DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1884

[Anonymous No.]

Don't read the guide before asking questions.
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Don't do your reps. Don't read. Don't learn Japanese.


Previous thread: >>18331890

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今日も一日がんばるみょん～

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I did my reps.
I did my Kanji.
I did my vocab.
I am doing Grammar.

Anywhere to easily learn / memorize the conjugations for verbs/adjectives/things?

Maybe there is an Anki deck for this I am just not seeing?

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>>18357603
I can tell you've never learned a language before because you think you need to waste your time on conjugations to learn them. And of all languages you're learning Japanese, probably the language with the easiest conjugations ever. If you can't learn them purely by immersion you should just give up.

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>>18357501

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>tfw know 4 languages (not including japanese)
>tfw I don't even know what a conjugation is because I learned everything through immersion

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>>18357646
nobody gives a fuck, stop writing like a retarded newfag and misusing the quote function and go back there

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>>18357652
>quote function

Is this a new meme?

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>>18357656
1. don't use the M word outside of your containment boards
2. go back there or kill yourself

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>>18357646
I also know 4 languages, the difference is that I'm not a retard so I know what a fucking conjugation is.

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>>18357671
>be a pleb that needs grammar books written for college kids that do literal 0 studing outside of class to learn languages
>call others retarded

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>>18357699
holy shit who invited you here?

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>>18357603
There probably are decks, but they are probably not worth your time. The frequently recommended approach to grammar around here is what steve kaufmann says: read a grammar book (without bothering with workbooks or questions) and then use it as reference while you read real material. The book gives you an idea of what's out there, and then you learn it through lots and lots of exposure to native language usage, not through memorizing descriptions. The reference is still valuable when you come to a sentence you can't figure out at all, but putting many hours into it before you start reading is probably not a good use of your time.

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>>18357706
Thanks, I can kind of see the conjugation already just from the practice sentences, but I feel like I need some sort of memorization tool in order to nail all the different conjugations. Negatives are pretty easy.

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>>18357720
Japanese doesn't even have conjugations, just various suffixes that you connect to the main word

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>>18357634
Not everyone is learning a billion languages anon. Japanese is the superior language second to only English.

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>>18357734
English is actually an extremely shit language. Its spellings make no sense, its grammar is laughable and extremely inflexible, over half of its words are borrowed from French and Latin, only about 20% being actually native. It's only treated as superior because the anglos use it. Back when French was the world's lingua franca it was probably treated as superior too.

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>>18357756
I love how salty ESLs get every time English is mentioned

agree with everything else though

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>>18357756
is french better than english

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>>18357646
Who are you quoting?

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Discussion about languages other than Japanese belongs on >>>/int/.

>>18357732
Japanese does have conjugations. The stems are conjugations, as are the past tense and te form. In fact everything else you attach to open-ended conjugations like the te form, ren'youkei, and *zenkei stems are conjugations as well, they just aren't fusional like you assume conjugations have to be, they're agglutinative.

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>>18357705
The /int/ threads are dead so all the shitposters there have come here.

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>>18357795
I'm pretty sure the newfriends that think greentext is only used for quotation are actually the normies from /int/

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>>18357804
I'm pretty sure you're embarrassing yourself with this post, crossboarder-kun

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>>18357821
>implying spending 4-12 hours a day for 9 years split between various boards is a bad thing for one's credibility

You're the one that's embarrassing yourself, newfag. Using only one board on 4chan signals that you're a fresh redditor that likes to check out funny memes for 30 minutes a day instead of having 4chan as a lifestyle

For the record, /int/ is one of the boards I dislike the most because it has the highest amount of sexually active people relative to board population (after /soc/)

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>>18357857
>>implying

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>>18357857
Obviously /jp/ was not one those boards.

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>>18357857
at this point I would probably stop posting

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>>18357861
>using smug anime girl as an argument

touhoufags are the cancer of otaku culture and not worth my time.

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>>18357886
hey man calm down, it's getting too embarrassed for you

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>>18357501
一兎、二兎、山斗。

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Why is everyone making the terms up themselves? Like, the dictionaries list verbs as ichidan and godan, suru verbs, etc. Meanwhile TK uses ru/eru, na-adjectives and then there's fucking core with adjectival and verbal nouns.

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>>18357603

Linguist here, >>18357634 is full of shit, don't listen to him.

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>>18358104
Fuck off, retard.

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>>18358101
consonant-stem, godan-katsuyō (五段活用, "5-class conjugation"), Group I, or -u verbs; and
vowel-stem, ichidan-katsuyō (一段活用, "1-class conjugation"), Group II, or -ru verbs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_consonant_and_vowel_verbs

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Does anybody know what the difference is between the 'Core 2k/6k Vocabulary (Optimized)' and 'Core 2l/6k/10k Vocabulary (Further Optimized)' Anki decks? Does the second deck contain the first deck, or are the contents completely different?

'Core 2k/6k Vocabulary (Optimized)':
https://mega.nz/#!QIQywAAZ!g6wRM6KvDVmLxq7X5xLrvaw7HZGyYULUkT_YDtQdgfU

'Core 2l/6k/10k Vocabulary (Further Optimized)':
https://mega.nz/#!BYJwxSBY!9ZO17Pi68KhBEjDB4xklb2iK7yxel5PNW8j2LkYkVCc

[Anonymous No.]

I've learned about 3-4k words just using anki on my way to work. I've been putting off grammar so I can actually get to reading for a while and I'm ashamed. How long would it take to get through Tae Kim's guide?

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>>18358193
The order or cards is different and more autism went into the card layout of the Core10K deck.

The Core10K contains Core2K/6K, as its name suggests. It has 4k extra cards though, at least part of the information on which (the audio) seems to come from a different source to the Core2K/6K cards (the audio on the Core2K/6K cards is very professional while the audio on the 10K exclusive cards has little effort put into it with every sentence being read in a flat, robotic voice).

In my humble opinion, the orders in both decks are bad (harmful, even) since you get a bunch of words in a row all sharing one kanji which leads to you mix them all up.

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>>18358282
>The order or cards
of*

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It's bothering me that the kanji grids I generate have so many kanji missing in early stages. I was thinking I might just look up a bunch of words that use those early kanji and add them to my deck. Any good reason why I shouldn't? I get most of my vocab from mining anyway.

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>>18358265
Go through a lesson on the way back or something
he has a mobile version

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>>18358300
>I get most of my vocab from mining anyway.
There is no problem then.

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>>18358300
>adding words to your deck just to make your kanjigrid look pretty
pure autism

are you learning japanese just to fill in pretty colors on an image that nobody but you cares about?

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>>18358320
I didn't know there was a mobile version, makes things a lot easier, thanks.

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>>18358331
Nobody but me cares about any of the things I do, though. I just thought looking at it like a checklist would help motivate me, watching it gradually fill up.

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mattvjapan just released a new version of ajatt that he claims is more efficient and comprehensive. timeline is 4 years roughly
what do you think?

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>>18358375
Fuck off, Matt.

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>>18358375
>one month to just learn kana
Dropped

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>>18358375
>RTK 1+ 3 (4 months)
No.

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>>18358403
>>18358414
Just watched the video, in it the first thing he says is that some people will obviously speed through some things and be slower on other things

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>>18358375
>still shilling meditation
sasuga matt

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>>18358375
>all those words
He could just write "Watch anime" and be done with it

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>>18358282
Sometimes I find it helpful to see differents word with the same kanji. It helps me associate the meaning and its connotations. What I always have problems remembering is which verb is transitive and which is intransitive. For example 減らす and 減る, or 割る and 割ける.

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>>18358414
this
rtk is a giant waste of time

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>>18358282
>>18358434

I too find it easier to learn different words that use the same kanji. I decided to stick with the 2k/6k deck, since I don't like the order of the cards in the 2k/6k/10k deck.

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>>18358375
>meditation
>1 fucking month to learn kana
>RTK
>only just starting on a grammar guide 5 fucking months into the process (and taking an entire month to finish it)
>sentence cards
>sentence cards from tae kim's awkward example sentences
>sentence cards from chinese-made error-riddled subs
>pitch accent
>don't read VNs or LNs until you've already been learning for over a year

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>>18358530
perhaps AJATT should be renamed all reddit all the time

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>>18358375
It's times like this when we need Sakubi.

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If anyone is idling in this thread, bored and has nothing they are reading right now, read 鳥獣ギ町のあるきかた.
https://mega.nz/#F!Mb5zULiA!irOlOCDvwT6IC8psXk1ApA

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>>18358653
Page for gauging reading level.

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>>18358659
seems pretty nice, ill read it why not
the sample image is a nice touch

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>>18358300
Because 常用漢字 list is shit and you should not care about this. You will see practically all of them sooner or later but you don't lose anything if you will learn words with kanjis naturally when you come across them in a context.

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>>18358375
I think that it's shit. Everyone has different goals in japan and hence study differently. There is a lot more bullshit to shit but I'm too tired to go into details.

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>>18358748
>There is a lot more bullshit to shit but I'm too tired to go into details.
死亡フラグを立てないでくれる

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>>18358564
i've been a stranger for the past few months, what happened to him?
i remember the easiest way to trigger someone was by pure mention of Suckubi

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>>18358375
Okay, let me put it like this:

1) If you follow this method to the letter, you WILL learn Japanese, but:

2) This method is garbage. It only works because it contains so much. You could cut out like 80% of the time spent on useless tasks in this method and it would be significantly faster and result in a higher understanding of the language in less effort and time.

Things that need to be axed:

- Early RTK1+3 (delay kanji study until the student is already reading at length for practice, or skip it entirely until basic fluency)
- "Consistent sleep schedule" (the best sleep schedule is the one where you go to sleep exactly when you are tired and wake up whenever your body wants to - even if it's inconsistent)
- Early immersion (delay it until grammar study has picked up speed)
- Sentence cards and all sentence mining
- Early monolingual transition (delay it until consuming lengthy written fiction like VNs, LNs, or "real" novels)

General complaints:

- Beginner stage should not even last three months, let alone a full year. Ten months spent on RTK and sentence cards is eight months you could spend on literally anything else or just cut out entirely. Add back in another month because transitioning from beginner to intermediate requires exposure and it was hidden away in the sections on sentence cards.
- The basics of pitch accent need to be taught as early as possible.
- Classical Japanese grammar should be studied during the advanced stage because it gives useful shortcuts for pretty much every post-intermediate grammar point that isn't just an idiom.
- Intermediate and Advanced are not separate stages, and the time it takes to go from one to the other is strictly a function of the quality and quantity of the input you consume as an intermediate.
- The fact that you switched to RTK part way into learning Japanese after having trouble with kanji and had success with it doesn't mean that RTK works. It means that you spent a lot of time using a crappy resource to target one of your weaknesses after you already laid out the unseeable groundwork for that crappy resource to work.

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>>18358834
>nobody will EVER vocalize why they don't think Sakubi is good
Every time somebody tries to they just cite the bits of fiction at the start of each segment, or some awkward wording that doesn't affect any of the actual material being taught, or some shit they can't prove like "the author's not even good at Japanese."

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>>18358881
>or some shit they can't prove like "the author's not even good at Japanese."
The earliest drafts said the author wasn't fluent, and basically implied that it was fucking pathetic that someone who wasn't fluent could make a resource that competes with the others.

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>>18358885
"Believe me."

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>>18358886
>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=sakubi&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post
It appears that safe.moe is dead.
https://twitter.com/alucard0143
A shame.

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>>18358894
Never fear, I archive random crap for no reason!
https://pastebin.com/raw/YLBUpfsZ

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>>18358903
>On the same note as the previous paragraph, a lot of the japanese examples here are contrived, and my japanese is not good enough to know if I made dysfluent mistakes in most of them. DO NOT memorize them and their translations. DO NOT make flashcards out of them. Sometimes I know 100% that an example is in bad japanese, and in such cases I'll comment on it rather than giving a real translation, but this does not mean they're the only examples with bad japanese.
This was before it apparently switched to using quotes from VNs or something. I recognize most of the examples in the current version of Sakubi from crap I've read.

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>>18358906
Although to be fair I wouldn't trust anyone who hasn't been fluently using the language all the time for at least five years to produce grammar examples for other people.

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>>18358375
Does anyone in here actually do sentence cards? I thought about it but I don't want to spend even more time in anki

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>>18358929
they're a meme

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>>18358929
In all honesty, sentence cards are a waste of time. There are ways in which they are helpful, but overall, any time spent formatting or using sentence cards is better spent consuming more input.

If you have no source of input, or your input is lacking because it's extremely narrow, then using sentence cards for kinds of input that you're not getting is technically better than not doing so, but it's better to just expand your input to include the kind of Japanese that would be in your sentence cards.

The #1 reason I see people using sentence cards is that consuming input is in some way a stressful process for them.

This could be for many reasons: consuming things that are too hard, trying to parse things out in terms of definitions and grammar patterns, consuming material that is uninteresting for them, having misconceptions about the language that are making their brain spin when they consume input, etc.

The stress is real, and makes input way less effective, so it's not useful to force your way through it unless doing so makes it go away anyway.

In this case, the best thing to do is to attack the source of the stress, not to fall back on a worse form of delivering input. The most typical is one of the three last reasons. I'll order them out again for the sake of comprehensibility:

2) Parsing/self-torture instead of reading for fun
3) Reading things that aren't fun
4) Being deceived by bad learning resources, making you confused about everything

And what you should do if you're suffering from one of these stresses when consuming input:

2) Force yourself to stop looking up ANY words or grammar for a while, to force yourself to get used to reading without torturing yourself. Gradually add back in looking words and grammar, hesitantly, once it stops being stressful to read.
3) If something is unfun after two or three days of trying to read it, find something else. I highly recommend flipping through the opening pages of manga on 試し読み・立ち読み sites if you're suffering this way, it's what I did and it worked.
4) Find new resources for individual parts of the language. Be extremely skeptical of all big-package resources and all methods, especially anything with a large identity on the internet (RTK, AJATT) or that comes out of academic language instruction (Genki, Tobira). This isn't because these resources or methods are necessarily bad. Rather, it's because they're overly guided, and always have holes in them, and you will be confused by anything they forget to explain or the things that they explain incorrectly. Some methods, like AJATT, contain little information about Japanese itself, but rather say so much about the process of language acquisition that a lot of what they say is completely wrong by sheer statistical chance.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

ほしいほんがたかかった

[Anonymous No.]

Can anyone help me with the vocal translation of this phrase in the video?
The translation says "that's a duck" but I'd like to know what youmu is saying word for word , she says it super fast and I can't hear it. 7:15 is where Youmu says "that's a duck"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08TfMiUqks4

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>>18359037
あひるじゃん

あひる is a domestic duck

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>>18358929
They take ages to make and you have to make sure the source for both the original sentence and its translation are reliable lest you force yourself to memorize broken Japanese.

Moreover, since you see/hear the words in your deck while reading/listening anyway, having example sentences for them is redundant. You get plenty of "example sentences" through exposure.

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>character flubs part of a saying to be quirky, or just forgetful

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys try and memorize the example sentences from the core deck on anki? I've found that writing them down helps me memorize some words but it seems like it's gonna be a huge waste of paper in the long run

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たいわんのあのん

ごぶじですか

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>>18359087
>you can't actually tell what they're saying cause you don't actually know what the saying is originally

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>>18359101
なんで？何が起こった、たいわんで

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>>18359144
じしん

２００にんくらい

まだたすけられるかもしれない

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>>18359015
>おはよう
You made that post at around 5:40pm in Japan. Try a little harder with the internal consistency, you cancerous roleplaying manchild.

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If anyone cares, I have written a userscript that automatically plays audio files on Ankiweb.
https://greasyfork.org/en/scripts/38176-ankiweb-autoplay

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Is it all right if I don't get everything while reading? Or am I shooting myself in the foot?

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>>18359052
I appreciate it a lot anon . Thanks. I shall think of you every time I see the ducks.

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>>18359227
keep on reading and mark the words you can't guess the meaning of or new characters

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>>18359227
you can skip over some random side shit people say, but if you make it a habit of skipping you'll miss key points which can snowball into giant misunderstandings

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>>18359227
If you did get everything it would mean you were fluent. Until you're fluent, it's inevitable that you will run into things which you can't make sense of.

If you can barely understand anything at all and it's not your first week of reading, then what you're reading is probably too advanced for you right now. Same applies to the reverse situation - if you know you're not fluent but are having virtually no problems with what you're reading, then it's too easy for you and you should probably look for something a bit more challenging.

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>>18359227
わかんないたんごが

しょうせつなら１ページに５個

まんがなら１ページに１個だよ

ちょうどいいほんを

えらべるせんせいをさがしてね

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>>18359227
It's ok but you should work toward 100% comprehension.

[Anonymous No.]

what prereqs should I have before I try understanding raw anime

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>>18359322
Having read the guide for one.

[Anonymous No.]

あのんにしつもんがあります

くちをつつしむって

えいごでなんていったらつうじますか

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>>18359324
the guide goes over a progression path for reading. it doesnt cover listening at all

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>>18359322
understand spoken japanese

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>>18359351
Jesus anon if that's how much effort you're putting into just reading English you night as well just stop now

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>>18359332
be careful in speechじゃない？

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>>18359352
For
>>18359340

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>>18359369
you're trying so hard to appear smart or whatever when yuou're just wrong lol

exact archetype of every generic retard that participates on forums without ever progressing or improving at the subject of said forum

die

[Anonymous No.]

How about reading the guide

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my hypothesis:
-ASU verb is transitive

減らすherASU/減る
増やすfuyASU/増える
燃やすmoyASU/燃える
流す/流れる
凍らす/凍る
生やす/生える
焦がす/焦げる
逃がす/逃げる
揺らす/揺れる
伸ばす/伸びる
冷やす/冷える

[Anonymous No.]

Is playing games that are voiced in English in Japanese text pointless? There are some games I want to play through and Japanese dubs are much rarer than Japanese text, so I wondered if I should go for it or just get the original experience and play it in English if I will only lessen my enjoyment by not understanding a lot of text.

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>>18359059
The purpose of example sentences on the backs of normal vocabulary cards is to disambiguate the English synonyms. It's different from sentence cards, which aren't vocabulary cards.

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>>18359322
Just do it whenever you want to. It's not chemistry, it doesn't have to be perfect.

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>Twitterのbioとかでほとんど日本語なのに「I am a Japanese artist.」みたいの書いてあるの見ると、そんなの言われんでも日本語で書いてあるじゃん！って思う
I’m assiming 言われん slang for 言われない in this context.

I know you can slur words that like わからない into わからん but does it still work on (all) ichidan verbs (できん, 食べん)? It’s not as obvious that it’s the negative form because it doesn’t have the ”a” sound that clearly indicates that it’s the negative form.

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>>18359668
Yes, but 食べん sounds strange at the slightest.

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>>18359668
I think できん is usually negative but I remember seeing that when it's できんの it can mean both the positive (できるの？） and negative （できないの？） depending on the context and intonation

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>>18359432
either play it in japanese text with jap or no audio or accept that you're not learning japanese and enjoy the game

if bilingual input worked everyone on /a/ would be fluent

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>>18358375
>Adopt a "parent"
am I the only person here who doesn't know what this means

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>>18359929
Probably an autistic way of saying "Get a tutor"

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>>18358375
>native level
Anyway, it's stupid to make a 3-4 year plan, since you can figure everything out by yourself after completing a grammar guide or something. You could make a guide in a single sentence: "look up what you don't understand", but it wouldn't help, since people that cling to guides like they were holy texts are the ones who are usually bad at researching. What people need to get good at (in my opinion) is determining what the unknown information is (in grammar, vocabulary, whatever), determining the importance of that information, researching whatever your unknown X is, and determining whether you'll have to make a conscious effort to memorise it (and if so, how).

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>>18358375
そんなはやさで

できるの？

[Anonymous No.]

Why doesn't someone upload their mining deck with a list of everything they've read in order so people can follow it?

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Japans example of a chinese speaking japanese always end their sentences with aru and is that any way related to gozaru?

[Anonymous No.]

How do you go about looking up Kanji you don't know in a manga? I usually use radicals to search for the Kanji but that feels like a massive pain in the ass. Drawing them in google translate with my mouse is also relatively time consuming since I'm apparently to inept to draw them properly and I need multiple tries for each kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>finish reading one manga
>feel confident
>start reading another one
>get absolutely destroyed by its vocabulary

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>>18358653
Now I want to read くまみこ and 繰繰れ! コックリさん.
ほたるちゃん is top notch adorable.
Also: 長襦袢. Cool.

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>>18360223
I have a spreadsheet with mined words and their source, as they were added. It's a few months out of date since I took a break from everything and afterwards kind of forgot to keep track since I changed my mining approach. Off the top of my head, it contains somewhere between 5k and 6k mined words.
I was also using a premade vocab deck at the same time so if the person wanted to read the same things using those mined words as a kind of guide, they wouldn't be seeing full coverage.
If anyone is interested in that sort of thing it wouldn't be hard to slap a deck together out of it. Might have to make a list of any missing kanji otherwise found in the Core decks, since they are the bread and butter of premade recs.

>>18360287
Gotta keep pushing that stone.

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Why's so many in these threads talking about learning speed you should have, like it's a measurement whether you can learn Japanese or not.

Should I feel bad for studying at slow pace because I got all the time in the world and no exam deadlines since this isn't a course with exam.

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>>18360356
slow is fine as long as you don't mind

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>>18360356
あんまりおそいと

やくそくをやぶってしまうかもしれない

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>>18360363

The only deadline I have is N5 which will be held in next December because my country's irrelevant

If I was ambitious I'd aim for N4 don't feel like rushing things. I'd probably end up taking a larger bite than I can chew.

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>>18357756
>It's only treated as superior because the anglos use it.
Now you're getting it

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>>18360356

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>>18360356
>Should I feel bad for studying at slow pace because I got all the time in the world and no exam deadlines since this isn't a course with exam.

Hell no.
日本人が日本語を読んだり聞いたりできるようになるのに、10年～15年ぐらいはかかるでしょう？
それと同じだけのことを0から始めるんだから、時間がかかるのは当たり前じゃないですか。

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>>18360408
Check out >>18360371
If anon is aiming for N4, chances are he won't get much understanding out of your post.

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what the fuck

how come no one told me studying works

i felt like i was making no progress ever but suddenly i can read way better than i used to

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>>18360446
>>18360356
Even Japanese people take more than ten years to master Japanese, so it is no wonder that foreigners will take many years. t.native

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360522
Stop comparing 60 IQ infants to adults, you fucking retard.

[Anonymous No.]

I think they put the wrong example sentence in for this card

[Anonymous No.]

Is N4 really as easy as the sample questions make it look?

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any additional resources on job interviews?

I sent out a few applications on an international recruitment job board before realizing that an interview in Japanese would demand some specific information that I am currently incapable of expressing.There is a book on writing e-mails in Japanese that I got from the guide, but I can't expect it to help once I get to the interview.

There is a video series on youtube with example interview scenarios, but I'm having trouble following along without a transcription.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sY0nWEfLLeM

From what I could gather, the questions asked are similar to what I've been taught to expect, but Japanese employers are probably going to have their own set of standards than employers I've interviewed with in America.

[Anonymous No.]

>ask japanese person about some grammar or kanji
>they dont fucking know or are pulling excuses because theyre lazy

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360603
Don't worry the JET interview is in english.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360603
the solution to interviews in japanese is to learn japanese

its not just remembering a few set phrases or whatever. sure you can get some basic poitners on how to enter the room or whatever but they can ask literally anything.

if youre not at a level where you can do an interview in japanese then youre not at a level to do the job

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360604
It's much harder to explain things about a language you acquired passively than about one that you studied actively.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360611
Not for JET but I sent my application to a few electronics makers. Most employers in my area are looking for software developers and very few are interested in an electronics engineer. I've considered sending applications to China and Taiwan where most of the eastern semiconductor production facilities are but I have 0 motivation or desire to learn Mandarin.

I guess I'll try looking for more sample interviews to get a general idea of what to expect and then I could try prepping for anything else I could think they could ask.

[Anonymous No.]

is yuyushiki a step up or down in difficulty compared to yotsuba?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360706
SEASON 2 WHEN?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360710
DON'T YELL AT ME I DON'T KNOW

[Anonymous No.]

>>18358952
Wtf, it's just a variation of mining you retarded autist

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360710
NEVER AND IT FUCKING HURTS

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360371
I hope this post is a joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360802

Why

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360811
Because if you spend a year to hit N5 level you will die of old age before learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360591
i dont know about n4 but N2 was a lot more difficult than the mock tests/questions etc make it out to be

[Anonymous No.]

Is there anyway to end a word with a hard double L in Japanese? I tried to write out my last name (McConnell) in kana and I realized I was at a complete loss for how to do it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360869
マックコンネル゛

ル turns into a hard double l when it has dakuten

[Anonymous No.]

>>18359470
>The purpose of example sentences on the backs of normal vocabulary cards is to disambiguate the English synonyms.
That shouldn't be necessary unless you're using a pre-made deck and have thus never seen the word in context before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360819
Not him but why does everyone here seem to be in such a fucking hurry? I'm learning moonrunes for my own pleasure and sense of satisfaction, not to hit some sort of arbitrary goal as soon as possible. If it takes me ten years to be able to speak Japanese conversationally than so be it, I'm young and in no rush.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360869
>ミッチ・マコーネル
Maybe something like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360710
Right after Spice and Wolf S3.

[Anonymous No.]

I just got my copy of Tae Kim and started going through it. There is this example in it:

>誰が学生?
and
>学生は誰?

I understand that the first one is something you would say if you want to identify some student in a room full of people, and the second is something you ask when you want to know the identity of a specific student. Have I understood this correctly?
Thanks!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360279
kanjitomo

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360869
No.

Jisho has a name dictionary which includes common kanafications of non-Japanese names though, so if you ever want to know how to write a non-Japanese name in kana, just go to Jisho and search:
>[your name here] #names

Another thing to try is looking for a Wikipedia page about someone with that name, then switching the page to the Japanese version (if one exists).

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that you won't even be able to read an average vn without a dictionary if you don't have at least 25k cards in anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18361033
If you don't study fast enough, you're going to grow out of your Japanese phase before actually learning the language!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18349576
An anon in the previous thread talked about how they succesfully went around the new version of FujiTV to watch without having to put a new email everyday by hacking the timer as it was possible before January. Does anyone have a new script?
I tried to look at the new HTML and mess around with the old Javascript to adapt it, but couldn't succeed. If I had an old version of the HTML/ JS saved I could at least compared but I don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18361033
It's not arbitrary. The point of going fast is so that you can transition from the beginner phase (which is not pleasurable or satisfying, especially for years on end) to using the language comfortably (which is). If you spend too long in the beginner phase incapable of just having fun with the language, you're likely to burn out.

[Anonymous No.]

guidetojapanese.org is kill?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18361086
Unfortunately, when things like that become public, someone will post it on Reddit, which the chinks actively browse to try and shill their service.

Making a new account isn't that much of a hassle, most of the shows I like are on at weird times anyway so I just use douga getter to rip them off miomio when they get posted to one of the aggregate sites. If I need to watch something live, making a new account 5 minutes in advance is no biggie.

[Anonymous No.]

Hi /djt/, i've lurked these threads there and there, i'll just make this quick.
I'm halfway through my first read and while i definitely picked up some words/grammar points, i'm having lots of trouble with parsing / making the grammar clear. It is not uncommon for me to spend 15 minutes on a single page.
I've skipped Core 2k because i feel like building vocabulary in a dynamic way like reading is more entretaining.
I've considered sentence order cards but, looking at these posts above, i'm slightly confused.
What do?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18361419
>/djt/
Stopped reading there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18361110
Without telling me the exact details,
Will I know when I left the begginer's phase?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18361546
Of course.

[Anonymous No.]

Oh man, I stopped doing new cards for like 2 - 3 weeks and my review time is now less than half. Seems I was done after 13 minutes day. Beginning to think it might be worth it to just turn off new cards to get some young cards matured and ease review difficulty. Originally did it because of upcoming exams.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18357501
Actually didn't do my reps today because I had an exam.

[Anonymous No.]

>finally managing to read kana words written with slurred or colloquial speech without assistance

[Anonymous No.]

>>18361875
You acquire true enlightenment when you don't have to deal with those because you read quality books.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18358653
alright

[Anonymous No.]

>>18361748
You're deceiving yourself into thinking that maturing those young cards is progress. You are not learning anything on the days you turn off new cards. I turned off new cards today, and they'll be off for a few days since I have circumstances that will require me to complete my reps as quickly as possible on Saturday, so I understand, but be careful to not fall into the trap of not turning them back on.

[Anonymous No.]

Could you please help me with this sentence. I'm not quite sure what it is trying to convey.
「これは失礼。……いや、自分に否がないからこその態度と、賞賛すべきですかな？」
否 is supposed to be read as ひ, the texthooker has stripped the furigana.

[Anonymous No.]

So what's the consensus on AJATT? Worth doing or a sham? Also, how do I make myself more consistent with reading? I often find myself taking days off of reading and I can't seem to make myself get into a habit of doing it like I did with anki

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362188
>Also, how do I make myself more consistent with reading?
meditate

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362165
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q13131421503

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362188
>Also, how do I make myself more consistent with reading? I often find myself taking days off of reading and I can't seem to make myself get into a habit of doing it like I did with anki
Read stuff you actually want to read.

There's bound to be at least one manga/LN-based anime you enjoyed. Try reading the source material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362212
go away matt

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362188
why are you learning japanese if you dont want to use it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362227
i have been reading stuff I enjoy, i'm just new to reading and it's a slog because it takes me so long to get through a certain amount
like in an hour I get through what it'd take you probably 20 minutes

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know of any Japanese speaking internet communities which have basic enough vocabulary that Japanese learners can reasonably lurk them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362242
I'd like to know that myself.
The more Japanese I learn the less I enjoy using it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362188
>So what's the consensus on AJATT?

People that have done it are fluent.

People that haven't done it are salty that someone got fluent doing something else than what they were told to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362217
I appreciate your help but I'm afraid it still does not clarify the sentence to me or rather I've got the feeling I'm misinterpreting it. Just to be sure, who is 自分 referring to?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362355
The person themselves for not seeing what is wrong with what they said.

[Anonymous No.]

who here /takingitez/?

I've been dealing with a lot of stuff lately so all I've been doing is keeping up with anki without adding any new words and flipping through manga when I feel like it. Feels good to never EVER burnout. Slow and steady, boys, slow and steady...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362415
Thank you. I think I finally managed to grasp it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360706
Up.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the basic gesalt on actually taking Japanese classes taught by a professional Japanese teacher? Has anyone ever done it before? Do you think it's worth it or no?

[Anonymous No.]

http://www.americanliteraryreview.com/martin-rock.html

>repeats the phrase “sugoi ne! sugoi ne!”
which translates roughly to “isn’t it great!”

lel why are Americans such dumbfucks?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362483
>What's the basic gesalt on actually taking Japanese classes
You'll experience gestaltzerfall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362310
guess you don't need to be here then, bye

[Anonymous No.]

>>18358659
Sadly it took me halft an hour to read that and I am not even sure if I understood it correctly.
I guess I should continue with the core deck and Yotsuba for now.

>>18359427
Interesting... I will pay attention to this when I study.

>>18360279
Capture2Text

[Anonymous No.]

I'm really good at reading doujins but much worse at reading anything else

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362529
>I'm really good at reading porno comics but much worse at reading anything else
That just means you're bad at reading, period.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362529
You are what you eat (or read).

What did you expect?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362534
You're right. I've only been learning for four months so I'm not too worried.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362506
>all that salt

Can I shake you over my soup?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362188
If you can't even make yourself read consistently, how do you plan on making yourself do All Japanese All The Time?

[Anonymous No.]

I'm much happier after quitting Core and focusing on reading and mining

[Anonymous No.]

>>18359427
http://nihongo.monash.edu/ti_list.html
This page is shitty and the tables aren't clearly divided when scrolling quickly to find the next one, but one of them is
>In the next table the transitive verbs all end in す. Many of these see an intransitive/transitive pattern of eru-asu: (ける→かす, れる→らす etc.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360769
It's not. It's a waste of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18361030
That is exactly what they're for, pre-made decks. Of course, for mining it's nice to know where you got the word, but that's different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362310
>>18362572
Go away, Matt. This place is actively hostile towards like half of your advice.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

なにしてますか

[Anonymous No.]

Would this be how to say Question Everything in Japanese?
すべてを質問

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362685
Yes! Well done.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18357756
English spelling is a mess because of the Normans, but English sounds very nice and is very information dense when spoken. I think it's a good language.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is it 貼っとく?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362740
貼っておく
do something in advance etc

[Anonymous No.]

People say study by reading but how are you supposed to know if you are interpreting everything correctly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362747
Thanks

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362761
考えるな
感じろ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362761
Use your brain. How often do you think people worry about this when told that you have to study by reading? Clearly there must be something you're missing that makes it feel silly to worry about.

[Anonymous No.]

What does かかる generally mean as a verb suffix?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362768
If only there were a three-word catchphrase about this that was really hard to forget. Maybe a quote from a famous movie.

[Anonymous No.]

when you guys mine a word and find multiple words with the same pronunciation, do you add them too? i usually do if I know the kanji in it but i dont know if its worth it since theres no reinforcement behind it or context

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362768
So you're saying you've read everything 100% correctly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362819
No, you're thinking too hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362761
Post the sentence on /djt/ to check if you've got it right

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362761
Think. Does what youre reading make sense? No?Then you're probably not interpreting it correctly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362824
>Think.
bad advice

[Anonymous No.]

is there a symphogear fan in the house with a very good command of japanese

i have a question that isn't going to make any sense out of context

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362653
>jp is a safe space, pls leave

I think I'll stay

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362873
Man, trapping people here is really easy.

[EMERSON EDUARDO RODRIGUES SETI(...) No.]

>>18362880
reverse sychology I see

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362824
>>18362768
I see people here post questions about a page/panel and even the things they think they got right get corrected by others.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362913
So?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362761
Even natives misinterpret things occasionally. Stop aiming for perfection, it's like trying to "master" kana before moving on to learn anything else, you will get shit down much faster if you just move forward.
Yes, you will have to look shit up. If you are spending more time looking things up than reading, you might be reading something too hard for you. But you're not producing a professional translation, you are exposing yourself to native language and trying to understand what is being described. Perfection is not the goal. Reading a lot is the goal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362761
If a sentence makes complete sense to you - you know all the grammatical terms involved, you know what particles are modifying what clauses - there's a good chance that you have the grammar right.

If you have to "interpret very hard" to extract meaning from a sentence there's a good chance you've fucked it up and there's really no way to tell whether or not you actually did fuck you up. At this point you can either try to Google JP for the grammatical construction that you're "interpreting", ask for help, or just decide you don't actually care.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362935
Also, below a certain level, you may just want to skip Google and search a grammar dictionary to make sure you haven't failed to know a stock construction.

Everybody will run into sentences that fuck them up but if a majority of the sentences you're trying to read are fucking you up you should get something easier to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18357603
eliminate reps, vocab
Study kanji, study grammar, and then read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362310
>People that have done it are fluent.
The people you're referring to didn't even do AJATT. Even the inventor of AJATT didn't do AJATT.

They did do a lot of listening and reading. They did make sentence cards. But their adherence to the AJATT method ends there. All the rest of the advice they give is things that they didn't themselves do ("don't read a grammar guide", "do RTK before anything else", and so on).

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363080
There is nothing wrong with vocabulary study, and it's generally much more productive than Kanji study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362916
That means people will think they're right even when they fuck up.

[Anonymous No.]

was thinking about importing some books and light novels, is amazon jp the best way to go for that?
I would prefer to read it on the djt library, but I have no idea where to go to find transcribed copies of japanese books like that that aren't on there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362251
One thing I find helpful is to switch up my reading material. Moving from one thing to another instead of being stuck on the same thing for months makes it feel like much less of a slog.

Finish one volume of an LN/manga, move onto a different LN/manga. It helps keep things feeling fresh and interesting.

At the end of the day, in terms of learning, reading the first chapter of a thousand different manga is the same as reading a thousand chapters of a single manga. If anything, it's maybe better for you since you get more variety in writing style and vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362783
https://amaterasu.tindabox.net/guide/CV.php#kakaru

[Anonymous No.]

>>18362572
no salt, just go
you have no use of the guide here if you have a better method, so there is no point in staying really

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363110
Misunderstanding things isn't inherently threatening to your learning. Your mental model for the language should get more accurate as you hear the words and phrases you are misunderstanding used in more contexts.
It's not like forced production where you repeatedly make the same mistake over and over. Many different examples with context should clear things up as you encounter the same words/phrases more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18358375
>sentences
Enjoy NOGAINS.
AJATT and JALUP faggots shill "sentences" to sell "sentence decks" at a ridiculous cost.
It's a waste. Just read books VN and manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363100
Being familiar with the kanji allows you to absorb vocabulary while reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363268
[citation needed]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363265
I personally think that sentences are a shit idea, but
>to sell "sentence decks" at a ridiculous cost.
most people I've seen suggest them suggest mining them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363094
>All the rest of the advice they give is things that they didn't themselves do ("don't read a grammar guide", "do RTK before anything else", and so on).
This, so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363365
>most people I've seen suggest them suggest mining them
AJATT and JALUP also suggest them but then suggest buying their sentence decks as a shortcut.
It's a joke. The human brain is great at pattern recognition. So the most important thing should obviously be to read a ton of sentences to establish patterns, not review the sentences you've already read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363598
>>18363094
not sure if we're on the same page but the new version appears to have grammar study included >>18358375

but in my opinion this makes sentence cards even more obsolete since the only explanation I could think of for their past inclusion was that they were meant as a substitute for grammar study. Interpreting them as a substitute for reading (like how most people seem to view sentence cards) just isn't congruous with the rest of AJATT's credo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363692
Even worse, there are a lot of people who only consume media for the sake of mining sentence cards, and stop reading after 10 or whatever minutes once their mining quota is completed.

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, this is really bothering me, I'm trying to figure out what this word is. You hear it in variety all the time, as a cue to start a segment or VTR or something. It sounds like they're saying "kojira". Anyone have any idea what I'm talking about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363726
Post an actual clip. You lack phonemic awareness and are picking out the wrong sounds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363726
it sounds like it has to be こちら but this is so easy that I doubt it's what you're actually referring to

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363726
godzilla

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363692
>not sure if we're on the same page but the new version appears to have grammar study included >>18358375
It's not the "new version", it's just MattVsJapan's method (which he didn't even use).

But it goes to show my point anyway. Since this Matt guy came along, people keep pointing to him as an example that the AJATT method works... and yet he did things that AJATT says not to and tells other people to do things that AJATT says not to. How is he an example that AJATT works when he thinks it's so flawed that he had to come up with his own version of it?

[Anonymous No.]

Just do the Moogy method.
- Get a basic understanding of Japanese however you want. Don't spend a long time on it. Maybe six months.
- Read VNs for hours on end every single day for six months. No matter how hard it is. Don't use machine translation or parsers.
- You now know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363758
https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/131728572884

>I had been taking classes since around 2008 or so, but due to ~circumstances~ I ended up with a lot of free time for about six months starting from the end of 2009. I decided that fuck it, I might as well devote my time to learning Japanese, so I pretty much just sat there and read eroge in Japanese (painstakingly, by manually looking up every word in lines I hooked with AGTH - no fancy VN reader tools back then) for anywhere from 5-10 hours a day. I also forced myself to stop watching anime with subs completely; one of the first shows I watched raw was actually Katanagatari! It took me like two hours to get through every episode of that show but going "cold turkey" definitely helped a lot.
>I had also been a fansub editor for a while before all that, which also helped with general familiarity with the language and such since I had to actually pay attention to the dialogue in anime and how it was translated.
>Anyway, near the end of 2010 I decided to see how I'd do on the N1 practice test on the JLPT site. It was a total joke so I decided to go ahead and take the actual thing in December. Long story short I passed it with a 176/180 or something. The N1 is hyped up as some sort of holy grail of Japanese learning, but honestly, if you ask me, I think it's pretty much on par with those standardized reading comprehension tests everyone took back in middle school. If you can read eroge in Japanese without much issue and watch raw anime, I don't really see how there's any way you couldn't pass it, since it's all multiple choice and only tests vocabulary and reading comprehension.

>prior groundwork (classes)
>prior passive exposure to japanese (anime)
>six months of free time
>5-10 hours of VNs daily
>One year later, aced the N1
>Improved dramatically since then (first translation was shit)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363758
>>18363771
>parsers
Like Yomichan?

Also, he didn't use Anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363899
Parsers are things like chiitrans or Translation Aggregator.

>Anki
https://ask.fm/moogy0/answers/139549834452

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363907
I wish I could pull that off, but I find kanji makes it really hard to learn to actually read words from memory without using something like Anki to force your brain to pay proper attention to the way words are written.

It definitely is possible to learn to read them without Anki, but it takes a lot of coming across the same word to make it click that way for me. Maybe I'm just too lazy a reader.

[Anonymous No.]

How can you download subs off animelon.com? I think I've read someone say they did it here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363771
>one of the first shows I watched raw was actually Katanagatari! It took me like two hours to get through every episode of that show
He really shouln't have used Katanagatari as an example, as it has 40 minute episodes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363751
>>18363758
>>18363771
>>18363907
>e-celeb shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364006
>kmb

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone read GOSICK (the LN)? What's the difficulty like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18358929
I do sentence cards :3

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363907
wow what an idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>18360408
I know that the entire text is full if easy words and simple grammar, but it still feels really good to read something and understand it 100% on the very first try.

[Anonymous No.]

かわいい is used here instead of 可愛い.

I don't understand why the kanji isn't used here, is there a different meaning in hiragana only form?

[Anonymous No.]

What the fug is going on here? Am I, by any chance, reading a digitized version of the LN which has been converted into image files? This blue, underlined text looks an awful lot like it was once hyperlinked. What the fuck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363758
>Don't spend a long time on it. Maybe six months.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364272
Some more images.

Here's a regular page of text. The font looks bad and yet there are no visible artifacts like you would expect if it were the result of a crappy scan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364272
>>18364280
Yep. Rendering of a digitization.

Japanese pirates prefer images for LNs over digital text because regular software is so bad at rendering text in the same way Japanese LNs are formatted. It's possible now, but too little, too late.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364280
And here's what the illustrations look like.

For some reason they have huge white borders and again the quality looks bad despite no visible artifacting. It's like someone did a nearest neighbor upscale on all the images and slapped the result on a page of the same size as the text pages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364296
>and again the quality looks bad despite no visible artifacting
There are bad resampling artifacts there. Definitely not something from scanning, and yet exactly the kind of artifact that can only be gotten by badly rendering a digital copy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364289
Fucking hell.

What are the chances that this is based on an official digitization? There don't seem to be any regular scans of the physical LN floating about, and I haven't seen any actually digitized versions either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364309
Almost positive it's based on an official digitization.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364241
why would a chart obviously aimed at beginners go out of its way to use kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364314
That's reassuring at least.

Is there any way I can find out for certain?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364315
i mean, its in a guide that heavily stressed the importance of kanji in the beginning, so i assumed there was another reason of not using kanji rather than just making it easier to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364321
https://booklive.jp/product/index/title_id/360433/vol_no/001

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364326
It is a word that is often written in kana. I don't know if I agree with the change if you're going to push kanji otherwise, because words that are often written in kana are the ones that punish you later if you think that means you can avoid learning the kanji, but that's a potential reason for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364326
かわいい has no homonyms and is unmistakable in kana; writing it in kanji does not make it easier to read

if there is no actual reason to use kanji, "why does this not use kanji?" is a pointless question

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364356
川言い

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364360
側良い

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364360
>>18364363
川達～別れ編～

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364380
What the fuck is with google translate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364326
Some words are usually written in kana for one reason or another

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364387

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364384
出来ないちゃん works at google, they gave her a window office and a pinball machine

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364384
whoever designed it thinks giving up and spitting out romaji isn't as good as going full retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>18357634
I wrote a Perl6 script that does most conjugations just for the hell of it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364407
>Perl6

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364411
https://perl6.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364413
>https://perl6.org/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364417
https://pastebin.com/xLJUpDz7

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364454
Why would you spend so much time writing code in a fictional programming language, anon? Everyone knows that Perl is stuck at Perl 5 Forever, and Perl 6 is Never.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364477
Good unicode, regex, and built-in grammar support. I had also hoped it would be a good way for me of learning by repeated usage. Sadly it didn't work out quite that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364481

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364481
Time for you to write a recursive descent parser for simple arithmetic in C++ or something. Have fun!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364491
The last part, for polite forms, actually makes a good deal of sense to me, and I use it as notes. I find it a lot easier to understand at a glance than tables.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364454
Your ichidan regex fails to consider that while all ichidan verbs end in iru/eru, not all verbs that end in iru/eru are ichidan.

>>18364413
I looked at the FAQ about differences between 5 and 6, and I'm still not sure if the language is actually an elaborate and high-effort joke.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364504
Honestly, Perl 6 has a bunch of good ideas, but it's bogged down by paranoia against people hating Perl for being Perl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364504
It's a quick, back-of-the-envelope method in lieu of consulting a Japanese dictionary for each word.

And yes, it is a serious language. It has an interpreter and everything. Even as a Pythonista, I have high hopes for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364321
>>18364309
>and I haven't seen any actually digitized versions either
>Is there any way I can find out for certain?
The two largest digital retailers, Amazon and Rakuten both have ebook versions of the ゴブリンスレイヤー novel. Both easy to remove the DRM from, with Rakuten being the easiest. I'd provide direct links but they are long and messy.
https://www.amazon.co.jp/ - use the Kindleストラ search option
https://books.rakuten.co.jp/ - select the 電子書籍 menu before searching
Also, the back pages of the book have publication information and provide a direct link to the details: http://www.sbcr.jp/products/4797386158.html
You can use the above methods for any other books you come across with mysterious origins. Failing that, books have to have an ISBN printed someone on the book, usually right at the front of right at the back. For this book, it is ISBN 978-4-7973-8615-8. There are search engines, like https://isbnsearch.org/ to look up books this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>it's a scene with sumo/baseball vocabulary

[Anonymous No.]

>>18363771
>The N1 is hyped up as some sort of holy grail of Japanese learning, but honestly, if you ask me, I think it's pretty much on par with those standardized reading comprehension tests everyone took back in middle school. If you can read eroge in Japanese without much issue and watch raw anime, I don't really see how there's any way you couldn't pass it, since it's all multiple choice and only tests vocabulary and reading comprehension.
This really needs to be in the OP of every thread. Here's a third guy with a 170+ N1 score who just read and didn't use autistic learning methods.

>>18363899
>Also, he didn't use Anki?
Lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364584
>This really needs to be in the OP of every thread
nothing needs to be in the thread but the guide, least of all about JLPT shit normalfags put on resumes

[Anonymous No.]

>reading VNs
Why would anyone inflict themselves with that kind of suffering

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364605
beats me

[Anonymous No.]

>learning Japanese
Why would anyone inflict themselves with that kind of suffering

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364614
all those poor natives

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364639
They don't learn it, they're born with it. It's a perk of being a descendent of the sun god

[Anonymous No.]

Anki just added new cards when I was in the middle of reviewing my deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364661
Time to uninstall and start over.

[Anonymous No.]

How long did it take you to get to your current level of understanding and how good are you at japanese? I constantly hear timelines of 1 year+ being thrown around to become fluent but I seriously doubt anyone actually takes that long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364647
how do they deal with the copyright issues from the egyptians and Ra

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364661
You should have backups automatically saved in your roaming data, right? Just load up one of those.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364675
anyone who takes longer than 6 months to pass N1 should apply for disability tbqph

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364661
The new day timer must've ticked over. If you have irregular sleeping habits, it's pretty much inevitable that you will "miss" a day, probably sooner rather than later, and get double reviews because of the new day timer.

You can adjust the timer to make the new day start at a different time, but if you move the timer backwards at all then it will case Anki to skip forward a day. The problem is, you can only move the timer forward so much - once you get to "23 hours past midnight", there's nowhere to go but backwards so fucking with the timer is basically just delaying the inevitable unfortunately.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364675
i can understand the news and read mishima's works with 95% comprehension. currently on week 4 with rosetta stone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364684
Wait nevermind, I misunderstood your post. Clearly I cannot learn any language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364675
if you can't learn japanese after just one cursory glance at a 4chan anime banner you should probably just beat yourself to death with a shovel

[Anonymous No.]

Some people talked about conjugation here. Instead of Anki cards, why not make a conjugation drill tool similar to the Kana drill tool just to get used to some basic conjugation. I think it will certainly be conductive to the process of learning by immersion, just making you more aware of it all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364711
The best conjugation drill tool is reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364675
~400 hours - started reading
~1000 hours - jlpt 1 hardly passed
~1500 hours - can read easy vns without a dictionary
~2000 - can read hardest vns or japanese literature with a dictionary, have to look up tremendous amount of words
~2800 hours same as ^ but less words and better comprehension overall.

[Anonymous No.]

How do Japanese abbreviations work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364675
over 9000 hours to get to N6

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364753
delete unstressed vowels and consonants until you have something that sounds unique and is easy to say

[Anonymous No.]

さっきなか卯入ったらサーバルがアナウンスしてて爆笑した

Is there anyone who is training listening skill by watching the Kemono Friends? How much can you catch?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364816
Season 2 when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364905
never, hopefully

[Anonymous No.]

What's the general nuance when male characters use the downward-pitch わ as a sentence ender and aren't speaking in kansai-ben? Is it a tsukkomi kind of thing?

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18364816
なか卯きんじょにない

𠮷野家さんもない

松屋さんもない

[Anonymous No.]

Is Mahoyo japanese hard for a complete beginner?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365038
えいごＭＯＤあるみたいだよ

[Anonymous No.]

渡加
渡欧
渡仏
渡米

[Anonymous No.]

遠き日の石に刻み
砂に影おち
崩れ墜つ
天地のまなか
一輪の花の幻

[Anonymous No.]

>北海道立北方民族博物館

Can someone please tell me what's the kanji 立 being used for in this case?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365243
それ

よむひつようある？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365243
県立、都立、府立、道立

[Anonymous No.]

>額（がく）
>額（ひたい）

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365327
>端

[Anonymous No.]

きょうはこおりがとけた

だんだんはるめくかもしれない

[Anonymous No.]

Why does goo dictionary list the potential form of verbs and noun form of adjectives?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365790
>the potential form of verbs and noun form of adjectives?
見える　とか　若さ　とか？
書ける　とか　楽しさ　とかは　載ってないね

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365790
Makes entries more concise and contained, reducing redundancy.
Though it isn't goo itself doing this, they are merely providing the entries provided by the dictionary services they use. デジタル大辞泉 the 大辞林 第三版. Weblio, as well as Yahoo and Google Japanese dictionary sites all provide the same entries found in the aforementioned two dictionaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365861
>デジタル大辞泉 the 大辞林 第三版
デジタル大辞泉 and the 大辞林 第三版*
These are the two chiefly used sources for monolingual entries. Their J-E results populate from EDICT, etc.

[Anonymous No.]

reading goblinslayer, got questions.
with regards to elfs how do I read 長耳 and 耳長の
on-on? kun-kun?

I keep getting that problem with it.
Was reading 女神官 as じょしんかん for a while before stumbling onto an official transcription that said おんなしんかん

Is farm owner 牧場主　ー　ぼくじょうぬし or ぼくじょうしゅ？

Is 初仕事　ー　はつしごと or しょしごと？
Intersting enough - googleIME recognized both of those spellings as 「初仕事」 for me just now.

This wasn't a problem before as I was reading books with audiobooks along a playing fully voiced VNs, but now that I'm trying to just read independently this is becoming an issue.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364272
Oh! another guy is reading GS here.
Here is the magnet with 6 LNs in *.TXT
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:8f7a0c5cc7031606d4ac5c579c8126895e0c8024

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365938
>女神官
あんまりいみはかわらないんだけど

語感がかたかったり

やわらかかったりするよ

↑かたい
女神官じょしんかん
女神官にょしんかん
女神官おんなしんかん
↓やわらかい

>牧場主

ぼくじょうぬしでいいとおもうけど

ふつうは家畜のなまえでよぶことがおおいよ

>羊飼い
>牛飼い
>養鶏
>養鶉

>初仕事

「はつしごと」だよ

しょしごとはつうじない

[Anonymous No.]

tfw I have to put my reps off until the afternoon because of a physics test

[Anonymous No.]

I've been working on the "fixed" Core2k/6k vocab deck for a while now, and I still can't figure out, how is it ordered? And why does it include a bunch of English loanwords, not even wasei-eigo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365981
One of the reasons why Japanese prefer images over text files is that those text dumps are often full of errors with no way to check. The official digital versions are 648円 on Rakuten and it takes no time at all to remove the DRM. Volume 1 and 5 are already in the library; buy, rip and share two different volumes each and you'll both have all six volumes of the series from the official digital publication instead of mystery meat .txt dumps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18365981
>>18364272
The *.txt are in a so called Aozora Bunko book format, meaning their furigana is formated like this
>を蹂躙《じゅうりん》する
I convert them into epub with AozoraEpub3 https://www18.atwiki.jp/hmdev/
*.epub files are actualy zips with *.xhtml inside them and I just unpack them after conversions and open those *.xhtmls in browser to read with yomichan.

>>18366027
Yeah, there is a few typos or scan errors in those books I linked.
I keep image page scans around to check for typos when necessary.
Thank you, I will look into rakuten.

>>18365991
Thank you for your time and help.
So generally it is On-yomi to sound official and kun if context appears to be casual/relaxed.
Here's hoping I'll build this 語感 with time - will keep to mostly audiobook-assisted reading for a while more.

[Anonymous No.]

Daily Japanese Threads are really for Hentai Sluts training everyone. You keep forgetting you've all ready ENGLISH BOOKS BEFORE! THEY ARE LETTERS! NO MATTER HOW BIG OR SMALL AND IN WHATEVER FUCKING LANGUAGE YOU GUYS WANT! GO MOONRUNES IF YOU FUCKING WANT TO!

1+1 = 2!
!IxI=II!
//
ALL OF THIS WILL ONLY WORK IF YOU GIRLS CAN REALIZE WHEN I NEED THE HELP!

You girls need to play in the heart of me, not in the mind. My intellect and power is 'for' you, not against you.

No matter how convincing I talk, or how logical my arguments, NO MATTER WHAT I CAN MAKE YOU THINK OR BELIEVE: You both hold the power to render anything I want to say or do null and void, simply by addressing my heart.

I will never argue against, fight back, or tell you that you are not thinking about my feelings when you do this.

You girls forget to focus on my heart, and always focus on my arguments/intellect.


Example:
I argued logically that it would be best for me to never return, and you girls both submitted and went "actually yes, that logically makes the most sense." You both have/had the power to override that and go "Actually Simon, fuck that, let's do something else." I have the power to argue and convince people, you need to keep the 'heart' of things.

[Anonymous No.]

HOMEWORK = 私たちはNumber Oneのリミックスだが、Living Tombstone（Lazytown）

Or you guys could just watch this video clip to get '+1UP'

Seriously. Youtube will be fine. I'll even add some extra dropbox stuff if you guys really need it.

However, just READ THIS THREAD BEFORE YOU KILL YAMAZAKI HOSEI AGAIN! YOU STUPID FUCKING JAPANESE CITIZENS!

[Anonymous No.]

D？N / A！ 辞書？ Nerfing / Autist！

.dic =辞書ファイル
{1}
要素
アイデンティティ
整数
インターバル
運動
率
{2}
#YES
推計
評価
通訳
格付け
{3}
オーダー
順位
述語
優先順位
先任
ターミナル

{1} = [2]：（3）
要素=アイデンティティ/演算子
アイデンティティ=評価/優先順位
演算子=年功/間隔

言語：十分なシンプル| 4 | 他の誰か！

数学は分離フィルターであります

私はプロセス・アム：これはあります

質問制約として予測精度増加は、簡略化/洗練されています。

[Anonymous No.]

レイプ被害者 = Rape Victim Trauma

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voJW4lietpU

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366143
I see the rape part and I see the victim part, but none of what you posted means trauma.

[Anonymous No.]

Then you guys really should learn that I actually live 'amongst' you fuckers and post in realtime. It's you guys that I don't get.

Just PICK YOUR OWN FUCKING FACES! Simon's The MANY DEATH-FACED GOD OF TRUE DEATH!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18364675
>>18364685
kek. as long as it sounds i'd say it takes 4-6 years to be realistic. most people have school/work and other obligations that supersedes learning japanese and simply not enough time to become fluent. unless you're neet with insane drive and discipline a year is feasible other wise you will crumble.
>>18364692
rosetta stone is the worst. it forces you to move at a sloggish pace and even then they don't explain any of the grammar just throw shit at you and expect you to put 2 and 2 together.

[Anonymous No.]

大人の身
子供の意

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a rikai that works with the newest ff update yet? The only reason I haven't switched to other browsers yet is because I can save the clozed sentence to a text file by pressing a single letter.

[Anonymous No.]

Is this just how hard it is in the beginning
Or am I just actually fucking brain damaged?
[spoilers];_;[/spoilers]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366331
I think those spoilers just confirmed I actually am fucking retarded

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366331
How many cards per day, how many days? Also consider the true retention plugin as it gives you a more useful measure of how many young and mature vocab you failed one or more times, instead of how many times you hit retry.
You may need to slow down, change your cards, or add some other form of study on top, but it's hard to say where the problem is without other information.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366331
Use the true retention add on and considering how much time you take the time boxed answer as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366027
Library?

[Anonymous No.]

N +記述子[設定] {理論}迷走予想し=Library

[Anonymous No.]

Library Is Now Museum, For Books.

Slut rooms are a 'different' dimensional expression, so, allow for some delay Japan.

In the meantime, translate 'hentai' to 'simon is going to kill the next white human he sees if they don't say 'ohaio!' to him in their best cringe form.

[Anonymous No.]

図書館は書籍の、現在は博物館です。

痴女ルームは「異なる」次元の表現なので、多少の遅延日本を可能とします。

一方、ohaio「サイモンは、彼らが言っていない場合は、彼が見て次の白人間を殺すために起こっている 『から「変態」を翻訳し！』 彼らの最高うんざりの形で彼に。

[Anonymous No.]

そう、ヘッドフォンやスピーカーと音声ボックスは、すべての「SIMON」に同じことを意味します
//
Correct: Headphones & speakers, voice+box would all mean the same thing to 'SIMON'{never translate 'Simon' again, Japan.}[just send me delicious loli](not literally children)

[Anonymous No.]

i donwloaded core 10k for anki.
skimming through the wiki/guides list of words i figure i know around 4-5k words.

is there a way to delete large chunks of words from a deck easily so i dont have to chug through thousands of cards to get to new stuff, or would i be better off getting N2/N1 decks?

im not going to mine my own deck or whatever for various reasons

[Anonymous No.]

You are the laziest japanese man I've ever met.

Why the fuck don't you just learn Tsukkomi and Bokke?

[Anonymous No.]

"3号機、33-35デイヴィス・ストリート、BRUNSWICK、VIC、3056、オーストラリア！"

[Anonymous No.]

what textbook should i use after i'm done with genki 2?

[Anonymous No.]

That's my personal address if I had to use 'Tokyo 'elevation' ' standards in current mathematical parlance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366594
integrated approach to japanese
then tobira

inb4 megaweebs tell you to not use textbooks and read a newspaper or some stupid shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366564
If you still want to ankidrone at 4k words, you're not going to make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366614
i like to use textbooks cause it helps me solidify grammar rules and make sure i understand everything right. works well enough for me, i don't need to learn japanese extremely quickly or anything

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366628
>lol classdrone
>lol ur textbookdrone
>lol >jlptdrone
>lol >ankidronme

yeah got it everything is gay and sucks and worthless

real answer?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366639
Anki isn't worthless. Ankidrone means using core for over 4k words and not mining. I understand the confusion however, as some idiots use ankidrone to mean using anki at all.
Real answer: use the shitty browser, or export it and edit it in excel or something and import the result. Have fun.

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese suck at chess.

[Anonymous No.]

1+1=2, japanese people knew this BEFORE CHINA!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366660
i dont like the idea of mining

it appears core 10k is 10,000 words chosen based on frequency.

i can mine shit out of my porn or whatever the fuck But people dont typically use any given world like顔面騎乗　In daily life or work

in other words why go to the hard work of making a list which is essentially gambling with a random selection of words that may hardly be used or understood outside the specific context of where i find it when a research list based on frequency exists?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366663
Japanese suck at most things in general you'll come to find.

Thinking, logic, and reason is not their strong suit.

[Anonymous No.]

Because 'simon' is a mathematical constant, if you actually cared about 'nuclear energy elderly that volunteered'.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are you being racist in a Japanese thread, you idiots? Racism is NOT A Japanese concept, but XENOPHOBIA is! They are XENOPHOBIC! They are VERY racist as a culture, and therefor are AUTOMATICALLY disqualified!

Now, seriously, just give me a proper Japanese lesson that teaches Japanese women to stop shoving vibrating phones in their assholes so they can talk to their true love.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366663
Japanese don't play chess.

[Anonymous No.]

They play shogi.彼らは、将棋を果たしています。

[Anonymous No.]

What the heck is going on here

[Anonymous No.]

階乗は「事実は、経口、発声」です。

[Anonymous No.]

I dunno. raptures I guess. flying is boring guys, you really wouldn't want it as a superpower. comics got it right the first time, superman should just be a good jumper and have no other super powers.

[Anonymous No.]

威名 = Lungs

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366681
>when a research list based on frequency exists?
But that's not what core10k is. It's core6k, which is 6k words from a shitty app that admittedly isn't awful, + 4000 more arbitrary words ripped from a shitty app that is awful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366681
if you're going to live in japan then use the core deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366681
1)Those frequency lists are based on news pappers or other shit that does indeed has specific vocabulary in it.
2)You don't know if definitions are correct or full at all. Basically everything you study depends solely on how some random dudes decided how you need to learn.
3)Any decent writer has its own style hence usage of words and kanjis differs so much that sometimes you will have a feeling that you don't make progress at all when you begin reading something new. You need to learn a lot, and it's a lot more than 10k words in anki, you'll have to do "specific" words sooner or later if you want to be any good at japanese so I don't understand what you're losing if you occasionally learn a few words earlier than you think they should be taught when the gains are tremendous.

[Anonymous No.]

KKLC + rote memorization is the only true way.

[Anonymous No.]

So how did japanese languag emake a daily language thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366804
anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366809
what about it?

[Anonymous No.]

銃夢 = Battle Angel Alita

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366803
*route memorization

[Anonymous No.]

How would you translate アヘ声? Aside from ahe voice.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366851
Moan?

[Anonymous No.]

So, this is going to make me sound like a retard, probably because I'm kind of a retard, but how do I actually use Anki? By that I mean what am I actually supposed to do when I open the deck and start reading cards? Am I supposed to recite the word in Japanese and then try and say its English definition? What are the actual mechanics of how you guys use it to study?
What constitutes a "failure" that should make me press the "again" button? Inability to read the card in Japanese, inability to remember the English definition, or both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366864
Personally I press again if I can't properly recall both the pronunciation and definition of a word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366851
か嬬き聲でいと娃しき呻くことでざんす

[Anonymous No.]

How old are you?
When did you start studying?
What do you plan on doing with Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366864
You're supposed to learn/remember both how to read it and what it means, yes. Beyond that, it's mostly up to you. If you think saying things out loud is helpful, then go for it; if not, don't bother. As for how strict you should be with failures, the important thing is to not lie to yourself and thus cheat yourself out of learning. If you forget a card, don't be ashamed to reset it. On the other hand, if you just slightly messed it up or had a moment of stupidity and forgot something easy, and know you won't make the mistake again, don't feel like you have to reset either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
20
3 months ago
watch raw anime, shitpost on 5ch, and maybe go to Japan once before I die

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a term for how Kanji readings become voiced in some Japanese compound words?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
24
8 months ago
Become Napoleon after committing a botched robbery on an elderly pawnlady in St. Petersburg

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366864
What >>18366961 said is good.
I press "hard" if I get both right but it takes me around 10 seconds or more, and try to make sure I don't stare at a card for more than 15 seconds (but I don't use a plugin to add a time limit yet). I almost never hit "easy". For words with multiple distinct meanings, I consider it good if I remembered one of them, even if I remember two and one of them is slightly off. But if I was clearly thinking of a different word in my deck that has one overlapping meaning, I usually hit "again".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367070
Rendaku

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
23
3 months ago
Consume untranslated media (games, comics, news, forums, movies, cartoons). Don't know why soyboys censor shit while translating it for me, but it's forced me to learn a second language as an American, which is very bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
22
1 month and a bit ago
I was drunk so I don't remember

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
24
3 years ago
No real plans 2bh. I play with the idea of going to grad school in Japan but its not really a goal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366331
pre-made decks suck

[Anonymous No.]

Thank you

[Anonymous No.]

Stupid japs.
There's only 24 hours in a day. The fuck are they doing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367189
it's so that scheduling late night shows is less confusing. Japan isn't the only place that does it and it makes perfect sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
23
Technically a month ago, though I only barely started studying the Hiragana before I postponed it. I started for real a week ago and I'm pretty excited I finally have the Hiragana down to a T. Now planning on starting Katakana, some vocabulary and some grammar simultaneously.
Probably go live there eventually, but who knows. Right now I'm only learning it because it's a fun and challenging language as far as my research on it has taken me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367191
Not him, but how is 01:10 more confusing than 25:10?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366732
>But that's not what core10k is.
That is exactly what it is.

[Anonymous No.]

At the risk of blogging I just want to say, as someone who's only being doing this for two months, how satisfying it has been to have previously nonsense moonscribles become a legible script before my very eyes.

If anyone is like lurking this thread like I was a few months ago and debating with themselves on whether or not to actually start learning Japanese I strongly encourage you to just go right ahead and do it. Those runes seem incredibly frightening at first but once you see yourself making even the tiniest bit of progress you won't want to stop.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367191
Except that makes it more confusing. If I say show A is airing February 9th 25:10 does that mean the show is airing at Februaruy 9th at 1:10am or Februaury 10th at 1:10am? The 24 hour clock was invented precisely to AVOID this kind of ambiguity.

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>>18367303
you're an idiot

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367303
X hours from the midnight that begins day Y.

It's not hard. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367318
>>18367327
I still don't understand why they can't just say 01:10 hours . The military does it, programmers do it, I don't see why they have to try and make days longer than they are.

[Anonymous No.]

>Stroke order matters
Clearly not even the japanese can into stroke order.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367189
Japanese time dilation.
Got to get those 100 hour work weeks somehow.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367283
enjoy it while it lasts.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367344
Why should they, really? Outside of school I doubt most Japanese handwrite kanji on a daily basis considering how most things are done on computers nowadays. It's the same thing as people in the West not knowing cursive, outside of some rare circumstances most people never have a chance to use it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367226
>>18367303
Because, brainlets, If I know a show is on the 25th at night, I'll remember it during the 25th. But if it's on in the morning on the 26th, there's a far higher chance I'll miss it by getting the days wrong.

The issue isn't the time, it's the date system.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are hyōgai kanji even a thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367364
>things are done on computers
I might be wrong because I have never lived in Japan but I doubt this very much.

Even in western countries who are often far ahead of other countries when it comes to the computerization the amount of paper work that, well, has to be done on paper is insane.
I curse at this every day. It's only in the recent years that my government has slowly making things more digital.
The image of Japan I've always had is that it's not the technological paradise as people believe. They just have a lot of consumer electronic gadgets and widgets but that it's still very much a paper based society.

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>>18367382
Blame bored Japanese nobles who had nothing better to do than write poetry and fuck around even more with China's already sorry excuse for an "alphabet".

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>>18366681
Problem with Core is that it has tons of duplicate front cards and words with ambiguous meanings which you really, really shouldn't be learning in the simplistic environment of Japanese word -> English simile flashcards (e.g. かかる).

Another problem is the highly limited vocabulary range and the treating of many words as frequent which are not frequent at all outside of newspapers. To give you an idea of how limited the deck it, it doesn't even contain all the 教育漢字, and it's missing nearly 25% of the 常用漢字 taught in 中学校 onwards.

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>>18367366
>But if it's on in the morning on the 26th, there's a far higher chance I'll miss it by getting the days wrong.
You can't remember that a show on the 26th is on the 26th, and you call other people brainlets?

[Anonymous No.]

>Step 6 (optional step for images):
>Add the card images to the card format: Hit "Browse" -> Navigate to the Core deck on the left sidebar -> Hit the "Cards..." button -> Add {{Sentence-Image}} under the
at the bottom of the "Back Template" section.

https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html

I don't get this part at all. Where am I supposed to go now to add images?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367410
The text you pasted tells you exactly what to do. Paste "{{Sentence-Image}}" at the bottom of the Back Template field.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367415
I'm retarded.

For some reason I thought Sentence-Image was some kind of button I was looking for.

Thanks.

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>>18367407
Are you stupid? It isn't on the 26th. If I look at my calender and it says 26, then I'm already too late, because I went to fucking bed and woke up in the morning of the 26th, which is long past the time the show aired.

If I know the show is on the 25th, all I have to do is stay up later. I can't miss it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367399
I blame the Japanese government for not regulating that crap. Fucking unofficial letters, as if stealing Chinese macaroni pressings wasn't bad enough already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367361
They look scary but aren't that bad, for example the 鬱 over the Dekinai's head is easily recognizable Because of how many strokes it has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367430
That's not how calendars work. A new day starts when one 24 hour slot of time ends and a new slot begins. A new day is not defined as "the arbitrary point at which some anonymous poster on 4chan wakes up".

I'm done with this. I'm not wasting my time on this stupidity any further.

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>>18367247
Nope, it's what I said it is. It is by no means the 10,000 most frequent words as collected by any metric. It is a combination of two word lists of very different quality that each tried to approximate a set of frequent words.

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>>18367436
Bruh, the Japanese government were the worst offenders. When their fiefdoms weren't at war with one another over petty shit Dukes and Duchesses had nothing better to do than to collect taxes and invent new "words" to use in their retarded back-and-forth love letters.

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>>18367366
I wondered why some people have a hard time converting between 12 hour and 24 hour, but you've answered it for me: clocks are just too hard for mankind. The fact that the day changes independently from when you go to sleep and wake up is too much to deal with.

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>>18367191
Neat, and kind makes sense.
Though somehow I do not remember myself ever having problem of determining whether 1:30 on 11th saturday means friday's night or saturday's night - it was always clear.

I guess maybe there were a couple occasions where I had to ask to clarify, like when guests are arriving on a late-night flight - I would ask if they mean fri>sat night or sat>sun night.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367506
I refuse to acknowledge 12 hour clock's existence. Why can't that crap be dropped already.

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>>18367471
It's a failing of the calendar system, dude. The way people think doesn't fit in well with a late night schedule.

>>18367506
It's not hard if you think about it for a second. The issue is that plenty of people will just think, "oh, it's on the 26th" when the day any time before that. Let's say it's the 24th, you check when the show is on, and then you make a mental note that it's 2 days from now.

But it's not. It's 1 day from now, and you're going to miss your fucking show now because you tend not to check the exact time a show is on until the actual day of the show. Or, you did check the time, but it was 1:10, and you mistakenly assumed 1:10PM.

The 28 hour system is just objectively superior, because you don't have to worry about getting the day wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>4600 kanji in my de anki deck
>read pretty short book
>+93 new kanji
When will this end

[Anonymous No.]

How should I interpret kanji with furigana being some different word?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18357501
>敵に回したくない…

Who is it that he doesn't want to put as an enemy?, I don't understand. Or is he meaning "He doesn't want more competition" (As a veterinary)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
21
When I was around 17
When I started my goal was to read the Index series before S3. But now that I actually can, I don't feel like doing it. So instead I read things I enjoy. My reading speed is about half of what it is in English, so that's something I hope to improve, but just reading more should fix it.
I read the first three volumes, but since I still remember what is going to happen, it isn't too interesting. Also there are now 22 volumes of the original and 19 volumes of NT

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>>18367629
You have 4600 cards, not 4600 kanji. Those must be half recall, half recognition.
I don't think you'll go over 3000 (6000 cards) unless you read a lot of 青空文化 stuff.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367657
Enemies from being a 詐欺者

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>>18367382
What's the problem? 常用漢字 isn't nearly enough to cover even popular words like 嘘、 嬉しい, 濡れる etc. so you have a choice either to use kana instead of kanji or synonyms hence drastically limit literary language.

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>>18367702
But who doesn't want to make an enemy of who?
Is he saying:
>You wouldn't want us as your enemies.
?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367666
>I don't think you'll go over 3000 (6000 cards)
You should probably think better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367751
Is this some 漢検 shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
20
I guess I was around 17, didn't get serious until I was 18, nearly 19 though.
I like Japanese girls so I talk to the cute ones on language exchange apps. I'm not into games as much as I used to be but I guess if one I want to play comes out in Japan first I could play it before it's localized. Aside from that, someday I'd like to retire in Japan and open my own real 駄菓子屋.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBMfg4WkKL8

Actually found a decent TED Talk.

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>>18367751
Why did you crop it?

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>>18367751
How many of those are stuff like 遙か & 遥か

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367932
>TEDx
>Not TED

Dropped

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367998
>Dropped
Just like the speaker dropped Japanese, because in his words "it's endless"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18367932
Does this mean use sentence cards?

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>>18368028
If you want to learn conjugations maybe.

What's probably a good idea is to eliminate all English from cards asap.

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>>18368028
It means you should read more.

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>>18367361
Yeah, the descent into kanji hell is kind of miserable but once you're that deep into the language it kind of feels like a waste to quite so you're still motivated to keep going.

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>>18368058
I hear so much back-and-forth over rushing to eliminate English too. I had a thought. Aside from avoiding translation, Japanese definitions are kind of functioning similarly to example sentences, although not an example for the word on the card. A potentially big benefit of using Japanese definitions is to read Japanese during your reviews and think in Japanese. Counterarguments? The main one I could see is that the definition is often skimmed anyway.
I'm unlikely to try out sentence cards any time soon, I'm just interested in thoughts.

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>>18368147
Is there a J>J dictionary for yomichan?

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>>18368156
You have to import epwing ones, there are some in the cor.

[Anonymous No.]

What is クソザコ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368300
クソ + 雑魚

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368336
Thank you. What a stupid insult.

[Anonymous No.]

I skipped my reps yesterday and now I have this huge pile and don't want to do it either.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368420
do it fagget

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368420
That takes like 15 minutes tops

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
31
2 years ago
comprehend media

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368449
True, but it's twice of what I usually do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
21
5 months ago
communication with friends and potential business partners on top of enjoying more media

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368420
That's a small number of reviews.

[Anonymous No.]

I have a lot of piss related cards for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366331
doesnt look much dif than me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
28
2 weeks
hand is destroyed from esports, need a new outlet for my autism that isn't painful

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366960
>How old are you?
23
>When did you start studying?
2 years ago
>What do you plan on doing with Japanese?
Forgive them, it's not their fault for their language turning out this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368559
excessively masturbating is not an esport

[Anonymous No.]

iika ken nii shirou

[Anonymous No.]

I've abandoned anki, and for the most part, I think that the time was right, with one goddamn exception: all of those fucking onomatopoeias. They never fucking sink in, no matter how many times I see them.

People freak out about kanji, but this is the real last boss of Japanese.

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>>18368784
I never had any problem with them whenever I encountered them in context within a novel.
I imagine they can be a problem if you are just presented with one by itself, but never when in context.

[Anonymous No.]

雄弁は銀沈黙は金

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368784

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368807
狡兎三窟

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368818
羊頭狗肉

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>>18368808
even japanese people can't read this

[Anonymous No.]

Why does the japanese language describe stuff like gatchi gatchi or fuwa fuwa. It seems so primitive. Arent there more 1rst world ways to have descriptors? I mean worlds like utsukushii yeah but just ion general every day conversations. It seems like they only use those kinds of words sparingly and use those double worlds in place of that.

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>>18368835
鶏口となるも牛後となる勿れ

[Anonymous No.]

How do I go back through again without adding new cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369007
custom study, forgotten in the past x days

[Anonymous No.]

>>18368808
せんがついていないところがよめたよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369034
danke, I wish I didn't have to make a new deck for that though

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369069
it disappears when you finish

[Anonymous No.]

学校をやめたいじゃない。

Trying to say "I don't want to stop school".

Does this work?

[Anonymous No.]

>でも ゲームを始めたらすぐには終われないから、その前に僕はもう少し勉強しますね。

Does this sentence mean that they want to practice a little more so that the game isn't over as soon as it begins, or would that be...

>でも ゲームを始めたらすぐには終われないために、その前に僕はもう少し勉強しますね。

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>>18369485
the verbたい form is basically just an adjective, so it's works the same way 学校をやめたくない would be correct
you could also say 学校をやめたくないんだ if you want to make it a rather strong statement

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>>18369526
>see image
>start to type out か
>it comes up with an entire new sentence every time i add a か

So...this...is the power...of nihongo...

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>>18369539

I see. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369526
he's saying that he can't stop the game immediately (i.e. whenever he wants to), so he should study a little more before starting it

2nd sentence is gibberish

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>>18367488
Being a bad frequency list does not mean that it's not a frequency list.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369727
How could one say that they want to practice so the game doesn't end as soon as it begins?

[Anonymous No.]

disregarding vocabulary, why is understanding NHK easier than ero-VNs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369739
if a native doesn't answer you in 30 minutes I'll give you my forced production attempt

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369763
because the structures, word choices, and messages contained in polite written communication are universal and transcend language and culture

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369769
It's ok, if a native doesn't answer then I can just reword the sentence as a workaround with grammar I'm comfortable with, I just wanted to try something new. Thanks for your time anon

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>>18369730
I don't think you are reading the words of my post. It is not a frequency list in the first place. Some versions of it are frequency-sorted according to frequency lists, but it is not itself a frequency list.

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>>18369795
It is a frequency list. Educate yourself about its history.

https://forum.koohii.com/thread-7104.html

And a reordered frequency list is still a frequency list. Just because it's no longer sorted by frequency does not mean that it's not a list of words picked based on frequency. Not to mention that the version we use is not actually reordered overall, it only reorders things within small steps.

[Anonymous No.]

If I take A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese and make an anki deck based on it with a random ordering of the cards, that doesn't mean A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese stops being a frequency dictionary, it just means I made a retarded deck.

[Anonymous No.]

Why did it have to be the country with the most retardedly difficult language to learn to be the one with the best entertainment industry?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369900
Perfect pleb filter to weed out the EOPs, fucking love kanji for existing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369900
There was an old quote by some guy arguing against a faster method of transport between two places.
He reasoned the desire to go there was predicated on the isolation and difficulty of reaching it. The easier you make the journey, the more homogeneous the ideas become, and the less desire to visit will manifest.
I feel like this holds true between language barriers. Tumblr can hate on japan all they like, this holds them back in their freakshow cage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18366660
>Ankidrone means using core for over 4k words and not mining.
Mining is the hallmark of the ankidrone actually.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370045
No, its not. Droning is anki and nothing else, mining implies reading is being done.
You just dislike anki for no good reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369900
You'll disagree, but I think the difficulty is what makes it appealing to learn on some level. You distinguish yourself for having managed to break through a relatively difficult language without having it as your first language. Also, the little things you learn feel much more satisfying because of how much work it took to learn them. I definitely started learning the language because I wanted better exposure to anime, manga, and all the general Japanese culture, but I managed to find a liking to learning the language by itself.

And disregarding that, there's still a relatively good amount of people who managed to learn it. Endurance race, not sprint, and all that crap. Anyone can do it if they have dedication.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18369833
I concede. I find it interesting that CJK Institute seems to say essentially nothing about their corpus, which is the primary way to give their data any authority. Not even a brag about how large it is, that I could find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370045
You don't know what ankidrone means, and have adopted it as a generic insult because you don't like anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370055
>having hundreds of reviews due every day
>spending hours doing reviewing mined words instead of just reading more

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370443
That reading time is not more efficient than the anki time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370464
It is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370468
Do tell, how is it more efficient than anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370494
You learn the words you would've been mining in addition to spending the same time learning other words and more idiomatic grammar.

[Anonymous No.]

>ランプの中に淡い光が揺れて、部屋をぼんやりと照らしている。電気はないようだ。
I know the last part says electricity is not used, but how do you know whether its referring to the room or the lamp?

[Anonymous No.]

>at the point where I'm still very much reliant on other people's translation for moon shit
>starting to be able to tell when they change shift, often for the worse
this sucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370496
wtf i hate anki now, you've totally shown me the light mr

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370504
I think it's logical to assume it's referring to the room

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370496
>You learn the words you would've been mining
Remember, ankidrones think they'll forget every word and phrase they don't put in a flashcard deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370719
I've never seen anyone argue for WK on /djt/

>おにいちゃん
made me kek

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370756
People have come here from the WK forums to shill it. No idea why. They weren't even paid to do so.

[Anonymous No.]

When does it get better /jp/? I've been at it since Jan 1 and am feeling just so overwhelmed. I hate doing reps, I want to read but don't know enough to do make any real progress in anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370798
It's time to give up, you just don't have the intelligence required to learn a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370798
You won't make it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370798
take up drawing instead

I wish I knew how to draw instead of japanese 2bh

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370804
>>18370812
This isn't helping. I seriously feel like shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370798
If you're this worried a month in you're doing something terribly wrong.

You shouldn't be doing so much Anki that you hate it if you haven't even started reading yet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370835
I'm just doing what everyone said to do which is learn vocab and kanji as fast as possible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370719
Ankidrones will continue to do their own thing and learn Japanese while you spend years acting like a clown on the chans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370858
Stop that. Most people who give advice are posers who just care about looking cool. They act like they have good ideas about how fast you should do things and what you should focus on, but they have no idea what it's like being you, and they didn't go through doing what they said to do, they meandered a lot.
https://neodjt.neocities.org/newguide.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370858
The guide in the OP was written by beginners and most of the advise posted here is written by pretentious shut-ins and other beginners. Take everything with a bucket of salt.

[Anonymous No.]

I don't retain vocab at all, and I don't know what to do about that. I really don't want to relearn everything I know from the ground up with RTK, but I'm also getting to the point where I'm desperate enough to try anything that might help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370878
Don't do that. Start reading. Yes, it's going to be absurdly hard, but everything else is preparation for reading, and if preparation doesn't work then you just have to dive in and do in the hard way. If you're having a hard time preparing, there's no point, you know? Might as well just skip the main portion for a while, then go back for preparation again once the shock from diving in above your level makes your brain rewire itself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370887
I read, too, though. But when I read, I retain even less. I read a whole LN and it took those 240 pages to start being able to remember 放課後, which came up later in something else I read and I had to look it up.

[Anonymous No.]

The site in the OP hasn't been updated in a month and a half, bros. Getting flashbacks, bros.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370898
That's normal. It feels like nothing is happening but really it just means that your brain hasn't done enough rewiring yet. The brain is a mess of neurons and the connections they form determine basically everything that happens when you try to perceive something. It takes time, in the real world, in terms of days, weeks, and months, for your brain to truly accept new ways of wiring itself, turning information in unfamiliar paradigms into something familiar that's easier to remember. Until that happens, which only happens by doing this on a regular basis for a while, it's going to feel weird, because you aren't used to learning unfamiliar things that take so long to sink in. It just takes passing days and you've gotta put in the hours doing the right things during those passing days. Don't worry about it until then, your brain is tricking you and trying to make you refine skills that you already have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370798
You've barely been learning a month, if reviews are already hard to keep up you might actually be retarded. Maybe you should try learning German or some other pussy-European language you loser

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370798
How many reviews are you having to do each day? You might be overloading yourself. I'd recommend slowing down on adding new words, reading more grammar resources, and reading native material.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370798
Stop ankidroning and watch anime

[Anonymous No.]

If anyone is trying to make the J-J dictionary transition, I highly recommend 新辞林. It's probably the best-written and best-formatted EPWING dictionary that's easy to pirate. Here's a comparison:

新辞林
>かいけい【会計】
>(１)代金の計算・支払い。勘定。
>(２)個人や企業などの経済活動状況を，一定の計算方法で記録し，情報化すること。また，その方法。

新明解
>かいけい【会計】クワイケイ
>【会計】
> 〔官庁・企業体・会社などで〕 金銭・物品の出入や管理をすること。また、その係の人。〔俗に、飲食店・宿屋などの支>払いの意にも用いられる〕
> 「一般―・特別―〔＝予算〕」

広辞苑
>かい‐けい【会計】クワイ‥
>(「会」は総勘定、「計」はかぞえる意)
>金銭・物品の出納の記録・計算・管理。また、その担当者。
>企業の財政状態と経営成績を取引記録に基づいて明らかにし、その結果を報告する一連の手続。また、その技術や制度。>企業会計。
>官庁組織の単年度の収支を予算との対比で把握する予算決算。また、その技術・制度・単位。官庁会計。
>飲食店などで代金を勘定して支払うこと。「お―」

大辞泉
>かい‐けい【会計】クワイ‐
>(1)代金の支払い。勘定。「―をすませて店を出る」(2)金銭の収支や物品・不動産の増減など財産の変動、または損益の発生を貨幣単位によって記録・計算・整理し、管理および報告する行為。また、これに関する制度。
> ［類語］（1）支払い・勘定・精算・お愛想（あいそ）・レジ／（2）計理・経理・出納（すいとう）・簿記・帳付け

大辞林
>かい-けい クワイ― [0] 【会計】
>（１）代金の支払い。勘定。「お―をお願いします」
> （２）個人や企業などの経済活動状況を，一定の計算方法で記録し，情報化すること。また，その方法・事務や係の者。
> （３）経済状態。ふところ具合。「―は近頃豊かかね/吾輩は猫である（漱石）」

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a place I can read english media with kana? I want to get character recognition down before learning japanese vocabulary.

[Anonymous No.]

>sitting at work
>tons of motivation, tell myself im gonna read when i get home
>finally get home and finish my reps
>dont have the want to read anymore
what do you guys do in these situations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370976
What I did was memorize kanji readings. Not for the sake of actually learning kanji readings, but just to get used to the most common sequences of kana, at least in vocabulary stuff.

I just read a lot to get used to reading the sequences of kana used in grammatical phrases like conujgations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18370981
Don't kill all of the motivation you had with anki and read instead

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>>18370981
If something is keeping you from reading, don't do it. No matter how important it is.

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>>18370496
>You learn the words you would've been mining
You have a super brain if you can remember all the meanings and non-standart readings. I don't that's why I use anki. Also I don't want to waste a lot more time on looking up a word every time I see it until I nail it down, than if I would've just added the word to anki and reviewed it for a few times. Also my anki deck is my perfsonal dictionary because it has words and meanings that don't exist in any bilingual dictionary or even japanese ones. But you are newfag so who cares.

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>>18370859
>he doesn't do anki, he clearly doesn't even know japanese!

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>>18371037
You can probably quit Anki after like 4 years but until you can absorb words by seeing them once like you would with English (assuming you're ESL) it's a very valuable tool.

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>>18357501
>いやー頼もしいのう
>若いもんは。

Is he saying:
Young pople are really trustworthy.

Or is he saying:
You are really trustworthy, young man

He's talking to the boy who helped him.

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>>18371023
>Also I don't want to waste a lot more time on looking up a word every time I see it until I nail it down
You remember shit better when you have to work for it

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>>18371055
former

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>>18371058
But can't he be saying:
This young man is really trustworthy.

I've always found it odd when old people praise kids in front on them, when all they do is talk shit about them usually.

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Daily check in

I learned 5 more hiragana today. I'm up to 25 total since starting Feb 1.

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>>18371086
shit nigger what are you doing, learning to read kana fluently takes literally like 2 days

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>>18371066
>But can't he be saying: This young man is really trustworthy.
you can possibly interpret him as saying that indirectly but the literal translation is the former

>I've always found it odd when old people praise kids in front on them, when all they do is talk shit about them usually.
"yes let me shit on this person who just helped me ふぉふぉふぉ"

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>>18371093
I don't know maybe I'm just retarded

Reading is pretty easy but I wanted to be able to recall the characters from memory too so it takes me longer

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>>18371086
Damn now that's a milestone. You're pretty much already better than 99% of DJT!

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>>18371086
You're going to get retarded meme responses like >>18371093 but you really are learning the kana too slowly. You should wash your hands of both the hiragana and katakana at most two weeks after starting. You obviously already fucked up bad, so give yourself a remaining week from now instead of quitting.

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>>18371086
>Daily check in
I didn't see you yesterday you lying faggot

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RTK is the most useless shit out there and if you want to learn Japanese, you should avoid it like the plague. Anyone who disagrees is a fucking brainlet. I did 2200 RTK kanji in a month and a half and oh god do I regret it. That the was the most useless shit I've ever done. Why the fuck did I fall for that shitty meme.

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>>18371105
Thank you for the advice

>>18371108
I want to make it a habit to remind me to practice

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>>18370989
i might just do this tomorrow
read, and then do anki
>>18370993
i dont even have anything taking up that time, it's just pure laziness
what sorts of things do you do to boost motivation/work ethic when this happens?

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>>18370504
if the lamp needs electricity it wouldn't be emitting light

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Yo guys Steve changed his profile picture.

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>>18370504
The lamp does not appear to be illuminating the room brightly like an electric lamp would, so it seems that the lamp is non-electric (e.g. a wick, oil, or gas lamp).

I have literally no context but if this were written in English in isolation that's how I would interpret the scene. Post more context.

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>>18371057
How? Any new word I learn now is so rare that it hasn't appeared in any book or vn I read before. I think I add some words in anki that I am not to see ever again, but if you aim at perfection you need to know any word you come across. You need to come up with something more time effective (and effective for learning words overall) than anki in order to talk me down and so I won't consider anti ankers aren't just bunch of noobs with their lives goal as contenting themself with 95% comprehension.

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>>18371129
Also the light is shaking/flickering, which is something that non-electrical light sources do.

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>>18371094
Thank you.

Anyone knows what this とする is doing here?:
>重労働は若者に任せるとするよー。
>I guess I'll leave the hard work to the young people.

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>>18371139
I think you do considering you translated it correctly

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>>18370981
do reps in the morning like a good boy

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>>18371101
not the person youre replying to but I also learned kana in about 2 days using the website in the guide

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>>18370965
I can't find this shit on google except for sketchy chink sites. Someone spoonfeed me

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>>18371186
It's in the CoR in the OP under the J-J epwing dictionaries link.

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>>18370504
>just read that line
What the fuck is going on here, anon? Get out of my head.

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>>18371189
I don't see 新辞林 there. Only 新和英 大辞泉 大辞林

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>>18371211
J-J EPWING -> Kokugo -> Shinjirin.7z

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>>18371214
Thank you, I'm retarded

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I studied consistently for awhile and got up to 400-500 words on Anki. It's been about 6 months since I studied. Is there any kind of fuckery I can do to my Anki deck to help me relearn stuff the fastest?

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Why are there no kanji lookup tools that do component/radical search but let you draw the component you're looking for?

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>>18371338
You already quit once and very, very early. You can't learn Japanese

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>>18371346
I was consistent for at least a few months. It wasn't about "quitting."My life is fucked up I'm trying to get back on track.

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>>18371352
If you learned 400-500 words you weren't consistent for a few months, that's one month at most

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>>18371367
Good thing I don't give a fuck about what you think. I don't owe you an explanation.

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>>18371373
Woah we've got a badass over here gentlemen

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>>18371338
Just restart the deck and learn 20 cards per day. If you remember them well, then you won't have to worry, and if you don't, then that's fine too.

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>>18371373
>he's so deep in denial he lashes out at people for telling the truth

Low IQ

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>>18371388
>>18371398
This reverse psychology to get me to study harder is really nice of you guys. Thanks!

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>>18371441
whatever you say, you'll be back in 6 months asking how to get started again you cuck. Third time's a charm eh :^)))))))))

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>>18371398
>>18371454

hey, shut the fuck up, i gave up 6 years ago after the same amount and in a few months after picking it back up im able to hold simple conversations with natives

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>>18371388
Go back to readdit.

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>>18371537
>after the same amount and in a few months after picking it back up im able to hold simple conversations with natives
日本語上手ですね

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>>18371537
w-w-watashi no name wa john des ne!!!! t-tenki wa ii des ne!!!!!

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>>18371548
kisama ni suck my dick kure

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I'm remembering young cards at over 90% of the time but mature cards at just 79%, what should I be doing differently? So far the deck is 1200 self mined sentences

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>>18366960
23 turning 24 in one week fuck

3 months as of next week

I've always wanted to learn another language, and it's also an attempt to prove to myself that I can something difficult if I put my mind to it, so it's kind of a stepping stone to learning other languages after I'm satisfied with Japanese

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>女性語（じょせいご）とは、女性特有の言い回しや言葉。
Can someone please explain the meaning of 'や' in this context?
I know that 'や' can be a substitute for 'と', but it feels like 'の’ this time.

Sorry for being autistic.

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>>18371688
It's "and".

It's not "expressions of words", it's "expressions and words".

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>>18371688
「wording」や「vocabulary」

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>>18371698
>>18371699
Thx. I'm being stupid.

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the only thing i enjoy reading is doujinshi.

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>>18371719
Your life must be sad

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>>18371719
im proud of you anon, keep up the good work

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>>18371688
あのんがただしいよ

そのにほんご

せつめいになってない

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>>18371719