DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1889

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This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, Japanese video games, etc.

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Previous Thread >>18415205

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Remember to do your reps.

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>>18430771
there is alrready a thread that was made earlier

>>18430742

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>>18430783
kys

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No clue which is the real thread.

Arguelles' shadowing technique:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VdheWK7u11w

Does it work? I just want to sound like a native without wasting my time. I can't tell how well it works by Arguelles' video, since I have no idea how long he's been studying Mandarin

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1. Don't make a new thread if the old one is still alive. Even on page 10, threads can survive for quite a while on this board.

2. Before making a new thread, check the catalog first to make sure nobody else has already made one.

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>>18430817
you can tell this sakubiturd, he made the thread way too early just so he can force his shit opinions onto other people

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>>18430833
I think it's probably just a troll this time. Anyway janitor-san can clean up both of these threads for us.

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まじかよスレが二つあるやん
おめえら何すんねん、ちゃんとせよ

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>>18430880
Cringiest kansai dialect immitation I've seen in a while

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What is the recommended J-J dictionary for relative beginners?

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A reminder that the sooner you give up, the less time you waste.

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>>18430886
クリンジつう言葉は前々から意味など失ったけどな
つうかエセならおめえがより良くせよ

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>>18430887
Daijirin is a good one with straightforward definitions. It comes with pitch accent info too.

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based janny deleting the thread that was made before this one

thanks for your wonderful work 4chan team!

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>>18430908
That looks good.
Do you know how it compares with Meikyou? I have been using that for some time but it just seems to be missing a lot of entries that are in JMdict so I've been thinking about switching to something more expansive.

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>>18430917
www.gally.net/translation/kokugo.htm

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>>18430948
Looking through these Kōjien seems to be the one with the most entries and the one most up-to-date as it was last updated January 12, 2018. Is that any good? This piece seems to be kind of outdated anyway and doesn't talk about the newest releases of the dictionaries.

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>>18430978
I personally wouldn't use anything without pitch accent info which Meikyou and Kojien seem to be missing.

This is Daijirin, Meikyou, Kojien, from the CoR.
I can see what that website is saying about Kojien and its priority of ordering definitions, I don't think I'd use it as a learner.

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>>18431021
A lot of words have audio from which it's possible to tell pitch accent, though I don't worry about it too much as I don't plan on ever speaking Japanese anyway (or even aiming to talk like a native). My main concern is the quality of the entries and while I like the Meikyo definitions the best it seems to be bit barebones compared to the other dictionaries. I'm thinking I'll just continue using it on conjunction with JMdict.

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>>18431057
Google will cover everything when it comes down to it anyway.

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かわいい関西弁

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可愛い1位は博多弁

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>Download scanlation
>Good scan in high resolution, encoded properly for minimal jpeg artifacting
>Download raw
>Horrible scan, 600x400px resolution (seeming upscaled from ~32x20px), image is just a large jpeg artifact
Why can't the japs pirate properly?

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>>18431581
I have no fucking clue. I scanned manga with my cheapass 2-in-1 printer/scanner before and the quality was significantly better than most Japanese raws. It's almost like they're trying to be incompetent.

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>>18431581
>>18431594
I think you're both just retarded and unable to find good raws not because there aren't any, but because of your lack of intelligence.

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>>18431581
*processes browser screenshots of manga in an online reader with waifu2x before spreading to every raw site in existence*
Pshh... nothing personnel... kid...

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>>18431581
I think they just have no standards. I mean, how come nobody is making a fuss about these atrocious "digital" releases? Not only the images are tiny but also nuked out of details and artifacted to shit. Often they can't even level them for fucks sake.
Is this because of their retarded culture? Buy the physical book or suffer with deliberately gimped version?

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>>18431761
>atrocious "digital" releases
Like this?

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>>18431773
or this?

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>>18431779
or this?

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>>18431796
or this?

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>>18431802
or this?

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I prefer the artifacts, I don't think I can enjoy art anymore unless it's been saved as a low quality jpeg several times over in photoshop

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>>18431822
Upscaled mosquito noise, delicious.

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>>18431815
or this?

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AJATT

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>>18431815
>>18431835
Do you recommend either of these manga?
They look nice.

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>>18430904

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>>18431761
complaining about pirated copies

why don't you just buy the original? fucking retard

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>>18432077
I'm complaining about the legal option you genius.
If sensible digital raws were available to buy I would consider getting them, but as it stands right now you must be a fucking masochist to pay for that trash.

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>>18432077
Japan does everythnig in their power to make it as inconvenient as possible for gaijin such as myself to buy their digital versions, and paying to import physical copies is retard expensive, if the thing you want is still even in print. And if its out of print: the publisher isn't getting your money anyway, and Japan's used book market is entirely filled with volumes that have seemingly been stored in a toilet in active use.

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>>18432097
>>18432178
gaijin got it coming; just move to japan or buy it when you go there nerd

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>reading manga
What the fuck.

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>>18432338
>"""""""reading""""""" manga

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>>18432328
>move to japan
Why would anyone in their right mind want to live in Japan?

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>>18432394
Because of this >>18432178

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>>18432394
One of the safes countries in the world, currently open for foreign labour, fairly westernised... Don't pretend like there aren't any reasons.

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>>18432394
Because africans and middle easterners are flooding our countries.

t.german.

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>>18432428
>One of the safes countries in the world,
I already live in one of the safest countries in the world, thanks. I think my country outranks Japan, actually.
>currently open for foreign labour,
Yes but then you have to work in Japan's frankly insane work culture.
>fairly westernised
Moving from a fully western country to a "fairly westernized" one seems like a downgrade.

Only reason to move to Japan is if you live in a shithole desu.

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>>18432394
>why would someone move to the second best country in the world?

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>>18432511
Why are Europeans afraid of work?

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>>18432540
Not European, and you don't have to be "afraid of work" to acknowledge how fucked Japan's work culture is. That's not to say it isn't without its benefits, but the negatives honestly far outweigh them.

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>>18432540
Probably because work fucking sucks.

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Looking thru DJT Library for a manga for my Kindle, but they seem to be all .jpg? Is that the usual format for manga? I read that they can be read in mobi as well, but can't find any.
>とつくにの少女第1巻
looks very nice but it's in .jpg too.

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>>18432571
>Is that the usual format for manga?
Yes.

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>>18432559
I suppose it's true that Japan does have a fairly low average salary and productivity compared to its work hours, but that doesn't make it have an insane work culture.

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>>18432591
There's more to a work culture than just raw hours worked statistics and salaries my man.

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Should I use 「ところ」or 「所」? I've been using the kanji but I've noticed that a lot of people just use hiragana.

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>>18432571
I've never seen OCR'ed manga.
Even Light Novels are very often in image file format.

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>>18432591
Don't forget the obligatory time wasting sessions of having to go out drinking with your boss.
Also overtime in Japan is often unpaid and undocumented.

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>>18432571
Sorry to say but e-ink readers are kind of terrible for manga, anon. A cheap ~6 inch Android tablet is really the best option as far as reading manga on a portable digital device goes.

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>Open a YT vlog
>今日はね

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>>18432720
You can use kanji when you're using it as a noun to actually mean "place"

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>>18432796

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I'm looking for a nice place to find manga raws, do you guys know any? I've been importing manga from JP and that's all nice and dandy but I'd like to broaden my reading horizon and my wallet is not infinite unfortunately. I know how to get translated manga since there's a bajillion websites out there, but as for raws... I can't find much.

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>>18432844
nyaa
mokuroku.neocities.org
googling "[japanese title] + zip" and hoping for the best

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>>18432852
Thanks!

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>>18432844
Unrelated but this exact image has been reposted across 4chan 148 times since the 19th of September, last year.
worst idol

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>>18432975

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I've been reading 少女終末旅行 and there is a sentence that I understand but I can't quite translate properly. I get the general meaning but if someone could explain exactly what it means it'd be nice.

ユー wants to eat some food and goes 早くこれを食べたい！, チート responds to her: 勝手に食べるなよ。。。
What does 勝手 exactly mean in this context? What does her response really mean? I'm a bit confused.

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>>1843285
ｎｙａａずっとまえに

いっかいおわったんだけど

いまのだいじょうぶ？

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>>18433030
>You need to show some restraint, biotch. Enryou yo'self.
このぐらいと思う

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>>18433043
なぜ漢字でつくない？平仮名は難しく読むです

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>>18433050
そうか。。。どうも

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>>18433063
自閉症児ふり

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Should I be concerned that my brain can't process Romaji? For example, I don't understand titles written in it, but when I convert it to Hiragana, Katakana or Kanji, I understand it.

To give a quick example, I didn't understand what 'konya dake' was until I wrote it as 今夜　だけ.

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>>18433128
You have autism

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>>18433128
maybe because you're actually seeing kanji through their meaning and not as words. romaji is not japanese, and besides, there are many words with the same sounds in japanese. Romaji is trash and it's actually harder.

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>>18433128
That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard

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Does Yomichan not deconjugate for certain dictionaries for anyone else?
JMdict works fine, but if I want to search something in Kenkyuusha is has to be unconjugated which seems kind of flawed.

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できる

っておおきなこえで１０かいいえ

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>>18432428
>currently open for foreign labour
What?

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>tfw work for a huge international company
>tfw one of our branches is in Tokyo and they have several job openings that fit my qualifications

s-s-should I go f-f-for it?

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>>18433222
迷惑行為推奨してんじゃねえ

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https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/7yi9zj/i_finished_hiragana/

congrats

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>>18433266
jesus christ, 2.5 years for fucking hiragana

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>>18433266
going to reddit for specific subs such as the japanese is ok, but bringing something totally irrelevant to /jp/ like a /pol/tard brings shit from social networks of people saying what he doesn't like? go back there

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>>18433266
It's probably trolling.
If you learned 1(one) hiragana per WEEK you would finish in less than 2 years.

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>>18433266
Reddit is likely simply more open to people with mental disorders. And the people there are nice because they know it's no use telling a legitimate retard they are being retarded because they simply can't help it.

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Have the anki deck as suggested in the guide. Kinda want to add a production deck as well. Is it worth the trouble?

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>>18431835
or this?

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>>18433446
Only if you want to be able to hand write.

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>>18433266
wtf? i thought all redditors, ledditors, plebbitors and retardditors have had 200+ iq since a few years ago when richard and mortimer was gifted by the alien meme illuminati to humanity... strange.

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how often is katakana used nowadays? I've been reading that its "around 10%" from individuals, but when I visit japanese sites I see almost entirely katakana instead.
I've just recently memorized most of hiragana but I feel like I would have been better off just learning katakana first for reading and writing purposes from what I've gathered so far.

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>>18433514
I don't know.

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>>18433238
Do you want to be unhappy and ruin the lovely illusion of Japan as a paradise?

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>>18433514
>how often is katakana used nowadays?
how often is capitalization used
how long is a piece of string

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>>18433514
Well, think of it this way. It's used less often than hiragana, however it's used often enough that almost every nontrivial piece of text is going to contain katakana. You can expect to see it used once every few sentences.
Of course some places like video games or some websites are going to have more than average katakana.

In the end, it doesn't matter. You're overthinking the importance of which order you learn the first 0.1% of the language.

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>>18433534
I figured it was less of an abstract question than that. Why, for example, would shops and restaurants choose to use katakana over hiragana for native words?

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>>18433554
Why would a restaurant in the west have a fancy French name?

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>>18433572
fair point

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>>18433554
my business ends with understanding the words and grammar
the thought processes of natives and their motives(just look at imouto in these threads) are several layers below neurotic that even to begin unwrapping requires yourself to be partially unhinged as well.

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>>18433595
you're going to learn both anyway so why does it matter

>>18433238
go for it. if it turns out shit, I'm assuming you could relocate again if needed. if you're here you'd probably regret it if you never took the opportunity

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>>18433446
handwriting is not very useful. but i look up stroke order and write out new words, and rewrite them when i fail personally. you might enjoy that at least

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do y'all tend to fail cards if you read a card as the passive when it's not supposed to be? like 直す vs 直る for example. they're pretty consistent but sometimes i just glance and answer without dwelling long enough to realize my mistake

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>>18433452
ひめゴト doesn't have an ebook version released yet, meaning that isn't a legitimate digital version. In fact, it is being published by 白泉社 on amazon and rakuten on the 20th of this month. As in tomorrow.
It's right on their website: https://www.hakusensha-e.net/upcoming
Why would you use a low quality rip of the 一迅社 published print edition copy as an example of a poor quality ebook version? That's so fucking dishonest.

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>>18433653
No, because you would be able to tell in context. It's not like we need to produce sentences right away.

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>>18433514
>I feel like I would have been better off just learning katakana first
This is ridiculous. It's still the minority. All you've found is that you probably shouldn't skip it before working on real words with kanji. You're obsessing over the first few hours of thousands of hours of your study. Just learn Japanese.

>>18433554
>>18433572
It's also used for emphasis, because Japanese doesn't use italics.

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>>18433706
I feel you. Thanks for the insight

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Some anon in last thread was kind enough to give me good reading material for beginners.
http://www.aozora.gr.jp/cards/000121/files/4253_10259.html
I'm just wondering if there is an english translation of it somewhere so upon finishing it I can see exactly what things I got wrong.

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>>18433670
good point. i usually don't but did once or twice when it was a repeat problem

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>>18433843
I don't know about that specific one, but some of the Advanced or Upper Intermediate Japanese Pod 101 lessons we have in the CoR have 昔話 of similar difficulty so with that you'll get audio and a transcription both in Japanese and English. Unfortunately there are tons of lessons and it's been over a year since I've had them on my phone so I won't be able to help you find them.

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Should I be worrying about remembering kanji sounds in the beginning or I can let that pass and focus on that after I can actually read things fine? I almost never rmemeber kanji sounds on anki, mostly the meaning. Be aware that I wish to be able to speak and hear it later as well, just want to know if I will have problems with this or if it's simple to memorize sounds later.

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Sorry I meant is it effective to reverse the core deck from English to Japanese

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>>18433843
How long have you been at it? I can't understand shit of it. Have been at it for six months but I'm pretty sure I haven't taken it seriously for the past 4 months until now.

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>>18433981
Yes you need to worry about it in the beginning -- you don't want to create bad habits. It will get a lot easier as you learn more and grow more familiar with the common readings though such that reading won't always be as hard as it is right now. Just stick with it.
>>18433992
No -- because there are tons of potential correct answers? Why are you trying to produce if you're still using core? (Don't answer that)

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>>18433981
You should remember the pronunciation (sounds) of words. Do not remember pronunciations of individual kanji, if the individual kanji isn't a word that you're learning.

Otherwise you won't be able to sound out words in your head when reading which I imagine is pretty bad. But I don't know, maybe this idea is possible. It just sounds bad or at least very strange to me.

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>>18434007
It's a pain to remind the month days. I know standard numbers but it's totally different when you attach 日 to it.

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>>18433992
Holy shit, you might just have solved the problem people have and why they are unable to learn japanese!

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うめがまんかいだよ

おにいちゃん

うめみにいこう

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>>18434031
fuck off you're noisy and annoying

EVERY thread you come up with your sentences that look like they were written by a literal child calling us お兄ちゃん

just fuck off already you're annoying

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>>18434015
I feel you on that one. Try suspending all but one of them until it becomes mature and then un-suspend another one.
What's up with all the captchas? I just had to solve like ten in a row to post. I'm done for the day. Oh wow... and then, even after getting a green check mark, it gave me that error about mistyping it. Great.

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>>18434003
a little over a month
>This tiny child story just to test your might.
Now I see what he meant by 'test your might'
>>18433974
I will check them out.

>>18433974
I will check it out.

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>>18434068
It's bedtime for me btw lol

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>>18434072
this but unironically.... haha....

good night /qa/

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>>18434044
>Telling one of the only people in this thread speaking Japanese to fuck off
Well someone's mad because they're unable to learn this language.

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>>18434136

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>>18434044
imouto is the only person who adds japanese to the daily JAPANESE thread. why are you complaining?

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>>18434163
fuck off back to discord with your namefigs

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>>18434186
how do I fuck off to things I don't use?

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>>18434195
you lie on the internet

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>>18432178
>>18432097
Are you guys talking about Kindle? I've noticed that I can't buy digital editions on Japanese amazon. Am I supposed to use a Japanese account with a VPN or maybe a different store?

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今までほとんど唯一日本語で書き込んでくれるが
童子みたいな文章しか書けないキチガイだってことは
このスレの情勢を語っていると思う

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>>18434199
you also lie on the internet. what is your point?

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How do I stop feeling as though i'm not learning from reading? I've been doing it about 2 weeks now, but it hardly feels any easier than the first few days

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>>18434256
>2 weeks
You've never properly learned anything outside of school have you?

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>>18434252
i never lied on the internet

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>>18434256
Read

more

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>>18434256
You should notice a drastic difference within a month of reading for hours a day as a beginner. Of course you will still be very, very shit, but the progress will be obvious.

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>>18434256
Aren't you reading at least hiragana faster than two weeks ago?

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>>18434218
All you need is a fake japanese address.

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>>18434299
You mean a shipping address? All right, I'll try it

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>>18434294
Why would it matter how fast he reads?

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我が生涯

一片の悔い無し

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>>18434346
Why ask stupid questions?

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>>18434402
あるでしょ

くろれきしとかちゅうにとか

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>>18434402
ティッシュをポケットにいれたまま

せんたくしちゃったとか

といれしたあと

ながすのわすれちゃったとか

あるでしょ

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>>18434256
The answer is always read more. Read every day. Read every chance you get. Stop playing games that aren't in Japanese and surfing non-Japanese websites. Read more.

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>>18434031
>うめみにいこう
いいよ
そのかわり, 販売機でコーヒーを買ってくれない

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>>18434718
that seems a bit excessive, is reading 1-2 hours a day enough?

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>>18434778
You're setting your own goals here

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>>18434778
Yes, but you have to make it consistent. Set a certain goal, preferably daily, and stick to it all the time. No matter how tired you feel or how motivated you think you are at the time, you have to do that 1 or 2 hours of reading at the minimum. Every single day.

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>>18434778
Sure, if you don't mind waiting 3-5 years until you get good.

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>>18434796
This is some legit advice right here. It's so easy to do nothing once you let yourself slip once.
鎖を切るな！

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>>18434778
I started out like that and gradually increased it as reading got easier and more fun. Once you're good enough to procrastinate in Japanese you're set.

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What deck(s) should I download for Anki? I'm just starting out, any tips?

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>>18434832
Not everyone is underage and has free time to read manga the whole day.

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>>18434843
>1 hour
>the whole day

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>>18434847
You are retarded, you are quoting nobody and you should kill yourself.

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>>18434775
コーヒーにがい

コンポタがいい

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>>18434842
Yeah, dude, I would recommend the JewLUP decks. :)
Honestly, I think you should just go with a mining deck and skip core. Of course, read a grammar guide like TaeKim per the guide.

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>>18434867
faggot

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>>18434778
Consistency is more important than hours per day. If you do 4+ hours a day but take days off or get burnt out and quit for a month, it's not as effective as 1-2 hours every single day.
More time helps, and 30 minutes or less would be questionable, but consistency above all else.

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>>18434905
how many time does it take with 1hour a day

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>>18434910
2 year competent, 5 year fluent, 10 year native, 20 year transcendent

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>>18434858
まさか、これ販売機で売ってるんですか

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>>18434787
>>18434796
>>18434807
>>18434832
>>18434905
alright, i'll change my goals
read every day, 1 hour minimum but as much as I can stand to read, whether its 1 hour or all night

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日常自販機

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>>18434994
ないの？

あたしのちほうはある

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>>18432844
I've dabbled in learning moon a few times. I had the raws reference sheet bookmarked from the scanlation thread years ago. I went to it today. Looks like it is very out of date. Some sites still work.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GmJyThSbjU_XI6_z9LZXWLeV2v2at5j64_s5D-HJhfI/edit

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Why do I sometimes see japs put accents on characters that aren't shown as having accents anywhere in the guides?

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>>18435241
゛ on characters like あ゛ indicates that it is "throaty", like a yell, unless I've misunderstood you.

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>>18435241

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>>18435261
Dakuten on vowels in manga = emphasis/exclamation

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>>18435261
>>18435262
>>18435272
It wasn't in a manga, but I suppose that must have been it. Thanks!

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>>18435272
emphasis/exclamation through it being voiced differently, if you are contradicting my post the burden of proof is on you.

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>>18435262

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>>18430788
Don't know if you're still around anon, but the answer is yes. It builds muscle memory. People think you need to know the word and that's it but you also have to practice saying it while walking around so it becomes second nature even while doing something else.

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>>18435296
It was meant as an addition not a contradiction. I quoted the wrong post.

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>>18434937
>fluent in 1800
Only in your dreams. That has to be at least 4000, 1800 is barely n1 level if study extremely efficiently.

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>>18435272
it's just a hoarse or really dirty sound

If you really want to fuck around you can pull out all the stops like in this piece of art right here

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435326
Are those up and down arrows for intonation? and how the fuck would you even voice the first two characters? WTF is going on here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435324
it was a shitty response to a shitty post, fluency is not well defined and number of hours depends heavily on how efficient your reading actually is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18434256
Why should if you just read? Use your reading material as a source of mining words and raising comprehension level of japanese overall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435335
You can't get near fluency by any definition after 1800 hours of japanese. For example it's just 45 works of pure reading if it takes for you 40 hours to complete each. I have read around that many properly (not just reading) but I can't call myself fluent even in readings because it requires reading anything an average native can do without using a dictionary, not to mention speaking and listening. But if you add learning words, grammar and listening to this it should take you at least x3 this number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435334
You'd probably start by getting wasted and tying a tourniquet around your throat

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJinxt-wui0

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435375
Holy shit. Is she supposed to be Kizuna's rival or something? I'll stick with regular speech. Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

For the love of me I can never wrap my head about Causative and Passive verbs even after reading Tae Kim over and over again. Can someone explain the concept and how to use them plainly for an autistic mouthbreather like me?

[Anonymous No.]

Here's an idea:

What if instead of using regular characters as particles, you made just a handful of extra symbols like normal people?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435413
Punctuation makes too much sense. Pronouns make sense also, but they don't use those either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435413
What the fuck are you talking about? Why would anyone want that? What happens in casual speech, furigana on fucking particles?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435440
I don't see how that affects anything.

[Anonymous No.]

I close my eyes and all I see are kanji. Oh god, someone help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435446
For example, じゃ.

[Anonymous No.]

>The topic particle while written as 「は」, is pronounced 「わ」.
Why is this a thing? If it's pronounced wa, why not just write わ? Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435466
I don't get the issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435401
I thought tae kim was pretty simple

What don't you get?
置く put
置かれる be put
受話器を置く (someone) puts down (hangs up) the phone
受話器が置かれる the phone is put down (hung up)

causative is harder because you have to deal with を and に and all that shit
買う buy
買わせる make or let (someone) buy
子供にコンビニ弁当を買わせる make child buy convenience store lunch

走らせる make someone/thing run
車を走らせる make car run (drive car)

you can combine them like ～させられる
させる make someone do (an action)
させられる be made to do
お母さんに宿題をさせられる be made to do homework by mom

>>18435413
do you know how many particles there are
look up 助詞 on japanese wikipedia
why would you want them to be kanji
it's not even remotely hard to distinguish them

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435484
>do you know how many particles there are

Yeah, that's why I wish they were more distinct.

>it's not even remotely hard to distinguish them

It is when your vocabulary isn't extensive.

[Anonymous No.]

>現金

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435484
金をだせ、ガキ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435480
Plenty of words used to have kana like that because kana had never been updated according to pronunciation changes. When they modernized it in 1946 so all words were spelled phonetically, they decided to keep the particles in their old kana forms.

So は へ を are still pronounced わ　え　お when they are particles.

This is probably less confusing to read than if they were spelled phonetically too

>>18435510
maybe it's not piss easy like it is for natives and people who have been studying for over 5 months but even like 1 week into reading I don't think parsing particles from a sentence comes close to being the most challenging thing about the language

it's a nonexistent situation that you run into a bunch of hiragana words and particles like that where it actually gets confusing

does it even get worse than this yotsuba image

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435484
Your explanation of passive verbs actually helped a lot. Thankie
Causative still fucks me over though.
In the 買わせる example, how do you differentiate between to make or to let (someone) buy ? Because they mean different things in English.
As for 子供にコンビニ弁当を買わせる , what the fuck is に doing there ???? Isn't に for indicating the location of a person, thing or to indicate the location of a short-term action ?
To my understanding コンビニ弁当を買わせる makes a bit of sense to me but 子供に doesn't.
車を走らせる -> It kinda makes sense to me, but is there another way of expressing that without using causative ?
I can't understand the combination fully because of causative but thanks you for taking the time to explain it to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435483
The issue is that you either give up distinguishing different ways of saying the same thing (which Japan doesn't seem keen on doing based on how they write), or you have countless different symbols to distinguish じゃ from では and だ from わ and the countless other bullshit dialectal or slang bullshit constructs out there.

>>18435510
>It is when your vocabulary isn't extensive.
Making changes to a language targeted at people who don't know the language is an awfully shit idea, and they are likely to be shitty changes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435572
男はいっつも勝手なことを言う
Looks simple enough, though I didn't know 勝手 and that ゆう is kinda confusing, is this supposed to sound childish or something?

[Anonymous No.]

I don't get Example 5 at the end of this article: http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/nounparticles#The_particle_as_explanation
I understand the examples before it, but example 5 has me completely stumped.
How the fuck does 「朝ご飯を食べるんじゃなかった。」 translate to "Should not have eaten breakfast, you know."?
Shouldn't it translate to "Didn't you eat breakfast?" or something similar?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435597
>what the fuck is に doing there
Looks you missed some lessons

[Anonymous No.]

>以下百名はただ今陸軍女子幼年学校に入校を命ぜられました。
What the hell is she saying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435632
ん is short for の. It's also short for some other things so you're in for a ride
The sentence basically says "Breakfast was not to be eaten"

[Anonymous No.]

>波動拳
幻滅した

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435614
All hiragana and 言う written as 「ゆう」 make this line childish, but using 勝手 and いっつも (not いつも) do not really make (いっつも sound s informal, 勝手 can be used in formal conversation) .

FYI As to ゆう：
「正書法 orthography について」（国語審議会報告、昭和31年7月5日 National Language Council report, July 5, 1951）に、次のように書かれています。

「現代かなづかいmodern kanadukai」では、連濁 rendaku・連呼の書き方、助詞 particle の「は」「へ」「を」の書き方、オ列長音 chou-on をめぐる「おう」「おお」の書き方、「言う」の書き方など、必ずしも表音的ではない they are not necessarily phonetic (= writings can be different from pronunciations) 。

[Anonymous No.]

where's spice and wolf on the difficulty spectrum

new and a goal of mine to read them

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435639
>稲石貢以下百名 (one hundred persons including 稲石貢)は、
ただ今 (just now)
陸軍女子幼年学校に　入校を
命ぜられました。(命ずる order to do -> 命ぜられる -> 命ぜられました)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435680
>ん is short for の
I know, I read the article after all.
The thing I don't get is that the article explains の in this context as an explanatory particle, but this example seems to be a completely different use of the particle, I can't see at all how it translates to what it apparently translates to.

朝ご飯を食べる - eat breakfast
ん (の) - explanatory particle, providing or seeking explanation
じゃなかった - did not

literally "eat breakfast, did not", so why does the "did not" turn into "should not have" and what purpose does の have in there? because it doesn't seem to be providing or seeking any kind of explanation in either translations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435597
>how do you differentiate between to make or to let (someone) buy ?
Context
like 触らせてください is asking someone to let you touch something

>what the fuck is に doing there ???? Isn't に for indicating the location of a person, thing or to indicate the location of a short-term action ?
に can do a hell of a lot
Here it's showing the indirect object of the action
The action is :
コンビニ弁当を買う to buy a conbini bento
Made causative:
コンビニ弁当を買わせる to make someone buy a conbini bento
You are performing the action of "to make someone buy a conbini bento" ON the indirect object indicated by に
I think that's a good way to think about it

>車を走らせる -> It kinda makes sense to me, but is there another way of expressing that without using causative ?
Like 運転する?

>>18435706
Intermediate

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435732
じゃなかった does not mean "did not"
It's not a auxiliary verb to make something past tense

What's going on here is の is nominalizing the clause before it and じゃなかった is negating it, but in past tense so it's just the speaker being remorseful about something that could have been done differently, saying I shouldn't have eaten breakfast

If it's in present tense like 朝ごはんを食べるんじゃない！
then it would be taken as a strong warning or imperative to not eat breakfast

I'm sure you've heard it in anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435597
「に」 has lots functions.
https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/166083/meaning/m0u/
６ 動作・作用の行われる対象・相手を表す。
(indicates the target / counterpart of action / effect.)
「人によくかみつく犬」「友人に伝える」

>how do you differentiate between to make or to let
In Japanese such distinction is not clear. If you want, though not literal translations,
[make] コンビニ弁当を買うように言う / 買うように命じる or so
[let] コンビニ弁当を買うことを許す / 買っても良いと言う or so

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435732
>じゃなかった - did not
Wrong. It's a state of being

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435740
My vocabulary and reading comprehension is not terrible but my grammar is shaky at best. Tae Kim , for some reason, is not working out for me. Should I just be a good goy and just buy a grammar book ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435775
why do you think a grammar book would be any better
try this
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435720
I see. Didn't know 以下 could be used like that.
Thanks anon.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435782
>>18435768
>>18435740
>>18435637
>>18435484
Thank you anons for not bullying and genuinely helping an autist like me.

[Anonymous No.]

So does こそ basically function as the verbal equivalent of typing something in bold? Any other words like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435706
>spice and wolf
quotation from the first part, "(...)" shows
how furigana are actually attached :
　この村では、見事に実った麦穂（むぎほ）が風に揺られることを狼（オオカミ）が走るという。
　風に揺られる様子が、麦畑の中を狼が走っているように見えるからだ。
　また、風が強すぎて麦穂が倒れることを狼に踏まれたといい、不作の時は狼に食われたという。
　上手（うま）い表現だが、迷惑なものもあるのが玉に瑕（きず）だな、と思った。
　しかし、今となってはちょっとした洒落（しゃれ）た言い方になっているだけで、昔のように親しみと恐れをこめてその言葉を使う者はほとんどいない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435762
So it's more of a figure of speech? It doesn't really make grammatical sense to me.

>What's going on here is の is nominalizing the clause before it and じゃなかった is negating it
So you're taking a verb (eat breakfast), turning it into a noun (the eating of breakfast), and then negating it (not the eating of breakfast). Is that what you mean by negating it?

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any other anons who use this website
http://www.studyjapanese.net/
It's in Vietnamese so i have to go to google translate a lot but you can get a lot of free e-books , CD and stuffs.
The website is not listed in the guide so I'm curious if anyone else uses it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435824
>So it's more of a figure of speech?
I guess?
I'm not sure if something like this qualifies for a figure of speech. I think it's just grammar that does not translate into English in any comprehensible way.

You see this type of phrasing a lot whether it's remorse like 来るんじゃなかった or compulsory like 止まるんじゃねえぞ or さあ、行くのだ

This anon >>18435680 is right about the meaning/nuance

>So you're taking a verb (eat breakfast), turning it into a noun (the eating of breakfast), and then negating it (not the eating of breakfast). Is that what you mean by negating it?
Yeah, that's what's going on there grammatically speaking.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435639
"Please use my tight virgin pussy as an army fucktoy until my spine gets broken or I die from an infection"
Damn that's kind dark, goddamn nips

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435883
something something repressed desires 云々

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435824
It's not a figure of speech
Literally, "the thing of eating breakfast was not to be"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435978
But where does the "to be" come from? Shouldn't it only be "the thing of eating breakfast was not"?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436021
Well it's a negative past state of being

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436028
Yeah, so it would just be "was not" then wouldn't it?
Why would it be "was not to be"?
「じゃなかった」 just conjugates it to the negative past doesn't it? so why would it carry an additional meaning to mean "should not" rather than "was not"? Why does "was" turn into "should"? there's no explanation for this so far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435978
Not him, but is there a verdict on this shit? It looks like "the eating of breakfast was not" to me, I fail to see how this communicates that it did happen but should not have.

[Anonymous No.]

カレーたべたい

カレーがたべたいっていっているんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436097
>>18436041
Honestly I have no idea how to explain it myself, it might be just a clumsy example sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436167
Do you think it's unquestionably "should not have" though? Or is it contextual? Or did TK fuck up? I'll take your word for it if it "feels" like the correct interpretation.

[Anonymous No.]

>Learned and remembered new card in Core perfectly fine
>Start mining
>Every card takes me like 10 "agains" before I remember it next time
Why?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436137
どうぞ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436253
doesn't core come with example sentences
if you don't know how the word is used, its quite hard to understand it
and supermemo is clear on that, you will never remember anything you don't understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436265
I'm mining from things I've read, and including sentences on (most) of the cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436259
ばか

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436247
The way I understand it, if 食べるんじゃない is a suggestion or order not to eat, if you make it たべるんじゃなかった it's the same suggestion/order, except it refers to a past event. The most reasonable way to translate it would be "shouldn't have eaten" then.

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone have a deck for counters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436041
>>18436247
>>18436318

https://oshiete.goo.ne.jp/qa/8789955.html

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MEGA/comments/6egpe5/did_mega_just_reduce_their_storage_space_to_15gb/

will this affect to all https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html resources?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436553
>8 months ago

[Anonymous No.]

I actually enjoy studying Japanese. I had been procrastinating the last months but when you get the habit it actually feels nice, even more when you progress. My only issue is maintaining the habit; if I stop for one day it will take me a while to do it again. Almost one year ago I had been practicing the guitar for one month and there were two days I wasn't home and couldn't do it; since then I haven't even touched it and I have no idea where my mom put it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436653
It's in the spare room, honey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436664
Thanks, mom! I'll check it out later.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know that site named nyaa something which would break down sentences and tell the meaning of words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436684
the one the russian dude made? I don't recall it exactly..

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436687
No idea, but it had a pink background. It's not on the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

i hate this fucker
I hate everything he god damm says
I can understand mostly everything anybody else is saying, but the moment this fucker opens his fat mouth its all gone to shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436698
fuck off back to discord

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436702
i don't use discord, faggot

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436698
I don't get the issue
It's just kansaiben

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckTGV5dvfQM

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436716
Yeah
and if its in text I can make it out
I'm just bitching cause my listening is rusty at best, and 関西弁 on top is a struggle
perhaps there exists a show entirely or mostly comprised of 関西弁 users?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436732
>perhaps there exists a show entirely or mostly comprised of 関西弁 users?
Inari, Konkon, Koi Iroha.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436761
cheers

[Anonymous No.]

ゆるキャン△してたソロが

ひのようじんわすれて

テントでやけたみたい

いわんこっちゃないですわ

[Anonymous No.]

ok just one little hint
he says something like
元気出し
さくらがそんなやったらトモヤも落ち込んで[まお]で

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436799
落ち込んでしまう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436799
>元気出し
>さくらがそんなやったら知世も落ち込んでまうで
「～まう」＝「～しまう」

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436799
>げんきだしぃ

>さくらがそんなんやったら

>ともよもおちこんでまうで

こんなかんじだとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436795
アニメ関係あるのか…？
>１７日午後１１時半ごろ、福岡県篠栗町若杉のキャンプ場で「爆発音がしてテントが燃えている」と１１９番があった。福岡県警粕屋署などによると、テント一つが全焼し、中から成人男性とみられる遺体が見つかった。
>　男性は１人でテントに宿泊していたとみられ、同署が身元や出火原因などを調べている。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436812
>>18436817
>>18436819
ありがとうございます

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436827
しまりんのまね

じゃないかなあって

うわさがかくさんしてるよ

[Anonymous No.]

死にたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436936
じゃあ死んでみたら

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436944
めんどくさいし痛いからいやだ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436936
いき鯛

[Anonymous No.]

did you guys struggle on the core 2k too and had to constantly look up words in the beginning? Sometimes it's kinda obvious what the word means through context but sentences are kinda confusing and there are some with too much going on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436945
めんどくさいことといえば呼吸と食と排泄と生殖が先に思い浮かぶんだけどな

比べて死人とかちょー楽じゃね？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436553
will this affect to all >https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html resources?
Those resources are spread across dozens of different mega accounts and I would be surprised if many of them contain over 15gb of data individually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436936
あたしにはなしてみて

>>18436979
アンドロイドは電気羊の夢を見るか

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436992
それ、ブレードランナーのパクリじゃんww

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436936
だめだよ。
日本語を生涯出来なくて人間として大失敗だし、友達一人もいないと死ななければとならいとは限らない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436979
まさにその通りでございます
>>18436992
もう生きることにつかれてきた
何もかもがつまらないし、これから先はどんなに頑張っても年を取る一方だし一切楽しみを見つかりそうにないよ
>>18437029
>友達一人もいないと死ななければとならいとは限らない
この文には何か深い意味があるかもしれないが俺には理解できなかった

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437029
>>18437056
*友達一人もいないと死ななければとならないとは限らない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437070
ばもともconditionalなのよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437070
いや、そこじゃない
そもそも何が言いたいかさっぱりわからないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437082
Ah, the と shouldn't be there after ば, I guess.

>>18437093
Just because you don't even have a single friend it doesn't necessarily mean you have to die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437056
ていうかあなたの日本語のnaturalさ ヤバいよ
普通のanonはreadingとlisteningの習得を目標にしてると思うから、writingをきちんと頑張ってる人ってあんまり居ない気がする
>しにたい
何か美味しいの食べなよ。どこの人？地元の美味しい料理教えて。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437100
あ、なるほど
だったら「友達が一人もいないからといって、死ななきゃいけないことにはならないよ」の方が自然に聞こえるかな
>>18437112
もう日本で4年目だしね…そりゃある程度文章も書けるようになるさ
美味しいものは割と人生の唯一の楽しみだったけど最近それもあんまり盛り上がらなくなってきたつらい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437100
そういうときは
『～から といって、～とは限らない』
と言うと良いよ。
>友達が一人もいないからといって、死ななければならないとは限らない。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436267
Say the new word out loud multiple times while learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436318
>食べるんじゃない
Do not eat (present)
>たべるんじゃなかった
Did not eat (past)

What is the confusion?

[Anonymous No.]

Why is my retention so shit on core? I'm only up to 200 words and already I find it difficult to learn the new ones of that day. Am I just forever fucked or should I do isolated kanji study, even though I think it's pretty retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

うっとーしい
食べるんじゃあねぇぜ
やれやれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437478
You can try it. My retention is much better for words using kanji I learned that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437457
The confusion is that TK says it means "should not have eaten".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436973
Answer this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437457
is this supposed to be imperative or what

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437478
It will get a bit easier once you get more familiar with kanji, as there will be more and more that you have seen already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437544
>>18437557
Think of の as an abstract situation that's described by the rest of the clause.
"It's not (the situation, the case) to eat that." = "You shouldn't eat that." = "Don't eat that."
"It wasn't (the situation, the case) to eat that." = "Shouldn't have eaten that."

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437544
>>18437557
My fault. it is past imperative.

>(You) Should not (imperative) have eaten
is definitely different than
>(You) Did (declarative) not eat.

[Anonymous No.]

If I want to be able to pass the JLPT N3 upwards, I will need to learn how to write kanji right?
I fucked up, I haven't practised writing for years, I can read and identify a lot of kanji easily but when I put pen to paper I lose all memory of what the kanji even looks like.
I am not sure how to correct this? Am I really going to have to relearn kanji by writing them out over and over till till it gets stuck in memory?

Flash cards with Anki are nice and easy as I can do that everywhere. On the bus or waiting for an appointment etc but writing something physically isn't so convenient.
How do you all learn to write? writing them out physically over and over or do you use an application that lets you digitally draw the kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437638
You won't, there's no writing section. There's no need to prepare for JLPT specifically, if you can read raw manga you can pass N3 quite easily.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437638
Wow! So, the guide's section about recognition and production being two separate skills is 100% true. Noted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437638
Why would you even take N3 or N2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437056
>>18437130
死にたいって言う人は実際思ってないから現に生きているのだと思う
じゃないと歩くパラドックス

だから誰がどんなに真剣ぶって言っても俺にはふざけた冗句にしか聞こえない
どんなに卑下してもツイッターでアピールするリア充どもと全く同じレベルに見える

やるなら不言実行でお願いしたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437688
セックスしたいという童貞も歩くパラドックスか？ふざけるな

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437666
I don't think being able to read manga is a fair measure of whether someone can pass N3 or not.
>No writing section
I just looked that up and I'm honestly surprised, I wonder why there is no writing portion.
>>18437672
I can write on a computer but when I decided to write out a physical diary to myself to get myself used to writing out longer sentences, I realised I couldn't recall the actual internals of the kanji, I know it approximate shape and I know perhaps the key radical but the rest is faded in my mind but if I see that kanji in text I know it instantly.

It is a really strange feeling you would think if I can recognise it, surely I should be able to just reproduce it.
It feels a bit like being able tell what an apple looks like and then drawing a shitty circle.
>>18437674
Ideally I would want to get N1. N3 is the lowest limit of usefulness in my opinion for the JLPT. My choice really is just N2 or N1 and I don't have total confidence that I could pass the N1.
Concerning grammar I certainly have still a lot to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18432097
>If sensible digital raws were available to buy I would consider getting them
use rakuten
they use kobo drm which is trivial to remove
all you need for signup is a Japanese address, which can be entirely fake
it doesn't matter where your credit or debit card comes from, they accept it as though it were from a japanese even if the card is a mastercard debit card issued from a bank in kenya
rakuten is better for digital manga than amazon

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone else have trouble "thinking" in Japanese when reading kanji? By that I mean I'm fairly good at remembering the concepts and actions kanji represent but have difficulty reproducing the actual moonspeak. For instance I can recognize almost instantly that 女 means girl/woman/female but it took me a good thirty seconds or so to actually remember the the pronunciation and by extension the hiragana spelling of おんな. Has anyone else have this problem? Are there any exercises I can do that could help me "think" more in Japanese like, for instance, reading aloud, or is greeting understanding just a function of overall time spent studying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437753
フッカーを探して金払えボケ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436936
>>18436944
>>18436945
>>18436967
>>18436979
>>18436992
>>18437011
>>18437029
>>18437056
>>18437070
>>18437093
>>18437130
>>18437492
>>18437688
>>18437753
>>18437795
These posts would all be deleted if they were in English. Keep the offtopic IRL blogshit in /int/. People like you are the very reason why this thread was moved from /a/.

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>>18437795
>ジョセフ・フッカーは、アメリカ合衆国の職業軍人であり、南北戦争のときは北軍の少将を務めた。渾名は「ファイティング・ジョー」だった。

きったねーヤンキー野郎にお金を払えと
いやだね死んだほうがまだましだ
南部が敗戦して以来アメリカが衰退の一途をたどっているし

>>18437810
日本語でおk

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437810
>People like you are the very reason why this thread was moved from /a/.
マジかよ
いもうと最低だな

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437810
>These posts would all be deleted if they were in English.
だが、あのポスト全部は日本語で書かれた。人々は日本語を練習している、そして他の人はそれを訂正していろ。これこそ日本語を習うのことだ、このスレの意図だろ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437810
My post was referencing a grammar question that was asked earlier, it had nothing to do with the conversation about wanting to die. Use the report button next time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437810
>Stop speaking Japanese in the Japanese thread!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437793
>By that I mean I'm fairly good at remembering the concepts and actions kanji represent but
No, you're shit at everything.

I don't mean it as an insult. You're perceiving a skill imbalance where there isn't one.

Just keep studying and you'll get better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437942
そうかもしれないけど、お前も死ぬべき者だと思う。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437992
人間死すべし

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>>18435453
congratulations! You're one step closer to being fluent in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437778
That's good to know. But how is their quality?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437778
The reasons you give for why Rakuten is better all apply to Amazon.

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>>18437762
>It is a really strange feeling you would think if I can recognise it, surely I should be able to just reproduce it.
It's normal. Millions of educated Japanese and Chinese draw mental blanks on extremely easy kanji every day. No one wants to be the one who has to write on the whiteboard during meetings.

Don't pick up handwriting unless you need it for a job or intend to practice it for the rest of your life. It degrades pretty quickly once you stop, especially as a foreigner.

[Anonymous No.]

I FORGOT TO DO MY REPS THIS ENTIRE WEEKEND BECAUSE I WAS READING TK. I WAS ON A GOOD ROLL AND I HAVE NEW CARDS TO VIEW TOO GODDAMNIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437624
>>18437637
Thanks for the help. If the anon who originally asked the question is still around, the missing piece I needed was googling "んじゃない imperative" and finding that [verb]んだ and [verb]んじゃない function as imperative (but not always), which I don't believe was mentioned in TK even though it appears in at least a couple of example sentences that way. It also doesn't appear to be in DOJG, which I feel like I'm missing something. In any case, I hope my summary is correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438178
It's also why natives moved on to digital now'er days. Even they are forgetting how to write shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438258
Epic image, /v/ro.

[Anonymous No.]

https://twitter.com/marziapie/status/396361109134790656?lang=es

why is she still shit at japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438375
Women have 20% fewer neurons in their brains than men, they can't learn as well as we can.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437762
>I just looked that up and I'm honestly surprised, I wonder why there is no writing portion.
Jlpt is easy that's why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436973
i dont even understand what youre asking. its a flash card. what are you looking up?

[Anonymous No.]

How hard is 蒼の彼方のフォーリズム? I played up to the point where the OP played and I have a good 50-60 words mined already.

And I have no idea what dialect her ばあさん's using here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438440
Easy.

[Anonymous No.]

Why am I having trouble pronouncing double consonants? They exist in English and I use them everyday, why is it when I try to say them in Japanese I sound like I'm stuttering or choking on my own tongue? Is it a "you're thinking about it too much" situation, is it my accent, or am I just retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438492
You need to stop thinking in english and practice thinking only in japanese.

Also practice the pronunciation until you get it right

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438492
If you sound like you're stuttering, you're probably trying to pronounce the geminated sounds wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18436732
>perhaps there exists a show entirely or mostly comprised of 関西弁 users?
Lovely Complex

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>>18438168
whatever the publisher uses
most use kadokawa's book walker service
most things recent/or or above 600¥ tend to be good quality

>>18438175
no they don't
amazon has an image resizing policy with their digital manga
the account process is also easier because rakuten doesn't care if you aren't in japan but amazon.jp will aggressively try to force you to the non japanese site
amazon has precedence of nuking fake japanese accounts

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437832
>>18437839
>>18437896
>>18437992
>>18438015
>>>/int/85838501

[Anonymous No.]

almost finished TK hooray

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438659
いやだ

[Anonymous No.]

is 言えば its own word? I have no grammar understanding basically but looking up ba conjugations it doesn't seem like it's used as a conditional

I may be in over my head here

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>>18438431
The flash cards don't have the separate meaning for each word, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18437832
>>18437839
>>18437896
>>18437992
>>18438015
>>18438704
go back there and stop blogging you fucking retard; If you have any questions ask in english or if you want to chat with your discord buddies fuck off to >>>/int/

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>>18438821
When it's not a normal conditional you're probably looking at と言えば: https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html#%E3%8A%A6%E3%81%A8%E8%A8%80%E3%81%88%E3%81%B0

[Anonymous No.]

Is there any site where you can look up kanji broken down into smaller parts? Jisho ignores anything that isn't a radical.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438821
>it doesn't seem like it's used as a conditional
IF we speak about something...
Isn't that just extremely obvious?

[Anonymous No.]

子knee千わ /jp/, I'm going through Anki 6k at the moment (about 2000 words seen, it's good fun) and was wondering if it's worth drawing kanji as you see them. I already do but only once per card for the first time I see them; as I'm thinking of doing a production deck after reading for a couple of 100 hours once I'm done with 6k, it might give me a head start on handwriting etc. So is it worth the time to write out every kanji before showing the next card?

Following on, is there a companion production deck to the reading 6k (i.e. english -> phonemics & orthography)?

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>>18438826
memorize the meaning on the flashcard

there has to be some misunderstanding here

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438953

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>>18438826
>>18438993
Making a leap of logic, I think this anon is using sentence cards and is forgetting the other words in the sentence. Short of "don't do that", I don't have advice as I've never used sentence cards. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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>>18439015
his OP mentions core2k though

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>>18438840
>>18438904
yeah i was looking up そういえば which made me think "is this just two words scrunched together?" so I looked up いえば which I guess is just といえば

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>>18438993
>>18439015
No, the example sentences have words which I don't know. Of course I can mostly guess from context, I just want to know if you had that issue too.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you test your competency?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439280
reading more

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>>18439280
j-cat
post score here when you're done

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>>18439279
i started knowing 0 words of japnese when i started core. of course i couldnt read the sentences

you should be paying 0 attention to them unless they help you memorize the word

[Anonymous No.]

全然くだらなかねえよ
>it aint nonsense at all!

am i right this is a shortened from of なくはない?
which is translated as: its not that/can/maybe

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439309
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

Hardest VN in japanese done. It's shit btw.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18438953
くだらなくない

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439334
>>18439309

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439334
yes i figured this out. but the なくない really confused me - took a while until i found なくはない

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439308
So I can ignore the context and the words and only try to memorize the word the card shows me?

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>>18439357
not him but i STRONGLY oppose this. i started like you 2 years ago with core 2 and made sure i understand every sentence every card - yes its tedious but every word in core2000 sentences is very commong and will speed up your learning exponentially.

i would even go so far to write down the sentences so they ingrain them in your memory while understanding them with tae kim and other grammar guides

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439356
It's not なくはない, it's just the normal negation of くだらない..

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>>18439357
>>18439373

this is some orchestrated 5d bait or something

we've transcended past the point where we use flash cards for their intended purpose and instead flip to their answer and just start doing other random shit on top of it which is completely unquantifiable in terms of progress

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439407
explain instead of bragging

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>>18439373
Anki should be done in the minimal possible time so you can spend the rest reading/listening to native content. Even just doing more Anki cards would be more productive than wasting your time meditating on the example sentence for 友達.

Have you tried reading native content and noticed you're still bad? This is why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439385
oh man... i think that i was more used to くだらん made me think くだらない　is already the negation so くだらなくない made no sense to me.

but now i get the concept....


damn

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>>18439408
idk man im on modafinil which can make a person get really autistic so maybe its just me

the point of anki is automation for spaced repetition. it optimizes being able recall/do something. The something is whatever is on the front of the card. every card is a test and if you're honest with how you answer the timings will place the card in timeslots that are good for retention

reading about adding processes to the back side of the card is just strange. what are you testing for? what happens if you cant recall every word in the back sentence? how does that relate to knowing or not knowing the word the card is intended to test? this is all just nonsense complexity for the sake of "practicing sentences", when there just plain better options available: sentence decks or just going out and reading

i apologize in advance for writing this

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>>18439407
>completely unquantifiable
have you SEEN those numbers dude, that stats page is gamification, the dream of every dekinai, all you gotta do is gamify and "learning" is fun instead of productive which is way more important than learning japanese.

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>>18439428
What am I supposed to read if I understand almost nothing? Am I supposed to look up for every word I see?

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>>18439453
How do you read if you don't know any vocabulary? Japanese is not like french or german where words are usually related to English and you can remember a lot of vocab in one day of study. The kanjis are a mess and the sounds have ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the english or any european language.

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>>18439480
the general advice is learn the bare minimum needed to get by (some percentage of core, somewhere between 500-2000 of the words in core6k), then begin reading with a lot of looking up

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>>18439473
You can memorize a few thousand words beforehand if you want, but yes, you're going to have to look up a ton of words in the beginning no matter what. That's what every person here who succeeded did. You just need to push through the pain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439495
I AM FUCKING TIRED OF THESE GAY ASS CARDS. FUCK OFF AND STICK THEM UP YOUR ASS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439499
am I supposed to understand the sentences in the cards or just rmember the kanji itself?

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>>18439524
Memorize the reading and basic meaning of the word. The sentences are just for reference and don't matter. You'll only acquire a deeper sense of the word by seeing it used in many different contexts in native content.

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>>18439524
This is just my personal opinion, but I wouldn't start grinding either vocab or kanji decks before I finished at least Genki 1 or similar. It helps if you understand the example sentences and also helps you put words that you learn put into context.

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>>18439545
THEN THAT'S THE REASON I HAVE BEEN SO LONG ON SOME GODDAMN FEW CARDS.
>>18439551
I have tried genki and it ommits a lot of things but there's some vocab at least.

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>>18439558
Genki is supposed to give you the foundations of grammar, it's not everything you need to know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439564
There is almost no grammar in genki. You are baiting me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439306
>j-cat
Is that any good as a measurement of Japanese ability?

[Anonymous No.]

How useful is kanji koohii compared to RTK

[Anonymous No.]

カツアゲなんかしてないで
おとなしく小学校に行きなさいって
何度言ったら分かるの！

>How many times do I have to tell you to stop mugging people and get your butt to school?!

i have doubts i understand the なんか properly. afaik this means "things like". is this just omitted in the translation?

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>>18439799
It's filler, like "and stuff".

[Anonymous No.]

Hey, what do you guys do when writing in japanese? Do you use a keyboard with a japanese layout or do you just learn the keys by heart? I have started to learn some words, and i kinda want to use it to really burn it into my skull.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439810
You can type in romaji, most people use that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439810
I used a keyboard because I don't plan to write on a piece of paper.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439823
Thats fine i guess. But my learning curve would increase a lot if i wrote in moonrunes.

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>>18439810
Search for google japanese input. The layout is the same as your default qwerty keyboard. For example, if you want to write あなた you type 'anata' as you would in your default keyboard. If it's a kanji it gives you the option by pressing TAB. So you type 'omae', it will appear おまえ, you press TAB and it becomes お前.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439810
>japanese layout

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>>18439810
kana keyboard is hella antique now no one does that
though i say that with a slight pain in my heart as my brain replays nostalgic memories

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439885
Now thats super handy. Thanks anon. It kinda takes away some of the "skill". But i guess thats fine.

[Anonymous No.]

I finished TK thank you for believing in me but now what

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440026
Read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435308
thanks, anon. As long as it's worked for someone else on this board, I'll try it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440026
watch bamgumis and doramas and listen to ongakus

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439810
You can't call yourself a true Otaku if you don't have 3000-key kanji keyboard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440116
That keyboard has nowhere near 3000 keys senpai. How will you ever learn Japanese if you don't even have basic counting skills?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18439473
>Am I supposed to look up for every word I see?

That's what I do. I've been reading manga and LNs and it takes me about 1 hour for a LN page. But I persevere, one hour a day is nothing, it also helps me calm down before going to bed and improves my retention.

This is not a race. Just do your anki reps as they are supposed to be done and integrate them into the rest of your reading/learning routine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440116
Thats amazing anon.

[Anonymous No.]

How do native Japanese people learn kanji? I've seen it in anime and in TV shows that they have little flash cards and they have regular kanji/literature classes where they learn new words + writing throughout their entire school life, but what method do they actually use? Are there actual Japanese kanji textbooks? I feel I'd learn much better by reading a full native material and I'm curious to see how it's actually structured from a native's point of view.

I assume they don't use Anki decks and shit like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440131
when you learn to read as a child you arent spending one hour per page

consider why this is and become more efficient with your time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440157
baka gaijin

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440157
They write them down a bunch of times and end up learning them from exposure by living in Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440164
Its because you already know the language, just not how to read it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440164
Japanese children read with furigana and the big difference is that they already know the meaning of the words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440179
factually wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440164
English (or western, rather) language is very different to Japanese. In English as long as you know how to read all 20-something letters of the alphabet you know how to read all of the words in a book. You might get the pronunciation wrong and you might not know what they actually mean, but it's not unheard of to just skip ahead a few adjectives and complex nouns and still retain a reasonable meaning for the entire sentence. As a non native English speaker myself, that's how I learned English. I just read a lot of difficult books and skipped over the words I did not know. A lot of them I learned later by context and association, a lot of them I had to look up after encountering them in sentences over and over again. As long as I know how to pronounce it (and 90% of the time I got it right, aside from stuff like 'choir' or weird pronunciations from foreign languages), then I won't get stuck in the learning.

With Japanese, however, it's a whole different matter. I can recognize a lot of kanji and kind-of understand their meaning by just looking at the components of a jukugo, but still I'd have no fucking idea how to read it or say it out loud. Nevermind the fact that a lot of kanji can look different but have the same reading/meaning and it's just a quirk of the author. The difference between a Japanese book is that if you don't know what a word is, you literally cannot read it.

This is the entire reason why you often see in TV shows or anime a smart 'bookworm' kind of character reading hard books and see their friend go "oh wow you are so smart, you can already read this kind of stuff". Growing up I never understood those scenes because I'd just think "well duh, of course I can read a book in my own language, there might be a few complex words but still it's readable", whereas in Japanese you *literally cannot* read it if you don't know those complex kanji, even if they are word you know already because it's your own mother tongue and you speak it every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440171
>>18440179
>the absolute state of /djt/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440166
I know, but that doesn't tell me where they read them and write them down. I assume they have grammar/vocabulary textbooks that they go through in school and they have classes where they get to learn the kanji etc etc.

What method do those classes actually employ? Is there a traditional 'golden' textbook that is the go-to of every teacher when teaching first grader (or whatever) kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440214
nice pasta

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440244
I literally just wrote it down. I need to get a life.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440236
You retard, they were born in Japan and have been in contact with tthe language for many years. They will see and speak the language every single day. They will think in the language. Why the fuck does it matter? You are not gonna learn by using a method utilized to teach Japanese children as your case is totally different.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you score words in your Anki mining that have many definitions?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440221
The objection to spending less time on a page is incorrect but the substance of those two posts is still mostly correct. It was a pretty stupid line to end the post with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440221
>/djt/
You need to go back.

[Anonymous No.]

おはよう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440214
This is also because Japanese is not very descriptive, so a single word/kanji does matter more than one does in english or any European language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440253
>They will see and speak the language every single day. They will think in the language

And yet they still go to classes to specifically learn how to *read* the language and the various shitload of kanji that you simply just cannot learn unless you actually study them.

Now go kys

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440254
I dump all of them into a single card, if I vaguely remember the definitions, it's alright. I'm not very strict on my mining deck, otherwise I'd have no life because I enjoy adding rare/useless words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440297
Caralho, você só fala bosta. Volte para o mar de mijo de uma vez.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440253
>falling for the "If I move to japan, I'll exponentially learn Japanese" meme

holy fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440307
Prove it or I'll kill you

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440254
I don't care as long I get the general feel and reading right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440236
http://happylilac.net/sy-kanzi25.html
To my rough understanding, it's just like English handwriting except it's more idiotic to do with kanji and lasts longer. I'm sure you stop getting sheets after a few years for the remaining kanji to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440313
Vai tomar no cu, bostileiro. Bostileiro nem ao menos disfarça. Praga. Consigo sentir o cheiro de um verme como ti de longe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440318
Thanks, I'll look it up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440258
theres nothing factually wrong with someone going to the beach and identifying grains of sand either! in fact thats exactly what is going on

whats the bigger tragedy in life? the time spent not knowing japanese while wishing you did or the time spent thinking youre learning japanese doing things that are the actual by-the-book definition of insanity and still watching all that nihongo slip through your fingers like that beach sand

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440328
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440342

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440309
Being surrounded by a language audibly and visually from birth is very different to moving to a foreign country because you think you wont have to work. It's ridiculous to compare the two.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440157
Go ask the Japanese thread on /int/ since they have actual Japs there. The /int/ djt shitposters are shitting up this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440347
you think you will learn like natives do

fucking LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440157
http://ysjapanese.wp-x.jp/2016/02/a-native-speakers-kanji-learning-experience/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440309
Learn to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440331
You seem to have poor reading comprehension so I'll try to help you out. I agree that spending an hour on a page looking up every word is a poor use of time. That being said, "consider why a child doesn't do this" is a fucking stupid thing to say for the reasons that were listed and more. It's possible to be right about the main point but say something embarrassingly dumb, and this often attracts attention.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18430839
>その写真

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440328
In telling you what natives seem to do, I am by no means endorsing it. Education is pretty much universally shit and uses shitty methods. If you want to learn to write/recall kanji, anki is better for that too than following the school method of learning jouyou kanji spread out over a decade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440400
who quote? who linked /jp/ to the /int/ teenbros?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440395
its like you dont know about a thing called a reading level lol

as for the other point そのつもりだけど？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440429
Oh don't worry I'm not actively looking to learn by using this. I'm just curious about the learning method and that natives use. I'll keep working on my anki reps to actually *learn* the kanji, while also do research on the Japanese education system because it's interesting as fuck from the point of view of a 外人 like myself.

>>18440366
This for example seems to be an excellent read and exactly what I was looking for.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440450
kill yourself. This is not /a/, fuck off with your cancerous reaction images. Teenbros not allowed on /jp/. Die.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440462
いいえ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440468
say that to my face stupid underage

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440462
Calm down bruh.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440297
Google(google image) 漢字ドリル or 漢字テスト
They do that again and again

[Anonymous No.]

バカ！！！勉強は二洪五! :)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18434156 is for >>18440561

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440566
..ugh. reverse of this. wow im actually retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

THE KANJI, MASON, WHAT DO THEY MEAN?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440642
しゃせいだいすき

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440434
>teenbros
Is this you? >>18440462

[Anonymous No.]

>>18440703
heh

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435375
>handakuten on kanji
This is some next-level shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435401
I had the same problem until I started reading. Every grammar explanation I read about them was about as much help as drinking paint, but after I started reading my brain just worked it out on its own before long.

[Anonymous No.]

Reading actually helps remembering words better!

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit
>I believe its the single least efficient way. You're reading something made for native speakers, meaning you get everything from beginner to advanced stuff at once. You spend an absurd amount of time looking up words, the vast majority of which you will never use in real life.

>Textbooks made for learning japanese give you useful words and pacing such that you dont need to look up every few words while trying to read a book. Unless these words are used often, they're going to be quite difficult to remember, they're going to pile up, and you're only going to see them when you study them.

>This is ignoring the fact that stuff that isnt marketed towards kids wont have any yomigana, so youll see many kanji that you wont know yet, and many that aren't commonly used irl to save page space

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>>18441604
I bet he's one of those people who just finished Genki 1 and got 100 kanji and 500 words down after 2 years in a class.

[Anonymous No.]

>reading
>think im near an h scene
>keep reading to reach end
>end up reading for a lot longer than I had planned, never reached the scene because the two characters just slept next to each other and did nothing

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>>18439810
Just use an IME (see the Resources Guide). Whichever one you pick will probably be using Kunrei-shiki romanization by default, which is more logical than Hepburn anyway and takes fewer keystrokes to type, so have a quick look at the Wikipedia page for it and take note of how it works:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kunrei-shiki_romanization

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>>18441604
Literally who

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>>18441766
誰もそんなこと言ってねえぞこのタコ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18441766
What game? I love intimate scenes with no actual sex.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18441417
I tried to figure out what it if it was consistently communicating anything and the best I could come up with was "not coarse but still funny voice ha ha".
Whoever captioned that put in a lot of work.

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>>18441636
It's okay though because those people have truly mastered first semester forced production. You need to remember that some people have different goals. Some people want to learn Japanese. Some people want to avoid the uncomfortable feeling of facing real language for the first time, and instead practice identifying objects in the room.

[Anonymous No.]

How long do you guys typically read a day? Do you just keep going until you get tired? Does that not burn you out?

[Anonymous No.]

この際はｄｊｔの皆さんに感謝の意を表したい
かけがえのない友人でいてくれて本当にありがとうございます

[Anonymous No.]

>>18441888
Consistency is important. I'm very early in but I'm aiming for a minimum of an hour a day and only sometimes hitting 2 hours. I'm sure when I can understand more interesting material I'll get absorbed some days, but I'm not going to feel bad for only reading an hour as long as I hit that.

[Anonymous No.]

I just finished reading 時をかける少女 and had no real trouble understanding it. Does anyone have any recommendations for books a step up in difficulty that are in the DJT library? There are too many to choose from.

>>18441888
At least an hour a day. I've not yet gotten so absorbed in something that I lose track of time though. I'm very aware of the time passing by.

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>>18441888
I have a 45 minute train commute to work so 1.5 hours a day

I never read at home

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>>18439314
no

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>>18441888
firstly, checked
and I double whatever time I spent in anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>18441888
i read for a couple hours a day or in other words two light novella pages

[Anonymous No.]

>>18441888
At least 50 pages of porn a day
Other manga for 3-4 hours on weekends

[Anonymous No.]

Holy shit my idol Nukemarine is back!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18441888
Depends how much I'm enjoying/how interested I am in what I'm reading. I managed 9 hours straight the other day.

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>>18441888
I don't see why you would burn out doing something you like.

>>18442170
イリヤの空、UFOの夏

I looked through 時をかける少女 though and I think if you have no trouble understanding that you should (probably) be able to move on to whatever you want. There are books that will challenge you but I don't think anything is entirely out of your reach once you can grasp the basics like that.
I would move on to whatever interests you

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>>18443186
i'm still new to it so it's a lot of effort, i'm not at the level where i can just read as a recreational activity

[Anonymous No.]

RTK + koohii + vocab is the god tier way to do it. Allow me to explain but before I fucking do, make sure you have a good grasp on hiragana, katakana and the basic grammar rules of the language. Alright, time to fuckin explain:

RTK by heiseg teaches you how to remember the kanji by doing little short stories or "mnemonics" and associate the kanji for it.

With the addition of learning the radials or primatives, which are essentially the building blocks of kanji. This will help you further break them down for you and make it piss easy to remember them, and combining this with mnemonics is an effective method for remembering them. It's important to reinforce this with the anki kanji deck + radical deck. however you won't actually learn how to "read" the kanji.

That's where koohii comes in. It's basically heisegs method but it teaches you the reading and meaning of the kanji and also provides further reinforcement as well as learning vocabulary that contain the kanji and reading. This will help you make educated guess on how the word is read if the same kanji appears in words you might see often which brings me to my important point.

You suppliment the koohii method along with reading native material. Start out basic and build your way up.

Look up vocabulary that are new to you and what they mean. As you see words that include the kanji that you come across more often when you read; the easier it will be to guess the reading of new words that include the kanji that you recognise. This will also make guessing what the word means based on the meaning of the kanji within the word easier as well.
Make sure to learn how the words are used in context within the sentences that might contain a specific situation for it. You should engage in the material you find interesting only in Japanese to keep you engaged.

If you wanna apply what you learned depending is to speak it. You want to put that knowledge into good use!

You might come across a problem where you translate words in English and then to Japanese which is a common problem but you can get yourself out of the habit with time. This is where a monolingual dictionary comes in which is pretty self explanatory combined with describijg daily situations in your life only in Japanese within your mind just to train and condition yourself into thinking in japanese.

Be consistent because that shit is super important. One final note is that making mistakes is completely fine and don't be afraid of making them. Receiving corrections is a sure fire way to learn fast.

Good luck! I know all of you faggots can learn Japanese and kanji! I believe you can do it. No, I know you fucking can because you gotta believe you can achieve this goal.

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>>18443452
what if I've already just learned word readings and grammar, and now I can read
i failed did I
fuck

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>>18443452
Or you could just learn new words.

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>>18443470
It depends if you want to make learning new words easier as well as knowing all the common use kanji so you won't have the feeling of being "stumped" when you come across them. It'll also help you make more educated guesses on how new words are read once you learned vocab that have kanji that you come across often.

Most of the time you'll guess the reading right and knowing the basic meaning of the kanji will give you a basic jist of what the new word you came across means so you'll stop looking at a dictionary less and have a general meaning what the word you read means and how it's said however it doesn't hurt to look the word up in a monolingual dictionary to get the meaning of the word.

I say monolingual just to prevent yourself in thinking in English when you come across vocab.

Good luck anon.

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>>18443494
You'll learn new words faster you know recognise the 2000+ kanji.

As for reading you suppliment it with koohii as it gives you the readings of the kanji and meanings.

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>>18443494
>>18443519
Fuck meant to say *once you know.

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>>18443501
rtk is older than SRS and it was necessary then for 'new word acquisition'
its been superseded
I skipped all of it, learned word readings and definitions, caught the gist of the kanji due to the word associations, and can easily guess at the meaning of new words

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>>18443542
Not him but I found learning some kanji helped me remember words more but I still didn't learn 2000+ from the get go.

Apart from that I did the same shit as you did but it helped me retain the words I come across more strongly. At least with the first 400+ I learned. I quickly gave up and just went about reading and picked up new kanji from new words I come across.

I wonder how shutters are able to just learn kanji in isolation for 2000+ of them because I would've surely gave up, I commend the fags who pull through though.

[Anonymous No.]

http://nlt.tsukuba.lagoinst.info/
Is it possible to download/archive a site like this? It's an extremely useful resource for example sentences but I'm afraid of it going down someday.

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>>18442170
sugoooiiiii anon

[Anonymous No.]

I get the gist of what he's saying but I don't get exactly how meaning is constructed here.

もし良かったらッて感じで isn't too hard (although if someone can concretely explain it that'd be nice too)) but the next part is what I have trouble understanding. 別に必要なければ人. Is he calling her someone who didn't need any help in particular? Why なければ instead of なかった?　From my understanding, 必要なければ is the adjective that modifies ひと but why is it in the conditional form?

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で / に quiz quoted from ふたば

経済危機【で ro に】食糧難と物価急騰に見舞われているベネズエラ【で ro に】、
警備会社が、毎月の給与１０ドルのほか【で ro に】、勤務態度が良ければ卵１４４個の
ボーナスを支給する条件【で ro に】警備員の募集を行っている。
この警備会社は、西部スリア州【で ro に】あるアトラス・セキュリティー。
闇市場【で ro に】１０ドル相当の２００万ボリバルの月給に加えて、闇市場【で ro に】
約２ドル【で ro に】相当する毎週３６個の卵を手にするには、時間通り【で ro に】出社して
シフト【で ro に】入り、きちんとした身なりをすることが条件だという。

トランプ氏は先日、「They've gotten away with murder」と日本を含む貿易相手国を批判。
「get away with murder」は慣用表現の言い回し【で ro に】、「好き勝手なことをして
おきながら罰を免れる」といった意味だ。
だが、「殺人を犯しながら逃げている」と直訳した一部メディアがあり、ネット上で
「誤訳でないか」とのツッコミが続出した。
トランプ氏は2018年2月12日（ワシントン現地時間）、ホワイトハウス【で ro に】開いた
インフラ投資【で ro に】関する会合【で ro に】、米国が貿易赤字を抱えている国々【で ro に】
「報復関税」を課す考えを表明した。
ロイター通信の報道【で ro に】よると、トランプ氏は日本と中国、韓国を名指しする
形【で ro に】、「vast amounts of money with China and Japan and South Korea and so many
other countries（我が国は日中韓やその他多数の国との貿易【で ro に】巨額の金を失っている）」
と話した。その上で、こう続けたという。
「（It's a little tough for them because）they've gotten away with murder for 25 years」

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>>18443957
*or

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>>18440214
あのんのえいごって

にほんごっぽいね

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>>18443930
He's about to say ひとり～ but she cut him off

"Sorry, I meant if you'd me want me to, if you don't really need help then--"

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>>18443998
ひとり as in for example 別に必要なければひとりしてあげる, something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444007
ひとりにしてあげる
Yeah probably

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone recommend some textbooks to progress through the JLPT levels? I took Japanese in high school, so I feel like I could pass N5 as I am now, but I would like to be able to work up to N2 or N1 in a couple of years. I know that there's not really a need to textbooks most of the time, but I like having something physical to work through. Cheers guys.

[Anonymous No.]

What is that kanji after 体を？

I'm not sure what it remotely is, and after staring at it for a while I think the left side is a 弓 radical but the right side I can not figure out at all, especially that loop-de-loop.

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>>18444017
Learning Japanese happens through reading and listening, not doing textbook work.

>>18444039
張

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>>18444045
That was it, thanks a lot!

In the future I'll watch for a chance of criss crossing lines when I see weird loop-de-loops.

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>>18444011
ありがとうアノン

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>>18444017
Generally speaking N4 and N5 are Genki1&2 and the equivalents. N3~1 are 完全マスター and 日本語総まとめ series.
All of these textbooks can be found in the cornucopia of resources
djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html

[Anonymous No.]

Learning japanese is a lot of fun but god damn I can|t get the vocab into my head at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444101
so its not fun then

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>>18444136
I'm enjoying my failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444149
me 2

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>>18444101
わかる

すぐわすれることばってけっこうあるよ

[Anonymous No.]

あ￣の＿ん＿
あ／の￣ん￣
あ／の￣ん＿

[Anonymous No.]

これわペンです。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444302
あたしのすんでるとこは

あ↑の↓ん↓だよ

ハノンとおなじはつおん

かなりほうげんはいってる

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444302
こ↑こ↓

[Anonymous No.]

Hello, /djt/. First of all, I've read the djt guide. I want to ask a few question for references.
I've tried learning japanese before, remember all the hiragana, katakana and a few kanji (only recognize 200-ish, not able to write it though). Then, I stopped learning it because I've been busy recently with college stuff. Obviously, I have forgotten most of the them. So i have a few question since I want to start learning it, again.

1. How do you keep motivated to learn japanese? I got burned out after learning it for 1 month straight.
2. How do you manage time when you're very busy? especially if you're in university (stem major with lots of weekly report)
3. How long do you need to study japanese until you can hear AND understand native japanese? or more specifically, until you can read and understand japanese's internet environment (twitter, 2chan, raw manga or LN, etc). I've researched it quite a bit and know that it takes around 3-5 years. I asked this question just for further references.
4. Is it better to study native language <-> japanese or english <-> japanese? English isn't my mother tongue and my native language is very wild (no one cares about grammar, people can still understand you and you only use formal grammar in formal text like inquiry or application letter)
5. Any personal tips and trick that you can gives me? I'm from Asia so learning japanese will not be as steep as someone from europe/middle east or america.

Sorry for no TL;DR, and thank you very much. I will post this again in the next DJT thread because this DJT thread seems on the brink of dying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444549
1. I like japanese shit
2. I'm not busy
3. 2 years
4. This is a fucking stupid question
5. You are probably wrong
Tips: read/listen to lots of japanese, and make good use of google

also, this is /jp/, this thread will be up for a while

[Anonymous No.]

I keep seeing はい translated as 'Yes sir/ma'am'. Is there subtext that I'm missing or is the translator pulling it from their ass?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444669
>Is there subtext that I'm missing
Yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444669
は = yes
い = sir/ma'am

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444669
they're cutting it a bit short
its really 'Yes madam/sir, rub a dub dub'

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444549
just say what your native language is you double nigger

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>>18444592
Thanks for the answer anon, thats a pretty fast response. I believe asian can learn japanese or in general asian language more easily because of how their culture is similar to one another and how they structure their sentences compared to western. But i don't have any source to back that up so I may be completely wrong about it.

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>>18444696
I dont think its necessary but its bahasa indonesia if you still want to know.

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>>18444549
>1. How do you keep motivated to learn japanese?
the power of memes
>2. How do you manage time when you're very busy?
if something is important, you make the time. If not, quit
>3. How long do you need to study japanese until you can hear AND understand native japanese?
depends on your native language
korean or chinese born struggle less than anyone else. possibly others that are forced to learn chinese scripts
>4. Is it better to study native language <-> japanese or english <-> japanese?
English
>5. Any personal tips and trick that you can gives me?
kanji is not japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444382
kill yourself

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>>18444713
That's cool anon, but I have no idea where your confidence comes from. Granted I only watched a short video on youtube but I couldn't spot a single plausible advantage you have over english speakers. It sounds like your people can't even read hanzi.

I wish you luck on your second attempt, but I think you might be deluded if you think you're starting anywhere near the same line as the chinese.

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>>18441604
>the vast majority of which you will never use in real life.
This argument makes absolutely no sense. If you encounter the word reading something you want to read, you've already used it in real life. Just because you're never going to output it doesn't mean you're not going to "use" it. God I hate this logic; makes me mad every time.

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>>18444916
>God I hate this logic; makes me mad every time.
http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1518922435886.webm

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444916
reading isn't real life

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>>18444056
>In the future I'll watch for a chance of criss crossing lines when I see weird loop-de-loops
the reason you didn't recognize it was not because of the way it was written but because you didn't know 体を張る was an expression (the guy who answered probably recognized it from the thumbnail, where the loop isn't even visible)

don't memorize dumb rules; just read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>18443957
で
に
に
で
に
で
で
に
に
に

で
に
に
で
に
に
で
で

[Anonymous No.]

is there an addon that makes this display the actual number?

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>>18444984
That might be part of it, but I did open the image and actually look at the kanji. You're right about not noticing the loop though, it was pretty obvious either way

Still it's not too harmful to remember that the thing at the bottom of 衣 is written as a loop

Not everything written by hand is a common expression

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>>18444999
#2 and 12 should be で
で denotes where an action takes place

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444903
im a chinese descendant, not pure indonesian but yeah as i said before maybe im just biased since i have no source to back up that claim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18444928
いわんこっちゃない

[Anonymous No.]

if I do 500 reviews that are piled up in a day will it hurt the distribution of cards? As in will I get concentrated hotspots because a lot more cards are going for the same day

[Anonymous No.]

かきことばと

おんなことばと

おとこことばが

ちょっとづつちがうのって

むずかしい？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445366
べ、べつに難しくないわ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445366
うん
地雷みたい。おんなことばは絶対にさけたい
沽券に関わる

[Anonymous No.]

Ok DJT I finished Genki 1 in uni and then realised how much the courses were costing me, so I dropped them. Where should I continue, Tae Kim?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445453
read the guide

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445057
Click study now to see a card and you will see the real number.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445271
No because the cards were previously reviewed on different days. Since different periods of time elapsed for each card, their next review dates will be different as well.

[Anonymous No.]

Im 500 cards in anki should I start reading yotsuba while I keep domingo anki or wait till 1000?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445916
Learning more words and kanji won't make Japanese any easier
All it will do is make it a little easier to look words up when you read, or save you from a couple of those lookups

If you want to learn Japanese just Anki won't cut it, you have to keep trying to read & keep trying to listen with all the free time you've got

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445916
You're about where I was when I started reading Yotsubato, I'd say it's the perfect time. It took me 10 minutes a page at first but within a month I could read a whole volume in a couple hours.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445953
you made rapid progress!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446060
I get the impression that it's the same for everyone at those early, early stages. More than anything it was just a matter of my brain getting used to reading kana and parsing them more quickly into words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445453
You might as well just do Genki 2 on your own. Obviously skip the group exercises.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445938
>Learning more words and kanji won't make Japanese any easier
This has got to be one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446150
I think I might have written that poorly
What I mean is it won't make the understanding part any easier

Being able to solve X amount of flashcards and actually knowing the language is very different

[Anonymous No.]

how do you improve reading pace as a beginner? the rate i'm going feels painfully slow and i'm reading a 50+ hour VN, i don't want to be reading this for the entire year

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446172
Don't you think you know the answer already? It's read more!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446150
He's (more or less) right if he specifically means in the context of Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446172
ganbaru more

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446077
and did you do anything else while reading yotsuba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18435326
fat luna titties

[Anonymous No.]

Where do you guys look up verb conjugations? Sometimes the verb is a whole mess of conjugations and having to look one by one in a grammar guide is fucking kill. Is there any site that will do that for you?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446379
Usually I use chiitrans lite's translation window to parse it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446379
Japanese is not French, if you learn the conjugation rules there are no exceptions, so you can conjugate it by yourself, congratulations. And this is something that people learn in their first months of studying

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446444
yea but we forget it and easy lookup helps reinforce it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446467
jisho has it too

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446444
There are 3 exceptions actually
行く, 来る and する

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446484
true, but you usually learn them at the same time as the two patterns of conjugation

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446349
Just Anki and Tae Kim, though I had already completed the first volume of Human Japanese a year prior, which covered roughly the first half of Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446484
Also ある, plus a bunch of weird auxiliary verbs which english resources tend to teach as separate "conjugations"

historically 死ぬ and 往ぬ, which sheds some light on why 死ぬ is basically the only ぬ verb

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446172
It depends on what you read.
Something like Yotsubato is lighter and therefore quicker.
The mid-end i would say to be shonen or things like 紫色のクオリア where plot advancements and exposition is more common.
VN's naturally take longer to read, followed by Light Novels and actual books.

But to answer your question, just read more dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446554
Do LNs and books actually take longer to read than VNs?
I'm not a VN guy but the length estimates on vndb, which I'm assuming aren't for language learners, seem to range through 10 to 30 to even 50 hours pretty often
Last I asked a native speaker on here they said a single LN volume takes them maybe 2-4 hours to read

[Anonymous No.]

What did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446712
”i'm retarded, hurrr look at me i'm retarded, i'm retarded guys"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446712
>jpg
What did he mean by this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446655
>Last I asked a native speaker on here they said a single LN volume takes them maybe 2-4 hours to read
Damn that's fast. I wish I was a fast reader.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446719
This, I saw one of his videos on /djt/ and he seem like a knowledgeable guy, but this "trolling the redditors" attitude is a sign of serious psychological instability, in my opinion

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446736
/djt/? I've never heard of such board. Was it added recently?

[Anonymous No.]

should i use the DOJG deck?
also where can i find yotsuba raws

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446712
>unironically uses words "blue-pilled"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446746
it sure as hell wasn't on DJT

>>18446755
I know horrible, what causes this kind of attitude? Did he not get enough attention growing up and now uses his Japanese knowledge as a way to force people to pay attention to him and when it doesn't help he gets confrontational so that he gets their attention anyway?

Also do you learn animal kanji? 蜘蛛、海豹、鶴 stuff like that? I've recently started learning them, but just for fun really

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446772
>Also do you learn animal kanji? 蜘蛛、海豹、鶴 stuff like that?
yea, I don't really differentiate between everyday kanji and other ones
when I come across something I don't know I mine it, even if it has Furigana for grown ups

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446752
>Not owning a Yotsuba Danbo box set
Dekinai.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446712
is that the guy that shills meditation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446930
Yeah and ajatt

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446951
so, what is ajatt? is a product you buy or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446930
He also thinks that you can learn japanese while sleeping

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446955
It's a scam, the "doctors hate him" of Japanese learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446955
Learning Japanese for retards who fall for his bait pretty much.
He didn't even follow ajatt

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446746
Generals have been referenced with board denotation due to how they tend to take up unique url slots, for longer than you have known about the existence on this site. Stop trying to fit in, newfriend.

[Anonymous No.]

WHAT is THE kanji AFTER the DOUSHIO???
Help I can't figure out the radicals in the middle, I searched on jisho for the top and bottom ones and i also tried drawing it on google translate I don't know what I'm doing wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446955
tl;dr: spend 16 hours a day autistically doing everything in Japanese, including only listening to Japanese news, setting your OS to Japanese, etc. If you can maintain your sanity, you will learn Japanese faster than those who only do as a hobby for 2 hours a day SURPRISE SURPRISE.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447017
It's who she's talking to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447008
>Stop trying to fit in
This is the first time I have seen this being used appropriately. Good job.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447008
This isn't a general, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447028
It's a name? Once again, names fuck me over. Wish japanese people didn't have names

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447017
藍
It's a name.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447037
I wish there were all unloved and had names spelled in kana.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447037
Yeah, but it's pretty obvious if you know what the kanji for Ran's name is.

[Anonymous No.]

i could never find out what niwaka means
seems obviously slang but not big enough to be findable in english.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447050
so you don't know how to use a dictionary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447050
the word itself means sudden so you can think of it as suddenly becoming a fan, i.e. a poseur, someone who follows trends

[Anonymous No.]

heh heh

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447050
俄か isn't slang, it's just poorly translated
You're probably having trouble with meaning 2 here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447045
What do I do against the name scourge though? How do I quickly recognize them, and how do I know which of the 5 readings it is?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18446444
I thought we weren't supposed to memorize a grammar guide, anon. Isn't that what's said both in the guide and here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447017
what's wrong with japanese handwriting

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447138
>How do I quickly recognize them
context

>how do I know which of the 5 readings it is?
look it up
if that doesn't help, just guess :)

>>18447192
everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447192
That one isn't bad at all, I've seen much worse
I don't mind the "worse" either, the japs got a retarded writing system and it's understandable if they want to be able to write more than a single character every 5 seconds
I am glad my general ancestors from 2000 years ago were efficient latin people

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447238
Are you okay man? You sound kinda mad

[Anonymous No.]

あたしたちは友達ですね！

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447260
How did you get that from my post

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447157
I didn't start learning Japanese from the guide so I don't know. Memorized it in classes, at this point I don't know if it helped, that was a long time ago, but I can produce them with ease, maybe it's a result of consumption of lots of Japanese, hard to say at this point

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447266
I don't know, you just sounded real mad there
Do you need help with writing japanese characters or something? I can help you

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447276
i can write em faster than you faggot, I wasn't mad but now you made me mad by assuming I am mad about not being able to write japanese characters even tho I am simply pointing out the inferiority of the writing system those subhumans came up with

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447293
What the hell man I was just offering you help. You don't need to accept it but there's no need to get mad. I know you have your own problems but I was just trying to be nice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447318
You are right I am sorry, please do not take my aggressiveness seriously, I was not expecting you to

[Anonymous No.]

I just finished my hour of meditation and I already feel like my Japanese has improved.

[Anonymous No.]

Did any anons here just force read a visual novel after learning hiragana and katakana? Did you know any kanji at all?
How does it work? Do you literally look up everything for weeks?
I'm almost done with hiragana. My intention is to start reading visual novels in JP. But i'm not actually sure if i would enjoy not understand anything at all.

Any opinions? How did you do it? How was it at first?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447406
It sucked but then later I became fluent

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447406
You need to learn some grammar before you should even attempt to read anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447406
I've done Heisig's RTK and Genki and it was still painful to read my first VN.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447378
Did you absorb a new word from the ether today?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447378
Go back there

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447406
No matter when you start there will be pain, but read through TK first. Don't test yourself and don't expect to retain everything, just get an overview of some of the most common grammar out there and learn to distinguish roots and conjugations. Then read. You will get faster every day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447486
ベイトです

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447532
ベイトは日本語で「釣り」

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447566
バアァカ！日本語ができなりません

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447600
を*
fixed that for you

[Anonymous No.]

そうすれば改めて　私と純潔が
貴様の相手をしてやる
>If you can, then Junketsu and I will face you again.

i dont get the 改める in here
1) to change, to alter, to revise, to replace
2) to reform, to correct, to mend, to improve
3) to examine, to check, to inspect
4) to do properly, to do formally

[Anonymous No.]

Anki has someone lost my progress in the "Learning" field. I was meant to be doing the next 20 cards from somewhere in the mid 1300s, but instead got the first 20 cards from my deck presented to me as "new".

Has this happened to anyone else? Any ideas on how to fix this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447903
muh stats

just fucking do it you retard, why do you care? you are so obsessed with stats to come here and brag about it? or is it to brag to your discord friends?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447566
囮

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447921
This isn't about stats you absolute fucking mouthbreather. I'm trying to learn new cards, and Anki is showing me the first 20 in the whole deck, not the next 20 I need to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447902
surprise

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447903
Uh, did you download anki on a new device and done a forced sync or something?

[Anonymous No.]

well this is complete aids compared to yotsuba

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447955
I accidentally added a few cards meant for another deck, then deleted them when I realized what happened. That's the only interaction I've had with the backend of Anki for this particular deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447978
You can break that long sentence down into 4 or 5 parts. Understand it bit by bit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448001
Well, go into browse deck and look at your cards. The "interval" column will tell you if those cards are now all treated as new or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447406
I played games with furigana instead. Then moved onto things with full voice acting.

I'm six months in and about 3500 anki cards later I can at least understand the general idea behind most of a VN protagonist's monologues, but there's still a whole fucking lot of words I haven't seen once in my life before.

Though at a point I stopped caring that much about words I didn't know, so I don't autistically look everything up. I'd rather just improve my comprehension with what I do know for now and deliver everything else from context. When I did look things up I remembered the kanji for about a night, and then promptly forgot about them.

At least I can read relatively easy material smoothly, so that's some progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448016
I managed to fix it myself. Thank for the serious response though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447978
It seems pretty easy. And I say that without knowing most of the used vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447978
if you think this is hard the next few chapters will make your eyes bleed

[Anonymous No.]

Is it worth it to try and learn to write kanji? Is it ever really used in causal circumstances or is it just as useless as learning English cursive?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447978
I find this much more straightforward and simple to read than most of Yotsuba's weird shit though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448157
It's more useful than learning English cursive, but that's not exactly saying a lot
It's 2018 and handwriting in general is something pretty much no one needs to do
If you have some reason it's worth it to you though, go ahead and do it I guess

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning so much from her.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447978
I don't mean to question furigana in general, but all of that furigana in the double-bubble makes it hard for my eyes to focus on either the kanji or the furigana. Took me longer to read the words than it should have. I wonder if it is still a bit distracting with a lot more experience, or you learn to visually separate them so well that it doesn't matter?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448181
>ペニス

Did you see the video where she shills dakimakuras?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448181
Why is she so smug? Is it because she knows her ペニス is larger than her average viewer's?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448166
Guess what? Yotsuba is written how people talk in casual contexts. It's not "weird," you just don't understand it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448188
Experience will solve all your problems
I find furigana are still something your eyes drift to though, and when they're there you tend to not rely on memory to recognize kanji readings

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448214
She is so smug because she knows that she gets away with making up lewd examples.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448157
>>18448173
Someone just complained about Japanese natives having shit handwriting. While maybe no one needs to use it, you should probably practice it if you're going to use it regardless.
That being said, it's likely that you wont be using it. It's your choice, if you WANT to write then learn to write.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447951
fugg...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447978
>page 73
>digital text
Where was that taken from?

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

エプロンドレスほしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448426
おはよう
ちょうどいいところに来た
君の裸エプロン姿にしこしこしたい
横胸を見せてくれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448426
住所教えたら通販で送ってあげるよ(｀・ω・´)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448426
これ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448485
それです

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448382
http://bilingualmanga.com/manga/Flying-Witch/chapter-2

[Anonymous No.]

Opinions on reading past your normal daily mining? Like if you've already hit say, 20 words, do you just keep going until you're tired?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448505
I just throw unknown words into a text file and make the cards when I feel like it, so it doesn't interrupt my reading so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448505
Why would you stop after the bare minimum to continue doing anki? Anki is good but should not be the center of your routine. Also, plenty of people build up a queue of mined words, you don't need to do them the very next session.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448505
Are you retarded? Why would you stop?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448505
Why on earth would you limit the more important activity for the sake of a far less important ancillary activity?

[Anonymous No.]

DUDE MAXIMUM IMMERSION. READ 24/7 DONT ANKI LMAO

[Anonymous No.]

がっこういく

にゃんぱす

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448560
にゃんだって？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448550

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448507
>>18448518
>>18448521
>>18448531
so do you just create a huge backlog, or stop mining while still reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448599
Just make a backlog. And when you have some extra time and feel like it, look up the words properly, make pretty cards and add them all to anki.
I often add new cards in batches of 300-500, then I have my daily 20 new cards fix for weeks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448599
I still have a backlog of nearly 4k my dude

[Anonymous No.]

>奇怪な卍型の武器
First time I encounter this kanji. Why is it not in jouyou?

Also, try to guess at its stroke order before looking it up - I failed to guess right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448808
Because it's not in the 2000 most commonly used kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L3z8cd7WyQ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448495
Cool site but using English translations as a reference for learners is a terrible idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448855
Hitler failed because he used the wrong stroke order.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448866
He also wrote in the wrong direction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18445815
Why would anybody click that button

[Anonymous No.]

How many learning/new cards do you tend to have at a time, and how long do your reviews take? I figure those two stats combined are a decent way to gauge my own (in)efficiency in maturing cards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448907
Recently took on a regiment of having 10 new cards a day from monday to friday. By friday i might have maybe 30 or 40 review cards but the lowest ive had is 25 which im pretty proud of. Reviews may take 5 to 10 minites really depends on my mood.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448907
I have 0 learning cards and my reviews take 0 minutes

You're welcome

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448907
20 new cards long term, about 200-300 reviews a day. 30-40 minutes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448907
>>18448937
To be more clear, I didn't mean review cards in a single review, but how many cards in your whole deck are "Young+Learn" at the bottom of your stats page.
That sounds so refreshing compared to the hundreds per review I'm used to, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448958
125 young and 335 mature

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448907
30 to 50 cards depending on my mood and pending reviews.
About 300-400 reviews on average.
Like an hour, if it's any more than that I tend to get exhausted and even with pending reviews I'll just fuck off and go play/read something instead.

>>18448958
Oh. 1577 out of 3150 are young+learn. Sometimes I tend to review kanji I already know just because it takes me more than 3 seconds to answer the card correctly, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448861
Elaborate? I'm very early into this journey, ~day 29/800 words

it's not uncommon for me to read something and just be way off. at some point I have to tie myself back to reality, right? with yotsuba it started with single bubbles and grew to a few panels to several pages-- yomi lookups are often enough. the witch show is pretty dense in unknown which makes things a bit closer to one or two bubbles

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448958
Young+Learn: 2114

[Anonymous No.]

Flashcard addicts need to stay in the floorboards

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449166
what the fuck censor that shit

[Anonymous No.]

dont really understand how i should be using the DOJG deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449205
You shouldn't be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449205
Get the one with ~600 cards, not the autistic 5000 cards one.
You're supposed to read the book first, and use the cards to make sure you don't forget it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449220
oh okay thanks

[Anonymous No.]

What you're supposed to do is use the 5000 cards one as a easy way to lookup grammar points, since anki has a search function

Don't actually try to memorize a grammar dictionary you troglodytes

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449238
Why wouldn't you memorize grammar?
Are you going to look up every weird looking sentence structure you read in your fucking anki deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449238
makes sense may do that too

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449238
Why would you EVER use anki for this purpose?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449260
Because it works? It's more effective than using the pdf
Plus it's literally what the deck was made for, don't blame me

>>18449252
>Why wouldn't you memorize grammar?
I'm not telling you not to memorize grammar. I'm telling you not to memorize a grammar dictionary.
Memorizing grammar happens through input.
Learning all this grammar in theory is like reading a book on how to play tennis. You might see a few tips that set you in the right direction but there's a certain hard limit you're not going to get past until you actually play the fucking sport. Trying to memorize the book beforehand is a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449295
Hey, at least it's not a food analogy.
DOJG, even the "advanced" book covers grammar that you will most likely meet fairly often. It's something that you should definitely learn.

Btw, did you even read DOJG? It's not like a dictionary, it's similar to a grammar textbook.
It gives you a grammar element, then there's a page or two of explanations, a lot of example sentences, etc.
You don't use it as a dictionary, you can learn from it by reading it cover to cover just like you would with Genki or whatever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449252
Memorizing grammar is different from memorizing a grammar dictionary. Being able to recite a definition doesn't mean that you understand its usage. You're only going to learn grammar by reading, and you're still going to have to look up examples even of shit you memorized when the usage isn't completely straight-forward, so many people consider memorizing 600 cards in the first place to be a waste of time that gives a false sense of progress.
It isn't completely useless, but it's far more useful for being a human dictionary than for understanding Japanese, similar to studying kanji readings.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449327
>You don't use it as a dictionary
Nearly everyone but you does.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449329
The DOJG deck gives you an example sentence, with the grammar element that you should identify being highlighted. It DOES teach you to understand grammar in context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449338
Stop speaking in the name of "nearly everyone". The DOJG anki decks are popular for a reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449238
Too late.

If you do it make sure to get rid of the cloze cards though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449365
fuck off back to discord with your anki stats, nobody gives a shit blogposter

>>>/a/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449357
flash cards are popular but heres there dirty little secret knowing japanese is not lol

if it was more people would just do that

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449502
just read more bro, even if you don't understand what's written

your brain will condense all you read and decrypt the kanji while you sleep

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449430
Posted that just to get you mad, looks like it worked.
I don't have discord and didn't know there was a djt one, nice boogeyman though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449357
What? That's not even related to reading it front to back. In fact, though I'm not personally into grammar cards, they're closer to the effect of repeatedly using DOJG as a dictionary when you run into something you forgot, in the sense that they are repeated exposure to individual entries out of order as you start to forget them.

[Anonymous No.]

Funny, do a word search for Discord and there is one anon telling half the posters to go back to it. What’s up with that exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

I do the yotsuba reading pack vocab anki cards before reading and I can understand almost anything. I feel proud but I wonder if that's somehow cheating? If I haven't gone that far on anki and there are words I didn't see on it I don't remember and have to check the vocab pdf. My biggest problem is probably verb conjugations. It feels a bit like cheating having to depend on it to read but of course I'm an absolute beginner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449604
Looks like it's one of those people who failed at Anki venting. Poor thing.

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys think about reading through kklc like a book and not using anki for it? I feel like anki would take way too much time and I already know like 2100 words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449817
How about you read a real book with all those words instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449817
What are you hoping to gain from doing this?

[Anonymous No.]

What do you guys think about eating grammar reference books?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449817
Every one who doesn't know all jouyou by heart would benefit from reading through kklc once - it will not be waste of time.
You will gain a good deal of familiarity with kanji and it will be easier to learn vocab after doing that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449880
What good is reading through it once? It's useless unless you're going to practice it, and that's going to take months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18448907
20 new a day
5596 young/learn
1147 average reviews a day
hour and a half a day average
8822 matures and dropping again

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449877
I prefer wiping my ass with them instead of eating

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449828
I already read every day I just was wondering if that would be a beneficial use of time without spending 100s of hours on going through it on anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18430788
I think this man needs to first learn how to walk normally.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18432591
俺ってさ
ドイツに引っ越したい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449995
移民じゃないなら就業時間は平均よりはるか増えるけど…

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450028
そういえばドイツのニートになりたい。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449960
Yes but so would pretty much anything
Reading a real book more so

[Anonymous No.]

So I've been trying to improve my reading speed these last few months. Following advice from a thread from last year I'm reading as fast as I can, skipping words and grammar that I don't recognize instantly. I don't really understand most of the story this way and I don't see too much improvement. How long do I have to keep this up until I get good at reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450110
You're not going to get good at reading if you skip over the parts you most need to improve on. Move on quickly when you can't understand something after giving it a little thought, but don't shut off your brain completely.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450110
>Following advice from a thread from last year I'm reading as fast as I can, skipping words and grammar that I don't recognize instantly.
judging from the 'comprehensible input' notion, thats a very bad way to approach acquisition
the more you do a thing, the more efficient the brain will make that process
but that 'thing' has to be categorized as a wholly consistent entity, and what you're doing is far from consistent

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450110
You don't skip everything you don't fully understand immediately, you skip what you spend a bit of time on and maybe look up part of and still don't understand. How the fuck do you learn anything new otherwise?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449220
wait if this is the case should i use the TK deck after reading TK because i just finished it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450349
no just use this while reading
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

[Anonymous No.]

wasn't there a site where you could scrible the kanji and it would find it? Someone know what I mean?

Also how do you guys get pumped up for a study seasion after work? Skiped a few times recently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450468
Google?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450512
Guide resource list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450512
The handwriting function in google translate.

That site is probably good enough too as long as you know how stroke order works.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450493
It requires giving money to censored and western VNs, saying you wish for more of that to be produced.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450566
>針金を曲げて鎖とし
>bending wire to fix chain mail
What is this とし at the end there?
Is it short for として or something else?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450586
>Is it short for として or something else?
It's not short for it, it's just the plain 連用形 of する

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450566
It's in the resource list, just very few people who ask questions actually read the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450750
>what exactly are your motives here I don't get it
I don't know anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450775
i would probably copy the list to pastebin then just yomi all of the words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18447406
>Did any anons here just force read a visual novel after learning hiragana and katakana?
Mem "just le read" gone too far.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450850
Do you kiss your mother with that mouth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450850
Read porn

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450850
Just lean them when you come across them.
http://jisho.org/search/いく in your meaning should mean "to cum". And what you wrote is just いく +　そう that means "about to come". Maybe you should read grammar books first.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450883
Yeah I know my conjugation knowledge is still shit. I'm heavily reliant on jisho telling me what form it is if it isn't something simple like ない/じゃない/ている form.

[Anonymous No.]

Ah, do you smell that stench in the air, /djt/? It's ever so quite foul--I don't think even braapfags would like this. Oh my, this is a smell I know well. Yes, I'm sure many of you do, too.

It's the stench of cowardice and failure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450941
epic surprise box my man

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451138
Does it cover more stuff than TK? Because I don't see a point in buying it otherwise

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451102
a 3rd nuke could've prevented this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451102
Shitty VN desu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18449711
That's not cheating, thats learning the language. This ain't a fucking test.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451349

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451399
Muramasa is the best VN while DI is shit so. it's harder to translate because it's closely tied up with japanese history but dies irae is just pretentious writing.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451359
なに食べたい

[Anonymous No.]

Is cramming forgotten cards and then doing your reps a couple of hours later defeating the purpose of anki? Like, say you cram at 1am, and your cards reset at 3am. Would it be more beneficial for your memory to do them at 3am or when you wake up the next day?

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have any "how to learn English" books in Japanese? I'm curious about their perspective.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451683
ten bucks says shes on the front cover

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451683

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451683

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451525
ちんげんさい

えいごでなんていうのかはしらない

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451683
...or seriously

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451713
>えいごでなんていうのかはしらない
英語で
捨てる

[Anonymous No.]

English was one of my poorest subjects but thanks to this textbook my English ability gradually improved and I was able to pass successfully the university entrance exam 15 years ago. t.nip

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451921
ほとんど

それしかやらないとおもうよ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451758
大学受験生（ふつうは、高校3年生）
ネットで適当に拾っただけだからentire book どころかtitleも知らないよ
こういう試験問題がゴール

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451981
なるほど。ありがとうございます。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451906
Those e.g. sentences are absolute AIDS though

[Anonymous No.]

>>18451952
そんな事は無駄だと思う

[Anonymous No.]

>>18450468
Having to study after work is basically kill. These faggots can do it because they are either underage or don't work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18452377
You need conviction.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18452592
>>18452719
t.NEETs

not judging fucking wish I was NEET.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18452762
its pretty awesome, i'd never trade my free time for money
this way I can keep adding value to myself in small amounts over time(new languages, programming) and eventually make money that way

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>>18452825
NEETs actually believe this. You're funny.

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>>18452836
so you believe i will fail?

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>>18452836
I'm making money that way, so it's possible.

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>>18452762
I'm not a NEET. I actually had far less energy to accomplish things when I was.

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>>18452860
Japanese people don't work that much. You fell for it

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>>18452860
How did you manage to live there and what do you work with

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>>18452898
So they work 8 hours a day. Isn't that the average for western countries anyway? And if they go more than that it's their fault for not completing the tasks during the time.

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>>18452925
仕事意味

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>>18452949
それ極端な例でしょう

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>>18452910
It's more they're expected to do that. A. they are given various situations at various times like meetings that are scheduled in such a way that it goes over 40 hours of work.
B. it's so much work they can't possibly complete it in 40 hours
C. They're dropped things at the end of the work day. This one happens to me all the time but I'm an westerner who will complain about working past my times and don't care if I'm let go since

>>18452879
English teaching, pretty meh but it's enjoyable at times. You just need a Bachelors and you can find a job.

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>>18452972
Is a bachelor's valid for any other area, as, for example, engineering? I'm not american, I'm actually Brazilian but I have been an engineer for the Brazilian army for eight years. I got a pretty decent amount of cash and I have been investing so I have more or less 1,5 million Brazilian reais in my bank account, which isn't much in dollars, basically 500k but that's because the dollar's been expensive here since we are in an economic crisis. Well, do you think I could be hired there and work for a big company? Or maybe I could get a citizenship easier as I have assets and money (that's the word the dictionary gave me, but I mean like property and car that are registered in your name and you have to pay tax over it) here as a house and car.

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>>18453040
By area I mean field. STEM, in my case.

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what's a good jap-jap online dictionary?

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>>18453040
Well I probably should've mentioned the native speaker thing, sorry man. Even though it's certainly possible to teach from a non native country with connections. Sounds like you're better off since, you're an engineer with a good background and assets from a country Japan has very good relations with I think you could find a job as an engineer which is a field very in demand. You're probably somebody much more useful to them than I am. The visa english teachers get is actually the same as the ones for engineers which is the easiest one they give out to the best of my knowledge. Best advice I can give is check out gaijinpot, other job websites and job websites in Japanese if your skills are there. But

>Engineer
>Brazil
>Money in the bank

I think you're pretty good to go dude. To the best of my knowledge unless you're doing big business it's all about the job and not buying cars/real estate. Even though real estate would certainly help.

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>>18453119
>Brazil
but Japs don't like mudskins, sorry

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>>18453040
>citizenship
oh yea this takes at least 5 years of living in Japan and writing skills in Japanese along with a plethora of other things. If you can do 10 years here you get permanent residency which sounds like less of a hassle if you plan on living here long long term.

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>>18453142
>he doesn't know about the relationship between Japan and Brazil
and you're on /jp/? They prefer Brazil to most other Asian countries.

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>>18453174
I know about the connection. Doesn't mean Japs from mainland don't look down on the BR Japs.

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>>18453183
>Japanese people look down on anything other than 100% Japanese people
no shit

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Anyone know if it's possible to change the font used by KanjiTomo? The default one it uses is horrible at displaying dakuten/handakuten, but I haven't been able to find any means of changing it.

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>>18453183
Why would they look down on me if I had a good job there as an engineer and spoke Japanese? Also, I am not bad looking at all. Some more extreme otaku might not like me but I'm pretty sure Japanese people are generally well educated and I even know a Brazilian who lives there as an English teacher and married a Japanese woman.

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>have pretty good comprehension of spoken Japanese
>when reading miss absolutely basic shit all the time
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>>18453142

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>>18453809
americuck