Daily Dekinai Thread DJT #1945

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in procrastinating from learning Japanese.
If you have no interest in procrastinating or want to learn Japanese, this is not the thread for you.

Read the guide and then leave:
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Previous thread: >>19176750

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>>19191606
I like manga, that doesn't make it reading though.

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>skipped two days in a row

I feel so fucking useless. Why is it so hard to mine? Do I need to find more compelling media? I'm such a beginner I don't wanna drown in advanced content

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>>19191682
No, you don't consider anything but what you like to be reading. Which changes, based on your current level of autism.

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>>19191736
How beginner is beginner? How far are you though the traditional textbooks? Where are you on the base 2000?

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>>19191736
Read easy things then? You want interesting reading that's just somewhat difficult. As a beginner you're probably going to have to compromise somewhat on one of those though.

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>>19191756
I am reading easy things. Unfortunately the easy stuff isn't very interesting

>>19191741
Not doing core, know a few hundred words from mining. Grammar and slang was super tough but the patterns are appearing and I'm getting faster at it

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>>19191771
Read more difficult but more interesting things then?

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>>19191784
>agree with djt anon
>intstantly pick up some raws of a manga I loved in English
>can't read 80%

I'm...not sure how interesting this will be when I can't understand any of it but I'll push through and see how it goes

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>>19191771
>Unfortunately the easy stuff isn't very interesting
What easy stuff are you reading?

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I feel like people are ill advised to be jumping into literature right away. You should watch a few hundreds episodes of raw anime before reading.

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>>19191818
Manga isn't reading so you can't read any of it.

>>19191738
>No, you don't consider anything but what you like to be reading.
But I just said I like manga and don't consider it reading. What's so hard to understand about that?

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How am I supposed to learn honorific japanese when I don't know how to use honorific language in my own native language?

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>>19191827
shut the fuck up, no one cares what you think

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>>19191855
You can be a hater all you want but you know it's true.

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>>19191850
>I don't know how to use honorific language in my own native language
what's your language and why are you retarded?

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>>19191771
you're going to have grunt work at the beginning, one way or the other. either drag through the scholarly texts to build your base, or drag through basic children's content to build it.

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>>19191859
>>19191827
>>19191682

>>19191855
stop feeding it anon

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>>19191861
It's persian. Why are you so rude?

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>>19191875
This is 4chan. Why are you surprised?

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>>19191867
He didn't feed anything. I was clearing up a misunderstanding then he came in hating for no reason and got bopped.

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>>19191888
nice

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Is it possible to permanently flip an anki deck?

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>>19191891
Few ways. I'd suggest creating new card type, moving all the cards in the deck to the new type.

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あめ

おおあめ

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>>19191818
Look up the other words? With most manga it's often clear what's happening even without a lot of the dialogue. And if you've read it before you should at least remember vaguely what's happening.

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>>19191907
It seems you've made a mistake in your post. Manga isn't reading.

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>>19191891
Just edit the cards to change what they show on each side? Or make a new card type so they're all new and suspend/delete the old ones.

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@19191909
Get a trip so we can filter you please.

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>>19191909
If you bothered to learn English you would know that it is, and that I didn't even use the word in my post. You are an illiterate moron.

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こんなにあついのに

おにいちゃんはへいきだという

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>>19191915
You said "if you've read it before" talking about manga. You don't read manga. Who's illiterate now? Checkmate.

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Reading manga is like reading comic books. Let's leave it at that.
Or... there was a post a couple threads back that was trying to be pasta that explained it as something like manga plus reading in the vein of the GNU plus linux pasta.

Anyway. It's 3:00am, I have 30 reviews left. Once I finish my review should I introduce 20 more words or go to sleep? I just want to sleep.

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Manga is reading though

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>>19191915
don't take the bait anon.

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>>19191946
If you're struggling, it's best not to force it. You'll just struggle on it again tomorrow. Sleep is important in memory formation

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>>19191918
平気じゃありません我が妹よ
結構暑いんだぞ
特に下半身
楽にしてくれる？

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>>19192097
警官さん〜こっち

[Anonymous No.]

I got barely more than 50% of my mature cards today right. Feels pretty shitty.

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I am through the basics section of TK, please correct me if I'm wrong here

漫画を読むのは読むのだ

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>>19192199
Although it's correct, it feels very unnatural.

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>>19192199
what are you trying to say

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>>19191661
anyone have any suggestions for trackers/direct downloads for japanese audio books? it's pretty easy to buy them (audible is great), but i'm poor as fuck and need more

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>>19192173
Welcome to my life. I've accepted that I can't learn japanese but I don't know why i keep trying.

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>>19192424
Truly inspiring. Keep going at it, knowing that somewhere, somebody is cheering you on.

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>>19192355
I'd try MAM or BiB if you an account on either of them. I heard RED also has audiobooks, although probably not in Japanese.

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>>19192355
The Japanese audible site has a free trial period for new members that you can use for 30 days to download as many audiobooks as you can day. As long as your account is cancelled before the 30 day period ends, it won't roll over into the standard monthly price of 1500円. Even that is dirt cheap compared to the non-Japanese audible stores.

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I can't for my life remember word readings when doing flashcards even though I get the meanings very fast (thanks to rtk I guess). Any tips? I end up spamming again hundred times and then Anki only allows to move the card to the next day.

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>>19192468
read vns

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>>19192468
Watch more anime

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>>19192468
Read.

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>>19192468
read more

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>>19192468
Read more animes

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>>19192475
>>19192476
>>19192480
>>19192489
癌

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>>19192468
Watch manga.

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Is watching jp subtitled anime better than watching manga?

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>>19192525
Maybe

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ジェイピーは、ペニスが好きなんだよね！

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who alls genki

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>>19191736
You should just read what you want to read. I mean, that is my primary motivation for learning the language. There is a ton of fiction I want to read in Japanese. Basically, studying via reading is already a part of goal since I'm reading the stuff I always wanted to read and that alone motivates me to continue.

If you are unsure or demotivated because of progress then in my case reading took a long time and could get a bit annoying in the beginning since it took so long to think about the sentences and look up words but around the time I hit I think 1400 words in Core JPN Anki deck things became noticeably much more easier and swift.

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>>19192690
What if I don't like reading?

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どくしょする

どれがいいかな？

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>>19192710
Pick up a manga.

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I can't wrap my head around this damned sentence. What does it mean and in what context is it used?

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>>19192740
たいじゅうそくてい

が

あるからでしょ

あさごはんぬきはきほん

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>>19192740
My eyes actually teared up.

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>>19192740
It means "It is that breakfast wasn't to eat"

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>>19191946
Well comic books aren't reading either but that's getting off topic.

>>19192710
watch manga

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Watch Terrace House or forever remain a N2-kun

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>>19192740
"I haven't eaten a breakfast."
"Why?"

Why do you find this difficult? Am I missing something?

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>>19192740
see The 「の」 particle as explanation
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/nounparticles

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>>19192760
fuck outta here with that normalfag shit

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>>19192763
ぜんごで

２ついみがあるよ

りゆうがなければ

たべるとおもう

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not learning nihongo is normalfag shit

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>>19192740
Delete this deck.

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How do you deal with when you mine too many words?
I played for 3 hours yesterday and mined 60 words before stopping (because I didn't want too much backlog), I want to play and learn all day but I'm just accumulating too many words which is annoying because retention drops when you get something you saw a week ago as a "new" word

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>>19192836
Only add words you've seen a few times already?

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>>19192763
Maybe. The first sentence means "I regret having breakfast."

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>>19192836
>retention drops when you get something you saw a week ago as a "new" word
Tbh cant relate to this. I just let them pile up into a backlog and do however many per day

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>>19192740
I couldnt eat breakfast./why?
explain to me what you couldnt get, anon
私に頼ってもいいですよ

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I am this anon, call me sky>>19192896
--i made a blunder, the sentence reads "I did not eat breakfast./why?"

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>>19192728
朝からずっしりミルクポット

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>>19192525
i would say easier and probably help with listening speaking/more. you would prob cover more text that way.

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>>19192743
>>19192763
I read up on の and did some google. So ～んじゃなかった is past-negative of ～んだ with a naunce of "something that shouldn't of been done".

あさごはんをたべるんじゃなかった。
-I shouldn't have eaten breakfast.
どうして。
-Why?
たいじゅうそくていがあるからでしょ。
-Because they're checking our measurements today.

I think I understand it now, thanks guys.

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why is japanese verb conjugation so beautiful

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because youre a re-re

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Guys, I have a question. Where the fuck can you download japanese VNs? I already looked at the guide, but most links on Anime-Sharing are dead, the same way most torrents are pretty much dead. And other sites like CraneAnime are really lacking in content. Isn't there a better way to download VNs or do I really have to buy every single one if I want to read them?

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emule

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>>19193171
wow if you cant figure out something as simple as that you should just give up now

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>>19193171
nyaa: most torrents are almost dead but with patience you can do it
pornolab: slav porn tracker that does have a fair amount of VNs
AB: a sekrit club that you have no chance of getting into
Choose whatever fits you

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>>19193171
nyaa and rutracker

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kazaa

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Someone tell me the magical way to get good at listening

I can read and write with no issues (Shin Kanzen N1 questions are a piece of cake) however I can't get good at listening no matter how much I am trying

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>>19193241
watch more anime

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>>19193241
10000 hours of anime. No, seriously.

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10000 hours of anime or your gay

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>>19193241
Anime.

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anime: my anti drug

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>>19193171
Are you looking for anything in particular?

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>>19193298
Not anymore. Was looking for はつゆきさくら, which was where I noticed how hard it can be to find a fast, working download and just wanted to know if there is a better alternative for future references.

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>>19193358
AB is your best bet. make friends with some weebs and you might get an invite. you can also try their IRC ( That's how I got in)

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>>19193407
The one he was looking for doesn't seem to be on AB though, unless I'm too dumb to find it.

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>>19193432
You are.

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>>19193438
That's no surprise.

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>>19193481
You need to deactivate the adult content filter in your settings.

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>>19193503
Thanks, you're a good friend.

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>>19193432
AB has pretty much everything that's worthwhile

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>kids these days thinking a newish anime torrent tracker has everything worthwhile for eroge lmao

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It's the best you can get for free

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>>19193358
はつゆきさくら: https://mega.nz/#F!XOwiRIZJ!w_YVV0QmWCZCWT4Ga3zmcA
Private tracker fags are useless parasites.

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Is that fuji tv live service actually any good? Being able to time shift content to my time sounds pretty neat.

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is there a method to livestream japanese tv stations? preferably free.

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>>19193597

Google AQ Stream JP. Definitely make sure you have adblock of some kind before hand though.

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Reposting from last thread for the anons asking about how to more easily look up the contents of Japanese subtitles, since it died shortly after I posted:
This is meant for use on Linux, and you'll probably have to modify the script somehow to make it work with Windows, as I'm using the "xsel" utility to manipulate the clipboard, and I haven't used Windows for anything but the occasional game in years so I don't know how the clipboard is managed on a Windows system. That said, here's how I do it:
I play the anime I'm watching with mpv, having added the subtitles I want to use by dragging the file into the window. Then, I use a simple lua script (which you just need to put into the scripts folder. On Linux, that would be /home/YOURUSERNAME/.config/mpv/scripts/ . /jp/ doesn't allow posting of code, so I've uploaded it to doko as a .txt file: https://a.doko.moe/uwufar.txt
save that as a .lua and put it in your scripts folder.
Set up firefox for text-hooking as described in the Cornucopia (Steps 2 & 3 from here: http://pastebin.com/raw/DgZ84qwk (embed)), it would be redundant for me to explain that here.
Now just press "a" at any time while watching Japanese subbed anime and the currently displayed line of text will appear in Firefox, ready to be manipulated by your mouse-over dictionary of choice.

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>>19193711
winbabs btfo once more

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>>19193597
google keyholetv

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>>19193767
linuxfags need shitty subs to understand clearly spoken japanese while winchads can watch raw anime with ease
who's the btfo'd here I wonder

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>>19193767
Fairly certain you can use AHK (or at worst, AHK + Python) to do the same in Windows.

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>>19193795
Didn't know that AHK could even manipulate the clipboard, pretty amazing, for windows software.

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>>19193711
Just fucking open the sub text file

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Any good way to convert LNs to html? Calibre misses some images, renaming epub to htmlz gives you the book fragmented in a billion separate html files, all converters I tried were complete shit.

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>>19193711
just use potplayer. pause the video and then click the text.

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>>19193895
Woah cool. Too bad potplayer is chinese malware though.

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>>19193900
korean actually

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>>19193900
considering he uses google chrome I'd say he probs doesn't really care about that

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>>19193895
you can also right click

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any good way to convert lns to comprehensible input

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i don't know, i only look at the drawings and assess what the story was based on them

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>>19192836
don't mine everything you see if it's not rare to find new words, and don't stop fucking reading because of backlog. you should be perfectly aware that mining+anki is supplemental and reading is learning

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i read that as drawings and asses at first

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>>19193711
Playing it in your browser (with copyable text) would be a million times better.

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>素人
>しろうと

what the fuck?

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you guys say "dekinai" so much that I immediately recognized it when an oppai model said the word on terrace house

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djts working dude pretty soon youre gonna recognize every word but still not understand what theyre saying

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>>19193971
I bet you've read more text in DJT than you've read Japanese.

And I also bet that you aren't the only one.

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>>19193895
Does that work in a space-less language like Japanese?? If you tried to click on 特殊相対性理論 it'd shit the bed, right?

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>>19193999
yea I don't get to start reading Japanese for another couple months

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>>19193959
Not using subs would be a million times better.

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>>19194026
Yeah, meant it's the most comfortable crutch.

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>>19193965
words existed before kanji was used and had arbitrary fitting kanji applied to them either through meaning or reading. they only fit both reading and meaning when the words were taken from china too.
>>19194025
you get to do whatever the fuck you want, be in charge of your own life

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>>19193959
>>19194029
Well yea, the browser player also lets you click the subtitles and it takes you to the moment the line is being spoken. Useful if you want audio flashcards which is really the main advantage to mining from anime, but it seems most people are fine with silent flashcards. I always have more fun if I can relive the anime moment.

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>>19194026
Subs are reading practice though, and it's a hell of a lot easier to look up subs using the methods ITT than to use OCR to look up kanji from shitty scans.

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just

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Friendly reminder that if you're not occasionally struggling, you're probably also not learning anything.

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>>19193965
A long time ago, 素人 was literally しろひと and pronounced as shiropito (since ひ was PI back then). It changed into shiroφito -> shiroφto -> shirouto, and now it's read as shiro:to.

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Give up.
i
v
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u
p
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だが断る

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>>19194041
reading subs with audio is subpar reading practice because the audio is a crutch
listening to audio with subs is subpar listening practice because the subs are a crutch
it's not like you can't learn from it, but it's the worst of both worlds. get reading practice by reading. get listening practice by listening.

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>>19194122

Or watch Japanese news and get a little of both.

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friendly reminder if youre struggling too much youre not learning anything

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>>19194122
You are retarded.

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>>19194156
You don't know Japanese.

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>>19194122
yea do all that after you watch 10000 hours of subbed anime

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>>19194171
of course that goes without saying, after all, 10k or ゲイ.

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>>19194041
Easiest lookup is if you open a novel in your browser of choice and use yomichan/rikai*

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>>19191818
Read/watch things you can comprehend about 70-80%. You will fill in the gaps from context, repetition, or encountering it in a lesson later. Not understanding 80% is suffering, scale back to something easier.
>>19191824
Just read youth manga like Chibi Marukochan, Doraemon, ect. Super basic Japanese, few kanji, and furigana and cute enough to enjoy reading.

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Finally finished core2k.
What should I do now? besides reading I mean.
Should I continue on to core6k?
I've been thinking about taking a break from core for a few months and study rtk in the mean time. I need to learn to write sooner or later anyways
What do ya think?

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what do you do? you absorb the fuckin nihongo

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>>19194413

Continue with 6k, maybe reduce new to 10. Either way it'll be little more than a side activity now if that.

Find Japanese TV streams. Watch it when you get bored. You didn't have to wait so long to do grammar, but Japanese the Manga Way is a good book to go through.

Godspeed.

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>>19194413
Why is your review count so high? I'm at 1300 and only get 130 or so reviews per day despite setting the max to 9999 in settings.

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>>19194413
That retention and daily review time is scary.

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Are most raw LNs always image scans? Perfect Dark rarely has 青空文庫 but most are jpegs. Does the DJT Library uploader buy them or is there some obscure source for pirated ebook files?

I guess I could run it through OCR but they always handle the furigana poorly

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thats only if you watched 10k hours of anime

if you havent done that i dont give a fuck how many flashcards you did its meaningless at this very second

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>>19194413
This is absolutely bizarre.

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>>19194484
He's probably learning more new cards per day than you. If I'm reading it right, he learned 100 new cards today?

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>>19194433
Thanks

>>19194484
Probably because poor retention rate as >>19194485 mentioned

>>19194485
I have adhd and tab out of anki a lot during reviews so my review time gets bloated

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>>19194512
Oh, ok that makes sense I guess.

While I'm at it, am I doing alright?

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>>19194512
Not sure how you are reading 100, but I added 20 new cards today. The charts I posted are from yearly stats btw. I actually went through 2k quite slowly by djt standards

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>>19194512
You are retarded. He learned 20. It literally says so.

>>19194525
Do your reviews instead of browsing the site.

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>>19194413
core has some shitty definitions that will hurt you in the long run
i'd start reading and mining instead
rtk is good

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>>19194525
no you are shit fuckin garbage at nihongo and if you dont make serious changes now you will fuckin blow forever and never do what you want to do

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>>19194516
>I have adhd
Fellow (mild)adhd here. Currently reading my 4th vn. Good luck man.

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>>19194535
Says Learn:100 at the top.

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>>19194547
You are retarded. If you have never used Anki in your life don't reply to Anki blogposting.

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>>19194535
I've missed only 1 day since I started, no worries
>>19194540
>no you are shit fuckin garbage at nihongo
Well I have been studying for like 2 months Jamal-kun.

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>>19194554
That's why I said "if I'm reading it right"
What does the 100 mean at the top then?

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>>19194557
yeah? what has that 2 months changed for you

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>>19194566
That the 20 new cards he learned resulted in a total of 100 reviews because he kept failing them.

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>>19194545
>Currently reading my 4th vn
That's great anon. I hope to get to that level soon.
Best of wishes to you too

[Anonymous No.]

any anki scholars know what this means

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>>19194571
Thanks. I'm not retarded anymore!

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>>19194567
2 months ago I knew no words, now I know some words

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>>19194586
no youre still retarded you are just not ignorant anymore

theres a difference

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>>19194590
So I was never retarded just ignorant and now I'm neither retarded nor ignorant!

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>>19194589
and what can you do with them

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>>19194493
Nips are so retarded, there are de-DRM tools for kobo or amazon, no need to printscreen the books.

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>>19194600
thats the right attitude to have attaboy

[Anonymous No.]

>feeling down about Japanese progress
>go listen to Hoshizuku Namida because it always cheers me up
>realize I can actually understand and read almost the entire song without needing to look up anything
is this what progress is like?

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good way to remember the 見つ vocabulary? Show, find, be visible, be found, etc.

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>>19194604
Not much, I can pick out some stuff from anime when I watch. I expect I'll find more use for them when I start reading in a week or two.

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>>19194615
anki

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>>19194615
watch anime

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>>19194618
how much subbed anime have you watched lifetime

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> What? We need to make something easy for new language learners to read?
> I know, let's just write everything in hiragana!

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>>19194619

I am doing Anki that's how I found them.

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>>19194629
keep doing it. You will learn eventually

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>>19194623
I have no idea, why would I bother keeping track of that?

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normie alert

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>>19194625

日本語の天気テレビ writes days in romaji sometimes which is really weird.

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>>19194615
At least in all those words 見 is "み".
Wait until you reach 上 and 下.

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>>19194625
just like remembering the kanji makes you remember the kanji

hiragana is easy to read once you learn a handful of cute little curvy characters

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>>19194413
>What should I do now? besides reading I mean.
Listening.

>Should I continue on to core6k?
No.

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10000 hours of anime or your gay

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>>19194638
That the best you've got?

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>>19194649
You missed the point of the post entirely.
Take any sentence longer than 5 words and replace all the kanji and katakana with hiragana. Shit becomes nearly unreadable, even for the japs.

[Anonymous No.]

Actual diagnosed ADD here, I struggled a lot early due to attention and university, at one point (3 months in or so) I had 63% retention with 20 new cards per day on Core. I decreased it to 10 or so for a few months, then did 7(core) + 7(mine), then when I reached 2000 in core I quit it and just did 15 of mining every day, now (10 months in) I'm mining 20 new words a day with a stable 80% retention (in the mining deck, core2k is 96% (so overall 87%).

Sure, the adderall neets here will probably call me retarded (I probably am) for being so slow to start with and I mean if I had done 20 words every day without decreasing rates and skipping I'd know 1500 words more by now, but it was a sacrifice I had to make and the situation is stabilized and I'm back to the target pace and I'll probably get to start my ADD meds soon.

Point is it gets better, if you're having trouble just chill at your own pace until you get a hang of it, you eventually will.

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>>19194662
that was my ive lost interest in you and couldnt care less if you fall into the abyss you are blindly marching towards comment

>>19194665
no i was expecting this kind of post to come so i could reply its not the hiraganas fault you dont know nihongo

and if its any kind of published material its spaced properly to make it actually impossible to fuck up unless you just dont know nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194665
Just like they are almost unable to understand speech. Sadly nobody invented spoken kanji yet so they are in quite a bind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19193171
>the same way most torrents are pretty much dead.
Torrents seem dead but usually at least one of them will be alive. It's just that since the original Nyaa went down, all the tracker info was lost so the new Nyaa isn't aware of the seeds on older torrents (especially on sukebei).

If you try downloading either the 2D.G.F. or GirlCelly release, usually one or both of those will be seeded. Also, pay attention to the column with the tick mark in it - that shows you how many people have successfully downloaded the torrent, so anything with a number higher than 0 in that column has a chance of being seeded.

[Anonymous No.]

has jamal ever been in a worse state than the last few weeks? he's been utterly embarrassing himself non stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194674
>Actual diagnosed ADD here,
Why are you implying the other anons who said they have ADD didn't get diagnosed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194674

Progress is progress. As long as you are moving forward, that's something to be proud of.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19192740
Grammar study is really not important. If you don't get it then just move on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194675
>spaced properly
Kind of wish they did that with normal text. Or at least did something so words didn't get broken over new lines.
But I guess I have to learn the language Japs actually use rather than one I'd like them to use.

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>>19194689
whats there to be embarrassed of im literally owning and givin nerds the real shit and you love me so much you wish you could get on my shit and have it push in your literal shit in instead of just your figurative shit that is frankly impacted at this point and needs examination from a fuckin proper proctology professional

>>19194699
you said something profound and good there keep that close to your chest and youll be fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194665
nah, it would be fine if they added spaces. see: pokemon in hiragana. it's actually legit pretty good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194674
>Actual diagnosed ADD here
>Sure, the adderall neets here will probably call me retarded
Anon...

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>>19194675
> unless you just dont know nihongo
Yes, that's what I said. I don't know nihongo, just like any beginner. And my question is why make it more it more difficult for us when you could just use furigana? You know, so we could identify the words we don't know yet.

>>19194676
anynativespeakeroreslstudentwithacoupleofyearsofexperiencecanreadthisasthereisnothingparticularlydifficultaboutthissentencebutitstillmakesyousquintalittledoesn'it

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>>19194691
I'm not saying they aren't but there are a lot of self diagnosed spergs/OCDs/ADDs (mostly normies) so I wanted to make sure no one thinks I'm just saying "haha I'm SOOO OCD I arranged my socks"
I should have dropped the "Actual", then it would sound less accusative.

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>>19194707
yikes

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>>19194717
This. When stuff is written in nothing but kana, they usually add spaces, in which case it's no problem at all.

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>>19194722
how is having something you can read versus something you cant more difficult

the problem lies with how youre learning nihongo not with the cute hiragana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194736
stop objectifying the hiragana u pedophile

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194721
Adderall is illegal practically everywhere in the first world except America. It's only used by despicable non-ADDs in med school to cram for 14 hours a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194722
>butitstillmakesyousquintalittledoesn'it
Not really. Anyway writing Japanese in kana/romaji (with spaces) wouldn't be a problem even for people like you, but I'm happy they didn't reform their outdated writing system, as it's a lot of fun to learn and keeps some of the idiots away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194728
you know the only words i can think of that rhyme with yikes are derogatory slang words

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194736
Sorry, I've seen way too many sentences in yotsuba that would be so much easier to understand if the author used the goddamn Chinese characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194753
because the way youre "learning" """nihongo""" is fucked up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194750
only dweebs use yikes

[Anonymous No.]

Hi! When I translate my name to japanese it looks like: ユリア (yuria), I know that it means urea so here is my question -will people who speak japanese look weirdly at that? Would they point it out or would they just not care?

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>>19194756
i agree

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>>19194746
Adderall is a prescription drug in the US, meaning it's still illegal in the same way as it is in other countries. Very similar drugs like modafinil are prescribed in Europe and other countries as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194750
Yikes, mikes that one unlucky kike.. Huh, you're right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194750
So much for being an epic rapper lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194755
Well then 日本語の正しい学び方を教えてください。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194761
it just sounds gay honestly

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194780
10000 hours of subbed anime
????
epic win for ftmfw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194761
Change your name to Julia.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm honestly at the point where I think jamal truly believes watching 10k hours of anime to be the best way to learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194761
go with yuri for short and then this should solve all of your issues https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=189QSTKC5no

>>19194807
who cares about best ways this thread still needs one working way

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>>19194807
>thinking about jamal
He has already won.

[Anonymous No.]

who the fuck is jamal? is that the nigger that keeps posting these jap rap videos? i'm not up to date on my djt lore

[Anonymous No.]

you just lost the fuckin game

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194795
That will take me approximately 40 years at the current rate though.
And I think I watch too much anime and fucks with my productivity, so make that 80 years.

[Anonymous No.]

when people talk about 10k subbed anime do they mean eng subs? Because if so its mostly pointless if you aren't active listening and most people aren't doing that when they are used to reading subs for years.

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>>19194811
>working way
It doesn't work though, if for no other reason than it being massively impractical, though it most likely just doesn't work in general.
>>19194812
You take these threads too seriously

[Anonymous No.]

actually i mean los subtítulos en español

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194842
10000 hours of anime is just a prereq though

and maybe if i put anime in quotes it would be easier to understand the point here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194848
Fuck off matt

[Anonymous No.]

*pulls off blackface to reveal the true face of jamal while stroking neckbeard*

[Anonymous No.]

Why haven't we put forth organized effort in propagating our memes to other sites? More to the point, why don't we have good memes?

[Anonymous No.]

highlighted the jug for the people who complain they can't see it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194895
read more is the best meme dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194903
What if I can't see the highlight
>>19194905
How do we propagate it then

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194903
Are you high? It's a normal bottle

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194915
まあtt please
at least be honest this once

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194895
good memes is an oxymoron but playing along i would cite lack of good posters and too many posters such as yourself who ask these questions instead of just make killer fuckin sick nasty epic for the win postz0rz

>>19194903
what kind of gross fuck puts his fresh sparkling spring water next to his dirty piss jug

[Anonymous No.]

by the way theres totally peepee in that jug

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194926
My memes are worse than my nihongo though

[Anonymous No.]

i mean you can clearly see the yellow liquid at the bottom of the jug
if you've ever seen a piss jug in your entire life there's only one conclusion to be made here

[Anonymous No.]

i just asked on his discord its a jug of lipton ice tea lol

[Anonymous No.]

Jamal being a subject matter expert when it comes to pissing in bottles, what a surprise.

[Anonymous No.]

i mean you guys can just go on matts channel and throw all ones ive thrown out casually off the cuff about him

まあ

has to rehearse reading muramasa and still get more words wrong than the average anki user doin flashcards in this thread

balding

pees in jugs

>>19194941
correction lipton iced pee

>>19194945
how do you think im able to post so much

[Anonymous No.]

what's your way to dekiruness? personally I've sworn to myself that I'll won't touch manga again until I know japanese, so I'm only "allowed" to read LN, novels or the news etc. and I'm sticking to it since almost a year now
and I swear this has nothing to do with the "manga isn't reading" autist (he does have a point though)

[Anonymous No.]

yeah of course he just has a huge fucking jug of piss yellow ice tea lying on the back of his room how silly I am
I hope he puts ice in there cause ice tea tastes pretty bad when warm lol

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>>19194941
inb4 the jug isn't there anymore next vid

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>>19194949
just to play a bunch of vns until i get to like 8-9k vocab
then move onto novels, regular and light

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194949
You decided to learn Japanese by avoiding a form of Japanese input? No wonder it's taken you a whole year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194980
you probably only read SoL moe shit where every second word is お兄ちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

mangas to read if you wanna learn real ninja nihongo:

gantz
naurto
air gear

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194997
Ｔｈａｔ’ｓ　ａｂｏｕｔ　ａｌｌ　ｙｏｕ　ｃａｎ　ｅａｓｉｌｙ　ｒｅａｄ　ｗｉｔｈ　９ｋ　ｗｏｒｄｓ　ｔｈｏｕｇｈ．

[Anonymous No.]

>For all other u-verbs: Replace the u-vowel sound with the a-vowel equivalent and attach 「ない」
What about verbs like 売る（うる) what's the a-vowel for that?

[Anonymous No.]

is there always a pronounced onyomi component to a word

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195038
占い；）

[Anonymous No.]

onyomi kunyomi its all macaroni to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195038
売らない

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃん
えっと
なんでもない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195054
Why did you respond?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195038
For some reason "sound" means "syllable" here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195006
>easily
You're missing the point, if something is easy to read then you won't learn anything by reading it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195054
>>19195064
thanks anons.

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>>19195057
何でもないなら、何も言うな。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195061
>inb4 waah, you're supposed to be responding, we're helping each other even when posts look like reddit-tier shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195057
おい
ここは禁煙だ

[Anonymous No.]

みんな元気?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195100
自殺したい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195082
Whom are you quoting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195105
まあそうしたいならそうすればいい

[Anonymous No.]

どくしょしてたら

きがついたらねてた

えへへ

[Anonymous No.]

うんこ食べよう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194949
After I finish RTK I'm going to start reading Japanese wikipedia articles on various interesting historical events but who knows how long that will last. I assume Jap wiki would be a pretty good place to mine sentences from but I don't know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19192454
Yeah that's likely the route i'll be going. Their return policy is really accommodating

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195211
That sounds really boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195211
I don't even understand the articles written in simple english on wikipedia. Why should I try reading that in a different language?

[Anonymous No.]

i better not catch you just reading wikipedia boundlessly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QKPi-FvPNM#t=28

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195237
>I don't even understand the articles written in simple english on wikipedia
How?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195237
Do you have brain damage?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195244
>>19195248
I'm esl

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195261
I guess I underestimate the difference between producing basic sentences like ours and being able to comprehend more domain-specific language on sites like wikipedia. I need to keep that in mind.

[Anonymous No.]

is there anything else i can do to improve my listening while watching anime? i usually rewind the same line repeatedly to see if i can discern what they're saying then give up and look at the jp sub and mine it

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>>19195261
Do you mean simple.wikipedia or the regular en.wikipedia? If it's the en one, the writing is usually atrocious, that might be why you aren't understanding something.

[Anonymous No.]

ねむい

がっこういってきます

ばいばい

[Anonymous No.]

いってらー

[Anonymous No.]

っしゃい

[Anonymous No.]

っしょー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195211
don't do that, in addition to that being the most boring format to read about anything interesting in, the language will be too challenging to be productive at that level

[Anonymous No.]

どうでもいいけどマカロンたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

Help, I'm losing motivation and haven't read or done anki in 3 days.
どうしよう

[Anonymous No.]

どうぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195396
just give up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195399
いやだ

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>>19195396
...set new cards per day to 0 and take as many days as necessary to slowly work through the backlog you've accumulated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194269
Manga is not reading though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195429

Neither is shit posting.

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>>19195464
cool we agree

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>>19195396
you lost motivation at a point where it took you three days without anki to reach 100 cards due? what the fuck else were you doing and how long have you been going because that's a really light workload to be overwhelmed by

[Anonymous No.]

I'm using tae kim's grammar guide and wondering if it is more worthwhile to spend time writing sentences/reviewing past sections or to just finish off the guide. Some grammar concepts are sticking better than others. Still working through core alongside this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195282
Do you listen to it a few more times after you look it up?

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>>19195486

Take a look at Manga the Japanese Way in the resources. It's way more approachable and follows core surprisingly well.

[Anonymous No.]

Is Duolingo a good starting point for someone that is starting from 0? I've watched 600+ anime but never opened a book about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195518
it'd be a much better book without romaji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195564
No. Use Genki or Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys think is the casual filter for the japanese langauge?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195579
katanakana
even our man steve can't handle it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195579
Not giving up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195579
Input and the work and motivation required to chip away at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>another day of finishing my anki reps
85% retention isn't great but hey, that's more day down toward fluency! be positive friends.

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>>19195570

Yeah. But concepts are still pretty solid. As long as you're doing proper vocab with it (and actually know the kana), it's still worth a look.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195564

Lingodeer is the only decent app for the language as a beginner, but once you begin to get comfortable you should really move on to something more substantial.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195611
Wish there was a proper pdf of it. I can't stand scans.

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>>19195396
HAHAHHAHAHAHA
I don't think you actually wanted to learn Japanese in the first place. If you can't motivate yourself to spend the 15 minutes it would take to knock that out, you clearly don't care. I review 400 words every day and add 20 and it usually takes me an hour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195622

The Mega in the reference section has a pdf as well as individual scans.

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>>19195579
being eop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195634
its still a scan and not a full digital book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195490
yeah one or two more times. Then I think how the hell does that sound like x and get sad...

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>>19195486
most of it wont stick and drilling it will only give you a false sense of understanding. get through the book having an idea of the kinds of things to look out for, and when you run into them in reading you will at least usually be able to distinguish them from the words and look it up again to check. real input is the only way to get it down well.

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>>19195643

Yeah. I picked up the physical for 20 bucks and I can kinda see why there isn't an ebook yet with how layouts often involve several vertical columns. Honestly of you have the cash I'd get physical. Flipping between pages to cross reference is kind of a bitch for digital books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19191844
I actually prefer that way of writing 最近 than the stale ass computer fonts

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>>19192199
It's grammatically correct, but nobody talks like that. Think of something like 書きをするのが好き. Although it's correct, nobody talks like that and it feels weird. I would personally say 漫画を読むことは読書だ but I also don't know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

漫画は読書に入る

[Anonymous No.]

>>19192501
yeah its gan. reading made me learn it. easy af bro

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはゲイに入る

[Anonymous No.]

>>19193241
read anime
watch manga
listen novels

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195476
>what the fuck else were you doing
fapping

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195579
unironically kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195627
I don't have as good memory as you. That doesn't mean I don't care or don't want to learn the language.
I'm just a bit discouraged at the lack of progress lately, I feel like I'm not improving anymore when I read.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread gives me gan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195579

Finding Japanese content that you actually want to consume.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195757
がんばれxD

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195756
all reading is improvement, minutes or hours
がんばってね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195771
Even if it doesn't feel like any progress or improvement is being made?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195762
がんばるしかないDx

[Anonymous No.]

中出ししかない

[Anonymous No.]

I want someone to pirate the Zero no Tsukaima and KoboSuba LNs from Japanese Audible.

Please and Thank You.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195774
duh, that's just how it works

[Anonymous No.]

どこに出して欲しいんだい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195814
What a coincidence, I already had the KonoSuba audio books downloaded in my computer. I'll try to get the other one later but here it is for now.
https://mega.nz/#!kTon1BYS!kqzOCGX-w6zN6fj2Rpxy6lievOTz-ZcLjW2Rih157cg

[Anonymous No.]

i bet thats fuckin porno

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195756
motivation has nothing to do with memory, you're skipping anki when it takes you 15-20 minutes to do, that's embarrassing, get some fucking discipline
it would be another story if you were spending 2 hours a day on anki and it was draining, but get your shit together
how long have you felt like you aren't making progress? what are you reading and how much do you understand?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195819
We have enough shit in this thread already without you linking that all the time. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195823
anki took me two hours to do with 15 new cards before I dropped it
anki is not a 15-20 minute thing for people with retarded memories

[Anonymous No.]

Is the video good at least? Can someone describe it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195823
>how long have you felt like you aren't making progress
maybe about a month

>what are you reading
yotsubato, nhk easy, hanahira

>how much do you understand?
yotsubato? most of it
nhk easy? maybe half of it
hanahira? probably less than half

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>>19195829
i'm going off of the image the dude posted, i know some people have legitimate issues with it
it's probably because you used meme core instead of mining words you actually have seen before but i don't blame you for being demotivated when anki takes so much time away from reading, i blame someone who says woe is me it's been 3 days and i have 100 cards due btw i'm not reading either

[Anonymous No.]

Jeesh did I have a bad day. Been averaging 70% at 30 minutes for the past week. I promise I'll make it up to all of you.

[Anonymous No.]

i wouldnt be surprised if 0 people here understood hanahira

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195845
i switched to mining and my flashcard time didn't change

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195837
Yotsubato isn't reading, it's manga.
Keep reading VNs that's where it's at.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195854
explain to me why vns are reading

[Anonymous No.]

because

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195655
thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195655
thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>cowtits
naisubadee more like fat cow

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195655
thanks

[Anonymous No.]

Hey that's my aunt you are talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195847
The thing is that very few people in general have the level of reading comprehension or education necessary to really start to approach interpreting and understanding はなひら！ on anything but a surface level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195814
how hard is it to get like 100￥ lol

[Anonymous No.]

「fat cow」でいい

[Anonymous No.]

VNs are fapping not reading

[Anonymous No.]

fapping is reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195819
I got a warning for reporting this post, so make sure to report me right here where I say that it's literally linking to NSFW porn and has nothing to do with what it says it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195837
>nhk easy
>one month
holy fuck read an actual news site already

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195864
>>19195870
>>19195876
no, thank you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195878
who pushed the idea that hanahira was a good reading choice for new tyler kim technical institute grads anyway

that shit was around before i found djt i think

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195900
haha that's fucking hilarious dude
also sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195901
I can barely even understand nhk easy though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195900
/jp/ is a red board

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195914
No?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195916
one look at the catalogue says it all

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195916
He's obviously color blind

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195900
maybe dont be a reporting baby and fuckin handle shit yourself i even warned yall it was prolly porno because i know whats up im here all day serving you of no benefit to myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195916
he's making a joke
because 日の丸
get it
it would be funnier if it was china though

[Anonymous No.]

me chinese me play joke me put peepee in the jugs
-まあtto 2069

[Anonymous No.]

If AJATT works then why does Matt speak English all day?

[Anonymous No.]

AMATT (All まあ All the Time)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195933
まあまあ

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that you losers are just jelly because Matt is a much better person than you will ever be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195938
>lend
being a banker is no good

[Anonymous No.]

he lends manga to them so they can teach him the words he cant read

as a side is "fuck ass ochimpo" the greatest lyric of all time? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrMELtsHiSs#t=71

[Anonymous No.]

「けど」 and 「が」 do not always express a direct contradiction. Sometimes, the English “and” becomes a closer translation than “but”. Why???

[Anonymous No.]

>>19193066
just learned my first 1000 kanji and i can't use them i need a deck for grammar
HELP

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195949
Logically, "and" and "but" are equivalent though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19193241
youtube
>>19193255
>>19193256
>>19193278
anime speak is too clear and it won't prepare you for the real word

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195949
dont worry about a translation cause youll find those two words dont accurately reflect those at all a lot of times

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195960
リア充死ねxDDD

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195960
its not 10000 hours of anime and you are nihongo adept it is 10000 hours of anime or your gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195960
>real word
Who the fuck cares.
Learn nihongo for anime/VNs/whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195949
That's just Tyler Kim being too lazy to explain how けど is used like all the time with のだ to provide context for what someone will say next

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195962
>>19195963
i'm speaking from experience you smiley nerds

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195972
オラァってヲタクじゃねぇ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195972
oh ok thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195972
that's just because you don't know japanese not because you tried to learn from anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195972
liked and subscribed

[Anonymous No.]

>learn real world nihongo
>can't apply it to animu
What's the point?

[Anonymous No.]

just believe in 10000 hours of anime and youll be ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195986
That's like 26,000 episodes ;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195814
I recently made a japanese amazon account and hooked it up with my android app, haven't bought anything yet but dabbled with samples with a japanese > english dictionary and honestly its pretty good. Anyone tried buying anything with it? do they care about international cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195980
i also forgot to mentions how repetitive the dialogs in anime too
>>19195981
stay toned
>>19195984
manga is better :^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195992
yeah I order from there sometimes. for international shipping its ridiculously quick

[Anonymous No.]

>>19193850
Share them here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195995
but manga is just anime on a page and doesnt move

if you watch your 10000 hours of anime youre gonna literally know what every manga says without even having to know the kanjis and other misc shit youre gonna just know the words before you look up the kanjis and youre just gonna be high fiving yourself all day cuz youre basically on the fast track to nihongo success once you start pluggin the shit in

its truly epic and for the win

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195999
I'm talking about kindle purchases, all digital.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195999
Do they ship books and manga to the US again? For a couple months they had stopped and I haven't tried since.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196004
In the past I shared what I bought and made do with reading bought stuff with most of the images removed. Now I'm thinking about buying more stuff, but this shitty converting problem makes me wonder if it's even worth the money.

[Anonymous No.]

可愛いアニメ少女の美味しいうんこが好き

[Anonymous No.]

>>19193241
I watch streamers in japanese, I learn all kinds of wonderful things like え? and まじかいよ! or くっそたれ!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196021
おシッコのほうがおいしいですけど

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196032
どちもおいしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195757

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196011
idk about manga but they definitely ship LNs. if you buy a set, though, do know the rates will eat your wallet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196016
I can convert them for you with the images using a custom script.

[Anonymous No.]

It's been a full hour and a direct link to an in-browser video player for JAV on a blue board thread that doesn't have anything to do with porn, where the person who posted it was saying it's something else, still isn't deleted yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196009
you may as well continuously transfer money between bank accounts in different countries if you want international transaction fees for nothing tangible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196051
The screenshot lends a lot of credence to the theory people have been talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196063
Some shit ain't available unless you buy it, you mong. Sadly especially true with weeb content as Elevens are retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196051
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr8-E8may2Y#t=221

わかったか

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196069
I'm not saying to not buy things. I'm saying it's kind of pointless buying something digital. If you don't hold it, you don't own it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196031
そのイメージは、食べたい
少女を

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196031
nice burgers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196077
De-DRM and you own it. Sometimes a digital format is preferable (no waiting for shipment, enables texthoking, better portability if you use an e-book reader, etc.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196069
have you ever considered that maybe you're the retarded one here for not having a good job and being able to pay for things

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196097
misquote

[Anonymous No.]

How safe is it to buy shit from the japanese kindle store without a JP IP? will they eventually block your account? Any VPN suggestions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196104
no it wasn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196109
Bu8t I'm the one defending the anon that is buying things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196107
just buy whatever isn't blocked in your country; that covers a fuckton of things for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196107
>eventually
Maybe, I'm still OK though.

[Anonymous No.]

as time goes on less and less online merchants from japan will realize that money from outside of the country is nice too dont worry about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196051
it's been 28 hours since it was posted last thread in the same manner, don't worry about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196113
your reading comprehension is as terrible as the anon that called me a mong

see:
>>19195999
>>19196046
>>19196063
>>19196077
>>19196115

Where am I advocating piracy? I just think buying digital is stupid since I prefer tangible media

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196107

They don't give a shit. They just might not be able to ship certain things to you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196115
so it's only an issue if you live in the US or some big western country then? I live in bumfuck nowhere (MENA) so should I assume I won't have any issues?

[Anonymous No.]

pirated manga is not reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196128
Remember how the shits from /qa/ used the argument that we didn't self moderate to get us off of /a/? Now we've just given up?

[Anonymous No.]

>買い

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196130
>Where am I advocating piracy?
Point where you think I claimed that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196134
Amazon probably only has a license to sell ebooks in Japan. So if you aren't in Japan, you will have problems.

[Anonymous No.]

please dont guys go back to talking about oishi unko im sorry the thread doesnt give me gan its actually great i didnt mean it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196138
>not supporting your friendly overworked manga/LN authors.
I would back you up if it was some disney movie or some shit but these guys aren't that rich.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196134
I might be wrong, but I think a lot of the LNs they block in the US are because the copyright doesn't exist here (yet).

tl;dr: you're probably fucked

>>19196142
see >>19196097 >>19196113

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196130
I called you a mong for mindlessly attacking anon that wants to buy digital. There are multiple reasons to do so, see >>19196095

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196153
Copyright among almost all developed countries is global. They blog it because of legal red tape.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196166
Then the other anon just needs to hope that amazon isn't having issues shipping to his country, otherwise nearly everything is blocked for a good week or two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196107
my understanding is that it's the same as using a proxy to watch japanese netflix: they might make it harder occasionally so that they can say they're "doing something about it" since there are licensing issues, but they're not going to fucking block you. they like all customers equally, and though they can't say it, they're happy to have you circumvent any restrictions if it means you spend more money.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196153
Not sure how you managed to misunderstand me so badly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196168
They fixed shipping physicals from amazon.co.jp weeks ago. It was a temporary issue caused by software/data upgrades.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the first kanji in this line?
Weird guy - I couldn't find it on jisho with a radical search and stroke count, let alone drawing it in.
(It is from a new dark souls trailer)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196176
then idk why he hasn't gone on amazon.co.jp and browsed things he might be interested in getting

>>19196159
I'd understand texthooking maybe for manga, but idk about LNs where sometimes even something as simple as 状況 has furigana for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196182
隻 use http://ce.linedict.com/dict.html#/cnen/home thank me later

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196172
>>19196153
Let me explain it.
A wants to buy sth. B (you) attack him. I defend him. >>19196097 gets posted for some reason as if I weren't defending buying shit. I write that it makes no sense (>>19196113). THE END
Never did I claim anything about you advocating piracy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196182
隻腕

if you weren't retarded you could have just rikai'd it in the fucking video description or title

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196182
Nevermind my question - i'm a dumbass it is a title 隻狼

[Anonymous No.]

oh jesus

[Anonymous No.]

Hard to say piracy is a lost sale if they weren't letting you buy it to begin with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196189
>texthooking maybe for manga
Did you mean OCR + lookup (e.g. KanjiTomo)?
>idk about LNs where sometimes even something as simple as 状況 has furigana for some reason
Don't be shocked, but not everybody is fluent in spoken Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196208
これ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196208
well see it from the seller's perspective. 99% of people overseas pirate; that's why many Japanese firms are reluctant to bother selling overseas

>>19196210
l can understand using a texthooker when the author is being chuuni all the time. You don't have to be fluent in spoken Japanese to be able to search up じょうきょう on jisho, though

[Anonymous No.]

Will amazon still ask you to input an address if you buy using a giftcard? I could potentially get a amazon.jp gift card off play asia or some shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196228
Texthooking is much quicker, that's why people do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196228
cause and effect
also, i'm not the only one who has bought things i pirated because i like them, looking at raw estimates of piracy is naive

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196236
search 'fake japanese address'

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196251
just use 420-6969

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195819
poor guy cut so tight i doubt he feels anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196251
I know of a few websites I can use, I just want to avoid that hassle.

[Anonymous No.]

by the way you need a vpn if you want to get more than like 5 kindle items

[Anonymous No.]

Someone please post that picture of Dies Irae with matt vs japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196277
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196283

You're a god

ありがとう　
初めまして

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196269
Any that work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196277
>>19196283
>>19196291
same fag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196292
amazon doesn't try to block VPNs for normal shopping so any legit one will work. i use privateinternetaccess.

>>19196295
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196295

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196295

What would I win samefagging? lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196283
this is bait, RTK is part of DJT

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196310
RTK 1 and 3 are, but not RTK 2

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196298
figured, any that are free though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196310
ノットディスシットアゲン

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196315
pirate a vpn it aint hard

[Anonymous No.]

rtk btfo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196228

Piracy is quite literally a service problem. Make it a bitch to get shit and people will find another way.

[Anonymous No.]

djt will figure out the solution to internet piracy before figuring out the solution to nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196358
Paying money is difficult? Using one of your friends in the country, if necessary, is difficult? Even if you suck at communication, there are proxies, you know. There's various ways to buy things even if they're blocked. Just admit that you're too cheap to pay 500~600￥ already.

Here is something interesting from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management
>Ubisoft broke with the tendency to use online DRM in late 2008, with the release of Prince of Persia as an experiment to "see how truthful people really are" regarding the claim that DRM was inciting people to use illegal copies.[32] Although Ubisoft has not commented on the results of the "experiment", Tweakguides noted that two torrents on Mininova had over 23,000 people downloading the game within 24 hours of its release.[33]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196389
i am blown away by the idiocy of this post on many levels

[Anonymous No.]

We need our very own djt private tracker.
No invites, interview only.
To get in you have to make Nukemarine say "日本語上手ね"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196315
Any free VPN is just harvesting your data or using you as part of a botnet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196415
You're blown away by facts? Don't worry, so are most Americans, it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196426
listing arbitrary uncorrelated facts does not constitute a cohesive argument no matter how sold you are on them being such
a pain in the ass is a pain in the ass and there are many caveats you are conveniently ignoring
everyone hates ubisoft and wants them to crash and burn regardless of if they choose to make a publicity stunt or not, and no one has ever made such an absurd claim that lack of drm would mean zero piracy
analyzing piracy by looking at seed count is incredibly naive

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196448
>indirect measurements are naive
Even assuming that true, please tell me how purchasing a book is a "pain in the ass" nowadays. It's been made so simple yet you idiots still pirate, so clearly it is not a service problem, it is a problem of your own greed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196381
that's not fair considering nihongo is LITERALLY impossible to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196457
lets be real if everyone could walk 5 minutes down the street to the nearest book off and thumb through a bunch of fresh 本s they would probably just buy them instead of jump through hurdles on the internet or whatever when they can just get it for free with less effort in digital form via piracy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196472
nah most people would still download a car because there's the opportunity to save money

[Anonymous No.]

id download a car even if i had all the money in the world just to be able to say i downloaded a car lol

[Anonymous No.]

youd download a car cuz thats typically a bigger financial investment

but to physically have all those mystical nihongo books that you think are full of magic till you actually can read them and find that they are barren wastelands the djt boys would much prefer thatだと思います

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196496
its the djt boys fault in picking only 異世界 crapなのではないでしょうかと思われております。

[Anonymous No.]

no no i dont think you get it its not about the money who the fuck wouldnt download a fucking car itd be like taking an airplane to the medieval ages its literally magic

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196283
Reddit hates RTK. At least DJT understands the theoretical purpose of RTK - they just think it's boring and unneeded. Whereas redditors think RTK is WaniKani light.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJPQEVnr0fg

What the fug. Is Korean basically just Japanese with different vocab? No wonder Koreans learn it so easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196511
>korean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t35H2BVq490
やめて

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>>19196457
possible is different from simple and accessible. it is disingenuous to pretend the examples you've listed are not a service problem. keep blaming greed, it's easier if you have a target. let's back up something that actually is relevant to further up the reply chain:
the claim was that japanese firms are reluctant to sell overseas because of piracy. the subject of piracy of media not officially sold overseas is largely irrelevant to such a claim. there is no measure of how much is imported because it is not imported by the distribution, it is imported by various third parties. the amount of "legal" overseas interest is hard to estimate. the relevant measure is of piracy of media that is licensed, or piracy of western media that would drum up a fear.
if you had a clue what you were talking about, you would have better presented yourself recycling the usual argument: if you want more japanese media available in your country, buy what is available to you through official sources to show it is worthwhile for them to do. importing with a proxy does not go far to accomplish that.
i'm surprised you didn't go for that considering you went so far as to defend drm. it's still a shit argument, by the way, but it's less embarrassingly naive.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19193711
There is a better way.
Go here - https://video.fluentcards.com/
just do what it says on the page - drag and drop your video and subtitles file onto it.
You can click on lines in the right window to skip to that line or replay it.
All lines are picked up by yomichan.

Also, I have saved that webpage locally and it works fine offline since yomichan uses offline dictionaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196500
lucky for me im like 1 or 2 decades out of touch that im not phased by the 異世界ブーム

>>19196511
korean is just better nihongo with the added bonus of having a readable written language

>>19196540
that shits the wrong way dont do that if you value your life

[Anonymous No.]

Is the fastest and best way to build vocab and grammar skills VNs? LNs feel a lot tougher for me than VNs.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196561
vns are possibly the greatest language learning tool known to mankind

[Anonymous No.]

>>19193711
>>19196540
The only excuse for using subtitles is if you're a sentence card fag and need to verify a line that you want to make a card from.

Watching anime with subtitles is (sub-par) reading practice, not listening practice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196561
Of course, just be sure to pick one that looks like it'll drop a Wikipedia copy-paste info dump on something like philosophy, economics, quantum physics, etc on you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196567
If only there were more decent ゲイ専用 ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196555
koreans cant even read their own shit from 70 years ago. how readable is korean compared to english?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196567
Is it easy to copy paste and look up words from VNs? I thought the text would be built into the game or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196579
texthookers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196581
Oh that's cool as shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196577
just as readable as english letters or kana dude

you learn how to read the hanguls fast when you play those grindy korean net games

>>19196589
its not cool as shit trust me

[Anonymous No.]

The real question is why would you want to learn Korean. I mean, do they have any auteurs on the same level as people like Romeo-sama, SCA-Ji or Nisio Isin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194791
>>19194799
>>19194811

Please stop responding to r*ddit posts

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196601
the real question at hand, dawg, is why you're learning japanese to read those guys' work when it's gonna take 6 years of nose to the grindstone to comprehend 5% of what they're trying to get across to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196614
I don't care. Even if it takes decades, I'm willing to dedicate my entire life to the Herculean task that is unraveling the mysteries of Romeo Tanaka's exquisite, oneiric prose.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196601
i mean thats why koreans like to learn nihongo too

youre gonna need a different set of interests to find korean a worthwhile pursuit

>>19196614
i wouldnt say its that extreme since the finer parts of some of those guys works go right over the heads of the intended readers anyway

but like in the case of romeo once you start consulting with others about his work youre basically doing what he wants anyway so mission accomplished

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196624
do you have anything solid indicating to you that you wont be disappointed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196593
>just as readable as english letters
so why can I read a poem from 16th century but koreans cant do the same?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196637
idk about stuff like that i just learned how to read them for videogames

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196637
>he thinks he understands 16th century poetry
unless you look up what words meant back then you're getting 5% of the meaning out of them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196632
Of course not, as their oeuvres don't deal with the solid, but with the ethereal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196614
> it's gonna take 6 years of nose to the grindstone to comprehend 5% of what they're trying to get across to you
You're clearly overstating the complexity of the language. Are you looking for a subjectively valid reason to give up? Why are you here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196601
They have great directors. Chang-dong Lee, Joon-ho Bong, Chan-wook Park, Ki-duk Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196614
Have you really not heard of AJATT? 1 year and you can read most manga and understand most words in anime. 2 years and you can read all manga and understand virtually all anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196643
at least I can read it aloud. koreans probably cant even recognize their own language from those times

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196650
That's nice and all but manga isnt reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196650
why is matt still speaking only english after 6+ years then

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196666
don't be obtuse, he also speaks fluent まあ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196666
He has unlisted videos of himself speaking Japanese but you have to pay to see them.

[Anonymous No.]

i found the solution to piracy: communist revolution

no point pirating if the people own it already

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196664
https://www.strawpoll.me/15808505/r

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196672
how much? id be willing to leak them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196675
russians rigged it
99% of people say manga is compelling comprehensive input of reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196690
presumably he's talking about the $5 patreon tier

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195006
with 9k words you can read many newly released LNs provided theyre not chuuni shit… otherwise, your 9k words probably include verb conjugations and grammar rather than actual vocabulary

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196303

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196744
yo i think your screens dirty. theres tiny chips on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196735
should you only mine new words while only dealing with conjugations through exposure

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196751

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196757
あのペニス液の鬼ってだーれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196754
Why would you need to mine conjugations? There are 2 irregular verbs in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196570
>can't understand spoken English at all (despite being almost fluent at reading)
>watch TV series with English subs for a year
>can understand spoken English
Checkmate, eschatologists!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196778
You are completely correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19191844
That Ω way to write the top of 最 is really pretty and smooth.

[Anonymous No.]

I want Kaufman to upload a video of what his typical hour of language learning per day looks like. Such as the kind of material he reads, how quickly, how many words he saves, which words he prioritizes, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196785
I know I am, despite the flippant tone of my post it's based on my experience with learning English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196796
If it helps I learned to understand spoken Japanese from watching tons of anime with English subtitles. Of course I couldn't ~actually~ understand anything until I learned to ~read~ Japanese, but at that point I didn't have to put in any listening practice at all, the latent ability was already there and learning to read unlocked it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196778
how similar is your native language to english, just curious

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196802
Do you mean that you could already hear/recognize individual words in Japanese, but that you couldn't understand them until you learned to read? I think I recognize words in that they don't sound like gibberish to me. However my vocab sucks so I don't actually understand most of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196802
does this mean mentally converting audio to phonemes? i started watching anime so long ago i don't ever remember a time when i couldn't pick out 95% of the phonemes, so i have no idea if that's something that people need exposure in order to do, or it's just easy because japanese phonology is small.
in my opinion, aside from really unclear speech which doesn't occur very much in anime anyway, listening practice is more about keeping up with the conversation than about hearing what was said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196811
>Do you mean that you could already hear/recognize individual words in Japanese, but that you couldn't understand them until you learned to read?
Yes. I already had mental dictionaries for the most common several thousand words, including the different uses of homophones and an accurate understanding of pitch accent and prosody. I just didn't have the mental machinery for correctly parsing or generating things because the English subs basically acted as a barrier that caused language deprivation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196778
Your brain still relies on subtitles too much when you can't understand the actors' mumbling. And they mumble all the fucking time, and as quietly as possible, so that every time you turn up the volume trying to understand what they are saying you get ear raped by the sound of a mug hitting the floor or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196805
In what way?
>pronunciation
We don't have some of the vovels and consonants English has.
>grammar
Completely different I guess since we actually have lots of inflection (accidence) rules, virtually no foreigner is able to fully master it. I don't actually feel like learning Japanese grammar is all that harder than learning English grammar was.
>vocab
Some advanced vocab is similar, since both languages have a lot of latin words among the more erudite vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196837
So what language is that? Spanish?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196845
Polish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196540
That looks like a good solution, and certainly more convenient and easy to set up than mine, but it's nowhere near as comfy. That interface is cancer, and I've scarcely seen worse font rendering than on the bottom there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196850
Idk, I feel like Russian (close enough to Polish) and English are basically the same language when I read something in Japanese and see how different their logic is from ours.
We all use question words and directly translatable conjunctions to introduce subordinate clauses, the word order is similar in many ways ("a big red dog" vs "a red big dog", whichever feels more natural to you is also natural for a native English speaker, you don't need to memorize any special grammar rules unlike Asians for example), etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196506
thanks for this I really appreciate being informed about what reddit thinks
keep me posted

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196919
Who gives a fuck what you think. That advice is for the new official DJT image.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196925
the only way discussing what changes should be made to the image could be more depressing is if the changes got made

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196514
> (Comment) 俺がTWICEを好きになったきっかけのMV
Did I spot a dekinai or am I a dekinai? Why is "TWICE" a direct object?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196944
http://r-cube.ritsumei.ac.jp/repo/repository/rcube/1419/L599higasiya.pdf
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/3473/%E3%82%92-vs-%E3%81%8C-with-use-against-%E5%A5%BD%E3%81%8D

[Anonymous No.]

How do you transition into watching anime that isn't SoL or CGDCT? I just can't pick up on the less commonly heard vocabulary if they're talking about things that aren't related to everyday life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196952
the same way you transitioned to watching the garbage you watched in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196952
Watch Haibane Renmei and transition from that to Lain and from that the world is your 2deep4u oyster

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196950
This fucking language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196961
So just do it and accept that you're not going to understand everything at first and eventually you'll pick up words that you're learning via reading?
>>19196963
>Haibane Renmei
頑張ります。ありがとう先輩

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196971
Just use subtitles until your vocabulary is big enough to understand at least 90% without looking anything up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196979
B-b-but subtitles are poor reading practice like that anon said above, r-r-r-right?
Nah, I'll do it.
Unfortunately for me, kitsunekko doesn't have Haibane Renmei.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196992
why are you using anime to learn vocabulary
just read and once you know lots of words you can watch anime easy
also dont watch haibane if you cant understand what theyre saying because its actually good

[Anonymous No.]

>>19197000
>why are you using anime to learn vocabulary
This is me >>19196971
I gave into anon's suggestion since I'm already at 9k ankis.
>also dont watch haibane if you cant understand what theyre saying because its actually good
I've been on a streak of watching shitty anime for this very reason and it burned me out until I watched this gem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196992
> B-b-but subtitles are poor reading practice like that anon said above, r-r-r-right?
It sort of is, but if you don't understand half of what you hear, it's difficult to pick out unknown words using only your hearing. But at the same time, Japanese subs are not the same as English subs, you do listen to what the characters say so you get used to the way the words you already know _sound_ in a sentence. Reading can't give you that.

[Anonymous No.]

>Matt VS Japan
>4 months ago
>Yes, you can easily learn to read kanji just fine without anything like RTK. Actually, that is what I did, as when I first started AJATT I ignorantly used "lazy kanji" and ended up having to delete my whole deck a few months after finishing. And just as you, I had (almost) no trouble learning how to recognize characters. If you truly have zero interest in being able to write characters out by hand, then I would pretty much say it's fine to skip RTK.
Wait so Matt actually agrees with you guys?

[Anonymous No.]

>writing

[Anonymous No.]

>writing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19197000
>why are you using anime to learn vocabulary
Someone else, but I make audio flashcards using anime. They make for more fun and easily learnable cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19197501
How long have you been doing that and how many cards do you have?

[Anonymous No.]

Why is it that official Japanese subs are so hard to come by? About the only anime studio that seems to put them out consistently is KyoAni, but besides that you rarely ever find them outside of movies.

Also, when there are actually official subs, why do so many people insist on converting them to .SRT format knowing that the OCR process involved is going to result in a bunch of errors?

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>>19197627
About 3 months with 1028 cards, but I do have to say that I probably invest less than 2 hours average per day in Japanese (and sometimes I only do my reviews) as I am busy with other things so I am hardly a good example for what a consistent and efficient learner would achieve using the same method. My total deck size (including audio anime cards) is 9389 with 132 unseen cards.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

ぺたぺた

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196540
>error loading try a different file
>error loading try a different file
>error loading try a different file

awesome

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196952
Your first mistake is that you didn't start with Naruto.

[Anonymous No.]

なにこの

なぞのナルトおし

にほんとう（カタナ）もちでてこないのに

[Anonymous No.]

またそんな戯言が

[Anonymous No.]

だって

だって

だって

にんじゃって

ナルトみたいなことしないじゃん

[Anonymous No.]

忍びとはなんですか

[Anonymous No.]

俺様は忍者
ナルト見たいなことします

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198254
えいごでいうと

さいれんと・あさ↑しん

だとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>だとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198263
しのびなさいよ

みつかったら

ただの

コスプレ

[Anonymous No.]

You can learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198449
いや、無理。血に繋がることだよ。遺伝子です。

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198466
あたしは日本語をできない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19196903
Maybe there're many grammar similarities I don't even realise. Not sure how much it matters when it comes to listening practice and I stand by my previous words that learning Japanese grammar isn't harder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19197636
Elevens don't put subs on the BDs for the convenience of deaf people? What dicks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198513
>Elevens
>convenience of deaf people
WWWWWWWWWWWW

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198523
Yeah, I knew they are dicks, but I didn't expect they would happily lose customers when pandering to deaf costs them close to nothing (they have the script, they could even reuse simulcasts' timing, one day of work for some monkey that isn't doing anything important anyway).

[Anonymous No.]

have you ever considered what it would be like to be deaf and watch anime

you watch a bunch of pans and zooms and cheap animation and mouth flaps move up and down

take the hint and `*~~--_~_~__read_~*~*~+_--` manga

[Anonymous No.]

past tense is fucking stupid holy crap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198466
けっかいげんかい？

[Anonymous No.]

>started studying more than 2 weeks ago
>still going full steam ahead
wtf, I thought i would lose motivation in like a week like with everything else i get into.

[Anonymous No.]

If youn't lose motivation in a year, then you stand some chance

[Anonymous No.]

What's wrong with doing RTK before learning vocab?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198796
You don't know what it's for and therefore will waste most of the good it can do you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19197785
ぐぬぬ...

[Anonymous No.]

I've always wondered. When an rtkfag wants to type in or look up a certain kanji, how do they do it?

[Anonymous No.]

RTK introduces "kanji names" as a tool to help you memorise kanji, but in the end it's just redundant information. Kanji meanings are best inferred through words. As for readings, there's no way to learn them consistently except by learning words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198800
What do you think it's for then?

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>>19198825
Forcibly rewiring your brain for the few people for whom it refuses to rewire itself.

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>>19198813
No one here wants to write any Japanese.
Many dictionaries have ways to look up kanji you don't know the reading of.
Most people here either do RTK because it's in the guide without understanding what it's for, or avoid doing it without understanding what it's for. Despite the fact that the cover of the book tells you exactly what it's for.

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>>19198832
RTK isn't for remembering the kanji though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198832
>No one here wants to write any Japanese.
I do

[Anonymous No.]

theres nothing wrong with rtk

think of it like a reverse osmosis water system

you have to waste a lot of water to get a little bit of good water out of it and the process takes some time

or you could just go to the springs of fiji and drink nothing but good water in the first place from the getgo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198833
It is, it's for when the random scribbles look the same to you and you can't normally bruteforce vocab at all (poor whatsisname, spatial(?) memory).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198833
Then what's it for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198843
You're pretty much alone then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198846
No it's not.

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>>19198856
you literally highlighted random shit instead of the word remember

stop posting re-re

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198864
>the method offers a new perspective from which to learn the kanji.
Literally the last statement in the very first paragraph.

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>>19198796
It's just pointless for 99% of people here. Even the e-celeb who champions RTK admitted that "you can skip RTK" if you don't plan on writing and that he didn't use RTK when he started learning but could still recognize kanji fine.

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>>19198847
What's wrong with RTK is that the 100 daily reviews + new Kanji I have to learn are annoying as fuck because I'm not even learning actual Japanese while doing it. I know that's what it's for, but what it's for is pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198864

[Anonymous No.]

so dont do rtk its fuckin gay

spend your day working towards 10000 hours of anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198880
Moreover, RTK is not necessary even for writing if you do writing practice and can think of your own mnemonics here and there.
t. writingfag

[Anonymous No.]

furthermore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9aGOpjqAW3M

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>>19198890
Also it doesn't actually teach you how to write. If you want to learn to write you have to pen out passages of text - whether you composed them or not - not individual characters in isolation. You would not get good at handwriting English by writing out isolated letters or words. Words connect to each other.

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>>19198754
Good job dude, you probably have 1% of the way behind you now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198900
I mean sure but if you want to write properly then you should learn to write individual characters before writing sentences, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198885
Literally on the cover.
Though you can easily take issue with the words "complete" (because it isn't) and "meaning" (because he uses single keywords [mostly]).

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>>19198911
Taglines are not an announcement of purpose and also he systematically refers to keywords as meanings until the edition-specific forewords showing that the entire system was designed under the delusion that keywords are meanings.

[Anonymous No.]

the text on the interior pages has a higher degree of authority on what a book is about than the cover obviously

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>>19198900
Write as in "scribing text", not "coming with passages of text to scribe". As long as inscribing goes, I'm sure it comes down to writing individual characters, since there's no cursive writing styles that would connect individual characters together in Japanese (unlike English)

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>>19198915
Oh, before you take issue with this, by "refers to" I don't mean that he doesn't call them keywords, but rather that he operates as though keywords are literally meanings.

[Anonymous No.]

I hope no one here actually fell for the watch 10000 hours of anime meme, that's something you should do after finishing a core deck and at least a year of mining.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198915
It's a description, and it describes accurately and concisely what the book is for. And I literally just said that the use of the word "meaning" is dubious there.

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>>19198921
>As long as inscribing goes, I'm sure it comes down to writing individual characters, since there's no cursive writing styles that would connect individual characters together in Japanese (unlike English)
This part of your post has no basis in reality.

[Anonymous No.]

https://streamable.com/35fnb

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>>19198927
Except it doesn't. RTK's introduction directly contradicts what you are trying to say RTK is for. Read it before you shill it.

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>>19198917
Nothing in the interior contradicts that cover though.
>>19198932
I've read it, and no it doesn't. Certainly none of the passages you highlighted do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198856
I mean that's what the retard intended it for, that's not what it is for (or at least not all it is for as I have to begrudgingly accept some anons ITT actually want to handwrite).

[Anonymous No.]

I'm thinking nobody actually gets RTK done in the time you are supposed to and instead everyone goes and procrastinates by wasting time on DJT, hence the unending RTK shitposting.

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>>19198928
Teach me if there are. But I think they must be at least uncommon, since if you look at 原稿用紙 the spaces for individual characters are separated.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198921
>>19198948
Traditional writing connects them, but yeah, in modern times almost nobody uses that.

[Anonymous No.]

How many people do you think give up after the beginner stage? Say, 500 hours into it. How many of those will go on to reach 3000 hours?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198937
Heisig:
>The aim of this book is to provide the student of Japanese with a simple method for correlating the writing and the meaning of Japanese characters in such a way as to make them both easy to remember.
>Meantime, remembering the meaning and the writing of the kanji—perhaps the single most difficult barrier to learning Japanese—can be greatly simplified if the two are isolated and studied apart from everything else.
>Each kanji is assigned a key word that represents its basic meaning, or one of its basic meanings. The key words have been selected on the basis of how a given kanji is used in compounds and on the meaning it has on its own.
>By simplifying the meanings through the use of key words, however, one becomes familiar with a kanji and at least one of its principal meanings.
(Ignoring the million lines where he says "primitive meanings", which is obviously wrong considering how brain damaged many of Heisig's primitive meanings are)
>It will soon become apparent that the most critical factor is the order of learning the kanji.
Editor's note: "order of learning the kanji" is in italics.
>The method presented here needs to be learned step by step, lest one 3nd oneself forced later to retreat to the first stages and start over; 20 or 25 characters per day would not be excessive for someone who has only a couple of hours to give to study.
>In the fourth place, it is important to note that the best order for learning the kanji is by no means the best order for remembering them. They need to be recalled when and where they are met, not in the sequence in which they are presented here. For that purpose, recommendations are given in Lesson 5 for designing flash cards for random review.
>That having been said, the goal of this book is still to attain native proficiency in writing the Japanese characters and associating their meanings with their forms.

You:
>>RTK isn't for remembering the kanji though.
>It is

I think I'm going to trust what RTK actually says it's for and not some random asshole who can't read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19194056

[Anonymous No.]

RTK is what happens when someone who doesn't have a broad skill gets okay at a single part of it then starts trying to teach other people about that one part. Like someone who can't drive a car trying to teach people about drifting, or someone who can't program or do linguistics trying to teach people about syntax.

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>>19198982
>correlating the writing and the meaning of Japanese characters in such a way as to make them both easy to remember
>remembering the meaning and the writing of the kanji
>one becomes familiar with a kanji and at least one of its principal meanings
>They need to be recalled
>the goal of this book is still to attain native proficiency in writing the Japanese characters and associating their meanings with their forms
All of which is somehow not about a "course on how not to forget the meaning and writing of Japanese characters"?

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>>19199011
When you say it's for "remembering the kanji", you happen to be saying that it's not for learning them. That is the only way that your objection to people using it without "understanding what it's for" could reflect reality. I at least have good faith that you understand what people use RTK for.

It is absolutely for learning them.

Stop arguing in bad faith.

[Anonymous No.]

rtk is for learning to write kanji and know what they mean
"remembering" isn't a skill
you can only "remember" what you've learned

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199016
>you happen to be saying that it's not for learning them
No I'm not.
The thing I'm pointing out that people seem to constantly either not understand or wilfully ignore is that it's for remembering the "meaning" (ie keyword) and writing of the kanji. People complaining that RTK does not teach Japanese seem not to understand this, as it does not claim to do that. People who do it as a first step to learning Japanese mostly don't seem to understand that, as again it does not claim to do that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199030
>The thing I'm pointing out that people seem to constantly either not understand or wilfully ignore is that it's for remembering the "meaning" (ie keyword) and writing of the kanji.
They don't though.
>People complaining that RTK does not teach Japanese seem not to understand this
Those people almost never use RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199030
dog nobody who complains about rtk not teaching japanese thinks it's supposed to teach you japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199030
>People complaining that RTK does not teach Japanese seem not to understand this
I think you're confused. They do understand it, which is why they say it's near worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199038
It doesn't make much sense. It doesn't teach you Spanish either, but no one bitches about that.

[Anonymous No.]

はらへった
可愛い少女どこですか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199048
You can't learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199057
こちらだよ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9XaOPgV9PI

[Anonymous No.]

If you only want to use RTK to learn to write couldn't you just find a radical deck with stroke order and use that? If you can recall the position of the radicals then writing most kanji wouldn't be difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199068
自殺しろ、ばかジャーニ

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199077
Many kanji have exceptional stroke orders, especially common simple ones.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199085
is this loss

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199091
Imagine being this much of a /v/irgin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199098
imagine thinking loss is a /v/irgin meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199102
imagine thinking it isn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199107
i've been making loss memes since the loss comic was originally posted my man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199110
this does not contradict
let me follow up and respond to your next post in advance:
yes you do/are

[Anonymous No.]

youve sucked ass for a long time sounds like

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199113
but i'm an authority on loss memes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199085
bottom left is mine

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199125
probably the best choice from a poor selection

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199130
Woah, get a load of this chad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199130
She's actually cute though, you just have shit taste

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199125
when the glasses come off you will immediately regret your choices

[Anonymous No.]

btw top left is the best because shes got some sick ass moe swag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199149
the meme is that girls get prettier without glasses, not with glasses

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199161
i dont deal in memes i deal in reality

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199148
i agree, that doesn't mean the selection isn't poor

[Anonymous No.]

What does it mean when you have a te-form adjective followed by a verb?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199200
It means they're doing the adjective with their hand

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199200
教えてやらない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199203
I was thinking about making the exact same joke but I decided against it since I figured it really isn't clever at all
Shame on you man

[Anonymous No.]

if you mean that kind of te form in really good at it

[Anonymous No.]

im*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199208
Your life is a joke that isn't really clever at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199222
Alright this one was clever

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199222
>>19199225
same fag

[Anonymous No.]

djt - daily shitposting general
let's bring back daily english thread, that's more comfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199225
>>19199230
samefag

[Anonymous No.]

jk all of this thread is me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199241
Hi me

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199241
Ain't I impressive with the 84 IPs to shitpost from!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19191661から>>19199250までsame fag(わたし)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GB9CGFaUmU

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199077
Heisig’s primitives are a better system than radicals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199084
>stroke order
>important
>proper proportions
>important if still legible

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199321
That's not what "radicals" means.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199326
Not defending it, just saying it's a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

大好きな妹が今うんこした。「食べれますか？」と聞いて「もちろんだ！」とやつが答えた。
そして喜んで食べた、やつは喜んで見てた。
後はまんこを食べた。美味しかったー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199333
キモい

[Anonymous No.]

なんだこの基地外

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199333
うんこは食べ物じゃないよーアノンのバカー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199346
僕もツイッターにを

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199326
>learning japanese at all
>important

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199365
You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199365
but I meant important relative to the goal of learning Japanese...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199347
ちんぽのため食べ物です

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199326
If you're learning to write you might as well go full autistic about the stroke order desu

[Anonymous No.]

how long have you been trying to improve your nihongo and how much of this do you understand https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVO6L0PSEWU

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys I finished the Kanji I was supposed to memorize today.

[Anonymous No.]

does it matter if i space out my anki reviews through the day or is it better to get it done in 1 sitting? I'm looking at my next semester schedule and it looks like I will have a 1 hour break between uni classes, excluding time to eat I might have 30-40 minutes to review while that's might not be enough to do all my reviews covering 30-50% would be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199418
Good job, now you can discuss why RTK is the superior methodology with all the others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199414
1,5 years, none cause it's chinese

[Anonymous No.]

>learning nihongo for japrap
自殺の方がいい

[Anonymous No.]

Thank god your nihongo is terrible so I can just outright ignore your opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199426
nice self own ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199422
Spacing them out is fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199438
I own myself yes.

[Anonymous No.]

actually I own everyone in this thread since I'm the big nihongo boss

[Anonymous No.]

Everyone in this thread is a cutey pie.
Except for lowercase-kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199425
don't ruin the meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199451
you can be my queen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r1AE6bmdUSk#t=66

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199496
I literally just improved upon the meme

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199507
no you just gave people an excuse to perpetuate their suckage lol

[Anonymous No.]

Why don't the /v/ DJT posters go to /int/? I don't get their insistence with shitting up /jp/ when they clearly don't get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199512
That was part of the meme though
i literally just trolled everyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199518
idk about you but im not here to troll

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199515
>shitting up /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199443
And not just myself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199515
when I shit in this thread the quality increases

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199529
bitch u dont even own those pixels you posted

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199530
Are you a cute anime girl?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199535
yes sure why not

[Anonymous No.]

im actually a girl though https://vocaroo.com/i/s1oaOyng8TRO

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199537
If that's true then ok you're right, the quality does increase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19198472
>あたし

[Anonymous No.]

just cause yer balls aint dropped yet dont make you no female, boy

[Anonymous No.]

they drop directly into your mouth daily

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199068
>死ぬほどかっけぇ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199333
後はやつが死んだ

[Anonymous No.]

そしてゲイになってしまった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199561
喜びで死んだ

[Anonymous No.]

毒で死んだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199551
https://youtu.be/CwC1jYwOP3s?t=11s

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199424
I can't. I'm less than a quarter of the way through and it all seems pointless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199586
That just means that instead of spending time doing RTK you have even more time arguing about RTK on DJT!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199515
Are you serious? The majority of shitposters here seem like jaded oldfags thinking they're funny and cool by showing off how much they don't care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199586
i'm halfway through and it still seems pointless, i'm going to quit so i have more time to read, enjoy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199599
Can confirm.
t. oldfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199586
Stop and read then? If the thing RTK is teaching you doesn't seem useful then don't bother with it. I do think it's helpful, but it certainly isn't essential, and it's certainly a time consuming slog.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199599

[Anonymous No.]

Listen to this while you do your reps:
https://soundcloud.com/futuresocietycollective/moe-shop-waifu-material-mixtape

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199609
I can't shake the feeling that if I don't finish RTK I'll regret it but I don't know why. Maybe I think the recall ability from the mnemonics + writing will make recognition even faster.

[Anonymous No.]

listen to this while you do your reps

https://soundcloud.com/nichibeihiphop/mouri-motonari

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199635
yeah that's why i stuck with it for 1600 kanji
maybe you will regret it in a year but at least you wont suck at reading
you can always pick it back up on the side if you feel the desire for some reason
i think the impact it has on making learning words easier disappears by 200-500 kanji, you've gotten everything you can on that front, now it goes in reverse, learning words will make it easier if you ever choose to study this shit again in the future

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199660
I'm at 450 and I might just do that because at this point even if I'm not familiar with a Kanji or radical it's much easier for me to see them rather than seeing random squiggles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199635
Starting earlier will also make recognition happens sooner. Getting sick of RTK and giving up on Japanese will make it not happen at all. I say this as someone that recently finished it.
Read simple stuff with furigana where you don't have to recognise the kanji and see how you get on. Odds are it will be much more enjoyable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195398
ワロタ

[Anonymous No.]

朕のちんちん

[Anonymous No.]

How do you know how to read 等 when it appears right after a noun? IIs it ら　or　など.

[Anonymous No.]

its obvious

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199900
ら is almost exclusively written in kana, if you're seeing it in kanji it's most likely など

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199917
I will keep that in mind

[Anonymous No.]

Kanji might be absolutely disgusting compared to western scripts but you can't deny this is cool.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199937
Yea but what does the n shape represent here. Pretty nonsensical if you ask me?

[Anonymous No.]

>Kanji might be absolutely disgusting compared to western scripts
You can't learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199964
dude nothing wrong with appreciating the history and nature of kanji while recognizing that memorizing thousands of unique symbols is fucking gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199937
if you think thats cool check this out

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw27QuFhwc8#t=74

[Anonymous No.]

>>19195396
>>19195756
Hello, it's me >>19195627 again
I'm back to hopefully give you some more constructive advice, yesterday I was trying to convince you to work harder through ridicule as that's what works well for me, but anyway:
It's not a matter of having better or worse memory, you're doing Anki wrong. The point isn't to agonize over every card and try to remember it really hard. If it comes to you naturally in a few seconds you can hit good. Otherwise, hit again. I used to have the same problem as you, and as much Anki as you're doing now used to take me a while as well. It's easy to end up nervous and fretting, thinking "oh man, I really gotta get this card right, or else that'll mean even more reviews tomorrow," but the reality is that if you just power through the cards naturally, choosing an answer in a few seconds (10 at the most), the overall time it will take you will significantly decrease. Additionally, it does get easier over time. Your brain will get more and more accustomed to learning Japanese words and it'll take fewer repetitions of each word to get them committed to memory. Of course, you'll forget mature cards here and there, but that's only natural when you're juggling thousands of words at a time. The guys on here that talk about how your retention has to be above a certain level, or else it's all for naught, are shitposters. As long as your long-term retention is above 50%, you're making progress. Slow, hellish, worst-case-scenario progress, but progress nonetheless. 75% or 80% aren't exactly great either, but it's infinitely better than quitting.

[Anonymous No.]

too long didnt read gomenne

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199937
>>19199957
I'm no Kanji scholar but I used to think of it as watching rain falling through a window.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199999
謝らなくていいよ、別にお前のために書いたわけでもないからさ
ちなみにその数字おめでとう、確かめた

[Anonymous No.]

ひでぇ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199999
Checked

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199995
thanks for the advice oniichan.
though I'm not really having troubles with anki, I understand I just need to leave it up to the spaced repetition to take care of it and my retention is pretty consistently above 80% towards 90% (does this mean I should be doing more new cards?).
I'm not complaining about the amount of cards, I can handle a few 100 cards no problem if I don't have anything else I need to do, I was just showing that they all stacked up.

My main problem was no motivation from lack of progress when I read, but after thinking about it for a bit you're probably right, I should just stop being a fucking faggot and read more, it'll sort itself out eventually right.
Honestly I didn't even read that much, but that's partially because of needing to do other things. I've got some free time now though so I'm going to read a lot more.

[Anonymous No.]

>have unlearned anki cards in my review queue
>do a custom session to review forgotten cards
>all new cards are back to an unseen status, have to do them all over
wtf is this shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200064
it's a known-but-unfixed bug, cool right

[Anonymous No.]

>python
I'm surprised this piece of shit even works.
Oh wait, it doesn't. LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200064
>>19200076
Wait so let me get this straight so this doesn't happen to me. You're saying if I have like 100 cards queued in "review", but I don't review - instead I just custom study "review forgotten cards", many of the cards queued in "review" will suddenly become unseen/new?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200082
upgrade to windows

[Anonymous No.]

>all these people in DJT who know math and programming and are learning Jap on top of all that
>I know nothing and have no useful skills and am trying to learn Jap

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200087
>upgrade
>windows
>upgrade

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200093
listen, do you want to fucking learn japanese or not

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200088
I have a maths degree. It's not a useful skill.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200064
I think that happened only to cards in the "Learning" category, at least the number of the deck's unseen cards increased after the review.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200098
Yeah but I dont think he wants to do it at the extent of his ego

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200107
Why do you think I learn Japanese in the first place if not for my ego?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200104
was meant for >>19200085

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200101
But what about "any job you want 200k starting" the /sci/ keeps telling me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200085
i don't know the details and i don't use filtered decks but here have this
https://eshapard.github.io/anki/anki-and-the-hidden-dangers-of-filtered-decks.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200088
don't worry, i know programming and some math but i also have no useful skills because i've never used them and i don't have a resume

[Anonymous No.]

>>19193171
Check the /vn/ thread pastebin on /vg/, mikocon, download perfect dark

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200133
I couldn't get a job at all and ended up a neet.

[Anonymous No.]

fucking fuck 4000 words in and I still read 緩い as 暖かい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200241
If you want to end up like this guy, skip RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200296
I did RTK and ended up like him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200114
You're gonna fail

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200241
Maybe you need a bigger font.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200296
i did rtk long enough to learn both of those kanji and i ended up like him
i think you know less japanese than me and that's a shame

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200296
I didn't do RTK and didn't end up like him.

[Anonymous No.]

>when you are in japanese mode but your anki day doesn't reset for another hour

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200336
読め

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200336
>when you are ready to rumble with some legit input and all you think to yourself is "wow i wish i could do some fuckin tight flash cards instead"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200340
>読
say, sale

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200428
forgot to mention "read"

[Anonymous No.]

俺はね、妹のトイレなのだ
毎日妹が俺の口におしっこに行って、俺が口でまんこを綺麗にする
毎日楽しい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200454
きもい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200454
羨ましい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200454
妄想やばっ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200474
本当は興奮しちゃったんでしょう

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200488
吐く

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200052
>my retention is pretty consistently above 80% towards 90% (does this mean I should be doing more new cards?).
The much more important thing you need to consider when you decide how many new cards you should be doing isn't your retention, it's "how quickly do I want to be done with this?"
In your screenshot you're doing 6 new cards, and that's really a low, low number. I recommend you at least try to do 20 for a good few months. It's the most popular number (and the default on Anki if I recall correctly?) for a reason -- it strikes a balance between speed and manageability. Allow me to put things in perspective: I started doing Anki for Core6k in December 2016, right after the N5. I've added 20 new cards almost every day, turning it off when I had something else urgent going on, like a big exam for Physics or whatever. In a few weeks, before the end of June, I'll be done with Core10k. At 20 words a day, I was able to acquire a vocabulary of ten thousand words in a little over a year and a half.
If I had done six cards per day, I would currently have a vocabulary of 2,500 words. I wouldn't have passed the N2 in December of 2017 with those numbers. It would take me nearly six years to get a vocabulary of 10,000. Do you really want to still be grinding Anki five years from now? And despite it all, still have less than half of the vocabulary of a native(based on an estimate of the average 日本人's vocabulary to be ~25,000 words)?s

So yes, you should be doing more new cards. Even if your retention drops by 10%, your progress will be nearly four times as fast.
>I should just stop being a fucking faggot and read more, it'll sort itself out eventually right.
This is correct.

[Anonymous No.]

Which works of literature and philosophy should I be familiar with if I want to comprehend Flyable Heart on anything but a surface level?

[Anonymous No.]

unko chan
naurto

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese Wikipedia article on the Russo-Japanese war, the Soviet-Japanese border conflicts and the resulting neutrality pact, and finally the Soviet-Japanese war in 1945.

[Anonymous No.]

and also this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9uxpYsW4-s

[Anonymous No.]

Any tips on memorizing flashcards?

[Anonymous No.]

is there any name for 1-kanji nouns?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200857
it's literally fucking 単語 look it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200867
thank you kind sir! concluding my questions, how do I find a list of such words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200816
make sh itty dumb stories, the more weird/nsfw the easier it would be to remember. it legit works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200241
watch this
*所詮　所謂*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200905
I am not sure on how to effectively approach memorizing words and their readings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200928
read or listen more, and read or listen more
anki is a memorization aid, it is not a learning method
exposure makes thing intuitive, not anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200952
>it is not a learning method
so everyone memeing to do core2k before reading are shilling or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200986
you can't read without some base and grammar. you should core 2k while filling the spots with genki and taekim only at 1000-1500 words and good grammar grasp you can start reading. otherwise even with the reading pack its a total fucking suffering.

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>>19200986
core is garbage but it's not completely unreasonable to familiarize yourself with some of the most common shit so that you only have to look up 90% of the words in the dictionary instead of 100%. it's still not learning, but the memorization isn't completely worthless for that. 2000 before even starting to read though is putting off reading for too long. i started at like 750 and it didn't take long until it stopped feeling bad.
>>19201009
grammar is a separate issue, but similarly you wont actually learn it without reading, and tae kim is just to get familiar. reading with zero words is definitely worse than reading with at least 500, but it is very much underestimated how diminishing the returns are, and if you completed 10k before reading you'd still suffer significantly because recalling the association you've made in anki isn't as valuable as it seems.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to find a certain VN that I have seen posted here before. I don't remember exactly what the line was but it was something like "and the clock will keep ticking". It had a cool art style. Does anyone know what I'm talking about? I guess it has a time travel theme or something.
I'm currently trying to look for it on vndb but it will take a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201091
https://vndb.org/v2390
start with inganock or celenaria

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201096
>https://vndb.org/v2390
I think this is what I was looking for. Thank you anon.

[Anonymous No.]

liarsoft games are for diseased people

[Anonymous No.]

did u try to take a bite out of a big boy game and get bitten instead

[Anonymous No.]

they have relaly bad porno in them

[Anonymous No.]

who the fuck reads vns for porn lol you read it for the prose no lol

[Anonymous No.]

thats why i only read all ages game

[Anonymous No.]

how easy to read hanahira? about how many words into core would I need to know to not look up literally every third word?

[Anonymous No.]

dont read hanahira unless you know why youre reading it

[Anonymous No.]

tree fiddy

[Anonymous No.]

Wow, did wiki.wareya.moe/Stats got updated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201185
the easiness of hanahira is overstated because it's incredibly short which makes it hard to compare through shitty script analysis
it's also a shitty vn and you should not play a shitty vn just because it's supposedly easy
you could probably finish core6k and still look up every third word because the "most frequent words" of core is not based on vns let alone moe vns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201195
Yeah, all new ways to show how depressing it is that what you read and found tricky was bottom of the barrel on complexity

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201185
>how easy to read hanahira?
If its your first ever VN, dont think about terms of easy.
Hanahira is simple. Nothing you read for the first time is easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19191736
due to work I couldnt learn in 4 month all i could do is kinda stay on my level. 40-60h a week for 1k a month....yaaaay.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201338
why you so fuckin broke

[Anonymous No.]

how far along is 恐るべき to be just 'awesome, great' like 'wicked' is in english
or is it still just 'horrible, awful'

[Anonymous No.]

みんな恐るべき?

[Anonymous No.]

Just start learning Japanese in school
Already memorized 平仮名、数字

[Anonymous No.]

nice bro,epic

[Anonymous No.]

私は寂しいです。

[Anonymous No.]

What part of Tae Kim do I read and what do I stay away from? I've heard from a few different people that one of the parts of the guide isn't very good and should be avoided, but can't remember which part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201361
close to minumum wage and about 50% spend on taxes.
however. I soon have time to start again, will read heinsig+genki while dooing anki again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201457
but did you memorize how to read the words you just typed
also keep us updated we really want to follow your progress

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201476
友達になろうよマイニンジャ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201491
You read the Grammar Guide and stay away from the Complete Guide. Or just read the superior Japanese: The Manga Way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201501
Yes. I will try my best to memorize the kanji and its pronunciation.

[Anonymous No.]

Been learning Chinese recently just because I have all Chinese coworkers and it's fun to flow with them a bit

Interestingly, when they talk about hanzi, they talk about the meanings. This character means this, that character means that. And I have found learning simplified hanzi very easy. Seems knowing the meaning and on yomi makes it a breeze

[Anonymous No.]

バレてる→バレてら
死んでる→死んでら
始まってる→始まってら

What is this? I googled for 10 minutes and all I could find was one guy on chiebukuro saying it's Aomori dialect

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201737
It's probably some kind of dialectal conditional or adverbialization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201737
I don't know if "slurring" is really the right way to describe it, but usually when I see a character speak like this it's a "rough" male.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201737
>>19201801
Oh yeah, and as for the important part: they're the same thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201737
I see it get used a lot like たら

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201251
>it's also a shitty vn
You're shitty.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been searching all over but no dice. What does it mean when you change the い to く in an i-adjective? Example 高く

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201917
>I've been searching all over
No you haven't, go read a grammar guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201911
what other vns have you enjoyed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201925
I did. All I find is stuff like くない or くて but not just く by itself

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201932
Your mum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201938
shit taste detected

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201938
i'm sorry dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201801
Do you remember where you've seen it in 2D? I'm the one who originally asked and I've only seen 3D japs use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19200082
>using nu-anki
Do yourself a favor and download the precompiled binary packaged with all its dependencies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201934
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/adverbs

if you're talking about 「～く、...」in the middle of a sentence just treat it as くて

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201959
anki20-bin?
I just did.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201957
Various manga. Off the top of my head, あしたのジョー, ドラゴンボール.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201932

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201925
>>19201970
it's a reddit repost

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201994
ixrec is my favorite vn

[Anonymous No.]

you just read him like a book

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201971
This. I really can't understand why are they """updating"" anki with qt5 and other such bloat in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201994
i wasn't asking for recommendations, i was asking for things to avoid because they're as bad as hanahira

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202010
Because the webkit bindings for qt4 aren't usable anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202013
consult the list

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202022
i know it's helpful in that regard, but you haven't read them so it's still not what i was asking for

[Anonymous No.]

refer to da list mon

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone watched the audition?

I only watch anime now would horror be hard, I want to watch it because my chemical romance.

[Anonymous No.]

うんこが妹のお尻の穴から出ている
ご飯のときだ！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202085
i haven't, but horror sounds like a bad choice when you're shit at the language, misunderstanding or looking shit up would really kill suspense wouldn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202092
これを書くために日本語を学んだとか心境やべー

[Anonymous No.]

>>19199995
>Of course, you'll forget mature cards here and there
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202157
アルツハイマージジイ ;;

[Anonymous No.]

Fuck katanakana

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202185
実は読まない
アンキしきやっている

[Anonymous No.]

Anki is a drug.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202213
wean yourself off and you might learn some japanese

[Anonymous No.]

Anki is Ｐｒｏｔａｉｎ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202157
That seems like a statistic that exists only to depress you. I'm glad it's not in my version.

[Anonymous No.]

anki is aids af

[Anonymous No.]

Anki
A n k i
k A n i
K a m i
Kami

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201622
Are you saying "Remembering the Hanzi" would actually be a good book?

[Anonymous No.]

The real question is, when is my boy Heisig gonna make a Remembering the Alphabet

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202232
Yes, I love depressing statistics so I added it. It does come with more useful stats like net matured cards though.
>>19202207
>アンキ式
Nah... I meant しか, my finger must have slipped to the left.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't remember what terms like verb, adverb, adjective, preposition, past tense, perfect past tense, perfect temporary regressed current tense, etc. are so reading grammar guides just confuses me. Am I gonna make it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19201622
>>19202245
liked and subscribed

[Anonymous No.]

huh heres food for thought: just pretend kanjis are like kana and just remember them all

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202262
If anything, that increases your chances of making it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202262
>Am I gonna make it?
If you don't bother to learn what they mean, then no.
Those are a handful of terms among literally thousands you have to know well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202268
but why would you like and subscribe to a non-blog post...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202262
grammar terms are gay but if you can't understand "past tense" you probably have a disability

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202262
some of those examples are embarrassing, but learning a language is about feeling, not grammar guides

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202262
kowichi couldnt tell you what any of those things are and he can speak japanese

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1QDRdXQJT8

[Anonymous No.]

Daily reminder that RTK is a waste of time and you should never do it.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that manga isn't reading and you're deluding yourself if you think so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202258
use the negative verb form with しか

[Anonymous No.]

10000 hours of anime or your gay

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202262
>verb
jump, kill, say, eat
>adverb
happily, very, quickly, easily
>adjective
red, big, young, dead
>preposition
in, on, over, at
>past tense
now you're just trolling

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202306
nah I'm going to finish RTK1 because giving it up would make me feel like a quitter. I'll see how easy it is for me to learn and recognize kanji from RTK3 solely through reading and compare which method is ultimate.

[Anonymous No.]

Or you can just watch Naruto and skip 10k hours of shit anime you don't even wanna watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202324
finishing the meme
>past tense
jumped, killed, said, ate
>perfect past tense
have jumped, have killed, have said, have eaten
>perfect temporary regressed current tense
this isn't a thing but if it was it would be something like "having already ended up jumping"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202317
fake and gay

[Anonymous No.]

i'm going to finish eating this shoe because stopping halfway would make me feel like a quitter

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202341
go you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202317
>manga isn't reading
retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202324
I was being hyperbolic when I listed past tense and verb but I've seen some shit regarding "perfect tenses" which confused me. There are other concepts too but I can't name them off the top of my head.

>in, on, over, at
I know when to use these words and I know that for some reason they fall under the umbrella for "preposition" but I still have no idea how to conceptualize it. At least with verbs I can imagine an action.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202334
but you do want to watch anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202277
Just pretend kanji and actual vocab are words and just remember them all.

Learning Japanese isn't complex. Just remember them all.

[Anonymous No.]

in other words >>19194056

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202262
My eyes just glazed over whenever I came across 未然形, 連用形, 終止形, 連体形, 已然形・仮定形, or 命令形

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

こたえたい

しつもんにだけこたえる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202334
what if i already did that in english

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202427
You must have forgotten a lot of it since you did that as a kid as Naruto was being released.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202419
お風呂に入れなさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202357
The core of a statement is the "predicate" (the verb and its objects) and its "subject" (the thing doing or experiencing the verb). Everything that isn't included in the "predicate" and "subject" is "adverbial" information, because grammar people gave up figuring stuff out at that point.

This part is unintuitive exactly because there are so many different kinds of words that have the same role: shoving new information into a statement that is already complete and not accepting new information.

Note that the "subject" and "predicate" can contains multiple phrases, like "very red dog" is just a noun as far as syntax is concerned.

One kind of adverbial information is when you just have adverbs. I came early.

Another kind of adverbial information is when you have to stuff something like a specific location or time into a statement that doesn't directly involve it. Sometimes there are nouns that can just be stuffed into a sentence like the "outside" in "I came outside" and they make perfect sense.

When you need to use a noun that can't do that, you need to use a preposition, like the "to" in "I came to the yard". The preposition also tells you what kind of relationship it has to the statement.

Nouns that can act like adverbs, like "outside", have this relationship built in.

Also words that modify adjectives are called adverbs because why the fuck not.

Japanese particles are called particles instead of postpositions because some of them can be used to mark grammatical case (non-adverbial information), which proper prepositions/postpositions cannot do.

English lacks a bunch of grammatical cases and uses prepositional phrases in place of them. One of the possible reasons why words like "outside" exist is that the brain is attaching case information to them despite the lack of preposition, but normal nouns can't use that case information without a preposition. This is where linguistics and grammar diverge, and grammar cares about syntax, wheras linguistics these days gives up on attempting to categorize anything and instead just describes what kinds of rules seem to exist and tries to break them to see if they're really right.

tl;dr: Grammar terminology is hard to understand because grammar theories are all defective and unintuitive whenever things get complicated. The only ways out are to shut up and memorize it or to study basic linguistics so you can short shit out yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

これ俺だったら良かった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202455
そう思います

[Anonymous No.]

remember to read, even if for a few minutes to get that nihongo brain workin

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202442
>おふろにはいりなさい

ごちそうになります

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202490
recommend me some manga to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202515
naurto

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202357
I don't know most of that shit and did fine. I eventually learned Japanaese grammar terms by haphazardly reading dictionaries and bits and pieces of Wikipedia over time and find those much easier to understand that trying to apply English grammar terminology to Japanese. But even those aren't actually important for understanding Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202522
i have no idea why some people think they need to learn all of the less straight-forward english grammar terms to understand japanese grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202517
蟻蛾島

[Anonymous No.]

>>19202515
Manga isn't reading.
ホムンクルス is a good one to watch.

[Anonymous No.]

anime isn't watching