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1850186 No.1850186 [Reply] [Original]

...Alright, /jp/, I'm about to jump into a hole with no bottom.

Where's the best place to start with Touhou?

>> No.1850191

Throw your computer out your window.

>> No.1850192

>>1850186
The hentai.

>> No.1850194

Start with touhou? What on Earth are you trying to do?

>> No.1850198

Your room, I think.
Unless your computer's somewhere else.

>> No.1850200

>>1850186
Watch this anime http://www.nyaatorrents.org/?page=download&tid=45045

>> No.1850201

the gaems.

maybe some of them have been translated by now.

>> No.1850208

go play IN with the border team or something

>> No.1850211

If you want to at least have a decent foothold in the series, EOSD

If you want to be able to be a bit more cultured, SOEW

>> No.1850215

Watch the anime then play the unofficial games

>> No.1850220

Play Iamp.

>> No.1850223

>>1850211
Hey, thanks. :3 I was worried I phrased my question a bit... terribly, there.

Off I go. Thanks much, all!

>> No.1850227

Touhou is garbage.

>> No.1850228

Start with the game, play them in order, you could skip the pc98 games if you wish, but try them out at least once.
Start with EOSD.
If you get into it, download the lossless (or lossy) music torrent.
fan art, doujins, porn, fanime, etc.

>> No.1850229

Perfect Cherry Blossom. Not too easy and not too hard.

>> No.1850235

The games are the only good thing. People who have 5TB of lossless touhou remixes are homo modo.

>> No.1850238

Work your way up from EoSD. Or if you really want to be hardcore, HRtP.

>> No.1850241
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>>1850186
Start Here: http://www.megaupload.com/jp/?d=EAQSAP60

>> No.1850246

Imperishable Night, then work your way up to the more recent games. Perfect Cherry Blossom is decent, but doesn't really hold much of a candle in comparison with its sequels.
Ignore the fightans unless you aren't into the genre in the first place.

>> No.1850249

What's with all the Touhou hype anyway? I've never played it but from videos of it, it looks incredibly lame

>> No.1850253

>>1850235 The games are the only good thing
The games are lame 80's twitch bullshit.

>> No.1850254
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>>1850241
This. Perfect Cherry Blossom is definitely the place to start.

>> No.1850271

>>1850253
Reaction and timing in video games? It's more likely than you think.

>> No.1850285

>>1850253

Weird, I see shmups being released by the truckload even nowadays.

>> No.1850291

shoot the bullet is where i started

>> No.1850299

>>1850253
>The games are lame 80's twitch bullshit.

They're games with actual GAMEPLAY, challenging bosses and catchy music, as opposed to whatever sort of McTerrible VN or JRPG you waste your days playing. And aside from that, none of the Touhou games are anywhere near the difficulty of something like Contra or the Arcade version of Gradius III (the so-called 80's twitch games), because those had difficulty not just from level design but from clumsy handling and other sorts of factors beyond player control.

OP: Start with Embodiment of Scarlet Devil and work on it until you get frustrated or hit a roadblock, play PCB and Shoot the Bullet for a change of pace, when you do.

And don't play on Easy; always play on at least normal and if you seem to have trouble advancing in the game, turn the difficulty up one level and play on that for a while. Then go back; at least for me, it seems to help me improve my control and reaction enough to help me move further along.

>> No.1850306

>>1850291
You started with Shoot the Bullet? Man, that must have been frustrating...

>> No.1850320

>>1850306
I did too and fuckin loved it. StB is still one of my favorites.

>> No.1850365

I started with EoSD, myself, and got completely hooked to the series by PCB. So yeah, download a few of them, start with EoSD Normal, then start moving up and trying the others. It'll help you accustom yourself to danmaku.

>> No.1850375

>>1850320
I only got it three days ago, working on Stage 5 spellcards right now. Did you have more trouble with Stage 3 cards than Stage 4 cards, by chance? It might just be due to the fact that Reisen is such a pushover, but...

>>1850365
Same story as in my case.

>> No.1850397

>>1850299 whatever sort of McTerrible VN or JRPG
lol if you don't like Touhou you play VN's or JRPG's!

Fuck your /mu/ fail logic bullshit. I like platformers and fighting games.

>> No.1850401

>>1850285
I bet most Touhou fans on /jp/ don't even play other shmups.

>> No.1850407

>>1850401
I don't even play the touhou ones !

>> No.1850409

Can we not start this again

>> No.1850411

>>1850401

Most Touhou fans on /jp/ are missing out.

>> No.1850413

>>1850186

Perfect Cherry Blossom or Imperishable Night.

>> No.1850420

Embodiment of the Scarlet Devil so you won't become dependent on seeing your hitbox.

>> No.1850426

>>1850306
a little
not because shoot the bullet was hard, that was refreshing
it's because all the other games are really uninteresting after shoot the bullet

>> No.1850427

>>1850401
The only danmaku I play is Touhou, but I've beaten a few titles in the R-Type series, the (nerfed) SNES version of Gradius III and Super Contra. I honestly don't think I have the skill or time to learn one of the cave danmaku or Radiant Silvergun, god forbid.

>>1850397
>Fuck your /mu/ fail logic bullshit. I like platformers and fighting games.

Not sure what you mean by "/mu/ fail logic," but what platformers/fighting games?

>> No.1850448

>>1850420
You shouldn't really be watching only your hitbox most of the time anyway, so yeah.

>> No.1850449

>>1850401
I tried DoDonPaChi (or whatever was its name) once, loved it, but I think I lost the ROM somewhere and I'm too lazy to look for it again.
I also tried the C75 RefRain demo today and it was awesome, even though I died on the first boss. I'll wait until the final version.

>> No.1850451

>>1850375
You're about to get assraped so hard by Meiling's bullshit. Her shit is harder than anything in stages 6, 7, or 8.

>> No.1850478

>>1850299
Gameplay is a meaningless word, dipshit. http://insomnia.ac/commentary/gameplay/

>> No.1850479

>>1850451
I've already gotten violated by China with greater frequency than Marisa in a room with Patchy and Alice, hence why I'm taking a break to post.

>> No.1850488

>>1850478
>.ac
this is clearly a credible source and the main authority on all words

>> No.1850497

>>1850478
So how exactly does citing a random pretentious neckbeard's blog somehow establish that "gameplay" is a non-existant concept?

>> No.1850501

>>1850497
Read that rant. Do you say shit like "this book has good bookread" or "this futa doujin has good doujinfap"? No. Gameplay is a stupid word.

>> No.1850506
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>>1850501
That would apply to almost half the words in the English language. The logic of "you wouldn't say it in EVERY case so its stupid! hurr" is really fucking stupid, hurr.

>> No.1850509
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1850509

EoSD, with the retexture Patch. It's on the wiki somewhere.

>> No.1850518

>>1850478
Forgot to add this to my previous post, but in addition, his argument is based entirely on semantics, redefinition and misrepresentation; as it's commonly used, gameplay is a measure of the depth of correspondence between the game and player input, along with the necessary secondary elements (like detailed scoring rules) - thus, something like Touhou or a cave shooter can be said to have stronger gameplay than a VN. In no way are his other examples analagous to gameplay, in the sense of it's colloquial usage.

>> No.1850527

>>1850501

This bullshit didn't really fly on /v/ despite having been reposted hundreds and hundreds of times. What makes you believe /jp/ would give a fuck?

>> No.1850530

>>1850501
I typed out a rant in response to this, but I think my point gets across better with "You're a moron."

>> No.1850534

>>1850518
So it's such a shallow word that you might as well not use it. Cool, glad we agree

>> No.1850542

>>1850509

Isn't there also a patch which pinpoints the hitbox upon focusing?

>> No.1850543

>>1850527
Why do you think it gets reposted? People agree, he's correct. It's idiots like you who keep on perpetuating the existence of the word that are the problem. Stop saying gameplay and use a word that fucking makes sense.

>> No.1850545

Touhou rox period.

>> No.1850549

making a new word out of two other words that don't exactly fit together is something that has been going on in the english language forever
deal with it

>> No.1850553

>>1850542
It includes a seperate .DAT for hitboxes. Someone else also made a patch for the regular version too.

Unfortunately, it's impossible to only make it pop up on focus - EoSD doesn't support it.

>> No.1850554

>>1850501
I think it's silly comparing a word that exists and has a clear definition and meaning with words that don't exist.

>> No.1850558
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1850558

rezombie is now a word

>> No.1850562

>>1850558
you mean it wasn't 10 minutes ago?

>> No.1850566
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>>1850562
Don't be such a saggldyfras.

>> No.1850571

>>1850566
no, you're a saggledfrier

>> No.1850577

It's actually a good idea to start with the animu, as you can make people rage by just being honest about how you got into Touhou.

>> No.1850584

>>1850554
Show me a dictionary that has "gameplay" in it.

>> No.1850587

>>1850577
Too late though. Even if he watches the anime now, the real answer to how he got into Touhou would be /jp/

>> No.1850588

>>1850554
your post has good postsage

>> No.1850590

>>1850584
Give it a few years. w00t is in, so it's just a matter of time, given how common it is.

>> No.1850591

>>1850543

>Why do you think it gets reposted?

Because on /v/ trolls thrive on seeing people argue over petty shit. Why the fuck do you think thread about sales figures and casuals / hardcore gamers is the way of life over there?
/v/ is the troll central of 4chan.

>> No.1850594

>>1850584
http://www.reference.com/search?q=Gameplay

>> No.1850600

>>1850543
So because a small cadre of /v/illains attempt to force a meme by spamming it, it suddenly validates the credulity of his point?

a. A diversion of the nature of a contest, played according to rules, and displaying in the result the superiority either in skill, strength, or good fortune of the winner or winners. For round, square game, see ROUND, SQUARE. at game: at play.

a1300 Cursor M. 28338 Til idel gammes, chess and tablis. 1340 Ayenb. 45 Kueade gemenes ase bye e gemenes of des and of tables. a1400-50 Alexander 2272 What gome sall is gamen begyn vpon first? 1515 Nottingham Rec. III. 344 Caredys and odar gammys for money. 1530 Privy Purse Exp. Hen. VIII (1827) 17 Item..paide..to Domyngo for soo moche money As his grace loste to him at game, iiijCli. 1530 in W. H. Turner Select. Rec. Oxford 86 [They] do mayntayne..unlawfull gamys of the tenys. 1715 tr. C'tess D'Aunoy's Wks. 208 There was a numerous Assembly of Persons of Distinction, several Tables where they were at Game. 1716 LADY M. W. MONTAGU Let. to C'tess Mar 14 Sept., I could not play at a game I had never seen before. 1815 Encycl. Brit. III. 487 Beast, among gamesters, a game at cards. 1863 GEO. ELIOT Romola II. iii, A game in which there was an agreeable mingling of skill and chance.


This is the colloquial usage of gameplay, as defined by the Oxford English Dictionary. As you can see, it isn't some sort of vague, unqualified noun or a new word (it's been around since the 14th century...); it specifically refers to the rules of a contest or game, thus defining itself not as the game as a whole as that blogger argues, but as a constituent element.

Thus, trying to compare the word gameplay to "bookread" is a misrepresentation; gameplay is an element of a game, so a congruous comparison to a book would be something like "plot."

>> No.1850603

As a shit tier player, I'd say just try the different games and have fun. Experiment and don't ragequit. StB is good practice and is fun. But hey, what do I know, shit tier.

>> No.1850605

>>1850584
Oh you silly goose! Just because it's not in a dictionary doesn't mean it's a word that doesn't exist! However, it's jargon widely accepted and utilized by people that play and review videogames, and is a concept widely understood by most videogame users!

>> No.1850609

>>1850600
"But, man, there are just things I want to say that can't possibly be expressed without using the word gameplay".

You are wrong. There is nothing one might want to say that can't be expressed without using the word gameplay. I could start going through random videogame publications picking examples, but I'll just do one of the most frequently-occurring ones and I'll trust you to figure out the rest. Here it is:

"This game has great gameplay but shitty graphics."

This means exactly the same as:

"This is a great game but it has shitty graphics."

>> No.1850618

>>1850609
Not necessarily, it could also mean

"This would have been a great game if the graphics weren't so abysmal/system-hogging/whatever as to make it not so."

>> No.1850616

>>1850609
>"This game has great gameplay but shitty graphics."
>This means exactly the same as:
>"This is a great game but it has shitty graphics."
yeah in that context, but not all contexts

>> No.1850624

>>1850609
FUCKIN DAMNIT, HE'S RIGHT, WE'VE GOTTA STOP USING SYNONYMS AND ALTERNATE WAYS OF SPEAKING. THERE IS EXACTLY ONE MOTHERFUCKIN WAY TO EXPRESS A CONCEPT AND IF YOU DON'T DO IT HOW THIS MOTHERFUCKING MAN TELLS YOU TO, YOU ARE FUCKIN WRONG.

(I just got trolled, huh?)

>> No.1850621

>>1850609
No, gameplay is used to describe the actual game mechanics. The game without regards for the other shit.

>> No.1850627

>>1850609
They do not mean the exact same thing. Gameplay is just one of the categories being rated. For example, if it also had horrible storyline, terrible music, and numerable graphic glitches, then even if the gameplay is good I doubt the reviewers will call it a "great game".

>> No.1850632

>>1850584
I can show you a dictionary with bootylicious in it.
Webster agreed, don't bother him about it.

>> No.1850646

If I asked people about a game's "gameplay" and they went into detail on the mechanics and systems of the game then it would be fine, but pretty much everyone says "good" or "shitsux" which tells you nothing about it since those are very subjective responses and the respondent's views may differ from your own.

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>>1850632

>> No.1850657

Rant dude is right, gameplay is used like a general filler term without meaning and avoids having actual discussion about the game.

>> No.1850656

>>1850646
you ask someone an opinion AND THEY GIVE YOU THEIR OPINION?
HOLY FUCK

>> No.1850661

>>1850648
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=bootylicious

>> No.1850666

>>1850657
Hello rant dude.

Sage for /v/ faggotry.

>> No.1850668

>>1850657
>hello
YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID GOOD MORNING BECAUSE IT'S MORNING AND A GOOD ONE
FUCKING FILELR TERMS

>> No.1850669

>>1850646
And yet, in this very thread people are explaining to you that it's refering to rules and mechanics, while no one is using it as "good" or "shitsux".

Are you so certain that "everyone" (not counting the subhuman retards of /v/ or whatever other gaming cesspool sites you visit) uses it according to your definition?

>> No.1850671

Just to throw in my two cents on the "gameplay" issue, what the writer of that article fails to understand is that "gameplay" is not defined as a playthrough of a game, "gameplay" is an element of a game, and hence saying "good gameplay" cannot simply be replaced with saying "a good game" because the quality of a game is an amalgamation of the quality of its elements, of which gameplay is only one. He criticizes the use of a word without first understanding its meaning and purpose.

>> No.1850682

THIS THREAD

>> No.1850689

>>1850671
This.

>>1850682
This chair. This chair. This chair.

>> No.1850693

You're better than this /jp/.

Or at least you were.

>> No.1850698

>>1850693
I'm just having fun trolling the troll. I'm keeping it in one thread.

>> No.1850730

To be honest, I got into Touhou because of the music. I heard some of the WAVE orchestral compositions on /a/radio way back when, asked for more info about it, ended up finding the games, and never looked back.

>> No.1850736

Looks like that egocentric, attention whore troll couldn't mount a rebuttal and left. Oh well.

>>1850730
Honestly, I was surprised when I learned that one guy with a synthesizer who also did the programming and graphics was making such excellent tunes as well. What's your favorite piece?

>> No.1850748

>>1850671
And that is the word's problem. It's encompasses the entire idea of game mechanics and subsystems so people feel satisfied with responses like "good" or "bad" which tells you little about the "gameplay," and feel no need to divulge deeper. It's a dead end word that kills intelligent video game discussion.

>> No.1850750

>>1850748
What? You should have problems with responses of "good" and "bad" to questions of "how is the story" or "how are the graphics" too then, because gameplay is an element of a game exactly like story and graphics are.

>> No.1850752

>>1850748

>intelligent video game discussion

Oh you

>> No.1850755

>>1850748
That's a problem with the people, not with the word.

>> No.1850758

>>1850748
graphics and gameplay are equally broad terms
graphics can mean architectural detail, texture resolution, deepness of fog, lighting, animation, physics, art exoticness, menu readability, pretty sparkles, and whatever else

if you can't say 'the gameplay is bad'
then you also can't say 'the graphics are bad'

>> No.1850772

>>1850748
>so people feel satisfied with responses like "good" or "bad"

No one in this thread is satisfied with that calibre of response, which is why we're discussing it. To what sort of "people" are you referring?

>> No.1851494

>>1850750

Why are we able to talk about books and movies without saying "bookread" and "moviewatch"? "Gameplay" is just a bullshit term that means nothing, just like "bookread" and "moviewatch". Magazines in the old days used to say "game mechanics" or "play control" and that's what they should say.

>> No.1851511

>>1851494

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