DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1887

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, Japanese video games, etc.

Read the Guide linked below before asking how to learn Japanese:
http://djtguide.neocities.org/
Check the Cornucopia of Resources before asking where to download X or Y:
https://djtguide.neocities.org/cor.html

Previous thread: >>18389214

[Anonymous No.]

Reading goblinslayer LN.
For most of it it refers to a character as 鉱人道士, but at two points it switches to 鉱人導師.
Is that just a missclick of autocomplete?
Are they common in LNs?
Or modern books/articles/games in general?
(One would think editors would check for those)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18398403
I'm a beginner, where should I start?

[Maki No.]

I failed..but I'm going to Japan in early 2019 so hopefully ill actually learn it this time .__.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18398757
https://www.4chan.org/rules
Posting pointless shit for a thread bump isn't a good way to start. The other thread will be deleted eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

Who's better at Japanese, Dogen or Matt?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18398769
In what way did you fail?

[Maki No.]

>>18398825
Idk Japanese and I started coming here august 9th 2014.

I still suck like n3 or n4..I can't understand anything I'm listening too. My reading is ok I guess. I can kinda understand final fantasies and all of that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18398800
Is this even a question?
>dude married to a japanese wife, has been studying japanese since his teens, has written prose in japanese, has a perfect japanese accent, lives in japan
vs
>manchild virgin weaboo who spends most of his time on the internet masturbating to anime porn and telling other people that they're learning japanese wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>18398433
When I was reading Overlord, I encountered a similar thing. ナザリック is usually referred to as the 地下大墳墓, but at several points it showed up as 大地下墳墓 instead. There was also an instance where the main character was referred to as アインズ way before he had actually changed his name to that he was supposed to still be called モモンガ. It seems quality control isn't very good when it comes to this medium.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18398769
>>18398843
Please fuck off, attention whore.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw read Japanese for so long that the words just start to slur together
Remember to take breaks, lads.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18398403
Source of the motif used in the op image: https://nhentai.net/g/177451/ (last page).

[Maki No.]

>>18398879
All according to keikaku. Thanks for the (You).

[Anonymous No.]

Man those fucking example sentences.

https://tatoeba.org/eng/sentences/show/153280
私は彼女の考えを見通した。
"I read anger in her face."

What's the real meaning of this sentence? Cause I don't know where they read anything about anger here.

[Anonymous No.]

How would you pronounce 「雹落」?　ひょうおちる? ひょうらく？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399105
https://twitter.com/cametek/status/501584634979688448
This?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399105
https://twitter.com/cametek/status/501584634979688448

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399133
>>18399143
Yeah, that's what it was from. For compound words like that (that aren't in a dictionary), I assume there isn't any rule or anything? I've noticed a lot of song titles have unusual kanji combinations in them, so the reading is pretty much up to whatever the creator says it is, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399051
I suppose anger was implied in the original context that the sentence came from.

Be careful with those Tatoeba Project example sentences though:
http://www.manythings.org/corpus/warningtatoeba.html

You're better off using the example sentences from the 研究社 新和英大辞典 EPWING dictionary (see the CoR and resources page), or, less preferably, the プログレッシブ和英中辞典 ( https://dic.yahoo.co.jp/ | https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/en/ ).

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399160
The person wanted it to be read as はくらく so maybe a play on 剥落. 当て字 and all that jazz.

[Anonymous No.]

Reading KKLC for the first time. I'm 230 kanji in and whilst it remains fairly easy to recall the meanings of characters, I'm having a bit of trouble recalling their readings. Should I just skip the readings of the kanji and only focus on their meanings?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399294
Why would you study the reading intensely?
Read it, and if it sticks with you, neat, but if it doesn't, whatever. It's better to learn the readings of entire words.

[Anonymous No.]

どう勘違いしたら子供扱いってことになるのよ

Does this mean something like "No matter what misunderstanding he has, he'll think I'm treating him like a child."? The どう勘違いしたら is messing me up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399201
Yeah I know tatoeba is shit, but those dictionary entries aren't really example sentences.

I don't want an explanation what the word means, I want to see how it is used in a sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399362
AJATT told me to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399294
Don't work hard to remember the readings.
Still do read them out. If they stick - great, if they don't - fine.

With an exception for those that share a radical and an onyomi:
Take a peak into appendix if you havn't already - carefully read through the article part of "Regular on-yomi groups" to understand how that works - KKLC does a good work of grouping together kanji that share both the onyomi and the phonetic component - memorizing that 召 is しょう you get the onyomi of 劭招沼昭紹詔照韶 for free.

Though if they do not stick - don't force it, you'll get onyomis eventually through reading.

Appendix 4 is also great

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399395
wadai (the kenkyuusha j-e dictionary) has example sentences for very common words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399294
Only recall readings through vocab. The only reason you would ever want to recall readings from lone kanji is if you're trying to pass kanji kentei, which is not learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399422
Going to reiterate this, even if you don't want to do kanji study (I mean, kanji study has a lot of problems), doing a casual skim over KKLC can be very mentally rewarding.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399395
>but those dictionary entries aren't really example sentences.
Did you even try looking at them before posting this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399456
they probably only ever used it for uncommon words, which don't have example sentences

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399465
>they probably only ever used it for uncommon words
I doubt someone who needed an example sentence for one of the words in "私は彼女の考えを見通した" is in a position where they need to look up uncommon words.

But in my experience, even quite a lot of uncommon words will have at least one example sentence for them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399510
>uncommon
>top 15k

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399514
>innocent corpus

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399514
>top 15k
I can't see any frequency reference in the image, where did that number come from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399526
Nope, visual novel analysis.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399533
What is that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399552
It's linked somewhere in a site linked somewhere in the OP

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399558
That's cool, I just wanted to know what it was, since it was being referred to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399533
By who? Using what tools? How many VNs did they analyse?

In any case, the exact same problems that the Innocent Corpus has apply. VNs are hardly representative of the Japanese language in general, and could be made even less representative depending on which ones were analysed (esp. if there's a lot of chuunige shit in there).

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399577
The resource guide has a link that goes to another neocities site, which has a link to a different site, which links to a couple of frequency lists.

>>18399583
I think all frequency lists have that problem, you even get way different lists from taking speech samples from different reasons, it's not worth having an argument about. Just have tons of different resources made from different kinds of writing, so people interested in different things can look at different sources. Or even cross reference.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399600
from different regions*

[Anonymous No.]

I need to get XP and shit like that to motivate myself, so I picked up duolingo and it teaches me the reading of kanjis by itself and when used in sentences, yet it reads out a kanji for 7, and then when Im asked to write it its something else, in this case なな. So should I just learn kanjis used in words by the side?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399626
It is impossible to learn the language with duolingo.
At most - the best you can expect is to learn about the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399600
>The resource guide has a link that goes to another neocities site, which has a link to a different site, which links to a couple of frequency lists.
Yeah that's cool but I'm not spending an hour link diving to figure out something you could spend a minute explaining beyond a reference. Anyhow I've got reps to do so it doesn't really matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399626
Duolingo isn't really a learning resource. It's more of a toy to get you interested in the learning process in the first place. It's hot garbage for anything other than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399634
I learned basics multiple times through the years now, I like testing it there, I will pick up studying it normally after I get back into it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399626
Don't push yourself too hard!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399638
I think he's probably talking about this:
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Frequency%20lists
( old version: https://vnscripts.neocities.org/freq.html )

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399649
>20 minutes is insane
What the fuck. They could at least try to pretend they are serious about language learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399649
>>18399687
>tfw takes me 30-40 minutes a day just to do my reps
I must be a fucking lunatic

[Anonymous No.]

>ご贔屓ご鞭撻のほどを
Polite language will be the bane of me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399711
STOP are you literally out of your mind?!?!?
Are you literally a native Japanese!!!!?
Think of your mental health!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399443
>>18399456
Ups sorry didn't know it had example sentences, I thought it was like the daijirin dictionary.

Where do I go for uncommon words though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399761
You can do a full text search or resort to google. Once you're on uncommon words you shouldn't need translations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399711
I'll double down you on that mate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399779
I am become ankidrone, the destroyer of decks


I don't intend to do all the cards now though, they're mined stuff that piled up over a few busy days.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399800
Yeah, to be fair, some of my cards are me still doing some reviewing of Hiragana and Katakana given that I started with all this not that long ago (mainly recall since I have recognition pretty much nailed down but suck at recall) and kana cards are pretty simple. But I also started learning kanji through vocabulary just a couple of days ago and it's pretty exhausting to get used to the different parts that may compose a kanji, let alone words with more than one kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a place I can get anime with english and japanese subs? I find it more engaging than written media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400043
http://kitsunekko.net/
inb4 he starts shilling

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400068
much appreciated

[Anonymous No.]

Hi guys I've been learning Japanese for about 8 months now. I know hiragana and some katana, I was wondering if I should finish learning all the kana before moving on to the next thing, thanks.

And any tips on what I should study next please

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400132
nigger what
you can learn all the kana in one day

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400132
At least reset your router before shitposting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400189
Not everybody has a 150+ IQ.

[Anonymous No.]

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1517958377445.webm

she says

ひゃくとおばん instead of ひゃくじゅう

My question is...
why? Why is she using the Kun'yomi reading here?

[Anonymous No.]

is this something only a kid would say

very new

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400293
because fuck you that's how it is
http://jisho.org/search/ひゃくとおばん

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400305
that explained absolutely fucking nothing.
I want to know WHY.

Is it Kunyomi because it's the Japanese police number, and so that helps create a relation?

Fucking hell, I'm turboautism I NEED to know why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400299
Those letters look higher resolution than the image, like they were added after the scan and even after compression.

What scan is that from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400340
>Fucking hell, I'm turboautism I NEED to know why.
Language is not math, there are exceptions and things you just need to suck up because they do not follow the rules.

For trivia reasons feel free to google the source of why it is pronounced this way, but it should not be particularly important to the language learning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400340
dunno but she makes my wee wee tingle

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400365
http://bilingualmanga.com/manga/Yotsubato/chapter-2/10-1

very very convenient since I can directly yomi mine

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400367
>For trivia reasons feel free to google the source of why it is pronounced this way

I'm horrible at googling, could you please give me a link or just tell me why?

This particular thing bothered me for some reason and the jisho link does not contain any trivia. I understand what you mean by exceptions and all that, it's a fair point, I just thought this was intriguing for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400372
this site uses unofficial transcriptions and they contain errors, be careful

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400389
yeah ive spotted a few, I have the reading guide to cross reference new words against just in case

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399383
>どう勘違いしたら子供扱いってことになるのよ
-> どのような勘違いが、Xに、Y=子供扱い だと考えさせる のか？
who is X and what is Y depend on the context

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400383
>https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/110番#ひゃくとおばん
>110番の読み方は「ひゃくとおばん」である。この読み方が世間に広まったきっかけは、日本で最初の刑事ドラマとされる連続ドラマ『ダイヤル110番』オープニングの警察官のセリフである。
So if I'm reading this right, it's literally coming from an old TV show https://youtu.be/g7nN4mvV6lk

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400370
制服フェチか

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400293
ひゃくじゅう has another meaning

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400340
Why are '11' and '12' - 'eleven' and 'twelve' but other 1x numbers are all '-teen'?

Fucking hell, I'm turboautism I NEED to know why.

Mockery aside - I just googled ひゃくとおばん ひゃくじゅうばん together and found the following in a yahoo-answer
>聞き間違われるのを防ぐために
Guess it is sorta-kinda like why military says niner instead of nine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400474
>>18400340
Also consider that for 911 you do not say nine-hundreed-eleven, but nine-nine-one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400506
>but nine-nine-one
you just let the baby drown, the house burn down, AND the burglar get away with all your manga + figures

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400521
Doh

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400416
>>18400474
Thanks a lot guys!

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, I have a problem. I've been using Anki for something like 4 months and recently, the new cards got really hard: 15 new kanjis or more in one setting, abstract concepts, etc. Maybe it's just me. But earlier today, I checked one of this new words in Jisho and found it was an N1 level. Is it normal? I am thinking about lowering the daily new cards count to 10.

[Anonymous No.]

When you guys do anki how do you deal with kanji that have multiple meanings and pronunciations? Do you just try and recite all the meanings and pronunciations for it that you can remember?

For instance 円 is yen and circle, but it has two separate cards and I don't know which is which until I hit show answer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400639
For cards like that, I merge them onto the one, and recall both for it when it shows up
if I fail either, its a failed card

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400638
>checked one of this new words in Jisho and found it was an N1 level. Is it normal?
Yeah its japanese/10
>I am thinking about lowering the daily new cards count to 10.
why, are you getting lower than 60% retention? I fail to see your problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400638
If you're struggling, yeah, lowering new card count will help, but you should aim to return it to 15-20 mark asap.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400651
Japanese/10 made me laugh. I was just asking myself if getting such "advanced" words this early was normal in the "classic Anki timeline", if you wish.

About the new cards count, it's because it sometimes feel like a trafic jam inside my brain. I am always blocked on the same words. Felt like it could be good to make some space, but I've never fallen below 70% retention. Maybe I just need to work more.

[Maki No.]

If you don't work at least 60 hours a week at your job you are not truly a weeb but a huge poser who wants to go to Japan because women laugh at you in america.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400685
>having a job
moshi moshi baitu desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400685
Fuck off, namefag.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400677
>if getting such "advanced" words this early was normal in the "classic Anki timeline", if you wish.
There is no such thing. There are words, and there is your lack of knowledge. You know them or you dont.
>but I've never fallen below 70% retention.
If you are getting any leeches, look them up on google.jp images, it helps sometimes if the words isn't too abstract a concept
Otherwise you can try a custom review session at the end of the day, and tell it to 'review forgotten cards for the last 2 days'.

Basically do anything you can before reducing new cards per day, memonics, better sleep, modafinil.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone know what tf this means?

[Anonymous No.]

Am I a retard?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400734
That's not Japanese. That's just a corrupted error message.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400719
Thank you for your advice! Will do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400740
Yes, but you're among friends.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400742
clearly it isn't japanese
how do I make VNs work with ganoo

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400751
th-thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400734
I broke into ur computer kid

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400775
o noes

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone want to give me a quick rundown on actual Japanese classes taught by actual professional Japanese teachers? Anyone ever take one? Worth the money or no?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400734
I'm just making a guess here, but error messages with invalid text probably indicate that the app is not running with the japanese codepage, probably codepage 932 (shift-jis). On the other hand, Hanahira seems new enough that it would just use unicode, so I may be off base. In any case, I am not very familiar with wine, but I would guess you need to do something involving wineloc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400734
I couldn't ever get Hanahira to run under Wine. In any case, if you're running something Japanese then you should use "LANG=ja_JP.UTF-8 wine" (this is equivalent to having your system locale set to Japanese in Windows). You need to generate a Japanese locale (ja_JP.UTF-8) for your distro before hand in order for this to work though (you can have multiple locales enabled so don't disable the en_US.UTF-8 one or whatever your default one is). See:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Locale#Generating_locales

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400801
no

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400734
>>18400844
You're on debian, use `dpkg-reconfigure locales`instead of following what the arch wiki says.

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw you finish your first novel in Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

progress, I suppose
I'm going to see if it's a font problem

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400801
I took one in university. You only go as fast as the stupidest person in the room.

1-on-1 tutor or forget about it imo

[Anonymous No.]

How to deal with a game that keeps spamming text on all buffers?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18399447
Readings from lone kanji isn't a section on the kanken. There's only one section that tests readings and it uses vocab words in full sentences.

The only level where I can see readings being useful is 1-kyu because literally everyone who takes it encounters words they've never seen before. If you see new words at 2-kyu or below (excluding 四字熟語) your japanese knowledge is questionable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401055
It looks like one but it shouldn't be considering some of the Japanese text there shows up just fine. Try installing the IPA fonts and if it still doesn't work then it's not a font issue.

Oh, one thing, I've found sometimes with Wine that, rather than changing directory into the .exe folder, it's better to give the full path to the .exe in your terminal emulator instead. Dunno why, but give it a shot and see if you have any luck that way.

[Anonymous No.]

My first month of learning is behind me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401213
did you mess with the steppings?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401213
キレイな赤色ですね

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401213
lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401213
Study radicals or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401213
Why are you pressing Easy more often than you're pressing Good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401255
If it's easy I'm 90% confident I will get it right in days to come
>>18401228
why?
>>18401250
This actually is what I'm going to do, any good sources?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401309
Well, I only press easy when the answer comes to my head immediately after seeing the card and I'm sure I wouldn't forget it even in weeks to come.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401309
90% is too low for Easy. It should be 99%. Treat it as a "delete" button for cards that are so easy you aren't sure why they're even in your deck.

If Good isn't your most pressed button you're doing it wrong, regardless of level.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401213
>massive increase in new
>followed by massive burst of relearn
>followed by whoops lowered new
10/10 loving every laugh

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401213
What story does this graph tell?

[Anonymous No.]

Will my listening ever improve

Feels bad man

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a good idea to study some of the nanori of kanji? Or should I just ignore that shit, whether until later or completely?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401618
nah. You'll pick up the common ones automatically if you have a good memory and if you don't it's not a big deal unless you plan to live in japan.

it should be a low priority compared to everything else you should be doing

[Anonymous No.]

call me a quitter but it works
this OS is a pile of trash btw

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401719
Virtual machines are always the best solution for those kind of problems. Should have gone for that earlier.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401719
>>18401746
Been thinking of partitioning since I pretty much only use Windows for Uni, how's the average VN on Linux? Can most of them even be run without a VM?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401719
LOL

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401760
Not to be that guy, but linux is a kernel. GNU is an OS. And no, wine is pretty bad, you're better off running them natively like the other guy said.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401803
Fuck off RMS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401850
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX. Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called “Linux”, and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project. There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine’s resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called “Linux” distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401803
>Not to be that guy, but linux is a kernel. GNU is an OS.
Right.
>And no, wine is pretty bad, you're better off running them natively like the other guy said
Figures.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401857
おいしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401760
yes, wine is pretty good nowadays, most of my VNs work in it

[Anonymous No.]

I'm assuming this means "nui" but it looks like a single character. Is it kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401918
pretty sure it's an overlapping ヌ and イ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401973
works for me, thanks

[Anonymous No.]

Tsukihime is getting a remake, and I don't know if I should wait for that, or read the original, or even if I need to read it before fate/stay night
>>18402179
wtf is that thing

[Anonymous No.]

What dialect is ずら from?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402248
these look like toddlers to you? 頭大丈夫?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402291
Original is good. You can play it and you'll probably forget most of it by the time the remake comes out an eternity later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402227
>Tsukihime is getting a remake
Not any time soon

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401746
>>Virtual machines are always the best solution for those kind of problems.
Not in my experience. They eat a ridiculous amount system's resources (I can't play any with a higher resolution than 800x600 on mine without it overheating my computer), and because VMs can't into DirectX a lot of VNs won't work (partly or entirely) on them anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402340
>VMs can't into DirectX
Hello what drugs are you on

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402358
you missed a spot

[Anonymous No.]

>>18398757
genki textbook

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402270
why did you cut the end short?

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw learning kanji gets easier and easier every day

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402227
You shouldn't read either. The Nasuverse is shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402451
I remember it being formatted differently with one big dark page labeled (offline archive) that you could click that would take you to a page with everything sorted. Guess that just got reformatted then.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402465
Damn my shit taste.

[Anonymous No.]

what do i do with synonyms in core deck

i wanna die when i answer and its the other card

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402446

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402588
>英語

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402446
スケッチブック
Full of puns, highly recommend it.

>>18402459
https://djtarchive.neocities.org/bunpou/full_day.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402623
I saved it from here a while back. I think it comes from Sketchbook if you want to try hunting down the raw version. I can't be bothered though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402633
https://mega.nz/#F!RM4jQI7a!YdgqxrPcQeRnpHIqK2rsHQ

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>>18402631
>そげなん
the fuck dialect is this? kansai?

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>>18402643
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/博多弁

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>>18402683
その精液悪魔はだれ？

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>>18402683
You get used to it after a while.

>>18402719
http://www.ronax.net/hakata/lesson06.htm
例文（博多弁）
>ひろし：そげな話聞いとらんばい！
訳
>ひろし：そんな話聞いてないよ！。
解説続き
このように、「こげな」「そげな」「あげな」「どげな」はそれぞれ 「こんな」「そんな」「あんな」「どんな」となります。 ただし場合によっては発音が「こげなん」「そげなん」等といったように 語尾に「ん」がつくことがあります。この場合も意味は「こんな」 「そんな」等となりますが、さらに場合によっては途中の「な」が省略 され、「こげん」「そげん」等となることがあります。この場合の意味も やはり「こんな」「そんな」等なのですが、前にでてきた「こげん」 「そげん」等と発音は全く同じなので、初めての人にはどちらの意味か わかりにくいでしょう。その場合は前後の文脈から判断して下さい。

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>>18402383
you gotta install guest additions

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>>18402753
That doesn't answer my question. It's just repeating the info that the Wikipedia page has, but in more detail.

「そんな？」 seems like an unnatural/unfitting response to what the other girl is saying. Can you even use 「そんな」 on its own as a question?

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>>18402818
Guest Additions is not DirectX. It is a hack using d3d libraries from Wine to try and perform the Direct3D hardware acceleration that some programs (games, VNs, etc.) call for, but, being a hack, in many cases it doesn't work properly or at all. VMs are not made with playing games in mind.

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>>18402872
<50% = forgetting more than you're learning

I add my own cards manually once per week so I know I'm not regressing.

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>>18402821
yeah?

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>>18402350
>>18402818
If you're not using something that actually simulates 3d acceleration hardware, which virtualbox/vmware don't, you're going to have serious compatibility problems with any remotely unpopular programs using DirectX. Hell, you're going to have problems with GL programs that use stuff that's not supported by your drivers.

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>>18402821
そんなものですか？

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足が自分のものなのか疑いたくなるほど震え
Is this "My feet/legs are trembling more than I thought possible" or "My feet/legs trembling so much I question if they are even mine"? Or am I completely off? I think it's the second one but the "のものなのか" is throwing me off.

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>>18402853
>>18402898
yea makes sense now that i think about it.
you should increase the video memory of your machine, that fixed the overheating and sluggishness for me.

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>>18403026
自分のもの = mine
なのか = whether

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>>18403150
woops. missed the ほど in the last one
*疑いたくなるほど震え

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>>18403026
ごめんなさいおにいちゃん

ちょっとまちがった

さむくないかもしれない

>>18403129
>なのか

えいごにするのはとてもむずかしい

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>>18403021
do

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やばい、めっちゃ溜まってる
もう１時間もこのままでいたら誰かをレイプしそう…

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>>18403236
一緒に抜こ

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dont think anyone cares but i thought id mention that i dropped writing a month and a half, or 2 ago and havent really had any worse retention

that said I did have a some engrained habits and radical recognition built up when I did write about 1000 kanji and I without a doubt feel like that's helped me a lot with remembering them.

[Anonymous No.]

Any tips or decent resources on helping to attain perfect accent?

I'm going to work on it from now on but I really don't have any ideas on what to do other than record myself, compare it to native speakers and try and fix stuff that sounds wrong.

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>>18403294
"I read shounen manga written for 4th graders": the post

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>>18403321
It's absurdly common anon.

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>>18403278
sugoi anon
post 言偏の漢字 as far as you can

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>>18403364
オレ is a stylization found in native media. Native media is made for native speakers. Writing a word in katakana doesn't make it any easier to understand. Do you really think that there are enough native speakers who can't read the exact same word in kanji for the word to become 'dumbed down' into katakana? Do you really think that native writers are dumbing down their own language for people who speak the exact same language? Writing some words in katakana is extremely common, it is just stylization. It is just like saying that the word 'car' is for children, and that 'automobile' is used by adults, and that you are not an adult if you use it. It is the same word you dumb fuck, if you can understand automobile, then you can probably understand car also

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>>18403278
How were you implementing writing in to what I assume is your Anki reps to begin with? Were you writing every card, did you have production cards, etc.?

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>>18403414
i used another program that had production forms of the cards, not sure how you can do it with anki without making some cards or something.

i used kana only i think but if I didnt know that hint alone due to similar words id check meaning too to confirm

>>18403374
i cant, i just recognize radicals instead of everything being a giant blob of strokes

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>>18403414
Not him but I've just set the front of my cards to display key words and then I just write them out before flipping it. I proceed if I got it right and do some reps if I got something wrong.
Well, that's about 10% of the time when I get too salty about the quality of my handwriting.

Remaining 90% I do the same but with my finger in the pocket or something. But it's important to teach yourself to not flip until you have completely visualized all of it's elements and stroke order in your head.

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Ｎ３もってるおにいちゃんいっしょによんでみよう

>総務省消防庁は１４日夕、大雪による
>死亡者が４日以降、計１５人になったと発表した。
>内訳は新潟県で８人、富山県で２人
>福井県で５人。東北と北陸の負傷者は
>重傷６３人、軽傷１７０人の計２３３人に上った。　

といいち　いちばんなくなった都道府県はどこでしょう
といに　重軽傷あわせてなんにんでしょう

[Anonymous No.]

The amount of repeating onyomi is starting to get hard to keep track of, especially when half of them turn out to be "kou". Is there a reliably way to remember all readings?

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>>18403514
This ffs
why does everyone zone in on kanji like its the entire language

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>>18403541
Learning kanji readings, if anything, probably only exacerbates problems like that.

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>>18403485
Like 70% of on readings of kanis are based on parts of kanji, so it's usually extremely easy to remember them. Git gud.

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>>18403471
イマイチ

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>>18403558
Not him but
>native materials that anyone actually gives a shit about
Aka what? Manga and porn games?
>instead of enjoying literally anything else in japanese
Why would you want to read shit in any language? Because, well, katakana instead of kanji (hence extreme informality overall) is a sign of low-quality products and he is indeed right about it. If you read low-quality shit that doesn't mean everyone does and everyone should do it.

[Anonymous No.]

media value is fake actually

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>>>18403558
I should clarify that I'm only talking about katakana in places where you would usually see kanji.

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>>18403578
>Why would you want to read shit in any language?
Well, you're posting on 4chan right now, why don't you tell me?

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>>18403609
Its designed for classrooms and has lots of useless shit to that end
read through TK and then refer back to it and HJGP while reading

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>>18403623
probably the most できない post i've ever read here, ever since we were on /a/
congrats

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>>18403643
>wondering why those brainlets who spent their time reading eroge have a way bigger vocabulary than you
yeah we do but they probably know heaps of minster titles I dont
and think of all the prefecture names... i struggled like hECK on this imouto copypaste >>18403443

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>>18403694
you're either baiting or genuinely beyond salvation. this conversation is over.

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>>18403694
all "normies" who enter the school system and aren't mentalyl retarded understand when to use their and they're. the problem is that phones autocorrect one to the other regardless of whether you swipe over the '.

the rest of your post is literally insincere bait. know that you're fucking retarded for trying to inject """proper""" japanese (which you don't even fucking understand if you think オレ is improper) onto a post about fictional eroticism.

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>>18403716
>and aren't mentalyl retarded understand when to use their and they're
You'd be surprised, most of us on 4chan are pretty smart and live in a bubble where we assume everyone is at least average because we never have to associate with hicks and porch monkeys ourselves. I personally don't know anyone that uses autocorrect. I didn't use autocorrect even back when phones had nine keys to type with.

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>>18403716
俺 in general is improper Japanese that only young rascals use.

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>>18403756
you don't know what improper means

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>>18403642
which bubble do u need help for?

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>>18403443
1.新潟県
2. 233
3. パンツ
4. みせて

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>>18404079
壊れかねない

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>>18403514
Would it be okay to memorize only the meanings of individual kanji so vocabulary, especially words with more than one kanji, get easier to make mnemonics of? Or does that sound stupid?

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>>18404109
That's what I did for several months. I don't think it's a bad idea, definitely helps with remembering words and guessing what new ones mean

You'll end up doing a lot of dictionary digging when you start out either way so whatever gets you reading and recognizing kanji faster is good. Meanings and readings will both take root after enough dictionary digging.

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>>18404114
>>18404102
＞壊れかねない
Oh true that. Gotta pay more attention. Should have considered it since いかん came right before it too
thank you

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>>18403990
It's more on topic than most of this thread. If only more anons like you cared about such things and applied it evenly instead of overlooking a good 200 posts of garbage in order to blow the conch shell and play the voice of reason.
I guess you say that it's kind of hard to care about spilling your drink when the floor is covered in vomit. Keep fighting the good fight though.

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>>18404311
t. Lazy bitch who's too afraid of learning shit proper way

>>18404319
Good for you if you actually did. I'm on a rather quick pace with my Kanji right now, mostly due to the fact that all that previous studying wasn't completely for nothing. So I'll just stick with it till it's over.

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>>18403643
>意味は同じですがニュアンスが少し違うと思います。
1)I said nothing about the meaning, of course it's gonna be the same since
2)「オレ」ちょっと冗談っぽい、軽めの感じ
That's pretty much what I was talking about when I said "informality"
>コメディ映画だと思われると思います。
So it would be considered as something non-serious? Amen.

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S'il te plait, suis la méthode AJATT.

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>>18404439
It is hard.
Use mnemonics, and perhaps more importantly, read KKLC. I don't know why people don't recommend it in the first place, but everything gets a lot easier when you see patterns in kanji as opposed to seeing a bizarre pile of strokes.

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just wait a few years and then you'll be in intermediate hell and everything will be fine

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>>18404617
>Keep going through vocab in anki for a few weeks with 30-60 new cards a day
Not that Anon, but I'm going through Core 2K and I'm fairly new too, and 20 new cards of it today had my brain fried from trying to remember mostly pronunciation. I do fine with meaning, but 30 to 60 cards of pronunciation seems like it'd kill me. Should I just power through anyway and ignore the aneurysm?

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>>18404673
You should actively try to remember readings, but don't click Again even if you get them wrong. You have to keep moving, Clicking Again just sets you back. If you at least have the meaning correct, click Hard. If you have reading click Normal. If you have reading and meaning correct, click Easy. Just don't click Again in the beginning unless you are extremely lost and don't even have the slightest idea of the meaning. When you get to the point where you start to remember vocab easily, only then should you grade yourself more harshly, Just keep moving. Don't bury cards lmao

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>>18404697
You're fucking retarded.

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>>18404704
lol

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>>18404487
If you were - you would type that in japanese

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>>18404686
Alright, thanks Anon. I'll give that a shot and see how it goes. I definitely want to get through Core fast but readings was setting me back.

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>>18404723
People keep saying that but then nobody I know IRL who dos Anki actually does it 100% fair and square. Even if you have a decent memory, going at a 20 card pace without cheating a little will eventually just leave you with 150+ extremely problematic cards every single day. This shit takes 2-5 extremely strainuous hours to cover and that's the time you could have spent reading, learning grammar etc. A.k.a. doing things that improve your Japanese in general, your vocabulary and don't rape your brain to the point where it gets hit with diminishing returns of fatigue.

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>>18404832
>but then why not go with 幼なじみ in text and furigana it as 彼女？
Because then the word being said would be 彼女 instead of 幼なじみ.

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>>18404815
>>18404832
It's a form of advanced chuunibyou that all japanese have
At least you didn't have to read this masterpiece of a line from bakemonogatari
悪魔と遊べば悪魔となる《デヴィル・メイド・デヴィル・アンド・デヴィル》

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>>18404848
Wait, I'm a fucking retard and for some reason didn't think of Nyaa.

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>>18404617
Why must you be such a shitter?
>NO kanji study is bad period no matter to what extent
Have you actually tried it or are you just being an asshole because you learned vocab without it? Please tell me how the ability to identify and differentiate kanji due to recognizing patterns in them is useless. I'm not promoting studying the readings etc intensely, I'm saying associating meaning to kanji through mnemonics helps a lot.
Tell me how I'm wrong, and don't say "its just shit lmao".

Also you're fucking retarded if you recommend 30-60 new cards a day.

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>>18404958
If you read the chain he doesn't even grade his cards correctly. People like that are not worth engaging with seriously. Anyone dumb enough to take their advice deserves to fail.

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>>18404697
If you don't know the reading you don't know the Japanese so you should click again

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>>18405187
That feeling is completely normal and it only goes away with extra time spent reading, not extra time spent with guides or flashcards.

[Anonymous No.]

So.. the difference between
攵 this radical
and the winter radical: 夂

Is that the winter one takes three strokes to write, vs four for the other one?

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>>18405211
うえは４画
したは３画だよ

ぜんぜんちがうよ

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>>18405224
パソコンでよんだら違い難しい。

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a bad idea to start reading before finishing Tae Kim? Should I at least finish the basics/essentials first?

[Anonymous No.]

Something I would find very useful... a dictionary that kept a running history of words you looked up. Each time you look up a new word, that word gets pushed into the stack, which you can set to be different length

ああ言うこと在りませんかな。

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>>18405262
Just finish it - it's not like TK is a long book.
Don't worry about memorizing everything in it - read it like you would read a book.
When you'll start reading you'll return to TK and to DoJG again and again anyway.

Reading grammars before actually reading is a bit like reading rules of a board game before playing.
I remember reading rules for Space Hulk and for Yomi and MTG and being entirely confused, but when we started playing them it all clicked, after a few re-checks with a rule book during first games.

>>18405275
If the book you are reading has an audiobook - listen along. It can help to discriminate subjects and objects (and also spaces between words) etcetera.
Search torrents and other sources for 朗読
aozoraroudoku.jp
audible.jp
It is a great benefit to listening comprehension as well - my listening ability improves much faster than reading which irks me a bit.

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone help me understand this example sentence?:

明日は｛いつ・何時｝が都合がいいですか

The curly braces represent something that can be omitted if it is obvious from context, that much is clear to me. What I don't understand is why the が particle is there and considered to not be optional, but 何時 is. Wouldn't the optional part include the particle as well?

[Anonymous No.]

Hi, my dumb ass again with more dumbass questions. I'm having trouble understanding what she means by getting mad at a small candy bag, especially because of the sentence after that. The joke is they're sneaking cigarettes in but it's just pocky.

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>>18405360
Oh fuck me, that makes perfect sense. Thanks and sorry for being dumb.

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>>18405068
post your stats and ill give you a reason

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>>18405331
Is this manga good?

[Anonymous No.]

I finished RTK and now I'm starting the core6k. Holy shit am I glad I finished RTK before doing anything else. I already know all these kanji and now I just have to learn the japanese meaning. This makes it way easier.

I'm gonna start reading soon, though. I don't want to only work with anki.

[Anonymous No.]

「金ぎたい」は金に汚いと同じ意味だろう。

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>>18405574
>I already know all these kanj
No, you don't

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>>18405608

[Anonymous No.]

Is it any good of a study method with my anki cards to stop adding new ones for a bit and focus on the ones I have learned to that point? Just for a few days to one week max stop adding new cards and exclusively do daily review so that I can "catch up" instead of constantly getting the more recent ones wrong as well as having 20 new ones added in?

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>>18405574
>>18405608
It begins

[Anonymous No.]

それはおきのどくさまでした

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>>18405659
So you couldn't just...learn the word 今?

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>>18405674
no

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>>18405659
So does the meaning "now" helps you with the word 今に that even doesn't have another kanji in it.

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>>18405676
Why? It's really good. Do the JLPT courses everyday and you will do well.
It's an amazing way to improve. Of course it's not the only way. Speaking is important too.

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>>18405703
>I hope you know that you also easily can use the web version.
Not on mobile, which is where I do most of my vocab studies. Well, maybe I could use the web version on mobile still, but that would be kind of a pain.
I get it, you probably love the gamification. I tried it and I loved it as well, it was really motivating. I just think some mechanics of it let you cheat too much (the magic wands in particular are stupid) and it takes too much effort to change a card from another deck/course because afaik you have to contact the person who made it.

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>>18405715
I use indeed the (free) app and are fine with the relatively rare own Popups.
But yes, the gamification does a lot. And the repeating and long term training works well.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got any tips on how you say りょう without fucking up?

[Anonymous No.]

I take it あす is just a casual/friendly way of saying 明日?

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>>18405831
you're an idiot if you can't detect such an obvious troll

[Anonymous No.]

RTK is the very foundation to your Japanese. It teaches you the meanings associated with the characters. Just because it isn't teaching you specific words is irrelevant as it is giving your brain the skill to decipher unknown kanji as well as differentiate between visually similar kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18405955
rtk isn't even close to the best one so

[Anonymous No.]

hey lads. I just noticed in the anki options it gives me a choice to randomize the order new cards are presented in.

I feel like this may be beneficial as they sometimes throw 6 fuckin words with the same kanji at me but with somewhat different meanings. spreading those out I feel might make it easier. thoughts?

also, thinking about setting the review timer to 5 or 10 seconds to speed up my review time, but I'm thinking it might slaughter my retention rate and pile up enough reviews to actually undo the time saved. anyone ever done it?

here's my current wallpaper as an attention grabber.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best way to improve kana reading speed?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18405992
>>18406003
>>18406004
>>18406006
>how do i get better at X
>by doing X
Scientists hate him for this one simple trick!

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>>18405992
Literally by brute force. I used to struggle, but after reading it constantly and also reading words more consistently, it became easier and easier. It won't happen overnight, but it'll happen sooner than you think.

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>>18406025
>It won't happen overnight, but it'll happen sooner than you think.
So if I think it'll happen tomorrow, then it'll happen overnight?

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>>18406049
>Playing dumb is bait now
Thanks, but for those of us who remember 4chan before the bait meme, the difference is pretty clear.

[Anonymous No.]

What is actually the difference between 開ける・開く and also 閉じる・閉める?
In what situations would you use one over the other?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406097
read about transitive/intransitive verbs.
to open something/to be open
to close something/to be closed by something

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have an Anki deck for the 魔女の宅急便 novels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406323
Like dzu but I don't know if that's right.

[Anonymous No.]

>started adding new words to mining deck again
>retention dropped from 80% to 70%
should I do less cards in a day, or is 70% still fine for mining since i'm reading on top of it? I'm doing 20 a day currently.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406323
It depends

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406448
高校生の頃

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>>18406558
ちゃんと = 君、かわいいね！ or something, as opposed to being asked for directions

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know if all of the Phenomeno LNs have been uploaded anywhere?
http://sai-zen-sen.jp/fictions/phenomeno/ is the only thing I could find up to volume 2.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm loving going through Imabi's grammar guide, but I'm concerned about its length. The guide definitely helped solidify a lot of concepts that I never really got for the small amount that I read Tae Kim.

Should I be concerned about Imabi's length? Like I said, the guide is great for making me understand things but I also feel like it's gonna take too long before I can start reading even a bit comfortably. Anyone else who used that guide can tell me how they found it to be? Should I just suck it up and go back to Tae Kim and try not to be a brainlet with it?

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>>18406894
I don't think a single person on the face of the planet has ever read imabi continuously from the beginning of the beginner parts to the middle of the intermediate parts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400372
Dang, what a cool site. Thanks for sharing it, would've probably been nicer to know about when I was a beginner but it makes me happy to see that that sort of site's been made.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406825
Dogen said he never passed N1 because the grammar is pointlessly complicated

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>>18406955
I don't remember that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406939 here.
Oops, just noticed: >>18400299
Nobody answered your actual question and I almost totally forgot about it as well because of the screenshot from that site.
No, that's something you could expect to hear from anybody, assuming the social context is casual enough to permit them to use だ instead of です and drop the か. Also, in response to what you said in this >>18400372 post:
>since I can directly yomi mine
While that's undeniably a fantastic feature to have, mining that early on into your studies -- 20 pages or whatever into the first volume of Yotsubato! (presumably your first manga) -- isn't productive. There are a couple turbo autists around here who spam constantly about how much more efficient mining is and how everyone should start mining after core 2k. They might be right, but nobody in their right mind with an ounce of sense mines before completing core 2k. If you really want to keep mining just to make sure you don't miss an opportunity to pick up a word you don't know, you should at least open up the card browser in Anki and search for the word to make sure it isn't already in your core deck. At such an early stage, knowing so few words, the majority of them will be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406987
The japanese wikipedia article on Eigenvectors

[Anonymous No.]

>>18400734
Anon >>18400826 is right in his guess, and yes, Hanahira is old enough that it doesn't have Unicode support. On Windows, I had to change my "language for non-unicode programs" setting and reboot if I wanted to play Hanahira.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18401052
Well done, Anon. When did you start learning? What did you read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406993
>but nobody in their right mind with an ounce of sense mines before completing core 2k
You were correct up to here. Better luck next time.

[Anonymous No.]

食べさせられたくなかった

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407026
yep, that's what I had to do as well. I could never get them displaying correctly with wine regardless of fonts/locales.
>>18401719

[Anonymous No.]

>>18402358
>>18402374
Guys stop you're scaring me

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>>18406955
Agree with >>18406955, I remember Dogen saying that the N1 is a waste of time because of how unhelpful the grammar it tests is, but he never said that it was too difficult.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406987
時をかける少女. It's a very easy read. I'm about halfway through and I'm hoping it'll get interesting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407075
Oops, meant to say "agree with >>18406961"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407085
Nope.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I keep staring at VNs for hours until kanji start making sense or is the some more efficient way of learning Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407113
It won't, but try とらぶる and からかい上手の高木さん.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407111
Ahhhhhh I love this show so much. I've only watched it with subs, maybe in a few months I'll try it raw.

>>18407113
No amount of core will protect you from new words. Might as well just pick up something that looks interesting and start reading anon!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406558
What manga is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407111
>ヨコハマ買い出し紀行
How are you liking it?

[Anonymous No.]

Is it just me or is the Tae Kim site kill?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407188
not working for me either but if you need it that bad you can always download the app

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407188
>>18407195
same but luckily had the pdf on my phone

[Anonymous No.]

When did you guys start talking to natives?

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>>18407183
I've seen the 1999(?) OVA, so I really enjoy the parts that are new to me but the OVA is better than the manga so the parts that I've already seen are boring.
>>18407247
Why the spoilers? About one year into my studies, but I really struggled with it at the time. I took my time and wrote very carefully to not look like an idiot, I can communicate pretty comfortably now. I changed my profile description on Tandem to Japanese and I get messages from natives on the regular (only respond to the cute girls though). I got a "Hi" message from a ブラジル/日本人ハーフ a few minutes ago but I haven't responded yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407306
How about vocal conversation?

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>>18407322
Japan is 16 hours ahead of my timezone, so it's difficult to schedule good times for both parties, but yeah. I've spoken on the phone with one girl twice, and once with another one. Each call lasted for a few hours, it's a ton of fun getting to talk to qts in Japanese.

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>>18407358
I don't suppose LNs count as novels? I want to feel like I've made progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407306
Pic related is said halfu

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407399
>そうっすか？ そりゃありがとう 笑笑
Are you a faggot?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407399
たぶんそれ

にほんじんじゃない

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407389
list the last 3 LNs you read

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407399
>日本語めっちゃいいね
Might be half jap but that's not the language she grew up with

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407496
you don't know Japanese

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>>18407515
If you say so

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>>18407620
>Is there some medium people use?
The Internet

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>>18407668
>tfw over a month left until this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407709
>They're grotesque hunks of flesh
You're just a gay faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407722
You have mother issues.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407709
Yeah, you're probably right - the pacing feels a bit off at times. But eh, I'm already halfway through the show, so might as well finish it.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are japs so shit at video games?
I'd give this guy I'm watching a piece of my mind if I weren't shit at japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407709
I'm DFC派, but to be fair, those characters are supposed to be working adults. Only Momiji (the one on the left) seems notably big to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407686
Well obviously, but whereabouts?
Is there some dedicated websites or apps for this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407751
そうね

にほんごうまいブラジルじんならね

上のはにほんごへただからね

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407749
when watching vidya I always try to separate being bad at games and being stupid and I try not to get mad at the former

but sometimes it's hard to tell the difference

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407864
I wasn't on DJT during New Years so I missed this year's "shitting on people wanting to better themselves" ceremony.
More power to you my friend, anyone can make it with enough work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407872
>shitting on people wanting to better themselves" ceremony.
we didn't actually have that but now that you mention it..

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407891
Always add the kanji form, because it teaches you both at the same time, and some pretentious fuck is going to use the kanji at some point or another no matter how rare it is so you'll need to know it eventually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407609
All I was trying to say is that Dogen never said he didn't pass the N1
>become asian-style cram school hell
Honestly that would be preferable to the joke they are now

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407864
>Am I gonna make it?
Too early to answer that question desu, but you're doing better than most. K

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407953
eep at it.



tfw you hit Enter too early

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>>18407891
depends on the word

yeah you should know things like 林檎、有難う、若し and 鮪 but there isn't much reason to torture yourself with 伯剌西爾、鯳、or 慥か unless you're trying to appear on a game show (or unless it's not actually that hard for you, then by all means go nuts)

learning the kanji forms of 10 words that are often written in kana is not preferable to learning 10 more words, but it's not a bad thing

>how do I know which is the way people typically write the word
read more

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>>18405294
Like this?

[Anonymous No.]

I tried asking /int/, but I haven't gotten a response. I'm sorry to keep pestering this thread with my questions.

What's the meaning of 進む here? For context, the girl is saying she thinks her suntan is healthy, while the guy is saying it'll just make people think she's been playing around outside. I'm hoping to understand the weird sentence after that if I know what he means by 進む.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408194
he's saying she's gotten darker

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>>18408222
Interesting, I never would have gotten that. Thank you. I was going by the "do of one's own free will" definition to try to make sense of it.

[Anonymous No.]

Auto scroll text is a crime

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>>18408257
>You are right

If that's the case what exactly does the following sentence mean? Something like "In my case I am not doing it of my own free will?". That's the only explanation I can think of because earlier she was saying she got the tan because she has to go to rugby practice outside in the sun every morning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408244
The "to do of one's own free will​" definition on Jisho is for 進んで used adverbially, not as a verb.

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/263559/meaning/m0u/

"Gotten darker" doesn't make any sense with the rest of the page. I dunno, but I'd guess it's referring to sexual experience, considering the 偏見 line.

[Anonymous No.]

i thought it was deiru form of susumu with a contraction

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408291
フリーダム・発育的な意味で「進んで」いるってことだと思ったよ
「オレだって進んでないコトだってあるんだよ」
不自由な時もあるから、そんなに「遊んで」いる暇はない、みたいな


I wouldn't try to phrase any of this in english in the first place

>>18408314
You are right. He isn't directly saying that but it is very strongly implied. He is poking at what she's doing with her free time

[Anonymous No.]

How long should it take to complete a VN listed as 50+ hours on VNDB as my first reading, assuming i'm reading at least 1 hour every day? A few months?

[Anonymous No.]

彼女は京都の生まれです。

How is の being used here?
Is it just generic connection? There's no possessiveness or "of" or anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408377
Probably more than a few

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408377
depending on your level you will read 2~5 times slower than a native, so it will take a while

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408384
Sure
You can also say 京都生まれ which would be more common

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408398
Thank you
>>18408395
ありがとう妹ちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408377
>A few months?
A lot more than that but it depends on difficuly and your vocabularly also how serious you're going to study. It's one thing to "just read something" when you use a parser and it's absolutely other thing if you're going to actually study (adding unknown words in anki, looking for new grammar and explanations, etc). I had been reading my first novel for ~50 hours and it was pretty short but I'm perfectionist type of guy so I actually study from reading instead of "just read and you remember things. Maybe"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408408
なんでもきいてね

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408771
好きな漢字教えて

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408773
白菜

>>18408797
おふろー

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408773
あのんがぐーぐる先生にきくと

ちがったのがでるかもしれない

これが「はくさい」

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407050
食べられなくさせられたがらなかったの？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407864

[Anonymous No.]

>>18408953
た・・・たべないよ

[Anonymous No.]

Moved to nipland thanks to you, /djt/.

[Anonymous No.]

i have yet to see a definition for 受け取り・受取 that doesn't mean "receipt" as in a slip of paper from a store or the like, however I see it used almost every time to mean literally "receive" in some noun sort of form, like the object of receiving something.

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>>18409173
http://jisho.org/search/受け取る

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409176
thats the verb

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409181
learn basic grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409182
learn about what im talking about

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409185
i know exactly what you're talking about
learn basic grammar

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409187
you obviously dont because you linked me a verb form of a word that has one strict definition written anywhere but a completely different usage outside of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409181
and 受け取り is an inflection on that verb

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409198
inflection is the superset of conjugations and declensions
conjugations are what inflections are for verbs (and other non-nouns)
declensions are what inflections are for nouns

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409198

[Anonymous No.]

iknow! (the website) is a good source, right? I think /jp/ in the past hated them and I'm sure you guys haven't changed, either. I remember using it back in middle or high school before they went rogue and changed their name and started charging money. So I fell off the horse...I tried using the core deck but it wasn't interactive enough and felt like I was cheating so I payed the iknow rabbis their $12.

So I'm using wanikani for kanji and iknow for vocab and kana referesher. Genki books for grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409217
>So I'm using wanikani for kanji and iknow for vocab and kana referesher.
Why would you do that? The vocab list of the only part of wanikani that isn't pure garbage. Might as well not pay for WK at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406987
古見さんは、コミュニケーションです。
It's my second ever untranslated manga I'm reading, and I'm having a fun time with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409217
>So I'm using wanikani for kanji and iknow for vocab and kana referesher. Genki books for grammar.
This just makes your decision to pay for Core even more baffling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409231
たかーい

[Anonymous No.]

There are a lot of words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409471
du for me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409456

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409471
>>18409474
>>18409478
You can also add "dzu" to your romaji table if you'd prefer to type it as "dzu".

[Anonymous No.]

just felt like I failed a shitload of cards but my retention was like 70-80%

?????

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409543
seems blank for me as well, use
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/
for the time being

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409543
Yes. This is why you use the PDF instead of the website.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409539
well that means you failed like 20-30% of your cards

trust your feelings

[Anonymous No.]

It's over アナキン, I have the 高地

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409741
Is that a problem for you?

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>>18409822
danshi means boy or young man and otoko just means male

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409832
Strange I thought they meant literally the opposite of each other. I guess the context they were used got me confused

[Anonymous No.]

カピバラ

[Anonymous No.]

tae kim is back up

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409953
as useful as anything. just try out different resources, like TK, sakubi, the 'visualizing' videos, etc, and see which one is easiest to understand for you. Look up anything you're confused about in multiple guides if you need to. It won't stick until you're reading, anyway, so it's not too important.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409966
When was the last time he updated or made changes to his grammar guide? The android app version is dated as from 2014 and the pdf version is from 2012.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410085
he hasn't made any noticeable alterations to the content of the guide in a long time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410085
pretty sure those are changes to the complete guide, which you don't want to use. the grammar guide is probably unchanged

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410085
It's been ages since any changes have been made (or at least any changes of note). There's absolutely no reason not to be using the app or pdf. Especially considering they are less of a pain to navigate.

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any good beginner-level manga I can start reading other than yotsuba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410086
>>18410087
>>18410090
hmm, okay then. I tried to acess the page but it appears to be down again. The site being down is an issue I have noticed being brought up at different times and thought that it might be worth dumping a backup of the grammar guide section, like how that real kana game was backed up and put on neocities.


>>18410137
try this
https://mega.nz/#F!wQoT3QyJ!kdpoYXv5sHsZaucHF-83lw

[Anonymous No.]

On the subject of manga reading. Are there any programs that make it less shit?
Just using windows' default "photos" app is probably the worst program I've ever used in my life, there is no convenient way to scroll or zoom without fucking with the toolbar that appears and disappears at random.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410169
It has the exact same purpose in hiragana as katakana. And yes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410130
Flying Witch, Takagi-san
>>18410180
CDisplayEx. I'd recommend buying a tablet, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410182
thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410180
I use MComix.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been teaching myself japanese for 6 months and I'm taking an equivalence exam tomorrow
I've been skimming Genki since thats the book my uni uses, and it was actually painful to read.
How far do you think 2 semesters worth of japanese would equate to in terms of grammar level?

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/OfqjIlgSaAg

Is this song the final boss of listening comprehension?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410201
I have a friend who took Japanese as a minor and it took two semesters for him to get through the first volume of Genki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410213
>>18410201
At my college you need 4 semesters to get through Minna no Nihongo 1

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410210
i don't even know japanese and i understand this

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>>18410201
I took one semester of japanese and the pace and content covered was pretty damn sad (I didn't realize at the time, but in retrospect).

Pretty much it was all the hiragana, wa/ga/no/mo particles, basic vocabulary and verbs (all school and basic shit, all conjugated to 'polite' forms). After 4 months the most meaningful things I could say were my name and major.

The fucked part was I remembered it being a challenging course at the time. I don't know if it was just taught weird or I was a moron in uni. But when I went back and studied 100% on my own years later I learned probably twice that amount of content in a few weeks and had a better grasp on all of it.

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>>18410300
Did you also have tons of Chinese people in your class?
I feel like the 90% of those fuckers are only learning Japanese because it's fairly easy to them (after all they already know 99% of the kanji you need) and it gets them credits.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410300
i think its both, i studied while i was still in HS and i found learning to be insanely hard

then i picked it up again like 5 years later and while its been hard, the amount ive covered is indescribably higher

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410380
I don't know man, at my college it probably wouldn't.
Isn't there some website with a syllabus? If not, can you email the teacher?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410380
>take 2 semesters of japanese
>go to japan
>all you can say is "m-maku donarado wa doko desu ka??"
what a rip-off

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410130
I read some some chapters from ika musume instead of yotsuba and then started reading nisekoi, it's very easy.

[Anonymous No.]

Does this scribble say 田日? There are no characters in the manga called Tanichi so I'm confused.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410429
>>18410191
Do these manga have a emphasize cute girls?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410451
明日

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>>18410582
A good rule of thumb is to always assume the most common word containing the characters that you DO recognize. Occam's razor and all that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410585
why doesn't my little sister have intercourse with me like kirino

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410417
ask her for a syllabus/overview of topics covered.

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>>18410169
toooh chan

im around the same level as you and pretty much doing the same thing. theres a reading guide that covers the first 2 volumes in the guide. basically a giant pdf with a vocab list marked by page number

i also use bilingualmanga. theres a comment chain discussing it somewhere in this thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407070
Is it worth doing the prefectures of Japan? If so, where do I get that deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410823
the main purpose of reading at this level is to practice parsing grammar from words

the pdf guide tends to cover most words, but weird conjugations aren't acknowledged. する might be listed for しない appearing in the manga

bilingualmanga + yomi is helpful in that it lets you mouse through a blob of characters you dont understand and figure out where things start and stop

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410130
I started with Mitsuboshi Colors instead of Yotsuba, they're basically the same thing except it's 3 Yotsubas instead of just one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18409166
im sorry

[Anonymous No.]

Does TK have an audio version? I would love to listen to it as review while I work or something so I can kind of learn and brush up even when I'm not actively doing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18411285
I don't know about a word for word audio version, but TK's uploaded a number of short videos on youtube. You could listen to those

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407247
I've been talking to one for two months now IN JAPANESE, you jelly you fucking brainlet faggots? YEAH FUCK ALL OF YOu
FUCK YOU ALL

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407247
I met one in real life but he insisted on talking to me in my native language

[Anonymous No.]

>>18411648
You should have gone for a compromise and used one language for half the conversation, and the other for the rest.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18411648
That means his english was better than your japanese and he didn't want to slog through trying to decipher your botched moonspeak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18411662
My native language isn't english it's portuguese though
And his portuguese was terrible, I doubt it's better than my japanese. But it's a good thing he's actually trying to get better by talking to other people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407440
>>18407496
You guys are definitely right, she couldn't understand me asking where she grew up and just answered that she's a halfu and that she currently lives in Brazil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18407076
How long have you been learning Japanese? Core6k progress? Etc

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406987
観葉植物になって百合カップルのイチャラブ生活を見守るお話
A really easy read, very cute and pretty funny.

[Anonymous No.]

I've started learning 2 days ago and I'm honestly a little confused.
The guide links me to the wikipedia hiragana chart, but it seems that there are a few letters missing (compared to the DJT charts) and on some other sites I found even more hiragana letters.
so which one is correct and which one am I supposed to learn?
pls no bully

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a bad Idea to read hentai instead of regular manga to try to improve my nihongo?
My brain can't stay motivated long enough to make any real progress, But I believe my dick can.
Are there any beginner level recommendation?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412086
The two extra letters on the right are archaic kana that are not used anymore and IMEs refuse to produce them outside of names. (e.g. えびす -> ヱビス)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412160
Microsoft's (and I think Google's too) IME produces ゐ and ゑ with "wyi" and "wye"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412188
Yeah I should've said that we/ye and wi don't get converted to them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412160
>>18412168
okay! thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18411830
Is this one hard for a beginner?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18411763
I started last April. I know about 5000 words in core6k and about 4000 in my mining deck. There are still a couple words I don't know every couple pages though. Why do you ask?

[Anonymous No.]

Funny how you autists have been learning japanese for such a long time and yet you haven't figured out how to make a good guide to learning it, lmao LOSERS!!!!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412408
If you're a beginner, read a good LN

It'll help you stick it out through the end

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412435
All the information you need is in the guide. No one's going to offer extra guidance because you'd rather bitch in the thread instead of taking the time to figure it out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412435
The sad truth is these threads are an endless churning pot of beginners

Anyone capable of making good learning material doesn't give enough of a shit to do so or stopped hanging out here a long time ago

[Anonymous No.]

I present another joke that flies way over my head. I'd appreciate any ideas.
The female teacher with glasses has fallen in love with another teacher simply because he took the time to talk to her. The kids just burst in the room saying that. I'm not sure what this has to do with Paradise Lost.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412503
What manga is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412524
共学高校のゲンジツ. It's an easy read, but the jokes are sometimes difficult to grasp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412522
>>18412503
Did you try Google?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412522
Those are whistling noises.

Also it doesn't even take diving into japanese resources to solve this one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412557
I'm too lazy to wait for your response but just Google words you don't know next time, it's not that hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412411
I just started and I bought that book since people said it would be easy.

I can't read it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412557
>>18412584
>>18412586
And that's why you don't just look at Jisho kids, thank you.
http://jisho.org/word/%E5%A4%B1%E6%A5%BD%E5%9C%92

>>18412588
It's because you just started. Start with Yotsuba or other simple manga. The first thing you read will always be difficult, but manga in general is easier to comprehend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412612
>manga in general is easier to comprehend
I think manga can often be more frustrating than LNs and the like since there's way more colloquialisms and things you need to grasp from context, which will often be pretty much completely out of reach for a beginner.
In a book you can usually tell what's going on since the words have to explain everything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18410834
I'm glad I did it and it was a very small time commitment. The guy that made the deck continued to update it (he added a ton of cities and their flags and all kinds of stuff) after I had downloaded it, and now it has several hundred more cards than it did when I got it. So yes, it was worth it to learn the prefectures and regions because it was easy, but seeing as most Japanese people can't even name all the prefectures, I can't imagine it's actually useful to memorize all the major cities of each prefecture.

[Anonymous No.]

Well I am done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412685
>new cards learned: 1000
what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412685
>Not even 8 hours of work

Try getting a real job, NEET

[Anonymous No.]

>>18412685
>>18412699
Are you stupid?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18406987
Finished 友希's route in 私が好きなら「好き」って言って！

[Anonymous No.]

>>18411636
It appears /int/ is down and the リア充 have infested again
sad times

[Anonymous No.]

I asked here >>18413562 but I'm more likely to get a response here:

When should i start RTK? After Genki 1, Genki 2?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18413650
ok so i should probably do genki 1, then genki 2, then move to japan? Got it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18413614
read tae kim and then watch anime and read vns and manga

[Anonymous No.]

What is a good text hooking program for Visual Novels?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18413667
Another anon here, I tried to grind hiragana on the DJT Kana page but I felt like I didn't retain it. I did the first chapter of RTK and actually remembered it and did the little test at the end of it and got them all right.
I'll try out TK, just the grammar guide right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18413751
I found 'Interactive Text Hooker'

[Anonymous No.]

>>18413868
Oh I see, thanks for the advice.
I think I'll just grind out the Kana on DJT and then do TK's grammar guide after a few days or so then start reading Yotsuba with the guide.
I've never played VNs but I'll definitely give them a try since a lot of people have recommended using them to learn with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18414143
We have better methods, thats why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18414222
Read the guide and find out.

[Anonymous No.]

>read so much shit today my head physically hurts
does anyone else find that reading japanese does this? Is it just because my brain has to work so much harder to interpret what its seeing? I can read english novels for hours without any strain

[Anonymous No.]

The only way to learn how to write is to know Japanese and write out passages, not lone characters or words. Being able to write individual kanji is a skill that comes easily and in short time when you already know how to read them fluidly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18414251
Shut up you insecure fucking manchild. Not everyone has the same goals as you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18414403
Imagine having more than one interest. What a fucking loser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18414395
>>18414420
return to your containment board on /int/ normalfag

[Anonymous No.]

>>18414459
>is RTK useful or not?
You're going to get answers from people that have done it saying yes, trying to defend their time spent.
And a no from people like me that never did it, and can read just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18414459
If RTK is something that works for you, then stick with it.

Personally I think its a very middle-ground solution to learning Kanji. You walk away from it knowing the meaning of the kanji, and the ability to recall them; however you can't actually use that knowledge to read anything and must then "re-learn" that.

For me it just felt shitty (I did it for the first couple hundred) to have spent time learning only to find out that what I learned wasn't really applicable to anything I wanted to do (reading manga/vidya) so I just said fuck it and used core instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18414402
It is such a boring grind, and every day your reviews get longer and longer. One of the most irritating things is dealing with the keywords. Sometimes they are so similar that you confuse them constantly. I think there are 10 keywords that are synonyms for "bright". Or the keyword is for a tree/plant that you have never heard of in your life. What the fuck is a Judas tree?

RTK is so hyped up in some communities that some people have been trying for years to finish it, because they think it is the only way to learn Japanese.

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>>18414549
>RTK after core 10k
sounds like a plan dude

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if the guide is so outdated why isn't it getting updated

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>>18414715
I think it was this one
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/798002504

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>>18414721
Because its not 'so outdated' when it spans two groups with different goals.

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>>18414735
Lurk more faggot.

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>>18414739
I've probably lurked here longer than you, as far as i can tell there are no groups

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>>18414742
Then you haven't lurked more than me, faggot

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>>18414748
Post the time you started lurking here, newfag.

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>>18414768
feel free to update it then to reflect only this group and not /int/, if they truly are dead over there
>>18414783
I'm not the one thats uninformed, faggot

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>>18414734
Idk if I'm qualified to give you a study schedule but here's a rundown of what I stumbled through
- spent a day or two cramming kana until i knew them
- tae kim's grammar guide
- radical deck (this is short enough you might as well do it)
- (possibly somewhat misguided?) kanji study, using that deck including writing until I got sick of it
- tried core, wasn't sticking or helping me read so I dropped it pretty fast
This whole time of course I was eyeing the example words in that kanji deck,watching English subbed anime, and spending all my other free time on looking at Japanese shit on the internet with the Rikaisama plugin, so there was still vocab acquisition going on.

general tips: use google, read more

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do you seriously think the guide's methods are for int vs jp

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>>18414792
translation: last week.

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>>18414793
>>18414823

Would you mind linking the radical deck you used? I find that learning radicals helps me a fuck ton on retention.

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>>18414847
Last time someone tried to update the guide it got someone doxxed.

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>>18414831
Probably this
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1044119361

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>>18414823
>kanji study
>headstart

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>>18414964
Just in case, I wasn't the same Anon who gave you the tips and resources. That credit goes elsewhere.
And yeah, both Kemono Friends and Yuru Camp have been fun to watch. In fact I am now rewatching Kemono Friends, given how good for listening exercise it is since their dialogues tend to be simple and easy to understand.

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Can someone recommend some relatively easy LNs for a beginner? I've heard good things about GJ部. Manga doesn't really hold my attention the same way actual books do. The pictures also encourage me to cheat and not fully understand what I'm reading.