Elona Thread

[Anonymous No.]

Wow. It's been almost twelve days without a new thread.

>New? Start here:
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>E+ Changelogs:
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>Elona Custom Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014

>Previous Thread
>>19211069

Current Version: Elona+ 1.77 (30/04/2018)
Latest Custom: E+C 1.77.1

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to WINDOWS 7.

[Anonymous No.]

Lomias did nothing wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19296622
Agree, but he is still a nice stardust source.

[Anonymous No.]

Which shops sell acid proff potions? I'm currently level 60, got about 70 blessed pots of potential, a herb farm working nicely, and am having amazing luck with stardust farming via party time. Everything is looking good... except for acid constantly degrading my shit. I would have figured magic/general shop but if they're in those they are insanely, way beyond flying scroll tier, rare. Not even sure how I'm getting acided when the only enemies I see using acid spawn pools I'm supposed to be immune to via flying.
Also, I had no fucking idea guns and shit can get on-demand timestop, that's amazing

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>>19296783
>Which shops sell acid proff potions?
I'm pretty sure magic shops sell them infrequently. You might want to try hiring magic shop vendors at your house.
>Not even sure how I'm getting acided
Acidic enemies can directly drench you, especially if you try to melee them. Alternatively, if you've been hit with the Gravity status, that'll drag you down into acid pools.

[Anonymous No.]

All but 2 of my vendors are magic vendors, its how I got my potential potions. Guess my luck is just balls.

>>19296875
>>Acidic enemies can directly drench you, especially if you try to melee them
Ah. I'm purely melee (well, was, now I got time stopping ammo) so that explains it
tanks

[Anonymous No.]

It doesn't seem to be possible to collect materials from yourself, did that anon do a lie? You can select the option but it does nothing. I have ever skill in the game so if its a thing you can do I should be able to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

Why the fuck is my shopkeeper not selling anything? It has 105 charisma and 7 negotiation and it still hasn't sold a single item. Could it have to do with my shop only selling dresses?

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>>19297208
Yea, they don't sell cargo, or furniture. Clothing is furniture.

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>>19296622
He exists.

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>>19297163
The button that anon showed was for collecting materials from all of your pets at once, not yourself. He sure has an egg on his face right now!

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>>19297284
Well that's poo, he got me excited :(. Although not a big deal since I'm too lazy to craft anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

Do potions potency scale with anything? For example buffing spells like feather and hero get better with higher spell level. Do their potion variant scale with alchemy skill or anything at all?

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>>19298279
https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_Device
>In Elona+, potions also train Magic Device and receive a benefit from leveling it up. For example, Potions of Speed would benefit with more turns and more speed.

[Anonymous No.]

the real question if restore body spells stamina healing scales
i got regen to a really high level before and if it scaled i couldnt tell the dif

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>>19298355
neither restore spell scales at all

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>>19298370
gay but thx for confirm.

[Anonymous No.]

*putit*

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>>19302335

[Anonymous No.]

thread is dead without op anon and with anos ruination of the game

[Slime Core' left side phone(...) No.]

Whats a method to healing? Potions never seem to heal me enough

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>>19307240
learn a healing spell or get a pet that can.

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>>19307115
Just don’t update.
It’s that easy.

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>>19307240
Eris and Jure healing spells level very quickly and scale well.

[Slime Core' left side phone(...) No.]

>>19307734
>>19307850
I will consider. Thx my dudes. Also, is there more translated info about the eternal league?

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>>19307850
Retard here, how do I make it so that Idon't overcast the spell?

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>>19307240
join mage guild, reserve jure

>>19307843
result of that is less to talk about. we only got 16 unique ips to begin with. most of which have already explored pretty much all the games meaningful content that isn't ''punch enough putits to be able to punch out god''

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>>19308200
Stop hitting putits with your fists and start hitting them with MIND BULLETS.

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>>19308521
>MIND BULLETS
I don't think I have those. I do have lasers though.

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>>19308200

If a spell costs more MP than your current max MP, overcasting happens no matter what. Train your Magic to get more MP.

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>>19296418
Did someone rotate the camera to take that photo? What the fuck.

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>>19308764
Cameras are a rarity in North Tyris.
Someone who knows how to properly use one is even rarer.

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>>19308207
But that's just par for the course. I mean by now I just play to role play characters, like preparing for the super putit trainer build.

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>>19296418
Is the download link dead for anyone else?

>>19307115
>ano's ruination of the game
Explain

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>>19311800
>Explain
Recent discussion on the game's progressive updates has been largely focused around the weird nerf choices and introduced limitations or anti-grinding implementations. Next version is anticipated to be another wave of this with the anti grinding random spawn + Thirst mechanic.

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>>19311800
>Is the download link dead for anyone else?

The Google Drive one is, but the BloodyShade backups are fine.

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>>19311848
havent followed e+ too much, does the guy also add content or only esports balancement

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>>19313034
Nothing much gets added anymore, it's mostly just maintained. Custom AI is the closest thing to new content you'll get with it since they want to maintain compatability with regular E+.

[Anonymous No.]

So is there a reason my guy chugs down random potions while walking in the overworld causing me to be poisoned around every 5 minutes?

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>>19313943
I think there's a potion adict etherwind disease

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>>19313943
Yeah you ought to find a cure corruption potion before you start drinking acid

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>>19308200
Bench more magic.

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>>19311800
my mutant with like 20 arms does 0 damage after 2 turns hitting a thing if i use normal attacks. its a bit weird.

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>>19314733
Bench?

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>>19316846
Train

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>>19313943
I had this and dripping poison from my hands, which poisoned nearly every potion I touched.
Fun times.

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>>19317433
Thanks to all the anons here, I managed to get a Potion of Cure Corruption from gambling since I was conveniently near the Port. Drinking all of my 20 something dye bottles was pretty shit. But even more fucking poison sounds like absolute hell.

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>>19317444
You should always keep at least a single potion of cure corruption handy since ether sickness is just a matter of time.

[Anonymous No.]

Assuming I already have a Farm and Museum, should I replace my Cave first to get more adventurers allies or buy a Shop since I'm constantly broke?

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>>19317878
You don't need a better house to get adventurer allies. Farm/Ranch is for food, special drops, and artifacts. Museum is just spare income since the plat takes a really long time to develop. Shop is for cash. House is for extra shopkeepers. Trying to recruit adventurers is generally just a matter of preparation and luck.

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>>19317898
So I should get a shop first since I'm basically broke all the time?

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>>19318029
Most people recommend a farm or ranch + cooking, as the first money maker.

[Anonymous No.]

So, hey, where are all the places one might misplace a pet at? I've just started playing again after a while, and while taking stock, I can't seem to find my fairy from kumiromi. Checked the call ally list, the resurrect list, the discarded ranch, and the dojo. Anywhere else they could be? Or did they cease to be when I wasn't looking? I doubt I abandoned/fused them, but I suppose I might have.

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So is reading skillbooks at Little Sister Mansion really the fastest way to level skills early to midgame or is there a faster way?
>>19318347
Did you reset the dojo map with your pets in it because IIRC that also erases your pets if they're there.

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>>19318430
Nah, I still have a few pets running around the dojo. I don't believe I've ever reset any maps.

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>>19318347
Did you check your house? You can leave pets there using the house board.

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>>19319298
Yep. I think the fairy is just gone. I probably abandoned it... Well, I can always get more. :/

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone willing to share their ara ara nee-san tone files?

[Anonymous No.]

So what are the highest party time scores people have gotten? I don't remember if I'd gotten higher, but 23504 is the best since I've started playing again.

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>>19320455
I remember you could get some pretty ridiculous scores back before it was changed so that summoned NPCs don’t count.

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>>19320584
They count, there's just a 1/5 multiplier on them with a 100 point cap. But yeah, I'd imagine you could get some crazy numbers before.

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>>19320635
Ah, to clarify, it caps at level 100 for 20 pts each. Not 100 points at level 500.

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>>19320584
>>19320635
Also don’t the gods have ridiculous multipliers for the unique NPC bonus?
Obviously there’s the price of summoning them, but I remember a long time ago someone would entertain them for massive boosts.

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>>19320782
That, I do not know. How much perform do you need to succeed? Somewhere in the 400 range? I'm not keen on getting my character stoned by a deity...

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>>19320782
Also I think that someone was Kai.

[Anonymous No.]

I had some wish spell stock saved up, so I tested it on a throw-away save and mani is worth 355 points. The bonus with mani and 2 other vps was a 199% bonus. That's kinda bad... Don't know if it was nerfed or what, but they only seem to give the normal amount of points scaled to their levels. I'd assume inner gods would be worth 2000-ish points or 16,000 for the whole pantheon. Maybe with a 4-8x multiplier for the bunch, but not at all worth the effort. You'd be lucky to get even a single hero cheese out of the whole effort.

[Anonymous No.]

>there are people here with 150+ throwaway saves
>i struggle to keep interested once I reach act 2, max speed with ap and everything is suddenly either super easy or 1 shots me with no inbetween so haven't even made it to leve 100

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>>19322988
Ah, I didn't mean the character was a throwaway, I meant I copied it. The *save* was a throwaway.

[Anonymous No.]

I wont to fuck the miromi

[Anonymous No.]

Hello, haven't played Elona+ for about a year now. When I restore my character, the game gives me the message displayed in attached image. I'm unable to screencap the message fully, because the game lowers my resolution. I didn't have this problem previously and I haven't done anything with my Elona+ installation, it has just been sitting on my hard drive. What does the message say and how can I get rid of it.


My game version is 1.68.

[Anonymous No.]

>Just bought a castle, now I lost all motivation to play because I hate decorating my house
Pls help

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>>19324902
Go to options and turn off all networking. Servers are dead.

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>>19325023
Oh...

So no longer those messages about other players?

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>>19325036
Nope. Alias voting is also disabled.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19325043
Oh well. Thanks for the answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19324996
My tactic aka Decor For Dummies:
1. Make a layout with rooms. Ripping off the small castle layout is a good start.
2. Theme each room and just drop a bunch of matching crap in them.

I live right next to the embassy so finding furniture isn't really an issue.

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>>19325152
I guess it's my own fault for putting my house near noyel for novelty sake. Also, what's the fastest way to go to rank 1? I want to start my own god harem like the cool kids around here.

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>>19325875
Make a bunch of luxury sofas/rugs. That worked for me, they count for quite a bit. That or stack happy beds

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>>19326084
Where can I get those sofas? Do I need to level up the vendors in the embassy?

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>>19326259
Crafting skills, they're either under carpentry or tailoring. You might need to raise your skill to make them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19326274
It's tailoring. Although you can use carpentry and jeweler to craft furniture with a pot for fusion.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19326274
Ah I see, all this time I've been wasting my time with all these barrels when I could've just made myself a sofa

[Anonymous No.]

I love Elona but i want to try something else still similar to it
Any help?

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>>19328214
Similar in what way?
Cataclysm DDA is an open ended roguelike rpg as well, with more of a sci-fi setting and more of a survival emphasis.
It’s also really rough around the edges and makes Ano look like the god of good balance, however.

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>>19328245
Similar in that freedom Elona gives and the randomness shitshow that comes with it

[Anonymous No.]

Finally got Assault gold! From a random challenge quest no less. I'd been buying treasure maps by the dozens trying to get this thing. Now I only need a five-horned helm (haha, easy right?), and I'll call my equipment layout finished. I'll still need to artifact fusion everything up of course. Kids, don't build your character around getting specific gear drops! Build with the flexibility to adapt to the gear you get!

[Anonymous No.]

do you know of any other games like this one

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>>19328992
Elona, particularly with plus, has generally taken a different direction than most roguelikes (the same genre), placing less emphasis on the survival aspect and more on the open ended aspect. You can try searching over at rlg on vg or somewhere but finding close analogs to Elona isn't that easy

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>>19328992
Similar in what? Tone? Genre?

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>>19328843
Is assault gold actually good?

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>>19331833
it's an ok wing to use as a base, it's just so stupidly rare that you normally never get it before you find something else.

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>>19328843
Good luck tracking down adventurers to gift! Personally, I'm hunting for status immunity/see invis Nefia Cores for my own final gear. I've found a total of 13 Nefia Cores so far, and only one was a status immunity core. It's going to take me a long time to get all the ones I need...

[Anonymous No.]

Is the download link for the newest version of Elona+ in the pastebin not working?

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>>19332529
Which one are you using?

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>>19332529
Try the bloodyshade one, that one still works

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to go back to an older Elona version?

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>>19332751
Not with a save, but you can manually download the client and start a new game.

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>>19332100
i got it from like the first adventurer i decided to try and trade with lol

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>>19328992
Rune Factory is the closest. Shares a lot of the same activities (farming, fishing, hitting nodes in dungeons for materials), has similar stat growth mechanics but with no potential system, lets you capture and recrut most/any (in 4) monster, lets you have them solo the game for you and lets you ride them.
3/4 are the good ones.
Its not turn based if that's the aspect you like.

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>>19331833

It's not that great exactly. My current build would carry right through the end game just fine. I already 1 shot things twice my level. When I was starting this character one of my goals was to see the highest damage I could get with a 2-handed weapon, without getting the speed debuff from too many limbs.

So I listed out every piece of non-claw equipment that added a damage boost, or had built in traits that were sufficiently useful and rare. Assault gold just happens to have the highest built in damage boost. Five horned helm is almost as good as the strongest generic arm gear, but also has multi-attacks. So those made my list, rare though they be.

>>19332159

That's what I'm in for next. I've already tracked down most of them, just need see invisible myself. My temp helmet + temp sword has it, but I'll be switching them out later. Then its resists + vorpal till the gear caps out.

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>>19296418

I saw the thumbnail from far away and thought she was holding a horse cock.

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>>19333641
more like submarine

[Anonymous No.]

Elona Discord:

https://discord.gg/5fRsynt

They've just finished translating Omake Overhaul to English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19337010
Just for more visibility. ^

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>>19337010
On a scale from 0-10 how much am I gonna regret clicking on this?

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>>19337216
Discord is owned and operated by jews. If that doesn't tell you everything you need to know you aren't paying enough attention.

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>>19321996
you're doing this wrong.

let's have some math:

An inner god will bring you 1205 points, plus +420% modifier (this is 400% for levels and 20% for being unique).

I'm not sure what the upper limit for summonings are, but I'd guess it's about 40 if you nuke the place first. If you summon 40 inner gods, you will have:

points = (1205 * 40) * (4.2 * 40 + 1) = 8.112 million points. This is equal to 811,200 music tickets, which is enough for 23 slices of hero cheese.

This costs you about 40 wishes, or 80 if you're going to use sandbags to hold the inner gods down.

So the real question is, is it an OK ratio? Well the alternative is to Wish for Astral Light Pens, use them on Little Sisters and get cheese that way. In which case 23 hero cheeses would cost 230 wishes. So this is a significant saving.

[Anonymous No.]

25-handed mutant + 25 maxxed-out skill-bonus living weapons = some truly weird and broken things.

Each level seems to add +10 to a skill now (the wiki is outdated as usual). This means you can in theory have 25 * 14 * 10 = +3500 to a single stat or skill. Of course you'd also be sucked dry by all the bloodsucking, so you can't use this as EDC.

But there's nothing stopping you from abusing crafting. Trismagistus / Violent Skull Sword suddenly becomes OP as fuck.

You can also get +3500 Luck and abuse blackmarkets. If you have +2000 base this puts you over the 5000 luck cap, which means every single item that generates will be one level higher. You will have godly items out the wazoo.

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>>19339681
Living weapons have always been stupidly broken. At least with the structure they have now there's actually a cap versus the old days when you just save scummed constantly to get growth.

[Anonymous No.]

First time trying to play this and I fuck up the installation. Tried to do the Windows 7 Compatibility but I get the same result and I can not find anything else. Whenever I try to run the .exe, a small windows pops up for a sec and closes immediately. Currently using Windows 8.1 (I THINK it was 8.1) if that matters. Does anyone know what is going on?

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>>19340229
Uh is it popping up a window but the program isn't running? What version are you running?

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>>19340408
It pops up a blank window, which closes itself immediately on its own. I wanted to try the Elona+ Custom from the Pastebin link. The 1.77.1 thingy.

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>>19339598
Hmm, well I'm certainly game to try it. Right now I only have 330~ perform though. I haven't been keeping my potential up, since I didn't think I'd ever find anything worth the effort. When I get much north of 1000~ I should be able to convert them. Now, can you wish for inner gods directly? Or do you have to summon normal ones first, then kill them, and convince the inner one to be peaceful somehow?

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>>19340518
Or would I only need 1000+ charisma with fascination dance?

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>>19340229
Are you running it as admin?

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>>19340770
Tried that too, always got the same result

[Anonymous No.]

1.78

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Q-wiFhWmZTb1LIfiJBVzDJoqbV-RdB_o

https://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28916

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>>19340770

Did you make sure paste the custom+ files over the normal elona files? They're required.

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>>19340783

Meant to reply to this post.

[Anonymous No.]

At least the anti-afk feature is hard to trigger, 1,000 turns in the pet arena, or 10,000 normal attacks without moving anywhere else. Why bother adding it though? Wouldn't your potentials crash to nothing by then?

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>>19340856
The ingredients for the junk make recipe no longer accept items that you can grab an infinite amount of. Also increased the number of items needed by 1 so that you can't keep using the recipe by inputting products as ingredients

Why? Disregarding that it removes the easiest way to focus on magic device in the early game, it just became a big pain in the ass to do the whole dairy processing thing.

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>>19340988
>>19340982

I am a brainlet and embarrassed at what I have done wrong. Thank you all for the help. I genuinely feel retarded.

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>>19340856
>The ingredients for the junk make recipe no longer accept items that you can grab an infinite amount of. Also increased the number of items needed by 1 so that you can't keep using the recipe by inputting products as ingredients.
Ano, this is why an entire article was written about people disliking you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19340856
>reading any deed gives you a watersports action
>"After all, you've got to mark your territory."

[Anonymous No.]

>Coming back to elona
>All this talk about E+ getting ruined
Should I even get the newest version?
Or is there a recommended older version?

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>>19341551
Just get Omake Overhaul already, you have options now.

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>>19341551
v1.75 is the latest E+/EC that doesn't have major nerfs and peeing actions. I think the Omake translator guys were thinking about incorporating some of Custom's additions too.

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>>19341560
>>19341599
Oh thanks, I'll try omake, especially if they're incorporating E+ stuff.
I thought omake was just a little sister meme mod.

[Anonymous No.]

I do believe I dun fucked. This happened right after character creation. Right after the little intro is done

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>>19341622
The Omake branch actually touches up on vanilla, and does something that has been a growing problem in Plus- keeping pets in check.

There has been constant greentext stories about how waifus end up overtaking PCs unless they cram herbed food non-stop. Now having a team actually feels like adventuring as a group rather than purely Harem Simulator.

[Anonymous No.]

Petition to change "Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to WINDOWS 7." to "Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to WINDOWS 7, run it as Administrator, and remember that Elona Custom is a mod for Elona+ and not a standalone installation."

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>>19341653
I really don’t feel like going back to the days where pets were honestly just a liability, being dumb as a doornail, far squishier than the PC, and never getting better spells or spacts.

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>>19341855
Pets do get quite a few buffs in Omake Overhaul, just not nearly as much as elona+. I've no idea if it's enough to stay on par with the PC though. You can also give them more jobs than just shopkeep too.

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>>19341560
How different is the omake overhaul? do I need to start a new character again?

[Anonymous No.]

Just read the changelog for 1.78. Not impressed.
Why does ano want to keep people from having fun, it seems? Adding more and more nerfs and "rules" just makes things worse. Oh, you found a way to work around or exploit the mechanics of the game? It's gone now.

Having fun going through dungeons? Too bad they're pretty much worthless now.

Mansion of the Little Sister art is gone now, btw.

And why is ano so obsessed with watersports? More time spent explaining the mechanics of piss than almost anything else this "update"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19342141
It's very different. There's actually 2 whole mods here.


Omake -> http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_(omake) which mostly does bugfixes and tiny balance changes. It's also the source of all the little sister jokes, with little sister day, roving bands of little sisters, etc.

Omake Overhaul -> http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_(omake_overhaul) Which is a much bigger mod adding a lot to the game. There are way to many feature changes to describe.

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>>19342416
Does ano has a devblog or something we can dump our grievances? cause I'm about to dump a huge load

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>>19342432
Do I need to relearn mechanics if I wanted to get into it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19342416
>More time spent explaining the mechanics of piss than almost anything else this "update"
A piss mechanic that introduces an unnecessary extra resource to balance (Thirst) for everyone who doesn’t give a shit about it.

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>>19342466
For the advance stuff like smithing and details like combining enchanted potions? Probably. But it is still Elona, you can play the base game the same as always, harvesting your watermelons in Yowyn. You'll also need to unlearn some Elona+ things. Performer isn't nerfed in this version and dungeons still drop tons of loot.

[Anonymous No.]

Omake's "Turn a dungeon into a village" mechanic seems pretty nice. Like your own personal Derphy. Why couldn't ano add something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19342586
Does the overworld never refresh or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19342586
Deed dungeon, not random dungeon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19342596
deeds, not random

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>>19342598
>>19342604
Ah.
Isn’t that functionally equivalent to redesigning a house to be a dungeon though?
Or did omake actually fill out town systems?

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>>19342623
Seems like you can recruit villagers and such, but I'm not so sure since I haven't played it. Just looking through the list of changes omake brings and how much better custom could be if ano wasn't such a pissy piss fanatic who hates fun

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to get E+ or any other graphics into OmakeOverhaul?
The ones in OO are atrocious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19342767
There are, same way as normal, edit the spritesheets. Someone is working on a port of the beautify pack over on discord.

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>>19342630
It's the same "base" system as their auxiliary pet functions. Omake's logic basically emphasizes more on the single player game with pets being static npcs to assist, so other static npcs become an extension of that.

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>>19342416
Great, absolutely no need to update E+ past 1.76 then

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw I just accidentally killed myself with my own loot in my backpack

[Anonymous No.]

This website uses magic code to make cute anime girls, they're great if you want portraits. https://make.girls.moe

They also have some sort of tgc/bitcoin thing that works with this but i don't touch that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

What was the Nefia nerf in E+ that everyone dislikes? Was it the changes to gold drops back in 1.66 and 1.64, or something else?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone tried ALPing the main story characters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19342458
I think he has an email address for things like that right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19343194
Nothing recently that I can see, probably still sore about the gold nerf. Unless they really don't like material spots being harvested in 1 turn for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19343284
Uh I ALPed the Meshera end boss before and that was about it. Considered trying a ALP on the Queen or Lomias before but then the whole pet thing is too tedious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19343437
Wasn't there a change to the number of small medals you get for beating bosses?
Anyway, whatever the nerf was, it wasn't to random loot quality. I'm finding a fairly steady stream of scrolls of gain attribute.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19343559
Yeah, that too. They also made equipment have a lower sell price, but then buffed the equipment drops with enchants and such. Overall it made dungeons yield similar rates, but you had to strip them bare, I believe. Not sure though, never saw the numbers myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19343437
>>19343570

Good to know. I've been playing 1.71 for ages and I like dungeons, so I was wondering if I missed out on anything special in previous versions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19343559
A lot of the changes affect the "grind" end of dungeon farming, where time optimization becomes the primary gauge and it's more about "what's the most effective method" rather than "is this method effective".

Dungeons under this format under become "viable" during nefia fever, but because nefia fever is inconsistent, that inherently means that dungeons themselves are fairly inconsistent.

The general "fun" behind the dungeons hasn't changed, the format is still the same, threats are largely the same, thresholds are largely the same.

[Anonymous No.]

It didn't really work out for me last time, but I can't decide on a character for omake overhaul. I want someone to decide my "minus feats" and I'll try to build a character around that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19344422
Nil magic (can't use magic tier 1)
Decrepit (weak constitution tier 3)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19344624
Oh, and, Indecisiveness might be a good one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19344624
>>19344666
This will certainly be interesting. I thought it would be much worse.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19344863
Ha! I was tempted. There are some evil combos in there. Are you the snail with a pet yeek?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19344940
Yes and it was a kamikaze yeek.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19343284
Yeah, it's really only good for waifuism IMO.

There are some decent ready made targets like Fron or Meshera end boss that come with high stats and/or super regen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19328992
ADoM is close to Elona if it weren't for its complete western style.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19341653
>Now having a team actually feels like adventuring as a group rather than purely Harem Simulator.
Cool. I've never enjoyed using pets in Elona+ because they start the game stronger than you and scale faster.
Not liking the sound of its stamina changes though; heavy armor both reduces max and makes you use more. Which would just encourage going naked/switching to light at any point I'm not in combat (since stamina actions are mostly outclassed by magic in battle anyways) which is tedious. Stamina is already one of the worst mechanics in Elona.

The lack of Gavela/AP/Ini resetting npcs will also mean races actually feel unique again, instead of me having to abuse a loophole on newgame+ for mutant to have a noteworthy number of limbs and snail/golems speed being the same as everyone else once you get to act 2 since it caps at 800 on all.

>>19343284
ALP?

>>19343194
Gold nerf. I used to primarily progress through the game via dungeons and run into no gold issues. Not feasible now.

>>19344422
Monotheist.
Chaste.
Vow (to your god).
Avoids murder
You are a Nun or Priest. Your name begins with 'Sister' or 'Brother'.
I may run with this myself. Will need to see about making a nun outfit that'll fit my sprite.
Alternate set:
Monotheist.
Chaste.
Vow (to your god).
Trigger Happy
If there's a way to add custom compulsive feats and increase the number, the ideal would be to have a melee and offensive magic version of Trigger Happy or simply a ''need to kill someone'' version because you worship an evil dickish god that wants blood. Good for worshippers of Lulwy.
Another fun option would be a custom god that can smite things and Innocent.

[Anonymous No.]

Just got a wish on a new character on Omake, wat do? Is Seven League Boots still the best choice?

[Anonymous No.]

Where do you download omake overhaul? And is it in english? All the links on the wiki lead to japan sites yet the changelog is translated so I'm confused.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345549
There should be an English version? I mean I play in Japanese anyways since it's nice to just sit down and read a bit so I dunno.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345549
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:28162

On the link for Omake, click the button and then click the topmost blue word.

[Anonymous No.]

Since I made my many handed mutant without having realized that got nerfed during the time I wasn't following Elona and its no fun with the chain mechanic at all I think I'll jump on the bandwagon and try Omake too. Sounds a bit more appealing than piss play.
Having races/classes be more meaningful should be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345525
>Cool. I've never enjoyed using pets in Elona+ because they start the game stronger than you and scale faster.
Pets generally become deadweight relatively quickly in Omake, and it's generally better to just focus solo and forget that they existed other than utility purposes. A lot of the existing mod functions like hammer upgrading and karma weapons are best when used with a solo character.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345584
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345595
Well I'm used to playing solo so fuck it that's fine. Not ideal, but pets seem kind of inherently too hard to balance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345600
The caveat should probably be stated but because of a large number of system overhauls, your playstyle may shift and you may find that having sacrificial pet fodder early on (before transitioning them into npcs) is more effective. Adapting to the changes is generally the most difficult part of Omake because of the sheer number that exist. Some of them are kinda inconsequential like the Knight of Little Girl thing but then others like the Hammer Leveling, Justice/Evil Weapons can be stupidly confusing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345616
I've never bothered using ranged attacks, most magic (really just magic dart), using pets, riding pets, really anything other than hitting things in the face. If I can still do that I should be fine.

[Anonymous No.]

Absolutely based mod

[Anonymous No.]

Are the various ''you are X with Y'' weapon traits from class gainable some other way in Omake Overhaul? Or does ''You become furious mean something bad''? 'Cause most classes have +15, +5%, +5%. It gets two +70% bonuses and an 80% to tactics growth. Seems a bit imba

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345751
Oh wait I see, it starts with feat points put into feats, but they're feats any char can get. It does get an insanely disproportionate amount compared to anything else, probably because it gets berserker.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345525
>ALP?
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Astral_Light_Pen

[Anonymous No.]

send help :(
evil loli attack squads

[Anonymous No.]

I would play omake but I can't handle to nerf to pets. I personally think that pets are great in e+ and I don't think I can function without them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345911
You can actually kill shit reliably in Omake if you know the basics. You can live without pet breakfast, anon.

[Anonymous No.]

You could do both of those things just fine in Elona+; my most recent Elona+ char never used pets for anything other than shop and ranch and was still at max potential whenever I wanted. I assume he just wants pets to remain strong in combat because he likes watching them go around killing stuff. Which is fine, just stay with Elona+ if pets are important

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345911
Function wise you shouldn't have a problem in Omake because it takes multiple steps away from the difficulty aspect of a roguelike and generally prefers to make the game simpler and quicker to pick up. It's actually far easier to powergame Omake once you adapt to the new mechanics thanks to a lot of the changes focused on attaining power quicker. That being said realistically 1.72-1.76 E+ is already a "finalized" game, so there's no reason not to play Omake just as an "alternate" game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19333509
wut race r u that can get these slots without getting the debuff? mutant would get the debuff since it gets at least 16 limbs. so it must be one of the special ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>19346408
He doesn't need to be a special race as long as his base race has few enough parts, just savescum Doctor Gavela until he gets to the set he wants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19346408
>>19346536
And yes Mutants can get those slots without debuff, because you can reset and cap yourself via the Ambitious Scientist & Gavela, though the process is convoluted and perhaps counterproductive to some.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345584
>>19345549
My bad anon, that's regular Omake. Omake Overhaul is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/Elona/comments/8vdizj/omake_overhaul_en_initial_release/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19340856
>Every 50 levels of Armor skill will now decrease the Pierce of the attacker's weapon by 1%.
Am I reading this right? Enemies in their 2000s now also have a FREE 40% pierce reduction?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19345991
>>19346026
It's not that I rely on my pets to win for me it's that I like to actually roleplay and create my own stories, plots and characters in the game and I can't do that when my companions keep dying to the point where they're completly useless, that severally hurts the role-playing potential. One thing I do like about omake is that it seems give custom npc creation more depth which is a missive plus in roleplay potential to me.

[Anonymous No.]

Does riding give an accuracy penalty? I bought a horse but now I can never hit anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19346939
Just roleplay that they are krilin.
>>19347176
Yes. There's a feat to reduce this, as well as more skill helps reduce the penaltiy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19346408
I'm a snail. I changed it to racing snail with the philosophers mask you get as a reward from doggod's forest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19346911
yea bro but its cool because u can pee on them now

[Anonymous No.]

Seems Omake still has 15pp flat cost for skills. Gods are much cooler though. Blanaces out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19346536
>savescum Doctor Gavela
Didn't that get changed to where you can choose the parts you get? (Although nobody ever documented it anywhere...)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19348318
Yea, you can. They have different life costs. You save scum mutant limbs.
Looks like Omake crashes when guards try to say... something. Can't tell what but its only guards and only sometimes so I'm guessing the issue is them trying to say a thing.
Lack of identification NPC's is a bit tedious.
Its like QoL v immersion

[Anonymous No.]

>>19348318
Yep, you can choose your part but it'll cost much more than before. Hands and arms seem to be some of the more expensive bits. The price goes up as you get more life stat.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19348335
Oh identification NPC's still in. Just either in different spots or the one in Palmia got murdered.

[Anonymous No.]

Fun fact of the day! In Elona+ income tax is capped at 78,000. (Disclaimer: I have the tax feat and prepaid tax bill).

I was messing with yacatect's bank, and noticed my income taxes were no longer changing once I got that high. You'll need other people to confirm I suppose, it might be a coincidence on my end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19348684
Looks like it's 85,000 normally. Also, neat; no financial pain for taking tens of millions out of my shop strongbox.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the Devour skill useful for?

[Anonymous No.]

>enjoy fish and black cat changes
>hate the piss change
what do

[Anonymous No.]

How do you get more than 2 God Servants?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19348915
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:17104

[Anonymous No.]

>>19348938
Such a pain in the ass to go through his code and add and remove stuff I like
Probably should do it for the experience though

[Anonymous No.]

How do I remove cursed equips from people who ain't me or my pet? An obnoxiously large number of people in Palmia are teleporting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349115
If you freeze them to death enough, either the slot gets destroyed/dropped or they stop spawning and get replaced (adventurer's).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349289
You might also try and see if a rod of remove curse exists, since you can target rods.

[Anonymous No.]

Early game in Omake is super annoying as Golem. Too slow to do any quests other than combat. Combat quests are rare. Anything above 1 green pip is insanely hard to win because of low speed. Equip better armor to take hits, it tanks your speed even lower. 15 PP just to get riding. Another 15 if I want to farm. Maybe should play another race, not sure. Depends on how hard speed is to raise in this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349296
Prolly try this if I can find any since I'm nowhere near strong enough to kill them and have 2 MP so killing with magic is a definite no unless I also find ice rods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19340856
>Marking
>Learned when using any deed. After all, you've got to mark your territory.
>Decreases hydration when at Wetting status or above.
>When targeting the tile beneath your character, it generates a urine at your feet.
>When targeting an adjacent tile with an NPC on it, it will splash onto that NPC, applying [Fury] and Wet status for a fixed 3 turns, stacking with the existing number of turns of Fury and Wet the NPC is already afflicted with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349391
Elona+ has actually jumped the shark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19341855
For some reason, pets are still too squishy more me. I've got a freaking Xeren Electric Tank at level 43 and it's still getting blown up by some of the trickier random encounters, while all my elec dragons need to be micromanaged to keep them from dying and the electric sheep are just plain cannonfodder. How do I give Tyris ELECTRIC JUSTICE?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349445
If this is Omake, Pets require about twice as much investment as usual to be kept afloat. Generally speaking Pets in Omake are not worth it except for use as function slaves, because they will die constantly. You sort of have to get used to this, especially in the lategame when pets are too much of a hassle to keep functional. It becomes a really tedious hassle to keep them up to pace, and it's better to just let them go.

If this is E+ and you're running into the "My pets are dying nonstop situation" you're probably not bothering to raise their stats or equipment and they're experiencing falloff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349445
Filling all your resistances is tricky.
Doing the same thing for all your pets as well is a nightmare.
Throw in hero cheeses and you realize that pets are still expensive. Just not worthless for the price.

[Anonymous No.]

>Get cursed via sleep in omake
>Can't cure via NPC
>No shop has curse curing scrolls
This is annoying

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349465
I ain’t that guy but I think you just un-sold me on Omake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349519
You don't really need to have pets to succeed in Omake though, and not having pets actually streamlines the process quite a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349472
>bring giant robot to his buddy
>get free gifts
>give gifts to dwarf girl
>artifact fusion unlocked
>craft resistance materials
>all resistances filled

[Anonymous No.]

Yeah, the + dev might be going off the deep end, but + still has a ton of features, content, and inertia. It won't be replaced and disappear that easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349566
You realize there’s not one but two acts you have to haul your pets through before you get there, right?
And even then gain attribute scrolls are uncommon enough to make spending them on basic resists a questionable, and at the very least time consuming, proposition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349562
Succeeding is not the problem, I enjoy having my small adventuring party.
I never got into Elona much before I dug into allies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349607
Generally speaking you don't bother with pet resistances early on unless you're powergrinding or reset grinding. Reset grinding is the easiest to do this with generally speaking since getting full equipment is so easy, but technically powergrinding with alternated ranch farms for corpse resistance boosts is still viable even if it isn't anywhere near as effective.

With reset grinding it's generally possible to have a full set of 6 resists to everything except maybe magic. With normal ranch grinding it's not too bad to have it at around 2 - 3 resist depending on the pet. Though realistically with things as they are if you're aiming for a speedrun, you could just arm yourself with something like a XSU from inheritance (normal Bell with one of the monster balls if you don't want to consider inheriting) and go from there to push through acts 1 and 2.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349630
The hell is reset grinding?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349519
Yea Omake just feels meh so far. The downside feats all give the same extra points regardless of how punishing they are, which is pretty lame.
Insanely imbalanced free feats; some classes get like 1 or 2 feats, others get like 5+ points worth for free, Samurai gets like 9 points worth.
Can't heal curse via NPC
Can't pick a free extra feat on chargen to get annoying guild only skills and the like
15 PP cost from the start
No PP in the mail
No free skill tokens
No way to view how much gods like you
Slower gathering of mats in dungeons

Reading in the changelog it has some really cool things and generally good reasoning behind them but the early game is incredibly slow and tedious in comparison.

Imma keep at it but I'm not exactly having much fun trying to walk around puppy cave to find scrolls or walk up and down around palmia to refresh its stops then try and hope I teleport vaguely near the shop to try and hope it has a scroll of uncurse to try and fix this cursed item.

>>19349643
Usually refers to using backspace to reset an area for guaranteed good stuff. Ie reset spamming the gods area for the herb seeds. That or save scumming. Not sure if it was removed from the game or not since I never liked the idea of doing it; its essentially cheating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349643
Cheating. They reset story dungeons and such to keep re-running them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349630
>Generally speaking you don't bother with pet resistances early on
I mean, you probably want to unless you want them to get blown up every time a dragon or two steps into view, and be generally worthless against everything dangerous like bosses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19348882
Killing low health enemies and getting the benefit of eating their corpse.
>>19348918
Oh right, Elona+ changed the limit. I think the only way is to leave a god pet on a ranch and abandon the original for their child.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349630
If you're inheriting, you could just give yourself artifact fusion'd gear with every resistance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349690
For mid-late Act 2 this is an issue, but for Act 1 generally you won't have any problems. Well, at least if you're following "optimized" pet paths anyways. If you're using standard pets...well even with resistances they're more than likely to just end up dead in the OP's circumstances.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349722
You can technically get a XSU inherited even without ending Act 1 (Since Merchant shops will sell high level monster balls), but Artifact Fusion requires you to work your way to act 3.

On the other hand making a full set of AF Equipment (E+ or OO) is a ridiculously long grind (moreso in OO where Hero Weapons are arguably better than AF Weapons if the Evil Infinite level thing is still there). Though I suppose you could say that a properly built Hero Weapon is enough to break the game.

[Anonymous No.]

How can I identify lots of items in Omake Overhaul? IDing with NPCs is much more expensive than in Elona+

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349874
Run through Puppy Cave and slowly build up cash via selling items, identify in small stacks periodically so you can maximize profits, repeat until the large majority of loot you find in the Cave is base identified and accumulate identify scrolls from there. It's the old Puppy cycle, and it is extremely important in OO because new Nefias can be ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349698
I tried doing that but the game considered the child as a second god servant. Or maybe I should've gotten the child servant after getting the new one from the altar.

[Anonymous No.]

Just started playing Elona+ since yesterday. Is there anything I can store my unecessary shit inside of? Right now I dropped dozens and dozens of items on one spot inside the hobo shack.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349939
Storage items are few and hard to come by, and are generally ultra specialized.
Bread Racks for example only store bread.
Bookshelves only store books.
Refridgerators store food. These three only work while in your house.

You eventually will probably buy a deed of storage house (because you run out of room in your house), but even then you just end up dumping items in a stack on the floor.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349889
OO sounds more and more tedious with every post about it.

>>19349939
Just dump them on the floor in your house because storage items in this tend to be for specific types of items.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349939
Vernis has a couple of quest dungeons that are safe storage zones after you clear them out. The bandits aren't too tough, but don't go into the slime cave until you're ready.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349972
This was actually the same cycle that E+ used in its early days, before eventually things were "standardized".

Personally I don't see it as particularly tedious as it's a different game altogether. It's easier to compare OO to old Elona rather than OO to E+, because the branching occurred a bit too early and E+ has changed a bit too much (same could be said for OO)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19349995
I learned that the hard way. The only way I could escape the hell I got myself into after my companion got molten was by getting the slimes drunk and killed in their own acid. Took me quite a while to cheese it.

But thanks. Cant drop anything inside my house. Didnt know you could drop stuff inside the cave and inside the bandit hideout

[Anonymous No.]

How hard is it to raise speed in OO? Trying to decide between Golem or Dwarf. I like Golem the most of the races but I also tend to just rush act 2 and fix the speed which isn't a thing in OO. Not a fan of riding.
Also, we've gone from about 20-30 average unique IP's to currently 60
Posted this in /rgl/ by mistake :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350025
Iirc the speed upper and hermes blood things aren't there, so it's a bit more awkward? You can go for Mani/Lulwy blessed food but that's about it as far as I know. You're not going to suddenly burst up in speed early on.

>>19350020
If you can't drop anything inside your house you may have reached maximum stack size.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350025
A lot harder early-mid game, since there is no buff to herme's potion, speed upper, or AP farming. But late game there should be much better options, since grinding is easier in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350061
I tried to drop something away from that large stack. It just wouldnt let me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350120
No, read that as "maximum number of stacks of items". E.g., a stack of 2 rations only takes up one "space".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350147
Hmm, I see then. Thank you for the info

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350061
>>19350065
No golem then. Noticing I'm losing speed for 'equip weight' which kind of sucks. Like I can somewhat understand the reasoning, damage and armor v more actions, but even in combat that means leveling slower, healing less, just generally being worse. And out of combat it means tediously stripping yourself or having a penalty to speed with no upside at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350065
Oh right, and skills have different main attributes in + don't they. Are there any skills that work off of speed in vanilla/Omake?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350281
Different types of armour comes with speed penalties yes. But generally speaking OO is easier to play, so high boosting speed isn't as big of a priority until you get into the extensive grinding phase.

OO is an Elona version with much stricter speed controls, so it ends up feeling "slower" in the mid game. It's hard to play OO objectively after E+, since it takes a while to delve into the major differences, but once you do it isn't bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350378
What makes it easier? I've read through pretty much all the changelog and I'm not really seeing anything other than blacksmithing being similar to artifact fusion and available much earlier. Otherwise, pets are weaker. PP is less accessible and everything costs more. Pets need mats to make shit instead of pulling it out of their asses. Identifying costs more. Can't heal by simply paying an NPC for it. Doesn't seem to really have any blatantly broken skills like the gardening screen wide nuke that can 1 shot most of act 1 and be spam cast to trivialize act 2. Since not losing damage when lowering weight was an E+ thing, that's also not as good. And you lose speed for weight.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350408
Hit/Evade was tweaked so you don't need high combat skills to do things. You need more PP, yes, but you need less skills early on if you have a good skill on generation. Pet AI is still much better than Vanilla since it can be tweaked.

[Anonymous No.]

Potential only goes up by 10% for 2 PP in Omake. Jesus.

>>19350435
? we comparing this to Elona, or E+? Because them being better than Elona is kind of a given. That's the point.
And I'm not sure what skills you think are needed if it is E+, since I play E+ with no pets and never use magic, ranged, anything other than tactcis/2 hand or duelwield/farming for like most of the game and never have any issues with anythiing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350463
Remember + recently rebalanced potentials and plat costs. They give a much bigger buff, but they degrade in 1-3 level ups. People complained so much back then...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350408
It's easier if you know to abuse some things like specific farming cycles, messing with factions and Gods early for specific actions, finnicking around with some of the autores actions and special Nefias. You can get through the game fine without touching any of this I suppose, it'll just play more as old Elona (or somewhere along E+ 1.2)

There's no real way to compare it to E+ properly because OO's design philosophy focuses around something entirely different from E+. A lot of the choices in OO were made to "give other things a chance", whereas E+ was designed with more of an "experimental function testbed" in mind which later became "let's expand the story and sprinkle stuff in as it goes".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350486
Yea I'm noticing my gardening went up a level and only lost like 10% so its fine. Its just jarring after playing + for so long. What worries me is the changelog mentions higher level skills gain less from investment (presumably on top of price going up?) which could just make the game turn way too grindy eventually.
Although the reasoning given for this is to help long-lasting members keep up so maybe it means the opposite, you get more for investing in higher level skills? Otherwise it makes no sense.
Don't understand how the various+ potential feats work either. Do they mean you feat can't go below the number listed? 'Cause if you like me and only use a few skills to begin with, they could pretty muich remove any need to use PP at all. Which'd be pretty fun. I've never actually liked PP.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350518
I *believe* it's a fixed potential increase regardless of what your current value is, so even if it's at 0 you still get the potential added from the feat, whether that's 40 or 120.

I'd have to dig out Omake and replay it again to really confirm this stuff though, Omake had very little force testing done to it since everyone was focused on E+ for a while.

The grindiness doesn't really go far past the base game/early E+, as expected. If the infinite living weapon thing is still in as it was before...well that's sort of a "fun" grind. I liked having my SCREAMING living weapon.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any reliable and practical way to acquire equipped ammo from a hostile NPC in E+? I don't need to cheese ranged fights, I just want to be able to get the items without savescumming.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350552
Yeah, I think a lot of the caps were introduced in + and a few were removed with Omake, and Overhaul. There should be quite a few things we stopped using like performer and dungeon loot runs that are viable again. Performer used to give more than just money and equipment right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350597
Just knock 'em out and then pickpocket them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350597
Acquire equipped ammo? You can generally just buy bullets, arrows, or find them in dungeons. Most NPCs don't carry Artifact ammo, and no there's no way to guarantee a drop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350597
cant u just throw a duel glove at them then stab them in the dick until they die

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350642
Unless you pickpocket them it's not guaranteed that they'll drop the artifact.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350606

Tried that. But as of 1.51, you can't Pickpocket equipped ammo in E+, even if the target is asleep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350690
Then you're out of luck. Either savescum, or just finish 'em and pray. I don't think there is anything you can do to make them unequip that item.

Unless you have an astral light pen, and are willing to grind them up to soul mate status to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350716
Domination should work now that I think about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350716
>>19350717

Yeah, it looks like dominating or capturing them via ball is the only solution. Oh well.

[Anonymous No.]

Were any anvils/furnaces added to existing maps/new maps added with them? I wanna steal them. Shops only want to sell hammers. I got all the blacksmith traits and wanna toy around with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350767
You might try Miral and Garok's workshop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350781
Good idea. Those work. And there are only two NPC's to deal with to get the stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck stamina

[Anonymous No.]

>>19351067
Who is Stamina and what has he/she/it done to you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19350677
Don't they drop all artifacts if you kill them in a duel? Never really bothered to check, I just chuck one at Moyer in every playthrough because fuck grinding for his card and figurine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19351124
It's an annoyingly small number tied to an even more annoying game mechanic.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this an option even though she isn't drunk? Is it an OO change?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19351139
A short person, yeah they got short tempers, probably due to being closer to hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19351067
Probably the worst mechanic in the game and I don't think any variant has ever actually managed to make it not suck. Even if you worship Kumiromi in + and cast regen it still takes way too fucking long to return. Passing turn via shift 5 actually restores less in the same in-game turns than holding 5 for some reason too. Takes fucking years to increase and becomes super unreliable when too low, too. Just awful in every single way.

>>19351184
" You can have a little tail t'nigh with pets that you have over 100 impress with (friend+). No money will be exchanged in this case. "
Its from the normal Omake.

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>>19351233
>and becomes super unreliable when too low
Honestly the most confounding part. Why make it so it effectively runs out 50 points early?

[Anonymous No.]

Omake crashes a fucking lot. Like damn. Every time I interact with shop keepers, its like 50% gonna crash.

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>>19351327
They've already released the fix.

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>>19351369
If you mean the day 1 patch, I've been using that from the start. Still crashes when talking to people pretty often, particularly shop keepers, which crash a lot.

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>>19351380
It's a second patch. Basically they forgot to have a default English text for the untranslated bits. It's crashing because it wants to show a Japanese character. You can either edit in the default text manually, it's like 1 line, use Japanese local, or get the patch from the discord.

[Anonymous No.]

I get this whenever I make a new character.
What kind of error is it?

I can close it and the game still works so I've been ignoring it.
I'm using the latest version of Elona+ Custom.

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>>19351389
Options, disable all networking.

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>>19351388
>You can either edit in the default text manually
How would I go about doing this? I don't have discord and I don't really want to set my PC to jap for a mod of Elona or download discord to use it once to get a link to the patch

>>19351389
Disable networking.

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>>19351395
From the discord:


Adding these lines in the beginning of "data/oo_talk.txt" may fix the problem temporarily, I think.

%O_DEFAULT,EN
Omake overhaul is one of the omake children.
%END

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>>19351403
I'll try it thanks

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>>19342416
Has ano finally gone insane? Is he just sticking his shitty fetish into the game now?

[Anonymous No.]

Is Little Girl always the best choice for first pet? How badly would I be crippling myself if I chose anything else?

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>>19351944
Eh, you can buy another in derphy for a couple grand. At there level all their stats are low, so equipment/skills are king. Little girl has the best of those, being a person.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there really a piss mechanic now? I haven't played since 1.5

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>>19351944
Yes. Not much. On my most recent character I immediately told my pet to fuck off because I didn't feel like using pets. Still completely fine. Girls benefit over other crap is slots, but you can easily buy other dudes with the same slots and in the super early game (the part people most want pets to body stuff for them) any pet will be better than you.
This is assuming you talking elona+. I dunno about Omake. Still to new to it to comment and I'll prolly just not use pets much in it anyways.

>>19351988
Yes. I don't really get what the big deal is. Its a game where one of the first quests you can do is nuke a town, where a guy killed the gods via throwing shit at them, where you can steal a tree from the forest, ride a little girl and are actively rewarded for killing random people so you can put them in a musuem.

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>>19352001
>I don't really get what the big deal is
I on't have a piss fetish though.
I like scat instead, when is that getting added?

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>>19352015
If you ask the guy I wouldn't be surprised if he'd be open to adding it. He doesn't seem to take the game particularly seriously as far as things like this goes. Which is good, as no one should

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>>19352015
We do have shits.
You can throw them to damage enemies.

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>>19352001
I actually agree with this. Between nuking towns, throwing massive shits, drinking vomit, going insane after whoring yourself, dropping pets into wells, little girl slaves, and forced sleep sharing (rape), it seems morel ike a "we hate ano now :)" thing to suddenly pick out the single feature where getting hit while overhydrated makes a puddle.
I dont agree with everything added, like the anti grind thing is retarded, the game already has hunger, potential, and now thirst to avoid the entire "afk hold down a key" thing. And I think a lot of the features added nowadays are more low hanging fruit, I'd like to see big things like omake's custom spells, smithing and towns. But the problem is that i don't think Ano wants to do the overhauls these things would need. Like, smithing would be okay, and is handled mainly by pot of fusion already, but custom spells is fucking huge in a game like elona, especially with how spells are handled in plus (read: lots of if statements. for almost every spell.)
i'd love for omake overhaul to become the standard, but I'm afraid at this point on giving up my save file and qol plus features (herb in, ap, breakfest, pot of fusion).

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>>19352216
I wouldn't give a shit had he not also mandated that everyone has to deal with thirst now.

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>>19352225
Just remove the thirst mechanic yourself :^)

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>>19352216
Speaking of the custom towns in Omake, can I 'return' to them? That'd be nice for visiting the mage guild or the snowy areas

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Also, why is Omake Overhaul the thing translaters chose to translate, rather than the two mods its changelog mention forked off of it? OOR and SE (can't even figure out what SE stands for lol)

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>>19352304
It's because development for OO itself is finished. I don't think OOM is finished, and OOR/SE are so difficult to find even on variant host sites that getting a proper log to parse through can be pretty ridiculous. Granted, OO isn't the only variant of Omake, there are actually a fair number of them, but OO is definitively "complete".

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>>19352329
That makes sense. Smart translators.

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>>19352216
>i'd love for omake overhaul to become the standard, but I'm afraid at this point on giving up my save file and qol plus features (herb in, ap, breakfest, pot of fusion).

If elonas code wasn't so huge and confusing I would probably just merge the good parts of omake and e+ myself. That's usually what I do with mods for other games.

Maybe I'll take a whack at it eventually.

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>>19352338
The highest feat humanity will ever achieve will be a monsterous Elona fork made of all the best parts of every version of Elona.

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>>19352338
I've looked around, some smaller features are probably doable, but quite a few would take serious reworks of elona+'s code I think. For example, in E+ and regular elona, everything has a hardcoded id attatched to it. Even custom NPCs all use the same base creature id, with their stats at spawn just modified. In comparison, OO introduces things like custom items, custom spells, fully working custom npcs, etc. Even if you didnt want to port externalized parts, just dealing with how OO handles the ids for those'd probably be a pain, especially since it's not only all in one file, but primarily relies on labels and gotos with global variables.

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>>19352358

Yeah, It's all a huge mess. I was the guy that tried to port the E+ translation to the latest version last year when Anna was absent, so I know first hand how much of a pain all those labels and gotos are.

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>>19352441
Oh, that's pretty cool! Yeah, with modifications I make to E+ I find it easier to merge the new changes into the old file now. The custom source file is a BLESSING thanks to the fact that labels and arguments for them are named too. So instead of the usual decompiler crap with label_XXXX with blah@vdn args, it's somewhat legible. I'm looking at the smith hammer right now and i think porting smithing might be doable if i put the effect on an existing item. Havent gotten to using custom spells/towns yet tho, but i can imgine they'd be much less plug n play

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>>19352462
Yeah, some of the smaller things like that should definitely be doable.

If I wasn't working on another project right now I would probably try messing with it tonight.

[Anonymous No.]

does the ''you are cute'' little girl feat do anything? you get it if you ick the race

[Anonymous No.]

''Possible to gain traits of monsters when their heart is eaten ''
Neat. Wonder what it means by trait. Special actions, resistances, flags?

[Anonymous No.]

is pissing really going to be a thing now?

is it useful?

[Anonymous No.]

new thread when

[Anonymous No.]

Is Pets useful in Omake? and what's the difference between overhaul and regular omake?

[Anonymous No.]

Went back to Elona+ because OO's early game is too harsh for me and got another wish. Seven league boots are still the best option, right?

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>>19352844
You could wish for miromi and get an extra feat.

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>>19352844
If you don't have any.
I'd rate the Itzpalt sculpture up there now just due to convenience. I really enjoy not having to use my pets to curse check every bit of random food I find.

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>>19352803
OO pushes some of the features that base Omake has further, like new nefia types, I believe extensions to the Growth weapons, and some further changes with the God Worship, but you'd have to compare notes to know in detail.

Pets aren't anywhere near as OP and generally require substantially more investment to become useful in both Omake and Overhaul, and arguably it takes anywhere from twice to five times as long to keep pets up to speed due to the speed differences.

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>>19352859
O-oops...

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Why is the weight limit so strict?

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>>19352216
Because if part of Elona is supposed to be roleplaying, I don't want my character pissing themselves all the time. At the very least let us go to the bathroom in a toilet or something instead.

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[Anonymous No.]

DO NOT LOOK AT ME AS I BECOME MEAT BLOOD AND URINE

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>>19352906
You have to type in "secret experience" or "expensive gift" now.

[Anonymous No.]

How bizarre must the setting's population actually look if the Etherwind is such a frequent occurrence and potions of cure corruption are so rare and expensive?

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>>19353638
The PC (and Pael’s mom) have far nastier cases than usual.
In the PC’s case I think it’s due to getting Ether nuked on the boat ride in the opening.

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>>19353108
>this

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>>19343293
Probably, can't find it though since ano himself is the voldemort of the elona community

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>>19352896
Does that means not all pets are viable?

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>>19353638
They ain't really all that rare or expensive. People will pay you a few grand for literal shit so considering that a corruption potion ain't that far above shit. This is a world where like 50% of the population owns a pretty decent sized farm private though so maybe everyone just rich.
They also appear in shops fairly often, the gabling people have an infinit supply and I think you can even mass produce them

[Anonymous No.]

Now I never have to worry about rogue bosses ever again.

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>>19353987
Has anyone done a playthrough as an android Seibah lookalike spamming Violent EverGarden all day.

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>>19353987
Probably the best AP using combat ability in the game. Levels off something you gonna be doing anyways that has no risk, does a ton of damage, seems incapable of missing, poisons enemies, doesn't cost much AP. Fallls off in act 2 pretty hard but still worth using

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Playing OO makes me appreciate + a lot more.
Can't raise pet potential in shops via training option.
Can't join thieves guild until over 1K fame which at 16 fame per mssion is much slower than reaching level 10.
Can't end farming missions early and still win if you got enough crap.
Don't think E+ ever went ''lets add a new system but make it require no less than 3 different tools'' either, which is how blacksmithing works in OO and is made more annoying by the fact the only place with said tools guaranteed is in the snowy area and stealing isn't possible as early.
Don't seem able to check spell potential either.
On top of all the other stuff people have mentioned.

Definitely feels much more 'dated' and I'm not sure the upsides are gonna be worth it. Everything is just more tedious.

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>>19354618
If you get to the early mid game (effectively after you complete the second cycle grind with Gods and equipment) it starts to event out. It'll feel tedious largely because E+ is about 3 times as fast to farm even when you aren't playing at its "max speed", which is about another 3 times faster (reset grinding E+ is basically the easiest form of Elona you're going to get)

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>>19354756
When is the early-mid game in this? Like, in Elona+, that's act 2 and AP stuff. But this only has the one act (which is fine by me, I dislike act 2 and 3's maps, not comfy at all)

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>>19352862
Yeah, if you can't get to Lost Irva, it's definitely worth a wish. It's so great not having to give food the NetHack treatment. I don't think I could go back to playing without it.

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>>19354761
OO determines its progression entirely based on which grind cycle you're on. The first grind cycle is entirely gold based since everything else is dependent on fame, and generally speaking the easiest grind cycle to use as the first is the Puppy Cave farm.

From there the "2nd" cycle grind starts with choosing a God and working on the Hammer to begin with gear. Normally speaking you don't start with fame stuff until afterwards because similar to Elona and early E+, pushing fame up quickly early on is actually detrimental and you end up choking yourself. It's this 2nd cycle that represents the "steep uphill" portion of the grind and generally where things fall off completely (ignoring the pet potential part), because you effectively *must* do certain things like cycle through a couple Gods to properly get God blessed food, begin to collect equipment, so on and so forth.

Normally speaking trying to touch the custom systems doesn't happen until after that, and that's effectively the "early mid game", because ideally speaking you're well on your way through the 2nd cycle by then which would make the fame climb just a "side" matter while you're slowly building your way through a full equip set. OO being as it is, if you don't approach it with the same mindset as Elona (where grinding is similarly done through cycles, but Elona has far less cycles because it has fewer systems), you're going to find it tedious either way.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you reliably work on the gear via ammering if you want to keep fame low and can't reliably get the other tools needed without joining the thieves guild, which requires high fame? Other than starting as the single class that starts out able to steal. Also which gods am I supposed to be using that are so important?

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So feats are actually one of the easiest things to port it seems, Managed to get OO's "Berserk" feat to show up in E+ as selectable, and from here it would be a case of mimicing the checks for it in the code (I assume). Adding it consisted of copying one block and changing a call to "gettrait(x, y)" to "trait(x)". So it looks like Omake might actualy support feats for NPCS? That's cool.

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>>19354822
Because most of the gear that you'll need is realistically found, and you don't actually bother with the artifact fusion system early on. iirc I just used the same map with an anvil to slowly grind its rank up so I don't remember needing to bother with the thieves guild.

What God you end up going for depends entirely on your build. For a "team" focused set up I generally found Kumiromi important for potential sustain (Kumiromi blessed food stacks are the only ones that tackle full potential iirc?), and later Jure for Kyrie Eleison, which as I remember it was basically one of the only wide shield buffs in the game.

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>>19354860
I'm just playing solo like I always do in Elona. I went with Opatos for the damage reduction and relevant weapon for my feats. But the way you post made it sound like some are absolutely more important than in Elona+ when the changelog really doesn't make that sound like its the case; they get a few new abilities, but most don't seem too good.
For blessed food the one that gives speed seemed like the obv best but is otherwise entirely irrelevant to my character

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>>19354885
I don't remember the number specifics, but from the changelogs, even the devs were basically stressing that Kumiromi's Harvest Festival was basically made to be intentionally broken as far as getting potential went. There are however number specifics as far as blacksmithing goes (https://wikiwiki.jp/elonaval/overhaul/TIPS#e9a717af - scroll down a bit for the experience tables on basic equipment crafting)

Speed doesn't matter as much in OO because honestly, the grind is what controls the pace more than anything, and without the AP/speed pot/hermes revamps, you're never going to push that up fast. Granted most enemies aren't all that fast either so it's effectively everything is slow.

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>>19354930
That's a bit of a shame if his ability intentionally outclasses every other god. Or if the mod is designed around having him for potential. Especially when the focus otherwise seems to be having each god be worthwhile. Trying any god to 'growth' in a game about growing is kind of dumb in general.

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>>19352216
>Between nuking towns, throwing massive shits, drinking vomit, going insane after whoring yourself, dropping pets into wells, little girl slaves, and forced sleep sharing (rape)

The difference is that you don't have to do those. They are an option, but they aren't forced onto the player, which makes them amusing. That means if someone wants to make some shit throwing character they can, but if I don't want to throw shit I never have to touch it. On the other hand, this pissing mechanic is forced onto every single character no matter what. I don't have a fetish for self humiliation or watersports so I don't want anything to do with it.

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>>19355210
And so is vomiting? Occasionally drinking shit will cause me to vomit, even if its a blessed potion of potential. Quit acting as if this is the ONLY thing forced onto you. NPCs have sex on the streets in derphy, you vomit randomly from drinking stuff, shit fills up your ranch no matter what you have on it. And if your answer is "i can just not goto derphy/not drink anything/not have a ranch", congrats, your missing out on huge game features to avoid stuff you dont want!

[Anonymous No.]

>Ignore those things
>Miss out on cool shit
>ignore pee pee wee wee fun time XD
>miss out on something that's actively unfun
I don't even dislike the pee, I dislike the thirst meter.

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>>19355296
Yeah, I wish thirst was something that you could disable in options or something since Elona has never been much of a survival game past your first time playing it really. And while thirst wont kill you, that constant sp drain is pants on head retarded. I'm sticking with 1.77 until something cool comes out, and then ill just merge whatever new stuff i want into my source. Already added a working berserk feat from OO, going to look at other simple ones to do

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>>19355198
Well you have to remember that we're framing this with a certain threshold of efficiency in mind, and to some extent comparing against modern E+. At a more basic level with efficiency tossed out of the equation, both OO and pre 1.5/6 E+ are largely viable "across the board", with "glaring advantage pathways" present. Though you're likely feeling that OO is "choked" in terms of progression, that's largely because your contextual experience puts it up against modern E+, as well as your knowledge on how to powergame E+, a lot of which doesn't apply to OO because E+'s cycles have become quite specific.

We also have to keep in mind that OO stopped development nearly 2-3 years ago, whereas E+ continued moving ahead with changes, so to some degree if we wanted to look at where things were across the board, we should comparing with an earlier version of E+ (time wise this is around 1.57/8 or so).

As some reference points, Potential Fixes in E+ didn't happen until 1.68, Sleep Potential was 1.68. Picnic Baskets was 1.67, Bronze Coins was 1.67, so on and so forth. Going back to playing 1.5 or earlier E+ you'll probably notice that the cycles are rather constrained too, it's just that E+ focused extensively on pushing the "story" through Act III (already halfway through Act III by 1.57) whereas OO pushed for their custom mechanics.

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>>19355221
>Comparing vomiting to a blatant fetish
>Thinking anyone has an issue with random npcs having sex with each other
>Thinking discarding manure from a ranch isn't normal

I don't know what the hell kind of logic you have, but I'm not complaining about piss being "Lol so wacky random" or something. I'm complaining about it being a blatantly fetishized and forced onto my character.

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>>19355221
>He has a problem with watersports
>That must mean he has a problem with realistic mechanics and sex in general!
Anon don't go full retard.

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>>19355335
Well realistically it's not so much the notion of thirst that's the issue, but rather the problem behind the timing of its implementation and the style that ano tends to do these rollouts. The notion of thirst limitations in a RPG/roguelike isn't all that strange, people can generally accept that like hunger, thirst is also an issue, and if ano had implemented thirst early on with a relative consistent system for drawing water then realistically most people would have just accepted it as is. Even if it was just a matter of wells refilling on a more frequent basis and empty bottles being "easier" to obtain (like drinking potions would create empty bottles), people could probably tolerate the cycle and wouldn't have an issue with the potential side effects of wells (Just taken as "It's an Elona thing")

But now we're well into the "late" end cycle of development and in a system that's already fairly well defined as far as restrictions go - thirst in its current iteration just doesn't really add anything other than an afterthought at best. It doesn't help that the vocal community (on here) generally is well into the grind cycle already, so either thirst becomes pointless or it's an annoyance.

Ano's tendency to introduce a broken system -> fix it/make it OP -> break it -> rinse and repeat tends to grind on people, especially folks who follow every release instead of waiting for major version changes (like 1.5 -> 1.6 -> 1.7). In all likelihood if there is a 1.7.9 there'll be "checks" to the thirst system implemented.

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>>19355369
>>19355384
>anon has problem with one controvertial feature that puts a disgusting real life bodily fluid into the game in such a way that you'll only ever see it if you explicitly fill someone up and then damage them
>point out that a similar function already exists in the form of another bodily fluid that ends up happening more often
>"b-b-but this one's a fetish i know of!"
stay retarded

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>>19355525
>Literally anything is a fetish so anything is excusable

[Anonymous No.]

Can I drink my pee?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19355525
Your arguments are faulty, the fetish you're here to champion is disgusting and unhealthy, and you are a worthless, pathetic subhuman. Do yourself a favor and end your miserable life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19355525
Ano wrote that fans were asking him for watersports stuff, it was in the 1.77 notes.

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>>19355580
Why are you so mean?

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>>19355525
Drinking poison or cursed liquids and vomiting from that is perfectly understandable. Yes, some people have a fetish for it, but most people don't have a problem with vomiting because most people have experiences vomiting themselves. It also makes sense with a hunger mechanic because vomiting from drinking cursed liquids and starving to death makes cursed liquids dangerous.
Pissing yourself on the other hand, is clearly fetish garbage. You even get a skill to pee on others contaminating your skill list forever. Most people do not piss themselves as adults and it's clearly a mechanic that didn't need to be in the game because it adds nothing.

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>>19355588
Probably because you’re a filthy pissmonger.

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>>19355550
>>19355580
>make arguments as to why pissing isnt suddenly some big turn for the game towards fetish content and doesnt need a bunch of manbaby reactions
>no argument in response, only that it's a fetish they know of and is therefore inexcusable even though drinking and throwing vomit/shits have been in forever
how did you guys manage to pass any elementary argument class lmfao,
>>19355599
>pissing adds absolutely nothing to gameplay and even has a skill with a nondescript name CONTAMINATING my list!
>vomiting could have been implemented without any actual resulting item and body blow specifically causes enemies to vomit
do you even play the game anon, or are you just looking to get upset?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19355586
Based Ano, he does it for us

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>>19355599
>You even get a skill to pee on others contaminating your skill list forever
You can hide unnecessary skills with *.

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>>19355612
Anon with each post you make I'm starting to get the idea that you're just into pissing.

[Anonymous No.]

I think the peeing is funny lol. The thirst can fuck off, but peeing is a giggle
You can literally walk right up to a random dude, throw shit at him, pee on him and kill him in self-defense when he gets mad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19355628
I just want to pee on my pets.

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>>19355621

[Anonymous No.]

how do I collect items that appear during the end of my preformance that coincides with the end of the Party Time! quests?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19355676
In elona+? It should be a setting added by custom under the tweaks/gameplay menu. You do have custom right?

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>>19355676
You can't. If you don't pick them up before the end of the quest it's lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19355706
Yeah, I have custom. Thanks.

>>19355707
Fuck you for giving wrong information off the bat.

[Anonymous No.]

Berserk feat should be fully integrated in plus now. tier 2 and above adds the fury on detection bit too, and tier 3 adds the separate calculation of damage.