Daily Japanese Thread - djt

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Please refer to the textbook guide image before asking questions.

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Posting a better version before this gets deleted.

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You mother fuckers fed me a load of cat shit! You told me that I could take the verbal version of the JLPT, and that's what I wanted to do because I've focused almost entirely on verbal Japanese, but when I went to take the test and told my test proctor, she said I couldn't only take the verbal version and acted confused, so I had to sit through all the first two parts, and I just hoped that by not filling the answer sheet out for those, then I would only be graded on the listening, but then when we got to the listening part, THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE ALL IN JAPANESE! What the fuck! Why did the listening section need to test your ability to read in Japanese, and why didn't anyone here tell me that? But I tried it anyways, and I just checked my scores, and you know what? I FAILED BECAUSE YOU MOTHER FUCKERS LIED TO ME! This has completely ruined my life. I had to pass this test for qualifications I needed for this program in order to move to Japan so I could live my life, BUT YOU GUYS RUINED MY LIFE! I HATE ALL OF YOU!

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>>19098230
To be fair you can find all/most of those books in the COR, with audio files if needed.

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Shit OP, very funny picture though.

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Hope this thread is about Japanese rather than debating about the images...

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Did you ever drink ヨングルーチョ?

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どようび

きょうはなにしてあそぶ？

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>>19098251
Even when you pirate them they're still worse than Tae Kim plus reading.

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>>19098297
Why Tae Kim? Why not just start reading?

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>>19098230
>$120
What the fuck is in that shit to warrant that kind of money?

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>>19098340
Because it helps a little and it's easy to get through (unlike a textbook).

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>>19098226
I feel like this roadmap overemphasizes paid resources, under-emphasizes free resources (Tae Kim, Imabi, Sakubi, Google itself, etc), and is generally so narrow in scope as to be not very useful, since one cannot learn Japanese through textbooks alone. This chart doesn't include any mention of vital supplementary resources such as Anki or dictionaries such as Jisho, JDIC, or even grammar dictionaries like the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar series.

Additionally, following a "roadmap" of textbooks is more likely to end with someone getting sick of Japanese, rather than successfully learning it. The goal of language learning should always be abandoning textbooks as soon as possible and getting into consuming native material. A successful learn will likely be abandoning textbooks at around the N3 level (which is coincidentally about where Tae Kim leaves off) to instead focus on consuming comprehensible input while referencing dictionaries, Google, and so on upon encountering language they don't know. The most surefire way to end a language learning journey in failure is to buy a boatload of textbooks and then try to stick with them until you know the language. It's important to remember that textbooks don't teach you the language, they build a foundation for you to jump off of into real native material. Someone trying to learn all the way to N1 level Japanese through a roadmap such as this will find learning Japanese a slow and unenjoyable process.

Here is a Grammar-learning roadmap which I believe will be far, far more effective than the original one posted

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>>19098356
You can't (afford to) learn Japanese

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I'm not good at coming up with content to read... I can't play VNs at the moment but can read manga. For someone that finished TK/Genki 2, what would you recommend that you actually like? I was thinking Crayon Shin Chan, since I like comedy.

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>>19098412
お前の大好き漫画ならいいだよね

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I need recommendations of a good japanese children book. Something like that the little prince?

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>>19098470
キミの好むマンガ

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>>19098470
Just get the Pibo app

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>>19098470
The Little Price in Japanese ;)

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君のすきマンコ

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マンコの漫画もいいだろ

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>>19087641
in no particular order

to tell each other we dont know japanese
to ask for translations
to ask really poor questions about things we have no business even trying to read
to name drop foreigners who know/dont know japanese that try to make money "teaching" japanese
to talk about flashcards
to say わたしはゲイ
to link nice raps from nippon no kuni
to repost shit from reddit
to call everything reposts from reddit
to name call and tell each other to kill ourselves
to continue the neverending quest of figuring out what the fuck a 出撃 is
to ask for tech support
to post really fuckin bad nihongo
to post about how much of a god lick-g is
to ask for visual game/manga/light novella recommendations
to define what is or is not reading
to argue or pretend to argue about english
to talk about the jlpt
to ask you what this dude is saying https://streamable.com/gunpv
to ask if you mother fuckers are genki yet
to constantly bicker over day one shit
to complain generally
to remember the kanji
to ask for free stuff
to provide free stuff
to get triggered by thread ops
to post how fuckin おなかすいた i am

to mislead and deceive the unsuspecting and convincing them to do really weird and useless things instead of just learning nihongo

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>>19098487
あなし、すき？
あなたのタイプ？

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>>19098520
Actually a good post

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>>19098412
No you can't read manga. Manga isn't reading.
And why are you learning Japanese if you have nothing you want to read? dont answer that btw i dont actually want to know

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>>19098525
俺のタイプは君だ

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>>19098540
mostly to play games not released here or that release later. guess i could play some early DQ games.

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Ok, so since it's a shit thread I'll ask a shitty question too, please forgive me.

https://youtu.be/PzhL9QXiZMg?t=3m7s
Could you guys please transcribe the text past "nani kore"? From what I understand there are no walls in the toilet as per 4000 years of Chinese tradition and Hatate refuses to use it because she would be exposed; but I'm missing like 30-40% of the words and it's pissing me off to no end. It's not included in the lyrics/booklet as far as I've checked.

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>>19098473
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>>19098481
Thanks. Especially that Pibo app is really helpful.

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>>19098540
What you guys are referring to as reading manga, is in fact, reading the text in manga, or as I've recently taken to calling it, manga plus reading. Reading manga is not reading itself, but rather another action that causes full functioning reading to happen, made useful by the printed words, optional furigana, and vital visual components comprising comprehensible input as defined by Stephen Krashen.

Many Japanese learners realize modified version of the reading method every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of reading which is widely used today is often called "reading manga", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically reading, according to the consumption of text.

There really is manga, and these people are consuming it, but it is just a part of the method they use. Manga is the medium: the text in the material that causes language acquisition within the reader's mind. The text is an essential part of a reading experience, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete comprehensible context. Manga is normally used in combination with the reading method: the whole package is basically reading with manga added, or reading/manga. All the so-called "manga" methods are really methods of reading/manga.

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>>19098565
because reading is not reading i did not read

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>>19098545
Oh god you just gave me flashbacks to that youtube japanese teacher stumbling through dragon quest.

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also buttbat

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>>19098542
だいすき

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>>19098520

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to yu wakede minna genki?

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>>19098668
You thread is deceased for a reason.

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>>19098369
Pretty much this. Once you have a good idea of how Japanese works you can just start "learning as you go" like you did with English.

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>>19098777
if you get butthurt this easily then maybe you shouldn't ask stupid questions

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int djt might be deceased but whats being done here is necrophilia :P

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>>19098914
not even close

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>>19098914
no more like gangrape except you're also raping yourself at the same time so you're part of the gang too

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>>19098547
I guess nobody knows Japanese here afterall.

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>>19098226
>>19098369
The thread these posts are from is full of eternal dekinais unironically defending sticking to formal grammar instruction all the way through N1. It's quite a sight to behold. At this rate, no matter how bad DJT gets, it will always be better than /r/learnjapanese.

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>>19098920
its dead dude when i grab it by the hips they dont even move on their own anymore

>>19098928
wheres the gang

>>19098939
sorry dude i aint interested in that shit you linked

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俺様はこのスレがいらない
一匹狼だから

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へー

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>>19098894
How is asking for clarification on a definition stupid?

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>>19098944
reddit seems to be more focused on JPLT rather than actually learning japanese so let the textbook grind their way to N3 and then give up.

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How do you check what level you're currently at?

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>>19099006
There are no levels in language learning my friend

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>>19098944
And yet one hero still valiantly fights against them amidst a storm of downvotes.

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>>19099011
A better question would be - if I want to take JPLT test for fun or curiosity, how should I pick which level?

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>>19099006
When you can read japanese dictionaries unaided for new words, you're no longer a beginner.

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>>19099025
can you learn japanese solely through music

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>>19099031
music is good because it's hypnotic and it helps you figure out how japanese sounds connect to each other
and if you listen to rock operas on loop like I do you can learn a few pieces of obscure vocab or grammar
it's bad for anything else though

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>>19099031
Only the right kind of music.

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>>19098971
because it's trivial as fuck
the word itself is pretty self-explanatory and more importantly, you could just use jisho

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>>19099031
no but if you listen to real ninja shit its like taking a supplement to help pick up the slack in your frankly lackluster diet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGMKzRMDebo#t=30

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>>19098230
Stop reading Tae Kim. Go Imabi or go home.

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Stop reading any of that dumb grammar shit period.

Just read and read and read some more. Listen as much as you can. Then you will acquire the language. Nobody acquires language by memorizing seemingly arbitrary rules. Fucking retards.

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>>19099031
i just learned nihongoese by watching lots of animes lol

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>>19099073
imabi is exceptionally bad for beginners

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>>19099090
suggoi desune

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>>19099088
At precisely what point did you start reading? As in, what did you do before it? Be honest.

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>>19098226
Shit OP. Abandon thread

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>>19099106
I haven't started reading yet. Currently doing RTK.

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>>19099110
You're doing it wrong.

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>>19099108
ohsakini dohzo bakusyoh

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Can you say someone is アホ if their 頭のネジが緩い?

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>>19099110
>doesn't know Japanese
>thinks he knows the best way to acquire Japanese because he spent all his time listening to hacks like Stephen Krashen and Steve Kaufman instead of learning Japanese

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うつくしい人が不人情で、冬瓜の水膨れのような人が善良な君子なのだから、油断が出来ない。

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Who invented counters? I want to punch him in the neck.

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>>19099111
>>19099144
The double steves, khatz, and matt know better than any of you and I trust them.

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>>19099144
>hacks like Stephen Krashen and Steve Kaufman
Krashen is literally the opposite of a hack. He's responsible for the current standard of the academic understanding of language acquisition.

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>>19099153
Neither Steve recommends doing RTK before you know what it's doing for you.

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For those who did KKLC, did you use any supplementary material like Anki with it?

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>>19099158
As long as you do it at a reasonable pace and you don't get stuck on it, it's virtually impossible to "misuse" KKLC. Don't worry about what you do with it on the side, and don't track your stats.

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>>19099154
That's true, but his ideas are outdated today. They were outdated in the 80s.

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>>19099168
No.

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How the fuck did people learn Japanese 20 years ago?

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>>19099172
By immersion.

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>>19099174
lol

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>>19099152
its really no more or less complicated than something like counting to 1000 in hundreds and noting the different sounds in how you say them

dont worry about "counters" as a concept

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>>19099168
Not a single development has overturned the input hypothesis. Every single study claiming to do so does so based on bad science. Whenever someone does a meta-analysis of acquisition research they find that papers claiming the input hypothesis is wrong are either impossible to replicate or their statistics actually show that comprehensible input is not worse than other methods, and that their overturning the input hypothesis was based on a misunderstanding of the semantics of comprehensible input.

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>>19099172
>>19099174
They took some mediocre class and moved to Japan (?).

Did people evne want to learn Japanese outside of military/government/academic or business needs back then? Only example I can think of the top of my head is Japanese film expert Donald Richie who lived there for decades but allegedly never learn to read or write.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Richie

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>>19099172
Pure autism or they just moved to fucking nipland.

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>>19099172
a lot of hot summer days sitting cross legged on the floor feeling my balls sticking to my leg flipping through a kanji dictionary to play the latest imports on my modded sony playstation

also the internet still existed and was in way better shape because the whole world wasnt on it totally ruining it yet

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>>19099247
For some reason I still think 20 years ago = 80s.

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>>19099254
i think in the 80s you had to have known someone to get you into shit

usually "that guy" from your dungeons and dragons group

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>>19099191
There is plenty to take issue with the input hypothesis on a theoretical basis. See http://faculty.ucmerced.edu/khakuta/LAU/ICLangLit/NaturalApproach.htm and its references, Gregg and McLaughlin for rebuttals. To claim that "the input hypothesis is wrong" is strange since the input hypothesis itself doesn't seem to be a well-defined, falsifiable theory. The research cited in favor of the input hypthosis was distorted or misunderstood by Krashen, at least in the 80s when those rebuttals were written. Obviously, more research has been done by now and the evidence may be in favor of the input hypothesis at this point. I'm not a linguist, so I don't know. No amount of evidence can fix the problems with the theory, though (why *can't* "learning" become "acquisition"? does that dichotomy actually exist? why doesn't output count as a form of input (do we somehow ignore our own utterances)? what precisely does he mean by i (he bases natural order on morpheme acquisition studies but apparently natural order includes more language constructs than just morphemes. What is his evidence for that?) why is learning strictly relegated to the role of monitor? can't we use conscious knowledge for comprehension (yes, we can)? etc. etc.)

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>>19099377
>There is plenty to take issue with the input hypothesis on a theoretical basis.

The input hypothesis is applied linguistics, not theoretical linguistics.

>To claim that "the input hypothesis is wrong" is strange since the input hypothesis itself doesn't seem to be a well-defined, falsifiable theory.

The "input hypothesis" is a VERY well-defined theory. It posits, in summary:

- That there's some kind of "acquisition" which indicates language ability, but conscious academic of study seems to be bad at giving
- That consuming linguistic information that you understand, called "input", results in acquisition

Both of which are testable and falsifiable points, and which studies continually show to have some reflection in reality, even if that reflection is not as theoretically stated.

>The research cited in favor of the input hypthosis was distorted or misunderstood by Krashen
Nope.

http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/1978-_the_inner_game_of_tennis_and_language_acquisition.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/2014_lao_and_krashen._language_acquisition_without_speaking_and_study.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/case_for_comprehensible_input.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/2004_applying_the_comprehension_hypothesis_krashen.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/2015_krashen_tprs-_contributions,_problems,_new_frontiers,_and_issues.pdf
http://www.sdkrashen.com/content/articles/2015__end_of_motivation.pdf

>Obviously, more research has been done by now and the evidence may be in favor of the input hypothesis at this point. I'm not a linguist, so I don't know.

You do not understand the field of applied linguistics enough to be having this conversation.

>No amount of evidence can fix the problems with the theory, though

The hypothesis is a description of the evidence against other hypotheses (the output hypothesis, the skill building hypothesis, etc). It is not a theoretical presentation.

>why *can't* "learning" become "acquisition"? does that dichotomy actually exist?

He doesn't say it can't help. He says that learning and acquisition are different things. The division between learning and acquisition comes from the effects that academic language instruction has on language learners. The argument is that making students memorize grammar patterns does not result in being able to accurately and fluidly use them in conversations, which is obviously true.

>why doesn't output count as a form of input (do we somehow ignore our own utterances)?

Different parts of the brain do different things for comprehension and generation. Neurolinguistics knows this. Generative linguistics knows this. Applied linguistics knows this. This isn't even up for argument.

>what precisely does he mean by i

The i means literally nothing.

>he bases natural order on morpheme acquisition studies

You cannot acquire a grammatical morpheme without at least partially acquiring the grammar rules associated with them.

>but apparently natural order includes more language constructs than just morphemes. What is his evidence for that?

Generative linguistics and acquisition studies show that grammar and phrase patterns are language features just like morphemes are. There is no reason for morphemes to be treated as special for the purpose of studying language acquisition. There may very well be particular grammar patterns or phrase structures that fall outside of a "natural order", but the "natural order" hypothesis is itself one of the things that the input hypothesis fights against: the natural order, while there, is amorphous and not perfectly knowable. It's slightly different for every idiolect and household.

On that note, "i+1" doesn't refer to things that contain a "single unknown", it refers to things that are ready to be acquired because they contain little enough amounts of un-acquired language features to be understood and learned from. You can 100% acquire のだ and のか before acquiring the specific grammatical function of の on its own in those phrases.

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>>19099377
>>19099458
>why is learning strictly relegated to the role of monitor? can't we use conscious knowledge for comprehension (yes, we can)? etc. etc.)

The argument is not that learning is relegated only to the monitor, the argument is that learning only guarantees accessibility in the monitor. One can certainly acquire something they've learned; it's just very difficulty to turn learning into acquisition without input, or outside of your particular natural order, and learning a particular thing doesn't necessarily help you acquire it. While it's true that Krashen is excessively grammar-negative, he is not grammar-negative in the sense that he thinks learners should never have any intentional "learning" at all. In fact, he's very supportive of methods that go "by the way, X means Y" to increase comprehension. The strong stance against grammar studies is specifically against the Grammatical Syllabus and the associated drills.

Basically: You don't know linguistics. You don't even know enough about the input hypothesis to argue about it without saying that it says things it doesn't say.

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Daily reminder that if you are learning Japanese for any reason than to watch unsubbed JAV's you will not make it.

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>>19099494
but I'm a homo and moreover have literally less than 0% interest in disgusting 3D humans, male or female

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>>19099494
if theres mosaic over the pussy who cares if theres mosaic over the nihongo

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>>19098275
エロゲーだぜ

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Wow, look at all this Japanese learning. Sugoi.

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>>19099017
I downvoted all his comments because I know he's right but I don't want Reddit to change

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>>19099587
Your negativity only makes him stronger.

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>>19099591
I should invite him here

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>>19099597
he learned Japanese here tho

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did lowercase kun make sakubi? this feels like a fit... only the most productive poster in this thread could make a guide this useful and to the point

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>>19099610
i post in lowercase sometimes but i'm not "lowercase kun"

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we are all lowercase kun on this blessed day

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we are better than reddit guys be proud of it

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>>19099610
>did lowercase kun make sakubi?
No, he just constantly shitposts all day and gets away with it because hes a janitor.

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you guys got issues

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>>19099152
I fucking hate it. When I randomly hear someone using a counter I never understand what the fuck they just said. It takes me a while to figure out that the word was a weird counter I've never heard before or have forgotten.

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What exactly is AJATT, where is the nigger who made it and why the fuck is that arrogant-sounding white dude always singing its praises on Youtube?

Is it really a good method or is it just a meme?

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>>19099681
It's a pile of bullshit laid on top of the only method that actually works. If you do AJATT you'll learn japanese, but you can just skip all the bullshit and only do the part that works instead.

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>>19099681
dont say the n word or i will destroy you

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>>19099681
Khatz cited Stephen Krashen as the expert whose work his own is based on in one of the interview videos Khatz did on that fat white guy's youtube channel. So basically just get a lot of input and you'll learn Japanese.

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>>19099685
What parts are the bullshit, though? As far as I know, the method consists on using RTK for two months, learning basic grammar after you're done with it and isolating yourself from the English language as much as possible.

I don't want to be memed into wasting years of my life doing worthless shit that will get me nowhere in the language.

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>>19099702
>What parts are the bullshit, though? As far as I know, the method consists on using RTK for two months,
That part is bullshit.

>learning basic grammar after you're done with it
Valid.

>and isolating yourself from the English language as much as possible.
This part is bullshit. You merely need to have a lot of input. You don't need to remove English from your life, not even close.

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>>19099705
but it is important that nihongo time is entirely nihongo time and not flip flop between eigo and nihongo time

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>>19099681
>listen to 4 hours long podcasts of Japanese reporters talking about some zoo and try to grasp whatever you can

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>>19099712
You can look stuff up in an E-J dictionary if that's what you're implying you can't do. But it's true that your Japanese time shouldn't be, like, laced with English definition insertions from a parser or anything. And you shouldn't use bilingual readers past your very first few days reading.

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>>19099702
Everything you listed is pretty much fine albeit some people think RTK is a waste of time and you'd be better off just learning readings. Also not sure what that other anon is on about since less English = more Japanese input, which means you're learning Japanese faster. Khatz himself says that for many people English is unavoidable because of school or work and the goal is to just get as much exposure to Japanese as possible.

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>>19099722
Reading for 10 hours a day is not very different from reading 9 hours a day. Each bit of input you consume continuously has diminishing results until you take a break (e.g. going to sleep). If you're actually consuming as much Japanese as you need to consume to learn Japanese, having an hour or two of English in your life isn't going to make you learn Japanese any slower.

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>>19099705
So basically, start reading shit in Japanese and force yourself not to rely on English translations for your otaku hobbies, right?

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>>19099728
Yes. For example, you can switch to doing doujinshi and manga in Japanese very early on (much earlier than it seems like you can.) because the translations for them are basically terrible and you'll understand more from the Japanese.

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>>19099726
>having an hour or two of English in your life isn't going to make you learn Japanese any slower.
Probably not, but if you're only inputting 2 hours of English per day I'd say you're pretty far into AJATT territory.

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>>19099739
Do you know Japanese?

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>>19099741
Not at all.

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>>19099742
Please don't try to have this conversation then.

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>>19099744
But you don't have to know Japanese to know that 12 hours of Japanese input per day is massive input.

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>>19099750
I know, but your intuition about language learning isn't well-developed enough to tell exactly what AJATT is conveying when it says "isolating yourself from the English language as much as possible" or whatever.

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>>19099736
Is it OK to keep the English translated version on a different tab so you can know what the fuck they are talking about and THEN try to read the entire page in Japanese?

Or is it more engaging, memorable and easy to remember if you force yourself to look up all the kanji, words and sentence structures without knowing what the hell they are saying? Does the frustration of not understanding the "story" in a 20 pages long doujinshi help you stay motivated and improve your retention by forcing you to actively look up shit?

I suspect that lookin at the English translation every 20 seconds and getting the gist of what they are saying in Japanese (even if the translation is bad) could make the process of slowly figuring out a sentence feel much less rewarding and even encourage you to skip hard parts too often because you can't be bothered.

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>>19099768
The english translations of doujinshi and manga are so bad that, if your Japanese is good enough to glean how they were translated, they're just going to confuse you. Doujinshi translations often border on being unfaithful rewrites, and manga translations usually cut out random stuff because the translator didn't understand what it was doing, or contain massive English grammatical errors. Doing parallel translation-raw reading of anything else is torture, unless it's built into a VN like it is with Nekopara (Nekopara basically functions as a bilingual reader because of this).

So basically there's nowhere you should bother doing it unless it's obvious.

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>黄色いザーメンが[...]
wtf

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>>19099768
Also if you're reading print material, forcing yourself to look everything up is a really bad idea. Try to figure out what's going on, and what they're "saying", first. Then you can try to figure out what they're Literally saying. If you can't, move on. You should, of course, occasionally read things that give you quick dictionary access, to cover all your bases, but that's a different problem. My favorite example of this is with comedy manga meant for middle schoolers. They're so easy to understand that you could cut out, like, almost every word and still understand them.

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>>19099780
>translations of doujinshi and manga are so bad
Are you telling me that lines like "I LOVE CUMMING FROM HAVING MY 10 YEAR OLD FOURTH GRADER BUTT-PUSSY THAT I'VE NEVER SHOWN ANYONE PENETRATED BY MY OWN TURD WHILE I VOMIT ONII-CHAN'S DICKMILK!!!!" are made up by the translators? That's honestly a bit disappointing.

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>>19099811
Don't worry, those are usually legit.

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>>19099768
i intentionally went through what was considered one of the biggest translation disasters of all time a couple years ago because im fuckin retarded and i felt really bad for anyone who read that shit

but even if things arent incredibly abysmal theres moments like these where theres just nothing that can be done without just flat out telling you the reference which still wouldnt really help i dont think

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>>19099826
Last example, you should get the idea by now.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xfHKO-t1VQ
Let's にょきにょき

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>>19099829
I don't get it.

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>>19099811
I love it when lolis constantly repeat their age like a broken record during sex scenes, as if lolis actually knew that their young age turns guys on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099851
references are tough dude id be genuinely surprised if someone picked it out on their own

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>>19099834

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>>19099858
Yeah, I figured it out (ググル先生のおかげで) and you're right. Makes me wonder, though, are you really missing out on anything by not getting this sort of reference?

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>>19099874
well its not the only time that sort of thing happens in the game i found it to be a pretty big (!!) thats pointing out that things are a little strange here

[Anonymous No.]

I have a hard time understanding verbs in spoken Japanese. The parts that have meaning are just one or two syllables most of the time, and the rest is just conjugation.

I find it really hard to recognize short verbs like 見る when I hear them conjugated into a really long form. Should I just train myself to think of the concept of "seeing" when I hear "mi" at the beginning of a verb? Or are there so many verbs that start like that that it'd just be confusing?

[Anonymous No.]

Quof just posted this

[Anonymous No.]

literally who

[Anonymous No.]

our guy

[Anonymous No.]

living proof that djt's method works

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099890
*nods sagely like kdub shine*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnJMBcQFNME#t=185

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099885
Are you really shilling the translation for not getting a reference of a 30 year old japanese song? Even if he did get it how is he gonna translate it to keep the reference alive?

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>>19099911
if you werent born yesterday you wouldnt even ask something that stupid cause youd know whats up about the tlwiki version of syarin lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099911
He literally said
>theres moments like these where theres just nothing that can be done without just flat out telling you the reference which still wouldnt really help i dont think
Read closer, friend anon

[Anonymous No.]

look at what you made him do. he deleted everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099885
Ah, right. If it's foreshadowing then I guess that makes more sense.
Still, I think what I want to say here is that this sort of thing happens in any language, even to native speakers, so to me it's something that people just need to learn to accept.

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>>19099829
Is this a reference to that karekano ed song?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099829
What is considered bad about this translation? It seems accurate to me. I know it is a reference but it is not misrepresenting the original material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099930
Guys >>19099914
Read his post before replying
I'm getting frustrated on his behalf

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099925
i like you cause thats a really cute point of reference

～キミに花丸を～

>>19099933
im used to it dude i post in djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099933
But the poster said this game was one of the biggest translation disasters of all time, but the picture he gave is a fine translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099933
Why dont you get on your knees and suck his fucking cock off then you stupid faggot. Reread the post you replied to

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099946
Holy Shit
>>19099947
Honestly, I'm getting close to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099946
because i said "even if things arent incredibly abysmal"

but things now are incredibly abysmal like your posting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099889
You should train yourself in the concept of reading and listening to a fuckload of Japanese. Verb conjugation is one of the things you'll have nailed down through a little reading long before you're actually good

[Anonymous No.]

This might be an odd question but after a few weeks of studying Japanese grammar I've noticed that most sentences tend to be very minimal in terms of what is conveyed. Obviously, I guess. My question is how often are sentences in Japanese elongated and include the commonly omitted pronouns, nouns, etc, especially when speaking to actual Japanese individuals.
Perhaps another way of asking: is Japanese writing the same as Japanese speaking?

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>>19099911
also since my expectations were a bit exceeded ill also say that its not just a 40 year old song but its one of the most well known songs period and anyone that wasnt born yesterday is going to notice it alongside most of the other similar instances

which is why i expressed the sentiment that its unfortunate this kind of thing cant be helped

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>>19099146
できる

かわいいはせいぎ

>>19099552
そとにでよう

[Anonymous No.]

Is a skinny gaijin nerd supposed to use boku or ore? I've heard that boku makes you sound like a wimp but ore sounds cringy if you ARE in fact an unmanly wimp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100019
あたし

[Anonymous No.]

俺様 is the only valid option

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099917
What a pussy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100019
僕様

[Anonymous No.]

我が名

[Anonymous No.]

>>19098520
to talk about pronouns and suck ass really bad

[Anonymous No.]

To report the shitskin yet nothing happens. Perhaps he should finally kill himself, the one useful thing in his entire worthless life

[Anonymous No.]

edgy af

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099966
>is Japanese writing the same as Japanese speaking?
It's the same in the same ways written English is like spoken English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100106
welcome to japan if you got a problem you should try handling it yourself first

[Anonymous No.]

>>19098226
>>19098230
Retard beginner here. What do the different columns represent in these charts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100117
nothing
also these images are bad memes, ignore them

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100117
You should ignore the OP entirely, and just read the guide. Oh wait, the shitskin janitor made the thread, and didn't include the guide.
What a fucking joke DJT has become

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100117
what they represent is ~you get what you pay for~

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100130
if by "what you pay for" you mean "less money and nothing to show for it", yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100129
Meanwhile on /int/...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099811
Would that line actually be sexy IRL or would it come off as "this girl is a tryhard" or "this girl has mental issues"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100129
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSVFzxGjkYQ

[Anonymous No.]

Hey guys I have a problem. I have seemed to lost interest in manga/anime very badly over past 6 months or so. I continued learning because it might be a temporary loss but has this happened for any of you? Did you find new hobbies related to Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

I come into this threads expecting anons to roast George from Japanese from Zero.

I've learned a lot of stuff from his videos, but he seems like the kind of guy that could easily get roasted by the assholes in this thread.

Is he legit or is it all a meme?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099811
looks like youve found one of my translations

[Anonymous No.]

Do everyone a favor and kill yourself normalfaggot shitskin
>>19100133
Wait its actually up for once? Wow we got containment, actually good news

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100146
He knows Japanese well enough to teach it. His resources very well might be better than academic textbooks. However, you should not use any "educational" resources that you have to pay money for, nor ones that are designed to be used for an extended period of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100146
He's a K-Pop loving pedophile obsessed with asian women (mainly the children ones)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100146
hes legit but the shit he sells arent going to do anything for you that other publications will

>>19100151
im not black and im higher level in all things 2d than you will ever hope to be

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099811
>ten year old
>fourth grade
Is that loli a literal retard? How can you get such bad grades that you are held back a year in grade school?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100146
He seems like a nice guy but JFZ is nowhere near optimal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100159
Seems like a pretty fucking cool guy then. But I think I'll just learn by myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100181
Get some help, george

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100146
His daughter is pretty hot.

[Anonymous No.]

japanese from cero by jorge pendejo jeje

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese is hard as balls, but I wouldn't have it any other way. It protects otaku culture and other weird Japanese shit from low IQ normie gaijins and the influence of western moralfaggotry.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100208
actually its easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100210
Maybe it is for native Chinese speakers.

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>>19100215
i'm a native english speaker and i learned japanese by memorizing the hiragana and katakana then reading a single series of manga with furigana without looking up any words or grammar
try doing that with german or russian, oh wait you can't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100210
Take it from someone who doesn't know Japanese that it's hard.

[Anonymous No.]

Please keep your thread titles consistent so I can easily filter it, thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100225
Won't happen again sir.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100225
Keep being triggered

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100210
It may be because I'm just starting out and it's a lot of shit to take in, but the more advanced grammar I see, the more kanji start to look really fucking tame in comparison. Vocabulary seems massive too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100240
honestly learning words is the only part of japanese that's remotely difficulty but that's hard in every language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100219
This is like the kid who tells you drawing is easy and then shows you his binder full of stickmen and dick doodles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100208
even though youre only owning yourself with your elitism lets remember not to be elitist in this family friendly thread where everyone can learn nihongo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100245
喧嘩なら日本語でいい
もちろん、アタシならできるわ

[Anonymous No.]

だれうま

[Anonymous No.]

What's so hard about learning japanese? All you have to do is watch 10000 hours of anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100208
It's a culture OBSESSED with politeness, harmlessness and political correctness. It only takes a small minority of permanent gaijin population to influence the culture and start the censorshitfest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100259
you gotta watch 10000 hours of anime and then do more things after that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100208
Quality post. Its fun to see them try on /int/ though, they get quite feisty come the new year

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100248
That would be the stickman. Now show me your dick doodle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100208
quality fanfic starter where can i read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100208
I don't think it protects shit. I'm still here and I've only watched like 10 anime.

[Anonymous No.]

I only want to read one precise book about Japanese(how to read and write), is there a book?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100281
Now you've get out!!!

[Anonymous No.]

anime is literally babbie's first otaku media

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100283
Behold

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>>19100277
英語ネイティブ者であるアタシじゃ
仮名学んだあとに一言も調べなかった一つの漫画連作よんだよ
一言も調べなくても勉強になったんだ。
ドイツ語とかロシア語なんて、こうしてためしてみて。ありえないなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100281
You are still here and you are still posting in English

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100297
やはり駄目だねこりゃ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100296
>>19099910

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100208
>artistic 3D loli nudity banned
>Olympics 2020
>anime premiering on Netflix
It doesn't protect shit. In 5 years we'll see Japanese feminists with blue hair protesting on the streets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100304
なにもんか
まぁ読む時間高くないな

[Anonymous No.]

E V E R Y B O D Y P O O P S

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100304
this is a scribble, now post a doodle

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100312
i got bad news for you the feminist movement is already over and won most ladies got more game than most of these guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100296
thx for nothing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100297
>英語ネイティブ者
That's not how you use 者
>仮名学んだ
Where did that を go
>一言
Doesn't mean what you think it does/not used like this

The rest is a mess too

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100315
じゃあその読む時間とやらを積んで出直してきな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100312
>artistic 3D loli nudity banned
Why do I still have to filter through so much of it when I look at the ロリビッチ tag on Pixiv then?

[Anonymous No.]

i just memorized hiragana tell me right now why i shouldn't force win10 to use japanese everywhere

[Anonymous No.]

>win10

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100344
Because you should upgrade to win7

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100344
>win10

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100344
Here's a good reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100329
>That's not how you use 者
Yes it is. You can google 日本語ネイティブ者 or 英語ネイティブ者 and get plenty of wellformed grammatical results.

>Where did that を go
That's a typo. I deleted a stray "w" right before posting because I thought I accidentally slipped into laughing mode, but it seems that I didn't press o after it.

>Doesn't mean what you think it does/not used like this
It's grammatically and syntactically valid to use it that way, just not idiomatic. The manga I read didn't contain the phrase "I didn't look anything up", so naturally I don't know the natural way to say this.

さあ、他のところを日本語で説明せよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100329
>>19100373
>at least one of these anons is wrong, since they contradict each other
>at least one of them is shitting up the thread by giving wrong info and leading other learners towards the path of Hell

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100383
It's probably the guy who says he learned Japanese by reading one manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100383
They're both wrong but neither of them will ever know how.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100392
文句があれば日本語で言ってください

[Anonymous No.]

>せいやね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100373
Sorry I meant "grammatically and semantically".

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>>19100373
>You can google 日本語ネイティブ者 or 英語ネイティブ者 and get plenty of wellformed grammatical results.
Picture

>That's a typo
Sure

>It's grammatically and syntactically valid to use it that way
It's not how a native would use it or say what you wanted to say

[Anonymous No.]

おい馬鹿ども何thefuckやってんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else listening to a 24/7 youtube Japanese news stream and not understanding a single word?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100422
dont worry dude subliminal incomprehensible nihongo is like all the sperms that dont make it to the egg

but the 1 that does dude holy shit..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100418
君の母さんをヤってます

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100406
わかんねぇ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100407
>Picture
If you can't read those results and conclude that the construction is wellformed, then you don't know Japanese.

>It's not how a native would use it or say what you wanted to say
そういっただろう

>or say what you wanted to say
Yes it is.

お前、日本語わからない人ですか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100400
前にも言ったけどあんたにはそういう口を叩く筋合いはまずない

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100297
>アタシ

[Anonymous No.]

Is it true that people in Japan go to hot springs with their friends? Wouldn't that get really awkward unless you are a literal toddler?

I mean, do 10 year old girls actually go there with their moms and sometimes encounter one of their female classmates with her own mom? Isn't it super awkward to see a member of the same sex butt naked at that age? And then going to school the next day knowing what your friend's ass and pussy look like? Do they really not bat an eye to this stuff?

Does this ACTUALLY happen in Japan or did anime lie to me? You know, the whole "5 high school girls going on a school trip to the mountains and bathing together in an onsen". Couldn't that lead to bullying, considering that they get to see their shy classmate's pubes and tits? What if they decide to bully her at some point durin the school year and spread rumors about her naked body between all the girls in the school?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100441
すみません。それ、教科書から教わった、か。
まずい用語ですよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100453
This really reads like a reddit post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100453
All japs look the same, so technically they have all seen each other naked since they first looked in a miror.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100453
It's not shameful being naked with other guys unless you're a faggot, same goes for females.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100465
fucking EPIC roast, +1 upvoted put me in the screenshot

[Anonymous No.]

わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100472
ゲイジュツ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100453
If 4 female bullies force the bullied girl to come to an isolated place and strip naked for all 15 girls in the class to see, it's a terrible case of bullying.

If the same bullied girl goes to an onsen with all of her female classmates during a school trip, the bullies take away her towel and everyone sees her naked until the bullies decide to give it back as she begs and cries, it's still bullying.

The same exact number of people saw her completely butt-ass naked against her will in both scenarios. Why isn't the second scenario considered bullying bait, though? Do bullied girls seriously go to these trips knowing what can happen? Or is the whole onsen thing so ingrained in the culture that they don't mind being seen naked THERE but would commit suicide out of shame if they were seen naked somewhere else by the same people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100476
ゲイゲイ

ホモゲイ

わたしのbuttpussyついて

[Anonymous No.]

When you rip a phrase from Google and make sure it's not uncommon/a typo/dialectal and someone still says it's bad Japanese. 笑う
お前らよ。言い下手の可能性がある前ググルで見てよ

[Anonymous No.]

its not what you say its how you say it ding ding

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100453
>you'll never be a Japanese lesbian loli and get to see your cute friends in their birthday suit
Seriously, being a lesbian loli in Japan must be fucking paradise.

[Anonymous No.]

When every individual sequence in a sentence is well formed and the ways they connect are well formed then the sentence is well formed.

[Anonymous No.]

how is sentence formed

[Anonymous No.]

by the recursive generation of lexical phrases

[Anonymous No.]

ワターシはボッビーです
コレからアナタ達の英語教師にナリマスYO

[Anonymous No.]

Why does hiccup of the heart happens.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100509
>he thinks 160 results makes it common

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100509
For long phrases, like three non-grammatical words or more, having more than like ten or twenty results means that they're not rare. Not only that, having a single example produced by a candid native in correct form means that it cannot be ill-formed.

You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100465
This. Gooks are disgusting slant-eyed buck-toothed samefags and they all look like the same guy. Lolis are no different. If you want to touch a gook loli, you are literally attracted to subhumans. Disgusting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100548
英語ネイティブ人 has less results than 英語ネイティブ者
get over it, the post that said 者 was being used wrong was wrong

[Anonymous No.]

check this out guys
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%22%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E%E6%AF%8D%E8%AA%9E%E8%A9%B1%E8%80%85%22

[Anonymous No.]

the best way to tell someone your nihongo is right is to tell them in english

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100564
>implying you need anything after the ネイティブ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100559
You're trying too hard man

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100581
いらない≒いけない

[Anonymous No.]

also check this out guys
https://www.google.co.jp/search?q=%22%E8%8B%B1%E8%AA%9E%E3%83%8D%E3%82%A4%E3%83%86%E3%82%A3%E3%83%96%22

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100585
It sounds unnatural to have 者 after it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100601
不自然ではありません

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100601
You L-I-T-E-R-A-L-L-Y don't know Japanese. Cry harder.

I'm >>19100564 btw.

[Anonymous No.]

無機質に聞こえる

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100610
No you're not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100610
You don't need to tell me who you are. I already realized it by your tone. You are getting very rude, though. Calm your tits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100610
>>19100617
>samefag backpedaling after realizing that his post was a mistake.

[Anonymous No.]

all yall poopy boys need to pipe it down

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100623
Why are you responding to yourself (first quote)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100623
>01:27:48
>01:28:08
yeah that's totally a spontaneous samefag
stop false flagging. you don't know japanese and you were wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100581
YOU are the one pretending to be me to downplay my arguments and win the fight. Piss off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100635
you're neither of us, fuck off and stop shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100619
>>19100623
>>19100631
Literally the same fucking guy. What's going on?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100638
please stop

[Anonymous No.]

Is infinite japanese app good? going to start this monday (have too much work during weekends) and it seems like a good app to just memorize simple words and numbers since even a braindead shitter like me could learn some shitty words without even trying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100619
It wasn't me, it was someone else pretending to be me. How did you even fall for that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100648
nope just read japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19098226から>>19100650までは同じfag lol

[Anonymous No.]

you can tell they're not me because they're not posting in lowercase

[Anonymous No.]

I wish the mods actually cared about these threads still

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry, I like posting Japanese that looks grammatically correct to incompetent non-natives to stir shit. It's all my fault.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100650
Ok I guess I'll put on some hours after gym on monday and start reading the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100660
I meant grammatically incorrect here. But you can read it either way you want. For maximum meme.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100662
Your mommaはgramatically incorrect.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100649
That wasn't fucking me either, I didn't fall for shit.

[Anonymous No.]

im getting a weird error when i try to install anki on windows 10 can anyone help

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100671
>windows 10

[Anonymous No.]

兄木 = 兄??

what the fuck is the 木?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100666
let me show you how its done my shinobi

>>19099129
yo mama aho

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100681
a thing that grows out of the ground has branches and leaves etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100690
Yeah why is it tree brother?

[Anonymous No.]

im getting a weird error when i try to install anki on windows 10 can anyone helpᬓ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100681
a typo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100696
my brother cant possibly be this tree

[Anonymous No.]

I
FUCKING
CAN'T.

[Anonymous No.]

勉強になりたい？いやあれは下手だよね…できる！っていいたい？いやそれも下手だろう…やりたいならなぜやらないの？日本語使って、読んで、聞いても。なぜだろ。
ボクを聞いてよアノンちゃん。アノンなら出来る。「やってみれば」だけだけど。出来ると決めたよ。

[Anonymous No.]

you can dude just fuckin let it flow

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100705
this post is so fuckin bad i dont even wanna respond with わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100706
I
FUCKING
CAN'T

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100714
just stir into glass of water

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100711
nah man it's 唯一第一

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100722

Will that increase my IQ enough to allow me to learn all the Kanjis in the world?

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9QPM81oibA&

>Can't even understand lvl 4 kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099073
I started reading imabi after Tae Kim.
It's way too hardcore for beginners (well, I'm a beginner too, but you get what I mean). You'll lose plenty of time trying to digest all the details.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099088
You'll come back crying when you realize you can't understand basic sentences in Yotsuba.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100899
i mean people that do read that shit come in here and not understand basic sentences in yotuba so

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100949
So you want to be one of them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100967
be one of the people who reads multiple grammar guides and does flashcards but cant get through the first volume of yotuba? nah im straight homie ill leave that to the more experienced learners of djt

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100976
Touche, I know my English sucks.
What I mean is, the people who can't get through the first volume (or any other volume for that matter) after having read the guide are exceptionally retarded. To learn the Japanese grammar without reading any textbooks in just as short a period of time you'd have to be exceptionally talented.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100984
all my weeb friends who go to college classes and read genki/jsl/minna no nihongo tell me that they can't read anything easily

the only people i know who have become able to read easily are the ones who i've successfully forced to read

[Anonymous No.]

>傔仗

[Anonymous No.]

Swallow the kanji pill. I accept now that I'll need to eventually learn thousands of kanji characters, so there's no reason to put it off. But I don't want to go overboard and try to learn too many at once. I will stick to nice little bite sized chunks like 10 or so a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100986
> genki/jsl/minna no nihongo
Because those were not designed to teach you to read or even have an informal conversation.
MNN in the "vocabulary" section gives verbs in their polite forms, that should tell everything about its quality.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19098241
I found a Japanese guy who is learning English using /a/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dULIHXPeUOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UD_LG-2mWIg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nOnaZjuc4w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zFph2c_TY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JNQZYHnLUw

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101024
No fucking way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101024
In video 1 does he ever figure out that "pussy" isn't "neko-chan"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101078
Because he read that "the deep" can mean the ocean, now he thinks that "Jizzakh deep into her" might have something to do with the Djizak Reservoir near the city of Jizzakh. This is amazing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101078
yes, like, within seconds of taking note of the word

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101024
this is what all english all the time looks like

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101024
英語でこんなヘタクソな奴を見るだけで自分に日本語を学ぶの勇気がなんとか戻すな気がするんだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101170
他人を軽蔑するよりまずは自分の無能さをなんとかしてね

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101024
Has someone invited him to DJT yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101181
Please don't, he'll learn faster on /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

リア充なりたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101174
そうします先輩、すまぬ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101161
In the end he was able to understand it. An inspiring example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099088
But if I'm just reading how do I get a reinforcement loop? If I make a mistake how can I tell it was a mistake, and if I get something right how can I tell it was right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101226
The brain, and human languages, are rigged in such a way that this is not actually a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101226
Unless you're just reading random sentences then you will quickly notice you're wrong when nothing makes any fucking sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101024
>Thats how i look when reading japanese
恥ずかしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19099088
>Nobody acquires language by memorizing seemingly arbitrary rules.
I do. Because a language is indeed a set of rules everyone has agreed with. Mathematics is a language too and I'm not trying to reinvent the wheel when I study it if I can make use of things other people had done before me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101531
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101534
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101536
yes i do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101534
Yeah, but I'm still better than everyone or almost everyone in this thread. Wait a few days and you'll see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101542
yeah good luck with that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101541
you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101545
yes i do

[Anonymous No.]

Are the questions of the last JLPT tests published anywhere?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101576
You better look for kanji kentei questions.

[Anonymous No.]

Well I'll be damned. Learn something new every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100392
Manga isn't even reading anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101735
What you guys are referring to as reading manga, is in fact, reading the text in manga, or as I've recently taken to calling it, manga plus reading. Reading manga is not reading itself, but rather another action that causes full functioning reading to happen, made useful by the printed words, optional furigana, and vital visual components comprising comprehensible input as defined by Stephen Krashen.

Many Japanese learners realize modified version of the reading method every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of reading which is widely used today is often called "reading manga", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically reading, according to the consumption of text.

There really is manga, and these people are consuming it, but it is just a part of the method they use. Manga is the medium: the text in the material that causes language acquisition within the reader's mind. The text is an essential part of a reading experience, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete comprehensible context. Manga is normally used in combination with the reading method: the whole package is basically reading with manga added, or reading/manga. All the so-called "manga" methods are really methods of reading/manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101735
fuck off retard

[Anonymous No.]

I feel retarded for not understanding this, but
> 今日からホールに出てもらう新人さん紹介するね
> 出てもらう新人
Is the subject of the relative clause 新人 or the speaker?
If 新人, then why "もらう", she's the one working in the dining area.
Or is もらう simply not an auxiliary verb in this case, as in "注文をもらう"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101892
Forget the metalanguage shit, just feel it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101892
>Is the subject of the relative clause 新人 or the speaker?
新人
もらう is the 店長 asking the 新人 to work in the ホール.
>今日からホールに出てもらう新人さん
The new guy that I asked to work in the hall starting today

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101920
But if 新人 is the subject, shouldn't it be 出てくれる ?

[Anonymous No.]

「甘ったりぃ勝負で腹はくちくなるめえ」

What is め?　「ね」?

This isn't the first time I've encountered it but I haven't been able to figure out what it means

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101892
今日からホールに出てもらう新人さん　 "を"　 紹介するね

>>19101920
Since he's the person who hired the new girl he's not asking her to work, but having her work
>I'll introduce the newbie who'll be working in the hall starting today

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101936
もらう is just a general way to ask someone to do something for your benefit. くれる feels much more personal imo.

>>19101959
>Since he's the person who hired the new girl he's not asking her to work, but having her work
Well yeah but he's being a friendly guy so I tried to imply that, like if your boss "asks" you to do something you can't say no, but at least he's just being friendly about it instead of outright commanding you.
Translating is hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101946
これはむずかしいよ

>手を抜いた勝負では満足なさらないでしょう

の

えどことばだよ

あたしでもかなりむずかしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101959
> 今日からホールに出てもらう新人さん　 "を"　 紹介するね
That's not what my question is about.
> 出てもらう新人
It sounds like 新人 is the one "receiving" the favor of going out, as Tae Kim puts it, as if somebody else is going to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101984
>It sounds like 新人 is the one "receiving" the favor of going out, as Tae Kim puts it, as if somebody else is going to do it.
もらう is referencing the speaker, but the entire clause describes 新人.
>今日から新人さんはホールに出てもらう
Maybe this will make the clause make more sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102006
Okay, I'll remember this pattern.
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101982
「まい」か？
なるめえ＝なるまいってことでいいのか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102022
はっきりはわかんないけど

いいとおもう

ちょっとむかしのことばで

えどちほうのことば

かなあ

[Anonymous No.]

日本語ぺらぺらになるにはどうすればいいでしょう。。。

[Anonymous No.]

「進んで格子の中で生きる者もいるってことさね」

I understand ってことさ　and ってことね

Is さね just a combination of the two nuances or does it mean something different?

[Anonymous No.]

> 下さる
> 下がる
> 下げる
> 下る
> 下ろす

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102075
I hope you're enjoying core.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102064
You are hopeless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102080
Yeah, just came across this shit.
On the one hand no new kanji today, in the other hand - fuck, are you kidding me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102099
Here's a cool tip, go into the browser, select all the cards you haven't seen yet and randomize them. (ctrl-shift-s)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102089
sempai please

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102099
Suspend that shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19101024
Now realize that this is how badly you are misunderstanding Japanese whenever you read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102064
I gave up on trying to "understand" sentence-ending particles long ago.
They add an emotional nuance, so IMHO it's best to watch more anime and learn to feel them.
Articles about them only made me more confused, since they tried to document every emotion that could make a person say "ね" or "よ", that's a pretty difficult task, probably an impossible one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102139
I know they're hard to explain, all I want to know if it's equivalent to さ + ね

if it's not then I don't need an explanation

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102164
I feel like this is a case of read more, but what might be even more appropriate for your situation is to listen more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102164
What else could it possibly be?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102075
くださる
さがる
さげる
くだる
おろす

Did I get it right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102064
>さね

むずかしそうだけど

こっちはむずかしくないかな

ね

がくっつくと

だいたいじょせいてきというか

いみがやわらかくなるよ

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102205
Yes.
I know I'll get used to them soon enough, but I still find it retarded how many readings a single kanji can have. Clearly the Chinese writing system is not fit for Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm doing it!

[Anonymous No.]

guys, give me some support so we get them mad before they inevitably downvote it to hell

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102249
>baseball team
Why would you do that to yourself. The default Jisho/Wiktionary meanings are better than this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102249
stop wasting your time here and just do it faggot, I didn't miss a single day of learning with RTK
now I know 3030 kanji and I've been learning Japanese for only 3 months now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102249
gross

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102255
sorry I wrote a nine paragraph autistic rant then blocked reddit before I was able to experience the consequences of doing so

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102249
かきとりしないと

できるようにならないよ

ねいてぃぶでも

かきとりしないとだめ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102245
>I know I'll get used to them soon enough
It's been over a month since I first added those in my core deck and I don't know what any of them means. I just memorized their readings and that they have "something to do with going down or bringing down or lowering down"
Hoping I'll learn the actual meanings as I come across them when readings

Also, 下 isn't even the worst when it comes to a kanji having many different readings

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102261
someone post the reading chad one

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102255
What about you at least give us a link? We're not all regulars here, I have no idea what Japanese learning subreddits are there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102273
/r/LearnJapanese latest additions tab
links are a no-no here

[Anonymous No.]

guys we need more points >>19102255
BTW thanks for the points you've given so far!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102315
Why are you helping reddit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102357
helping people when reddit hurts them is exactly bad for reddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102258
RTK does not teach meanings, stop trying to pretend it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102376
rtk also doesn't help you learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102378
It does help you learn Japanese, because using it makes learning Japanese easier, at the cost of spending a few months to go through it.
It just doesn't doesn't teach you Japanese on its own, which is why so many people here are angry at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102255
While I agree that you certainly don't have to buy those books, "reading and google" is pretty vague in comparison to the assortment of books that are known for being helpful in one way or another.

[Anonymous No.]

trying to convince /DJT/, who don't even speak Japanese, that RTK is beneficial for them is like telling an alcoholic that what he drinks is bad for him

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102389
nope, staring at kanji with a blank face for a few weeks has the same effect as doing rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102396
yes, we need to be led all our lives by the hand, because we are stupid enough to make our own decisions and judge things appropriately

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102389
>九 is apparently a baseball team
If you can't understand and remember it's 9 by itself, you'll never learn Japanese. When I learned Latin alphabet as a kid I didn't pretend H looks like a ladder or A looks like a spaceship from Asteroids, I just learned the sounds through learning words, in Japanese you learn sounds and meanings through learning words. Pretending 九 is a baseball team for some unknown purposes is just retarded. You'll never learn Japanese and I wish you realize it after years of study, because then you'll realize how stupid you were for trusting that shitty book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102425
how come Matt learned Japanese and at the same time did go through this shitty book?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102430
he did rtk long long after he started learning it and he only did rtk because a scammer told him to

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102425
No matter how compelling your argument against RTK, if you present no alternative it is worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102430
How come I learned English and at the same time did go through all of the Call of Duty games? Clearly there is a correlation.

[Anonymous No.]

>RTK doesn't teach you meaning
>RTK doesn't teach you readings
>RTK doesn't teach you Japanese
What the fuck does RTK actually teach you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102433
I see. But he went through it BEFORE he learned Japanese, and you said that the other guy >>19102389 won't learn Japanese because of the RTK. Not very consistent thinking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102446
How to write without spending 10 years in the Japanese educational system. Are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102454
I'm pretty sure anybody without parkinsons can write.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102457
It's retardation, then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102404
You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Every time you encounter a kanji/reading you don't know - write the WORD down. Do that for every kanji. Now you have a small dictionary of meanings and readings. Make an Anki deck out of it. Now you can learn various meanings through actual words that use them, your vocabulary gets richer and you get the readings. All in one with just little effort. And it's one of the methods, make one yourself if you want to. If you think a perfect method for you is gonna be handed to you on a silver plate without any effort on your side - you're wrong and you're gonna fail miserably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102425
>You'll never learn Japanese
But I already learned japanese, and RTK did help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102472
>>19102434
Hell, meant to reply.

[Anonymous No.]

Benefits of RTK:
- learn meanings behind most of the kanji learnt,
- learn how to write out the kanji by hand,
- learn that kanji isn't difficult, learn what it is composed of, have easy time with learning new kanji in the future
- for some it's easier to learn readings and proper meanings for the kanji they already know, because they don't have to bother about its writing any more
- you don't make stupid threads on /DJT/ about how you confuse kanji X with kanji Y
- it takes only 3 months to learn 3k of them, less than all the shitposting an average user leaves here + most redditors don't know more than 500 kanji after 10 years of studying the language

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102446
How not to be afraid of kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102470
that's my line

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102472
Why do this ridiculously inefficient garbage when you could generate anki cards automatically by pressing a button on your keyboard?　It's not the 20th century anymore grandpa.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102488
Your line is wrong, mine isn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102472
You're supposed to do that anyway.
Can you write the kanji you know from memory?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102493
you don't know Japanese though
I do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102502
wrong again

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102507
ok post your jlpt score or recording of a page of toradora

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102479
Additional points:
- when I don't know some kanji's reading but remember its RTK meaning I can simply find it in the index because I have a word associated with it in my head
- it's been used by people who actually learnt how to speak Japanese (the nigger, Matt, Brit) unlike /DJT/fags

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102491
Where is the button I press to generate cards for words containing all JIS X 0208 kanji (at least one word per kanji reading and meaning)? My keyboard doesn't have one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102517
you can't learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102494
Yes. I mess up stroke order sometimes, because I did individual study for radical parts, but when I'm testing myself I usually do good.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102517
lmao
Should have read the guide like we told you to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102518
You implied I can generate cards by pressing a button without all of the shit I mentioned, I want to know where is that button.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102532
no i didn't that was someone else

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102510
Your turn

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102529
>using shitty autominers

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102537
hi Matt, you took longer to learn Japanese than I did lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102446
It wastes your time, so it teaches you to not trust shills and ledditors.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102537
Did you do any of those Shin Kanzen Master/Sou Matome books when you were preparing for the exam? Wondering if it's really necessary to do anything more than reading and listening to native material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102548
I'm not Matt.
And if you want a page of Toradora, here you go

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102553
You're supposed to read it out loud and record it on vocaroo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102537
>N1
even Matt said that fucking certificate was a joke and he'd only get it because normies like you believe it's worth anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102552
Yes. For N2 I bought the whole set of Shin Kanzen Master N2, but the vocab and kanji ones were literally useless. The listening one was probably good, but I had absolutely no problems with the listening on JLPT, so I mostly ignored that as well.
For N1, I only got the reading and the grammar ones, and both were very useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102558
>y-yeah, it's not like I wanted the N1 certificate or whatever

[Anonymous No.]

At this point everybody should be aware of paid language certificates. If that TOFEL guy didn't open your eyes, I don't know what will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102558
I only posted it to shut the other guy up. He seems to think it means something.

>>19102557
And how would that prove I know japanese? You can "read" a text aloud without actually understanding it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102567
I don't want some shitty certificate to pretend I speak decent Japanese. Knowing that I speak it well > certificiate that you can get without speaking well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102573
I don't know, ask the toradora page poster.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102575
>I-I don't want it, but here it is anyway, just to shut you guys up!

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102581
You're mixing up different posters here

[Anonymous No.]

計画通り
踊れ虫よ

[Anonymous No.]

Remember this the next time someone uses "no one who has used RTK has ever learned japanese" as an argument.
The guy who shit on RTK while claiming to know japanese hasn't posted any proof, while the one using RTK has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102537
>2016
>passed N1
>still posting here like a retard years later
Passed the exam but failed life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102606
nobody here made that argument

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder RTK was laughed at before the matt shilling started.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102615
this

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102606
Of course he didn't because nobody here has actually learnt Japanese with the sticky, unlike AJATTers.

[Anonymous No.]

minna los bakas

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102615
Reminder RTK only ever started being laughed at because of shills pushing Wanikani.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102621
yes they have lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102425
>If you can't understand and remember it's 9 by itself, you'll never learn Japanese.
It's not about understanding, it's just a word that helps you memorize this kanji and its meaning.
>When I learned Latin alphabet as a kid I didn't pretend H looks like a ladder or A looks like a spaceship from Asteroids
But it would have been easier if you had actually done it. There is just a bunch of letters that you're in contact with throughout your life, so it's kinda hard to forget them.
>in Japanese you learn sounds and meanings through learning words.
Learning words doesn't contradict using RTK or learning kanji.
And I'm actually against RTK because it could have been made much better. The only real advantage of RTK is that it hints how you should study japanese (or any) vocabulary, grammar and whatnot (with associations\mnemonics), so people doing RTK will most likely apply this method in the future and have a lot more success with their studies. But really they could just learn how our memory works, read about mnemonics and study whatever they like.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102624
Proof besides your cheap word?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102623
nope

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102633
yup

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102628
me and all my friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102641
if you spoke Japanese you wouldn't be here + you don't have friends

[Anonymous No.]

stop frontin yall none of yall use any japanese a japanese knower would want to engage with

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102636
rtk was laughed at long before wk existed and the archives prove it, try again

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102643
I'm here because of the terrible op and I made my friends in older djt threads. through dick unity

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102479
RTK: See an unknown word, go "hey I know that kanji yipee!" and still have to look up what the word means and how it's read
Non-RTK: See an unknown word, have a higher chance of already knowing it since you learned Japanese instead of pretending to learn Japanese for 3 months, otherwise look it up
Man RTK is so great

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102657
>I made my friends in older djt threads.
oh, I thought you meant real friends in real life, I won't hit you any more because you're so pathetic you cound some internet faggots as your friends

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102649
uhh...
>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=RTK&search_ord=old

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102663
where the fuck do you think you are lmao

get the fuck out of jp

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102659
I can do everything you do and put RTK on top of that, how would my results be worse?

[Anonymous No.]

Konichiwa, DJT!

I really want to learn Japanese, but I'm just not sure where to start. My main goal will be to be able to watch anime and also to be able to be fairly descent at conversation. I don't care to much about reading or writing, so if I could skip those or just avoid them as much as possible so that I can maximize my speed when it comes to learning to listen.

I think most resources are aimed at learning reading and writing, like which I said, I don't care a whole lot about, so do any of you know how I can focus on verbal Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102664
djt didn't start on /jp/ dumb newfag. you haven't been here long enough to have experienced the wk shilling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102615
How did it start, anyway? How do people find all those e-celebs and why do they start shilling for them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102669
Not worse, slower. Do you have reading comprehension problems?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102674
>djt didn't start on /jp/
>you haven't been here long enough
really makes me think
Who is the new one again? :^)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102674
>unironic genki shilling
>wk shilling
>sakubi shilling
We've been through a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102681
>Do you have reading comprehension problems?
That's probably the reason he picked RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102682
You have brain damage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102687
>>sakubi shilling
This part never happened though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102697
Where the hell have you been two years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102681
Slower is relative. if you put 2 hours with your plan each day I will put 3 hours with RTK and we'll be in the same place speed-wise.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102701
Reading this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102697
sakubi please

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MujmV7bWfa4#t=91

your nihongo is so bad you dont even know why im posting this at this time stamp

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102712
Sakubi isn't a person's name

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102673
Nice try with the opening line, but it's still a reddit post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102714
how else should I call the guy who shilled it, Fred?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102723
Nobody shilled it so I guess you can't wow funny how that works

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102725
>Nobody shilled it
sakubi please

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102713
Your regular shitposting was better, lowercase. This rap thing is getting boring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102729
Present a piece of evidence showing that it got shilled

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102730
so if youre bored what are you gonna do learn nihongo? lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102725
>one year from now
>"nobody shilled RTK"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102736
hey you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102730
>getting boring
It wasn't fun to begin with, I would be genuinely surprised if even a single person is following those links.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102742
I unironically like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102749
You forgot to type it lowercase, lowercase.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102702
Oh so you're just retarded. Shouldve said that from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102769
underrated post

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102733
some brazil-anon made this only out of boredom then?

I'm not crawling through a shit ton of archive material just to prove it to you, everyone knows it happened
shut the fuck up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102682
DJT started as a post someone made on /a/ about making new scanlators and fansubbers. The occasional /jp/ Japanese threads are unrelated to DJT.

[Anonymous No.]

now now i have enough dick for everyone to get their kuchibilus on

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102777
No they made that because they were getting trolled really fucking hard

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anything more cringy than people posting youtube comments in broken ROMAJI?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102702
>if you put 2 hours with your plan each day I will put 3 hours with RTK and we'll be in the same place speed-wise

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102785
it was the same thing here, sakubi just left /int/ earlier because everyone could call out his obvious samefagging by the flags

[Anonymous No.]

How is インテリビレッジの座敷童 for a first LN?
Seems like another harem shounen, so it shouldn't be too difficult, but I can't be sure.
I know there's Kino, but I want some anime titties to keep me 元気 during the exhausting process of looking up a new word every 30 seconds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102777
>that filthy tae kim pamphlet

[Anonymous No.]

watashi wa nihon no shoujo ga kawaii to kowai to warui to ii desu. watashi wa americajin desu. watashi wa kakoii desu. watashi wa ame ga sukimasu.

hehehehehe my japanese is so good and natural

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102807
上手！上手！

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102798
Read whatever interests you, how many times do you have to be told this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102780
You shouldn't respond to shitposts seriously.
Also, I was referring to him coming from /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

atasiha kitui anatano anawo horitaidesu
tumari atasiha geidesu

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102795
You mean the board where people started accusing americans of writing it when the actual writer is britsh, and admitted to writing it, with a flag, on /int/?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102615
It's really a terrible books for studying kanji. Kanji you learn from this book are mindlessly copied from extremely flawed 常用 list and 人名用 (a half of kanji you could never meet in your life). The order of kanji in the book is also strange to say the least. There is no mention of sound component of kanji at all, but in reality it's an exceptionally useful thing for memorizing readings of words and kanji. Mnemonics are usually good but there could be really anything as long as it helps you memorize kanji as I said here >>19102625
It's really half-assed in what it's supposed to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102798
How about reading your favorite VN in Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102819
zyouzu ! zyouzu !

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102767
It's good music and I can't be bothered to search for this kind of shit myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102815
> Read whatever interests you
I'm interested *monogatari, but obviously I won't be able to read it any time soon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102825
i dont honestly believe you believe that and are just trying to trigger their sensitive butt pussys

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102821
>it didn't get shilled
>the shilling was done by someone else
ok

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102834
I didn't say that

[Anonymous No.]

https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/77892744/#77948415 by the way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102831
If you believe you can't do it then you definitely won't be able to do it.　The biggest failing NEET losers have is that they don't believe in themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102822
I wonder why it's so fucking bad to begin with.

I mean, seriously? Who needs ridiculous mnemonics for simple begginer kanji that you should just memorize anyway? What's the fucking point of associating 9 with baseball and using absurd baseball-based mnemonics for all the kanji with the 9 radical?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102833
Believe what you want to believe but I like it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102839
I know, you're implying that it just happened to be all americans who really loved this AWESOME GUIDE

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102844
>you will never lick Hikari's anus

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102859
Over half of 4chan's userbase is american

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102862
Most of them are on /b/ and /pol/

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102862
And that's why it has become a puritan shithole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102862
it was still the same guy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102866
Evidence required to process insane claim

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102867
sakubi please

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102859
Okay first of all you have to cross out the obvious troll posts, which the guy who made the image didn't, because he's fucking insane and doesn't have a lick of executive control.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102859
I repeat. I didn't say that. I didn't say that. I DIDN'T SAY THAT.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102847
Not true. I wanted 徒然チルドレン to be my first manga, but I got stuck on the second page. Didn't understand anything at all.
Then I said "fuck it" and read a volume of yotsuba instead. When I went back to it, I finished the first chapter in 20 minutes.
It does matter where to begin.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I be content with my retention rate? I know it's nothing to brag about, but it's not too bad either. right?

pic from yesterday btw

[Anonymous No.]

Today is a bad day, can I make it better?

[Anonymous No.]

i love it how despite the author posting on /int/ with a british flag on someone still stalked an american and pinned it on them, good going

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102875
What a childish little bitch

Just admit that you're wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102878
Woah hold on a second buddy, manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102831
You'll ever be able to read it, for shitty novels aren't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102885
What you guys are referring to as reading manga, is in fact, reading the text in manga, or as I've recently taken to calling it, manga plus reading. Reading manga is not reading itself, but rather another action that causes full functioning reading to happen, made useful by the printed words, optional furigana, and vital visual components comprising comprehensible input as defined by Stephen Krashen.

Many Japanese learners realize modified version of the reading method every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of reading which is widely used today is often called "reading manga", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically reading, according to the consumption of text.

There really is manga, and these people are consuming it, but it is just a part of the method they use. Manga is the medium: the text in the material that causes language acquisition within the reader's mind. The text is an essential part of a reading experience, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete comprehensible context. Manga is normally used in combination with the reading method: the whole package is basically reading with manga added, or reading/manga. All the so-called "manga" methods are really methods of reading/manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102874
>because he's fucking insane
haha you are paranoid dude chillax

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102879
A retention rate calculated from 14 cards is meaningless you chump.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102859
>>19102875
Petty samefag trying to make his opponent look bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102889
He literally ran away from a halfway house dude. It doesn't get more obviously insane than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102891
is this the part now when you photoshop screenshots? good times

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102890
Do young cards not count for some reason? I was referring to the overall retention rate

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102889
>>19102890
>>19102891
Stop pretending to be me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102897
If your true retention is above 50% then you are learning "effectively". Don't worry about anything but how much time you spend on Anki. 99% retention would still be worthless if you spent 10 hours a day on Anki to get such a number, likewise 60% retention would be fine if you somehow only spent like 10 minutes on anki but got through 400 reviews a day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102875
Just for the record, this post is not mine. I'm >>19102821

I can't believe you are resorting to impersonation to try and win the argument. Shame on you >>19102859

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102908
No you're not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102848
Well, I suppose in this case it's just for completeness, to name a book "remembering the kanji" and not include very basic stuff would be strange. There is also "remembering the kana", even though "you should just memorize anyway".

[Anonymous No.]

OP here.

Stop shitposting or I will delete the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that RTK is directly worse than resources that came before and after it, and even if you want to say that what matters is "the method", you should 100% definitely NOT be using RTK's keywords or ordering.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102914
OPs can't delete threads anymore, but you can report your own thread and it's likely to get deleted

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102912
I think it's stupid to force mnemonics just for the sake of completeness. It feels artificial and only confuses people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102914
>>19102920
this place deserves a nuke anyway

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102914
Stop pretending to be me.

ATTENTION, EVERYONE. THIS PERSON IS NOT ME >>19102914
>>19102914
>>19102914

[Anonymous No.]

this is like negative amounts of funny

[Anonymous No.]

im the op and all the posters except you

[Anonymous No.]

i already knew that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102927
>OP acting like an immature little kid just because someone claimed to be him
What the fuck, man? I thought you were more serious. I'm disappointed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102537
Good shit man. Please stay in this thread and continue helping strugglers.

[Anonymous No.]

yes please help me with your piece of paper lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102448
>But he went through it BEFORE he learned Japanese
Not entirely accurate. He said himself he understood a lot of readings of the Kanji before doing RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102932
It's a good novel with very credible conversations. Do you intend to publish it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102914
>>19102920
>>19102926
>>19102927
>>19102932
>>19102941
Real OP here. Don't believe these posts for a second. I'm not deleting the thread.

[Anonymous No.]

negative
amounts

[Anonymous No.]

realest of ops here and im also not deleting the thread because i said so

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102401
Currently doing RTK and listening to this stream for a few hours per day:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fu2etwHzcvw
I still can't understand Japanese but I feel my power growing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102963
>implying you are actually OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102954
>praising your own work
samefagging was a mistake

[Anonymous No.]

I sure am learning Japanese thanks to this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

the amount of funniness the thread currently have is so low that it stops being a countable number and starts being some kind of spooky stuff that just isn't natural

[Anonymous No.]

but all humans love the smell of their own farts and poop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102941
Why would he be, he's clearly a leddit shill. Just look at the op.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102973
The "except you" was totally referring to ME, not you. You are just one of OP's many personas. I'm the only person reading his (or should I say YOUR) thread full of samefag posts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102401
>self-introduction with the easiest language possible is a proof of fluency

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102702
You shouldn't have said this. Here's a more accurate rebuttal:
If he puts in 2 hours per day reading while you put in 1 hour per day reading and 1 hour of RTK, your retention will be higher than his. This is an exaggeration but it's true in principle and the deeper into the process you are the more skewed in favor of the RTKer it becomes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102988
citation needed

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102981
Especially cute lolis. You'd have to be a literal faggot with shit taste not to find yourself cute if you are one.

[Anonymous No.]

this thread just proves this thread series should cease to be

you all deserve to be free
i want you to be free

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz4T5dnWazI#t=161

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102988
what the hell are you on about

[Anonymous No.]

>>19098241
>cat shit
>warui
Korosu your actual, literal self.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103006
Korose*

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102822
>The order of kanji in the book is also strange to say the least
In the introduction of RTK Heisig explicitly states that the most common Kanji are not prioritized because he expects you to learn every Kanji in the book. He tried to sort the Kanji in terms of helping you remember them the most. If that means pushing a common Kanji to the back of the book then so be it. It won't be an issue if you complete the book.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103013
That's invalid.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102927
THIS PERSON JUST SPOKE TO ME IN A SEXUALLY HARASSING WAY. I ASKED HIM HIS NAME AND HE SAID "kinjyouubue"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103013
the overwhelming majority of people who start rtk do not finish it
this is true of virtually all self teaching materials

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102988
it'll be a little better but not enough to make up the difference by a longshot. nice job falling for the shilling hook line and sinker though gotta give you props for that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102978
Numbers don't work that way

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103015
But it's true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103023
Anon, do you know where the concept of negative numbers originated?

In the need for representing debt.

The non-negative integers are called the "natural" numbers for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103023
Counters don't either and that didn't stop gooks from filling their language with that shitload of ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103020
That's a fair criticism and it's a valid reason not to recommend RTK to most people. But if their IQ is 115 or above and you know they'll stick it out, then RTK is the way to go.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103029
Heisig says a lot. It's not all true. RTK's kanji order is bad, it's that simple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103034
fun fact the difference in effective intelligence between someone with 100 and 115 iq is nearly nothing

same with 85 and 100

woah

[Anonymous No.]

the fact that youre talking about funny in relation to numbers shows how much of a real blast reading your posts are

[Anonymous No.]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese-Language_Proficiency_Test#Estimated_study_time

Reminder you will never be fluent unless you put in at least three or four hours of reading per day. Why are you wasting your time shitposting on djt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103034
If your IQ is 115 or above you don't need RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

Holy fucking GOD, just tell me which learning materials are shit and which are good. I'm confused.

Is RTK good because an arrogant asshole says so on Youtube or is it a steaming pile of shit because a bunch of assholes say so on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm mentally disabled in such a way that speech comprehension is really easy but learning to read in kanji is incredibly hard. I can read anything with furigana with absurdly high comprehension, but struggle to read things spelled solely in kanji. RTK did the opposite of help: it cut my normal reading speed in half.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103050
everything other than RATTATA is bullshit
read and let the rat become you
if a rat can do it so can you

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103044
I think it's a meta joke because OMOSHIROI apparently means funny too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103050
>Is RTK good because an arrogant asshole says so on Youtube or is it a steaming pile of shit because a bunch of assholes say so on 4chan?
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103050
if you're too stupid to figure it out yourself then that means you're gonna need RTK lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103062
okay this is a very good thumbnail spook

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103042
Actually someone with 85 IQ is preferable because someone with 115 IQ is just smart enough to come up with his own dumb ideas, but not smart enough to realize how dumb his ideas are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103054
I only find pictures of the pokemon. The hell is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103069
wonder no more

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103042
Even the most "progressive" intelligence researchers like Eric Turkheimer admit that IQ is a valid measure of intelligence that predicts a wide range of characteristics in society like educational attainment, health, criminal activity, violence, ability to delay gratification, etc. IQ is considered the most validated construct in all of social science and nothing else even comes close.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103077
iq doesn't predict, it correlates
cite people who understand statistics next time

[Anonymous No.]

statistic: わたしはゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103080
Turkheimer understands statistics. But how about Emil Kirkegaard. Statisticians love IQ actually.
>iq doesn't predict, it correlates
Anon...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103087
when you have more than two variables, correlations are not necessarily predictions

[Anonymous No.]

154 IQ with mild assburgers here. I already have experience with language learning.

Should I bother with RTK or is it literally made for normies with a double-digit IQ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103099
rtk is made for people who aren't even studying japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103077
you obviously have no idea what the fuck you're talking about, please stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103096
Intelligence research is more comprehensive than you think it is and people smarter than you have ensured its validity as a measurement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103106
not an argument also you don't understand statistics and you don't know japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100013
>そとにでよう
いやだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103099
I really doubt you actually have 154 IQ, you probably took an online test

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103099
>I already have experience with language learning.
Is that so? Why are you even considering doing RTK then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103112
lmao why would he lie about his IQ on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.]

who cares what your iq is show me something youve done outside of take an iq test that validates your "intelligence"

[Anonymous No.]

lmao why would anyone lie about knowing japanese on 4chan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103105
>>19103110
Neither do any of you, but I'm just saying that even self-admitted leftists who research intelligence as well as statisticians agree that IQ measures cognitive aptitude and that IQ has always risen up to meet the standards/criticisms according to the experts I've read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102912
> There is also "remembering the kana"
Sounds just as dumb as "remembering the Latin alphabet".

[Anonymous No.]

Hey. someone help me with this? What does 言われてる mean in the lower left of the first panel?
Also, してあげる means to give a handjob/blowjob, something like that?
Thank you
please don't bully

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103131
not an argument and you have no idea what you're talking about and terfs aren't leftists

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103013
>In the introduction of RTK Heisig explicitly states that the most common Kanji are not prioritized because he expects you to learn every Kanji in the book. He tried to sort the Kanji in terms of helping you remember them the most. If that means pushing a common Kanji to the back of the book then so be it.
That's what I mean when I'm saying "half-assed". The most frequent kanjis are usually the most frequent parts of all kanji. You can start with 日 and 月, which are the sun and the moon respectively then you tell about a combination of both as 明; 木、森、林; 女、こ and so on, you could teach a few radicals, which aren't really kanji, like 辶 (road) and just enlarge the list. In this case you will have popular kanji first and you don't lost anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103135
be told by
yes
keep reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103138
I know I'm just going by what actual experts who participate in the field of psychometrics say, not what know-nothing commies on 4chan say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103112
If I believed a fucking online test I wouldn't have 154 IQ in the first place. I was tested by a professional several times.

It's funny how defensive people get when someone mentions IQ. My IQ is worth shit if I'm not motivated and keep procrastinating, it doesn't matter at all. No need to doubt it in order to feel better about yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103145
but he's reading manga, which is not actual reading
so you should say "start reading"

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103147
they're fake experts

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103151
What you guys are referring to as reading manga, is in fact, reading the text in manga, or as I've recently taken to calling it, manga plus reading. Reading manga is not reading itself, but rather another action that causes full functioning reading to happen, made useful by the printed words, optional furigana, and vital visual components comprising comprehensible input as defined by Stephen Krashen.

Many Japanese learners realize modified version of the reading method every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of reading which is widely used today is often called "reading manga", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically reading, according to the consumption of text.

There really is manga, and these people are consuming it, but it is just a part of the method they use. Manga is the medium: the text in the material that causes language acquisition within the reader's mind. The text is an essential part of a reading experience, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete comprehensible context. Manga is normally used in combination with the reading method: the whole package is basically reading with manga added, or reading/manga. All the so-called "manga" methods are really methods of reading/manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103148
I just think it's kinda sad that someone with genius IQ is just fine with being a fat neckbeard shitposting on 4chin about asian children

[Anonymous No.]

IQ tests were made to test for low intelligence, when they produce high numbers they don't even mean anything, none of you understand a thing about IQ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103148
Too much IQ can make you a dysfunctional trainwreck with socialization problems.

Double digit IQ literally prevents you from ever learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103099
Download a pdf of RTK and read the introduction, then decide for yourself if what RTK is trying to do seems useful.
It does exactly what it says in the introduction (which isn't "teach you japanese").

[Anonymous No.]

high iq is a curse
t. another ~150 iq holder

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103148
I could swear I've seen this exact post on /tv/ before
or maybe it's just the fact that everyone on 4chan at least has an IQ of 120+ and they all had "professional" tests

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103172
Do a bunch of laymen on 4chan actually think they better understand IQ than experts who have spent decades researching it because they read a wikipedia article that said the original intention of the IQ test was to help disabled children as if nothing about IQ or IQ tests have changed in the past century?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103099
rtk's introduction is laced with lies and intentionally misleading statements, please do not read it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103164
idk dude i think the smarter you are the more you dont want to play the same sick game the rest of 社会 is playin my ninja..

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103143
He does start with 日 and 月 (after the numbers)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103164
It's pretty fucking sad, yeah. What should I be doing instead, though? Life sucks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103182
laymen isnt a good term because no men here besides me (last night キミの母ちゃんと) have been laid

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103145
Thanks for help anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103179
Only if you have some form of autism. Genius IQ alone turns you into a successful asshole like Matt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103190
And he also teaches a lot of pretty rare kanji with these parts afterwards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103204
matt is incredibly fucking cursed though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103182
Do I think I know better than a small handful of crazy Neo-Nazi racial essentialists who have been disowned by most of the scientific community? Yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103155
It just doesn't feel right without the "Allow me to interject for a moment." at the beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujNSKqiWdWY#t=109

a-thug is high iq

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103204
matt probably has double digit IQ, being able to scam people on patreon does not make him a genius

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103210
Feel free to add it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102848
>What's the fucking point of associating 9 with baseball and using absurd baseball-based mnemonics for all the kanji with the 9 radical?
you don't need to associate shit if you believe you can remember 9's kanji by heart without mnemonics, that's what I did for the simplest kanji that I JUST understood without mnemonics
you aren't forced to make a story for 一 or 木.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103215
i mean if you wanna get money on the internet all you have to do is put a donate button and put eyes in front of it

its really that easy

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103209
>Neo-Nazi racial essentialists
Eric Turkheimer is a neo-nazi race essentialist even though he himself argues that despite IQ's ability to measure intelligence it doesn't mean that intelligence is immutable, and he constantly cautions people against attributing race differences in IQ to immutably genetic factors? Man leave this shit to the experts because you're clearly inept.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103164
>ywn have double digit IQ that allows you to get brainwashed into not liking little girls so you don't end up wasting your time posting about lolis on 4chan
I envy the disgusting normies. I really do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102848
The point is that you can then reuse the baseball thing to remember all the other kanji using 九 as a part

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103232
why not just stop being a pedophile

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103237
you don't need to
you don't want to
mnemonics are invasive

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103243
woah dude i think you're misinterpreting the usage of "liking" there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103073
I'm doing this and it's working. I've never felt better. Haven't started the reading all the time part though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103204
He is just above average/gifted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103073
can i get this printed on some 2ply i could use a quality buttwipe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103228
>Eric Turkheimer
No idea who this literal who is, but the actual mainstream scientific community completely rejects the idea that IQ is related to intelligence, IQ tests are only used to diagnose mental retardation by anyone who isn't a hack.

[Anonymous No.]

number of anti-RTKers who speak Japanese: 0
number of RTKers who speak Japanese: at least 3

DJT BTFO
it's funny how you lazy pieces of shit fight with your own thoughts and do anything to disgust RTK in your minds. it's also funny how you always say that RTK is a waste of time while you put much more time into shitposting here.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103243
Why not just stop being a faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103265
because thats what it means to post on 4chan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103237
>>19103237
I often just learn the kanji in 2 minutes without mnemonics or make up my own mnemonic. The baseball thing just makes me roll my eyes and say "yeah, whatever". But then all the fucking mnemonics talk about baseball, which makes them worthless. Half the book is worthless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103260
If I knew Japanese I wouldn't be talking about it to boost my ego. I'd be fapping to untranslated VNs in my basement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103256
>the actual mainstream scientific community completely rejects the idea that IQ is related to intelligence
Please stay in your lane and stop making stuff up, particularly when the stuff you're making up isn't particularly compelling (ie. "people who aren't experts in a field say the field is wrong"). Let's get back to Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103278
The point of the book is merely to use mnemonics on a particular order of Kanji. If you use your own mnemonics then Heisig would probably say that's great.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103285
Go back to /pol/ loser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103278
The book is just a portable and easy on the eyes list of all the 2000~ kanji in the best order for learning them. That's it. The mnemonics are 90% shit, just come up with your own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19098226
>be me
>be autist
>decided I want to write all the core kanji out on a couple pieces of paper so as to easily review them
>end up writing lines crooked
>end up fucking up a single kanji and starting all from the beginning to achieve perfect form


Anyone have any tips for not writing slanted or how to get the balance of a kanji correct every time. I'm autistically obsessing over this and I think its delaying my learning.

[Anonymous No.]

how do i easily make anki cards out of the kanji in RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103312
>writing by hand
Just do it a bunch of times for the purpose of memorization and recognition. Don't attempt to learn to write properly or remember how to write each kanji you know until you are actually fluent in reading, listening and speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103312
You're only doing this to procrastinate on the more mentally arduous task of actually learning Japanese. Not gonna make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103324
By downloading an existing deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103327
Do learn the basic tendencies of stroke order though those are helpful

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103312
Don't obsess with the details. Grab 20 random kanji, try to learn them with words and you'll be surprised at how you permanently memorized almost half of them in a single day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103312
Have you tried following the fucking stroke order?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100671
still having trouble with anki on macintosh here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103327
>Don't attempt to learn to write properly or remember how to write each kanji you know until you are actually fluent in reading,
lmao at anti-RTK shitters xD you will never reach fluency tho so you might as well learn these things right now

[Anonymous No.]

How do I type katakana without pressing the space bar 20 times to skip all the kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103209
>>19103256
>>19103303
>if you disagree with me you're a nazi!
>the mainstream scientific community completely rejects the idea that IQ is related to intelligence
No they really really don't. IQ tests are used for much more than diagnosing mental retardation. IQ tests are frequently used in all manner of scientific and social studies looking at intelligence and effects of drugs on the brain.
>go back to /pol/
>everyone i disagree with is /pol/ and emotional childs guide to arguments.jpg

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103351
f7 or something

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to delete "recognition" cards in a premade RTK deck because Heisig recommends doing recall only, but anki prevents me from doing so, saying that I'll delete notes in the process. What does this even mean? That recognition and recall templates are tied to the same card or "note", and deleting one of the templates will delete the whole note? How do I work around this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103356
Who the fuck are you quoting you stupid cross-boarding dickhead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103362
just suspend them

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone had experience using the online version of aedict? Been trying to find a competent dictionary with pitch accents and it seems like a solid source, but I've not seen it mentioned hardly anywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

daily reminder to make your own RTK deck, anything premade is shit because you're detached from it
you can speed up the process by putting your future cards into a spreadsheet and uploading it to Anki

[Anonymous No.]

>mfw I want to use Anki but I'm shit with computer programs
It's way too confusing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103343
Yes but anything with this 言 always ends up looking too wide and whenever I use the "road" radical in found in thing like 巡辺 It looks retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103381
>It's way too confusing.
Don't even bother trying to learn japanese

[Anonymous No.]

this is the most horrible thread in a long time, I hope you are happy now

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103375
I wanted to make my own deck but I don't know how to do shit so I'm just going to modify the existing deck by doing recall while replacing the stories with my own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103363
>the only board I browse is /jp/
Sure thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103350
Nice false flag posting there

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103384
That's because nobody actually writes them out like they would on a printing font. You just do a quick zigzag motion. It's almost physically impossible to write 書 or 事 your way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103375
This. You should learn all the words in context from reading something you are interested in. Never download a bunch of vocabulary cards and expect to remember that shit for too long.

It's like pokemon. If you catch them in the wild, they are better than the pre-made ones they give you in a facility. Go hunt for words and use the sentences you find them in as your example sentences.

[Anonymous No.]

thread is bad you are bad you should feel bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103391
this way you won't be able to check your progress with add-ons like kanji grid, but whatever suits you
also enjoy having a different set of kanji than in your copy of RTK

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103370
Thanks. Wasn't sure how to do it but I googled it and just had to type Card:Recognition to select them all at once.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103362
How does the "Recall" card type look like?
Are there any cards that would have an empty front side in there?

[Anonymous No.]

天才故の悩みはさておき流れに乗り上の上の上

[Anonymous No.]

有言不実行で口だけの輩共なら下の下の下

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103413
The keyword associated with the Kanji is on the front. The Kanji and stroke order are on the back.

[Anonymous No.]

健康優良不良 陰険人間 junkie ジメサギ 前人未到

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103398
>wild Pokemon are better then starter Pokemon

[Anonymous No.]

これまで何処の誰も見た事無い景色を見る

[Anonymous No.]

勝手気儘な人生の様に見えて麦のように踏まれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103398
>there are people in this thread RIGHT NOW who desperately want to learn Japanese but still waste their fucking life IV breeding monsters in a kusoge franchise.

[Anonymous No.]

育ってきた俺はkaiser候補

[Anonymous No.]

君の無知を晒したいなら毛色の違い認めないで嫌え

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103421
Then do a search for
Keyword:
(or whatever the keyword field is named). Does this find any cards? Those are probably causing the problem.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the deal with Oshiri or Omanko? Isn't manko a really vulgar world that you would never use in a formal setting? Why put the O at the beginning then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103405
You're probably right and I think I'm going to make my own deck because this premade one has lots of extra dumb shit thrown in like stories from Koohii but it seems like such a fucking pain to find a place I can copy the Kanji to a deck.

[Anonymous No.]

お好きにどうぞ

[Anonymous No.]

相当したな行動 省みない過去の物事

[Anonymous No.]

How does someone who doesn't know English even begin to learn Japanese? All the half decent material is in English, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

それも全て本当な上でmotto

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103458
Watch 10000 hours of anime subbed into a language you understand

[Anonymous No.]

文字でノートを埋めた玄人

[Anonymous No.]

ロリは禁断の果実

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103458
No, all the decent material is in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103449
probably the difference between "do you want to fuck" and "ey gurl, u want sum fuk"

[Anonymous No.]

だから堂々上場

[Anonymous No.]

決まりに乗っ取る形では

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103458
>All the half decent material is in English
how would you even know

but mostly this >>19103475
you don't learn japanese by textbooks anyway

[Anonymous No.]

自分の才能が示せないと分かった瞬間から

[Anonymous No.]

止めどない魂の叫びをギリギリの所で

[Mathew No.]

Hey guys its Matt here,

Just wanted to let you guys know that I posted a new video that I hope you guys like.

Honestly reading these threads really hurts my feelings because you call me bald and bad at Japanese.

Also daily reminder that I did RTK after being fluent so it actually is pointless and stupid.

[Anonymous No.]

切り取りパッケージにしたんだ

[Anonymous No.]

昨日今日のレベルじゃない俺は

[Anonymous No.]

文字通り立つべきステージが違う

[Anonymous No.]

これは根拠の無いボースティングと一線画してる

[Anonymous No.]

現実の領域の戦いだからちょっかい出してくんな

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103497
Real Matt here. STOP PRETENDING TO BE ME!

HEY, EVERYONE. THAT PERSON IS NOT ME. I'M MATT. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE DON'T BELIEVE HE IS MEEEEEEE!!!

[Anonymous No.]

Random japanese is better than copying reddit posts, I guess?

[Anonymous No.]

カス共の歌う 絵描き歌には

[Anonymous No.]

愛は勿論プライドも何もない

[Anonymous No.]

>これ以上

[Anonymous No.]

責めないで暖かい目で見てた俺は神様 仏様 有難い

[Mathew No.]

>>19103515
Well My name is CLEARLY Matt and yours is anonymous.

Also this is a lovely picture of myself.

While I am still here remember that Anki is only a supplement and is not necessary.

[Anonymous No.]

パイ分けない 全部独占さ mine

[Anonymous No.]

切り替えるbeastmode 容赦は無い

[Anonymous No.]

ミリ単位に拘ってる鍔迫り合い きりきり舞い まだ全然足んねえgo hard

[Anonymous No.]

ミリ単位で拘ってる 鍔迫り合い キリキリ舞い

[Anonymous No.]

I took a big, fat, smelly shit today and as it was whirling down the toilet drain I thought of this thread. How are you guys doing today? Still not learning Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

まだ全然足んねえ Go Hard

[Anonymous No.]

>posting rap lyrics in multiple posts
How do I report like 20 posts at once?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103536
>that room
Is he the stalker from Perfect Blue?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103558
report your life

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103551
Are you a cute loli?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103536
I'd appreciate it if you post a timestamp, it would be like an autograph for DJT.

[epic matt No.]

hey yall its your boy matt here i piss in jugs have no hair and my nihongos so bad its too much to bear

[Anonymous No.]

>You have to wait a while before reporting another post.
Why is there a cooldown?

[epic matt No.]

>>19103605
to slow down sperg retards like you

[Anonymous No.]

make sure you report the only japanese posted in the daily japanese thread for epic win lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103551
>Still not learning Japanese?
What do you think kid? Currently learning that the kanji with "5" on top and "mouth" on the bottom should be associated with the word "I", and that this can be remembered by thinking of "I, myself, have 5 openings or mouths on my head".

So to answer your question: Correct, I am not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103521
Yeah, at least I can't read those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103521
yeah at least i cant read those

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103620
another rtk victim

[Anonymous No.]

be real with me, stroke order doesn't actually matter much at all does it. people just say it does because they're told it does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103681
We can't help you if you aren't willing to help yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103681
Have you even tried writing?
Things turn out differently depending on stroke order.

[Anonymous No.]

I got really good at reading LNs, to the point where I manage 50-60 pages per hour, then I started reading real classical literature like 夏目漱石 and my reading speed dropped down to 5-10 pages per hour. I find myself forced to agree that LNs aren't reading.

[Mathew No.]

>>19103570
Ok just took a picture with a piece of paper for proof.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103705
Thank you, mattat, I'll treasure this.

[epic matt No.]

>>19103705
if you put the time spent on that into nihongo matt youd be doing alot better

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103699
Aren't they just regular novels but with anime bullshit and amateurish writing? Why wouldn't it be actual reading if there is nothing but letters on the pages?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103699
>light novels are lighter than regular literature
Hold the presses.

[Anonymous No.]

i can read double spaced moe bitch noises at blinding speed but a proper text just fucks my shit up can anyone help

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103695
yea i'm writing and although it might make things more or less messy, you can easily butcher the stroke order while keeping things legible.

[Anonymous No.]

any word on native dyslexic readers? e.g. people that misread words not because they can't read it but because their messy brains

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103669
>>19103620
Nobody is going to buy your shitty book for $50 just fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103769
The book is free.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103769
do you literally think anyone would try to hustle in this of all threads

no one reads it and it sucks and its going to be dead soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103767
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2004/sep/23/research.highereducation2
tl;dr: if you have dyslexia in english, you probably don't have it in asian languages and vice versa, unless you're completely broken.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103724
Reading LN is I assume like reading nothing but fan fiction or 4chan posts. You won't be a very literate person and your vocabulary will be filled with words like normie

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103781
I'm reading it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103705
>>19103536
THIS is this "Matt" everyone's talking about? Good to know, I always knew him as "the guy who pretended to read 装甲悪鬼村正 on YouTube".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCFyD_Q51k
>I read "機能" as "状態" and "外し" as "躱し". Also pronounced "村" as "むね" one time.... やれやれ、俺もまだまだだぜ！ Oh yea and I did read through the part that I read ahead of time; I didn't mean to give the impression that it was the very first time I had seen the text.
And his pronunciation is shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103756
Why butcher the stroke order instead of just learning the general pattern? Once you know the pattern, you can write most kanji in the correct order without even thinking. Sure, some have strange stroke orders, but it's never so crucial that messing it up fucks up the whole kanki or anything like that.

If you ignore the general stroke order and just write the kanji however the fuck you want, your handwriting will look like crap and your writing speed will be really slow. You won't know where to even begin each time you have to write a kanji because you probably can't remember the random order you made up last time. And if you do remember, it's a massive waste of time.

It's better to remember the general stroke order for most kanji and adapt to weird stroke orders of kanji you see all the time. Memorizing your own random, nonsensical order for every single kanji is just crazy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103788
its actually pretty sick how superior chinese house drawings are to english because they convey so much information in such little space

english is the light novel to the chinese scholarly literature

english is not reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103769
what book

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103811
it doesnt matter how unqualified he is if people think hes qualified

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103811
>Oh yea and I did read through the part that I read ahead of time; I didn't mean to give the impression that it was the very first time I had seen the text.
Then what was the point? Anyone can do this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103842
Exactly my point. I don't understand how can people circlejerk over a guy who pulls up shit like that.

[Anonymous No.]

reddit tier fags think hes smart because he parrots general learning information that has nothing to do with nihongo and to the unsuspecting him comes off less cringe than more obnoxious people

but anyone who knows whats up just rolls their eyes

[Anonymous No.]

Friendly reminder that you shouldn't let people get away with calling the memorization of thousands of different weird and archaic characters that are a band aid fix for a homophone-ridden shit language "elegant".

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103874
looks like you're one of those kids who need RTK lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103864
>reddit tier fags think hes smart
It appears more than half of this thread are reddit tier fags, because there is no end to this constant Matt memeposting. Either that or I'm badly falling for some kind of an organized trolling campaign.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103896
no you right dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103699
I've read almost all novels
こころ is extremely easy, even easier than top 20% of vns
薤露行 is very hard
永日小品 - medium, easier than top vns
草枕 - extremely hard
三四郎 - easy for me
それから - medium
坊っちゃん - easy for me, but towards medium
門 - around medium
吾輩は猫である - very hard overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103902
Now I understand why you keep posting Japanese rap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103879
cool

[Anonymous No.]

I just randomly learned this word yesterday 全裸 while fapping to a bullying doujin, with no previous knowledge other than their separate meanings and individual readings. Oh, and the name of that shitty porn site.

Whatever made this word stick in my memory in such a way that I'll never forget it must be the trick to learning Japanese. I wonder if masturbation actually helps you memorize stuff. It was just one word, but I could probably have learned like 20 in a few hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103864
Go have a heart attack gramps

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103941
looks like you gonna have one first with your dad tier insults

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103954
Epic insult man, truly an epic win xD

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103851
People are too stupid to even understand that if they don't know nihongo and still understand everything or most of what matt says in his self-introduction video, then he really speaks simple language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103536
>he legally changed his name to Yamato

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103959
,,.And I don't mean to dectract from his skills, but he hasn't shown something that would actually show tham so far. I made a few suggestions (some of which I'll try to do in my videos) but apparently no one is interested in it since his fans are already satisfied.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103851
The people accusing Matt of not being fluent have got to be circlejerking newfags.

[Anonymous No.]

What's urban dictionary's equivalent for japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103998
niconico wiki

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103995
>newfags
Listen Matt, everyone's been here longer than you were.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103995
Define fluency.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104003
he said urbandictionary not knowyourmeme

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103995
matt is about as good as any of you dont let yourself be fooled into thinking otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104015
Reading and listening with the comprehension of a Japanese adult. Speaking (albeit with an accent) at the level of a 16 year old.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104028
matt fucked up multiple times in the muramasa intro which is a game that was primarily played by teenagers

we can ignore that he sounded borderline retarded because thats ok honestly

his video of him speaking nihongo was also completely rehearsed and still doesnt cover up his gaijinity much like his thinning hair no longer covers his scalp

bring in the next victim im tired of chewing on this ones bones

[Anonymous No.]

I identify as a fluent 6 year old nip

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104044
>matt fucked up multiple times in the muramasa
Teenagers fuck up all the time. You guys have no arguments. Just accept that Matt is fluent because of 24/7 input.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104053
solid epic and for the win

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104044
>his video of him speaking nihongo was also completely rehearsed
Best part is, even though he rehearsed it, he still read it wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104061
Let's see you do better. :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103983

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104061
yeah the muramasa vid was rehearsed too but i think that was established earlier so i didnt mention that

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104028
>Reading and listening with the comprehension of a Japanese adult.
Even he himself says:
>As of this writing, I have been studying Japanese for 6.5 years. Besides those 6 months in 2012, I have been in the United States the entire time. I am by no means at a native level, but I can get confused for a native speaker on the phone, and have a larger Japanese vocabulary than most natives my age.
Though I can't understand how he measured vocabulary thingy.
People for some reason tend to underestimate japs knowledge of their own language, not even realizing that "that shit I can't read even with a dictionary" is actually written for ordinary japs and not for some alien race.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104079
I know but the point is that he's more fluent than any of you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104053
I stopped screwing up my primary language when I was five.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104073
Go shill on /int/, Matt.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104089
>praising a guy because he's better than a bunch of NEETs on some shitty imageboard
dostedt

[yamatto the nihongo guy No.]

hey all yamatto here eating my natto down in the city of matto and i just wanna let you know that if you dont ajatto pronto im going to kili suteru you with my nihonto i got from hattori hanzo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104104
来いよ

[Anonymous No.]

help i was told to listen to anime to get used to the language until it stops sounding like random noise and individual words can be recognized even if i don't yet understand their meaning but i can already do this so what now?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104112
Tae Kim

[Anonymous No.]

What's a higher chance for me to live in Japan, learn Japanese and get a N1 diploma, or become an English teacher?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104118
make a lot of money in your home country and then just go retire to japan and buy a house
real estate market is pretty good still so get your hustle on and skip the lower living alt life at all costs

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104130
He can't get a visa like that though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104138
you can do anything if you have money

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104130
I don't wanna wait 40 years, my maximum is the 4 years I have to get the English teaching bachelor with

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104118
You can't live in Japan unless you get married. If you have a kid with your wife, you will be a permanent resident even if you divorce her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104144
dont go to college just so you can have a degree to apply to be an alt

[Anonymous No.]

If you're not planning on getting a degree why not just go to some shitty college, major in Japanese, and earn a degree having already learned Japanese via self-study?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104118
Do you want to die? Anti-smoking laws in Japan are shit. Enjoy going to a restaurant and getting lung cancer because some asshole old guy is smoking inside the fucking building.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104156
I'm from a non-English speaking country

>>19104159
I live off the school funds my country gives me, and for a course like that I cannot apply for school funds

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104159
So I can stick that degree up my pooper while paying debt?

[Anonymous No.]

What's the story with this dog that keeps appearing on the 24/7 news stream.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104161
this isnt exactly true even some places with smoking sections are cool about it with smoke suckers to avoid clouding the place up

that said yeah people smoke fuckin everywhere and its disgusting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCN8To23wII

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104173
No JET for your country? A lot of the other ALT programs require 10 years of school in English so just getting a degree wouldn't be enough, though there are some companies that don't have this requirement.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104204
My country the Netherlands does have a JET, but I read that my highest chance of living in Japan is being an English teacher as that'll be proof that you've had sufficient English experience

I have no clue where I'd apply though

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104213
teach english in a better country and just go on vacations to japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104213
Unironically ask on the JET subreddit, you'll probably get a decent answer there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104222
Is there a better country than Japan

>>19104224
Thanks, I'll try that

[Anonymous No.]

Who cares about you living in Japan?
Why don't you ask someone else about it? This is the Japanese learning thread.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104232
> This is the Japanese learning thread.
It really isn't. Shut the fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104236
I see, sorry about that. I'll just see myself out then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104232
I don't know where else I could ask whether learning Japanese on its own would net me a better chance of living in Japan than becoming an English teacher than this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104230
theres plenty of better places livingwise in east asia where you could teach english than japan in my opinion

unless you have as serious reason to be in japan i really dont recommend being an alt there

your honeymoon phase will end quickly if youre going in completely isolated

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104244
These kinds of questions are actually for /trv/, but there are tons of larpers there. The people who can answer you have gotten sick a long time ago of people who want to know how to become English teachers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104250
>>>/trv/1402045
Try this. It's kinda dead but you'll get an answer eventually. Maybe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104259
Oh thank you, I didn't know this kind of thread existed

[Anonymous No.]

minna genki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104306
hai domo

[Anonymous No.]

This is the third time I restart that 6k anki deck, anything I can do to practice in the meantime while I get back to my 500 matured?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104317
read

[Anonymous No.]

>今日は
>きょうは

>今
>こん
>日
>にち

>今日は
>こんにちは

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104328
What should I read today

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104339
compelling content

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104335
>the first japanese word most normies learn ain't even japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104345
Time to read some Jojo

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104339
>>19100296

[Anonymous No.]

How many weeks of painstakingly hovering over every character in a simple manga does it take to start picking up the pace and feel like you're actually reading something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104439
look up definition of insanity for epic satori

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102425
The "number" kanji show up in a bunch of other kanji. It's easier to build a mnemonic with concrete things like "baseball team" rather than some random number

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102425
You don't remember it as baseball team you rembember it as 9. Then whenever you see it in another kaji you remember it as a baseball team because there are 9 required people on a baseball team. You can then use the baseball team to create a story to remember the kanji.

So then when you see next to the kanji you know as car you go "car....nine-no baseball team" Ah i got it its the story a car gets a flat tire on its way to a baseball game leaving a baseball team in rut. Then when I need to write the word rut i'll always remember its just the kanfi for car and 9. Its much easier to write it this way as well. This is a far far better method then just brute memorization of all the stroke orders.

The point is to learn KANJI not learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104335
So people in the olden days said "about today..." to greet their neighbors?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104335
七人の侍

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102425
>When I learned Latin alphabet as a kid I didn't pretend H looks like a ladder or A looks like a spaceship from Asteroids,
I'm almost 100% positive you did. We had alphabet songs and pretty much every kindergarten teacher has a giant thing alphabet on her wall in which they do things like

A is for Alligator
B is for Ball
with a nice image to go along with it.

You might not associate A with alligator anymore but someone who speaks fluent Japanese probably won't even remember 9= baseball team, however they will still instantly recognize it and know how to write it from memory. The alphabet is 30 letters though, much different than a 2000+ alphabet

Unless you are a 500IQ high functioning autistic, you will not be able to draw something you've seen from memory alone and get it right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104530
Do people actually remember those stupid stories? I just see the kanji and immediately remember that the mnemonic had something to do with whatever it is. Anyone who needs to remember the story at all is a double digit IQ 黒人.

[Anonymous No.]

Is 好 meant to represent how a mother likes her kids? Or does it represent a female child, something that japs seem to really like?

[Anonymous No.]

oh my god gas this place leave no survivors

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104573
The point is after the initial memorization you've had with stories you won't need the stories anymore.
Its like how you used to have to think about 7*3 as 7+7+7 in 2nd grade but now hopefully you instantly know it as 21.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104607
Why does it matter anon?

[Anonymous No.]

anons should I learn all vocab I see from Tae Kim lessons right from the start?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104607
What do japs have to do with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104607
Ask the chinese

[Anonymous No.]

Could someone memorize all of RTK1 in two weeks of constant study, 8+ hours per day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104907
yes go do it now

[Anonymous No.]

おこった

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104929
It would take 73 kanji per day to memorize 2200 of them in about a month so I'm going to try that even though people keep saying that if you do more than 15 or 20 per day you will quickly forget everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102231
I can't believe that guy thought he won the argument saying that 良 is food, and his proof is pointing out 食 in a dictionary. The issue isn't whether 食 is the radical in that kanji or not. The issue was that he originally said that 良 was food.

[Anonymous No.]

How can you read faster in hiragana??

[Anonymous No.]

Why would you ever isolate kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105023
It's a way for me to feel like I'm doing something even though I'm not. I don't want to stare at a bunch of symbols and attempt to piece together what they mean over the span of 8 hours (read).

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105037
How long you've been learning?
>span of 8 hours (read).
If you really do it like that the results will come flying very fast.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105043
>very fast
How many weeks are we talking?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105051
>weeks
We're talking days.

[Anonymous No.]

Heisigfags, report in!

How long have you been studying?
How many kanji have you learned?
How much time do you spend each day and how many kanji do you lean?
What do you use for review?
What do you plan to do after you're done?

I started a month ago and learned my 850th kanji today. Usually I spend 2 hours a day and try to tackle 30 kanji which I usually manage to do. Review takes roughly 30 minutes. After playing around with Mnemosyne and Anki I found out about http://kanji.koohii.com and use that for reviewing now. It's really nice and has this stack system, so I can decide myself what kanji to review instead of the program telling me what it thinks is best. It also has a ton of stories for all kanji covered in RTK including the third book, which helps since I'm somewhat lazy and not especially creative.
After I'm done I'll start the infamous "sentence method" as proclaimed on AJATT, but I'm not going to follow it to the letter. I'll get one or two grammar books first to get more of a feel for Japanese, although I won't memorize them in and out, since I think that will come naturally as I progress further in my studies, but a few sentences with limited vocab focusing on grammar won't hurt.
Then I'll just pick up whatever I want to learn and put it into my SRS. And probably read a lot of manga with furigana to boost my kanji readings ability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104806
Not if it gets in the way of learning grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104907
From Heisig himself, in the introduction of the book:
>20 or 25 characters per
day would not be excessive for someone who has only a couple of hours to
give to study. If one were to study them full-time, there is no reason why the
entire course could not be completed successfully in four to six weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105104
>How much time do you spend each day
2 hours + 1 hour for RTK and I'm basically keeping up with non-rtk fags' speed.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105108
oops, fucked up the formatting. I blame Adobe

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105104
I wander if people likes this will learn Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

So 京都 is きょうと, that famous Japanese city I so love to visit. I don't have to think it's the "East Metropolis," based on Heisig's keywords, because I've seen it so often, I just know it's Kyoto. But if I was just learning it, it makes a nice crutch. Same goes for 沖縄 or おきなわ, the place in the "Open Sea" where you can find a chain of beautiful islands that looks like a "straw rope" from above. It's a crutch you CAN use (you don't HAVE to) until you internalize it as simply おきなわ.

I find it's especially handy for place names.

I can also keep 待つ　and 持つ straight now.

I think of RTK as lubrication for my Japanese skills. It won't make or break you, but it will make things a LOT easier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>How exactly does RtK help you with this? The kanji already have meaning; that's the point. If you are trying to learn a compound without understanding the logographs in it, then you are just stupid.
Simple: After finnishing RTK I already knew both characters. I also knew they mean "possess" and "name". "Possessing a name" comes close enough to "famous" right? It just snaps together like lego. (Like photo: copy and reality)
Learning the reading becomes a breeze since I don't also have to remember the characters themselves. I just know: "possessing a name" is "famous" and that in turn is "yumei". The first two steps become subconscious fairly quickly and I'm left with actually useful knowledge.
This is much faster than doing it all at once, even though it might look like there are more steps involved.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105104
This is the 2nd day.
30 + maybe a few more by accident because I'm trying to make an anki deck and I just want to throw all the RTK kanji in there now instead of adding them as I go. I'm triggering myself because I'm not keeping a consistent format between cards. Sometimes I italicize words representing the radicals/primitives in the kanji, sometimes not. Sometimes I bold the keyword used in the mnemonic sentence, sometimes not.
Spent about an hour and a half each day learning 15. Not sure if that's the right amount yet. I'll adjust it depending on my retention.
Anki
Kill myself because reading is going to be a giant pain in my ass.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105104
roughly a month and a half
500ish
a couple hours every 2-3 days
I usually write down the kanji i'm learning on scratch paper then review it by writing it down on my list. I have this list numbered and I merely write down the corresponding id with its number on another list. This is how I review them. I review every kanji in groupings of 200. I review those 200 kanji every study session until I get non wrong. I then study once every two study sessions for a while and will continue to study them less frequently as I go on.

I'm currently using the core 2k/6k anki deck to learn real vocab as I go. I'm also very very very slowly going through tae kim. I should probably be less lazy with that. Hopefully by the time i'm finished with RTK I will have a firm enough grasp on the language to start reading. I plan to eventually read books out loud in sync with the audio books to really get it down.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else having better time reading going deeper into the night?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105114
>>19105121
>>19105168
>>19105185
>replying to a 10 year old post
>>/jp/thread/S91912

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105208
Why not? This garbage thread isn't going anywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105208
Strange to think that person is probably dead today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104360
Jojo isn't reading because Jojo is manga and manga isn't reading. Unless you're talking about the novels.
>>19104439
Never because manga isn't reading.

[Anonymous No.]

yea for me the mnemonics work better as you described as well. What I don't understand is how people do all this so fast, I have 120 reviews a day on average, and it takes me 2 hours and a half to do only that, while you take 2,5 hours to review your cards AND add more than 15, and you also have more reviews than me. Maybe I take more time to remember each kanji, it's not rare for me to take more than one minute to remember a single kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105250
I don't understand why you think this is funny. The spirit of what you're saying is true in that novels are much more dense but what's the point in spamming something so irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105262
It's not funny I don't know why you think it's a joke. Other people might be joking around when they say it but I'm not, I'm just telling it how it is to people who don't know any better. Density has nothing to do with it either.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone explain why this retard thinks he's being funny?

[Anonymous No.]

There ain't a single (1) funny person in this thread.

[Anonymous No.]

idk remembering that sakubi ruined the thread for a good several months was pretty funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105276
Just let him shitpost away here and go to the int thread

[Anonymous No.]

it's literally someone from the int thread trying to make this thread inhospitable so no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105319
it's a lot more than that lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105329
Is it the association of Japanese textbook writers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19102183
>>19102186
I'm reading something more difficult than I'm used to so I got overly paranoid

>>19102206
ありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>永

[Anonymous No.]

Combining strength training + reading gives you the best results.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105366
I prefer RTK + parkour myself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105274
Your obsession with something so unimportant is inspiring.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105250
Allow me to interject for a moment. What you guys are referring to as reading manga, is in fact, reading the text in manga, or as I've recently taken to calling it, manga plus reading. Reading manga is not reading itself, but rather another action that causes full functioning reading to happen, made useful by the printed words, optional furigana, and vital visual components comprising comprehensible input as defined by Stephen Krashen.

Many Japanese learners realize modified version of the reading method every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of reading which is widely used today is often called "reading manga", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically reading, according to the consumption of text.

There really is manga, and these people are consuming it, but it is just a part of the method they use. Manga is the medium: the text in the material that causes language acquisition within the reader's mind. The text is an essential part of a reading experience, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete comprehensible context. Manga is normally used in combination with the reading method: the whole package is basically reading with manga added, or reading/manga. All the so-called "manga" methods are really methods of reading/manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105371
how about forced production + yoga

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105409
desu I shouldn't even include reading as it's up to you what you do to learn.
Just saying that physical training cleanses your mind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103851
He knows japanese you dont

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105063
I call bullshit. I'll prove it in a couple months when I finish RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

masturbating is also physical training :)

[Anonymous No.]

Learning Japanese for porn is the most pathetic thing I've ever fucking heard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19103180
Maybe 4chan does have on average a higher IQ than the norm and maybe higher IQ just correlates with social problems.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105448
If you can't listen to chuuni rock operas and understand every single word literally and then transcribe it by hand then you don't know Japanese.

He can't.

[Anonymous No.]

Daily reminder
>rtk is a waste of time
>manga is reading
>posting about e-celebs should be an instant 30 day ban
>shitposting in japanese is still shitposting
>production

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105618
One small complaint. The last line should be
>>production
but this post is good othewrise.

[Anonymous No.]

女生の体臭を思いっきり吸い込みたいなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

きもい

[Anonymous No.]

あぁぁ？　何がキモいの？　あるべきことだろう

[Anonymous No.]

In Tae Kim's Complete Guide To Japanese i am at the past state of being chapter (adjectives and nouns, which is part of verb tenses for whatever reason) and it lists 行きたかった as a past I adjective but I only know 行く as verb. Am I fucking retarded or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105697
Don't use the complete guide, use the grammar guide

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105104
8 months. 1817 kanji. 30 min, 6 kanji per day. Anki.
I go slow because I have other thing to do.

I am learning the kanji in the Heisig order, but no his stories, nor the random english word he choose for each one. For some kanji I pick two english word that I think that better capture the meaning of the vocabulary that use that kanji.

I am learning the kanji while I do the core deck and I read some manga or NHK easy news when I have time. You should do the same, don't wait til you learn all the kanji before learning vocabulary, grammar or reading real Japanese. That is too boring...

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105700
Well, he himself recommends to first do the complete guide and THEN do the grammar guide so idk.

How's that gonna solve my problem? Is the grammar guide written that differently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105731
the complete guide is incomplete and bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105700
Which is the complete guide and the grammar guide anyway? The file I have has 352 pages/6 chapters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105734
Then why does the fucker tell me to do it first. Argh! Spent like 50h on this already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105749
>>19105750
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105749
Stop making me look bad by asking questions as if you were the same person as me, nerd. Also, why would you dl it instead of reading it on the website with proper navigation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105750
>Argh!
Welcome to 4chan my friend, how are you enjoying your first day?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105697
行きたい is an i-adjective

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CNceY8N7W8
How can one man be so based?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105760
I wish it was my first day as I have spent more hours shit posting on 4chan than anything else in my life and I'll never get those hours back. I'm merely phone posting now and those 4 letters were a quick way if voicing my frustration, nerd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105759
>Also, why would you dl it instead of reading it on the website with proper navigation?
Man, I don't have to make a fool out of you, you're giving yourself the favor of doing that already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105769
Then why is it conjugated like a past negative verb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105759
>>19105777
>,nerd
Well I hope you enjoy your stay my LARPing friend. Remember, pretending you've been here a long time is even more pathetic than actually having been here. Have fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105778
Why? Navigating a PDF of the book is dumb

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105789
Pretending to be some kind of gate keeping oldfag is the pinnacle of pathetic though. This isn't 2010 /b/, retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105786
Assuming it is an i-adjective, how do you think it would be conjugated instead?

[Anonymous No.]

why you guys still bitchin at each other

fuckin shut up

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105802
>referencing /b/ while also mentioning a year
I am not gate keeping anything. In fact, I am hopeful your interactions with our community will be enjoyable and fun.
>>19105807
Same reason why you do what you do, it's fun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105791
You're mom's dumb, kid. Learn basic information manipulation before criticizing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105786
Watch Japanese Ammo's videos on grammar, the て form, adjective and verb conjugation and take notes. You shouldn't have any doubts after that. It's better to have it thoroughly explained by a native than reading a grammar book directly without knowing anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105811
┐(￣～￣)┌

>>19105814
i fucked youre mom

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105786
because that's how i-adjectives are conjugated as well

[Anonymous No.]

>破瓜
>age 16 (girl)
>age 64 (man)

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105823
>Watch Japanese Ammo's videos

I would've liked to, but for some fucking reason she puts music in the background of all her fucking videos so I literally can't focus. Why do people do this?

[Anonymous No.]

女生の処女マンコを破瓜したいなぁ

[Anonymous No.]

How do I reset my progress in a deck without deleting and reinstalling it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105962
Delete it and import it again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105966
So it has to be deleted? Fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105970
you can do it with the card browser but it's really specific

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104607
Originally only men could read kanji, so it represents a man's love for his wife and his kids.

[Anonymous No.]

Just starting to get into reading, is it okay if I have to look up nearly every line in jisho? Will it get easier eventually through reading alone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106022
Yeah just keep reading my dude.

[Anonymous No.]

this is the only way youre going to become number one

in anything

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kw8R2AUuz5w#t=1300

[Anonymous No.]

Thoughts?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106083
you have spent approximately 100% too much time on this kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106085
Is this OK?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106093
welfare is actually good for capitalism

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106093
You're supposed to put the kanji in front anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106098
Heisig told me I shouldn't do it that way.

[Anonymous No.]

heisig more like geisig

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106100
heisig is wrong it literally doesn't matter what you do

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106117
Matt told me to do it this way too. So I can remember how to write without having to see the Kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106123
writing individual kanji in isolation is a useless skill
yes it's useful to understand the general principles of kanji writing but you don't need to do rtk to learn that
but what you really want to be able to write is names in isolation and passages of text, neither of which are skills you're building by doing rtk the "right wya"

[Anonymous No.]

just learn nihongo and dont worry about the nerd shit

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone used "Tanoshiku Yomou Read Japanese"?

Also have a good night everyone!

[Anonymous No.]

todays nihongo word of the day is 赤目

check back いつの日か for the next nihongo word of the day

[Anonymous No.]

なかなかゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

Daily reminder that Heiseg was not fluent in Japanese, He is like the original NukeMarine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19100215
They say it's easy yet when they write they always use the wrong particles and butcher the grammar, especially conditionals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106522
conditionals are the easiest part of japanese grammar to get right in production lol
they're so common that just by doing reading and listening for a couple weeks you can't not understand which situations they're used in

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106528
That's why it hurts my eyes whenever I see chinks attempt using conditionals. They treat Japanese as if it was English by just throwing in もし to any sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

まあ仕方ないだろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106096
only if it's given to the investment banks with trillions in derivatives

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105618
>posting about e-celebs should be an instant 30 day ban
please based mods make it happen

[Anonymous No.]

>>19104547
They said "As for today (unlike other moments in time which anybody could be possibly thinking about), ...".

Please learn WA vs GA

[Anonymous No.]

How do I learn Japanese? I started in March and think I've hit my limit. I'm only doing 5 new cards per day, I can't remember fucking any words at all, and my eyes just glaze over and I keep hitting Again without really processing anything. I really want to learn this language but I just don't think I can do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106634
screenshot the card html template editor showing your card format

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106639
It's literally the default for core6k

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106651
there are many versions of core 2k/6k that people distribute and some of them are bad, including one of the versions linked somewhere in the op

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106654
I literally don't even know where the edit card option is. I'm using whatever is in the CoR

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106634
Read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106634
read

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106662
>>19106663
How? I only know ~1000 words and don't know any grammar. It's easy to tell people to read but I honestly have no idea how to even begin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106660
tools -> manage note types -> cards

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106668
Here

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106667
Fire up Tae Kim, read the basic grammar part, start reading, use the rest as a reference. 1000 is plenty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106667
>~1000 words
That's enough to start reading.

When you read you don't need to have, nor should you expect to have, anywhere near close to 100% comprehension until you have nativelike fluency, which you only get after reading/listening a lot every day for 5+ years.

If you can look at this page and think "this guy is sleeping in a bed and there's something spooky going on", and you can pronounce all of the hiragana or katakana in it, then you're ready to start reading.

>>19106678
Select the Core 6k note type before pressing "cards".

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106684
You should've spoilered the answer, now he won't be able to try it himself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106684
Here

>>19106682
What do you recommend someone at my level to start reading with? Just grab some random manga from mokuroku?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106695
It's okay, anyone with a functioning brain could figure it out by looking at the images and the font.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106697
よつばと！ if you want to get pumped up and feel confident about yourself. Trust me, it works. After you get to the level of wanting to do some more serious reading you could try going for an easy moege.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19105962
Yes you can, its very easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106697
The easiest thing you have any interest in. Shounen and shoujo manga have full furigana and pictures that provide a lot of context, both of which help a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

おなかすいた

[Anonymous No.]

Does my 心 look like a smiling retard because I wrote it with a pencil, or do I just suck at writing ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106723
Learn English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106744
Learn Google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106727
Are Flying Witch or Hidamari Sketch good to start with?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106740
why did u put a 月 2 長's an 馬 and a 言 inside it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106751
>Flying Witch
yes
>Hidamari Sketch
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106751
Flying Witch is certainly fine. Don't know if Hidamari has furigana as I think it's Kirara.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106752
Out of boredom.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106762
>>19106757
Ok I'll start with Flying Witch. How many pages should I be reading per day? Should I be adding literally every word I don't know to a mining deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106768
>How many pages should I be reading per day?
as many as you can
>Should I be adding literally every word I don't know to a mining deck?
this is actually an incredibly terrible idea please don't do it

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106768
Enough pages to calm your fucking autism. Read what you can.

[Anonymous No.]

if you eat an authentic nihonjims poop will you learn nihongo and if so how much poop should i eat

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106769
So when do I add words to a mining deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106855
Mining is for rounding out your vocabulary, not learning basic words. You should mine something when you notice that you keep seeing it but have a hard time remembering how it's pronounced or used. If you mine literally everything, you're going to mine tons of extremely common words that are very easy to learn outside of Anki, and lots of one-off jargon that you're not going to see again for another month at the rate you're currently reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106768
Read as many pages as how fast you want to learn Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Does 美しい apply to living creatures?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106919
it's just an adjective dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106919
yes, except your momma

[Anonymous No.]

So I'm reading キノの旅 and so far it's actually not going too badly, I'm starting to see why the reading meme isn't really a meme, as a lot of grammar and vocabulary usage makes far more sense given a bit of context without the aid of pictures.

However, I'm confused by one thing - the book contains furigana for selected words, but am I truly meant to believe that a native Japanese person in the age range to read this novel would require furigana for things like 彼, 幽霊 and 紹介? It's largely inconsistent as there are often "harder" words (in my opinion) without the furigana.

Any explanations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106951
In the case of 彼 sometimes you see it because 彼の is a literary kanji form of a different word (in 彼の's case, it can be あの). As for 幽霊 and 紹介 they contain non-kyouiku so it makes sense that their readings might be specified in something meant to be read by middleschoolers, whoc might have not quite gotten to those kanji in the education system yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>As the hosting costs continue to grow, we may need to introduce a "freemium" model in the future, where basic accounts are free, and people can pay for accounts that support larger decks or extra features.

?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106969
What do you not understand?
They're going to introduce a storage limit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106769
>this is actually an incredibly terrible idea please don't do it
Ignore this anon, he has no idea what he is talking about. Mine as many words as you want, the more unknown words the better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106951
むずかしくはないよ

かんたんじゃないだけ

[Anonymous No.]

>>19106862
>Mining is for rounding out your vocabulary
Meaningless drivel, shut the fuck up idiot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19107043
It's bad enough with one roleplaying idiot.
We don't need a fake on top of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19107039
have fun not learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19107050
You don't know Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>19107033
They already have a storage limit... accounts with no activity in 6 months get pruned. A freemium model would be pretty shitty, why not just let me use it locally instead of syncing up to the AnkiWeb?

[Anonymous No.]

>>19107052
yes I so

[Anonymous No.]

>>19107053
> why not just let me use it locally instead of syncing up to the AnkiWeb?
Then don't. If you do most of your reps on the same device you don't need AnkiWeb.
> They already have a storage limit... accounts with no activity in 6 months get pruned.
That's not what a storage limit is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>19107044
You learn Japanese by reading. Anki is supplemental. If you're wasting time learning things from Anki that you do not currently have a use for, you're spending time doing something that doesn't help. You could be learning words you need right now, that knowing would let you read faster.

Not mining something uncommon yet does not mean you're not going to learn it, it just means that you're learning more important things that you will benefit more from learning right now.

There is no point in memorizing obscure place names or random technical jargon when you can't distinguish between 怪しい and 騒がしい yet.

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I used to mine words the first time I saw them, but I think it is a mistake. You end up with a deck filled with retarded words like 蒙古斑.

Sometimes you find cool words like 蟷螂の斧 and they deserve a card even if you've only seen them once.

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If it takes you longer than 5 minutes to learn Japanese, you're probably retarded.

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>>19107133
>You end up with a deck filled with retarded words like 蒙古斑.
So what's then? If you came across a word in a material you'd wanted to read (and therefore understand everything in it) you were expected to know these words. Of course you will never meet some words again but it's not important to center on such minute things. What harm will be in learning a bunch of "useless" words?

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>>19107201
Time spent memorizing things you don't need is either time spent not reading or time not spent memorizing things that you should be memorizing.

This isn't hard to understand.

Telling people that mining shit they're not gonna need for two years is like telling them to meditate, but without the slim chance of having psychological benefits.

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>>19107201
>What harm will be in learning a bunch of "useless" words?
Inefficiency of learning.

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>>19107201
opportunity cost
lower effectiveness
loss of focus
increased stress

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>>19107201
You'll just forget them soon enough.
Mining rare words is only fine when you have a vocabulary of over 10000. Until then it's a waste of time.

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>>19107201
If your first story is some borderline chuunige with lots of corporate espionage and social media manipulation, then you're probably going to want to mine 社風 or 就職希望 at some point. But that's exactly the situation where you're going to see those words multiple times. Because they'll be less uncommon in what you're reading.

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>>19107207
>Telling people that mining shit they're not gonna need for two years is like telling them to meditate, but without the slim chance of having psychological benefits.

No one tells this. Learners before reaching a high level of fluency have no way to tell how often a word appears in texts and if they occasionally learn something "useless" it's not gonna harm them since it's a very small percentage. That's what I'm saying.
>>19107215
>You'll just forget them soon enough.
If only there would be a program that makes sure you don't forget words, right?
>Mining rare words is only fine when you have a vocabulary of over 10000. Until then it's a waste of time.
You can't tell what words are rare and even if you could it doesn't mean that YOU aren't going to come across them often. I probably haven't seen 刹那 for months (it appears 0 times in the last books I had read) but some authors would constantly use it instead of 一瞬 and so on. And apart from author's styles there are certain genres, contexts, etc. Do you get the point? Never have I regretted in my life mining words.

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>>19107265
>No one tells this.
>>19107039
>Mine as many words as you want, the more unknown words the better.

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>>19107265
Ultimately, just study. The less time you spend shitposting here, the better you will become at Japanese.

In the time it took you to read the last 5 posts on this page, you could have drilled a whole bunch of flash cards, or read a page or two of a light novel.

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>>19105104
I'm done, mining sentences now. Only took a few months at 25 a day

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>>19107265
> 23475
Why are you still using anki?

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>>19106083
只 is not used that way

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>>19107285
Anything new I learn in japanese has a miserable impact on my overall language comprehension and if reading japanese is rather a routine for me than means to enjoying then I'm less inclined to study japanese. I don't understand why YOU don't follow your advice because you're exactly type of person who needs to study and I'm a retired veteran who just does it as a hobby sometimes.

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I know over 10k words but over half of them are obscure bullshit and I'm still missing lots of common vocabulary.

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>>19107053
That message has been there for ages, and there still aren't any limits.
You can also host your own sync server if you really hate the idea that much.
https://github.com/dsnopek/anki-sync-server

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>>19107318
It's not my problem if you don't want to get good. As for me, I'm reading right now and take breaks every few pages to write down new words and shitpost in this thread.

"I don't want to work hard!"

As AJATTers call it, a "get out of excellence free" card.

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>>19107337
the person you're responding to knows much, much more japanese than you

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>>19107303
Because there is nothing better for retention of new words. As long as you learn new words anki is useful. Even if you learn one word a day it still takes less time to add it into a deck and review it several times than look it up in a dictionary every time you meet it or write it down in a handbook and rehearse or other shit you can imagine.

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>>19107337
you don't know japanese