Daily Japanese Thread DJT #1946

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide before asking stupid questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>19191661

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よ

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つ

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ゔぁ

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ば

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か

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Question from a beginner. I know kana and my first 70ish kanji. Got to second grade in memrise and now I hate it.
I got penalized for saying "a little, a few" instead of "a few, a little" when asked to describe 少 , and penalized again for saying "many" instead of "many, much" for 多 .
Please tell me I'm correct in dropping this and that I don't actually have to consider the explicit order of english meanings while learning. It seems totally unnecessary.

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How do I change the due number that new cards get in anki? I copied some cards and then deleted them and now the number for any new cards that I add is way off what it should be.

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>>19202862
出来る

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>>19202862
i was sure this was reddit
you know better than this
don't use shitty learning apps, they all do this

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>>19202862
what do you expect anyone to say
why ask a question with an obvious answer
is this reddit

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>>19202875
>>19202876
I was told by /djt/ to use memrise, man. It wasn't in the guide, but by someone in the thread.
Was I pranked on?

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>>19202880
lmao you got memed big time

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>>19202880
that was me sorry bro

[Anonymous No.]

Just realized I don't know Japanese
Wat do?

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>>19202897
Don't not know Japanese.

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How can I stay in Japan in a few years?
I want to learn faster by living there for a while.

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>>19202891
i'm surprised this post doesn't include shaka bose

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>>19202880
>listening to anything this thread says
Deserved it.

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>>19202900
this isn't the travel board
you wont learn faster by living there

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>>19202900
just fly there and overstay your visa

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>>19202908
>you wont learn faster by living there
This really isn't the travel board, it seems.

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>>19202880
read the guide and leave wtf you doin

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Reminder that every minute spent lurking in these shit threads is a minute you could be spending reading or listening.

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>>19202969
this thread still gives decent answers to questions which aren't garbage, but if you're just F5ing I agree

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>>19202913
it's a myth, it's easy to be surrounded by a language and still stay in your native language bubble where it's safe, and believing in the myth is likely to decrease your actual study time under the bullshit belief that "i'll just pick it up for free the easy way"
it's more true for languages that don't have absolute shitloads of media that you can get from anywhere in the world, but the "oh man i'll hear conversations on the street and there will be kanji signs on the roads and i'll have to speak japanese to get by" is absolute bullshit, especially in japan where everyone will just talk to you in english on first sight and if you try to push the conversation into japanese but you suck at japanese they wont let you because it's exhausting to talk to someone who sucks at a language
and if you are good enough to hold a competent conversation, you don't actually have to be in japan for that, but the pitfalls may be less of an issue

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>>19202994
Or you could just get a nip gf and have her put up with your shitty language 'til you learn.

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>>19203032
let's not get ahead of ourselves now
still isn't a level of exposure significantly above what you can get without moving to japan

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>>19203032
what you're saying is we need a daily dating japanese women thread

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>>19203045
Desperately.

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you are all homosexual faggots go sudoku and then learn chinese like a truly civilised human being

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>>19203055

I think you mean Korean, now that Kim and Trump are besties.

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>>19203060
>Korean
vomited a little

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https://translate.google.de/#ja/en/198%E4%B8%87%E5%86%86
Is google retarded? (Or is it me who is retarded)
Why is it telling me 198万円 is 198 million yen?

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>>19203187
Nigger its 10k multiplied by 198

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>>19203187
Google is retarded
it's just statistical pattern translation now not even rule based pattern translation

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>>19203187
you're retarded for using google

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>>19201737
If it's standard Japanese, they are a contraction of るわ -> ら.
If it's Aomori dialect, they are something like the present perfect tense.

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In terms of what Krashen refers to as "comprehensible input", what is the best listening material? Anime?

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>>19203187
>>19203230

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>>19202870
Get some medication and inconsequential shit like this stops being a problem.

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>>19203457
>what is the best listening material?
whatever you're interested in that is natural japanese from natives

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>>19202870
Anki is Python, so in some 20 lines of crappy code you can write a "plugin" that fixes it.

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>>19202870
In the card browser, use Edit > Reposition or Edit > Reschedule (I can't remember which... maybe it's both).

You might also need to do Tools > Check Database afterwards.

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よる

ねるの

なんじ？

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>>19203507
Nintendoショーケースはあと5時間から深夜に2時かな？

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夜は
妹挑む時
だ

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>>19203522
なにしてんの

>>19203519
ＷＫＲＮ

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>>19202862
Memrise is not a very good app for learning Japanese. I've used it for too long and literally when I switched to Anki did I actually start mem(o)rizing things. I think it may be useful if you're planning a trip and just want to learn some stock phrases to use in the restaurants but that's not learning a language. Maybe it's also good for other languages, I dunno.

It's bizarre how Memrise got such amazing reviews from so many people when it's really so shit. It boasts that it was chosen as the best app of 2017 or something and I really can't see why. Not even the little level up system that's meant to keep people addicted worked when I was still using it since the amount of experience you need to level up the little mascot thing increases exponentially - like, you're playing for several months to get your guy to level 10, and then you need to get the same amount of exp AGAIN to get him to level 11. Who likes this? Even people who make those shitty freemium Candy Crush games know that you need to reward players every now and then to keep their interest.

At least when you use Anki you can use your own judgment for things that are trivial (like the difference between 'few' and 'little'). And imo the statistics it outputs give you more of a sense of progress.

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ウェイト２５８ポンドって

どのくらい？

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>>19203586
When you start to sound like a reddit copypasta, it's when you should realise there's a need to change something in your life. Memrise is shit, of course, but the better question is why would one consider using shitty mobile apps for learning a language in the first place?

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>>19203615
18.5 stonesくらいだ

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Reminder that you should be doing at least as much listening as you do reading, if not more.

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>>19203626
>stones
It's just "stone", fake Brit.

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>>19203617
Because learning on the go is attractive for many people? Convenience is the primary reason, and smartphones are ideal for learning on the go. Not everyone knows about Anki, and I think that very often people just enter something like 'language app' or 'learn Japanese' or whatever in the Google Play search bar and pick whatever got the best reviews. After all, if so many people have downloaded it and given it praise, it has to be good, right?

Not sure how you linked that post to reddit, maybe you've developed the mental reflex to call everything you don't like 'reddit'. Maybe you need to change something in your life instead of blaming all your problems on a website you hate.

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>>19203743
I've almost dropped reading at this point.

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>>19203757
"reddit" refers to the post style, senpai.
>I think that very often people just enter something like 'language app' or 'learn Japanese' or whatever in the Google Play search bar and pick whatever got the best reviews
Yes. And this behaviour should be frowned upon and ridiculed as much as possible.

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>Yakuza games coming to PC
I wonder if they can be hooked

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>>19203830
にったかな

あんなごくどういない

あたまてきに

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>>19203830
>denuvo
hard pass

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>>19203830
I want to start reading VNs is there a hooking guide somewhere?

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>>19203963
In the fucking guide

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I just leveled up watching Terrace House

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>>19203963
Read the OP fucking idiot.

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>>19203965
>>19203990
my bad friends, missed it while skimming the guide.

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>>19203234
Thanks, that makes the most sense. It was too widespread to be dialectical, and るわ fits perfectly in every context I've seen it.

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i just leveled up watching naurto

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I thought you didn't like Naruto, jamal.

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why is grammar so fucking hard lads, I feel such a fucking brainlet.

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everyone likes naurto

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I LIEK NAURTO

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rip mokuroku

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>>19204119
Because you didn't watch enough raw anime beforehand.

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>>19204148
fug

when did it die?

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>>19204119
10000 hours of subbed anime or your gay

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>>19204119
watch more manga

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only after 10000 hours of subbed anime will you be able to begin tackling real ninja anime raw dog

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMCrPFY8bY4

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>>19202900
for "a while" it means that you only will able to get an average n5 level: greetings and directions maybe the days of the week

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>>19204148
Fuck.

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whats mokuroku

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>>19203757

Apps are really good for practice, but attempting to learn from them will always be a bad idea. There's just no way to comfortably convey an entire lesson on a mobile phone.

The only one I use anymore is the Anki app, because it's just flashcards. Everything else is a grammar book, Japanese TV, and internet resources. Tried Lingodeer for a bit. It's a decent start, but too slow and doesn't review enough for my liking.

There isn't a magical pill app that has everything and the quicker people realize that the quicker they can make real progress.

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>>19204355
Yeah, obviously everyone who's read the guides in this thread knows this. There's no resource that will do everything for you but there's still a distinction between apps that can be helpful (like Anki) and those that will just waste your time (like Memrise). What's confusing to me is why a shit app like Memrise is still so popular and has such great reviews.

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>>19204400
I used memrise for hiragana/katakana months ago. it has uses.

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Back when I had to learn the ganas, all I had was a printout and a fucking notebook.

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Tell us more war stories from your time grandpa

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>>19204445
You're probably older than me.

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Getting this error trying to import anything from Rikaisama, not sure why. Has anyone else or is it just me?

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>>19204454
It's right there dude, index outta range. Ya dun goofed.

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Maybe this is a dumb question, but I can't find an answer anywhere.
Referring to someone else, what does the -to part of 早く起きないと mean?
It's not in the conjugation of okiru nor is it the particle to so what is it?

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>>19204454
Anki's quality of programming is crap, what else is new.

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>>19204355
No reading and listening is the only practice that is worth your time.

Is this a reddit post as those people love wasting time and being centrists.

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>>19204477
looks like ないと(いけない)

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>>19204486
Oh, looks like it is.
It wasn't on the conjugation site I was using, my bad.

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>>19204477
As for not hurrying up and waking up, yabai.

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>>19204454
Fixed it, just had to follow the instructions at https://superuser.com/questions/911740/rikaisama-to-anki-real-time-import-error-current-note-type-does-not-contain-th.. (You re-choose the note type even if it's already selected.)

Not sure why it broke randomly but whatever, it's abandonware so I can't complain.

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>>19204491
>conjugation site I was using
Have you seen any "conjugation sites" in the guide? No you didn't. Why were there no conjugation sites in the guide? Because they are utter and irredeemable shit, just like mobile applications. What does the guide have on conjugations? It has Tae Kim. If you have read Tae Kim you wouldn't need to bother us with the most basic questions about Japanese grammar, since Tae Kim explains it. This shit, this is why you read the guide first.

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>>19204491
You should keep this structure in mind. Japanese like to omit the obvious.

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>>19204505
Fair enough, my bad.
It's been a while since I read Tae kim, and I was trying to botch it by just reading a manga with a dictionary.

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>>19204517
Starting reading without basic grammar is just a meme. Well maybe it might work but it didn't for me. Atleast skim taekim.

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>>19204520
I don't know how people can read/listen without at least the basics chapter of TK

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>>19204520
Oh, yeah, I read through it a couple times, it's just been a year or so since I last did it, so my memory's a tad hazy.
I'll skim through it again when I get more free time, but I just wanna read and semi-understand new raws right now.

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how long have you been "learning" and how much of this do you understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVO6L0PSEWU

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>>19204483

You can get news and radio apps to practice with. I was pointing out flaws in those education all in one things.

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>>19203500
Checking the database worked, thank you.

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>>19204665
That's chinese though.

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>>19204745
its not

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>>19204755
It literally says in the title shaka bose, that's chinese. Trust me, I've studied 中國文 for over 4 years.

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dont get mad because the title is where your understanding ends

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>>19204769
holy shit you're right, a nippongo rapper would never use chinese in his name, it's not like they're such big china lovers that they stole their writing system

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>>19205025
You're actually retarded.

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Remainder :
You are actually arguing with jamal

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>>19205034
says the dude who studied chuunese for 4 years and can't distinguish it from japanese because he saw 4 characters

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youre not arguing with me get your booger mans straight

i dont argue i slay

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>>19205046
Not the person you were initially responding to dude. I mean yeah the song does indeed seem to at least contain Japanese but
>it's not like they're such big china lovers that they stole their writing system
is incredibly retarded.

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btw minna genki?

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boku sakubi

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>>19205051
it was as intelligent as the claim that the song is chinese because the dude's rapper pseudonym is chinese, so i accomplished my goal

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>>19205056
sakubi is an あたし though
>>19205058
nice meme

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Actually the artist's name isn't even chinese so

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dont tell them that

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but I thought you said you were here to educate not to troll

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>>19205105
it's cool the logic already died before the substance

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>>19205108
schools in session right now dont disrupt the classroom

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Can someautism in this thread recommend me a good time tracking application?

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>>19205261
A clock

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Any good browser addon for reading epubs that will work both with Japanese and yomichan?
Pic semi related (shit that don't work with either).

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>>19205273
The amusing part is that it is Chink made and still goes full retard when the epub tells it to use vertical text.

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>>19205267
That's what I'm using right now, but it's cumbersome for tracking in stages of for more than one activity at a time.

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Best place for buying LNs? Rakuten seems to give higher quality images than Amazon, but it's annoying to use. Anything better out there or not really?

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>>19205286
I hope you're not seriously thinking about buying non physical books

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>>19205286
Oh, and only serious answers, no bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>learning and practicing Japanese for seven (7) years
>passed N1 two years ago
>still a few light-years away from native level
>learning German for a few weeks
>able to read basic content and understand simple sentences easily
Learning Japanese is a meme worse than greentexting, don't fall for it.

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>>19205300
You don't know Japanese.

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>>19205300
have you considered actually learning japanese

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>>19205300
That may be true, but, other than Goethe, does Germany have any wordsmiths on the same level as Mareni or Tanaka Romeo? Of course not, so what's the point in learning it?

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>>19205318

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I've been learning Japanese for several months now and as far as pronunciation goes I've got a decent understanding but I just can't figure out the difference between さ,す,せ,そ and ざ,ず,ぜ,ぞ.
Googling this has proven surprisingly hard and any tutorial or explanation I could find didn't help. In video tutorials they sound exactly the same to me and the best explanation I could find was that [s] is an unvoiced sound while [z] is a voiced one which really doesn't help me.

I'm confused why this isn't a more common pronunciation question in the way the [r] sound is. But maybe English speakers pick up on this naturally and I as a German speaker don't.

Anyway, I would really appreciate a clear and easy answer. Hope this question is okay for the thread. Thanks.

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この部屋から出ていか なきゃいけなくなるなんて……
>なきゃ
>いけなく
Is this double must, is it to emphasize?

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>>19205343
didn't even try to search it up but I'm betting this one is a reddit post

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>>19205357
this one too

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>>19205364
It's not but thanks for killing my chances of getting a reply.

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>>19205372
You're welcome, reddit boy

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>>19205300
Таke notes, this is how you reformat a post from reddit.

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>Four (4) lessons with italki teacher
>just about finishing genki chapter 1
like I appreciate that he is doing every exercise and putting his heart into it but aren't we going a bit slow?

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>>19205357
なきゃ is short for なければ often you'll just read なきゃ because the rest is implied

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>>19205387
there's no point in reposting reddit in the first place if you're gonna put that much effort into it

[Anonymous No.]

im the dad and djt is the baby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ba1AU1VXSRw#t=66

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>>19205419
Phones and idle crowd gave me cancer.

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I see what you were saying about memrise. I switched to Anki and without multiple choice I'm struggling. Reading numbers especially feels like I'm back on square one, since things have multiple readings.
Still don't know the rhyme or reason why , as example, 四 is sometimes よん and sometimes し

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>>19205390
why are you trying to learn to speak before you've been studying for at least a year

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>>19205343
I see. Both /s/ and /z/ in southern Germany are voiceless, and they sound the same to you. In that case, this must be a common issue for Germans from the south part, and therefore there must be explanation about [s] and [z] written in German for Japanese learners. Search it in German.

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>>19205495
This is a reddit repost.

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>>19205510
I'm afraid it isn't.

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>>19205510
It actually isn't, dumbass. I'm >>19202862 and I switched programs and now see why multiple choice is harmful. It only helped me with recognition, not recall.

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>>19205516
Sorry, it just looked so dumb that I automatically assumed it was reddit. Try making higher quality posts next time.

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>>19205516
Did you get memed into recall cards by the way? God, your posts must be preserved in the guide as an example of how not to do.

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>>19202829
this is a reddit post

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>>19205540
I am a reddit post

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>>19205525
No. I was just running the basic memrise course over the past week or so when not busy.
>>19205521
I have to wonder what went wrong in the history of this site that people call anything reddit if it isn't a block of greentext.

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>>19205552
if we were going on appearance alone, it's not reddit because it's not a wall of text. however, reddit posts can be summarized or turned into greentext, as surprising as that is, so people generally go off of how stupid the content of the post is.
good luck by the way, and consider reading more, memes aside. anki is a better flash card program, but it's still flash cards, and flash cards aren't learning, they are supplement.

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>>19205598
Right, I get that I have to augment the learning and that it'll take quite a while to get anywhere.
8 years ago I attempted to learn Suomi but ultimately dropped it from a lack of resources. That isn't an issue here. I'm in it for the challenge, and to replace less productive hobbies.

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大丈夫 is so aesthetically pleasing.

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>>19205652
sure is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yhEZ-lLtIU

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>>19205652
no they just annoy me especially the "heaven" and "sapling" kanji wtf were the japanese thinking.

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Where do you find raw manga?

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

１３日だよ

きょうもいちにちがんばるぞい

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AB of course

[Anonymous No.]

>no they just annoy me especially the "heaven" and "sapling" kanji wtf were the japanese thinking.

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>>19205390
because i have the attention span of 2 years old so unless i have someone on top of me i can't bring my self to study properly. I'm just not as good as other people when it comes to language learning.

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みんな元気?

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>>19205652

大 is satisfying every time I see it prefixing another word.

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>>19205675
but everyone learns language the same

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>>19205660
what are you talking about

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>>19205678
ﾊｲｹﾞﾝｷﾃﾞｽｱﾘｶﾞﾄｰ

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>>19205678
当然だ

キミこそどうなんだ

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>>19205681
heisig's keywords for two similar-looking kanji are sapling and heaven and he even conflates them several times

[Anonymous No.]

ﾉｯﾄﾃﾞｨｰｽｼｯﾄｱｹﾞﾝ

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>>19205678

いいえ、悪い天気

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>>19205680
No

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>>19205694
yea

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>>19205686
良いです
>>19205693
心配ない友くん

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>>19205687
neither them appear in 大丈夫
also their existence is china's fault innit

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>>19205680
not everyone has the same discipline / self control / study habits.
an A student who is used to studying will probably do better than a guy who cruise through classes with Cs and Ds

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>>19205704

私は外に竜巻があると思う

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>>19205712
what does this have to do with learning language

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>>19205693
悪い天気もいい天気

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>>19205713
それは酷いです

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205713
お前は死を恐れないのか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205678
死ね黒人

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>>19205712
I used to be a B tops student and I'm doing fine

[Anonymous No.]

ニュースみたよ

あめりか

だまされるまえにだませるかな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205712
>not everyone has the same discipline / self control / study habits.
and yet everyone is in control of those habits, saying you don't have them is an excuse, do something about it
also since reading is the most important thing and reading is fun if you like japanese media in the first place it doesn't seem very comparable to student shit

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>>19205678
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuVm6T__qlo

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>>19205730
アメリカなんて爆発すればいいさ

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>>19205732
>and yet everyone is in control of those habits
wrong. world is deterministic.

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>>19205730
テレビニュースは全部フェイク

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>>19205750
あたしのそんざいは？

[Anonymous No.]

痛い

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205749
even if it is, your choices are determined but they still happened, it's possible that my choice to respond to a shitpost is determined to cause someone to stop being a defeatist shitbag and follow better predetermined choices.
or maybe you're determined to be a shitbag for life, bad roll huh, at least you can't blame yourself.
which is basically saying, you might as well behave as if the world isn't deterministic.

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>>19205785
sure I agree.

[Anonymous No.]

foolish humans cant even see the big picture in the first place and think their actions are some sort of impetus for anything ever lol

[Anonymous No.]

the big picture is i know japanese and you dont lol no lol

[Anonymous No.]

good job

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205806
First, I will tell you about termites.

[Anonymous No.]

first i will tell you about reddit

[Anonymous No.]

まず わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205863
俺もゲイ
俺の彼氏になろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205895
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUviw9YTduY

[Anonymous No.]

got my first mature card friends!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205909
congrats but the only first that matters is consuming your first manga, get on it

[Anonymous No.]

I studied for a month and got sick of flashcards already. Decided to try watching anime on animelon with jp subs. It's painfully slow since I need to pause constantly as I only know a couple of hundred words but I its also more fun than consuming manga. The problem is that now I feel like doing anki reps is a waste of time and I'd better watch something for 1-2hrs instead. Am I shooting myself in the foot by skipping core2k?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205916
>I studied for a month and got sick of flashcards already.
You can't learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205916
>It's painfully slow since I need to pause constantly
this is why i wouldn't recommend subbed anime reading, but you'll be more motivated if it's something you like, so go for it
>The problem is that now I feel like doing anki reps is a waste of time
it's not but it's definitely secondary and you should probably aim to keep it at 30 minutes a day or less, however
>Am I shooting myself in the foot by skipping core2k?
no, core is shit, premade decks are shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205915
congrats but the only first that matters is consuming your first novel, get on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205945
congrats but the only first that matters is consuming your first kamige, get on it

[Anonymous No.]

congrats but the only thing that matters is

[Anonymous No.]

I like this meme

[Anonymous No.]

congrats but the only thing that matters is being able to post this meme in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

おめでとう、でも日本語は出来ない

[Anonymous No.]

congrats but the only thing that matters is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205938
>this is why i wouldn't recommend subbed anime reading
in which way its different than suffering through your first manga for example? At least you don't need to use shitty OCR.

[Anonymous No.]

>浪漫
>ろうまん
>romance
ふーーーーーーーーーん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205938
Whats wrong with core?

[Anonymous No.]

its a waste of time the same reason rtk is except you get even less out of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205986
i find that lots of pausing and sometimes backing up to be more annoying, also i find anime to have a lot of downtime while in manga so i can be on a more focused grind to get better at japanese. i guess it's preference.

[Anonymous No.]

if youre watching anime and stopping at all you are absolutely fucking up and will suck forever till you stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206019
You're all fucking hispter faggots
>hur dur rtk is shit because its popular
>here's a screenshot of plebbitors using it
>hur dur core is shit because its popular and what rebbit uses
How the fuck am I supposed to learn Japanese then?
>inb4 spend hours slowly decoding 10 pages of a manga until I eventually learn
>inb4 moving to Japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206033
stop posting until you watch 10000 hours of subbed anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206012
the word frequency analysis is based on media that you wont be reading so it's wrong
the word frequency analysis considers certain different words equal and thus much more frequent than either of them are, and so it's wrong
probably 25% of the cards aren't things you should even make cards for, like suffixes that you've already learned through other words, or compound words that are completely unsurprising given the individual pieces you've already learned, or この, or でも
meanwhile, 少女 is like #4000 or something
lastly, if you haven't been exposed to a word in actual reading, you can't "know" it, people who do core tend to think they're making more progress than they are

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206033
you can finish core10k and when you try to read your first 10 pages of manga it will still take hours because you didn't actually learn any japanese
better get to it then innit

[Anonymous No.]

Is it common or something for lighthouse to be spelled as 東大?
The dictionary spelling is 灯台 but I keep seeing it as 東大, I can't even find 東大 in jisho or yomichan.
I'm pretty fucking sure they're talking about lighthouses.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206065
dude.....
dude.......
wha... dude........

[Anonymous No.]

>people literally believe that they are learning the language by doing flashcards with dictionary form words without context.
Its a good supplementary but you shouln't spend more time in anki than reading/watching/listening even if you are a complete beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206069
A quick google search just showed how retarded I am. It seems I completely misunderstood the dialog too.
Fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206033
You're underestimating the utility you'll get out of autistically looking up every word in a manga than you get out of context-less core decks (single sentences outside a familiar narrative aren't context).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206076
what mistake did you make? i want to avoid it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206090
he didn't consult googleさん and paid the price for it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206082
yeah this, it sounds dumb because you expect some magical shortcut that doesn't exist, but figuring out the meanings of 10 sentences that use the word is how learning works, recalling the same thing 10 times when prompted by a flashcard is memorization, memorization is not learning even if it does have a little bit of benefit as a supplement

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206056
Explain further. How is it possible that learning words isn't learning Japanese? This doesn't make any sense.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else repeat the most popular advice given here without really knowing if it's right because you haven't done it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206090
I saw トウダイ, looked it up and found 灯台. The dialogue made sense so I went with it.
Then I saw it spelt as 東大 and thought it was some weird alternate spellings since I've heard that manga authors like to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206098
>because you expect some magical shortcut that doesn't exist
Thats EOPs for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206106
you made two mistakes
first, you assumed that memorizing readings and definitions is learning words
learning words is understanding on an instinctive level in what contexts the word is used and what nuance it has
second, you assumed that knowing all of the words in a sentence means you understand the sentence
language isn't that simple

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206113
Actually it was トーダイ but it doesn't really matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206120
while I agree that doing strictly core is bad, saying core is not useful is just retarded.
here is what a proper core schedule should look like
>do core reps daily ~1 hour
>text book / grammar studies ~ 1 hour
>if you are at least 2-3 months in you can start adding in media hours such as manga and what not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19204517
>>19206056
You seem to be confused. Manga is not reading.

>>19206033
You're not confused you're just really dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206132
>2-3 months in you can start adding in media
not reading for 3 months is retarded. You'll still need to look up everything and regret that you haven't started earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206132
how long have you been trying your recommended schedule
core is not going to be teaching you the most useful words for you to currently learn in order to make more efficient use of your reading time
if you want to do 500 words of core before you start reading, whatever, if you do more than 1k it's questionable, more than 2k is a mistake
what is "grammar studies", you read through tae kim without practice over a period of a couple of weeks and then you read and refer to a grammar reference when you are confused, you don't regularly spend an hour on a textbook, that's what you do in a class that is designed to get you exchanging broken introductions and talking about the weather with classmates asap so that they can tell the education board "yeah they can speak that's what we're supposed to do right"
2-3 months before you read manga is ridiculous

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206120
Thats just plain retarded. You learn the words before you learn nuance through exposure. There are many words I know the definition of in English but only learned the nuance of after hearing repeated use of that word.
I understand what you are saying but how am I supposed to learn the subtle differences of eccentric and bizarre if I don't know what eccentric means in the first place?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206151
This was already discussed with the 3000 cards before reading guy.
Manga isn't reading by the way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206156
i didn't know what eccentric meant before i learned how it was used
if anything, learning the proper definition after learning how its used is more natural

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGX7kfoptaM#t=54

[Anonymous No.]

自殺

[Anonymous No.]

If the epub to html anon is lurking, I have something for you to convert: https://mega.nz/#!S4UxQSoB!cPLTu5jkWP76fBK5-iY-Q--8b5zlDDgaNCYu_vaYYko Could you also share your custom script?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206156
>You learn the words before you learn nuance through exposure.
Hasn't been my experience for the vast majority of words I know. It's closer to this anon's experience:
>>19206165
I just see a word in a particular context and I infer "Ah, it probably means X", and through repeated exposure my inference is either proven correct or seems off and gets slightly changed. Later I look up its literal definition (which can sometimes even be misleading as dictionaries aren't always up to date on definitions though more often than not they're correct).

[Anonymous No.]

If you don't really understand the word and how its used, anki won't help you remember it either.
Supermemo was clear about that years ago.

You're downplaying the effect of SRS and hyping up the effect of reading for no reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205714
Unless you are terminally retarded or an autistic savant, learning shit comes down to discipling yourself to just do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>woke up at 9:45pm
>two hours to find 20 words and review 300 words

[Anonymous No.]

10000 hours of anime subbed en espanol or your el maricon cabron

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206381
you stayed up until at least noon and you didn't do anki again? your fault

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206381
>not doing your reps at exactly 12:01 AM so you can review forgotten cards the next day

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206368
i was intending to downplay the effect of srs before reading or on words from a premade deck that you didn't encounter through reading. srs is secondary but i never intended to say it's useless. but it's not learning, it's memorization, and you need to do your learning elsewhere for it to be effective.

[Anonymous No.]

in other words just

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206113
>>19206128
I know what it is just from watching animu, but how the fuck is it possible JMDICT doesn't have it?

[Anonymous No.]

purely on efficiency 10000 hours of subbed anime = 1000 hours of raw.

If you are already learning the language don't fall for the subbed anime meme.

[Anonymous No.]

10000 hours of comprehensible input is equal to 1000 hours of incomprehensible input you heard it here first another groundbreaking discovery made by the crack team at the djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206654
umm English subs are not comprehensible input.

Also if you are actually learning the language through reading simultaneously it is not completely incomprehensible.

Finally can you provide one example of someone who learned Japanese through subbed anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206640
efficiency of subbed vs raw cannot be quantified in general
if the content is so far above your level that you have to put in a lot of work to understand subs, raw is a complete fucking waste of time and at least subs have some benefit
if subs are getting easy for you, raw is probably more efficient
as for why you would jump into anime when you can't understand sentences even when they are written out for you, that's a question i can't answer
point is, you don't learn a language efficiently from osmosis of speech you cannot grasp in the slightest, just like you don't learn a language from staring at written text without being able to figure out how it is read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206667
>English subs
only a complete fucking moron would discuss english subs vs raw as if there is no third option
do you think that subbed inherently implies translated

[Anonymous No.]

10000 hours of thrusting your chinchin inside of a jp manko > *

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206667
>provide one example of someone who learned Japanese through subbed anime
I learnt Japanese from English subbed anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206680
I am talking about the guy in this thread who constantly says 10000 hours of english subbed anime is a pre req

[Anonymous No.]

congrats but the only thing that matters is

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMELtsHiSs#t=71

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206699
You mean the guy who stole the Finnish method and has been trying to pass it off as his own idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206699
i thought you wanted someone who learned it only through anime nothin about this pre req shit

as a pre req to then go on and be able to do great things its not even a question and ill let my little homies ride on you

>>19206706
i didnt specifically or intentionally take someones idea and i dont care who else said it im here now to tell you its the gospel and you best heed it or youll never understand shaka bose

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206667
i learned japanese through autotranslate tools

[Anonymous No.]

Don't quote my posts, thief.

[Anonymous No.]

I want to read but my VN left off at a sex scene and now I'm at my parents house again and they keep bursting into my room for X and Y reason and どうしよう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206737
Why aren't you reading the all-ages version or, if there isn't one, ctrl-ing through the h-scenes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206746
Because there's valuable reading practice to be found in the writers description of the act. The scenes aren't all just おかしくなっちゃうぅぅ like people like to parrot they are.

[Anonymous No.]

わたしは日本人として生まれてきただけで幸運だわ

子供の頃からナルトというテレビアニメよく見ました

[Anonymous No.]

I spend about 3 hours a day driving, how can I use this time for learning? Is there anything better I can do besides just listening to podcasts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206768
Put anime on your phone and watch it while driving

[Anonymous No.]

or just stop driving and watch anime 69 hours a day

[Anonymous No.]

is there a site to watch anime like kissanime where there is either no subs or subs not in english?

I hate downloading shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206640
I watch subbed anime for enjoyment, not learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206781
too bad youre still learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206782
A side effect I'm willing to accept.

[Anonymous No.]

Try not to learn too much though lol. The human brain can only store about 2 GBs worth of data and 1.7 GBs of that is the OS

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206746
Because he isn't gay?

[Anonymous No.]

how long until I remember 環境 and 静観
I either mix them up or forget overall

I remember せいかん is I remember what かんきょう is but the kanji are fucking stupid these two leeches are the worst

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206768
stop learning japanese and get a better/closer job

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206818
do you know what each individual kanji means?

if one of the kanji is unclear, learn other words containing it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206833
But real Japanese people commute for hours. It's essential part of life if you want to awaken your 大和魂

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206778
dunno about a site that doesn't try to force a "learning" interface on you but animelon is all the rage with the kids streaming japanese subbed anime these days and i assume you can turn off the japanese subs and all four styles of dekinai subs
but will you ever be dekiru if you don't rip audio and learn in your sleep
that was a joke

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206146
You seem to be confused. I never said manga was reading though, and the second quote isn't me.
I'm just trying to read a raw before it gets translated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206876
I am not confused. I was talking to both of you when I said "you." That "you" meant "both of you."
You said "reading a manga" which implies that "you"(anyone) can "read" manga, which is in fact not possible, so I took it upon myself to inform you so you no longer have such a misconception.

[Anonymous No.]

consider not responding to worthless shitposts so that worthless shitposters get bored, regardless of any grains of truth that may exist in their forced memes

[Anonymous No.]

俺が痔を病します

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206205
Cool. [蝸牛くも] ゴブリンスレイヤー 02:
https://mega.nz/#!8QZSzZBb!pv8Yjb7F1jA9qfJwg2uJFfAlATNUNoUbsjZ7xO-WpfE

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206778
>I hate downloading shit.
Why? hdd space is shit af

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206951
cheap af*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202829
>think I should start reading after improving vocab + kanji
>studied Anki exclusively for 4 months
>tried to read something today

Holy shit why is everything in hiragana. The only place where I can read without trying to figure out what the hiragana means is on the easy NHK news site

[Anonymous No.]

Core decks should be taken out of the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206953
space is not the problem. I just dont like having to wait to watch something, especially if I dislike it after one episode and want to watch something else.

I sucked it up and downloaded oreimo because i could not find it online.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206974
Congrats on starting to learn Japanese today. Make sure you don't stop reading!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206983
>can't wait 3 minutes for an episode to download
Just use those 3 minutes to take your pills for autism

[Anonymous No.]

I just don't understand how you can be such a retard that waiting a couple minutes to download the first episode is a big deal to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206995
There's 4chan "autsim" and then there's real autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206995
because he's underage

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206986
>>19206995
Well I think I would want to watch the whole show so it takes more like 30 minutes to download season 1 and 2

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207004
Set the first episode to maximum priority. It will download first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207004
With torrents you can select which episode you want to download, as well as give different priorities to each file. I don't get it. This is so easy to look up. How are you so fucking dumb.

[Anonymous No.]

have you heard of irc? its an epic and for the win chat program where you can download anime from fserve bots and heres the epic ownage kicker you can watch the episode of anime while its downloading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207014
xdcc is terrible technology though. torrents are objectively superior. also modern torrent clients can be configured to download certain files sequentially too.

[Anonymous No.]

how is xdcc bad when you can literally start the download and play the file in your media player

its what that guy wants

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207018
with torrents i can also just start the download and play the file in my media player

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207011
>This is so easy to look up.
dumb and lazy go hand in hand

[Anonymous No.]

If you can't tell whether or not you're going to like an anime with 99% accuracy just by looking at some preview images then you're obviously underage and need to go watch 10000 hours and then come back and whine about problems that don't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207023
congrats but all that matters is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aGOpjqAW3M

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207025
if you can just look at some preview images and tell with 99% accuracy whether or not you're going to like an anime then you obviously have no standards and your enjoyment of anime is entirely based upon the genre and/or the art style

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207036
thanks for the hour of listening practice this should help my pronunciation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207036
>>19207053
Don't samefag, it's shameless.

[Anonymous No.]

you cant call same fag like i can

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207056
i'm not him i just have the same iq, take your meds it's shameless

[Anonymous No.]

>Takes Japanese class in Uni
>99% of the class is hafus
>Be the only White boy
Uh...shouldn't it be the other way around? Shouldn't they already know their shit?

[Anonymous No.]

nice racial profiling

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207080
It's not really profiling. You don't think it's odd at all?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207075
they're doing it for the easy credits

you're doing it because your gay

[Anonymous No.]

^ fuckin this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207088
I thought that too but they don't seem to know shit. I know more than some of them. Unless they;re acting retarded because the uni has a rule against native speakers or some shit.

[Anonymous No.]

where do you live are you like from somewhere non asian getting a huge culture shock when you find that theres hundreds even thousands of azns who dont know a azn language lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207088
from the stories i've heard, they're doing it because they don't know their own language and that's embarrassing, they'll still suck at the language just as much as the dekinai who think that a language class is an alternative to self-study

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207103
>are you like from somewhere non asian getting a huge culture shock
Yes. I have never ever seen that man Asians in one place before the ones I've met before were usually fluent already so it's weird to see so many not speaking it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207107
I think taking it as a class is a great way to learn. Just for the kickstart because some people need someone telling you "YOU HAVE TO KNOW X BY Y" for them to do it. Otherwise you have faggots just "studying" for years and never making progress.

[Anonymous No.]

oh shit I have to know all hiragana by next month better wear my はちまき

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207121
i don't disagree with that idea in general, but in (most) language classes i think that they they kickstart you into focusing on the wrong shit, and the pace is bad
but if it leads to you actually pushing yourself to improve, whatever works is good

[Anonymous No.]

After being here for a while why are anons so much more helpful here than on /r/LearnJapanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207112
this is basically you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEo87oaQXZY#t=34

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207147
reddit is where people go looking for a shortcut that they can buy, a curated challenge-free sequence of resources to "fluency" without ever needing to go near the deep end, that's why nukemarine is their savior, because he's spent more time designing shortcuts than he has learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

but his shortcuts in the rat maze never get you to that epic cheese

[Anonymous No.]

why does nukemarine annoy me

[Anonymous No.]

y do ppl not reply directly here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207230
You can take the horse to the water but you cant make nukemarine stop wasting his time pretending he knows how to teach

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone check my translation? Thanks
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10011463541000/k10011463541000.html

宇宙飛行士の金井宣茂さんが、日本の時間の三日、宇宙船に乗って地球に帰ってきました。
Astronaut Kanai Norishige took a spaceship back to earth on the 3rd (japan time).
カザフスタンに着いた金井さんは、宇宙船から出ると、笑って手を振りました。
Kanai-san, who arrived in Kazakhstan, smiled and waved his hands after leaving the spaceship.
金井さんは、去年１２月から国際宇宙ステーションで仕事をしていました。
Kanai-san worked on the ISS since december last year.
医師をしていた金井さんは、体の変化や新しい薬などの実験をしました。
Kanai-sai si a physician who was experimenting with drugs that causes changes to the human body.
国際宇宙ステーションから出て宇宙で作業もしました。
[I don't understand this part...]
金井さんは「これからたくさんの人が宇宙に行く時代になると思います。私はみなさんより先に宇宙に行くことができて幸せです」と話しています。
Kanai-san said "I think we are in an era where many people will go to space. I wish everyone luck for further space exploration"

[Anonymous No.]

no offense but the i dont understand this part part popped out at me and it just affirmed that the whole post is not worth anyones time

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207274
why are you translating
come up with the best understanding you can without attempting to translate entire sentences as if japanese grammar has a direct english equivalent, ask if you think you understand something but you think it's possible you might be way off, and give up if you've you're not getting anywhere with a sentence
you're trying to let japanese make you think of concrete ideas and events, not let japanese make you think of english grammar, the time you spent doing this was not more productive than the core act of reading the article and checking jisho or google a couple of times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207274
>experimenting with drugs that causes changes to the human body.
や is listing two separate things his experiments concerned.
>[I don't understand this part...]
He went outside the station.
> I wish everyone luck for further space exploration
He's happy he got to go to space before mina-san.
Now go read some compelling content instead of this lame shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207311
Because English is a language that others can understand. I could do what you said and try to understand it without translating, but I'm not sure what I'm comprehending is right. So when I ask for confirmation regarding my understanding, I can only use English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207348
What do you recommend tho.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207354
Nanairo Reincarnation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207348
Thanks m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207354
with you ～みつめていたい～

[Anonymous No.]

>Memorize Kana
>Memorize writing
vs
>Doing both at the same time

[Anonymous No.]

Why the frick does custom study take the cards away from the actual deck? I started one because I was feeling like doing some extra reviews and didn't finish it and just forgot about it, after like 2 weeks I noticed some cards were missing so I checked the card browser and there were 43 cards showing up as "filtered" in the custom study deck, I'm gonna get fucked in the ass now because I pretty much have 60 new cards today..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207398
just because anki is the best we have doesn't mean it isn't a piece of shit
this is true for many tools, learn this lesson well

[Anonymous No.]

its not the tool
its the toolee
but if the toolee is also a tool
then what does that make the tool?
like a, tooool or something
lol

[Anonymous No.]

insightful
post more rap instead of trying to communicate with the adults

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207274
There's a reddit for this friendo

https://www.reddit.com/r/NHKEasyNews/comments/8ofed1/06042018_宇宙飛行士の金井さんが６か月の仕事が終わって地球に帰る/

[Anonymous No.]

It took me 9 months before my brain was ready to fully understand and remember everything in The Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

おなかすいた

たまごたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207558
9 months of reading or 9 months of reading tae kim

[Anonymous No.]

9 months of holding tae kim's baby in my stomach

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207617
おめでとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207565
目玉焼きか炒り卵か

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207674
それともお兄ちゃんの生卵

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207674
おんたま

おんたまはせいぎ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207674
オーバーイージー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207690
なにそれ

はじめてききました

おいしいですか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207674
親子丼をちょうだい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202829
>a full week or more behind on kanji writing practice
Fuck me, how do I get back into it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207797
don't, read instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207797
accept that you're going to have a lot of lapses and just plow through it

or drop writing because its a meme

[Anonymous No.]

>writing

[Anonymous No.]

>筆跡

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207691
ゴミ
作ってる人発達障害のイメージ

[Anonymous No.]

How do I memorize roumaji for certain words. For e.g.:
Soccer: サッカー
guitar: ギター
pocket: ポケット
how do I know when to stretch the sound and when to insert double consonants. They all sound the same to me and I doubt anyone will notice it in speech

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207870
あのんはばかだなあ

グーグルせんせいにきいたら

ひろしまやきの

おこのみ

ぬきだった

あれはおいしいとおもう

でもおこのみやきもたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207898
get good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207691
最高です

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207940
ソースは

なにソースですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207898
>how do I know when to stretch the sound and when to insert double consonants
for jukugo you will discover the patterns automatically after you learn enough words/onyomi
for everything else just memorize like you would for english spelling
>They all sound the same to me
see >>19207937
>I doubt anyone will notice it in speech
lol dead wrong faggot

[Anonymous No.]

a lot of popular western sites dont really support furigana do they
not properly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207940
>>19207960
あたしのすきなのは

これ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207985
冒涜ですね

やっぱり二発では足りなかった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207994
ごはんにおんたまかけて

うなぎタレかけるんだよ

ふ

にほん！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208003
現に吐き気を催しています

嫁にこんなの出されたら即三行半だな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207979
what are you trying to say

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208025
Im just low key whining about lyrics being read however the fuck they want, but Ive since found some better sites for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208036
are you like plugging sentences into web apps to get readings

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208024
ぜったいキレられる

これにほんしょくっていったら

ひみつの

にほんしょくだよ

ほんもの（ねだん２０ばい）

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone work in Japan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208041
no, I just saw some lyrics on a youtube comment section and google music. not the best places

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃんできた

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208107
なんだこれ内訳？
米に200円も払うとかバカじゃねえの

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208141
じゃあうなぎは３８００えんだね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207615
Reading. Oh I also stopped studying for 5 months in the middle... I just "read" a lot of doujin and jacked off a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206986
>>19207004
With sequential download enabled it's 1 second of waiting before you can start watching (provided your Internet speed is bigger than the bitrate, which isn't hard even in fucking Poland).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208232
congrats on attaining enlightenment, good luck on the rest of your journey and not quitting again

[Anonymous No.]

>>19207898
Isn't it kind of obvious if you say the words in English?

Like if you're saying ポケト instead of ポケット it sounds like 'potato' whereas the latter sounds like 'pocket' with an 'o' at the end, which is more accurate.

And people will actually notice since these are not English words spoken by Japanese people, they are loan words, meaning that they're Japanese words with an English origin. You can't just pronounce them however you like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206049
if there are words in core2k that you won't be needing then you're only "reading" CGDCT manga and you don't know japanese

inb4 b-but there's ビデオレコーダー, just delete the damn card

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208268
えいごはつおんすると

なにえいごはつおんしちゃってるのこいつって

めされる

[Anonymous No.]

Hiragana words are truly the final boss huh.

[Anonymous No.]

Have you done your daily Naruto reps?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208357
Try playing the zelda densetsu 1, everything is ｺﾝﾅﾌｳﾆ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208426
They use half-width katakana instead of full-width hiragana or at least full-width katakana?
What the hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208494
Well it ain't half-width, but I still got cancer.

[Anonymous No.]

why do people always rec yotsuba for a first read? wouldn't a 4-koma be easier since they have short sentences usually?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208536
Because you want something that's slightly more challenging.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208536
There is also the yotsuba pack, which provides the necessary vocab in a nice manner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208426
I mean stuff like こつこつ and ほっこり
I can't attach a meaning to them right away because there's no kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19206768
You could technically set the anki cards to play audio first. But being able to chose the options is going to be hard. Just an idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19208563
どうやっておぼえるの？

にほんじんからしても

しゅるいおおいのに

[Anonymous No.]

どうも皆さん！
名前は透足立！
例の有名な刑事さんです。
今日の問題が…そうです。ビッチですね。
個人的にはビッチが大好きです。
それで、よろしく。

[Anonymous No.]

かたかなのビッチと

えいごのビッチをくらべると

かたかなのビッチは

えいごより

おだやかなひょうげんになってるとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't do anki yesterday and today I'm getting almost all my revisions right. How does that work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209232
You gotta big fat juicy brain dude.

[Anonymous No.]

> finish anki reps yesterday
> was a little late this time so decided to set my new day time to 4:00 so I can always get my reps in
> 85 cards to review
> go to sleep
> wake up
> 115 cards to review

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209302
>complaining about 115 cards
never going to make it.

[Anonymous No.]

This is what I see every morning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209302
85 reviews takes 5 minutes just do it right away next time
and dont put a space after the carrot

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209322

I'm more upset that it reset my day and then added another on top of it.

[Anonymous No.]

100 RTK reviews take me about half an hour to an hour.

[Anonymous No.]

みんなげんき?

[Anonymous No.]

ビッチにいじめられたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209387
元気じゃないよ
知ってるから黙って

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209335
If 輪廻 and karma and all that bullshit is real, you must've done something very bad in your previous life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209401
わたしに命令しないでよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205343
To me
ざ,ず,ぜ,ぞ sound similar to Saar, Susi, See, so
さ,す,せ,そ sound like ßa, ßu, Straße, ßo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19203048
>>19209400
こんな立派なビッチビッチ女に金玉を蹴られるようにはどこ行けばいい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209482
>金玉を蹴られる
おい
ちょっとやり過ぎじゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209473
That's pretty much it. We have the same sounds so I have no idea why it'd be difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209518
>過ぎじゃん
>じゃん
ギャルは幸せ。

[Anonymous No.]

Guys I need help, I'm a dirty ESL and trying to understand tae's grammar guide is impossible for me since I don't know a lick of the english grammar terms. I'm about 500~ words into core and doing fine with that but when it comes to grammar im utterly lost. I'm destined to never make it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209567
You don't need to learn the terminology, just let the nihongo sink in your body from exposure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209567
Watch anime until you understand the grammar without the rules

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209567
You're a fucking dekinai, but not for the reasons you presume.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209567
But Tae Kim has no grammar terms, what are you talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209590
adjective, adverb, clause are not grammar terms?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209699
adjective and adverb are normal words, not jargon

[Anonymous No.]

> in anime she says "あたし"
> in manga it's just 私
Is it simply up to the reader's personal preference how to read 私 in informal situations involving females?

[Anonymous No.]

yes its up to how much of an idiot gaijin you really want to be

[Anonymous No.]

What does the を in を核に大きくなって mean? Shouldn't it be が or は instead. Does this mean the act of becoming a major role is forced onto the shadow? I don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209742
30 pages later, "あたし" (said by a different girl) is spelled with hiragana.
Seems so arbitrary. Though, it's not like it matters that much, at least to me, a dumb gaijin. Maybe I should just stop thinking about this kind of trivial bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

well there is a difference between your two pronoun images but youre still putting way too much emphasis on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209763
Something became big with the "shadow" as their core

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209763
tyler kim

を particle section

gamba

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209815
Shouldn't this be を核にして大きくなって then? It seems the sentence is missing a verb right after を核に.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209890
It's になる, with a 大きく slapped in between.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209901
what. nl.

>>19209890
>して
is the verb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209763
>>19209890
ｗｗｗｗｗｗ片腹痛いよ！　クソが！

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209890
Amazing

[Anonymous No.]

Post your handwriting
Here's mine, I'm wondering how fast you can write kanji before it becomes completely unreadable

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209913
>nl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209951
Fucking terrible, are you even following a stroke order?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209963
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209952
typo of no
なる is attaching to 大きく there, 100%, that's the equivalent of になる for い-adjectives

[Anonymous No.]

you know those i guess meme images of like a shonen fantasy kinda character that looks drawn by like a 8 year old with a little bio written on it and everything

thats what your kanjis look like

[Anonymous No.]

the real question is how I still manage to better than you despite that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209976
no bully it's cute
>>19209963
it's obvious they're following stroke order
>>19209951
less writing more reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209963
have you ever seen actual japanese handwriting?

[Anonymous No.]

it is fuckin cute it just evokes a little pain inside for me personally but im not trying to be mean they just strike me as like if little chuck age 8 from butt fuckin buffalo decided to draw china symbols at school

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209951
I can't even write all the hiragana lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209913
The verb is is not in the original sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

so now we all know that jamal's weakspot is handwriting since he gets so riled up when someone posts handwritten japanese

[Anonymous No.]

thats right if you wanna kill me just post as much cute kanji drawings as you can its like holy water on my undead scraggly balls

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210021
that is correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210021
https://streamable.com/wr80w

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209763
Just take a look at the English translation lol no lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210031
>>19210037
Alright I'll just gonna skip this text box and move one then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210052
good luck have fun

[Anonymous No.]

I just realised I know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

could you imagine playing a persona game and having to rely only on the game play to have fun because you cant read the fuckin text lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209951
Nigga I don't practice writing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209793
>30 pages later, "あたし" (said by a different girl) is spelled with hiragana.
In that case, it's natural 私 is read as わたし, but maybe it's just the VA's habit (Tomatsu uses あたし).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209951
映, 隠 and 録 look like shit, otherwise passable. Also you're copying computer fonts which they say is not a good practice (though I do so anyway because fuck it)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210006
My gf writes me all the time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210134
I'm not copying computer fonts

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210140
Epic shitposting m8

When are you going to grow up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210125
The other lesbian also pronounces 私 as あたし

[Anonymous No.]

i guess this kinda shit makes sense from someone whod read sakura tripe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210140
> tfw every time someone posts this picture I can read more of it and I feel that I'm making progress in my knee-hone-go studies

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210183
There's literally nothing but basic kanji and grammar there
What the hell are you doing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210183
If you can't understand my gf's letter you probably haven't even begun studying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209972
The third column proves you aren't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210196
Third column from the left or right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210144
It looked like there were some extra strokes here and there, also you don't write 言 coherently (with the vertical top strike instead of horisontal). Not that it matters. What are you using for an example then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209381
>fell for the RTK meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210200
If you knew stroke order you wouldn't have to ask

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210192
> There's literally nothing but basic kanji and grammar there
Which is exactly what I'm studying right now.
> inb4 if you couldn't read 源氏物語 after two days of studying you're not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19204665
bump

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210201
I used this
obviously I wasn't able to reproduce it perfectly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210224
Are those your bed sheets? Are you a girl? Please be in Florida

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210229
That's not a girl's handwriting. Probably just a gayboi

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210233
Yeah, looking back at the original picture the shadows of his fingers are too fat for a girl.
Also what the fuck is that design on your diary's cover? Anon you really are a ladyboi

[Anonymous No.]

hello ladies of djt i can teach you nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210212
Yeah I just checked 背's stroke order and it's wrong, I'll look out for that next time.
>>19210240
I'm not fat, cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210240
>fingers are too fat
What's a shadow and how does it work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210257
You should brush up on your English while you're at it my ladydude
>>19210260
There's no way his light fixture is more than 5~ feet away

[Anonymous No.]

you guys got issues

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210278
I'm native, fucking stupid cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

>I'm a native so everything I utter is correct

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210290
Could've fooled me

[Anonymous No.]

tundere girl itt ftw

[Anonymous No.]

I find it comical when ESLs try to correct natives' english

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209951

[Anonymous No.]

how is it kore kara if you might jisatsu suru today lol

[Anonymous No.]

i hoppe no one jisatu surus today

[Anonymous No.]

impeccable reading comprehension, now I really wanna jisatsu.

[Anonymous No.]

impeccable writing ability, i to like do nouns lol

[Anonymous No.]

dropped an o lol no lol
time to commit harakiri see you all in eden maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210297
you don't know english

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210331
Good but it looks too rigid and artificial. I see you're using computer fonts as reference based on that さ so that might be the problem. Try being more fluid with your writing, just like if it were english.

[Anonymous No.]

noblesse oblige namaste lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210372
no im a natvie

[Anonymous No.]

im natively ゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210377
Also when talking about conditions you usually say 私は+condition+です
example: 私は自閉症です

[Anonymous No.]

はなすことがあります

わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210331
neat 鬱

[Anonymous No.]

holy crackers

[Anonymous No.]

watch your language nigger

[Anonymous No.]

relax why we sayin the n word

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210224
the fact that it's not on a computer screen doesn't mean it's not a "computer font", or at least what anon actually meant by that
you should copy 教科書体 fonts, there are two or three in the cor with kyoukasho in the name
stroke order font is also acceptable
anything else has alterations that are not used in handwriting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210377
Well, because it really was artificial as fuck.
I usually write faster when I do my reps, so this will probably appear more "natural".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210430
have you considered repentance
the handwriting isn't the worst i've seen but the clusterfuck of disorganization it makes up is

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210444
ニーーガーーーーー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210457
>the clusterfuck of disorganization
That's just E->J reps for the vocabulary deck written one after another desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210461
僕もにがいものが嫌い

[Anonymous No.]

Thoughts on my roadmap to learning Japanese?

N5: JFZ Book 1 + JFZ Book 2

N4: Genki II Textbook, Genki II Workbook + A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar

N3: Tobira, Tobira Grammar, Tobira Kanji + SKM N3 Grammar + SKM N3 Reading

N2: Shin Kanzen Master N2 + TRY! N2

N1: Shin Kanzen Master N1 + TRY! N1

Kanji: Remembering The Kanji + NihongoShark.com Kanji Deck

Other Decks: Genki Grammar & Vocabulary Decks, Tobira Decks, Core 10k

Start reading mangas/news at N3.

Discord for speaking practice.

Anki everyday.

Any suggestions would be appreciated

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210454
>that compass
cute

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210454
the two-stroke さ throws me off too, otherwise nothing stood out to me, you did the top of 第 right unlike one of the previous posts so that's good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210496
Ha! reddit!!

[Anonymous No.]

Thoughts on my roadmap to learning Japanese?

N5~N3: Pick your poison: Tae Kim, Japanese the Manga Way, Sakubi, That random grammar pastebin

N2~N1: Read more.

Kanji: Through vocabulary. KKLC if you're mentally disabled AND already understand spoken Japanese.

Vocabulary: Core (N5~N4 stage only), Reading and Mining (everything else)

Start reading manga right away.

No speaking practice until you're fluent.

Any suggestions would be appreciated

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210496
10000 hours of anime or your gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210518
I recommend not to do core and just mine words from day one. I used core 2k and I regret it as it really is a terrible deck.

Also I recommend that you incorporate some listening into your regime as reading + listening is greater that the some of the parts. Just like 3 eps of raw anime a day should suffice.

I wish you luck on your journey 頑張って

[Anonymous No.]

お金のために俺はコックを吸います

[Anonymous No.]

僕はただでコックを吸います

[Anonymous No.]

I used to mine 60 words in half an hour of reading last week and know its about 40 hooray for progress

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210518
RTK or bust

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209951
When and how do you guys practise writing?
Like do you write the word after you hit enter on your deck? Or do you practise writing not together wit Anki?
And does writing increases your retention?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210779
Yes
No
Maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

Why didn't she pay attention to the pitch accent?
https://my.mixtape.moe/lpzkyd.mp4

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210833
Cuz she's a native.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210833
it's the same pitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210858
No, it's not.
http://www.gavo.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp/ojad/search/index/sortprefix:accent/narabi1:kata_asc/narabi2:accent_asc/narabi3:mola_asc/yure:visible/curve:invisible/details:invisible/limit:20/word:%E8%8A%B1%20%E9%BC%BB

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210833
Why are they saying the Finnish word for faucet over and over again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210873
So the difference is that one has an upstep on な and the other has an upstep on な
now I understand everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210858
Haruka said "だから「鼻」って言ってるでしょ。
According to my retarded textbooks, the other girl should've noticed the pitch fall on "って" and figured out it's 鼻 and not 花.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210876
Don't finnish words always have stress on the first syllable

[Anonymous No.]

What are you guys reading right now?

I am reading Eromanga sensei

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210903
oof

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210882
consider learning pitch accent before embarrassing yourself
>>19210888
yeah, and she didn't, what a light-hearted humorous scenario

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210919
I know one thing about pitch accent and it's that it doesn't matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210927
it turns out you don't know one thing about pitch accent after all

[Anonymous No.]

>I did RTK (I removed a lot of rarer kanji though) and although I never really used Tae Kim's, I did use it for reference on a few occasions and I also added all his example sentences to my sentence deck, but without explanations. I wanted to make sure I knew all the grammar in his guide to give me a good base, but I didn't really want to use English to help me learn. If I didn't understand a grammar or a word then I would try to use a Japanese only dictionary to find an explanation of it, or just google it, first.

What kind of Einstein does it take to acquire grammar, and not to learn it by trying to compare it to English grammar concepts in your mind, and while barely consulting grammar guides like Tae Kim? This guy became pretty fluent in only 1 and a half years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210966
turns out we have a dekinai on our hands.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19205732
>reading is fun

Yep, boy do I sure enjoy stopping and looking up words. All the fun of reading a dictionary with bonus frustration of not fully understanding the story!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210988
Maybe your just reading shit.

just start reading re:zero it is really good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211004
spotted corefag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210988
i mean it's better than relying on core decks.

[Anonymous No.]

What does nip bussy smell like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211007
for>>19210988

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211028
Salty 海苔 and coins

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211019
Yeah, but that doesn't stop it from making me want to pull my hair out.

[Anonymous No.]

I haven't even started trying to read and I already want to quit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210988
>with bonus frustration of not fully understanding the story!
so read something easier, or just power through it. It's not going to get any better until you've read a couple hundred hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211080
Iktf friend, I keep postponing starting and just continue droning on in anki. First I was gonna start at 1000 words but now I'm at 1300 and I'm telling myself I'll start at 1500.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211090
I got to 4,000, don't make that mistake. Don't even consider yourself to be actually learning Japanese until after you've started consuming native content.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210988
>studying should be fun

[Anonymous No.]

>fine with with watching subbed anime and lookling up every word
>can't force myself to grind cards

[Anonymous No.]

If you change your PS4 system language to Japanese then FF7 will be in Japanese for some reason. I wish more games were like this.

>IB emulation

Then you can't get the trophies...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211096
What the fuck? Why did you do that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211107
>not using subs2srs
I don't either but we should shouldn't we.

[Anonymous No.]

>be easily entertained
>piecing together a sentence is fun on its own
>never once cared about having to mine every word
Master race

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211114
Reading was too frustrating at first so I read maybe ten volumes of yotsuba at most up to that point

[Anonymous No.]

>not easily entertained
>piecing together a sentence is slightly rewarding at the end but it still never feels worth the effort
>care about mining everything I don't know but resist the urge because people tell me I shouldn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211116
don't even know what is this. I just use yomichan and sometime save words to my dusty mining deck which I never open.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211090
Can't make it if you started later than 500 words in.

[Anonymous No.]

>can actually read Japanese at a pretty good speed
>bored of current novel but sunk-cost propels me to finish it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211135
It easily allows you to make Anki cards with a screenshot + subtitle from the show you're watching.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211141
Take Matt's advice and never finish a novel you don't feel like finishing. There is a ton of content out there and you may as well learn while having fun. You're not quitting that novel because it's too hard but because it's not fun. Find something else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211147
I am mostly streaming from animelon so it won't work.

By the way are there any better ways to look up subs with yomichan? I remember someone linking a site where you can upload your own video and subs file but I can't find it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211154
But I'm 200 pages in and only have like 100 left.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211147
>with a screenshot + subtitle from the show
And a sound clip.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211154
>Take Matt's advice
Stopped reading there!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211175
What are you reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211175
you can read something you don't like as long as you're still reading
if you put off reading because you don't want to read what you're reading though, you're a dumbass and should just read something you want to read
did i mention read, the point is you should do more of it

[Anonymous No.]

is 4 hours of reading a day good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211197
まほろ駅前多田便利軒
It's not bad by any means but I'm not particularly interested in 行天 going around and being an autistic fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211213
only if you are also watching your raw anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211136
I unironically started before that, It took me a minute to read a 5 second sentence and I skipped every word I didn't know. Good times.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211223
are you proud that you did the right thing or are you in denial thinking that you could have been more efficient

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211182
Jew!

[Anonymous No.]

More and more JRPGs are coming to Steam, which is great, except you can't play any of them with Japanese text. Japan's business practices are so tiring.

[Anonymous No.]

I've got down a decent amount of vocab, but I only have the vaguest understanding of grammar based only in exposure. I want to solidify my understanding of grammar rules and become more confident in them. Should I just read a grammar dictionary or something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211167
https://video.fluentcards.com/

[Anonymous No.]

>decent amount of vocab
>but I only have the vaguest understanding of grammar
>solidify
>confident
>read a grammar dictionary
Yeesh, how reddit can one post get

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211356
not reddit, but I rarely come to these threads

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211329
Yakuza 0 has Japanese subtitles listed as an option

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211342
The next 2 weeks, you will do nothing except read tae-kim again and again.
At the start of every session you will review everything from the beginning again.
At the end of every session, you produce sentences containing the grammar of some random topics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211329
is that so? the couple i've looked at had japanese text, and a lot of the vns i looked at do. it seemed to me to be becoming more common, i hope so at least.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211345
Thanks this looks like a godsend. I wish there was an easy way to customize fonts and get rid of the awful blue background though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211435
i don't use it but the page apparently works offline so you can learn css

[Anonymous No.]

how long have you been "learning" and how much of this do you understand

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clA9oUqlSmM

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211487
That's Chinese.

[Anonymous No.]

thats actually true

[Anonymous No.]

so how much of it do you understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211519
I am Chinese, so I understand everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211500
wtf I speak chinese now

[Anonymous No.]

For passive listening, is something like bilingual news alright or should I just go for something fully japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19209930

[Anonymous No.]

Whoever recommended 火花 to me, I just want to let you know that was one of the worst things I've ever read in my life.

[Anonymous No.]

Then give me a good fuckin nihongo podcast

[Anonymous No.]

good podcast is oxymoron

[Anonymous No.]

Then fuckin give me anything to listen to
Doesn't really matter what it is, as long as there are dozens of hours of it.

[Anonymous No.]

if you suck at listening and at japanese, and you're going to do passive listening, it should at least be something you've actively listened to. learning language through osmosis is a meme.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm going to japan for 3 weeks soon-ish, how do I get out the most of my trip friends?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211716
anime

>>19211739
soapland

[Anonymous No.]

I guess I'll just listen to anime I've watched while out

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211739
援助交際

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211739
Become a high school student.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211739
Talk to strangers on the street. You'll be near fluent by the time you leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211739
Ignore all advice given here.

[Anonymous No.]

Run tae kim through text to speech for epic passive learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211131
get diagnosed with ADHD

[Anonymous No.]

>>19210988
Linguistic literature is pretty unanimous in saying that reading gets more comfortable around 3k words deep into Core2/6k. Keep doing cards, and eventually reading becomes less of a chore, and more like a good learning experience.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211846
This post is a lie, don't listen to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211846
this post is a lie dont listen to it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211846
t. 2k words deep in core and gonna keep on pushing that fake progress because reading is too hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211846
>Linguistic literature
>3k words deep into Core

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211854
>>19211865
>>19211895
Nice samefagging. Even this thread was unanimous in surveys saying that reading gets more reasonable around 3k vocab. Stop encouraging newbies to read when they have only 100 vocab. They get discouraged because they have to look up 9 out of every 10 words. It isn't viable in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

i dont want you to look at words you dont know i want you to watch 10000 hours of subbed anime so you know some sort of amount of nihongo where you can plug shit in when you try to start reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211915
>everyone is a NEET with 24/7 time on their hands
Spotted the pathetic weeaboo NEET.

[Anonymous No.]

the best time to start reading was yesterday the next best time is after youre done pointlessly arguing when to start reading on a tibetan goat milking forum

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211908
>They get discouraged
Oh no.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211918
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211908
I'll stop calling you a liar when you stop lying. There is nothing anywhere about 3000 words from Core being special except for your own delusions.

[Anonymous No.]

僕は男が生まれちゃった! 女の子になりたい!!!

[Anonymous No.]

read right now and if you cant watch more anime and try again later

basically just dont worry about shit and live your life its fuckin easy

[Anonymous No.]

思い続けていれば

願いはきっと叶うんだよな

[Anonymous No.]

using dictionary on real content is more fun than skimming through cards. But since learning shouldn't be fun you must only start reading after finishing core10k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211846
Based.

[Anonymous No.]

just play go go nippon for epic nihongownage

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211908
stop trying to breed more dekinais
i want to see dekiru in this thread only

[Anonymous No.]

i just wanna see everyone have a nice time regardless of nihongo level

[Anonymous No.]

>want to watch a Japanese Let's Play of a game
>they set the dialogue to English

[Anonymous No.]

i am nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211988
dekinai isn't about level, it's about ability to progress

[Anonymous No.]

well yeah this thread series has been nothing but a giant failure to launch honestly it gives nukemarine a run for his money

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211938
It's all about percentages, and around 3k words is about the time where you start having to look up less words when reading stuff like basic news articles and the like.
>>19211978
Motivation is a huge factor in language learning, and telling someone with barely any vocab to force themselves to read and look every word up is detrimental to motivation. You're the one breeding dekinais.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212034
3k words is virtually identical to 2k words.

[Anonymous No.]

finish the first rtk book before reading. finishing the third book would be optimal too but i'm assuming most of you won't be able to wait that long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212040
Except 3k is 50% more vocab than what you know at 2k. It makes a huge difference, especially when what you're learning is still basic vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212051
It's not 50% fewer looked up words. You're still looking up basically the same amount of words.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212051
looking up every word in an article does not require more motivation than grinding a core deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212053
Minus the core words tho

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212059
Core 6k is not primarily made up of core vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212034
you can do 3k of core and start reading for the first time ever and it's going to be even more demotivating because you did 3k of core for 4-5 months and you still have to look up every fucking word
you are overstating the usefulness of core which suffers both from being a premade deck and from being a suboptimal selection of vocab to get you started in beginner material

[Anonymous No.]

i've queued up literally 2 dozen+ tabs of "how to learn japanese" that i won't be able to finish reading and watching tonight. i'll get around to learning japanese some other time.

[Anonymous No.]

the best tab you can close is this one if you wanna learn nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212074
That's why you are a dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

It's so funny to look at EOPs defending their precious core cards everyday

[Anonymous No.]

i got the cards you need

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbjXmBmHAdk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212083
woah you just blew my mind. English L2s are probably the most qualified (of Japanese Dekinais) to say what works and doesn't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212056
>>19212067
Grinding a deck every day takes 15-30 minutes when you're so early in core. Reading something and looking up 9 out of every 10 words takes a lot longer, and not understanding said text after having looked everything up depletes motivation very quickly. Early on in language learning, motivation can become scarce very quickly, so it's better to pace oneself.
>>19212061
It is. You clearly haven't done core to say such a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212094
EOP doesn't know what EOP means?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212099
I know what it means but a lot of bilingual English speakers are ESL, and they learned English primarily through immersion and not grinding Anki decks. But my bad, I did assume you meant ESLs instead of just bilingual people in general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212095
https://core6000.neocities.org/

2068 上達 じょうたつ improvement (e.g. in skill, ability); progress
2069 一家 いっか a household, a family
2070 家出 いえで running away from home
2071 大家 おおや landlord
2072 元来 がんらい originally, essentially
2073 元日 がんじつ New Year's Day
2074 エンジン エンジン engine
2075 お中元 おちゅうげん summer gift (Bon Festival gift)
2076 天の川 あまのがわ Milky Way

https://core6000.neocities.org/10k/new.html

705 物語 ものがたり story, tale
787 押す おす push, press down
860 込む こむ be crowded, be congested
909 ひととき ひととき some moments, a while
1085 以外 いがい except for

Wow core6k is so full of the most fundamental 6k words. You could even call what it contains core vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212116
This is all basic vocab, for any language. I hear these words pretty often in any given week. If you weren't such a sheltered NEET, you would too.

[Anonymous No.]

English is literally the easiest language in the world to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212095
>15-30 minutes when you're so early
For the first week maybe. Then reviews start to pile up. If anything looking at 200+ cards every morning is demotivating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212130
I think you need to look at my post again until you realize what it's conveying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212106
EOP doesn't mean bilingual either, it means the opposite

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212130
the words in the bottom half of his post are obviously more fundamental than the words in the top half and that's the point. they're not in core 6k, they're in core 10k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212116
You sound like an EOP, you can't know whether word is essential or not just by lookong at it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212144
Yes you can.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212144
pretty sure 元日, お中元, and 天の川 are less essential than 押す, 込む, and 以外

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212144
you're right, when i learn japanese i'll understand why 天の川 is far more essential than 以外

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212138
>>19212142
What I'm saying is that there isn't any highly technical vocab, therefore it's all basic vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212158
We're not talking about "basic vocab". There are tens of thousands of basic vocab words. You're not going to learn a fulfilling amount of basic vocab after using 3000 vocabulary flashcards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212139
I know what it means. I'm talking about your implication that bilingual speakers don't rely on core cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212158
it's all basic vocab, and yet that doesn't make it all worth learning before you even start fucking reading

[Anonymous No.]

You should start reading after doing 3k

[Anonymous No.]

you should start reading long before doing 3k

[Anonymous No.]

no one that doesnt already know nihongo is ever gonna learn nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

Is there even a point to the core decks period if you can start making your own right away while reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212160
More fulfilling than when you only have 100 vocab that's for sure. And that's the whole point of the "3k for comfortable reading" meme.
>>19212164
It's pretty much impossible to optimize vocab learning so that you learn everything in an "optimal" order. You have to learn all those 6k words anyway, so it's all useful. The only people who shit on the core decks are ADHD millennials who are such brainlets that they can't do something as basic as flashcards.

[Anonymous No.]

Remember to read, bare minimum 20 minutes to stimulate that nihingo brain!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212189
It's not a meme. You're the only person who gives such advice. The memes are every number EXCEPT 3000. 100, 500, 1000, 2000, 6000, all common recommendations. 3000 is not a common recommendation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212197
Many people on here have said that 3k was when it starts getting comfortable enough to not look everything up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212206
No, just you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212206
stop lying and move on with your life

[Anonymous No.]

10000 hours of los animes or tu es muy gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212189
>It's pretty much impossible to optimize vocab learning so that you learn everything in an "optimal" order.
that's what mining is when you don't do it wrong
>You have to learn all those 6k words anyway
you don't have to learn 3k of them before you start reading
>The only people who shit on the core decks are ADHD millennials who are such brainlets that they can't do something as basic as flashcards.
the only people who recommend doing 4-5 months of flash cards before they start reading are ADHD millennials who are such brainlets that they think they found a shortcut out of the challenge of learning something new

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212206
>Many people on here have said that
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212224
>that's what mining is when you don't do it wrong
Doesn't work that way. Everything you read won't have optimal vocab (frequency, usefulness, etc.).
>you don't have to learn 3k of them before you start reading
Never said that. You can start reading before 3k, but it starts getting more comfortable around 3k.
>the only people who recommend doing 4-5 months of flash cards before they start reading are ADHD millennials who are such brainlets that they think they found a shortcut out of the challenge of learning something new
>before they start reading
Why do you keep arguing past my point? I never said to not read before 3k.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212236
Just look at the archives. You can probably find the survey that proved my point unanimously too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212242
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212246
hmm yes that survey that asked question X even though you say it's about question Y

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212248
t. stupid millennial unable to argue any point and resorts to posting stupid template posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212253
There is no point to refute. Now prove that you know even a very basic amount of Japanese. Also, you're a millennial.
https://vocaroo.com/?upload

[Anonymous No.]

this threads for learnin nihongo not arguin like a got dang idiot

if you dont know nihongo theres no reason anyone should listne to you

so if you know nihongo nows the time bro or be forever the bitch we all already know you are

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212242
>Everything you read won't have optimal vocab (frequency, usefulness, etc.).
it's the most optimal you can get for the shit that you're actually reading, which is the point. there is no such thing as optimal, but at least it's optimized for the kind of media you are trying to read. as for frequency, don't mine shit that isn't even frequent in what you're reading, that's why you're not supposed to mine every word.
>but it starts getting more comfortable around 3k.
it starts getting more comfortable when you've fucking read
you can do 10k and it will still be uncomfortable when you've never fucking read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212249
My argument and question has always been "reading starts getting comfortable at X words". You guys just strawmanned me by switching it to "don't start reading before X words" because you're stupid millennials who are unable to argue a proper point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212260
I never said that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212248
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

[Anonymous No.]

i didnt give you permission to use that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212258
>you can do 10k and it will still be uncomfortable when you've never fucking read
I originally defined comfort as less dictionary lookups, which is what you attain with more vocab under your belt.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a beginner (few months) so maybe it's unrealistic to throw romanji out the window for a while, but I know there comes a point where I shouldn't need it anymore. Ideally I'd like to wean myself off it (or at least START to do so) as soon as possible...but I can't seem to find a strategy to learn that doesn't involve writing the romanji next to the hiragana over and over (and over...and over...) and just hoping the sound-to-hiragana connection cements eventually. For instance, I spent ages yesterday just trying to drill ittekimasu* and itte*rasai into my head, but no amount of writing いってきます/ "I will go and come back" and いってらっさい / Please go and come back" made me actually remember the sounds that are connected to those definitions even though I can read the hiragana fine. The only reason I know them now is because I begrudgingly omitted hiragana from the equation and learned the vocab in romanji when it should be the other way around. I feel like this shouldn't be this hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212273
This is a reddit repost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212263
No, I meant you guys are saying my argument is based on "don't read before X words", when that was never my argument.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm a beginner (few months) so maybe it's unrealistic to throw romanji out the window for a while, but I know there comes a point where I shouldn't need it anymore. Ideally I'd like to wean myself off it (or at least START to do so) as soon as possible...but I can't seem to find a strategy to learn that doesn't involve writing the romanji next to the hiragana over and over (and over...and over...) and just hoping the sound-to-hiragana connection cements eventually. For instance, I spent ages yesterday just trying to drill ittekimasu* and itte*rasai into my head, but no amount of writing いってきます/ "I will go and come back" and いってらっさい / Please go and come back" made me actually remember the sounds that are connected to those definitions even though I can read the hiragana fine. The only reason I know them now is because I begrudgingly omitted hiragana from the equation and learned the vocab in romanji when it should be the other way around. I feel like this shouldn't be this hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212278
I didn't say that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212280
This is a djt repost

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212260
if you refuse to learn any word that isn't handed to you by your god-given list of optimal vocabulary by frequency of use in material that you are not reading, you will probably hate reading until you get to 3000 words because you are doing it wrong
otherwise, reading "starts getting comfortable" at 500-1000 words, which is about how many of the words in the 3k core were actually beneficial to you for the beginner trash you are reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212273
if you're going to post reddit, this is the kind of quality content to use

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212246
This one?
https://www.strawpoll.me/15420444/r

[Anonymous No.]

literally linking 7 response straw poll from 2 months ago

get it together djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212282
See
>>19212224
>>19212173
>>19212171
>>19212067
>>19211915
>>19211895
They all act as if my argument is "don't read before X words" instead of arguing my main point. Everyone here is obviously a brainlet.

[Anonymous No.]

only brainlets argue in the first place

if you cant show something indisputable you aint shit my ninja

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212289
500-1000 is absolutely nothing. I think you've maybe passed that point so long ago that you forgot what it was like.
>>19212300
No, that one was made by the strawmanning shitters because it says "before delving into" which I never argued for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212307
have you considered that no one gives a shit what your main point was and were simply arguing against the idea of continuing core for that long, since it was an assumption upon which your point was built, and if the assumption is broken your point falls flat?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212307
saying "you should do X" is not saying "you're saying you shouldn't do X"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212317
>500-1000 is absolutely nothing.
500 is more than 60% of words as you run into them
1000 is more than 70%

[Anonymous No.]

lets settle this once and for all

https://www.strawpoll.me/15892173

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212317
500-1000 of core is absolutely nothing, 500-1000 that appears frequently in the kind of shit you read is worth more

[Anonymous No.]

Where the FUCK do I download western films from with Japanese dubs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212325
"Should" was never a word I used. I never speak in absolutes.
>>19212324
Every word in 6k has to be learned anyway, so there's no real reason to drop it. You can mine alongside it if that was your point.
>>19212327
70% is low. You still feel like you're looking everything up at that point. 3k vocab is something closer to 90% of what you run into. That 20% difference between 70% and 90% is what I argue is the difference between tedious reading and comfortable reading. It's not rocket science.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212336
btw if you need help knowing whos who

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4t8Fuk-SCQ

0:11 YZERR
0:33 Vingo
1:28 G-k.i.d
1:49 Yellow pato
2:21 Bark
2:43 Tiji Jojo
3:05 Benjazzy
3:38 T-Pablow

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212348
>I never speak in absolutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212336
>stop arguing about Japanese!!
>vote for best pavement ape!!
You're just the worst person here, no question about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212344
Real question is, why the fuck would you do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212354

[Anonymous No.]

wonegai
https://www.strawpoll.me/15892194

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212348
>"Should" was never a word I used. I never speak in absolutes.
you literally did not even comprehend my post correctly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212348
>3k vocab is something closer to 90% of what you run into
Hahahaha fucking no. It's 85% max even with a perfect general-purpose deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212358
Because Japanese media sucks and I want to learn Japanese for other reasons than jacking off to cartoons

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212365
filename

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212348
>You can mine alongside it if that was your point.
a mining deck is better for many reasons, why would you not drop core when you've started a mining deck? it just takes time out of your mining deck and out of reading in order to deliver inferior results.
what's the point? do you think it's helpful to save yourself 6000 cards worth of labor? less, because at least 1000 of those words don't need dedicated cards in the first place, but that's unimportant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212372
It's indeed a shame that your small gaijin ape brain cannot comprehend the superiority of Japanese media. I feel bad for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212372
>This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media
>>>/int/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212372
i mean you talk the right game but yet youre in this thread

so i dont believe in your resolve

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212392
>>19212386
>>19212383
I like some anime and some older Japanese films but otherwise, meh. Incredible djt doesn't know where to get dubs though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212372
>I want to learn Japanese for other reasons
What reasons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212395
why the fuck would you watch a film of western origin in japanese
thats literally what you learn japanese to escape from: bad translations

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212395
>I like some anime and some older Japanese films but otherwise, meh
Cool, fuck off then

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212401
Maybe what you learned it for.

>>19212396
Business opportunities, mate. My company has a lot of connections with Japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212395
dont worry djt doesnt know where to get a lot of things like 日本語の知識

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212271
>dictionary lookups
but that's what core decks are

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212411
>stagnant economy
>infamous working environment
>business "opportunities"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212411
>>>/trv/
>>>/int/
>>>/an/ywherebutjpthxbye/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212354
you hatin but look at this mother fucker spittin shit you could only dream of

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4t8Fuk-SCQ#t=108

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212273
>I'm a beginner (few months) so maybe it's unrealistic to throw romanji out the window for a while
Man this opener is so good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212428
the guy must be a novelist, he knows how to open with a hook

[Anonymous No.]

ey guys I'm running through Rtk after getting through like 1/4th of it last try. using hte anki deck which is way better than memrise.

how many new cards can I learn before I start cucking myself with reviews? I'm doing like 20-30 right now but it feels slow.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.strawpoll.me/15892262
https://www.strawpoll.me/15892262
https://www.strawpoll.me/15892262

Time to settle the core deck debate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212423
not him but I have to point out your bullshit so people stop parroting it
>>stagnant economy
japan is the 3rd biggest economy in the world, the only reason I can think of to call it "stagnant" is because of the low birth rates which will eventually plunder the nation into a state of constant need of workers when there's not enough to support the economy, unless of course this crisis is somehow subverted
>>infamous working enviroment
I don't wanna waste much time here so just search for an OECD graph for work hours and knock yourself out
>>business "opportunities"
i don't know what this one is supposed to mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212441
I did 25 a day, it never gets overwhelming in my experience

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212439
最古の記憶は

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212444
theres no both are fuckin gay option so you should remake it with this option

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211127
No you didn't manga isn't reading.

>>19211918
>>19212130
watch or view pic related

>>19212372
wrong thread bro

[Anonymous No.]

view yourself off a cliff

[Anonymous No.]

>>19211102
read comment chain

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212444
I had both and even put core cards in my mine deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212466
You are a retard if you're not utilizing a deck of some kind so I didn't include that option.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212495
tell me more retarded flash card doer who doesnt know nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212498
>who doesnt know nihongo
wtf how did you know?

[Anonymous No.]

女の勘 innit mate

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212447
damn 25 huh? yeah I'm doing 25 ish but it just feels slow. gonna finish rtk in what 18092348013 days, god damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212447
IDK if I would describe it as overwhelming but I'm doing 25 a day and the 100 daily reviews is a fucking chore, mainly because I really try to make sure I'm remembering and visualizing the shit I learned.

[Anonymous No.]

heres some food for thought for all you high iq nuclear physicists

you could listen to people in this thread who dont know nihongo you could listen to these lads who do

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyiUcrIGY-w#t=45

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212520
are you doing rtk only or any other learning stuff like vocab or grammar etc/

I wouldnt' mind as much but I'm trying to get right through rtk so I'm basically not learning anything else and feel a bit retarded doing 25 cards a day knowing its gonna be like 3 months before I finish this shit and actually learn a fucking word lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212528
I was doing hours of daily listening but stopped after people pointed out that naked, incomprehensible input is worthless. I haven't done grammar and I don't plan on doing vocab until I'm finished with at least RTK1. I'll probably start casually reading Tae Kim every day though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212528
thats because it is retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212528
I listened to audio throughout my RTK journey. I made a game of it, trying to hear as many words as possible then looking them up. It's fun and teaches you how the language sounds

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212411
If you don't like japanese media and you want a language for business learn Mandarin. It is easier in every metric while also giving you a better opportunity for making money.

Only learn nip if you like anime/manga/ln/etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212600
China is a pyramid of a billion angry peasants and is going to collapse in our lifetime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212600
Better Mandarin than Spanish. Learning Spanish isn't going to help you with jack shit in the US contrary to the retarded meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212600
Yeah but the mandarinz aren't as cool as nihongo
>>19212603
t. american
You better make room for the next superpower my friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212609
>implying
The US will be majority Hispanic in our lifetime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212603
Yea China has insurmountable genetic issues but if it collapsed it'd still bounce back. Lack of morals isn't going to stop a huge population with an IQ that high from being an economic power.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212603
>>19212624
Even if china's economy collapses the crazy free for all in china right now is perfect for making a lot of money and then escaping before the collapse.

[Anonymous No.]

If you all love china so much why don't you marry it

[Anonymous No.]

Chinese marriages are long and dull.

Also this is now /dct/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212637
I would prefer to remain in America and occasionally talk to a random Japanese person I run into and read my incest light novels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212248
>>19212255
No one else did it so here you go. https://vocaroo.com/i/s07SQNsfMuLy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212647
I only know one chinese phrase
瓜老外

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212658
now in jipang

[Anonymous No.]

chinese people in the US always seem flattered when a non-chinese speaks their language whereas I bet nips would be offended that another anime loving retard is trying to talk to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212669
上手日本語、アノン君！　すごいいいいいい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212680
本音「日本語拙すぎて何が言いたいのか全然わかんねーｗｗｗ外人さんおもしれーｗｗｗｗｗ」

[Anonymous No.]

alright, stupid question.
Consider the following:
>I travel two time zones away and my phone auto correct itself
>I boot up anki at exactly 1 am, since I have the day reset at 12:00 am it gives me new set of cards.
>I boot up my laptop which is still on my time zone, 11:00 PM
>I wait an hour and it's 12:00 AM on my laptop
Does genki day resets again and gives another set of cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212717
How are r*dditors even able to function? Do they all just live with their parents?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212669
Maybe that happens to you because you are fat and short. They always seem impressed with me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212723
why don't you answer the questions instead of being a smartass then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212746
i've never tried because i can't do it. i'm just saying how i would expect nips in the US to react. but it's good to hear i'm wrong. also i'm not short.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212746
>guy says "I bet"
Damn dude go get laid or something and stop projecting onto random anons

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212756
Never denied being fat hmmm.

As long as you actually speak Japanese and not set phrases you learn from anime they will think you are a god.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212764
t. fat and short

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212764
I will have you know I am an atheist faggot who lives in a very christian area so I will project all I damn please.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212822
redpill me on this dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212861
he knows the nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212248
>>19212255
>>19212666
https://vocaroo.com/i/s1JsC4PfpnqX

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212861
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vvpkcDOXyE

>>19212984
あっちゃー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212984
Didn't expect to see you here matt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212989
now youve done it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212989
that's not matt, that's that one ajatter he once interviewed, the n1-not-fluent one

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212996
i dont do ajatt i do rattata anyone who wants skills like mine should do so too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212984
jokes aside how do you make yourself sound like some form of text to speech

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213050
make your pitch changes extremely stiff and unnatural and insert intentional accent errors everywhere

[Anonymous No.]

>t-the errors are intentional guys! i swear im not just trying to hide my bad japanese!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213057
of course they are i'm just explaining why they sound like a robot

[Anonymous No.]

at least that guys got more balls than the rest of yall

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213187
is it ballsy to be intentionally bad so that no one can judge you

[Anonymous No.]

i dont believe that for a second because no one here could judge you either way

[Anonymous No.]

There is not a single person io this thread capable of reading a page of Toradora with remotely natural sounding pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.]

that's why it's easy to judge, just say it's shit and you're right

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213261
who the fuck cares about sounding like a native unless you want to literally be a japanese person like matt

[Anonymous No.]

djts so bad that they think once you arent talking like a complete gaijin anymore you sound native lol

watch out for that iceberg its big

[Anonymous No.]

there's a vast ocean between unnatural and native
you could try aiming for competent so that it's not painful to listen to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213321
Show us what competent sounds like.

[Anonymous No.]

imagine being so bored you shitpost by championing normalfaggotry

[Anonymous No.]

we were all normal fags in the beginning

you have to channel your inner normal fag if you want to actually learn nihongo

period

[Anonymous No.]

I swear to god, why does Japanese have so many fucking nonsensical onomatopoeias and make it fucking impossible to look them up? What the hell kind of sound is a "きゅぴっきゅぴっと音" supposed to be?

[Anonymous No.]

im pretty sure no one here actually works in japan
which means youll never actually need to produce japanese
period

[Anonymous No.]

nice spacing dude

[Anonymous No.]

nice goalposts floating all over the place

[Anonymous No.]

imagine thinking you're not a normalfag when you can't even give a proper tea ceremony to your nihonjin okyakusama

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213350
all the people that made it are in the /int/ thread

[Anonymous No.]

the ones that care about output...

[Anonymous No.]

how about you all practice outputting some quality posts

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213368
this is bullshit they suck mucho ass but this thread is containing all of the troublemakers who try to get people to do stupid shit instead of just learning nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213371
if you can't output at all then you still suck ass at input

[Anonymous No.]

What's the average IQ of nihongo learners in DJT?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213397
Around 90 thanks to a few people scoring real low

[Anonymous No.]

1 higher than yours

[Anonymous No.]

at least 75

[Anonymous No.]

between 69 and 420

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213410
>410
yeah i guess you are

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz4T5dnWazI&t=320

[Anonymous No.]

Why must we fight?

[Anonymous No.]

what if i just wanna read eroge

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213397
ha faggot, I bet I have more chromosomes then you.

[Anonymous No.]

thats nice

[Anonymous No.]

Dear Diary,
Today while reading a VN a character who spoke 関西弁 came up. I got the jist of her first few lines but then skipped through the rest. I'll do better next time.

[Anonymous No.]

dear diarist,
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213368
>>90873258 ;)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19212139
>anon is complimenting your ability to immerse yourself in a language as opposed to relying on a rote memorization method - and even defending your post
>completely misunderstand either of his posts
ESLs are embarrassing!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213562

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213618
bige

[Anonymous No.]

I've memorized probably 500 or so kanji so far with the "story" memorization method by making up shit to help memorize the meaning. That said, it seems to be failing me as the kanji keeps getting more and more complex visually, like 臓. I'm curious how do you guys do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213624
learn words

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213616
don't worry brother i'm native i'm just low iq
also i'm not the original person he responded to
if it makes you feel better to blame esls though, by all means

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213639
oh okay thanks bud

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213624
Moon on the left side often means it's some body part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213676
i noticed that pretty early, that's a good tip for beginners

[Anonymous No.]

お前な・・

[Anonymous No.]

>>19213676
>>19213695
great tip for epic 勝利

[Anonymous No.]

Best deck for grinding kanji, DJT?