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DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1976 Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 15:24:29 No.19550832 [Reply] [Original]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
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Old guide site below.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/

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>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:01:31 No.19551040 also dont forget to check the nets best nihongo learning website guaranteed to make you filthily fluent https://nihongobyjamal.neocities.org/ and also https://vocaroo.com/i/s0Bv3LPeXF1R

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:03:29 No.19551051 File: 78 KB, 639x433, からー.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:06:03 No.19551066 piggy piggy piggy cant you see sometimes your words just hypnotize me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MS2wOS6VJs

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:16:30 No.19551126 mooom I posted it again

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:17:29 No.19551134 ｍ（＿　＿）ｍ

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:27:05 No.19551194 >>19551040 what is the "right answer"?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:28:08 No.19551205 >>19551194 There isn't one

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:29:00 No.19551213 >>19551194 i havent coded the epic landing page for that yet but there will be

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:30:26 No.19551223 >>19551194 read more

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:34:47 No.19551249 >>19551194 The "right answer" is to pay 0.01 bitcoin when the ransomware kicks in.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 16:37:21 No.19551264 >>19551249 im pretty sure if you right click and inspect my codes and stylesheet youll find thats frankly impossible for me

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:06:26 No.19551435
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I hate hate hate this language so much.
Why is there soooooo few particles, but they are all used for soooooo many different purposes? And there are many stupid things like that as well. 1 thing used for 10 different purposes and 10 things are used interchangeably for 1 purpose. How can you not mix up those shit!? Even worse that unlike in English where I can still understand people with awful grammar (like myself), if I get 1 thing wrong in nipponese, the sentence is completely ruined and I won't be able to understand shit.
I managed to do N3 practice test somehow, but when I tried reading non-shounen manga, I can't understand shit even after using OCR to know all the vocab and thinking like crazy trying to decipher the moonrune grammar shit. It's been 2 hours and I barely able to ''''''understand'''' what's going on in 10 pages of exposition in a certain manga. Just how the fuck can I learn this fucking language!? I just want to read some untranslated manga. This is way too hard and I'm only talking about the grammar not the shitty 2000+ kanji required to read anything and even more vocab that I need to know. Fuck this shit. dekinai I give up.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:09:50 No.19551451 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNCMUURSIjI#t=7

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:10:34 No.19551457 >>19551435 read tae kim

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:14:51 No.19551475 >>19551457 I've done over half of it. There's no way I can actually learn Japanese with that. The actual real life reading material is so fuck complicated it can't compare to lesson book's simple example sentences.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:30:07 No.19551547 〆切り What the heck. Never seen that before.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:33:01 No.19551563 >>19551435 >he fell for the read more meme This is what happens when you don't know real nipponese.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:33:12 No.19551565

>>19551435
If you're wondering why a particle is overloaded with like fifty different meanings you should look at the entry in the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar; I recall that the article for に had an explanation and breakdown of the evolution of why it means what it does.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:35:39 No.19551582 you dont need an explanation of the evolution of etymology you just need to fuckin not worry about it and go to the nihongo so it came come to you

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:36:42 No.19551587

>>19551563
Then what should I do to actually learn this fucking language? If bunch of NEET manga/LN translators can learn Japanese then anyone should also be able to learn it as well with enough dedication. BUT HOW? How can I actually learn this shit?????

>>19551565
Fuck に I hate that shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:38:23 No.19551594 >>19551582 um how bout shut the fuck cause i def do

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:39:16 No.19551600 >>19551587 >If bunch of NEET manga/LN translators can learn Japanese How are you so sure they can. Watch TV or anime, you should learn the same way you learned your native language.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:44:24 No.19551635

>>19551435
you'll get the hang of it eventually buddy. when i'm feeling demotivated i just look up "learning japanese" progress vlogs on youtube. there's plenty of people who have overcome this shit through constant exposure so it'll happen eventually.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:47:58 No.19551657 >>19551587 >How can I actually learn this shit????? Well, you could try looking it up in the dictionary instead of complaining about it.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:53:29 No.19551693

>>19551635
The more I know about Japanese, the more I think it's fuck complicated and just impossible. It's been around 6 months since I started. I can understand this guy's tutorial just fine https://youtu.be/3S-Y6PiKW-s . I know about all the grammatical rules in that playlist, but when I'm actually exposed to a more complicated and longer sentence, I'm just completely blank. everything is fucking complicated with bunch of same particles used in different place, except they're all have different usage it's so frustrating.

>>19551657
No. Try reading my post I already wrote how fuck complicated Japanese grammar is. It's incomprehensible even if I know all the vocab through dictionary.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:54:21 No.19551695 read and listen a lot that's all you have to do to solve your grammar worries

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 17:59:05 No.19551716 >>19551695 i wish people understood this intuitively because it's the truth, yet so many of them will bury their heads in the sand along with genki and tobira

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:01:23 No.19551726

>>19551695
>>19551716
What's the point continuously reading something that you can't understand? Reading basic kids books and shounen manga are easy, but beyond that is just impossible. non-kids Japanese reading is far harder than English academic paper with shitload of bizarre words since English grammar is simple enough to follow. Meanwhile, Japanese grammar rules just make even a sentence with bunch of easy vocab really hard.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:02:08 No.19551728 File: 205 KB, 956x683, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are your Japanese skills ready for this?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:03:10 No.19551733 >>19551726 if you can't understand it then you can't understand it because you haven't read or listened enough, not because you don't know enough grammar

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:03:49 No.19551735 >>19551594 you do not >>19551716 in the modern era people are afraid to take charge of their own shit and plunge headlong into the unknown alone >>19551728 its a fun game prolly much less so on the computer lol

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:03:56 No.19551736 >>19551728 I've never played a Yakuza game before

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:06:14 No.19551753 >>19551733 So I should just stare at something that I can't understand at all again again and again and I will magically understand it? Sounds like bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:06:37 No.19551755 >>19551735 >>>/v/ is over there if you want to have console wars >>19551736 It's supposedly the best one and story wise it's the earliest part of the story so it's a good one to start the series with

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:07:19 No.19551758 >>19551755 Cool thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:07:40 No.19551764 >>19551753 You can watch English subbed anime and end up learning Japanese

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:07:49 No.19551766 did you seriously just tell me to go to v and then proceed to talk about videogames lmao

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:07:51 No.19551767

>>19551753
no, obviously you reference a dictionary and possibly grammar handbooks
the point is that you will not be good at using any knowledge of japanese to comprehend nontrivial japanese until you have enough practice doing so, using that particular knowledge

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:10:22 No.19551782 >>19551728 I've already watched a 実況 of it. No point on playing it by myself.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:12:40 No.19551800 >>19551764 You can't. Some vocab will stuck onto your mind, but you can't learn the language itself, that's bullshit.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:14:19 No.19551809

>>19551693
>Try reading my post I already wrote how fuck complicated Japanese grammar is. It's incomprehensible even if I know all the vocab through dictionary.
I specifically recommended the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar, which you ignored because you'd rather scream and cry to DJT. I can't tell whether you deserve the thread or the thread deserves you.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:14:27 No.19551812 >income, earnings, stipend, cash, etc. FUCK YOU RTK FUCK YOU TO HELL And people criticize RTK for trying to avoid using too many synonyms...

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:15:50 No.19551819 >>19551800 I learnt Japanese from watching anime, it's not hard, just takes time

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:15:54 No.19551820 >>19551812 You know what would help? Learning a Japanese word that uses that kanji.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:16:26 No.19551822 >>19551819 You're not fooling anyone, buddy.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:16:48 No.19551826 File: 17 KB, 244x222, press 2 make ur yumes come true.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] its 1 simple fuckin choice guys

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:17:18 No.19551830 i dont have a touchscreen

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:17:26 No.19551831 >>19551822 You can go do more vocab in anki or accept the facts that reading and listening to the language will teach it to you

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:17:40 No.19551833 >>19551820 It's faster to just rote memorize that they're different than to learn them while simultaneously learning Japanese. Learning Japanese will come after I've learned to write them.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:18:45 No.19551837

>>19551753
to paraphrase stephen krashen, there will always be something that you can learn from

if I said "The table jaggers if you stomp on the floor near it", you would clearly have no idea how to define "jagger", but you would understand very well what it means in that particular context

and by seeing "jagger" used in a lot of contexts, you will build a mental definition of it just like that, including where it's normally used and whether it's only natural in certain phrases or situations!

if I said "The table jaggers if you flump the labber next to it" you'd have a much harder time understanding what it means

as it happens, this isn't limited to knowing or not knowing individual words, and you can have a sentence with multiple "unknowns" in it that you can still understand (ignoring the fact that knowns and unknowns aren't quantifiable)

it extends to grammar, idioms, collocations, word usage choices, and even spelling variations and pragmatics

there is nothing on the face of the planet that normal people can use to learn all that they need to know to begin reading and listening comfortably without at some point diving in and just doing it

other people: feel free to copy paste this post and make adjustments

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:19:15 No.19551838 >>19551837 >but you would understand very well what it means in that particular context what possible meanings it might convey in that particular context*

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:19:56 No.19551846 >>19551833 Whatever man. If you wanna waste time memorizing English keywords that you will never remember after you start learning words.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:20:03 No.19551848 Is ゴブリンスレイヤ a good novel to start with after you read your first manga?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:23:00 No.19551862 >>19551846 I'll definitely remember them for a long time thanks to anki, but at some point I may substitute English keywords with Japanese keywords.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:23:38 No.19551867

>>19551837
also, people who are literate in their first language are So Accustomed to having a good handle on grammar, idioms, collocations, word usage, and pragmatics (including code switching and slang) that when they read or listen in another language for the first time they feel helpless because their brain doesn't have any such knowledge to apply to what they're reading/hearing

you just have to clench your teeth (mentally) and keep reading/listening or you just won't learn those things in the first place. nothing can teach them. nothing can even enumerate them for you to be aware of.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:25:25 No.19551879 >>19551862 But its pointless. When you see a word like for example 学校, you don't think >oh its 学 study plus 校 exam You just remember it means school and 学 is read がく and 校 is read こう.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:26:05 No.19551882 >>19551879 >校 exam confused anime girl with question marks floating around her head

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:28:05 No.19551889 >>19551879 >But its pointless. It teaches me how to recall kanji from memory so I can write them. That's the point.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:28:35 No.19551893 >>19551882 Thats the Heisig keyword I looked up for 校. I always just thought of it as meaning school.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:28:52 No.19551896 >>19551893 rtk everybody

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:30:55 No.19551908 >>19551889 You need to be able to write 'school' or がっこう to 学校 or 'to study' or まなぶ to 学ぶ. Not 'study' to 学 and 'exam' to 校.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:32:08 No.19551916 >>19551908 I'll learn the words those kanji are used in later.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:33:32 No.19551925 >>19551916 So for now you will waste your time learning useless keywords. Good for you.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:33:44 No.19551929 File: 100 KB, 500x500, 1413587984887.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19551882 >confused anime girl with question marks floating around her head here you go

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:33:56 No.19551931 >>19551929 thanks man

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:35:01 No.19551940 >>19551925 I'm not learning keywords. I'm learning to write kanji based on a keyword. If I were learning the Japanese word simultaneously it would take much longer. And thanks.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:35:57 No.19551946 >>19551848 pls answer

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:37:22 No.19551956 >>19551946 Watch anime instead of reading

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:37:38 No.19551959 >>19551940 Enjoy being a dekinai.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:38:20 No.19551962 >>19551956 I do watch anime raw but I want to go into the novel blind

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:38:31 No.19551964 >>19551959 I don't enjoy it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:39:50 No.19551972 >>19551962 Then fucking read the novel

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:40:50 No.19551979 >>19551972 but im asking if it's good for beginners after they finished their first manga

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:43:10 No.19551989 What is ボイド?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:43:27 No.19551992 >>19551979 If you are motivated to read it then it is good.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:44:05 No.19551996 Can ~の方がいい mean "should / should have" rather than "more than"? For instance, something like "くだものも食べたほうがいいですよ" meaning "You should also eat fruit"? Because otherwise I don't understand why the translation says "should".

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:44:23 No.19551999 >>19551979 Nope, it's impossible to read for beginners

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:45:26 No.19552004 >>19551992 thats the answer I needed. I powered though a mango after I finished tae kim even though it was a little struggle it was very enjoyable >>19551999 Now who do I believe

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:45:29 No.19552005 >>19551979 Read Eromanga-sensei instead.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:50:09 No.19552037 How do you translate this manga title? >やがて君になる

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:51:13 No.19552042 >>19552037 Yagate becomes Kimi

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:51:14 No.19552043 >>19552037 boku no piko

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:51:27 No.19552045 >>19552037 "Freaky Friday"

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:52:01 No.19552049 https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/dojg.html who created this page. you are amazing.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:52:18 No.19552051 >>19552037 Soon i'll become me

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:53:51 No.19552058 >>19552037 "Bloom Into You"

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:54:25 No.19552063 >>19552037 Finally I'm becoming you.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:54:32 No.19552064 >>19552049 like ten to twenty different people at different points in time

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:55:04 No.19552067 >>19552058 Where's the bloom and where's the into?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:55:29 No.19552071 >>19552064 you are all amazing

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:55:33 No.19552072 >>19552037 just "SOON"

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:55:34 No.19552073 >>19552064 Why should it be used over Tae Kim? Or is it supplementary?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:56:40 No.19552078 >>19552073 it shouldn't. it's a reference, not a guide.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:57:31 No.19552081 >>19552067 the bloom is a metaphor for sopping dyke cunt

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:58:00 No.19552086 >>19552051 >>19552037 Forget that I meant "soon i'll become you"

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:58:09 No.19552088

>>19552073
It's a dictionary. You wouldn't use it to replace Tae Kim for the same reason you wouldn't recommend someone read the dictionary to learn Japanese words; it's not structured to serve as a guide or really any sort of introduction.

t. someone who decided he'd learn japanese reading dictionaries

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:58:09 No.19552089 >>19552067 >bloom なる >into >に

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:58:54 No.19552094 >>19552037 resistance is futile

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 18:59:33 No.19552097 >>19552073 it's just an easy way to ctrl+f any grammar point you need help with in the moment.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:00:00 No.19552101 >>19551996 Anyone know?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:00:44 No.19552109 あきらめたほうがいいおにいちゃん

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:01:43 No.19552118 File: 630 KB, 900x643, body_change_by_nostal-d4u8ant.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19552037 YAGATE KIMI NI NARU!

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:02:20 No.19552121 >>19552109 絶対にあきらめない！！！

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:02:47 No.19552124 >>19552037 yagate kimi ni naurto

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:03:08 No.19552125 やがて小説家になろう！

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:03:24 No.19552126 >>19552101 The answer you seek is in DoJG. Good luck in your journey through the guide.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:03:48 No.19552128 >>19552121 よーし

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:04:22 No.19552131 >>19552109 決してあきらめる

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:04:50 No.19552135 >>19552037 a baby two girls cannot make

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:05:51 No.19552143 actually lets make it rhyme a baby two girls cannot makey

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:08:32 No.19552153 >>19552131 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt3DEC_dA6s#t=160

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:09:34 No.19552156 impossible mode: translate >>19552143 to japanese

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:11:13 No.19552167 >>19552143 ペニスなしレズセックスぱなし

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:11:43 No.19552170 赤ちゃんを二人女子できゃん

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:14:31 No.19552179 >>19552143 二人の女子の作ることはできない赤ちゃん

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:19:44 No.19552198 its already a bloodbath an immediate fallback to some kinda kansai ben and this other mother fucker whos straight up できへん

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:30:31 No.19552246 File: 298 KB, 1140x1650, p045.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:33:42 No.19552263 File: 12 KB, 670x161, 1505097556105.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dropped Kanji Damage after pic related. Is "Remembering the Kanji" as valid? I greatly prefer a radical-based approach.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:34:39 No.19552268 >>19552263 rtk's keywords, mnemonics, and order are exceptionally bad use something like genetickanji or kklc instead

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:38:02 No.19552283 >>19552268 Alright, many thanks Anon, I'll look them up.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:39:07 No.19552288 花よりちんこ

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:40:27 No.19552291 >>19552263 count to ten and then youll be in heaven jew

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:41:22 No.19552296 >>19552288 花みたいなマンコ

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:42:40 No.19552302 でも魚臭い

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:42:52 No.19552304 >>19552296 man i wish i knew katakana so i could read this

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 19:44:42 No.19552309 >>19552049 English doesn't have nearly as many random, incoherent grammar points. Japanese is a bad language.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 20:03:25 No.19552400

>>19552309
You just haven't had to learn English as a second language. Japanese is far more uniform in everything it does, and actually has rules unlike in English where they are more like patterns which, on a case by case basis, may or may not be followed.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 20:08:12 No.19552421 女と女と赤ちゃん作りなんて無理でしょ

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 20:12:39 No.19552441 >>19552400 I feel like in English the grammar is relatively straightforwards and it's just pronunciation that's a total fuck festival.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 20:13:55 No.19552453 >>19552421 無為ではない

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 20:14:15 No.19552457 >>19552441 condolences for whats coming

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 20:14:48 No.19552463 >>19552441 Retard

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 20:19:46 No.19552487 hello /jp ive been directed from s4s to this thread. i plan on a backpack trip through japan next summer, will i be able to learn enough nihongo in a years time to survive? can devote up to 3 hours a day studying...

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 20:22:59 No.19552505 if you cant talk to the mountain yokels youre just actually dead

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 20:23:37 No.19552510 >>19552487 That's more than enough as long as you are actually studying every single day.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:06:12 No.19552717 File: 60 KB, 908x766, roadmap to success.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:10:04 No.19552751 roadmap to success https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quJvkUlpIVw

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:12:39 No.19552767 >anglos and EOPs think languages are hard >other ESLs think even English is hard >know pitch accent better than まあtt because I'm not a fucking anglo haha feels good being talented

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:13:55 No.19552772 shouldnt you be spraying on your fake hair in preparation for tomorrows video dogen

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:15:53 No.19552784 there's no rush I'm planning to wear a beanie anyway

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:16:14 No.19552789 >>19552767 Too bad you're too busy bragging in English on DJT to demonstrate those mad Japanese skills of yours.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:20:25 No.19552824 nihongo is boring and commonplace to me i dont feel the same mystique towards it as you gaijin nerds do

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:22:37 No.19552837 >people study for the JLPT, let alone N2 or below why?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:27:23 No.19552867 >>19552837 They don't want to learn the language, they just want to feel good about doing something

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:29:29 No.19552876 im certified to understand some nihongo some of the time by the esteemed japan foundation

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:31:11 No.19552886 Does google ime have some kind of names-mode? I want to type in a name and press something to have it list kanji combinations that are known names first and normal words after.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:37:07 No.19552924 >>19552837 >>19552867 I'm doing my best and you are offending me, hmph.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:39:58 No.19552943 >>19552837 The way the modern education system is designed has fucked up their conception of what it actually means to learn something.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:53:49 No.19553021 >>19552837 Becuase if u havent passed n1 u dont know any japanese, and if u havent passed n5 u dont even know a little. =) lets all study together so we can pass it and know japaense

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:57:13 No.19553051 https://www.youtube.com/user/NukeMarine/live Our guy is live.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 21:59:13 No.19553066 imagine being so bored u watch duke marine and post abt him itt

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:00:11 No.19553073 Are you new here? NukeMarine is one of the best Japanese teachers out there. It's nothing to do with boredom.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:01:03 No.19553078 thats true i guess youd have to be something other than bored to be subscribed to him so u know when he goes live lmao

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:02:34 No.19553093 Yea of course I'm subscribed. Getting ready to join his patreon too. Hopefully he gives me some insider tips, which I'm not going to share with you because you're being kind of rude.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:02:41 No.19553095 File: 276 KB, 586x634, 1526217183320.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >learning japanese from a gaijin

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:04:02 No.19553108 File: 26 KB, 282x356, 1502988191626.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19553095 Learning Japanese from a gaijin that doesn't even know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:05:56 No.19553123 File: 7 KB, 583x435, 1142069420691.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >learning japanese

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:05:59 No.19553124 File: 39 KB, 360x360, 1532517866299.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19553108 It's better to learn Japanese from Daisuke. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVx6xun68CZORItm4Zp02nA/videos

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:07:07 No.19553128 he sounds like reverse matt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8P26wrJguk

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:08:36 No.19553140 File: 51 KB, 599x435, bb0f2a48.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19551051

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:09:13 No.19553144 but yes objectively listening to that guy is better than spending any time on all the white guys

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:10:15 No.19553152 File: 147 KB, 640x480, 35880.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19553140

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:10:52 No.19553162

>>19551848
I read ゴブリンスレイヤ LNs around 9 months after I began learning Japanese - fell that it wasn't a bad choice to read early.

Good choice for me since I was hooked by manga and actually had the interest in reading the rest. And that, really, is all that matters - the best book to read is the one that will keep you reading it - everything else, the difficulty of the grammar or vocab or what else is there? is secondary.

Very simple grammatically, only things that were somewhat confusing were intermissions, that were written in a weird one-man dialog style where you only get sentences of one character and responses are not written but implied or inferred to.
Nothing special about vocab either - some RPG/fantasy stuff that is easy to pick up.

I started LNs after reading both the scanlated manga and the RAWs of it - so had plenty of context - made reading easier.
Also cheated by having the yen press translations of the first 2 volumes of LN at hand - would alt+tab to them if some specific phrase would give me trouble.
I think you pretty much have to have the actual translation of whatever you are trying to read when your are early in the study (parallel reading?)

Go for it.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:11:29 No.19553167 なるほど

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:12:30 No.19553173 Has anyone here tried to dive straight into VNs or material around VN level right at the beginning? And how did that go for you if so?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:16:18 No.19553194 >>19551435 >>19551726 >>19551848 >>19553162 Woah there, hold on a second. Manga isn't reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:16:59 No.19553199 >>19553194 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLpeX4RRo28

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:18:58 No.19553214 File: 43 KB, 833x446, science.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] move out of the way for science

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:20:45 No.19553225 >>19553214 Graphs aren't reading

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:21:07 No.19553226 nor science actually

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:21:53 No.19553229 >>19553225 >>19553226 both wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:24:07 No.19553239 >>19553214 I dont understand this graph.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:24:44 No.19553244 >>19553229 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q9C1p4x_NU#t=123

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:25:07 No.19553246 File: 54 KB, 1200x800, meta-chart.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19553229

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 22:46:32 No.19553309 https://www.strawpoll.me/16188234

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:03:22 No.19553384 >119 again counts today >278 reps to review tomorrow 30 new card Kill me. How do you retain more stuff I've just past 2k and the reps keeps getting longer and it's harder to retain stuff and I keep forgetting the old stuff.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:05:30 No.19553401
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>>19552073
Tae Kim's guide is a structured grammar guide whereas the DoJG is a grammar dictionary series, excellent for looking up grammar points and a more in-depth reference but it requires a basic familiarity beforehand.
If you were to use the version of Tae Kim's guide on the previously linked site, you'll actually find references to this DoJG page, pic related reflecting the example below. In a sense they are complimentary.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/taekim.html#215%20Expressing%20what%20cannot%20be%20done%20with%20「～かねる」
→ https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/pages/dojg.html#intermediateかねる [in situ reference to related DoJG entry]

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:05:42 No.19553402 you retain better stuff by actually doing stuff with nihongo besides playing with your childs flashcard toy

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:05:55 No.19553406 core2k drones are trolling

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:06:44 No.19553408 stop trollnig minna

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:07:00 No.19553411 >>19553401 Completely fucked up the bottom link in the image, awkward.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:08:38 No.19553425 >>19553384 Stop new cards and start reading

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:08:57 No.19553427 >>19553384 reading more, kanji study, radical study

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:51:24 No.19553661

>>19553384
Retention of words and kanji improves x10 when you encounter them during actual reading be it books, VNs or manga.
Read more and you are bound to stumble into words from your deck.

Q: How many cards should I have as mature before I start reading?
A: You can(should!) start reading without doing Anki at all, though it is better to stick to books and hook-able VNs since you can use yomichan with them, or you will have to spend a lot of time on jisho looking up individual kanji (those OCR kanji readers are unreliable).
Manga is harder than books.

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:55:21 No.19553686

>>19553661
manga with furigana has free furigana and you can look up words by typing out their reading - and if the reading is different than the actual word like it's chuuni shit or something then the actual word doesn't matter until you actually know basic japanese
not necessarily harder than books

Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:55:28 No.19553687
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I just finished up my listening practice for the month. If you remember, my goal was 60 episodes per month, but I've changed it to 23 hours per month, because it makes specials/movies/OVAs easier to deal with. I was in a rush to finish because until a week ago I was counting Shingeki no Kyojin for July, but it was disingenuous, since I watched it in June, so I changed it.

For the most part I haven't really felt much improvement, but there have been a few times in Eureka Seven where I thought I was understanding more than I would have a month ago. I'm really starting to doubt that you can become fluent just by listening. I haven't learned a single word from just listening. Every word I've learned has been from looking at the subtitle files when I really want to understand a line.

Now some thoughts on individual series:
Relife: Kind of understandable because I read the manga. The anime cuts ~75% of the manga, so it was disappointing.
Bubblegum Crisis: Too hard, didn't understand anything.
Usagi Drop: Lots of understandable scenes with kids, but adult conversations were about divorce, immunizations and kid-raising stuff, so that part was too difficult. Really enjoyed rewatching it.
Konosuba: Wanted to try a series with lots of talking. I tried Katanagatari but dropped it instantly and tried Konosuba instead. Couldn't understand much and it was kind of a slog to get through. Saving S2 for later.
Eureka Seven: There is a decent amount of understandable stuff, mostly involving Renton. Any time it switches to the military I understand nothing. I'm really enjoying rewatching it.

Even though I've completed 495 anime series, it is hard to find series that I would enjoy rewatching raw. I'm still sticking with only rewatching for the foreseeable future. I'll be back next month for another update.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:56:55 No.19553695 >>19553661 >Manga is harder than books Fucking what?

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:57:43 No.19553699 >>19553661 That's nice but manga isn't reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:58:08 No.19553702 >>19553687 Yeah I'm not watching this post, 2 decides what I watch next.

>>	Anonymous Tue, Jul 31, 2018 23:59:59 No.19553713 >>19553702 tatami galaxy

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:00:15 No.19553716

>>19553687
>I'm really starting to doubt that you can become fluent just by listening. I haven't learned a single word from just listening. Every word I've learned has been from looking at the subtitle files when I really want to understand a line.
Are you not looking up any words without looking at the subtitles first? Because that's why, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:04:01 No.19553742 >>19553716 Seems like a lot of people misunderstand "just read and listen, don't do anything else" in response to textbook/grammar guide binging. But that's to be expected I guess.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:06:29 No.19553757

>>19553661
I'm stuck to using linux for now. Maybe I'll get an ssd and install w7 on my x200. I could read raw manga with tachiyomi and rawlh. Just need to find a manga with furigana and toil away trying to read it.

>>19553713
You're gonna kill the guy.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:06:36 No.19553759 ドゥーデ麻テラワロス

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:10:00 No.19553779 >>19553687 You are supposed to watch with English subs so you can have a quick look at the subs when you don't understand something

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:11:13 No.19553786 >>19553702 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPml36ECRVQ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:11:30 No.19553788 File: 346 KB, 811x720, 1503781325871.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19553779

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:11:48 No.19553790 >>19553757 You can't "read" manga. It's not reading.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:12:15 No.19553793 >>19553790 its reading

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:13:45 No.19553802 >>19553788 How are you supposed to learn something if you have no idea what it means?

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:14:31 No.19553810

>>19553788
Watching without subs >>> shit > EN subs >>>>>>>> JP subs
Watching with JP subs is basically reading. EN subs dont chew it up for you as much so you can still get help if you really don't get what was said but you're not entirely cheating yourself out of listening practice as you are with JP subs.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:15:02 No.19553813 File: 55 KB, 448x542, nvm.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >not watching anime with subs in a language you understand

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:15:39 No.19553817 >>19553802 You figure out what it means all for yourself an actually learn something instead of relying on low quality translations.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:17:34 No.19553822 watch this over and over and dont stop until you can tell me why this guys so miffed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWiV3lPBhu8

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:23:58 No.19553864

>>19551435
The problem here is that in order to properly "digest" the grammar in a meaningful way, you must first know enough words that you don't have to think too hard about to observe exactly how the grammar is working in a sentence.

This is why most of us dekirus-in-the-making advise vocabulary study in conjunction with RTK. This way, when you go to read Tae Kim, you're ONLY learning grammar instead of having to absorb words at the same time (which dilutes your learning of the grammar).

Japanese has honestly not that bad of grammar when you think about it later on. Not like French (french 2nd language speaker) where you're on the hook for a huge pile of possible conjugations for each verb, and the patterns are not always intuitive, plus the fact that gendered languages suck as a whole. Japanese trades all that in for a handful of "context sensitive" particles whose functions change based on what they're attached to. The only hard part is getting over yourself and realizing that it WORKS. Arguing with it will only make you angry and cause you to give up. Once your brain knows what to expect from a sentence, these context sensitive things suddenly become a LOT nicer than having a whole bunch of random shit that only exists "to be different" from other particles.

Here's a thought - try taking a few sentences from NHK EASY news and remove all particles and use what you know about Japanese to infer the meaning of the sentence without any particles whatsoever. You'll start to see that on a basic level, the sentences largely make sense without them because your brain is remarkably good at putting the puzzle pieces together.

Here, try this random excerpt from an article today -
岡山県広島県など西日本７月、とてもたくさん雨降って大きな被害出ました

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:24:53 No.19553869
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>>19553716
That is an interesting point. Almost everything I've watched has had subtitles available, so I do go to the subs before looking anything up. But what I meant was that I haven't learned anything purely from context. I only look at 10% or fewer lines from the subtitles, so I listen to the other 90% without looking anything up.

I feel like doing this listening practice is improving my ability to listen, but not actually helping me get better at comprehending Japanese. I don't understand how people can have listening abilities that exceed their reading abilities. I can't imagine anything that I would be able to understand while listening but not understand when written. I will continue to practice listening because I want to be good at it, but I think reading is the only way to make real progress.

>>19553779
No. I've watched over 4,000 hours of English subbed anime and learned pretty much nothing. Anyone who recommends this is retarded.

I think watching English dubs with JP subs might be the key to fluency though.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:32:07 No.19553897 >>19553869 >4000 hours Here's where you fucked up anon, you're supposed to do 10000+ hours.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:34:02 No.19553907

>>19553869
>I've watched over 4,000 hours of English subbed anime and learned pretty much nothing. Anyone who recommends this is retarded.
Of course you don't learn from passive listening when you're not at a high enough level, you have to be active about it.
"Oh hey I didn't get any of that, it just sounds like a garbled mess, let's consult the subs"
"Ah, I get what they're saying now"
"Time to re-listen to what was said now that I've narrowed it down from X possibilities to 1 and can focus on structuring/grammar/vocab"
"Great, now I get exactly what they said, time to internalize these sounds as a bunch of patterns so I can recognize them next time they're spoken"
That's about how it goes.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:50:55 No.19553972 >>19553869 people who recommend consuming translations to learn japanese are trolling or retarded 99% of the time the 1% of the time only do it with a massive list of caveats attached

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 00:53:41 No.19553981 newfag here, didn't see anything about this in the link OP unless I'm retarded and missed it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:36:56 No.19554146 File: 27 KB, 600x378, 6cd707df89e637eee33dcc9b708a53a0_600.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >anki time

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:38:22 No.19554155 >>19553972 There is literally only one caveat to watching anime with subs, fucking listen to the Japanese instead of just reading.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:40:21 No.19554164 >>19554155 if you're using english subs it's because you don't want to learn japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:41:00 No.19554166 >>19554155 Disable the subs.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:43:40 No.19554173 >>19554164 So if you look up the definition of Japanese words in English is it because you don't want to learn Japanese? That's what you can do with subs, you just look down.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:44:04 No.19554175 >>19554173 if you're looking at english translations of japanese then you're not studying japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:45:53 No.19554186 >>19554175 So if you look up an English translation of a Japanese word you're not studying Japanese, got it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:46:13 No.19554188 >>19554186 definitions aren't translations you're a beginner. stop trying to give advice

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:47:15 No.19554190 >>19554186 This >>19554188 and also Japanese dictionaries for Japanese words exist.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:47:56 No.19554192 File: 1.40 MB, 1920x1080, [HorribleSubs] Hinamatsuri - 11 [1080p]_[00:13:40.194].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >汚い >汚れる >行く >行う >下る >下りる Abolition of kanji in native Japanese words (except maybe for nouns), when?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:51:04 No.19554203 19554192 You not being mentally retarded when?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:51:37 No.19554204 >>19554188 Translating individual words from one language to another is in fact translating, thank you for trying to make this a discussion about semantics for no reason by the way. You can use subs for "definitions" of words.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:51:55 No.19554207 >>19554204 there is no such thing as translating individual words

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:52:19 No.19554208

>>19554192
Dearest creature in creation,
Study English pronunciation.
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse, and worse.
I will keep you, Suzy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy.
Tear in eye, your dress will tear.
So shall I! Oh hear my prayer.

Just compare heart, beard, and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word,
Sword and sward, retain and Britain.
(Mind the latter, how it's written.)
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as plaque and ague.
But be careful how you speak:
Say break and steak, but bleak and streak;
Cloven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, show, poem, and toe.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:52:25 No.19554210 >>19554204 >You can use subs for "definitions" of words. No you can't, and the fact that you think this exposes that you know virtually no Japanese and should not be giving anyone any advice.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:53:01 No.19554212 >>19554207 >semantics

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:53:22 No.19554214 >>19554204 >You can use subs for "definitions" of words. Translations are inherently inaccurate.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:53:26 No.19554215 >>19554212 this is not semantics. there is simply no such thing as translating individual words.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:55:38 No.19554228 >>19554208 English is much more of a mess than Japanese. Besides, appealing to hypocrisy is not an argument, the Chinese writing system is still totally incompatible with Japanese for obvious reasons.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:56:38 No.19554233

>>19554214
And for every word in Japanese there is a corresponding word in English with the exact same meaning?
>>19554215
Arguing about the meaning of the word translation is literally arguing semantics you fucking retard. Now you want to argue about the definition of semantics? Please blow your fucking head off.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:57:28 No.19554237 >>19554233 did I mention the meaning of translation no what you're doing right now is like arguing that cereal is soup then telling me to fuck off for saying that you're retarded

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:57:36 No.19554239 >>19554233 >>And for every word in Japanese there is a corresponding word in English with the exact same meaning? No there isn't.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:58:07 No.19554245 >>19554233 >And for every word in Japanese there is a corresponding word in English with the exact same meaning? This is not true for any two languages. And it's certainly more false for these two languages than most other pairs.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 01:59:53 No.19554253 It feels so strange coming back to this general after leaving a few years ago. It's still the same autists arguing about the same autistic things lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:00:41 No.19554262 >>19554239 >>19554245 Exactly my point responding to >>19554214, translating strings of words is not one to one and neither is translating individual words.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:00:50 No.19554263 And yet you still don't know nihongo

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:00:58 No.19554264 >>19551435 You say your "going" "to" quit. Where exactly are you going? Particles aren't so literal. Use your brain.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:01:18 No.19554267 >>19554262 english subtitles are not translations of single words and also looking up definitions is not looking up translations

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:01:33 No.19554272 Is there an easy way to find out what a character means if you can't copypaste it

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:02:43 No.19554276

>>19554262
If you look up 性悪説 in a J-E dictionary, you will find the definition "belief that human nature is fundamentally evil". Which is 100% a definition and not a translation. It also provides the "translation" "cynicism (of mankind)", but this is 1) wrong and 2) not a translation.

Also there is no such thing as word-for-word translation.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:03:56 No.19554282 >>19554272 Kanji don't mean anything.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:08:19 No.19554308 >>19554282 Yes they do

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:09:09 No.19554313 >>19554308 If you're new enough to not know how to search a kanji without copy-pasting it, it's unhelpful to think of kanji having meaning.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:13:08 No.19554330

>>19551435
It gets better, faggot.
How much time have you invested in learning Japanese, a week?
It's been 3 months since I started and only now I can understand about 95% of Yotsuba (which is supposed to be super-easy SoL shit).
The language is very different from the European ones, the process of rewiring your brain to make sense of it is painful and long, but not infinitely long.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:13:44 No.19554338

>>19551800
I learned english by doing nothing but watching cartoon network.
Granted, that was way back when i was 6 or so, and the level was appropriate to that age, but it definitely helped me with my vocabulary and basic grasp on grammar.
The rest i learned by going online and arguing with people (you can't allow yourself to make spelling or grammar mistakes after all), but regardless its not a wrong route.
You do need to turn subtitles off though.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:19:32 No.19554361 >>19551600 Native language acquisition is a completely different process. Not to mention that as a child you not only listen, but also speak and ask questions, which is how you find out what certain words mean and what is grammatically correct.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:19:42 No.19554362 File: 1.21 MB, 500x281, 7L8Du3G.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >comparing 英語 to 日本語

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:26:11 No.19554399 that feel when you are reading barakamon and navigating the dialect somewhat reasonably and then a space alien shows up with a dialect so thick that everything goes over your head

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 02:50:06 No.19554499 Where can I read Japanese people having interesting discussions? It seems Japanese image boards are just shitposting.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:03:11 No.19554550 日本語

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:05:06 No.19554559 ニホンゴ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:06:16 No.19554566 にほんご

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:06:28 No.19554567 >>19554499 https://ipv6.2chan.net/54/futaba.htm

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:07:34 No.19554574 >>19554567 Stupid fucking nigger

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:13:55 No.19554595 >>19554499 Just search random shit in yahoo jp or oshiete example: https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/8220677.html?check_ok=1

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:19:53 No.19554625 Imagine "learning" language by shackeling yourself into reviewing boring ass flashcards every day instead of actually doing interesting stuff whenever you want and not stressing about forgetting stuff.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:21:40 No.19554631 >>19554625 Who's to say I'm not doing interesting stuff only, but still stressing about forgetting stuff?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:23:05 No.19554637 Imagine if fun was the key to success, everyone would be a fucking millionaire.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:24:56 No.19554648 >>19554637 Fun is the key to success.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:26:32 No.19554654 >>19554637 >Language learning should be suffering Truly a EOP way of thinking

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:37:06 No.19554685 >>19554361 It's the same process, you're just 100% dedicated to it so nuanced things happen faster.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 03:46:35 No.19554721
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Hey fagstorms, still looking for excuses not to read jap?
If you've given up reading the 2hu manga because eventhough there's furigana, you still can't understand paladium alloy and budhist concepts (I can, because I'm that good, but maybe you're not so good yourself), I'd recommend reading ジャヒーchang. It's basically black kot azuchang from makai, and the vocabulary used is pretty low level, except for when she rambles about makai.

Though, if you're a kanjihead and spent your days studying kanji without being able to actually speak fluent jap, you're out of luck lmao, keep being a kanji sucker I guess. But if you've been slacking on the kanji like me then it's a good choice.
There's torrents on nyaa for both first volumes and here's the latest chapter http://netabare.io/?p=59729
title's ジャヒー様はくじけない

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:02:27 No.19554769 >>19554721 >moeshit

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:12:09 No.19554803 >>19554721 I don't read trash scans.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:34:47 No.19554887 What audio addon do you guys recommend for anki cards? The audio that yomichan generates sounds like dying robots.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:39:27 No.19554904 >>19554887 What's your problem with dying robots?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:43:08 No.19554917 >>19554887 >listening to audio at all lol

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:44:17 No.19554922 >>19554887 Yomichan doesn't "generate" audio, it sources actual audio recordings. If you're using TTS audio you might as well not even bother.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:44:18 No.19554923 >>19554917 >existing in the physical plane at all >not just uploading your brain to your computer so it can process japanese written text on its own without any distractions never going to make it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:44:30 No.19554925 It's not conducive to good studying when you hear 瞬間 as shnggggg-knggg

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:45:35 No.19554930 >>19554925 meant for >>19554904 >>19554922 I know that, but jesus half the readings are near-inaudible garbage

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:48:01 No.19554946

>>19554930
>half the readings are near-inaudible garbage
Are you going deaf or something anon? The default audio source for Yomichan has very clear recordings. If you have trouble listening to that I can't even imagine how hard you're going to find listening to actual normal spoken Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:50:18 No.19554954 >>19554946 Maybe I have gotten unlucky or something, because I'm telling you some of them are absolutely horse shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:51:13 No.19554959 >>19554887 none

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:51:41 No.19554963 >>19554954 I used yomichan to listen to the actual example you gave and it's perfectly clear, anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:52:08 No.19554965 >>19554253 welcome back to the void.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 04:53:17 No.19554968 >>19554963 That wouldn't have been considered a clear recording 70 years ago and it certainly wouldn't be now.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 05:11:53 No.19555015

Beginner here. Is it alright If i hold off on starting listening practices for a few months and instead focus on reading and getting used to sentences. I can't see myself gaining much from listening without knowing at least a couple hundred vocabs. I've listened to japanese voices on the magic screen for 11+ years now so its not new to me either.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 05:13:30 No.19555022 >>19555015 Doesn't matter how much you have listened to, if you're reading subtitles you're not learning. Anyways don't listen until you have a decent vocab.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 05:18:59 No.19555034 >>19554968 What's an example word with such a recording? We all have the same audio so just post a word so we can certify you absolutely retarded already

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 05:20:28 No.19555041 File: 330 KB, 1920x1200, Konata thinking.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What is more important while learning Japanese: Grammar or Vocabulary.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 05:20:44 No.19555042 >>19555022 Thats what i was thinking. Some idiot was saying to listen anyway even if you don't have a vocab pool. I had to makr sure it wasn't the dekinai in me just trying to run away from learning

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 05:21:33 No.19555048 >>19555041 both which is why you should read a lot to improve both

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 05:25:30 No.19555060

瞬間
病院
写真
優しい
All have bad quality, but after hearing them on Firefox as opposed to in Anki, there is definitely a noticeable further quality loss once inside the actual software as opposed to in-browser. Don't get me wrong, it still sounds like a 20 year old laptop mic in browser too, but at least it is half way tolerable.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 05:47:29 No.19555131 >>19555041 Neither. You don't learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:05:06 No.19555187 OH JAMAL BLESS US WITH YOUR CRYPTIC SAYINGS

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:07:44 No.19555209
File: 240 KB, 1588x1116, core 2k6k duplicates.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

so the core 2k/6k has some duplicates

??

there tend to be no pictures on cards in the end but that's fine with me

(using the one from https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html with pictures included)

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:12:39 No.19555242

>>19555209
I have a feeling someone fucked up during one of the 50 times that deck has been edited and reorganized between the original source and the version of the deck on the guide and the duplicates here are supposed to be はんねん and うんどうば. It's not a big deal just remove the duplicates. Core isn't really that important anyway, especially the later cards.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:17:11 No.19555270 >>19555209 You guys are not seriously reviewing cards like this

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:17:39 No.19555273 >>19555060 Or you could've just heard them in anime a thousand times by now if you didn't waste your time.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:20:36 No.19555289 >>19555273 >heard them in anime Anime isn't listening.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:22:46 No.19555298 >>19555270 And here we have the enlightened faggot who thinks he has it figured out when note cards have been proven to work beyond a doubt for hundreds of years.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:24:02 No.19555302 what do you mean

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:26:23 No.19555306 >>19555298 >4145th vocab card >Today you learn 半年 with a picture of a woman in a mall

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:27:34 No.19555310 What's the difference between the readings of 博士 ? When I see the word used in anime and games it's usually pronounced はかせ　but apparently it can also be pronounced はくし.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:29:10 No.19555314 >>19555306 You can turn the pictures off. Fundamentally it is just a flash card that has transcended paper for the sake of ease of use.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:30:10 No.19555322 >>19555310 うしろに課程がつくときだけはくし？あとははかせでいいとおもう

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:35:08 No.19555337 File: 86 KB, 755x696, DgGzcF4UYAE6_Rn.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19554595 >女性の皆様！男性器のことをなんと呼んでいますか？ >『おちんちん』と言うのは恥ずかしいので『ミニー』というあだ名をつけてよんでいます。 >ミニー

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:37:12 No.19555343 >>19554399 >>19554721 Manga isn't reading though.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:42:50 No.19555364 >>19555343 Spamming the same phrase 24/7 is not learning Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:50:34 No.19555385 File: 78 KB, 1920x1080, 20111003011050_original.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] はかせはかせはかせはかせ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:50:43 No.19555387 ええええええええええええええうっるたったはああああああああああああ頬おおおおおおおじいい言いいいいいいいいいかああああああああああああああああなああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:53:03 No.19555391 why did the chinks forget to invent capital letters

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:55:13 No.19555400 >>19555391 They don't have letters to begin with.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:57:23 No.19555410 Just watched Maatts 自己紹介 video. Does he really think he is native level?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 06:59:41 No.19555420 File: 201 KB, 392x373, 1531149013694.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm pretty new (2 months), can someone explain me why the word "まあ" is associated with Matt?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:02:31 No.19555430 File: 478 KB, 1021x1378, 098.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19555041

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:02:32 No.19555431 >>19555420 He uses it a lot as a filler word.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:04:43 No.19555439 >>19555410 Do you really think you're at a level to judge other people's proficiency?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:06:12 No.19555444 when did /DJT/ turn into this faggy ass youtuber fanclub? jesus you guys are so fucking gay when you talk about these people

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:07:28 No.19555449 >>19555439 Yes

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:14:18 No.19555476

>>19551728
I've been debating whether I should get ゼロ or not.

I bought a copy of 見参 long ago. I played some of it, and thought it was fun and cool, but never resumed. I found it really intimidating for my Japanese level at the time. I just wanted games at the time that could provide fun mining opportunities, and I'd heard a lot of good things about the series. It was disappointing to drop it like so many other things I picked up.

I'm aware of the guides on YT and the net, but I don't want to just be reading English and going back and forth on a Japanese game--that won't improve my Japanese much at all. If I was to use those resources, they would be for confirming text. Yet, 見参 is so text heavy that I would worry about getting discouraged too much and quitting. I have similar worries about ゼロ、though I imagine it might be slightly easier due to more modern vocabulary usage. Probably cleaner and sharper text fonts compared to the PS3 version too.

>>19551735
>people are afraid to take charge of their own shit and plunge headlong into the unknown alone

My JP is still fairly shit. What do you think of me taking on 見参 or ゼロ？I already own 見参、but the pre-order for the new title is going to end soon. Should I just mine VNs or something instead? I am aware that my morale is a finite resource, which is why I am putting so much thought into this. I already have the VNs installed, I just need to set up text hooking.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:14:24 No.19555477 >>19555444 ゆーちゅーばー？ぷりみてぃぶてくのろじーのおにいちゃんがすき

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:31:02 No.19555530

How do I git gud at the fucking 1000 words that go like XYXY? They're all so fucking similar and there's hardly ever enough context to make an accurate guess. If you don't know what I mean by XYXY, here are some examples:
スラスラ - Smoothly/Easily
つらつら - carefully
ずらずら - in succession
クラクラ - Dizzy
グラグラ - wobbling/shaking

Sure, some are easy (like wobbling and dizzy), but these are just 6 random examples where I just chose an X from the U sounds and RA as Y, and I already got a word for almost every combination I tried. So how the fuck do you learn this shit?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:33:36 No.19555545 >>19555530 Same way you learn every other word. Eventually it sticks from seeing it enough times in the wild.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:34:50 No.19555551 Has anyone fucked around with that Anki addon that takes subs and makes cards out of them? Worth looking into?

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 07:35:38 No.19555557

>>19555530
onomatopoeic words come naturally for nips but for us gaijins they're the final boss. What I did to make them stick was make sentence cards for them instead of treating them like every other word. The results were kinda shallow as expected but far better than trying to memorize them separately.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 08:03:24 No.19555698 >>19553687 You're supposed to look up words you hear you cretin.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 08:08:37 No.19555736
File: 3.28 MB, 4411x2941, 1522871850168.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

To those who are into VNs, I have these two titles installed right now:
アイカギ：
https://vndb.org/v20232
通心ぼ：
https://vndb.org/v17972

Any thoughts on which of the two might be easier for a novice? Also, does anyone have a link to the latest version of ITHVNR? I heard there's a dedicated site for it now, and the post linked in the new guide seems outdated. Though, if it's not, I'll just use that.

>>19553661
>Retention of words and kanji improves x10 when you encounter them during actual reading be it books, VNs or manga.

I can attest to this, even if I have really shit Japanese. I can read a number of words without struggling to decipher kanji because I learned them through actual content. I've tried to learn through using pre-made decks before, but it just becomes a chore and kills any motivation or love for Japanese. I've decided that dedicated kanji and vocab study are not for me, seeing as I've had quicker, more expedient results just reading here and there with a visual reference to go by.

My only question is what, if at all, should I mine? Rather, how should I prepare content that I want to mine? Format-wise, I'm not sure what is ideal for this kind of study. I want to make it as seamless and natural as possible.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 08:17:36 No.19555777 >>19555410 No he's adamant that he's very far from native level but better than 99.9% of other non-native learners.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 08:30:28 No.19555840 So... does ように work like みたい or ために? These videos are giving me different explanation of ように

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 08:32:19 No.19555844 >>19555840 It works like ように.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 08:36:33 No.19555871 ように the other ようにのようにようにする ???????? 日本語を理解できるようにこのスレを聞きました Is this sentence even right?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:12:16 No.19556024 >>19555871 Wrong, just read more and you would know that ために would be used there. Why do people fuck themselves with grammar so much I don't get it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:16:02 No.19556037 >>19556024 impatience. they think if they don't exert themselves to completely understand everything in a moment they never will. they don't realize n+1 is a thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:17:32 No.19556046 what's the difference between n+1 and i+1? it's both just simply word mining right?

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:18:09 No.19556050

Reading is unnecessary for language learning and is in fact less efficient than isolated vocabulary or grammar study in terms of time spent for the acquisition of either. If you must read, then choose content that is relatively difficult, dense, and illustrative of novel or currently studied grammatical concepts. You must not move on from one section to another until you understand and can explain everything about the previous section. High-volume, low-effort styles of reading, where the reader breezed through, maybe catching the meaning here or there and skipping the parts where he doesn't, such as that exercised for manga consumption, is the proven least effective method to improve practical language skill for time invested, hence the phrase,"manga isn't reading."

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:19:09 No.19556055 >>19556024 Then what's the difference between ように and ために？ There're just way too many variants that fit the same purpose.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:20:27 No.19556061

>>19555476
you dont need to put thought into anything you just need to spend extensive time with nihongo of all types

i dont know you and i dont know how youre gonna fare reading x hentai game but youre prolly gonna suck balls for a long while

>>19555736
it doesnt matter just pick 1 preferably the 1 that wont get you sent to prison

>>19556050
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2q9C1p4x_NU#t=264

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:27:17 No.19556091

>>19554330
Yotsuba is one of those things where the subject matter is simple enough but since it has alot of slang its harder than stuff like toloveru to a beginner. Its kinda like how they used to recommend game boy games like pokemon that uses kana. Kana only sentences are harder than regular sentences which is why no one recommends that anymore.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:27:29 No.19556092 File: 5 KB, 228x221, hx4Prda.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19556050

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:28:52 No.19556097 >>19554399 Why don't you use animelon, its way easier to use than reading manga? https://animelon.com/series/Barakamon

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:30:44 No.19556105

>>19556091
Agreed, Yotsuba is fucking garbage as a beginner learning manga and people really need to stop recommending it.

It is full of dialects that pervert words and grammar, plus frequently combines words / omits parts of words, etc. Also, some words that have no right to be in full kana are arbitrarily in kana. There's no rhyme or reason to it. It's fucking confusing if you're staring out.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:32:06 No.19556119 yotuba prolly isnt a big deal if youve watched your ichi man hours of anime first like youre supposed to

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:35:10 No.19556135 >>19553869 >I've watched over 4,000 hours of English subbed anime and learned pretty much nothing I watched around 6000 hours and could understand natives speaking and watch anime raw

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:35:11 No.19556136

>>19556092
>>19556061
Gee, look at these persuasive arguments lmao. Stay dekinai friends, I'm off the learn Japanese. Just remember that your pathetic lack of mental fortitude and self-discipline, the kind required for isolated vocabulary study as opposed to skimming through children's picture books, is the reason most of you are NEETs.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:35:36 No.19556139 >>19555022 I don't think it will hurt to be listening early, but it definitely won't help. I used to get headaches from trying to listen to japanese when it was a long duration when I first started.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:37:21 No.19556152 >>19556136 you seem to misunderstand i dont argue i dictate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8ci2qi-Iys#t=63

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:38:22 No.19556157 >>19556136 >I'm off the learn Japanese You should go off the learn English

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:39:22 No.19556166 >>19556139 Well it's basically just like you have to not care that you won't understand 98% of it and focus on the 2% you do know, like what the hell just go study vocab and stop trying to skip ahead to the big boy shit you dumb bitch.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:41:16 No.19556174 File: 221 KB, 1280x1024, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i dont proofread my posts so i dont blame others when they make typos or whatever ←also for that dude

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:41:35 No.19556177 https://youtu.be/88mpNyhDGAU?t=177 https://youtu.be/88mpNyhDGAU?t=177

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:42:16 No.19556185

>>19556166
Yep, its a waste of time until you have some vocab under your belt but if you can incorporate it into your study, there is no reason to put it off unless its taking your time away. That's why the guide recommends voiced vn's and watching anime with japanese subs.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:42:59 No.19556190 dang steve lookin fresh in that vid like he just got done doin an oil change

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:43:22 No.19556194 >>19556185 >watching anime with japanese subs. Don't fall into netflix propaganda.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:44:35 No.19556203 your anime needs to have subtitles in your native language

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:44:58 No.19556207 Hanahira! is the only VN on the reading list that is listed as easy, are there any other beginner tier VNs you guys would recommend?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:45:00 No.19556208 >>19556194 https://animelon.com/video/57e51919e0afb465b74b544c Use animelon before it gets taken down.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:46:56 No.19556219 >>19556194 >>19556208 Just downloads subs you tards.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:48:15 No.19556227 File: 357 KB, 2069x969, hentai chart.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19556207 i know what you really want dude here you go

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:48:52 No.19556233 File: 1021 KB, 500x281, 1519753366878.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'M SO SICK OF READING MANGA WITH FUCKING TINY BLURRY FURIGANA FUUUUUUUUUUCK PLEASE KILL YOURSELF IF YOU UPLOAD SHIT COPIES LIKE THAT

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:49:49 No.19556238 >>19556233 you ever consider that youre not the target audience for those uploads? do you need lingo steve to also read them to you?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:50:41 No.19556243 if you need furigana don't you need a dictionary anyway to know the word in which case what is the point of furigana???

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:50:50 No.19556244

>>19556233
Furigana is a crutch and those scans are doing nothing but helping you to progress. Also all raw scans are shit you're just going to have to deal with it. Even official digital releases are garbage most of the time and physical copies have furigana for ants too.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:51:32 No.19556247 File: 551 KB, 835x762, screenshot.14.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19556219 Yea, I love re-timing them and downloading a whole season when I can just stream it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:53:46 No.19556259 >>19556233 >furigana spelling is different than the kanji spelling for symbolism/metaphor purpose >furigana is unreadable because the scan is shit

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:54:08 No.19556261 >>19556247 re-timing is a good enough reason but having to download an entire season is never a negative unless you're a retard

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:54:59 No.19556265

>>19556247
>re-timing
Yeah opening the video pausing at the point the first line of dialogue starts and then holding 'z', or whatever your players hotkey for negative subtitle delay is, until the dialogue appears takes a huge amount of time and is extremely hard.

>downloading is bad
I want summer to leave.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:55:31 No.19556270 my computer doesnt have enough megabytes to download so streaming is the way to go

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:56:55 No.19556278 >>19556265 You are most likely downloading trash anime that has jap subs. You are also not going to understand much in the beginning. Its pretty dumb to do all that work and waste space when animelon streamlines and spoonfeeds it for you.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:57:43 No.19556282 heres your summer homework understand https://animelon.com/series/Charlotte

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 09:59:53 No.19556297

>>19556278
>all that work
If you think holding down a key for 3 seconds is an inordinate amount of work, I'm not sure how you ever intend on learning Japanese.

>and waste space
I know this might be hard for you to believe, but you can actually delete the files when you're done watching them. Hell you can even download the episodes 1 at a time if you want.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:00:34 No.19556302 >>19556282 I don't watch garbage anime.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:01:07 No.19556310 >>19556302 then fear not

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:02:58 No.19556319 >>19556297 Mostly popular anime(trash) are the only ones that will have jap subs? Its also 2018 and streaming is better. In 2008 it made sense to download everything thing but now I only download anime I really want to watch.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:03:55 No.19556325

>>19556024
...That's correct, though. You can use it like that. Specifically the phrase できるよう is very common. Here's are examples:
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/search?query="できるように"&from=jpn&to=eng
https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/141118

That doesn't mean the two are interchangeable, though. You can't use ように about a noun in the same way as ために for example.

○　雨のために傘を持ち歩く
　雨のように傘を持ち歩く

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:04:25 No.19556328 you can't just hold down a key half the time you fucking retard. most "japanese" subtitles have timings that are all over the place because of commercial cuts and shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:05:26 No.19556334 >>19556325 There was supposed to be an X on the second one. The former is correct while the latter is not.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:05:50 No.19556336

>>19556319
>Its also 2018 and streaming is better. In 2008 it made sense to download everything thing but now I only download anime I really want to watch.
Streaming is far worse if you're trying to do something like use media to learn a language with subtitles, in a situation where you want to be able to toggle subtitles on/off quickly (if you're watching with subs on constantly you might as well just read), and probably want to be able to have seeking that doesn't fucking suck to re-listen to lines you missed.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:06:51 No.19556343

i'm making level one in wanikani and i don't get why the file sound pronunciation it's different from what it's written in hiragana: with あがる i hear annaru, but が it's ga? so why he pronounces it na? same with さげる, pronounced sanieru but it's written sageru, what am i missing here?

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:07:53 No.19556348

>>19556328
Yes you can. You typically only need to re-time at the beginning of the subs and then after the mid-point. Both times the re-time is literally just holding down a key until the subtitle matches the first line of dialogue. It's not at all difficult and it takes practically no time. Even if they do desync more than twice it's still a complete non-issue to fix if you dont have brain damage.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:08:20 No.19556351 >>19556336 Have you checked out animelon, you can do all of that stuff even easier(dumbed down) than with your video program? And you can easily rewind five seconds back just like with mpv.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:08:22 No.19556352 streaming is fine if it meets your needs playing it in your divx player with your klite codec pak is also fine if it meets your needs stfu nerds

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:09:18 No.19556359 >>19556328 there is one fucking commercial cut in the middle of the episode

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:09:51 No.19556363 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOWJ2Vdk3jo

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:11:15 No.19556369 >>19556351 Seeking is fucking garbage in the animelon player. Toggling subtitles requires more than just a quick keyboard shortcut.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:13:13 No.19556374 >>19556369 It take a hover and one click. When was the last time you used it? Its different/better then it was when I first used it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:14:38 No.19556387 >>19556227 i was actually hoping for some basic level non-h VNs

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:16:46 No.19556396 >>19556387 theres multiple games with no porno in them there

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:17:13 No.19556398 File: 3.26 MB, 3840x2160, 2018-08-01 09_15_34-.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19556369

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:17:48 No.19556401 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F8xpgcw8oM

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:18:44 No.19556405 If you're not learning nihongo to masturbate then you're not gonna make it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:18:51 No.19556408 >>19556396 where? again the reading list only has one VN listed as easy

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:19:19 No.19556411 >>19556282 >watch it >first 2 lines are already wow edgy so deep lines Okay, this is going to be fun.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:21:24 No.19556421 >>19556398 im that lone lil fit tab in the corner >>19556408 the hentai chart is mostly hentai games but theres also not hentai games? check em out >>19556411 best of luck

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:23:06 No.19556425 >>19556421 I thought you were fat.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:25:24 No.19556438

Hi! I’ve been doing an internship here in Japan for about a month and I would like to express my gratitude to my teammates especially my mentor when I leave tomorrow. I might come back a year after but not set in stone. How would I go about doing that?

Thank you in advance.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:25:30 No.19556439 >>19556405 in the first few seconds post nut i stop wanting to learn japanese every fuckin time maybe its not worth it after all?? >>19556425 im not fat im about the same as lingo steve actually

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:26:53 No.19556447 >>19556438 またね～

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:27:43 No.19556451

Is it possible to buy a nintendo switch and practice japanese with the games on it? Or are all the games restricted to local regions? If so, how do I get a switch in Canada and get games without paying extra? I don't have a card with zero transaction fees.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:27:50 No.19556453 >>19556438 おまえわもうしんでる

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:27:57 No.19556454 >>19556438 say お世話になりました and bow your head

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:28:13 No.19556455 >>19556421 fit is unironically a good board, especially for self improvement. Its probably because the user base is older because before it used to be r9klite.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:28:53 No.19556459 >>19556451 no restrictions, can change language on any console at any time get octopath you turbofaggot, it's good.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:29:48 No.19556464 thing is playstation does all the things nintendont

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:29:55 No.19556467 >>19556421 I decided to try out Ef. Wish me luck!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:31:22 No.19556473 >>19556467 trash game trash company and you will prolly fuckin quit within an hour due to your lack of ability just fuckin read https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9rv_cVvUSU

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:32:24 No.19556475 >>19556473 anon i need some fucking blood in my brain to learn alright, with that game all the blood will be in my dick

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:34:07 No.19556486 ill let you in on a secret only the most woke of ninjas know your dick learns nihongo faster than your brain

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:34:10 No.19556487 >>19556438 わたくしわゲイです。

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:39:28 No.19556525 I usually skip ero scenes because they have so much vocabulary I don't know

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:40:22 No.19556527 >>19556459 >octopath thanks for the recommendation, any other games I should try out?

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:42:30 No.19556539

>>19556527
There's only Odyssey and Zelda, neither of which would be good for learning as one is a platformer and the other is open world. Octopath is the only one I'd bother playing in Japanese since it's mostly an RPG. Switch also has Dark Souls now but I don't know why you wouldn't play that on PC, but I suppose if your PC can't run an 8 year old game then you can get that too.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:42:44 No.19556543 >>19556527 You want to play a game with super liberal "translation" to learn Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:43:17 No.19556548 >>19556527 fire emblem

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:45:02 No.19556560 >>19556097 >>19556233 Manga isn't even reading in the first place. >>19556139 Have you tried amphetamines

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:45:17 No.19556562
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>>19556548
There's no "FE" on switch unless you mean warriors but fuck that.

>>19556473
I downloaded Ef and it is in fucking English. I'm news to VNs how the fuck do I fix this shit?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:45:25 No.19556564 File: 24 KB, 258x150, Screenshot_01082018_2141797947644.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Oh come on, not the 冷 bullshit again.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:46:24 No.19556568 >>19556525 Think of it this way: once you learn to read one, you can essentially read them all.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:46:34 No.19556570 >>19556562 ahahah

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:47:56 No.19556578 >>19556568 except romeos where he challenges your ability to interpret whether or not anyones actually having sex at all and youre just a perverted sicko

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:49:26 No.19556587 >>19556568 Not really, there are some that are just "dick in pussy ah ah" and then there are some that are way too descriptive.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:53:47 No.19556610 File: 56 KB, 583x435, 1517748702990.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >と思います

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:58:11 No.19556624 >>19556562 >how the fuck do I fix this shit? You download the Japanese version on some godforsaken Chinese torrent site.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 10:59:37 No.19556631 >>19556624 I'm usually good at finding shit but these VNs are pissing me off, they are all either english or not seeded. And I'm not gonna download some 10 part file.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:00:28 No.19556634 >>19556543 I took three years of japanese in university, but I still suck. I like good games, but there is a limit to my ability. If possible, I would like to start off with a game with more casual language and transition from there.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:02:08 No.19556641 >>19556631 AB has both english and nip versions

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:02:45 No.19556647 >>19556207 Flyable Heart is incredibly easy overall. I struggled a bit in the beginning, but by the end of Amane's route I barely used texthooker.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:04:37 No.19556660 it also sucks fuckin BALLS

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:05:03 No.19556662 >>19556610 >と思う

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:07:33 No.19556678 Looking at japanese makes me sick. I just want to avert my eyes when I look at it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:07:36 No.19556679 I don't care about the story I just wanna learn and not have 20 new words on every screen.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:08:21 No.19556681 File: 134 KB, 1000x1000, cf340.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any place I can find Japanese documentaries? Preferably with Japanese subtitles.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:08:52 No.19556688 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD6RHQ0S_VI

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:10:25 No.19556701 >>19556681 http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm26429505 i got you senpai

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:13:14 No.19556729 >>19556678 Yea they have horrible teeth.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:16:28 No.19556764 What's this 草 shit that people constantly drop after their comments on YouTube? I assume they're not talking about grass.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:19:26 No.19556791 >>19556764 Cmon I am entry level and even I know that means laughing

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:20:26 No.19556799 >>19556791 Fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:27:31 No.19556850 it's even in jisho do you know how to use a dictionary?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:28:00 No.19556857 Why do people sentence mine for flash cards? You're just reading the same sentence over and over. Like at least for vocab it makes sense, but sentences seems kind of odd / useless.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:28:03 No.19556859 File: 13 KB, 1917x116, here.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19556850

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:30:06 No.19556875 >>19556859 your dictionary is out of date, there should be a (4) (sl) laughter; LOL; (P)

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:32:05 No.19556887 is there an urbandictionary for japanese, particularly japanese imageboards

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:36:31 No.19556905 >>19556887 nicovideo's dictionary is essentially that.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:37:42 No.19556910 >>19556875 It's so hard just to make this TA application work at all. And all the download links are on obscure sites that I need to combine files from multiple different version just to make it work every time I install it on different computer.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:41:58 No.19556940 File: 27 KB, 512x384, osaka_internet.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19556910 >TA application ???

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:47:40 No.19556973 >>19556940 Translator Aggregator

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:50:51 No.19556987 >>19556857 Oh you've done it now

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:57:51 No.19557032 I marked a few cards as "good" that I missed today because I didn't want my reviews to pile up.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 11:59:40 No.19557046 may as well just hold down the space bar 100% recollection

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:01:33 No.19557060 >>19557046 Yea but I still got most out of my reviews today. Don't make me feel guilty.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:05:13 No.19557080 >>19557060 you have a problem if you can't manage the guilt of a few cards marked wrong if it really bothers you, set the percentage interval on lapse to something higher e.g. 50%, that way you still get a decent interval when you miss something

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:06:36 No.19557087 >>19557080 I can manage it but don't make it happen.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:09:10 No.19557105 I'm the opposite. I mark cards as "again" even if I make a slight cosmetic error e.g. the angle of a stroke is not quite perfect or if I only fluke it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:11:10 No.19557111 >>19557105 When my reviews dip below 100 I'll start doing that. That's going to take 3 months though.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:16:26 No.19557138
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>テープレコーダー
>common word
>included in Core
Who the fuck uses tape recorders in 2018?
I'm 22 and I've never seen one in my life.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:37:40 No.19557254 >>19557138 At 22 you're still too young to remember those. I am 27 and used them for awhile as a kid. Regardless, common words are relative. I wouldn't say that's an uncommon word.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:47:41 No.19557323
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>>19551547
>〆
It's a shorthand called 表外字（ひょうがいじ）There are a bunch of them around, the most common one is the ます one 〼 which you sometimes see on notices in local shops and market stalls. especially in more rural areas.

So you'd read 〆切り as　締め切り　（しめぎり）

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:54:41 No.19557372 >>19554272 Rikai-chan/kun is your friend

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 12:59:33 No.19557402 File: 64 KB, 263x386, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19557372 Anyone get this kind of gibberish when trying to install a VN? It won't even install.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:00:36 No.19557413 >>19557402 Didn't mean to quote anybody.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:00:52 No.19557414 >>19557402 upgrade to windows 7 and switch to japanese locale

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:01:33 No.19557418 >>19557402 non unicode to japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:01:43 No.19557419 >>19557414 I switched to Japanese. I downloaded an ISO instead of the game but I couldn't find anything else. This is so aggravating.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:02:41 No.19557428 >>19557414 >>19557418 Just use a locale emulator, you dirty weebs. I bet you also enjoy the yen signs in the command line.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:02:49 No.19557429 >>19557419 Not your UI, your locale. They're different.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:03:34 No.19557436

I told someone in one of these threads a week or two ago that it's impossible to change your locale without changing your system's language and they said I was wrong and that changing your locale to Japanese will just change slashes to yen signs. You were right, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:03:42 No.19557437 >>19557428 I enjoy not seeing filthy chink characters

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:07:01 No.19557456 >>19557437 Then why learn Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:07:51 No.19557462 >>19555310 You use はくし when you are referring to a doctorate degree, it's on'yomi which is how a lot of technical words are read. https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/summary/kotoba/gimon/092.html

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:08:22 No.19557464 Really, are there any disadvantages to using Japanese locale other than the yen thing (which I don't even notice anymore)?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:09:54 No.19557472 >>19555477 You need to use more katakana.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:10:24 No.19557475

>>19557429
Yeah, I'm aware. I just didn't restart my system. I remember back in the day you had to get a program called App Locale to do this, it's nice they have it integrated now.

I think it's gonna still fuck up during install but at least I'll be able to see the error message now.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:11:14 No.19557479 i hope you get to play libble budsters

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:13:23 No.19557494 >>19557464 It makes buggy Japanese software less buggy.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:15:12 No.19557504 File: 14 KB, 408x201, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19557479 I think it wants me to boot up disk 2 and proceed but nothing happens when I do. How obnoxious.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:17:01 No.19557519 >>19557504 unmount disk 1 and mount disk 2 then press ok

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:18:42 No.19557524 File: 725 KB, 2448x3264, Rp3ypY9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19557504 i truly hope you can play libble budsterbs someday

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:20:06 No.19557530 >>19557494 not sure if disadvantage..

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:20:33 No.19557531 >>19557530 Do you want to play games that crash if you're not in Japanese locale?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:21:46 No.19557537 >>19557531 Psst: not above poster but the post you quoted asked for disadvantages.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:22:30 No.19557540 bring back flags

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:22:49 No.19557543 >>19557537 The only real disadvantage is the yen symbols in the windows explorer address bar.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:23:23 No.19557549 anyone else have folders full of hundreds of files, and dozens of bookmarks in their browsers for learning japanese? i spend my time downloading stuff off CoR and other sites instead of learning japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:23:32 No.19557550 thats not a disadvantage it keeps you always aware of the most important thing in life

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:24:17 No.19557553 >>19556729 Not worse than the British tho

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:25:12 No.19557561 File: 9 KB, 336x167, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19557519 Thank you sir. Now I gotta figure this shit out because the exe doesn't launch. This isn't the kind of practice I was hoping for.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:25:42 No.19557567 >>19557437 Imagine being this retarded

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:26:05 No.19557571 >>19557561 you need alpharomdie

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:26:40 No.19557578 >>19557567 this but at this >>19557561 for the love of god can som1 just boot up libble bathstars on this kids computer

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:27:11 No.19557581 >>19557571 I have it, well it comes with it. I dragged the exe into the interface and get more messages. Maybe I should try to decipher those next. I'll be fucking n3 by the time this is over.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:27:46 No.19557582 >>19557561 You got a pirate disk ｗｗｗ草草草

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:28:07 No.19557586 >>19557582 You don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:28:13 No.19557587 >>19557578 Ironic since I'm a CS major, you would think this shit would be no problem.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:28:39 No.19557590 >>19557581 remount disk 1

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:28:39 No.19557591 >>19557464 Some programs use your locale to set which language they show in the installer. So when I install stuff like Nvidia drivers everything is in Japanese. That is the only problem I've ever noticed.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:28:56 No.19557593

i dont want to dissuade u from attempting to read liter bathtubs but like if u cant read those simple error messages you have no hope at even understanding what the gifted mind of jun maeda is even going to try to teach you in this now classic key epic

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:30:34 No.19557599 >>19557593 I can read them with time, anon-kun. Why do you think I'm starting with this one?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:30:56 No.19557602 >>19557586 I don't know computers or VNs but I sure know Japanese and it's asking for an original disk.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:32:02 No.19557611 >>19557599 u should be starting with aquablue but if your heart really desires teh kudz0rz i really cant stomp all over your determination because its determination that gets you the nihongo power you desire

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:32:09 No.19557612 >>19557602 Yes because he downloaded ISOs of it online. He doesn't have a physical disk.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:32:52 No.19557617 >>19557611 is that really you jamal

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:33:23 No.19557623 >>19557612 Obviously, not like I can go to gamestop and pick up a copy of lidl bustars. Alpharomdie isn't working though so fuck it, I'll play that aqua shit.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:34:05 No.19557627 >>19557623 if you give up this quickly is it really pirazy

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:34:18 No.19557628 by the way how new to this rodeo are you for real extract mount install copy the crack play the game and enjoy greetz >>19557617 sorry didnt mean raise my ki level suddenly like that

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:35:14 No.19557634 >>19557612 So he should just mount the right ISO

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:35:54 No.19557638 >>19557628 Did all this. >>19557627 I looked into it and a lot of people seem to be having trouble with the software, and there are a bunch of other LNs out there so why bother with this one?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:35:57 No.19557639 shut up guys hes gonna play that aqua shit this kids gonna make it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:36:01 No.19557640 >>19557634 No he has to get the right version of alpharomdie or find a game-specific crack for that version of the game.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:36:14 No.19557642 File: 1.64 MB, 1282x993, the djt crew.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:37:00 No.19557648 >>19557639 only if you believe in me hard enough

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:38:28 No.19557657 >>19557638 look you still gotta play the aqua shit first but because i like you https://azure.kdays.cn/uploads/alpharomdie/AlphaROMdiE-Build20140214.rar make sure to run as admin good luck in everything u do

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:40:22 No.19557667 File: 456 KB, 358x707, dekinai.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 溺亡い

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:41:42 No.19557671 >>19557657 I figured the next shit out, it created a shortcut that had to be run as administrator (trial and error). Now it says it is only for Japan even though my non-unicorn and system locale are both set to Japan. Nani the fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:42:32 No.19557674 >>19557671 for key games you need an actual crack

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:46:36 No.19557700 >>19557674 You version of alpharom worked, I did the same thing over again. Hate when it's just shit like that.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:47:24 No.19557705 >>19557671 You're gonna make it. You're gonna play your diddle bubsters. I believe in you.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:47:29 No.19557708 >>19557700 i wasn't the one that posted it but ok

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:47:59 No.19557711 >>19557700 that was me not him very important to note for your future success

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:49:01 No.19557718 >>19557705 no hes playing aqua shit then he can wash up in his liter bathtubs

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:49:32 No.19557726 fiddle thrusters

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:51:15 No.19557734 >>19557705 ありがとうございました >>19557711 Thanks anonymous that wasn't the other anonymous, I apologize. Final boss time, game launches then new error message about disc 2.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:52:31 No.19557748 >>19557734 did you accidentally do a partial install instead of a full install or something

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:53:06 No.19557751 you cant say arigato gozaimasita and then have more fuckin problems you ding dong

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:54:09 No.19557757 How can one man be so unfunny? It doesn't even seem possible.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:55:04 No.19557763 Daily Winbabbs Thrad

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:55:21 No.19557767 your jealousy is palpable

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:55:53 No.19557771 you mean envy

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:56:05 No.19557773

>>19557748
I mounted both during install, it really makes no since that it is still talking about disc 2 when this is the game executable (as far as I can tell). If this was the real game, there would be no discs anymore at this point.

>>19557763
I'm actually pretty good with PCs, I'm just not good with Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:56:22 No.19557777 >>19557751 He was ありがとうございましたing my unconditional support for his bittle luster dreams.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:56:44 No.19557778 lust for my feet

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:56:54 No.19557780 >>19557773 if it's asking for a disc there are only two possibilities 1: the crack didn't work 2: you did a partial install and it's trying to read data files from the disc and failing

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:58:20 No.19557790 pretty sure the crack worked when the actual vn engine launches you are basically neo in the matrix at that point so its some other noob shit

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:58:26 No.19557791 >>19557773 Man, are you living is some sort of a manzai act?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 13:59:20 No.19557795 hes my comedic partner and crime and were having lots of fun

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:00:47 No.19557808

>>19557780
I came to the same conclusion, though the metadata I saw for the game showed 4.5gb install size, and that is what I have in the game folder, so it should be a full install. It could be the crack but this is really not worth the fuckin effort at this point.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:01:26 No.19557815 File: 53 KB, 148x535, rwrwtwr.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Am I retarded or are those not even real words?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:05:00 No.19557831 >>19557815 It's Eye of the Dragon but someone cut off the N like an illiterate.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:05:29 No.19557835 >>19557815 you are very very retarded very

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:05:48 No.19557836 >>19557808 if mounting disc2 didnt work then just delete everything and start over but you need to be playing aqua shit anyway so id get on that

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:05:53 No.19557838 >>19557815 It's obviously Aiobu, The Tiger.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:06:01 No.19557839 >>19557815 >>19557831 Fuck. No. It's Tiger. I'm the illiterate. Please forgive.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:07:05 No.19557848 >>19557835 It's stylized, be nice.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:07:14 No.19557851 File: 224 KB, 800x500, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey guys first time nihongoer here havin some trouble i dont even think these are real words

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:09:39 No.19557869 File: 156 KB, 500x282, tumblr_inline_ovos6l18yS1ss37we_500.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19557851 >That kerning. This is why kanji exist. They're all real words babby nihongoer.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:10:47 No.19557876
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>>19557836
It comes with 4 archived files, 2 of which can be ignored. But of the other 2, the first has "disc 1" and "disc 2" in it, the 2nd has just disc 2 in it, but the disc 2s are different sizes. So there's literally 2 disc 2's and it accepts either of them for install. I'll just try once more and if no luck I'll play your fucking Aqua game.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:11:35 No.19557881 >>19557876 im just saying to start over because god knows what you fucked up before i gave you the right alpharomdie but yes play my aqua game immediately

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:11:45 No.19557883 >>19557869 ｶｰﾆﾝｸﾞﾊｲｲﾄｵﾓｳ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:15:19 No.19557902 >>19557883 Half-width is so disgusting. I never see it outside of mojibake.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:15:31 No.19557904 >>19557881 It's really straight forward now that I know what it was telling me. There's nothing to fuck up, I've cracked much harder shit than this. The iso is 8 years old so it probably just doesn't like something about a new windows patch.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:19:06 No.19557923 no clue because i dont know what your latest problem is!!! but even if it was a winblows problem if the engine launches at all i think the probability is extremely high (at least 69%) that the game can run in whatever hellspawn os youre using

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:23:38 No.19557941 >>19557883 よく見れば確かにカーニングは悪くない、けどそのカタカナ・モノスペースのコンビネーションはダメだ。気持ち悪い。

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:29:24 No.19557966 >>19557902 It is used all the time in AA

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:29:30 No.19557967 File: 1023 KB, 1879x1077, little busters.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] i fucking did it bros

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:29:49 No.19557969 >>19557967 good job man

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:30:24 No.19557971 >>19557967 now close it and play aqua shit a deals a deal

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:33:20 No.19557986 >>19557667 drowning deceased

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:33:32 No.19557989 File: 51 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19557967 YES! WELL DONE. I knew you had it in you!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:36:14 No.19558014 now its only a matter of time before the fated day comes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsuQu38n1qY even has really great quality subs for your spoiling pleasure lmao

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:48:12 No.19558109 Fell off the anki wagon, 1500 reviews due after a week or two of not doing it. Do I just completely stop using anki and read? I don't have much time to myself these days. At the same time, I'm very worried that I won't retain any vocab from reading.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:51:26 No.19558128 >>19558109 just read and listen

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:52:46 No.19558138

I can't even begin to imagine skipping reviews for a single day, let alone a week. Either I do this shit every day or I just quit entirely and start learning real Japanese. But I'm not about to go learn Japanese so I'm gonna make sure I get these reviews done.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:53:07 No.19558140 imagine being too afraid to learn nihongo

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:55:13 No.19558158 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGtBi1ctzRI

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:56:29 No.19558164

>>19558128
>>19558138
>>19558140
I should've mentioned, I used to read and do anki every day, but now I only have time for either/or, so I've been only reading. My issue is that from past experience, I know for a fact that I barely retain vocab from reading, so dropping anki is worrying me.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:58:13 No.19558177 when you know why you should use flashcards and only when you know is it okay to use them every time you do anything involving nihongo ask yourself what nobita sensei would think abotu it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:59:13 No.19558184 >>19558140 Afraid? Heh, that's where you're wrong kid. I'm doing the optimized route as developed by perhaps the greatest Japanese learner that has ever existed.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 14:59:57 No.19558189 What are you guys reading/watching? I've been reading some horny stories on　エッチ体験談. It's fairly simple Japanese. Like the equivalent of 4chan level 英語 There's also a comfy docuseries on YouTubed called ザ・ノンフィクション that I like. 90s vibes

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:00:22 No.19558191 hmm philosophy time boys whats worse being too afraid to walk forward or blindly marching towards a dead end that spells your doom

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:01:06 No.19558198 I'm a girl.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:01:38 No.19558203 Rock and roll and walk until you die.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:02:06 No.19558210 >>19558189 >What are you guys reading/watching? Nothing at the moment. I start reading and watching at the end of September, maybe sooner if I up my daily kanji to 50 at some point.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:02:07 No.19558211 >>19558189 蒼の彼方のフォーリズム

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:02:13 No.19558213 >>19558198 me as well feels so good to know im not the only one

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:02:32 No.19558215 >>19558191 "You Miss 100 percent of the Anki cards you don't review." - That Balding Dude

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:03:34 No.19558221 >>19558211 君ゲイだろうか

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:04:51 No.19558232 >>19558221 真白ちゃんが男ならまぁそうなるだろうね

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:05:05 No.19558235 >>19558215 "you miss 100% of the aids you dont contract" -わたし sounds good

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:07:27 No.19558249 >>19558191 "only reading" and "not doing anki" lead to the same place, though. I know this because it's what matt told me secretly

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:07:38 No.19558252 >>19558232 ちんちんの存在は重要わけではない。女の気持ちだけが必要。君はきっと立派な人。

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:08:52 No.19558259 listen to nobita sensei not matt chan loveとpeace

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:09:46 No.19558265 >>19558259 ラブ＆PISS

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:10:55 No.19558271 File: 7 KB, 133x461, Summer Pockets.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19558189 Reading: Summer Pockets Watching: Eureka Seven

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:11:01 No.19558272 >>19558252 ok and now one more time but in nihongo onegaisimas >>19558265 holy shit djts getting quicker on the uptake

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:11:48 No.19558279
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>>19558189
I'm reading Penguin Highway in preparation for the movie. The narrator is a very precocious 4th grade boy so while it's not grade school nihongo it's definitely a light read.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:13:30 No.19558292 >>19553779 >trusting those fucking dekinais, basically me with a larger nip vocabulary, failing at least once in every episode Thanks, I'm good.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:14:08 No.19558298

>>19556177
He talks about re-listening to audio that accompanies beginner written material that you've read but is there good stuff like that for Japanese?

Shortish texts/stories for beginners that are completely narrated? Someone compiled native audio for example sentences in Tae Kim so I'm probably just going to listen to that all week.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:15:31 No.19558310 >>19558189 reading: 触手ハンターののか～モンスターの拘束攻撃で植卵着床の危機！～ watching: ゆらぎ荘の幽奈さん

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:15:57 No.19558313 >>19556701 thanks, just what i needed

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:21:53 No.19558356 >>19558189 Reading Erewhon, not watching anything because that's gay

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:25:31 No.19558380 >>19556701 >http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm26429505 神

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:27:20 No.19558388 How is this translated? そして二人はそのまま体を重ね合わせていく… especially this part? 体を重ね合わせていく "Then the two immediately overlap their bodies..." is what i got, but it sounds weird. They are about to have sex tho.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:31:58 No.19558408 File: 63 KB, 1274x100, file.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is Tae Kim /ourguy/?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:32:49 No.19558410 File: 2.00 MB, 500x578, 1508458373363.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19558292 Worked for me

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:33:01 No.19558411 house, inside thanks RTK

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:37:15 No.19558432 >>19558388 pretend 重ねる is the pen0r and pretend 合わせる is the vagin0r

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:38:17 No.19558441 >>19558408 The 家 here is "family", not literally "house". Last I checked the tradition of taking the husband's surname is still alive in Japan, the rabid feminists are getting triggered over bullshit again.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:38:21 No.19558442 >>19558388 Piling up and being put together. Makes sense to me for sex. I guess more natural English would be "they embraced."

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:39:23 No.19558447 >>19558441 Which feminist(s) got triggered in this situation?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:44:55 No.19558490 >>19558447 The ones that said 家内 was politically incorrect. Provided they actually exist, of course.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:47:03 No.19558503 >>19558388 Something like: 'pushing/grinding into one another.'? Also I'd translate そのまま as 'just like that' rather than 'immediately'. >Then, just like that, the two were pushing their bodies into one another... etc etc

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:48:04 No.19558514 sounds like youre ready for scanlating

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:48:15 No.19558516 I've watched probably 30-40 subbed anime this summer and it hasn't improved my Japanese at all. What gives lads??

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:49:40 No.19558523 not my problem

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:50:13 No.19558527 >>19558516 You forgot to turn the subs off

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:50:39 No.19558530 File: 363 KB, 547x1380, rtk3.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >ugh I don't wanna do RTK 3 there are too many plant names :(

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:51:18 No.19558533 >>19558527 >not watching old ass anime with encoded subtitles

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:51:56 No.19558539 >>19558530 >more kanji than the 2,042 I had learned with his method Stopped reading right there, RTK doesn't teach you kanji.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:52:59 No.19558548 >tfw had to watch the entirety of Blood+ with the subtitles for the dub because proper subs literally do not exist on the internet

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:56:19 No.19558580 >>19558514 but will I get the $$$ for it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:56:21 No.19558581 ever consider blood+ is just real fucken bad?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:57:21 No.19558596 >>19558516 ur 2 dumb

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:57:22 No.19558598 >>19558580 that depends on you

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 15:59:03 No.19558610 File: 579 KB, 1280x720, [AnimeKaizoku] Nisekoi 17 [720p][BD][dedsec]_[00:05:09.099].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19558533 >watching pre-2010 anime Don't forget to take your meds, grandpa.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:00:46 No.19558620 >pre2010 anime lmao i guess theres teenagers that might see this as a thing

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:02:33 No.19558636 >post 1973 anime i bet youve spent more time posting on twitter than you have breathing lol

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:02:53 No.19558639 haruhi? no thanks im not interested in anime my dad would watch

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:03:25 No.19558642 Hajime no Ippo is better than all sports anime that came after.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:04:01 No.19558646 ashita no joe is better than all sports anime that came after

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:04:13 No.19558648 For me it's K, the most underrated anime.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:05:05 No.19558655 >>19558598 How does one monetise? I say as I get ready to translate Hataraku Saibou BLACK for /a/ for free.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:05:45 No.19558662 Initial D is better than all sports anime which came before or after.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:06:30 No.19558668 yeah but there are like 200 betters ones that aired during so uh

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:06:47 No.19558673 naurto is objectively the greatest anime of all time

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:10:27 No.19558705 Is VNR the recommended VN text hooker?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:10:54 No.19558707 File: 82 KB, 1280x720, shin posting crew.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:11:56 No.19558713 >>19558705 no your mom is

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:15:06 No.19558737
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To that guy, who was talking about learning Japanese using English subtitles.

>や　やばい。これは　敬語メドゥサだ！ (When Medusa is über-pissed she starts speaking politely)
> "This isn't good... Medusa's in passive-aggressive mode!"

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:17:51 No.19558757 If I have a vocab of 7k words and never took the JLPT before is it worth doing N4 right off the bat? My grammar is kinda shit but I will have plenty of time to fix that I just think N5 is a little to easy for me.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:18:23 No.19558762 わたしはüberゲイ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:18:39 No.19558764 >>19558757 You should probably aim for at least N3

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:19:24 No.19558770 >>19558757 vocab of 7000 words? prove it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:20:23 No.19558780 >>19558770 I just hit the 7k mark today by the time the test if here I would have easily remembered a good portion of them been doing nip for about 3 years and spend a lot of time on it. This isn't a dick flexing contest anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:20:23 No.19558781 >>19558757 Read and listen for another year, minimum 4 hours a day, and then do JLPT N1 and pass with flying colors.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:21:40 No.19558787 >>19558780 i just dont believe you have a working vocabulary of 7000 words while asking that question sorry

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:23:29 No.19558800 >>19558787 I don't read that often which is why I ask that question because reading is ____scary______

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:26:38 No.19558822 thats why its important to not confuse people and say exactly what you mean: youve done 7000 different flashcards

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:28:14 No.19558834 you've spent 3 years learning japanese and you still don't read because you find it scary? can DJT set up a support group for people like me who get depressed knowing people "learn" the language for years without actually learning the language

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:28:25 No.19558838 >>19558822 I have no clue of the exact number I'm fluent with.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:29:19 No.19558849 >>19558838 sounds like a pretty stupid metric to use when self-assessing ability then huh

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:29:59 No.19558856

Reading is scary when there's no way to know whether or not you're actually understanding anything or if you're misinterpreting everything and basically creating your own language made out of fuckups as you go. How am I to know whether I'm understanding things properly

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:30:32 No.19558862 >>19558834 theres already one http://idontwork.asia/

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:30:33 No.19558863 >>19558800 What is your objective then? Are you studying nip to watch anime?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:31:03 No.19558866 >>19558863 Get a job in the translation business whether it being doing animu or vidya or whatever.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:31:52 No.19558872 oh great its one of those yall can handle this one i got some shit to do

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:33:21 No.19558885 >>19558866 The great thing about being a translator is that nobody knows if you're making bullshit up as you go until long after the fact

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:35:04 No.19558894 >>19558856 You could read stuff that is already translated and every couple of pages check up if your own interpretation roughly lines up with the translation.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:35:10 No.19558895 >>19558872 Imagine being an elitist about fucking JAPANESE go jerk off to your waifu pillow faggot no one cares about your ability to 1 up other weebs. >>19558885 Kek'd I mean your right but I still want to do a good job.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:36:23 No.19558905

>>19558866
Translating is not that simple. You can speak a language fluently, but absolutely suck at translating.
It's a skill you need to spend years mastering AFTER you've mastered the language. I mean, unless you want to be a dime-a-dozen ESL-tier fansubber.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:37:56 No.19558914

>>19558894
I tried doing that with an LN I was reading but even with my N4 powerlevel I could tell that the "translation" was complete horseshit, with entire chunks of the story just cut out (presumably because the "translator" couldn't understand the text).

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:39:29 No.19558924 >>19558914 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weqgNHa6X4E

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:39:55 No.19558928 >>19558914 Name of the LN?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:40:15 No.19558929 >>19558905 Yea I'm aware its another skill I'm going to have to work at but practice is the only way to reach those levels.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:40:21 No.19558931 Is there any money in translation if you're only N1? It would be nice to get something useful out of it all as a NEET with no other marketable skills

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:40:59 No.19558936 >>19558928 I mean "title". God I'm retarded, time to get some sleep.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:42:00 No.19558940 >>19558931 If you're from a small as 2nd/3rd world country, you can try working at your embassy.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:42:28 No.19558945 >>19558931 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcmJ2qBhUKE

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:43:58 No.19558957 >>19558929 The point is if you're afraid of reading (which should be a walk in the park if you actually want to translate professionally), you're clearly doing something wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 16:55:40 No.19559006 >>19558957 When I finish everything for the day I just want to relax and play vidya in english :^(

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:01:59 No.19559040

>>19558895
i do want to fuck with weebs who arent learning nihongo and instead do tons of stupid shit

however i do want to encourage the ones who do have a chance

its not elitism at all i want everyone to learn nihongo so we can all talk about how our farts smell in it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:08:29 No.19559073 littlebusterfag here shits way too advanced, will have to come back to it in a few months

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:09:38 No.19559081 >>19559006 So you can't relax when playing vidya in Japanese? What have you been doing the past three years?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:10:37 No.19559087 >>19558737 It's almost like you are supposed to watch enough anime that you hear those words multiple times so you can filter out the bad translations Also older anime have more accurate translations

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:12:53 No.19559098 >>19559073 shoulda listened to the chart >>19556227

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:14:32 No.19559115 >>19559087 just casually letting you know this guys fulla shit

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:15:02 No.19559119 >>19556259 That's the worst.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:15:30 No.19559124 >>19559087 OR as an alternative you could watch enough anime and read enough books and learning materials to understand Japanese without having to filter bad translations.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:16:49 No.19559139 >>19559098 It would be that way for any VN I think.. should stick to yotsuba for now like the pleb I am

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:17:33 No.19559146 Does anyone who study core2k/6k also study textbook vocab, but delete duplicate cards?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:18:11 No.19559153 i don't want to learn

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:19:26 No.19559165 Someone give me a word and I will make a card of it for my study deck

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:19:28 No.19559167 >>19559139 just read aqua shit dude

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:20:30 No.19559175 >>19559165 童貞

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:25:02 No.19559211 >>19558705 ITHVNR, not VNR.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:26:01 No.19559217 File: 309 KB, 774x807, 童貞.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19559175 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:26:48 No.19559221 >>19559217 Woah, what show?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:29:11 No.19559238 >>19559217 maria chan..

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:29:40 No.19559242 >>19559221 Maria the 童貞 witch

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:30:06 No.19559247 What the fuck does this mean? >かまうこたねぇ

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:30:17 No.19559249

>>19559081
Honestly I get overwhelmed and nervous because I don't know if I'm fucking words up or misunderstanding the context. I'll suck it up and keep trying. Last game I played in nip was Resident evil 1 and it wasn't that bad (couldn't understand the files tho).

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:31:08 No.19559256 honestly that flash card is truly fitting of a flashcard user i have no objections

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:31:21 No.19559261 >>19559073 At least you tried. Plus your Microsoft Bob adventures amused us all.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:32:09 No.19559265 >>19559249 you suck just accept it and let your suck flow freely its when you stop filling your mind with retarded thoughts that the nihongo can come and occupy that space in your brain

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:35:24 No.19559287 File: 2.73 MB, 750x750, 1486790932527.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19559265 Your right anon I can feel the inner Nihonjin coursing through my veins!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:37:42 No.19559296 >>19559287 made me think of this classic banger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTOhKsYTGoM

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:40:39 No.19559317 I just downloaded nanatsuiro drops and it will be the first text I try to read through with no prior practice except a bit of tae kim. am I gonna make it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:41:07 No.19559322 aqua blue or your gay

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:46:31 No.19559358 I just downloaded arubatorosu koukairoku and it will be the first text I try to read through with no prior practice except a bit of tae kim. am I gonna make it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:48:01 No.19559367 that ones pretty good just download a texthooker to make things easier

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:49:54 No.19559377 >>19559358 i hope this is a shitpost if it's not, godspeed you glorious dumbass

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:50:06 No.19559379 >>19559317 It was even easier than Flyable Heart in my opinion

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:53:10 No.19559394 >>19559377 i hope this is a shitpost if it's not, godspeed you glorious dumbass

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:54:05 No.19559399 >>19559394 secretly i'm just hoping that someone is actually stupid enough to read something like albatross as their first vn

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:55:29 No.19559409 they'll be a pro by the time they're done meanwhile you'll still be there jerking your tiny pecker to shitty rap

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:55:54 No.19559414 >>19559322 Unless you can tell me that it is an easier read than LB then I'm not gonna touch it yet, I only know 400-ish words.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:56:13 No.19559417 >>19559409 That's not jamal.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:56:18 No.19559419 Just downloaded Matt's entire (public) youtube library so I can learn how to learn Japanese. Am I gonna make it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 17:56:45 No.19559423 I just downloaded gjbu and it will be the first text I try to read through with no prior practice except a bit of tae kim. am I gonna make it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:00:39 No.19559442 I actually listened to Maatts 3 hour AJATT story time. Very sad individual.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:03:09 No.19559450 >>19559409 how did you know http://vmashup.com/2uKSdLWV

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:04:01 No.19559453

>>19559442
He realized he had a shitty mentality and has changed it which he explains in his follow up video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6AWM9ueYHM
You need to be respectful and acknowledge that people can make mistakes and they can be better for it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:15:32 No.19559506 *he realized that in exchange for being edgy (read: not a bokutsukai faggot) you get 78 anons and lose 100k redditors

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:18:30 No.19559520 pretty sure matts a boku boy

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:24:20 No.19559547 >>19559453 Can't take my eyes off his balding head.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:26:17 No.19559559 every new matt vid is like a wheres waldo but youre lookin for the piss jug

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:33:39 No.19559599 >>19559506 Both anons and redditors hate him though.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:37:38 No.19559623 i dont hate matt because hes tryin to get his hustle on unfortunately his patreon empire is truly a house of cards and all it takes is someone to do a little huffing and a puffing

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:39:04 No.19559625 >線　 >緑 >the 4 others that look the exact same but i can't remember them

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:42:38 No.19559642 >>19559625 are you sure you're confusing them? DJT told me that you'll distinguish them no problem even without doing isolated study.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 18:46:25 No.19559661 >>19559625 You're probably thinking of 縁 and 綿. Learn your radicals.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:01:12 No.19559726 if you confuse the first letter of a word, and nothing more, let's say :入れる as あれる instead of いれる, and 開ける as いける instead of あける would you mark as it review in 3 days till getting it right or fully reboot it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:02:29 No.19559740 >>19559625 線 has 白 in it so it can't be green. Must be stripes. Gravitate towards the top center of the kanji and look for the right shape of negative space to distinguish them.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:04:45 No.19559760 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELk1dqaEmyk

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:12:24 No.19559815 im ok at reading but listening feels impossible. any one have a similar experience.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:13:44 No.19559822 >>19556097 I'm way past where the anime left off already.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:14:36 No.19559831 >>19559815 Reading is impossible because fuck Kanji. I only know 500 goddamnit.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:15:40 No.19559837 i know japanese but i dont have as big a vocabulary as a well educated japanese person and dont know quite as much kanji and shit but im ok with that

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:20:35 No.19559889 >>19559815 It's easier to delude yourself into believing you're OK at reading because you can look shit up at your own pace. Takes about the same time to get actually good at either.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:22:29 No.19559907 How do I stop subvocalizing? Is it something that just happens naturally or do you need to make a conscious effort? I don't remember how I did it in English because it was a long time ago.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:23:19 No.19559915 >>19559907 You don't want to stop subvocalizing.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:25:02 No.19559932 File: 438 KB, 239x200, 1506063529558.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19559907 >he fell for the subvocalization is bad meme

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:25:14 No.19559933 >>19559915 enjoy destroying your accent

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:26:25 No.19559947 >>19559933 Not a thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:31:11 No.19559989 i had to look up what subvocalize meant just to write this post you shouldnt just subvocalize you should vocalize ftw but only after youve been in the presence of real interactive nihongo that youve interacted with

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:33:08 No.19560006

>>19559989
Subvocalization is just the automatic unintelligible really fast "speech" that happens in your imagination when you read.

It's actually not possible to read with good comprehension without subvocalization because there are so many structures that can be enunciated in different ways to give different meanings, and if you don't subvocalize then your brain doesn't get to test out different enunciation patterhs.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:34:08 No.19560014 >>19560006 though in the process you destroy your accent unfortunately.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:36:35 No.19560033

well yeah the voice in your head owns but i dont think it ruins your enunciation because you never had good enunciation in the first place most likely because you havent been fuckin around with real ninjas on the streets

if you have and frequently do then its not an issue

the only issue is if youre like a matt type whos locked in the toilet reading naurto and reading it in this manner https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCFyD_Q51k

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:36:46 No.19560037 >>19560014 Not a thing.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:36:57 No.19560040 >>19559915 >>19559932 >>19559989 I don't care about my accent. I just want to read faster.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:37:59 No.19560046 >>19560040 My post had nothing to do with accent and everything to do with speedreading involving suppressing subvocalization being a meme.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:38:51 No.19560054 im surprised something like that can even happen for someone its not even something i would think about

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:39:24 No.19560055 >>19560033 >that video Uncanny. I don't care if this was a rehearsed recitation; most people simply don't have the capacity to imitate this well. (Side note: This guy sounds eerily similar to ギンコ from 蟲師.)

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:40:46 No.19560066 >>19559139 >It would be that way for any VN I think.. should stick to yotsuba for now like the pleb I am Please I'm begging you not to read yotsuba unless you love it. Hanahira is an easy vn but I'd kill myself before finishing because its boring.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:41:07 No.19560070

Reading fast is about learning to subvocalize quickly. Not suppressing subvocalization. If you force yourself to read faster than you can subvocalize then your reading comprehension drops to the point where you're basically looking at random words and guessing what goes between them. And if you read slower than you can subvocalize but suppress subvocalization, you start misinterpreting things or misreading entire phrases without realizing they sound totally wrong.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:41:15 No.19560071 just fuckin read aqua shit whats the problem

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:41:39 No.19560075 >>19560066 hanahira isn't actually easy, it's entirely normal, just short kind of like axanael

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:42:13 No.19560080 >>19560071 you never explain yourself so although you're only half memeing we're left to assume you're completely memeing

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:42:40 No.19560084 >>19560070 i dont know that i agree with that because sometimes when i skim japanese its not a logical like sequence of vocalization in my head like it would be in english just because of how quickly i can ascertain the information

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:43:17 No.19560087 >>19560066 >not to read yotsuba unless you love it What kind of faggot doesn't love yotuba?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:44:17 No.19560103 >>19560080 do i really need to explain this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9rv_cVvUSU

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:44:48 No.19560106 just read a galge theyre super fucking easy and you can hold ctrl to dodge the tough bits and weasel on down to the h scenes and then realize that the real treasure was the sekenbanashi we made along the way

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:45:05 No.19560108 >>19560087 It looks dumb as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:45:43 No.19560114 >>19560106 fucken this F T W

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:46:51 No.19560125 >>19560108 just a question whats your age and how much anime have you watched lifetime

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:48:19 No.19560136 >>19560125 26, 15

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:50:03 No.19560152 huh didnt expect that youre just a late bloomer by the time youre like 35 and have watched like i dont know 10000 hours of anime youre prolly gonna feel a bit different about yotuba

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:55:44 No.19560196 is ir worth it to learn radicals and then do rtk/kklc or should i just start with say, rtk, and then go into vocabulary after that?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 19:58:09 No.19560208 >>19560196 Early kanji study is a waste of time. But if you insist on doing it both RTK and KKLC teach radicals as part of their system.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:01:19 No.19560223 i dont get the idea of learning rads you learn them anyway without trying

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:01:35 No.19560224

>>19560046
>>19560070
>>19560084
I'll admit I don't know much about speed reading because I never really looked into it. I thought it was impossible to subvocalize past a certain reading speed threshold, but maybe you're right and it does still happen, but imperceptibly. My question is: I'm a pretty fast reader in English and I don't repeat words in my head as I read them. What does it take to reach this point in Japanese? For reference, I have a friend who has been studying Japanese for about 10 years, living in Japan for 4 and is currently conducting post-graduate studies in a humanities field at a fairly well-known Japanese university, and he says his reading speed is noticeably slow and he still has trouble keeping up with subtitles and stuff like that.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:07:33 No.19560247

i honestly couldnt tell you other than it has to be a familiarity issue on the instinctual level and perhaps mastery of the language overall

do something like give him the words バナナ and まとも and tell him to write like 5 funny one liners with them in it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:11:03 No.19560260 >>19560224 Lots of reading and listening.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:18:15 No.19560308

>>19560247
So you think the problem lies with him? I'm inclined to agree, but at this point I think it's fair to say that he does "know" Japanese, so I'm curious about why his reading speed stagnated.
We both just took this test: https://www.sokunousokudoku.net/hakarukun/result.php
I got 387 and he got 261. Apparently, there are native speakers who read at 2000 wpm.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:22:08 No.19560329 i mean its nothing but familiarity and instinct

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:25:39 No.19560349 すいかたべたいすいかがたべたいんだよ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:29:07 No.19560369 How's the difficulty of ご注文はうさぎですか?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:29:45 No.19560372 >>19560349 知るかよ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:30:16 No.19560378 >>19560349 すいかは何を食べたいの？

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:30:22 No.19560380 >>19560369 It's easy.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:31:12 No.19560385 >>19560369 gochiusa is your typical run of the mill new school aids

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:32:48 No.19560396 >>19560380 >>19560385 Vocab/kanji wise?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:33:14 No.19560403 >>19560396 It's easy.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:37:15 No.19560426

>>19560308
That's the unfortunate reality when you "learn" by reading. There is no substitute for isolated vocabulary study, conscious grammar acquisition and being able to explain everything about a given section of japanese. Neckbeards here will tell you that it is possible to pick up the language subconsciously through high-volume, low-difficulty reading exposure but of course their aversion to serious study manifests is how unsuccessful they are in life and in their japanese knowledge. In fact I wouldn't rule out the possibility that some are trying to sabotage others on here in the hope that their own skills become more exclusive.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:39:34 No.19560441 dont trust the nihongo knowers trust the guy spouting 陰謀s lol trust no one but u https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wt3DEC_dA6s#t=160

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:40:49 No.19560447 >>19560426 That sounds like bullshit and unrelated to reading speed.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:40:50 No.19560448 >>19560426 You really think the person who (presumably, based on the context) studied Japanese in university didn't do the kind of things you think matter that actually don't matter?

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:45:14 No.19560474

>>19560224
>I have a friend who has been studying Japanese for about 10 years, living in Japan for 4 and is currently conducting post-graduate studies in a humanities field at a fairly well-known Japanese university

Ask him how many books he's read in Japanese. I'm guessing under 10.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:49:51 No.19560498 File: 148 KB, 1440x2560, Screenshot_20180802-104806.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I reached 1K! What now

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:49:59 No.19560499 >>19560448 Good post.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:50:05 No.19560500 >>19560474 He claims to have read a decent amount of classic Japanese literature.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:50:23 No.19560505 "start learning japanese"

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:51:26 No.19560512 >>19560498 I'd recommend that you start actually learning Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:51:52 No.19560516 called it

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:57:43 No.19560544 Remember that if you don't eat at least six chapters of manga worth of Japanese a day, you're not going to get good at Japanese!

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:58:05 No.19560548 manga isnt nutritous

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 20:58:55 No.19560556 File: 87 KB, 750x749, キャプチャ.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:01:41 No.19560570 >>19560544 >six chapters of manga So like 10 lines?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:03:16 No.19560577 dont backsass your mother or ill cancel your subscription to fakku ya hear me boy

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:04:51 No.19560583 my dad is drunk sitting in the room above me cussing out my family to himself.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:05:00 No.19560585 Alternatively you could just read like five of Romeo-sama's words.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:05:49 No.19560587 >>19560583 you gots to move out the house bro

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:06:31 No.19560590 >>19560570 manga contains more text than you assume it does

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:07:02 No.19560593 >>19560583 make him feel better man

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:08:14 No.19560604 itd be like 7 times cooler if your dad was upstairs drunk quoting romeo

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:08:28 No.19560606

I find it funny that the djt neckbeard consensus apparently says that extensive low-effort reading is the perfect method and then they turn around any mumble some nonsense about reading destroying your listening or speaking ability or something like that. Which is it neckies? Isn't it just as "logical" to assume that reading improves speaking or at least that any learned habitual errors can be unlearned just as easily through more of your low-effort exposure? Almost seems like an attempt to sabotage your efforts to lean japanese...

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:08:38 No.19560608 File: 42 KB, 782x1280, manga ka.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19560590 sue gay

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:09:20 No.19560613 >>19560606 you should switch to low effort posting youd look less retarded when you write that stupid shit

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:12:38 No.19560631 >>19560608 dumb post

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:13:03 No.19560632 >>19560631 dumber post

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:13:59 No.19560642 >>19560606 >extensive low-effort reading Why do you keep saying "low-effort"? Nobody said you should be reading things that don't challenge you.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:14:01 No.19560643 >>19560632 dumb post

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:14:42 No.19560651

>>19560606
i'm the only one who recognizes the obvious fact that reading ahead of your listening too much will destroy your listening ability. everyone else is with you. everyone is on the same page that y+1 learning will give you results but that doesn't mean it's "low effort".

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:16:16 No.19560662 i can't tell if you people are trolling eachother or actually think that it makes sense to think about learning in this way

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:17:40 No.19560673 remember to dial back the memeing guys its like descartes said if you pretend to be retarded for too long youll attract the actual tardos like >>19560662

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:18:22 No.19560676 >>19560673 that post is implying the very thing you're saying so i think the "actual tardo" is you

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:18:35 No.19560681 >>19560662 The way you get good at every other learned skill is application of the skill. This obviously doesn't apply to language though, since you think that's crazy, thanks for setting us straight anon.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:18:50 No.19560683 hes going all out someone get the helmets

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:19:32 No.19560688 >>19560681 you seem to have assumed that my post contained information that it didn't, because i hold the exact opposite position

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:22:21 No.19560705 File: 43 KB, 667x576, 4579t45ytg7hy47gy49sgdfhjf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:26:17 No.19560727 >>19560651 i cant actually comprehend what that would be like

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:27:19 No.19560732 much like sex with women

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:28:23 No.19560736 see what did i tell ya

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:34:09 No.19560762 File: 35 KB, 336x499, kodansha.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] who Kodansha here?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:35:49 No.19560772 >>19560762 worst of both worlds

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:43:59 No.19560828 File: 84 KB, 960x1040, KKLC.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19560762 Me. Not using the book or studying individual kanji though, just learning how to write the important vocab through rote memorization.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:45:18 No.19560833 >>19560772 what's wrong with it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:46:04 No.19560838 >>19560833 nothing, the person who responded to you is a dumb mattdrone

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:49:12 No.19560853 File: 140 KB, 1280x720, maxresdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] who 日本語の森 here?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:50:25 No.19560859 seriously tho this is the guy right here hes the 1 >>19558158

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:55:49 No.19560881 >>19558158 >practice japanese by doing what you want to do when you're good at japanese >don't translate but what if I want to learn Japanese so I can translate

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:56:25 No.19560883 thats your problem

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 21:59:53 No.19560894 What is ないんじゃない? Is that like a double negative? There is (not) not something? Tae kim has this in an example sentence but doesn't explain it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:00:39 No.19560898 >>19560894 watch the videos for that section

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:00:52 No.19560899 aint it not

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:01:57 No.19560905 ありえないんじゃない

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:02:20 No.19560907 なくてはならなきゃならないんじゃないかなぁってなんてないんじゃないんだから

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:06:08 No.19560924 わたしはゲイじゃないんじゃない

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:06:49 No.19560928 まぁ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:09:01 No.19560939 嘘をついてはいけません

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:15:26 No.19560983 わたしはそうした場合には嘘をつかなければならない

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:16:01 No.19560987 >>19560898 What videos? Tai Kim on youtube or some shit? I just have the PDF and deck.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:17:14 No.19560994 tai kims too hot for tv grammar tapes

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:17:32 No.19560995 >>19560987 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/nounparticles#The_particle_as_explanation

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:18:38 No.19561002 >>19560995 Oh wow, this is completely different from the PDF I'm using. Didn't even know there were videos.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:23:09 No.19561024 おなかすいたすいかよりももたべたい

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:26:23 No.19561043 >>19558158 >>19560859 I don't want to talk to people, though.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:27:17 No.19561047 The video doesn't address ないんじゃない but I'm guessing it is ない + のだ conjugated to negative form, which is basically like "Doesn't exist, does it not?" Hope I have that right.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:29:37 No.19561065 >>19561024 おにいちゃんのお尻食べたいのかい

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:30:44 No.19561070 >>19561043 thats your problem

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:33:35 No.19561088 >>19561070 Got me real sad when he said "stop just reading Japanese you won't make any progress you need to talk to people."

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:35:25 No.19561099 >>19561088 its the fuckin truth whether or not it fits what you want just be a complete menace to some nihonjims for a while itll be fun

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:38:37 No.19561117 >>19561088 You do not need to speak to anyone unless you want to produce.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:40:41 No.19561124 >>19561047 Actually, I don't think I have that right. The example sentence is 授業がないんじゃない. That's the same thing as 授業がない. Why the extra fluff? Fuckin nips man.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:41:06 No.19561126 >>19561088 He's right if your goal is speaking with Japanese people. If you actually don't care at all about production though, you're not missing anything by not doing it.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:43:19 No.19561141 here come the noobs thinking they can understand riding a bike they cant ride themselves

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:45:33 No.19561155

>>19561088
He said stop studying and stop reading sentences in textbooks. Reading actual Japanese is different.

Most Youtuber advice is aimed at people wanting to speak, so of course they always tell you to do it. People like us that want to learn a language purely for media consumption are in the minority.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:48:34 No.19561173 youre in the minority yet in the majority for those who cant

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:50:02 No.19561185 Someone just give the sad fuck a (You).

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:50:58 No.19561193 dont give me a you go get on various platforms and go bother some nice japanese people for a month what have you got to lose ill be here when you realize how literally life changing it is for you

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:52:10 No.19561205 @everyone i love nihongo

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:52:44 No.19561208 epic and for the win

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:53:12 No.19561209 >>19561065 くっころ

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 22:53:37 No.19561211 @19561208 dou mo

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:00:05 No.19561243 isn't it true that japanese people don't like gaijin invading their online spaces, though? or is all the xenophobia just a meme?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:01:17 No.19561251 i didnt say invade please properly stay in the gaijin pen wherever you go

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:01:54 No.19561255 >>19561243 Depends on the community.

Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:04:30 No.19561268

>>19561243
Nips love westerner attention. A video of a gaijin watching anime will get hundreds of thousands of views on Nico. They have sites dedicated to 4chan posts. If you go on a Japanese live stream and speak english, you will always get a reply above anyone else.

I've never seen a nip community that didn't want westerners.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:08:08 No.19561286 >>19561088 More input = better output longterm so he's a retard.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:11:58 No.19561302 >>19561088 >>19561286 He literally in the video says you should input with shit that interests you. The entire video is "stop trying to master grammar textbooks and vocabulary".

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:12:22 No.19561305 literal fucking fat noobs

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:13:44 No.19561312 >>19561302 put this in all thread ops from now on

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:16:04 No.19561324 >>19561302 I didn't watch it so shame on me but good shit if that's his advice.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:17:06 No.19561327 >>19561305 i'm getting sick and fucking tired of you calling me fat dude you need to stop.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:18:12 No.19561332 >>19561327 oh sorry i dont actually wanna make you sad for real its just theatrics

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:19:02 No.19561335 >>19561332 thanks man we good i'm just sensitive

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:19:54 No.19561340 >>19561335 glomps u

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:23:16 No.19561358 kino's tabby is making me sad. how could somebody write stuff like this? its depiction of people is too cruel

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:27:08 No.19561380 take that thought and watch the new kinos anime

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:29:23 No.19561392 >>19561380 i can't i saw a cherrypicked scene with laughably bad animation i'd watch the old one but i'm currently going through all of urusei yatura

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:29:47 No.19561396 >>19561358 but people are cruel extremely cruel; crueler than you or I could ever know. scary isnt it?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:30:11 No.19561398 殿内 What the fuck is this?

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:32:15 No.19561410 File: 35 KB, 652x481, d.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19561398

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:35:51 No.19561427 >>19560066 Yotsuba is manga, not reading, so you don't have to worry.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:37:57 No.19561436 >>19561392 the old 1 is definitely cool but its still better to read it anyway cool for watchin that classic bangin rumiko takahasi anime

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:43:02 No.19561464 rate my schedule 1 hour eating manga 1 hour of nhk easy articles 1 hour of hanahira 3 hours of terrace house

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:43:53 No.19561474 rate my schedule 24 hours of djt

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:44:16 No.19561477 >>19561464 >nhk easy Why? Just read the actual news.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:44:18 No.19561478 >>19561464 >no ホモ専用ゲ 5/10 apply yourself

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:45:24 No.19561485 rate my schedule 4 hours RTK 4 hours shitposting on DJT 4 hours watching matt videos

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:50:18 No.19561515 じゃない was a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Wed, Aug 1, 2018 23:51:21 No.19561522 WHO IS MATT??

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:05:48 No.19561592 rate my schedule https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFpjnQmjVHI

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:10:46 No.19561621 >>19561410 If you don't see why I'm asking, you don't know Japanese.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:11:45 No.19561626

>>19561464
stop eating manga
stop hanahira and try a vn that you can put 2-4 hours a day in without wanting to die
if you are worried about difficulty you should know that hanahira is harder than everything in the left-most column of >>19556227
it just looks easy because it's short (which brings down the unique word count) and pink
no comment on terrace house, at least you're listening

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:14:54 No.19561643 >>19561398 the absolute state of the japanese language

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:27:51 No.19561688 I want to fug the visualising japanese grammar lady

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:36:27 No.19561719
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Anyone have suggestions on how I should arrange and expedite Anki mining decks for vocab acquisition? The guide doesn't have any advice for this that I saw. I want to more easily recall vocabulary from manga and VNs, but I'm unsure of what card format/arrangement would be best. Should I just mine sentences that I find in the wild? I.E.,

前：
これはペンです。
後ろ：
This is a pen.

This would be a very simple format with little work needed to establish it or create cards. I'm unsure if I should have incluede extra fields for clarifying the vocab, bold specific words, or something else. If anyone has suggestions, I would be grateful to hear them.

>>19556351
This site is really cool, I haven't heard of it before. Is there a large library of content? Any other sites like this? This seems way better than just downloading several anime and adding subs to everything manually.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:37:49 No.19561726 File: 53 KB, 480x480, 1519956991042.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19561719 >"mined" card >full english translated sentence on the back

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:42:10 No.19561743
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>>19561726
It sounds like you're suggesting I AJATT it, even if my current vocabulary base is minimal. That's not a valid option at this time, so I need advice on how I should do my card layout. Please offer serious advice or resources on how I should arrange my cards so I can start studying more and making great Nipponese gains.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:43:35 No.19561755 >>19561743 Where exactly do you plan on getting these English translations for sentences you have found "in the wild"?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:44:39 No.19561765 >"逞しい” >subs: "how does he do it?" anime is a bad hobby now because i know enough nihongo to know they're just making shit up but not enough to watch things raw

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:45:34 No.19561771

>>19561743
why is it not a valid option
regardless all he's suggesting is that you never translate sentences
even まあ様 just puts dictionary definitions for the words in the sentence, you don't translate sentences
>>19561755
the accuracy of sentence translations isn't even the problem, you don't teach your brain to understand sentences through translation, it's a waste of time that does not teach you to think in japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:46:38 No.19561776 >>19561765 you always knew enough to watch raw stop being a baby and start making some fuckin gains if you want to nippongo

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:47:29 No.19561783 >>19561771 >>the accuracy of sentence translations isn't even the problem, It's not, but it's the easiest way to turn someone away from trying to do this nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:57:05 No.19561842 Dogen recommended watching Tokyo Sonata 3+ times a week. Who the fuck would watch that movie 3 times a week? Aside from having zero desire to sit through it again, it had a low amount of dialogue for a two hour movie.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:57:13 No.19561843
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>>19561755
You make a fair point. This is why I've come to ask for help. I want to know what format my mined cards should be in so I can build an effective language base instead of the wobbly mess that is my Japanese right now. I just want to learn through mined content and grammar guides.

If you or anyone else reading this would lend me some assistance on this, I would be grateful.

>>19561771
>why is it not a valid option

I could, but frankly, I don't have the confidence that I will be capable of doing that at this time. Said confidence is a finite resource for me, and I know myself well enough that I need to optimize my card formation now so I will be more successful later. If I can establish simple reading goals while setting up a few cards whenever I encounter something new/useful, then I will surely learn effectively. At least, enough for me to build some greater confidence in my language abilities.

I'm not going to study any more pre-made decks. They drain what little energy I have, and have never worked for me nearly as well as accumulating content through consumed media. Kanji isn't even a problem at that point either; I recognize words and can read with a steady flow if it's content I've encountered in the wild before.

>he's suggesting is that you never translate sentences

What do you suggest?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:58:41 No.19561850 >>19561842 >it had a low amount of dialogue for a two hour movie. Congratulations on proving you don't understand the complexity of Japanese culture and conversation. Go study history for a decade and come back when you're ready to learn Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 00:58:44 No.19561851 >>19561843 >What do you suggest? >just puts dictionary definitions for the words in the sentence

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:04:54 No.19561887 >>19561850 I'll pay extra careful attention to nonverbal aspect of communication so that my ability to mimic pitch accent will skyrocket.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:06:04 No.19561894 >>19561851 If you're just going to '>' me, then please do not respond further. I'm looking for assistance, not gaffs. I want to learn, and I want to learn effectively.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:07:24 No.19561906 >>19561894 I didn't just greentext "you", I quoted the answer to your question that had already been posted in the post you were responding to.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:10:25 No.19561917

>>19561894
he directed you to the part of my post that answers the question you asked
do you have a problem with the answer? is there something you don't understand?
personally i wouldn't recommend using sentence cards at all, but if you're going to then that is the way to do it
at least you're not using premade decks, but you're putting too much time into "optimizing" supplementary study by making it more time-consuming and less focused

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:12:41 No.19561927 What is the difference between いる (when being used to indicate continuing actions) and ている? e.g. すっかり食べ終わってはいる and すっかり食べ終わってはている

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:14:30 No.19561933 >>19561927 where did you find these sentences or sentences that this question came from

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:16:17 No.19561942 >>19561933 jisho Do you know the answer to my question by chance

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:17:39 No.19561948 What should I do if I can easily recall what the vocab means in anki core deck but have a hard time remembering how to pronounce the vocab?

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:21:37 No.19561971

>>19561948
By hard time do you mean "I didn't know what the pronunciation was before I flipped the card over" or do you mean "it took me effort to recall the reading"? If its the first, then you fail the card, if it's the latter then you mark it according to difficulty.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:21:51 No.19561972
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>>19561906
I see. I misread your post--I apologize.

>>19561917
>do you have a problem with the answer? is there something you don't understand?
I think I either misunderstood, or was expecting an elaboration on what was said. I was hoping for an outright suggestion on what format I should use. From what I read initially, all I perceived was green-texting and "don't do sentence mining", without any suggestions for alternatives. I am still somewhat confused.

>personally i wouldn't recommend using sentence cards at all
What would you suggest? I know that pre-made decks are going to overwhelm me in due time, and that I must have personalized reference points in my cards if I want effective SRS material. I base this on my past learning experiences.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:25:44 No.19561990

>>19561972
If you want to do sentence cards:

Front eg:
>僕はゲイ
Back eg.:
>僕【ぼく】I, me
>ゲイ Gay

You only need to put definitions of words you don't already know on the back. Eventually you will probably want to transition to using J-J definitions as well. If you want to do just plain vocab mining then just the vocab on the front and the definition on back. Likewise you will probably want to switch to J-J definitions eventually.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:30:59 No.19562005 >>19561971 I see, thanks for the reply. It's just kinda discouraging seeing an easy word like 一日 and having a hard time remembering how to say it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:32:24 No.19562011 File: 11 KB, 416x142, anon.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:34:11 No.19562021

>>19561942
i can't answer a question that is founded on a misconception
ている is is not a word, いる appended to a て-form has meaning, the second sentence looks like you misread 果ている or something
which is why in the future you should provide context of what you actually encountered instead of attempting to build your own examples

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:34:54 No.19562026 >>19562005 >一日 Those are a bitch. I know 1k+ Kanji and still don't know how the fuck to say 九つ or 二十日 or 二つ

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:36:45 No.19562033 >>19562005 There's no such thing as an easy word. You'll get better at remembering things through exposure.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:36:50 No.19562035 >>19562021 ている marks continuing action as does いる (sometimes). I just wanted to know the difference.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:37:43 No.19562038 >>19562033 一, next

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:39:00 No.19562044 >>19562021 >>19562035 Here's another 2 examples, neither of which I made. すっかり食べ終わってはいる昼ご飯を食べている

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:42:09 No.19562048 >>19561927 >すっかり食べ終わってはている Link me to where you saw this

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:43:10 No.19562051 >>19562048 That was a bad example, see >>19562044

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:43:27 No.19562053

>>19561990
Thank you for this concise explanation. I'll start applying this strategy shortly with vocab mining.

My only remaining questions are to know when do you think someone might be ready to switch to J-J definitions, and if you think I am needlessly worried about the difficult of starting J-J, as you seemed to suggest. I can always learn the definitions in English starting out while using JP definitions, but that seems like more work too. I want to streamline my learning process as much as possible.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:45:26 No.19562059 >>19561990 Honestly though why would you want to do this over vocab cards with example sentences? Seems a lot more productive.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:45:41 No.19562061

>>19561972
>What would you suggest?
mine vocab, make extremely simple vocab cards, no sentences
personally i don't use anki for the meaning, i just read the kanji, you can put a definition on it for some extra exposure but the most important part is to read it correctly and you can do more reading and listening to actually learn how the word is used (because that's the only way you're really going to learn what it means anyway for anything that doesn't have a one-to-one translation)
but that is not a common suggestion so simple vocab cards with reading and a short definition are fine, remember not to try to memorize the definition word-for-word, if you were in the ballpark on the meaning then you got it right

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:48:08 No.19562069 >>19562059 >vocab cards with example sentences If you're going through the effort of putting example sentences on your cards anyway you might as well cut out the middle man.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:48:09 No.19562070 >>19562051 It's just the contrastive はすっかり食べ終わってはいる means すっかり食べ終わっている but with the nuance that it's specifically いる and not いない I /have/ finished eating <-- this sort of feeling

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:48:43 No.19562074 >>19550832 >→

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:49:42 No.19562077 >>19562069 Is there a middle man though? Example sentences with vocab cover more ground. You have to learn the vocab, the sentence, and how the vocab is actually applied in the sentence. Just my thoughts.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:50:48 No.19562079 >>19562070 >contrastive は Haven't learned that one yet, suppose that would be the bottleneck here.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:51:19 No.19562082 >>19562077 You have to understand all 3 of those things to understand the sentence anyway. Also if you're trying to actually "memorize" the sentence itself when doing sentence cards you're not doing it right.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:51:29 No.19562083 >>19550832 >→

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:51:54 No.19562084 File: 44 KB, 960x308, card.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19561843 Front: word Back: reading meaning the sentence you found it in, if you want

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:52:41 No.19562087

>>19562053
>>My only remaining questions are to know when do you think someone might be ready to switch to J-J definitions
Whenever you want. It doesn't matter as much as some people like to say it does, but it's definitely helpful, and will help to break you out of the mindset of viewing Japanese "through" English that lots of people struggle with.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:53:04 No.19562089 >>19562082 Well the difference then is that you are mining a specific word you want to learn rather than a sentence, which just seems easier to do. But I guess it doesn't really matter that much.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:53:08 No.19562090 >>19562087 >> ?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:54:42 No.19562096 >>19562084 Don't forget a cute relevant anime picture on the card to help you remember better.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:55:05 No.19562097

>>19562079
Dunno enough to say whether a contrastive は exists, or if it's just the は's property of emphasis being used to emphasize one thing over all the rest (which is more or less equivalent to being contrastive) but yeah, that's another one of its uses
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/46946/can-someone-explain-the-contrastive-%E3%81%AF-to-me

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:55:22 No.19562099 >>19562089 You're still doing that with sentence mining. It really doesn't matter, frankly what you do in anki doesn't really make much of a difference.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:56:00 No.19562102 >>19562096 Dumb post

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:56:45 No.19562104 >>19562090 It's a bug in 4chan-x that doubles the bracket if the quick reply box isn't already open when you go to quote something.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 01:58:45 No.19562110 File: 7 KB, 225x225, ISHYGDDT.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19562104 >He fell for the 4ch*n x meme You guys don't really do this do you?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:01:53 No.19562134 >>19562110 I've been using 4chan-x since before 4chan added the inline extension. And 4chan still hasn't added all the features I like in 4chan-x so why would I stop using it?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:03:20 No.19562147 Just got called a nigger when posting on 2chan, any tips to blend in?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:04:03 No.19562151 >>19562147 1 Don't be a nigger

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:06:24 No.19562165 >>19562134 There's absolutely no reason for that extension to require permissions to all websites. It stinks to high heavens.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:10:51 No.19562186 File: 34 KB, 523x519, 4chanxperm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19562165 Well then its a good thing it doesn't. Before you complain about it, "@connect *" doesn't work how you think it does.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:12:14 No.19562191 >>19562147 See >>19562011

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:18:29 No.19562211 I think I'm getting better at japanese but i'm not going to let that lull me into a false sense of security lest i repeat past mistakes (tried to read monogatari after only one year of study and instantly died)

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:20:27 No.19562221
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>>19562061
>>19562084
>>19562087
Thank you all for your assistance. I'm grateful for the help, and will log your responses in case I ever need to refer to them again. I will begin mining ハカイジュウ tomorrow (which comes in 40 minutes). Here's the MU link for those who are interested: https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=52257

Good night, Anons.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:24:30 No.19562237 >>19562221 Oh, that series is fun. I bought a bunch of physical volumes when I first started learning. The art is great.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:27:36 No.19562250 >>19562104 >It's a bug in 4chan-x that doubles the bracket if the quick reply box isn't already open when you go to quote something. Doesn't happen to me.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:28:49 No.19562258 >>19562250 You need to have the text you want to quote already highlighted, then click on the post number to quote. Maybe it's a bug specific to specific userscript managers or something.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:29:56 No.19562262 >>19562258 That's what I did there, no duplicate >>. I use "pure" greasemonkey, on firefox.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:31:42 No.19562265 >>19562262 I use violentmonkey, and the bug only happens sometimes so I'm not sure what the actual trigger is. I can't imagine what it would be outside of a bug somewhere in something 4chan-x is doing though.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 02:38:28 No.19562288

>>19562237
Yeah, I've got a lot of physical books to read too. This is one I've always returned to (though, I only own the first volume). Even if I didn't read beyond a certain point, I always thought a lot of the pages looked great. The monsters look viciously wicked, and the gore is on-point. I'm really looking forward to finally getting an idea of what happened to 瑛士 and his ripped or bitten-off arm, and seeing if he's still alive. I think it's a great candidate to start with, at only 200 pages + furigana to help me read unknown words with kanji.

I wonder how I should spread out the reading. Do you think two weeks is a bit long? I have a lot of time to spend. I could try to get it done in a week, but that's 28, 29 pages a day. I wonder if that's too much for someone with limited JP skills, or just right.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 03:08:19 No.19562390 >>19562288 set a goal in minutes or hours rather than pages, and feel free to go over whether it's to get to a good stopping point because you're enjoying it you wont know how long 30 pages takes until you try it

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 03:12:09 No.19562411 File: 57 KB, 134x144, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19562390 That's a great idea--I'll try that. Thanks again, Anon. Wish me luck!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 03:50:58 No.19562514 >>19559815 All of /djt/. Nobody here does listening.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:01:26 No.19562532 File: 439 KB, 1440x2560, Screenshot_20180802-175009.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >１５年から１７年に I can't figure out what this means in this sentence and why.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:12:27 No.19562550 >>19562514 once every 15 to 17 years the earth and mars come really close to each other

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:13:50 No.19562553 >>19562550 meant for >>19562532

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:15:07 No.19562555 >>19562532 わくせいはだえんきどうだからねえらいひともそういっている

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:30:36 No.19562590 File: 67 KB, 421x750, gfhhf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >lol you should read yotsuba if you're new idk what this mong is saying half the time and jisho doesn't help

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:31:45 No.19562596 >>19562590 Looks like you haven't seen enough anime.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:33:21 No.19562602 >>19562596 i don't really listen to what they're saying when i'm busy reading subs

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:35:31 No.19562609 >>19562590 Because Yotsuba is for beginners and it is not that difficult to read what is happening through context if you have a grasp of basic Japanese. Even the image you just posted is easy to read.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:37:07 No.19562615 >>19562590 I've never understood why people struggle with this kind of slangy speech as much as they do. It's really not difficult to arrive at 「すごい！強い！」 from this.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:37:33 No.19562618 >>19562590 u know there is a pdf that has all the vocab/slang in the order it appears right, though if u cant tell what she is saying in that pic ur not going to make it anyway

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:39:32 No.19562627 File: 97 KB, 1044x571, すごいアノンくん.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19562590 >and jisho doesn't help

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:41:13 No.19562635 File: 45 KB, 440x571, j.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19562627 yeh, about that

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:45:31 No.19562651 >>19562635 first search result in google for "つえー" says 強ぇ which is not hard to work from you're going to need to use your faculties from time to time

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:47:30 No.19562659

>>19562635
>search すげえ
>see how it turns in to すごい
>huh つええ isn't bringing up any results, what word could possible fit in here that matches both the context and follows a similar slurring pattern?
Yeah really takes a genius. I mean fuck, it would be easy to guess what the word should be even if you literally blacked it out of the panel, just from context alone.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:48:29 No.19562663 File: 225 KB, 1351x1014, fdslih.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this is bullshit >>19562651 >>19562659 yup, fuck all there https://www.google.com/search?q=%E3%81%8B%E3%81%BF%E3%81%AA%E3%81%92%E3%81%88&ie=&oe=

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:51:08 No.19562677 >>19562663 >すげえー -> すごい >なげー -> ながい Wew really working those brain muscles.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:56:20 No.19562690 File: 49 KB, 474x750, 1526171216307.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19562663 Just shut the fuck up you faggot.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 04:57:56 No.19562694 >>19562663 I might have more sympathy for you if it weren't for the fact that there's literally a guide specifically for this manga that handholds you through the slang.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:03:53 No.19562717 >>19562663 are you going to highlight きれー next

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:06:55 No.19562729 >>19562694 you shouldn't need a guide to read a fucking 'beginner manga'

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:07:49 No.19562732 >>19562729 Most people don't, but when you are brain damaged and cant work out easy slang it's there for you.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:09:26 No.19562741 >>19562729 if you want something tailored for beginners go spend $250 on graded readers if you want to learn japanese read real shit that wasn't made for language learners and you'd better fucking like it while you're at it

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:10:01 No.19562747 If you haven't watched at least 200 animes before learning Japanese, you're in the wrong thread.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:11:49 No.19562755 >>19562747 also this yotsubato slang is fucking easy to pick up if you know what japanese sounds like and you know what japanese slang sounds like, even with a very small vocabulary

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:16:48 No.19562772 >>19562747 Damn, I have 190, if you don't count ovas and movies.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:25:34 No.19562807 >>19562772 Then get to it. You only have 10 more animes to drink.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:26:24 No.19562812 >>19562807 Does rewatching count? I've seen evangelion 5 times.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:27:40 No.19562816 >>19562812 Yes.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:34:03 No.19562839 >>19562288 >>19562609 >>19562729 That's nice but manga isn't reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:38:08 No.19562848 可愛いアニメ少女にうんこされたーい

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:41:10 No.19562857 >>19562839 for whom do you do it, this diligent selfless sacrifice

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:44:35 No.19562870

>>19562755
This is correct. I've heard a lot of people complaining about 'slang' in Yotsubato but it was one of the first things I read and that wasn't the hardest thing by far. Maybe the problem is that people who complain about it don't bother learning how to pronounce the kana? Playing back 'slangy' sentences in your head should help identify what's being said.

Now old people slang, that's a different matter. Even in my video games and manga I have trouble understanding what they say sometimes.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 05:59:37 No.19562912 >>19562848 You want a cute anime girl to allow you to take a shit?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 06:00:43 No.19562915 >>19562912 No, I want a cute anime girl to poop on me.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 06:09:14 No.19562950 File: 43 KB, 598x694, 1430074552330.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 可愛い物理的な少女に太ももで絞められたい

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 06:11:52 No.19562958 >>19562857 no one specifically so i guess the whole world >>19562870 Cool story bro but manga isn't reading.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 06:38:04 No.19563053 File: 24 KB, 326x524, 3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] A Japanese guy is using 4chan to study English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyMvUxjMoTk

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 06:39:19 No.19563062 >>19563053 格好いい話兄貴、でも4chanは読むではない

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 06:42:05 No.19563073 >>19563053 Listen dude, nobody cares about your reading 4chan at a snail's pace. Stop posting this shit here.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 06:54:58 No.19563143 >>19563062 ４ちゃんはよむものではない？

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 06:57:30 No.19563157 >>19562555 なに？

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:01:00 No.19563178 >>19563143 そう、基本的に価値が持てないので読むじゃない

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:02:14 No.19563186
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>この番組はご覧のスポンサーの提供でお送りします
What exactly does "ご覧のスポンサー" mean?

"Sponsors of watching"? (But they didn't fund watching, they funded production and broadcasting).
"Watching sponsors"? (And what about the sponsors who aren't watching?)

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:05:31 No.19563196 Whenever I talk to a Japanese on the phone they always know I am a foreigner right away... How can I fix this?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:06:35 No.19563199 >>19563196 Shut up

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:07:06 No.19563201 >>19563196 And breathe heavily.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:08:39 No.19563208 >>19563196 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejRkuX1RGf4 This guy claims to be confused for a Japanese native over the phone so just AJATT for 18 months

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:09:29 No.19563212 >>19563186 Did you even read the rest of the sentence or did you just get stuck at ご覧のスポンサー

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:14:04 No.19563225 >>19563212 Yes. I see what the sentence is about, but I still don't understand what that ご覧 is doing there.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:16:15 No.19563235 >>19563212 Oh fuck, I think I get it. When she says that, the logos of sponsors are usually displayed. Does it mean "The sponsors that (You) see on the screen" ?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:17:17 No.19563240 >>19563235 Glad I could help.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:18:15 No.19563245 >>19563186 "sponsors whose names you are watching"

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:37:59 No.19563320 >>19561743 >That's not a valid option at this time it's a valid option at any time my dude. although you can initially vocab mine to make sentence mining easier.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:42:23 No.19563340 File: 54 KB, 793x786, 1531457517556.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >Skipped 4 days of anki Time to catch up

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:42:38 No.19563343 黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人黒人

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:43:50 No.19563349 >>19563340 >frogposting >>>/b/

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:45:01 No.19563353 File: 154 KB, 500x500, Fj470VF.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19563349

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 07:56:41 No.19563403 >>19563349 I think you need some directions as well. >>>/v/

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:05:13 No.19563448 >>19563403 >>19563353 >>>/int/djt/

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:06:37 No.19563453 >>19563448 >/djt/

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:07:02 No.19563456 >>19562732 i'm confused how is a beginner supposed to work out slang? >oh well x is obviously y it's obvious to you but how is a beginner with little vocab supposed to know?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:07:21 No.19563459 ボトルにおしっこを溜める。

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:08:22 No.19563469 >>19563456 >it's obvious to you Yes, and it wasn't particularly hard as a beginner either.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:08:58 No.19563474 >>19563459 きたない

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:09:14 No.19563478 癌

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:09:38 No.19563482 >>19563196 Khatz and Matt have both been stated to have accents that could easily be confused for a native so do what they did.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:12:00 No.19563489 >>19563456 yotsubato was the first manga i ate i managed to get used to it believe in yourself

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:12:28 No.19563491 >>19563474 AJATT者だからしなければならない

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:18:37 No.19563509 >>19563489 no i'm reading a gay vn

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:24:07 No.19563538 >>19563509 well at least encourage beginners to believe in themselves i hope the gay vn isn't hanahira, enjoy

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:25:19 No.19563543 >>19563538 i am a beginner but i have no belief in myself or others. >hanahira fuck dude did i fuck up?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:28:57 No.19563558 >>19563543 just say no homo and its fine

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:30:41 No.19563564 Is there any point in learning Japanese when it's guaranteed to be a dead language within the next 50-60 years anyway?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:32:58 No.19563572 how many years do you need to get out of japanese for it to be worth it? i only need 5-15 years of compelling content for it to have been worth it.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:34:53 No.19563580 >>19563564 >Is there any point in learning a language that might stop being useful when I have one foot in the grave

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:35:20 No.19563583 クイーンイングリッシュもうはなすひとほとんどいないよね

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:36:53 No.19563592 >>19563564 Is there any point learning anything when you are guaranteed to be dead within the next 50-60 years?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 08:44:57 No.19563618 >>19563572 it's not like you're going to run out of chicks to fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:09:58 No.19563755 File: 292 KB, 1071x1500, 91wb+krdtRL._SL1500_.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What would be a less retarded translation of "未確認で進行形" ?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:13:50 No.19563781 How do you call 鷲掴む手 in english?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:15:19 No.19563785 File: 173 KB, 701x394, a195ec89d6efcecd22930d09a4df58d52acddb7668abe67b5c9da3a7e1354690.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>19553661 >Manga is harder than books. That's one extremely controversial opinion right there.

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:15:38 No.19563788 >>19563340 How many cards did you get backed up? I get like 300 or so cards to review every day, I can't imagine what it'll be like if I miss a day. At least I'll be done with Core in a week or two, that'll get my reviewing time down substantially.

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:19:19 No.19563805

>>19563543
hanahira is demotivating because it's shit that no one wants to sit through
it's also not the easiest, it probably got that reputation for having a low number of unique kanji (which is because it is very short) and for its childish appearance
if you check the freqlist columns in http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats you can see that it has more unique lexemes than the unionshift blossom titles in a fraction of the lines/characters
which wouldn't be an argument against it wasn't shit, but it is, so find something better

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:20:42 No.19563812 >>19563755 "Unconfirmed" or "fake news"

Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:22:40 No.19563827

>spend 5 minutes trying to recall a kanji during reviews, often procrastinating and alt-tabbing
>finally be honest with myself and fail every time I can't recall the kanji within 20 seconds
>retention is down
>reviews are gonna pile up
>but review time is significantly shorter
Don't know how to feel

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:23:37 No.19563832 >>19563812 Yeah, that's what 未確認 means, but there's also 進行形

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:24:16 No.19563838 >>19563827 >recall a kanji you should feel bad that you're spending hours not learning japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:24:39 No.19563840 Why's everyone obsessed with translating lately?

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:24:59 No.19563844 I really like なお, it works like Now!

>>	Anonymous Thu, Aug 2, 2018 09:25:06 No.19563846 >>19563840 >lately

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