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This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, Japanese video games, etc.

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Previous Thread >>18563569

>> No.18581885
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イジらないで、長瀞さん 第一巻 when
少女終末旅行 第六巻 when

>> No.18581941

They've already been published.

>> No.18581949


>> No.18581984

I'm starting to think this is like the Tulpa community where everyone is just about to succeed and needs a bit more time and knows 5 other guys who've already done it, but in reality no one has ever successfully created one, as its physically impossible.

Is there even ONE person here who has managed to learn Japanese during the 10-something years this threads have been going on?

>> No.18582051

do people use "timeboxing" in anki with the reps?

>> No.18582099

I started in August 2012 and I learned Japanese
I don't know how to prove it to you though, I did score 180/180 on N1 without trying but that test is retardedly easy so it doesn't mean much.

>> No.18582109

>I did score 180/180 on N1 without trying
What brings you to these threads today?

>> No.18582121

Habit. It's one of the few threads on /jp/ I check regularly. If there's anyone asking questions I help out, but most of the time it's just people shitposting and arguing semantics or talking about their flashcards so I don't participate much.

>> No.18582153

>I did score 180/180 on N1
You could prove this by posting a time-stamped picture of your certificate, but of course you won't since it didn't happen.

>> No.18582155

>Is there even ONE
Well, there's at least two, who got scores of 176+ on JLPT N1. Both posted timestamped photos of their scorecard. I'm sure if you look hard enough you can find it in archives.
A high score on that test has some correlation with knowing Japanese.
We asked how they did it, both said they just read eroge for years.
I started dropping by here in late 2014 and I still haven't learned Japanese. But I haven't really put in the time or work; I've only read like 2 books.

>> No.18582172

people who put any stake in the jlpt are eternally doomed

>> No.18582193

You are comparing language learning and inflicting shizophrenia on yourself.

>> No.18582204

>Is there even ONE person here who has managed to learn Japanese during the 10-something years this threads have been going on?
It depends on what you mean by "knowing japanese".

>> No.18582214

I've read nearly 40 Japanese novels and I still haven't even come close to learning Japanese. At this point I am getting desperate and pretty much considering trying the meme techniques /djt/ is always shitting on like enrolling in a language school or taking college classes.

>> No.18582259

You just didn't watch enough Anime.

>> No.18582270

I've also watched literally hundreds of hours of jikkyou videos on youtube.

>> No.18582278

Should've watched IWBTG let's plays instead.

>> No.18582292

so what do you mean you havent learned japanese if youve spent all this time on books and youtube videos

im pretty sure i know what you mean but its important to identify it not only for yourself but for others

>> No.18582312

I don't believe them. I learned Japanese after reading two hundred chapters of manga and fifty hours of visual novels. Of course, I did a lot of studying aside from that input, but still.

>> No.18582313

>I've read nearly 40 Japanese novels and I still haven't even come close to learning Japanese
You would have been fluent in reading if you would mine every word worth learning that you come across. Well, at least you enjoyed it, I guess.

>> No.18582332

34000 fucking anki cards and I can still easily add 50-100 new cards in a day if I want.

>> No.18582349

Post deck statistics.

>> No.18582352

No, you can't.

>> No.18582355

When did you take the exam and achieve that score?

>> No.18582365

40 novels is nothing. Remember, Japanese people spend years upon years in constant exposure to Japanese before they get competent in the language (and no, children are not competent even if they are technically fluent). Wanna know a nasty fact? Japanese people can easily read a full novel in a day, even an afternoon. 40 novels? Don't make me laugh, that's barely equivalent to how much Japanese a native is exposed to a single month. Come back and complain about not being fluent when you've read hundreds of VNs, thousands of books, and countless manga chapters, not to mention having a non-stop stream of Japanese audio in the background for listening practice.

>> No.18582391

Translation note for people not into vernacular Japanese culture: visual novels are typically a soft order of magnitude (4~10x) longer than short full-fledged novels.

>> No.18582412

>I can still easily add 50-100 new cards in a day if I want.
I have more than 22k and I have too but I would have to read for 3 hours+ straight or read something even natives struggle with. Last book I've read was 三四郎 and I added ~325 words from the whole book.

>> No.18582443

Can you please post your deck statistics and kanji-grids? Also please give provide an overview of what you read on a daily basis.

>> No.18582480

Tulpas aren't schizophrenia.

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I'm >>18582412 anon. I told about 22k since I had two decks with more than 1k words each that got to the dumpster. 21k is fine nevertheless.

>> No.18582490

Can I ask what do people do to deepen their familiarity with kana in order to increase their reading speed? Do they write the kana with pen and paper repeatedly, or are there any special kana-oriented Anki decks besides basic ones? Considering how kana are usually found in sequences within Japanese sentences, just because able to near instantly recognize kana individually doesn't feel like it would do much to prepare a person to holistically and quickly comprehend sentences. I had the crazy-seeming idea of an autogenerated Anki deck with random sequences of 5-10 kana with a 1-second timer, but I'm not sure if that would even help.

>> No.18582491

Full deck statistics and kanji grid, please.

>> No.18582499

Read more

>> No.18582513

guys how soon should i study kana? i already learned all the romaji in five months. i think i'm ready to move on to the next step.

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Kanji grid but it's not a useful stat of anything.

>> No.18582572

>but it's not a useful stat of anything
It shows what your vocab are actually composed of, which is far more valuable than X number of random facts with no indication of what they are.
With that many kanji and at least a strong degree of familiarity with some of their readings via vocab, it would be surprising if the other anon who apparently has far more words had more kanji. In fact I'd assume he has less reading familiarity with kanji compared to you which is why it may be able to add far more words despite the difference in deck sizes.

Could you please post the full deck statistics? A time scale is important here and rate of added cards plus time spent on each card is important and helps fill in the larger picture.

>> No.18582590

I'll post after completing today reviews if you insist.

>> No.18582597

Thank you. Data like this is worth more than hearsay, you have to understand.

>> No.18582650

I can't make kanjigrid work D:

>> No.18582662

why u guys have such a hard on for this stuff? spend more time studying instead off beating off to eachothers statistics and you'll reach his level too.

>> No.18582670

You should go back to /r/learnjapanese

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>> No.18582732

>why u guys have such a hard on for this stuff?
It should be self evident from the posts: I want anons to substantiate their claims so their claims can be a useful point of reference.

Why are you doing damage control here? Are you an anon who made a claim he cannot substantiate? Why are you here suddenly telling others not to look behind the curtain? Do you not see the irony in being in a learning thread telling others to go and study while asking why anyone cares about the only objective measures of said study?

Honest question: are you >>18582332 and now sweating over being called out? Or are you >>18582121 which dubious claims, an arrogant attitude and a refusal to provide any relevant details? You are not being honest here, that much is obvious.

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Back to studying.

>> No.18582773

nah that's not me. i'm just bored and fishing for responses. and it also just irks me when people are so fascinated with someone elses achievements. in the end it doesn't matter because looking at them isn't gonna make you learn any faster. what i learned about all this language learning shit is that you just gotta do what works for you and not follow anyone.

>> No.18582964

It looks like rakuten and amazon both have the same raws for old series. I haven't checked for new ones, but they both get better quality raws the closer you get to the current date.

>> No.18582984

>I've read nearly 40 Japanese novels and I still haven't even come close to learning Japanese.
You need to define what you mean by "learn Japanese"

>Spending hours every day flipping thousands of flash cards

The answer is >>18582499
You've seen that thing where the letters are all mxied aornud but you can slitl raed the wdros as lnog as the fsrit and lsat ltetres are in pcale?
It works the same with kana actually. Just read. The more you read the faster you will get.

>> No.18583028

He's neither. He's named Jamal, and he is a troll in the original sense: always saying very stupid things to shit up the thread.
Still, not sure why you think >>18582121 is obligated to get into a pissing contest with anyone, least of all you. Even if he posts a timestamped photo of his N1 cert would it really change anything for you? You've already been told how to learn the language and you're STILL asking for stupid ass kanji grids.

>> No.18583057

that wasnt me just fyi i dont use periods but i get them

>> No.18583075

You can use the filesize and pagecount information on the amazon pages to guess its resolution. 1280px tall stuff is usually around 250KB/page, 1920px tall stuff is usually around 550KB/page, though it varies a lot and there are other resolutions than those two.

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>> No.18583204

upload your deck please

>> No.18583207

>learned japanese in 3 years due to having a friend who I exclusively talk to in japanese
>faggots ITT are pushing that learning japanese is an insurmountable wall.
>using the meme that even after learning the language you still have to learn new words everyday, like every fucking language ever.

Is this just scare tactics to scare away the faggots who won't put the time and effort into language learning?

>> No.18583249

>learned japanese

Citation needed

>> No.18583266


>> No.18583308

>rtk doesn't have kanji readings
how the fuck do I remedy this,I want to be able to understand spoken Japanese.

>> No.18583334

RTK's goal is to help you recognise kanji shapes as well as help you remember them. it makes learning new words faster.

They won't have readings

>> No.18583347

then if I know the kanji and what they mean how do I learn the reading

>> No.18583356

The second book of RTK actually teaches on-readings.
It's shit. Don't learn individual readings, learn vocab.

>> No.18583358

by reading and learning vocab

>> No.18583376

Okay, in case your're a misguided beginner and not a troll, let me help you.

食:く、 た、しょく、じき

食べる: たべる

>> No.18583399

Lmao...it is kind of true really..

You need first hand expierence

The tulpa community's a lot of role play also.


>> No.18583405

last question
where and how do I find any kanji that I don't know,if I only know what it looks like /how it's spelt
My only idea is OCR but I don't know if that would work

>> No.18583414


>> No.18583416

jisho.org if you know the reading
translate.google.com if you want to handwrite the kanji. Switch to Japanese and click the handwriting icon below the textbox.
Jisho has handwriting recognition too, but it's much worse than google's.

>> No.18583418

That's how readings are presented in RTK.

>> No.18583423

Yes, this is exactly why the second RTK book is worthless.

>> No.18583440

the general rule of thumb is to do the first book then use other resources.

>> No.18583446

I'm so bad at drawing I think I'll get one of my friends to help me whenever I don't know a word.
but anyway thanks for that.

>> No.18583451

Try it at least, google's handwriting recognition can do some miracles. It's especially good if you mostly get the stroke order right. If you've done RTK, you should have decent stroke orders.

>> No.18583459

I have better results with chinese input for some reason but I guess it won't work with simplified japanese kanjis.

>> No.18583464

I started in 2014 and know enough now to read most things I'm interested in. I may not be able to converse well and I'm still having trouble sometimes watching live action/anime without Japanese subtitles, but those things weren't my main goal.

My piece of advice would be to focus on your own and not others' progress. Just keep going at it regularly, no matter how slow or fast you learn and you'll be good.

>> No.18583484

I wish they threw out 90% of the words for "suddenly" and "unexpectedly". I swear I have like a hundred synonyms in my mining deck for that.

>> No.18583505

What about "situation"?

>> No.18583506

It's not just those two words. The unfortunate reality is that the higher average IQ of the Japanese race means that they can retain and use a much larger pool of words for similar concepts than we can, hence it is so difficult for us to learn their language.

>> No.18583516

Thanks for the responses. The "Can You Raed Tihs" effect is exactly what was on my mind, so it's cool to see you mention that. Pushing myself to read more sounds like a plan, especially since lately I've actually had the motivation to do so.

>> No.18583521

>actually believing this fucking meme
holy shit, I now know why faggots in /djt/ find japanese so hard. They don't want to experience the journey instead of rushing towards the destination.

>> No.18583579

You need to go back, newfag.

>> No.18583597

I lurked the /a/ /djt/ threads and it's still the fucking same. literal excuses on why they find learning the language hard and wasting their time.

the int thread actually converses in the language, so they people learning actually learn shit. too bad it's mostly dead.

I stand by my fucking point that you retards don't want to experience the journey in learning japanese and just want to get to the destination.

>> No.18583599

Alright, now fuck off.

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>> No.18583654

Thanks for exposing the fact that you don't know Japanese either lel.

>> No.18583697

Not him but dude has a point. Bitchin about the amount of readings or synonym a word has does absolutely nothing. Just get over it and keep going. The amount of self defeatist in this bitch is too high.

>> No.18583728

The famous phrase of "you do not know japanese" is the most retarded phrase ever. Any language you learn or even your native one has words that you don't know yet.

The only decent thing is the guide but thats it. I swear that defeatist meme book girl is the worst thing in the history of DJT.

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英語のメ二ューはありますか? 日本語を話せません

>> No.18583815

>the int thread actually converses in the language
I think you are confusing the /djt/ thread with the Japanese thread

>> No.18583824

Nope, im talking about the /djt/ thread. it had people talking in the language as well.

the language thread is just filled with general stuff and shitposts about random jargon but it's a great supliment.

>> No.18583839

>The famous phrase of "you do not know japanese" is the most retarded phrase ever. Any language you learn or even your native one has words that you don't know yet.
In your case you only know a few words (assuming you didn't just look them up to write that sentence) and have no grasp on the grammar and made a completely fucked up sentence

>> No.18583860

Im writing this shit at 5am anon. Cut me some fucking slack, but my point still stands that the phrase is utterly retarded.

doing a Japanese movie marathon is the biggest mistake I've done right now, fuck.

>> No.18583873

Someone telling you that you don't know Japanese means you don't know enough to be considered as someone who knows Japanese. Not everything is to be taken literally, maybe this is why you struggle with Japanese

>> No.18583882

I scanned through the thread and all I saw was a Japanese flag replying to a couple posts in Japanese and getting no replies back

>> No.18583902

>he doesn't furiously google every little phrase he writes to see if natives have written it or something similar to it before to make sure he's correct
never gonna make it tbqh

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Anon I don't struggle with it, I found it very satisfying when I learnt 2000+ kanji over the course of 2+ years.

I just hate the defeatist attitude that scares newbies away, specifically, this bitch right here.

I just want to understand the "I need to hurry and learn the language" direction these threads have taken, because shouldn't it be daily and slow process anyway?.

The general direction is so detrimentive but at this point im having an autistic rant so my bad.

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>Only 2000

>> No.18583920

>studied over 2 years
>still makes a fucked up sentence like that
Did you perhaps spend 2 years doing RTK or something similiar while doing no reading or watching anime?

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Language exchange pays off.

>> No.18583934

I used to think this was a big deal too. But realized it's only the tip of the iceberg.

>> No.18583936

I read a lot of LN's since that seems the best way. I avoided anime and went with live action since they use phrases that are actually natural.

I just wish I had the free time to study for like 8+ though and it makes me wish I was a fucking NEET.

>> No.18583950


not him but you're pretty much fucking stupid if you need to know all the kanji. most important thing is the vocab.

unless your goal is to read ancient japanese texture and delve deeper into the culture.

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>> No.18583954

Pretty sure live action shows are no different from anime in the kind of phrases they use

>> No.18583966

gives you pretty bad habits. If you watch a show that has a character who mostly use informal shit then you might pick it up.

I guess it depends on the person.

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>> No.18583994

Plenty of anime have plenty of characters who have normal speech patterns. If you aren't a retard it's very easy to know when a character is using some weird speech

>> No.18584000

I probably have a retarded friend. He has a very basic understanding of japanese and keeps using bakugous shit from my hero academia when I keep telling him that what he uses is very impolite and rude in general.

>> No.18584013

Well he sounds like someone who doesn't care about learning Japanese and just likes to say whatever his favorite anime characters say

>> No.18584023

I wouldnt say that, hes very dedicated when it comes to language learning. He learnt chinese so I can imagine it must be very fucking easy to learn japanese but he keeps on learning rude shit.

Drives me insane at times on how he manages to find shows that has a lot of impoilte shit. Maybe he likes watching shows with deliquents or some shit so I guess it still depends on what you're interested in.

>> No.18584069

>wanting to be a "polite" cuck

>> No.18584083

>using cuck unironically
I should've expected this

>> No.18584108

Well it still sounds like he just likes to say whatever his favorite characters say. Just because he uses that kind of Japanese doesn't really mean he thinks that is "normal" Japanese, he just finds it more fun

>> No.18584115

you say that but he sometimes uses it with language partners that he has. fucking kill me.

>> No.18584146 [DELETED] 

Who saving up for Japan here?

I'm going with my GF soon since my dream is too learn Japanese

>> No.18584152

>GF (male)

>> No.18584231

>There are people in the thread that could write this but not say it or recognize it spoken, and probably don't know the pronunciation of the kanji despite knowing what they mean

I believe it
Boy would that be confusing to a native

>> No.18584238

>Not being sent to work abroad while getting your MBA for free with no contractual obligation to continue on with said company
Studying a real major in college was the right move
Fucking humanities neets are scum

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Well that conversation was entirely metaphorical. Japanese can be delicious but hilariously many people find it discusting.

I think japanese tastes like a cluster fuck of flavours mixed into one serving that is strangely nice.

>> No.18584250

Wat do after vol.1 of よつばと! ?
Keep going with vol.2 or are there some other comfy manga to continue my reading with?

>> No.18584254

I also meant disgusting but you get the idea.

>> No.18584262

Oh god it's an ESL
¡Abandona este lugar, pendejo!

>> No.18584269

Stop learning Japanese now before you waste any more time. It will literally waste thousands of hours of your life that you could be spending learning an actual useful skill.

>> No.18584274

I did a small typo anon. Please don't bully!

>> No.18584275


Only learn Japanese if you already have a career

>> No.18584284

>Only learn Japanese if you already have a career
No, I have a career that I don't care about and that just makes things worse since it eats up even more of your time so there is nothing left for other hobbies/interests. You should have said only learn Japanese if you're a NEET.

>> No.18584285

>t. never learned "knee hon goe"
I tried to convey the feeling of a person who lacks a basic understanding of pitch accent.

How did I do.

>> No.18584287

>be me
>learned japanese for the fuck of it
>get a decent job
>get promoted because I know more than one langauge
sometimes it's the little things that make it sorta worth it. I agree that it's a waste though.

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The point of 4chan's toxicity is to keep out plebs and to harden those willing to take their lumps

This thread is full of defeatists who haven't achieved anything and a few that are actually working hard
Go to /r9k/ or a height thread on /fit/ if you want to sulk about how doomed you are and how everyone else must also be as doomed and defeated as you


>> No.18584341

you used too many silent letters so it doesnt really show disgusting gaijin nighongo

>> No.18584345


It's only a waste if you feel like it's a waste, in the end nothing matters and our existence is completely insignificant. Spend your time in a manner that you personally find fulfilling and worthwhile, and not according to the words of other people who have different personalities and values from you.

The greatest trap you can fall into in life is believing those telling how you should lead your life purely because that's how they lead theirs.

>> No.18584346

how about "NEE-HAN-GOAL" instead?

>> No.18584355

You described the entirety of DJT, well done.

>> No.18584356

Oh My Wah Moe Sheen Day Roo

>> No.18584363

holy fuck I laughed like a retard. A REE GAH TOE, GOH ZAY MATHS

>> No.18584380

here check this out youtu.be/ar1P85EkfuI#t=102

>> No.18584381

What does it mean if there are dakuten on a hiragana that shouldn't be able to have them?
Like a ぬ with dakuten

>> No.18584433

I'm not very confident in my recognition of words once kana get involved. I find it hard to tell how a verb is being conjugated sometimes, and I have a lot of difficulty remembering many particles. Would you recommend something like flashcards just for conjugations, or for particles?

>> No.18584441

Get Genki with the workbooks and do the exercises.

>> No.18584444

>Would you recommend something like flashcards just for conjugations, or for particles?
I just read more along side looking at grammar guides like a filthy pleb looking at game wikis

>> No.18584474

I often do have to look it up but I don't seem to remember it. I think that the kanji make words easier to remember visually, but looking at a long string of kana for a verb conjugation doesn't do the same. Could it be because I'm only reading instead of speaking or listening? I'm not sure I'll get the chance anytime to do those though.

>> No.18584494

>Could it be because I'm only reading instead of speaking or listening?
No, you just don't trust what you're reading yet.

>> No.18584499

>Could it be because I'm only reading instead of speaking or listening? I'm not sure I'll get the chance anytime to do those though.
Why is that? I've always listened to shit while preparing/eating food, doing dishes, laundry, etc.

>> No.18584504

I don't have a cell phone, and my computer isn't where I can listen while doing other work.

What does that mean? I lack confidence?

>> No.18584527

what is a good LN for a begginer?

>> No.18584549

Something you want to read

>> No.18584551


>> No.18584555 [DELETED] 

Yeah imdef hanging out here more under anon..I need this youthful optimisctic stuff. My GF is a lazy cunt.

I need to go finish school .__. I just want o to play jrpgs and watch pro wrestling .__.

>> No.18584556

>the int thread actually converses in the language, so they people learning actually learn shit. too bad it's mostly dead.

Reading badly written Japanese by gaijins actually lowers your level.

>> No.18584565

I only read the japanese flags

>> No.18584581

I don't know anything about LNs, friends recommended overlord zero:re or kizumonogatari but I don't think it's appropriate for a begginer, right?

>> No.18584583 [DELETED] 

Yeah because everyone knows it's better to spend thousands of hours on learning a language sitting in your basement being a jobless virgin instead of getting a career and fucking hot bitches

>> No.18584599 [DELETED] 

it is actually

>> No.18584605

Of course.

>> No.18584607 [DELETED] 

learning a language just so you can jerk off to porn games is just vapid escapism, anon

>> No.18584608

It takes you like 5 minutes to download the first chapter of all of those and see for yourself if you can read them

>> No.18584610

It most certainly is.

>> No.18584629 [DELETED] 

there is no such thing as escapism, jacking off to porn all day is what I want to do with my life

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>> No.18584649

this リア充 seems rather confused by where he is kek

>> No.18584667


>> No.18584679 [DELETED] 

Tell yourself that in 5 years

>> No.18584680 [DELETED] 

im jacking off right now

>> No.18584699


>> No.18584751

been telling it to myself every five years and never stopped being true

>> No.18584798 [DELETED] 

what are you supposed to wake up one day and not want to jack off anymore

i cant even imagine that kind of pathetic life

>> No.18584819 [DELETED] 

When mommy can't pay for you anymore and your gas station job can't pay the bills and you don't have any free time left for jacking off

>> No.18584831

Stop replying to the troll you fucking newfags

>> No.18584839

im pretty sure people of all walks have time to jack off

i cant even imagine that kind of pathetic life

take your own advice champ lol

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>> No.18584872

if it's porn it means it's muffled

>> No.18584873

to give them more oomph mostly

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>> No.18584894

I thought knowing about 1000 kanji would make me sorta stronk at reading but even now that I have 1400 I know that was foolish.

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>> No.18584904

what good is 1000 pieces of information when youre looking at a pool of multiple thousands

>> No.18584918


I fell for the "the first 500 kanji account for 80% of what you see" meme without considering that even if you know 95% of what you see that is still 1/20 that you don't know. And those 1/20 also tend to be grouped up together.

>> No.18584958

Moege needs about 1900-2000.
Average difficulty story VNs will need about 2200-2500.
Tryhard shit 3000+

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>> No.18585012

the idea is you might know what some kanji and words look like in isolation but that doesnt really matter in the real world so much

even if you "know" 4000 kanji if you take a passage of text and represent it graphically as a bunch of pixels there will still only be a small amount of pixels lit up from the rest as ones you actually understand and know

>> No.18585016

and with only some pixels lit and the rest dark you thus cannot see the clear picture

>> No.18585038

pls upload deck
i suck you cock

>> No.18585059

Or it's pronounced a little funny. I mostly see it on dramatic yells and stuff.

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this reddit thread just keeps on giving

>> No.18585280

>see card
>can't say what it is
>look away from the screen and click show card
>instantly know the word
>look at screen
>it was right

Every time. Why does clicking make me instantly remember the words?

>> No.18585290

thanks for letting us know you use reddit so often that you have custom theme settings for it you fucking loser

>> No.18585318

That's a browserwide dark theme addon you dip

t. different

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>get reading wrong
>hit good again anyway

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idk about you but i can't suffer with a white bg on anything for more than 2 minutes

>> No.18585357
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reset the card or i reset your life

>> No.18585359

People really struggle with learning Kanji?

They're usually pretty easy when you think of them from a primitives standpoint.

>> No.18585425

inferiority complex is a great motivator, this guy might just succeed

>> No.18585467

Sure, but imagine being salty about a literal who on reddit for years on end lol

>> No.18585550
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So pic related is pretty old. You guys should play 吸血姫のリブラ it's like fate but with actually hot girls and good H scenes.

>> No.18585694

does it have power levels

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>> No.18585825

Can someone explain to me what replacing the る of verbs with り does? For instance:

帰る → 帰り
下る → 下り
終わる → 終わり

>> No.18585863

It's often called a masu-stem, since if you put ます after that it becomes polite. You can google the rest or read in your favorite guide/book.
Used alone the verb becomes a noun, like 終わり becomes "an/the end" from "to end". And you can chain verbs with it.

>> No.18585870

What theme do you use on 4chan?

H scenes are inherently bad and take away from the work.

>> No.18585872

It is called the 連用形

You can use it to chain verbs or connect clauses, or you can use it as a noun meaning the action of the verb (like 終わり becomes the noun "end")

>> No.18585892

is flyable heart good?

>> No.18585899

>H scenes are inherently bad and take away from the work.
It'll help you talk dirty to your waifu tho

>> No.18585901
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i liked it, except for the tiny res
but i was informed awhile ago i have to get used to that, as a lot of kamige are stuck like this

>> No.18585973

Is it better to learn the language then focus on pronunciation or should I try to get rid of my accent early on before I get bad habits?

>> No.18585988

Who are you kidding, it's not like you will ever have a talking partner.

>> No.18585992

you're white so it doesn't matter what your accent is like

>> No.18586001

Do both. Pronunciation really isn't hard, especially considering the tiny number of sounds Japanese has.

If you know English, I'd say you already know most of those sounds to boot.

And, realistically speaking, you will always sound like a foreigner unless you get professional help.

>> No.18586007

i wish i had learned pitch accent early on. people will say that you learn it just by listening but that's not really true, you need to be actively aware of it and how it works or you'll never really pick it up. dogen is an example of someone who put a heavy emphasis on phonetics from the very beginning and he has a very, very good accent.

>> No.18586012

Pitch accent actually does matter, since it affects the impression of what you're saying quite a lot.

>> No.18586023

Why did you reply to the guy who was baiting

>> No.18586057
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How would you define ずっと? I found "all day, from start to finish" that came with mi deck not helpful enough, Google is telling me "forever" and Jisho isn't being helpful either.

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>> No.18586064


Where the fuck did that "i" in my came from?

>> No.18586121

Can't read japanese yet, haven't even finished the core 2k.

>> No.18586143

Then do that first. Reading with context is about the only way that word is going to gel

>> No.18586241

is this art
https://www twitch tv/akira8524

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>> No.18586428

You learned 21000 cards in a year?

>> No.18586437

Could be chinese

>> No.18586506

It's not in english so I can't see the point.

>> No.18586535

>Average difficulty story VNs will need about 2200-2500.
An average VN has 2200-2500 kanjis in text but you need a lot more than because you never know what would be there. From my experience 3500-4000 kanjis is safe bet from my experience but you will occasionally see words like 鴆 and 蛟 that are on 4000-5000+ frequency positions anyway.

>> No.18586537

what does から means in the middle of the sentences and in the end? I can't figure it out

>> No.18586552

In the end it's often this case which is often ignored for some reason when explaning the particle:
But it should be examined case by case.

>> No.18586573

Dat k and s swap.

>> No.18586601

Are you retarded?

>> No.18586605

i just want to mine the words out of it

>> No.18586615

That is a terrible idea. You're way better off mining from things that you are interested in and reading such that you'll be able to read those works while having to look up fewer words than usual in the short term as you build up your vocabulary.

>> No.18586623

thanks for the advice, guy who is just learning the word 消去

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>> No.18586639

stop being retarded any time thanks

>> No.18586645

ww いや、もういい。
どうぞ https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwgua2rZwmHoQ3hlblpmbFVtbXc/view?usp=sharing

>> No.18586757
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This is starting to get frustrating.

If I reduce the daily new cards down to 1 and take a few days to clear the backlog, will this help me or fuck up my pace?

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Pic related, I think I have some sort of learning disability.

>> No.18586772

No, you're just spending far too long per card.

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Yea man, you're kind of spending an unreal amount of time.

>> No.18586804

Did I say this right?


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ive been emo about my retention the past couple days

my time per card is 15s which is probably on the high end. do you multitask or something

>> No.18586814

People on /int/ actually care about production, go ask them

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Fuck yes I get easily distracted and also have a fucked up sleeping schedule.
Another thing I do is that I spend a lot on time on one card if I remember the meaning but not how to pronounce it, way past one minute on some.

ALSO I'm ESL (spanish), so that's probably fucking me up too.

>> No.18586858

download this one
and set it to ten seconds

>> No.18586863

anybody else try doing the core deck in inverse mode (show kana and example sentence, try to remember the writing for the kanji)?

i've been doing it for a while and it actually is helping me be non-shit at handwriting things, plus you fucking know it the characters i can write, i can read.

>> No.18586870

Handwriting is useless.

>> No.18586887

For some people, knowing the motions of drawing the kanji can aid in memory. It can also be easier to draw a kanji whose definition you don't know instead of trying to look it up by radical. And lastly, working on writing kanji and learning how they might look can be useful for identifying sloppy or abnormal styles of writing.

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>> No.18586925

Reminder to only use 外国人

NEVER use が*じん

>> No.18586926

All wrong. The memory is reinforced by exposure time; handwriting only increases that, which can also be done far easier from reading.
Sloppy handwriting and abnormal fonts that are hard to read are cancer, no matter the language.

>> No.18586928

Shut up 外人

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shitty accent, unintelligible

>> No.18586953


> All wrong. The memory is reinforced by exposure time; handwriting only increases that, which can also be done far easier from reading

Here's a nice summary I found on the benefits of handwriting. Although it's mostly talking about teaching handwriting to children so it might not be completely relevant to adult learners.


>> No.18586957

t. "learning a language only to watch cartoons"

>> No.18586963


>> No.18586970

next time don't say useless, it makes all the braindead N4 RTK morons come out of the woodwork
just say it's really stupid or extremely inefficient or something and they should just learn words and read instead of drawing pictures

or just hit em with the classic

>> No.18586976

>extremely inefficient
Inefficient at what? Handwriting teaches you handwriting. If you're learning handwriting because you think it will teach you Japanese, sure, that's pretty stupid.
It is indeed useless, but you shouldn't judge your interests on usefulness if you're learning Japanese.

>> No.18586982

why are you being obtuse my dude?
this thread for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, Japanese video games, etc. so of course it means inefficient at getting good enough to read and watch those things

never reply to me again btw

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>he doesn't do his reps like this
enjoy dekinai'ing for a decade

>> No.18586994

You write out the front of the card?

Are you retarded?

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>> No.18587004


>> No.18587007

Yes. Good job. Keep it up.

>> No.18587008

You're obviously responding to the first question and not the second, so please explain in detail what you do.

>> No.18587022

What's so hard to understand? I write the kanji after seeing the answer.
>hurr but why write front u retard
Because writing a bunch of kana achieves nothing.

>> No.18587024


here >>18572511

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>> No.18587037

And you think writing Kanji you are looking at achieves something other than wasting your time?


>> No.18587040
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is this the best japanese deck?


>> No.18587041

Other than VNs, are there any good vidya for listening/reading practice? Like maybe an RPG or something?

>> No.18587044

Honestly this is the point I want to get to. I decided to pick up learning recently. I don't expect to be speaking Japanese but I wanna be able to decipher text since I look at it so often. I'm tired of either Google translating and getting a botched response or asking the few people I know that know how to read it.

>> No.18587051

just the included "Tomorrow" one

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>> No.18587066

Does anybody have any suggestions for a good anki vocab deck?

>> No.18587105
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>> No.18587112

I know about the core deck already. I was just wondering if there are better ones than that, since I've heard some people mention a most common VN words deck for example

>> No.18587117

well now your question is a lot better now that it has context to base a recommendation on.
but the best deck for you will always be one you mine on your own

>> No.18587120


>> No.18587129


why not? i couldn't find a better one

>> No.18587144

What do you think is good about it?

>> No.18587173


it gives japanese sentences with audio. i can press r(which repeats the audio) until they instilled in my brain

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>> No.18587178


they are instilled*

>> No.18587206

Why are you posting here instead of r/LearnJapanese ?

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>> No.18587251

Why does DoJG suddenly start throwing a bunch of less common words at you like there's no tomorrow when you get to the intermediate section?
It just makes things needlessly burdensome when you need to copy paste stuff into the dictionary all the time, instead of actually learning the grammar points, which could've been illustrated with much more basic vocabulary.

>> No.18587266

Like what?

>> No.18587271

I'm pretty sure that's what the other person was asking when you said no.
Even if you do want to be able to write it's not going to do shit for your recall if you're already looking at the answer. So what do you think it's achieving? Getting better at writing neatly?

>> No.18587276

Why aren't you just using the translations? You can pick out any of the words in the Japanese sentences based on the translations, when the translations aren't obviously wrong.

>> No.18587278

Is this impacting your ability to look shit up, or are you memorizing a grammar dictionary instead of getting better at Japanese? Haven't heard this comment before is all.

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>> No.18587301

Here's a breakdown for you:
Almost no one here thinks sentences are worth your time.
Even people who do use sentences consider it a form mining. The point of mining is to practice shit you might remember running into on your own, and to practice shit that is actually the kind of shit that you are running into on a daily basis in the material that you are using. That means make it yourself. You're doing yourself a disservice by looking for an easy way out. If you know nothing, you can do 1-2k words of core first.
>I took ~60 000 translated japanese sentences from the internet.
That's says absolutely nothing about the quality. You have no clue if any of this shit was even written by natives.
>I added audio
So text to speech. Silence is better than text to speech if you don't know the language well enough to be able to tell if text to speech is fucking up or not.

>> No.18587306

I'm not saying it's anything particularly advanced, but they could easily leave words like 塩分 out.

The cards don't even have furigana in the example sentences, outside the scanned pictures.

It's adding some minutes of study time to each card, as looking stuff up interrupts the flow and makes it harder for things to click into place conveniently.

>> No.18587315

>The cards don't even have furigana in the example sentences
You don't need furigana.

Also, you're trying to READ the deck? Don't do that. If you want to read it use https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/ not the deck.

>> No.18587320

Are the games in steam about learning japanese a meme?

>> No.18587323

read the guide tard

>> No.18587329

Yes. You are better off playing a Japanese game with Japanese audio and subs instead of one of those meme games

>> No.18587330

>you're trying to READ the deck?
Yes? What's the point in having example sentences if you don't read them?

>> No.18587335

Example sentences on cards exist to show you the particular sense of whatever thing you're actually learning actually uses. There's no use in learning that のに means "even though" if you don't understand where it's placed and which half of the statement takes priority. You're not supposed to memorize them, and you definitely don't need to be able to sound them out. That's for reading. Anki is not a replacement for reading, no matter what you put into Anki.

>> No.18587452

>start doing core 2k
>doing okay
>after a few weeks all the new cards are piling up and I'm struggling
>stop adding new cards
>only do reviews for a good week
>get better at those cards and get my daily reviews down ~50 cards
>turn new cards on again
>let them pile up again
>start getting bogged down and struggling again
>want to turn them off again for a week
So my question is: is it bad to "take breaks" from new cards in core2k? I felt like that week off new cards kind of helped me play catch up on some of the cards I was struggling with.

>> No.18587464

May as well just lower the amount of new cards to 10

>> No.18587471

Did you try asking on /v/?

>> No.18587543

Common advice seems to be that a lower but steady rate is better than on and off. I can't really defend this, but it feels better than breaks do for me. You might also benefit from identifying the words that are giving you the most trouble and giving them extra attention before too many of them build up.

>> No.18587548


You need to adjust your new cards until you find the maximum amount you can handle, but despite some people throwing around set numbers like "10" or "50", nobody here can actually tell you what that amount is for you personally. Too few means holding yourself back and making things take even longer, too many means you'll start getting bogged down with more and more reviews of the same cards which also makes things take even longer.

If you struggle with memorization then you need to find better memorization techniques and more importantly, reinforce what you've learned by reading to the best of your ability. Hopefully you've been keeping up with your grammar studies.

>> No.18587554

What works for me is just taking the time to do some more review when I feel the cards piling up. I will just do a custom study and review the cards I missed in the last 3 or so days. And then later in the day I'll do that again. The extra review helps a lot with new-ish cards for me.

>> No.18587583

I'd like to read a J>J kanji/radical guide or study book.
What do Japan's own internal analogues to KKLC/RTK look like?

>> No.18587608

I played Just Cause 3 in Japanese. It doesn't even need to be a Japanese game.

>> No.18587611

>Just Cause
>not Japanese

>> No.18587654

来月、日本に行きます。日本の女が股を開かせる 文は、なんですか。

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>> No.18587705

Its not

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>> No.18587894
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>book I was planning on reading isn't in the Library anymore
Is it just me or was 蹴りたい背中 removed?

>> No.18587897

Nevermind I found it in the CoR

>> No.18588103

>Talk on the phone with a cute girl for an hour
Despite the time zone difference, HelloTalk is really fun to use

>> No.18588114

It's hidden because you have "Hide non-retail books" checked.

>> No.18588122

Oh shit, you're right. I swear I saw it before with it checked too.

>> No.18588569

What's a good one for a beginner at reading that will make me forget
>tfw no gf
for 10-20 hours?

>> No.18588627

based /int/eenbro

>> No.18588664

I don't know it's my autism or this is some new maymay I don't know about but I'm not from /int/, I hate flag posting this is the only japanese thread I go to.

>> No.18588676

This thread is full of defeatists and fucking brainlets. What else is new.

>> No.18588730

Just read Fate.

>> No.18588810

What do you even talk about? I'm always terrified of making a grave nippon faux pas.

>> No.18589043 [DELETED] 

Hey guys! こんにちはです。

So, I've been learning Japanese (Nihongo) for 3 years now... 1 year self study and 2 years in uni. And i feel like the kanjis are just not sticking with me. What should I try to memorize them for more then a week? I now about 100-120 kanjis already and can read basic material in romanji and a little bit in hiragana.

My current learning method:
>Just go to Japanese websites and write down kanjis i see there.
>Try to guess the reading without looking up... I don't get it correct most of the time :(
>Look up the reading and write it down in romanji, hiragana and katanakana 3-5 times until i remember it.

What can I do to improve my learning? I want to be fluid in Japanese in 5-10 years, is that a reasonable expectation? And is it even possible to read easy mangas by learning yourself (without taking a class)?

Advice would be much appreciated, thanks!


>> No.18589063 [DELETED] 

Please stop posting stupid shit from other places. I don't know if you're looking for people to mock it with you or you're trying to shit up the thread, but whatever reason you're doing it for, it's extremely annoying. I don't mean the "I don't like this" kind of annoying, I mean the "obnoxious little kid who does anything he can think of to get attention from people who aren't part of his life" annoying. It's seriously fucked up.

>> No.18589065

do RTK with koohi

>> No.18589068 [DELETED] 

Repost of https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/49ook7/how_to_get_out_of_beginner_hell_and_become/

>> No.18589079 [DELETED] 

> I mean the "obnoxious little kid who does anything he can think of to get attention from people who aren't part of his life"
Well done! You gave the retard the attention he wanted you dipshit.

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>> No.18589147

>I want to do MORE reps tomorrow

Just do 5 reps and see if you feel like doing more

>> No.18589182 [DELETED] 

The first step on the road of self improvement is observing your problem from a third person perspective.

>> No.18589291

Do them.

Sure, it starts with just not doing it today, but tomorrow you'll have to do double so you put it off again, and again, and again, until you've lost all your progress and decide to just quit.

>> No.18589343
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That's how it always starts.

>> No.18589459

About that usage of な
I (think) I have a feel about why she used it here. It connects the whole 窓の外が夜 to こと right? I would surmise using である instead would have been the same too 窓の外が夜であることにも疑問を抱いていない。And people say な comes from an older copula so it makes sense
But wouldn't の work as well or no?

>> No.18589508

Not that guy, but I thought that's only needed to turn something into a noun clause. But 夜 is already a noun, what gives?

>> No.18589547

Guy who passed the JLPT N1 admits he's shit at Japanese and can't understand anything:


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Let me just add the pic for completion's sake

>> No.18589656

>spend 70 years learning japanese
>all the manga comes out in korean first

>> No.18589692

>You have no clue if any of this shit was even written by natives.

oh look! someone doesn't know what he's talking about. you can tell if it's correct if you read japanese grammar books and use google translate.

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>Is there even ONE person here who has managed to learn Japanese during the 10-something years this threads have been going on?

guess I dont count as ONE

>got into anime (subbed) about seven years ago
>yeah, ohma shoe was my first anime protag
>atleast I get to know Ryo/supercell/egoist, kayanon, sawano hiroyuki, bios and shits, which are great.
>started knowing/writing the kanas three years into anime, didn't go any further
>watch more anime (with subtits)
>got into uni, took Jap. Lang. 101 for EZ scores
>learnt basic kanji parts , piss elementary particles usage, and pronunciation.
>nothing much actually , atleast it got me started on the road
>started tae Kim, did minna no nihongo exercises, also handwriting random paragraphs along the way.
> got over tae Kim in six months, completed all the exercises in the first MnH.
> stopped "studying"
> watch moar anime (with subtit AND SUBSCRIPT
> read matomes, Niko encyclopedia and nipps threads.
>read seiyuu blogs, follow Twitters, download op/ed s
> google "XX 意味", "XX 使い方
>basically seek for explanations of Japanese IN japanese
> used gogen, kotowaza, goo.ne, weblio and sometimes 知恵袋
> decided to go straight for N1 last year
> watch anime
> skim through some "list of N1 vocabs/grammars" compilations, attempted a few N1 trial papers in December.
> took the test
> passed

I don't do all the RTK MEMErise anKID shits, not even once

Of all the way to go, you picked the most soul breaking, futile and redundant one. Ofcourse, I'm not gonna say nobody can be successful by it, you can still reach somewhere , just that it is super retarded and make you hate anime and Japanese in general in the way.

There's no need for mining past very initial phase

All the vocabs and sentence forms will accumulate naturally by seeing them in material of interest, in text and with contexts
Rote memorization is arguably the worst way to obtain vocabulary

Also, you should DEFINITELY do handwriting in learning.
Especially for the frequent "what's this kanji" posters
Handwriting obviously enhances handwritten text recognition.

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I don't understand what is したいた. My first instinct was to read it as たい conjugation but past of that would be したかった. Surely I must be missing something. Help.

Context is simple, he was filming the sex and she found out.

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>> No.18589723

Jlpt n1 isn nowhere near fluent level and it never supposed to be. It's like minimal for your potential employer so you can at least get a gist of what people are trying to make you do.

>> No.18589724

>spents a year and a half ''studying'' japanese through youtube
>even thought he could get fluent by watching youtube videos
>Only started anki 2,5 years later
Stopped listening right there. The guy is retarded.

>> No.18589744

Pretty sure it's a typo for していた.

>> No.18589758

Are you the guy that called me retarded? :)
したいた could be an inflection of したう, with these forms:
Ta-form. It indicates the past tense of the verb.

>> No.18589766



are you the person i responded to?

>> No.18589767

That would be 慕った. You don't conjugate う-verbs like that.

>> No.18589787

Jesus Christ senpai.

I refuse to believe that. Surely I must be missing something.

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Sees this

>> No.18589809
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Do this

>> No.18589810 [DELETED] 


shiteita is the past progressive form of shimasu or suru

shiteita = was doing
shiteiru or shiteimasu= doing
shita = did
shimasu or suru= do

>> No.18589817

it's した板 of course

>> No.18589829

Read it again.
It's not していた or した but したいた.

>> No.18589837

>took 4 years to pass N1
>"guys my way is the best way!"

>> No.18589842

The guy he replied to is still completely wrong.

>> No.18589847

they just quoted jisho without using their brain

>> No.18589855

No, but I am retarded.
This is exactly what happened.

>> No.18589873


you will never learn japanese learning just vocabulary.

it's preferable to learn via sentences than to learn by just learning individual words. learning individual words is important if you're a beginner but you will never progress by just learning individual words or kanji

>Almost no one here thinks sentences are worth your time.

which is probably why no one here has actually learned japanese. if anyone here is a japanese speaker, he's probably a native speaker.

>> No.18589888

Memorizing sentences doesn't do the same things to your mind as reading. After you see the same phrase enough times out of context your brain stops processing it the same way it process things it encounters "in the wild". Vocabulary flashcards at least make entries in your brain for words. Sentence mining doesn't even do that.

>> No.18589901

>That spacing
Opinion discarded.

>> No.18589916
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If you want to understand Japanese just fucking read goddamn

>> No.18589919

I too would like to know more on this.

>> No.18589921

>"my way best way" (X)
>"ankidroning worst way" (O)
Fixed that for your

>> No.18589923


implying you don't learn grammar and vocabulary by more effectively by learning sentences

>> No.18589925

No, you don't. You learn those things by reading.

>> No.18589932


vocabulary more effectively*

>> No.18589935

If you took that hard djt mentality of studying all day and did it with something useful than you will be happier. Don't make my mistakes.

If you want to study Japanese do anki read and listen FOR FUN than go to Japan and apply it in real life. Humans aren't hardwired to learn a language like when it's not necessary.

When that old guy that used to get posted here all the time Steven something the Jew couldn't learn Japanese even though he lived in Japan for like ten years.

Just give up lads

>> No.18589940


implying reading and learning sentences are not the same thing
you learn sentences by reading

>> No.18589943

Kill yourself, namefag.

>> No.18589947

>implying reading and learning sentences are not the same thing
They're not.
>you learn sentences by reading
This conversation is about sentence flash cards. Don't move the goalposts.

>> No.18589952


sentence flash cards require reading japanese sentences

>> No.18589954

Not after you see them enough times.

>> No.18589958

We've been messaging for close to a month know, so we know each other enough to have a lot to talk about I guess
And even then, we know we're both learning so we can overlook a lot of stuff
If I'm ever unsure of something I just tell her and she hits me in the heart with a ”ぜんぜん大丈夫!”
Though I'm sure it depends on the person, and the majority of my HelloTalk partners don't message for this long mostly because I stopped caring to reply oops hehe
But honestly I see a fair amount of people post Moments asking for speaking partners; I'm sure you could just shoot them a message and have a quick phone call
I don't think they'd mind your skill level or any faux pa you'd make

>> No.18589960

I've been studying for almost 4 years.
And have posted here since late 2014

Nobody ever learns Japanese without real life exposure.

>> No.18589966

At that point you would have memorized the sentence such that you would be likely to be able to reproduce it. What's wrong with that? It doesn't negate the fact that you know the words in the sentence.

>> No.18589970

You know how to answer the card based on the sentence, nothing else is guaranteed.

>> No.18589980

>You know how to answer the card based on the kanji, nothing else is guaranteed.

>> No.18589983

Who are you quoting?

>> No.18589986


>> No.18589996

Anki is not reading.

>> No.18590030 [DELETED] 

You are cancer. Kill yourself, redditfag.

>> No.18590036 [DELETED] 

Stop trying to fit in.

>> No.18590040 [DELETED] 

>fitting in phrase
Hello /r/learnjapanese.

>> No.18590042

That sounds pretty nice. Though, I'm not the best conversationalist in the world and through text I'm even worse at keeping an interesting conversation going. I don't mind asking questions and getting to know someone, but I'm terrified of asking something extremely inappropriate even if it's totally cool here in Burgerland.
>the majority of my HelloTalk partners don't message for this long mostly because I stopped caring to reply oops hehe
Same 2bh

>> No.18590045 [DELETED] 

Lurk more.

>> No.18590058 [DELETED] 

Please go back.

>> No.18590062 [DELETED] 

Stop trying to fit in.

>> No.18590070


bitch i watch anime.

>> No.18590075 [DELETED] 


Are you the same guy who shits out these same worthless posts day after day? Surely you have something better to do.

>> No.18590094
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Now, I know this is a complete and total longshot, but this is the old-ass guide image I used to get myself going on Anki years ago. I don't have the deck anymore - and I can't find it uploaded anywhere. Does anyone happen to have it floating around and want to hook me up with an export?

Long story short, I stopped using Anki when I came to Japan, and it was 21 kinds of messed up from my long absence. I lost all the media (ie, sound) and wiped the whole deck in my clumsy repair efforts. I've tried some other decks but they just don't do it for me, man. Now that I've been here a while I want to resume my kanji studying, if only to give me something to do at work when I'm not actually working

>> No.18590102

Yeah coming up with stuff off the top of your head in Japanese is hard
And also this girl's verbal English is almost nonexistent, but I really appreciated the fact that she knew that since it was gonna be 90% Japanese, she can lead the conversation from time to time
I wouldn't worry too much about fucking up though man, people are people despite the cultural differences, and many are quite understanding

>> No.18590184


>> No.18590194

It's the one in the guide.

>> No.18590210

I guess I should have clarified, the link is dead so I can't just pull it out of the guide image. That was obviously the first thing I tried

>> No.18590220

Just tell the truth, you've fallen for this girl

>> No.18590232


>> No.18590264

Do kindle previews often omit the prologue? I just looked at the preview for the first volume of kino no tabi and it's lacking the prologue that the netlify version (which is a retail rip) has.

>> No.18590273

Oh I don't doubt it; we've exchanged 素敵's and always talk about how some day we'll be together to do x,y,z,etc
But I try not to make note of it even to myself given that she's on the other side of the planet

>> No.18590287

>wasting an hour talking to a girl when you could've been doing your reps
you can't learn japanese

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>*blocks your path*

>> No.18590301

Nobody has ever done this. Why should anyone listen to it?

>> No.18590310

>why should someone do something in a slightly different order and slightly different way

don't be so jealous

>> No.18590314

Who are you quoting?

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>> No.18590410


read the OP

>> No.18590413

>but you will never progress by just learning individual words or kanji
Are you an idiot? How can't you get the meaning of a word in a context if you can give it a clear meaning(s) in anki? This is never a case for me but vise versa is the undoubtful truth. At the same time mining sentences provides me with the exact opposite results (almost 100% positive answers on sentence cards but words don't click in a real context)

>> No.18590424

I shyed away from that one, too, because I don't think it's the same deck that I'm after... could be wrong I suppose, and will give it a quick download to find out

I know my precious old deck is currently sitting on my father's laptop in Boston right now, if only I had that with me

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>try playing a Monster Hunter game in Japanese thinking it shouldn't be that bad since even little kids play it
>mfw all these kanji and words I've never seen in my 3 years of studying japanese
It's good to be reminded every once in a while just how little I know.

>> No.18590517

Nobody is going to help the 夜な guy, right?

>> No.18590519

>mine the words
>now you know them
>now you're a nihongo master


>> No.18590524

Nobody ever wants to tell people what they already know.

>> No.18590526


>Are you an idiot? How can't you get the meaning of a word in a context if you can give it a clear meaning(s) in anki?

wtf are you talking about? where did i say that you can't look up the word and you have to get the meaning from the context?
I am talking about learning basic sentences after you know enough vocabulary and grammar to read them.

how is 好きなんだ (as an example of a japanese sentence) hard to figure out? even if the english translation was wrong, i would know it was wrong if i knew enough about japanese grammar. i don't go by the english translation alone because sometimes the english translation is not an exact translation

>> No.18590527

XX? I'm not understanding shit but still playing it, fuck World for essentially ruining any chance of localization.

>> No.18590528

yeah so i'm a total moron

my eternal frustration stemmed from my inability to get the audio working, which led to my whole deck purge in the first place (i assumed it was corrupted since i knew most of it was missing). turns out i had anki all the way off in the volume mixer

thanks anyway as always /djt/

>> No.18590579

What are you listening to while doing your reps?


>> No.18590609


your anki2 folder must have been corrupted. that happened to me once before

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forgot image

>> No.18590619

I've just seen this phrase in a book
>watashi no oniisan wa shinbun wo yomimasu ga, terebi wa mimasen

shouldn't it be "terebi wo mimasen"?
or has terebi became the main topic of the second sentence?

>> No.18590622

I listen to tech talks.

>> No.18590626

Is that from a learning book or from reading material?

>> No.18590634


my brother
read a newspaper
not watch tv

>> No.18590639

learning book. there is no context.

>> No.18590644

Well stop using it. It's teaching you in a way that's very confusing.

To answer your question, yes, テレビ became the topic of the second sentence. The topic particle は is not used for subjects, it's just that sometimes the topic is also the subject, but the topic can be anything, including objects.

>> No.18590648

More accurately you hace no idea and are annoyed about not get fed and easy question you can dish out generic non-advice for and feel better about yourself. Please get a trip already.

>> No.18590651 [DELETED] 


i am guessing it translates as my brother read the newspaper but doesn't watch tv

>> No.18590652

You help me, senpai

>> No.18590656

The content of >>18589459 expresses that they already understand how it's being used.

>> No.18590662

I don't know, I asked because I was interested in knowing the answer as well. But nobody gives a fuck about helping apparently.

If I knew I'd help you.

>> No.18590670


my brother reads the newspaper but doesn't watch tv

>> No.18590677

Yeah but it's nice to have solid rules so I too make use of such usage

>> No.18590678


>> No.18590680

Rules are fake.

>> No.18590690

>But nobody gives a fuck about helping
Or maybe nobody here fully understands and would be able to explain it?
The question seems more like something you would ask if you were a student in a Japanese class or are already have a decent understanding and want to improve your ability to produce. Most of us here, I imagine, don't give a shit about producing and just want to understand. If understanding is all we want, we just accept that it is what it is and we move on. Surely if we continue to consume media we will see this construction again and possibly even see it alternatively written with で or の or whatever. At that point, we would understand that such a construction would also be acceptable. For what purpose would we need to understand that now if we are not producing?

>> No.18590693

The real problem is coming here and actually expecting decency. Most of us are here to shitpost and talk about random shit. You can post your question and hope to get lucky, but don't actually expect people to take it seriously every time.

If you haven't realized the true nature of this place yet you need to get out while there is still time. /djt/ hasn't been the place you want it to be for years now.

>> No.18590698

窓の外が夜 is clearly describing こと but I have no idea why the author used な so I kept my mouth shut 2bh.
One of those things you don't really think about while reading.

>> No.18590712

The challenge I find with Japanese is just how fucking small the font is.

How the fuck am I supposed to read a Kanji like 撮 when it looks like a literal ant scribbled it?

>> No.18590720

You get used to it

>> No.18590721

Stop playing 丙 games with typos in them

>> No.18590727

Make me. The game is fun. How was I supposed to know it would have typos? I thought natives were supposed to be better than that.

>> No.18590738

Requesting that someone respond "it's a typo" to literally every question about "I get what this means, but what is it doing?" that people post here.

>> No.18590753

You are exactly the kind of person that turns this place into shit.

>> No.18590768

fucking lol
king of mount stupid here

>> No.18590778

Yeah it's XX. I can understand most of what the NPCs are saying but I can't read half the materials or monster types or sometimes even monster names if it doesn't use katakana. I can still play it since I've played most other MH games so I know how things work but I didn't think it would have so much kanji that I hadn't seen before.

>> No.18590782

>king of mount stupid here

>> No.18590794

I know that feel
There is also the song おさかなな天国 in which さかな is being followed by な
Fish is obviously a noun and while の would seem the only correct choice, it would without context mean that it's a paradise for fish which is not the case. So the writer decided to use な instead to mean that it's a fish paradise (for us humans)
At least that's how I try to think this over

>> No.18590804

Actually, fuck, forget this reply.
It's おさかな天国 not おさかなな天国 god damn

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When will it "get somewhat sour"? When you add the tritured herbs with the fire on or when you don't? Why didn't the author feel like he should specify more? I feel like I'm missing something that should make it obvious.

>> No.18590959

You're a superhuman, you just don't know it yet.

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>> No.18590993

How ironic .

>> No.18591004


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>> No.18591019
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Shit like this should be illegal.

>> No.18591028

nice umbrella

>> No.18591055

Anyone got this and want to share their experience with it?
I've been thinking of getting it but I can't find it anywhere online. I want to see if it's something that I would like, but 40 shekels is a little too much for a gamble on that, especially considering you sort of need the "passport" book as well.

>> No.18591071

Chinese has better meme characters.

>> No.18591144

Is it realistic to study japanese while also studying for an important test in english? Should I wait until after to start seriously study it?

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>> No.18591172

>using Dragonball Z analogies
fuckin matt

>> No.18591224

How does a lazy NEET learn kanji? Even 15 minutes of Anki make me want to kill myself after a few weeks

>> No.18591229

I'm going to try again..

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>> No.18591232

That's the point. If you kill yourself, there's a chance you will be reborn as a japanese

>> No.18591254

I'm procrastinating learning japanese for 4 years now

>> No.18591271


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>> No.18591301

Want to pick up some listening experience.
Which Japanese TV channel should I watch? There are dozens and I have no idea what kind of channels are there. Don't want to spend an hour watching something until I realize that it only does weather reports 24/7.
What's a TV channel with a good variety of interesting shows? Preferably not anime/drama series.

>> No.18591309

I confess I never ever really bothered to learn either of the kanji in 蜘蛛 because they always kind of come together anyway and they aren't really used for other things aside from scientific terms, so I just learned the general shape of the word and go with that.

>> No.18591367

A few days ago anon posted a two-word jukugo with 虫 on the left side in both kanji just like in 蜘蛛. Pray you never meet that word.

>> No.18591396


>> No.18591449

Nobody knows?

>> No.18591456

Why TV? Just watch anime like any sane person

>> No.18591479

Don't you know 知 or 朱? Just add 虫 to both and you have 蜘蛛

>> No.18591495



>> No.18591496
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>come to this thread to learn for the first time
>someone says NOBODY as learned japanese using this general and it's guides
>other anons say "well I did" and some even post pictures
>everyone shits on them saying their aren't fluent, they scored too low and basically "lol it doesn't count"

I don't know if this is some "hard love" or trolling or both, I just want to learn by myself since Im sure I would embarrass myself in front of the hot japanese lady teacher on my university eventually

>> No.18591502
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Fuck this stupid bitch!

Everyone in this thread can learn Japanese!

>> No.18591504

The guide and its resources are good. Use them. This thread is shit. Don't come here. Basically save the guide link and then never return to the thread ever again.

Heed my advice.

>> No.18591513

Thank you for this especially the bit about mining because in my first hand experience I learn un-mined words that I've simply seen in the wild several times easier than the words I've hit again on a million times in anki. This post makes it all seem possible.

>> No.18591523

just do AJATT

>> No.18591525


>> No.18591544

>someone says NOBODY as learned japanese using this general and it's guides
thats the risk you take in coming to an anonymous board in which learning resources are posted
if you couldn't figure that out on your own, you can't learn japanese anyway

>> No.18591567


Anon, it's an anonymous imageboard accessible freely by all, making it the easiest place on the internet for real life cowards and failures to feel strong and tough by shitting on others. You really should know better than to take them seriously.

>> No.18591579

にのまえ is especially bullshit.
Also there is a fantasy character called 一十一

>> No.18591586

The second sentence is an instruction.

>> No.18591589

>Add some sourness to it.

Doesn't seem like one.

>> No.18591603

Why does hiragana "Se" have to look like katakana "Sa"
I keep mixing them up

>> No.18591608


Add the sourness properly (when it's not burning because it will spill out)

The furry is giving instructions on how to make that food.

>> No.18591610

Doesn't even look that similar, the hiragana one has two bent lines.
I bet you can't even tell apart
シ、ソ from シ and ソ.

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>シ、ソ from シ and ソ.

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>シ、ソ from シ and
>ソ from ソ

>> No.18591626

It's a Chinese proverb.

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>シ、ソ from シ and ソ.

>> No.18591638


Does this help or is a scam and would hurt my learning?
Im like a child when trying to learn something, like a really slow child that needs dolls and voices and bright colors to follow whats happening.
I get lost with the regular youtube tutorials because for some reason is really hard for me to follow a guy talking in the background with a white background and regular black text in the front.
I do admit that Im stupid.

>> No.18591668

It's just slow and inefficient. There's nothing wrong with taking things at your own pace, but if you're going to do that, it'd probably be more fun for you to buckle down on studying hiragana and then play your favorite video game instead of playing this crappy game.

>> No.18591683

You could just get an anki hiragana deck for this desu. Its not really something that needs a taught lesson with someone talking. But if its something that would be the difference between learning it and not learning it, go for it.

>> No.18591697

>Does this help or is a scam
Take a guess, Sherlock. Hint: there's a fuckton of gullible weebs trying to "learn" Japanese.

>> No.18591698

does 'review forgotten cards' study interfere with my regular deck in any way? is it the best way to drill stuff that you have most problem with?

>> No.18591740

Anything that asks for money to teach you hiragana/katakana is a scam, it only takes a couple days to learn them

Just read the guide in the OP

>> No.18591746

I think you're wrong,
what you're saying would be:
The fact that 加わる is in its intransitive form is a big giveaway about this sentence not being an order, at least that's how I'm seeing it.

>> No.18591750

desu going to actual classes is always better. you can complement it by studying alone

>> No.18591755

it's a statement about one of the steps in the process, not an order per se

>> No.18591760

it's not, that class time is unironically better spent consuming Japanese porn

>> No.18591764

he said the teacher is hot, so he can masturbate to her

>> No.18591767


>> No.18591808

let me give you very general advice

you get better at things by doing the thing. a lot of the stuff you read here about japanese reflects exactly how programming education works. school ends up being a lot of superficial work that doesn't translate into actual tangible skills

you wouldn't go to school to learn how to get diamond in league of legends or something. you would just go and play league of legends. this is true for absolutely every topic including shit you wouldn't expect like mathematics. as long as you can get your questions answered somewhere, learning without the restraints of an education system will always be way, way, way faster.

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>> No.18591993

compulsory classes are about avoiding procrastination, not learning faster.

>> No.18592027

this desu
i probably would've never started if i didn't take classes
but now i can flirt with irl christmas cakes and that shit counted for my diploma so i don't give a fuck

also remember that you need 4 years of uni to get a work visa in a different country (or a good job in the americunt), so you might as well pick up a language while you're there.

>> No.18592060

I'm reading 時をかける少女 right now, does anyone know how 福島先生's name is read? I have a feeling it's not ふくしま, is it くらりせ?That's tangorin's first suggestion.

>> No.18592085

You grow a pair and start takign control of your life.

You'll always be a failure if you think of yourself as a failure.

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Fuck Matt, he's so toxic and superior to me

>> No.18592115

I've always wondered, do even native Japanese struggle with reading Japanese?

It's simply that there's a lot of kanji, and while most kanji I've learned so far have a somewhat logical, if primitive, meaning, I've seen a few others that make absolutely no sense considering the meaning of the radicals/kanji involved.

I just wonder if even regular japanese people get confused.

>> No.18592121

The unfortunate reality is that the higher average IQ of the Japanese race means that they can retain and use a much larger pool of kanji than we can, hence it is so difficult for us to learn their language.

>> No.18592123

/djt/ average IQ is 70

>> No.18592192

its ふくしま on the jap wiki

>> No.18592221

How odd, some of the names are missing from the original book, but I'm glad my first thought was right.

>> No.18592277


It is probably a lot easier to learn kanji when you already know Japanese. You gotta remember that native speakers already know the language before they know how to read. Even a six year old has a receptive vocabulary of 20,000 words. By the time they are twelve it is upwards of 50,000.

>> No.18592301

vocab doesn't make it easier when there are 200 kanji for しょう.

>> No.18592332

They don't struggle reading normal text. They do make mistakes occasionally and encounter kanji they can't read.

Coincidentally I just came across this review from a woman complaining about the kanji and vocab in a pretty simple novel:

If you read lots of literary fiction, after a few years you'll be better at reading Japanese than natives on the lower end of the bell curve.

>> No.18592356


I'm sorry, I wasn't aware I was talking with a moron.

>> No.18592359

what is n+1

what is this secret terminology that autists refer to

>> No.18592378

you mean i+1? it means learning things that are comprehensible except for one new piece of information. so like a sentence that has one word you don't know in it.

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>> No.18592390


n = everything you understand. 1 = one thing you don't understand. n+1 = something where you only don't understand one thing.

n+1 is good because you can understand whatever you are reading/watching/listening while gaining new information.

>> No.18592395

>except for one new piece of information. so like a sentence that has one word you don't know in it.
I've said the same thing and got called out on it before ;_;

>> No.18592409

krashen this plane...WITH NO SURVIVORS

>> No.18592515


>> No.18592612
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How can I get my meaning field to be centered?

The rest of the fields center fine, I have no idea what's going on here. These are for the mined words coming in through yomichan.

>> No.18592680

What happens if you get rid of "text-align: center;" below ".meaning {"? It looks like ".reading {" is working fine without it...

>> No.18592716

>tfw could only read for about 30 minutes today
im not going to become a retard because of this am i

>> No.18592723

Are you using one of those addons that automatically throws cards into anki? Because those often add a bunch of really shitty formatting for some reason.

You can try using 'text-align:center !important;', but likely you'll have to inspect what kind of weird formatting the importer you're using is adding, or find a way of editing its formatting.

>> No.18592736

You'll be okay. I never read unless you count example sentences in Anki.

>> No.18592740

Looks like the Yomichan default template chucks a
style="text-align: left;"
in there. Just delete that.

>> No.18592747

show us the note, it may have html embedded in the field.

also remove the <br> and the "text-align" under ".meaning"

>> No.18592835

I was told to come here for everything japanese.
I should just say right now that I've not been at it for more than like a month. In perspective, I'm sure you can tell I don't know shit.
Started off by making my own handwritten chart of kana, then used an app for reading japanese news that has vocabulary help, and another for very basic grammar and vocabulary learning.
Figured that with enough repetition I'd memorize kana, but I just lose motivation when I get stuck trying to read something simple and I can't remember a character. It's even worse when there's kanji and I have no fuckin clue what it means or how I'll ever be able to memorize it.
How do you do it? Do you just bruteforce it? I don't even watch anime, I mostly wanted to read it at least, but it's so much to take in that it's easily overwhelming.

>> No.18592861

First watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikm_gL7-mZs

Then watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9PdPOxiWWuU

Then never come back here

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>> No.18592866

Woulda been easier to just tell him to give up on japanese

>> No.18592870

Read the guide in the OP before asking questions.

>> No.18592918


Thank you guys,
It was this: >>18592740 but now that I've done it on a few cards I realized it was a stupid idea and changed it back as many of the more ambiguous words with a lot of dictionary text don't look good formatted like that.

>> No.18592924

What you actually want is

.meaning {
display: inline-block;
margin: 0 auto;

>> No.18592928

I feel like doing rosetta stone again. I was blazing through it when I tried to teach myself Japanese when I was younger before I knew about anki and VN text hooker and got serious. Why does no one talk about it? At least it forces you to get some speech practice which I feel like I'm lacking despite knowing most of the jyuuyou kanji and a small vocab base (like 4k).

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holy shit this guy right here
TY anon

>> No.18592937

Watch more anime

>> No.18592948

>Why does no one talk about it? At least it forces you to get some speech practice
That seems like why

>> No.18592958

Without feedback, speech practice means learning how to speak awfully and ingraining it in your memory.

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a disposable mopでつうじますか

>> No.18592961

what the fuck is with the sudden influx of retards? who's telling people to come here? did we get linked on reddit or something?

>> No.18592977

The /int/ thread is dying and a few people are mad. They want this thread to die as well.

>> No.18592980

It honestly has been much, much worse
Be thankful that it's eurohours right now and there's a lot less retards

>> No.18592981

Any podcasts that you'd recommend for learning/listening skills?

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>> No.18592991

if you stay here more than month after picking up japanese you are retarded

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>> No.18593006

disposable mopで通じますけど所によってはSwifferと呼ぶ人もいます

>> No.18593008

we were linked in a /v/ shitposting thread a few hours ago

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>> No.18593018

> first try N1
>"scored too low"

Idc whether that anon has achieved the "native fluency" or not
That score is more than enough for watching anime
And to achieved that all by mostly anime watching, really showed how pathetic are the ankidrones

>> No.18593023

確かに「 disposable mop」は日本語で家内と言っます。

>> No.18593030


>> No.18593038

let me guess your personal definition of ankidrone is 'someone that does anki'

>> No.18593045

I passed 漢字検定 1級 by watching subbed anime for two weeks.

>> No.18593054

I accidentally watched an anime trailer once and now im fluent

>> No.18593058

>someone who can't even speak english correctly wants to lecture us about language learning
really makes you think

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>> No.18593165


>> No.18593205

I don't understand

content://media/external/file/7042 anyone know what this says

>> No.18593270


>> No.18593275

big if true

>> No.18593375

The /int/ djt thread had a meltdown. This thread looks to be soon receiving more /int/ refugees.

>> No.18593418

i looked over and seems like it was just one autist being an autist and then the thread went back to normal

>> No.18593440

is it even possible for this thread to get more autistic

>> No.18593490

The amount of people propaganding RTK and AJATT last weeks really makes it clear that most of the people aren't even learning the language and just spew the shit around, thinking they are right.

>> No.18593502

tell us about your japanese ability, anon

>> No.18593507


>> No.18593532

Reading most of VNs without a dictionary

>> No.18593536

wow, look at you go
and how's your listening ability? speak to anyone lately?

>> No.18593543

There is no point discussing it because it has nothing to do with ajatt or rtk or the way I study.

>> No.18593557

that's what i thought

>> No.18593599

nobody here gives a fuck about production

>> No.18593629

yeah i can tell

>> No.18593764

Rosetta Stone covers virtually nothing.

>> No.18593794
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Reposting from the other thread.

Here is a near-full site rip of Bandai Channel that I am now releasing. Download it at either of these links:

Full catalog of subs included in the pack included here: http://www.b-ch.com/ttl/caption_list.php

Just a few are:

- Cowboy Bebop
- s.CRY.ed
- Uchuu no Stellvia
- Gundam (various)
- Macross (various)
- Inuyasha
- Gintama
- The Big O
- To LOVE-Ru (original)
- The [email protected] Cinderella Girls (both seasons)
- Utawarerumono (and Itsuwari no Kamen)

etc. There are over 200 titles included here, many of which have never had subs publicly available on kitsunekko. Please feel free to upload subs from here to kitsunekko to improve availability. And if you want to retime any of them, use kaegi's "aligner" available here: https://forum.koohii.com/thread-14388.html

It's a shame that only about 6% of Bandai Channel's really huge catalog has subtitles available or this would be a massive release instead of just a large one. Still though, I'm very happy with this. Enjoy.

>> No.18593839

Thanks, I'm guessing however there is no way to actually grab the corresponding video files right? It's a bit of a pain in the ass to retime things in my experience.

>> No.18593882

Fucking neat. Worth adding to the CoR.
What does that mean?

>> No.18593894

subtitle edit + ctrl shift A exists

>> No.18593911

Yea maybe but shifting it in the video player often doesn't yield acceptable results and using subtitle editor is a pain in the ass. I don't like grabbing subs from Kitsunekko because most of the Chinese torrents they are taken from are either lost in the abyss or there is no indication of video file at all and they just don't seem to align well.

Is there an usage guide for this align tool at least? I can't quite figure out how to use it.

>> No.18593928

anyone this?

>> No.18593935

It doesn't if you finish it.

>> No.18593936

>and using subtitle editor is a pain in the ass.
lol what, its the easiest thing in the world
did you even try it? i seriously doubt it

>> No.18593939

It will show in your stats pages, but it wont affect scheduling (at least not by default, I think there's an option you can toggle somewhere). You need to actually go through every card (or empty the custom study deck some other way) though, or else the cards in it wont show up for review in your regular deck. You can try it out if you want, if it works for you then it works for you, if not then it doesn't.

>> No.18593976

how do I even start on improving listening when nothing counts as input

>> No.18593993

Watch anime

>> No.18594048

because it doesn't mean that. use primary sources.

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Five months in and I'm starting to burn out. Why am I doing this to myself anyway? Just to read the occasional untranslated manga?

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>> No.18594097

If you don't have the passion to learn japanese it's better to just give up
In order to acquire a language you need to not just have a fixed goal in mind, you have to also enjoy the learning process

>> No.18594107

I don't get this sentence. Is the person saying this say that the school is wrong for wanting too much applicants? Pretty sure I'm way off.

>> No.18594134


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>> No.18594192

School wants more people taking the exams

This one needs context

>> No.18594200

I see, I think I get it now. Thanks for the help.

>> No.18594225

>Why am I doing this to myself anyway
Why are you asking us

>> No.18594277

Not to beat you down, but if you don't have motivation now it's likely going to get worse until you quit, meaning you're just wasting more time. You should probably take some time to think about what you're doing and seriously consider how much desire you really have to learn the language.
I can sympathize a bit, I'm a few months in as well and anki is burning me out, but I love reading with my shitty ability and I very much still desire to learn the language, so I'm trying different shit with anki and I'm going to put more of my time into reading. If reading isn't fun either, you need to reevaluate.

>> No.18594293

What mincho font do you use at low resolutions? I've been using mora gothic fonts forever but when I tried switching to IPA Mincho it rendered with missing strokes and lines in a lot of kanji because of bad hinting.

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whatever your computer is doing to kanji should be illegal

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is 2k really the dropoff for useful words?
i tried scrolling through the deck and there didn't seem to be any more words i'd consider useless than the ones I've suspended in 2k so far (and a lot of those are just redundancies too)

i'm already reading + mining but figured i'd at least get through the 2k like i planned to originally. is it worth going further at all?

>> No.18594544

so...literally do AJATT, then?

>> No.18594601

Oh, my child, if you think there are useless words in core2k you're in for a surprise when you start reading.

>> No.18594606

they didn't say that

>> No.18594619

No, don't do AJATT.
Consume Japanese media.

>> No.18594634

"literally do AJATT" means doing RTK and fucking around with mining in a way that doesn't accomplish anything, aka literally useless methodological cocksucking.

>> No.18594650

is it really that bad, jesus

>> No.18594654


>> No.18594670

"useless" is the wrong word, but like I really don't need some of the really niche words when i'm just starting

>> No.18594699

You have no idea what you need when you are starting.
It doesn't even matter what you do because at this point you will need everything beginner material exposes you to and you won't understand anything no matter what you do. In the long run sentence cards ala AJATT accomplish nothing except waste your time. Matt admitted to doing flashcards for hours every day and his perception of word cards is that they actually take longer. He uploaded a video with some textbook retard doing word cards for 3 hours a day and said that's just those inefficient cards. AJATT is a fucking scheme that is played up for the sole reason of pocketing these retards Patreon money for their blogposting. Not to mention that Matt never actually followed his own approach or knows anything about any other approach. Stop listening to these people.

>> No.18594706

wrong conversation

>> No.18594712

Oh yeah sorry. I thought you were quoting the other guy saying useless.

>> No.18594715

not me just pointing out that the streams crossed

>> No.18594726

>the streams crossed

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>Northeast got assfucked by old man winter
>power was out for a couple days
>phone died on day 1
>missed 4 days of anki
>JCPL finally turns my fucking lights back on
>charge phone
>over 500 reviews due

>> No.18594794

Stop posting this over and over again already. It's not even funny anymore.

>> No.18594806

They literally just turned my power back on 5 hours ago, this is the first time I've posted in the DJT for 5 days.

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why do I get more reviews if I fail these? i.e. if I chose 'again' I get more and more reviews
it's spooky

>> No.18594843

>be me
>forgot doing Anki for a week
>literally over 200 reviews due
So this is how I stop studying Japanese huh. It was fun while it lasted.

>> No.18594845

>>forgot doing Anki for a week
>>literally over 200 reviews due
Dang dude, you got far huh?

>> No.18594848

i get 200 reviews every day you fucking normie

>> No.18594860

>complaining about doing reviews like it's something that takes a lot of effort

you can do them literally at any point you have a few free minutes, yet you chose to shitpost on 4chan instead

>> No.18594886

You are supposed to carry the joke on and not get on your high chair and pretend you are better than a blatantly obvious ironic poster.

>> No.18594890

I'm doing standard vocab cards, but it seems to me that short sentences could be faster than vocab because of context making the card easier, and maybe the fact it's easier wont really matter in the long run.
I agree with the rest. He's extremely biased towards the only method he's used, and that same idiot also did not read anything but textbook sentences for years. Just open to the possibility that sentences could be faster or at least be retained better and more quickly.

>> No.18594921

No, you should be ignoring the faggot posting stupid shit and possibly even report for low quality posting

>> No.18594925

>possibly even report for low quality posting

literally the whole thread tbqh

>> No.18594926

Sentence cards are a waste of time if you are trying to learn vocabulary

>> No.18594951

>Sentence cards are a waste of time if you are trying to learn vocabulary.

/djt/ 2018
let me tell you, I learnt thousands of single words in German and I couldn't speak German in real life for shit because I couldn't put them all together
sentece gives you context + word
mere word (for conversational purposes) can be as good as not known if you can't use it properly

>> No.18594955

sentences give you a single example, they don't actually teach you how the words are used.

>> No.18594958

Memorization is not reading or listening.

You can only learn how the language is actually used by reading and listening.

>> No.18594961

they teach you how the word is used in one context - that's more than a mere word will teach you

>> No.18594967

actually most vocabulary flashcards have multiple senses on them, huh, would you look at that

>> No.18594969

Vocabulary cards don't teach you Japanese, I'm sure you can agree. Is using Anki to be a human dictionary the optimal method of getting vocabulary down? I'm open to the idea that it's not, even if I'm not willing to switch from vocab cards.

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Let me fucking tell you something. You are not supposed to learn the language from flashcards. It's merely to nest the word into your brain so you can recognize it when you see it. It works much better for Japanese as well because Kanji provide meaning. Put an example sentence on the back (preferably where you got it from) and the problem stemming from lack of context is fixed.

Außerdem bin ich überzeugt davon, dass du nicht in der Lage bist auch nur einen vernünftigen deutschen Satz zu schreiben.

>> No.18594973

that doesn't have anything to do with sentence cards

>> No.18594978

you what?

The fact is I need only one sentence where some constructions are used to be able to use it everywhere else.

>> No.18594979

Do you think that reciting three senses every time you see a word is embedding those uses in your mind, or simply training you to recite three senses every time you see the word?

>> No.18594982

Japanese sentence structure is literally, just throw everything before the verb randomly.

>> No.18594983

Do you not know what a "sense" is?

>> No.18594988

Stay on topic.

>> No.18594989

I wouldn't be asking if I knew

>> No.18594990

itt: people from matt's discord raiding the thread because one of them keeps losing arguments

you can't even learn english

>> No.18594994

I think he's a Genki-tier retard who spouts what he was told without assessing his methods in any significant way. He's the kind of person who learns each reading associated with the new kanji they've learnt.

>> No.18594997

No, it doesn't, it has to do with vocabulary cards. Thus there is a difference that may or may not be good.

>> No.18594998

>I couldn't speak German in real life for shit because I couldn't put them all together
good thing nobody here gives a fuck about production then

>> No.18594999

This isn't about vocabulary cards, this is about sentence cards.

>> No.18595003

You use vocab decks to learn words that you then solidify by reading or listening Japanese

>> No.18595004

I can't speak English, you are right. But would you mind explaining what a sense is in context of langagues, because I really don't know what you meant by that?

>> No.18595009

Are you daft? I'm comparing vocabulary cards to sentence cards, because vocabulary cards are assumed to be what you're using if you're not using sentence cards.

>> No.18595010

A "sense" of a word is a way that it's used. This is one of the many senses of the word "sense".

>> No.18595014

How are sentence cards not soldifying your reading of Japanese?

>> No.18595015

No, you're trying to force vocabulary cards into a conversation about sentence cards because you think you can make sentence cards look good in comparison. Stay on topic.

>> No.18595019

You could have just said yes.

>> No.18595020

>because vocabulary cards are assumed to be what you're using if you're not using sentence cards.
This might surprise you, but:

>> No.18595021

What word do the Japanese use for tricks in video games? I was talking to a Jap and asked him

*game name*わひみつのおおぎありますか?

and he seems to have understood what I meant. I don't even know if I formed that correctly, but I was just asking if he had a secret technique in a certain obscure game that I want to learn to beat faster.

>> No.18595025

vocab and sentence cards are both good, how about that?

if its a noun a picture works just fine as well. and the core 6k/10k has example sentences for every single card.

>> No.18595026

So you use sentence decks for reading practice? Maybe you should just pick up a random manga instead

>> No.18595027

Stay on topic.

>> No.18595029

I use sentence cards to learn new vocab.

>> No.18595030

I think you're in the wrong thread to argue that viewpoint.

>> No.18595032

No, they're both bad.
This, Anki is not reading.

>> No.18595036

You're not learning new vocab, you're playing a game.

>> No.18595037

wtf i hate anki now
i want to be a normalfag just like you and all the other e-celeb dick sucking faggots

>> No.18595038

You are probably looking for 裏技

>> No.18595039

Oh, a meaning. So you really think you know how to use a word because you know all of its senses?

>> No.18595041

I'm arguing against the e-celeb dick sucking faggots, dude.

>> No.18595046

No. Don't put words in my mouth, you piece of shit.

>> No.18595049

you're a beginner, please stop misleading people/trolling.

>> No.18595051

>AJATT is a fucking scheme that is played up for the sole reason of pocketing these retards Patreon money for their blogposting.

Reading and listening to Japanese all the time is BAD guys.
/djt/ 2018

>> No.18595059

Then you would be better off doing vocab cards because sentence cards make you remember the word from the sentence itself instead of the kanji of the word. This means you won't recognize that word when you read something because it won't be the same sentence your sentence deck had

>> No.18595060

Nobody said that Matt. Fuck off.

>> No.18595062

What was the point of you mentioning all the senses then?

>> No.18595063


>> No.18595066

this guy >>18594699 literally said
>AJATT is a fucking scheme that is played up for the sole reason of pocketing these retards Patreon money for their blogposting.

so how come you said nobody said that?

>> No.18595067

A sentence only contains one sense of a given word. Repeatedly memorizing that particular sentence isn't teaching you anything else about the word. It stops being useful after you see it like three times, and you never see any other contexts in which that sense of the word is brought up. Sentence cards are a meme. Fuck off and stop pretending to be sincere.

>> No.18595070


thanks! I'll use this from now on.

>> No.18595071

> sentence cards make you remember the word from the sentence itself instead of the kanji of the word.
Presumably not with thousands of sentences.

>> No.18595075

Go away.

>Reading and listening to Japanese all the time is BAD guys.
This is not what "AJATT" maens.

>> No.18595079

Thousands of sentences per word perhaps, but AJATT propogates the "10,000 sentences" idea, which basically equates to less than a sentence per word.

>> No.18595080

I will remember its kanji because it's different than everything in the sentence that I'm familiar with. Plus I went through RTK 1+3 so I have relatively no problem with identifying kanji.

>> No.18595081

Are you actually retarded man?

>> No.18595083

In spite of what the acronym is, AJATT is not a synonym for "reading and listening to Japanese all the time", and it implies a bunch of other shit.

>> No.18595086

When people say "AJATT" is bad, they do not mean "reading and listening all the time" is bad, they mean "the AJATT website, instructions, advice, and cult" are bad.

>> No.18595089

So you are going to be doing 1000 reps a day just to learn 10 new words then?

>> No.18595091

>these retards think I learn actual sentences
are you kidding me? I'm learning the mere word which is placed in a certain context that I need to understand, but that doesn't mean I have to take that whole baggage with me - I only want to learn the word, and learning it by reading the sentence and understanding it merely helps me learn the word.

>> No.18595093 [DELETED] 

Off topic.

>> No.18595096

You have to already identify the word to associate it with one sentence. If you have thousands of sentences, you presumably wont be so familiar with all of the sentences that you see the first word of the sentence and you immediately remember the word that the sentence is for without looking at the kanji. I think that a large selection of sentences per word would be ideal, but I don't think that one sentence per word invalidates that claim.

>> No.18595102

each sentence card is one (at least) new word, ergo he'd learn/review 1000 words just like with vocab deck

>> No.18595111

manga text is too small

>> No.18595116

How does he get thousands of sentences per word if he has to also somehow fit thousands of words into them?

>> No.18595119

you need glasses

>> No.18595124


i have them and got my prescription checked not long ago

it is still small, or atleast for ichigo marshmallow

>> No.18595133

Post a screenshot man.

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>> No.18595149

>the "10,000 sentences" idea, which basically equates to less than a sentence per word.
Let's assume you need to learn 50,000 words to be as functional as a Japanese school student, including whatever grammatical, contextual, and idiomatic connections those words have. This 50,000 words measure represents everything a school student could know with these 50,000 words, not just particular definitions.


Take a random visual novel and look at the "chars per sentence" and "characters" stats. The page says they're not derived the same way (I wouldn't know), but they should be close enough.

>aete mushisuru
>543761 characters
>10.23 chars per sentence

That also works out to around 50k sentences, and 5 words per sentence. Most of which are going to be absurdly common by the 80-20 rule, so in reality you're only seeing maybe one useful new word per sentence. If you make a frequency list of a single script, it shows that past around the 1500 top frequency mark, most words show up 10 times or less throughout the entire script. Absolutely pathetic.

Also, a single story is unlikely to contain more than ten or twenty thousand unique words.

You need far more than "10,000 sentences" to learn Japanese.

>You have to already identify the word to associate it with one sentence.
News flash: this happens to almost everyone that does sentence mining because they introduce new sentence cards at such a slow pace, less than 50 per day. Don't get me wrong, if you're going to make sentence cards you should streamline it as much as possible so it doesn't waste your time, but you're really overselling things here.

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>> No.18595159

It's almost like they don't think through how their arguments fit together because they're struggling to make even a single point

>> No.18595164
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Does learning Japanese really drain you guys as well?
Basically I have to masturbate and ejaculate to every h-scene (because I feel not doing so would be disrespectful) which really wasn't a problem when I started but now I get several scenes every day and it's hard ejaculating upwards of 4 to 5 times in one sitting. I mean I can get it up again but it just feels uncomfortable at this point, so I'm wondering what I can do to increase my durability. This is really putting a limit on the rate with which I can learn Japanese so this is important.

>> No.18595170

idk i'm not a pathetic weeb
I follow idols

>> No.18595194

trying too hard

>> No.18595197

It seems to me that it would happen heavily in short-term, but when the sentence comes up in 2+ months and you've reviewed thousands of other sentences in the mean time it will be less of an issue. I also imagine that a lot of your sentences are going to have similar structure by the time you're in the thousands.
I don't intend to be selling anything, I do vocab cards, I'm open to the idea is all.

>> No.18595235

I did not say thousands of sentences per word, I said thousands of sentences. Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "remember the word from the sentence", if for example you think that the existence of context is a problem, rather than the common argument that you will see three kana of the sentence and know the card back before you read the word, which is what I intended to argue against.

>> No.18595270

You are not going to learn anything more about a word from a particular example of a sentence using it than you would learn from a normal vocab flashcards with a sentence on the back instead of the front. In fact, the sentence is just going to make it easier to recognize the card, before you even reach the word.

>> No.18595271

I meant if you are learning the word 死体 and you have a sentence for it as 私の冷蔵庫には死体が入っています you would end up remembering the word from just reading 私の冷蔵庫 instead of 死体

Sure if you have thousands of sentences this won't happen for all of them but it will still happen and the context of a sentence still makes it a lot easier to remember a word than just the kanji

>> No.18595283

If you use spelling-prompt flashcards, and get good at them for a word like 雑掌, you can, in theory, block out everything and just look at the word on a blank background to remember the word. You can recreate the isolated environment in which you memorized the word, even if you can't recognize it in context. With sentences, you are tying That Particular Sentence to the card. You might not need the whole sentence to recognize it, but the more stuff you put on the fronts of cards, the less likely it is for your Anki ability on that word to generalize to arbitrary use in the wild.

>> No.18595305

not if your goal is to be able to write the kanji by hand and know its reading

>> No.18595308

That doesn't have anything to do with sentence cards.

>> No.18595353

because you said so? for me proper review of a sentence card is being able to read it all, understand and being able to write by hand everything that it contains

>> No.18595366

No, that's some weird fucked up cult ritual.

>> No.18595377

Since when are ability to read, comprehension and writing some kind of fucked up ritual? Are you actually trying to learn the language?

>> No.18595381

Nobody said that.

>> No.18595383

Flashcards aren't reading. Remembering translations is not comprehension. Drawing kanji is not writing.

>> No.18595392

look here >>18595366

Nobody talked about remembering but about understanding.

>> No.18595396

If it's a flashcard, it's remembering, not understanding.

They responded to you. They didn't say what you said they said. You didn't say what you said they said is a ritual. "proper review of a sentence card is being able to read it all, understand and being able to write by hand everything that it contains" does not translate to "ability to read, comprehension and writing".

>> No.18595398

Go back to your discord or whatever AJATT circlejerk you crawled out of.

>> No.18595418

Remember how massive-context cloze deletion ended up bullshit? Yeah. If flashcards were reading, AJATT wouldn't care about anything but flashcards.

>> No.18595433

>they i.e. me

Flashscard is remembering and understanding when you use sentence cards. It's mere remembering when you use word cards, yes.

>> No.18595438

>>they i.e. me
Stopped reading there.

>> No.18595445

>Flashscard is remembering and understanding when you use sentence cards
citation needed

>> No.18595446
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What the hell. I took a break from a VN I had a bit of trouble with a month or two ago and started reading something even harder that wasn't voiced because I was interested in it and had more fun with it. Now I'm back to the old VN and I am reading faster than the lines are being spoken and I understand virtually everything with just a bit of looking up the occasional rare word. So this is how it feels like to learn Japanese. I am overflowing with euphoria right now, feels good that I can only advance from here.

>> No.18595453

give me receipe for success
did you do core deck? if so then how far in did you start reading

>> No.18595463

Well I'm hardly there yet. Still have a lot to go.
I've been lazy for the longest time so I really only started reading after finishing Core6k and having mined about a thousand words from various places. I guess all those words are just clicking into place as I read and improve my grammar but it does feel great.

>> No.18595477

I remember feeling the same after I read Saya no Uta and then went back to normal stuff. Nothing will improve you faster than reading (compelling) content that's way too hard for you.

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>> No.18595530

あ ー の ー ん ー

>> No.18595572

What would be the name of this magical VN?

>> No.18595757

>Thanks, I'm guessing however there is no way to actually grab the corresponding video files right?

Probably not, but you wouldn't want to anyway as you'd need to use a Japanese VPN and they'd be in crappy quality. Since these subs come from an adless stream, they should be very easy to retime, even moreso with aligner. You can do a whole series in about a minute if you get a workflow going and the files "play nice".

>Is there an usage guide for this align tool at least?

No. I'll make a quick one right now.

0.1. Download and install MKVToolnix. This toolset is an absolute necessity for anyone who does work with sub files. (https://mkvtoolnix.download/downloads.html#windows)

0.2. Download gMKVExtractGUI (https://sourceforge.net/projects/gmkvextractgui/) and for simplicity's sake put it in the same directory as your MKVToolnix install. Wherever works though.

0.3. Use gMKVExtractGUI to extract all of your reference English subtitles from their fansub releases into a given directory.

0.4. Rename them all using Bulk Rename Utility (http://www.bulkrenameutility.co.uk/Download.php) or a similar utility to a consistent naming scheme. (I use ref00x.ass/.srt/.whatever. For example, ref001.ass, ref002.ass, etc.)

0.5 Download the Japanese subs you want and rename them to a consistent naming scheme. Mine in the pack are all already called sub001.srt, sub002.srt, etc.

0.6. Put all the subs, reference and to-align, in one directory.

1. Assuming you're on Windows, download the .exe file in the forum post on Koohii.

2. Add it to your PATH (see https://www.howtogeek.com/118594/how-to-edit-your-system-path-for-easy-command-line-access/)

3. Read over the github page (https://github.com/kaegi/aligner) for basic usage info.

4. Go into the folder where your subs are and type "cmd" into the top bar to open a command window in that directory.

5. Type, sans quotes, "aligner reference_subtitle.ssa incorrect_subtitle.srt output.srt --split-penalty 2.6" where the subtitle names are all what they actually are respectively and where the parameter "--split-penalty x.x" basically just lets you tweak stuff if it doesn't work. Play around with various values, I have found values of 1.0-3.0 work best but your mileage may vary.

6. You have aligned one sub! To automate them, just copy several lines of instruction code for aligner. For example:

>aligner ref001.ass sub001.srt new001.srt --split-penalty 1.0
>aligner ref002.ass sub002.srt new002.srt --split-penalty 1.0
>aligner ref003.ass sub003.srt new003.srt --split-penalty 1.0

Etc. For as many subs as you have. Find some way to generate these lines automatically as I have, typing them all out would be tedious.

7. Then, paste all of these lines into cmd. Aligner should run automatically.

8. Copy all of your .mkv files' filenames to the clipboard with Bulk Rename Utility.

9. Use TextMechanic to create a bulk rename command for cmd (http://textmechanic.com/text-tools/basic-text-tools/merge-text-line-line/).

10. Paste your subs into the video file directory and you're done, your player should load the subs automatically.

I would make a demo video but I have other stuff to do. Maybe another time. I believe you can figure it out though.

A bit of vanity as a reward on my work ripping all of these.

>> No.18595780

Thanks for your work man. I'll definitely give it a try later.

>> No.18595825

Okay, well, this thread looks like it's still kicking, so...

What do the Japanese people mean when they post ( at the end of their tweets/phrases? I thought it's a sad smile, but the context only fits about half of the time.

>> No.18595829

Post an example.

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>> No.18595880

I always read 身体 as しんたい but whenever it's voiced or I read something with furigana it's からだ which is ticking me off and leaving me unsure of how to read it. Which should it be now?

>> No.18595921

My experience in learning words via sentence flash cards is similar to an experience when you read a book and only vaguely remember episodes thereafter but when you look for citations or criticism something clicks in your mind and you can suddenly remember the episode fully so you remember it only in a certain context. The same way I start reading a sentence card and I already know what's this card about and my brain isn't trying to decipher it.

>> No.18595925

Most of the time you should read it as からだ.

>> No.18595937

I always read it is からだ and しんたい when there are more kanjis in a word.

>> No.18595950

This guy and his followers use it constantly when chatting with each other.

Thought so too, but I wasn't sure, and triple ( at the link made me doubt it even more.

>> No.18595966

reminds me of how russians use ) as a kind of laugh

>> No.18596043

There are a bunch of questions about it on 知恵袋

>> No.18596546

I keep seeing 淹れたて around for brewing coffee/making tea but I don't quite get what's the て doing or where does it come from. I'm assuming it's 淹れる in past form + some て that is there for reasons I can't see.

>> No.18596606

I decided to track my progress a few months ago. I decided to look at the data now and it's actually pathetic. I averaged 1h40m a day over the course of the last 18 weeks. Yikers! Time to kill myself.

>> No.18596619

stem+たて means freshly ~

淹れたて = freshly brewed

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>> No.18596631

That depends on the original verb.

>> No.18596634

I see. I was tunnel visioning hard on that 淹れた+て because I didn't know better and then didn't consider the possibility of stem + たて.

Appreciate it.

>> No.18596651

Only if you're pedantic. Freshly is a pretty general purpose word, it's not only used with cooking etc. In that case it fits the definition of たて almost perfectly. Examples: Freshly graduated, fresh out of flour, etc.

>> No.18596675

you have to hit good on a new card twice in a row for it to leave the stack

the number will go up if you previously hit good and you hit again at a later time

>> No.18596689

Ooh, thanks. So it's like what we use here, but the reverse.

>> No.18596704

There's also 取り立て which comes up pretty often. If you do anki, put those two into your deck and you should recognize similar constructs easily.

>> No.18596749

Isn't it fun when you hear a word and just instantly understand it, even though it's a pretty rare word and you have no idea where or when you ever heard it before?

>> No.18596751

Is this 送っていってやろうか?
The guy speaks in 関西弁.

>> No.18596814

I think it's いただろうか and it doesn't really seem dialectical.

>> No.18596931

Is there a Japanese equivalent of something like goodreads ?

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アリ? What does this have to do with ants?

>> No.18597072

Does not goodreads list Japanese books?

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I think the guy is offering to give them a ride in his van. He even says one of their friends has a wound on his feet as a reason for it(which he has).

>> No.18597204

Does anyone have a recommendation for manga with magic and furigana?

>> No.18597215

Flying Witch.

>> No.18597348

Where can I pirate LNs from

>> No.18597362

amazon.co.jp with money

>> No.18597378

Seeing 話しない in context for the first time fucked me up for a few seconds

>> No.18597423

I'm a complete shitter and I don't know Japanese so nothing I say has any weight, but don't you think たろか is a contraction for てやろうか? So 送っていてやろうか? He is offering.

>> No.18597431

Sorry I missed the second っ. I meant 送っていってやろうか.

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>> No.18597750

>Using Flashcards Is Not Normal
It kind of blows my mind that someone could be this out of touch with reality to not be aware that people generally associate flashcards with foreign language vocabulary drilling before anything else.

>> No.18597763

You're over ten hours late, pal.

>> No.18597769

Considering how bad people get at languages despite using flashcards...

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>> No.18597803

Yeah, that's what I proposed in my first post.

>> No.18597831

You're right, everyone should be completely fluent because they use flash cards.

>> No.18597925

CoR, nyaa, pay those 5 measly bucks for a book (won't add p to much while you are shit and when you get better you can use the pictures (sic!) of text Nips and retarded weaboos make public)
Seriously, couldn't they de-DRM instead of going full retard.
If you do buy something, remove DRM with widely available de-DRM tools like no-click calibre plugins etc.

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I started reading recently and I'm having fun, but the final panel has me stumped. It's a one-shot comic so this is all the context there is to it. Can people make sense of it?

>> No.18598232

I'd still appreciate help with this.

>> No.18598261

She was going to say ありがとう but cut herself off, then tried to play it off by saying アリが十匹って一応伝えたからね

>> No.18598297

Thank you for the reply. I understood that much, but what is アリ? Is she referring to there being 14 thumbtacks?

>> No.18598298

Oh, I thought >>18596940 was a meme so I didn't open the image. Yeah it's what >>18598261 said.

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Good post for anyone else that feels oppressed by Matt

>> No.18598316 [DELETED] 

Go away and don't come back.

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>> No.18598439

Thank you for this. I tried googling the phrase earlier but didn't return any helpful results. This is still rather confusing, but it helps a lot.

>> No.18598460

>Thank you for this.
you had one job

>> No.18598470

Retard chose one year view instead of lifetime

>> No.18598483

Sorry, 14 ants.

>> No.18598489

down the bottom it states the period as deck life though

>> No.18598525

One year view isn't 364/364 days.

>> No.18598648

I'm not sure how to read 憂いた or even what verb it is. As far as the dictionary goes there is no 憂いる verb so I don't understand where did 憂いた came from to begin with.

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>> No.18598672

not really sure how to approach practicing for listening

should i take it line by line with pausing? slow down audio? just play it out and catch as many words as possible?

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>> No.18598707

Throw a shit ton of real audio at your ears, and eventually some will stick.

>> No.18598713

slowing down is good but not if it starts to sound pitch shifted or distorted, you should seek out slow audio sources instead or just use subs

>> No.18598773

Isn't 憂く just the i-adj 憂い conjugated? Aka it's not a verb so you can't conjugate it to 憂いた as if it was.

I tried reading that before asking but I just don't get it. The top rated answer says something and then goes back saying they got it wrong.

Another other answer says it's read うれいた but when I search that doesn't seem to exist as a word by itself so I assume it's the result of conjugation. However the two verbs I can think of that would result in that when conjugated would be うれく and うれいる and neither of those verbs exist apparently. So where did うれいた even come from? Nowhere? I'm really lost.

>> No.18598789

look up classical Japanese equivalents of i adjectives

>> No.18598800

>listen to japanese audio a couple nights ago
>I felt like I understood a great deal of it, maybe 70%
>listen to the exact same audio file last night
>understood maybe half at most
I don't get it, how am I losing fluency after a second listening

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>> No.18598872

So according to weblio, 憂く would be the classical adjective 憂し conjugated to its conjunctive form. I really can't see how that relates to the issue of 憂いた but I'm really out of my depth here.

What am I missing?

>> No.18598879

it's very difficult to accurately judge your own level of comprehension of something when it's not like 100%
it's likely that the parts that you don't understand stick out to you a lot more now now that you've listened to it once

>> No.18599018

Thank you for spreading HOPE

>> No.18599095

Don't. This isn't Reddit.

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>> No.18599351

Don't make my mistake, never use fucking memrise. After several months of memrise I'm moving to anki. Memrise has been progressively making it easier to get cards right so that users earn more points (no points don't get you anything at all). They're basically making you feel good about yourself without actually helping you learn. They also change their font all the fucking time and break custom css. I'm done with this shit, I just want to learn Japanese.

>> No.18599392

The guide really helps people dodge bullets like this
did you come here after you already started it?

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>> No.18599547

Yeah, I had some friends shilling memrise for other languages so I figured I would just go with that

>> No.18599653

You should try wanikani, it's definitely worth its price.

>> No.18599756

I can't stop myself from looking at J-E definitions after reading J-J definitions even though I've been doing this for a couple thousand cards now. Will I ever be able to stop or am I forever a little bitch? Does anyone else have this issue?
For example:
>Oh, that's obviously a solid-ass example, or something. Hmmm, I better check jisho.org just in case I'm an idiot.
Like... there was no reason to double check that but I couldn't help myself

>> No.18599808

Nah, I have it so bad with rikaisama that I sometimes try to mouse over words from other foreign languages before realizing it only works with Japanese.

>> No.18599810

I didn't have that issue because I only started consistently using J-J dictionaries after I was capable of understanding them.

>> No.18599846

So, what interesting words have you guys mined today?

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Nothing so far. Its getting harder to mine new words let alone interesting ones.
where did you find that one

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Nothing interesting today but last week I came across another word with 累 in it: 累積.
There is something pleasing about 累.

>> No.18600069

るい is a pretty rare reading, probably that's why.

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