Touhou & Mythology

[Anonymous No.]

Continuation of >>18087595

ITT we discuss and connect the mythology background to the Touhous.

Like Eirin is based of Shinto God of Wisdom Omoikane, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

If you want to end an immortal, make them not exist. That's not dying, an illness, nor an injury.

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>>18453437
this anon has an iq of 300

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>>18452692
Very well, if you insist.

What you need to understand is that all the touhou characters are yukai. Yukai are demons of the Japanese mythology. They are like Satan in that they dwell in souls and try to tempt good Christians. Most of them are succubus or something like that, thought there is also the Japanese Goblin, the Japanese Ogre and the Japanese hobbit. All are demons (Yukai).

In Touhou the Yukai fights against each other because their nature is to fight for souls. Yukari is the Yukai of trains/gates. Patchouli is the Yukai of books. Etc.

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>>18453437
Even that's a questionable prospect for killing Hourai Immortals.
To make something cease to exist is a form of change, something that a Hourai existence rejects.

The best way to kill a Hourai Immortal is likely to destroy the universe itself. Make it so that the Hourai doesn't have a place to exist, essentially killing it by preventing it to ever form because there is no space to form.

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>>18091999
>The gigantic 8-headed snake is Suika's daddy

what

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>>18453841
>To make something cease to exist is a form of change
Not if you're thorough enough to make it have never existed at all.

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>>18454162
Orochi survived his battle against Susanoo and then fucked someone's daughter, giving birth to Shuten-douji (Suika). Iirc that was how the legend went.

Also for that anon suggesting that Usami Sadamitsu might be related to Renko/Sumireko, isn't his family name written differently from Renko's?

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>>18455427
The moment that Mokou, Kaguya, Eirin, and Chang'e drank the Hourai Elixir their existence rejected all change.

Say if you prevent them from ever being born, essentially preventing their existence.
You then go back to the current timeline and find that the Hourais are still alive and well because their existence is in stasis.
What happened in the past does not affect them because in this timeline, they already drank the Hourai Elixir. The change you have done to the timeline is rejected.

Reminder that no known Touhou can kill a Hourai Immortal. This includes Yukari, Okina, Watatsukis, Remilia, and more that can very likely play with the concept of existence.

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>>18458431
>Also for that anon suggesting that Usami Sadamitsu might be related to Renko/Sumireko, isn't his family name written differently from Renko's?

The surname 宇佐見 on Renko/Sumireko is the alternate kanji writing for the Sadamitsu's surname 宇佐美. So more or less they are the same, hence why they might have blood relation.

source : https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/宇佐美氏

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>>18459690
I didn't say kill or not born, I said not exist. Concept of immortals doesn't exist. History of immortals doesn't exist. Memory of immortals doesn't exist. A complete universe without immortality.

Incidentally for them to be actually immortal, they have to be more powerful than whatever the strongest god in touhouverse is, lest it just remake a universe without them.

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>>18454162
http://yokai.com/kidoumaru/

>Kidōmaru’s was born after the legendary samurai Minamoto no Yorimitsu (also known as Raikō) and his party of heroes had subjugated Shuten dōji and freed all of the women captured by his oni gang. The women were grateful to the samurai for rescuing them, and returned home to their villages. One of the women, however, didn’t return to her home. Instead, she traveled to the village of Kumohara, where she gave birth to a baby oni—Shuten dōji’s son!

>Suika already got herself a kid

Suika is Suwako tier now

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>>18459690
>>18463366
Both of you are getting extremely stupid. Can we please leave wankery out of this thread.

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>>18452692
No Hindu deities in 2hu yet?

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>>18471004
Shou and Nazrin are related to some hindu god right?

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>>18471113
A Buddhist god, but more closely related to the Japanese version of that god. Shou is the avatar of Bishamonten, one of the Seven Lucky Gods of Japan and the Guardian of the North, while the rat (or mouse in Nazrin's case) in the Chinese zodiac represents the north. Bishamonten is the Japanese version of the Buddhist god Vaisravana, whose origins are connected to Hinduism.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese mythology is the least creative or interesting of all the cultures on the planet.

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>>18471906
>Goddess shits out foods
>A Goddess dancing naked to lure another goddess out
>least creative

[Anonymous No.]

All I know is that something like Gensokyo or at least it's inhabitants do exist, I could feel it / them when I was more into spiritualism. (And trust me you got to step carefully because it's not a motherfucking game to contact with youkai/demons - you name it)

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>>18471940
Not anywhere near as creative as kids cutting the balls off their father so he'd stop fucking their mother and making a pile of kids stuck between them, and then yet another kid being born from the balls.

Hell, has a japanese god ever born a child from a part of its body or from being killed or from being hit by a stray feather or any thing like that?

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>>18471312
>the rat (or mouse in Nazrin's case
Prove Nazrin is not a rat.

[Anonymous No.]

What if Yukari is actually the Nyarlathotep of Touhou and Maribel is just another one of her forms? I'd like to argue that at least one of the countless blonde PC-98 characters is also Yukari.

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>>18473565
Rats are disgusting but mouses can be cute and so it is not possible for Nazrin to be a rat.

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>>18473560
Dude are you trolling?
Susanoo was born from Izanagi's face after being washed and has literal islands as older brothers. Konohanasakuya-hime gave birth one day after becoming pregnant to three children while her hut was burning. The Little Melon Princess was born from a melon going down a river.

>>18473612
More like the Yog-Sothoth of Touhou. She manipulates boundaries and space, eyes, her thoughts are completely alien, sleeps way too much, etc.

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>>18471113
>>18471312

>>18357522

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>>18474125
>More like the Yog-Sothoth of Touhou.
Then her nemesis is a really big doggo? (reference to Mh'ithrha)

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Soga clan was actually a noble clan from Korea and responsible for modernizing Japan and introducing Buddhism before the got fucked by Fujiwara. Now I think about it, one of Japanese's stereotype of Korean is that Korean is extremely temperamental and hot headed and Tojiko is well known in both fanon and canon for her temper.

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>>18482658
>Hata clan is originated from Chinese

what's the meaning of this?

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>>18482768
Is not that uncommon for a nobility to rule in foreign land. For example current Monarch of England is German and their line can be traced to French. Rurik is Swedish. Spanish Monarchy is French too.

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>>18474125
Susan's a literal booger-baby.

>>18473560
IIRC, Izanagi, whose wife-imouto Izanami, was burned to death giving birth to a new god, so in his rage he chopped his newborn son (Kagutsu-chi) into eight pieces and spread them throughout Japan, which each piece turned into a volcano and the blood of this newlyborn god dripped from Izanagi's blade and became a myriad of gods.

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>>18483203
They have many though

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>>18485842
Where's Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, and Susanoo in this pic?

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>>18452692
We have 2 of The Greatest Japanese Youkai in 2hu Shuten-doji as Suika and Tamame no Mae as Ran.

When we are gonna get 2hu Emperor Sutoku as Tengu or Vengeful Ghost?

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>>18491832
>Tamamo no Mae as Ran
evidence?

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>>18491832
>greatest
Suika is one of the most famous youkai?

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>>18492214
Tamame no Mae is a nine-tailed fox. Ran is a Shikigami that has said fox possessing her.

>>18492450
Duh. She is based after Shuten-doji after all.

[Anonymyon No.]

Let's not forget that Ran Yakumo isn't even the Kitsune itself. She's simply the copy of Wolfram Alpha Yukari loaded into the Kitsune's brain.
So if that was Tamamo or an analogue of her, RIP.

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>>18492523
That's the evidence to affirm Ran Yakumo is Tamamo no Mae?

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Not of this shit can be proven, all of this is western fanfic shit made by doujinshi """""""""""experts"""""""""""" who this zounose is a good writer lmao

[Anonymous No.]

I know the "Suwako is Chang'e" thing has been explored on a couple of times, but it does explain too why would the Moriya Shrine have a body, or probably even bodies, of sun crows in their stock.

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>>18492523
>>18494216
Ran is not Tamame no Mae, just another nine-tailed fox that has been hijacked by Yukari like this anon said >>18493331

There's another famous fox out there like Kuzunoha and Da Ji. But not even her profile mentioned being one of the famous.

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>>18494234
If you don't contribute, then fuck off. Suika based on Shuten-doji is already clear enough.

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>>18494541
Chang'e did nothing on the sun crows. It was Hou Yi who shot them down.

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>>18482658
The fact that I was fapping all these years to a Korean is somehow devastating to me. No sir I don't like this.

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>>18498536
You should to our great leader Kim.

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>>18485842
>Part of their bodies can give birth that many gods

Christ

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>>18498536
Now you picture Tojiko dancing and singing K-Pop secretly.

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>>18492214
Well, there's that "A mysterious occurrence on the crossing to three countries" intro to PCB's Extra stage, which probably refers to the same fox that was known as Lady Kayo in India, Daji in China and Tamamo no Mae in Japan.

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>>18494541
>>18498241
Question : Is Yatagarasu also one of Junko's child? If it is, then a certain Hell crow will also become one of Junko's vendetta

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>>18517048
Hecatia is the one mad at Houyi for shooting the suns down (and then got mad at Chang'e for it solely because her BFF Junko did it).

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The Bamboo Annals makes reference to a historical Hou Yi who is often conflated with the legendary sun-shooting Hou Yi. Some accounts of his death involve his wife, referred to as Sable Fox, who might have been Junko (fox motif).

http://www.wikiwand.com/en/Han_Zhuo

I might have thought that because of this Junko couldn't have been the mother of the suns, however, now that I read this article again none of this is making sense, as Sable Fox not only had one, but two sons, and was made right after Hou Yi died. The Junko we know lost her son to Hou Yi, who must've been alive to kill him.

Yeah, uh.... so forget everything I said.

Still, there is a chance Junko's son might have lived on within Okuu, but she's a literally unknown character so anything is possible.

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>>18494541
>>18517048
>>18517231
>>18519252
Just found out that Junko is based on TWO characters.

The first is the obvious Chún Hú (纯狐) or Xuán Qī (玄妻), the wife of Emperor Hou Yi.

The other one is Xihe (羲和), the Chinese Sun Goddess.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xihe_(deity)
>Xihe (Chinese: 羲和; pinyin: Xīhé; Wade–Giles: Hsi-ho), was a solar deity in Chinese mythology. One of the two wives of Di Jun (along with Changxi), she was the mother of ten suns in the form of three-legged crows residing in a mulberry tree, the Fusang, in the East Sea. Each day, one of the sun birds would be rostered to travel around the world on a carriage driven by Xihe.

Folklore also held that once, all ten sun birds came out on the same day, causing the world to burn; Houyi saved the day by shooting down all but one of the sun birds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18494541
>>18498241
>>18517048
>>18517231
>>18519252

Just found out that Junko is based on TWO characters.

The first one is the obvious Chún Hú (纯狐) or Xuán Qī (玄妻), the wife of Emperor Hou Yi.

The other one is Xihe (羲和), the Chinese Sun Goddess.

>Xihe (Chinese: 羲和; pinyin: Xīhé; Wade–Giles: Hsi-ho), was a solar deity in Chinese mythology. One of the two wives of Di Jun (along with Changxi), she was the mother of ten suns in the form of three-legged crows residing in a mulberry tree, the Fusang, in the East Sea. Each day, one of the sun birds would be rostered to travel around the world on a carriage driven by Xihe.

>Folklore also held that once, all ten sun birds came out on the same day, causing the world to burn; Houyi saved the day by shooting down all but one of the sun birds.

Sacue : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xihe_(deity)

[Anonymous No.]

Bump

[Anonymous No.]

Is Rinnosuke based on writer Ryūnosuke Akutagawa?

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>>18489352
These are gods that born thanks to union of Izanagi and Izanami. The three deities born from Izanagi washing his face on stream after the ill-fated encounter on Izanami in Yomi

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>>18536660
Probably not

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>>18453646
>Yukai

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>>18546921
implying that is the strangest part of the obvious joke post

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>>18485842
Wouldn't it be better to use the Nihon Shoki instead? I know the Kojiki is older, but the Nihon Shoki Has always seemed to be the standard.
>>18494234
Even if much of that was the case, Touhou is inspired by many Eastern religions. Just like RPG's are inspired many religions.

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>>18548860
I thought Kojiki is a lot more informative than Nihon Shoki

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>>18452692
>https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Keystone
In the air, as the current Heaven, the stones that float there were also originally super-large keystones that were stuck in the Earth. Before Heaven floated in the air, there were absolutely no earthquakes on earth, but when the giant keystone was removed, a massive-scale earthquake occurred, and the living things on Earth were once all swept away, and afterwards earthquakes have begun to occur.
> a massive-scale earthquake occurred, and the living things on Earth were once all swept away

So this is a reference to Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cretaceous-Paleogene_extinction_event

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Tenshi and Iku are lunarians.

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>>18554283
Iku is at most a servant race like the rabbits. Tenshi, though, no way. Shinto Heaven (aka the Moon) and Buddhist Heaven are two totally different things.

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>Unlike Kanako, who is technically adivine spiritwho once had a human form, Suwako is one of themyriad gods, and thus consists purely of faith.
I still don't get that how Sanae is Suwako's distant descendant.

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>>18556976
Ponos in vagooo man.

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>>18554283
Here's a post.
https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,20714.msg1332127.html#msg1332127

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>>18551704
Nah, other way around. Both have their own take on things, but I recommend reading both.

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>>18564455
Alright. Is Otogi-zōshi good too?

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>>18556976
Someone fucked her and she had at least one child.

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>>18566291
How can she get pregnant with a human?

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>>18566387
see >>18557102

[Anonymous No.]

There was some idea, for a better word, about Suwako enshrining a portion of her spirit in Sanae's ancestor.

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>>18554283
Remember the Dragon Palace in Gensokyo and Lunarian are different, as they are ruled by different Dragon God. The Lunarian one is more likely Watatsumi, while the Gensokyo one is either Yellow Dragon or Yinglong due to their association with Weather and Elemental Nature.

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>>18453841
Dont the elixir works even if you time travel for before they drank it? That could no-sell universal erasure as a killing method.

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>>18556976
Someone fucked her.

I wonder who and if it was before or after kanako happened.

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>>18577978
>someone fucked her
Maybe that was futa Kanako?
Sanae is a wind priestess and Kanako is Wind God after all.

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>>18578355
It's possible.

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>>18578355
we dont know. there was a good manga done about that had suwako get raped by a former subject after she was defeated by kanako. ZUN doesnt go that dark, i imagine she just had a child with some dude a long time ago.

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>>18579077
From previous thread :
>Takeminakata/Kouga Saburou (建御名方/甲賀三郎) - The original Ruler of Suwa region. Also the husband of Yasakatome no Kami/Kanako as Takeminakata and Moreya no Kami/Suwako as Kouga Saburou.

So it's possibly Kouga Saburou who impregnated her.

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>>18454162
Since the previosu thread went to the archive, I'm going to repost it :

>EosD
Vlad Tepes III Draculesti/Count Dracula - Responsible for turning the Scarlet sisters into vampire.

>PCB
Saigyou Houshi/Satou Norikiyo (西行法師/佐藤義清) - Yuyuko's father, also the famous poet who died and became the embodiment of Saigyou Ayakashi Tree.

>IaMP
Yamata no Orochi/Ibuki Daimyoujin (八岐大蛇/伊吹大明神) - Suika's father. Suggest her in a dream to find the other Oni so she wouldn't be lonely.

>IN
Sanuki no Miyatsuko (讃岐造) and Fujiwara no Fuhito (藤原不比等) - Kaguya's adoptive father and Mokou's father. The former persuaded Kaguya to stay at Earth (only to run away from the Lunarians before he managed to reunite with Kaguya) while the latter possessed Sanuki no Miyatsuko to enact revenge on him and Kaguya.

>PoFV
Enmaten (焔魔天) - The Ruler of Higan and Chief Judge of Hell. Responsible for creating Shikieiki from Jizou statue and employed Komachi under her.

>MoF
Takeminakata/Kouga Saburou (建御名方/甲賀三郎) - The original Ruler of Suwa region. Also the husband of Yasakatome no Kami/Kanako as Takeminakata and Moreya no Kami/Suwako as Kouga Saburou.

>SWR
Taishakuten (帝釈天) - The Lord of Heaven and Leader of the Celestials. Responsible for giving Tenshi the Sword of Hisou so she can create an incident that results territory expansion for Heaven.

>SA
Sarutahiko (猿田毘古) - Earthly kami who lead Ninigi to the land together with Yatagarasu and the ancestor of monkey-like youkai like Satori. Responsible for trapping Yatagarasu underground that results Kanako persuading Utsuho to eat it.

>UFO
Myouren (命蓮) - Byakuren's brother and the driving force behind her quest for immortality to avoid death.

>TD
Emperor Youmei (用明天皇) - Father of Prince Shoutoku/Miko and a relative to Soga clan. Responsible for introducing Taoism to the Soga and Mononobe before Seiga Kaku came in.

>HM
Hata no Kawakatsu/Taikou Daimyoujin (秦河勝/対抗大明神)- The creator and father figure for Hata no Kokoro. Responsible for throwing away the Mask of Hope so she could stand on her own emotionally.

>DDC
Urikohime (瓜子姫) - The Princess that Shinmyoumaru sworn to protect in the past, only to get murdered accidentally by Seija.

>ULiL
Usami Clan (宇佐美氏/宇佐見氏) - They're samurai clan differing branch of Ito clan and Kudo clan. The only known members are Usami Sadamitsu (宇佐美定満), a general of Uesugi clan, and Usami Sukemochi (宇佐美祐茂), Head of the Usami clan at Izu in Heian period. Possible ancestor of Sumireko and Renko.

>LoLK
Feng Meng/Houmou (逢蒙) - Hou Yi's apprentice and responsible for his death with the collaboration of Han Zhou and Xuan Qi/Junko. He's also the only one who try to rob the Elixir of Immortality from Chang'e/Jouga, resulting her drank the said Elixir and become immortal, which also results Junko's erratic pursue on her.

>AoCM
Kisshoten (吉祥天) and Kokuanten (黒闇天) - The original Goddess Fortune/Blessing and Misfortune/Disaster. Both sisters are mother figure of Jo'on and Shion respectively. Tired of of their daughters always messing around, they told them to take a vacation in Gensokyo and attend Primsriver + Raiko concert. Little did they know, that their daughters already hatched a plan for having their own fun in Gensokyo.

>HSiFS
Shinra Myoujin (新羅明神) - The Mysterious Deity of Miidera Temple and the main rival of Matarajin/Okina. Not wanting to lose his status as Secret God, he goaded and challenged Okina to reveal herself on Gensokyo in order to win a bet between them.

[Anonymyon No.]

>>18586783
It is nice to see the connections of mythological and historical figures to the ones we already know. But gtfo with making all incidents someone else's fault. Not everything needs a secret puppet master, and when it does, it becomes evident on its own. Such as the cases of Yukari, Seiga, Seija, and Sagume.

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>>18494574

It's mostly a process of elimination. Kuzunoha is a shrine kami and thus no longer in the youkai category, which Ran is. Da Ji is actually the same (evil) fox spirit as Tamamo according to folklore, as Japanese folklore have a tendency to write fan-sequels to Chinese original ones, who fled the body of the concubine to Japan.

Also, while tales of random kitsune like the Marisa impersonator are fairly common, nine-tailed ones are surprisingly hard to find, and Tamamo-no-Mae's ending (being hunted down and killed) is the only one about a nine-tails I could find that would enable Yukari, who is powerful but has limits, to persuade/press-gang one into servitude or perform pic-related.

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>>18494574
It's a process of elimination. Tales about fox spirits are common, but nine-tailed foxes are actually pretty hard to find in folklore. Kuzunoha has already transcended youkai-dom into a god, which Ran isn't, and Da Ji is both Chinese and died about 3000 years before either Yukari or Ran were first mentioned, not to mention having been sentenced to hell by a creator god on par if not stronger than Gensokyo's Dragon: Nuwa. Although, the painter Hokusai remixed together Daji, the Indian rakhasa Kalmashapada, and Tamamo-no-Mae into one spirit that hopped between bodies until finally being put down in her Japanese incarnation.

Most importantly, nine-tailed foxes don't go down easy in Japanese folklore, and only Tamamo-no-Mae, to my knowledge, got in a position (hunted down and arrow-ed) where somebody like Yukari, who is strong but not enough to enslave gods, could have feasibly press-ganged or pic-related a nine-tailed fox.

[Anonymous No.]

Why was Chang'e given the hourai elixir and then immediately imprisoned for it? Furthermore, why didn't the Lunar Capital just give Chang'e to Heca and Junko? Don't they all hate her?

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>>18453841
>destroy the universe itself
That is a change too.

All explanations of shit in Touhou are exaggerated as shit and should never ever be taken at something remotely close to face value.

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>>18578355
>Wind God
She wasn't originally though. She basically just changed professions, so not like it really matters.

Also, cute tadpole.

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>>18586783
>monkey-like youkai like Satori

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>>18593734
>It's a process of elimination
No its not, since there is no evidence for it at all; no mention of the hunting, stone, or poisonous gas.. Not everything has to be based on some specific figure.

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>>18596374
Oh, do you prefer to be called Sasquatch then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18586783
>Vlad Tepes III Draculesti/Count Dracula - Responsible for turning the Scarlet sisters into vampire.
>She swears that she is a descendant of Tepes, but nobody is certain whether she is truly related to the Vlad "Dracula" Tepes.
>Well, in fact, she is not.
Uhh...

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>>18586783
>only to get murdered accidentally by Seija
Was it different in Touhou than in the original tale? Because I recall that the amanojaku kidnapped, devoured and then used her flayed skin to impersonate her. That doesn't sound like accidental murder to me.

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>>18598320
Related only by bite, not by genes.

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>>18598373
>nobody is certain whether she is truly related to the Vlad "Dracula" Tepes.
>Well, in fact, she is not.
To me, the "truly related" tells me that there's no connection between Tepes and the sisters.

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>>18593734
You're seeing things where there aren't.

>>18596123
Drinking the elixir gives you infinite impurity with your now infinite lifespan. Being Lunarian that's a huge crime.
For the other part, it's implied it has something to do with the moon rabbit workforce and Chang'e being the one who has dominion over them.

[Anonymous No.]

Probably coincidental but seems fun to mention there may be another layer to Utsuho's concept other than simply being a living shrine for Yatagarasu.

In her spellcard a image of Chernobyl shows up, as it stands there is a urban myth directly connected with the event known as the Black Bird of Chernobyl. Supposedly there were multiple reports prior to the disaster where a crow like humanoid with large black wings and red eyes appeared before many victims and all of these ceased after the Chernobyl explosion. As it stood later on many locals would eventually come to regard the being as some kind of avatar or omen of the nuclear disaster. This was also accompanied by many disturbing events and threatening phonecalls seemingly from nobody, which probably weren't from Koishi.

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>>18598578
This seems like a very specific "urban myth"

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>>18598373
>>18598397
The original text is just "descendant", "descended from" (unless you want to argue it's wordplay), but regardless to then propose she was bitten by him instead for no real reason is incredibly dumb. The whole point of that blurb is just to show that Remilia likes to boast and lie about things that make her sound cool. Tepes himself is completely irrelevant.

[Anonymous No.]

A bit of fun trivia about Sagume's origin.

In the single one myth Amenosagume is featured in most have mentioned that they got freaked out by a divine messenger bird sent by Amaterasu on the advice of Omoikane and urged Amewakahiko to shoot it. However being a divine messenger bird and the arrow being of the same it instead turned back on Amewakahiko killing him. Along with being the originator of all Amanojaku it is easy to see how it inspired her design and gimmick of the world turning against her words.

Now the slight fun bit of trivia is more of a linguistic one that birds & rabbits share the same numeric counter suffixes and japanese even tends to refer to groups of rabbits as 'flocks' instead of 'colony'.

Evidently this linguistic tick has many origins but in one story from the same origin as the Amenosagume story about Emperor Temmu. It was said that he issued a Imperial edict that forbade the consumption of meat & fish due to Buddhist teachings. However due to the wording of this ban it basically overlooked birds.

Now people who really liked their meat through some impressive mental gymnastics figured that since cormorants and herons are okay, rabbits are also birds and good to eat. The significance of this is when you say comorant & heron together quickly it becomes a pun spelling out 'u + sagi'.

When you put it into the context of LoLK, and you realize Sagume's wing is pretty unmistakeably a Heron's wing. Sagume (sagi) ends up facing Reisen (usagi) who is the messenger bird sent by Omoikane/Eirin resulting in Sagume's attack getting turned against her.

Seriously that fucking ZUN.

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>>18601922
Hisona actually made a doujin about this.

https://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/13192
https://danbooru.donmai.us/pools/13316

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>>18601922
>>18603675
So Seija is an incarnation of Amewakahiko?

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>>18598360
It's a different Amanojaku maybe

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>>18615933
That's why I think that there's no relationship between Seija and the Urikohime.

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Test

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How old is Okina? Matarajin was introduced to Japan somewhere around the year 800, but it says that she came from China originally.

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>>18586783
>Sanuki no Miyatsuko
How and where do you get this name? If I recalled correctly, the tale only refers him as Bamboo Cutter Old Man

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>>18623679
Probably at least 1800 years old. Buddhism also arise during Han dynasty at that time.

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Is Lunarian impurity entropy?
One could argue that's the reason Lunarians reject change and death, as life itself produces small amounts of entropy by merely being eating, growing and so on; produces much more entropy by competing against other lifeforms and a lot when the organism dies, rotting. Keep in mind death also ignites a resource race for the all the surrounding life.
These last points are important, because in the best case scenario for 90% of the free, known organisms (eg. not parasites), if you aren't competing for food and space, the growth, be it for a single organism or a community, shouldn't ever stop. The best example for this are bacteria with their exponential growth, limited only by the reasons cited before.
Counterpoint is: in this best case scenario life would still produce entropy, innately starting the survival race.

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>>18636380
Crimes against nature. They want to mess with the balance of life and death. Purge those unholy who falsely claims to be holy.

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>>18636380

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>>18636567
This. Anomalies must be eliminated at all cost lest the universe became unstable

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>>18636380
The concept of Shinto purity and impurity is a matter of ritual. The default state of all things is impure, even if they are not changing or alive, and ritual is needed to make them acceptable to the gods. But there are things, such as dead bodies, that will never be acceptable to the gods.
To maintain a civilization of purity, for and with the gods, they had to go to someplace considered "pure" in myth to do so. This ended up being the Moon.
That they then ended up going all Anti-Spiral about it is just due to being assholes, as gods tend to be.

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>>18644767
So anything negative is consindered impure? Like emotion of hatred or jealousy?

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>>18647215
no

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>>18586636
I thought Kanako was Takeminakata

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>>18649798
She is. She's mostly inspired as Takeminakata but takes other cues from related figures, the obvious one being Yasakatome.

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bump

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>>18647397
So what's the categorization for impurity?

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Bump

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>>18655462
Anything that isn't from the moon.

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>>18668576
What about Netherworld?

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>>18668576
>>18668713
And Higan too

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>>18655462
Existence is impurity. The moon is a lesser impurity than earth. But earth got silly-funnies.

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>>18520129
>One of the two wives of Di Jun
But her husband is not Di Jun though

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>>18611083
No, more like a separated part of her gained sentience and become an Amanojaku on it's own

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>>18636567
>Crimes against nature. They want to mess with the balance of life and death.
Said human

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>PC98
>The Forgotten Classic

>Windows 1st Gen
>Introduction to Gensokyo and Unnatural Weather (Red Mist, Missing Spring, Unending Clear Night, and Outburst Blooming)

>Windows 2nd Gen
>Moriya Shrine Conspiracy and Religion War

>Windows 3rd Gen
>Gensokyo Uprising and Lunarian Invasion

What's next for 4th Gen?

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>>18700599
A bigass mountain, old 2hus gaining new forms and everything being slow as fuck. Also God in 2hu form.

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>>18702275
>Also God in 2hu form
But that's already Okina, she's the god behind EVERYTHING. That it's what God is, right?

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>>18703901
Okina is a dilbert.

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>>18703901
Okina is anyhing but a good girl.