it out only knowing two words in 100.
So the original translation is, "A Kongo-class battleship II -- a heavy cruiser." This:
http://aokihagane.wikia.com/wiki/Hiei
Is calling her a Kongo II class. Is it just supposed to be, "A Kongo II class -- a battleship"?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627592
why do people try to do this

btw fast battle ship and heavy cruiser are actually the same thing just like in english though the latter sounds better

like im not even sure what your issue is in the first place besides that you are seemingly admittedly swinging around in the dark for something that isnt there

[Anonymous No.]

Ok, so fast battleship is apparently 高速戦艦, which they're not saying. So I'll just put in battleship.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627661
you should not be translating

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

theres nothing that grinds my gears more than someone fucking up naval vehicle terms in my anime all willy nilly

id actually like to meet that western otaku whod throw a fit about that honestly

japanese otaku would actually kill you tho if it was all going the other way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627660
Fast battleship is above a battlecruiser which is above a heavy cruiser. Haruna is 27k tons as a battlecruiser, 32k tons as a fast battleship, and Takao is 9.8k tons. Calling a fast battleship a heavy cruiser isn't even close to right.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627722
yessss

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627347
mfw he really did step down

is jamal a pushover?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627759
So do you see how the translation of, "Kongo-class battleship II -- a heavy cruiser" and having Hiei call herself a heavy cruiser when every other Kongo-class is referred to as a battleship/fast battleship is jarring when reading these subs?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627768
what am i supposed to do with that guy

>>19627773
but you have the kanjis right there on the screen that tell you what they are

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627785
I CANT READ OR TYPE KANJI.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627797
well theres no problem i see with 重巡戦艦 or 大戦艦 with the subs in the images

so whats your issue

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627797
https://translate.google.com/#ja/en/
Click the pencil and draw them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627592
> which sends me off looking for a better translation

The proper response is to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627822
They're not saying 重巡戦艦 for Hiei, now are they?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9t8H1fhNTU

Yet my subs say "Heavy Cruiser" when they're saying dai senkan, and I don't know what dai senkan means when battleship seems to just be senkan. Is it fast battleship?

[Anonymous No.]

Howdy y'all. Haven't been here all week. Did ya learn Japanese yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627347
Were you an impressionable 12 year old when you first came to /djt/ or what? jamal is perhaps the least likeable all bark no bite cunt I've came across on this site and maybe even real life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627851
nope, just here to have fun until i learn it next month.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627851
はい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627848
big senkan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627848
*ok, apparently it's "great battleship."
I'll just call it battleship.
Even though they're saying dai senkan I'll translate the first as fast battleship to match the label onscreen which says fas-, and they just have Hiei call herself Battleship Hiei.

[Anonymous No.]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/ArpeggioOfBlueSteel
And then in the series I guess I have to look out for Nagara being called a battleship instead of a light cruiser.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627848
i recommend just leaving 大戦艦 as battleship because i think the idea still comes through in english through context

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19627865
why do you wanna instigate me beating up a retard

you prolly forgot but in a time not so long ago folks like those used to be considered the intermediates of djt

its hard to remember because of the way things are now but lol

[Anonymous No.]

you can't even beat your own meat gramps

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

i can just nothing happens

[Anonymous No.]

do you watch anime with japanese subtitles?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

no i download untouched .ts from the telly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627959
I would, but the japanese sub repos are full of subs for pop trash which came out recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627933
Most people who learned Japanese have graduated djt and use 2ch or its equivalents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627959
Using Japanese subtitles permanently cripples your listening ability

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628007
Ahahaha. No.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19627851
I might learn it eventually. I am optimistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628013
Listening permanently cripples your reading ability. I have experienced it first hand.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628028
Reading without core and anki has also fucked up my reading and listening. The struggle is real.

[Anonymous No.]

writing without genkouyoushi will permanently cripple your handwriting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628045
Playing pokemon has ruined my ability to play Call of duty. In Japanese of course.

[Anonymous No.]

Retaining vocab/recognizing kanji will take much longer without RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628053
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

rtk will take much longer without reading japanese for hundreds of hours beforehand

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628058
When I started learning, I quicky learned kana and read through Tae Kim in a week for basics of how the langauge works and jumped straight into a visual novel. And I can tell you all kanji for a beginner look the same. Like even seeing the difference between 大-犬-太 is super hard and actual similar looking ones like 網-綱 or 線-綿 etc is virtually impossible. So you have to draw them cause you don't know what they mean every time. Which is also funny, cause if I see new kanji nowadays and can't guess the reading, I quicky memorize what components it has and draw it in google translate in 5 seconds, but when you are new you are gonna alt-tab back and forth between game window and google translate for every stroke and it takes like 2 minutes to even draw kanji and by that time the whole "context" of what the kek are you ever reading is out the window. And if you only had to draw all of them once it would be nice but the reality is that the next day you'll forget the once you've already looked up anyways. So here's a true story and one example. I did just try to power through and persist with reading for a bit over a month. During that month I saw word 確認, which is super common word so no wonder, like 8 times and each time I just saw it it new context, my brain would go "fuck, I should know this, I already looked it up...can't remember....draw it again -> get mad that couldn't remember -> draw it like 10 times by hand -> 2 days later, can't remember it again, repeat cycle!" And to the point where I was about to quit learning the langauge. So if you are not interested in stuff with furigana, and I'm not (I'd rather shoot myself then read manga or NHK easy), recognition is a crazy issue for a beginner. It's hard to sympathize when you are already literate, cause it seems like you can tell everything just from context, like how do you tell the difference between 湛える and 堪える? literate person will say, it doesn't matter, you'll read the 傷の痛さを湛える even with wrong kanji cause you won't even look at it, you'll just read through but that's not true for anyone who's not literate yet so you need to put yourself in their position.

>>19628066
RTK takes about the same amount of time regardless if you're competent in the language. Recognizing the kanji won't do much for your ability to write.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628080
n=1

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628080
watching 10000 hours of anime pretty much solves all the issues you brought up

[Anonymous No.]

so jamal is behind the 10000 hours of anime meme? wow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628096
>>19628099
comprehension bro. try it.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

just watch all of one piece dude

thats like half of the 10000 right there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628107
your ass will feel like 10000 by the time i'm done with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628080
I've seen this pasta before.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628222
go for it dude my ass is waiting

[Anonymous No.]

Who the FUCK is this retarded tripfag. Why isn't he banned holy fucking shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628222
He would like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628223
Reddit right?
>>19628247
You know he could be anonymous too? Are you the tripfag?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628232
okay, pants down

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628080
>>19628223
>>/jp/?task=search&ghost=&search_text=When+I+started+learning%2C+I+quicky+learned
uh-oh...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628247
I remember being this new a few months ago.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628272
pants? i dont wear those

but conceptually speaking im way ahead of you on that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628280
I know right? How new does one have to be to not know about each and every fucking trashcan tripfag who just started using their trip like one day ago?

Fucking mouthbreather.

[Anonymous No.]

脳力！！！！！！
おーおおおおおおお　ああああーえーあーあーいーあーうーじぉおおおおおおおおおお　ああえーおーあーあーうーうーあー　えーえええーええーえええ　ああああえーあーえーいーえーあー　じょーおおおーおおーおおーおお　ええええおーあーあああーああああ

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

look at this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628304
No, I mean, he literally writes 80% of the posts in each and every /djt/ thread. You need to be absolutely retarded to not recognize his posts at a glance.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628337
i only posted with the trip this thread and i think it comes out to like less than 15% so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628334
I can read that. Do i know japanese?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628344
perhaps!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628334
delete that shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628337
That does not make sense. Even with a 4chan pass which he doesn't have there would still be cool down timers for him to deal with.

[Anonymous No.]

>reading practice is more fun than listening practice because progress comes faster
>don't want to read too much ahead of listening and fuck my listening and pronunciation
>only read 1 hour a day and listen 4 hours a day
Fuck my life.

[Anonymous No.]

I swear to god, words like 出発 are literally fucking killing me. The reading isn't even fucking accurate, what the fuck?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628355
maybe dont worry about such things and just have fuckin fun bro

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpjnQmjVHI

[Anonymous No.]

If you're not Japanese, your abilities are permanently crippled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628355
how would listening matter much unless you plan on talking in japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628337
Well the fucking retard you're talking about has only been here for 4-5months top. I didn't go through the whole thread so I couldn't tell he was that guy.
Time to filter, hope he never drops this trip. God I seriously wish some people would fucking die already, this person is the worst waste of oxygen I know of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628304
Honestly, having him tripfag is pretty nice, because I can immediately see who posted it and know that there is a 90% chance that it's just trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628370
You are talking and agreeing with yourself. You aren't fooling anyone but yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628342
apparently it's 12.03%, guess I ain't that good with numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628389

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628337
He probably accounts for like 10% of the all posts but if you factor in the shitposting he encourages he accounts for probably like 25% or more of the posts here and 75% of the shitposting*.


*numbers are completely made up but those are my guesses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628396
>relative time
>stock 4chanx separator with the shitty fade
>the classic scrot frame on the top and left edges
無様

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628370
dont worry it was just a one thread only test run

i usually only break out the trip for a lil extra oomph on some retarded thing i think is funny or epic

>>19628396
whys your 4chan look fuck tarded

>>19628398
i wish there was some stats on the # of people whose nihongo careers i saved because thats what its all about at the end of the day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628396
cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628410
Took you 4 minutes to do it. Took him 1 minute to post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628410
>>19628396
And this is offtopic anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628409
>i wish there was some stats on the # of people whose nihongo careers i saved because thats what its all about at the end of the day
Probably 0, because no one who browses djt actually learns Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck all those shit words where the reading of one Kanji ends in つ and you have to cancel the fucking tsu out and turn it "small" in a compound and make it into a double consonant instead like in shit words like 実施。

Literally have 71% retention because of these words. Fucking fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628416
I am reading japanese light novels while listening to animes. I don't live on 4chan. And his pic is clearly tampered with. That isn't an normal 4chan skin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628408
>>relative time
>>stock 4chanx separator with the shitty fade
Absolutely nothing wrong with those
>>the classic scrot frame on the top and left edges
Yeah that's awful but I couldn't really be arsed to manually crop the screenshot. The point was posting as fast as I could to prove that I wasn't samefagging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628396
>>19628416
and mine actually has times and dates. his pic doesn't say shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628408
The fade would look nicer if it were from left to right

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628420
probably fuckin 0 cause even pointed the right way they still gotta do it and make it happen

but ill still keep believin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GB9CGFaUmU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628424
Maybe you are a comedian? You should try to be a gymnast. You are a natural at mental gymnastics.

[Tripping is easy. No.]

This guy is a loser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628439
What are you even on about holy shit.

[Tripping is easy. No.]

>>19628446
Look at him he is a natural. A pro.

[Not that same trip No.]

>>19628446
Look up what mental gymnastics mean.

[trippin aint easy No.]

welcome to my funhouse

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628444
>>19628449
>>19628453
>>19628455
None of you are tripfagging you fucking newfags

[it is hard to trip No.]

Even you are jamal. I won't fall for it. Not again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19624927
>>19624937

>>19624925 is almost right and the poster he quoted got some glaring mistakes that are so embarrassing. You are the one who knows nothing but trying hard to look smart. Go read a fucking book and listen to how an actual living Japanese talks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628422
You should be able to figure it out by intuition most of the time. It's じっし because that rolls off the tongue better than じつし.

[name faggin is different than (...) No.]

>>19628462
What is the difference? jamal senpai

[how do i input the trip fag pa(...) No.]

nt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628471
Seriously? To trip, you need to use a tripcode. Else you're just namefagging. That's why after jamal's name there is the !K/1sx/RVXY, which is a tripcode that is generated from a secret phrase that jamal is using to provide assurance that this is the same jamal as in the past, so you can't just namefag as him.

[Anonymous No.]

I have seen a lot of time the construction noun+the particule め, does anyone here knows what it is supposed to mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628465
If you think his correction is "almost right" your opinion is not needed.
Correcting the phrase to fit grammar that you learned in Genki doesn't mean your correction is good, you gotta preserve the intended meaning of the original phrase instead of completely changing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628486
jamal never tripped before this one thread. I only knew about him because people said jamal's guide was bad and to follow in nukemarine's guide. Which let me know right away jamal's guide would be better.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you tell which reading　股　Uses?

[Anonymous No.]

Test

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628488
Maybe adjectives or pronouns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628496
context it is used in

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628496
you cant japanese is just bogus

[rtfm !OiTLuDdRbI No.]

>>19628499
Test

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628501
What exactly are the differences though?

[rtfm !OiTLuDdRbI No.]

>>19628505
Fun fact: If you use the password 'password' for your tripcode, it says that you're banned for CP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628508
If you a reading something and the word you are confused about is at a dinner table. It will probably be food related in some way.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628513
nice self own sicko

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628437
even just the life lessons of learning japanese is worth it. If I learn Japanese that is a huge bonus.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628523
congratulations on the most woke post of the thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628500
For example i have just seen (in tsugumomo) 化け物め

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628539
its called the insulting suffix

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit get a trip so I can filter you

[Anonymous No.]

what are you reading djt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628563
then he would just post anonymously since you are letting him know that it effects you. don't fall for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628578
You too, get a trip.

[trip No.]

>>19628580
got one you happy.

[how do i input the trip fag pa(...) No.]

>>19628476

[Anonymous No.]

Filtered

[different person No.]

>>19628590
so?

[same person No.]

>>19628590
so? how is one puny filter gonna stop a troll or normal person?

[Anonymous No.]

I've filtered out all namefags in case you're trying to be cute. There hasn't been a good one on this site in about 4 years anyhow

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

filter this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628496

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

How? And you responded so you obviously didn't.
And no one on djt trips or namefags much anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Web 2.0 babby detected

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628613
I am offended pigs are actually very hygienic animals. Pigs being dirty is a meme from jews or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628496
It's usually また except in ふともも.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628621
id eat off the floor of a pigpen before i ate off the floor of the subway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628607
I don't get it. Can you give me a rundown?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628630
I don't get it either, but one day I will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628633
But I've done core 10k and read newspapers. Why isn't that helping me read chinese comics for adolescents?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628633
>>19628630
>>19628642
And I'm high IQ which means I am smart. I can't understand anime either because I want to be able to watch it raw it so I can enjoy a new show without relying on english subs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628630
>400+ reviews a day for a year
>still hasn't put anki's ui language to jap yet
>probably doing fucking core

[Anonymous No.]

What are the must read classics of Japanese literature that every educated adult knows?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
The Bible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
why don't you ask a japanese person?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628761
naurto

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
Also yugiou

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
Sword art online

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPz7LCybSNk
djt theme when noobs think we aint keepin it 100

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
Haruhi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
Just about any Anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
Full metal panic

[rtfm !OiTLuDdRbI No.]

>>19628761
ボタン　and こころ and 吾輩は猫である by 夏目 漱石

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
They don't read classic japanese literature just like how most of us don't read classic western literature.

[rtfm !OiTLuDdRbI No.]

>>19628949
坊っちゃん　not ボタン

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
An american would probably say 1984 or the great gatsby.

[Anonymous No.]

japanese people should read good literature like Youkai Banchou.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628761

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

animorphs

too lazy to link post and find image

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628761
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628979
>harry potato

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19628964
amerifats would say whats literature and then when you explain its stuff written on pages that are put together to form a book they would say they dont read those and then check instagram on their phone while youre still talking to them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628994
Even the japanese don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19625502

[Anonymous No.]

>>19628995
youtube should minimalize that but they watch e-celebs and cirlcle jerks like mgtow,incel,red pill and other nonsense.

[Anonymous No.]

better than leftist denialist nonsense desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629007
No difference. What is the difference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629007
This is what they argue about.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

dang god really turned the lip slider all the way to max on poor old james there lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629027
he needs it tradcucks have been complaining about the same shit since the bible days. There is nothing new under the sun. I knew this as a ten year old.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

he looks like fuckin mr popo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629042
And he is still happily married to an okay japanese women. I doubt he even knows Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Im gonna start posting this on fit.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19629048
i hope they are still alive and together and having epic old people sex with their decrepit genitals to be completely honest

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629060
I would be happy with three years desu. i've lost contact with cool friends in less time than that.

[Anonymous No.]

I just woke up but I have some life advice if you ever want to actually fuck up the thread just identify the person most full of themselves and respond to them in subtly-broken but hard-to-correct Japanese.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19629068
if you think someones cool dont be a stranger then

>>19629075
you got some more for me i love reading fuckin incoherent aids shit

[Anonymous No.]

A beginner would be full of himself by default desu and an easy target. Make sure you agree with him and say you did rtk and core.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629083
Yea. I've contacted people I wanted to. I went from over 500 facebook 'friends' to 70 people I would like to talk to and meetup with.

[Anonymous No.]

And ten friends that I can text and call with my 'smart'phone.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19629095
people would make fun of you for facebook and your friends number and call you a normie or some shit but not me

i hope you blossom and maintain some really soulfully enriching relationships

[Anonymous No.]

Any 日本語天才 have advice for using AGTH? I'm trying to launch it with Steins;Gate 0, but it doesn't work right, whether I change the target in the Game.exe, launcher.exe or launcher.dat shortcut.

Using windows 10.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629110
I'd rather have deep relationships than shallow acquaintances. Male or Female.

>>19629110
yea one of my asian acquaintances was surprised by my 500 count since I do seem introverted. Everybody is an omnivert.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629083
いやあ、あんなの作り方はちょっと…

まあ、とりあえずあなたならひどい目に遭うかも、遠慮する

Up to you to decide if this one is supposed to be broken or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629117
agth has been outdated for years

also windows 10 fucks with any software that uses software breakpoints because of DEP (data execution prevention)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629124
What are you all using now then? All I want is the text hooked, I don't want auto translation or dictionary lookup, though the latter might be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629130
ithvnr and a browser clipboard grabber so you can use your dictionary of choice

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629117
Some vns won't work. We aren't tech experts so you should just try another one.

[Anonymous No.]

I am still friends from people I met in elementary school through college. And I still don't have too much romantic experience but I never tried because of memes.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19629117
you cant hack your way to the gate on this one bucko

>>19629119
とどめ刺すなら早く刺せよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629132
Thanks Anon. I had problems running it before, but I found something useful on a support forum.

To anyone else for whom ITHVNR won't load:
#1.Copy C_932.NLS from this location
C:\Windows\System32

#2. Paste to this location
C:\Windows\SysWOW64\

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629160
if you have this problem then you need to install the right 32-bit version of the right visual c++ redistributable

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629133
he should try g. They would love to help him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629180
>>19629162
what have I done wrong lads

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629204
change the type of text or something. when i hook a vn I have to change it to glyph thingy. There is a guide in the op. Read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629117
No, because a 日本語天才 would just actually read the game.

[Anonymous No.]

Ha ha learning Japanese sure is worth it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629254
Those are some nice paizurers. What game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629254
Is that Chinese bro I can't understand shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629254
Looks vanilla, おちんちんでさえ貼り付けなかった？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629254
It might be korean. Any nihonbros can take a crack at the question?

[Anonymous No.]

行っていました

how do you know what version of 行 it is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629392
Context.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is Jisho usually considered bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629461
Says who? It's no more than an average dictionary to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629461
autism. it's fine for getting you to the j-j stage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629461
Who says bad?

[Anonymous No.]

Why is learning japanese considered bad?

[Anonymous No.]

「知恵コインがあれば回答者に沢山お礼が出来るます。」What the fuck is デキルマス？

[Anonymous No.]

Kino and Hermes enter a new country and immediately see mountains of trash everywhere, people living in the streets, and dogs looking for scraps of food. Hermes immediately says this:
>「この町にして、この人間ありだね、キノ。いや、逆かな」
How does にして... あり function? I'm assuming it's part of the same grammar construction, but I'm having a difficult time finding anything like that on google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629635
My understanding, by the way, was something like "cities become like this because of their people. No, maybe it's the reverse." I feel like I'm off though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629635
にして、= for (にしては)
あり = acceptable

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629809
So it's more like "for a town like this, this kind of townspeople are acceptable. no, maybe it's the reverse"? Thanks. I ought to be better at looking up short kana words, I didn't even realize あり could mean that.

[Anonymous No.]

A bit over 1 day left of FL on AB 友よs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629848
thanks. they got any good ホモゲー on there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629891
Haven't checked but probably not

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629635
>>19629822
Maybe you should look this up first. Might make more sense to you.
>この親にしてこの子あり

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629924
Oh. I withdraw my post. >>19629809

[Anonymous No.]

Um, when was I supposed to learn how to say this?

I did the DJT Kana quiz thing for like 200 in a row I thought I felt pretty solid in the kana characters but I instantly don't know how to pronounce whatever these lines are.

Looks like ni and tsu but then they give fu ta tsu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629959
Since you are counting things it changes to ふたつ ni is for numbers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630003
so that is like 2 of something

ni is just saying the word 2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630009
Yes, it's like 2 of something. The Japanese language have a various system how to count certain things such as items, food, people, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629959
ニ and 二 are two different things

[Anonymous No.]

How do I stop quitting djt? This is like my seventh time coming back. Do I just lack the willpower to continue studying every day? How do you guys do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19629959
First character is not the katakana ニ, it is the kanji 二 which can rarely take on the reading ふた even though it is normally pronounced に as well.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm sick of anki. I'm sick of almost always failing a card once it gets to ~20 days stage of maturity. I'm sick of it, nothing sticks, and even those that sticks feel alien when they appear on a different context and I have to make sure I read it correctly.

I'm just going to open up a book, be armed with a japanese dictionary app in my hand, and look up anything that confuses me. I remember enough that I only need to look up like 5-6 times every LN page, my grammar is still shoddy, but fuck it, I'm tired of anki. I'm tired of seeing that "mature cards lost" graph, I'm sick of adding new cards, I have had enough of all of this. 10 months of anki is enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630043
>I remember enough that I only need to look up like 5-6 times every LN page
you should have quit anki a long time ago

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630029
三 and 三 are also two different things

[Anonymous No.]

話を聞かないのがきた
What does the last part of the sentence , のがきた, mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630043
Maybe because you rely on Anki to be your only source of learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630052
話を聞かない[の][が][きた]
...トオモイマス

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630047
>>19630036
>>19630029
>>19630020
yea thats really weird, especially since I didn't see any of these characters so far

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630054
What other sources of learning are there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630066
It's not highly common. You'd only see/hear that word in a handful of Anime and maybe in Japan.

>>19630075
There's a ton, so you have to be more specific what you want to stick and maybe I can help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630033
Don't "study" for starters. Do what you find the most fun in Japanese. Admittedly it is painful but the pain is slowly but surely replaced with fun as you improve.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630062
I could figure that much at least, but I don't understand what is being said. The context is that someone she didn't like was standing next to this girls friend, so she greeted the friend in a cheerful manner before realizing he was there, when she realized he was she said 話を聞かないのがきた. Is の a substitute for the person she doesn't like, and she essentially said " A person who doesn't listen to (this) talk has come"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630083
it was just the very second card I had, so I was worried I set it up wrong or something. They're very hard too, some of them are intuitive like yon, yotsu, ok. Then there's go and itsutsu.. what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630100
Japanese counting be like that sometimes

You just have to memorize them.

[Anonymous No.]

So are balloon snakes counted in 枚 or 本?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630100
Go does not exist for counting.

[Anonymous No.]

i saw DV being used in an eroge, is that referring to domestic violence? specifically talking about a "DV man"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630142

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630149
Gay Eroge?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630100
english has things like this too. it's not so weird
>one, once, first, solo
>two, twice, second, duo

[Anonymous No.]

what's that video where steve kaufmann talks about how you don't need to stress yourself over remembering words as you come across them, rather every time you encounter a word it increases a little XP bar for that word. you might not remember it, and if you do remember it, you might not fully understand all its nuances. but over time, all sorts of words start reaching XP levels where you find yourself understanding a lot more than you did before.

in other words don't worry about anki and core decks, just read more. but seriously which video was it?

[Anonymous No.]

Good meeowning everyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630218
i think anki does a good job of making it so you don't worry too much about remembering every word. after all, it suspends difficult words by default. this advice seems more directed toward people who were studying with more manual methods

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630218
interested in this
also, how do you view the XP bars for each word you encounter?

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19630237
good me owning you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630248
You go into the menu, select journal, then words, then select the word, and it'll show your usage number and as you see it more, it'll reveal more details.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630352
Wait, I thought the "little XP bar" was a metaphorical thing, but Steve Kaufmann actually talked about an actual program?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630115
It depends on if they are blown up or not. 枚 is for deflated and 本 is for inflated.

https://youtu.be/mgAfflqWQfA?t=419
Watch this to understand counters. It is from Nihonjin no Shiranai Nihongo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630352
is there an English setting? the menu is all in Japanese, and fuck if I can read them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630218
I don’t even understand how English works. You can remember and know a word you hardly ever see just like that in a flash. There are so many complex words you learn once and then just know. It’s so weird. I have no idea how word memory works. Other languages including Japanese should follow the sameness guidelines, so this is how natives feel too? I do wonder. Language is a mysterious thing. Like how it’s possible to know it well by ear but not by tongue or reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630246
Anki is a waste of time you dumbass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630371
it is metaphorical u dunce

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630425
Where can I download this 'metaphorical' app?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630415
okay i believe you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630415
What's 'touche' in Japanese, in the sense of appreciating a good comeback?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630460
looking forward to the responses to this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630460
だいよね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630460
一本取られた

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best OCR program for Japanese? Mine keeps mixing the kanji up with alphabet letters

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630522
Have you tried KanjiTomo and its zoom function?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630529
Thanks! I'll try that out!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630460
べーべつになんでもない！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630538
turns out tsunderes are just really appreciative of wit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630529
Thanks anon! It works much better!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630522
OCR will permanently cripple your ability to recognize characters yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630592
Nah. If I keep seeing the same set of characters over and over again, I remember it even without wanting to.

[Anonymous No.]

Aim to have 10 hours of unaided reading for every 10 minutes of OCR. That way, you'll minimize the permanent crippling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630592
>>19630600
I don’t know. Even looking up things in the dictionary feels crippling. Like I’ve memorised the meaning at the moment, so I don’t actually read it. It makes it feel difficult to reread things for this reason.

[Anonymous No.]

if you try to learn nihongo without adult supervision you will permanently cripple yourself

[Anonymous No.]

Like literally losing your limbs from learning the wrong Japanese

this shit ain't for play

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630405
You know it though. This is steve 101.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630638
Playing pokemon in english permanently messed up playing call of duty in Japanese. I was easily able to learn the word water. Because I learned about water in pokemon and saw it in call of duty. Now when I see the word water in a book I won't know it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630638
can confirm, i learned japanese to play visual novels like a patrician and now my dick doesn't get hard for my girlfriend anymore so she bangs other dudes, but she's on the pill so its ok. i'm basically cheating on her anyways with my waifus so it evens out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630650
>Now when I see the word water in a book I won't know it.
Water is 'air', dude. Or vesi. how do you 知らない this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630658
I can't sleep at night without a mentor instructing me every night. And sometimes my mentor isn't a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630684
male mentor, or 'mantor'

[Anonymous No.]

do you guys really fear thinking something because it might be hard to unthink later? do you really have that little control of your own minds? as for me, I just memorize a little disclaimer when I'm not 100% certain

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630700
It sucks but if I don't do it I will permanently fuck up sleep for the rest of my life. It could be 1000 years if they cure death.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630712
Nobody believes that not even the people who say that bs. Its a religion to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630712
I'm mostly never certain about anything, I think.

[Anonymous No.]

How would you convey this sense of confusion based on nothing but endless repetition of simple sentences?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630730
ははははは

[Anonymous No.]

You guys remember ankidrone e-bragging?

[Anonymous No.]

>窓
>協
>寧
>準
Come on, Chinamen, you can do better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630773
What are your stats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630777
Not so good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630773
>you can do better
Can they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630785
all those english will permanently maim you and completely annihilate your japanese, leading to an everlasting wreck and...perdurable decrepitude

[Anonymous No.]

If you ever learn even one word of English, your Japanese is permanently crippled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630825
...Are you just showing off your English vocabulary?

[Anonymous No.]

turns out it's not only my japanese that's permanently crippled, but also my sense of when it's okay to use the english thesaurus

english: not even once

[Anonymous No.]

you all joke but there is no better explanation for why otherwise fluent and well-read non-natives can still make basic grammar mistakes than reading shitty grammar guides

[Anonymous No.]

I condensed all of TK's conjugation and usage summary boxes into a single HTML file because I found that these are really all I ever wanted or needed when using his shit as a reference. It should save me some clicks in the future. Maybe somebody else will profit by my grunt work.

https://hastebin.com/fokuhosequ.xml

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630913
Fluent non-natives don't read shitty grammar guides made by and for foreigners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630924
https://jsfiddle.net/t0Lknuqb/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630924
Hang on, none of these helps me japanese whatsoever!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630949
>>19630943

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630939
they drill misleading grammar rules early in their studies before they can understand why what they're reading is wrong. Then they're stuck permanently crippled, unable to output even basic grammar correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630952
お前はできない子だね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630958
If you want to cripple your Japanese permanently then by all means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630964
そんな事ないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630939
So TaeKim is bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630978
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630952
You have no idea what you're talking about.
In the beginning, even if the guide is perfect, you'll misunderstand at least 30% of it.
Every normal language learner upon reaching the stage where they can read non-literary text in the target language relatively easily starts re-learning the grammar from the beginning, but this time using books written by natives (and maybe even for natives).
Not to mention that true understanding of grammar comes only from input, so even if there are any mistakes in the shitty guide you used as a beginner, reading and listening will fix most of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630913
They haven't been able to model a correct usage or haven't care enough to because they're already understood anyway.

>>19630978
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19630978
Obviously bad for intermediate learners, but good for beginners like (You).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631020
Not him, please define Intermediate learners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631026
Can read the front page of a Japanese newspaper without looking up anything more than 10 times

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631039
I can do that and I'm beginner according to everything I use to check my level, including ((LingQ)). I think you might need to check your definitions or else change when you think grammar guides are suddenly bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631026
The guy who replied wasn't me.

I'd say, it's when you no longer associate Japanese grammar with the grammar of your own native language and simply understand it, feel it. The words in vocabulary at that point also detach from the long lists of possible translations and become ideas, although you may still use them wrong or not know what verbs go with a particular noun; it's okay, you're only "intermediate", not "advanced".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631049
I guess this is an ok definition. I disagree with it but applying it back to your first post I can agree that TK is bad at that point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631011
If you drill misleading grammar and reinforce it thousands of times in the input stage it's going to be impossible to fix. There's a difference between not understanding something and incorrectly thinking you do understand, having memorized it. People who learn languages through mass input without grammar study never confuse simple grammar patterns because they don't cripple their L2 in this way.

>>19631012
Nobody is going to publish a work that they know contains basic grammatical errors so clearly they do care, they just can't fix their unconscious misunderstanding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631062
name one thing that is impossible to fix if you learn it wrong initially

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631097
L2 language

[Anonymous No.]

I think you could overwrite any bad habit with the ultimate cheat code for learning Japanese: moving to Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631112
Does that work for ESLs moving to America?

[Anonymous No.]

>私を支持してくれる人は身内を入れても五十人程度に過ぎない。
uhhh, isn't 50 a lot? fucking normos

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631100
>L2 language
try again - not an example of an mistake to be fixed (or which can't be fixed)
p.s. L already stands for language, this is redundant

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631131
You made it in your post actually, one that always turns into a shitfest when I bring it up that I always get blamed for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631134
what post are you talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631141
Forget it, no point shitting up this thread when it won't result in anything. You are right, drilling unnatural sentences in Tae Kim is fine as long as you get enough input afterwards.

[Anonymous No.]

あついちほうのおにいちゃん

どうやってみをまもるのか

おしえて

びょうきになっちゃう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631149
i didn't mention tae kim once, my first post in this conversation was >>19631097
i would agree that drilling tae kim sentences is a waste of time, there are much more effective things that one can do with their time

[Anonymous No.]

like masturbating to porn

or even better, masturbating to non-porn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631057
Not sure why you disagree. IMHO, it's only the very beginning, the point where the language stops being a subject of study and becomes a tool you need to master.
It's like, you have a katana, and you finally stop using it like you would use a machete. But you're still just awkwardly swinging it around and anxiously comparing your every move to those of katana masters, always thinking that you're doing something wrong (and you most likely are).
It's been over 3 years since the English language became an independent body of knowledge in my mind, I can't even properly translate my own words into my native language because I only think in English when i speak. But I know I still suck badly and the online test I took on TOEFL / Cambridge exams related websites agree with me. I'm still Upper *Intermediate*.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631120
Not as well, because there are large enough pockets of speakers of most languages that immigrants can surround themselves only with people who share their native tongue, and get by while minimizing their use of English. Communicating with the rest of the country through their children, bilingual friends, etc.

In Japan it's harder to get by without Japanese, from what I understand. There are some English-speaking communities in Tokyo, but if that's the company you choose to keep while in Japan, then your don't-want-to-learn-Japanese mind is so powerful that I doubt you'd put in the effort to even look at a grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631191
It didn't work for namasensei, he lived in Osaka for 5 years and his Japanese is awful

[Anonymous No.]

Daily reminder that you don't learn languages by outputting with the locals but by shutting yourself inside, AJATTing and pissing in jugs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631256
>pissing in jugs
this is new, how do I do this to learn Japanese? Do you have a 10-minute video explanation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631112
I rather not move there, but I do want to visit and study abroad to improve my Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631281
Pissing in jugs cuts the time wasted in the bathroom so you can immerse yourself in the language even while pissing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631300
but with a bluetooth speaker playing constantly in the corridors between the bedroom and the bathroom, and in the bathroom itself, my 100% immersion remains unperturbed even with proper lavatorial micturition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631046
Out of curiosity I registered for LingQ and as a self-professed intermediate it's recommending me NHK Easy. By this measure I must be advanced, which surely I'm not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631281
dont think, feel

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631312
This seems like a good idea.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631484
>驫麤
>actual kanji that's encoded in the language of the computers
I know it sounds absolutely weaboo-ish, but I am constantly awed by how much of these very obscure, apparent neologisms are already type-able in modern computers.

Also I wonder if this has any connection with the "three heads are better than one" proverb. Thanks, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631502
>apparent neologisms
They're not.
>驫 (biāo) - a horde of horses
>麤 (cū) - coarse / rough / rude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631541
The characters themselves are old, but using them to write トリプルバカ must be new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631484
so being an extreme baka makes you a genius? that's dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631553
I thought what amazed you was the fact that the characters were included in the Unicode, so I showed you why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631541
In my defense, I wanted to say "it seems like new words" and thought 'apparent' can also mean 'seemingly true, but not'.

I wonder if, like the OED, there's a main dictionary of kanji that shows the oldest appearance of that thing in written documents.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631328
NHK Easy is beginner level, friend. The hardest grammar in NHK Easy articles is によると

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631576
that is literally what they are assuming by what they are conveying with their post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631588
>I am intermediate and LingQ is giving me beginner material, so by this measure I am advanced
Maybe I can't even read English but...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631594
>the material LingQ is giving him when he calls himself intermediate is too easy for him, so he must be advanced from LingQ's point of view

[Anonymous No.]

to prevent confusion, maybe we should all use Japanese, the least confusing of the languages

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631607
Then read harder material, I don't get what the issue here is besides complaining about arbitrary fluency levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631576
>tfw don’t even know によると

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631625
One day of reading NHK easy and you will, it comes up practically every single article.

[Anonymous No.]

Apparently it's at N3 according to this website, and I thought NHK Easy stick to N5 things. Oh well, different websites, different classifications I guess. Never really cared about these.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631648
>NHK Easy stick to N5 things
N5 is "hello, my name is John"-level. You can't write news articles in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631656
Just like there are English novels that doesn't use 'e', or a French novel without verbs, I wonder if there are experimental Japanese novels that sticks to certain parts of the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631648
>Oh well, different websites, different classifications I guess
At least you get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19631648
That explains it. There’s so many N3 grammar particles that I haven’t covered them all yet.

[Anonymous No.]

ぜったいにやめないをする

[Anonymous No.]

I will read all the grammar guides on the wiki!

[Anonymous No.]

I can't seem to memorize adverbs with っ in them and り in the end, like すっかり, おっとり, or うっかり. What are these adverbs called?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632058
Read IMABI if you have the patience.
Most of the grammar points will fly right over your head though, you should really focus on input more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632128
Mimetic words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632128
Here's a bunch of them, courtesy of that esteemed website, chiebukuro.yahoo
あっさり
うっとり
おっとり
がっかり
がっくり
がっぷり
がっぽり
きっかり
きっちり
きっぱり
ぎっしり
くっきり
ぐっすり
ぐったり
げっそり
こっそり
こってり
ごっそり
さっぱり
ざっくり
しっかり
しっくり
じっくり
しっとり
じっとり
すっかり
すっきり
すっぽり
たっぷり
てっきり
どっさり
どっぷり
にっこり
ねっとり
のっそり
はっきり
ばっさり
ばったり
ばっちり
ぱっちり
ひっそり
びっくり
びっしり
ぴったり
ぷっつり
べったり
ほっそり
めっきり
やっぱり
ゆっくり
ゆったり

うんざり
こんがり
しんなり
しんみり
じんわり
すんなり
たんまり
のんびり
ひんやり
ふんわり
ほんのり
やんわり

Good luck learning these, asshole

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just my imagination or are there more 4chan users who picked up learning japanese than before?
It could be just that since I've started learning Japanese myself I'm just noticing other fellow DJTers in other boards more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632301
There seems to be a bit of a resurgence of /djt/ in its original home of /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632301
It does feel like there are more, but they’re all trash tier. Not enough commitment. Then there’s the lurking ones who are much better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632300
not the other anon, but thanks for the list, i'm going to ask my language exchange partner which ones are most useful
i swear to god if i get one more select all vehicles

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632300
Thanks. Didn’t know this many existed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632300
Honestly just guess what it means based on the consonants.

[Anonymous No.]

whats the difference between core2k/6k optimised and core 5k anon and which is better

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632300
>ゆったり
>
>うんざり
did you omit some here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632300
The real thing that confuses me is using adverbs. I don’t really understand it in English either. They’re like adjectives but like adjectives for adjectives? Their main usage being for verbs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632342
depends what you want to learn
core 2k/6k is better for individual vocab, but i like 5000 for whole sentence reading practice
>cue "anki is not reading, sentence cards are dumb" any second now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632376
They're separated because technically they're not _っ_り but _ん_り.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632380
>really

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632342
also, core 5000 comes from much better frequency data

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632388
oh right, i missed that because my brain has an aversion to processing slabs of japanese text

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632382
anon core 5000 is not a sentence deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632342
Recognition, Vocabulary. Front: vocabulary (kanji). Back: translation, reading, example sentence, audio. In order of importance and introduced characters. Covers ~6k words. Based on iKnow data

Recognition, Vocabulary. Front: vocabulary (kanji). Back: translation, reading, example sentence, frequency. In order of importance. Covers ~5k words. Contains common grammatical particles. Based on A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632415
not originally but I use it as one. i like the sentences and her voice is mecha kawaii

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632431
That's Nayr's core 5000, not Anonymous core 5000. They're different decks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632342
About to finish Core2k.

It's really useful because the words are so common, but after you're done with stuff like "school", "dog" and "apple", you'll find that the example sentence gives you more information about the meaning of the word than the randomly picked translations.
You might want to start actively using dictionaries and lots of example sentences if you want to have at least a general idea of what the words might mean. Be ready to look stuff up on simple Japanese websites, too, to know the difference between seemingly identical words.
E.g.
https://chigai-allguide.com/%E9%9B%A2%E3%81%99%E3%81%A8%E6%94%BE%E3%81%99/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632437
oops my bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632427
'example sentences' don't count as sentence decks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632448
Example sentences means the sentences are on the back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632448
i didn't say or imply they did and i have absolutely no fucking idea why you thought i was saying so

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632300
もっとだ

ぜんぶはきだせ

[Anonymous No.]

is drinking and studying a good idea or a bad idea? since i started studying japanese i've stopped drinking every day but now my liquor stash is piling up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632459
Any mental inhibition is a terrible idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632438
>You might want to start actively using dictionaries and lots of example sentences
Just don't go overboard with your definitions like this guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632503
>jumanji ending

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632457
まったり
みっちり
むっちり
そっくり
にんまり

他にもあるかなあ…？
ふくし　を覚えるときはgoogle imageがとてもべんり

[Anonymous No.]

私はどくしんです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632644
>やっぱり
missed the only one i already know

[Anonymous No.]

Is it fine if I ditch anki and just learn vocabulary from eroges?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632849

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632849
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632969
>>19632988
You are both objectifying women. Not cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633004
but doraemon look gay?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633013
watashitachi wa all gay here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633095
based

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633004
Maybe when I learn Japanese. Manga is too hard for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19632300
うっそり
かっちり
がっしり
がったり
がっちり
がっつり
ぎっちり
ぐっしょり
こっくり
こっくりこっくり
ごっくり
ごってり
さっくり
しっぽり

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633233
...are you in the wrong thread?

[Anonymous No.]

but just because there are images that make comprehension easier doesn't mean it's not reading wtf you are distorting the meaning of reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633232
Same with visual novels I agree.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633238
Definitely not this is djt right?

[Anonymous No.]

Matt says visual novels are the perfect intermediary between manga and actual novels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633265
Do you... think that novels don't have illustrations or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633269
Not even as many as a normal light novel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>>/wsg/2328010

Is this guy right about how you don't need to memorize conjugations? You just naturally pick up on it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633232
Manga is reading unless it has literally no text at all. Baka

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633257
Manga dont have voices. Visual novels are easy mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633280
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633265
Using Japanese in real life also relies on pretty pictures and engaging sounds, so from now on I'm in favor of demoting the activity some people refer to as "speaking" Japanese to a more appropriate verb like "choo-choo-train-ing" Japanese.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19633295
are you threatening me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633353
>visual novels are written better than light novels.
are they?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633418
Where the fuck was you at when Khatz charged for srs?
Where were you at when people thought duolingo would work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633474
Where were you at when people recommended nama sensei 50 times?

[Anonymous No.]

Is it true that AJATT inspired old DJT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633515
Where the fuck was your ass at when you thought you wouldn't have an accent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633474
you can read hiragana and reference a pitch accent dictionary and convince yourself that you're reading correctly, but the truth is that words are unique and have nuanced pronunciations that need to be listened to. reading by yourself in your head without a real spoken model of the language is not doing you any favors. though you will be able to pick out words you read previously and you need to correct your internal model of how that word sounds based off how a japanese person says it.
anyways my point stands there's no point in talking this long. just make sure you're listening guys. listening while reading is a good idea

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19633515
i mean you gotta do everything including 10000 hours of anime

if you do only one thing you become deficient

if you eat only one thing you become deficient

youre still gonna sound funny tho till society changes you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633526
some accents are stronger than others and reading too much ahead of listening will hurt it more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633519
Kinda.

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19633527
listen while reading for sure is a good idea

but i just meant like the いう thing is a foreigner mistake because they are effectively trying to pronounce in romaji lol

or maybe its katakana

[yung jamal or w/e !K/1sx/RVXY No.]

>>19633715
thats page is gonna open my cd tray isnt it

im not gonna let you eject my tray not this time

also im learning how to make web pages dude relax ill get there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633715
I'm vomiting as I write this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19633742
it's okay it contains zero javascript