Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1949

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/
previous thread >>19225951

[Anonymous No.]

I'm disappointed the thread isn't named "epic fail in nihongo highlights"

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246406
im actually not it doesnt roll off the tongue at all

[Anonymous No.]

special message to all flashcard users

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CIbBugfqeQ#t=60

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246415
what are you not understanding?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246415
The definition is bad in this case, use the sense from the example sentence translation instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>phone anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246415
all of it is fine just free your mind from the chains of eigo

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aGOpjqAW3M

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246415
a solid argument for the radical freedom approach

[Anonymous No.]

Its convenient

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246440
>not doing your reps on your daily 45 min work commute
出来ない

[Anonymous No.]

so are you saying you cant not do your "reps" on your commute

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246504
>not quitting your job to get in more 日本語

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246500
I'll be fluent if I watch this 1000x

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck happened to https://mokuroku.neocities.org/ bros?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246523
まあ当たり前と言えば当たり前だわね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246535
Taken down by real ninjas.

[Anonymous No.]

>Having a mobile phone
>Having a job
>>>/int/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246535
>>19246552
I guess it's a sign that we should read LN's instead of watching manga. (I know the mega links are still in the library, but that's no fun to browse)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246415
What app is this? It looks better then supercard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246618
Looks like anki in night mode.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246535
>>19246552
Taken down by the person who made the page or the website? Because CoR is on the same site.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246535
Check the /int/ archive, someone posted some new program/file that connects to it or something like that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246638
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a chrome extension like yomichan, but for jp > jp translations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246655
Got it senpai. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

how much hours/time until i become fluent on hiragana? i started last werk and i know most of the characters

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246690
多分
Hint: it is yomichan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246700
if you know a few of the characters maybe you can help me with the issue im having in the image

basically i know about 35000 words according to some really well made online test so i was thinking of installing anki to just do some flashcards to really nail down a few hundred or so really rare words that ill never see in anything ever but i keep getting these cascading error messages

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246700
depends what you're actually doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246504
>being able to finish your reps in 45 min
Bad news dude...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246690
You have to find a EPWING dictionary mega pack from somewhere (I don't remember where I found it) and then you can import it into Yomichan.

[Anonymous No.]

Watch Terrace House or die

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246755
>spending more than 45 minutes pretending to learn japanese instead of actually learning japanese
adorable

[Anonymous No.]

i watched terrace house and died because of how bad it was my moms typing this post for me btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246966
not watching it and living for epic win

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246638
It's not in night mode. That's just the card background.

[Anonymous No.]

I can't do anki anymore. I'm at my limit. My percent keeps dropping. How do I start reading? What do I start reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246535
FUCK I DIDN'T DOWNLOAD MY SHIT FIRST FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

[Anonymous No.]

美味しい女の子のうんこを食べないと出来るになれない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247036
キモワルッ
>>19247028
Just read books. The library is still around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247023
What addon is that for the extra stats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247053
266436365

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247023
your stats don't look awful, but you're right that you should be reading.
easy shit that interests you enough that you can push through it even when you suck. use a dictionary for every word you're unsure on, and a grammar dictionary when you have no idea what a particle or conjugation is doing, but don't obsess over every detail. you will have to give up on some lines and that's okay. even the lines you think you get you will often be missing something or wrong and that's okay. your understanding will improve as you start to have expectations for what might be said and, consciously or subconsciously, notice when and how those expectations are broken.
there are wrong things to start reading, but there is no right thing to start reading. yotsuba is the default suggestion, it's okay once you get used to the dialect, but that part can be a bit hard. anything is fine as long as you can work out some of the sentences and your understanding is good enough that you want to keep pushing forward. when you start to feel like you have a pretty good understanding of the majority of lines, it might be time to push yourself with something harder.

[Anonymous No.]

How is your listening practice going? Mine is going pretty well. I'm going to hit my goal of 60 episodes well before the end of the month.

If you have already seen Idolmaster and liked it, I recommend it for listening practice. There is a lot of easy to understand conversations, and even if you can't understand much, it is pretty easy to follow the plot. It was a lot different than I remember. I thought some character arcs lasted 5 episodes, but they were actually only 1-2.

I'm about to watch the movie, which I'm going to count as 5 episodes because it is 2 hours long. I have no idea what I'm going to watch after that. Everything I want to rewatch, like Eureka 7, Macross, or Full Metal Panic, seem too hard. I guess I can try Cinderella Girls, but I only watched the first season and didn't like it much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247160
>How is your listening practice going?
I've been listening to podcasts every morning and evening but hkbk is going to end in a couple episodes and I don't know what to do. I might rip the audio from ReLIFE or download some drama cds. I wish hkbk wasn't ending though -- how am I going to know what's popular in Japan?
I feel you on the sci-fi shows though. It's though to catch technical words when you aren't used to hearing them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247148
>yotsuba is the default suggestion
That's true, but there is a problem with it being suggested to people who want to read. If he wanted to start reading he wouldn't use yotsuba because you don't read yotsuba. Yotsuba is a manga and manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247187
>hkbk
I think it is funny that I never heard about this until recently, and that is only because it is ending. I don't really like podcasts, but I'll have to listen to a few sometime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247160
This is what I've completed. Listening is still a pain. It's time to watch more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247236
Thanks for sharing your list. I see a few things on there I might watch like Clannad, Kimi no Na ha, and K-ON. I can't imagine watching Shokugeki no Souma raw. There are so many words I don't even understand in English.

I don't think I have the determination to get good at listening. I will last a few months at most unless I start seeing some improvement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246436

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSyd8tXJoEJKIXfrwkPdbA/videos

best way to learn japanese is watch this girl for hours
you might need to get to intermediate level to understand some of her stuff

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSyd8tXJoEJKIXfrwkPdbA/videos

best way to learn japanese is watch this girl for hours
you might need to get to intermediate level to understand some of her stuff

i put her videos on repeat on my tv while i do dishes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247302
>open one of the videos
>90% english
dropped

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247302
get this normalfag shit outta here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247160
>>19247160
Hourly reminder that IGN Japan is outstanding listening practice for intermediate-level learners looking for genuine conversational Japanese and not news-tier shit or fucked up Anime shit.

>ゲームの神様に２０の質問 is 神様-tier for learning how to contemplate/deliberate/etc
>The regular game talk segments are enjoyable to listen to
>Vocabulary and grammar are mostly simple and will make you a pro at incomplete sentences left hanging on the て form, conditionals, filler words, non-news-tier conjunctions, かどうか'ing everything, and much more

IGN US version is not known for quality, but this is sort of a window into what is possible if you have good quality and reasonable people putting together a show.

>TFW this sort of job is literally within reach of any one of you who learns Japanese well enough to speak it in a live broadcast

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247426

Additional info:

>Words see LOTS of repetitive use and you'll get used to their usage very quickly after just a few hours
>due to the nature of being about games/technology, some crossover between english/japanese is unavoidable, but this is useful for nailing down loanwords while also getting some useful meanings nailed down
>NO SUBTITLES which means you will actually be WATCHING and LISTENING instead of getting hung up on Kanji

[Anonymous No.]

Finished reading flying witch, up to date anyway. What manga should I read next..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247459
Manga is not reading though..
If you mean watch then New Game!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247392

she has to speak in english to explain

[Anonymous No.]

don't trust her lies!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247560
that is false
she chooses to explain in english because she doesn't know how people acquire language
repeatedly switching between two languages is counterproductive

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

じめじめする

れいぼうがほしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247597


it's for beginnersand intermediate. what you're talking about only applies to people who can comprehend japanese when they hear it. if you can't comprehend you will not learn japanese. it will go through one ear and out the other

[Anonymous No.]

learning a language via omosis only works if you're a baby. It doesn't work when you're an adult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247667

osmosis*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247649
what i am talking about applies to all people
hearing a bunch of lines in japanese followed by a translation is not productive, especially at "intermediate"
you can comprehend japanese with minimal explanation if it is appropriate for your level, even if your level is complete beginner

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>>19247667
this is false, babies don't learn through osmosis, they learn through comprehensible input, same as adults
it seems like osmosis because a lot of the input is not comprehensible but when they get thousands of hours of it they get enough comprehensible input along the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247556
Ok I'll read new game

[Anonymous No.]

けさのじしん

なんにんかなくなったって
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDviQMEKgVk

ききとれる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247714
watch

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247727
大変

[Anonymous No.]

i think i'll read new game too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247749
Nah I don't do it in that order
Manga first then anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247760
we agree then cool

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247749
What are you talking about? Anime is reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247758
あたしがおもったのは

おなじないようでも

おんなのほうがききやすいよね？

[Anon who was discussing Heisig(...) No.]

So I should just drop Heisig and start Kodansha instead?
Either way, I need a way to remember the runes or I'll start forgetting them.
I'm already doing vocab. of course.

[Anonymous No.]

TFW you do your reps as soon as you wake up so you're free to play video games and read and listen for the rest of the day

Reviewing words added last evening was the best choice I ever made

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247876
Kodansha won't make you suck less. Switching will just waste all the effort you have been doing with RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

あのんにしつもんがあります

たたり

あるとおもう？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247876
It's funny that you mention that because I dropped KKLC and started RTK a couple months ago, while already doing vocab and reading.
I'm now dropping RTK so I waste less time not reading. Keeping up my reps but done adding cards for kanji that aren't used in any words I know. I don't think it was a complete waste of time but I do think it was questionable.
Consider the option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247970
縁起でもないこというな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247882
Its pretty much the best schedule. If you drink coffee I would also suggest switching to decafe the rest of the day, and only drink leaded in the morning. It hits you harder

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248006
>leaded
Is this a translation error?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248010
Leaded and unleaded coffee, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248018
>Leaded
Is this a translation error?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248024
Imagine being this retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248033
>retarded
Is this a translation error?

[Anonymous No.]

FUck I've added 94 kanji in 8 days (1640->1743) and I'm so fucking FRUSTRATED I wish it was over already and then you see the guys who have been studying for 5 years post their grids with like 4500 kanji, does it EVER end?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248037
Rule 10, you dumb cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248038
keeping count is the biggest mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248040
I'm not following.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248041
So should I just uninstall Kanji Grid? I mean as much as I hate it I've been following it from 650 or so and it feels pretty good seeing it grow, I can only hope to be like pic related one day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248003
それ

えいごでなんていうの

たたりはcurseでいいとおもう

えんぎ・・・have a good ruck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248041
Keepint count is the mistake unless you're an autist, but if you aren't why are you learning Japanese to read porn in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

らっくのつづり

Luckだった

はずかしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248062
wtf how many words have you done? Or do you have a deck specifically for kanji?

pic related is mine after 11k words

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248181
That's not me I saved that from here in December, he had 27k words or something

[Anonymous No.]

> 気分次第です僕は 敵を選んで戦う少年
> 叶えたい未来も無くて 夢に描かれるのを待ってた

> 気分次第です僕は
That "です" is not a polite copula, is it?

[Anonymous No.]

What's /jp/'s timeline in terms of learning Japanese?:

>When did you start?
>What level are you at now?
>How far do you think you'll be by the end of this year?

[Anonymous No.]

I have difficulty in memorizing some daily greeting. E.g. a ri ga to u vs a ni ka do u
I always mess up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248360
dostedt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248319
気分次第デス

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248319
insert a period or comma after it mentally

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248390
But that would make it the only polite sentence in the entire song, that doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248400
You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248400
it's fine you're clearly still learning the fundamentals just give it a mental bookmark and move on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248408
Well, no shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
8 months ago but I ankidroned poorly until 3 months ago.
Shit, I can consume easy manga slowly and understand the simplest lines in anime.
Slightly less shit, maybe I'll be able to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248414
If after 3 months I'm still "clearly learning the fundamentals", non-European are probably not for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248430
non-European languages*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248430
feel don't think
you're doing fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248430
it's like that for like half a year to a year for Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248430
Over 2000 hours of study for fluency, it's normal.

[Anonymous No.]

だから、気にしないで、マスターベーションしてください、お兄ちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

Can I get some insight on what Tanya is saying here? Not sure what 存在意義を賭す is supposed to mean.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248537
https://my.mixtape.moe/rkjiqc.webm
Forgot the link.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
>When did you start?
2012
>What level are you at now?
Still on 2k
>How far do you think you'll be by the end of this year?
Still on 2k

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248575
You could've almost finished it at 1 new card / day by now, are you even trying?

[Anonymous No.]

たたり

えいごではmiracleっていうみたい

ほんとう？つうじる？

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, i've been reviewing both core2k/6k and the anki deck for Kodansha Kanji Learning Course for the past 2 months.

My question is, is this redundant? I kinda like both decks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248653
what about it would be redundant
redundant implies they serve the same purpose
they are both shit in very different ways

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248598
>are you even trying
not really. I didn't do any reps last month. It's real bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248673
It appears to me that you don't really want to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248690
I really don't. I want to know it but I don't want to learn it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248660
well the kodansha kanji learning course teach kanji meaning, reading and vocabulary examples so sometimes it overlaps with core deck. or i misunderstood here?
>they are both shit in very different ways
enlighten me please

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248697
Japanese is a language, you will never "know" it. The process of studying will last your entire life, the only thing that changes is how often you encounter something new.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248699
don't learn the readings lmao what are doing my friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248699
> kanji reading
You're wasting time. Maybe if you were studying Chinese, that would work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248319
It is. At the first sentence, the viewpoint is located outside of him, which sounds as if he really is confessing his feelings to people. After that, the viewpoint moves into him.

[Anonymous No.]

ひやしちゅうか

たべたい

cold chinese noodle

では

ないみたい

なんていえばつうじますか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248754
辞書引け

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247036
>美味しい
>>19248347
>>When did you start?
I started to take the language seriously in early 2018
>>What level are you at now?
~500 words in core. I have to look up like 80% of the words I encounter but surprisingly the grammar is not a problem
>>How far do you think you'll be by the end of this year?
At least 1500 words in core with hundreds of hour spent reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248766
>美味しい
Didn't mean to (You) that faggot, I just wanted to look it up. Sucks to be a phoneposter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248718
>>19248729
So stick with core 2k/6k then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
>When did you start?
April 2018
> What level are you at now?
Shitty, I didn't put enough effort.
Core2k 422 mature, Tyrone Kim, some IMABI for more detail.
> How far do you think you'll be by the end of this year?
Done with Core6k, reading "Intermediate" LNs and VNs. I'm going to ganbaru hard once the exams at uni are over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248785
Stick with whatever you want, but learn kanji as you learn new words instead of memorizing chink scribbles as if they were words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248537
>>19248540
Nobody?

I suppose we can talk about Core and RTK eternally.

[Anonymous No.]

Someone just told me that 1 hour of raw listening is not enough in the beginning and that I need 2 hours minimum, but preferably 3. Is he right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248826
You actually need to plant headphones in your ears and run a nip podcast 24/7.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248826
Your question is autism.
Assuming your reading is good enough at this point you should practice listening and it doesn't matter how much time you spend on it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248537
I don't know what troubles you. It seems like a literal translation will do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248845
He said that reading will be so easy you don't even bother with it for several months. Just start listening right away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248849
Can you do that then? It's two lines. It'd really help me out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248826
Listen as much as you want to.
Why do you retards always try so hard to make learning Japanese a chore?
Are you in a hurry or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248862
Antimoon listened to 2 hours of English daily and became fluent in 3 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248850
I think listening in Japanese is easier, since you don't have to deal with kanji and all that mess. You can also read at your own pace while you're somewhat restricted when listening. From my experience in learning English I'd say reading is better to start with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248869
Missed the point entirely.
I consume English-language media for much more than 2 hours a day, but that's because I want to. It's entertainment to me. I'm not doing it because "Antimoon" did it, whoever the fuck that is.

[Anonymous No.]

きょうのにほんご

>きらい
>せんぱいとしてそんけいできません

>すき
>せんぱいのことなんてぜんっぜんすきじゃないんだからね

[Anonymous No.]

ありがとうございます

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248714
Well obviously. I would've been happy with just like N3 or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248714
Why do people always say this faggy bullshit. Yea technically we don't "fully comprehend" any language ever but that doesn't mean we don't "know" them in any colloquial sense of the word.

[Anonymous No.]

ひやしちゅうかなんて

ぜんっぜんすきじゃないんだからね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247649

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249017
In a colloquial sense, "knowing" means being better at it than the person saying that. That's a very subjective characteristic of one's linguistic proficiency.
Most of my peers say that I "know English", but I wouldn't be able to score much on IELTS and my vocabulary is still around 11k. Do I "know" English?
If you're a native English speaker, you will most likely say "of course you don't".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
>When did you start?
late 2016
>What level are you at now?
Read dialogue comfortably, have to slow down on internal monologue, narration or oddball characters
>How far do you think you'll be by the end of this year?
Marginally better at everything, except for listening since I don't practice that enough.
Started to really scrutinize what words get added to anki, if they really deserve it, and hopefully I'll be somewhat through the last 2800 unseen.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19247749
I tried watching manga once, but the damn letters wouldn't read themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm missing the joke here and I think it's because of slang. She says her name is "manji", correct? I looked up Jisho and it says that in slang it means something like "wow; yeah; ugh; yuck; awesome; really; let's go"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
Early 2016.
I'm comfortable with the language but still frustrated with my reading speed and shallow vocabulary (not a big deal usually, but it's noticeable when I read literature or other more complicated stuff), and still need to work on my listening.
Better and faster, hopefully.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249130
Save that crop somewhere and come back to it years after you've lurked nip BBSs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
1969
頂上
肝が座ってる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249164
てっぺん

てっぺんなんて

いわないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249152
I have no clue what that is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248924
「殿」めったに聞かない単語ですね
堅苦しい？いもうとどの

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
September 2016
practically fluent according to reddit standards
good enough to hold a decent conversation and roleplay in nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249152
>Save that crop somewhere and come back to it years after you've lurked nip BBSs.
Autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249296
殿は

つかうよ

じゅよのときだけつかうんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249130
She hates jews and blacks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249329
マジ卍ですか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249130
His penis is shaped like a Swastika so she's 'avin a right proper giggle

[Anonymous No.]

卍ちゃんのおマンコぱこぱこしたいな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249370
That's a sauwastika thoguh

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249379
俺も一発やらせてね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249389
Gesundheit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249433
uuh you too

[Anonymous No.]

Watch Terrace House for good listening practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249453
or just any other non specific normie shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249468
got something against normies bitch?

[Anonymous No.]

not specifically bitch : )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJiuX_XDZFk

[Anonymous No.]

hey dudes I woke up fucking sick and early now I got 66% retention on the reviews this morning and I don't wanna read

[Anonymous No.]

I woke up an hour early and got 93% retention today. Feels good dudes.

[Anonymous No.]

i woke up and found djt learned nihongo

then i woke up again

[Anonymous No.]

I only had 4 hours of sleep and got 100% retention *dabs*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249512
That post feels eerily familiar.

[Anonymous No.]

ミンナげんき?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuVm6T__qlo

[Anonymous No.]

必死に元気

[Anonymous No.]

>>19249453
stop pushing your normalfag shit newfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250126
Shut the fuck up dumbass. Listen to Terrace House.

[Anonymous No.]

read terrace house

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250126
As it turns out, this so-called "normalfag shit" is excellent listening practice.

So what's next, are you gonna try to tell me to stop listening to the news because it's also "normalfag shit"?

I swear if you goons spent as much time studying as you do shitposting on here and dragging people down, you'd be fucking fluent by now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250408
What a terrible post.

[Anonymous No.]

How many new cards a day for an absolute beginner starting the core 2k/6k

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250462
No more than 30~ minutes worth. So 20-25 if you're slow, 30-35 if you're average.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250462

Depends on how good you are at memorizing thing. If you're decent, the 20 should be good. If you're godawful at memorization you may float closer to 10. Just whatever you choose don't be a pure Anki drone, you will fucking hate it. Definitely get a grammar book like Japanese the Manga Way or something so you aren't just learning vocabulary and no actual Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250408
wow did you figure out that listening to normal nihongo in normal situations from normal people is good for learning the language normally all on your own

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250408
>So what's next, are you gonna try to tell me to stop listening to the news because it's also "normalfag shit"?
I honestly don't understand why anyone would watch the news to practice another language. It is boring enough to watch in English.

I'm not against Terrace House though. I think people here equate it to "reality" shows in the west, but I've heard it is actually much more real.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250486
Guess I'll stick to 15 for the beginning and adjust accordingly over time. And I'll get that book, luckily its pretty cheap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250512
>I honestly don't understand why anyone would watch the news to practice another language

So you can't see why someone might want to learn how to talk about current events? It's ok, I'm sure the words 地震 and 台風 are 100% useless and never get used IRL. I'm sure nobody ever talks about 安倍総理大臣, アメリカのトランプ大統領, or 北朝鮮のキム労働党委員長 and clearly you don't need to know those titles. I'm also certain that nothing ever comes up in real life conversation about 世界経済, プロ野球, or people passing out from 熱中症 in the heat of 夏.

Look, the news isn't exciting, but if you're expecting to learn everything you need to know about a language from cartoons and manga then I have some terrible news for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250576
>but if you're expecting to learn everything you need to know about a language from cartoons and manga
You're making quite the large assumption there. What if he only wants to consume anime and manga? In that case all the language he needs to know is the language found in anime and manga.

[Anonymous No.]

You don't need to branch into other native material if you don't want to but different domains have a higher density of vocab which will help you with your preferred domain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250659
>You don't need to branch into other native material if you don't want to

This is some super shitty advice to give to anyone. If you want to understand the language, you have to receive input from a diverse range of sources and not just "stuff I like." Believe it or not, there will be things and stories that genuinely interest you on the news, scenarios that will have you on the edge of your seat in dramas and talk shows, and lots of interesting speech patterns/adjectives/etc in product/game/film reviews.

Anime and Manga often assume that you have some kind of experience with the real life usage of the language. I'm not saying you can't learn some Japanese from them, but you're seriously hurting yourself if you don't expand those limited horizons.

[Anonymous No.]

if they cant figure out that much for their self they deserve to get fucked tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250408
>you gonna try to tell me to stop listening to the news because it's also "normalfag shit"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250576
If it was something that comes up in daily conversation, then I would learn it from daily conversations. Watching hundreds of hours of boring shit just because it might come up in a conversation sometime is stupid. It sounds like a very Matt thing to do.

>It's ok, I'm sure the words 地震 and 台風 are 100% useless and never get used IRL.
You act like these words never get used in anime. I watched this 2 days ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250736

Let me guess, you thought all the things you learned in highschool and uni were pointless too?

[Anonymous No.]

compared to me yall are normies anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250744
A lot of it is. People forget 80%+ of what they learned in school. If it was important then they wouldn't have forgotten it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19250717
I agree. You just think it's more important to encourage people. Personally they can fuck themselves for all I care.

[Anonymous No.]

wait there be people learning nip and don't finna watch terrace house? why do ya'll willingly handicap yourself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
>When did you start?
1 week ago
>What level are you at now?
absolute beginner
>How far do you think you'll be by the end of this year?
I hope to understand some basic Japanese conversations, but I have no clue on what is realistic.

[Anonymous No.]

I changed ISPs recently and now I can finally load ErogameScape. So much nicer than having to use Google caches of the pages I wanted to see.

I like EGS because it gives much more accurate estimations of a VN's length than VNDB. For example on VNDB Flyable Heart is 10-30 hours, but on EGS you can see this table of how long it took different people to finish.

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>>19248347

>When did you start?
Years ago with Anki, but I was unfocused and busy with school so shelved learning for a bit. Started up again about 6 months ago and have stuck with it since then.

>What level are you at now?
Did Lingodeer for a few months which was useful for understanding sentence structure, but I've since replaced that with Anki and Japanese the Manga way about a month ago. I can usually get a very basic idea of what's happening on Japanese news television and have just started trying to read children's manga. With that it's mostly a vocabulary issue than grammatical one luckily.

>How far do you think you'll be by the end of this year?
Able to read manga and nhk easy articles. Able to follow Japanese television through actual listening and be less reliant on labels on the screen.

[Anonymous No.]

Is chuuni shit like しますです and するです actually grammatically correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251099
Anything a native says is correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251099
ですです爆笑

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
September 2016 (same as that other anon what the fuck)
下手
上手

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
1 year ago
Pretty bad
Same

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>>19248347
>When did you start?
May 2018
>What level are you at now?
1/3rd through RTK
>How far do you think you'll be by the end of this year?
Reading simple manga like Yotsuba without being completely clueless as to what's going on.

[Anonymous No.]

fuckin gambare minna

[Anonymous No.]

>replying to blogbait
I thought /djt/ was better than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>/djt/

[Anonymous No.]

moooooooooooooooooooooooooom

[Anonymous No.]

dance muppets

[Anonymous No.]

/djt/が死んだなんて...

[Anonymous No.]

No but for real, when I go read for a few hours you goons should definitely have more memes for me enjoy during my break.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the last eroge you read (not necessarily to completion)?
What is your reading speed like?
How many eroge have you read?
How many volumes of manga have you read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251393
Aokana
150 characters per minute
One
Like fifty

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251393
with you ~みつめていたい~
普通
69
420

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251393
Monobeno right now
About 145cpm
Hanahira and 1 route of grisaia
No idea, I only read eromanga

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251393
Onmyou Kishi Towako
what
4
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251393
河原崎家の一族
I don't keep track.
I don't keep track.
I don't keep track, but I'd estimate around 300 non-H and 200 H.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251393
Dies Irae
Over 9000 characters per minute
tree fiddy
Manga is not reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251393
もっと！孕ませ！炎のおっぱい異世界エロ魔法学園！
それなりに早いかな
１８０程度
５０程度

[Anonymous No.]

>when you actually feel yourself improving
出来ます

[Anonymous No.]

<using masu on fucking 4chan
-5 int

[Anonymous No.]

>thinks he's on cripplechan
Your int is in the negatives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251659
>can't even use meme arrows correctly
-50000000 IQ

[Anonymous No.]

ive never been on any other chan
it was a joke
just like your lives
-20 int for both of you

[Anonymous No.]

＞doing flash cards

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QKPi-FvPNM&t=30

[Anonymous No.]

>watching manga
>look up a word, realise its a mature word I should already know
>doing reps later the same day, word comes up
now what, do i fail it or not

[Anonymous No.]

dont worry about it cause watching isnt reading lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251878
why would you fail it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251895
because technically i did forget the word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251878
>watching manga
Nigga what

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251904
So what? You remembered it when you saw it in your deck because of natural exposure. You're the second retard to ask this in the past couple days and it completely puzzles me. How is this even a question in your mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251904
Anki's SRS algorithm was selected/tweaked specifically because it's resilient against outside interference. Grade based on your experience in Anki, not what you think about your knowledge.

[Anonymous No.]

but your anki score doesnt matter your understanding does

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248714
Faggot
The only languages you will know tehn are english or korean since they are made for retards

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251970
you sound very smart i bet youre brilliant and successful lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251878
don't overthink it, if you fail it and review it a few more times who cares, if you pass it and fail it in a few months who cares. reading is more important than anki and if you're getting additional exposure to words you forgot outside of anki you're doing fine
i would hit good

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>>19251970
I wouldn't say English is that easy for non-native speakers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251986
ESL here, everything except pronunciation is piss easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251004
Be proud when you can say 私

[Anonymous No.]

be proud when you can say てっぺん取った

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251986
It was really easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251995
>>19252017
Is English easy because the language is intrinsically more easy than most other languages, or because it has a lot of media that people enjoy consuming?

Technically Japanese might be more difficult to learn than Arabic but not really because Japan produces good media.

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>>19251986
ESL here, after consuming english media for over 10 years: It's really easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251986

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252024
Nah, English is just easy. And Japanese is definitely not harder than Arabic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252024
Because it is easier than any other language I know. There is little to conjugate and as little exceptations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252026
10 years is about how long it takes for things to become comfortable after all

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252032
>And Japanese is definitely not harder than Arabic.
Wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252061
So Japanese is literally the hardest language in the world for English speakers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252061
>by /u/Fummy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252061
huh what do you know 88 weeks is plenty of time to get those 10000 hours of anime in

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252072

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>>19252061
I don't know what to say. I guess anglos are retarded. Japanese has easy grammar, no cases, no genders, extremely simple pronunciation, and hundreds of English loanwords. I don't see what could magically make it more difficult than other languages.

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>>19252072
The info is from the foreign institute service. He just made a map of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252088
prolly the fact that you dont know it lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252091
Yeah, but you keep reading and some really inane shit pops up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252069
On paper yes but because of the diversity and wealth of media no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252093
That's hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252088
Just curious, what is your level of Japanese and your native language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252069
yea
>>19252088
grammar is acquired through massive input. you don't learn it by reading conjugation tables or something. hence when people say english is easy because "lol there's barely any conjugation" when in reality they just watched and read a lot of things in english because they were interested in the material, and that's why english was "easy" for them.

[Anonymous No.]

who here knows nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252117
My nip is まああ, my native language is on a very high level.

[Anonymous No.]

anyone who actually says "my nip is" is complete fuckin shit garbage

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252122
＊挙手＊

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252126
>>19252131
Stop pretending to be me, faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252140
お手を拝借

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252149
どういうつもり

[Anonymous No.]

どうだろうな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252131
Why tho

[Anonymous No.]

警察呼ぶぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252174
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CiZ_NVr0Xyw#t=308

[Anonymous No.]

我大和也

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252100
this is actually an excellent point, due to demand there is bountiful of resources to learn japanese from videos, to books to online tutors and what not. Now try to learn some obscure easy language like sawahli or someshit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252215
its a terrible point you might live in a land of plenty but youre still starving to death lmao

[Anonymous No.]

I can do this. Just gotta keep going. I'm gonna party so hard when I get done in August.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252238
Is this Win98?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm reading NHK easy but I'm not sure if I'm understanding. Should I keep on going or do I translate things after to see if I understood right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252238
are you applying yourself to anything else or just the flash cards lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252246
Windows 7 Ultimate. Made the boarders grey to conserve battery usage. It's also pleasing to look at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252120
Na mate engliah is just piss easy. Stop being offended because it is your native poop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252264
It's not. English is just closely related to your third world slavic language and you liked English content so it was easy for you to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252261
classic theme is the way to go dude dont let these millennials give you shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252238
get hyped for when you start learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252257
I study 25 a day by hand then review with anki at night. I plan to start sentence mining the moment I get done with this. I also got hours of tv shows/anime audio saved on my ipod to immerse in as well. Can't do all of them at once so i'm getting through RTK first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252120
This guy is right. Don't read any grammar books and don't try to look things up when you dont understand, because you just learn through massive input. So if you don't understand keep going, suddenly one day you will wake up speaking japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252301
but that wasn't even my implication

[Anonymous No.]

Just watch 24 hours of anime per day for approximately 416 days and you'll be fluent instantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252294
super hyped. I was amazed when I understood this one kanji passing by in an ad just by putting the keywords together. Looked it up to make sure too. Now I understand why they call RTK the foundation of your studies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252250

If you're problem is not knowing vocabulary keep going. If you're struggling with sentence structure or grammar. Read through a grammar resource at least once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252274
My native tongue is german, actually and you are english is like the retarded little brother of german. Spanish, french and italian are harder than english. English is by far the easiest western language. No cases, no gender and no capitalized words except names. It is literally a language for stupid people. Not that this is entirely something bad.
Germanfag out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252322
actually true

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252333
but nothing you listed has much to do with the difficulty of acquiring a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252238
I finish in August too, but we should both quit RTK because it's pointless. We should start learning actual Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252353
do this!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252353
RTK is meant to help you learn faster. Basically a booster pack for vocab Inquisition and baby this rocket will never stop. Its so much easier to learn something you already have a connection with. Stick to building your rocket man, it'll pay off in dividends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251393
>What's the last eroge you read (not necessarily to completion)?
dracu-riot
>What is your reading speed like?
Somedays it feels fast, other days slow as fuck. Overall slow
>How many eroge have you read?
5, or 5.1 including hanahira
>How many volumes of manga have you read?
107

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252455
*acquisition

[Anonymous No.]

Wait so Matt's discord posts here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252459
"に好き"? I thought it's が好き

[Anonymous No.]

dont skip tk lol no lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252455
>RTK is meant to help you learn faster

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252473
Being this new and assuming is a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252301
obviously grammar books and looking shit up helps, but input is the only way to get an intuitive understanding, and too much time attempting to "learn" grammar outside of input is a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw did RTK and had fun but now mining actual Japanese is boring

Wtf? I thought this would be much more fun. I guess drowning in ambiguity as a beginner takes its toll

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252455
yes, that's what it's meant for, the interesting thing is that there is no evidence that that is true, only anecdote
and anecdote is biased as fuck, you're not going to spend 4 months dedicated to one thing and then admit that maybe it wasn't the most efficient use of your time after all

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252500
if you're not having fun maybe you're doing something wrong, i enjoyed my first day reading and i still enjoy it now. maybe care less about the fact that your comprehension is bad, or pick something that you might enjoy more in spite of your low comprehension.

[Anonymous No.]

>learning all the kana up front is encouraged as mandatory.
>learning all the other Japanese symbols? LUL don't be a brainlet!

[Anonymous No.]

Dear Diary,
I tried to read today but it was back to back sex scenes. No new words were mined from them. When they finally ended so too did my concentration. I'll try harder tomorrow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252536
You are supposed to skip them because it's assumed you already know enough of H vocabulary since H scenes are the first things we master.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252548
I did hold control for a bit but it wasn't until the tail end when I really felt like nothing was being learned.
> it's assumed you already know enough of H vocabulary since H scenes are the first things we master
It's my first read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252534
it helps that you can actually learn kana while memorizing kanji isn't learning kanji
but you're right dude better polish off the 6355 kanji of JIS X 0208 before you start learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

why do yall insist on doing everything but learn nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

Why do you post here all day instead of learning nip?

[Anonymous No.]

why do you

[Anonymous No.]

I don't

[Anonymous No.]

well i dont

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252500
how the fuck is it possible to have fun with RTK. I hate this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252511
3 months if your not a lazy fuck. I already see results just nearly a month in. Went through Tae Kim a few months and could not for the love of me remember the kanji vocabs 1-10 minutes after *learning* them. Forget its reading I couldn't even give a clue on what the meaning was. That's after wasting 10 minutes scribbling it on a notebook. Skip to yesterday, I skimmed through TK and it was like a miracle. The kanji i've come across in RTK so far stood out like bleeding letters in the compound kanji's. I was able to guess the meaning 8/10 times and the readings I memorized I can still recall today. Its all about connections and yes, i'd think RTK is an efficient use of my time.

[Anonymous No.]

you just think rtk is a good use of your time because dont know what real 成長 feels like

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252747
You can wad through the swamp ahead of me I'll just build my boat in the meantime

[Anonymous No.]

if you never learn how to drive a boat building one aint gonna do you no good unless you wanna just get good at building boats

you know theres a something marine guy whos all about that i heard

[Anonymous No.]

>drive a boat
So, this is the power of a native?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252511
>you're not going to spend 4 months dedicated to one thing and then admit that maybe it wasn't the most efficient use of your time after all
i will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252781
youre so clueless about the seas you dont even know how people refer to the act of using a boat to navigate them

and you think youre gonna build one and drive it?

what a fuckin crocka shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252733
well no shit you see results, it would be undoubtedly a waste of time if you didn't see results
the question was if those results are better than if you had spent the time jumping straight into japanese in the first place
also the benefit appears to be bigger when most of the words you don't know are extremely easy and intuitive, and for those words would it really matter if you learned 水 and 道 as water and roadway or if you learned them through みず and みち before you encountered 水道?
i will admit there may be a benefit to focusing on a couple hundred kanji so that you get better at seeing them as kanji and not as blobs. but 2000 or 3000? i began to find that hard to believe as i got closer. i'd rather only worry about kanji that appear in words i know at this point, and not worry about how quickly i get through x number of kanji, it's not like if you finish RTK you'll be done with kanji anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252699
What's not fun dude? It's pretty symbols. It's Japanese, they have meaning. They're like little Pokemon except they're useful in real life

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252781
natives do indeed say "drive a boat" although often it is in jest
this has been your daily english thread lesson

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252800
lmao get a fucking clue and fuck outta my face.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252821
the not fun part is spending hours a day memorizing a bunch of random symbols that don't enable you to read japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252830
talk to a real skipper hell tell you about how to drive a boat you pasty pale fuck lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252832
you sound enlightened, consider dropping rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252842
can't. i'm in too deep.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252844
how deep is too deep, i was at 1800
it'll feel good to learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246700
I think I spent about 4-5 hours on it. Just a an hour a day for a week and you'll be good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252849
700. i think i'm gonna go ahead and destroy what little willpower i have left by doing both RTK and reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252832
>don't enable you to read Japanese

Neither does learning kana but everyone recommends it. Ever think maybe there's more to learning nihongo than vocab?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246700
Try Heisig's Remembering the Kana.

[Anonymous No.]

How does reading on a Kindle compare to html with Yomichan? I'm about to start my first book but I don't know if I should sign up for an amazon account or not (I do have a Kindle sitting in a box though...)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252865
>Neither does learning kana
what the hell

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252865
even comparing the usefulness of kana in reading japanese and the usefulness of rtk in reading japanese is solid evidence that you haven't started learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252865
is this what the kids call "going full retard" lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252892
>>19252888
>>19252883
>When djt becomes r*ddit

Holy fuck you guys actually think learning kana teaches you any more Japanese than kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252903
Yes. Spoken words consist of kana only and the spoken language came before any text.

[Anonymous No.]

why you bein such a fuckin baka bro

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252903
no, i think that learning kana is essential in being able to read and "learning" kanji only affects your ability to guess meanings of easy words without being able to read them

[Anonymous No.]

the speech act is the fundamental form of language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252903
you said knowing kana doesn't enable you to read japanese but that is exactly what kana does. nobody is saying that knowing the kana will magically let you know 15k words. whereas associating a keyword with a kanji doesn't do that. it's a step removed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252903
me driving along djt and then getting to your post

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbvmUSvJbck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252920
By that logic skip kana and only listen to spoken. Or join our conversation about written Japanese that were currently having, retard

>>19252926
Wtf? Even if the symbols were meaningless you'd still have to learn their shape to be literate.

>>19252942
>making sounds is the same as reading
Holy shit what? I can literally read Russian now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252061
>Wrong.
Right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59YBKx-0Q6M
Hm, a Drumpf-hating, subversive, high verbal IQ Jew that has interviewed famous linguists like Krashen, or some random nonsense government agency that specializes in training tens of thousands of US diplomats?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252959
>Even if the symbols were meaningless you'd still have to learn their shape to be literate.
and you can do that through learning words
i didn't say that kanji are useless for reading, i said that "learning" kanji by themselves separate from words is useless for reading
before you turn that argument back around to kana: kana are more consistent than the alphabet, there are very few exceptions, learning kana doesn't leave you unable to actually read them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252977
tell steve i wanna fight him in a seniors only free style rap battle

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252959
>making sounds is the same as reading
no but you need to know the sound to know the reading. RTK does not provide this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252977
Based steven poster. Why do I see so little of steven in djt nowadays?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252977
let's be honest the reason that the foreign service institute is wrong is because they don't factor in watching anime and playing eroge, a vital steps in learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252987
>learning kana doesn't leave you unable to actually read them

Actually it does because making stupid monkey noises isn't the same as "reading"

>>19252991
Correct, RTK does not teach readings. This is the only smart thing you've said in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

until steve posts a video of him reading the beginning of muramasa i dont believe he knows nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251910
But if I didn't remember it the first time what guarantee is there that I'll remember when I next see it in 6.1 months?

t. the guy that asked it the other day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253014
right. kana enables you to learn readings. RTK doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252990
you'd beat まあさまあ (that's his rapper name now) but steve would kick your ass

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252977
>It's not difficult!
>BTW I had already memorized all the kanji before starting

Lmao, this guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253025
maybe dude hes got a little more gray hair than i do

is there anything that shows him being real ninja tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253024
>kana enables you to learn readings

Wrong. Readings don't require any written language, and certainly don't require kana when written

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253014
actually making stupid monkey noises is the same as reading
i'm afraid you're confusing reading with comprehension
an easy mistake
kana and kanji don't grant comprehension
kanji doesn't enable reading
glad this is cleared up

[Anonymous No.]

私の名前はジェフ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253019
can you explain why this is a problem at all if you're reading and getting exposure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253039
こんにちわjeffさんわたしはゲイと申します

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253034
now you're confusing reading with listening
and you're confusing the possibility of encountering transliterated text with the ability to consume normal media
it might take a while to clear up all of your misconceptions

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253034
>Readings don't require any written language
by definition they do. i think you're confusing terms here. have you been engaging in some epic trolling after i corrected your initial retardation a few posts back?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248777
Upgrade clover you baka, you can select post text now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253019
there is no guarantee
there is also no guarantee you'll remember it if you had passed the card without this whole situation happening
the scheduling algorithm is made so that you will likely remember some percentage of cards
don't treat anki like a holy grail, it's just a supplement to reading and it has far more value when you know enough words that you are learning words you wont see very often when you read anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>Heisig's Remembering The Japanese

Why isn't this a thing? I want vocab mnemonics

[Anonymous No.]

because heisig heika wants you to stop looking to the past and turn to the future at some point

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252991
You learn the readings when you start sentence mining. Its not that difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253081
that would be called Remembering The Vocab
Remembering The Japanese would be sacred sentence cards, maybe some famous youtuber will create it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253090
but imagine if you did that without wasting 3-4 months fapping

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253081

Because it's not as easy to fool people if you give them something that actually makes them think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253087
No more yesterday. Only today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253110
the today we make ourselves

[Anonymous No.]

no sakubee the future

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz-zIfQrcao#t=57

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253112
that clearly says tomorrow but ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253121
better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtKA47xA67Q

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253161
Laur copycat

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248010
>doesn't use lead as a sweetener

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253182
How did you catch such a deeply layered joke?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248006
get that girl some tp for her bunghole

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253091
>sacred sentence cards,
Jay Aye El You Pee
So, sentence cards are good for beginners but at a certain point, vocab cards just make more sense, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253207
Sentence cards are only useful in the sense that they forcibly expose you to Japanese outside the context of reading practice. But you can just put translated example sentences on the back of your cards if you want that.

[Anonymous No.]

ウうううぅぅーおおおおおおおああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああああいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいいぃぃぃぃぃぃいぃぃぃぃ
ごめん、軽くイキました

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253207
>>19253212
And yes, being exposed to Japanese outside of reading practice is mainly for beginners, since it's so hard for an actual beginner to "read".

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253212
>>19253216
>translated example sentences
No. I'm down with sentence cards, but I'm not down with translated sentence cards.
Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253222
They're not sentence cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
>When did you start?
September 2017

>What level are you at now?
I can enjoy light novels but my listening is shit, I reddited for the first 6 months and only started reading like 3 months ago. I have finished the 2k and have about 1000 mined cards. I stared rwatching raws less than a month ago. I have 40 hours of raw anime and like 1200 pages of reading.

>How far do you think you'll be by the end of this year?

hopefully my listening gets a lot better. maybe read re:zero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253101
I would argue someone who's done rtk can learn vocabs faster than one who hasn't. In order to memorize a kanji vocab you need to recall how it looks, distinguish it from similar looking looking pictures whether it be a dot here, a slash there, 2 1/2 more horizontal lines on the top etc. You need to attach this blob to its meaning and finally learn the multiple readings through gradual context. 2/3 is done in RTK. Giving 3 months to gain this perk is worth more than your grinding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253207
i don't have a strong opinion on this
i see problems with arguments in both directions
i don't think that additional context is cheating and while it certainly is not a replacement for reading i think there's a little bit of value in coming back to a sentence that you thought was educational a few more times at SRS-guided intervals
it also helps you avoid making one card for two readings and four different uses of one word, which i consider to be a bad idea
but it's also a little slower and you don't look as carefully at the kanji
my overall suggestion is it doesn't matter, pick one, read more, worry less about how optimal your anki usage is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253244
>but it's also a little slower and you don't look as carefully at the kanji
I never look carefully at the kanji any way even if it's 四字熟語. Normal words, I'll look at the おくりがな or whatever for hints. Basically, I'm always relying on some sort of context to make things easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253240
all of that happens either way, the question is if the slightly higher difficulty of each word with a new kanji is a larger loss of time than 3 months of rtk, and the answer is that no one knows but personally i regret not reading earlier

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251094
>>19251193
>>19251393
Manga isn't reading though.
>>19252536
You're supposed to ctrl the h-scenes
>>19252994
here you go
>>19253225
dont read rezero its bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
May 2017
I'm generally OK with manga and I can generally get most of Anime as long as they don't talk super fast/weird or some shit.
Hopefully better at everything and I'll finally man up and try out a LN or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253271
that's why i think arguments against context are shit, identifying words outside of context isn't beneficial towards actually consuming real japanese, and even for that skill you'll probably be fine when you've seen them in context a thousand times just like you are in your native language

[Anonymous No.]

a given sentence is a particular context, not context in general
the purpose of flashcards is to build an association between the spelling, reading, and meaning of a given word, when you have sentences on the front then you also build an association with that particular sentence
if you have cards with just the spelling on the front then you're also training your ability to ignore everything else and recognize the word from its spelling alone; this is a very minor thing but it's better than nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253277
I would say learning the 10k-(x)k of vocab during your life time study adds up in the end.The faster you learn the less you get frustrated and the further you get ahead. Your gonna start reading sooner or later might as well help yourself in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck. Why is narration so much easier to grasp than the dialogues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253112
>ぬ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253333
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253332
If narration is harder than dialogue, you spend too much time doing things other than reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253344
Er, if dialogue is harder than narration

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any point in studying pitch accent? Or is it just something you'll pick up from conversing with natives? (like kanji and vocab)
And yes, I'd like to be able to speak 日本語.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253344
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253362
If *dialogue is harder than *narration, you spend too might time doing things other than reading
>>19253348

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253356
In my experience you learn that naturally by watching, listening, and conversing a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253356
It's important to learn, but the resources that actually cover the important parts (how pitch accent interacts with prosody) aren't going to be comprehensible until you're close to fluent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253321
i think that building association with that particular sentence is overstated, and regardless there is a small benefit as well to building an association with the word being used in a particular sentence
i don't disagree that there is a minor benefit to being able to recognize the word in isolation, but how important is it, and will it not also happen from seeing the word many times in context? if the card is "easier" but lacks this, is it actually a worse use of your time?

[Anonymous No.]

Can I ask a somewhat dumb question? What's the general principle when combining colours? I assume you'd use the 音読み. I'm not too sure as to how to read 白緑色; Is it はくりょくいろ？Surely it's not しろみどりいろ？

[Anonymous No.]

>Without Getting Kanji Out of The Way, Learning Japanese Will Become A Massive Burden
>The problem with kanji is that it seems like such a massive task that if you don’t actually get it out of the way first then it will just weigh you down throughout the rest of your studies.
>You will start seeing it as this mammoth of a wall that you could never even think about climbing over. This will put pressure on your studies and will make it more likely that you will quit Japanese as you will constantly be thinking about how it’s too difficult to learn kanji and thus Japanese.
Has this been your experience? I was under the impression Kanji isn't really a big deal, particularly if you read every day. I didn't think it was a massive wall that couldn't be overcome without doing RTK like this guy suggests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253426
>はくりょくいろ
はくりょくしょく you mean. That's what I'd go with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253494
If you're not a brainlet with a crap memory, kanji isn't a big deal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253296
But I started learning Japanese to read re:zero without shitty translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253188

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253494
No. kanji study should only be done if you're really really stupid and have a bad memory or if you want to write

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253494
>started RTK a couple months ago, while already doing vocab and reading. I'm now dropping RTK so I waste less time not reading
How far into RTK did you get? I'd finish it if I were you. Kanji can be overcome without using RTK but if someone isn't willing to do RTK for a mere few months I question their will power in the long term.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253494
those arguments are often used in defense of doing RTK but they seem to be comparing it to the alternative of not learning words with kanji and using kana as a crutch
every person i've ever seen say that kanji has become a big wall in their minds is someone who used kana as a crutch and didn't even learn kanji via words
the middleground of not doing RTK but not avoiding kanji either is fine
it seems like these people genuninely think that RTK is the only way to "learn" kanji

[Anonymous No.]

I've been studying for 11 months and have 5k vocab and 1940 kanji, I want to do RTK but I don't want to stop mining new words. I think I'll do it when I'm fluent like Matt did

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253559
meant for:
>>19248001

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253559
their willpower in what? pretending to optimize their learning because they're afraid of struggling a bit? reading shows more willpower than doing rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253571
>11 months and have 5k vocab and 1940 kanji
lol that's it? No wonder AJATTers recommend RTK in 3 months and then sentence mining from then on out.

[Anonymous No.]

If I want to be able to write all the kanji, is RTK the best option? I had about 7k cards in Anki before I quit using it, so I'm not a beginner. Here is my kanji grid, but I haven't done reps in 2 years, so assume I've forgotten a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253613
RTK isn't even close to being the best option. If you actually want to learn to write kanji - as in have it as a skill that sticks with you and that can be applied to writing out short notes or whatever - you should use drill books intended for natives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253613
>If I want to be able to write all the kanji, is RTK the best option?
Shouldn't you just use pencil and paper?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253613
I mean, I can recall all the kanji I've associated with a keyword and write them in correct stroke order, so I don't know what the other guy is on about. Remembering how to write each kanji is the first step to writing sentences if he's trying to argue they aren't the same skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253639
Can you write out わがくにのこどものいしきにかんする in kanji in ms paint or something to show that you're not talking out your ass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253653
No because RTK doesn't teach you words. It teaches you how to write kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253656
So you can't write?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253656
if you knew literally any japanese at all then you would know exactly what kanji are supposed to go in that sentence. it's incredibly basic. and if you can write kanji you would be able to write them. are you going to do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253657
Correct. I can write many kanji though, which is what that guy is interested in.

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck is the stroke order for 女？it's not く　の　いち、 I've tried like 50 different ways of writing it on jisho and it won't recognize it

I obviously need to know it to look up other kanji that use the radical

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253669
Okay. Then write out the kanji that are supposed to go in that sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253674
It's くノ一. Jisho is just bad.

https://kanji.sljfaq.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253675
But I don't know the words of that sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

可愛いアニメ少女に君の口にうんこさせないと日本語を出来ない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253680
This is your Japanese on RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

don't try to give learning advice to people who know way more japanese than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253674
Use Google Translate, it's order agnostic and so much more reliable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253683
But he's already learning actual Japanese. He asked about learning to write the kanji, which is what RTK teaches you to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252872
Kindles are nice if you are away from your computer, but lookups in the browser are so much faster. One of the best parts about reading on the Kindle is that you can have vertical text, which I find very enjoyable.

>>19253653
This is why I want to know how to write. I know all those words but I can't even imagine what any of them look like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253691
Bad post.

>>19253691
Good post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253639
>I can recall all the kanji I've associated with a keyword
Shouldn't that keyword be its reading?

[Anonymous No.]

My bad, I meant to go

>>19253691
Bad post.

>>19253693
Good post.

But I ruined it. Spoiled. Failed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253696
Bad post.
>>19253699
Worse post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253699
bad post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253688
But RTK teaches you to write the kanji and it doesn't sound like that other guy who claimed RTK was a bad way to learn to write kanji ever tried it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253713

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253698
I've heard that most of the keywords relate to the kanji's meaning but sometimes they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253713
how can someone try a resource for learning something they already know

[Anonymous No.]

>漢字書き
爆笑

[Anonymous No.]

nigga what the fuck is jiru kandeki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253730
that's not a valid order of reading the characters in that image even if you try to read it vertically

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253726
They can't. But then why did they say RTK is a bad way to learn to write kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253737
Experienced people can judge things without using them.

I don't need to taste it to tell you that putting granulated sugar on an already-cooked pizza is a bad idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253740
OK but why is RTK a bad way to learn to write kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253729
「漢字を書きている」じゃない？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253613
if you already know 7k words then RTK will be wasting your time making you create useless associations with english words even when you already have something to associate the kanji with
if you want to be able to write kanji, i guess do cloze on unambiguous words or short sentence fragments that are you already know, optionally with furigana. i don't have a suggestion for 旧字体 or alternate forms but you can figure something out. don't bother learning kanji that aren't used in any word you know, and it's not a great idea to learn a word just because it uses a kanji you want to learn.
i don't recommend this to everyone learning japanese but if you want to learn to write you're free to do so. i think it's better to do later on than before you start reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253733
i wouldnt know because i did rtk lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253745
Because it doesn't train you to write from Japanese words, which is what you're going to be doing whenever you actually write kanji. It trains you to write from english keywords. If you ~specifically~ want to learn to write kanji you want to use something meant for writing kanji based on Japanese words you have in your head, not based on keywords. RTK might work but it's not going to be any better than something that gets to the point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253748
this is one of the only valid uses of cloze cards btw

[Anonymous No.]

Front:
[すば]らしき日々

Back:
[素晴]らしき日々

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253653
Not the person you were talking to, just wanted to see if I could.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253776
Write out the other half of こども please. Also did you look up how they look or anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253753
A complete beginner can learn and remember the correct stroke order for dozens of kanji per day every day in just an hour or two throughout the duration of RTK because of the keyword association. Anon already knows a lot of words so RTK would be even easier for him, because he can incorporate readings into the mnemonics. Could he remember to write as many kanji in that amount of time using correct stroke order with your method?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253569
its not the only way but rather the most efficient way. 3 months is not a high price to pay for softening kanji vocab learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253782
No, this is my preferred spelling for that word. And no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253784
The anon that wants to learn to write kanji in the conversation is not a complete beginner. Stay on topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253794
>The anon that wants to learn to write kanji in the conversation is not a complete beginner.

>Anon already knows a lot of words so RTK would be even easier for him, because he can incorporate readings into the mnemonics. Could he remember to write as many kanji in that amount of time using correct stroke order with your method?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253797
I want you to reformulate your post without the pretense of it being better or worse for them than it would be for complete beginners. It's completely irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

is this the nicolas cage of male VAs
why can't I escape this man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253785
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253798
I'm confused as to what you're asking but if you're not going to answer my basic question I'm guessing your answer is either "I don't know" or "no", in which case that's fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253748
I think I am going to go through my vocab decks again with definition and reading on front, kanji on the back. I'm worried I won't be able to remember them without mnemonics, but I won't know if it is a problem until I try. I'm not a fan of clozed or sentence cards.

I agree that learning writing before you can read seems like a waste of time. I hate not being able to see a kanji in my head when I think of it, so I think learning to write will solve that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253809
>I hate not being able to see a kanji in my head when I think of it, so I think learning to write will solve that.
It will.
t. currently doing RTK and that's exactly what it lets me do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253816
That's funny, I didn't do RTK and I can do it fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253817
What's funny? I'm aware there are literally tens of millions of people who can do it without RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253776
>writing the basedboy version of 國

As expected from a heisigdrone

[Anonymous No.]

there is a world of resources and techniques beyond what's recommended by the people who happened to introduce you to the path you're taking
the path you're taking might work but it's not likely to be among the best
you can learn japanese without perpetuating things you haven't finished benefiting from

[Anonymous No.]

How do we know if Jamal is an actual person?

It seems unlikely that some old dude who likes rap lurks this thread constantly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253823
that's not the mistake they made there anon
(you don't know japanese)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253823
I don't know who you're quoting, but I've never used RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

who gives a fuck

and thats me saying that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253816
>is currently using rtk
>knows literally 0 Japanese
>trying to give advice
The people who use rtk are hilarious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253803
Anyone who mines sentences for a few weeks can read LN like these. A step after RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253856
Okay, can you do it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253855
But it's advice on how to write kanji and that's exactly what RTK does. It's the entire point of RTK and it's enabled me to recall how to write kanji in correct stroke order based on a keyword. I cannot tell if I'm getting trolled right now or what.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253856
Which makes it even sadder that you can't read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253868
Can you write まち for us then? The one that isn't 町.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253878

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253785
people love to repeat it's the most efficient but they refuse to admit that it's an assumption
you don't know that it's more efficient
i don't know that it's less efficient
let's try being honest with ourselves shall we

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253878
Good enough for google

[Anonymous No.]

spoiler that shit dude i dont wanna look at gore

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253870
What's the point of being smug about being slightly ahead of others. Is it false that it only takes a few weeks of mining to read that post? where's the excessive pride coming from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253902
fair enough. From what i researched it "appears" to me that it is the most efficient process of reaching my goal of reading successfully.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253809
i think that you're going to be putting a lot of time into the same kanji, and into words that are easy to guess based on other words you're practicing, unless you sift through all of them and pick which ones to actually review
cloze gets a bad rap because people use it in stupid ways, also sentence fragments aren't sentences, i'm just saying とる is ambiguous but 写真をとる helps, and there's not always an easy alternative like 撮影, but sometimes even context doesn't help so it's imperfect
regardless, good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253296
>You're supposed to ctrl the h-scenes
Whats the fucking point then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254019
Sorry I was being smug in response to others smugness. it takes longer than a few weeks to read that, and quite a while to be good enough to read it without getting made fun of for accent and stuttering. Also mining is not what helps you improve it is actually completely unnecessary just read and listen that is all it takes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254060
Something that can contain porn is going to be otherwise almost entirely uncensored.

[Anonymous No.]

he never played a hentai game with meaningful dialogue during sexy time lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254060
The plot, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

Okay, seriously, when are we going to change the link in the OP to a different site?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254097
when there is one worth linking to, presumably

[Anonymous No.]

If there isn't a good one then make a good one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253426
It's しろみどりいろ if it you mean color between white and green vaguely.

It's はくりょくしょく if you mean some color between white and green more strictly.

In this case, maybe it's びゃくろくしょく since there is color called 白緑（びゃくろく）.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254060
Some of us read eroge for the plot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254080
You can usually tell if there'll be important lines beforehand and if you're not sure then you can either skim instead of ctrling or just ctrl then scan through the backlog.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253803
>output

Get the fuck outta /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254143
Looks like someone's new here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254143
welcome to \djt/ enjoy your stay

https://streamable.com/q3vq2

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254146
This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
This thread is not for you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254152
Yes. I wrote those sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

"I like feminine clothes and (feminine) shoes and such"

女らしい服や女らしいくつが好きだ
Or
女らしい服やくつが好きだ

Which one is more correct, is the top one even grammatical and finally is there a better way to say it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254152
Looks like someone's new here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254122
Hmmm that makes sense. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254207
The latter has hits on google, the former doesn't. It might be because of length but the second is at least acceptable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254212
Enlighten me on how outputting Jap noises is related to understanding LNs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254230
If you can't pronounce every word in that image, you don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254237
So why the vocaroo link? One could just write it in kana. Your test is shit and belongs on /int/ or Reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>When you already know a lot of animal names because of pokemon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254230
if you cant think in japanese you cant understand what youre reading period

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253426
ほとんででてこないとおう

むりくりよむなら

>はくりょくしょく

>>19254207
どっちもつうじるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254287
ほとんでってなんだよぼけ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254230
it's not outputting if you're reading input now is it
>>19254259
any idiot can OCR an image, it'll be more obvious if you don't know japanese when you try to read it out loud. there's an obvious difference between being bad at speaking and having no fucking clue what japanese even sounds like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254300
ぼけちがう

まじまちがい

[Anonymous No.]

also toradora poster has been going for 7 months, that's why you're new

[Anonymous No.]

I see 抽送 so fricking much, is it because 抽挿 doesn't come up in IME's when you spell it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254355
I've been here longer than that.

>>19254311
>moving the goal posts

Now I know you're just trolling, last response from me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254387
no goalpost has been moved

[Anonymous No.]

reciting something is no different from verbalizing it in your head
and if you can't verbalize something so simple then you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253803
https://vocaroo.com/i/s0zWbgNOMwGP

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254438
Your translations, although somewhat minimalistic seem very 上手, wanna join my future vn translation team? So far its only me.

[Anonymous No.]

gag me with a spoon

[Anonymous No.]

>skipping h-scenes
May as well just admit you're gay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254518
I'm maximum gay (I self insert as the girl) and I don't skip h-scenes

[Anonymous No.]

Inserting as the girl isn't gay

[Anonymous No.]

it is if you're a guy and you're not a girl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253776
You got 国 wrong. Absolutely hilarious, you RTK drones.

[Anonymous No.]

Nah, imagining what it's like to orgasm as a cute girl is pretty straight.

[Anonymous No.]

it's not the orgasm that i'm after, it's the dicks and semen

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254595
what if you imagine what it's like as a cute lesbian

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252534
I learned katakana without memorizing them individually just by recognizing word shapes

[Anonymous No.]

おチンチンが大好きですが

精子をすげえ飲みたい

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252534
> ~100 characters that are always read the same with exactly 4 exceptions, 3 of them being は、を and へ as particles
> at least 2500 Chinese characters, that were not created for Japanese, so each has 2 or more different readings

[Anonymous No.]

but anonkuntachi how is it possible to learn a word if you don't know what the kanjishapes within said word mean according to glorious heisigsama

[Anonymous No.]

あぁあ~　可愛い少女としてオナニーしたい~

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254799
~より～が好きです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254662
What's the fourth exception?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254811
せ_ん
し_ん_ぱい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254797
>what the kanjishapes within said word mean
They mean nothing. if you're looking for kanji that have meaning, learn Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254826
?
Not seeing any exception here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254867
He's an EOP retard that thinks it's pronounced sempai, which isn't true

[Anonymous No.]

女の子にうんこされたい〜

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254867
Back to your hiragana studies then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254879
こっちこそ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254876
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA/Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254885
>wikipedia source

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254899
Provide a better one, then, or you don't have an argument.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254876
ん has 5 pronunciations and the rules are fairly easy to pick up from listening, you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>he thinks slurring syllables are "exceptions"

[Anonymous No.]

You don't know Japanese if you think へ and を　are pronounced as e and o

[Anonymous No.]

>he thinks slurring syllables isn't pronunciation

[Anonymous No.]

How are they pronounced then, huh senpai?

[Anonymous No.]

Slurring is not proper pronunciation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254953
n n m ng ng
i don't know ipa brother

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254960
now you're just embarrassing yourself
some slurring is not proper pronunciation, some slurring is more proper of pronunciation than not slurring, do you know any language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254961
Those are slurs, not rules.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254970
language doesn't have rules

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254976
Your manko doesn't have rules

[Anonymous No.]

ITT: EOPs that have to come up with imaginary concepts like rules and exceptions because their rotted american peanut brains can't hear the difference between nihon e youkoso and nihon he youkoso

uh-ree-gut-toe go-zay-mah-soo, bobu-san

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254970
>>19254976
allow me to expand. language doesn't have rules, it has usage patterns. the most widely spoken dialect "slurs" ん into multiple different pronunciations with high consistency. guess you'd better accept that it's part of japanese whether your preferred textbook author says it's the "rule" or not.

[Anonymous No.]

ITTIL people from Tohoku don't know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

haha yall niggas all 五里霧中, just read more and stop being genkicucks, you'll never learn a language by studying wikimedia haha

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255055
i agree except if you want to know what japanese sounds like then listen instead of reading and making assumptions

[Anonymous No.]

ハワイで日本人はめっちゃたくさんいるよ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255071
ok look I know being monolingual and/or american really limits your intelligence, but you should really let go of all these fucking shadows you're fighting, like you read something and someone says something stupid like それじゃ　you look up what the fuck that means, make a mental note and move on, you might actually have brain damage if you need to look up and memorize how ん gets corrupted when preceding a certain syllable

i can practically guarantee you use hepburn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252086
Fixed it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255097
Wait until you know japanese to create your own sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

さっきはね、妹がオナニーしていた、でもしながらうんこしたくなっちゃった。
そして俺をよんで、オナニーしながら美味しいうんこして俺に食べさせて、最後に妹がいちゃった。

よいの日だったなー
俺の妹はさいっこう！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254876
It's pronounced sempai also you don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254939
You don't know Japanese.
>>19254970
You don't know Japanese.

I was going to tag more but I realized that half of it was one person samefagging and I don't want to give them any more yous than necessary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19251393
Just finished deigrashia no rashinban.
Slower than average
Over 20
0

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255200
Thanks for the (You)

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone in this thread is a cutey and I want to hug and headpat you all.

[Anonymous No.]

any of you talking about pronunciation and that think へ and を are pronounced e and o please post a vocaroo so i can have my daily giggle, even matt can't pronounce japanese after 10 years and armchair generals on /djt/ think they can because they've read n is pronounced as m in senpai on genki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255223
You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255100
when did i say anything about looking it up and memorizing it, i noticed it through listening, calm down my dude
i hate hepburn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255223
you haven't watched 10000 hours of anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255143
下品な妄想はやめてくれない？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255229
いやだ〜

[Anonymous No.]

を is only pronounced with a wo in song and histrionic formal speech and the particle へ is literally never ever under any circumstances pronounced with an h in standard varieties of modern japanese

[Anonymous No.]

t. ふ is pronounced as fu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255256
A bit softer but yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254876

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255256
ふー

はつおんしてみて

ふー

[Anonymous No.]

Sometimes I wonder why I still bother coming here when it's full of EOPs that can't even hear Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>ふがし

おにいちゃんたべよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255337
You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone help me understand how and when to use という? I'm really struggling to understand it right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255357
If you're bad enough at Japanese to ask this question then you can't "use" it. You can only remember specific patterns where it happens to be used and use those.

[Anonymous No.]

「/jp/」というウェブサイトには沢山の藝アノン

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255357
https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%84%E3%81%86

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255364
あたしは藝に関していろんなことを見せて行います

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255141
That perspective is bullshit, it's very useful to experiment with your own sentences when you're a beginner, it makes you think about and look up how to do more things in the language and motivates you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255556
t. EOP

[Anonymous No.]

I actually can speak about JPLT Level 3 Japanese and I'm actually looking forward to using it in the real world and not on a skype chat with my teacher.

It's a cross-country tour with a dozen people (Tokyo, Kyoto, Hiroshima, climbing Fuji etc) so I'm looking forward to it. Cost a shitload but I won't remember the price when I'm dead, only that I had a good time so I don't worry about that too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253693
Speaking of Kindles, I have a pretty old Kindle Keyboard (about 8 years old). How can I install a Japanese-Japanese or Japanese-English vocabulary on it?

I know that the more recent ones allow you to do this pretty much automatically but it's been difficult on my archaic model. I can't even change the system language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255574
Nah, I'm actually ESL

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
>Halfway through 2017
>4500 words into core2k/6k, can read manga and video games easily but VNs and LNs are still a challenge. Also my listening comprehension isn't great but I feel like I miss too much if I turn subtitles off.
>I guess I'll have finished Core, hopefully reading LNs won't be as painful.

[Anonymous No.]

I just woke up and looked at the last 50 posts and I'd like to announce that I now have cancer, thanks DJT

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255632
>can read manga
Manga isn't reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255338
おにいちゃんは食べ物じゃありません

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255616
I have a similar generation Kindle. You just have to find one and copy it across (or buy one). Then in the settings it should let you pick dictionaries per language.
Unfortunately it's still pretty useless as it doesn't recognise word boundaries well so it can't look things up properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255808
That's a shame.

Do you know if there's an easy way to add furigana to more words? That'd also make it far easier to look up things I don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255944
I doubt it.
You could consider reading kids' books. But if you won't enjoy them then the fact that they're easier and have more furigana won't be much help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255944
Use a tablet, then download a popup dictionary app. A swipe and a click and you have a definition.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254097
what's the problem with the current one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19252325
沢山

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256009
Yeah I know, but I like reading on Kindle because of the e-paper display. Maybe I'll just buy a more modern ereader though, they're not super expensive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19254097
>not liking the huge free library of manga and VNs

[Anonymous No.]

きゅうりたべたい

きゅうりのサラダたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256250
食べるしか考えないのかよ我が妹よ
あと太ったら俺には知らんぞ

[Anonymous No.]

Why does core 10k still use English translations?
Aren't 6000 words enough to start using a J-J dictionary? There is a minimum set of words needed for your look-up sequence not to turn into an infinite loop, and I'm pretty sure that set is smaller than 6000 (well, at least in English it is).

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはわるくない

いちじくたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256310
any ankidrone can memorize 6k words and not be able to read a single sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256377
Only if you don't do anything but Anki, which is retarded and as a result rare.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256382
Or so I hope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256310
>Aren't 6000 words enough to start using a J-J dictionary?
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256310
6000 words acquired through anki might just be equal to nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256449
More way than enough in English, I don't believe Japanese (correction: bastardized Chinese and some Japanese) has so many more words, you can get stuck in a loop knowing 6000.
Unless the dictionary makers sucks at their job, of course.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256478
*Way more than enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256478
Matt recommends the transition to J-J dictionaries after something like 3-6 months of sentence mining so 6k is definitely enough. Based Matt.

[Anonymous No.]

what happened to https://mokuroku.neocities.org/

[Anonymous No.]

反抗に反攻したけど犯行だった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256478
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K__EEmiOYw4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256528
He sounds black

[Anonymous No.]

any recommended tweaks to Anki's default settings, besides review cap?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256679
uninstalling the program will provide the best results

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256704
I don't think so senpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256679
install the timeboxed answers addon, and set it to 10 seconds
if it lapses, fail the card

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256737
then thats on you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256744
Damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256530
according to his reddit he's only 9 months into ajatt and can already read, and watch his favorite anime. if a black guy can do that, imagine what you could do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256814

I'm honest though.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone decipher that last symbol on the note.
このバカップル(?)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256814
That's racist

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256909
ﾒ...!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256919
I understand you're trying to give the wrong answer on purpose but at least make it funny. Here, I'll show you the ropes.

>>19256909
the pleasure of being cummed inside

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256919
Well, it makes sense, but holy shit how does one fuck up a "メ" so bad?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256941
pretty much the same way you fuck up a が

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256941
That's not fucking up, it's just natural japanese handwriting you fucking stupid gaijin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255389
https://www.weblio.jp/content/という

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256927
rather than showing me the ropes you should hang yourself with them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257031
Now that's a clever joke. Wasn't so hard was it

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPYdQGkgrN4#t=70

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256814
What if he's black too?

[Anonymous No.]

you know theres more examples of black people knowing nihongo in these threads than there are white people

coincidence? i think not

[Anonymous No.]

A native nip on reddit claimed that a lot of translation sites like Jisho are bad because they rely on JMdict dictionaries which give too many archaic or even false-positive definitions.

If that's true are there J-E websites or software that rely on EPWING dictionaries and aren't trash?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257149

I could learn Japanese way faster if I was unemployed too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257158
not a valid reason in these ere parts innit mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257156
Just use j-j

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257170
but I have to learn at least 6k j words before I can do that and I'm only at like 1k

[Anonymous No.]

>90 min italki lesson
>teacher impressed by how fast I'm progressing
出来る

[Anonymous No.]

えぇぇぇ
アノン君すごいですね

[Anonymous No.]

what's wrong with anki? Q_Q

[Anonymous No.]

>>19255674
Didn't know you can watch manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257418

Nothing. It's a good supplement to actual learning and practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19248347
December 2016
1k into core 6k, 1k into kanjidamage. However I started them only in January of this year and do reps too irregularly. Also, I've passed N5 in November 2017, because my sensei wanted me to attend it. LN reading is pretty manageable for me, but when doing reading with the sensei by this kyokasho I still suck.
Finally will have finished 2k and will have read couple of books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257418
boring, gay, and out of context. still useful but limit yourself to 30 min a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257484
>>19257542
well I just planning on using it for reviewing mined sentences
doing core6k is what's gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257522
>kanjidamage
This used to be so popular, but I never see it anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257418
It kills you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257608
your brain cells*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19246389
There's an anonymous japanese imageboard that accepts foreigners.
What do you guys think about me making a thread for gaijins there.
How many of you are in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257559
When did the crypto meme infiltrate language education?

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone make the new one already?

[Anonymous No.]

be the change you want to see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G5P6BaTvQw#t=20

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257654
What imageboard is it?

[Anonymous No.]

hiroyuki is online
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlUkMG9g3mk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257748
I figured it would be better to create a general first and then send everyone into the site to avoid complications.
So I want to see how many people want to go there.

[Anonymous No.]

who gives a fuck tell him i wanna rap battle him and if i win he has to give 4chan to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257769
>we aren't there already

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257764
He talks pretty fast.

[Anonymous No.]

he talks pretty standard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257764
All he does is just talk about 在日 all day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257872
He's kind of slowed down now, but when I joined in he was ranting about the World Cup.

[Anonymous No.]

does yung hiro fancy him a bit o footie eh

[Anonymous No.]

Good news guys. I put a timer on a 2 minute loop and now I finish my first batch of new cards in 50 minutes as opposed to the 1 hour 30 minute unstructured time I spent on it before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257934
Do you really fucking spend 2 whole minutes per card

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257971
How else am I gonna remember the kanji you moron

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257982
See them when you're reading things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257985
>reading while being unable to write
No thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257982
This is just from personal experience, but I find printing them all out and copying them by hand is the most efficient way to remember kanji (pro tip: tracing them saves some time). Once you've done that, you're probably ready to practice speaking, so just go outside and use all the kanji you learned over the last 2 years (as per the above) by narrating your life as best you can out loud. Film it and review it daily to monitor your sick moon gainz. Lastly, move to Japan and teach English. Good luck, cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257997
>learning to write as a beginner with nothing useful to say
I'd rather learn to read faster.

[Anonymous No.]

Nothing like leaving ANN on in the background and trying to guess what crime was committed with my limited knowledge of the language. I'll miss the days of the thinking an old man killed his dog with cocaine or men getting arrested for cheating on multiple choice tests.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257764
blinks a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any decent text to speech programs or websites? I want a cute girl robot reading to me and didn't see anything about that in the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257764
It has become a language course now for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257764
who is he?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258292
It's think it's the owner of reddit, Mark Zuckerberg.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258208
You don't need text to speech when you have forvo.com

[Anonymous No.]

ㄦㄛㄡ ㄐㄝ ㄒㄞ

what does this say? Translate it weebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19253220
Does nukemarine spend hours a day reading native material or does he just do the passive listening + anki w/ subs2srs thing he streams daily? I'm just trying to figure out why he's a nihongo guru despite spending a cumulative 5 years without learning the language.

My guess is that he doesn't read much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258337
yomichan won't work on it so i can't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258337
It didn't show up in core10k so I can't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258337
Too Chinese for my liking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258368
hes not a nihongo guru hes just really good at doing things that have nothing to do with learning nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258337
Literally why would anyone use this instead of pinyin?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a deck with words in kana on the front side and corresponding kanji on the back side?
With Core6k I can't really test how well I remember the strokes, because I catch a glimpse of the kanji and my brain gets a hint.

[Anonymous No.]

why the fuck do people recommend JFZ, holy shit it got retarded shit like あre to slowly introduce kana, like holy shit just memorize them, takes a day tops.

[Anonymous No.]

i never saw anyone recommend jfz

also im more interested in what it has to say at the end of the series not the beginning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258601
No one here recommends that trash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257654
Sounds interesting, I'm @ just about 3500 words in core but I'm in

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258502
Literally why would anybody use anything but latin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258664
Because languages are different, so if you adopt a different nation's alphabet, you end up with diacritics, retarded reading rules or both (See: French, English, Polish).
The only advantage of using the same alphabet is not having to transliterate loanwords.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258705
You answered your own/that guy's question.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a Core2k deck but for manga instead. I saw someone criticize the Core2k in this thread because our initial reading material's vocab frequency will differ from that of Newspapers which is what Core2k's words are pulled from.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258664
Do you happen to be retarded by any chance?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258719
Yeah, watch mango until you mine 2k words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19257654
>There's an anonymous japanese imageboard that accepts foreigners.
Is there? By the way, do 2ch and 5chan shit on gaijans who try to post there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258733
what if I'm wrong about the words I need to know and mine though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258654
Don't worry as long we the gaijins are contained within our thread there won't be undertanding problems, also, there's a translation tool for the Japanese.

>>19258738
No, the're unable to post at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258755
What if you use a VPN?

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258758
Maybe, if you have a very good one...
But the place I'm talking about normally accepts gaijins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258758
I've used a VPN to shitpost on a 5ch japanese ASMR thread before
Not all of them work though, IPv6 and IPv4 stuff

[Anonymous No.]

>to omoimasu

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258748
You can't be wronger than core.

[Anonymous No.]

Do I look like a pretentious cunt if I use kanji for what is usually written with kana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258829
no, that's what matt used to do when he mined sentences. he'd change as many kana into kanji as he could. it's not pretentious, it's you trying to become fluent like him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258840
>fluent like him
>matt
Sorry I don't follow

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258781

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258368
Nukemarine is the guru of beginner content, because he is the eternal beginner.

>>19258561
You can change the card format or add new card types.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256310
偽物

[Anonymous No.]

>>19256679
unpopular opinion:
don't set lapse new interval to 0%
use large steps for new cards until a 30 days interval

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258779
>>19258781
>>19258879

[Anonymous No.]

please don't ruin my favorite meme, jamal.

[Anonymous No.]

its fuckin over for tom

[Anonymous No.]

Has anybody here read Dracu-riot? Why do they call Mutsura 特異な存在? Seems I wasn't really paying attention at the relevant part.

[Anonymous No.]

why even read the shit if you need someone else to effectively turn it into comprehensible input for you

[Anonymous No.]

時間は誰の味方

[Anonymous No.]

Would you consider Tae Kim more important than mining?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258986
How is this even linked with comprehensibility? I mean, you quite frequently see people missing something when watching movies or w/e even in their native language.

I mean, surely being at my level of Japanese doesn't help things, but it doesn't really mean I can't enjoy content I select or can't ask questions about whatever strikes me as curious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258963
>don't set lapse new interval to 0%
I agree. I think I set mine to 20%
>use large steps for new cards until a 30 days interval
Why would you do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259037
so if its not that then its just because youre admittedly lazy and not even paying attention to what youre doing

like im not trying to fuck with you because i want to its because im trying to make you be the best you that you can possibly be

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258992
どうしてこんなに私の胸
優しい誰かを待ってるの？
不思議な扉の文字は空耳ケーキ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259061
I sincerely thank you from the bottom of my heart. Let's make the world a better place...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259044
each time you fail a card you screw your ease factor
setting the steps for the first month allow you to bypass this
it makes little sense to lower the ease of word you just mined the day before, your brain needs more time to register the word in your long term memory

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259076
たもさん？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259019
There is literally nothing more important than mining.

[Anonymous No.]

besides learning nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259019
Read Tae Kim a couple times and don't really think about it or sweat it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259117
The possibility of that sentiment being unironic makes me shiver.

[Anonymous No.]

The most important step is to mine every sentence in Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

i wish ajatt was in the guide so people understood the importance of mining what you read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259134
learning nihongo isn't as important as enjoying compelling content

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>>19259173
why do you think i tell em to watch 10000 hours of anime : )

[Anonymous No.]

Does learning Japanese become fun when you finish core2k or start reading?
Right now it feels like a chore.

[Anonymous No.]

I keep seeing words and thinking I should mine them but keep not doing it because it's easier to rikai my way through everything.

[Anonymous No.]

use rikai
until you
become the
rikai

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>>19259233

Find Japanese television streams and attempt to watch them. It's a fun way to test what you've learned so far. Also go through Japanese the Manga way to get a foothold on grammar.

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guys I feel like such a brainlet, is there any videos explaining transitive and intransitive verbs? like I get the general idea but i don't think i can quite tell when to use which.

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>>19259233
Reading is fun if you're reading something appropriate to your level.

Especially if you're reading pornography. Most of it is baby-tier.

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>>19259241
>become the rikai

[Anonymous No.]

does not
does not
mean
can not

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259258
Here you go, this video will open your eyes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ow9TpqOat8w

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

やってる？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259233
It becomes fun when you start consuming compelling content

[Anonymous No.]

やるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259258
>when to use which

>doing output
you're doing it wrong

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any better resources for ebooks than the list in the OP? I've been trying to download some all night but the download limit for Mega.nz keeps resetting so I can't actually download anything.

Rutracker has a surprisingly large amount of ebooks but they're in jpg or png format and that's not really practical.

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>>19259258
A transitive verb is a verb that accepts a normal direct object.

An intransitive verb is a verb that does not accept a normal direct object.

You can use を with transitive verbs.

You can almost never use を with intransitive verbs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259280
女も買ってる

[Anonymous No.]

you don't need anki guys lol just keep reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259351
This but unironically.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259351
You need to listen too or you'll end up >>19259261

[Anonymous No.]

I've created a general on KaiKai chan for foreigners that want to interact and discuss various subjects with the japanese.

So if you guy really want this: all you need to do is give外国人交流スレ a thumbs up

https://kaikai.ch/

[Anonymous No.]

!achtung
paid shill
achtung!

[Anonymous No.]

*shits on the thread and flies away*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259382
What a shitty site.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259382
what is this website even

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259449
It's the only japanese image board that accepts foreigners.

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>>19259464
it looks like digg. and not in a good way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259382
I can't even open the thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259382
go forth and let the nihonjims shape you into beautiful budding pelapela nihongo tukais lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259406
>>19259407
>>19259449
>>19259464
>>19259471
>>19259483

[Anonymous No.]

what the fuck is a syutugeki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259471
It's has a dumb avaliation system to check if a thread is suitable or not.This is not a trick you can browse the site all you want
>>19259483
It need to be accepted first.

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>>19259483
Also why are there so many cancocuzin

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>>19259501
it's a 出撃

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>>19259505
It's mainly a battlefield for nettouyos and hannichis but gaijins are welcome as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259504
There's one thread that's in syouninmatimodo for 4 hours, guess we're gonna have to wait some time

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>>19259516
that sounds terrible. why would you post there

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>>19259523
Every japanese single site is a battlefield for nettouyos and cancocuzins mate.

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>>19259523
Is the only place I can.Also I suppose they won't bother to battle in a thread full of foreigners.

[Anonymous No.]

amazing

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>>19259551
I don't speak enough moon to understand what he's saying. But I'm guessing it's something raysis?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259571
Actually, he's talking about how happy he is about all races finally ignoring their differences, coming together and having some fun in the World Cup, you racist piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19258056
learning to write causes you to read faster

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>>19259583
Sorry, I am what this place has made me.

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>>19259517
It will be created instantly if it gets enough likes.
That 4hours one is going to fall pretty soon.

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>>19259588
It shoud be separated by continent but, group H is clearly divided by race

whiteVSblackVSyellowVSbrown

Colombia is quite mixed but Poland is completely white, Senegal is completely black and Japan is completely yellow.

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>>19258056
>>19259587
>not just getting writing out of the way with the added bonus of being able to recognize
Wow.

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>>19259606
You forgot to translate the best part

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>>19259591
How do I like threads?

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>>19259382
where did the thread go?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259618
Group H is a racewar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259606
>>19259618
Oh, yes the title is:
Group H is also a racial war

>>19259625
Thumbs up next to it

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>>19259639
When I try there's a red block sign stopping me
Also
>attaching a japanese imperial navy flag to the thread
All the cancocuzins are gonna dislike it, you fucked up

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>>19259648
Oh shit!I also called we gaijins 親日.

[Anonymous No.]

And it's dead

I'll try it tomorrow maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259648
Who cares about the gooks?

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>>19259668
Uh maybe you have a point but his thread just disapppeared probably because of that

[Anonymous No.]

I do have the thread text and instructions here if anyone want to try and make it.

[Anonymous No.]

https://kaikai.ch/board/44173/
https://kaikai.ch/board/44173/
https://kaikai.ch/board/44173/
Fuck them!
This general is open to anyone and it's not free from an invasion

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259382
>for foreigners that want to interact and discuss various subjects with the japanese
so, all the dead /int/ faggots?

[Anonymous No.]

minna・・genki¿

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259747
Based mod.

[Anonymous No.]

元気じゃあらぬ

[Anonymous No.]

元気に非ず

[Anonymous No.]

今トイレにいる妹に覗いてて、全部見える
うんこがどんどん出てる
お腹が空いたー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260314
もう勘弁してくれ
お前のドスケベスカトロシスコンロリコン妄想なんて誰も聞きたくねえ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259117
So something that is completely unnecessary is the most important? Or am I missing some epic troll

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260338
welcome to djt if you dont watch out you might find yourself doing actually retarded things thinking its the right thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259305
You can download the full collection off Google Drive from the DJT library.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260330
羨ましいか？

[Anonymous No.]

yo cringe nihongo fucks take 5

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260354
羨ましいというよりめっちゃ引いてる、かな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259305

You can open a folder in Sumatra PDF and that works fine for pngs and jpgs. Even remembers your place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19259927
jh

[Anonymous No.]

喉が渇いて、妹に飲み物に聞いた
妹ね、カップを取って、マンコの下に持ってて、おしっこして、俺にあげた
飲み後に喉がもはや渇くない
あぁ〜　妹だいーすき！

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[Anonymous No.]

>particles may look the same even if they're different
Fuck Tae Kim. Fuck Japanese. There is no way to differentiate nano/no in the sense he describes from the possessive no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260671
Knowing Japanese helps.

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>>19260679
How many hours of reading until simple shit like this is easy to differentiate at a glance? There needs to be light at the end of the tunnel.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260671
そうなの

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260691
Who cares about numbers. Just fucking do it. Or don't, your choice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260691
if its just reading you could prolly read your entire life and still be fucked

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260703
I'm doing it either way but numbers will help decide if the journey sucks ass or only kind of sucks ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260712
fuck numbers try using your gut its what we had before numbers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260712
It only sucks ass if you want it to.

[Anonymous No.]

僕は出来ますになりたい!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260726
>boku
you're not a little boy dude wtf

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>>19260712
and what impact does it have to hear someone else's opinion on that
easy shit becomes intuitive approximately as fast as easy sentences are understandable without thinking about them, which isn't really very long
even if someone did pay enough attention to have an answer, it depends on how hard what they're reading is, too hard or too easy is less productive

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260735
ごめんね
あたしは出来ますになりたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260741
あたしも頑張るぞい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260671
>There is no way to differentiate nano/no in the sense he describes from the possessive no
You're supposed to read TK once, get a reference point, then go back to it while reading. Seeing grammar points out of reading context is never going to make sense.

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>>19260739
>which isn't really very long
A month?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260868
It takes quite a while to truly tell what every piece of grammar means, but the idea of grammar is overrated you start to feel the nihongo and can understand what your reading even though you don't "know" the grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>19260726
>ます
出来ない

[Anonymous No.]

日本語で上手になりたいなら日本語になればよい

[Anonymous No.]

日本語になるってどうすればいい？

[Anonymous No.]

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