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Daily Japanese Thread DJT Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:44:56 No.18779076 [Reply] [Original]

This thread is for the discussion and learning of the Japanese language for people who want to consume untranslated otaku media.
If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.

Read the Guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
http://djtguide.neocities.org/
Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:47:28 No.18779087 bad hopカッコよすぎる https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4t8Fuk-SCQ

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:47:59 No.18779089 >>18767870 Thanks for posting this. I've been wondering about this exact story for a while but I've been too lazy to go back and look for it in the book.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:50:42 No.18779101 >密集方陣 What's a phalanx?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:53:04 No.18779110 >>18779101 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJ79TujhnQM

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:54:40 No.18779123 So I just met this word: 出撃 Seriously, what the FUCK is a sortie?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:55:23 No.18779126 What's the biggest "kanji compound" you know? For me it's 業務上過失致死傷

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:55:34 No.18779128 >>18779123 Someone who gets sorted, STUPID.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:55:59 No.18779134 >>18779128 that would be a sortee my ninja..

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:57:23 No.18779140 >>18779126 mines bigger 注意欠如多動性障害

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:58:53 No.18779148 >>18779087 >>18779110 >>18779134 kill yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 20:59:29 No.18779153 >>18779148 why

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:00:17 No.18779156 >>18779153 because this thread would be better off without your constant shitposting

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:01:29 No.18779164 >>18779156 take your own advice then and ill consider it after

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:01:46 No.18779166 >>18779156 It starts with an easily offended autist...

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:01:53 No.18779168 >>18779140 Hey nice

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:03:49 No.18779180 >>18779164 i have never shitposted here, unlike you faggot >>18779166 fuck off

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:04:53 No.18779185 >>18779180 what are you doing right now my ninja

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:06:21 No.18779196 time for another ritual banning

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:06:22 No.18779197 >>18779185 talking to a rampant shitposting cunt that thinks hes cool but in reality is pathetic

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:08:42 No.18779205 >>18779197 but you have that all entirely backwards because im a frequent good poster who doesnt think hes cool but in reality is adored by many

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:10:37 No.18779221 Oh, looks like someone is itching to make those ~400 posts that did not infect the last thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:11:12 No.18779223 >>18779205 get a trip and you can still be adored by many ;)

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:12:07 No.18779227

I think it would greatly improve this general if we made a new rule to give increasingly long bans to people who make grammatical mistakes in their Japanese sentences. This would improve the quality of the general and stop being a bad example for beginners where they pick up bad habits. Bans could start at 6 hours and double for every mistake.
/djt/の改善のために頑張りましょう！

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:13:40 No.18779240 >>18779227 わたしわ同意するます！

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:14:33 No.18779244 >>18779227 産生いたします

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:14:46 No.18779246 >>18779227 The biggest problem with this general isn't people writing grammatically incorrect sentences. If more people wrote Japanese it would be better. 違うか。

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:15:34 No.18779253 >>18779227 強く同感です英語はどうするんだいmy ninja..

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:17:45 No.18779268 >>18779227 あなたはゲイ

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:18:41 No.18779275 >>18779126 朝鮮民主主義人民共和国

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:19:28 No.18779281

Is the guide/resources page maintainer around? I seem to have fucked something up under the entry for Yomichan on the resources page, and Google Docs won't let me undo it and nothing I try fixes it.

I was trying to correct the fact that the font for the Yomichan entry was really thin compared to the text for all the other entries, so I highlighted the Yomichan section and set the style to standard text, but now the top line of text for the entry is all fucked up. Just looking at it you can tell that something is wrong (especially the bolded "Yomichan" bit where the link underline is horizontally off-set and the Y is not showing up as bold anymore), but when you put the cursor onto the top row of text it is showing up in the middle of the letters instead of before or after them now. It may or may not be related, but the Google Docs page started lagging the fuck out of my browser after I made the edit.

TL;DR - Can you cancel the edit I made to the Yomichan entry on the resources page?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:19:54 No.18779284 File: 6 KB, 36x87, x.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can someone tell me what this first kanji is? Google translate isn't picking it up.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:22:45 No.18779301 >>18779284 眷属(けんぞく):kin group, clan

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:24:36 No.18779310 >>18779301 Thanks, this one's definitely going into anki.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:25:36 No.18779314 >>18779197 Don't feed the troll, he wants replies. Just filter ninja and ignore the rest.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:28:01 No.18779330 File: 217 KB, 872x429, ni.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >うちに As family?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:28:26 No.18779336 >>18779126 天邇岐志国邇岐志天津日高日子番能邇邇芸命あめにぎしくににぎしあまつひこひこほのににぎのみこと (I memorized it once)

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:30:48 No.18779350 >>18779314 you shouldnt tell me that my shinobi

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:30:51 No.18779351 >>18779330 No. https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/entries/62.htm (2b)

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:31:54 No.18779360 >>18779330 No. https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/entries/62.htm (2c)

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:32:13 No.18779362 File: 32 KB, 887x244, dnwy1c.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18779284

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:32:27 No.18779363 >>18779330 wrong >うち >ある時間のなか。以内。あいだ。「一瞬のうちに消えた」「試合が二日のうちに迫る」「若いうちに苦労する」

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:35:42 No.18779377 >>18779362 I tried 4 times. Doesn't help I'm using a trackpad and don't know how to draw kanji to begin with. The top part kept coming out as a monstrosity.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:35:51 No.18779380 >>18779360 Is this a good book? I've been using "Japanese Sentence Patterns for Effective Communication: A Self-Study Course and Reference" by Taeko Kamiya, but it looks like the book you linked might have exercises/be easier to look stuff up in.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:36:29 No.18779386 File: 8 KB, 433x304, 眷.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18779284 It's picking it up though.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:36:53 No.18779389 >>18779380 hjgp doesn't have exercises, but it's easy to look stuff up in

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:43:36 No.18779431 >>18779360 >>18779363 Thanks, guys.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:45:20 No.18779441 >>18779380 >>18779431 I recommend grabbing the DoJG deck from the guide as well. Pretty useful.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:48:17 No.18779456 >>18779380 I haven't used it too extensively, but the few entries I've read were good. The Dictionary of Japanese Grammar books have also been indexed here, btw: https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:50:33 No.18779475 Do you guys know of any good Japanese sites for manga reviews and stuff like that?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:50:59 No.18779478 >>18779475 just view the reviews on amazon, they're biased but so is everywhere

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:53:51 No.18779501 I'm not sure liar/railsoft's games are harder than Muramasa. I mean I'm reading Sharnoth and it's basically eazi.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:55:03 No.18779507 File: 68 KB, 620x556, 5602477i.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 新スレおめでとー、でも私はすでにねむいです。また明日。(。-ω-)zzz.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:57:23 No.18779526 >>18779507 またね。

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:57:38 No.18779529 >>18779507 働いたら

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 21:59:15 No.18779538 >>18779507 いかないでもっとあそぼうよ

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:02:32 No.18779557 glad that ojt poster is gone now but did linking the previous thread have to go too?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:03:17 No.18779562 >>18779557 numbers and thread links are one of the things the OJT spammer was holding against this thread

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:03:47 No.18779564
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Here's an interesting idea I've had recently in regards to language learning... Does anyone feel like it's really geared towards programmers? At first I thought it was just in my head. Oh yeah, I'm a programmer, so I must be subconsciously clicking on video guides which happen to be made by other programmers. I must be seeking out the best learning tools, which are of course made by other programmers, as who else would have the ingenuity to make those things? But that isn't it entirely. There are so many Japanese learners who are software engineers and programmers, probably more so than any other profession. But then again... It makes sense, doesn't it? If I and most programmers can learn another programming language effortlessly in a matter of hours, than learning to speak a language should be an easy task as well. We chose Japanese, because, let's face it, most of us programmers are massive nerds. Nothing's wrong with that, but it's true. We all love Japanese anime, food, and porn. And programmers, well, we are usually the dedicated type. To work on a project every day for 5 months is the definition of dedication. So we start learning Japanese, and it isn't as easy as we thought it would be, but we enjoy it; we nerds enjoy our challenges. And since we started learning it and saw the challenge, well, just like programming, we might as well continue! Maybe it's just me, but as they say, where there's smoke, there's fire.....

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:04:42 No.18779567 政治用語がわからねえ

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:05:33 No.18779573 >>18779562 There could be a link to the archive to look at previous threads. That's not related to numbering nor directly linking threads.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:08:05 No.18779587 >>18779507 おやすみ、幼女ちゃん

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:10:00 No.18779591 What the fuck is wrong with thread numbers and thread links?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:10:33 No.18779594 >>18779567 わかんなければ見るだけで勉強 >>18779573 i dunno man, they could change theirs so the search query doesn't work on it anymore

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:14:12 No.18779615

>>18779564
I don't think natural languages have anything at all to do with programming languages, and they work completely differently and require completely different studying techniques.
Then again, I'm also a programmer, so maybe there is a connection between Japanese learners and programmers.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:14:37 No.18779617 >>18779591 autists randomly decide inconsequential things are wrong and then invest maximal emotional energy into forcing that onto others

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:18:28 No.18779645 >>18779617 its a lot easier than providing nihongo content to the thread

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:19:01 No.18779650 >>18779615 i'd say it's a connection between being on the cutting edge of society and being interested in high culture even if it's foreign

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:22:18 No.18779664 >>18779456 Thanks. Guess it's finally time for me to fall for the anki meme.

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:27:18 No.18779683

>>18779615

I do think there is some sort of tenuous connection between *reading* code and natural language. People who can fluently read code are usually extremely skilled programmers, top 1% at least.

The way I see it, you could describe the state of programming as everyone speaking their own private dialect that others aren't familiar with. The people who can readily understand another persons fucked up dialect has to be very very very comfortable parsing the literal effects of various statements to be able to see the bigger picture and figure out what the person was actually trying to do. They also have to have a huge wealth of experience (i.e. been there done that) to be able to understand the intent.

Or, put another way, imagine a world where everyone could talk but only a select few could listen.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:29:04 No.18779692 >>18779564 >>18779615 https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/88hj5x/odd_amount_of_programmers_who_learn_japanese/

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:29:43 No.18779696 >>18779692 >linking reddit

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:32:57 No.18779710 >>18779696 >posting actual reddit posts

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:33:04 No.18779711 >>18779683 >People who can fluently read code are usually extremely skilled programmers Well obviously, considering how both are the result of having a lot of programming experience.

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:33:17 No.18779714

>>18779564
I see where you're coming from with the language thing, but real languages aren't exactly the same as learning a new programming language. I'm not a programmer but I have to do a lot of programming as part of my school curriculum/subject choices, and while I'm not saying it's easy by any stretch of the imagination, learning a new language is definitely a lot more difficult. Maybe there are some more advanced things that differ greatly between programming languages, but most of the time they all follow the same sort of flow, with just syntax changing. The iteration/selection processes, functions, file handling is very similar, just having to write slightly different functions to call upon.

Now you could say that this is literally what real life languages are like, since they all contain roughly the same stuff just with 'different syntax'. Well with Japanese, that's certainly not the case. It contains the same stuff as all other languages I guess, as in, you can convey equally as deep/meaningful/scientific topics in Japanese as you can in English and other languages, but the mindset of thinking in Japanese from thinking in most European languages is hugely different.

I guess the point about determination is true though. My thoughts are just that if your first claim was true then surely there'd be tons of native English-speaking programmers with French/Spanish/German under their belt, so I definitely feel like it's something else that would draw programmers to Japanese.

My guess would be that an underlying variable, namely the personality traits and type of person who would be drawn to a career in programming is also the type of person who would enjoy consuming Japanese media (anime) and then if they're a programmer, they're likely a disciplined person like you said (or if not, they would have learnt discipline quickly) and would be drawn to learning Japanese and sticking with it.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:34:23 No.18779721 >>18779710 I didn't post it, and I don't browse reddit to know it was a reddit post (although I can't find it in the linked thread).

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:39:24 No.18779744 [DELETED]

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>>18779076
>This thread is for the discussion and learning of the Japanese language for people who want to consume untranslated otaku media.
>If you have no interest in otaku media or want to request a translation, this is not the thread for you.
Ban-evading autist is back again.

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:39:55 No.18779747

>>18779721
Oh, it was a bit different. It felt thoroughly like a reddit post from the beginning though (I was not the one who posted the link and I was not aware that a similar post existed on reddit). Anyway, if you object to linking to reddit, why not recognize that making reddit posts on 4chan isn't worse?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:42:30 No.18779759 >>18779744 This has always been the case, otherwise there is no reason for the split. You can go on >>>/int/djt if you don't like it here.

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:43:28 No.18779766

>why not recognize that making reddit posts on 4chan isn't worse?
added: the implication being that you objected to the wrong thing with >>18779696, as though if reddit hadn't been linked to then things would have been okay, even though reddit is otherwise already here and is rather being pointed out as such, i.e. that link is more beneficial in this case than anything.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:43:48 No.18779767 >>18779744 He's quite the coward. Won't even follow through.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:43:54 No.18779768 >>18779744 That text was there fucking forever ago. Go away.

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:44:58 No.18779773

>>18770925
>と言いたいところだが the new Firefox is pretty bad.
Tell me about it. Whenever I open a new tab, Firefox maxes out every single core on my CPU. If I'm not careful and open too many tabs at once, very quickly my computer will shut itself down to avoid damage from all the heat being generated.

Pretty much the whole time I have Firefox open now, my PC gets noisy as fuck from all the fan activity.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:45:32 No.18779775 >>18779747 >>18779766 Because unlike you, I don't browse reddit to know what a reddit post feels like.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:45:45 No.18779778 >>18779759 >>18779768 Nice try OJT poster but everyone sees through you.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:46:01 No.18779779 >>18779768 >>/jp/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=This+thread+is+for+the+discussion+and+learning+of+the+Japanese+language+for+people+who+want+to+consume+untranslated+otaku+media..

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:46:47 No.18779782 >>18779775 That said, I do agree that the post felt off and poorly worded. But I overlooked that.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:46:49 No.18779783 >>18779779 >>/jp/?task=search&ghost=yes&search_text=If+you+have+no+interest+in+otaku+media+

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:49:19 No.18779790 >>18779773 What does ところ mean in the sentence you quoted? I know it usually means "place" but I don't think it does in that context.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:49:34 No.18779794 >>18779783 Last thread before this one to use that text in the OP was in September last year, yet suddenly and mysteriously it appears once again alongside your "otaku" OP autism. What a coincidence, eh? You aren't fooling anyone. Enjoy your ban.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:50:27 No.18779799 >>18779794 Sorry that you're so new you don't recognize something from only a few months ago. I'm not OP, you're just paranoid.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:52:30 No.18779810 >>18779775 You don't have to given that the autist posts this shit in DJT regularly. You have to be a bit slow to not notice how out of place it is.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:53:20 No.18779817 >>18779782 Next time you object to reddit because everyone else does, know that in a concrete example it's posts like that one is what others want to avoid in doing so.

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:54:34 No.18779828 [DELETED]

>>18779799
>a few months ago
It was more than half a year ago.

I usually don't even bother reading the OPs anyway because there's no point. I see "DJT", open the thread and skip straight to the replies. Sorry for not memorizing your months-old inane, autistic bullshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:55:21 No.18779832 >>18779828 Do you know what few means? >Sorry for not memorizing your months-old inane, autistic bullshit. That used to be the normal OP text, dude.

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>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:55:56 No.18779838 >>18779828 So why are you being a fucking bitch crying about OP text that has every reason to be there if you don't even read it anyway? Just fuck off and stop polluting the thread.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:56:34 No.18779840 >>18779838 this thread itself is pollution and must be cleansed

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:57:09 No.18779842 What is Yotsuba's problem? Is she mentally ill?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:57:19 No.18779845 >>18779790 Why not? "This is the place where I want to say ~, but..."

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:57:21 No.18779846 >>18779832 Well you clearly don't, ESL-kun.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:57:29 No.18779847 >>18779842 she's a young child

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:58:22 No.18779850 >>18779838 A soon as you fuck off and stop ban evading.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:58:27 No.18779852 >>18779842 Isn't she like 5 years old?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:58:31 No.18779853 >>18779842 its not her thats mentally ill but the world she lives in

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:58:33 No.18779854 >>18779846 A bit less than seven is still within the realm of few. I'm not ESL, and you're cancer.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 22:59:47 No.18779858 >>18779854 >A bit less than seven So not seven itself, and not even six. You realize you just admitted you were wrong an that seven months is not "a few months", right? Fucking moron.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:00:04 No.18779863 >>18779845 Doesn't make sense in the context of >>18770925 Why would he say that?

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:01:08 No.18779867 [DELETED]

>>18779858
>You realize you just admitted you were wrong an that seven months is not "a few months", right?
No, I didn't. Are you like, actually retarded? You have to have some kind of incapacity to interpret logical hedging as an admission. Are you sure you speak a mainstream variety of English?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:01:40 No.18779868 >>18779867 Are you like, actually retarded?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:02:15 No.18779873 hey pipe down you fuckin bitches

Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:06:07 No.18779888

>>18779863
Um, I'm ESL so it made sense to me. I guess you can understand it as "moment" or "occasion", but that's kind of temporal? In normal English his phrase might be something like "The above is what I would've liked to say, but..."

I think this usage of ところ in Japanese could be related to the syntactical role of 所 in Classical Chinese as a kind of an accusative nominalizer.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:07:15 No.18779895 it means "point" like an abstract logical point

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:09:09 No.18779905 切り捨てていくところ

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:11:30 No.18779912 ところ is fucking confusing

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:12:39 No.18779917 yet its more confusing when youre supposed to use it and dont

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:17:08 No.18779932 望む所所望 At least in Classical Chinese syntax, 所 + verb is basically "what is verbed", 所望 "What I wish". Japanese has incorporated this Chinese usage of 所 into its understanding of ところ.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:20:50 No.18779944 File: 337 KB, 1600x1200, baby-penguin.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 15 Countries Names in Japanese: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25aEs1s1Hx4

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>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:29:54 No.18779989 >>18779969 ジャンボの気持ちは分からなくもないけどやっぱり俺は風花ちゃん派

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:33:33 No.18780003 >>18779989 >分からなくもない ?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:33:51 No.18780004 Yotsubato vol14 when?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:40:18 No.18780021 Am I misremembering or can る be slurred to ん?

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:41:27 No.18780022 >>18780021 It can.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:42:15 No.18780027 >>18780021 yes. Like Oるの -> Oんの

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:42:45 No.18780029 >>18780003 自分は日本語がまだまだ、だけどあれはとてもわかる、というのと意味はだいたい同じなんじゃないかと

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:43:47 No.18780033 >>18780022 >>18780027 Does this not cause issues? ない can be shortened to ん as well.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:43:55 No.18780034 >>18780003 >>18780029 "it's not that I don't understand"

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:45:29 No.18780047 >>18780033 You can tell from context :^)

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:46:12 No.18780048 >>18780021 The other r* sounds too (わかんない, そんで, etc.)

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:48:40 No.18780053 >>18779932 うん、あなたのいうとおり、「ところ」のこの用法は漢籍の翻訳に由来していると考えていいと思う所定（ショテイ）＝定める所（さだめるところ）所得（ショトク）＝得る所（えるところ/うるところ）

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:48:43 No.18780054 >>18780047 He probably thinks that Japanese is a programming language and that Japanese people are all robots.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:50:24 No.18780061 >>18780029 >だいたい同じなんじゃない何と同じ？

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:51:26 No.18780065 >>18780054 >He doesn't programming in Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:52:36 No.18780068 >>18780054 One of those is true.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:54:20 No.18780074 >>18780034 thats gonna confuse the boy for when he finds that he cant fit that phraseology in with that all the time

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:54:28 No.18780075 >>18780061 Don't attack my grammar like that, I know it's wrong, I just don't know where.

>>	Anonymous Sat, Apr 7, 2018 23:56:06 No.18780080 >>18780075 its not an attack its literally a if you wanna continue this conversation please try using words again question dont give up fighto oh

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:00:01 No.18780095 >>18780080 I think if you change 意味は to 意味が then it is more in accordance with what I wanted to say. Maybe, I don't know.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:00:05 No.18780096 does imouto still post here

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:00:53 No.18780104 File: 78 KB, 620x397, 3639160i.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18780033 る->ん occurs ONLY when a particle attached after it like: 「触んな。(Don't touch)」「うっせー殴んぞ。 (Shut up or I'll punch you.)」

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:02:38 No.18780111

>>18780075
I wasn't attacking your grammar.
My grammar is pretty shit too. I interpreted "というのと意味はだいたい同じなんじゃないかと" as "it has the same meaning I think". I was replying (or meant to) "same meaning to what?".
Though after some thought, it turns out I completely misinterpreted your post.

"自分は日本語がまだまだ、だけどあれは
とてもわかる、というのと意味はだいたい同じなんじゃないかと"
"My Japanese still has a long way to go, however I think it has the same meaning as "I completely understand", I think."
Is that what you were trying to say?

Because I originally interpreted it as:
"My Japanese still has a long way to go, however I do understand that (phrase) completely. It has the same meaning I think"
Which confused me.

Also, what's the proper way to say "Same as what?"?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:06:33 No.18780126 >>18780104 Thanks for the explanation.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:07:59 No.18780135 >>18780111 >Is that what you were trying to say? Yes. Also refer to >>18780095.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:09:38 No.18780146 >>18780096 いつもここにいるよいつもみてるからおにいちゃん

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:09:52 No.18780147 >>18780135 >Yes. Also refer to >>18780095. I wasn't confused by that part though. I failed to realize that 「とてもわかる、」 is a quoted phrase.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:12:31 No.18780163 >>18780147 Ah, well yeah that's incredibly basic (I was thinking so), so I thought you were purposefully claiming not to understand because I made a syntactic mistake or something of the sort which made it formally "not compute".

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:14:22 No.18780172 >>18780163 Just curious, how long have you been studying Japanese for?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:18:29 No.18780193 整理しました。こういうことでしょう？ [~~~]は、私が追加しました。「自分は日本語がまだまだ[上手くない]。だけどあれ[=『分からなくもない』]は、『とても[よく]わかる』というのと意味は(*)だいたい同じなんじゃないかと[思う。]」意味は<->意味が does not basically change the meaning in this case. Either is fine.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:22:08 No.18780216 >>18780172 2 years on and off, I suffered head trauma midway and I'm not sure I've fully recovered, I get headaches from Japanese all the time now.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:27:49 No.18780248 >>18779989 みうらは？

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:30:34 No.18780259

>>18780193
>意味は<->意味が does not basically change the meaning in this case. Either is fine.
I see. I could barely feel a difference myself, so I thought I did not have enough power of discernment, but if that is simply how the Japanese language is, then I am at peace.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:30:59 No.18780264 >>18780104 It can also happen when non-particles are attached to the end if it's a further contraction of るの like なにしてんだい

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:31:26 No.18780268 >>18780216 直したらいいね、おにいちゃん

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:35:10 No.18780285 >>18780268 Are you pseudo-imouto? 漢字と活用が変だよ。「治ったらいいね」

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:39:20 No.18780300 Oh boy, there's a lot of production talk over here. Now I feel even more inadequate. 日本語は書けないと話せない.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:41:29 No.18780311

>>18780285
>「治ったらいいね」
直す is what was in core. I haven't seen 治す before.
Also, core says 直す is an intransitive verb, yet yomichan seems to be saying it's a transitive verb, what the fuck?
If 治す is the intransitive version of 直す then yeah I meant the former.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:42:06 No.18780314 >>18780300 しゃべるのはかんたん >>18780311 治るがせいかいだとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:46:18 No.18780336 >>18780314 Oh shit, it's 治る, not 治す. Fuck me. Is 直す and 直る uncommon kanji usage or something? And no, I'm not pseudo-imouto, whoever that is.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:49:02 No.18780347 >>18780311 全部あるよ。　 ------------------------intransitive/transitive for a person--------　治る　　　治す for an object,thing　直る　　　直すズレていませんように。

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:49:12 No.18780348 >>18780285 the imouto i knew never used kanji

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:51:19 No.18780354 >>18780314 そんな線間隔をやめてください

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:51:44 No.18780356 >>18780348 maybe our little imouto is growing up

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:52:15 No.18780360 >>18780336 >Is 直す and 直る uncommon kanji usage or something? No, very common. 故障したPCを直す。妹の機嫌が直る。

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:54:49 No.18780368 あたまにいがつくとちがうことばになる >居直るおんていもかわる

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:54:59 No.18780369 >>18780314 ポッドキャストは聞いてみたのですが全て分からない. 腹立たしいから日本語を勉強するは諦めない!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:58:24 No.18780388 >>18780347 あ、なるほど。失礼してごめん

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:58:28 No.18780390 >>18780193 >こういうことでしょう？（見逃してしまいましたので今更ながら返事します）とても当たると思います実は私は日本語を使ったことがあまりないのですからそのように、自分の書いた文章を整理していただくと不思議な感覚ですなんと自信を持たせてくれて感謝します

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 00:58:44 No.18780393 >>18780354 この場合は line は「行(ぎょう)」と訳すほうがいいよ。そんな行の間隔はやめてください。「改行(かいぎょう)が多い。」もcommon

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:02:41 No.18780410 File: 182 KB, 481x511, 1521555950541.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] How much shit do I have to read before I can read eroge in comfort?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:03:12 No.18780412 >>18780068 That's the joke.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:05:42 No.18780421 >>18780393 あ、そうですか I wasn't sure which to use. Man I can't wait for my vocabulary to reach non-total-shit levels.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:06:28 No.18780426 >>18780410 Approximately one eroge. if you read the bible though, you will never read the eroge in comfort, for you have known jesus

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:08:28 No.18780431 >>18780426 神がいないよ

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:11:08 No.18780441

So I can understand vtubers and slice of life anime, and so I want to laugh at Shinzo Abe with the rest of the nips but I understand pretty much nothing of what he's saying in any given video, what should I read to start understanding him? Newspapers?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:11:56 No.18780445 File: 69 KB, 1068x735, menhera825881827978.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18780390 すでに十分上手いので、もっと自信を持っていいと思います。あなたが何を伝えたいのか、私にはほぼ完全に分かります。

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:14:35 No.18780455 Besides Making Sense of Japanese, which was mentioned last thread, what books in the CoR are actually informative and worthwhile?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:15:36 No.18780460 >>18780455 The Dictionaries of Japanese Grammar and the Handbook of Japanese Grammar, duh

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:51:39 No.18780625 >「彼女は金のネックレスをしています」 >"She's wearing a gold necklace" Why the fuck does the しています here turn into "wearing"? Why doesn't it translate to "She's doing a golden necklace" (l-lewd)?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:52:56 No.18780628 >>18780311 It's transitive.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:53:49 No.18780636 >>18780625 I think Japanese use it to talk about appearance, e.g. gaijin no kao wo siteru = he has a gaijin face (like by just existing)

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:53:57 No.18780637 >>18780628 And?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:54:20 No.18780640 >>18780410 Likely more than you'd be willing to.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:54:40 No.18780646 >>18780625 http://jisho.org/search/する Do you see meanings?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:56:48 No.18780656 >>18780637 I was finished.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 01:59:21 No.18780671
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So I've been mining for a while and I noticed my cards don't appear in the order they were added but seemingly somewhat randomly. I checked the settings and it all seems to be in order, I have "Show new cards in order added" ticked but upon looking into my deck I saw that I had a lot of multiple due numbers. Anyone have an idea what is causing this and how I could fix it?

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:00:36 No.18780685

>>18780656
But what do you mean, it's transitive?
What's transitive, and doesn't that mean it should translate to doing, not wearing? I don't get it.

Though looking at the meanings in >>18780646, I see now that it can mean to wear clothes or facial expressions. But I don't think that has anything to do with transitivity, does it?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:01:05 No.18780692 File: 7 KB, 755x103, th.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18780636 These two examples are different.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:04:51 No.18780719 >>18780692 I think both are more or less about appearance (especially in my example). I don't necessarily know how things are in dictionaries especially since groupings can differ depending on dictionary.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:07:53 No.18780733 >>18780625 >Why doesn't it translate to "She's doing a golden necklace" You've got a future in the scanlation community, I think.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:08:56 No.18780740 >>18780671 Alright I figured it out. First I had to sort by date, then select all new cards and use reposition in Anki.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:09:20 No.18780742 >>18780685 I get the confusion, now. I wasn't quoting you.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:10:42 No.18780748 >>18780733 Got a feeling so complicated

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:12:02 No.18780752 File: 685 KB, 1280x960, 1511180405357.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18780733 ん？

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:13:30 No.18780767 >>18780752 best girl unironically

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:13:42 No.18780770 >>18780625 まずかのじょはっ～てめったなことでつかわないよ～をしていますは haveにすごくちかいいみでつかうよ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:13:55 No.18780771 >>18780767 Who is she

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:15:09 No.18780778 File: 1.14 MB, 868x1228, 6a2e25b53bd342bb91e2f67e342588b6.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I just finished 元気２. Please clap!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:15:11 No.18780779 >>18780771 Sara Matsunaga from Ever17

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:16:33 No.18780787 File: 51 KB, 600x600, 1499398845927.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is it really alright to simply move on and keep reading when you don't get something or aren't so sure about it? Will things really fall into place over time?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:16:45 No.18780788 File: 1.67 MB, 299x216, gKyWHRv.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18780778 Good job!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:16:57 No.18780789 what if imouto knows English and some of the most autistic posts in this thread are hers

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:18:11 No.18780796 >>18780778 >元気２ What is this

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:18:29 No.18780801 >>18780778 パチパチパチ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:19:41 No.18780812 >>18780789 えいごわからない

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:22:10 No.18780827 >>18780787 yes

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:23:59 No.18780838 >>18780812 使う漢字お下さい

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:27:13 No.18780853 >>18780787 Yeah, just be aware that it'll be a really long, frustrating time. But it'll happen if you stick with it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:29:53 No.18780862 >>18780838 いやあんたのぶんぽうをあげてください

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:30:34 No.18780865 >>18780787 The nagging feeling of incompleteness will linger, but keep on going on.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:31:02 No.18780868 File: 246 KB, 841x1200, よつばと!_2_122.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Now this is motivation.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:31:51 No.18780872 >>18780862 いや

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:32:01 No.18780873 >dollar is ドル >not ドラ the fuck

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:32:14 No.18780875

Using Anki for vocab training (following the OP guide), and I'm constantly finding myself getting a word wrong, seeing it a couple minutes later and forgetting the answer so I constantly see it for the next 10-15 minutes until I can remember what it is. This happens for a lot of cards and my review + new card training can take up to an hour. Is this normal, or am I really that bad at memorization? Any tips for improving this?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:33:18 No.18780881 >>18780868 Ena is so fucking cute.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:33:18 No.18780882 >>18780787 Not until you deliberately look up things you don't understand. Nigongo is highly unexpressed and simile language which makes it hard enough to distinguish patters, let alone make the difference clear among them.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:34:55 No.18780886

>>18780875
>so I constantly see it for the next 10-15 minutes until I can remember what it is.
This is a problem with how anki's first interval scheduling interacts with "learning ahead" (seeing a card even if its review time isn't ready yet, if you have no other reviews). If you don't have enough reps you'll run out of reps scheduled within the next minute or whatever and you'll be forced to see any card you can't remember every second time a card comes up until you remember it. When this happened to me I would just bury the card that kept coming up, making it come up tomorrow. This isn't giving up or cheating, it's making up for anki having a design flaw.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:35:12 No.18780889 >>18780875 If it's taking longer than you'll be able to maintain in the long run, reduce the number of new cards you see per day.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:35:20 No.18780890 >>18780882 「Nigongo」って何？

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:36:32 No.18780897 >>18780890 Nigongoはhighly unexpressed and simile languageだよ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:38:44 No.18780908 >>18780886 I see, I wish there was a better way to seperate "review" and "learning new vocab". Having the two mixed just messes me up. >>18780889 I'll try that, I didn't think I'd get hit with so much Kanji this early on.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:40:28 No.18780911 Nigongo is Nihongo for niggers.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:41:06 No.18780913 File: 44 KB, 229x231, 1381785508647.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18779969 君は楽しんでいないかそのもんためのは来なくていないか

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:41:08 No.18780914 >>18780908 Just remember, continuing to do it daily is more important than moving at a fast pace.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:41:16 No.18780915 >>18780911 good post

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:42:04 No.18780917 >>18780915 ありがとうございます

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:43:55 No.18780923 >>18780914 I'm not really doing anymore than my reviews + 20 new cards daily. But at times it gets frustrating to the point where I don't bother with grammar right afterwards

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:49:12 No.18780942

>>18780923
Then I'd reduce new cards. When I started, I put way too much emphasis on vocabulary and as a result I new a ton of words but couldn't read anything. Now I can read well but my listening is really lacking. Make sure you balance things or you'll regret it later.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:51:50 No.18780945

>>18779126
That's not really a compound, though.

It's just 業務上　過失　致死傷 with no spaces.

That's like saying the the international space station is one big word.

Actually, I don't think Japanese even has anything akin to supercalifragilisticexpialidocious because anything long is pretty much just a bunch of normal words without spaces.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:53:21 No.18780953

>>18780923
What you are experiencing is why I chose to do Kanji first. However my opinion is not good because I have never taken the JLPT, but I plan to take the JCAT soon.

I tried learning kanji + vocab at the same time, but it became a problem because I felt I should know lots more kanji than I did so I chose to focus on kanji doing 50+ new cards a day while drawing them when I missed them. After going through all 2200 I then put the reverse side in and did those too.

After that I began vocab/grammar.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:54:01 No.18780956 >>18780945 Not even English has that, that word is made up.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:58:10 No.18780966 >>18780956 All words are made up

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 02:59:30 No.18780969

>>18780942
With listening it's actually better to do when you can read superb and know all the words in texts. Of course, if you don't care about listening originally as in my case. But I understand pretty much everything in audiobooks know after listening for only ~30 hours. I highly doubt anyone who practiced listening for hundreds of hours but lacks in vocab could listen t any book.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:00:54 No.18780977 >>18780953 I have passed the JLPT and learning kanji first was very beneficial to me when it came to remembering vocab.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:04:19 No.18780989 >>18780969 Even simple conversations I sometimes have trouble following, I don't know what my problem is. I can read novels but I can't process spoken Japanese quickly enough for some reason. I'm working on it though.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:12:23 No.18781012 >Ankidroning or kanji "studying" for vocab instead of just READING

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:18:30 No.18781033

>>18781012
Yeah but when you encounter something you don't know while reading how are you going to ever learn it? Some words you will see fast and frequent enough, but others you're not going to see for a day and then you'll just have to relookup what the word is right?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:21:23 No.18781043 >>18781012 I tried that, but unfortunately, it turns out you need grammar and vocabulary to read.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:23:15 No.18781048 RTK is the way to success.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:27:30 No.18781056

>>18780942
I think I'll lower the count for a couple weeks and see how that goes.
>>18780953
I know the importance of Kanji and that I'll have to get through it to succeed. I rather do it in conjunction with Vocabulary as opposed to learning it before/after getting into Vocabulary
>>18781012
I tried reading some manga, but I'm just looking up every word and that is less fun than ankidroning. I plan to try it again when I get about 1-2k words under my belt

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:31:00 No.18781063 >>18780966 No they're not. The noun "orange" comes from the objective observation that oranges are orange! It's derived from an axiom but isn't itself an axiom.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:33:30 No.18781069 >>18781063 The word for the color came from the fruit.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:33:58 No.18781070 >目途めど, もくと?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:34:55 No.18781075 the word "no" was given to us by Reality Itself which is why you see things like no, nai, nu, mu, etc. all just tiny variations on the same form (nasal consonant + dark vowel) meaning exactly the same thing

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:35:00 No.18781076 Sometimes I see といった used in definitions. Whats the difference between that and という?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:35:04 No.18781077 >>18781063 And the other orange was made up.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:35:23 No.18781078 >>18781070 Google says もくと

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:36:13 No.18781083

>>18781056
I am the poster who recommended learning Kanji first. I respect your decision, but let me attempt one last explanation. Learning all the Kanji at the start gives you many hints on the word you are learning. There have been many times where I can guess the new vocabulary word I have never seen before because I know the Kanji meanings for it as well as know how it can possibly sound or if it has been used in other words that have different meanings. Best of luck going forward.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:36:39 No.18781086 >>18781076 Do you have an example?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:37:18 No.18781090 What kanji deck should I use if I just want to be a drone for another hour a day while not going through RTK or KKLC?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:37:20 No.18781091 >>18781078 could you link that, i wanna see

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:37:40 No.18781093 >>18781090 one your make yourself from the kanji in the words you're learning

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:38:37 No.18781097 >>18781090 The highest rated jouyou one, probably.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:39:14 No.18781101 >>18780881 あたしはしまうーがやさしいとおもいます

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:39:37 No.18781105 >>18781090 https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1956010956 There are some mistakes, but edit the html so you see the kanji koohi stories.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:39:57 No.18781107 >>18781091 I googled "目途" and the dictionary thing at the top said もくと. Not sure if your Google has to be in Japanese or not for that to show up.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:40:57 No.18781110

>>18781086
>Do you have an example?
http://www.tomojuku.com/blog/teiru-zentai/
>といった具合です。

I ran into it again just now after having Googled it earlier and not found any results. Found some this time but they're different
https://hinative.com/ja/questions/224661
http://lang-8.com/370247/journals/184288863908642031817015596021268508126
There's also this but I haven't read it yet:
https://okwave.jp/qa/q1481496.html

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:42:57 No.18781114 >>18781110 In that context it's used to list examples of something.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:43:01 No.18781116

>>18781105
Ah, I used this deck to learn kanji for a month. Even paid for a premium service of nihongoshark.com.

Deck's alright, and the stories associated with each kanji can be quite helpful, though I believe the person who made the deck wanted you to make your own.

I have doubts on the use of mnemonics to remember kanji, to be honest. I finished the whole deck in Nov-Dec last year, and now I only do like ~40 reviews of the deck, but I keep failing like 4-10 cards.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:44:10 No.18781122 >>18781114 Yeah I figured, guess I'll worry about any other meanings it might have later then. Thanks

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:45:26 No.18781127 Reminder kanji study is shit.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:45:51 No.18781128 >>18781122 In the past tense, it'll usually either mean that or that someone said something. But if someone said something, it'd typically use the kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:47:05 No.18781132 >>18781127 Yes, illiteracy is the way to go.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:47:56 No.18781134 >>18781127 Good thing Anki isn't studying.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:48:16 No.18781137

>>18781116
Kanji in my opinion is meant to assist with Vocabulary and at the same time you are learning how to write the Kanji. Without Vocabulary, Kanji is pointless. Kanji study is just useful so that when you study new vocabulary you aren't stuck trying to figure out what the vocabulary actually means as you can parse it out just by the kanji its made of.

TaeKim recommends against using Kanji if you feel you don't need it. Either way you're going to learn them through either vocab or through isolation.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:48:18 No.18781138 >>18781132 You can't read anything after doing kanji study.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:48:26 No.18781139 >>18781070 It made me think of 用途 and 目的 both, like a compound with them, so I've been reading it as もくと.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:50:05 No.18781144 >>18781138 Right, but you will be better prepared when learning vocabulary as well as spending the time learning to write each kanji individually as opposed to writing the words.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:50:19 No.18781145 >>18781138 You can't read without kanji, either. You learned the English alphabet before learning to read English.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:50:26 No.18781146

>>18781128
>In the past tense, it'll usually either mean that or that someone said something.
Took a shot at just searching といった rather than 「という」と「といった」の使い分け and I actually got an answer: https://kotobank.jp/word/と言った-579291　
So yeah, it seems it'll always be one of the two then. Thanks again.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:51:55 No.18781150 >>18781137 >TaeKim recommends against using Kanji if you feel you don't need it Do not phrase this this way. It sounds like you're saying Tae Kim says something he doesn't.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:52:38 No.18781152 >>18781144 >writing >>18781145 Yeah that's why you learn them through vocabulary instead of studying them in your "kanji for dummies" book.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:53:23 No.18781155 name a use for writing kanji other than looking up kanji you don't know by guessing how they're written

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:53:39 No.18781156 >>18781150 Okay and what does he say then?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:54:27 No.18781160 >>18781152 You learn the readings through vocabulary, but if your not an idiot, you associate some sort of meaning with the characters so that you can effectively learn the words they form.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:54:37 No.18781161 >>18781155 That's not even writing, it's copying a picture.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:54:48 No.18781163 >>18781156 He advises against attempting to master the kanji as an isolated skill, even in some kind of small version of mastery. http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2014/06/23/you-cant-learn-kanji/

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:55:33 No.18781166 >>18781155 If you live in Japan you have forms to fill out sometimes, otherwise there's no use.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:55:40 No.18781168 >>18781155 that's not even hard, knowing how to write kanji that you can see stays with you forever unlike being able to recall and write a particular kanji from memory

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:56:27 No.18781171 >>18781155 Writing.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:57:49 No.18781176

>>18781155
It gives me a pleasant sensation down my spine when I wrote down kanji.

So that's one use.

No, I'm being genuine, there's a certain pleasure I've got when I wrote down kanji. It's like calligraphy. I had to suffer through a lot of writing classes back in 中学, and writing kanji kinda erases the bad memories from that time. Of course, I don't make it a habit.

Legit my favourite thing was when one 'radical' crosses into another 'radical', like in 載, where the long top line of 戈 goes above 車. I love 戈 .

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:58:33 No.18781178 File: 376 KB, 900x600, 7f3baa87dde0cc1c0b60914fa4e4401e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >it's DJT is arguing about learning basic vocab episode I hate this filler arc

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 03:59:29 No.18781182 >>18781163 Yes, I was going to link you that same page. Can you show me where in that page he says he says that. Because he does not. Instead, he is telling you to learn in isolation if you find it useful, which he doesn't personally recommend.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:00:07 No.18781186
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>>18781171
uhh that's not writing kanji that's writing words and phrases

unless you have an intellectual disability, when you write in english you don't write individual letters, you write weirdo custom digraphs and string shit together, sometimes even between words

japanese writing is the same way

>>18781176
>It gives me a pleasant sensation down my spine when I wrote down kanji.
this is actually one of the few legitimate reasons to learn to write kanji, i know you were joking to some extent but it's very real. one must be very careful to limit their intellectual understanding of it to reality, however, and to ascribe any benefit it gives them to the psychological effects it has on them.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:00:23 No.18781187
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I can't memorize 30 cards a day. Maybe in the beginning I could, but after 340 cards this became nearly impossible, all the kanji escape my short-term memory an hour later, as I never use them, I don't know enough grammar to >read more.
機, 感 and 飛 in one session, this is retarded.
And I am retarded.
This is nothing like learning a European language, fuck!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:00:47 No.18781191 >>18781182 You might want to reread the conversation carefully. He is not saying that Tae Kim recommends against using kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:01:18 No.18781193 >>18781187 how to learn grammar: read porn that you don't understand

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:01:38 No.18781198 >>18781191 Correct in the context of the conversation it is "Isolated Kanji Study". Refer to my original post.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:02:07 No.18781202 >>18781186 When you were first learning English, you most certainly did write individual letters.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:02:17 No.18781203 >>18781198 Again, you might want to reread the conversation carefully. I know you didn't because you responded in so little time that you could not have possibly reread the conversation.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:02:21 No.18781204

>>18781186
>uhh that's not writing kanji that's writing words and phrases
Are you retarded? What do you think words and phrases are made of?
>unless you have an intellectual disability, when you write in english you don't write individual letters, you write weirdo custom digraphs and string shit together, sometimes even between words
Yeah cause when you first started writing as a kid you didn't practice writing the individual letters, no, you just skipped to writing words and phrases

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:02:31 No.18781206 >>18781187 Are you sure you have "show cards in order added" chosen for the deck? Both 機 and 飛 should be around 1k

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:02:49 No.18781207 >>18781202 yeah but you didn't learn to write each word as its own picture, which is basically what kanji study does

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:03:40 No.18781213 >>18781203 Again, you need to refer to my original post to understand the context. I know you didn't because you responded in so little time that you could not have possibly reread the post. You failed to realize what people were talking about.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:03:53 No.18781214

>>18781204
learning how to hammer nails into wood is not the same thing as learning how to build things out of wood
in fact you don't even technically need to know how hammer in nails safely and effectively to be good at making furniture
learning All The Kanji one at a time in isolation is akin to studying every single possible way you could connect two pieces of wood one at a time

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:03:54 No.18781215 >>18781105 Oh boy. Just wait till you reach 1200+ words I had to stop adding new words for a weak just so I could catch up with the kanji

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:04:12 No.18781217 >>18781207 What the fuck are you even talking about? Rephrase, please.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:04:39 No.18781219

>>18781213
Unlike you I seem to have a functioning short term memory, so no.

>You failed to realize what people were talking about.
There is absolutely zero ambiguity in the phrase "recommends against using Kanji if you feel you don't need it", no matter what context it comes up in.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:04:47 No.18781220 >>18781160 >but if your not an idiot I see now why some people need kanji study. Disregard everything I said.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:05:25 No.18781221 >>18781214 >learning All The Kanji one at a time in isolation You're too stupid to even remember what you said 4 minutes ago >name a use for writing kanji other than looking up kanji you don't know by guessing how they're written

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:05:29 No.18781222 >>18781206 I think so, the first card shown was what the anki manual said it should be. The kanji are from the words 飛行機 and 飛ぶ.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:05:34 No.18781223 >>18781219 It is clear you have a malformed brain. I apologize for your mental retardation.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:05:51 No.18781224 >>18781221 anon i think you have an intellectual disability

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:06:11 No.18781226 >>18781215 Yeah when I 'finished' it I did like 70 words per day, with nothing else. I only started the Core2k (also from the same guy of nihongoshark.com) after I finished that deck.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:06:22 No.18781228 >>18781223 I'm sorry your only recourse when people tell you not to be stupid is to project your stupidity back onto them.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:07:05 No.18781232 >>18781228 You can't keep up with a conversation in context. That is clear. Good luck learning Japanese, you're going to need it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:07:36 No.18781234 >>18781224 Point to where in "Writing" I even implied >learning All The Kanji one at a time in isolation You absolute retard.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:07:49 No.18781236 >>18781232 Feel free to explain at any time how what you said is not incredibly misrepresentative of Tae Kim's views on kanji study.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:08:09 No.18781237 >>18781222 Ah, that's right, I was thinking about other words.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:08:21 No.18781238 >>18781234 you didn't start this conversation you don't get to define what people say

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:08:45 No.18781239 >>18781236 Feel free to explain at any time how what I said is incredibly misrepresentative of Tae Kim's views on kanji study.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:08:51 No.18781240 >>18781220 Feel free to come up with a real argument instead of commenting on my swipe keyboard incorrectly interpreting what I was trying to type.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:09:09 No.18781243

>>18781176
once again I want to point out that that's not why people advise against learning how to write
I, too, enjoy writing kanji, but I can't write most of them from memory because that's the hurdle that takes a ton of practice and reiteration
I learn how to write 頂戴 every now and then and I just forget it after a couple of months because what's the point, I can't/won't keep all 3k+ kanji in memory to summon them from my head perfectly every time
If I want to write kanji I get a look at them first and then I can write them correctly and it feels good

Learning how to write kanji in front of you with stroke order and proportions and shit is an infinitesimally small amount of effort compared to learning to summon joyo kanji from memory perfectly every time;
and if you know stroke order, you don't forget it

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:09:25 No.18781245

>>18781239
So you can't. Cool.

>Feel free to explain at any time how what I said is incredibly misrepresentative of Tae Kim's views on kanji study.

I posted the page that describes his views. Anybody can read it and notice that he does not make any comments about "using" kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:11:02 No.18781249 >>18781240 >>18781236 >>18781228 >>18781245 >the anal pain of this poster wew its coming out of the screen Please return back to whatever shitty community you came from.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:11:20 No.18781252

>>18781193
Well, to be fair the grammar patters in porn are not very diverse.
> いく、いく、いく！！！！！
> おマンコ気持ちいい
> 好き　おマンコ好き
> なんか...なんか入れたい
There was an hour long ASMR I liked to listen to when fapping, I've almost translated half of it by now, with my 400-word vocabulary and two chapters of Tae Kim.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:11:42 No.18781253 >>18781249 those are not the same person

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:12:09 No.18781255 >>18781253 If you say so, he's mobile cancer at any rate.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:12:14 No.18781256

>>18781238
>name a use for writing kanji other than looking up kanji you don't know by guessing how they're written
Nothing in that implies "kanji study in isolation is bad" other than the fact that it's in the same thread as other posts discussing that topic. You should learn English before trying to discuss in it

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:12:23 No.18781257

>>18781249
Feel free to explain at any time how what you said is not incredibly misrepresentative of Tae Kim's views on kanji study.

Oh, you can't, so you're resorting to pretending to be a third party making fun of who you disagree with. Nice meme dude.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:12:35 No.18781260 >>18781249 Top guy you're replying to here, why did you include me in that?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:13:27 No.18781263 >>18781257 There are multiple people disagreeing with you, silly phoneposter anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:13:35 No.18781264 >>18781256 anon i'm literally the person who made that post

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:14:05 No.18781267 >>18781263 I don't even own a phone, dude.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:16:11 No.18781272 Phoneposter here, Tae Kim is a hack that wrote an oftentimes objectively wrong grammar guide, I don't care what he has to say.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:16:39 No.18781274 >>18781272 Not a single person in this conversation is a "phoneposter".

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:16:48 No.18781275
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>>18781257
Is this what you mean by Tae Kim's views?

I always read it as she is saying kanji study is less useful than vocabulary study.

source: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/blog/2014/06/23/you-cant-learn-kanji/

note: different anon

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:17:42 No.18781277 >>18781275 Not what we're arguing about. >>TaeKim recommends against using Kanji if you feel you don't need it >Do not phrase this this way. It sounds like you're saying Tae Kim says something he doesn't. >>18781150

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:18:08 No.18781278 >>18781275 He's just a retard who didn't understand the context of the conversation. The context is isolated kanji study, not literally not using kanji lel.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:18:13 No.18781279 >>18781274 I know, I'm confused why he thinks I'm a part of your conversation.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:18:32 No.18781283 >>18781278 I'm sorry that you think context can magically redefine the word "using".

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:19:29 No.18781285 >>18781283 I'm sorry that you can't follow the context of the conversation.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:20:12 No.18781287 autists exploding over semantics lmfao

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:20:35 No.18781288

>>18781285
I was entirely aware that you were talking about learning kanji. The fact that I was talking about your phrasing, not what you were conveying, makes this as obvious as it could possibly be. If you were actually defensive about what you were trying to say instead of how you said it, you're a fucking idiot, and if you seriously think that the way you said it isn't misleading, you might be actually retarded. How many times and in how many ways do I have to explain that I understood the conversation and what you were trying to say? That was never even a tiny part of what I was calling you out for. Stop being so autistic that you can't reflect on the way you say what you say.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:20:53 No.18781289 >>18781287 More like some phoneposting ESL retard who just wants to butt into a conversation.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:21:05 No.18781290

>>18781240
The argument is that kanji study is for mentally handicapped people who use swipe keyboards.
Kanji study is like keeping the training wheels on for a very long time instead of just learning the "meanings" from actual words. It all comes down to whether you're a big boy or not, also whether or not you have brain damage like most of the RTK retards in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:21:07 No.18781291 This will be how this thread got over 1000 posts.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:21:38 No.18781292 Novel idea: Try learning vocab without knowing kanji, and if it goes terribly, learn kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:21:43 No.18781293 oh hey he doesn't just have autismal rage when someone tells him he's doing something wrong he also accuses people of being esl

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:21:54 No.18781296 >>18781291 Make a new thread so I can crosspost to him and say he's wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:21:59 No.18781297 Should I devote some time to reading through the DoJG?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:22:18 No.18781298 >>18781293 And unironically thinks "phoneposting" is a thing

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:22:58 No.18781299 >oh hey im so butthurt i won't reply to his post waaaaaa See I can do it too you turd worlder.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:22:59 No.18781300 >>18781296 /int/ currently lacks a DJT.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:23:16 No.18781303 >>18781290 So you do give up then?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:23:32 No.18781304 apparently that's three whole posts you're too butthurt to respond to

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:23:32 No.18781305 >>18781298 Not him, but it undoubtedly is.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:24:02 No.18781306 >>18781300 Makes sense.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:24:06 No.18781308 >>18781305 >Yes, I do think that I have a 4chan pass too by the way, the 30 second post cooldown is quite something.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:25:20 No.18781311 he's so upset he won't reply to this 4th post im making about him, and who cares if english is my second language

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:25:26 No.18781312 >>18781308 jej

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:25:46 No.18781313 File: 188 KB, 640x960, a1bed7efa43749e3e20e60f51e08ad2e.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18780767 Wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:25:55 No.18781314 >>18781311 no false flagging

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:25:58 No.18781315 "Phoneposting" was a thing when I was last on here in 2011, you guys still whining about phones?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:26:33 No.18781317 >>18781305 Third world retards don't realize phone posting is a thing unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:27:42 No.18781322 >>18780778 888888888888888888888888888888888

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:28:13 No.18781324 [DELETED]

It's almost like people with bad enough psychological problems to end up in a place like this and stay here for years will invent or take hold of any remotely plausible boogeyman to name and shame to protect their fragile ego from such horrible unstable things as "socialization that isn't incredibly dishonest or laced in irony" and "people disagreeing with you in even the most minor possible ways".

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:29:21 No.18781327 >>18781317 Actually, third world posters are more likely to phone post since that's more ubiquitous to get than a laptop or a pc

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:29:52 No.18781329 >>18781327 I wanted to say this but I didn't want to respond to him

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:30:08 No.18781332 >>18781327 Hence my point about the less desirables here are ESL when there isn't an /int/ thread for them to poo in.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:30:10 No.18781333 What do you personally do to increase your motivation to study? I take a look at VNDB pages of interest.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:30:27 No.18781334 >>18781333 Literally same.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:31:44 No.18781341 >>18781327 they don't realize that "phoneposting" is a thing and is highly noticeable. which is why you had one person claiming it didn't exist, he's oblivious.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:31:45 No.18781342 >>18781333 I think about how I'm getting a divorce and will soon be free to hunt that manko.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:33:05 No.18781347 File: 516 KB, 1280x720, kotoura-san.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >i didn't want to respond he so mean he hurt my feelings waaaaaaaa

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:33:11 No.18781348 >>18781341 I'm the guy phoneposting and it does exist. I'm not part of any discussion relating to Tae Kim.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:33:30 No.18781350

>>18781303
This isn't even an argument, I'm just stating reality. I'll type it all out for you one more time though so put your sippy cup down and pay attention.
If you want to be a toddler on training wheels then you can do rtk, and if you want to ride with the big boys you can skip that shit because you're not retarded. The supposed extra retention or speed that you'd get from doing it is only worth it if you have a two digit IQ.
Now stop replying with delusions and trying to win against reality.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:33:40 No.18781351

>>18781341
someone saying something 'isn't a thing' isn't the same as saying that it 'doesn't exist', it means that whatever kind of relevance it would have doesn't exist. it's a statement about linguistic context, or society
see:
>Mary and Jack aren't a thing (they're not dating)
>Ethical consumption under capitalism isn't a thing

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:33:40 No.18781352 >>18781324 that's precisely why it is both fun and proper to shit on social maladjusts on 4chan whenever they're having a autismal fit because it will be good for them while everyone else can laugh.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:34:34 No.18781355 >>18781348 Also I'm from the US and am on my phone because I'm laying in bed, so no 3rd world thing here.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:34:53 No.18781356 >>18781352 don't forget about how they overthink everything so hard that they unconsciously copy all their behaviors from the people they think they're interacting with, so you can steer them into doing some pretty stupid things

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:35:19 No.18781358

>>18781333
I find the last chapter of Making Sense of Japanese What the Textbooks Don't Tell You, where he deciphers a long japanese sentence (the first sentence from a Japanese history book) word by word (not literally), is an incredible look into the sensation one can get when reading Japanese. He actually had a section on 'linguistic pleasure' and I agree. Sometimes reading Japanese sentences feel like solving a puzzle.

I try to keep in my head that sort of pleasure one gets when one can properly read Japanese when I approach new texts. Sometimes I gave up, sometimes it just clicks, but I just remember that in the end, there is a good thing hidden beneath this foggy veil of Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:35:46 No.18781359 >>18781352 >>18781356 >responding to yourself Pathetic anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:35:56 No.18781360 >>18781350 Are you finally done?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:36:01 No.18781361 >>18781359 wrong

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:36:32 No.18781363 >>18781359 nope

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:36:42 No.18781365 >>18781347 They're not even talking about you.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:37:21 No.18781369 >>18781359 no way

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:37:22 No.18781370 >>18781365 are they talking about me?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:37:24 No.18781372 >>18781361 >>18781363 stop samefagging

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:37:37 No.18781374 >>18781372 not samefagging

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:37:37 No.18781375 >>18781187 Then don't do 30 cards a day you dummy. Find the maximum amount you can handle instead of relying on other people's numbers.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:38:05 No.18781376 djt is extra active today. What happened?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:38:24 No.18781378 >>18781361 >>18781363 >>18781369 At least try to type a little differently when replying to yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:38:34 No.18781379 >>18781376 it seems like the OJT guy got unbanned and the other guy that just got unbanned at the same time is baiting him

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:38:38 No.18781380 >>18781372 Truth hurts, doesn't it?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:38:56 No.18781381 >>18781375 I'm here to agree with this, as I've made similar statements earlier in this thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:39:06 No.18781382 >>18781378 not replying to myself nor samefagging

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:39:41 No.18781384 >>18781376 The usual: autism peaks

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:39:46 No.18781385 >>18781334 What are the ones you're looking forward to the most?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:39:50 No.18781386 >>18781360 I'll take that as you have no reply/defense for kanji study.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:39:55 No.18781387 >>18781324 >>18781352 the view from that horse must be quite something

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:40:45 No.18781390 >>18781386 You've yet to make an argument.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:41:09 No.18781391

Reminder to shift your focus onto reading before you reach 1000 words. The first 1000 words are basically worth extra (decaying as you get close to 1000) so it seems cathartic how much extra you learn by memorizing them. However, this catharsis is very misleading, and if you keep doing Anki in isolation you're going to end up learning a whole lot less new useful knowledge each day. You need to start reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:41:34 No.18781393 >>18781390 not wasting more time on you two digit IQ poo

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:42:03 No.18781394 >>18781386 >>18781390 Also, it's almost 4 am here so I'm going to bed soon. If you're going to make yourself relavant, do it soon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:42:22 No.18781395 >>18781387 What would be the japanese equivalent of the English phrase "high horse"?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:42:26 No.18781396 >>18781394 Go to bed, Seth.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:42:42 No.18781397 >>18781187 How are you "memorizing" your cards? For vocabulary and grammar I have always used pictures. For Kanji I used mnemonics. Have you tried making the intervals differently spaced?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:43:15 No.18781402 >>18781396 You can't make me, Mom.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:43:25 No.18781403 >>18781252 less translation, more consuming more stuff you don't understand

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:43:38 No.18781405 >>18781393 >two digit IQ 90-100 is like normal intelligence.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:43:39 No.18781404 >>18781395 高飛車かな

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:43:43 No.18781406 >>18781394 >relavant No need, two digit IQ poo.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:43:56 No.18781407 >>18781402 I know what's best for you, and it's certainly not this. Take control of yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:45:01 No.18781410 >>18781405 >90-100 is like normal intelligence. You do not know anything about IQ. Please refrain from commenting on what is "normal" or "average".

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:45:42 No.18781415 all me

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:45:56 No.18781417 >>18781406 I look foreward to never hearing from you again, then.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:46:09 No.18781418 >>18781407 >I know what's best for you Some random anon on the internet knows what's best for another random anon on the internet. Ahhh, DJT makes perfect sense now.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:46:36 No.18781420 [DELETED]

>>18781410
The distribution of IQ scores is artificially modified so that it forms a normal distribution and the inner standard deviation is around 85~115 IQ. This is around 68% of the population. 95% of the population is within the range 70~130, and you know this means that ~47% of the population is in the 70~100 range.

You don't know IQs.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:46:55 No.18781422 あいきゅーってなに？すごーい

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:47:14 No.18781423 >>18781420 >inner standard deviation is around 85~115 IQ You're so close. Just learn a little bit more and you'll figure it out!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:47:17 No.18781425 >>18781410 100 is objectively avarage.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:47:57 No.18781427 >>18781423 I'm sorry your education was so poor that you were never exposed to formal statistics.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:48:17 No.18781429 >>18781403 Sounds like a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:48:49 No.18781432 >>18781427 You go to insults instead of learning a bit more. Sad!

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:50:32 No.18781436 [DELETED]

>>18781425
In the case of IQs, 100 is both the mean, median, and mode, because it's forced into a non-skewed normal distribution.

Now, I have a 150 IQ or something stupid, but it's almost entirely because I'm a white male with intelligent parents who didn't grow up in a ghetto, and my "intelligence" is definitely not above the inner 99.7% of people. It's true that IQ tests are fucked up and education has too much of an impact on them. But there's no reason to go full retard and willingly ignore facts to imply that objectively normal people are stupid like >>18781432 is doing.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:52:11 No.18781443 [DELETED]

>>18781405
IQ tests online usually give everyone like 130 IQ so in practice on 4chan "two digit IQ" is used to mean "you'd get a two digit score on an online test", for which you do have to be incredibly stupid if you aren't just selecting random answers.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:52:41 No.18781444 >>18781436 >objectively normal people Yeah you don't know what you're talking about with IQ.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:53:11 No.18781446 あいきゅーってせいきぶんぷ？ガウスぷんぷってぐーぐるせんせいが直してくるせいきぶんぷってにほんでしかつうじないかも

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:53:13 No.18781447 >>18781444 100 IQ is the definition of a normal IQ.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:53:33 No.18781448 >>18781443 You have to have two-digit IQ if you think online IQ tests worth jack shit! It's worth even less than actual IQ tests. Is that what you mean? Did I use it correctly?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:54:13 No.18781451 >>18781447 And what determines the 100 IQ?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:54:55 No.18781453 >>18781448 Only if you believe in what you're saying.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:55:48 No.18781454 >>18781451 The mean IQ.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:56:19 No.18781455 >>18781451 The average intelligence of the people taking IQ tests. 100 IQ is the average quite literally by definition.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:56:23 No.18781456

>Now, I have a 150 IQ or something stupid,
Let me do you a huge favor right now and just say you aren't as smart as you think you are. I know you're in the middle of an autistic rage spasm, but look, take a step back and realize there are going to be things you don't know about nor understand simply because you haven't learned them yet.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:56:44 No.18781457 >>18781454 Why is IQ so mean? Geez. IQ should be nicer, like EQ!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:57:05 No.18781460 >>18781456 finish reading it before you respond to it lmao >but it's almost entirely because I'm a white male with intelligent parents who didn't grow up in a ghetto, and my "intelligence" is definitely not above the inner 99.7% of people

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:57:28 No.18781461 >>18781455 >>18781454 Correct. Now let's look back to the statement >90-100 is like normal intelligence. You should see where I'm going with this.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:58:30 No.18781464 >>18781457 that only makes you sound smarter

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:58:53 No.18781465 >>18781464 more smart*

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:58:58 No.18781466 >>18781461 iq tests have an error of about 2/3 a standard deviation near the mean, which is +/- 10 points

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:59:11 No.18781468 >>18781456 back to pl*bbit

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:59:55 No.18781471 >>18781466 Failed

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 04:59:56 No.18781472 >>18781461 I'd say that range falls under "normal" but is not exclusively "normal"

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:00:34 No.18781475 FACT: kanji study is for people with an iq lower than 100

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:00:50 No.18781476 He doesn't even understand that "is" is a one way road. And he's trying to say that normal people are objectively stupid. Oh my god. This is worse than study method arguments.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:00:57 No.18781478 >>18781472 Failed as well.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:01:27 No.18781480 >>18781471 >>18781478 You don't know how statistics works.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:01:58 No.18781484 >>18781465 Are you under the impression that smarter isn't a word?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:02:26 No.18781485 >>18781480 I do.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:03:01 No.18781486 >>18781485 You don't.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:04:27 No.18781490 File: 9 KB, 480x360, 6747357.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18781464

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:04:29 No.18781491 File: 297 KB, 498x354, original.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18781476 Now he's back to being so butthurt he just makes aimless posts to vent his autism.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:04:38 No.18781493 File: 17 KB, 701x679, dunce52.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:05:00 No.18781494 >>18781486 Statistically, we're 50% wrong.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:05:32 No.18781497 >>18781494 Glad you've admitted that you're wrong here.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:05:43 No.18781499 >>18781491 congrats, you just exposed that you're the same person who was shitting up the thread earlier about kanji study, now nobody will accept your delusional goalpost shifting

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:06:17 No.18781501 >>18781494 That's not how statistics works.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:06:43 No.18781503 he uses his 'statistics' as a drunk man uses a lamp post - for support rather than illumination

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:07:21 No.18781505 >>18781494 >demonstrates he doesn't understand statistics

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:07:32 No.18781507 iqs are literally pure statistics you cannot talk about iqs without talking about statistics that would be like talking about sandwiches without talking about human nutritional consumption

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:08:06 No.18781510 lol all this because the kanji guy got called a double digiter

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:08:23 No.18781512 >>18781501 That's how it works 50% of the time, assuming a, let me pick a random statistical term here, normal distribution of ANOVA answers 俺があの人は違うです. 全て冗談だよ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:08:30 No.18781513 they're not even the same people

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:09:18 No.18781517 >>18781512 Don't produce for another 2 years.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:10:02 No.18781520 >>18781517 this

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:10:18 No.18781523 >>18781507 you can make a sandwich without eating it though whats your point

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:10:29 No.18781524 What a poor guy. He thinks every person is the same person in the thraed.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:11:17 No.18781528 >>18781512 お前の日本語は全てがF

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:11:19 No.18781529 >>18781524 whats a thaed

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:13:16 No.18781533 >>18781475 Vocabulary study is for people that don't have a high IQ (180 here) like myself. I just read and learn as I go along.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:15:01 No.18781536 >>18781533 Eventually, at an IQ level of about 300 (287 if you're in Japan) you just...absorb the language.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:16:00 No.18781539 >>18781533 >>18781536 stop rping this isn't r*ddit comments your not funny

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:16:53 No.18781541 >>18781536 That's the AJATT method.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:17:06 No.18781542 >>18781539 How is this RP-ing, I didn't even use arrows or asterisks. Me being a redditor would be >snickers looks like someONE didn't know what RP means!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:18:38 No.18781547 >>18781542 stop being such a fucking prick and get this thread back on topic. Kanji studying is not good. Stop doing it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:19:50 No.18781549 >>18781539 snickers looks like someONE didn't know what RP means!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:20:41 No.18781551 >>18781542 That makes you more like a regular redditor then instead of a super redditor.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:20:51 No.18781552 >>18781547 >Stop doing it I've done it, so yeah, I guess I'll stop. My favourite thing I learned today: もさることながら.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:21:01 No.18781554 I did Wanikani, RTK, Kanjidamage, custom kanji cards, and KKLC, in that order. None of them taught me Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:22:23 No.18781558 >>18781549 >>18781542 stop being so butthurt you have to reply to the same post twice, really anon this is not good for you. now get back to r*ddit or go start an /int/ thread

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:22:52 No.18781559 >>18781554 >I did Wanikani Don't you have to pay to do this now? Did I mistake this with some other "Japanese language learning services"?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:22:54 No.18781560 File: 5 KB, 380x843, DJT.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So it's one of these DJTs then

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:23:03 No.18781561 >>18781558 Those aren't the same people, baka oniichan.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:23:52 No.18781564 >>18781559 Wanikani costs money, way too much.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:24:06 No.18781565 >>18781560 hey at least no one is namefagging

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:24:20 No.18781566 >>18781554 Yes, but they teach you Kanji. >>18781552 As me and this anon here have done, we went through the Kanji, and finished, then moved on.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:24:21 No.18781567 >>18781561 we know its you man dont even try

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:24:30 No.18781568 >>18781560 >He's such a fragile little snowflake that he has to filter posts

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:25:45 No.18781570 >>18781566 You don't know Japanese.

Matt from Matt vs Japan Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:26:59 No.18781575 [DELETED]

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>>18781560
What a good wholesome discussion. Now if you just follow me to my patreon where I will need you to pay me to instruct you how to do RTK, even those the instructions for RTK come with the book.

>>18781570
You don't either. Now follow my method here.
https://www.patreon.com/mattvsjapan

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:27:22 No.18781577 Is this the Japanese learning thread?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:27:47 No.18781580 File: 2.20 MB, 1450x875, 1522997410441.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18781577

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:27:58 No.18781582 >>18781568 Not at all, it's simply better to throw garbage in the dumpster instead of having it lying around in the open.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:28:21 No.18781583 >>18781577 It's the statistics thread.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:28:25 No.18781584 >>18781570 >You don't know Japanese. You aren't fluent.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:29:09 No.18781585 >>18781584 Isolated kanji study doesn't have anything to do with Japanese fluency.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:29:33 No.18781587 >>18781582 Except you're not throwing anything in the garbage. You're wearing a blindfold so that you can't see it and pretend it's in the garbage.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:29:55 No.18781589 >>18781585 I'm not wrong. You aren't fluent, are you anon?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:30:35 No.18781592 >>18781577 No.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:30:48 No.18781594 >>18781589 Do you mean I'm not a fluent speaker of Japanese? If so, yes, my vocal chords don't work, so no, I'm not a fluent speaker of Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:30:51 No.18781595 @18781575 stop IMPERSONATING matt @mattvsjapan or im going to tell on you to him again also why does he use the side of his fucking face instead of looking at the camera

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:30:53 No.18781596 >>18781552 むずかしいにほんごをしっているんだねなかなかつか「え」ないとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:32:03 No.18781598 >>18781587 You're not very good at analogies, are you anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:32:47 No.18781602 >>18781598 s-sorry. I couldn't be bothered to reword it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:33:34 No.18781604 >>18781596 haha, I do not understand your post! I need to study more! Hard Japanese をしっているんだね is... "knew hard Japanese"? Can't be right. >なかなかつか「え」ないとおもうよなかなか and とおもうよ is the only part I got, sorry.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:34:13 No.18781606 >>18781594 lol dodging because you're just another non fluent kanjidrone

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:35:01 No.18781610 >>18781606 Nice meme. Kanji study is almost always a mistake.

Matt from Matt vs Japan Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:35:07 No.18781611 [DELETED]

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>>18781595
You need to cut English out of your life completely, even if you have a day job, just drop that shit and start meditating. With my AJATT method you can learn Japanese for my low fee you pay each month.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:36:20 No.18781619 Reading All The Time And Taking Amphetamines aka RATTATA

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:36:45 No.18781621 >>18781611 i warned you. im telling. you will wish you had not done such a thing when confronted with the almighty wrath of MATT VS JAPAN

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:37:54 No.18781625 if i paste a bunch of manga pages to my wall will i be fluent too?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:39:10 No.18781631 これは日本語を勉強スレですか？

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:41:39 No.18781639 >>18781596 理解だけできればいい原則使える云々は小説家のお仕事柄なんだからな

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:43:46 No.18781647 File: 174 KB, 1465x557, niluma.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] have fun with kanji

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:44:00 No.18781649

How do you guys set up your grammar deck? I studied Genki for two weeks back in December, and I turned the grammatical concepts from each chapter into a (physical) flash card.

So, for example:
In the front:
>第十五課
>文法:
>Volitional form Conjugation rules?
>[V-Vol]+と思っています?
>vs [Vol]+と思う?
>~ておく?
>~けど/が for two sentences?
>見える vs 見られる, 聞こえる vs 聞ける
And in the back there's a line for explaining each of those, for example:
>~ておく=[V-て]おく: To [V] for preparation of something else.

This is of course not the most efficient of ways, and my original plan of doing this for the Nihongo Sou Matome N3 books fell through because I can't be bothered.

Looking over the deck I've made, I don't even remember all of the grammar concepts from the Genki books, so clearly there's some more grammar study I need.

If you don't use flashcards for grammar study, how do you study grammar? Especially, how do you make it stick?

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:44:16 No.18781652
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Anyone know of some anime where there's heavy use of osaka dialect outside of cardcaptor sakura? I used to hate it but I kind of like listening to it now and want to understand better.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:44:36 No.18781653 two posts ago is almost certainly copy paste spam from reddit

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:46:40 No.18781655

>>18781652
The fansubs I got for cardcaptor sakura when I was an EOP said that they didn't get a joke. That joke was about あほ and ばか having different levels of offensiveness in different regions. I knew this despite being an EOP at the time. You're basically not gonna get good at regional stuff until you hear it a lot.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:46:55 No.18781656 >>18781649 >How do you guys set up your grammar deck? Just fucking read, dude.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:47:25 No.18781658 why are you responding to your own post

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:52:46 No.18781668 >>18781604 あのんはできるよちょっとえいごおしえて >I put in my time. っていわれたらきらわれてる？

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:53:37 No.18781672 File: 278 KB, 841x1200, よつばと!_2_186.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Can the bullying stop please?

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:54:52 No.18781677

>>18781656
Then how do you remember them? Like, I'm flipping through my nearest Japanese book here, and I see these terms I'm still unclear on:
>にとって
>かもしれない
>わけないだろ
I'm not saying I don't understand these terms, I can look them up and get them, but how do I actually get them to stick? There must be some form of actual efforts. But how do you do that for grammatical constructs? They're different than just words.

Are you saying if I just constantly read and come across those terms again and again, I'll just...automatically remember them?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:55:55 No.18781684 how do you think you learned your native language

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:56:45 No.18781685 >>18781677 >Are you saying if I just constantly read and come across those terms again and again, I'll just...automatically remember them? Okay, that was pretty good.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:57:37 No.18781690 大学の宿題をしたくねええ日本語を勉強したいの、誰か助けてくれ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:58:01 No.18781693 200 new kanji a day sound good?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:58:39 No.18781696 >>18781693 no scroll up kanji study is bad

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 05:59:51 No.18781704 >>18781696 It's not like it'll take long.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:01:20 No.18781710 >>18781704 in a year or two you'll regret thinking that now

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:02:58 No.18781717 >>18781704 just do 400 words instead it's better

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:04:37 No.18781724 >>18781668 あれはどうみても微妙に苛立っているような言い方だと私には思われる

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:04:46 No.18781725 >>18781710 >>18781717 Kanjidroning will increase my vocab retention, allowing me to raise my new words per day anyway.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:05:11 No.18781728 >>18781725 in a year or two you'll regret thinking that now

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:06:44 No.18781734

>>18781668
>ちょっとえいごおしえて
"I'll teach a little English", presumably?

>I put in my time
>っていわれたら
this part I don't get. That's the たら conditional form of っていわれる, which in itself is a passive of って言う. But I can't combine them to make sense.

and きらわれてる I don't get either. "Be hated"?

ごめんね, 出来すぎるあのん!

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:06:49 No.18781735 >>18781725 Just do a radical deck and then go straight onto vocab. Don't waste your time with kanji study.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:08:22 No.18781737 >>18781725 oh sorry didnt know you were dumb and have trashcan retention we're done here

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:08:54 No.18781739 >>18781668 使い方次第。本来ならば問題ないと思う。 "I put in my time and got good at english"っていたらいい。

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:11:41 No.18781747 >>18781677 For me it's always been more of a "you'll get so sick of not understanding that you'll just fucking get it" The frustration ultimately drives my success.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:14:26 No.18781751 ある本のいった通り我ら祝福で呪われてる

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:16:05 No.18781756 >>18781724 むずかしい >>18781739 そっちのえいごはわかるよしょうりゃくされるとなんかおこなのかなとかんじる >>18781734 >ちょっとえいごおしえて >Please tell me some English. こっちだよ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:26:23 No.18781797 >>18781756 >こっちだよ ah man, didn't even realize that was a request. Still got so many more things to learn! Future's looking bright.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:34:36 No.18781844 >>18781315 Some boards today still blame phoneposting for decreasing people's attention span when reading long post, hence a deterioration in board quality

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:37:12 No.18781868 >>18781677 >how do I actually get them to stick? There must be some form of actual efforts read the textbook, genius… are you even 18+

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:38:41 No.18781874 >>18781868 >everything you read sticks I'm not autistic so this does not apply to me, Anon.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:38:52 No.18781875 Japanese will never look as aesthetic and beautiful as English.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:40:19 No.18781886 >>18781874 I don't know why that anon said to read textbooks. Reading actual native material is what you should be doing.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:40:23 No.18781887 >>18781875 Well duh, English the only language with "fuck", the most flexible word.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:46:01 No.18781916 >>18781874 >reading textbooks like a novel doesnt help me remember anything gee I wonder why

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:47:23 No.18781923 >>18781916 You don't know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:47:49 No.18781925 >>18781923 Neither do you

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:48:07 No.18781927 >>18781887 I don't think that has anything to do with looking aesthetic and beautiful, though. You're right that fuck is pretty fucking flexible though.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:48:19 No.18781929 日本語を話そうと勝手に敬語か女性っぽい言い回しを使いちゃうそもそも意識があってこんなこと言えるけど男であるつもりなのに妙にその方がきもちのよくて仕方がない

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:48:33 No.18781932 >>18781925 So why give me advice if you don't know Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:49:07 No.18781934 >>18781932 Because I know more than you do

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:50:13 No.18781938 >>18781934 ok

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 06:50:50 No.18781940 >>18781929 おまえのカルマがおまえをゆるさないぞ！

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 07:23:58 No.18782095 >切手 thanks 6k core/deck

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 07:26:57 No.18782109 >>18782095 After 10 years, I still mix up 切手 and 切符.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 07:39:49 No.18782144 >>18782109 >postage stamp >ticket What's there to mix up?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 07:41:54 No.18782151 >>18782144 I can't associate 手 with stamp.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 07:51:38 No.18782190 >おかしい how do you tell strange and funny apart?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 07:54:33 No.18782200 >>18782190 context o n t e x t

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 07:59:03 No.18782215 >>18782190 it means "funny" in the sense "that's funny... (looks closer)" or "that guy over there looks funny" not in the "ahahaha that's such a funny joke dude"

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:05:08 No.18782247 >>18782190 English speakers are this clueless about their own language

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:08:03 No.18782258

>>18781171
You don't need to know how to write a single kanji to write japanese even by hand. If need be, you can write in kana anything you want and it will be understood. Writing in kana is not considered to be wrong by any standart either, it just could look strange to some. Golden middle would be learning how to write the most frequent kanjis and know stroke order of any kanji.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:19:48 No.18782303
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>>18782151
切手 is shortened form of 切符-手形(きっぷてがた) , which used to be used and mean all "promissory notes" in Japan because the mark形 of one's palm手 on a sheet of paper for a commercial transaction had been a useful identification which shows who has the right of anything, but after around mid 18C the meaning of 切手 had begun to be limited only for postage stamps for some reasons I don't know.

自分もあんまり詳しくないけど、今調べたらこういう起源origin らしいよ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:23:16 No.18782314 >>18782303 I enjoy looking up etymologies of English words (English isn't my native), I hope one day I'm gonna be good enough to be able to look up Japanese etymology as well! And read books about the language that is not about teaching me grammar.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:25:26 No.18782323
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He met her a moment ago, and she speaks to him properlyin 丁寧語.
Why is he still speaking informally? Do the japs think they are by default above waito piggu or something?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:26:37 No.18782332 >>18782303 *mid 19C, sorry. 明治時代Meiji era の頃の話

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:29:42 No.18782345 does anyone have any aristotle work translated into japanese to share

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:30:32 No.18782350

>>18782314
Japanese etymology for the most part is shallowly known and the majority of word etymologies end in "we just don't know, it suddenly sprang up like that" or "it was used in the 7th century in the same shape and role as now". There are bits and pieces of Pre-Old Japanese reconstructions that don't depend on Altaic garbage that can be fun to look at, but for the most part what manages to be interesting is kanji, and that's all Chinese.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:30:46 No.18782353 >>18782303 Thank you anon, that was interesting.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:31:36 No.18782358 >>18779076 Why no thread number and backlink to previous threads?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:31:48 No.18782359 >>18782323 She has to speak politely because she is smaller. The weak should fear the strong.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:38:13 No.18782377 >>18782345 がんばって探してみたけど、無料のだと、 Plato の Crito ぐらいしか見つからなかった… http://e-freetext.net/critoj.html 有料の本ならいっぱい（多分全篇）翻訳されてるけどね ↓for fun http://noexit.jp/tn/doc/s13.html

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:43:26 No.18782398 File: 140 KB, 704x480, brah.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18782377 thank you

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:44:44 No.18782403 File: 140 KB, 1844x838, 4g.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] jesus, heisig is such a perv

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:47:49 No.18782413 File: 120 KB, 2560x911, 548.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What the hell, I thought kanji were the same as traditional Chinese characters.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:48:23 No.18782416 >>18782413 only overall

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:49:26 No.18782419 File: 21 KB, 516x453, 1442334574218.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18782403

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:52:48 No.18782429 >>18782413 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinjitai Kanji has had its own simplifications.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:53:28 No.18782431 >>18782429 信じたい

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 08:58:11 No.18782448 >>18782413 most Chinese sentences in traditional will have something incompatible with shinjitai, often several characters

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:11:47 No.18782521 >>18782429 I wish Japanese weren't retarded about the scope of the reforms and simplified cancer characters outside jōyō like those used in 痙攣.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:13:30 No.18782532 If a custom font is incomplete and can not display 剝, will it least display 剥 or will it just give me an empty square?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:25:49 No.18782600 File: 31 KB, 600x750, 7e3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18782429

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:27:10 No.18782607 >>18782431 >>18782600 It's actually 新字体

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:28:55 No.18782615 >>18782607 I thought it's 新事態

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:30:08 No.18782623 are there alliteration in the Japanese language

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:30:22 No.18782624 >>18782615 Did you mean 新自体?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:31:07 No.18782630 >>18782623 yea

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:35:35 No.18782648 >>18782630 nice

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:35:36 No.18782647 the kindle versions of the first two volumes of yozakura quartet are free on amazon right now

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:43:48 No.18782676 >>18782647 actually there are all sorts of kindle manga first volumes that are free on amazon japan right now this is amazing

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:45:55 No.18782683 File: 37 KB, 400x250, 567f579a73b247bfcfe29685603964d508ef0014_hq.gif [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] get your hot free manga while supplies last only on amazon

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:47:15 No.18782691 >>18782683 this gif is unrealistic, the sunglasses never stop coming. where did this girl get all those sunglasses from?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:48:21 No.18782696 >>18782691 her face is a wormhole that connects to just off screen on the right side

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:49:03 No.18782701 >>18782691 probably from the same place shes getting all her free manga

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:49:34 No.18782706 >>18782691 When your swag quotient (SQ) is above 300, you just...receive sunglasses. >>18782701 Amazon Sales Representative pls

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:50:03 No.18782708 >>18782706 it's just one or two publishers on amazon, not an amazon wide thing

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 09:57:12 No.18782738 >>18782708 Yeah it's a kodansha thing. I never noticed it before either so it might be a new thing but it might just be their business model now.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:01:59 No.18782766
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So I was asking about this last thread but never came to a conclusion, is it better to read for a long period of time all at once, or break it up with intermittent breaks to rest?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:02:28 No.18782767 >>18782766 If you want to keep reading, keep reading. If you want to take a break, take a break. Just don't take a break and then not go back to reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:03:01 No.18782768 File: 43 KB, 925x711, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] so guys lets be real and candid while i was away there was a lot of posting happening and it was all very bad いったいどうしたって言うんだよ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:04:09 No.18782772 >>18782768 すみません我慢できなかったんだ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:06:29 No.18782781 >>18782768 I know saying it was the autists is getting old, but really, it was the autists.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:26:01 No.18782851 What do you guys think of online classes? Are they worth it? I've heard that they teach you the fundamental things in a way that won't really get you anywhere.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:26:20 No.18782853

>>18782738
Not just kodansha. Some seem to have limited time self-destructing (?) volumes too.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B07BQRSJ2G
>2018年4月12日22:00までの期間限定無料お試し版です。2018年4月13日以降はご利用できなくなります。キャンペーン期間終了後もお楽しみいただくには、通常版（有料）をご利用ください。
Ripe for the ripping?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:26:29 No.18782855 >>18782413 Thankfully they're not.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:30:44 No.18782878

>>18782851
if they corral the paying gaijins into an area where they are perpetually on the outside trying to reach for nihongo perapera they make more money over the long term

why do you think theres such a huge oversaturation of language related products and services targeted at them

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:38:48 No.18782931 >>18782878 so all of them are a total scam? i have an attention span of a gold fish so i have to read the grammar guides like ten times to get anywhere. i know from experience that i can't learn the grammar from just books in a acceptable time frame.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:41:01 No.18782946 >>18782931 >i have an attention span of a gold fish online classes would be even worse for you

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:41:36 No.18782950 >>18782931 >i have an attention span of a gold fish You won't learn Japanese with that then, short version.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:41:52 No.18782953 >>18782931 I struggled for a long time with remembering grammar and eventually just made an Anki deck for it, which helped a ton.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:43:37 No.18782966 >>18782953 >just made an Anki deck for it What are the cards like? What's in front and what's in the back, essentially

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:43:48 No.18782967
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>>18782768
> いったいどうしたって言うんだよ

God I hate "って" so much, I can't understand how this shit works not matter how many times I read the guide.
I hope it won't make me quit studying this fucked up language.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:44:35 No.18782973 >>18782966 READ THE GUIDE

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:44:40 No.18782974 >>18782967 って言うんだよ is basically a set phrase just roll with it

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:45:32 No.18782977 >>18782967 read Japanese, not the guide do you understand the message and the tone? that's enough, you'll brain will make sense of it like it's magic

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:45:36 No.18782978 >>18782931 Your problem is that you're expecting to learn Japanese by reading a grammar guide instead of reading native content.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:46:24 No.18782986 >>18782977 > do you understand the message and the tone? that's enough, you'll brain will make sense of it like it's magic I do not.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:48:53 No.18783004 >>18782986 read more so your brain starts making assumptions human beings are unreasonably good at getting good at things through practice for languages that practice is seeing it used a lot in a lot of situations

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:49:42 No.18783012 >>18782967 I'm stuck on って as well. Right when I think I know what it means, it actually means something else

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:50:19 No.18783016 >>18782946 how exactly? books are not exactly great at keeping my attention. >>18782953 alright, this sounds like a viable option.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:52:19 No.18783028 >>18782978 how am i supposed to read native content if i know fuck all about grammar? i have yotsuba with the reading packs, is that the way to go? just "read" it without knowing any grammar?

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:53:55 No.18783037

>>18783016
>how exactly? books are not exactly great at keeping my attention.
i'm going to assume by books you mean textbooks/workbooks/grammar books/guidebooks
apply your exposure to grammar via guides by using it instead of trying to "memorize" the guide
read something, watch anime, etc
people are incredibly bad at learning grammar from guides not because it's difficult but because the way our brains store and manipulate grammar is very, very different from how guides are capable of teaching it

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:54:13 No.18783040

>>18783004
What's the point of reading if I don't understand shit? With English and German it worked perfectly, Japanese is fucking insane and all >read more does is making me less motivated to go on. These people don't seem to realize their language has grammar.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:55:02 No.18783046

>>18782931
That's not terribly unusual.
Think of grammar guides as rule books for board or card games, or manuals for complicated video games.
First time I read a manual to MTG I was lost in all its rules and phases, but as I sat down and tried to play, referring to rules as I played to check/get guidance/confirm - it all fell into place.
Start reading books/manga/vn right now and go back to DOJG when encounter a turn of phrase or conjugation that you cant understand or is in doubt about, and if you don't remember or understand it fully after the first encounter than you will probably return to it later - this good, this is how it works as long as you keep reading.

Language learning must be one of the few activities where Quantity DOMINATES over Quality.

All that said - it is good to if not read than at least skim through the grammar guides just to learn of existence of some concepts

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:55:32 No.18783051 >>18783040 you start understanding shit eventually on your own if you actually do manage to read more for long enough

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 10:57:22 No.18783068

>>18783028
As the guide says, you're supposed to go through Tae Kim before reading. You're not supposed to remember everything in detail, just core concepts. That's enough to at least understand the general structure of the shit you're going to be reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:07:08 No.18783153 >>18783037 >>18783046 >>18783068 thanks a bunch guys. i thought i was going to have to study the guides for months like i did with every language i have studied so far.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:11:32 No.18783186 >>18783153 i'm glad your case is just a misunderstanding, sometimes people are so stubborn they don't start reading until they're already a year in and they get really upset that they barely understand anything since they never read

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:13:25 No.18783198

>>18782931
i cant judge everything as a total scam but its your responsibility that if you pay someone to actually work with you that you do your own prep and legwork to actually make use of them to achieve your specific goals under the "learning nihongo" umbrella

https://www2.gwu.edu/~eall/vjg/vjghomepage/vjghome.htm
this isnt a scam but isnt fully comprehensive or complete but it will probably work well for you since you said you had trouble with reading boring grammar books (ignore any nerd posts hating on it because of software)

if you complete and understand everything vjg has to offer you should be able to direct where your 旅 goes from there (which should involve above all else input/exposure)

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:17:58 No.18783220 File: 196 KB, 449x319, よつばと!_1_012.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] As I understand that thing between そこ and いいぞ is supposed to be a verb in its て-form, but I can't figure out what verb is it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:18:57 No.18783229 >>18783220 this one's "hard" to figure out on your own so i'll just feed it to you おく -> おいておく -> おいておいて -> おいといて

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:20:24 No.18783245 >>18783220 置いておいて(=置いておく+て) ->おいといて

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:21:23 No.18783255 but can you translate it

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:21:42 No.18783258 >>18783255 leave it there for now

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:22:12 No.18783264 >>18783255 >>18783258 or with the いいぞ after it, leaving it there for now

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:24:59 No.18783274 >>18783258 >>18783264 i guess the whole thing i want the sentiment not the 硬い shit

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:25:53 No.18783277 >>18783274 そこおいといていいぞー you can leave it there for now

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:26:43 No.18783280 File: 56 KB, 600x705, 049.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18783229 >>18783245 Damn. Now it's completely clear to me why the Japanese need kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:27:22 No.18783283 so after almost a month of going through ~100 kanji a day, i finally finished Heisig's Remembering the Kanji. now that i've learned the meanings and review them on Anki, is there a similar resource for learning the different readings?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:27:37 No.18783288 Has anyone here played Idolm@ster 2? Is there any way to scroll the text manually? I‘m fine with the spoken text but the producer‘s unvoiced lines are skipped faster than one would be able to say it so I have trouble keeping up.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:28:44 No.18783293 >>18783280 thats prolly not the best indicator because common talk is common talk and it should be the first thing that comes to mind when you see it anyway

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:42:40 No.18783367 >>18783283 Just go on to vocab and reading. Since you did RTK, learning words should be easy for you

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:52:41 No.18783420 >>18783367 i'm starting genki vol.1 right now, is that the next move i should be making?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 11:58:04 No.18783462 難易度EASY そこに置いておいていいぞ難易度NORMAL そこおいといていいぞ難易度KSB そこらへんおっといてええで

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:00:15 No.18783471 >>18783462 >KSB なんだそりゃ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:00:27 No.18783472 File: 567 KB, 1854x915, hatsume_vol2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What do you think of はつめちゃん? I think it's a bit more difficult than よつばと.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:01:26 No.18783476 >>18783471 省略やけど意味なんもねえで

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:01:29 No.18783477 >>18783472 literally harder than dies irae

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:02:50 No.18783482 自閉症

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:03:17 No.18783484 >>18783482 ん？

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:04:27 No.18783487 >>18783420 Yes. After you finish the 2 Genki books you can start struggling through reading native material, preferably while working through an intermediate textbook.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:07:34 No.18783502 >>18782403 Why is shitty RTK uses such questionable words even for no brain kanjis

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:11:17 No.18783522 >>18783487 thank you very much for the guidance

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:14:37 No.18783540 Can someone who isn't dekinai tell me the difference in meaning between 学生じゃないんだ and 学生なんじゃない?

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:17:22 No.18783555

>>18783502
Because the whole point is that each kanji gets a *unique* name, but there are many kanji that mean the same thing, so he has to chose weird words sometime.
Note: RTK does not actually teach you kanji meanings, even though many people seem to think it does because the name he gives each kanji is often one of the meanings of that kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:17:44 No.18783559 >>18783540 デキナイなのはお前じゃね？

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:17:47 No.18783560 File: 156 KB, 316x310, ans-366680176.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] the most difficult kanji.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:21:09 No.18783575 >>18783560 >Heisig: "Hold my beer"

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:24:46 No.18783606 >>18783540 as for 学生 it is not as for 学生 it is

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:25:40 No.18783612 File: 88 KB, 1419x1425, 16029348.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18783559

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:27:07 No.18783620 File: 117 KB, 1141x1029, unpopular-reddit-opinions.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Are these opinions actually considered unpopular?

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:27:30 No.18783623

>>18783555
Tut that's just stupid. This kanji only has a meanings "to call" or "to invite",
here http://kanji.jitenon.jp/kanjic/1138.html and https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/107233/meaning/m1u/召/ and this has nothing to do with seduction. And I don't think there is any word with the kanji that implies it. People often advocate RTK because it is to help you memorizing vocabulary better as a result of knowing "kanji meanings" but this shit is misleading and shallow even towards easy kanjis.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:28:47 No.18783627 >>18783540 >>18783606 as for 学生 it is not as for 学生 it is is it not

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:30:42 No.18783640 >>18783540 >学生なんじゃない? Is that even grammatically correct?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:34:05 No.18783671 >>18783612 しょうもねえかよ >学生じゃないんだその人は学生ではない（確信） >学生なんじゃない? その人は学生と聞いた（か何か）で、違うか？

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:34:51 No.18783675
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I'm not sure which of the uses of なんて described in the dictionaries is this.
If that simply means "何と", then there's a question within a conditional, which is something Tae Kim did not warn me about.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:37:11 No.18783684

>>18783623
As I said, RTK is not teaching meanings, it's giving each jouyou kanji a unique name. Sometimes that name has nothing to do with the meaning of that kanji, but is useful for remembering other kanji that use it as a part.
Calling 召 seduce probably made it easier for him to find mmemonics for 沼　招　紹 and 詔.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:37:23 No.18783685 >>18783675 It's the same と you use with 言う.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:38:11 No.18783689 >>18783675 basically what + quote how (=what) should I respond [with]

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:40:33 No.18783701 わたしはゲイと答えればいいよね

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:44:12 No.18783727 >>18783684 And I understand what you're saying. I just question once again benefits of the enterprise.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:45:01 No.18783736

>>18783689
So, without ellipsis it would be
この場合なんてこたえればいいの？
or something like that, right?
I'm still trying to wrap my head around asking a question within a conditional. I kind of understand it, but the nip grammar is always understandable until suddenly it's not, I'd like to see more examples so I can be sure I actually got it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:47:23 No.18783752 >>18783727 the benefit is you will kanarazu remember the kanji if thats not your goal maybe you shouldnt be using remembering the kanji

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:48:12 No.18783758

>>18783623
>it is to help you memorizing vocabulary better as a result of knowing "kanji meanings"
Not really. It's to help you recognise and stop confusing all the slightly different kanji out there by drilling each one into your memory.
The "meanings" are of secondary value.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:49:33 No.18783765

>>18783727
The point is that it doesn't matter that the meanings are wrong. There are so many compounds where the meaning doesn'T have anything to do with the individual meanings of the kanji. All you need is being able to remember which specific kanji the words are made of, and for that, it's useful to have a name for that kanji that doesn't interfere with other kanji.
When you come across 沢山 = たくさん you don't go "wtf japan, that's WRONG", you just remember that the word is written with those two kanji, no matter what the individual 'meanings' of them are.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 12:55:26 No.18783800

>>18783736
Yeah, but he's not a girl so he would have ended the sentence with a more manly particle, I think. It doesn't matter though, particles here are fluff. As i was told by a Japanese person, Japanese don't imagine themselves or others as saying anything after those "clipped" sentences, they perceive them as finished in their own right, even though they know that they are grammatically incomplete.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:03:03 No.18783846 >>18783800 Incomplete sentences are common in any language.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:04:20 No.18783853

>>18783752
I had deliberately rejected it in the past for specific reasons and it turned out I was right.
>>18783758
>>18783765
>Not really. It's to help you recognise and stop confusing all the slightly different kanji out there by drilling each one into your memory.
This problem is extremely overthought by novices who aren't familiar with the language at all. When you have problems with kana for the first days or weeks of your journey, you don't download "Remembering The Kana".

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:06:35 No.18783864 >>18783846 Just in case he gets the wild idea of completing a sentence in his mind every time it's left incomplete or something silly like that.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:19:58 No.18783945 >>18783765 > 沢山 Is this what they call "ateji" ?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:22:28 No.18783962 Anyone here use HelloTalk?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:22:34 No.18783963 >>18783040 desu the more I read japanese the more I notice it has grammar, especially in speech when there's intonation and all that

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:23:02 No.18783965 >>18783853 > mfw Remembering the Kana actually exists People will buy anything these days.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:27:59 No.18783998 >>18783945 It is.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:28:18 No.18784003

>>18783853
To add: every time a noob breaks into the thread saying "wow gayz I really have problems with kanjis gotta start RTK" the answer is YOU don't fucking have any experience reading anything, you don't know words or grammar. You have problems with sodding everything in the language but you, deluded, think that kanji is cornerstone of japanese, thereby it should be treated in a special way. It's true that you absolutely have to know basic meanings of kanjis and their readings, but it's not worth dawdling for months just to recognize shapes.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:35:18 No.18784044

>haven't done reps consistently in over a week
>haven't learned new cards for a couple weeks because the ones I'm reviewing are fucking me over so I turned new off to "catch up" on review
>constantly doing 2, even 3 days of reps at once because I miss days
>haven't read in a couple weeks
>haven't listened in over a week
help me bros, this happened before and I basically quit learning japanese for around 6 months, how do I stay motivated and get back into the rhythm?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:36:50 No.18784052 >>18784044 Come argue about dumb shit here. Eventually you'll defend your own methods so adamantly that you'll start doing them more dutifully out of spite, and nothing motivates someone more than spite.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:37:09 No.18784058 >>18784044 Seems to me like you don't actually like Japanese. Might as well drop it

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:39:15 No.18784070 Might as well ask: What happened to Sakubiposting?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:40:31 No.18784080 >That first reply https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/8ap0ir/the_difference_between_yamete_and_yamero/

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:40:49 No.18784082 >>18783965 That is what I used to learn kana...

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:44:58 No.18784116 >>18784003 >but it's not worth dawdling for months just to recognize shapes That's why you do a few new characters every day on the side, not spend months going through the book and doing nothing else like a fucking autist.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:45:04 No.18784118 >>18783962 Yea but more often than not they only ever wanna talk in English

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:47:50 No.18784136 >>18784080 Can't believe they're arguing with a native japanese. Get real, guys. I've updated my flash cards.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:48:22 No.18784140

>>18784082
Why would anyone need a book for that?
I understand some might need help remembering over 2000 Chinese characters, but kana?
Just download a picture from wikipedia. You'll remember hiragana easily because it's everywhere, katakana will be a bitch to decipher (シツソン, god damn I hate these) but you'll get used to it eventually.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:48:52 No.18784147 File: 1.29 MB, 3120x4160, 1523209706909539923361.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18783560 Piece of meme

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:49:54 No.18784158

>>18784044
There are basically two cases:
First: you don't actually need to learn the language, your brain subliminally apprehends that it's not worth to waste time whatever goal you have in mind.
Second: you actually need to learn the language for some reason. That's a complex problem, you have to learn how to act in spite of your wishes. Start self-discipline, make a schedule for days, you should be on track after some time, the key is consistency. And of course you need to leave the thread for eternity.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:50:11 No.18784162 >>18784147 But did you do the stroke order right?

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:51:39 No.18784176
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What do you do/watch/listen to when your motivation to do your daily reading/listening practice is low? I know relying on motivation isn't very good, but i'm still just starting out with reading, only about a month in, and it feels like I have to force myself to read even though i'm enjoying the novel.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:51:51 No.18784178 File: 75 KB, 280x1097, ffc0d75de6b6b57909be882dd7bc006a--chinese-magic-paper-light.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18783560 You are like a little baby

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:51:56 No.18784181 >>18783560 Would look nice in an 11pt font.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:52:25 No.18784185 >>18784176 see >>18784058

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 13:59:01 No.18784240 File: 29 KB, 225x505, fceee9057cbe45343c79aad88f60cc33.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18784178 I learned this one just through reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:02:31 No.18784283 >>18784185 you know what you're right I didn't spend 9+ months of learning jap so far just to not use it i'll get to reading right now, thanks

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:02:48 No.18784289 >>18784118 You find some good ones who'd like to talk in Japanese once in a while

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:03:35 No.18784299 >>18784176 i usually just spend the rest of the day jacking off when that happens, desu fammy

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:06:08 No.18784331 >>18784299 same

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:10:57 No.18784388 If playing vidya 遊ぶ or is it like musical instruments where it has its own verb?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:13:11 No.18784417 >>18784388 i think my jp prof always just said to use suru, but it was a really low level class so there might be a more sophisticated way of doing it

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:15:55 No.18784452 >>18784388 ゲームする

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:16:17 No.18784454 File: 1.21 MB, 760x1200, 010.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Did the author use the wrong kanji here? Using 伺う doesn't make any sense, whereas using 窺う would.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:16:44 No.18784463 >>18784388 https://okwave.jp/qa/q8511601.html

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:21:38 No.18784506 >>18784454 Yeah, you're going to see lots of very liberal kanji use in TLR, usually as jokes.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:26:41 No.18784553 File: 218 B, 150x150, 1519922836624.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] This site is pretty cool and I don't think I've seen it mentioned here before. https://irocore.com/

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:27:54 No.18784568 >want to read manga >but I can't use rikaichan or yomichan to add vocab to my deck Are you seriously adding vocab manually when reading manga?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:29:56 No.18784590 >>18784568 Kanjitomo.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:29:58 No.18784591 >>18784568 I did this for like 5 months pretty painful, maybe there was a better way to do it idk mane i couldnt figure out importing

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:31:17 No.18784607 >>18784454 >>18784506 fucking retards google it https://www.tokyo-sports.co.jp/blogwriter-matida/1481/ 「伺う」と「窺う」の使い分けのポイントとは 2012年11月09日

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:33:01 No.18784625 >>18784607 lmao, i don't give a fuck about what some sports faggot has to say

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:33:12 No.18784627 >>18784140 Or I could just read the book. Why do you consider downloading a picture from Wikipedia to be better than downloading a book and reading it?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:35:23 No.18784649 >>18784388 やる

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:37:40 No.18784673 >>18784627 Time. And also, there's a faraway parallel universe, where people pay for their books, I assumed you were from that place.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:38:37 No.18784684 >>18784625 sports rule you lil bitch especially in otaku media

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:40:06 No.18784700 File: 12 KB, 72x75, helpimdumb.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] what's this kanji?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:40:59 No.18784714 File: 47 KB, 780x438, 180402063004-shohei-ohtani-0401-restricted-exlarge-169.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18784684 Official mascot of this thread

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:41:48 No.18784720 >>18784700 羅

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:44:02 No.18784754 >>18784720 ty my friend

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:45:20 No.18784766 File: 57 KB, 1031x534, Capture.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18784714 hes filthy dude

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:49:51 No.18784804 >>18784673 I learned both kana in 6 hours, so it seemed pretty time efficient to me. I do agree that paying for an app/book to learn kana is a mistake.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:56:23 No.18784876 File: 37 KB, 483x913, 20180408仮名.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18784140 >katakana will be a bitch to decipher (シツソン, god damn I hate these) but you'll get used to it eventually. Hentaigana is the final boss.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:58:19 No.18784892 >>18784876 No, its manyogana.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:59:04 No.18784897 taihen backwards is hentai

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 14:59:16 No.18784900 >>18784876 I have a JP final coming up and you have no idea how tempted I am to try and sneak some of these in.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:00:13 No.18784904 >>18784897 Yagami backwards is 私はゲイ

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:01:35 No.18784913 File: 19 KB, 400x400, yzMOzU2P_400x400.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18784904 delete

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:02:53 No.18784925 light yagami.. 謎はすべて解けた

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:03:57 No.18784933 >>18784892 It's actually easy, as the kanji in manyougana have phonetic clues. Especially when you're reading a shitload of old texts, where it is used for transcribing Sanskrit or some Buddhist terms.).

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:06:06 No.18784948 >>18784904 Important question: Is ゲイ an い-adjective? Because if it isn't, you've all been using the the wrong way.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:06:13 No.18784949 File: 666 KB, 666x666, 1519615698808.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18784900

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:07:19 No.18784967 >>18784948 It's a noun.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:11:56 No.18785001 >>18784948 show me your best ゲイ sensei

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:13:35 No.18785014 >>18785001 Met a trap from tinder and 69ed and came in eachothers mouths

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:13:46 No.18785017 ive decided its finally time to let you all know the truth about わたし and ゲイ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K2sjOzIdiY

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:15:42 No.18785031 I need more listening practice and I've already watched all the anime worth watching. What do I watch now?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:17:02 No.18785034 >>18785031 If you've already seen every anime worth watching then what do you need more listening practice for? There's nothing worthwhile left to listen to.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:17:23 No.18785037 >>18785031 youre here just in time my kenzoku 1 post up

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:18:42 No.18785049 >>18785017 I love it when people manage to overcome their shitty anglo accents.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:19:26 No.18785051 >>18785034 My body can't go on without more listening practice >>18785037 I don't listen to disgusting white pigs who butcher the language

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:19:46 No.18785057 >>18785031 NHK news Right wing japanese propaganda Akira Kurosawa films

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:22:43 No.18785074 >>18785051 so why are you in this thread lol

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:27:55 No.18785108 File: 27 KB, 416x500, 1518826616889.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18785017 >honjitsu pfftt, non-native level CONFIRMED

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:27:59 No.18785109 こんなのどう思います？ http://youtu.be/9-n9PcVToZU#t=462

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:33:33 No.18785154 >>18785057 > Right wing japanese propaganda The Jews fear the samurai?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:36:12 No.18785178 If those black rappers had the tenacity to learn Japanese, why don't you? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7TDpqCCpO4

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:37:25 No.18785187 Is 生徒会長屋 and 生徒会長 the same thing?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:41:56 No.18785222 >>18785178 kokujin tensais still out there on the rap hustle dude >>18785187 effectively yes can you use them interchangeably i wouldnt

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:41:57 No.18785223 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6yzqYvTmRg

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:45:06 No.18785243 hows it feel to know these guys smoke you at nihongo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=io6Y8VEy998

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:46:10 No.18785250 >>18785222 >黒人 >not in 6k deck of course Also when you mentioned kokujin first thing that came to my mind was 国人

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:46:39 No.18785257 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofp_ffk0LM4

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:48:06 No.18785270 Anybody planning on uploading the remaining 物語シリーズ and アクセル・ワールド volumes?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:49:18 No.18785279 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2AmrOdMZqg how is this even possible?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:52:13 No.18785307 >>18785250 theres no way thatd be in a flashcard deck except maybe a cool people one also i think its good that you knew 国人物知りだね >>18785279 those were the days dude too bad he never got big

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:56:26 No.18785338 >>18785250 >国人 I was sure as hell the most popular reading was こくにん. I wonder why I thought that.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:57:38 No.18785349 >>18785307 He should come back, it's good time with soundcloud rap booming

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 15:59:48 No.18785362 >>18785349 hes got a soundcloud dude but im not gonna link it however you can find it easily if you desire

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 16:03:21 No.18785389 File: 61 KB, 986x498, 楽しい.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] todays nihongo word of the day is 楽しい check back tomorrow for the next nihongo word of the day

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 16:04:55 No.18785397 >>18785389 I'll be there.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 16:10:14 No.18785436 File: 43 KB, 667x576, 4579t45ytg7hy47gy49sgdfhjf.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18785362 by the way i highly recommend listening to "mouri motonari" its a track about a real og

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 16:27:31 No.18785548 >>18783472 I'm at that absolute beginner level where seeing Japanese letters in small sizes send me to the fritz.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 16:42:27 No.18785657 肌をくすぐるような刺激と、口の中に粉薬が残っているような不快感。 the part after comma means "Discomforting like remainings of dust inside my mouth."?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 16:46:39 No.18785683 >>18785657 its like if you ate sand

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 16:49:40 No.18785694 >>18785657 Medicine in the form of a powder So "An unpleasant feeling like leftover medicine powder stuck in one's mouth"

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 16:52:42 No.18785715 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5bxQahQ-E4 sweet tunes lads

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 16:56:05 No.18785735 >>18785715 i could lean to that

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:04:04 No.18785791 File: 292 KB, 841x1200, 141.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is the bottom left just 「〜ていい」, but with よろしい instead of いい?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:05:32 No.18785806 >>18785791 It's just hick talk, don't worry about it.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:10:07 No.18785836 気にしなくてよろしい

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:10:57 No.18785841 コンピューター科学に頑張らなくちゃ！

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:13:04 No.18785855 >>18785806 What the fuck are you on about, don't spout lies >>18785791 That's exactly right, and >>18785791 doesn't know what he's talking about, よろしい is more formal than いい

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:15:34 No.18785870 気にしなくてよーし

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:17:05 No.18785879 >>18785855 >Someone is right but doesn't know what they're talking about Is this...satori!?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:19:13 No.18785897 File: 68 KB, 640x610, rtvg75nygh45.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] in this convenient world of half-truths right and wrong have no meaning

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:27:26 No.18785942 だからきにしなくてもいいよおにいちゃん

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 17:38:42 No.18786009 >>18785791 みうらみうらしまうー >>18785942 どなたですのん

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 18:06:43 No.18786177 he just want to seem a adult to her. so he does say something like a teacher. usually,children doesn't say "よろしい”.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 18:10:03 No.18786194 File: 91 KB, 423x700, 9a6a3c18655c49da111de5329bd4be96.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Was there a website on which I can read manga in Japanese aside from mokuroku? せいかくにはデストロ246をよみたいんだ、あのブラック・ラグーンやヨルムンガンドをかいたさくしゃがかいてるそうでほんまよみたくなってんだ。

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 18:12:19 No.18786206 >>18786194 rawlh.com?

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 18:12:24 No.18786207

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_VkfK6BHXIXzQF83Kd6v7hHHcHLkb6DzYJ1Ht3Uk6KA/edit?usp=sharing

Manga ebooks. Comment on whatever you want uploaded and I may or may not get an email notification. Since this thread's on its way to 404, I'll post it in the next thread with any requests uploaded.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 18:13:22 No.18786213 >>18785855 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 18:24:45 No.18786274 File: 639 KB, 1280x720, Valmet_tries_to_kiss_Koko_(Jormungand_Ep_12).png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18786206 ざんねんながらハズレだそうだ。

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 18:24:48 No.18786276 What is a good Light novel to start with? I am looking for something fairly straightforward to get me used to a novel like writting style.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 18:30:58 No.18786315 >>18786276 キノの旅

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 18:53:40 No.18786483 >>18786207 Only the first volume is listed for a certain series, does that mean you don't have the rest?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:01:38 No.18786537 >>18784700 "gauze" t. Heisig.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:05:34 No.18786554 >>18786537 It worked because you still remember.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:08:48 No.18786575

>>18786194
May I ask why you want to read on your browser, as opposed to downloading the files and reading them locally? There aren't any sites like batoto for raw manga that I know of. Well, there's madokami, but they're not accepting new raw uploads for the time being.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:12:55 No.18786603 What easy non-comedy manga would you guys recommend for someone who is really into magical girls and stuff with similar tone?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:14:03 No.18786614 >>18786603 Sailor Moon?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:14:49 No.18786617 >>18786603 魔法騎士レイアース was easy for me as a beginner, the only think that tripped me up was さかい from one character that speaks 関西弁 (it means から/ので) and it's pretty short.

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:16:49 No.18786631 so after getting into listening I find out I always listen and comprehend faster than I can read at all, I hate being a retard

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:29:01 No.18786717 >嬲いやらしい文字

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:30:33 No.18786729

>>18786575
べつにダウンロードにははんたいじゃないよ。ちよっとことばっかいにいそいだだけ。

>>18786207
サンキューアミーゴ。
Would anyone be so kind as to paste デストロ246 in a new line on this anons worksheet please? It's the epitome of spoon-feeding but I'm having ファッキン technical problems. The author's name is 高橋慶太郎, in case you're anal about completeness of information.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:31:07 No.18786734
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>>18784607
Thank you for the article.

Unrelated but this here is a great example of my mid-way goal and a great ambition: to get to the point where I would describe a kanji like 伺 not as a "dude-radical and a chief radical", but as "にんべんに司と書いて" - because as I know from learning English I will never advance anywhere if have to keep using one language to describe another.

That said, is there a way to attach some J>J dictionary to Yomichan?
Would anyone here have a necessary dictionary file?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:33:34 No.18786750 >>18786729 Oh ok, I was confused because you said "read", not "download". In that case, apart from mokuroku/CoR, I use nyaa and assorted blogs that you can find by googling the Japanese title plus "zip", "raw", etc.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:34:31 No.18786758

>>18786734
>describe a kanji like 伺 as "にんべんに司と書いて"
It's a great ambition for sure (I wanted to be able to do it too), but I'm not sure if it's a mid-way goal. Radical names sounds too much like specialized vocabulary. If that's a mid-way goal, what is your final goal? Calligraphy commentary?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:37:12 No.18786786 >>18786729 >>18786729 By the way, you can find the manga you're looking for if you do what I said (google "デストロ246 zip").

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:38:28 No.18786798 わ↓ーわ↑ーわ↓ーおなかすいた

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:39:11 No.18786805 >>18786631 What listening resources do you use?

>>	Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:42:39 No.18786824 >>18786758 Final goal is complete fluency. "Mid-way goal" might not have been the best choice of a word here - I think of it as an unskippable stepping stone.

Anonymous Sun, Apr 8, 2018 19:43:11 No.18786829
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>>18786729
ことばづかい*

>>18786750
Downloading slipped my mind altogether, I guess it's because I'm used to reading scanlations online.
>>18786786
I'm trying your suggestions now, thanks. Would be nice if there were a repository for all manga raws that have been cleaned up before translation though.

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