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1937008 No.1937008 [Reply] [Original]

Why do Kaguya and Mokou hate each other so much? From what I saw of their chatter in IN, they seemed to be otherwise fairly reasonable people when they weren't shooting infinite bullets at me.

>> No.1937019

Kaguya humiliated Mokou's father by sending him on five impossible quests when he asked to marry her, Mokou got pissed and wanted to get her family's honor back so she went to kill Kaguya. Hime-san had already left though so Mokou stole the Hourai elixir to continue her endless grudge against her.

>> No.1937025

>>1937019
that's a bit different from the actual Kaguya-hime story... In which there were five men, and each was given one impossible task.

>> No.1937028

>>1937019
Sounds only slightly less reasonable than /v/.

>> No.1937031

>>1937025
Yeah Kaguya is actually based on a Japanese myth isn't she? The whole moon princess thing, although to what degree this is used in Touhou I don't know.

>> No.1937039

>>1937031
Her character was pretty much copypasted as-is from the woodcutter's tale.

>> No.1937045

If I were Mokou, I'd be pissed if my dad asked to marry a little moon bitch and the moon bitch was all "HAY NO YOU GOTTA GO GET ME A SWALLOWS COWRIE SHELL" and my dad goes "wat" and she starts shooting billions of lasers at him.

>> No.1937054

>>1937045
Yes, but would you be so pissed you decide to BECOME IMMORTAL just so you can constantly bother her, despite both of you being immortal and unable to kill each other.

>> No.1937058

Fools! Mokous dad failed at impossible request so he made a fake one.
They noticed and Mokous dad was fucked

>> No.1937061

to be fair, in the story, after she sends them all off on impossible tasks, every last one of them tries to counterfeit the item and fool her.

And then she humiliates them by not falling for it and making fun of them for being losers.

>> No.1937062

>>1937025
Actually Mokou's father was given a single impossible request alongside 4 other men.

>> No.1937066

Am I misremembering the Kaguya story when I recall that one guy was tasked with finding Phoenix's eggs, and he, after a long journey, DID find them, and managed to bring them back to Japan with him, only to trip and fall when bringing them in front of Kaguya and for her to claim it didn't count?
Maybe that was Mokou's dad.

>> No.1937068

Alright, so Flandre is an immortal psychopath and Yukari is some MIGHTIEST YOUKAI EVER... but what makes Mokou so powerful as to be an extra boss? Has she developed infinite rage or what?

>> No.1937078

>>1937068
She gets back up every time you kill her. Note how she actually explodes after beating her spellcards, unlike the other bosses. And 1300 years of experience + control over fire.

Also no one got phoenix eggs iirc, the items were a dragonball, a cowrie shell laid by a swallow, fur of a fire rat, buddha's bowl and jeweled branch from hourai.

>> No.1937080

If Reimu can complete the Impossible Requests, does this mean she can marry Kaguya?

>> No.1937085

>>1937078
Okay, so how did an ordinary rich dude's daughter get control over fire?

>> No.1937093

>>1937080
Theoretically, but the deal with Reimu was "get the moon back if you do the requests."

>> No.1937092

>>1937080
.......

Yeeeeeeeees, BUT! The Danmaku spell cards aren't the same as the actual requests, although if you follow the theory that Kourindou's is filled with things that people in our world no longer beleive in then you might find that Rinnosuke has access to all five some where.

>> No.1937098

>>1937085
Like how Marisa can shoot lasers left and right. Except Marisa is about 20 at best, Mokou had 1300 years. That and she might have contracted an actual phoenix.

>>1937080
I like to think Mokou gathered them together before meeting Kaguya, punching all the presents at her face and then killing her.

>> No.1937108

>>1937085
It involved swapping souls with a phoenix.

>> No.1937109

>>1937080
Back then impossible requests where a trick to fend off pedos.

Now she uses danmaku versions of them for pew pew games

>> No.1937114

>>1937098
Well, Marisa is a magician so... uh...

Shit why am I trying to make sense of this shit?

>> No.1937124

There are 2 animals representing immortality: Dragon and Phönix
Kaguya is representing the Dragon so Mokou became Phönix

>> No.1937126

>>1937098
>>1937114
Marisa doesn't shoot the lasers herself, she uses a miniature device that contains the TRUE EMBODIMENT OF FIRE to fire all her attack.
Yuka uses the same moves using her hands or an ordinary parasol, but she's a youkai so it's okay.

>> No.1937127

While I got your ear, /jp/... so that one ghost chick gardener with the SUPER SWORD is apparently... a half-human half-ghost?... how is that even possible?

>> No.1937129

>>1937124
But isn't Eirin also immortal?

>> No.1937132

>>1937127
Someone fucked Option

>> No.1937136

>Due to her power of resurrection and ability to control fire, Mokou is often depicted as having the same powers as the mythical phoenix (she even has a spellcard called "Possessed By Phoenix"), even occasionally sprouting a pair of firey wings. Fandom is divided as to whether or not Mokou actually is possessed by a phoenix; it would seem redundant, as she is already immortal (unless she did it to grow more powerful).
...Ah.

>> No.1937137

>>1937127
Danny Phantom.
Except instead of being able to alternate forms, Youmu exists as both simultaneously. Youmu is human, Myon is a ghost, they're the same person.
It's more of a conjoined twin thing, except they share the same soul or whatever.

>> No.1937139

>>1937129
No she is just old.

Lunarians can live forever but they DO DIE when hey are killed

>> No.1937143

>>1937137
>Danny Phantom.
DAMN. Outwitted. How did I forget that?

>> No.1937150

>>1937129
Read Cage in Lunatic Runagate. Basically the moon has no impurities and it's impurities that cause things to age and Kaguya was preserving Eientei's eternity so that it never became impure even though it was on the Earth but after the events of IN Eientei's just a normal place so Eirin will probably grow old and die.

That's my summary.

>> No.1937151

>>1937139
Actually we're unsure, she might have taken the elixir secretly out of guilt/shame but it's not stated either way.

>> No.1937160

>>1937078
wasn't it stated that in the IN extra you were actually going all out and trying to kill the opponent (Mokou), rather than just play around with pretty lights until one of you wins?

>> No.1937167

>>1937160
I think that's because most of the girls are psychopaths who relish the ability to kill someone without repercussions.

>> No.1937168

>>1937160
Why the hell was Reimu doing what Kaguya asked her to anyway?

>> No.1937173

>>1937160
Yeah. And "beating her" involved killing her repeatedly until she's too exhausted to reincarnate right away or even move a muscle.

>> No.1937177

>>1937173
;_;

>> No.1937179

>>1937137

Youmu x Danny Phantom is my OTP.

>> No.1937180

>>1937168
Kaguya: Ok I lost you can have back the moon.
Reimu: How do I get it back.
Kaguya: magic
Reimu: Cant do this, Yukari its your turn.
Yukari: Fuck off this is hard work, Kaguya should do it.
Kaguya: Then do a job for me

>> No.1937183

>>1937173
Sakuya should have eaten Mokous guts

>> No.1937186

>>1937183
This reminds me of YWUIG.

>> No.1937189

>>1937186
VN still not finished?

>> No.1937192

>>1937168
Kaguya is very skilled in talking

>> No.1937195
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>>1937160
It was a trial of guts.

>> No.1937196

>>1937189
Last time I went there we were at Prismrivers', with Cirno.
GM probably drowned in a lake after that.

>> No.1937198

>>1937183
If Sakuya wants immortality she probably just needs to throw her jugular in her boss's mouth. If I her the vampire girl whose name escapes me, I would want to have an immortal maid servant with TIME STOP KNIFE THROWING POWERS AND SOME FUCKING BITCHY SPELL CARDS IN IN'S SPELL CARD MODE who has no aspirations for herself beyond serving me around for as long as I'll be alive.

>> No.1937201

Sakuya can play around with time and never die anyway, unless she's killed.

>> No.1937202

>>1937168
Well, it isn't Reimu has anything BETTER to do.

Hell, she did the same shit for the queen of hell or whatever in the PCB extra.

TWICE.

>> No.1937204

Immortal Sakuya would be overpowered

>> No.1937209

>>1937202
Nope. Yuyuku told them the border betwoon Netherworld and Gensokyo was weakened. They should talk to Yukari about it

Borde still not fixed

>> No.1937211

>>1937195
DAT ASS

>> No.1937212
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>>1937198
>the vampire girl whose name escapes me

wat

>> No.1937217

>>1937212
I don't know this touhou shit. Mystia was it?

>>1937209
So even though she got her ass kicked she still didn't do it? What a fag.

>> No.1937220

>>1937217
wat

>> No.1937221

>>1937217
First of all it was Reimu, Marisa and Sakuya vs Yukari
Yukari won

>> No.1937223

>>1937221
I remember the outcome of that battle being VERY different after like 50 bajillion tries on my copy of PCB.

>> No.1937233

>>1937223
But canonically, Reimu, Marisa and Sakuya did NOT get 50 bajillion tries to get it right.
That, or they COULD have, but didn't bother.

>> No.1937240

>>1937233
Well, canon, it took Reimu 50 bajillion tries to get spring back and stop queen of hell whatever from making her tree bloom.

Yukari sounds a little broken though.

>> No.1937254

>>1937198

Remilia can't pass on her porphyric hemophilia. She is "sterile" in a vampirical sense.

>> No.1937266

>>1937221
People always talk about this being canon, but I have never seem proof anywhere. Can somebody provide sauce?

>> No.1937269
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>>1937254
>porphyric hemophilia

>> No.1937272

>>1937266
mention somewhere in ZUNs printworks.

>> No.1937289

But could Reimu beat Yukari after going to the time chamber and training on Namek?

Wait, if Yukari was so hax why did I have so much trouble in IN with her?

>> No.1937302

>>1937289
1 dunno lol
2 spellcard rules + you suck

>> No.1937475
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1937475

>Well, Marisa is a magician so... uh...
>Marisa doesn't shoot the lasers herself, she uses a miniature device that contains the TRUE EMBODIMENT OF FIRE to fire all her attack.
She uses magical devices and phantasmal mushrooms. Marisa has about as much magic power as Battler, but suddenly: Aki Eda.

>>1937266
In IN extra, Yukari said "she thought there were only 3 brave humans". Those could be the 3 heroines who fight her in PCB Phantasm.
Since the border has not been repaired, it is believed that Yukari was either not beaten OR did lose the danmaku fight, but escaped from her responsibility through her gaps.

>> No.1937480

>Wait, if Yukari was so hax why did I have so much trouble in IN with her?
Because Eirin>Toyohime>Yorihime>(Kaguya?)>Yukari>(Kaguya?)

>> No.1937493
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1937493

Ok, just adding something from a similar discussion from somedays ago.

The danmaku, as you may remember, is harmless. Kaguya and Mokou can't die because of a danmaku fight.

>> No.1937530

>>1937475
She probably lost, sent Ran to do it and went to sleep. Ran, however, may not yet have finished the job.

>> No.1937755
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>>1937150

Not sure lunarians are affected by their environment, as Eirin lived on earth for well over a lifetime before Tsukiyomi was even born.
On the other hand, there may be a difference between founders and lunarians in general, since the founders are all based on gods or celestials - but that too is speculation.

>> No.1937969

>>1937480
>Eirin>Kagura
wait wat

>> No.1938043

>>1937969
What is it? That's a well known fact.

>> No.1938068

Mokou doesn't loath Kaguya as much now.

They're essential friendly rivals whose game involves killing each other.

>> No.1938086

>>1938043
>Kagura
Kaguya

>> No.1938093
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1938093

>Kagura

>> No.1938110

>>1938043
But... Kaguya is the alternate tougher boss. Eirin is the normal boss. I don't understand.

>> No.1938128

>>1938110
Eirin holds back out of respect for her master

>> No.1938169

>>1937493
They can turn up the lethality just for each other. Or they can kill themselves from exhaustion.

>> No.1938227

>>1937493
IF YOU CANT DIE FROM DANMAKU THEN WHY DO I DIE SO OFTEN IN TOUHOU

>> No.1938230

>>1938068
They can't be mortal enemies.

>> No.1938232

>>1938227
You don't die, you lose.

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>>1938232
So when Wriggle Nightbug beats me in IN, I don't get to find out what happened to the moon? I just go home and cry myself to sleep?

>> No.1938272

>>1938259
Well... by if you, you mean Reimu and Yukari then, yeah. You both just say "fuck it."

>> No.1938279

>>1938259
If you want to find out what happened, you better be able to beat everyone in your way.

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