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This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, and Japanese video games.

Read the Guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:
Previous: >>19066659

>> No.19082387

Give up.

>> No.19082391 [DELETED] 

W-what if i am reddit?

>> No.19082404

This is the way the general dies, not with a whimper but with a smug anime girl.

>> No.19082414
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Even after reading Tae Kim, I still can't translate this text to a proper English
> 有言実行とばかりにアンジェリカの頭から顔中の至る所に口付け、トロトロに蕩けている彼女の表情を心いくまで堪能した
Am I just a brainlet to learn japanese?

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*Night* snacksって



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PLEASE /djt/, transcribe if youre up to the task:

PLEASE. just the chorus is fine. All i hear is
Muka. Suka. Hon kao masuga. And that means fucking nothing. And /int/ cause theyre all serious fag cringelords.

>> No.19082473

carrying out what I just said, I kissed angelica all over her face, her dizzy melting expression delighted my hearth.
Something like that maybe? That sentence is not too grammar heavy, it just uses some weird words. Also don't translate, Feel.

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I often get the feeling that Japanese is not very simple to directly translate into English unless you want to sound machine like or lose nuance. It usually takes more effort to convey the same message, requiring you to be good at English as well?
This feeling is just based on my limited N3 knowledge, my ESL background and discussions I've had a N1 friend in the EN-JP localization business.

>> No.19082516

I lost in に to be fair. I know the usage of に generally, but in practical usage, it's used in many places that I'm not familiar with.

Fair enough, how to cut the sentence so it can sound better in translation is hard to be fair. Most of the expression can be translated well.

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i found it, since someone said on youtube.
enjoy the japanese practice.

>> No.19082578

Looks like the canadian still can't handle otaku daily general kek

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What's wrong? Was it beta rage?

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もしかして レイジング・インセル?

>> No.19083025

Anyone got an epub for SAOAGGO?

>> No.19083072

The problem in my opinion is that you have to make a choice between actually translating the Japanese faithfully, in which case of course it won't sound natural in English, since languages aren't bijective sets, or basically rewriting the Japanese text in order to make it sound natural, in which case one could argue that you are more or less just writing fanfiction. Of course, the audience you are translating for and the type of work you are translating are also relevant factors. If you're translating a philosophical text for a university course I would say you want to be as close to the original as possible, whereas if you are translating poetry for a general audience then really the only viable course of action is to be a good poet yourself and write semi-original poetry using the Japanese as a framework.

>> No.19083112

"General usage" of prepositions and their equivalents is a meme. This "general usage" only applies to the most basic verbs, like the ones related to physical motion ("come", "go", "run", etc.).
The usage of these prepositions with more abstract verbs and set expressions almost never makes to foreigners.
Study each verb individually. That's not as painful and difficult as it seems. Unironically read more, you'll get used to them eventually.

>> No.19083129

If any random below average Japanese person can learn Japanese. Then you with an IQ of >110 can do it too.
Don't give up anons

>> No.19083135

My IQ is >140 and I still haven't learned Japanese after 4 years.

>> No.19083144

Try studying it.

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>> No.19083187

Is there in archive some novels in text form (like rtf for example) with furigana?

>> No.19083188

〜とばかりに might be a set expression.

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>> No.19083290

Civilization 5 + BNW

>> No.19083292

only dumb plebs play computer games

>> No.19083301

VNs are computer games

>> No.19083306

no they're not, they're illustrated novels. it's literally in the name. visual NOVEL.

>> No.19083348

Clicking through them is considered gameplay, therefore they're games.

>> No.19083357

I would I agree that kinetic VNs (no choices) are not games, because all you do is read at look at images.
Any other kind of VN is a game though.

>> No.19083365

>turning pages is considered gameplay, therefore books are video games

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>> No.19083553

it's called hentai, and it's art

>> No.19083554

>Study each verb individually.
Which source should I use?

Googled it, and yeah it's a set of expression. I should had realised it sooner.

>> No.19083556

Reading isn't gaming.

>> No.19083615

Are chose your own adventure books games because you get choices?

>> No.19083691

> Which source should I use?
I have no idea, I've only started studying Japanese myself.
I'm just sharing my experience of learning other languages.
As for Japanese, the difference between に and を is in many cases very obscure, at least from the perspective of a complete beginner, so it's best to not waste your time trying to understand how the two particles work and look at how they are used with particular verbs. Manga, anime and books can help you with that.

>> No.19083740

Crappy analogy.
Choosing which VN to buy is not a game either.
You have a computer program, which lets you actively participate in the story by making choices for the protagonist.
That makes it a video game.

>> No.19083741

What VN should I start with as a total beginner?
My only reading experience is yotsuba so far. I've never read any VN before, hoping I can get into them. No eroge please

>> No.19083749


VNs don't typically have furigana, so if you don't wa

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>> No.19083771

Fuck why did that get posted?
> if you don't wa
want to spend 10 minutes on every single sentence drawing kanji with the mouse in google translate, you need to have finished at least half of Core2k

>> No.19083775


you arent allowed to have nice things because you dont have nice nihongo

deal with it

>> No.19083778

>No eroge please
Just skip Japanese altogether and read OEL"VN"s.

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>> No.19083831

Thanks. I'll try はなひらっ then. I'm currently at 1700 words in core2k so hopefully I'll be ok.

Thank you too

>> No.19083842

foolish endeavor read this instead https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCMx9DGl9Y0

>> No.19083845

Grisaia phantom trigger is pretty good for learning since you can enable both Japanese and English text. That is of course if you don't just end up reading the English to be done quicker.

>> No.19083862

Got it, thanks anon.

>> No.19083865

Any recommended mobile VN for reading on the go™?

>> No.19084068
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Anyone ever pretend they didn't know Japanese when they really did?

>> No.19084077

Nobody here needs to pretend

>> No.19084091

If I really did I wouldn't be here

>> No.19084124

you do this a lot when people constantly want translations from you because you helped them once

>> No.19084194

A book.

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I'm having a hard time making sense of what she's saying here. Context is that she keeps forgeting stuff.

>> No.19084244 [DELETED] 

Go fuck yourself retard.

>> No.19084246

so what do you want us to do about it

>> No.19084253

Pls no bully, I'm still trying to learn

>> No.19084254

doesnt seem like it

>> No.19084256

I'm a total beginner and I could understand this after 5 minutes of googling

>> No.19084276

I can kind of see that it means "No matter what I do I can't seem to remember", but that doesn't fit the context at all so I'm just asking to make sure.

Well thank god we have you around

>> No.19084278

If you're still bad at Japanese, don't read manga with dialectical speech.

>> No.19084282

I've pretended I was a Russian who didn't know English. I'm tired of having to decipher broken English because someone wants to see if their high school english class was actually worth the effort.

>> No.19084295

> Well thank god we have you around
The point was, he didn't need our help.
Stop spoonfeeding people. You only make things worse for them.

>> No.19084304

No, that was me>>19084213

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> Context is that she keeps forgetting stuff.
> "No matter what I do I can't seem to remember"
> that doesn't fit the context at all

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>> No.19084335

There, I removed most of the dialect for you. Can you understand it now?

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>> No.19084371

I'm probably just stupid, but I've been having trouble making yomichan cards look correct. I've gotten pretty used to the format of the 2k/6k deck and I'd like to replicate it, but every setting I try with the 2k/6k template in yomichan seems to create a messy card thats hard to read. Do I use a custom format or is there something I'm missing?

>> No.19084373

watasi wa sappali des

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Shit, forgot image.

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And here's how it looks from anki. I know I'm probably just being an idiot about it but I don't understand how this exactly works.

>> No.19084385

please telephone the anki support hotline this is a thread for nihongo

>> No.19084394

Need some advices for my problem, so here's the thing: I'm on vacation right now and finally decided to learn Japanese (which I eluded for years?) and I'm on 3/4 of the learning tree in the app called Lingodeer, so my problem is should I finish the Genki I or just head straight to Genki II then Tobira which is the common path that mostly take of the people learning Japanese in here?

Finally if I push myself in this month and the following months, (Registered for the JLPT 4 ahead of time to pressure myself) do I have the ability to cope to get a N4 understanding in the upcoming test? I know people will call it me rash but if I don't do this I doubt I can stay motivated learning this.

As for the reason I want to learn this subject right now is because I feel my sanity dropping (not far from becoming insane lol) if I can't read "something", yes I admit the reason I'm on a vacation now is I'm kinda bored right now so decided to dwell in this subject because I can't find a field that interests me anymore which leads me playing games that becoming increasingly boring right now as time passes and finally, voila to find this major topic (I mostly finish almost of the literatures, novels, story books that so far interests me) so I was hoping to get a knacks and tricks in learning Japanese and while at it read some of their literatures that will interests me on the near future. (I'm a serious bookworm that mostly reads any novels and historical backgrounds of people that I more or less like and to fulfill my stupid dream which is becoming a capable translator while at it.)

P.S. Thank you for the time that you went through reading this. :)

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> 恥ずかしくねぇの
> ねぇ
Is it just manga Japanese, or do the japs actually talk like retards in informal situations?
It pisses me off every time I hear it in anime, it's just so dumb.

>> No.19084430

It's simple css my man.

>> No.19084433

its not them thats retarded its the guy(jin) who doesnt know nihongo having an opinion on this

best of luck in curbing your autism my ninja

>> No.19084435

I see it all the time in Nip comments on youtube and such.

>> No.19084444

>retarded gaijin criticizing natural language

>> No.19084454

*scribbling on clipboard*
ok next up is what pronouns trigger us the most

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Yeah, GETs don't like, it's probably just me being a gaijin.
I probably associate them with a certain marginalized social group members of which have a similar tendency to put unnecessary "eh" sounds where they don't belong and pronounce them slowly in a rising intonation.

>> No.19084475

*GETs don't lie

>> No.19084477

you gotta GET out

>> No.19084594

>No eroge please
Are you gay? They make VNs for these too you know.

>> No.19084638

Stop bullying me >..<
I just don't want to interrupt my language learning time by going to clean myself every 2 scenes

>> No.19084675

Unless you're actively looking for a nukige, most VNs you can come across will have pretty few sexual scenes compared to the overall reading time. And you'll read very slow at first, making these scenes even more distant to each other.

>> No.19084763

That's nukige. Generally moege has 3 h-scenes for each heroines.

>> No.19084789

i play lilith games for the story

>> No.19084812

Alright, so what are we looking at here? Is there a particular VN suggestion for a beginner besides the aforementioned titles?

>> No.19084818

What's the closest Japanese equivalent to 4chan's /a/ or the エロゲスレ? I'm looking for active discussion, like on 4chan. 5ch is kinda shit, or maybe I didn't find the right boards out of the million boards that it has.

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>> No.19084831

Honesty depends on your fetish.

>> No.19084835

i was gonna say none but then i realized there is one for you

go go nippon

>> No.19084838

Would the language be easier on both foreigners AND the Japanese themselves if furigana was mandatory?

>> No.19084843

wouldnt actually make a difference for foreigners imo and it would be annoying for the japanese

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Look for something that would be compelling for you, because in the beginning, reading will be painful regardless of the choice. See pic related and similar pictures.

>> No.19084867

>Choosing which VN to buy is not a game either.
Correct. And neither are VNs.

>> No.19084870

almost everything on that list would be completely wasted on a beginner and would require several rereads at varying points in your nihongo career to maybe some day have some grasp on them

whats even the point in starting there when you can start with perfectly digestible material right now that goes harder than most nakige


if you try to have your cake and eat it too you will have neither

>> No.19084930

>perfectly digestible material right now that goes harder than most nakige
Not compelling

>> No.19084938

Well anons. Thanks for your help and input
I think I already have too much on my plate right now. I'll try to read the 2/3 suggestions once I get some extra freetime starting next week and report back again.

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>> No.19084995

Soukou Akki Muramasa
Kajiri Kamui Kagura
Kagerou Touryuuki

>> No.19085000
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This was created by /moe/ when they were still around.

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>> No.19085025

>your diary
my diary desu?

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>> No.19085033

ps: this one has a lot of bad recommendations as far as "easy titles" are concerned, but it has a high density of games of acceptable quality, unlike other big charts

>> No.19085044

VN isn't reading

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>> No.19085095

Rail-soft VNs are reading. Others are not though though.

>> No.19085100

How is Sharnoth reading when Muramasa is not?

>> No.19085113

who the fuck cares yall cant read any of it

>> No.19085116

I find kanji easy as shit, but the grammar and all the homonyms confuses the shit out of me.

>> No.19085120

Rail, not liar. Even though it's an auxiliary company.

>> No.19085123

same shit dude

>> No.19085128

That's how I felt when I started out, then I got used to the grammar.

>> No.19085140

Yeah that opinion changes fast.

>> No.19085143

No you just texthook the VN and enjoy easy instant lookup. What's this pleb shit.

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>> No.19085157

>reading VNs
I still have not found a single VN that's fun or interesting

>> No.19085160

What have you read so far? What do you want to read?

>> No.19085165

To make something "reading" there should be minimal to zero visualization and sounds so your brain doesn't dawdle and actually envisages forms. Without mental images there is no reading and hence no learning.

>> No.19085170

Every medium has something you can enjoy, unless you despise the medium itself for some reason.

>> No.19085178

if you are consuming written text in a literate manner then it is reading

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>> No.19085184

I have. Good luck.

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Some are fine but they are always so damn bloated it becomes a chore to read.
The only VN I really enjoyed was Amagami.

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<div class="glossary">{{Vocabulary-English}}</div>

>> No.19085203

so wait visual games are no longer compelling content?

maybe djt is fuckin learning nihongo

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>> No.19085217

you don't know japanese

>> No.19085221

this is a reddit post

>> No.19085229

there's the bbspink boards for eroge but they keep redirecting me to the homepage, idk if the boards are down or if it's gaijin block or what

>> No.19085235

A few chapters of baldr sky, one route of tonakoi, all routes of satsukoi and a bunch of different game VNs like rance or kamidori

They all tend to be bloated with a lot of pointless flavor text and the stories are not really interesting. Baldr sky was literally just doing flashbacks 90% of the time and it felt like the story was going nowhere. I just want some interesting story that actually makes me want to read what happens next and not feel like I'm reading it just to practice reading or to get to the next gameplay bit

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>> No.19085249

you could read "higurashi when they cry" its very popular among western visual boys and it prolly does what you want it to

>> No.19085263

>They all tend to be bloated with a lot of pointless flavor text and the stories are not really interesting.
Because VN writers are paid for amount of lines. Read muramasa, it's one of a very few vns out there which are really stand out and I doubt anything similar will be released in the future.

>> No.19085266

Well that's another problem with VNs. If they have an anime adaption there's a high chance I've seen it which spoils the story

>> No.19085269

anime adaptations always fuck it up without exception

trust me

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>> No.19085272

Even if they fuck up the delivery or skip some of the bloat, they still spoil the story

>> No.19085293

ok read この世の果てで恋を唄う少女 yu-no on the sega saturn game player

>> No.19085327

Which eceleb played that recently? Seen a lot of people memeing it

>> No.19085350

i only said it because its one of the greats back when the medium still had life in it and it prolly does what you want it to

ill leave the eceleb shit to the more experienced name and panty droppers of djt

>> No.19085357

Could someone give me feedback on the translation of this passage? Thanks.


So like last month, I had a check-up, and they said like my cholesterol was too high or something. So then, I’m all, why not try to become a vegetarian. At first, you know, it was sorta intense, but like now, I’m kinda thinking that vegetables taste pretty good too.

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>> No.19085385

>or something
>I'm all
>you know
Fix these to make it a translation rather than fanfiction.
'intense' as a word choice is slightly off

>> No.19085430

>kinda thinking
As opposed to fully thinking?

>> No.19085437

I don't see a problem.

>> No.19085453

(You) can listen to radio on (the) net as well?
Why did he translate も to "on"?

>> No.19085476

come on my ninja


>> No.19085479

Actually since you're visualising the context and interpreting the situation in your head it's more like watching a movie than reading. Reading isn't reading anon.

>> No.19085481

Woah, dude.

>> No.19085485

you mean like how im visualizing balling up your post and throwing it into the nearest gomibako

yah i guess youre right

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>> No.19085504

you don't know japanese

>> No.19085511

you dont know japanese

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>> No.19085521

as for nippongo you dont vakaru

>> No.19085524

you know plenty of japanese <3

>> No.19085527

yeah i think yall do too

>> No.19085530

reddit isn't reading

>> No.19085531

This is really helpful

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>> No.19085602

lmao shows what /djt/ knows. That translation was done by a professor of Japanese at Berkeley who specializes in translation studies. It's unarguably perfect.

>> No.19085607

He should really get in touch with reality. Academics and natural language never mix well.

>> No.19085616

He didn't. He translated it as "as well"

>> No.19085618

Wow I bet he finished BOTH Genki books!

>> No.19085623

whoever translated this has no idea what conversational english actually sounds like

B+ for effort

>> No.19085633

but hes not a professor of english so sorry your burst your bubble sport

>> No.19085649

Thanks apparently i am just stupid.
Also where is "on" in the Japanese sentence?

>> No.19085658

The particles always modify what comes before it.

>> No.19085662

It's another "/djt/ gets butthurt when someone tricks them into revealing they are dekinais" episode.

>> No.19085664

have you read the truly remarkable djt guide posted in the op by any chance

>> No.19085668

I checked every word and it doesn't look like the Japanese sentence contains "on". I also can't find that word in a Japanese dictionary.

>> No.19085677

i really want to believe we're the victims of an materful piece of internet theater and that the conversation i'm reading didn't just unironically happen

>> No.19085678

theres a billion ways to do that thoroughly and indisputably

why go for the one thats objectively bad and wrong

>> No.19085682

Okay but for reals why should we listen to Japanese academics when they write the absolutely most dekinai textbooks? I'd rather even Matt's translation since at least he reads native material instead of studying Reddit Grammar from an ivory tower

>> No.19085688

You can stop now i am convinced that i am stupid.

>> No.19085689

>thinking you can debunk a japanese language expert with a simple google search

>> No.19085718
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What is this?

>> No.19085721

A cipher.

>> No.19085722

A japanese meme

>> No.19085728

he just wrote penis alot

>> No.19085765

Translation of kana into Chinese.

>> No.19085791

I thought kanji had multiple readings? This looks pretty simple, maybe I'll finally learn Kanji

>> No.19085797

Once you've memorised those 49 characters all you need is a couple of weeks grammar studies and you should be able to read any work of japanese fiction without a hitch-up. The only hard part about Japanese is the pitch-accent but that only matters if you're learning the language to communicate with people.

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>he doesn't know japanese

>> No.19085860

>he actually thinks he knows the japans

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you have 10秒 to 証明する that youre 日本語ペラペラ

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>> No.19085904

How long till you stopped looking into dictionary on 75% of the lines?

>> No.19085906

I've heard terms like this one used frequently by Japanese people. How many of these onomatopeia-sounding common words are there? And how the fuck am I supposed to learn them? They feel so random and are usually written in katakana. What the hell?

>> No.19085911

300-400 novels read.

>> No.19085918

Isn't this the equivalent of saying "african-american guy" instead of "black guy"? Does it have that annoying politically correct feeling in Japanese?

>> No.19085923

>politically correct
Is there even such thing in Japan?

>> No.19085931

dont group them as their own thing and use a dictionary and the internet when you need to learn something and dont sweat it

not really mostly because you know its that whole thing about not what you say but how you say it

>> No.19085944

Am I supposed to write 子供 or 子ども? I've seen it written both ways. I've heard that the first one has negative connotations because the second kanji implies that kids are "mouths to feed" or some shit.

Is 子ども the equivalent of saying "the N-word" or "the F-word"? Does it have that annoying politically correct feeling in Japanese?

>> No.19085957

>Is there even such thing in Japan?
They are insanely politically correct.

>> No.19085960

How would you say
>I got mouths to feed, unnecessary beef is more cows to breed
In Japanese but in poetic way?

>> No.19085962

I mean, am I supposed to eventually understand Japanese onomatopoeias in order to understand those words? The way they write sounds in general feels incredibly random and nonsensical. And they seem to have sounds for silent things like smiling.

>> No.19085964

子ども is a hot potato because it can be read as "kid, thanks!" which due to the heavily context-based language could be interpreted as pedophilia. You're a foreigner though so you'll get away with it even if you happen to like kids.

>> No.19085974

Don't worry they stick just like everything else. Actually I think they sticker easier because some of them are just fun to repeat and you spend so much time wondering why they chose that particular sound that it gets imprinted easily.

>> No.19085984

>live in Japan for 10 years
>still use the 外人 card as the get out of jail free card

>> No.19085985

just pretend they are like any other words because often youll find one of these to be the most fundamental way to say something

sound effect type stuff like what you see in manga is basically impossible to go in and figure out for a baby prolly but rather youll understand how to make sounds in japanese some day if you keep in the mix

just dont sweat it and take it as it comes dude

>> No.19085991

Anyone here sold their soul to the devil to be able to speak Japanese?

>> No.19085999

as long as you look the part you are exempt from everything forever and are among the only truly free people in the country

>> No.19086004

It only seems random at first, eventually you will get a feel for the kinds of things certain types of sounds signify. Just keep looking them up like any other word. You could also read the section in DOJG if you want.

>> No.19086039

Is "drilling" a relatively easy VN a good way to improve my vocabulary, practice grammar and learn new kanji?

I perfected my mediocre English by reading Umineko and /jp/ shitposts for half a year. I always had google open in a different tab, so I would quickly look up any word I didn't understand and any weird sentence that didn't fit what I knew about English grammar. Anything I looked up was instantly stored in my long term memory and I memorized it without even trying. When I wanted to write something and didn't know if I was making a mistake, I would search the sentence in google using quotation marks (changing the nouns into more general things) to see if it was a common sentence that people actually used. If I barely got any results, I assumed I had made a grammar mistake.

Does this approach work with Japanese?

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>> No.19086077

Novels aren't reading

>> No.19086086

Does the 3-minute insta-ramen Japanese people eat contain palm oil like the fake ramen they sell in the west? I refuse to eat unhealthy crap, but I can barely read the ingredients in Japanese.

>> No.19086093

Read the spice packages carefully, sometimes they include gaijin pesticides to cull the herd

>> No.19086094

Unfortunately you're going to have a real hard time finding any decent beginner VNs that don't have porn. Once you get better there are more good non-porn VNs, I've been enjoying 魔法使いの夜 recently.

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How long do you guys think it takes to get to a rough intermediate level of proficiency? Right now I'm still basic, though I have hiragana and katakana down pat. I'm thinking of applying for a program that requires intermediate Japanese, but I'd only have to demonstrate it around September or so.

>> No.19086170

Can you cum to an erotic novel without pictures written entirely in japanese?

>> No.19086177

As someone who has been going about it for 4 months, I'm gonna say it takes atleast a year.
Although I'm very busy and barely have any time to read. You might make it if you are a NEET and read >3 hours a day

>> No.19086180

If this is college-level "intermediate Japanese," then you could get to an intermediate level EASILY in four months.

>> No.19086181

Quick I need 3 words to add to my mining deck before getting to read this morning!

>> No.19086192

I'm not at NEET but since I just graduated my free time has skyrocketed. I could manage three or more a day.

Alright. That's what I remembered hearing anons say before but it's glad to verify. Thanks

>> No.19086207

69 years

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>> No.19086244

It would be easier for foreigners but so what? Just learn the kanji faggot.

>> No.19086245

Why couldn't they just create a few more shapes for the katakana instead of having two pairs look exactly the same? I can recognize them, but it always takes me a second or two.

"Shi" is a smiley face, while "tsu" it's an annoyed face saying "tsk". "N" is a smiling cyclope having his dick stroked and moaning, while "so" is a sarcastic angry bastard saying "So? What do I care about that?"

>> No.19086259

I'd do ANYTHING to know Japanese (except study and reading)

>> No.19086260

Because they don't

>> No.19086261

I have HUGE problems differentiating the big hiragana TSU from the small one in manga. The small one always looks way too big and I end up mistaking it for the other one. Can't they just make it really small to avoid confusion? It's barely shorter than the rest of the kana.

>> No.19086263

Top notch mnemonics anon

>> No.19086268

>I can recognize them, but it always takes me a second or two.

Read more then. For me they are has hard as b and p

>> No.19086274

First time I see so many replies to a reddit post.

>> No.19086280

Thanks anons very useful words.

>> No.19086292

This is a reddit post

>> No.19086395

It absolutely is.
t. I watch tv

>> No.19086428

I'm using this to get around it seems pretty good http://n2ch.net/

>> No.19086440

Shouldn't it be してから? what's up with the non adversative ても conjugation I'm seeing all over the place?

>> No.19086457

I think you're very confused.

>> No.19086483
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Going thru Tae Kim's Compound sentences. I understand everything except:
>6 Expressing multiple reasons using 「し」
>7 Expressing multiple actions or states using 「~たりする」

1) Can I use 「し」not only for state-of-being but also for regular verbs?
2) Can't 「~たりする」be used in the very context 「し」would work for? Both are vague listings of state-of-being/verbs. Is the only difference between them that 「し」is explicitly for reasons?

>> No.19086505

Read more and stop wasting time dicking around with textbooks.

>> No.19086517

I want to understand it on the very basic level and move on. I will read the grammar book once and then immediately start reading native media. I will get back to grammar books in relation to native media that I'll read, but for now I want to make sure I do understand what the grammar is for.

>> No.19086522

kyous nihongo kotoba of the nichi is ちんぷんかんぷん

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Is there a Japanese word for "coming of age", as in the genre?
I'm trying to find new books to read.

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nevermind i checked the other grammar guide of Kim with more thorough explanations and understood it that way

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That's just the ceremony, isn't it?

What the fuck. It gave me what I was looking for though, thanks.

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I'm so autistic I made a leveling system in excel. Level xp goes up exponentially, level 50 is 10000 hours, so the goal would be level 50 of both (100 overall).

>> No.19086645

First language acquisition is different from second language acquisition. Moreover motivation matters a lot so having enough intelligence isn't sufficient.

>> No.19086671

Upload your spreadsheet.

>> No.19086686

when you still dont know nihongo at 最大 level what are you gonna do

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>> No.19086733

reading is hard, Japanese is hard

>> No.19086740

Japanese isn't reading

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Reading isn't reading.

>> No.19086787

give it a rest fuckboys

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>> No.19086797

just watch the anime instead

>> No.19086815

私の苦難を放す!私の生命を退治る, どうぞ!

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>given it my all for 3 years
>read dozens of books
>hundreds of mangas
>thousands of hours of anime
>still don't know Japanese
>tfw can't kill yourself because you're Catholic

>> No.19086826

Honestly, i AM just lazy desu. I don't put any effort into learning. It's linda pathetic.

>> No.19086828

why dont you know nihongo

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>> No.19086865

What a faggot.

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I was taking a look to the llink resources and i ran into this rikaichamp for android my question is does this works? how do i install it the link just drop me on github but i see no .apk there

>> No.19086953

Yeah, it works on PC.

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yes, but i meant on my phone

>> No.19086986

it almost certainly doesn't work anymore after webextensions happened, but someone made a new one that does

>> No.19086992

is it on google store? or how do i look for it?

>> No.19086997

It's a firefox addon.

>> No.19087023

I knoww i'm using it right now but i want it to my phone. Ok what happen is that the rikaichamp for ANDROID does not work anymore due the release of the web extensions, so there is no way i could get a rikaicham APP to do on my PHONE what the webextension does on pc, is that correct?

>> No.19087034

You can use addons on the android version of firefox. Is this not what you're asking for?

>> No.19087059

Is "consume more and you will naturally pick up grammar" just a meme? Look how many foreigners still mix up a/an, two of the most common words in the entire language.

>> No.19087074

its not a meme

if a/an was the biggest of your nihongo problems youd be owning so hard right now

>> No.19087112

I picked up on a/an naturally after getting decent, since they started to intuitively sound retarded when misused. So yeah, just read more faggot.

>> No.19087121

Whenever a foreigner uses "an" to precede a y sound I immediately dismiss them as a retard and disregard anything they have to say. I expect japs to do the same to me if I get extremely simple grammatical rules wrong in their language.

>> No.19087129

you sure are a pleasant person

>> No.19087132

Are you talking about English? What is this a/an thing in Japanese? I've never heard of it.

>> No.19087133

Actually i thought i could use it as a background app and be able to use it along with others like twitter and instagram but yeah i already understand that it always has been an addon for web app

>> No.19087188

After 6 months of vocab study and listening to Benjiro's conversations on Youtube with native speakers, I've finally decided to bite the bullet and read a 小説. What am I in for if I choose Sword Art Online as my first? I've never seen the Anime but it has a cool style and the concept seems like something I'd want to read about.

>> No.19087190

Does normalizing suffix just mean もの and こと make things into nouns? Is こんなもの a way to generically say "this thing", and こんなこと a way to generically say "this situation"? I'm a brainlet and have a hard time wrapping my mind around sentences that use もの or こと.

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Is it the grammar? can't you remember vocabulary or kanj? what is it?

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How important are drugs to getting to the higher levels?

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>> No.19087252

Very important, otherwise it would be RATT and not RATTATA wouldn't it?

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ratt is the fuckin way dude


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直ぐ and 未だ are in kanji.
美味しい and 不味い are not.

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you can't learn japanese without modafinil

>> No.19087472

> ダメ is in kanji, too
Oh come on, I haven't once seen ダメ written in kanji. Maybe in literature, but in my Chinese mangos.

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that used to bother me a lot until I ran into irregular kanji usage

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anyone else ever get this error with anki

>> No.19087531

What happened to him, guys? Did he learn Japanese?

>> No.19087543

nothing to spruce up djt like some 3 day old posts

>> No.19087547

you mean ten day old posts

>> No.19087548

every post is from fuckin reddit anyway

>> No.19087558

You're from fucking reddit, go back there.

>> No.19087559

>千枝実に問いた限りでは、「宴」 は極めて危険で悪質な因習だ。

What is that だ doing after the second としても in the second sentence?
Is it just a copula thrown in there?

This is what I understood from the second sentence, the first one is easy enough:

>Even if we asume that there was such a folk tale in the past (Talking about how this feast is a really ominous celebration), and even if the stories about lynchments are also true, i'm sure the tradition must have changed into something less problematic by now, right?

>> No.19087564

i cant go back to somewhere ive never been to

>> No.19087566

Then how do you know the posts are from reddit?

>> No.19087568

because google turns up links to reddit but i dont click them

>> No.19087574

That doesn't mean that said links actually contain said posts verbatim, my man.

>> No.19087578

i guess the emboldened results that match my search verbatim are just some other posts somewhere else not from reddit

>> No.19087585

Any suggestions on how to read faster?
I have to always sound out everything to read.

>> No.19087586

Give me one example.

>> No.19087591

how much anime have you watched lifetime and how long have you been reading chinese house drawings

>> No.19087618

>Any suggestions on how to read faster?
Keep reading. As long as its somewhat interesting, you'll get faster. The brain wants to streamline repeated tasks

>> No.19087641

If read more is the answer to everything whats the point of this general?

>> No.19087657

Reading more will help. Another thing you could do is try to force yourself to read faster by limiting the time you have to read something. Like go watch some videos on niconico and try to read the comments flying by

>> No.19087664

>If read more is the answer to everything
Only you think this.

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Found this Japanese guy using 4chan to learn English:

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in no particular order

to tell each other we dont know japanese
to ask for translations
to ask really poor questions about things we have no business even trying to read
to name drop foreigners who know/dont know japanese that try to make money "teaching" japanese
to talk about flashcards
to say わたしはゲイ
to link nice raps from japan
to repost shit from reddit
to call everything reposts from reddit
to name call and tell each other to kill ourselves
to continue the neverending quest of figuring out what the fuck a 出撃 is
to ask for tech support
to post really fuckin bad nihongo
to post about how much of a god lick-g is
to ask for visual game/manga/light novella recommendations
to define what is or is not reading
to argue or pretend to argue about english
to talk about the jlpt
to ask you what this dude is saying https://streamable.com/gunpv
to ask if you mother fuckers are genki yet
to constantly bicker over day one shit
to complain generally
to remember the kanji
to ask for free stuff
to provide free stuff
to bake you like a biscuit and sop you in gravy (https://streamable.com/pe21b)

to mislead and deceive the unsuspecting and convincing them to do really weird and useless things instead of just learning nihongo

>> No.19087855

Wow I've already memorized this Kanji as "watashi" and yet I haven't read RTK.

>> No.19087860

wait till someone tells you they really meant "watakusi" or w.e

>> No.19087865

Just follow the AJATT concept.

>> No.19087880

Someone posted a different Jap learning English from 4chan the other day. Any more?

>> No.19087913

When did China and Japan (and Korea) diverge in terms of SVO/SOV, and was it Chinese that changed or Japanese?

>> No.19087927

i understand all the words he used but have not idea what the meaning is or why people are angry

>> No.19087950

は/が :^)

>> No.19088026

That would defeat the purpose of using kanji.

>> No.19088037

> Look how many foreigners still mix up a/an
I've never met a single one.

>> No.19088049

seen plenty mess up lose and loose though

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Any good Japanese history books you guys can recommend?

>> No.19088077

I sometimes do when I'm too busy writing a post to check it afterwards. On the other hands, it's natives mixing up you're/your, never ESLs.

>> No.19088095

That's a pretty odd mistake to make.
Doesn't it become instinctive after a few months of studying?

>> No.19088102

Yes, it's completely trivial (unlike the a/the). When flustered, it's easy to make odd mistakes even in one's first language.

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Apparently that means "fap material" or something along those lines. Why doesn't Jisho include this stuff?

>> No.19088246

Same with "could have" and "could of". I can't even imagine how you could start writing the latter

>> No.19088261

Why doesn't the Oxford dictionary include "shart" ?

>> No.19088267

Are you serious? The ones that get that stuff wrong all the time are the natives. Foreigners never make those mistakes.

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>> No.19088289

You don't know the purpose of kanji.

>> No.19088290

How have you never come across センズリ before?

>> No.19088292

That's what I said though

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I find new kanji compounds MUCH easier to remember when I bump into them while I'm jacking off to doujinshi.

Is this the secret to learning Japanese? Being turned on so that every single word you read feels "memorable" and therefore sticks in your long term memory? Serious question.

>> No.19088366

It's probably because you don't read anything but doujinshi. Reading is the secret to learning shit, not grinding decks.

>> No.19088374

It's the dopamine. Not kidding.

>> No.19088384

I certainly learned several different words for "pubic hair", along with their kanji, just from doing a few google searches and using an online translator back in the day. They just stuck to my mind effortlessly, I didn't even try. And I knew jack shit about Japanese at the time, literally 15 kanji and barely any grammar.

Meanwhile, I spent weeks struggling to remember correctly even the simplest words. Like "atsui" or "tsumetai" or "hidari".

>> No.19088416

Would 日 be read as にち or ひ here?

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Is it true that japs don't really "read" half the time? That they just understand the meaning of the kanjis as soon as they see them and the actual pronunciation doesn't even cross their minds?

>> No.19088461

Do you internally read english letter by letter or just recognize the shape of the words as a whole?

>> No.19088475

By the shape, but I still read the word in my mind whether I want to or not. Our letters represent sounds.

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>Our letters represent sounds

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they come up with a half-assed guess based on the on'yomi and move on

no one is anal about readings except high-school teachers and 文系 nerds

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nevermind, misunderstood the question

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>By the shape, but I still read the word in my mind whether I want to or not. Our letters represent sounds.
bai thuh sheip, buht ai stihl rid thuh wrd ihn mai maind wethr ai want tu or nat. ar letrz repruhzent wrdz.

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What point where you trying to tsutae here?

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They are different languages from the beginning. Japanese imported kanji and kanji compound from ancient China.
wasei-kango : kanji compound mainly made during the Meiji Period in Japan through the process of absorbing western culture.

>> No.19088666

I've tried to learn Japanese on amphetamine, but I just ended up masturbating for 12 hours.

>> No.19088671

So who should we genocide?
The chinks for inventing kanji? or the nips for stealing kanji?

>> No.19088678

How hard are the JLPT example questions on their official site? Just did N2 with one mistakeon my first try, does this show that I should be able to pass N2? Or are the questions there quite a bit easier?

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Even in the wildest fantasies (like "Altaic languages") Chinese and Japanese are not in the same language family.

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You can't "read manga." Manga isn't reading.

>> No.19088934

Hanzi are GOAT. Hangul are shit.

>> No.19088967

You matter how much you've studied it or how much you find it easy, kanji is objectively a shit writing system.
What makes a writing system good is efficiency of recognition, simplicity, maximal range of producible sounds vs minimal number of characters.
I'm not saying Hangul is good, but it's clear that it's better than kanji.

>> No.19088995

Who decided on those factors? How about asthetics and beauty? Kanji are obviously suited to Japanese even beyond that. No point in complaining about Kanji if you want to learn Japanese, if you don’t, stop shitposting.

>> No.19088999

doesnt matter its the coolest

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>Who decided on those factors?
Me, because my opinion is fact.

>> No.19089021

>I'm not saying Hangul is good, but it's clear that it's better than kanji.
Depends on the metric. If you're talking just pure efficiency, then sure. But in the same vein, there are plenty of languages that are much better than English in that regard.

But Hangul is ugly as fucking sin. You couldn't pay me to learn that system, and if Japanese used something similar, I'd seriously consider giving up on the language. It's among the dullest and most lifeless writing systems in the world.

It's a million times easier for me to learn a few thousand kanji.

>> No.19089028

Japanese were never be as beautiful and aesthetic as English.

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>> No.19089085

Japanese has very different aesthetics compared to European languages. But Kanji are definitely aesthetic. Japanese language would lose a lot if swapped to phonetic writing (good thing it's impossible to do it)

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>efficiency of recognition
Fluent people manage fine with kanji.
Try binary then.
>maximal range of producible sounds
Irrelevant, and also contrary to your goal of simplicity.
>minimal number of characters
Again, try binary.

>> No.19089131

You have fucking autism. Hangul is quite literally the same as western writing systems, but each character represents a syllable, so it has three letters bunched in there, kinda like ™.

>> No.19089133

>Fluent people manage fine with kanji.
Not as good, and not as efficiently as fluent people of better languages though.

>> No.19089134

Is Hangul efficient? Optimising your script for learning sounds like a pretty dumb idea, given that most people spend most of their time reading fluently rather than learning.

>> No.19089144

It's not optimizing for learning, it's optimizing for general use.
Even Japanese don't know all Kanji, and get the readings of uncommon kanji wrong.
kanji is a disaster of a writing system, not to mention all the different and inconsistent readings.

>> No.19089159

What I've seen of Japanese literacy and reading rates suggests otherwise.
No one knows all the words in English either, and native speakers make a lot of pronunciation and spelling mistakes.

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I...I kinda get the general meaning of 引きましたよね in this page, something along the lines of her being afraid saying all that will make him think badly of her, but none of the 19 meanings attached to 引く from jisho seems to fit.

How would you describe the meaning of 引く here?

>> No.19089175

How the fuck are you watching manga without furigana and asking such a stupid question at the same time?

>> No.19089184

She layed a cable, obviously.

>> No.19089203

I mean, none of those kanji are very hard, the one I have to check if true is 年齢 and 値 in 恋愛経験値.

Also probably because it doesn't seem to make sense in English translations for me, due to ESL? I don't know man I can't seem to grasp the exact translation for 引く

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>> No.19089224

how much do you value being able to write kanji by hand?

>> No.19089229

"spoils the mood", huh.

So in the pixiv comic I posted, the 引きました is an abbreviation of ドン引き instead of just 引きます by itself?

>> No.19089230

3. to draw back (e.g. one's hand); to draw in (one's chin, stomach, etc.); to pull in​
あんな本みたらフツーの女は引くもんな!Obviously a normal woman would lose interest if she saw a book like that!

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>> No.19089232

I love it, and spend a lot of time doing it. But in the end it's even more useless than learning Japanese itself.

>> No.19089235

Being an ESL should only broaden your horizons more regarding something like that.

>> No.19089238

furigana doesnt matter unless you already know the words but not their kanji, otherwise it just lets you pretend you know how to read and makes to easier to look words up
and its not like manga with furigana are much easier than those without it, it's all the same shit with some outliers

you should know that one from anime bro

>> No.19089242

Yeah, I know from experience that the english direct translations of my native language can be narrow or stifling, but I somehow wrongly assumed Japanese-English is much better since neither are my native language. The blind judging a blind artist's painting, I guess.

>> No.19089246

>you should know that one from anime bro
didn't watch anime, I much prefer watching still images or reading those R18 novels

>> No.19089248

>and makes to easier to look words up
That's the whole point.

>> No.19089252

nah it's for kids that hear words and can understand it from hearing it/being a native speaker but don't know the kanji yet/very well

>> No.19089253

The whole point is that, if it has furigana, it's aimed towards younger consumers. Being able to look up words is an advantage too.

>> No.19089257

>its not like manga with furigana are much easier than those without it
They are if you've watched 10000 hours of anime and recognise a lot of words by sound but not the kanji.
Or if you know how to speak because you grew up in Japan doing a lot more of that than writing.

>> No.19089260

What form is this?

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>> No.19089264

Yes that's the original point of furigana itself, but to someone learning Japanese as a second language, the whole point of furigana is to easily lookup words.
Having watched tons of anime and already knowing some words is of course an advantage which I've used plenty of times myself, but the main point is still to be able to lookup unknown words easily.

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>> No.19089275

Passive negative.

>> No.19089279

Passive agressive.

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> 綺麗
> 奇麗
Which one is the more popular way to write it?

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>> No.19089297

you can look that one up yourself real easy instead of takin a dump in this thread trying to get spoonfed
teach a man to fish and all that

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>> No.19089300

Google it and compare numbers of results. Though 綺麗 is 'correct' and 奇麗 is simplification, or maybe sarcastic deformation like 素敵.

>> No.19089313

> 248m VS 3m
Guess 綺 will be my first 表外字

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>> No.19089326

>not writing 悪 as 惡 everywhere
do you even 中二病

>> No.19089327

尊む (=尊ぶ) + れ + ん
れ:passive ん=む=~だろう、~でしょう
尊ばれるでしょう(someone will be honored.)


>> No.19089328

I literally can't even write kana by hand anymore.

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>> No.19089335

You're not reading the right R18 stuff, I see girls 引く all the time from pathetic self-inserts.

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I've been challenging myself by reading VN's above my level constantly, but I had a existential crisis today because I don't know if I really understand everything i'm reading, or if i'm either misinterpreting it, or just relying on rikai/yomi too much
is there any way to calm down this feeling?

>> No.19089342

what odd strokes that character has

>> No.19089351

You can never understand a different language, you can only learn to fake it with some credibility. I am an ESL, so I don't understand you. And you don't understand me. It's all a big heap of misinterpretations stacked on one another.

>> No.19089363

I wonder who could be behind that post.

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>> No.19089501

why do you love kana blocks so much

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>> No.19089551

Can anyone help me with this sentence from a song?

The trnaslation I found said:
Since who knows when, you stopped the breath that was projecting me out by gazing at me.

How accurate is it and how exactly does it turn out like that?

>> No.19089663

I googled the continuation

2nd personality of mine who is the projection of me, gazes me with holding 'his' breath

これでひとかたまり(one unit)かと思うけれど、違ってたらごめんなさい。詞だから解釈が難しい。interpreting a lyric is confusing!

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>> No.19089753

>いつからか ~ 僕は I を脱いだ
>Before I realized it, ~~ i'd thrown away 'I'
so poetic...

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>> No.19089886

Please link

>> No.19089906

It fits perfectly though. I'm still relatively new to the language, so that sentence really threw me off. And translation I found seemed more like a loose interpretation.

>> No.19090165

The best writing system is one that makes westerners' asses explode. So the answer is obvious.

>> No.19090233

Hey is ぶるぶる good in the context of "swinging dick" or would I use something else? Is that more like shivering than swinging?

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Is there a reason why Tae Kim uses the grouping on the left instead of the grouping on the right?

>> No.19090600

What's the ugliest kanji and why is it 牽?

>> No.19090602

Why do so many books teach the verbs as "RU" and "U" verbs? Doesn't that make everything extremely confusing? Isn't it better to separate them as "IRU/ERU" and "the rest"?

>> No.19090612

Is it true that the kanji for vagina 膣 is formed by the radicals for meat, hole and climax? If so, Japanese is a really perverted language.

>> No.19090635

They are actually called 一段 and 五段. "RU"/"U" sort of makes sense if you think about it as "the part of the verb that changes grammatically", I guess.

>> No.19090697

How the fuck is any average IQ person supposed to memorize this crazy shit?

>> No.19090728

you dont have to memorize charts like that

>> No.19090742

You have to memorize 3000+ kanji though

>> No.19090745

Way easier than memorizing esoteric grammar bullshit.

>> No.19090751

thatll come just as the same as the stuff in that chart

>> No.19090837

Anyone else feel like their Japanese is actually getting worse as time goes by, despite studying hours every day?

>> No.19090861

It's just the scales falling from your eyes. 自分が無知であるということ以外は何も知らない。

>> No.19090879

It's called "Dunning-Kruger effect"

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>> No.19090945

It's still unbelievably stupid. The two groups being named after "the part that changes" serves no purpose, since it's not that hard to rememember that. What's hard to remember is which verbs are which, so the "IRU/ERU" and "OTHER" categories are much more useful.

>> No.19090957

That has nothing to do with this. The Dunning-Kruger effect is when someone is so stupid that they are unable to notice their own incompetence and trying to explain to them why they are wrong is useless because they just aren't smart or enough to logically understand your explanation. This is why normies are often so confident about their beliefs and opinions despite being completely wrong most of the time.

>> No.19090961

I'm pretty sure he's implying that OP is slowly realizing that his Japanese wasn't as good as he once thought. That's the relationship to the Dunning-Kruger.

>> No.19090964

I started studying Japanese a few months or so ago, and I have finished Katakana and Hiragana. I am trying to decide on how to start learning Kanji. I have downloaded Anki and the deck called All in One Kanji, which follow's Hesig's RTK I presume. I have also started with wanikani and learned the first 26 radicals (its free up to level 3). The issue I am having is whether or not I am supposed to be learning just the english translation to the symbols or how to say it in Japanese. In the Anki deck, it has all sorts of hiragana+katakana in the description of each Kanji, and in wanikani it just tells me the meaning in english. If I am taking a wrong step or approach it would be great if you guys could help push me in the right direction.

>> No.19090980

The above post is from reddit, don't give him (you)s.

>> No.19090985

How long until I understand raw anime. I have watched 3 shows raw so far and I only understand like 50%. Is there something besides just watching I should be doing?

>> No.19090990

relax youre doing fine

>> No.19090996

nope just watch anime forever

>> No.19091005

just read and listen and then one day you'll realize you know japanese, it's like magic

>> No.19091033

>using wanikani and other shitty learning sites
What is wrong with redditors. No, really.

>> No.19091060

>What is wrong with redditors.
Redditors are completely average people, which means their mean IQ is below 100.

>> No.19091064

Learn the grammar bit by bit.

Use Anki to study vocabulary and kanji.

Use RTK as a SIDE dish, never by itself.

And read, read, read as much shit as possible.

That's all you need, really. Stop with this WaniKani bullshit, it's a waste of time. You could be learning 10 times faster.

>> No.19091071

dont worry about being faster worry about actually learning in the first place

>> No.19091119

The scary thing is that their average IQ is likely 105-110. But on the other hand that means ours is probably 115+.

>> No.19091126

>Use RTK as a SIDE dish, never by itself.
It takes like 4 months to memorize all the Kanji which isn't a long time. You guys stress out over RTK too much.

>> No.19091132

Mine sentences

>> No.19091157

Don't mine sentences

>> No.19091177

1) if "to know" is 「知っている」, then what does 「知る」mean?
2) 「分かる」simply means 'to understand' and「分かっている」means that you had the understanding of something before someone asked you? kinda like "I understand what you mean" vs "don't bother explaining, because I know perfectly well what you mean"?

>> No.19091185

paging dr tyler kim to the nursery

>> No.19091186

read Tae Kim on ~ている

>> No.19091200

I'm reading it. I do not understand what I'm reading.

>Japanese is more consistent and 「知る」 is just a regular action verb. In other words, I “knowed” (action) something and so now I know it (state).
So 「知る」isn't used non-conjugated? Action of "knew" must be in past, I don't see how it would be used in present. "I learn things so then I will have known them"?

> However, there is a difference between “knowing” and “understanding”. Try not to confuse 「知っている」 with 「分かっている」. 「分かっている」 means that you are already in a state of understanding, in other words, you already get it. If you misuse this, you may sound pompous. (“Yeah, yeah, I got it already.”)
So how do I say I understand not to sound pompous? Is 「分かる」something I'd use?

>> No.19091216


>Do you know the way? (lit: Do (you) understand the road?)
Why isn't it a verb in progressive tense as in:
is 'to understand' used instead of 'to know' because we ask about road?

>Yes, yes, I got it, I got it.
Why isn't 「分かっている」used there if Tae says that it means pretty much the same thing?

>> No.19091225

>It is reasonable to assume the actions 「行っている」 and 「来ている」 would mean, “going” and “coming” respectively. But unfortunately, this is not the case.
So is it even possible to say that? Can't 行く and 来る mean = I'm going / I'm coming?

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>> No.19091271

Why is し used there? I thought Tae Kim said it was used for multiple explanations. How is this an explanation?

>> No.19091278

no amount of posts in this thread are going to give you what you need

take the hint and get cracking on your 10000 hours of anime

>> No.19091282

I sense some sakubi samefagging incoming

>> No.19091286

>I'm gonna shitpost instead of helping him because I don't know the answer myself.

>> No.19091291

this post is the same thing just one step removed and also from reddit

>> No.19091323

切符を買ったし and ホテルの予約もしてある are both explanations for finishing 旅行の計画

>> No.19091330

I love Aozora Bunko. This shit is so convenient.

>> No.19091339

But the shitposting is entirely correct. "Understanding" comes second in learning a language, first or second. "Feeling" comes first, and it only comes with a lot of input.

>> No.19091345

So your goal is
>read "something" (?)

Why do you want to make the JLPT 4 test? First of all the JLPT tests are retarded, because you have to learn for the test and not for the language. You could say JLPT is more for people who know they are good and just need it for a job. JLPT 1 for example doesn't prove that you have mastered Japanese, it only proves that you mastered the test. In the worst case you talk like a retard with a passed JLPT 1 test.

As for "reading"... This is tricky. My advice, just read as much as you can (and study at the same time) and DON'T (this is important!) try to understand everything. Only if you don't know what is happening in your reading material, you should chose something easier and come back later. Never stop because of one word. Just read.

Now how to learn the language: The DJT and the reddit for japanese language learning are giving great advice.

What I would recommend if you want the "fastest" learning of Japanese:
>learn the Kana as fast as possible
You should never read romaji after your first week anymore. Kana are pretty easy to learn and even Lingodeer should be good enough for this.
>write as soon as possible and always follow the line order
This is important, if you don't write Kana and Kanji, you either start with it or stop with Japanese
>Use Tae Kim's grammar, Lingodeer, and Heisig's Kanji learning
This three things are mandatory to learn Japanese as fast as possible.
I tried Lingodeer and got 100 % pretty fast. So far the content is pretty basic, but it will get much bigger in a few months and will probably easily cover everything important in the near future. Best app for hearing Japanese and I would say the best Japanese learning experience I have seen so far. Also it's free.
>Tae Kim's grammar
It's free and really helped me to understand all those things I haven't learned in school and college. If you use his free app, you can just click above Japanese words and see their meaning. He covers everything important grammar related
>Heisig's Kanji learning
The is a free Anki version which is pretty much Heisig's method but with some minor changes. It covers all 2k+ Japanese Kanji you need to know to be "fluent"

My other great source are the three dictionaries of Japanese Grammar (Basic, Intermediate, and Advanced) from Seiichi Makino and Michio Tsutsui.

The good thing about my first three sources are that they are all free and you can all those apps on the go.

After you feel you understood a lot, you should try to start reading and hear Japanese (even if it's only Anime). Don't fear that you only understand a few things, if you practice and read/hear Japanese in real life, you will get better. Personally I wouldn't make a JLPT test if I don't have to. A language isn't something which should the seen as a math problem. A language evolves over time and why should you ignore the advanced Japanese words? If your goal is to just know the "basics" of a language then you should waste your time with the language at all. With a glass ceiling above your head you will never understand Japanese.

>> No.19091346

>Father came back home early.
Why not use just 帰った?

>> No.19091348

but even this dude >>19091345
tells me that Tae Kim is gold

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>> No.19091402

It adds the fact that the speaker is home when the phrase is uttered.

>> No.19091432

Oh, (I) might have forgot to lock the door!
Why did he add 鍵 and why did use の after it?

>> No.19091438

Should I grind core2k until 1k words until I start reading as the guide says or is it feasible to start reading at about 500 words? I would start with Yotsuba

>> No.19091446

Manga isn't reading so it wouldn't be possible to start with Yotsuba.

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who's having problems with what basic grammar? I tried reading the last 50 posts in the thread but they're incomprehensible

>> No.19091463

That's when I started reading porn.

>> No.19091482

you don't know japanese

>> No.19091497

When can I start reading anime?

>> No.19091506

You aren't alone

>> No.19091507

After you watch 10000 hours of manga and listen to 10000 hours of unvoiced narration.

>> No.19091518

You don't really see 知る unconjugated outside of set phrases. It's almost always 知っている and some conjugation of いる like 知っていた

>So how do I say I understand not to sound pompous?
Yes just say 分かる, or just なるほど.

>Why isn't it a verb in progressive tense
Because progressive tense implies he's/she's doing the understanding right at that instant. If you aren't on the road yet, using the progressive tense sounds weird. He's going to "understand" the route as he's/she's driving it.
If they were already driving and they seem a little lost, it would be appropriate to say, "道は分かってる?"

Their idea of understanding is different than ours, so try not to apply our idea to their idea so much.

Tae Kim explains it pretty well. The progressive form implies you already completed the action, but still are in the state of that action. In motion verbs, it's impossible to complete the motion yet still be doing the motion at the same time, so progressive forms of motion verbs are just a more literal 行って and いる. Meaning "They go and be there".

>> No.19091524

>You don't really see 知る unconjugated outside of set phrases
I'm laughing internally right now

>> No.19091539

Why people come here and ask all this stupid shit when "read more" is literally the only answer they will ever need?

>> No.19091547

Thanks for your time and help good man!

>> No.19091550

That person doesn't know Japanese

>> No.19091553

"Oh, I might have forgotten the locking of the key of the door"

>> No.19091557

Thanks you anon

>> No.19091564

neither do you

>> No.19091566

Communicating is important part of learning.
And it feels good to help each other out.
We're all connected by the same goal of defeating できない after all.

>> No.19091570

2bh I can't think of any concrete time I've ever seen it. Maybe in vague generalities like 自分を知る, which are much more self-explanatory than the usage of 知ってる. It's definitely much much more rare.

>> No.19091573

You can literally just download a random LN and see 知る used unconjugated a fuckton.

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>> No.19091610

I haven't seen it much, if at all, in the stuff I read.
Case in point: ctrl f: 知る in まほろ駅前多田便利軒, only 10 results.
Conversely 知って brings up 38 results.

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>> No.19091614

Okay, now defend "You don't really see 知る unconjugated outside of set phrases".

>> No.19091617

dont defend anything just do what you do

>> No.19091625

Is it possible to text-hook the Japanese closed-captioning on Netflix?

>> No.19091642

I also said "in vague generalities” because I forgot about them because you don't see it often.
Nearly all 10 of those results were vague generalities like 相手を知る.
So out of nearly 50 uses of the word 知る, only 1 or 2 is left. That's "you don't really see them" tier.

>> No.19091648

the "negative" of "to be able to" according to yomichan

>> No.19091650

Read more.

>> No.19091659

Yeah but those "1 or 2 out of 50" uses are still like 20% of the uses of the word.

>> No.19091677

lol you Anglos are so fucked with you vowels and transitioning to Japanese ones
in my Slavic language we have the very same sounds for a, i, u, e, o as the Japanese, plus a lot of difficult sounds so nothing they say is really deemed hard here

>> No.19091681

>Yeah but those "1 or 2 out of 50" uses are still like 20% of the uses of the word.
You may wanna check your math there.

>> No.19091696

Two completely different senses of "uses". You don't know English.

>> No.19091700

In the sentence "背が高い人は、すてきだね" how the fuck is 背が高い a verb clause when there's no verb? Am i fucking gay or something?

>> No.19091709

>"1 or 2 out of 50" uses
unique ways of using the word
>20% of the uses of the word
actual instances of the word in a text

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How do I delete/suspend/remove all cards from this RTK deck that are "recognition" while leaving "recall"?

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>> No.19091737

It was a reddit-tier question but you helped me anyway. Thanks man.

>> No.19091742

At least they don't have retarded Polivanov system, which makes me avoid russian resources for learning japanese like plague.

>> No.19091744

Maybe I'm too new but I've never heard a sound in Japanese that I thought was particularly difficult.

>> No.19091751

りゅ and りょ fuck me up every time

>> No.19091759

depends where you're from, but it's nice not to have to use shit like

I imagine some Anglos not being able to do the R too, and し

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>> No.19091774

Cringe. How do English speakers even learn Japanese when their language is such an inconsistent shitfest?

Spanish natives have it MUCH easier in many ways.

>> No.19091782

Because how does reading more help you understand anime?

>> No.19091788

lmao this post made me laugh out loud.
the amount of hoops americans have to jump through to arrive at correct pronunciation. What the fuck is wrong with you? There's only 5 vowel sounds in the entire language, there's no fucking reason to be doing this, just say them the way they're said.

>> No.19091790

minna genki?

>> No.19091792

Poor Amerifats. I have literally zero problems with Japanese pronunciation even though my language doesn't really have a りゃ or りょ sound.

>> No.19091794

>how does gaining language proficiency help you understanding the language?

beats me

>> No.19091796

i'm confused. where did my post go wrong?

>> No.19091798

Do you listen to music while doing anki or reading?

>> No.19091799

Angry mob of third worlders 気にしない

>> No.19091801

wow if you're being serious then you're stupid stupid

>> No.19091809

I do, I know it's low value and listening to podcasts would be better, but I cannot concentrate on Anki with spoken word, with music I have no problem

>> No.19091811

Yea because understanding the symbols helps you understand spoken...

>> No.19091815

I just feel bad for English speakers because they have more than 5 vowel sounds. A lot more in fact. It must make Japanese a lot harder to learn.

Don't give up, though.

>> No.19091817

Day 25 of learning Japanese. Forgot all the Katakana, haven't started on RTK. Tae Kim was too boring and I've forgotten what few paragraphs I read.

>> No.19091819

nowhere. it's just funny that the english language is so fucking nonsensical with its sounds that americans and english people have a hard time making sense of a language with sounds as simple as japanese.

>> No.19091820

Probably because I'm a burger. I can say it with a heavy foreign accent, but I can't do the tongue hitting the roof of the mouth thing that you're supposed to do with the R sounds in Japanese. I can do it for ら, り, る, れ, and ろ but I can't do it for りょ and りゅ
Doubly so for shit like 遠慮

>> No.19091821

so you just mean pronunciation right? because japanese seems really basic.

>> No.19091824

Sounds like you're not actually learning, bro.

>> No.19091826

bruh vowels are not a thing that english natives have trouble with lmao

>> No.19091827

Since I stopped I feel like my reps started going much better.

>> No.19091830

Jap pronunciation (not pitch accent!) is so easy I could pronounce the language much better after a day of learning it than I could pronounce English now after having learnt it for 5+ years

>> No.19091831

If I continue browsing these threads and watching Gaijin-living-in-Japan vlogs I'll pick up Japanese through osmosis so I'm not worried.

>> No.19091834

I used to mess up the katakana all the time, but I watched a certain video about it and somehow memorized all of it permanently in one sitting. I don't really know how. I went from barely recognizing half of them to having everything memorized forever.

>> No.19091841

Reminder that https://pastebin.com/492LYNnt is your friend if you need a stepping stone between kana and Tae Kim.

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>> No.19091845

>It's not possible to give unambiguous translations of most Japanese sentences without context. ~
I want to break my fucking keyboard when I read shit like this. What were these guys thinking when they invented their language?

>> No.19091847

it's obviously meant to be ironic dude

>> No.19091848

It's a problem with translation, dude, not Japanese.

>> No.19091852

> Nが...
>N is the subject of an action or state of being (e.g. the "I" in "I killed him")
stopped reading there
except when it also can be an object in the English grammar sense e.g.

>> No.19091854

it's still the subject there dude

>> No.19091855

>What were these guys thinking when they invented their language?
That shit is great, it happens in pretty much every language except the Germanic ones. It's nice to say vague shit, you will never know that shit because you need your subject and object pal.

>> No.19091858

~が好きだ means that something is the subject of the state "is an object of affection". That "something" isn't a grammatical object.

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>> No.19091864

>just read more
Good guide

>> No.19091866

Yeah. Natives of other languages generally pronounce foreign words "wrong" when they don't know the language, but at least they pronounce them in a way that is consistent with their own language. Each letter has a set sound and they pronounce the unknown foreign word in a very specific way.

English natives, on the other hand, literally get stuck on weird german or Japanese words and have NO idea how to even begin to pronounce them. They can't even do it wrong because the letter "A", for instance, doesn't have a single pronunciation for them. It depends on the word. So they end up being unable to even attempt to pronounce a lot of foreign words.

>> No.19091867

sorry, I'm just repeating what I read in Tae Kim's

>> No.19091870

No we don't, besides pronunciation which is only 1 thing and quite fucking irrelevant at that we are on the same fuckboat as english natives.

>> No.19091871

God, i wish i could just learn this language without learning to READ it too. Hiragana and Katakana were easy enough, some of the easy Kanji like 今、人、何 are totally fine but then you have those fucking scribbles, like jesus fuck.

I have thought about learning the 50 most common Kanji Radicals which cover about 80% of the essential 2000 Kanji to better be able to recognize or decipher them. Do you guys think that's a good idea?

>> No.19091872

Tae Kim might've gotten that idea from Korean or something, I have no idea. Tae Kim is good at explaining things in a way that you can actually use to understand things, and his guide is definitely better than any textbooks that currently exist, but you shouldn't assume that what he says is correct technical grammar.

>> No.19091876

That's why none of them can speak a foreign language.

>> No.19091878

I'm not even the same guy, I just don't have (that much) autism

>> No.19091881

don't listen to DJT-fags and go through the fucking RTK you goddamn retard
I have 0 problems with kanji, in fact I prefer them to seeing these childish kana sentences you guys put here

kanji is a scarecrow, but the real fucking difficulty of the language is just putting the time and maybe the grammar
kanji is EASY, written system of Japanese is easy in general, it's like Chinese for retards with all that kana

>> No.19091882

I learn by translating songs, so it's pretty comfy and helps with pronouncication.
Try learning with your favorite openings. I've been studying for a year and still haven't read rtk or Tae Kim.

>> No.19091885

lads, please help me with >>19091700 or i'm not gonna get any sleep tonight ;_;

what the fuck am i not seeing here?

>> No.19091890

>I've been studying for a year and still haven't read Tae Kim.

Oh, so that's why you still speak elementary japanese. Makes sense.

>> No.19091893

I see. This is another retardation of this guide:
>The neutral sentence structure in Japanese is <Topic> <Subject> <Indirect object> <Direct object> <Adverbs> <Verb>. If it doesn't add ambiguities, most parts of a sentence can be moved around without changing what it means.

>> No.19091896

i-adjectives act as though they were intransitive stative verbs

>> No.19091899

I don't see what's wrong there, are adverbs and direct object in the wrong order?

>> No.19091905

youre supposed to read the words not just look at the kanji and say "hey i know that one!" like rtk suckers but it seems youre too stupid to use your brain at all so maybe you actually do need rtk lol

>> No.19091910

Welp, at least I'm having fun.

>> No.19091912

>all those grammar terms
it's like handing out crutches to amputees

>> No.19091913

>don't listen to DJT-fags and go through the fucking RTK you goddamn retard


>> No.19091915

i-adjecgives act as though they were verbs that only accept が and express a state instead of an action

>> No.19091919

You know what's fun? Being able to have actual conversations with real japanese people on Hellotalk after grinding through this basic shit within 3 months.

>> No.19091923

>implying my goal is talk to some Japs
I literally just want to understand their media, I don't care about them, they are normal human beings like me

>> No.19091929

If I was socially inept enough to go online and have a conversation with someone, I'd probably wouldn't have enough time to learn Japanese.

>> No.19091932

>look at me! i'm learning japanese so i can watch anime without subs! how am i learning it you may ask. well, by watching anime hehe!

You are literally never going to get anywhere in this language

>> No.19091935

pipe down yall

>> No.19091937

Why can you type on a malaysian basket weaving board but typing to actual japs who can help you with your mistakes instead of guessing a solution on /DJT/ is impossible?

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>> No.19091945

you don't know japanese
watching anime alone won't get you very far unless you consume shittons of something stupid like 90s shoujo anime - modern anime is normal japanese, but it's not "conversational', and your the human subconscious is bad at picking up language from listening to non-conversational usages of it

>> No.19091946

>You are literally never going to get anywhere in this language.
Anywhere is pretty relative plus you haven't gotten good at it enough to be the paragon of sorts, 3-months-of-learning shitter.

>> No.19091947

>doesn't teach you pronunciations which is massive
>doesn't teach you any actual words
You can develop an eye to recognize kanji by merely doing anki and reading a lot, or you can go through a retarded book that's gonna take your soul which only normies without the capability to think by themselves can tolerate.
Why do you hate newfags so much?

>> No.19091949 [DELETED] 

>they are normal human beings like me
lol white people and their projection.

>> No.19091954

I'm a newfag but the thought of using mnemonics to memorize Kanji instead of going through the core2k deck dry seems easier to me.

>> No.19091956

Because we're all friends here.

>> No.19091959

I wasn't even talking about anime, I watch everything but anime pretty much.

lmao, stop crying because someone doesn't pat you on the back because you force yourself into some poor Japs' lives with your shitty 3-month-of-study Jap skills just because you want to feel you've achieved something and want to boost your ego, because you clearly didn't have any actual life during the 3 intensive months besides grinding Jap. Yes, only a loser can spend so much time without any outside stimuli.

>> No.19091961

watch more anime

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>> No.19091963

anyone here used LingQ in their studies? Thinking of just saying fuck it and pay for one month, because how it supplies you with reading and listening material while also giving you the ability to mark words by how well you know them and tailoring the content based on your input sounds like it would help a lot. Input based learning (reading, reading, reading and listeningx3) seems to be the fastest way to fluency.

>> No.19091968

When you read English words, you don't read each individual letter. You just see the word itself as a "picture" and immediately recognize it. Same thing happens with kanji you become familiar with.

If you see a long English word misspelled, you'll probably notice it immediately. Same with kanji randicals. If you are familiar with 猫 and see 描 in a word, you'll notice that something is off rather than thinking it's 猫. You may confuse them if you don't know that these lookalikes exist, but once you are aware of the fact that neko has a pretty nasty lookalike, you'll never fallenjoy for that trap again. And there will come a point when you immediately spot the slight difference as soon as you see the kanji. On top of that, the okurigana and the kana for verb conjugations make it pretty obvious which is neko and which is kaku. Same with all the other lookalikes and scary scribbles, most of which don't even HAVE lookalikes. Or at least not as nasty as this one.

>> No.19091969

you can attach pronunciations to the meanings easily, you will also memorise the fucking kanji (with mnemonics or without them) anyway so you might as well do it first
normies can't go through the RTK, they do the deck or wanikani, RTK is the ultimate normie repeller with its outdated lingo and "muh i won't learn pronunciations, just some stupid meanings booo hooo, this is so retarded"

>> No.19091975

this was aimed at >>19091932

>> No.19091976

So, is your answer that it's a good idea?

>> No.19091984

LingQ seems like it would be pretty shit for Japanese in comparison to Rikai + html files. Also in general the interface is clumsy and way less convenient then Rikai. It may well be the best thing for other languages though, I'm not sure what's out there for stuff besides Japanese.

>> No.19091988 [DELETED] 

But anon, Japanese girls have lewd hairy pussies. They are objectively superior to western girls.

>> No.19091994 [DELETED] 

theyre also sideways and smell like fish

>> No.19091997 [DELETED] 

>hairy pussies

>> No.19091999

Rikaichan + html files?
What html files

>> No.19092003

>>childish kana sentences you guys put here
>everybody is the retarded imouto

>> No.19092010

>[知る] -> [知り]ます (notice that 5-る verbs conjugate differently than 1-る verbs)

>> No.19092011

Every particle should be replaced by って to make japanese easier

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>> No.19092024

But why? Japanese grammar isn't hard, because every particle gives words a 100% fixed role in a sentence. There is no ambiguity (unless you think context is ambiguous)

The writing is the bitch part.

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>> No.19092035

this will teach you nihongo instantly guaranteed


>> No.19092039 [DELETED] 

>you will never master Japanese and fuck the concha peluda of a cute Japanese girl
Why live?

>> No.19092052

wait is the containment /int/ thread down or something

>> No.19092057

How come this turbonorman is having a grand time recognizing pictures then?

>> No.19092059 [DELETED] 

if you ignore the former you have a near certainty of the latter

>> No.19092062

i know this one its because he remembered the kanji instead of learned nihongo 爆笑

>> No.19092064

>don't listen to DJT-fags and go through the fucking RTK you goddamn retard
RTK is objectively worse than just anki + reading though.

>> No.19092076

>Spending over 1 fucking year on RTK
Why are normalfags so god damn retarded? Incredible

>> No.19092089

man you should learn English before trying out nip

>> No.19092100

i have better command of eigo than you could ever hope to yume lol

>> No.19092101

Just power through RTK because remembering Kanji is the most annoying aspect of Japanese and once you're able to easily recognize a Kanji you can pick up the readings 50%+ faster.

RTK 1 and 3 only take like 3-4 months to get through which is not a long time at all, and you can practice reading and study Tae Kim's guide at the same time.

>> No.19092108

There's nothing wrong with what he wrote, your ESL is shining through your inability to infer where punctuation would naturally fall.

>> No.19092111

Not only did Jason memorize the Kanji but he also has sick editing skills.

Also if you look at some of Matt vs Japan's videos on RTK and AJATT you can see Jason's comments indicating that after doing RTK he has adopted the AJATT method while doing parkour in Japan. Pay attention to this because this is what it actually looks like to learn Japanese the right way.

>> No.19092119

it's arguably worse if you're a NEET who only wants to read visual novels but if you actually want to be somewhat literate and be able write kanji from memory then you better do RTK if you value your time

>> No.19092120

lmao you can stick a comma after every word and it'd still be wrong

>> No.19092123

>it's arguably worse if you're a NEET who only wants to read visual novels
Where do you think you are, normalfaggot

>> No.19092129

why not just stick them up your ass alongside my epic dick thats currently owning you

>> No.19092132

The funniest part is that he thinks he is ever going to learn Japanese.

>> No.19092136

Anki + reading is something you do for the rest of your life. RTK is something you in two weeks, a month at most. They're not even comparable.

>> No.19092141

the only thing you own is an insufficient amount of brain cells

>> No.19092148


RTK is nice to have because you take it with you outside, casually read it during a 5 minute break and have all the essential kanji in a book so you can glance at the harder ones all day long and hopefully learn a few of them through an epiphany or some shit. I recommend the book.

But for god's sake, don't expect it to teach you kanji by itself. And ignore the fucking mnemonics AS SOON as you disagree with at least one part of them, find them stupid or think of a more memorable one. I basically ignored the mnemonics for every kanji that used the "big" radical because I found the keyword (fucking "St. Bernard", the dog breed, in the Spanish edition. I can't buy the English version in my country) fucking stupid. All the mnemonics had something to do with big dogs and they just didn't click with me at all. In the end, all you get is a few dozen of actually good mnemonics, 90% bullshit and a nice little book you can use to review the important kanji without having to stare at your own notebook and losing all motivation because your handwriting is ugly as sin.

The book isn't bad, but you can't just learn meanings and radicals and expect to remember them in a few weeks. You need to use external sources and READ stuff so you can see the kanji used in actual words and get a feeling for their readings. RTK doesn't give you any words or readings, so it's useless by itself. You will learn at a very slow pace and forget most of it if you rely entirely on RTK.

>> No.19092149

show me that gape baby

>> No.19092159

>547 days to memorize 2200 Kanji
That's an average of only 4 Kanji per day.

>> No.19092160

>arguing with jamal
He absolutely never admits his faults.

>> No.19092163

no one ever posts my faults because i own that fucking much

>> No.19092168

can you go back to plebbit thanks

>> No.19092181

I'm only interested in otaku junk, but I have no other interests or skills apart from languages, so I'd like to learn Japanese properly in order to become a translator in the future. I don't know what else to do with my life.

I can't just learn enough to read VNs and be an illiterate fuck that can't even pass the JLPT N2.

>> No.19092184

the really tragic part is that most people here are uglier than him, can't do parkour, can't edit videos, don't have 200k subs on youtube and also won't learn japanese

>> No.19092186

actually writing down the kanji you learn is ineffective and dumb, that's why he only got to 4/day

>> No.19092198

>RTK is something you in two weeks, a month at most.
Or, its something you never do and just learn japanese instead

>> No.19092202

have you learned other languages before? to what standard?

>> No.19092210

Is it possible to make a living doing Japanese translation work? What about via commissions only?

>> No.19092213

Let's be real guys, if RTK takes you longer than a week you should just give up.

>> No.19092227

ok guys i spent a year remembering the kanji im finally ready to learn nihongo

wait what do i do now

hustlers can make money doing anything if you got game youll get paid

>> No.19092232

if RTK took you any time at all you should give up because RTK is shit and you shouldnt use it

>> No.19092237

yes being a translator is a job that exists

what kind of question is that

>> No.19092246

Only English, but I found it really easy and didn't have to take any classes. My speaking ability is pretty flawed, though. Not because I don't know how to pronounce the words, but because my mouth isn't physically used to English. I stumble all over the place. I could probably become good at it if I had a native friend to practice with for a few months. My problem is that I never get the chance to speak English, unless I talk to myself.

>> No.19092248

Anyone have any good Japanese DnB with female vocals? I like soft pussy liquid shit like this:

>inb4 it's shit, DnB isn't music etc

>> No.19092249

It was phrased in a reddit way but what I mean is being a NEET just doing commission work and without any formal training.

>> No.19092252

I mean, the guy is literally like 50 years old. Is it that surprising he's unwilling to talk to people half his age on equal terms?

>> No.19092265

I wasn't aware, that would explain his cringy, trying to be hip behavior.

>> No.19092266

>spending your entire day on 4chan at 50 years old
How awful can one persons life be?

>> No.19092274

here check this out


it aint even got to do with age though i guess thinking about it that would be a contributing factor

>> No.19092291

What else to do, when you're 50?
It's not like he spent his entire twenties here.

>> No.19092294

>50 years old
>Still writes like he's 12 with no punctuation or grammar in sight

>> No.19092310

Who is Jamal?

>> No.19092311

what's your first language?

a major hurdle with translating/interpreting is that it's ultimately the level of the target language that matters the most

i've done translation work from a variety of languages into english and portuguese, but i'd have a lot of trouble translating from those languages into languages i don't speak natively

>> No.19092316

i have no fuckin clue dude theyre just chasing boogeymans again

>> No.19092318

>wife and kids
>hobbies (Japanese isn't a hobby for him)
Only explanation is that he's an autistic pariah loser type from the previous generation. Kinda frightening to think a big percentage of young people on this site have his life to look forward to in 20-30 years time.

>> No.19092323

or maybe im in just such a good ass spot that i get to play on the internet with little dweebs and not worry about shit for epic mother fuckin win

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Japanese high-schooler

>> No.19092338

does stuff translated to portuguese do weird shit like preserve japanese honorifics and shit like alot of english stuff marked at "otaku" types

>> No.19092342

The only difference between spending all day on the computer at 20 and 50 is how many times per day you're able to beat off to eroge.

>> No.19092372

honestly i cant even remember the last hentai game that made me want to do that

theres your true horror of aging you just stop wanting to jack off completely

>> No.19092376

Spanish. I don't really like the idea of interpreting, it sounds very stressing. But I guess there must be jobs where you can interpret at a relatively quick pace without having to be lightning fast.

>i'd have a lot of trouble translating from those languages into languages i don't speak natively
That's true, especially if it's a formal document or something like that. It can be pretty hard to translate if you don't know the weird terminology you are supposed to use.

>> No.19092394

of course the destination language is the biggest deal because thats the final product

its not about being faithful to everything exactly in the way it was in the original but about recreating the overall experience

>> No.19092395

I've never been able to jack off to eroge because the non-loli girls never have pubes, which is a total boner-killer for me. It's like trying to fap to Barbie dolls. The only eroge girls that feel "right" and look like they are supposed to are lolis, but lolige are never translated into English.

Euphoria barely managed to be enjoyable because the teenage girls actually had pubes, but their bushes were still unaturally small. They had clearly been tampered with.

>> No.19092408

There you go my nigga.

>> No.19092411

I don't play that trash, but find it hard to believe it's different from animations and manga/doujins where you can find a decent amount of pubic hair.

>> No.19092428


Let me guess... They are all milfs with tits bigger than their heads, right? I don't know what the deal with hentai and its aversion to giving girls between 12 and 20-something full bushes. Aren't Japanese girls supposed to be super hairy?

>> No.19092435

actually i remembered i posted this whilst thinking of the last hentai game i jacked off to >>19084789

but this is like stuff 5+ years ago

i aint about that shit youre talkin about though in the least

>> No.19092436

>full bushes

>> No.19092441

Can you guys still jerk off to 3d?

>> No.19092456

I do that all the time.

>> No.19092459

You might want to stick to JAV my friend.

Only to things that satisfy my yellow fever.

>> No.19092464

i can but i usually dont due to aforementioned decrease in libido because i need every bit of testosterone i can get just to have normal sex with my wife nowaday

>> No.19092466

sure bro, my main intake of japanese media is actually JAV desu

>> No.19092472

I can, but it's infrequent.

>> No.19092474

Yea but I'm currently in a 2d oba month.

>> No.19092475

> just to have normal sex with my wife nowaday
Nobody believes you

>> No.19092477

It was all smooth sailing up to this point but verb clauses and verb clauses turned into nouns are literally fucking up my day

>> No.19092478

Kuso thread

>> No.19092481

i dont need your validation you little dork

>> No.19092483

bear in mind that you could learn any romance language at a very quick pace if you speak spanish. picking up 2 or 3 romance languages might me more advantageous (at least in the short term) than learning japanese

>> No.19092488

RTK does not teach you Japanese and does not help you recognize the kanji more than just trying to read. It gives people the satisfaction of rewiring their brains to understand kanji composition without having to yet undergo the process of beginning to read. But beginning to read will always be equally difficult no matter what you do. Period.

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10000 hours of english subbed anime or 10000 hours of spanish subbed anime

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>> No.19092512

what if someone has watched 10000 hours of indonesian subbed anime then does remembering the kanji

arent they gonna just start plugging in all those kanjis theyve remembered right away when they start reading and mentally attach them to the words they know from anime

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>> No.19092521

If you actually know spoken Japanese then you want to use the kanji drill resources that natives use, where they learn with mnemonics but learn kanji in the context of words they already know, including readings, and without "keywords". The doraemon one in the CoR is good.

>> No.19092536

Very rarely. Most 3D just seems so gross to me now. If I do manage to jerk off to 3D it's never to anything that includes dicks or emphasizes bodily fluids.

>> No.19092540

That's for sure. I might learn French and Italian at some point, since I studied them at school and still remember the basic stuff.

I just feel that if I don't get serious with Japanese already and stick with it, I'll never be able to learn it.

What's your opinion about learning several languages at the same time? Is it easy to keep them separated in your head? Does it just consume too much energy?

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doraemon is the fuckin bees knees

look at how much sense it all makes

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In all seriousness look at this it's great.

>> No.19092583

>10000 hours of spanish subbed anime
My OCD can't take even 30 minutes of that. It's literally the only reason I forced myself to learn English when I was a teenager. Spanish fansubs are absolute fucking cancer, they can barely put two senteces together without making at least 3 grammar mistakes or misusing punctuation marks. Don't even get me started on manga fan translations. They read like machine translations from English and make NO sense, but they are done by actual human beings who somehow don't notice that most of the text is an ininteligible mess.

>> No.19092594

How the fuck would such a person connect anything from that? RTK does not teach readings, let alone words. Do you think hes just gonna read the subtitle and be like "oh this word must use this kanji because it means this" all the while completely missing what word it was because he hasn't got a fucking clue of japanese grammar.

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Okay that's enough for now, you guys get the idea. This is like, a fucking masterpiece.

>> No.19092627

somehow i believe you https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Id5ZGhvW-sw

>>19092582 et al
yeah dude doraemons got the real shit and he always has..

>> No.19092631

>Don't even get me started on manga fan translations. They read like machine translations from English and make NO sense, but they are done by actual human beings who somehow don't notice that most of the text is an ininteligible mess.
You're not implying that English scanlations are any better, right?

>> No.19092632

English scanlations at least sound like they were written by a conscious sentient living organism.

>> No.19092640

Doraemon is my childhood and Shizuka-chan has always been my loli waifu. Doraemon is almost more well-known than Mickey Mouse or Super Mario in Spain. Practically everyone here grew up watching 3 episodes of Doraemon every morning.

The manga is supposed to be pretty easy to understand if you are just starting to learn Japanese. Should I give it a try or does it use so few kanji that it's a bit of a waste of time? I don't want to just read kana most of the time.

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I'm not so sure about that.

>> No.19092649

Dude, if it has full furigana and you're hyped for it, go for it.

>> No.19092650

If you're just starting you shouldn't be worried about things using too few kanji. You should be worried about understanding how the language works. Doraemon is good for that.

>> No.19092658

nothing in doraemon is a waste of time if youre not learning something about nihongo youre learning something about life

>> No.19092669

that is some fuckin proper bullocks innit mate

>> No.19092679

See, this isn't a "scanlation", this is a "scan with random english letters on it".

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Is ぼかぁ douchebag-ese for ぼくは?

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Asking again.
Is there a reason why Tae Kim uses the grouping on the left instead of the grouping on the right?

>> No.19092688

Have you tried reading the full sentence?

>> No.19092690

Because he had no idea what he was doing when he first started writing his guide, just like every other guide.

>> No.19092693

Yes, the only part I don't understand is the ぼかぁ.

>> No.19092697

Tell me about the 音 he's talking about.

>> No.19092702

you understand what it is but you dont understand why its there !!!!!!

>> No.19092705

It's not an onomatopoeia if that's what you're thinking, he says ぼかぁ all the time.

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>> No.19092714

"Boka~a", ... that sound ...

>> No.19092716

Oh nevermind, I'm retarded. Sorry.

>> No.19092719

>was dancing towards that sound
>saw the beer, didn't I?
Fuck, I'm awful.

>> No.19092723

hey you didnt happen to write this did you >>19092642

>> No.19092729

踊る != 驚く
ビール != ビル

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>> No.19092905

>Anki is something you do for the rest of your life
Haha wtf has this thread become. DJT has lost its way.

>> No.19092916

its a nice thread with nice posters who just wanna look at flashcards forever

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Show me a single person who can read Japanese without using pop-up dictionaries as a crutch and doesn't use Anki.

>> No.19092931

I think it's better to just write rather than memorizing thousands of mnemonics before anything. The only mnenomic I can remember is one for the stroke order of 必(ソ・し・ハ). If I try making one for 楕 and 惰, I'll probably mix the mnemonics.

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Yeah you do use it for a while, but once you've spent enough time grinding Anki and reading, words stick in your brain enough so that you no longer need Anki. That is unless you have a brain defect or something.

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if youre name dropping that guy you should be name dropping yourself by now innit mate

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Japanese people

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Files converted from epub lose word boundaries when imported into my kindle. The dictionary highlights entire sentences instead of individual words. How do I fix this?

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we got enough real nihongo problems here that we dont have time to worry about your technical support

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And Ching Chang Chong to you too, sir!

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He's a cunt, but as far as camcerous e-celebs go, at least he's not as bad as the people who usually get spammed here.

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t. 黒人

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How do you even SAY "nigger foreigner" without it sounding like just "foreigner"?

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That feel when you don't want to use anime to learn Japanese because you want to learn Japanese to actually enjoy anime so you download live action dramas and listen to audiobooks.

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Just watch anime with English subs, you aren't going to run out any time soon

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you can enjoy anime over and over again

>> No.19093168

If kimochi means "feeling", why do girls in porn say "kimochiiiiiiii kimochiiiiiiiiii" while they cum?

Imagine an american pornstar screaming "OHHH FEEEELING, FEEEEEELING, OOOOOOH, FEEEEEEELIIIIIIIIIIIIIINGGGGG". It's retarded.

Japanese girls are retarded. I guess all the energy that was supposed to go to their brain is wasted in growing 10000000 pubes a week.

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because they sayin kimochi ii my ninja

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気持ち + いい = 気持ちいい

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Negro smokes? Negro rapes? Negro ends? What the fuck was that kanji?

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To this day I still don't know if 痺れてる means they are going numb or feel good

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Why does "kimoi" mean disgusting or unpleasant? Isn't it just the kanji part of "kimochi" with an "i" added to make it an adjetive? Sounds pretty neutral to me. What's the logic in having it mean a BAD feeling?

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because its short hand for kimochiga waluigi my ninja

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Speaking of kimootas: they find little girls to be pretty damn suki.

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小文字くん, isn't it time for you to graduate from DJT?

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Where the fuck does the Japanese language originate from.

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Somewhere on the Korean peninsula, probably. Maybe somewhere nearby. Not "recently" genetically related to Korean.

>> No.19093220

What would the old emperors of Nihon say if they knew that the country today is only known for fucked up fetish porn and cute anime loli girls who use ridiculous made-up words at the end of sentences to look cuter?

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Help me out guys,
wtf does this mean? Does this mean that the two characters are interchangeable or that they go together?

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faculty members dont graduate

i am young 部落 man

>> No.19093228

It means that they share the same meaning/pronunciation.

>> No.19093232

Should being able to fully comprehend Muramasa be the ultimate goal of Japanese learners?

>> No.19093235

That should be your secondary goal. Your primary one should be interpreting and understanding Subahibi on anything but a surface level.

>> No.19093236

Muramasa is merely a stepping stone to Tale of Genji.

>> No.19093252

thats not a good goal because 15 year olds can read it and have read it and talked about it the next day at school with the other 15 year olds that read it

your goal should prolly be more like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eN_ztessfM#t=60

hanahira has more depth than the smut reel that is subahibi

>> No.19093277

Thanks. I looked it up (which I should have done in the first place) and it turns out the lefthand character was replaced by the right in the 2010 version of the joyo kanji.

>> No.19093284

Say you're a NEET with a lot of free time. You don't have to pay a dime. You don't have to like any of the snake oil salesmen. Explain exactly what is wrong with doing AJATT.

>> No.19093295

idk what the ajatt content is so i cant tell you

id rather do all nihongo all lifetime (anal)

>> No.19093305

AJATT is a meme do RATTATA instead.

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You should just watch 10000 hours of anime while you are still a NEET

>> No.19093336

>Explain exactly what is wrong with doing AJATT
gay scam that is being aggressively shilled here for months without end in sight
rule 11 isn't being enforced because you kind has obviously realized this place isn't moderated at all
In the end you'll realize nobody is falling for it and probably just kill yourself, but why should you wait for that? Get a head start

>> No.19093384

It's funny how I got banned many times for 3 day periods for posting about the Japanese language in this thread because some assholes who didn't like my opinions kept reporting my posts, yet some stupid pavement ape has been spamming god awful rap videos for a few months now with nary a ban in sight. This thread has been overrun with morons and normies.

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lowercase-kun is a mod here kid watch it.

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Is it me or the Hebrew alphabet kind of looks like katakana?

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Fresh video from mr. 禿げ

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theres a fucking pissjug in the back on the very left

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timestamp 9 minutes 30 second
requesting soundbyte

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Wait until you see my spellcard

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im fuckin utterly disgusted that i even seeked to that

only on the internet can balding 20somethings who live in their moms house with manga plastered all over the wall who piss in jugs can sit in front of their webcam for an hour and a half and pretend to be some kind of scholarly educator for a language that im sure they are using a lot in their bedroom at said moms house

pack it up even that japanese from cero guy george foreman or whatever mops the floor with this dipshit

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>he mentions toradora
Definitely lurks this thread lmao

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i actually heard him say shit that sounds like shit i would say so not surprised

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How can a word used to describe when something happens be the direct object of a sentence? Like 今を「verb」 would mean what? How can a descriptor be the thing being acted upon?

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>yet some stupid pavement ape has been spamming god awful rap videos for a few months now with nary a ban in sight
Because hes a janitor.

>> No.19093733

今 is a thing right dude ?

no boogey man shit

>> No.19093737

Is it true that Japanese people use katakana to soften the impact of sensitive or embarrassing words"? Like saying "トイレ" to avoid using the actual Japanese word because it feels too "direct" (since the kanjis have meanings like "excrement" and shit like that).

I've doujin characters using the word ヘア to refer to pubic hair. It's just the word HAIR in English, but the use of the English word comes off as something dirty because it's clearly being used to refer to PUBIC hair to avoid the actual Japanese word for it.

Is this correct? If so, why the fuck do they use ドア sometimes instead of "とびら"? What's dirty or naughty about a door?

I find this whole thing fascinating, because here in latin America everyone would cringe hard if you randomly used an English word to substitute the real world. It'd just sound ridiculous. How do the Japanese get away with it? I know they "adapt" English words and turn them into Japanese words by deforming the shit out of them trying to fit the restrictions of katakana. But still, why doesn't ドア come off as cringy?

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>How do the Japanese get away with it

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wait till you figure out why its ベッド instead of..

>> No.19093788

We have a bunch of english words in our everyday vocabulary as well you just don't notice it, like "freezer", we call the living room "living", the expression "ok" that's used all the time, and other shit I can't remember because I don't talk to people anymore.
トイレ is a loan word, their word for bathroom 洗面所 is kinda long so that's why you don't hear it.
扉 is used but not for normal doors, after a while you can feel that the pronunciation gives a feeling of magnitude so it's used for gates and shit.

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i have this book that i'm learning from and there's something that's not explained or addressed that i can't find anything online about and i was wondering if someone could explain
in the sentences given:
what is the meaning and grammatical explanation for the "で" particle? looking it up online just gives me the standard use of the particle but nothing about this

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Buy it and rip it for us

>> No.19093867

Yep already been listening to it. Great advice from an intelligent and fluent Japanese speaker.

>> No.19094070

It's a contraction of the archaic にて, which in the context, is the て form of the dead proto-japonic copula n*.

It's like a て form of だ if だ had a て form.

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Also it's completely normal modern Japanese, the meaning just goes that far back.

>> No.19094134

Muramasa is easier than most books I've read.

>> No.19094148

填 is the most popular form of the kanji and it's not 常用漢字. 塡 is old form that is 常用, almost no one uses it. Spit on 常用 list.

>> No.19094220

your problem, which is the problem of essentially all people with poor accents, is that you aren't actually trying
you're inhibiting yourself so as to not embarrass yourself, at pretty much the subconscious level, in the same way that people don't really try to properly sing along to music
you're basically creating a margin of error for yourself so that you don't fail
once you actually realize and internalize this as being the case, it won't take you months
what it will take is a whole lot of talking to yourself and repeating things you hear while watching videos and shit like an actual autist
believe it or not, every single person that can sing, do good accents and impersonations etc is the type of person that autistically repeated things they heard on TV as they heard them, absolutely no exception

>> No.19094314

>I think something a lot of bluepilled people do
Why does he take this so seriously?

>> No.19094323

he's gotta work hard for his patreon bucks

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Rule 11.

>> No.19094466

Wait is offering (on-topic) information advertising?

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It's not always about 'dirtiness' or 'naughtiness', kana usage does not always have to do with that kind of thing but sometimes they do. Languages are dynamic, and things change gradually, you can't just pick one rule like 'ah it's an embarrassing word so you have to use kana' and assume it applies universally. Kana usage can have a lot of implications. If you're reading a manga or novel, a character 'speaking' mostly in hiragana sounds less polite and more juvenile. A character 'speaking' in katakana sounds mechanical or foreign. A character using kanji even for words that aren't commonly written like that sounds more exaggeratedly formal.

In Dutch we have plenty of English loan words as well, and especially in Belgian Dutch (aka Flemish) we've got a lot of French ones too. They don't sound 'cringeworthy' because they are no longer 'English' words since they've become integrated in the language, to the point where the pronunciation is also very different. Similarly, Japanese loan words are not English words pasted into a Japanese sentence, they are Japanese words with an English origin and are also (usually) pronounced completely differently. A Japanese person would understand if you asked them where the トイレ is but if you just pronounced it the way you'd pronounce it in English they might not understand.

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Oh and also to stress this a little more: 'Toilet' is not originally an English word at all, it is a French loan word, but when you say it you don't feel like you're saying a French word because it's integrated in the language so well.

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Spamming your channel here is advertising.

>> No.19094714

Why the fuck does "二日” get a tsu but “九日” doesn't?

>> No.19094760

because "kokonotsuka" sounds stupid

>> No.19094776

Why couldn't it just be futoka?

>> No.19094782

because tsu is the main numeral counter in japanese, kokonokka is the exception to the rule, not the other way around

>> No.19094790

That's gay and dumb

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You are gay and dumb

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No you

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And? You realize no one cares right? Just give up

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>childish kana sentences
I had no problem with learning kanji but let's not pretend that kana isn't a superior system, and that alphabets aren't a superior system to kana. There's nothing mature about using a different symbol for practically every word.

>> No.19094920

you don't know Japanese

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>> No.19094976

What's the objective best way to learn kanji?

>> No.19095028

association with words is objectively and, i would argue, only real way to permanently learn kanji
learning radicals might seem like the most efficient way to start except it isn't, as they are completely independent shapes that aren't even tied to a sound, making them extremely difficult to remember, plus you will begin learning them as you see them repeated in more and more kanji anyway, learning radicals as the first thing you do is an utter waste of time
add as many words as you can to each kanji, there is no shortcut to practicing both reading and writing frequently, at least twice a week every week, or you will end up forgetting things you are 100% sure you have memorized after as little as a couple weeks, there's no going around it
doing just flash cards is also dumb, because there is a clear mental difference between being able to recognize kanji and being able to recreate it directly from memory in writing
these are the inconvenient truths

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Depends on you, really.

>> No.19095181

>If you're reading a manga or novel
You can't "read" a manga though. Manga isn't reading.

>> No.19095234

procure a basic understanding of how the human brain memorizes things and you might understand why it's important

>> No.19095248

It's actually not so crucial. Production and comprehension are different things.

I know exactly what the Mona Lisa looks like but I can't paint it.

>> No.19095258

but if you could paint it you would know what it looks like even more exactly, wouldn't you, especially if it was around 12 strokes for the whole thing and you had to exactly know what several thousand other mona lisas looked like
see? i even made your false analogy work

>> No.19095297

Not really, production is more muscle memory than anything else.

I'm not saying it's useless, just that the time necessary to learn it will probably outweigh the benefits.

>> No.19095345

there does not exist a person that has memorized a number of kanji over 50 that does not also know how to write every single one of them
the notion is exactly as ludicrous as claiming to be someone that can read alphabetical words but can't write letters; it's not impossible, but no person without severe neurological mutation would fit that particular bill
if you think you can get by with just reading kanji and not knowing how to write kanji, you will fail, unless you're dangerously autistic or have an otherwise extraordinary memory that allows you to memorize things that normal people require 10 times more connections to remember
muscle memory has nothing to do with this, and even if it were muscle memory, it would help more than having nothing

>> No.19095360

Brain damage

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Okay, now I'm spooked.

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>there does not exist a person that has memorized a number of kanji over 50 that does not also know how to write every single one of them
dumbest thing I've read all day thanks

>> No.19095378

Wait till 鬱 gives you 憂鬱

>> No.19095382

see you in a year when you'll be struggling to remember katakana

>> No.19095400

Actual autism.

>> No.19095404

It was pretty easy to memorize actually.

>> No.19095411

All of the kanji are easy to memorize desu. Them being super hard is a meme. Complex kanji are even easier, as they usually factorize into phonetic and semantic components

>> No.19095420

Thing is you probably missed the point of the post.
I didn't say 麗 was difficult to write. It just looks like a spooky skeltal

>> No.19095438

Ah. Good observation.

>> No.19095439

>procure a basic understanding of how the human brain memorizes things
We have though, its called comprehensible input
Writing doesn't do that.

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I can't tell what the fuck this means.

>> No.19095449

1v1 me kanken 2-kyu

>> No.19095453

>the notion is exactly as ludicrous as claiming to be someone that can read alphabetical words but can't write letters; it's not impossible, but no person without severe neurological mutation would fit that particular bill
You're actually just straight up wrong. The reality is that children in school learn by writing, and that's why they can write.

It's been years since I wrote kana. I'd honestly struggle to remember how the strokes go in anything but か and あ off the top of my head. But I can read it completely fine, I just don't have the muscle memory to reproduce them.

It's not how humans work. Every person in the US could recognise a 1 dollar note, but 0.001% of them could draw anything approaching even a 10% reproduction.

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>he fell for the hanahira is easy meme

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look up むすっと in a dictionary
しとる = しておる

>> No.19095482

No I fell for the cute girls and I don't regret it.
Know an easier VN that is full of cute girls?

>> No.19095488

neither does reading but ok
i don't know why you're roleplaying in these threads as people that actually give a shit about learning japanese, because writing kanji, or kana for that matter, is not difficult in the slightest, and all stroke orders are completely logical and consistent, governed by literally two or three basic rules
if you don't know something this basic i don't know what the fuck it is you're doing but it sure as shit won't pass you a JLPT

>> No.19095490

Never came across 〜ておる before. What does it mean?

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いる, basically

it's not the same but you'll learn the nuance naturally

>> No.19095515

Essentially ている in a dialectal form or sometimes used in formal situations
Not uncommon in contracted forms such as とる

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Do kids with hiragana names get bullied at school?

>> No.19095524

I actually agree with most of what you said in >>19095028

it just feels like I got blindsided by a turd

>> No.19095529

no, only ゆう

>> No.19095548

i'm sorry, i don't understand, what do you mean?

>> No.19095570

Why would you bother memorizing the stroke order of hiragana characters?
It only makes sense to know the SO of シツソン, because in some shitty fonts, which are terribly common in manga, the only way to tell them apart is to look at the thicker end of ノ, the small strokes always point exactly at the center.

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it's easier to read those if you look for which 'edge' of the character creates a straight line that touches all 3 lines, such as for ツ and ソ the line would be horizontal at the top of the character, and for シ and ン it would be vertical on the left
it's for this exact reason that stroke order for kana is important, because there's a rhyme and reason to it and drawing the lines out of order will make them look really off and inconsistent most of the time; there's only two or three ways to write any kana character but once you understand that the given stroke orders are not random they will come naturally to you, of course this also fully applies to kanji, allowing you to greatly increase your reading speed

>> No.19095628

Its simple, not easy.
Alcoholics have this problem.

>> No.19095643

go back to /int/ where you can jerk off over your test scores and resumes k thanks

>> No.19095649

>t. claims to "know Japanese" but is too scared to actually prove it by taking a test

>> No.19095660

Hiragana are simple characters, it's hard to see any reason to follow the recommended stroke order. And it really makes me roll my eyes sometimes (why, just why does the small stroke in よ go AFTER the big one), so no thanks.
And I never said anything about the stroke order in kanji, so you don't have to explain why I need it. Though it's pretty illogical sometimes, too, like in 皆, the same shit as in よ.

>> No.19095663

>how can you be sure you really understand that porn without a certificate saying so?

>> No.19095666

it's 2018 my dude, what are you some kind of grandad that thinks true language masters such as him need to know how to WRITE in that language? he's already a master! and since he's already a master it means he's correct in claiming that BASIC FUCKING WRITING has nothing to do with learning foreign languages! checkmate! fucking get out of here you geriatric

>> No.19095675

Prove it to whom?
It's not like any of us actually planned to work in Japan, there's /int/ for that kind of people. Why would I waste time and money?

>> No.19095687

Anon no-one can read my handwriting in English either, why should I bother learning to scribble in Japanese when I can just shitpost using my keyboard?

>> No.19095691

post your cert

>> No.19095702

JLPT doesn't test writing you slobbering idiot

>> No.19095732

good gotcha moment but i have to admit i just googled 'japanese language proficiency exam' in google and namedropped the first one i found, i'm going to take some sort of exam of this nature for my college license but i don't know what it's called and it will definitely have me writing entire pages
because people here seem to be under the impression that reading kanji without writing them is the same as reading alphabetical words with the letters switched around, thus not needing to precisely know every line, but kanji is literally the exact opposite, where details matter more than the basic shape, and it's only a matter of time before you hit a roadblock that you will never overcome a few hundred kanji in, not to mention the reading speed of an actual imbecile

>> No.19095740

Good luck remembering 2000 kanji without writing them down.

>> No.19095751

You don't know Japanese.

>> No.19095758

You don't know Japanese either

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>details matter more than the basic shape
another gem of wisdom from our resident kanji master

>> No.19095766

I know russian and hebrew

>> No.19095767

В этом нет ничего особенного.

>> No.19095773

I practised writing some and stopped because it's slow as fuck. My ability to remember them wasn't affected. I could write them if I wanted because as discussed the rules are simple, but I don't because who gives a shit?
The only hard part is getting the size of each part right so it fits nicely in a square.

>> No.19095778

I also know your mums vagina you little bitch

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>and it's only a matter of time before you hit a roadblock that you will never overcome a few hundred kanji in
You don't know japanese.

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>> No.19095824

someone post the graph that says people give advice the most when theyre beginners

>> No.19095841

みんな げんき?

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>> No.19095857

i managed to learn 120 kanji that i never even touched for my exams last semester, in two days, exclusively thanks to writing and vocabulary, i did absolutely nothing else
no flash cards, no fucking new age comprehensible input pseudoscience, nothing, and i passed 5 actual exams
i'm trying to tell you that what you're doing doesn't fucking work, because i know it doesn't fucking work, because i've been down this path 20 fucking times in the past decade and it's only beginning to work for real now
forget japanese, you don't know how to learn

>> No.19095871

>120 kanji
Troll fishing for (you)s.

>> No.19095896

sorry i'm not trying to fit into your neet roleplay board culture and having the audacity to post actual opinions without eleven herbs and spices of stale meme, i thought this was a thread about learning japanese, but do kill yourself though

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Worked hard on my nip to read this manga earlier.
Just to find out how much it sucked.

>> No.19095916

There he goes again.

>> No.19095928

i'll let you have the last word if you ask nicely

>> No.19095944

Writing kanji undeniably helps with memorization but it's way too time consuming. You're better off just reading and doing anki.

>> No.19095950

>my learning method > your learning method
Whoever knows Japanese better wins this one desu.

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thats really cute that you think \djt\ is about learning nihongo lol

>> No.19095968

By the way, did he just call himself degenerate?

>> No.19096021

You will never learn japanese.

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>> No.19096054

literally malware ridden website do not connect

>> No.19096192

What does rule 11 have to do with my post?

>> No.19096248

Not necessarily. One person might just be smarter so they can still get more out of their inferior method.

>> No.19096275

The only correct way to do Japanese is to learn 120 kanji a year like they do in my JPN 101 college course.

>> No.19096469

Good job but manga isn't reading.

>> No.19096488

yea it is

>> No.19096502

I'll stop calling it "reading" when I no longer need to read the text in speech bubbles.

>> No.19096523

What is reading?

>> No.19096528

mentally processing text phonetically for epic nihongo win

>> No.19096609

Gonna be a busy today. Gotta watch a bunch of videos on how to learn Japanese, then I start reading RTK.

>> No.19096622

nice dude hope you learn lots

heres a nice vid to get you started https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1QDRdXQJT8

>> No.19096649

The nips are on some next level shit when it comes to video editing.

>> No.19096652

they say if you say "RTK" 3 times in the mirror at midnight the 口裂け女 will appear and give you nihongo lessons

>> No.19096669

fuck yea dude https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46xeOz9o3fk#t=55

>> No.19096683

Watching Dragon Ball without fillers and subtitles will make me 100% fluent in Japanese right?

>> No.19096687

have you felt felt like goku so strongly that you talked like goku

>> No.19096718

I never know how to translate 付く or 付ける, so many different meanings.

>> No.19096727

this ninja does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw27QuFhwc8#t=105

why not you

>> No.19096798

Yes. That's how Japanese themselves learn it.

>> No.19096800

Don't translate, just understand.

>> No.19096838

For fuck sake stop posting autistic screeching. No one wants to hear your subhuman "music".

>> No.19096843

For fuck sake stop posting autistic screeching. No one wants to read your subhuman "posting".

>> No.19096849

Did you ever come across やり込み?

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