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DJT - Daily Japanese Thread !DJ8eBY9ldU Wed Apr 25 23:09:20 2018 No.18895226 [Reply] [Original]

This thread is for the discussion and learning of the Japanese language for people who want to consume untranslated otaku media.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the Guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
http://djtguide.neocities.org/
Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html

Previous thread(s): >>18883199

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:11:38 2018 No.18895246 Fuck, I put it in the wrong field.

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:13:29 2018 No.18895255 File: 318 KB, 638x424, Screenshot 2018-04-25 at 21.16.07.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18895226 Is Japanese Ammo the most based learning channel? >actual native speaker >QT gril >very good simple teaching like Tae Kim but less bad

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:13:51 2018 No.18895258 >>18895246 処刑する

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:15:37 2018 No.18895268 File: 587 KB, 882x904, no_bully_please.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18895258

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:19:18 2018 No.18895294 How to learn Japanese 1. Learn very few words 2. (Optional) Learn more words 3. Learn very basic grammar 4. (Optional) Learn more grammar 5. Read lots of eroge Congratulations you now know Japanese

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:20:32 2018 No.18895303 >>18895255 She's pretty good if you're a r*ddit 出来ない

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:20:54 2018 No.18895305 >>18895294 what about the kanji dude

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:21:38 2018 No.18895308 >>18895294 What about the kana dude

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:22:09 2018 No.18895312 Does anyone have have access to CoR? I want to replace or add another "Making sense of Japanese: What the textbooks don't tell you" pdf file in the CoR with this one: http://libgen.io/book/index.php?md5=6D09AEE8828FD6F10F4F838355957727..

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:22:38 2018 No.18895315 >>18895305 you learn those by reading >>18895308 implied by "learn very few words"

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:27:28 2018 No.18895343 So I just met this word: 出撃 Seriously, what the FUCK is a sortie?

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:29:06 2018 No.18895358 File: 72 KB, 661x620, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] important message to all flashcard users (subsあり) https://streamable.com/knnrw

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:31:03 2018 No.18895367 >>18895312 done

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:41:14 2018 No.18895459 >>18895367 どうもありがとう

>>	Anonymous Wed Apr 25 23:57:09 2018 No.18895552 File: 14 KB, 166x166, 1472099358280.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well lads, looks like I'm gonna make it. Took an N5 practice test and passed it

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 00:03:50 2018 No.18895595 well lads どうやらわたしはゲイらしい just sucked a ちんこ and it was 最高

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 00:09:20 2018 No.18895632 Are images broken for anyone else?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 00:10:59 2018 No.18895636 File: 229 KB, 877x489, 973e79e2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18895632 not loading or not uploading?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 00:11:34 2018 No.18895641 >>18895636 Not loading.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 00:17:15 2018 No.18895672 >>18895226 >No title >No thread number >Trip Why?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 00:19:11 2018 No.18895682 who gives a fuck learn nihongo

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 00:25:47 2018 No.18895708 >>18895641 are you using some weird ass dns like googles or something

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 00:27:28 2018 No.18895720 >Japanese actually has sentence enhancers like that fucking Spongebob joke

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 00:43:39 2018 No.18895803 >>18895343 HIT OUT

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 01:09:44 2018 No.18895949 >>18895636 I loved talesweaver. I was playing it on the japanese server last year. Are you playing it now? How is it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 01:33:07 2018 No.18896038 >>18895949 i've never played it, i just liked the picture looking it up, it appears korean, and that would be blasphemy no?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 02:01:37 2018 No.18896126 Seems like Amazon Japan fixed their international shipping

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 03:07:51 2018 No.18896296 おはようおにいちゃんおふろー

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 03:28:01 2018 No.18896352 >>18896296 あかん

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 03:54:59 2018 No.18896398 >>18896352 じゃあそとぶろー

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 03:57:52 2018 No.18896405 File: 353 KB, 1280x720, 87987.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18896398 こんなかんじ

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 04:08:07 2018 No.18896422 >>18896126 Do they actually just ship internationally? I've only ever bought stuff from the marketplace and private sellers almost never will.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 04:09:16 2018 No.18896424 >>18896405 それはろてん（露天風呂）そとぶろはおふろでも銭湯のことだよ

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 04:19:54 2018 No.18896455 >>18895552 Gratz, you're able to understand most basic sentence structure and learned 3 alphabets with up to 6 strokes per letter. Look forward to combined conjugation on different levels of politeness and 15+ stroke kanji

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 04:24:44 2018 No.18896459 おふろいこーおーふーろー

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 04:27:29 2018 No.18896461 File: 61 KB, 800x450, TeruhashiKokomi.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18896459 おっふ

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 04:48:34 2018 No.18896501 おはよう

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 04:57:21 2018 No.18896516 >>18896501 こんばんワックス脱毛

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:00:18 2018 No.18896855 おさきにごぶれいしました

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:02:30 2018 No.18896867 >>18896855 >Bumping the thread with pointless shit Let it die if it can't survive on its own merits.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:17:34 2018 No.18896932 >>18896867 なんでもきいてね

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:29:17 2018 No.18896977 >>18896932 >なんでも好きな漢字は

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:36:24 2018 No.18897019 >>18896977 器あのんのすきなたべものはなに？

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:51:47 2018 No.18897101 >>18897019 綿飴

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:53:22 2018 No.18897107 I want to learn Jap cause i am a dirty otaku but i was thinking if i learn chinese(which translate jap lns very quickly) wont i be able to enjoy best of 2 worlds? that is chinese and jap lns? which one should i learn anons

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:55:38 2018 No.18897114

>>18897107
Chinese is disgusting, chinese translations are disgusting, chinamen are also disgusting. The better plan is to lean Japanese and then utilize your knowledge of kanji to learn to read Chinese. Listening to Chinese is a form of torture anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:58:24 2018 No.18897129 >>18897114 i am just a bit afraid that learning jap will be so fucking slow cause there are like 4 vocabularies right? and everything can be read in many diferent ways

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 07:58:55 2018 No.18897132 >>18897101 コットン・・・キャンディー？つうじる？

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:01:15 2018 No.18897139 is duoling a good choice for japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:06:21 2018 No.18897167 >>18897132 バッチリ

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:12:45 2018 No.18897189

>>18897129
With 4 voabularies, japanese wpuld have only 4 words....
Japanese has 3 writing systems:
Hiragana, Katakana and Kanji.
Hiragana and Katakana are only characters for sounds, they have no deeper meaning. You can learn them in a few days. And kanji are the "real deal" (read: the chinese characters, that the japs adopted).
You will learn the different readings, if you actually read, you do not have to learn all readings (by rote)

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:16:05 2018 No.18897209 >>18897167 とってもからいの？

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:16:11 2018 No.18897212 >hey dude you JUST have to learn 2000 kanjis to be able to read hehehe yeah JUST 2000 its a small thing really xd

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:19:05 2018 No.18897225 >>18896422 They do, but it didn't work for the last few weeks

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:19:25 2018 No.18897226 >>18897209 ピリピリです

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:19:40 2018 No.18897227 >>18897212 It really is. If you're not a brainlet, you can learn 7 kanji per day with relative ease. Then it takes less than a year.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:21:41 2018 No.18897239 File: 56 KB, 645x729, t.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18897212 hundreds of millions of people were able to do that and more. why can't you?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:22:10 2018 No.18897242 >>18897139 No, it'll probably hurt your progress, because you'll have to unlearn the stuff you inferred wrongly, because they don't bother explaining grammar.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:22:53 2018 No.18897248 >>18897227 kanjis are too much alike also, remembering fucking 2000 kanjis when many of them look almost exactly the same looks hard >>18897239 they have been learning ever since they were born

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:24:21 2018 No.18897256 >>18897248 >also, remembering fucking 2000 kanjis when many of them look almost exactly the same looks hard when you read english above a certain speed, do you think you're looking at individual letters or the shape of the word as a picture?

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:27:32 2018 No.18897269

>>18897248
Kanji are not some scribbles. Well, they are, but almost all of them are composed of recurring components (some are counted as radicals, and some aren't). As you learn kanji, you'll memorise the components and will think about kanji in terms of these components, not in terms of individual strokes. This greatly simplifies working with them. Likewise, this removes the problem of them looking alike.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:28:31 2018 No.18897274 >>18897256 i know what words mean i know what a "wheel" is why?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:30:38 2018 No.18897290 >>18897274 because someone told you enough times to make you believe its definition just like 輪 is buried in my mind, mostly from 車輪

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:33:10 2018 No.18897302 >>18897290 i see how many kanjis can be learned per day in a feasible way

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:34:27 2018 No.18897310 >>18897274 ｗｈｅｅｌはｗｈｅａｔとはつおんがにてるよねｅｅｌともにてるよね

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:37:32 2018 No.18897322

>>18897302
I learned kanji through vocabulary, and in a year I learned ~3150 words with ~2100 unique kanji in them. Though I've been slacking quite a lot, a realistic number is 15 words per day and ~0.5 new kanji per word, giving ~7 kanji per day as I've written above. If you're a NEET you can go twice as fast.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:38:24 2018 No.18897330 >>18897310 >eel have more characters than wheel japanese truly the language of the enlighted

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:39:15 2018 No.18897333

>>18897302
>how many kanjis can be learned per day in a feasible way
i don't look at them much on an individual basis, I look at words which are usually are compound(two or more kanji) or with trailing kana like 美しい
So I learn the reading, the meaning and move on to the next word.
>>18897310
なんでやねん
>>18897330
鰻？

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:48:09 2018 No.18897373 >>18895255 her voice rapes my ears, but she does know her shit. Unlike the average native nijonjin she actually studied her own language and knows the grammatical terms/functions.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:50:33 2018 No.18897388

>>18895226
I love using animelon but it is down half the time, like right now I can browse it but videos don't play, and sometimes it is slow and lags.
Is there a way to set up the equivalent offline?
Some combination of media player and some tools or maybe plugins to:
Send subtitles into firefox or chrome (to yomichan when needed), sync the autoscroll of subtitles with the videofile, have players controls that rewind not by set time but the beginning of the sentence as indicated by subtitles timing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:57:31 2018 No.18897418 File: 129 KB, 1280x720, 日本語の森.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18895255 >Entire video is girl >Text in hard to see flamboyant subtitles She's like the twitch girl streamer of language learning.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 08:59:18 2018 No.18897423

>>18897302
I'm doing 15 words and 5 kanji per day, already have around 1300~ kanji and i started studying in july.

Yeah, i know kanjidamage sucks, but studying a kanji separately helps me consolidate it in my memory for some reason, and it's the best kanji deck i could find

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:01:47 2018 No.18897429 >>18897330 >>18897333 ぼいんがおなじでおなじピッチアクセントだと >〇い↑ー〇う↓ たまにまちがうｒとｌはくべつがない

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:07:45 2018 No.18897458 >>18897429 >ｒとｌは >くべつがないづとずはくべつある？

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:08:39 2018 No.18897465 >>18897423 I started in August, I have 4384 words and 1828 kanji in my Kanjigrid

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:12:25 2018 No.18897478 >>18897458 あたしのどいなかはあったりなかったりする >>18897465 あたしは４５０００くらいとかんじが１３００くらいかな

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:19:20 2018 No.18897502

Alright, got some questions about reading.
First of all, where? I can hadly find any raws, its either translations or some link to buy the stuff
Second, how? How should I go about it? Read a chapter a day or so, mine any word I don't know, and look up tae as soon as I dont get something? Or just try to understand the general context as much as possible?
Third, which? I'd like some advice about which manga to read, yotsuba is nice and all but I'd like an actual kind of interesting story. Furigana is fine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:21:09 2018 No.18897513 >>18897502 overlord

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:21:12 2018 No.18897514 >>18897502 Why don't you read the guide

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:21:35 2018 No.18897517 >>18897502 Read VNs instead of manga, unless you want to spend 95% of the time doing manual kanji lookups.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:22:29 2018 No.18897524 >>18897465 NEETじゃないけど、彼は現実的に毎日幾つ漢字を習えますかと聞きます

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:25:42 2018 No.18897543 ほんをかぞえましょうほんがいっさつほんがにさつほんが＿＿＿＿ポテチをかぞえましょうポテチが＿＿＿＿ポテチがにまいポテチがさんまいひとをかぞえましょうひとが＿＿＿ひとが＿＿＿ひとがさんにんさかなをかぞえましょうさかながいちおさかながにひきさかなが＿＿＿＿

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:28:51 2018 No.18897553 File: 49 KB, 1280x720, received_10216209266089372.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18897543 数えるのが嫌い

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:28:53 2018 No.18897555 >>18897514 >http://djtguide.neocities.org/ The guide is dead.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:31:47 2018 No.18897570 >>18897555 why tho

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:33:03 2018 No.18897574
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>>18897212
>>18897248
Stop making excuses
The first best time was to start learning a year ago
The second best time is today
I also thought 2000 words was a lot when i started almost a year ago, but since i stuck to it, im already almost done with my first VN
So stick to it and stop being a bitch

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:34:00 2018 No.18897577 >>18897574 how long did you take to be able to read lns with help of a dictionary

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:34:26 2018 No.18897580 >>18897553 ちゃんとかぞえられるようになってあのんならできるよ

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:36:12 2018 No.18897589 >>18897555 looks alive to me pal

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:36:47 2018 No.18897591

>>18897577
About 3-4 months to hit 2k words, after that you should be fine to start reading most things with a dictionary
Itll be slow and painful though
When i first started i was hitting about 50 lines in an hour
now about 3 months since then, i'm hitting 600 lines in an hour

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:38:31 2018 No.18897597 >>18897580 アーアノン君

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 09:43:41 2018 No.18897625 ここのＱ１－Ｑ５けっこうむずかしかった http://nandokukanji.jp/kanji/122/122639.htm つぎつぎにもんだいだしてくれるけどこういうのはあんきにならないよね

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 10:49:37 2018 No.18897946

Read every day, they say. What exactly should I attempt first? I only have a proper handle on the starting particles (in the Genki I order) so far and I don't think I have enough vocabulary to tackle a random CG set I found. Then again, said CG set uses only hiragana for some reason.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 10:55:08 2018 No.18897975 All those faggots who think they are above reading the guide, I swear

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:11:42 2018 No.18898068

>>18897946
Galge
>Character to character dialogue typically easy 1-2 liners
>MC/Narrators dialogues typically longer and has more flowerly language for more advanced practice
>Texthookers exist to make looking stuff up easy
>Background and CG provide a bit of extra context
>Can double up as listening practice if you look away from the textbox when it first appears
>Text log readily available so you can give people context when you ask a question

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:12:12 2018 No.18898071 >>18897543 さんさついちまいひとりふたり

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:14:16 2018 No.18898086

>>18897946
Start simple
Try to read this, in browser, with a help of yomichan or rikaikun or whatver.
走れメロス
https://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000035/files/1567_14913.html
In case you just can't understand some or other phrase - have english translation open next to it and read them in parallel, you can get the translation of that short story here:
https://archive.org/details/RunMelosOsamuDazai

And after that - anything. There are short stories by Osamu Dazai and other authors on aozora bunko and in DJT-Guide's 'Library' and you can find translations of them to follow along easily (for this particular writer)
Early on it can be good to have a completed translation open in another window in case some difficult phrase comes along.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:26:00 2018 No.18898154 >>18897543 みっさついっまいひとりさんぴきあたり？

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:27:05 2018 No.18898161 >>18898154 あ、ふたり忘れた

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:30:38 2018 No.18898179 Newfriend here, how long to learn Japanese if I', NEET?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:33:10 2018 No.18898194 >>18898179 If you go full autistic immersion (16 hours a day), then about a year or a year and a half until you can understand average difficulty written text without a dictionary.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:34:52 2018 No.18898202 File: 23 KB, 739x207, NOPE.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18898179

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:41:16 2018 No.18898236 >>18898179 considering you're a worthless piece of shit NEET you have a lot of things to worry about other than learning japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:43:05 2018 No.18898247 >>18898236 t. wagecuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:56:11 2018 No.18898307 >>18898202 出来ない r*ddit answer, please leave

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:58:02 2018 No.18898320 File: 358 KB, 720x546, Chitose_thinking.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18898307 I copy pasted this from the guide...

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:58:26 2018 No.18898322 File: 55 KB, 640x480, 1524636325449.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How's my handwriting?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 11:59:28 2018 No.18898325 >>18898320 The guide which was written by a 出来ない r*dditor. Don't ignore me, it's time for you to leave

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:01:26 2018 No.18898332 >>18898325 Why don't you correct it?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:01:44 2018 No.18898333 >>18898322 >私は竹工です I don't get it

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:04:08 2018 No.18898339 >>18898332 It's the r*dditors only personal site. No one can fix it and he never will in hopes everyone around him reads it and becomes a 出来ない too

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:16:20 2018 No.18898396 Memorizing songs is better for beginners than reading. It’s more fun and the vocabulary actually sticks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:35:42 2018 No.18898491 >>18895226 fuck this fucking languages fuck this fucking fuck fuck the anki fuck the fuck and fuck the fuck that fuck a fuck

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:38:51 2018 No.18898505 WHY THERE ARE SO MANY GOOD THINGS IN JAPANESE WHEN ITS A FUCKING HARD LANGUAGE TO LEARN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:41:10 2018 No.18898523 >>18898491 >>18898505 multi-shitpost drifting!?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:42:17 2018 No.18898528 Read anything fun today 先輩？

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:47:13 2018 No.18898555 >>18898528 Planning on firing up ひとりぼっちの○○生活 once I finish my reps.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:50:14 2018 No.18898564 Is there a way to watch jav porn subtitled in japanese? Serious question

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 12:56:08 2018 No.18898598 >>18898564 It's a good idea isn't it? First you learn some words and grammar with the initial conversation and then you fap as a reward

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:13:25 2018 No.18898676 >>18898528 Will get back to カタハネ in the evening. 白はね is moege-level easy and lead me to believe it's a good choice for a baby's first VN. Then 黒はね happens, but by this point I'm invested enough to suffer through.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:16:30 2018 No.18898687 someone post the yomanai video

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:35:02 2018 No.18898765 I don't suppose anyone has raws for 北北西に雲と行け

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:43:00 2018 No.18898800 Will dragon ball be a good manga to start testing out my readng skills on?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:46:40 2018 No.18898816 What the fuck makes you think the guide is associated with reddit?

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:51:36 2018 No.18898852

>>18898505
I know japanese and I can't find anything good that I would want to read\watch for pleasure or profit. Well, of course I can but there is a multitude of interesting things I haven't read in my native language. So...
Don't begin studying japanese, you can get adult in the process.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:52:20 2018 No.18898859 >>18898852 You don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:54:21 2018 No.18898871 >>18898859 I'm one of the very few who does here, unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:54:29 2018 No.18898874 >>18898871 No, you're not.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 13:58:17 2018 No.18898900 >>18898852 That's a personal problem. As I keep learning Japanese my backlog of things I want to read just getting bigger and bigger.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:02:43 2018 No.18898923 File: 56 KB, 640x320, 吐く.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >すいません >い

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:05:45 2018 No.18898938
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You can't learn Japanese, so you just learned enough to pretend you know it in front of people who don't know any of it at all, and you say that everything you wanted to do in the first place was actually just too boring to do, because you don't know Japanese well enough for it not to be a chore.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:06:23 2018 No.18898940 >>18898923 In this context, すい means 水 (water). As your picture shows, the girl accidentally consumed sperm and she's spitting out out while yelling "IT'S NOT WATER".

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:07:20 2018 No.18898949 >>18898940 lower effort shitpost than the one you're responding to worry

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:07:34 2018 No.18898950 >>18898938 You really need to stop writing your diary entries in the second person.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:07:57 2018 No.18898954 >>18898950 No, anon, that post is describing you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:18:38 2018 No.18899003 >>18898800 >manga >reading

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:19:31 2018 No.18899008 >>18899003 you don't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:22:00 2018 No.18899017 >>18899003 But you can use this to learn grammar though

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:23:48 2018 No.18899031 >>18899003 This is the most elitist post I've seen in awhile. Good job.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:24:32 2018 No.18899034 >>18899031 they're a resident shitposter, if this is the worst you've seen in a while you haven't seen anything

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:43:48 2018 No.18899140 僕も弁当が欲しいな。食堂の食べ物はあまり好きじゃないんだ。 Why did he use だ with the negative form?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:47:45 2018 No.18899155 >>18899140 のだ It's just explanatory の with a だ slapped on the end to make it sound masculine.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:49:11 2018 No.18899161
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>>18895226
What are some vns that have people talking about "complex" matters with really casual speech patterns? By casual I mean real commonplace japanese, not literary casual speech which I find much easier to read because it's mostly grammatically correct. Mostly interested in sci-fi and supernatural vns like yu-no or saya no uta.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:52:34 2018 No.18899176 >>18899161 dies irae

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:52:34 2018 No.18899179 >>18899161 Subahibi just got translated. Perfect for you!

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:53:18 2018 No.18899184 >>18899155 Thanks, anon.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:53:24 2018 No.18899185 >>18899161 hanahira

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 14:54:03 2018 No.18899189 >>18899161 Monobeno

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:02:07 2018 No.18899231 >>18899185 >>18899179 What I love about retards like you is how you leech from serious discussions and interchanges from other guys who are just sharing their interests and then give nothing back, only shitposting and making lame jokes.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:04:30 2018 No.18899247 >>18899231 >doubting the depth and complexity of hanahira

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:19:28 2018 No.18899323 >>18899231 I responded to a dumb post with a dumb answer. No need to get so mad buddy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:22:40 2018 No.18899336 >>18899323 Oh, I'm not, don't worry. Just tell me what was dumb about my post so I can have a good laugh.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:22:44 2018 No.18899337 File: 12 KB, 506x188, kusabi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's the dotted circle mean? I can't even hear the く in the audio but my listening ability sucks so is it not pronounced, or barely pronounced?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:23:49 2018 No.18899342 >>18899336 no it's okay you'll figure it out eventually

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:27:00 2018 No.18899362 >>18899342 That was lame of you, I was just trying to have fun.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:27:14 2018 No.18899364 >>18899031 Akshully, 1/3 of people here don't consider manga reading. https://www.strawpoll.me/15539035/r

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:28:53 2018 No.18899372 >"I should learn the radicals, it will make learning kanji easier" >procrastinate it for weeks >"I should do more than 5 pages of Tae Kim per day" >do even less than that I'm not gonna make it.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:31:07 2018 No.18899383

>>18899372
Lack of self-discipline, typical of Generation Z NEETs. That's why it's highly recommended in this thread to get your life in order and stop being a NEET before doing something like learning a language. Get a job and a normal lifestyle, Japanese learning will be much easier then.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:32:04 2018 No.18899388 >>18899372 Don't commit. Skim everything. All the time. No completion. Just consumption. No goals. Just soul.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:32:40 2018 No.18899393 Alright, I'm fucking done. Is it possible to get your daily reading by doujins? I can't get into any manga cuz there not a single site that has all the chapters of a particular manga or isnt in english

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:32:59 2018 No.18899398 >>18899383 I graduated from my bachelor in february and am starting my master in september. I also had a small business during my time in Uni to make some money on the side.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:33:43 2018 No.18899401 >>18899393 Yeah, that's how I did it when I started. >I can't get into any manga cuz there not a single site that has all the chapters of a particular manga or isnt in english You're supposed to pirate them by downloading them. Or just buy them.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:34:45 2018 No.18899407 >>18899398 Yet you lack such discipline? They really do hand out these diplomas quite freely these days. Or maybe it's because Japanese is too hard for you. Maybe a Euro language would be more your speed?

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:35:52 2018 No.18899412

>>18899401
>buy them
I dislike e-books and I sure as hell aint gonna look every word up when I have a physical copy.
Too lazy to actually install torrent again, why cant there just be a fuckin side designated to the manga like there is for most mangas in english?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:37:34 2018 No.18899421 >>18899412 Because those english sites exist to make money, and there's no money to be made in helping westerners pirate untranslated Japanese media, and if they targeted Japanese people it would get shut down instantly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:38:05 2018 No.18899424 >>18899407 you don't know japanese

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:38:33 2018 No.18899428

>>18899407
>Yet you lack such discipline?
Yeah, I don't know. I'm able to do Uni work consistently and on time but I guess the pressure from the financial commitment might be pushing me. I'm in full on do-nothing-all-day mode currently while I wait for my masters to start, maybe that's why I can't get into the right mentality to do the work I should be doing. I already speak 2 European languages other than English so I don't really care to add a third yet. I need to just set a fixed schedule every day for my studying and stick to it until it becomes routine.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:39:10 2018 No.18899432 File: 86 KB, 993x829, JcatResults.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18899424 My Jcat score is pretty decent though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:39:46 2018 No.18899434 >>18899432 that's not your j-cat score, it's someone else's

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:41:10 2018 No.18899448 >>18899434 Don't get angry just because someone's better than you.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:41:30 2018 No.18899450 >>18899448 you're worse than me actually, you don't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:43:22 2018 No.18899465 File: 2.92 MB, 580x328, 1519457516451.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >take j-cat >vocab section >here's a long sentence and 4 choices you have 3 seconds to ans-

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:46:02 2018 No.18899479 日本語分かりませんか判りませんか解るか

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:46:45 2018 No.18899483 >>18899465 Speed is a good determiner of skill. It's also true on Anki. You can spot the 出来ない when they spend more than 5 seconds on every card.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:48:33 2018 No.18899497 >tfw spend like half an hour searching for a site with raws on it, gave up, and just downloaded the fucking shit holy fuck raws are cancer.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:50:14 2018 No.18899511 >>18899497 No you're just retarded

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:50:59 2018 No.18899520 >>18899511 Show me how it's done then, smart guy.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:52:11 2018 No.18899530 >>18899520 Lurk at least 2 years before posting.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:52:38 2018 No.18899532 Is the Kangxi radical deck from cor what I should be using?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:53:08 2018 No.18899538 >>18899497 That's why I only read porn.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:54:15 2018 No.18899544 >>18899497 What kind of raws? If it's anime there's honestly no reason to download raws when you can just disable the subs in your media player. If it's manga, Japanese scans are pretty much universally bad anyway.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:55:20 2018 No.18899551 >>18899544 that's because they stopped scanning once publishers universally accepted ebook publishing. they just de-drm now. which is why digital releases are so bad, to encourage pirates to buy the physical manga.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:55:37 2018 No.18899556

>>18899530
How about no, lmao. I ain't here for this thread, only for advice about actual learning.
>>18899538
Honestly that's what I would've probably done if I really didnt want to download the raw, might still do it desu. Problem is I still cant read kanji for shit, so it would have to be furigana, but which doujin actually puts furi in their doujin? Not like kids read that shit
>>18899544
Nah, I'm covered for anime. Already got like 10 waiting with one I'm watching currently
I kinda guessed after seeing the first few, but I need something to imrprove my reading

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:55:43 2018 No.18899557 anons seriously where do i find raws for light novels

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 15:59:40 2018 No.18899589

>>18899557
You buy them.

Japanese pirates prefer to pirate light novels as scans or renders of ebooks because westerners fucked up vertical text rendering for so long, so it's virtually impossible to find them in a format that's easy to use with dictionaries.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:04:46 2018 No.18899636 >lmao >ain't >desu >Nah >suprisebox Reminder that this is who you share a thread with.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:08:44 2018 No.18899665 >>18899589 then how chinks translate japanese lns? do they all buy the LNs? i was thinking about learning japanese to learn light novels faster but there is no way to get lns in raw where i live

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:08:49 2018 No.18899666 >>18899636 What did you expect? Everyone 21 years old and younger have been brought up on Web 2.0, which is when the normification of the internet happened. We can never go back now.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:08:57 2018 No.18899668

>>18899636
Either answer or study japanese yourself. Or, let me guess, are you actually not doing anything at all and just in here because youre lazy?
Not like it matters anyway, I could always just change the way I type and that's it anon, you would never recognize me again. Stop being butthurt and study
Anyway, how the hell do I properly mine? Am I just retarded, or does it actually take that much effort just to add one single word into the deck?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:09:05 2018 No.18899669 >>18899665 They read them without a digital dictionary or anything like that.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:09:37 2018 No.18899671 >>18899666 you're no older than 25 years old and you don't know japanese

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:09:40 2018 No.18899674 >>18899636 The h*ck is a suprisebox?

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:10:21 2018 No.18899681

>>18899556
>it would have to be furigana
Lack of furigana is actually a good thing. It forces you to remember how to read words you have learned. Just power through whatever h-manga you find fancy with kanjitomo and after one month you should be able to read pretty comfortably.
Also I would stay away from doujins at first. From my experience they tend use more advanced vocabulary and don't give furigana even for obscure shit written with hyōgai kanji (kanjitomo can't recognize most of them).

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:11:42 2018 No.18899689 >>18899668 >Am I just retarded yes

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:14:00 2018 No.18899708 >>18899681 Alright, I'll try that then. Thank you. >>18899689 Helpful.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:24:44 2018 No.18899789 >>18899671 Don't get mad just because you were born in a shitty generation that raised absolute retards.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:25:47 2018 No.18899796 >>18899789 i don't fall into the group you described my friend

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:33:05 2018 No.18899836 not same anon but >tried anons tip >kanjitomo doesnt even work A-Are VN's easier to handle?

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:34:52 2018 No.18899845

>>18899836
No, manga is still by far the easiest thing to read. If you have trouble reading things written almost entirely with very common words (like if you need to look up 状況 or 変態 or 変化) then you shouldn't be reading anything that makes it take more than a faction of a second to check how words are pronounced.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:35:50 2018 No.18899852 >>18899674 びっくり箱

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:38:57 2018 No.18899873 >>18899836 Have you tired using Capture2Text? A lot better than Kanjitomo imo

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:39:16 2018 No.18899878

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.FingerGunGames.OhayouBeginnersJapanese&hl=en

So the next update I'm working on is the vocabulary part. Any ideas how I could make a fun way to learn it? I guess starting with just small categories for instance

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:39:31 2018 No.18899879 >>18899845 I'm stuck then. The guide isn't really helping with the reading resources, I've looked everywhere using yomichan, manga, doujins and VN's. I don't even know hwo to continue now, thought reading in general would be the easiest part

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:41:00 2018 No.18899887 >>18899836 VNs are fine with a texthooker.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:41:43 2018 No.18899891 >>18899879 >>18895294

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:42:34 2018 No.18899895 >>18899891 So I should just go on with eroge? Alright then, not like I've got anything else to try right now

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 16:58:58 2018 No.18899995 >>18899873 I have no idea how to use it, it just feels cumbersome. I'm so glad kanjitomo is a thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 17:01:42 2018 No.18900009 >>18899895 try that that eroge isnt a nukige (extremely fap material), something with a plot is better and don't fap.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 17:27:16 2018 No.18900144 ゲイであればここに行くね。

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 17:35:37 2018 No.18900192

I've been learning Japanese with Minna no Nihongo for almost a year now and am at Lesson 17 at the time of writing this post. Some could consider this a slow learning pace, and I agree with you. I could've been faster, but this was a pace that really suited me and I think that's what matters the most.

Here's the reason why I think it might seem so slow. Basically I'm learning from 1 to 3 new words (along with their writings) everyday, based on the Lesson I'm currently learning. After completing the whole vocabulary (of the Lesson), I start the Lesson in the textbook and that's basically what I've done for the past 17 Lessons. Note that I use Anki and have only one deck with all the vocabulary I've learned (and also random kanji that I saw online or wanted to learn on my own). No grammar on my deck, but I don't think it's a problem (because of the way Minna no Nihongo makes you review things).

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 17:39:55 2018 No.18900213 (yup, it's reddit)

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 17:55:03 2018 No.18900282 How long do you guys spend on learning new cards? I did 23 new ones today and spent an hour on it. Also, is anyone able to remember new words without writing them down over and over again?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:01:10 2018 No.18900309 >>18900282 Takes me a few minutes to do that many, easy to remember without writing because I use context (sentence cards) and I already know kanji from RTK

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:04:41 2018 No.18900332

The more I read, the more I realize how little I know about the language, and it kind of scares me to think that I might put in many years worth of time and never fully understand some aspects. I'm almost a year in, and a question directed at people who have been studying for 3+ years: does this go away? Do you get better, lose this fear, and actually understand everything you begin to read and produce?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:08:59 2018 No.18900355 I can't look at a post longer than one line and think it's not reddit copy pasta.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:10:55 2018 No.18900366 >>18900332 That applies to everything you are learning and improving on. The more you know and the better you get, the more you realize how little you know

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:11:17 2018 No.18900368 >>18900332 There will always be a part of Japanese that will be unreadable to you. I tried to reading Nausicaa once and I couldn't understand the old guys at all.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:19:08 2018 No.18900409 >>18900332 You're putting it on a pedestal it doesn't deserve. This is just a language used by Japanese children and the half of their population with sub 100 IQ. It's limited and it's learnable

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:40:10 2018 No.18900514 >>18899383 >Get a job and a normal lifestyle, Japanese learning will be much easier then. No it won't you fucking idiot. I fucking wish I didn't have uni all the time. Then I could commit 100% to learning Japanese and go at a much faster pace.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:44:13 2018 No.18900536 >>18900514 >I fucking wish I didn't have uni all the time. Then I could commit 100% to learning Japanese and go at a much faster pace. All you really need to do is read and Anki. That's all I've practically done for the past two and a half years.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:44:17 2018 No.18900537 File: 95 KB, 867x188, Sure.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >English is not European

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 18:44:48 2018 No.18900539 >>18900514 Just ignore him, he's a pathetic loser.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 19:00:07 2018 No.18900611 I feel like coding something in my free time. What'd be a useful tool for learning Japanese that doesn't exist yet?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 19:02:13 2018 No.18900627 >>18900611 An addon to anki that reminds you that you will never learn japanese every time you open the program

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 19:02:21 2018 No.18900628

>>18900611
A good image viewer that runs on windows that's designed to run external OCR programs from inside it and edit their output without going to a separate text editor. Also that saves the OCR text for each unique image even if you close it and open it back up later, in a way that you can use the same save OCR for different scans of the same manga. And with a setting to disable everything editing related so people can just use it to read manga that other people have already OCR'd.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 19:03:42 2018 No.18900639 >>18900611 AI that can understand context and give quality translations. Oh, it should also support OCR. Good luck

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 19:03:47 2018 No.18900640 >>18900611 An EPWING reader that doesn't suck balls (FUCK YOU QOLBIRI)

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 19:11:15 2018 No.18900696 >>18900640 They all suck because EPWING sucks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 19:26:46 2018 No.18900778 >>18900539 >guy with a job and uni is a pathetic loser >guy who jerks off to cartoon porn and lives with his disappointed parents isn't You sure showed me.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 20:08:41 2018 No.18901050

>>18897543
I hate this post.

I hate learning how Japanese counter words work, how there are slight differences sometimes. I don't understand the system. It makes me recoil when I remember I have to know it.

it's like all of English's irregular verbs.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 20:13:38 2018 No.18901081 File: 1.82 MB, 1197x1989, Capture.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] hey guys what do you think of these translations context: 一花,二乃,美玖,四葉,五木 are quintuplets and the speaker is trying to find which of the five did a dirty deed

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 20:24:17 2018 No.18901146 >>18901081 They are both shit

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 20:43:08 2018 No.18901218 >>18901081 Why do ESLs have such a hard-on for translating to English when they're no good at it?

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 20:48:16 2018 No.18901249

>>18901081
Listen, as someone who has a bachelor's degree in translation and who does it professionally, I'd like to plead with you not to translate anymore. It's a complex skill, and being perfectly fluent in two different languages is required but not sufficient in order to translate properly. You learned Japanese, fine. Go enjoy raw material with your newfound skill, but please leave the translating to the professionals and stop throwing more shit in the ocean of shit which already exists.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 20:54:08 2018 No.18901279

This is my I think 3rd or 4th time taking N5. In the exam 2 days ago I feel like I'm gonna fail it again and been crying since, but after recollecting myself, I think I finally understand why I'm failing.

Little background of skill level: I haven't actually studied Japanese seriously until maybe a few years ago. I memorized Hiragana and Katakana many, many years ago via sheer exposure (sister was full-weeb that time so I got so I got to watch her play Japanese video games a lot), and then around 2-3 years ago I started grinding vocab via lexikeet, I think, which helped me understand radicals and learned how to write kanji correctly
And then 0-1 years back from right now I've mostly been learning Japanese via Anki, did some translation projects for some 4komas and game content, but I never did take the effort to learn these vocabulary like putting them in an Anki deck and grinding each day. Right now I talk to some Japanese acquaintances every now and then online in a community I'm in, using mostly vocab to deliver broken-but-understandable Japanese. I even got a sponsored trip to Japan last month for my translation work.

Anyway, cutting straight to the point, it seems that grammar is my weakest point, and listening also still needs some improvement. I'm pretty sure I aced vocab minus one question (I had no idea what みがいています meant at the time... but ironically I knew what the kanji 磨く means, so I would have gotten it right if the question used kanji instead of full hiragana). Heck, my gf who passed N3 a while ago didn't know the kanji for 砂糖 but I did, lol

Constructive advice would be appreciated, thanks. I'm thinking of immediately retaking this July, and hoping that my grammar would be fixed by then.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 20:55:35 2018 No.18901289
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>>18901279
>And then 0-1 years back from right now I've mostly been learning Japanese via Anki, did some translation projects for some 4komas and game content, but I never did take the effort to learn these vocabulary like putting them in an Anki deck and grinding each day.

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 21:01:40 2018 No.18901308
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>>18897322
>>18897333
>>18897248

I would say that as you learn more, you will be able to learn more much quicker. In 2 months of learning I have about 1000 cards worth of vocab and some hundreds of sentences mined from various sources, and while new Kanji and certain words can be a bit of a pain to figure out at times, on average I'm able to learn and retain more than I was even one month ago. Being able to do a little better than stumble through the NHK EASY news helps, and the average article only yields about 3 new words, compared to having to learn most of them every time.

I can also make it through one of those articles at a somewhat natural pace, only stopping to look up/card new words. I haven't bothered to commit location/city/country names to memory yet, but they're not too useful yet.

Listening is a bit harder, as I can only get about 40-50% of what's going on in the average sentence in, say, an episode of Pokemon. However, it's getting easier with each passing day.

Basically, don't stop. Make Japanese your habit and do SOMETHING with it every day. On my days where I don't study new cards, I'm straight up playing Pokemon or watching weird Japanese shows on Youtube. Work doesn't mind if I read NHK news and have Jisho open, so I can roll through old articles all day long if I like.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 21:12:52 2018 No.18901337 >>18901279 >4 month old reddit post I hope the mods aren't too gentle with you

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 21:31:20 2018 No.18901414 >>18900611 >What'd be a useful tool for learning Japanese that doesn't exist yet? something that takes the data from http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats and gives you a steadily increasing difficulty based on your preferred genre

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 21:52:54 2018 No.18901525 File: 314 KB, 1000x1000, IHaveBecomeBully.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18895268

Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:11:58 2018 No.18901858

Reading mangas and some doujins lately to find some Kanjis I don't get or to perfect my Katakana, still I found this one.

発情 = Estrus

I certainly don't know how to read this one during doujins, certain parts like (発情してる or 発情しまった) seems hard for me to put in my mind, I know it has to do with reproductive period but is I need a little understanding of how to read it or translate it in my brain.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:16:27 2018 No.18901885 >>18901858 Being horny.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:22:31 2018 No.18901931 File: 336 KB, 1125x1600, 066.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's a スキ?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:23:23 2018 No.18901937 >>18901858 like a rabbit in heat

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:38:51 2018 No.18901992 >>18901858 Manga isn't reading though.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:48:51 2018 No.18902017 >>18901931 A hole/weak point, like a hole in her defense. Because she instinctively covered the gap in her clothes and they couldn't see her ass.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:49:00 2018 No.18902018 >>18901992 fuck off retard

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:50:48 2018 No.18902025 >>18901992 What are you currently reading, anon?

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:54:24 2018 No.18902046 >>18902025 Nothing, watching anime.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:56:44 2018 No.18902061 I have a dream, that one day my fellow posters will respond not to bait posts seen over ten thousand times before, but to interesting posts deserving of responses.

>>	Anonymous Thu Apr 26 23:59:30 2018 No.18902069 >>18902061 >b-but it was bait fuck off retard

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:00:35 2018 No.18902072 >>18902017 Thanks a lot

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:00:46 2018 No.18902074

>>18902061
Where are these interesting posts you speak of? The entire thread is people ironically posting stupid shit, people asking to be spoonfed/handheld, or people asking questions that they could've figured out themselves by either googling or reading the guide or archive.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:00:49 2018 No.18902075 >>18902061 If people had interesting posts, they wouldn't be here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:04:46 2018 No.18902100 >>18901858 I wondered how you got that definition and sure enough it's what Google Translate outputs. Read the guide and use a real dictionary.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:06:55 2018 No.18902115 >>18901858 Think simpler. 発情してる just means "I'm craving dicks"

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:14:17 2018 No.18902145 >>18902074 Ideally the vast majority of posts wouldn't get responses, and be left hanging forlornly, waiting for (You)s that never come.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:16:31 2018 No.18902157 >>18902074 Do you ever read the archive?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:21:28 2018 No.18902173 >>18902157 Yes

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:23:36 2018 No.18902188 >>18902173 本当に?

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:45:37 2018 No.18902311
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Bit of an odd question, but do you guys actually read and translated the h-scenes, or do you just wack your dick and then ctrl to the end of the scene? I did the 2nd option earlier for the first time and it made me feel really guilty for some reason, like I cheated on my reading since that was basically an entire scene i didn't actually attempt to translate properly

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:49:07 2018 No.18902324 >>18902311 i used to read it all, then some other guy on here said he reads until insert, then ctrl to flashes so i do that now you honestly don't miss anything of import

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:54:51 2018 No.18902339 >>18902324 so you think missing that bit of input won't hurt me? I only read like 26k characters / 1500 lines today, but who knows how much of that was actually studied and how much was skipped

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 00:55:30 2018 No.18902342 >>18902311 I try to read as much as my penis will permit me. Once I get good enough to skim as fast as I do in English I will but until then I try to treat it like standard reading practice.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:05:10 2018 No.18902374 File: 796 KB, 2419x1814, look morty were in konoha .jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18898236 lool

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:06:59 2018 No.18902385 >>18902374 p sure that battle wasnt in この葉 lol

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:28:28 2018 No.18902476 >>18900778 The second sounds much better than the first though.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:30:21 2018 No.18902485

>>18902311
Either read and fap or skip and don't. What do you even fap to if you aren't reading it?

I've only read a couple VNs, but I've already realized the H-scenes are all mostly the same. I'll probably start skipping them soon.

You shouldn't think of it as missing input, you are just reading something else instead. If you were watching TV for listening practice, would you feel bad about skipping the commercials?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:36:38 2018 No.18902515 What does こんなとに mean? For example: こんなとに初めて

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:39:16 2018 No.18902531 >>18902374 Why is naruto fighting polandball? Arent they bffs?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:44:00 2018 No.18902547 >>18902515 Are you sure that's not actually こんなこと my mang

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 01:50:31 2018 No.18902579
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>>18902547
Oh shit. I might be retarded.
But it's actually とこ not こと.
とこ here is just ところ as in physical place, right?
So she's saying this is the first time she's rode in the back of a truck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:11:28 2018 No.18902674 >>18902579 that's right

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:12:52 2018 No.18902685 >>18902674 Thanks oniichan

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:24:58 2018 No.18902731 Why even bother learning how to read first? Japanese kids are fluent before they learn a single letter. Wouldn't it make sense then to become fluent before learning to read?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:25:37 2018 No.18902735 >>18902731 Are you 3 years old?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:26:46 2018 No.18902742 >>18902735 I don't see your point. If 3 year olds can learn to speak fluently, then in theory someone much older and more intelligent should be able to learn much faster.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:28:35 2018 No.18902751 >>18902742 Doesn't work like that. Language is best picked up when you're really young. It gets harder as you get older.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:29:27 2018 No.18902756 >>18902731 >Wouldn't it make sense then to become fluent before learning to read? Yeah go do that, on your own

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:39:06 2018 No.18902793 >>18902731 When was the last time you were actually around a 4-5 year old kid? They can barely talk.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:40:00 2018 No.18902797 >>18900611 A software that judges the correctness of pitch accent (in so-called "standard Japanese") by comparing the user's relative shift in frequencies of his voice's sound against that of a native speaker's.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:40:21 2018 No.18902798
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>>18902485
I guess not
thanks for helping calm me down, for some reason lately i've been anxious that i'll never get good with Japanese and I have no idea why
is it just a phase you go through? I'm about 10 months in

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 02:54:56 2018 No.18902860

>>18902798
If you are already at the point where you are reading VNs, all you have to do is keep going.

You might never get "good", because it is relative. As you get better, your expectations get higher. From a beginner's perspective, you are probably already good.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 03:11:51 2018 No.18902908 >>18897502 When I want to download raws I usually go to Nyaa first, if that doesn't work just type [name of manga/LN in japanese] ZIP on Google.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 03:40:18 2018 No.18902977 にゃーんおはようおにいちゃん

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 03:43:04 2018 No.18902987 File: 33 KB, 570x311, 恍惚中.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18902977 >にゃーん

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 04:53:00 2018 No.18903132 New Illusion game just came out called コイカツ It's time to fa-, I mean read

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 04:58:47 2018 No.18903145 >>18902742 >what is neuroplasticity

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 05:00:27 2018 No.18903151 File: 182 KB, 800x450, 218356[1].jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18902977 >おにいちゃんおねえたんですにょん

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 05:01:49 2018 No.18903158 おふろーおふろはいろ

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 05:23:28 2018 No.18903199 >>18903158 日本人はシャワーが性に合わないな

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 05:25:33 2018 No.18903206 >>18902311 Save it, ctrl through it, come back to it when I'm feeling 発情

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 05:25:43 2018 No.18903208 >>18903199 ゴルディンシャワーも？

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 05:30:27 2018 No.18903224 >>18903199 じゃすとふぃっと！ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yID2uC0nP4 >>18903208 あぶのーまるだとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 05:45:05 2018 No.18903272 File: 890 KB, 1080x2220, Screenshot_20180427-174347_MuPDF.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can somebody help me identify the top right kanji? Thank you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 05:52:01 2018 No.18903302 >>18903272 じょうげがきれてないのないの？

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 06:03:31 2018 No.18903329 Reminder to not read Japanese text produced in these threads. Reading badly constructed sentences as a language learner can mess up your skills.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 06:06:25 2018 No.18903337 >>18903302 てつだってありがとうけど結局自分でことばをあてた「将来」でした

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 07:59:06 2018 No.18903763 Is there a discord?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 07:59:52 2018 No.18903767 >>18895226 oh whoa is this where the DJT went when did that happen

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:00:00 2018 No.18903768 >>18903763 yeah dawg i gotchu https://www.patreon.com/mattvsjapan

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:02:19 2018 No.18903779 >>18902797 but pitch is relative

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:03:22 2018 No.18903783 >>18903329 yeah a lot of this is nonsense

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:19:10 2018 No.18903863 >>18903337 わからないよぎょうざの王将かんけいかもしれないうそだよ

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:21:20 2018 No.18903871 >>18903763 いらない

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:21:44 2018 No.18903875 File: 298 KB, 600x512, 084.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >大人　（おとな） >大人気　（だいにんき） ???

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:22:58 2018 No.18903880 File: 460 KB, 472x419, 1451769263658.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18903875

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:23:55 2018 No.18903884 >>18903875 苦手握手

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:24:54 2018 No.18903889 >>18903875 一人一人前

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:26:01 2018 No.18903893 File: 69 KB, 306x331, 1522732412175.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >部屋 >部室

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:29:33 2018 No.18903908 I took a look at imabi and it seems to be plastered with a bunch of overly specific stuff. Has anyone tried it? Feels kinda overkill for a beginner.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:31:09 2018 No.18903917 >>18903908 Tae Kim and imabi were never meant for beginners. They are references for looking up what you already learned once. Go and read Genki.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:31:59 2018 No.18903923 >>18903908 It should be rather used as a reference than a guide for beginnners in order to learn japanese. Either read Tae Kim or Japanese the Manga way >>18903917 Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:32:02 2018 No.18903924 >>18903875 あとこれふるいせんとうにいくとみられるかもしれない大人（だいにん）：ふつうのりょうきんのこと小人（しょうにん）：とくべつりょうきんのこと

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:35:22 2018 No.18903941 >>18903923 Yeah I've been going through both Tae Kim and jap the manga way. Just wondered if imabi was a good option because of an autistic tirade I read one. Guess I'll leave it for much later as a reference site.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 08:59:57 2018 No.18904072 File: 14 KB, 300x300, 15205_L1-300x300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] なんでもカレーあじになるこれべんりだよがいこくでもかえますか？

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:05:37 2018 No.18904103 >>18903917 This advice is the sort of thing that makes people into 出来ない

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:06:32 2018 No.18904107 /DJT/ news https://ranking.goo.ne.jp/column/5085/

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:08:52 2018 No.18904112 >>18904107 >NBR 爆笑

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 09:23:06 2018 No.18904179 In a weird way, not counting my hours and just reading as much as I feel like makes me read more I feel. Instead of just stopping after 1 hour, i just take little breaks and read all day

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:13:02 2018 No.18904442 テキストを　_______ 答えてください。どうして「見なくて」は違うんですか。どうして「見ずに」は正しい答えなのですか。

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:14:51 2018 No.18904453 >>18904442 見ずに

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:18:02 2018 No.18904471 >>18904453 それは知ってるけどなぜかわからない。

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:21:40 2018 No.18904492 >>18904442 I think it's covered in Tae Kim 5.10

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:22:10 2018 No.18904496
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>>18904453
>>18904471
Whoops I replied to your post without actually reading it and assumed it was one of those pop quizzes.

Because 見なくて答えて implies you didn't look at the text and THEN answered. Its a sequence of actions.
見ずに implies you 答えて without looking at the text.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:26:42 2018 No.18904514 >>18904496 ありがとう先輩説明をよく分かった

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 10:27:44 2018 No.18904519 >>18904492 それはも見なくちゃ、ありがとう

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:02:40 2018 No.18904666 File: 184 KB, 600x642, 1522584061849.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What's the meaning of this sentence >やられっぱなしじゃいられない ?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:06:19 2018 No.18904692 >>18904666 Looks like the literal translation would be "the pleasure of being cummed inside"

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:07:47 2018 No.18904706 >>18903893 laughs in RTK

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:10:32 2018 No.18904725 >>18904666 Context? It's やられる＋ぱなし＋じゃ＋いられない But やられる and いられない can mean many things.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:18:27 2018 No.18904773 >>18904725 I don't know if this would help So this girl just killed the bad guy and muttered this >"やられっぱなしじゃいられない” >"This (my) life that has been saved twice already" >"There is no way the likes of you can take it away from me" more or less like that

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:29:32 2018 No.18904866 >>18904773 If she keeps needing to be saved then she's useless/dead weight, basically. やられる -> to be done for/defeated ぱなし -> to keep doing something (negative nuance) じゃ -> then/so いられない -> not needed

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:46:03 2018 No.18904986 I thought は was used to assign the topic and の was used as a possessive particle. I was watching haganai and one of the characters said "[character] の Baka". Is this wrong or something I'm missing?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:49:11 2018 No.18904999 >>18904666 >>18904866 It's 居られない.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 11:52:44 2018 No.18905014 >>18904999 Is it? I didn't make much sense to me, so I figured it was 要る.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:02:43 2018 No.18905052 File: 136 KB, 1920x1080, GushingAho.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18904986 [character] obviously possesses the baka illness. It's unfortunately terminal. Yeah you can say it like that, sounds a bit more natural even I'd say.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:19:46 2018 No.18905126 >>18904179 It all depends on what you are reading. If it is compelling, then you won't have to force yourself to read for a certain amount of time because you want to know what is going to happen next.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:32:36 2018 No.18905169 >>18905052 >pic I need season two

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 12:42:38 2018 No.18905205 >>18905169 We all do

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 13:21:39 2018 No.18905387 >>18903917 Tae Kim is literally specifically meant for beginners.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 13:52:30 2018 No.18905532 Can I start learning with practicing Hiragana strokes even if I don't know which kanji is what sound?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:00:38 2018 No.18905576 >>18905532 By the authority of the Daily Japanese Thread, I hereby prohibit doing that!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:01:37 2018 No.18905583 >>18905532 What does this even mean?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:06:28 2018 No.18905620 >>18905387 It's pretty shit at it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:07:09 2018 No.18905624 >>18905620 And Genki somehow is?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:07:44 2018 No.18905633 >>18903917 Tae Kim is definitely aimed at beginners, it's just shit. Genki is even worse.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:10:08 2018 No.18905650 >曳光弾 what am I mining I don't even know this word in my own language

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:11:12 2018 No.18905660 File: 44 KB, 205x250, 1502734731689.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are we only できない because every beginner's grammar guide is shit?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:12:15 2018 No.18905671 >>18905650 >弾道や着弾点がわかりやすいように，弾底から光を放ちながら飛ぶ弾丸

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:14:23 2018 No.18905681 File: 20 KB, 216x255, 1517223608246.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18905660 Accept Professor Lammers into your heart and soul as your 出来る advisor.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:17:25 2018 No.18905698 Thread theme https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QzLk5FMhY8

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:22:10 2018 No.18905720 >>18905698 >posting a shitty gaijin weeb cover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPF7lit7Z00

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:25:37 2018 No.18905736 >>18905720 I didn't even know she was a gaijin, I just generally don't like vocaloid as much, so I rather listen to the covers most of the time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:27:24 2018 No.18905749 >>18905736 I'm deeply sorry for your shit taste

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:30:15 2018 No.18905762 >>18905633 So no non-shit guides existeth?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:31:38 2018 No.18905768 >>18905762 mines good

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:36:26 2018 No.18905798
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so i'm done with the first 2k of the core deck and would like to start mining, but I really like the quality of the cards from the main deck.
is there any way to quick migrate a card from one deck to another with the browse option?
i know it's stupid but i like them so much more than the default yomichan cards with like 15 bullet points and missing audio half the time

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:43:33 2018 No.18905838 >>18905798 Actually it's recommended here to get at least to 3k words before reading and mining comfortably. Please stick with the deck for 1k more, you won't regret it. Otherwise, you'll be mining 9 out of every 10 words, which makes it inefficient.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:44:14 2018 No.18905841 >>18905838 Stop forcing this meme. Nobody but you has this specific belief.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:44:45 2018 No.18905849 >>18905838 actually it's recommended here that you get the fuck out of here and fuck off forever

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:49:26 2018 No.18905873

>>18905838
i was caught between 2k and 3k and i don't mind mining a lot. i actually first tried reading before even hitting 1k and it wasn't intolerable for me, so I decided 2k would be enough. Just wondering if I could get some use out of the deck's quality, but only learn cards from something i've read at the same time

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 14:56:48 2018 No.18905916 >>18905841 >>18905849 Actually polls done here unanimously agreed and studies also support this opinion.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:05:29 2018 No.18905962 >>18905916 Stop lying.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:08:13 2018 No.18905979 >>18905916 You mean the polls where 80% of people select the less than 1000 option?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:09:29 2018 No.18905984 File: 200 KB, 1921x1303, 1522898100494.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:09:39 2018 No.18905986 File: 11 KB, 273x261, jamesshrug.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] okay it's the change deck option i actually am a moron. i saw that name and assumed it was something else. carry on

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:10:17 2018 No.18905994 >>18905986 It's too late. You have doomed us all.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:10:51 2018 No.18905996 File: 82 KB, 1085x635, 1522900526386.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:11:31 2018 No.18906001 File: 1009 KB, 418x235, gregshrug.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18905994 ain't that just the way

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:11:54 2018 No.18906003 >>18905984 >>18905979 Those are the fake polls done afterwards with the faulty questions. The original poll was unanimous in saying 3k.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:13:45 2018 No.18906018 >>18906003 >4chan >unanimous >consensus How new would you have to be to believe this?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:14:15 2018 No.18906022 >>18905984 I can't believe you actually took the time to make an image debunking a "troll" (because apparently wallowing in your own mediocrity and inability to learn Japanese is "trolling", somehow.) This is just as embarrassing.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:14:34 2018 No.18906023 3k isn't a "You do core up to this point" benchmark. It's a "You stop doing core sometime before this point" benchmark.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:15:30 2018 No.18906028 >>18906003 >Those are the fake polls done afterwards with the faulty questions No, one of them is literally your own poll. Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:16:29 2018 No.18906039 >>18906023 >stop doing core But why?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:17:11 2018 No.18906042 >>18906039 because it's bad and you're better off adding cards from mining or spending that time reading

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:17:11 2018 No.18906043 >>18906039 It's an inefficient use of time.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:17:51 2018 No.18906048 >>18906039 You should still do your reps, but all of your new cards should come from mining.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:18:05 2018 No.18906051 File: 8 KB, 250x166, 1523621347034.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] reminder that if you have time to argue about learning japanese, you have time to learn japanese

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:20:06 2018 No.18906071 >>18906022 It's not a "troll", it's a legitimately crazy person.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:24:04 2018 No.18906094 >>18906071 Very doubtful, but regardless, the only thing that's certain is that he doesn't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:24:58 2018 No.18906098 >>18906094 At least we can agree on that.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:25:51 2018 No.18906101

>>18906039
Because why learning words some autist put in a list for whatever reason (frequency lists of old newspapers or something), when you can learn words you yourself read. Mining gives you a context for a word, which makes memorising easier. It reflects the kind of words you meet in your reading material, like 10 different Japanese expressions for "penis". Furthermore, if you take words from whatever you read, you need to read to get new cards, and it's less likely to become an ankidrone.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:27:09 2018 No.18906109 >>18906051 >Stop discussing Japanese learning on the Japanese learning thread!!!!! Congratulations, you're retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 15:32:21 2018 No.18906135 File: 177 KB, 501x506, 1471595123332.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18906109 threads where everybody repeats the same exact things they have been saying for months on end aren't discussions

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:02:54 2018 No.18906293 From Tae Kim: 「たまにご両親と話せばどう？」 Why is there a ご in there?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:05:34 2018 No.18906306 >>18906293 wait I'm retarded, he means 御両親. Disregard my post anon, move along, no bully pls.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:20:06 2018 No.18906411 File: 321 KB, 1000x1422, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is your body ready?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:27:40 2018 No.18906465 File: 444 KB, 1001x1048, 1517787384516.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >finish first VN i've been reading for 3 months >feel a sense of emptiness that the characters and stories i've spent 1/4 of a year with is done

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:28:28 2018 No.18906472 >>18906411 I'd like to read it, but I'm not at 3k words in the Core deck yet. I guess it'll have to wait.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:31:20 2018 No.18906496 >>18906465 You have enough VNs to last you a lifetime at your disposal. Go read another.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:32:35 2018 No.18906504 File: 187 KB, 400x750, 1498091376761.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18906411 The charge for the order that my pre-order for it was in got applied to my card today.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:35:37 2018 No.18906523 >>18906465 I had the same feeling, although I took 11 months to read my first "real" (non-Hanahira) VN. Check to see if there is a fandisk. Maybe you have more to read.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:48:56 2018 No.18906576 >>18906411 I hope it gets scanned quickly. How long does it usually take for scans to appear?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:51:05 2018 No.18906585 >>18906576 You can probably already find scans of the chapters somewhere, from the magazine run, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:57:30 2018 No.18906613 My Japanese learning experience is so messed up, I have no idea how many words or kanji I know. I could give a rough estimation, like I'm pretty sure I'm somewhere between 500 and 1000 kanji, but that's it. The only path left seems to be mining

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 16:58:19 2018 No.18906618 >>18906613 subscribed

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 17:30:00 2018 No.18906776 >>18906585 I've tried searching for them before but only found a few chapters here and there, mainly just the last few chapters

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 17:31:02 2018 No.18906781 >>18906613 Only ankidrones know how many words or kanji they know

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 17:40:09 2018 No.18906836 >>18906576 It depends. Some things get scanned almost instantly, but I had to wait a few weeks for the last volume of 少女終末旅行 (it was definitely worth it.)

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 17:45:14 2018 No.18906863 I think I'm trying to study too many resources at once. I might have to drop my heisigs remember the kanji.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 17:53:45 2018 No.18906922 >>18906863 You will never pass the 漢字検定1級 without kanji study, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 18:05:43 2018 No.18906983 眄 What the FUCK is looking "askance"?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 18:08:03 2018 No.18906998 >>18906983 adv. With disapproval, suspicion, or distrust: "The area is so dirty that merchants report the tourists are looking askance” ( Chris Black). adv. With a sideways glance; obliquely.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 18:08:51 2018 No.18907004 >>18906836 >last volume of 少女終末旅行 Did it end or did you mean latest?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 18:14:50 2018 No.18907042 >>18907004 It ended a while back.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 18:15:19 2018 No.18907046 File: 130 KB, 678x720, 0004.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18906613 >between 500 and 1000 kanji When did you start?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 18:43:00 2018 No.18907222 File: 16 KB, 255x251, 1513305563374.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18906472 Learn through reading anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:00:02 2018 No.18907297 >>18907222 trips have spoken, you must read

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:09:03 2018 No.18907335 I know Tae Kim and Genki cover around the same material, but who covers it better?

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:16:10 2018 No.18907364

>>18907335
Unless you're addicted to homework, Tae Kim is significantly easier to use and guides you into a better place to start reading on your own from.

Most college classes spend a semester or two on each of the Genki books. You can read Tae Kim in a couple days if you read it like a book, a week or two if you read it like a text, which is how you're supposed to read it.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:16:41 2018 No.18907365 >>18907335 Tae Kim is just a grammar guide, while Genki is a full blown textbook (with audio, etc.) which has a classroom setting in mind (there are several group activities). Pick your poison

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:17:11 2018 No.18907367 Can somebody tell me a few good beginner manga that are actually interesting? I just want __some__ story I can sink into, sadly Yotsubato doesnt really have that. Preferably no Shounen fighting stuff

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:17:38 2018 No.18907371 >耽美 don't google image that, its gay as shit

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:17:38 2018 No.18907372 >>18906411 Ena best girl.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:18:09 2018 No.18907374 >>18907367 惡の華

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:19:14 2018 No.18907377 >>18907364 >You can read Tae Kim in a couple days if you read it like a book, a week or two if you read it like a text, which is how you're supposed to read it. Is this r*ddit copy paste?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:22:28 2018 No.18907390 >>18907377 No. >Estimated reading time: 358 minutes, 51 seconds. Contains 71770 words

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:23:14 2018 No.18907395 >>18907222 This is what I'm doing along with studying Japanese the Manga Way and Yotsuba reading pack. I hope by the end of the 2 volumes and the end of my book I'll have enough experience to read the rest of Yotsuba without a guide.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:25:27 2018 No.18907403 >>18907377 Fuck off retard.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:26:17 2018 No.18907406 >>18905532 No, its much better to stroke yourself to kanji

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:33:44 2018 No.18907447 >>18905532 Stroke yourself with the kanji.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:43:59 2018 No.18907492 >>18907403 >>18907390 It actually took you weeks to read TK?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:46:45 2018 No.18907513 >>18907492 It does actually take a week or two to commit something the size of a short novel to memory.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:48:32 2018 No.18907525 Why can't I learn the language by frequenting sites and passively consuming media like last time?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:50:10 2018 No.18907537 >>18907513 >committing textbook grammar to memory Ah, ok. It was r*ddit. Just checking

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:51:20 2018 No.18907541 >>18907537 No, you're just retarded.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:52:02 2018 No.18907545 >>18907541 The red big dog.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:52:21 2018 No.18907548 File: 93 KB, 772x525, 1470864398991.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18907525

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:52:43 2018 No.18907550 >>18907525 You can.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:53:45 2018 No.18907556 >>18907537 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:54:34 2018 No.18907560 >>18907556 You can't even read

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:55:47 2018 No.18907569 >>18907560 I don't see "committing textbook grammar to memory" anywhere in the post you were responding to. Could you screenshot it for me?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 19:57:12 2018 No.18907574 >>18907525 Read. And read more. Manga, LNs, VNs, pick your poison. Just don't stop reading.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:04:32 2018 No.18907602 >>18907374 This, at least until chapter 6, you can drop it after that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:13:17 2018 No.18907635 >>18907574 That's great and all but manga isn't reading.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:14:30 2018 No.18907640 dont reply

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:15:33 2018 No.18907643 >>18907640 But the thread would die.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:20:59 2018 No.18907657 >>18907643 The thread will die anyway, since we already reached bump limit, but it is still on page 9

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:23:38 2018 No.18907664 >>18907657 Don't be autistic.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:23:55 2018 No.18907665

>>18907640
Reminder that more than 1/3 of this thread believes manga isn't reading. Porn comic books either. A better use of your time would be to get a job and sort your life out, and then maybe learn Japanese in order to not read whatever non-reading material you want to read.
https://www.strawpoll.me/15539035/r

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:24:47 2018 No.18907668 >>18907664 >telling the truth makes you the autist Wow, thanks for letting me know

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:27:27 2018 No.18907674 >>18907665 Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:31:28 2018 No.18907683 >>18907665 Unfortunately, I lied and answered "no" even though I think manga is reading. Others may have as well. Of course, I could be lying right now.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:32:07 2018 No.18907686

>>18907674
You people have some nerve. You force DJT to migrate to /jp/, and then you try to exclude half the thread who don't care about comic books or 2d porn simply because you must love those things to be part of your sekret klub. Well fuck you, that's why we were put on /int/, not /jp/. So you'll have to accept that we're also here and a huge part of this thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:33:46 2018 No.18907691 >>18907683 >Everyone who voted contrary to my beliefs obviously voted mistakenly You sound like a certain type of people back in November 2016.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:34:10 2018 No.18907693 >>18907686 Incredibly confusing post.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:35:33 2018 No.18907695 >>18907686 Dude, didn't you hear the news? The /int/ thread is back. We can finally go back there and never come to /jp/ again.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:36:35 2018 No.18907701

>>18907693
DJT is for people who want to learn the language for diverse reasons, such as for jobs, for talking with natives, to jerk off to 2d porn like some incel, etc. That's why mods put us on /int/ originally, since it accommodates all those topics. But now that we're on /jp/, some people are trying to force anyone who doesn't like comic books or 2d porn out of this thread for having "normie interests" with the language. It's madness.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:37:50 2018 No.18907704 >>18907695 It won't last, not while the community is split, since /int/ is too fast.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:39:45 2018 No.18907714 >>18907704 The thread is four days old and about to hit bump limit. All our friends are waiting for us. Let's go.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:40:42 2018 No.18907715 >>18907701 Then move back to the /int/ thread? It's still alive over there, if I'm not mistaken

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:43:40 2018 No.18907725 File: 544 KB, 818x1200, 1523480278243.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:44:09 2018 No.18907726 >>18907701 Nobody's forcing anybody to like weeb shit, you're schizophrenic.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:44:51 2018 No.18907727 These threads are a complete fucking joke. Thank fuck for the /int/ version being alive again

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:45:32 2018 No.18907731 >>18907727 Ok

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:47:01 2018 No.18907734 >>18907727 I hate /int/, I'm too shy to have my country flag displayed.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:47:02 2018 No.18907735 >>18907725 >reddit memes Wow this place is going great. I'm starting to see why the /int/ thread is running strong over there, probably refugees from this trainwreck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:48:30 2018 No.18907741 >>18907734 There's no flagposting over there, everyone's cool and respectful, so no worries. It's way better knowing you're talking with an actual Japanese native rather than have your question rudely answered by anonymous Brazilians here.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:52:34 2018 No.18907756 >>18907741 Yeah but I live in a small country and if I say something dumb people can guess that I'm going to be the next poster with the same flag too. I can't believe I'm having social anxiety on an anonymous board.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:54:14 2018 No.18907764 >>18907756 No one cares if you are dumb there, unless you're going to be arrogant and insist that you're right despite evidence.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:55:43 2018 No.18907775 >>18907756 Well imagine when you're one out of 4 German flags, and another German flags acts like an idiot, then everyone thinks every German is an idiot. You're better off being the sole bearer of your flag and manage its reputation by yourself.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:57:00 2018 No.18907783 >>18907756 People on the /int/ thread are not rude like the people here. You're allowed to be wrong and you don't get insulted for it over there. It's comfy as fuck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:57:42 2018 No.18907787 >>18907764 That's not the point, having a unusual flag there automatically identifies you, every single frequent poster there has a mental profile of you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:58:42 2018 No.18907794 >>18907665 And 2/3 think it is. Your fucking point?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 20:59:04 2018 No.18907797 >>18907787 And? I am one of those but it doesn't bother me at all.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:00:43 2018 No.18907802

>>18907701
>such as for jobs, for talking with natives, to jerk off to 2d porn like some incel, etc. That's why mods put us on /int/ originally, since it accommodates all those topics.
Wrong.
It was moved off /a/ because of your normalfaggotry blogposting. And now with the split between people learning it solely for the selfish consumption of media on here, and all you extroverted faggots on /int/ we can see which population is larger and by extension, who the invaders were.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:01:17 2018 No.18907806 I bet this /int/ /djt/ shill is Canadian.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:01:31 2018 No.18907810 >>18907797 It feels like reddit.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:02:32 2018 No.18907817 >>18907756 the /int/ thread actually has helpful faggots and people in general interested in learning japanese anon. people don't give a shit about flags in those threads surprisngly.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:06:01 2018 No.18907826

>>18907802
Both threads have roughly the same amount of posters. It's simply that /int/'s DJT hasn't been up a lot these days because it's hard to keep it up when there's a lot of new thread being made, which is a problem you don't have here.
Also, it got moved off of /a/ because it's a language learning thread and it belongs on /int/. You realize you can discuss comic books and 2d incel porn on /int/ too right? No reason to be on /jp/ at all.
>>18907810
It's less reddit than the DJT here. They actually discuss the language over there, and you can post questions without being told off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:08:59 2018 No.18907839 Fucking leafposters falseflagging like people don't give a shit about flags. We get it -- you're so brainwashed on liberalism and globalist agenda that you're too blind to see the thread balkanism before your very eyes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:09:17 2018 No.18907840 >>18907806 >/djt/ You're a newfag, so I'd listen to some Canadian /int/ shill over some redditor like you.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:09:43 2018 No.18907843 >>18907826 >You realize you can discuss comic books and 2d incel porn on /int/ too right? No, I like the split. It keeps your kind contained.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:11:09 2018 No.18907852

/int/ djt in a nutshell
- people with bad japanese shitposting in japanese
- frogposting
- people blaming classical japanese for dialectal things
- people blaming dialects for classical japanese things
- people who are actually crazy that share a discord forcing shit on the thread
- people answering questions with dictionary links for self esteem
- people shitposting about normies and getting their lives together
- people giving incorrect answers to questions and not even getting called out, let alone corrected

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:11:33 2018 No.18907854 >>18907839 Congratulations, you win the autistic paranoid of the year award. You people keep accusing /int/ of flagposting, yet all the flagposting I see going on is over here. Why did you guys want to be on this flagless board instead of /int/ again?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:12:36 2018 No.18907860 >>18907826 It got moved from /a/ because the moderators think they know better. Same reason sadpanda has become a shithole on the s/h/ithole board after it got moved to its 'proper' place.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:12:40 2018 No.18907862 >>18907839 ? Just look at the active /int/ thread and see how there is no shitposting about flags.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:12:45 2018 No.18907864 >>18907843 >your kind muh high school clique bullshit

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:14:24 2018 No.18907873

>>18907854
>all the flagposting I see going on is over here

>Huh, now that you mention it. /luso/ is still up so at least hiro didn't rangeban brazil (as he should for Australia)
>>there are still people who don't want to rangeban Canada
>The /jp/ thread has a few obsessive shitposters who often clash with each other. Mainly the Canadian who believes that manga isn't reading, the American who believes the opposite of everything the Canadian believes, and jamal. Their threads would probably get half as many posts without these three gentlemen.
>And unlike /jp/ we don't really have resident shitposters unless you count the Aussie spammer but he hasn't poster in forever.
>We had RTK Aussie way back but I still don't know where he went.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:14:26 2018 No.18907874 >>18907862 I see enough echochambering from leafposters about how their thread is so much better than /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:14:50 2018 No.18907876 >>18907727 Go back there then.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:16:28 2018 No.18907889 >>18907873 Raise your hand if you're one of the people who believes the opposite of whatever the "manga isn't reading" shitposter believes!

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:17:43 2018 No.18907898

>>18907854
>Why did you guys want to be on this flagless board instead of /int/ again?
Because I'm not an extroverted faggot that craves human attention, needs a billion friends, desperately searches for the upvote button and needs near constant recognition for vapid academic scorecard results.
You have a board all to yourself with about 6 other people. Shoo

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:21:04 2018 No.18907923 You're on /jp/ - Otaku Culture Don't like it? Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:22:58 2018 No.18907933 >>18907923 This

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:23:57 2018 No.18907937 [DELETED]

>>18907898
So you people only petitioned for the thread to be allowed on /jp/ because you're incels who jerk off to cartoons and you reeee at normies for making better life choices? The split has less to do with the language and more to do with high school bullshit it seems. Also there are75 posters on the /int/ thread, compared to 100 here with 150 more posts. The community is pretty much split 50/50.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:25:22 2018 No.18907941 >>18907923 Only because you split the community. Also, the thread being here is a special temporary permission which can be revoked at any time, just like the thread when it was on /a/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:25:24 2018 No.18907942 >>18907937 >only petitioned for the thread to be allowed on /jp/ because you're incels who jerk off to cartoons and you reeee at normies for making better life choices? Exactly. Fuck off

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:25:55 2018 No.18907946 Get it all out before the next thread 同士達

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:27:30 2018 No.18907952 >>18907941 No one split the community. The /int/ thread was never disallowed. People come here because they want to be here and not on /int/. You're the only one who wastes your time on a place you hate.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:27:33 2018 No.18907955 Stop shitting up our thread and fuck off back to /int/ already.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:28:36 2018 No.18907959 File: 10 KB, 250x243, 1509921287176.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >と思う

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:29:46 2018 No.18907965 >>18907959 >I think

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:30:03 2018 No.18907966

>>18907942
That's pretty pathetic. It's really sad that half the community followed you spastic retards instead of sticking with the thread on /int/. How could people ever think that following you childish retards here would ever result in quality threads is beyond me.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:31:30 2018 No.18907972

>>18907952
This /jp/ DJT was actively deleted and not permitted to be here until the retard Brazilian and Aussie petitioned the mods to let it be here, and it worked. After that, half the community started coming here instead of staying on the /int/ thread, which because of the speed of /int/, kept killing the thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:31:47 2018 No.18907973 >>18907966 >Waaah why do people not like what I like You're the fucking child here. Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:32:42 2018 No.18907976 https://archive.whatisthisimnotgoodwithcomputers.com/int/search/text/jp%20djt/country/CA/ Reminder that arguing with mentally ill people like this means that you are part of the problem.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:32:47 2018 No.18907977 >>18907972 The person who actually got this thread to not be deleted was a japanese avatarfag who wanted DJT off /int/ because they considered it competition for the Japanese Thread.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:32:55 2018 No.18907978 >>18907972 And how does that change the fact that everyone but you is here because they'd rather be here?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:34:12 2018 No.18907984 >>18907972 People came here because they wanted to come here. You know, because they have different interests that you do. Stop wasting yours and our time here and fuck off back to your own thread please.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:35:29 2018 No.18907988

>>18907977
>japanese avatarfag
No, imouto was always a Finn with a proxy. Also, it just goes to show how cancerous the autists here are, since they mass reported imouto and got him banned once this thread was established. They lash out at anything, just like children.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:35:34 2018 No.18907989 >>18907966 I just don't want to argue about something which we have already done several times. There are people who do not want to be part of /int/. I don't care how you view the retards

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:36:18 2018 No.18907993 >>18907988 Anon, it was someone from the Japanese Thread with an identity unrelated to DJT. Not finnie.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:36:28 2018 No.18907995 File: 34 KB, 403x394, 1510694263494.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18907937 >you're incels who jerk off to cartoons

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:37:30 2018 No.18908000 >>18907972 >retard Brazilian and Aussie petitioned Who did you say doesn't care about flagposting again?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:38:34 2018 No.18908003 >>18908000 /int/ doesn't care. And the post you quoted demonstrates my point perfectly. All flagposting always happens here, not on /int/.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:39:02 2018 No.18908006

I've been trying to learn the Japanese language (日本語) for a two years. Over the years I had an app called "Dr. Moku" and I had learned Hiragana through that and I had it basically memorized. In the past two months I finally got it together and atleast once a week I'd do a few lessons on Duolingo. Through these lessons I would write down the Hiragana - Romaji - English for anything that popped up, even if I had written 100 times. I feel fairly confident when writing Hiragana and if someone asked me how to write anything (In Hiragana) I would be able to. Though now that I am comfortable with Hiragana I would love to learn vocab and grammar. I can write it and read it but I don't know what I'm writing and reading if that makes sense. Yes of course I know basic stuff but things past, おはよう、こんにちは、おやすみ、日本人、先生, etc. So, if anyone here had any success with learning grammar/vocab learning I would love to know all your secrets and the way that worked best for you. I appreciate anything you have to offer!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:40:57 2018 No.18908013 >>18908003 See >>18907873

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:42:02 2018 No.18908021

Back in about 2013 I started learning Japanese with my main goal being to understand anime without the subtitles with a grander aim being to one day live in Japan.

I self-studied on and off for a couple years, and by maybe mid 2015 I could form decent は and が sentences, use a lot of verbs, write full kana and new about 30 kanji. Unfortunately, after that I just kinda... stopped completely. Losing interest in anime was one of the big reasons for this, as I now had pretty much no interesting way to test my Japanese skills. I know no one else who is studying the language and I really wasn't the best conversation partner when using HelloTalk.

It's now that I've decided I really want to get back into studying Japanese again. My main motivation now is just to give me something productive to do rather than sit here and play video games all day. I'm just not entirely sure how I want to restart my studies.

Right now I feel I can recall: * All the hiragana. * Some katakana. * Maybe only 10 or so kanji. * Very basic vocab.

I was considering either:

a. Skimming through the stuff in the books that I've already covered to refresh myself.

b. Start completely anew and go through everything from the books thoroughly.

What do you guys think?

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:42:03 2018 No.18908020

>>18907988
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/68253249/#68266050
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/68271161/#68289161
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/68387395/#68387727
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/68716663/#68716663
https://desuarchive.org/int/thread/68730547/#68733508
Are you going to say that Pantsuya is Finnie now?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:42:29 2018 No.18908023 >>18908006 Grammar guide, and other resources [http://djtguide.neocities.org/].

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:43:04 2018 No.18908028

Hey guys! こんにちはです。

So, I've been learning Japanese (Nihongo) for 3 years now... 1 year self study and 2 years in uni. And i feel like the kanjis are just not sticking with me. What should I try to memorize them for more then a week? I now about 100-120 kanjis already and can read basic material in romanji and a little bit in hiragana.

My current learning method:

Just go to Japanese websites and write down kanjis i see there.

Try to guess the reading without looking up... I don't get it correct most of the time :(

Look up the reading and write it down in romanji, hiragana and katanakana 3-5 times until i remember it.

Beat myself on the mouth after I forget it in 7 days (＞﹏＜)

What can I do to improve my learning? I want to be fluid in Japanese in 5-10 years, is that a reasonable expectation? And is it even possible to read easy mangas by learning yourself (without taking a class)?

Advice would be much appreciated, thanks!

共ありがとうございましたです。

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:43:30 2018 No.18908030 >you're all incel beating off to cartoons, worthless losers >but please come to int! english word of the day: desperation

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:43:35 2018 No.18908032 "caring enough about reddit that you have an addon that converts copy pasted reddit posts to markdown"

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:44:08 2018 No.18908035 >all this redditposting You should visit >>>/int/djt. They need you :)

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:44:31 2018 No.18908037

I just received my JLPT N4 results, failed by 2 points. I am not so upset about the test specifically, but it has confirmed some things I have been thinking for a while.

I am 24 and living in Chicago, my dream has been to move to Japan since I was a about 11 years old. About 6 years ago I started seriously learning Japanese, took my first college class, even though I had already learned Hiragana and Katakana from a young age. I sailed through 2 years in college without doing much HW because it was all just so easy. I have a great memory for nouns. After getting out of school I realized that I had to start to learn how to study so I decided to start to study for the JLPT because it would be a goal every year that I could see my progress. I failed my first year N5, by 30 some points. I thought I was ready but I relied too much on class information and just didn't study enough. then I kinda got in a rut and although I studied some, I really didn't commit to Japanese for a while. I probably tried to do at least 15 minutes a day but I wasn't really working hard at it at all.

Flash forward a couple years and I had started to study again, passed the N5 and was feeling good about life. 2011 was me hitting my stride. I had finally learned how to study. I did Rosetta Stone, got the Japanese TV channel and watched as much as I could, downloaded dramas, got through the entire Basic Japanese Grammar book, tried to read children's books, got a lang-8 account and started writing journals at least once a week, started Anki, read Common Japanese Collocations, got the Tobira book and started it, picked up some manga, got a Japanese exchange student, started speaking only Japanese with my husband in public. I was pretty much AJATT. I am not going to say I did great at all these things, but I definitely tried. I think I tried everything because a lot of things didn't work too well for me. So I wasn't the best student, but I was doing Japanese at LEAST an hour a day.

So October 2011 rolls around and I decide I need to start studying for the JLPT N4. I did nothing but study for the JLPT so long, my brain actually hurt every day. I did practice tests, worked on grammar, bought a couple of listening books and studied specifically for that test for 2 straight months.

I just received my results, I failed. I only failed by 2 points, but it made me realize that I actually guessed on almost every question on the test. I could not understand the listening at all!

So here I am, I have put 6 years or more of my life into this language, I have worked my ass off, I even have definite plans to move to Japan April 2013 to join a language school with my husband for a year. We already have 1/3 of the money saved up. And I feel like maybe I am just too stupid to learn this language. I have tried so hard and I just keep failing. We just made friends with a Japanese couple and I can't understand anything they say, I am defaulting to my husband just to be able to converse with them. Plus its super hard to watch him pick up the language with ease and pass all the tests with flying colors.

So I guess I need some help. I am ready to just give up the language completely, but I have no idea what that will do to my life and my relationships (I have already told my whole family I am moving to Japan) Should I just give up? Is there anyway I could pull myself back up and continue with it when I have failed so may times before? I have poured so much blood sweat and tears into this language!! I am sorry for the long post but I really need some help! (Please don't respond with a がんばれ！or "you can do it!" that's really not what I need right now...

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:45:50 2018 No.18908043 Man this thread went to shit

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:46:00 2018 No.18908044

Hello, I have taken Japanese lessons for around a year and a half. I am familiar with Hiragana and Katakana although I do have to think about it for a moment with some of them.

We have covered basically all of the Japanese For Busy People book 1, although we don't always use it. So I understand -te form and it's uses and the use of adjectives.

I was thinking that Genki text book and workbook might be the best way to further improve with some self study along with the Kanji Look and Learn book. I feel like a need to learn Kanji and build up my vocabulary since I still find I am unable to read Japanese.

Is there anything else I can do? Or any other recommendations, I feel a bit overwhelmed with it all and I'm a bit unsure how to go about it at the moment.

Thank you for your help.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:47:39 2018 No.18908053 >>18908043 >went to Oh you made a mistake, I think you meant "is always". No worries, it's a common mistake.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:48:12 2018 No.18908057

I haven't studied Japanese for about 6 months now. Everytime I want to start I get stressed out: it's as if I'm choking!

I've studied Japanese for 2.5 years almost every day and today I found out I barely passed my JLPT N5 so I decided to pick up learning Japanese again. However when I read about others who passed their N5 after a couple of months of study it feels like I'm choking! I also have no idea what to study next which causes that choking feeling to become even stronger. Has anyone ever experienced the same thing? How do I stop this feeling? I want to study Japanese so bad but I have no idea where to start anymore... Should I just quit? Thinking about quiting also gives me this choking feeling but will that make it stop by not thinking about it anymore?

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:48:41 2018 No.18908058 [DELETED]

>>18907873
I'm not Canadian, and it's certainly not only me who understands that manga isn't reading. I'm not even the one who originally called people out for thinking manga is reading, I've just taken the torch from the original anon from the /a/ thread since he stopped.
Jamal also just recently came back, and the thread has been on an irreversible downfall since before his return.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:49:19 2018 No.18908062 >>18908058 Not my posts my man, take it up with /int/.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:49:52 2018 No.18908064 >>18908023 Looks good, thanks!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:50:21 2018 No.18908066 >>18908058 Don't bother explaining to him that more than one person disagrees with him. He just lumps in every post he doesn't like into the "Canadian boogeyman" category. He seems very sound of mind.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:53:38 2018 No.18908079 >>18908066 >>18908058 See >>18908062. That's not his post. These posts are from the current /int/djt thread

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 21:57:27 2018 No.18908099 whatever the board. Reddit pasting deserves an instant permanent ban

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:01:57 2018 No.18908121 >>18908062 >>18908079 Oh, didn't realize they were direct quotes from that shithole and thought it was just one idiot.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:02:17 2018 No.18908123 >>18908099 And the censoring witch hunt continues. I can't wait until the only thing we're allowed to post on here is one word replies, like some dystopian nightmare.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:02:57 2018 No.18908128 File: 27 KB, 355x364, Alice.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18908066 You know the beauty of anonymity means that you can easily mistake someone for someone else. Like right now.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:04:24 2018 No.18908135 >>18908128 Yeah and that guy who thinks everyone he hates is Canadian. We wouldn't have these problems on /int/, now would we?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:04:41 2018 No.18908138 >>18908123 this

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:07:07 2018 No.18908149 File: 317 KB, 1348x1243, 1523439257013.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18908123 preach it brother!

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:07:20 2018 No.18908151 >>18908123 >>18908138 So, wanting to ban spammers who posts questions from reddit which won't help the original OP is somehow censoring?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:08:16 2018 No.18908155 >>18907852 -People who are ゲイ

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:08:43 2018 No.18908159 >>18908151 Why are you replying, retard?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:09:46 2018 No.18908165 >>18908159 The thread will die anyway, it won't make a difference, would it?

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:10:09 2018 No.18908169 [SPOILER]

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>>18908135
>Who thinks everyone he hates is Canadian.

No. I visited their thread and the people most noticeably talking about THIS thread in regards to how their thread is more 'normie' and less 'incel' were Leafshitters. Why would I hate every Leaf anyway? I'm one myself. The guy who pancaked 10 people earlier this week did that not far from where I live too.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:10:52 2018 No.18908172 >>18908165 I'll just assume you're replying to yourself.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:13:47 2018 No.18908193

>>18907852
/jp/ djt in a nutshell
- people who reddit paste
- people who meme 3k word before reading
- people who post ゲイ
- people who insult others for asking questions
- people who don't have jobs and who disappoint their parents
- people replying "read more" to everything
- people who shill RTK
- people who shill AJATT

Yeah, /jp/ is way less cancerous. You sure showed us.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:15:26 2018 No.18908202 >>18908169 >he's a Toronto pajeet It all makes sense now.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:16:06 2018 No.18908208

Alright, I'm just gonna ask it

I don't get this sentence:
>誰も言わないでいてくれているみたいだけれど
Context: a girl confessed to a boy, got rejected, then the next day visited the boy's classroom. This is from the girl's perspective. I am befuddled by the verb. Let me show you my working.

>言わないでいてくれているみたいだけれど
>みたいだけれど
that's みたい, "looks like" and だけれど, "but", yeah? So "but it looks like".

>言わないでいてくれている
>てくれている
That's a te-iru form of te-kurete construction, which means some outsider is "giving an act" or doing something for some insider, maybe the speaker.

>言わないでいて
Shouldn't it be 言わなくて? Is this te-iru form of 言わない?

If so, the entire verb, "言わないでいてくれているみたいだけれど", in very clunky English, is "but it looks like [boy] had given [me] the act of not saying/telling/speaking [it]"? Or in a slightly more smooth English, "but it looks like he hadn't said it"?

Thank you for any help.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:17:00 2018 No.18908214 >>18908208 Fuck off with your reddit posting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:18:07 2018 No.18908225 >>18908208 It's not the boy who's doing the favor of not saying anything, it's "everyone".

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:19:01 2018 No.18908233 >>18908202 Shit, son. I said Toronto, not Brampton.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:27:36 2018 No.18908269

>>18908208
言わないで　＝　without saying, it doesn't have to do with the て form... think of it like a regular で, in other words, by way of not saying, with not saying sort of thing.
誰も言わないで = without anyone saying
so, 言わないで isn't the main verb of the sentence, it really just describes the context of the following shit.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:28:11 2018 No.18908272

>>18908214
Ah, sorry, I tried to make it easier to read, and I'd thought showing my working step-by-step is more kosher than just asking "yo what does this moonrune mean"

>>18908225
Eh? Hmm. I think I'm still confused. So the sentence is actually "but it looks like everyone is not saying anything" or "but it looks like no one is saying anything"? So the girl's commenting on the class atmosphere and not the boy? Damn. Got it wrong again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:35:37 2018 No.18908320 File: 620 KB, 1680x1050, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I like this woman

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:37:08 2018 No.18908332

>>18908269
Ah so instead of "言わない in te-iru" + "te-kureteiru",
it's "言わない" + "で" + "いてくれている"? What does いてくれている mean, then? It's a te-iru of いてくれて, which is in itself いる + てくれて? Fuck, I don't even know what いてくれて could mean. "Giving me an act of being [there]"? "[subject is] there [for me]"?

I feared this, that I don't actually understand what I thought I understand. I have to study more. Thanks, anon.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:39:09 2018 No.18908339 >>18908320 Resting bitch face, dropped. Nothing like my sweet takepan-chan. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTps3iylJso

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:39:39 2018 No.18908340 >>18908320 >327 on ublock what the fuck youtube

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:46:44 2018 No.18908374

>>18908332
Yeah I think that is correct... I don't know the context so I'm not entirely sure but I think it's something along the lines of what we might say in english "everyone pretended it didn't happen"
You might take some time to read through tae kim again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:53:51 2018 No.18908423 >>18908340 Botnet is real. Wake up dude.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:54:19 2018 No.18908426 >>18908374 Yeah, you might be right. I've been too busy anki-ing vocab recently, I might need to brush up on the Fucking Basics (tm) again.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 22:59:02 2018 No.18908454 >>18908426 the DoJG deck is good for that

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:11:36 2018 No.18908534

I can't seem to find any resources that work with my current level of knowledge. I honestly don't know too much, but I'm not an absolute beginner, either. I've been able to fluently read Hiragana and Katakana for a year now, and I've picked up some kanji. I've started Anki, but it seems like whenever I try to read a simple children's story I'm completely lost. The vocabulary I'm learning in Anki is useful but it seems like childrens stories use simpler words than what I'm studying. I've searched for a good resource for months, but can't seem to find much of anything that actually explains text to me rather than just giving translations. I think what I'm struggling with is grammar.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:15:30 2018 No.18908559 >>18908534 It looks like a reddit post... but google doesn't return anything

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:16:03 2018 No.18908565
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>>18908534
>actually explains text to me rather than just giving translations
Did the Japanese readers from CoR not help at all? Try "Reading Japanese with a Smile". Stories are short and the explanations are well, see pic related.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:21:06 2018 No.18908604 >>18908559 It's certainly not original.

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:27:12 2018 No.18908657

I retardedly convinced myself the reason I wasn't enjoying manga and VNs whilst enjoying some anime was because it was all in English and decided to learn Japanese because of this. 2 years after and I am still not enjoying any manga or VNs besides Yuru Yuri.

What are some other practical uses for Japanese? I don't want to feel like my studying so far was a waste.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:27:40 2018 No.18908660 >>18908565 >"Reading Japanese with a Smile" It's not in the CoR. Are you sure that's where you found it?

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:33:32 2018 No.18908702 >>18908657 You probably only tried a couple things and got unlucky. I dislike 90% of manga and VNs and novels, but it's still worth it for the 10%. Just drop things more ruthlessly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:33:35 2018 No.18908703 >>18908660 w-where else would i download japanese language learning books in that mediocre a quality my dude It's within the "Japanese Readers" link: https://mega.nz/#F!i8kCXYqa!_IOb4OSXcjO1aj_3ZmXnYQ

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:39:57 2018 No.18908745 >>18908703 Thanks mate

Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:42:56 2018 No.18908763

>>18908745
Oh, I forgot to mention that the books's chapters are split into two parts: a 'raw part' with only the text and an 'commentary part' with the pic shown before.

However, the file in CoR is corrupted and shuffles the order of the chapters. After the cover, it starts in the middle of Chapter 7's commentary part. Just scroll through to either chapter 8 (it's not arranged by difficulty) or chapter 1.

>>	Anonymous Fri Apr 27 23:47:32 2018 No.18908794 >>18908763 面倒くさいな...I'll try to sort it out thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 00:14:19 2018 No.18908983 File: 32 KB, 984x321, Untitled.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18908534 >>18908559

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 00:14:34 2018 No.18908985 >>18908657 keep learning and become a translator.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:08:48 2018 No.18909664 >>18895226 I'm going camping for a week and it'll just be too inconvenient to study Anki every day. Can I freeze my deck or will I have to just deal with 1000 cards upon coming back?

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:38:32 2018 No.18909814 >>18907046 7 ½ years since I took it as class in school. But I didn't do much supplementary studies back then, so that was 100 kanji in 3 years. Had another downtime later.

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 02:40:25 2018 No.18909820 >>18907965 Yeah no, definitely not. Some sentences would come out horrible with that translation

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 03:20:32 2018 No.18909964 Please tell me how they "learn" Japanese for years and years on end without learning ANY kanji, how many times did they watch うんこちゃん？

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 03:23:17 2018 No.18909972 >>18909964 Who are you talking about

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 03:41:54 2018 No.18910032 >>18909972 reddit

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 03:52:37 2018 No.18910068 >>18909964 namasensei only knows 400 kanji and he lived there for 7 years

>>	Anonymous Sat Apr 28 04:00:53 2018 No.18910096 おはようおにいちゃんみぎてけがしたなおして

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