Elona

[Anonymous No.]

>New? Start here:
http://pastebin.com/vmW2qYkD

>Mods:
http://pastebin.com/HcTtYVsn

>E+ Changelogs:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Changelog_%28Elona%2B%29

>Elona Custom Release Thread:
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Thread:25014

>Previous Thread
>>18917752


Current Version: Elona+ 1.77 (30/04/2018)
Latest Custom: E+C 1.76fix.1

Errors? Set the compatibility of the .exe to WINDOWS 7.

[Anonymous No.]

No OP image. Me be sad.
>>18967886
more like minutes
/jp/ needs waifu general

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969042
You taking over for me? I had a collage ready

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969128
Post it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969135

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>>18969128
Post the full collection while you're at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969122
>>18969128
I dislike those and am disappointed that they became a thing, but no, I'm not taking over.

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>>18969146
That ahoge hat. That onee-chan power.

whats going on in scene on top-right corner why it has pantsu on the wall.

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>>18969151
https://mega.nz/#!IrQUQaLI!znu9-97jxbUnzcpNanDIhFr5ydH2X3jYCKqFwGWxjF0
The newer ones aren't dated yet

>>18969154
If this becomes the general consensus give a shout and just continue posting normal image OPs, it'll save me a lot of time

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>>18969154
>I dislike those
You are probably the only one., no reason to ruin it for the rest of us without discussing.
>>18969233
Tbh i'd rather go to new one if you started it. Half of the fun of elona general comes from your OP collages.

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>>18969233
Pretty sure it's just me that particularly dislikes it, and I'm not going to go on a crusade or anything. If you enjoy making them feel free to do it, I'm not going to give you shit for it.

>>18969254
You however can fuck off and lurk more, bumping another thread off the board for something so stupid and petty isn't something we do on /jp/. If you want to make a nuisance of yourself go do it on a faster board where it's less of a bother.

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>>18969283
>something so stupid and petty
>makes a thread on a slow board to get rid of the op image the he dislikes
i have mixed feelings here
however, this is a last post on this topic from me.

[Anonymous No.]

>higher-res Elona never
I keep thinking how hard could it be to give it more pixels per tile, it sounds so easy, but there must be a reason to why it is so hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969283
First come first serve so you're free to post before I do, the last thing I want to do is have multiple threads shitting up the board. Besides it's no guarantee I'm always gonna be around. I enjoy it a lot but don't always have the time to make a themed ''good one'' so inevitably a lot are going to be subpar

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>>18969312
You'll need to rewrite core engine, make all sprites anew and force Ano to start drawing highly detailed sprites.
Well if you really want to re-make all sprites you can always try to contact Ano.

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>>18969314
Might as well just make one when you want to make one, sounds better than doing it out of obligation or people waiting around for you when you're busy. Plus there's nothing stopping you from posting it in the thread if someone makes one before you. So long as the OP is kept updated I'm happy, not that there's much to do other than change a few numbers around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969340
>rewrite core engine
This is what I'm more worried about, that something in the core engine is tied to the pixels somehow.

>make all sprites anew
I could work on that if it was all it needed, and I imagine there are many other people willing to help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969379
>and I imagine there are many other people willing to help.
Have fun with that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969355
Yeah by all means, if the thread dies without a link to one with a gay mosaic just assume I'm out hog-wrangling or on a spiritual journey. The most important thing is that there's a thread to discuss the game

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969379
>I could work on that
You'll need to try to contact Ano first, I guess?
As a member of several big modding projects, i can only say: you need to assume that you'll work on everything alone til the end.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969379
You might be underestimating the titanic amount of work redrawing every sprite in the game would take. I make sprites but I would not take on a project this size.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969400
There are a lot of people making custom sprites, not only here, but on the jp site. I'm not talking about some AAA graphics, but at least 2x(48x48) sprites we have now. Pic related shows how much a 100x100 square looks like.

>>18969412
Well, how many sprites are there? I could just upscale everything as base, and then keep changing the sprites as I can.

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>>18969425
For some reason my pic isn't uploading, but pokemon trainer pics are examples of what you can do with just a 2x res.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969425
around 1-1,5 thousand sprites total, i think? items, map, npc sprites, portraits, ui
the problem is that there is a huge difference between making a 48x48 sprite and 100x100. I can manage to do several 48x ones even without skills, but detalized ones are impossible.

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>>18969442
Even if it takes me 10 years to manage all that, I don't see the problem with just upscaling the game 2x, and letting people who wants to make their own customs, or just copy some sprite on the internet to use higher res images.

It doesn't need to completely replace the usual releases, but just an extra one. The problem is that I think this is not as simple as changing a variable, just like increasing the window resolution can fuck up the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969494
>upscale lowres sprites
yeah no it'll look like shit, especially when several actual highres sprites will be on screen with upscaled ones

it will require at least some changes in core engine which is not written on HSP, no idea if Ano could do that.

There are 3 options if he could -
-make all necessary sprites first and then migrate the game
-rewrite game engine so it'll downscale double res sprites and release all new content in highres(usually looks like shit for pixel art, but still better than upscaling)
-make an option to use double res sprites and let fans do the job however they like

In any case, you'll need Ano to do the coding part, or you have to make a hack without access to the source code for the dll.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969618
>especially when several actual highres sprites will be on screen with upscaled ones
We already have many sprites with different resolutions(there are sprites that are 2x the height of the normal ones, and sprites that uses less than half of the pixels it could use) and artstyles. Unless you are talking about sprites having different sized pixels, but I think that would be a small price to pay to eventually have a higher res game.

What I'm trying to check now is if there isn't already a group moving in this direction, or if Ano ever talked about it before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969751
2x height works without modifying anything, but width is a completely different matter. You will need double res tileset to make it work. and it will look and feel very weird when you'll get tiny original sprites on big tiles. The only way is to downscale new ones until most sprites are ready, and enable full 100x tiles as a debug mode or something.

No and afaik no. The only big project i remember is hsp>java conversion of vanilla.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18969817
>2x height works without modifying anything
You mean the sprites that already have 2x height. Or do you mean 2x height tiles? By upscaling, I meant taking every asset in the game, and doubing its resolution(basically making any pixel into a 2x2 pixel).

Now that I'm thinking about it, the game doesn't handle scaling every well, so I'm afraid that if you increase the resolution, you would only be able to see 1/4 of what you can right now in the same screen size.

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>>18969146
Man, the top right of this picture is really pretty.
It saddens me greatly that we'll never get an RPG game that uses art like that.

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>>18970133
>I'm afraid that if you increase the resolution
Well, I know that the resolution will be 1/4, what I'm afraid of is that the viewable area will be too small to play.

[Anonymous No.]

Talk about sprites, any opinion on that shit? Supposed to be some futuristic railgun that shoots charges/ammo with round sprite in the corner

>>18970159
desu if it could be modified to use modern screen resolution, this is a non-issue.

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>>18970185
Can it? Because when you change screen resolutions, it actually changes how much you can view. I never looked into it, but is there a way to change it?

Also, that railgun looks pretty small, it looks almost like a stapler, but the ammo looks pretty good, although the yellow shine doesn't really show in a white background.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18970213
Its a gun for Elona, so size is on-par with other guns in Elona. Used white temproarily since you cant properly see the gun on black background

You can change it a bit but modern resolutions are not available - its hardcoded in the game engine, apparently.

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>>18970238
Oh, just now I saw that you said "if". And by small, I meant length-wise, when you think about railguns, it's usually something that looks like a futuristic sniper rifle.

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>>18970255
Ah, I understand. Thanks for the input.
I probably have to make it more slender or something for that. I wanted to somewhat replicate picrelated's composition in 48x48, but...

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>>18970303
Yeah, probably the best option will be to make it more slender, and maybe try to make the handle more apparent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18970366
Yep, handle looked weird as well, thanks again.
I wish i could see it from outsider's perspective, always getting blind to obvious flaws when drawing something.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got any updated music packs to share?

[Anonymous No.]

The only times i need to drop something are generally when i dump things in my shop, or on a dungeon ground to free up some space.
Not using multi-drop in these times would be particularily silly.
Well, there is one time i'm not using multi-drop, that's when i pick up accidentaly some random crap i didn't want to pick up and drop it just after.

But really, There's no real argument against using multi-drop except that you learnt to do it without and habits are hard to break.
And that's not a good excuse, because you NEED to be able to break your habits on command, it's a really useful skill/mindset to cultivate, Anon.
The world is a chaotic place, stasis is death.

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>>18970734
Not worth it if you only win femtoseconds, absolutely useless feature. Only speedrunners will care, and we have none here.

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>>18970824
>Only speedrunners will care
Not him, but the difference in convenience is immense.
It's like refusing to use the spell/action hotkeys because "it barely makes a difference."

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>>18970844
Sorry it was a sarcastic comment in line with that weird anon's responses from previous thread.

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>>18970860
Oh, I see. I missed out on last thread.

[Anonymous No.]

time to have some fun
railguns are staves with +throwing rock, tires are garok'ed SLB for PC

[Anonymous No.]

Is the Elona Shooter guy here? Could you please upload your save with everything unlocked?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18971296
https://mega.nz/#!9FczELyR!8ng1-MxlBloYzElIrJ3sNltqfAeUd98IFjhV5caR93g

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>>18969042
No funny collage of stuffs in OP? I am disapoint.

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>>18971519
>>18969146
Literally 3 posts below.

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>>18970844
>>18970734

Not really. I can play the game fine without it. Why do you guys harp on that this is some revolutionary way to play the game? It's useful sure but it's not a big deal.

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>>18970734
I wouldn't say I'm against using multi drop it's just that I don't care enough to use it because I'm winning without it. Hell, even the strongest player in these threads didn't seem to be using it and needed to be reminded that it exists. You see, we old timers didn't need these fancy conviences to kick ass at the game but it's cool that they exist to make the game more accessible.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does it keep saying "you become inexperienced"? do stats overtime just decrease, or something else?

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>>18972140
Cursed item most likely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18972140
Only your EXP needed to level up.

[Anonymous No.]

So guys is this living weapon even worth the trouble of leveling up? Or should I just keep trying until I get a better one?

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>>18972253
I'd say level it up and fill it with resists

[Anonymous No.]

Is it possible to forget or at least reduce spell stock of spells you don't want?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18972362
Not as far as I know, however you can hide spells from the list

[Anonymous No.]

>>18972362
>>18972448
You can also hotkey spells and stuff iirc. Also isn't there the shift+ or control+ number keys as well for hotkeys?

[xXx_ANIZMESUPERKAWAII_xXx No.]

I just discovered this game from another website and they sent me here to learn more.
About to play it for the first time.
What am I in for?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18972646
Probably getting worked over by a kobold 10 times in a row, starving to death, and getting mugged by bandits.
The game has a bit of a learning curve.

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>>18972685
Any advice on what to rebind the keys to if you don't have a number pad?

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>>18972721
>if you don't have a number pad?
I have no idea. Not gonna lie, roguelikes are the half of the reason I have a "full" keyboard.
Elona is hardcoded to allow the arrow keys for movement, even diagonal if you can time it right, but that seems frustrating to say the least. Almost the entire keyboard is used for various shortcuts and functions so you'd have a hell of a time rearranging things if you wanted to use something like hjklyubn movement.
In any case keys can be assigned in config.txt. People here who aren't me have adapted controls for 10key-less keyboards, so maybe you can find one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

1.77 custom when
>>18969146
whats the top right portion from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18972721
Use Ins/Del for diagonal left up and left down and PgUp/PgDown for diagonal right up and right down. KpAsterisk on Home and maybe Enter on End.
Should be pretty comfortable to reach up when you need those keys.

[KFP No.]

>>18972721
>>18972749
>even diagonal if you can time it right
If you hold Alt it forces diagonal movement.

[Anonymous No.]

yo. question.

what the fuck does investing in shops do? is it just for a momentary increase in their buying power so you can sell all your shit for those sweet, sweet shekels? thanks.

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>>18972865
They get more money yes, but the real benefit is that they'll start stocking significantly better stuff.
Investing in magic shops, particularly, makes them start stocking potions of potential, which are an absolute must-have for anyone who wants to make any sort of progress.

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>>18972754
Pixiv

[Anonymous No.]

How does this game work in terms of online?
Is it like darksouls?
I don't understand.

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>>18973085
It used to show you in the message log when other players die and when they get a wish, it also functioned as a chat and you could visit their custom made maps using moongates or the show room. However the servers died years ago and the unofficial one which had limited functionality also died. Until there is some news on this front this game no longer has any online features

[Anonymous No.]

Whats a good Font to use for Elona? Courier New seems to be the only one with good word spacing, while others usually space the letters or words far apart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18973113
I use Meiryo UI, the spacing can be a bit weird in the message log at times but overall it's much easier to read.

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>>18972821
Why does everytime I press alt, my game froze so that I would have to click the screen to make it running again?

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>>18973235
Should be because game window loses focus, its an OS hotkey issue.

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>>18973373
Is there any way to deactivate it?

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>>18973929
How would I know, and its completely unrelated to the game - look for help for your OS or background apps you are running.

[Anonymous No.]

Would it be better to use happy bed or jures body pillow for dreams?

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>>18974525
happy bed unless you have absolutely no need for potential recovery for spells.

[Anonymous No.]

Pets give me so much more materials than gathering spots, so I just ignore nefia fewer lately.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I get rid of this message

[Anonymous No.]

>>18974657
This is a very good question.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18974657

In the settings.

[Anonymous No.]

I am sure this gets asked a lot, but what do these symbols mean?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18974935
Its from unfinished artifact fusion feature in vanilla, ignore that. Plus has separate version of artifact fusion.

[Anonymous No.]

1.77 custom
W H E N
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[Anonymous No.]

>>18975520
never

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>>18975557
ok

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>>18971343
Thank you.

>>18972036
Multidrop exists since vanilla you poser. Don't try to pretend you play for over one year.

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>>18975557
welp

[Anonymous No.]

I'm not really complaining about winning a jackpot, but how could it be a living weapon with those additional attributes? At most i've seen lv99 attrib + lv1-3 + material bonus.

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>>18976318
Probably two different attribute generators running at once. There's a chance to have enhanced spells/rock throwing on staves regardless of quality iirc

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone else have problems in decorating their home?

[Anonymous No.]

So its a sort of a bug after all, huh.

Anyone tried giving lv15 living weapon to pets with huge hp tanks (100k hp at least)? How bad is the HP drain, and will anti-bleeding equipment be able to make the drain a non-issue? at 20k or so pets can still negate it with natural regen, but I never tried further than that.

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>>18976741
Its always a problem, too hard to find fitting tiles and think up overall design.

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>>18976741
I never decorate my house, don't see the point

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>>18969233
I personally enjoy your collages. Would be happy if you continued making and sharing them. As long as it doesn't inconvenience you and you still enjoy making them of course.

>>18976741
I want to and know that I should but everytime I begin I always have that nagging voice in the back of my mind. It says that instead of decorating my house I could be using my time to put more monsters in the ground and leveling my skills. So because of that I always put it off. My crowning achievement so far is making a modest kitchen which really isn't much. I'll get to the house stuff once I'm happy with my skills and spells.

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>>18976741
Yeah, I used to. But back then I could easily just use moongates to visit other peoples uploaded properties to find something to help inspire whatever design I in mind. People are still uploading screenshots of their houses and other map/tile designs on the other elona uploader, if that helps any.

http://www.elonaup.x0.com/

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>>18976969
Coming back to find out that the servers are dead and all those beautiful moongates are gone was one of the most depressing pieces of news for me this year.

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>>18976985
You can still install old moongate data archive.

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>>18976989
Would it not be possible to host an elona server so we can get multiplayer back again? Shouldn't really cost that much.

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>>18977005
ask jdstroy on Irc if you want to handle the cost or set up some crowdfunding attempt, i think he was related to last attempt to setup something like that.
however i dont think there is an alternative server present that supports moongates, original one has not been shared by Noa.

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>>18977017
I used to run a server for $10 a month and I'm pretty sure that it could handle the traffic and data required to run an elona server. No idea why there'd need to be a crowdfunding attempt.

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>>18972721
buy a full usb keyboard for like 10 bucks on amazon is the best advice i can give you.

unless youre a macfag and dont have usb ports

[Anonymous No.]

>>18976747
Tested it myself with debug save.

20mil hp char
250 bleeding(lv15 living weapon)
drained 8 mil hp in ~500 turns or so without cure bleeding.
700k hp in ~1k turns with cure bleeding.
my conclusion is that you can use up to 3 capped living weapons safely without the need to pay attention much. even mediocre healing spells from AP tactical heal are able to easily mitigate this as long as you have cure bleeding.

I guess it makes pets with cCureBleeding bit more appealing, especially if it stacks with equipment attribute(dont know this part)

Important point is that all static maps will be filled with blood as the result.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18977091
actually you can buy very cheap separate numpad for both pc and mac.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18976682
After crafting a few more staves and getting somewhat similar bonuses, my conclusion is that spellpower/casting skill bonuses are inherent bonuses of stave class and can be applied randomly on top. In this case, living weapon was generated with rock throwing alone.

[Anonymous No.]

I picked up a dead lion.
Where's the best place to lay this poor creature to rest?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18977494
2 options
palmia
party time in palmia
chose wisely.

[Anonymous No.]

I read somewhere you can bash trees for fruit but every time I try I bash the air. Am I doing something wrong?

Also is it worth playing on easy mode if you don't want to spend hours grinding or does that kill the experience?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18977614
The three needs to have visible fruit in it.

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>>18977510
I went for option 3.
It wasn't good enough.

[Anonymous No.]

How do people generally make their mutants? Just a bunch of Hand and Arm slots?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18977845
Maximum feet without speed penalty, lots of SLB, set the world record marathon pace.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18977733
>hmmm, should have gone with a)

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone tell me where to edit a character's backstory in Elosnack?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978188
Nope, but you can chance it at the oblivion palace.

[Anonymous No.]

I never know how to progress any further once I've got a full set of artifact gear upgraded to dragon scale/adamantium. Where do I go from here?

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>>18978371
Artifact fusion'd to perfection? Equipped all your pets too? Then, 2k everything, filled deck, all special items, etc.
With a discarded ranch you could also make the entire world (or at least all unique npcs) your harem. World's your oyster.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Neko-kami like these mega-nopes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978409
I'm not looking to 100% the game just yet, I've never even completed act II.
Last character I was stuck progressing through Rehmido before a speed invoke living crossbow dropped so I jumped to a new character to make use of it and now I'm here again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978439
>speed invoke living crossbow
why would you make a char to weild something this shitty?

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>>18978475
Because he can just switch to any other marksman weapon when it drops?

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>>18978439
Oh right.
Get a herb farm up and running for the attribute gains, grind offensive stats in the void, spend AP wisely (the barrier trait is fantastic if you have excess MP and speed is something you want capped). You might want to hunt for little sisters to raise life/mana, too.
If there's a particular part of the story you're stuck on then sharing might help.

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>>18978484
hunt for big daddies, save sisters, not hunt for little sisters. Killing little sisters is its one of the very few ways to permanently gimp your save.

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>>18978424
Google says they're delicious.

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>>18978499
That is what I meant, I guess I worded it poorly.

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>>18978424
Scut! Never knew headcrabs had exact-looking real-life counterpart.

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>>18978475
It's been great so far, enabled me to almost completely skip over the early-game grind. Plus >>18978480

>>18978484
Ah okay, I've never purchased the void license, that sounds like a plan. Thanks.
Is there any way to boost my hit chance apart from changing the weapon material? My damage is fine but some enemies I don't stand a chance against unless they're close enough for Zero shoot since its hit chance seems way higher.

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>>18978510
crits always hit. zero shoot always critsm archer class has better hitrate. raise your weapon skill, raise dex stat/use hero buff, just kill quicklings\bells\bats with water bolt instead of wasting time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978510
Dexterity, weapon skill, and I think weapon enchantment. Weapon enchantment raises damage at the very least, so you should raise it anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978544
>>18978548
I see, I couldn't find any resource that explained what the weapon skills did so that makes sense. I've made sure to keep its potential high, anyway.
Sounds like some time in the void will solve my problems.

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>>18978553
>I couldn't find any resource that explained what the weapon skills did
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Special_action_(Elona%2B)
>Always scores a critical hit and doubles normal attack power. Does not proc any added damage or consume/use special ammo. While it only works in melee range, the ranged weapon always ignores it's normal damage reduction at that range.

I mean, wiki is pretty much the only source of info for Elona on the net, aside from limited OP paste, how could you not 'find' it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978591
That's an page on special actions, some of which are granted by leveling weapon skills, but not of weapon skills themselves.

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>>18978591
The wiki is not always intuitively organised. It needs work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978610
> It needs work.
Its a wiki. If you think like that, do that "work". I personally find it intuitive enough.

>>18978600
What do you mean "weapon skills themselves"?

http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Marksman
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Crossbow

Special actions page describes pretty much all active skills including most gauge attacks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978632
Those pages say nothing about proficiency skills increasing your chance to hit with the corresponding weapon. They don't make a single mention of their effect.

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>>18978632
I've started updating the wiki whenever I find something missing or wrong that I now how to correct. Example, I added the page for Arasiel's quest when I found it missing. However, I don't know exact information about how hit chance is calculated, and I haven't been able to find it after searching on the wiki so far, so I can't update that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978646
They do say that it increases damage multiplier at the very least, and its the main reason to increase weapo proficiency.
>>18978672
Most of the factual info is gotten from debug save(elosnack'ed/cheat engine'd) or eating spaghetti from the source code.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978672
Okay, to end with this crap i decided to get the data myself. My PC is firearm-based either way.

>Firearm 2k, all other skills/stat at 1
damage bonus +68x25
hit 2748%
>Marksman 2k, all other skills/stat at 1
damabe bonus +68x100.5
hit 83%
>Perception 2k, rest at 1
damage +67x25.5
hit 83%
>Dextrity 2k, rest at 1
damage +1x25.5
hit 583%
>Willpower 2k, rest at 1
damage +201x0.5
hit 83%
>STR 2k
damage +67x05
hit 83%

>Base - all skills and stats 1, level 1
damage +1x05
hit 83%

Had no idea WIL/STR adds flat damage bonus as well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978952
>Throwing

>Throwing 2k
D +0x18.4
H 2748%
>Tactics 2k
D +0x89.5
H 83%
>STR 2k
D +66x45
H 83%
>DEX 2k
D x0,6
H 583%
>PER 2k
D +66x0.6
H 83%
>WIL 2k
D +200x0.6
H 83%

rest of the stats and marksman skill have no effect

[Anonymous No.]

>>18978952
>Had no idea WIL/STR adds flat damage bonus as well.
That's news to me as well, wtf? Strength makes sense, but willpower?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979002
>>18978952
Seems like i fucked up somewhere with stats not being reset to 1 for firearms. welp.
Re-did the shit with double-checking current stats.

base +1x05 83%

>Thrown 2k all
+332x151.7 3248%
Firearm 2k all
+333x175.5 3248%

>Firearm
>firearm2k
x25.5 2748%
>marksman2k
x100.5
>STR
+67
>DEX
x25.5 583%
>PER
+67x25.5
>WIL
+201

Thrown is correct.
Seems like thrown is vastly superior with stone throwing staves, with an exception of inner god Mani's weapon, which is a piece of pure ownage. I wanna kill Mani asap.

Uncontroll have greater benefits for thrown damage.
>Under Uncontroll effect:
>Thrown
+302x174 3002%
>Firearm
+302x175.9 3002%

And because i can.

>Everything maxed out, All buffs at max power + uncontroll + clear mind
>Thrown
+739x214 3455%
>Firearm
+766x239.4 3455%
>Unarmed
2d280+798x218 6315% (fuck you Ano and fuck your MA boosts)
>Twohand with 6s weapon
+752x381.9 5493%
>Twohand with 200s
+811x348.5 5743%
>DW
+740x214.6 3470%
>DW with max crit multiplier weight (200s weapon in both hands)
+811x214 2984%

I'm surprised you can completely ignore weapon weight penalty if your DW skill is high enough (you can even boost it further with feat)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979240
Actually if you think about it, MA is barely on-par with the rest of the melee skills now with extra attack nerfs. It has higher base damage but multiplier is on the level of DW+it doesnt benefit from 100% penetration and invokes.
Good job with nerfs, Ano.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979240
Twohand with 200s has the same damage multiplier as with 6s weapon, I probably lost uncontroll status or some other buff while testing.

Thats it from me for now.
Will be glad if someone could convert it to some useful info for wiki or paste.
Out.

[Anonymous No.]

What is a "Proximity Assist" weapon? Does that mean if you fire that it can give you a second attack?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979622
Proximity assist = chance of invoking free extra attack that inflicts debuff, melee range only
Interlocking shooting mechanism = see above, ranged only

It's always good to have these on some of you and your pets' gear, the attacks hit really hard and are free damage

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979678
>ranged only
not only. ISM works with all weapons, however it applies DV debuff, while PAW applies PV debuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979865
Ranged as in the enemy is more than one tile away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979869
ISM works with both melee and ranged.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979899
I does almost no damage on melee compared to range though

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979899
Can you read? Ranged not as in weapon type, but ranged as in ISM will only proc from when attacking from more than one tile away.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979912
It procs at any range, can you fucking read, there is no such limitation as "'more than one tile away" in the code. Only PAW has range limitation.
Damage with ISM is usually lower for melee because it uses Marksman skill instead of Tactics to scale damage. If you have equal Tactics and Marksman levels it will deal damage exactly equal to PAW.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979963
If you've actually checked the code, I'll concede I was wrong and must have never seen it activate in 1-tile range by coincidence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979993
if ( inv(40 + cnt * 2, cw2) == 0 ) {
break
}
enc = inv(40 + cnt * 2, cw2)
if ( dist(cdata(1, cc), cdata(2, cc), cdata(1, tc), cdata(2, tc)) <= 1 ) {
if ( enc == 66 ) {
cdata(405, cc) = 1
shootp = inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, cw2)
break
}
}
if ( enc == 65 ) {
cdata(405, cc) = 2
shootp = inv(40 + cnt * 2 + 1, cw2)
break
}

Trigger for
enc == 66 = PAW, is in [IF] block that checks range
enc = 65 = ISM, no check at all.
Each equipment piece with this enchantment has 10% chance to proc on each attack, and it can only happen once per attack.


Its discussesd with code dumps on montly basis here, i guess.
I guess we need /technical paste for this shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980023
My mistake. I'd better make less assumptions based on conjecture even if it seems like it'd make sense.

[Anonymous No.]

So I tried to initiate forced sleep sharing with a pet that's only at amiable status and it said that I squeezed her to bed, but then didn't proceed into the sleep sharing procedure. Is there something else I have to do to make that work? It doesn't say in the wiki if there are any specific requirements.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980175
Its a rape. Normally, when you rape people, you force them into submission first unless you are way more powerful than the victim and can ignore victim's struggling.
In gameplay terminology, you need to either have much more STR or have to knockout target first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980195
Do the STR req change if the relationship level is at fellow or higher?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980517
No, if you are lovers or friends you can have sex as friends or lovers. Knockout her if you still want to play-pretend. you monster
Just use hero and uncontroll to roleplay sex-crazed antihero.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980532
Does it still counts as forced-sex? or does it became normal sex?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm over level 100 now and I've still only ever used spells for utility and buffs. How much am I missing out on by not using magic to attack?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980634
I'd use water spells to attack cMetal ranged targets. You miss nothing, magic is just one of the possible tools.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980626
Cant you just try? Or are you aftraid that your first sex in Elona wont be a proper rape?

[Anonymous No.]

What's a good cargo route?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980678
The one filled with storage houses

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980890
How much stock can you get from merchants either way? i can craft something like 100 pianos monthly since 3rd month of a game but traders can buy 1-2 only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980890
I've always wondered about that.
Surely if you have the money to build a road of storage houses the money you would make off trading would be mere pennies comparatively?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980936
you still need to travel between towns for job board quests and traders

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

So, I heard there was going to be a thing called Elona Mobile. But original dev isn't the one developing but rather some Chinese company who asked to use his IP since it was free for use as long as you contact Noa.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcvXkbRgr5Y

[Anonymous No.]

>>18976989
Which archive?

>>18978188
You should be able to find something on the wiki. The values are in a pastebin in OP's guide.

>>18980925
Their money refreshes every day so you should be able to sell plenty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18981660
30k gold is literally nothing, its not even a spare change. make it 300k and it may be worth my time beyond 1st hour of the game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18981601
Wasn't the origial dev making Elin or did he abandon it ? Kind like Elona but better looking. There's videos on youtube and shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18981660
its in the dropbox with updated to 1.77 mods from one of the recent threads.
>>18981820
His partner-artist of this project passed away, apparently. But its on the level of hearsay for me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18980925
If you keep trading with them, their shop rank increases and they carry more goods and gold. I got a trader up to rank 223 and she carries 106k gold.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982107
do they downgrade later?
somehow i've been playing elona since 1.09 or something yet never really traded carge after first few levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982170
Also, can i just sell my crafted cargo without buying? or buy their cargo and trade and back and forth for nego exp and trader leveling?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982170
They don't lose shop rank over time if that's what you mean.
>>18982193
I've never tested that. Although the wiki suggests repeated buying and selling with the same trader without leaving them time to restock doesn't raise their rank after the first trade.

[Anonymous No.]

Autists who try to "optimize" playthroughs, do you measure the speed of a run by real time or turns spent? If the former, doesn't the game just devolve into riding a snail most of the time for rapid herb/potential/platinum gain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18981820
Elin is sort of a 2d character in a retro 3d world or vice versa that sort of plays like a crossover between Rune Factory, Zelda, while having the absurdity of Elona blended into it to create some strange form of abomination that may either be fun or weird.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982552
Why ride a snail when you can simply wear fetter of earth until very late game.
And it saves both turns and real time spent, literally place warehouse next to lumeiest and go back and forth, preferrably with rain ether disease.
Either way only real time matters after act1.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982713
Snail, fetter, same thing. I like speedrunning other games but the dominant speedrun strategy in Elona seems too simple and obvious to be fun. I'm probably better off treating it as a sandbox game.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982799
It is a sandbox game in the first place. Dont remember anyone actually bragging about cleartime for the game, aside from vanilla times where it made some sense.
Its a sandbox to the extent that I spent at most 20 hours out of 180hrs of the current save to progress my PC, rest is spent to fiddle/customize pets and fuck around. On previous save i've spent like 40 hrs to design my house and surroundings. Or grind the void to play it like nethack.
Among the recent posters i think only Kai does something akin to speedrun, but its still not it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982799
>>18982858
A no rules speedrun would probably involve genes, like the one listed in the pastebin. The guy doing that one is pretty bad though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982921
Genes? Playtime of parent is added when you start from a gene.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982932
Would be good for a turncount speedrun, or if someone only cared about current character's playtime only.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982943
Meh speedrunners are always borderline decieving themselves from my point of view. Whats the point of rushing the game if you use exploits to progress.
Normal speedrun will most likely involve undead/nukes, i think.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979262
The extra attack nerf didn't do too much to MA from what I've seen. Still does amazing damage and attribute just furthers solidifies its damage output.

>>18982552
Well I tend to optimize some things but don't really mind not to optimizing other things. When I measure my playthrough I measure it in real time since my character isn't a gene. If it were then turns spent. There's things I like to have done by certain time intervals. I know if I'm doing better than my last run if I'm accomplishing things at an earlier time. If gene character your time doesn't reset so turn count is probably a more accurate indicator if you're doing better than your previous best.

Optimize could mean a lot of things to different people. Like for me I want to optimize my character concept, the pets I've chosen to raise, and later on my house. Really far away from that though considering that's my house. >>18976788. Time is actually the lowest thing for me in what I want to optimize but I'm still using it as an indicator for progress. Still want to add necromancy to my build but I just don't know when I want to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982971
> Still does amazing damage
Yeah but now it should be roughly on-par(or worse) with 4 extra attack styles/DW with maxed crit damage and 100% pierce. Its only pure math, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982858
I associate roguelikes with (turncount) speedrunning because with older roguelikes it was baked into the game via hunger. If you take too long, you starve and die, so you do thinigs as fast as possible. On the other hand I've already been sandboxing Elona for a while and was wondering if speedrunning in the traditional RL style could possibly be a fun or interesting alternative approach to take. The answer seems to be "no" because the game was not really balanced for it.

What confuses me is why people ask all these powergaming questions like how to maximize ranch value when the answer is "it doesn't matter, just spam 464646 for more stuff".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983021
>why
Because its hard to understand how things work when there is so much depth in almost every single element of the game. Ranching alone is a mini-game with a ton of strategies and many interesting ways to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18982995
Well MA beats two hand because from what I've seen those 4 extra attacks combined with the elemental damage of attribute still is damage two hand is not doing considering two hand is limited to 4.

Considering non mutant dual wield, they were having a hell of a time catching up to magic, two hand, and MA in damage. Problem with dual wield is they really need those extra attacks to make up for the lack of damage they do. They don't have high damage dice of MA and don't have the extra crit modifier of two hand. So enter the mutant dual wield which should have solved that problem by sheer addition of attacks but then the >50 attacks damage nerf hit which really makes me wonder how they're doing now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983074
As i said, its purely from math standpoint.
MA
235k base damage per attack with 75%(?) pen
TH
347k with 100% pen
DW
180k 100% pen

You can use 3x crit multiplier weapons with DW too, if you can handle slightly lower hitrate - its not really crippling. You can use lv15 living weapons if you dont mind uneuipping them for multi-turn actions, should be on-par with maxed out attribute at least, and invokes/other useful effects as a bonus on procs.
Mutant is pretty amazing with DW+shield\tonfa build even with 3 hands, it snowballs from here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983120
What's stopping MA from getting 100% penetration?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983128
Hard cap, what else? You can only get 100% with 5k vorpal enchantment, close to impossible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983120
Not sure I follow. What were you hitting to generate those numbers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983120
Well that's good to hear about the mutants then. Might be other factors you're not accounting for in your math if you're concluding that MA should be worse or on par with dual wield. At least in the case for non mutants. No idea about mutants. Mainly because my own experience says otherwise deep in the void. Problem with invokes is they're not consistent in going off. So by turn 5 if you were having a damage race both MA and two hand would win out. Also correct me if I'm wrong but invoke strength is based on enchant strength? Problem I see with that is that the enchant limits kinda put a lower ceiling on its damage potential while it's possible for the, "it deals magic damage" enchants to keep increasing in damage if your character just keeps getting stronger and buffs are stacked. A higher ceiling if you will on that.

[Anonymous No.]

New to the game and trying to discover the most by myself but how do I unfuck this, the church won't help me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983425
The church isn't there to forgive you for your potentials. It's there to forgive you for your sins. Seek ways to increase your potential. Read the pastebin or stumble upon how to increase it on your own.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983425
If you'e suffering from attributes being red seek a healer NPC to restore them. If you're seeking something for your potentials other anon is probably right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983227
Base physical damage on character sheet. for char with maxed out everything and full stat buffs, >>18979240

[Anonymous No.]

>>18983340
DW is all about procs, and having 6-8 attacks with 15% chance of, say, casting lightning bolt or some ball spell should be consistent enough. Slightly lower base damage could be compensated with 100% penetration and the fact that its 2x4 extra attacks instead of 8x for crit penalty. It also has builtin extra attack bonus, so you can focus on other equipment attributes.Its difficult to estimate damage without actual weapons on hand and i dont want to research how to make hacked weapons for testing just for that.
Main point is that its possible to use 2x heavy 3x crit weapons. without this DW is useless for non-mutants.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the next step of progression for a wizard?
I have a lot of spells, I have good pets, I have a ton of miscellaneous scrolls, rods, and potions for just about any situation, and I have most the skills unlocked.

but I'm not actually being a wizard.
instead I'm using a repeating glass crossbow and pets to do everything. staying light equip to be able to cast spells I never try to cast.

how do I go from preparation to being a wizard

[Anonymous No.]

>>18984734
Go to the guy who identifies your stuff and train your spells with platinum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18984734
Actually casting the spells that you have seems like a good start, no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18984760
I guess that makes sense.
I passed over that option thinking it was a trap because I could just cast the spells to level them up, but I'm never casting the spells because they're weak.

>>18984866
They aren't really cutting it right now. Even the best spells I have right now can only be considered mediocre with a 75-85% chance.
I mean, I could just rely on my pets and start casting ineffective magic instead of shooting stuff with the crossbow for a while. As long as I don't try anything crazy it shouldn't be a problem.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18985014
Just spam magic dart on everything visible. It'll last you all the way through act I or at least until you want to pick up ball spells.
You'll get to be a wizard, train your magic dart (which increases the damage) and improve your casting skill so that you can cast fancier spells.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18985014
You don't need a target to train ball spells, you can just stand in a corner somewhere and spam them until the potentials get low. You can also do this with bolt spells by manually targeting the ground but that's a pain in the ass.
Reminder to sleep as often as you can and in a high quality bed to regain spell potential.

[Anonymous No.]

Seth, is your hooch that bad or your stash that hidden? Either way, you got some splainin to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18985250
Wrong guy, just a similar name. SETHandla and SAZIdath

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18985344
THAT'S A SPICY MEATBALL

[Anonymous No.]

>>18985300
Not the character name of Kai; ,ot in the threads I've read recently; 0 Google search results; Bing results return only the arabic for "m'lady"
Have I missed an epic tale?

SAZI I demand your secrets!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18985650
What?

[Anonymous No.]

Why does the scroll of oracle sell for relatively so much? I didn't think the function was that useful to justify the cost. Am I just missing something with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18985771
No. Most things aren't priced according to how useful they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18985655
You said that Sethandla the impossible drunk was not some other guy I'd never heard of, Sazidath, and I was asking what this other guy's story was since it wasn't on Google.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18986233
Look more closely at the images you posted. There are two different NPCs. They're not unique NPCs either, so there's nothing for google to find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18986233
Yeah that was me. And it's exactly what >>18986248 said. It's just a random name given to the npc, it's quite common and actual named npcs usually have markings to denote they're unique.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18986287
I finally get it. I skipped over that second name so many times, I just assumed I was out of the loop of some legendary tale.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18985771
It is used to locate unique artifacts. in fact its worth the money.

[Anonymous No.]

Wizard's harvest is surprisingly useful, althrought endless cast time is slightly annoying.

Its time to make 3x living weapons for Memorization boost earlier for this. I previously thought it would only be worth it only for Wish.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this on /jp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18987845
To avoid all the autistic retards on /vg/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18987845
Because its a slow board, and game is mildly relevant.

[Anonymous No.]

Now I wonder how popular is this game on japan. I know its more than here, considering fan-based stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18987915
Judging by pixiv/modder activity, its been one of the more popular games back in vanilla times, now its slowly getting forgotten.

[Anonymous No.]

If you place a shelter down in a dungeon,
is there any way of reclaiming it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18987933
Just pick it up with num-0, as usual.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18987930
It needs an update to add better visuals. Instead of reworking all sprites like another anon mentioned, giving better portraits, or full-body images of the main characters should bring in more players.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18979240
Somehow Clear Mind buff had 400+ turn duration on maxed char. Anyone knows how it scales?
I couldnt find anything in source - it only shows base duration 10 turns.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18987961
Game has been abandoned for like 6 years already, only one modder is still working on Plus.
There is a shitton of different portrait sets available.
Distributing full-body images would need someone with good drawing skills.

[Anonymous No.]

How should I level my ranged living weapon? First time playing and I got a living machine gun and about to finish up act 1. Im running as a gunner and dunno if pure range is gonna beat zeome.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18988289
>selfheal
2 nether damage 7 magic damage
>maxed damage
9 magic damage
>if you have dragon child or other pet with Megid Flame skill.
9 lightning damage

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a Elosnack list of Elona+ monsters? I just want to edit in a Fire Dragon Child monster ball, I am tired of searching through this damn cave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18988485
just search source.hsp file

[Anonymous No.]

>>18988525

Where is that file

[Anonymous No.]

>>18988548
game folder.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18988561

I don't see a source.hsp file in the game folder, and I couldn't find any file named "source" in any of the folders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18988630
Ah. Its distributed with Custom mod.
dragon child id is 450

[Anonymous No.]

>>18988385
What do you mean by selfheal?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18988950
nether attribute = lifesteal

[Anonymous No.]

>>18988990
Does it heal enough to use instead of just using regen and cure of jure?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18989062
Later on enemies will get high innate resistance vs nether, so it wont be much, But it should heal more than regen spell at least, especially later, when regen cant keep up with max hp growth.
Somewhat useful if you are silenced.

[Anonymous No.]

what's a fun class/playstyle? My first and only so far consisted mainly of spamming f and hoping I don't get one shot by magic.
Any recommendations for something that's a bit more engaging?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18989204
Get up close to the bad guy and walk into it until it dies

[Anonymous No.]

>>18989204
Play a farmer, go to Yowyn and live an honest life working on other people's farms until you can buy your own.
As you grow stronger through good manual work, and increase your gardening skills you can buy your own plot of land through which you can make even more money.

Eventually you can settle down with a wife and live the rest of your life in bliss, as you grow old together and remember that you reached your place with honest work, without killing thousands and diving through disease infested dungeons.

Remember to worship Kumiromi, blessed be his name.

At some point as long as you keep following this you can also go out and start playing the rest of the game, since you should be rich and strong enough to easy handle the main quest so you further expand your farming business through Statue of Kumiromi you get in Act 2.
After that, the sky's the limit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18989204
>what's a fun class/playstyle?
Ride a bike
Fight only by running over enemies with hyper dash skill.
You may use shadow step to teleport to enemies when needed. Use buffs and equip a shield.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18989337
You can also BE a bike. Its not any worse. Preferrably do that when your riding partner can cheer on you.

[Anonymous No.]

How much faith do you need in Elona+ to get a 2nd god pet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18989367
every 10 faith.
read wiki for this stuff. its pointless to ask/answer questions already covered by wiki
http://elona.wikia.com/wiki/Gods

[Anonymous No.]

Someone link me his graphic mod list for a optimal expérience.

Plss whatever I try don t mix well with the rest

[Anonymous No.]

>>18989729
His?

[Anonymous No.]

Got kind of curious about exp for kill mechanics, so here we go:

EXP for kill in Elona+ 1.75

>basic fornula for exp gain
>exp is capped at target's level 400, it doesnt increase above that point.
>at level 400, you get 6400008 exp
exp@m149 = limit(cdata(38, dmghp_arg1), 1, 400) * limit(cdata(38, dmghp_arg1) + 1, 1, 400) * limit(cdata(38, dmghp_arg1) + 2, 1, 400) / 10 + 8
exp@m149 = limit(MOB LEVEL, 1, 400) * limit(MOB LEVEL+ 1, 1, 400) * limit(MOB LEVEL + 2, 1, 400) / 10 + 8
>target's level below player level, exp gain is divided by 100
if ( killer = player ) {
if (MOB LEVEL < PLAYER LEVEL) {
exp@m149 *= 1 / 100
}
}
>bonus exp when target's level is higher than player level, capped at 10x when target's level 5 times higher than player
>subsequently, maximum possible exp per kill is 64 mil
if ( killer = player ) {
if ( MOB LEVEL > PLAYER LEVEL) {
exp@m149 *= limit(MOB LEVEL * 2 / PLAYER LEVEL, 1, 10)
}
}
>dunno, probably cbit for summonned crap
if ( cbit(23, dmghp_arg1) | cbit(27, dmghp_arg1) ) {
exp@m149 = 0
}

player's current exp += exp@m149

Pets do not get bonus/penalty for level difference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18989842
So this is why I am leveling several times as fast as my pets in the void

[Anonymous No.]

>>18989738

Yours.

[Anonymous No.]

Are multiple arm mutants any good?
I got a character to Gavela about two years ago but stopped playing afterwards.
Have there been any changes for them?

[Anonymous No.]

How to use my custom portrait for my pet? i already change her apperance portrait but when i'm talking to her it just become blank like this? normal portrait is fine though

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990061
The portrait not showing up is a bug that was introduced in version 1.76. According to the patch notes it should be fixed in 1.77. However if you are using E custom for the translation you'll have to wait until that updates to 1.77 before updating both custom and E+.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990044
They are good if you go for martial arts or twohand.
multiattacks got nerfed hard - you get reduced critchance with each attack, enemy gains damage resistance when its hit more than 50 times during it's 1 turn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990083
I meant hand, but martial arts and two handed does involve arms for a bunch of gauntlets, right?

I'll probably just play a normal character then, the whole appeal of multi hand mutant is using a bunch of different weapons.
Sad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990135
Well it still works, but if you want to savescum you are fucked. My(semi-abandoned) 12h mutant works well. 6h+ mutants are still damage gods in E+.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990080
Thank, just try 1.77 and its fine again

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990155
I savescummed all the way, I have multiple saves, one at Gavela, one at 4 hands, and then three more during while rolling limbs at Gavela.
And I wouldn't play on the latest patch until I got to level 30 anyway.

I wish you could wield lots of guns or bows in this game instead of just melee weapons, because I hate melee in this game. As long as it had a similar system with tabbing like DCSS then I would instantly play mutant gain even if the damage sucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990242
just equip claws for damage boost on your gun or something.
why hate melee when shadow step is easy to get and use?

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry but how to change my font?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990283
Config.txt

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

Das a nice helm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990834
>lvl 54
>those stats
Anon you really need to herb it up

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990859

I really need to cure my mutations to be honest.

[Anonymous No.]

inventory is so messy when you have a bunch of utility-focused living weapons

[Anonymous No.]

>>18990907

Why does that look so different? Is that Elona Custom or something?

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>>18990907
So I ended up making a couple of custom item plans/sprites to match my current save's setting.
>>18990915
Just a visual mod for UI, Meiryo UI font and custom sprites. Elona Custom doesnt change the looks.

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What the hell, my CHR just went to 1.

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nice OP image for a change

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>>18983425
Drink potions of potential, sleep in a good bed or eat picnic baskets to fix your potential.

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Do pets use special ammo?

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>>18991676
Some enemies like grudge can lower your stats. Drink a restore body potion or visit a healer.

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>>18991891
You can direct them to use special ammo with a command flag or the direct ability.

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So these are my pets so far. My Fairy Archer is definitely preforming much better than I thought. The Dragon was level 15 when I recruited her, at level 8.

Figured I would just go ahead and buy the Evolution Heart, since I had the Machine/Magic one from killing those Fort guys, so I am going to be evolving the dragon guy.

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>>18992119

I guess he doesn't like me enough yet. Somehow.

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What does "It combine fire and cold spells" do?

The wiki doesn't seem to know.

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I just download some mod and there are some sprites with blue background in it, how to change the background to black?

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>>18992216
If you use a fire spell it deals additional cold damage and vice versa

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>>18992236

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Is dual wielding sickles a bad idea? I thought it would be fun for crazy decapitation shenanigans.

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>>18992975
its pretty meh. decapitation only works vs targets at very low hp, may as well finish normally. lack of penetration will make them useless unless you debuff enemy with mist of frailness or stack vorpal attack bonus. they are also normally heavy, but it can be solved.

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>>18992975

You can make anything work if your character is strong enough, or a Mutant.

Unfortunately Decapitation isn't that good of an ability, since its threshold to even activate is low, and then you have to actually trigger the ability on top of that.

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>>18993761

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>>18993802
five DEAD god lol

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why is act 3 so boring
I keep starting new game after killing Meshera

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The ally mechanic in this game is a trap. Every cute girl I add to my group the more complicated simple dungeon crawling becomes.

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>>18994187
pedo

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>>18994251
It's not my fault that all the most visibly appealing sprites are little girls. I don't want a bunch of monsters and robots following me around.

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>>18994424
>It's not my fault that all the most visibly appealing sprites to me are little girls.
But precisely that part is what makes you a pedo. Accept it. Embrace it.

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>>18994799
I refuse. I may marry them for the CCorr pots, and they may take turns sexually assaulting me in my sleep, but my will shall not falter.

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>>18994866
dont forget to rub then in important places during battle, purely to get powerful buff and for nothing else.

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>>18994956
I have to clear multiple sleep-sharing events every night, make piles of parfaits to feed them, rub so many girls while dungeon crawling. This is exactly why I think having a big party actually makes the game harder.

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>>18995045
Sound like an entirety of plot of one of those isekai porn web novels.
Work hard, and try to dont get into hell layer designated to lowest of the degenerates too early.

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>>18994186
Because it's unfinished like everything ano made

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>>18995239
>like everything ano made
dont go full retard
act2 is finished, act3 in development.

If anything, vanilla had a crapton of unfinished features and Ano resolved quite a few of those. Plus has a few badly utilized frameworks with low priority stuff like evochat/town voting, but they still have some uses. And a whole mountain of complete features.

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Do special artifacts no longer have a chance to roll with extra effects?

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>>18995725
Only when licked by black cat.

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Another raplecement for techno-themed utility living weapon, for casting skill boost.
Dont think there is any need for other types of utility boosts, aside from cooking/memorization and casting(basically for wish alone).

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Just yesterday installed Elona. Started as a thief.
So... You really need to wait 4 months to join thieves guild or there is some better option?

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>>18995816
Options are:
>dont join thieves guild ever, least useful guild
>wait 4 months and nuke palmia while you are at it

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>>18995816
Just brute force it, kill/teleport the guild master and get what you need with incognito or a disguise kit.

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I actually kind of miss the tiny dragonkid sprite now.

>>18995816

If all you want is the training, then do what >>18996050 said. It is significantly less of a karma penalty too.

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No time to celebrate just yet though. I really want that boost action.

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I love <Super Lure>, I thought I got fucked a few versions back when stamina gains through drain blood got nerfed, but it's still excellent.
Is there anything that can make money as easily as fishin' 'n' cookin' and then selling the food in the shop?

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>>18996888
>Is there anything that can make money as easily as fishin' 'n' cookin' and then selling the food in the shop?
Selling handcrafted panty with the best material possible - transparent Ether.
Well you can make money with this only once you are sufficiently high level. Its doubtful you'll get expensive crafts at low level even with godlike luck.

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>>18996621
Different sprite for boost is kind of cool, but double size sprite really sucks. It hides other NPCs behind all too often.

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>>18997008
So basically just equip making ether panties?
I have no idea how this revamped crafting system works, but I guess you're supposed to duplicate the panties and then sell them?

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>>18997073
Yeah, find one panty, with one stardust you'll make 3 miracle/godly grade panties. New crafting consumes original item, so any quality will do.

Once you get to act 3 you could just go for ponzi sheme using Yacatect's piggibank and become billionaire.

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>>18997199
What's the use for Yacatect's bank?

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>>18997362
it increases stored sum every 2 months by 10% or something

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>>18995402
>evochat/town voting
yeah, new player here

what the FUCK is the actual utility of these two things? i get the voting to an extent, what with the werewolves in Palmia. But evochat seems pretty out there

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>>18998104
Evochat is an easy way to give gold to your pet before their pickpocket is high enough to be self sufficient.

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Can someone give me a rundown on DV and PV?
the wiki page for that shit is cryptic as fuck.

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>>18998237
Get both.

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>>18998237
>cryptic
I'll admit the PV table might not be straight forward, though.
X% + YdZ means the damage is reduced by X% and then YdZ is taken off .

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>>18998104
You mean aside from giving you ability to headpat/tease/lewd your pet with pet giving you a visual response?

You can give pocket money. Also If you get to 10 hearts pet will get bonus to mood til next sleep, apparently.
At first glance its a completely useless shit, but in fact its an interactive interface to pet emotion framework. "mental state' section of objet of heart is a part it as well, and its probably the initial version of pet mood framework.

>Added the ability to insert tags into custom NPC talk. Having a tag in a custom talk line will display the corresponding emoticon along with it. If the "atmosphere" evochat portraits are set [for that particular pet], then those will change with the line spoken as well. When a tag is used in an evochat line, then the corresponding emoticon for that tag will be displayed instead of the default for that evochat line.

{Basic} - clears emotes currently being displayed when this line is spoken.
{Embarrassment}　- displays the blush icon when this line is spoken.
{Fun} - displays the musical note icon when this line is spoken.
{Happy} - displays the heart icon when this line is spoken.
{Angry} - displays the angry icon when this line is spoken. Atmosphere portrait is the same as Basic.
{Question} - displays the ? icon when this line is spoken. Atmosphere portrait is the same as Basic.
To prevent confusion, status ailment icons can't be used.

Its main purpose is roleplay and framework to create more lively custom characters, and its a pretty big chunk of code at this point. Apparently Ano works on when he is in the mood for waifu simulation.

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>>18999223
It also adds current happinness to gauge base value. Not much, considering that cap for happiness is 10.

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How do I figure out what the hell I was doing when loading up a months-old save?

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>>18999740
Take notes or have a damn good memory.

Otherwise, hell if I know.

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Also, I kind of like the idea of picking Farmer class and doing harvest quests to train stats until you have the money to make your own farm, then using said farm to herb it up until fighting is easy as shit.

Any race in particular that lends well into that?

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>>18999839
I like goblin if only because they get more materials from dungeons. Golems have great health for a measly 25 speed cost, also dim resistance.

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Is there a way to make pets keep eating/drinking stuff?
for example I give my pet 2 potions, they drink 1 and never drink the second. is there a better way than giving them one at a time?

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>>19000160
Throw them if your throwing skill is high enough.

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>>18999942
Eh... I heard Speed is pretty important, though given the fact that you can train skills and stats, maybe starting attributes aren't important.

Still, I went with Yerles for that high starting Learning stat. Maybe I'm being stupid in doing that, I dunno.

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>>19000291
Low initial speed lowers your INI which means you can get AP and raise your speed faster. Besides, if you feel you're to slow by yourself you can get a ridablepet.

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>>19000291
Grab a couple speed boosting items, in a couple dozen hours in 25 speed won't be a big deal, having 50% more HP will still be. Otherwise ride a pet.

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Will violent garden stay useful later on? I haven't done too much with this game yet, but so far it seems incredibly powerful.

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Question. What's causing my character to run in one direction without me pressing any buttons? Can't use keyboard shortcuts and whenever I access my character, he runs northwest without me doing anything. Can't complete my quest with this going on.

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Huh, I forgot that citizens can randomly be foxes in disguise.