Touhou 17

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What are your predictions for TH17

LOLK and HSIFS were very well received so hopefully ZUN keeps it up.

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>>18389073
I only wonder if we'll get the next Akyuu book before or after TH17, i hope it's the former, im dying to know more information, true or false, about the LoLK and HSiFS casts.

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>>18389073
Rumia's ribbon comes off and she comes back as a main character because she's really miffed that she lost her ribbon somewhere, with her route being that she accidentally solves an incident all by herself and gets her ribbon back.

TH17 also takes place in Current Hell and all the bosses are fairies.

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Something Youkai Mountain related, maybe? Maybe the Tenma will finally show up.

Both FS and WaHH is hinting about the Tengu planning to do something, and it's been said by Kasen that one of the main reasons why Okina did her powertrip stunt was to give a warning to them and their like.

so once again ZUN's GF shows up

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>>18389108

THIS TIME, FOR SURE

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Touhou 8 style, Marisa/Okina, Reimu/Yukari, Sanae/Mima, Seija/Sagume

Yeah I'm just throwing stuff out there.

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>>18389189
Is EX mode her finding someone to put the ribbon back on since she'd be unable to hold it?

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>>18389287
Just go all out with the sages, replace Mima with Kasen and drop Seija/Sagume. Or just make it like HSiFS and let you choose your sub-shot sage.

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>>18389291
The normal ending is she finds the ribbon but realizes she can't actually put it on herself.
She'd pick it up with a stick and asks the EX boss to put the ribbon on her, but she refuses so they danmaku for it.

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A return to higan and eiki returns, along with yuyuko, orin, and hecatia for an incident that happens within hell.

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>>18389073
>What are your predictions for TH17
Game's gonna be like IN and will feature another sage. Teams are gonna be Reimu/Yukari, Okina/Marisa,Eirin/Kaguya and Yuyuko/Youmu

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Anyone who doesn't think there'll be new 2hus with new backstory is delusional.
Also Ran will become playable.

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>>18389073
>Yukari - Youkai Sage
>Kasen - Hermit/Oni Sage
>Okina - Deity Sage
>Eirin - Lunarian Sage

What's next? Human Sage? Tengu Sage? Vengeful Spirit Sage?

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chen is so cute

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>>18389073
Pandering to Normalfags.

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>>18389287
>>18389360
I think Reimu and Kasen would work better for an IN styled game, and along with Marisa/Okina could work for a Youkai Mountain plot like >>18389247 suggested.

Instead of tacking on two other random pairs, I think it would be better to go the SA route and use two more pairings. Maybe bring back Suika for Reimu and then give her Shinmyoumaru or Aunn as another new pairing. As for Marisa, Nitori could work with the Youkai Mountain goings on, and the other one could be, I dunno, Clownpiece or something. Marisa seems to get along with the fairies of light pretty well, and Clownpiece is basically an honorary one at this point

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I don't want the Okina Marisa thing dropped, I think everyone wants to see that developed and how it changes the status quo. But it might take a few more games for it to play out.

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>>18389247
Kasen says a lot of things. Okina didn't expect any tengu involvement whatsoever and also didn't care. Kasen is opinionated and WRONG a lot of the time.

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>>18389451
Seems it hasn't been, or rather ZUN is being intentional with it what with her being clingy toward Marisa in WaHH, and Marisa still talking about her in CoLA. But, we'll see

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>>18389678
>WRONG a lot of the time.
She's opinionated, but she's wrong very few times in WaHH. The only time she was flat out wrong was when she thought the Tengu and Kappa were taking advantage of the Moriya Shrine but it turns out they just had an agreement. Okina is also an old acquaintance of Kasen's, so she probably knows her well. Aya also thought the incident was a warning to the Tengu as well so multiple people think Okina is up to something in regards to the Tengu.

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>>18389678
She's incredibly knowledgeable about the things she actually knows something about, so I doubt it.
Kasen isn't really wrong in WaHH a lot and more that she needs to learn about some concepts "modern Gensokyo" has and about actually being a hermit.

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>>18389707
A few panels of being "clingy" doesnt really say a whole lot, and there is nothing special about her talking about Okina in CoLA. Everyone had a sort of afterstory where they talk about the incident (like Cirno in VFiS) so its too be expected.
I think the whole thing is just fans reading way too deep into it. It just makes sense their interactions are like they are given Marisa is the actual best suited candidates to work for her out of the four protagonists of HSiFS. Okina (just like Aunn) is probably just going to show up as a frequent character in WaHH and I think thats realistically the most of what ZUN will do with her.

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Dreamworld Kasen is the wrongest being in the universe. Calling someone who willingly puts her face in front of a nuclear bomb to pull off a plot a coward, how silly.

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>>18389802
Of course a tengu would think it's a conspiracy against tengu. Kasen has been wrong about who's behind what and why things happen enough times that I'd never take something she says at face value.

>>18390084
See above. Even if you're right 80% of the time, that means you can be wrong. Honestly more importantly the purpose of Okina's plot was that there was no plot. It was a faith scheme start to finish. She made no moves explicitly against the Tengu, she caused trouble against Gensokyo as a WHOLE. And why? Mystery. That was really all, because she's a mysterious god. Any speculation as to why she did what she did only serves to accentuate the fact that she didn't do it for any particular reason. People know about her and are worried. Job well done.

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>>18390427
I don't know why you're so dismissive. Okina very obviously took a shine to Marisa (and Cirno, but Cirno returned to normal) and Marisa seemed noticeably perturbed by the events and the goddess's pushiness. I'm not saying it's a big deal, but I am saying ZUN obviously put it out there as something noticeable.

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>>18389385
Akyuu counts as a human sage?

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I'd like a return of the partner system like Imperishable Night or even like Subterranean Animism.
Or another major gameplay mechanic shift like Legacy of Lunatic Kingdom.
Basically I like the games that try out new things more over the ones that go "back to the basic" like Mountain of Faith and Hidden Star in Four seaons.

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>>18390661
Its because like many things I expect that its something that will be left dangling for fans to expand on their own. ZUN does this alot (and there is nothing wrong with it). I agree with the people saying that creating a dynamic similar do that of Remiu and Yukari's would be interesting but in the end I think that its a bunch of overspeculation that will end in disappointment.

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>>18391105
We will wait and see from the mangas in this year, but the conection for them exists, and Okina is obsessed with Marisa from her potential.

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>>18390967
I would love one like that, but now... what kind of new incident we would have in TH17 for them needing to pair up? Something sequel from 15.5?

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>>18391137
Having the tengu try to take action would be nice, the plot would center on Okina vs Tenma

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>>18390655
So why take into account the 20% rather than the 80%, especially when Kasen personally knows who Okina is and is a Sage herself?

She did that to the entirety of Gensokyo to ward off anyone who dare tries to disrupt the balance. It's a show of power.
Kasen literally says this and not just with Tengu.

Literally every single Touhou had some form of reason why they did an incident. Even Tenshi and Utsuho were in a state where they had a reason to do what they did.
Saying Okina's reason is basically just "muh faith and power" isn't really a good one, especially when they had to dedicate a chapter for her. I don't peg Okina for being stupid and doing an incident just for the memes.

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>>18391134
Like I said if anything we can expect something from WaHH, since VFiS wouldnt really be the best place to explore this topic. Its all we will likely have for quite a while (except for a couple new issues of Strange Creators) since ZUN is taking a break this year for the most part.

>>18391168
To be fair, "muh faith and power" is actually a really important and crucial thing in Touhou.

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>>18391236
"muh faith and power" usually isn't the main reason for anything, though. Kanako needed it in order to live and that's it.
I highly doubt someone that's called a "hidden god" needs a publicity stunt to make faith.

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>>18391332
Even being a "hidden god", she's a god nonetheless, she still needs faith. And her existence as a "hidden god" means she relays on mystery, that's one of the reasons she made the incident. Nobody knows how much power she has or who she truly is, but surely they know that she exists and is pretty powerful, and then they start to believe in her.

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>>18391379
>the reason for her to create an incident is to be 2deep4u
what kind of reasoning is that lmao

One of the reasons why she did what she did was to replace Satono and Mai as her servants, and find someone powerful enough to fit. Not a mystery.
This is also likely why Okina is interested in Marisa.

Kasen and Aya is saying there's another reason, and that reason being the to intimidate anyone trying to disrupt the balance, which is Okina's job.

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>>18391422
That reasoning is literally the whole point on the chapter made entirely about the incident and Okina in CoLA. Marisa doesn't want to talk about Okina because everyone will be somewhat impressed about her. The Kasen and Aya thing may be also part of the plan, but I seriously doubt the whole thing about replacing Satono and Mai was the real reason behind the incident

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>>18389073
I saw OP pic being discussed in futaba along with japanese translations for the caption and all, that was pretty neat they talk about little western fanworks as well.

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>>18391332
Gods needing faith aside, Youkai pretty much also exist purely off of belief. The vast majority of characters would cease too exist if they didnt have some form of faith/belief.
In the case of HSiFS, its clear Okina's primary goal was too show off her power and impress/get people talking about her (as >>18391472 said). Obviously this is with the clear secondary goals of making sure things in Gensokyo are working as intended and to make sure the various Youkai factions stay in their place, which are results easily gotten just by making a show of her power. Finding a replacement for Mai and Satono was also more of a secondary goal. It was something she did want too do sure, but as evidence by everything that came out of the game its clear what her main intention was. She obviously would still like to find replacements, but shes not exactly to worried and torn up about it.

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>>18391168
There's nothing stupid about doing the thing you need to do to continue to exist.

Also Kasen is a sage and Yukari is a sage and Kasen wasn't sure why Yukari did anything she did with Gensokyo, or how, despite assumably helping with its creation. Kasen's opinions on matters are not facts.

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>>18392172
Tell me more.

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>>18389073
Someone gets killed off

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>>18389073
We haven't had any of the Phantasmagoria games in a long while. Now that Touhou gained a little bit of new audience through the Steam release (although new fans were exposed only to newest characters), it would be a smart move from ZUN to consolidate this fanbase by bringing up a game with as many playable classic characters as possible. And people would enjoy online versus mode too.

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>>18394855
While I agree that a new Phantasmagoria would be great, I dont think its necessary for the purpose you stated. Mostly just because even though HSiFS and AoCF could easily be a bunch of peoples introduction to the series, the characters from them are very unrepresented in fan material compared too other characters. Newcomers will still be exposed too the classic characters way more so familiarization shouldnt be too hard for someone making an honest attempt at getting into the series.

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>>18394855
>>18396726
Phantasmagoria will obviously be 18 instalment for a dumb obvious reason.

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>>18389108
Kinda weird to think that this moment if drawing ever closer.

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>>18389073
heres hoping we get some actual backstory as to what the actual fuck went on to get Okina, Kasen and Yukari to work together for Gensokyo to happen, and what everyones actual functions are, like we know yukari is probably the main reason behind the barrier but what about all the other shit?

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>>18389101
A Q is dying. Literally.

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An otherworld-heavy game with SA teams and a chapter style game so you have some rest between stages: three playable character and six supports (you could pick any) who talks between stages only or appears after each battle to bully the beaten boss.
Hecatia or Clownpiece, Komachi (misses one after stage talk), a new non-Deva oni, Doremy, Orin and another new, otherworld-related character are supports.
Basically, the incident is than almost all crossroads mixed up, so all beings found difficult to reach their destination, with ghosts, oni, demons, humans and various other otherworld inhabitants ending in the wrong places after trying to travel. Luckily the supports realized that and took care before victims showed up, asking the playable characters to help fix things.
Stage 1 background and final boss varies according to your picked support (crossing the border between your support's world to Limbo), Yuuka appears if you picked Doremy. Stage 3, is trippy as the various otherworlds shift around as you advance. You take a short trip to Hell in Stage 4, going to Makai in Stage 5 and finding Shinki as the final boss, she hints you who is the culprit.
Final boss is Isis/Ishtar/Inanna/Izanagi, she's called all those. Extra stage is the final's boss daughter or son who just found Gensokyo and plans to move.

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>>18389073
Are you implying DDC wasn't well received?

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>>18402197
Not as well as 15 and 16. There were many threads complaining about Touhou quality with 13 / 14.

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>>18401058
Akyuu said in PMiSS that the reincarnation rituals preceding her death take several years of preparation. I strongly believe ZUN does not intend for her to die before he starts this sub-plot.

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>>18402215
There were also "many threads complaining about Touhou quality" with 15 and 16. You're an idiot.

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>>18404868
16 is the highest reviewed game in Steam history. And Japanese rate LOLK as their #5 work.

TD was a flop.

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>>18404954
>Steam
>And Japanese rate
Literally nothing to do with your earlier assertion.

Go be a secondary retard somewhere else.

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>>18405028
Post your scores
TD was a flop, it's one of the worst games in the series.

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>>18389108
No.
This will never happen anon kun
Mima hates everyone

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>>18405028
Oh look you're wrong. Get blown the fuck out secondary.

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>>18405028
>retard
You're defending Ten Desires, you are the retard Anon.

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TD has the least amount of replays on royalflare / gensokyo.org

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>>18405080
>>18405116
>muh TD muh TD muh TD muh TD muh TD
Point me to the post where I was questioning OP about TD.

>>18405102
Imagine being a secondary to 4chan and not knowing what a thread is.

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>>18389108
I can only hope.

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TD is the most boring, I blame UFO-like resource system and overall 'dark' and muted theme that wasn't even done right like in EoSD, instead of vibrant colours of HSiFS or MoF.

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>>18405277
TD has many more threads complaining about it than other games. You were wrong.

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>>18405312
It's not only the theme and the stupid spirit-thing, the stages were simply bad and repetitive. Also everything is slow af. Playing HSiFS I feel like I'm exploring Gensokyo while flying through the air. Playing TD is more like walking on a hallway while someone throw things at you.

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>>18405542
>Point me to the post where I was questioning OP about TD.

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>>18405614
We could do the same thing with DDC. It was not as well received. Gameplay kad broken shot types, and people generally did not love the characters.

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>>18401058
If she's gonna die at 30, then she still has some 6 years left.

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>>18405749
>We could do the same thing with DDC. It was not as well received.
Source: You

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>>18405824
You will keep replying and you will keep getting blown the fuck out.

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>>18405856
Maybe when you learn what a thread is that'll happen.

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>>18405957
You will keep replying and keep getting btfo.

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>>18405777
6 years left before she dies from non-consensual rape

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It has been nearly a decade since the last truly great Touhou game (SA). I have no faith, and the good themes keep getting fewer and farther inbetween.

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Every Touhou game since the Religious Wars arc started other than HSiFS was received poorly by the western community immediately on release and has been looked at more fondly as time went on. LOLK is one of the most extreme examples of this, people fucking hated the newhus and the gameplay gimmicks initially.

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Reminder that Okina is the best sage and she should be playable.

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>>18406024
Oh wow, you learned what a thread is, that's amazing. Now you get to explain why a mere 4~ threads constitutes as much of a bad reception as you claim it is.

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>>18406147
>the good themes keep getting fewer and farther inbetween
Not really.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv1yYDzvFtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJQD-w5ODcg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV-ccQkW-0M
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZx5KydoqHQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e28gguOW_zM

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I'd like another game with IN-style teams. Yukari/Reimu, Okina/Marisa, Kasen/Sumireko, and either as-of-yet-unkwown 4th sage and another human like Sakuya or Sanae, or Eirin/Reisen. But I can't conceive of a mainline STG where any of the Hourai are playable.

Maybe SA-style teams would be easier, with Reimu getting Yukari, Marisa getting Okina, and then a couple other supporting characters.

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>>18406178
Little Princess is truly awful and largely marks the moment his music lost itself

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>>18406193
Shit taste.

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>>18406193
you what

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>>18406172
>Reminder that Okina is the best sage
Yes.
>and she should be playable.
No. Unless you mean in a fighting game.

>>18406193
The most incorrect post in all of /jp/.

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>>18406193
>The things I don't like are shit and my taste is the only one that counts
Really makes you think

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>>18406193

i can't disagree

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>>18406184
IN teams haven't done since IN, so they should be done again desu

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>>18389073
Chen is supposed to be as tall as Ran
what kind of retard drew this? He should be castrated at once

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You fags are an embarrasment.

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>>18406340
>Chen is supposed to be as tall as Ran
Since when?

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>>18406304
>IN teams haven't done since IN
And don't you think there's a reason for that?

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>>18406176
There are many more on the archive, despite /jp/ being a very slow board. Look at any rating thread and DDC doesn't do that well. You will keep replying and keep being wrong.

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>>18406176
DDC is filler tier, we should be thankful HSIFS is so much better.

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>>18406415
Since AoCF.
Check the sprite comparison.

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>>18406676
They made a sprite comparison? Because I haven't see any.

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DDC was the peak of Touhou
Nothing will ever come close to it

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>>18406841
No, delete this

One guy three years ago said DDC was below average therefore its reception was bad BAD and DDC a shit SHIT

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How can DDC be bad if it gave us the Banc?

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>>18406676
And that pic was obviously made before AoCF you dumdum.

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>>18407004
That guy is probably just mad because Seija and \Shinmyoumaru/ wreck his shit.

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Touhou 17 will be:
>most likely harder. Dunno how people measure it's difficulty, but I managed to do extra stage there, and I'm shit because too lazy to sit down for a four days to get stuff down and get them lunatics/extras
>will include dream world in some way. Not sure about it, but ending of Yukari/Reimu's story in AoCF made dream copies stuff look like big troubles, much bigger than just "send two reformed baddies catch all copies". And let's not forget triple Sumireko's. Maybe it was resolved, dunno, I didn't understand a speck how we got third one
>will include Sanae and someone from pre-10 girls as playable characters
>perhaps will have something to do with time, seeing we dealt with various worlds (15) and seasons (16). Not really sure
>will release on steam in AoCF fashion - Comiket, followed by Steam in one-two weeks. Depends on season - I can't see ZUN working on New Year, honestly
>will not have Mima

>will be regarded as worst 2hu ever, will have shittiest characters ever imaginable, worst music, worst gimmick and everything
>due to Steam release, will be regarded as normiest 2hu ever, will spell doom for whole community and attract all cancer of internet
>all of above apply until new 2hu gets announced

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>>18407155
Shit, I meant I got extra in 16th and don't know if people consider game baby mode, easy, okay, hard or 15-tier brutal rape

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>>18407155
The dream world refugees problem was cleaned up in AoCF itself. Did you not play the story mode fully yet?

Those last three, though. Definitely will happen.

>>18407162
HSiFS is generally considered one of the easier games, and the Extra is considered tied with PCB's as the easiest one in the series.

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>>18406909
DDC didn't have great reception, I think most consider that UFO / TD / DDC period the low

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>>18407176
I did, but, it just didn't sit with me that in ending it says "this dream world refugees problem will shake Gensokyo", and then Junko and Muku-I mean Joon and Shion just kick some dream butts and are done with that.
Maybe it's just translation, or I was particularly hyped after fighting raging Shion.

>>18407176
I see. Then next main game will be harder for sure.

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>>18407155
HSIFS kind of broke the cycle of hating the current game, besides the people who cried day one of every cast reveal

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>>18407204
>Junko
How the fuck is Joon similar to Junko

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>>18407287
Not 2hu Junko, Danganronpa Junko.
In case you were talking of right one, how are they not similar?
Both are rich girls, wearing some fashionable clothes and clearly enjoying some fame (well, at least Joon looks like that. Not sure if she has actual fame behind her).
Both cause lots of problems and are dangerous if left alone. One spreads despair, other - financial loss.
Both have sisters who are very loyal to them despite abuse they receive in return for help, and also are much less flashy as if to make contrast more noticeable.
Only difference is that Junko and Mukuro don't share same last name, while Joon and Shion are both Yorigami.

>>18407205
Maybe I was here on bad day, then. To be perfectly honest I didn't see 2hu game I could hate yet, and I played them all. True, some are worse than others, but none are even close to being "bad" in any measure.
It's like you have wide selection of cakes, and some are naturally more to your liking than others, instead of, what some people seem to imply, a shelf lined both with cakes and some rotting sausages.

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>>18407651
>Not 2hu Junko, Danganronpa Junko.
Oh, you could have made that clearer. I still have my doubts but you did a fine job explaining yourself so let's leave it at that.

>To be perfectly honest I didn't see 2hu game I could hate yet, and I played them all.
Frankly I think most people are like that, but the vocal minority tends to be persistent so it's easy to get the impression something gets more hate than it actually does. Like those dorks trying to act like everyone hates Mamizou or Sumireko.

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>>18407155
>>will not have Mima
I disagree. I can feel it in my bones... This time I am right.

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>>18416668
Bones!!!