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DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1881 Anonymous Fri Jan 26 21:06:08 2018 No.18294874 [Reply] [Original]

Read the guide before asking questions:
http://djtguide.neocities.org

Previous thread: >>18275424

>>	Maki Fri Jan 26 21:06:45 2018 No.18294877 i may have failed but im not going to give up .__.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 21:08:04 2018 No.18294881 Reminder that reading and listening to Japanese is the only way to learn Japanese. Everything else is just icing on the cake.

>>	Maki Fri Jan 26 21:12:23 2018 No.18294902 >>18294881 you dont know how to learn Japanese..uve never learned it. youre just parroting

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 21:22:55 2018 No.18294956 >>18294902 I have.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 21:29:00 2018 No.18294984 What would be the best way to translate "答えさせない"? To make someone not answer?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 21:33:30 2018 No.18295008 >>18294984 https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/entries/199.htm

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 21:35:38 2018 No.18295019 >僕が愛撫をやめても、彼女は小刻みに肩を震わせ続けていた。 >余韻だけでも相当なものなのだろう。最後の行に「適当」の意味は十分とほぼ同じの？だけでもー＞やめなくても無理ですから余韻だけさせていいって感じな文脈は絶頂の後んです（すでに明らかけど。。）

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 21:52:31 2018 No.18295095 File: 88 KB, 480x272, hmm yes こぬか I was just thinking of that.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] do natives think もじぴったん is an easy game?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 22:28:19 2018 No.18295236 >>18295095 子どもでもとけるかんたんな問題もあれば、大人でもなかなか解けない難問もある。子どもが新しい言葉を覚えるのにぴったりな良いゲームだと思います。英語圏での、クロスワードパズルやスクラブルもそういう感じじゃないですか？

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 22:30:06 2018 No.18295243 >>18294397 >>18294418 >furigana on every kanji these might actually work for a shitter like me thanks anons which of them has cuter girls and/or lewder themes to help keep my attention and motivation high?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 22:50:20 2018 No.18295323 >>18295019 >余韻だけでも相当なものなのだろう。 The aftertaste(余韻) seems strong enough to make her shiver. 「だけでも」は、without real caressing というような意味です

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 22:59:29 2018 No.18295358 >>18295243 I’ve only read a volume of Ika Musume and only watched Non Non Biyori, but Ika Musume. Mostly because the squid girl isn’t human, so it’s fine to drain her of bodily fluids specifically ink for use in your cooking, put her on a leash, etc.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 23:14:31 2018 No.18295410

>>18295243
Non Non Biyori focuses on a group of cute girls living in the country side and doing interesting things with fun dialogue and characters that are actually enjoyable to read about. It has many things going for it.
But if you prefer obnoxious moe blobs and beaten to death boring ass tropes go with the Squid manga.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 23:15:01 2018 No.18295411 >>18295323 なるほど。さりとは、この文で相当の意味はかなりの程度ってほうも正しいんだろうか

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 23:23:10 2018 No.18295446 >>18295411 その通りです。「相当なものだ」は、「かなりの程度、（形容詞や副詞）」という意味です。（形容詞や副詞）が実際に何を指すかは、文脈によって変わります。

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 23:24:27 2018 No.18295452 File: 6 KB, 259x194, index.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 最近仕事が嫌になってきた…

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 23:28:54 2018 No.18295479 >>18294877 On what? Shitposting?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 23:33:43 2018 No.18295509 >>18295446 説明してくれてありがとう＾＾

>>	Maki Sat Jan 27 00:07:48 2018 No.18295644 >>18295479 no..on learning Japanese..

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 00:24:32 2018 No.18295707 >>18295243 most manga have furigana on every kanji

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 00:36:11 2018 No.18295742 >>18295707 What goes through your head before you post something like that?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 00:52:41 2018 No.18295798 >>18295644 Hey, Maki. Long time no see. How's life? Last I heard you flunked out of the Army.

>>	Maki Sat Jan 27 01:07:01 2018 No.18295850 >>18295798 Ish ok.. Mostly just living the neet life and trying to survive..hbu anon

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:12:52 2018 No.18295879

>>18295850
I finished college, mainly. I took way too long and now I'm taking my sweet ass time trying to find a job as well. We'll see how it goes. I have a bit of cash saved away so I'm not hurting yet. I passed N1 the winter 2016, as far as Japanese goes. I'm doing fine all things considered.

>>	Maki Sat Jan 27 01:14:36 2018 No.18295887 >>18295879 You passed N1? Jesus that's really impressive how long have you been studying? Why are you still here lol good job tho..legit..

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:16:28 2018 No.18295898

>>18295879
>I took way too long and now I'm taking my sweet ass time trying to find a job as well
You're fucked. If you don't get a job in the weeks following you're graduation, it's too late. You should have tried to make connections while you were in college, it's too late after that. You fucked up your life mate.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:19:31 2018 No.18295913 >>18295887 A bit over 4 years now >Why are you still here lol good job tho I think I like you guys >>18295898 No regrets. College was fun, and since I live in a country with free tuition I'm not loaded with debt either

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:21:48 2018 No.18295924

>>18295913
>No regrets. College was fun, and since I live in a country with free tuition I'm not loaded with debt either
Fair enough. I'm 99% sure you'll end up regretting your lack of drive later in life. Remember me when you do, I'll say ''I told you so'' while haunting your dreams every night.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:25:52 2018 No.18295934 >>18295924 I anticipate as much. At the moment I'm pretty much content, though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:39:11 2018 No.18295978 >>18295898 As someone who has legitimately fucked up their life, I have to laugh at this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 01:39:38 2018 No.18295979 このスレには意外と打ち解けた雰囲気があるねこれまでだけどｗ

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 02:12:32 2018 No.18296104

>>18295978
Some of us hold ourselves to high standards and come from a place where fucking up isn't an option. Obviously being homeless is worse than not capitalizing on uni contacts, but ''fucking up'' is very relative to where and how you were brought up. Lower classes are meant to be lower classes for a reason, and higher classes are there and stay there for a reason. It's not because they trample on and fuck over the lower classes, it's because we're brought up to believe that the threshold for fucking up is way narrower, thus making up work a lot harder to not fuck up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 02:23:10 2018 No.18296136 >>18296104 It feels good to be in a major where "networking" (a figurative dick sucking contest) isn't really required.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 02:25:16 2018 No.18296139 >>18296136 >figurative It can be literal if you go in with a winner's attitude.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 02:26:35 2018 No.18296144 >>18296104 >Lower classes are meant to be lower classes for a reason, and higher classes are there and stay there for a reason. British, right? Anyway, I have no intention of telling you how to live your life. I hope you find happiness, anon.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 02:33:30 2018 No.18296158 >>18296139 #metoo

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 02:35:58 2018 No.18296162 >>18296144 >British, right? I don't see why you jumped to that conclusion, what I said is pretty much universal and true throughout all of human history. I'm not British though, but I am a monarchist.

>>	Maki Sat Jan 27 02:43:29 2018 No.18296177 >>18296104 I wish I had this mentality growing up. But the graduate guy seems like he's fine. He educated and knows Japanese. That's good enough lol

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 03:36:08 2018 No.18296307 >>18295887 >You passed N1? Is it?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 03:40:32 2018 No.18296314 >>18296307 It means you're at or slightly below middle school level, which is important because those are the best girls.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 03:45:33 2018 No.18296329 Gonna try J-J cards from now on to see if I can stop translating literally every word I learn into English first while reading. Wish me luck

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 03:50:50 2018 No.18296340 >>18296329 うぉおおおおがんばれえええええ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 04:09:48 2018 No.18296390 >>18296329 words are just a key to a concept

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 04:12:27 2018 No.18296398 My reading is N1 tier (based on practise exams) but my listening is absolute garbage. I think I am listening retarded. I can understand everything if there is subtitles, but otherwise often struggle. Feels bad man

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 04:21:22 2018 No.18296434 >>18296390 Which is why i'd rather go from Japanese word to Concept instead of Japanese word to english word to concept. I mean maybe its the wrong way to go about it but couldn't hurt to try.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 04:44:31 2018 No.18296544

>>18296398
I have the same problem. Like there's a lot of words that I would immediately recognize in kanji but don't understand or have to think for a second when I hear them. So it's a normal thing. Listening is really hard, and you got to practice it specifically. Having conversations helps.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 04:46:43 2018 No.18296553 今日は最高にいい気分だよ。 can someone explain what the に here is doing? none of the usages i know fit it

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:04:18 2018 No.18296640

>>18296398
>>18296544
Same problem. When I took the N1 last year I got virtually perfect scores on the reading/grammar but only 50% on listening. I think it may stem from a lack of interesting, high level Japanese dialogues. Most of the potential listening practice we have is weebshit or j-dramas, which aren't that helpful. Conversations don't seem to help much either unless you have someone who can talk to you at a high level frequently.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:24:04 2018 No.18296714

>>18296544
>>18296640
I think I need to really commit to just binge watching TV shows and things.

The main issue is that I don't really enjoy them because I don't understand a lot. If I could understand them I would probably enjoy it and watch a lot more. I guess it's the initial hurdle I need to get through

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:25:22 2018 No.18296719 >>18296714 Start with slow, educational kids shows and work your way up, same as reading.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:31:58 2018 No.18296743

>>18296714
I've recently started serious listening practice and what I've been doing is taking sub files from kitsuneko and just opening them with a text editor and pausing and reading the line when I don't understand, then going back and playing the line over and over until it clicks. I don't really think there's much merit in listening if it's not comprehensive.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:32:45 2018 No.18296744 >>18296553 最高 is a な-adjective, so 最高 + 良い -> 最高にいい今日は非常に寒い、の「に」

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:33:53 2018 No.18296749 >>18296640 How does that happen? I took N1 two years ago and got perfect in listening. (And reading and almost in grammar.)

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:52:10 2018 No.18296806 >>18296743 >kitsuneko I wish there were more readily available subs for dramas and movies

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:55:26 2018 No.18296815

>>18296806
Yea it sucks but I figure there's plenty of shows there that are at least watchable and by the time I finish all of them I won't need to use transcript files as a crutch as much anymore. Guess that's just more motivation to get out of the babby stage and get good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:57:22 2018 No.18296822 >>18296719 >Start with slow, educational kids shows Do you have any recommended ones? I've always thought about doing this, but wasn't sure where to look or what to go with.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 05:58:59 2018 No.18296827

>>18296815
There is a lot there I just don't really want to practise with anime. There are some movies and dramas that I've tried to watch but couldn't because I couldn't find any Japanese subs for it

I'll keep trying though. I've got to get better eventually, and it's the only part of my Japanese that I think is holding me back

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 06:17:18 2018 No.18296886 >Think you can take me! >Don't forget me! アノンこれを訳してちょうだい https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Jk6YaCkjVA

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 06:36:05 2018 No.18296949 >>18296553 いい (and all い-adjectives) function as verbs so it's the same adverbial に you're already used to.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 06:50:44 2018 No.18296991 Where can I search for raw manga. I have tried using share but it is a pain in the ass. Where you guys get your raws from? I've been wanting to find Hakoiri Drops for a while now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 06:52:07 2018 No.18296994 Anyone used this book? https://www.amazon.co.jp/Nihongo-through-Newspaper-Revised-新聞で学ぶ日本語/dp/4789012824 Is it any good?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 06:55:19 2018 No.18297000 File: 14 KB, 488x592, hmm.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18296640 Are you me? >falling for the just read meme

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:01:08 2018 No.18297020 >>18296994 ちょっとみてみたよ bad

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:06:44 2018 No.18297033 >>18297020 Fair enough. Been looking for a resource to get into newspapers, but I guess I'll just have to take the plunge.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:08:41 2018 No.18297040 >>18297033 にほんのしんぶんってみたことある？ぜんぜんちがうよ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:14:20 2018 No.18297056 >>18297040 Different in style, you mean? I know Chinese so I'm used to the East Asian approach to news. Not sure if that's what you mean though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:18:47 2018 No.18297073 >>18297056 ふつうのＪＬＰＴの本より badな本をえらぶりゆうはないとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:20:20 2018 No.18297083 >>18297000 How did you improve your listening?

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:23:28 2018 No.18297100

>>18297056
Don't talk to Hiragana only peasants.
Buy some newspapers from Japan and dissect them.
Most newspapers use the daily use kanji from the Jouyou Kanji List:
http://www.bunka.go.jp/kokugo_nihongo/sisaku/joho/joho/kijun/naikaku/pdf/joyokanjihyo_20101130.pdf

So just study those and pick up words and phrases with anki or whatever way of memorisation your prefer.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:31:46 2018 No.18297135

>>18296991
You should be able to find most stuff on nyaa.si, otherwise manga-zip should have. All of Hakoiri Drops is on manga-zip, but there are a few volumes on nyaa if you want to torrent since fileshare speeds suck ass unless you have a premium account.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:37:04 2018 No.18297161 >>18297083 I'm not one to give advice about that. My listening is still not good.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:37:29 2018 No.18297164

>>18297083
You improve listening by doing listening. If you're using J-subs, you're shooting yourself in the foot as you're more likely to read along with the audio which lulls you into thinking you understand it but you really don't.

You'll get the most out of listening to stuff that's a bit above your level, maybe around 70-80% comprehensible (so you know around 4 out of every 5 words). Stuff like slice of life anime is good as they usually have fairly simple vocab. Stay away from Psycho Pass coz the vocab is quite complex.

You should also be using your listening time to pick up new words. If you're not using Anki by now just kill yourself, otherwise, make flashcards for words that you hear more than a few times within a couple of episodes, rather than just every single word you don't know. Also, making a sentence card where you know every word in the sentence except one is ideal. Preferably you should be getting these sentences from an anime, or a book or whatever you're listening, rather than a sentence list from some website.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 07:57:04 2018 No.18297241 File: 10 KB, 790x376, n1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18297000 Nah. But I can't really give any advice other than to listem more and ignore everything DJT says. This is what worked for me. No magical tricks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:01:20 2018 No.18297248 File: 118 KB, 361x440, its time.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18297164 >If you're not using Anki by now just kill yourself,

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:06:58 2018 No.18297271

>>18297100
Thanks mate. I think we may have chatted about this before, but kanji are not an issue for me as I know Chinese. I guess the only way is to pick up a paper and go through it. Would've like audio and grammar explanations to get me going though.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:15:34 2018 No.18297299 File: 372 KB, 690x690, 1516908665846.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18296104 >It's not because they trample on and fuck over the lower classes

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:17:53 2018 No.18297306

>>18297164
Nice generic meme response. There is probably some inverse relationship between willingness to comment and language proficiency among learners. The more someone makes overly general comments on something the less they have actual experience with the topic, is a trend I've noticed.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:21:37 2018 No.18297322 >>18296991 >I've been wanting to find Hakoiri Drops for a while now. https://mokuroku.neocities.org/ https://mega.nz/#F!pIpgwYSQ!DTXh25vD_o2v7ORcAKLd_w

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 08:27:32 2018 No.18297342 >>18297322 >https://mokuroku.neocities.org/ Wow, Thanks for the link. That site looks really good.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:26:55 2018 No.18297519 Does anyone know a site where I can see what new manga are popular and well liked? As in, not stuff like One Piece but things like ダンジョン飯 or 出会って5秒でバトル.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:41:16 2018 No.18297553 >>18297519 You can search manga by year on MAL, but given that it's a Western community, newer stuff is likely not to be very popular (it probably won't be scanlated or licensed meaning most of the userbase can't read it).

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:49:44 2018 No.18297594 how do i stop having existential crisis' whenever i sit down to study japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 09:50:59 2018 No.18297598 >>18297594 Remember the porn you want to read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:13:37 2018 No.18297698 >>18297594 remember za way of za samurai: 「お前はもう死んでいる」

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:16:28 2018 No.18297710 I'm at the very beginner level and I'm going to start with reading some simple stuff. I was wondering if there's something that has translations with explanation so that I can check if I understand things correctly?

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:21:15 2018 No.18297722

>>18297710
The Yotsuba reading pack sort of does that, IIRC.

By the way, if you're going to check the English translation of Yotsuba to confirm your understanding, DO NOT use the scanlation. It's really bad. Get scans of the Yen Press release instead.

I am so sick of this fucking new captcha. Why the fuck do I have to fill it in 3-4 times per post?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:22:12 2018 No.18297725 >>18297710 Japanese the Manga Way then Read Real Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 10:43:22 2018 No.18297815 >>18297722 >>18297725 Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:32:14 2018 No.18298090 File: 157 KB, 598x780, 1509119026495.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Is there a quick way to suspend/delete all the katakana words in the Core deck?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:36:17 2018 No.18298110 >>18297553 Yeah that's precisely why I'm asking here, English sites are no good for detecting new fads.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:40:25 2018 No.18298141 >>18298090 Hit the del key when they pop up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 11:50:58 2018 No.18298190 >>18297710 >I'm going to start with reading some simple stuf Start with textbooks, they have translations.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:24:48 2018 No.18298361 >>18298190 Reminds me, why is DJT in general so averse to textbooks?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:27:11 2018 No.18298372 >>18298361 Because a lot of people just end up going from textbook to textbook to textbook and becoming eternal beginners. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:28:34 2018 No.18298380 >>18298372 Good I love that man

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:30:47 2018 No.18298393 >>18298372 >or whatever your (((teacher))) has you doing in class steve dropping red pills like they're moose droppings

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:31:01 2018 No.18298397 >>18298361 They have serious problems for self study

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:36:06 2018 No.18298427 >>18298372 >>18298393 >and then he starts shit talking college courses steve i know you're in here, reveal yourself

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:36:56 2018 No.18298429 File: 31 KB, 500x259, WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >城 >域

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:37:55 2018 No.18298434 >>18298429 those are easy though

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:39:20 2018 No.18298437 >>18298372 2nd biggest mistake is to spend too much time worrying about how to learn. Watching more than two Steve Kaufman videos is a waste of time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:40:34 2018 No.18298445 >>18298429 The answer to the 'why Japanese people' meme is almost always, 'because of Chinese phonetics'. It's got nothing to do with Japanese people.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:40:52 2018 No.18298446 File: 16 KB, 469x582, 1513976512827.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18297000 >tfw listening was my highest score All those ASMR videos paid off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:44:27 2018 No.18298464 >>18298437 Nothing wrong with putting them on as background noise

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:45:17 2018 No.18298467 >>18298393 >((( ))) Steve is (ethnically) Jewish, you know. His parents were Jews from the Czech part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire who immigrated to Sweden (where Steve was born, I think) and then to Canada. >>18298437 True.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:46:18 2018 No.18298473 >>18298464 Whatever floats your boat.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:48:40 2018 No.18298482
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>>18298445
>It's got nothing to do with Japanese people.
Except the fact that they adopted a writing script which fits their language about as well as a square peg fits in a round hole.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:50:55 2018 No.18298490 >>18298482 god i hate asi*ns

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:54:12 2018 No.18298502 >>18298482 >Except the fact >a writing script Learn English please.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:55:17 2018 No.18298504 >>18298446 That's almost my result on this year's test!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 12:58:05 2018 No.18298519 File: 12 KB, 404x153, 1494583277402.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18298502 I'll admit that "writing script" should've been "writing system", but if you think "except the fact" is wrong then you need to polish up your English yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:03:17 2018 No.18298539 File: 39 KB, 846x294, Screen Shot 2018-01-27 at 18.02.36.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18298519

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:07:03 2018 No.18298553

What is it like reading Japanese when you study words via flash cards that have Japanese on the front and English (or some other language) on the back?
I like making J-J cards asap. For example:
>Mine a new word
>Take the sentence you encountered and understand it (or find an easier sentence on tatoeba or wwjdc; I think it's best to take from your mining material since you'll have more context/more emotional ties)
>Place that sentence on the back of the card as a reminder to the meaning of that word instead of an English (or other language) equivalent
>Also place the corresponding definition taken from a Japanese dictionary on the back even if you don't fully understand it yet
>Ideally, you would mine the unknown words in that definition until you understand the definition but doing this becomes incredibly boring when you're first starting out
>Now review in Anki per usual
>If you forget a card and can't remember even with the sentence as a reminder, you'll need to look it up once again in English/whatever

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:08:57 2018 No.18298557 >>18298539 How is it wrong? It's just a 略 of "except for the fact (that)..." I guess it's a little awkward to start a sentence with it, but that's okay; we casual here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:13:23 2018 No.18298571 >>18298553 Dude just press R stop spending so much time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:14:33 2018 No.18298575 >>18298553 omfg!!

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:14:35 2018 No.18298576 What font are you guys using?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:15:36 2018 No.18298578 >>18298553 Stop putting so much effort into Anki when you could read instead.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:17:45 2018 No.18298587 >>18298557 Fair enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:19:21 2018 No.18298594 >>18298587 I'm starting to recognize your posting patterns. I'll zero in on you before long. Watch yoself

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:21:49 2018 No.18298604 >>18298575 Great idea, right? >>18298571 It's too much work to install the extra plugin that Yomichan needs to get Anki auto import to work. >>18298578 I'm afraid of translating to English when I read.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:24:32 2018 No.18298620 >>18298604 >I'm afraid of translating to English when I read. that's like part of the learning process homie and it'll go away eventually no matter what you do chill and just read t. dekiteru ko

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:26:39 2018 No.18298631
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I'm about to start learning Japanese again and i want to know from the people who have been learning for 2 or more years does the DJT guide work? If not what would you guys recommend.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:29:27 2018 No.18298643 is there any add-on for Anki that would show stroke order in answers to my kanji cards? I've already made 2500 of them and it'd be a drag to add them manually

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:29:59 2018 No.18298644 >>18298604 >It's too much work dekinai

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:31:16 2018 No.18298651 >>18298631 there is at least one guy (a Brit) who learnt Jap in 2 years with AJATT

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:32:21 2018 No.18298656 >>18298651 I doubbt he was really British

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:33:17 2018 No.18298660 >>18298594 Fair enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:40:21 2018 No.18298695 >>18298631 If you take it serious obviously it does.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:41:41 2018 No.18298700 >>18298604 I didn't do any of that busywork and I don't translate to English in my head (after the beginner phase).

>>	Maki Sat Jan 27 13:43:06 2018 No.18298706 >>18298695 Not if ur a brainlet..

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:44:01 2018 No.18298710 Is there any Aozora Bunko reader on Android that supports text highlighting and copying to clipboard at least, or ideally has a built-in dictionary? J->J is ok.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:01:15 2018 No.18298787 >>18292129 what's the relationship between sweden and sexual toys?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:06:46 2018 No.18298812 >>18298631 Yes, but I think it doesn't put enough emphasis on listening.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:20:30 2018 No.18298860 >>18298812 I have this belief that "just listen" is actually the actual one easy trick for learning japanese, as opposed to "just read"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:22:12 2018 No.18298863 >なんなのコイツ >何様なの？古見様の前だからキツいこと言えないけど、正直消えろｋス What does ｋス mean? The line is from 古見さんは、コミュ症です. Page 174 of volume one -- seems like it might be the 5th or 6th page of chapter 19 (I don't have a digital copy). >けいすたる >けすたる >けいすほし >けすほし >消す欲しい？

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:24:47 2018 No.18298871

I still have no fucking idea why it's so important to write kanji
>with right stroke order
I get it that in rapid writing the order may give a different shape to the kanji, but who said I'm supposed to read it in the first place? My writing in Latin script is fucking SHIT (my teachers could read it tho) and it doesn't mean I can't speak my English, because I don't write prettily - why should I give more attention to it in Jap than I do in my language? Can anyone even read what doctors are prescribing them?

Point being: if you want for your own good then go for it but if it hurts you don't sweat it.If the kanji resembles/look almost same it's good despite using different stroke order.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:25:12 2018 No.18298872 File: 718 B, 65x27, ksuhoshi.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18298863 Oops, there is a symbol of a star at the end of kス that went away when I submitted my post. It should look like the attached image.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:25:31 2018 No.18298875 >>18298863 カス Common insult.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:26:41 2018 No.18298880 >>18298871 Go away retard.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:27:25 2018 No.18298884 >>18298875 Thank you. Does the star at the end (>>18298872) change anything? Otherwise I feel like I should know that since there was a page earlier in the volume that was pretty much solid カスカスカスカスカスカスカス directed at the same character.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:30:25 2018 No.18298897 >>18298884 The star is not a kanji or anything like that, no. My interpretation is that the star just makes it more annoying. Like if someone wrote fuck you asshole and then drew a big heart next to it. It's taunting.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:31:51 2018 No.18298904

>>18298897
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%82%B6%E2%98%86%E3%83%94%E3%80%9C%E3%82%B9!

here's the same star
it's just a fucking star, don't get into your head over such details, you're wasting time, you could've learned a few words in the time you wasted on that one star

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:35:46 2018 No.18298926 >>18298904 in the sense that you'll see stars all over the place (particularly in certain forms of media) learning about the star and what it indicates is unironically a good use of time compared to gunning for maximum kanji count

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:37:06 2018 No.18298933
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>>18298897
>>18298904
Haha, thank you. I did search for it by typing hoshi into my IME which made me wonder if it was used to represent some sounds and that kス【星】 was some hip slang. But now that you mention it, I remember seeing it used in some anime titles as well as a spacer.
>>18298926
ありがとう、優しい無なしくん

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:37:40 2018 No.18298936 >>18298539 "you've outstayed your welcome" "he promised he would make your welcome a warm one"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:38:33 2018 No.18298937 >>18298933 >無なし ;_; >無名 >名無しほんとうにすみませんでした！ I always mix those two up -- argh.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:39:27 2018 No.18298945

Is there an official Kanji / Vocab / Grammar list that is for the N1?

Everything I look for just says you need this many, and it may give a list, but is it official or just estimated?

I am mainly asking for Kanji as I am learning the meanings alongside vocabulary. The Kanji deck I have has 4,000 Kanji. I'm close to getting to the 2,000 point. I would rather not waste time on learning the rest if I can just finish the deck around 2,500 Kanji and focus more of my time into vocab/grammar.

Thank you for the answers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:40:06 2018 No.18298948 >>18298937 I was wondering what that was supposed to mean. >Non-Nothing-Kun

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:40:25 2018 No.18298951 >>18298651 Are you talking about that BritVsJapan guy from YouTube? He doesn't post here, does he?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:40:32 2018 No.18298953 >>18298945 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojOUmjJaJRI&t=0s

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:41:35 2018 No.18298960 >>18298951 yes and yes he doesn't post here and he learned Japanese, really makes you think...

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:42:56 2018 No.18298965 Do weebs like it when you translate 先生 straight up as sensei? My friend asked me to translate a short comic and I'm not sure whether to go for master or sensei.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:42:59 2018 No.18298966 Where do I get dubbed Japanese movies from? I was downloading some from their TV but I want to find particular ones like 'The Exorcist'. tl;dr I need into Jap torrents, can't use Netflix cos poorfag + don't like paying jews

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:44:00 2018 No.18298971 >>18298965 maybe ask him since he's a weeb?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:44:05 2018 No.18298972 >>18298965 Yes, we prefer it as Sensei. Do not translate it as Teacher or Master. Sensei is good.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:47:57 2018 No.18298988
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>>18298965
If your friend is anything like anons from /a/ who refuse to learn Japanese, he will probably prefer as many Japanese terms in roumaji as possible. It gives EOPs a delusional sense of superiority, since they are reading Japanese without really reading Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:48:53 2018 No.18298993 >>18298953 Stop shilling your retarded channel you fucker. That didn't answer my question. Kill yourself dipshit.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:49:47 2018 No.18298999 >>18297299 t. lower class underachiever

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:49:59 2018 No.18299000 >>18298993 you sound quite mad you'll never learn Japanese with such temper

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:50:35 2018 No.18299002 >>18299000 Nice digits but really fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:51:25 2018 No.18299007 >>18299002 why should I 'fuck off'? I actually tried to help you

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 14:59:07 2018 No.18299047 >>18298787 nobody knows?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:03:58 2018 No.18299084 おはようおにいちゃんおなかすいたたこやきてきなものたべたい

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:04:06 2018 No.18299087 百合絵しか描かない女子が突然フェラの体験を語りだすとなんとも言えない気持ちになる t. チェリーボーイ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:12:16 2018 No.18299112 >最奥まで押し込んでいたモノを、ゆっくりと引き抜いていく。 >彼女の柔らかい膣肉が、僕のモノを離したくないとでも言うように、絡みついてくる。 >モノを引き抜かれるような刺激――それが、たまらないほどに気持ちよかった。どうして先の文に引き抜くの受動態が使いますか？もしかしたらこの刺激とは彼女の反応を示しているかな。だが、後の節の気持ちって矛盾っぽいな

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:22:41 2018 No.18299171 >>18299112 彼女の膣は自分のモノを離したくないでしょ？それで「モノを引き抜かれる」つまり、自分のモノを膣の圧力によって体から引き抜かれるような刺激こういう事じゃない？わかんないけど

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:37:57 2018 No.18299262 >>18298999 "responding to a six hour old image post with an /int/ insult"

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:44:00 2018 No.18299297 >>18299171 あ、それはかもしれない。相反の力かな自分のモノを引き抜いてようとするが彼女の膣肉が逆に引き抜かれるよう感じがしますってことの？

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:48:47 2018 No.18299317 >>18299297 そういうことだと思う

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 15:58:36 2018 No.18299374 >>18299317 ありがとう

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:04:07 2018 No.18299407 >>18299374 明日の膣質問に期待するぜ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:25:18 2018 No.18299486 I finally did it you guys. It took 3 years of working hard and practicing every day, but I've finally come to terms with the fact that i can't learn Japanese. It's like a huge burden has been lifted off my shoulders.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:32:15 2018 No.18299515 >>18299486 Congratulations. Just think of all the free time you have now.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:33:35 2018 No.18299518 >>18299486 No dude. I believe in you. You just need to put in the time. Maybe you don't really want it though and that's okay too. Maybe you could pay that JLUP guy a couple hundred bucks to have him talk to you for an hour.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:38:38 2018 No.18299541 >>18299486 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxGRhd_iWuE

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:38:41 2018 No.18299543 >>18299518 I'm usually on the "don't give up" side but if >>18299486 really feels like they can't learn then it's better they stop. It's a big time commitment and life is short.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:39:50 2018 No.18299547
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Anyone read DoJG for fun (as in, not because you are looking up a specific grammar)? I've bee reading it from A-Z and it's pretty fun to read, though not sure how much I am learning.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:41:06 2018 No.18299553 >>18299547 In my free time I always read dictionaries because I have autism aswell.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 16:41:50 2018 No.18299556 >>18299547 I have scanned through it before to see if there was anything interesting, but reading from A-Z is beyond what I'm willing to do. Shine on, you crazy diamond.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:05:17 2018 No.18299660

>>18299486
Just make sure that that's really what you want. If any part of you still wants to know Japanese, every time you see anything in Japanese in the future, you'll feel the regret of having given up. And if you decide to pick it up again down the line, you'll have unnecessarily wasted valuable time.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:10:24 2018 No.18299679 >>18299543 It's whatever. I'm not cut out for having goals or dreams.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:15:55 2018 No.18299704 File: 143 KB, 1200x851, 7547.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] ざまあない

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:31:41 2018 No.18299755 >>18299262 But I was replying to a guy who replied to my original post 6 hours after I had posted it. Why not reprimand him too? Are you guys butt buddies?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 17:58:40 2018 No.18299859 File: 32 KB, 225x350, 1503933388780.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18294877 Remember that you're only ever as bad as you feel.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:00:42 2018 No.18299866 >>18299755 Are you paranoid or something?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:02:45 2018 No.18299875 >>18297306 What, so I'm wrong, you don't get better at listening by doing more listening?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:12:39 2018 No.18299930 Would the sentence '誰のせいだよ！' be something like "Whose fault is that!"? That's presuming せい is 正, the versatility of せい is confusing me.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:15:23 2018 No.18299941 >>18299930 it's 所為

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:16:17 2018 No.18299944 >>18299941 That's perfect, thank you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:19:53 2018 No.18299959 >>18299866 Enough to detect assholes from a mile away.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:28:00 2018 No.18299985 >>18299959 If it smells like ass wherever you go you probably want to check yourself the next time you're in the bathroom.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:29:13 2018 No.18299987 >>18299985 The vast majority of people you cross paths with in real life are assholes. If you don't see it that way, you're probably one of them.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:30:56 2018 No.18299994 >>18299987 That's what an asshole would say.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:32:01 2018 No.18299999 >>18299987 Looks like we've got a bonafide asshole here.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:33:01 2018 No.18300004 >>18299999 Quints tho

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:33:59 2018 No.18300009 >>18299994 >If you hate assholes, that means you're an asshole >If you hate gays, that means you're gay >If you hate nazis, that means you're a nazi I think you need a class on rhetoric, because your way of thinking is quite dysfunctionnal.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:37:08 2018 No.18300019 >>18300009 I think you need to see a psychologist because you lack self awareness and are quite delusional.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:37:10 2018 No.18300018 >>18300009 Nobody said any of those. Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:43:45 2018 No.18300047 >>18300018 Both >>18299994 and >>18299999 called me an asshole because I can't stand assholes. I quoted that, plus two other rhetorical statement of the same nature to demonstrate the absurdity in that type of logic.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:50:34 2018 No.18300069 Can you please stop and go back to study,ください

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:50:48 2018 No.18300070 >>18300047 >because I can't stand assholes lmao the obliviousness and narcissism

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 18:55:11 2018 No.18300085 >>18300070 t. never heard of the Categorical Imperative This is your brain on Atheism. The absolute state of the West. Generation Z will be the generation that destroys the West through its stupidity and ignorance of history.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:03:35 2018 No.18300130 >>18299944 そんなことかくひといないよはつおんも「せー」だよ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:07:09 2018 No.18300145 >>18300130 たまに歌では最後の「い」を発音する人いるけど、それって歌だからかな？確かに普通の会話では聞いたことない

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:10:44 2018 No.18300157 たまに「せい」っていうけどたまーにきげんのわるいときだけだよ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:15:25 2018 No.18300176 >>18298945 Estimated. JLPT stopped posting official lists in 2011 or something. I don't think N1 contains non-jouyou kanji (or if they do it's never pivotal to the question) so you can stop at 2000 or 2500 or whatever number you prefer.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:17:55 2018 No.18300182 >>18300157 なるほどねありがとう

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:21:27 2018 No.18300194 >>18300182 ほんとにきげんのわるいときははっきり「き・さ・ま・の・せ・い・だ！」ってはつおんするかなりつよい叱責になるよ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:24:34 2018 No.18300212 >>18300194 それ喜怒哀楽の問題じゃなくて話すスピードだろ

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:30:50 2018 No.18300245 >>18300194 こわい… 言われたくない

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:37:06 2018 No.18300273 >>18300245 あと「まつだいまでのろってやる」とか「いちぞくとうろうみなごろしにしてやる」とか「くりりんのことかー」とかいう

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:43:47 2018 No.18300301 >>18299486 No shame in admitting you couldn't learn one of the most difficult languages for English speakers.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:47:56 2018 No.18300310 >>18300130 ZUN様のことは存じませんか

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:52:26 2018 No.18300324 >>18299547 Reading DoJG A-Z was probably the most useful grammar study I've done. It exposes you to a ton of grammar without feeling as painful as explicit grammar study.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 19:57:06 2018 No.18300342 >>18300273 きげんわるいというか覚醒しちゃいそうためになるフレーズおぼえた！

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 20:30:22 2018 No.18300472 >>18299547 Were you experimenting to see whether or not it's really possible to die of boredom? Since you managed to post this, I guess it must not be, but you do appear to have driven yourself to insanity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 20:35:59 2018 No.18300498 >>18300472 I don't find it boring at all - I prefer it to Tae Kim. Aside from a few long entries it is well presented and succinct.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 20:38:45 2018 No.18300510 >>18300498 Yep, it's insanity.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 20:39:39 2018 No.18300514 >>18300342 つかわないでね

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 20:41:14 2018 No.18300520 >>18300510 Some people who learn languages actually like languages, surprisingly.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 21:04:10 2018 No.18300581 >>18299553 not sure if you were joking but I actually read through and mined a (beginner's) dictionary front to back and got about 400 new words

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 21:35:35 2018 No.18300702

>>18299547
I read through the Basic version over a period of a week or two during otherwise boring train rides when I didn't have a tablet or phone capable of reading manga or doing Anki reps.
It wasn't half bad, to be honest. It's a really well written grammar resource and feeling things here and there click in my head during reading made it enjoyable enough.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:31:49 2018 No.18300919 >>18298966 anyone knows about this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:36:59 2018 No.18300945 I've been studying for almost a month now and am already getting burnt out. Kanji are fucking impossible, I just don't get it. How do I remember shit like 寝る is ねる？

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:40:17 2018 No.18300970 >>18300945 Did you learn the radicals?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:41:16 2018 No.18300974 >>18300945 by studying for longer than a month

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:42:24 2018 No.18300981

練習
庭

These are two more I keep getting wrong. How the fuck do I remember this shit? I will literally see the card again like 15 seconds later and not remember what it is. Am I retarded?

>>18300970
No? Everyone says individual kanji study is a waste of time

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:43:58 2018 No.18300985 File: 10 KB, 297x97, 1000.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] 1000 hours in anki Is it time to stop?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:43:59 2018 No.18300986 >>18300981 You are retarded for taking random 4chan posts as gospel instead of trying things yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:48:49 2018 No.18300997 >>18300985 >average 60mins a day It's time to stop wasting so much time on anki

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:56:43 2018 No.18301032 >>18300945 >How do I remember shit like 寝る is ねる？ The same way you remember shit like ねる is neru.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 22:59:58 2018 No.18301042 >>18301032 But I can read ねる since kana are used all the time and there aren't that many of them. Kanji only come up in specific words and I don't know enough to read yet so I pretty much only see them when the specific word they're used in comes up.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:02:11 2018 No.18301048 >>18301042 >I don't know enough to read yet Don't know enough what? >so I pretty much only see them when the specific word they're used in comes up. Comes up where?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:02:51 2018 No.18301052 This language has too many fucking words.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:05:07 2018 No.18301061 >>18301052 >kawaii >ganbare >kakkoii >sugoi >eeeee you now can undestand about 90% of tv shows

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:05:54 2018 No.18301062 >>18301048 I don't know enough kanji to read yet so I only see each kanji when they come up on specific vocab cards.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:07:50 2018 No.18301069 yo, I've been in Japanese for a year and was wondering if anyone on this thread could help. My host family from japan wrote me after I wrote them. I just want some one to help me by giving a second translation after my own. Can anyone help?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:08:22 2018 No.18301073 >>18301062 >>I don't know enough kanji to read yet Texthookers and OCR exist, you know. Also, furigana.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:12:16 2018 No.18301097 >>18301073 Literally everyone here shat all over me like a week and a half ago when I said I wanted to start reading some manga

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:12:48 2018 No.18301101 File: 20 KB, 692x207, huh.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why is the answer here の? I don't get it.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:20:27 2018 No.18301124

>>18301097
Really? I don't know why they would do that. Usually it's the opposite where people get shat all over for not reading.

When you do read, just a word of caution - it can be tempting, but try not to abuse texthookers and OCR. Try to actually read the words you encounter yourself before you resort to using the texthooker or OCR program to read it for you.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:24:59 2018 No.18301141 >>18301101 I would have thought が tbqh

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:25:22 2018 No.18301142 >>18301124 People love to say this, but how is a beginner supposed to try to read the words before looking them up when they're going to recognize maybe 1% of them?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:26:24 2018 No.18301145 >>18301141 It's even an N5 example question so seriously, what?

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:28:26 2018 No.18301152

>>18301142
Try reading the 1% you do recognize. At least think about whether or not you recognize a word before instantly depending on tools to read it for you, is what I'm saying.

You won't ever learn to read kanji words if you never actually try to read them.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:44:39 2018 No.18301196

>>18301124
>When you do read, just a word of caution - it can be tempting, but try not to abuse texthookers and OCR.
Nah, fuck that noise. They are tools to use so use them. Anki exists to take care of the longer term memorising so look up what you feel the need to look up; don't even think twice about it. Look ups gradually lower over time and skimmimg over words you don't quite remember or understand just for the sake of pride is a nothing more than spinning your wheels.

>but extensive reading
Yeah it's awesome but you really need to be at least an intermediate reader to benefit from that, since it demands at least a good 95% comprehension of what is being read.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:49:37 2018 No.18301209

>>18301152
>You won't ever learn to read kanji words if you never actually try to read them.
What a fucking stupid thing to day. When you look up a word, it involves reading the word. Seriously, stop giving advice because you are either a beginner parroting things or an advanced reader who can no longer empathize with what it is like to be a beginner.
What you are doing is no different than some Crossfit tard telling a 400 pound man to take creatine and start running 10 miles a day.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:52:30 2018 No.18301218 >>18301101 >>18301145 そうじ is a noun so it becomes a noun phrase: へやのそうじゃ, the cleaning of the room.

Anonymous Sat Jan 27 23:58:05 2018 No.18301232

>>18301196
>skimmimg over words you don't quite remember or understand just for the sake of pride
When did I ever suggest such a thing? If you recognize a word but can't read it, by all means use the tools available to look it up.

It's not about "pride". It's about getting extra practice reading kanji instead of only practising through Anki every once in a while when the word in question pops up in your reviews (assuming you're even reviewing it yet and it's not buried under a several month backlog of new cards).

>>18301209
>When you look up a word, it involves reading the word.
Not if you just immediately reach for the OCR or texthooker the moment you spot a kanji without even making an attempt to read it, then darting your eyes straight to the hiragana reading, again ignoring the kanji altogether, which it what I'm advising against.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:03:54 2018 No.18301252 Is there any relatively recent light novel /long series regular novel out there with writing that isn't utter shit ご都合主婦俺tueeeee? I need a new series to read on the train.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:07:04 2018 No.18301262 Is there a recommended physical Japanese/English dictionary? I'd like to get one I can read on paper. Also what about electronic dictionaries? For use with drawing kanji you can't look up etc

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:11:40 2018 No.18301277

>>18301101
As usual, everyone here pretends to know everything, but nobody will give this a proper answer because they simply don't know. You would probably have a better chance on /int/'s DJT where they have actual natives that can help you. Anything that isn't kawaii! and sugoi! level goes over everyone's head here.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:20:32 2018 No.18301319 >>18301277 I already said の because it's a noun phrase. You don't use が because then the room would be the thing that did the cleaning.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:20:55 2018 No.18301324

Can you guys point me in the direction of readings about using the plain form to describe progressive states/actions? While watching some shounenshit I heard on character say to another:
>手前、何考えてやがる
And in this one clip I saw a while back of a Simpsons JP dub one of the characters said
>まま、お兄ちゃんは変な顔をする
Which was translated as "Mom, brother keeps making weird faces" (something like that but definitely using present progressive)
I don't think I've run into other examples yet, at least not ones that I can remember off the top of my head.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:23:50 2018 No.18301345 >>18301218 would が technically also be correct here? Like is it more of a grammar nazi thing or is the sentence blatantly right or wrong if you use one over the other?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:27:08 2018 No.18301365 >>18301345 >小原低は蛍ちゃんがへやのそうじをしました I would confirm with a grammar guide but I think that would mean that the room did the cleaning.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:29:29 2018 No.18301373 >>18301365 >低 I need to be careful with the IME. I meant 邸

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:32:00 2018 No.18301387 >>18301345 「が」だとくっつきかたがかわって >おとーとの　へやが　そうじされました「を」だとくっつきかたがかわって >おとーとの　へやを　そうじ　しました「に」だとくっつきかたがあんまりなくて >おとーとは　へやに　そうじのため　いましたきれいにくっつけるのは「の」だよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:32:27 2018 No.18301388 What's the difference between あんたら and あんたたち?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:42:13 2018 No.18301436 >>18301388 they both mean the same thing and are mostly used in anime, manga and games; In day to day conversation あなたたち is used instead.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:48:39 2018 No.18301468 File: 10 KB, 488x256, t-thanks_google.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18301387

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 00:59:51 2018 No.18301509 >>18300981 >練習 >庭 Try these on for size: 施行 vs 旅行未 vs 末 And some fun ones: 髑髏魑魅魍魎薔薇 >>18301365 This anon is correct, 彼は部屋が掃除をした would mean "The room cleaned him."

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:00:28 2018 No.18301512 >>18301388 ら is casual, たち is polite

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:06:21 2018 No.18301537 File: 520 KB, 640x360, DRY YOUR TEARS.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how do i get ankidroid to take the pre-made apkg's??

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:06:55 2018 No.18301540 >>18301277 The correct answer to this question is explained every single time it's posted here. Get over yourself.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:08:31 2018 No.18301543 >>18301345 No. Then it would be the subject of doing cleaning which is obviously wrong.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:15:07 2018 No.18301575

>>18300997
Not that anon but. Where a myth that you should lower time on anki as you progress in the language? I find anki even more useful now because any word that I study is exceptionally rare or just rare and otherwise I wouldn't remember it just by coming across it once in a two months or once or twice in my whole life. Would you? Also I'm planning on being a translator\japanese teacher so I have to know direct translations of words to my native language and nuances they may have.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:19:17 2018 No.18301598

>>18301575
If you're still learning new words that often then you need to be spending as much time consuming input as possible to learn idiomatic nuance and collocations. Anki might seem to become more important but that's just because you don't understand what it's not teaching you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:26:48 2018 No.18301637 File: 30 KB, 584x348, jj.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18301598 I'm learning new words often because I'm well.. see new words often. I read for 2-3 hours a day and 50-70 new words for that time is my habitual practice

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:32:15 2018 No.18301664 >>18301637 >19530 This is not what I signed up for. It's been a nice two years djt; I'll miss you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:36:16 2018 No.18301679 >>18301664 Did you think learning 6k would make you learn Japanese immediately or something? I'm pretty sure I've seen 20k as a benchmark being mentioned here several times before.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:36:50 2018 No.18301681 >>18300981 studying radicals isn't individual kanji study you moron.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:37:16 2018 No.18301682 >>18301664 If it has been 2 years, you should be at 20000 words as well. 30 words a day equals more than 10000 per year

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:39:53 2018 No.18301691 >>18301682 some people have other shit to do, buddy

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:40:15 2018 No.18301693 >>18301679 >6k No, I was thinking more like 12k in Anki and then pick up the rest by context. >>18301682 30 words/day. Sorry, I have to work 50 hours a week. I can't maintain that.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:43:31 2018 No.18301708 Hello DJT. I am looking through Tae Kim and this sentence caught my curiosity. 周りがうるさくて、彼が言っていることがあんまり聞こえなかった。 Can spoiler be replaced with の?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:44:33 2018 No.18301711 >>18301708 Strange. Spoiler was the second　が

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:44:56 2018 No.18301713 >>18301693 Just make it a habit and do it every day. If studying for 2 hours is too much then do it for 1 hour, etc. Language learning isn't a race, just know how to use the time that you have available efficiently. Don't quit now or you'll regret it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:47:06 2018 No.18301728 >>18301708 Shouldn't the last が be は if you keep the other がs? The second が could be replaced with の

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:52:12 2018 No.18301746

>>18301713
I was just playing around, I'm not going to drop it for that. Like you suggested, the key is to make it a habit and I'm already locked in.
>Listen to podcasts/drama cds in the morning as I get ready for work.
>Listen some more when I get home and prepare dinner.
>Eat dinner while watching a raw anime
>Do my reps and introduce more words
>Read a chapter of something and add unknown words to a notepad file
>Sleep
>Repeat
>On weekends, make flashcards for the unknown words and try to read a bunch. Also come shitpost on djt for my dose of social interaction.
Life is pretty good. Hopefully someday I'll find time to maybe make a friend.

ESL-kun Sun Jan 28 01:52:53 2018 No.18301750

Say, is there a guide like this but in Spanish? Or it is possible to learn from this one while being an ESL?

My own thoughts are in English, BROKEN English at that, so I'd rather try to learn in Spanish.

I already memorized the kana syllabary, and installed Anki.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:53:10 2018 No.18301751 >>18301682 Since when is 30 words a day the baseline? 20 always seemed to be the most common number.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:56:32 2018 No.18301766 >>18301751 Why wouldn't one do 30? Even at 70% retention 30 a day gets you more vocab in one year then 90% or even 95% at 20 per day. And like anon mentioned, in 2 years 30 a day is about 22k.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:56:43 2018 No.18301768

>>18301728

That isn't really how はworks. It isn't just a special が. Sometimes by marking the topic it implicitly also says "this is the subject" but it seems like you think は is used to mark the main subject of a sentence (ie not part of a dependent clause) but this isn't the case. You can throw as many が's into a sentence as you want without ever having a は. If this confuses you study the rules of relative clauses more.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:57:46 2018 No.18301773 >>18301768 >>18301728 sorry, "not part of dependent clause" should be "not part of relative clause"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:59:18 2018 No.18301778 >>18301766 >Why wouldn't one do 30? Because it takes time. I feel like 30 a day would turn into at least an hour of Anki each day.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:00:12 2018 No.18301786 File: 100 KB, 238x575, Dont think Feel.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18301768 I don't think any of that. I just felt like は would feel good there

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:01:07 2018 No.18301795 >>18301637 How often do you run into new words in things like animu or variety shows?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:03:25 2018 No.18301807 >>18301778 Time you'd have to spend either way if you intend to get to the same card count while doing 20.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:05:39 2018 No.18301815
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>>18301766

low retention rates stress me out and make anki not fun. I like to keep my retention rate at around 95% because I've noticed when my retention drops below that I start to feel bad about doing anki.

I operate on a principle of taking it ez, having fun, and aiming to NEVER burnout or want to quit. Slow and steady boys, slow and steady.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:06:33 2018 No.18301821 >>18301807 Time averaged over the years? Perhaps. The problem is that the hours in a day are limited and people need to balance work, study, and other things.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:09:43 2018 No.18301834

>>18301795
I don't watch anything in japanese so I can't answer. I think an usual visual novel (everyday life stuff, mostly dialogs) would have similar vocab so answer to this is certainly not much. New words I find there are usually slang\onomatopoeias. I would say I can read it without using a dictionary and make sense out of pretty much everything.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:10:28 2018 No.18301837

>>18301821
If I remember correctly, when I was doing 30 a day in core I'd have about 330 reviews per day and it would take me about 35 minutes, 40 max. Not an hour and I'm nothing special in the memory department. My computer crashed recently so I can't post any stats but you could easily just test yourself for a week or two and see how things go.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:12:05 2018 No.18301842 How to escape the mentality of translating things instead of reading them in their own context?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:14:09 2018 No.18301852 >>18301837 I have average around 200 reviews and it takes me half an hour. Damn Japanese definitions. Maybe I'll give 25 a shot once I pass my 16 hour exam that's coming up. >>18301842 Japanese definitions. ;)

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:16:09 2018 No.18301857 >>18301834 20k was originally my goal but I kind of slacked off once I hit 10k. I am a somewhat comfortable spot but feel like I need to learn a lot more to get where I want to

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:18:46 2018 No.18301865 >>18301728 こっちは「が」だようえーの掃除のは「の」だよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:19:04 2018 No.18301868 >>18301842 try rewording it into a different japanese sentence summarizing it in japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:19:36 2018 No.18301871 File: 21 KB, 515x210, 46346.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18301837 >when I was doing 30 a day in core I'd have about 330 reviews per day and it would take me about 35 minutes, 40 max some of us have the memory of a sieve tho

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:19:55 2018 No.18301872 Anki goals, huh. These days, I can hardly make myself add new words, and between my decks I've only got around 2k mature. No idea how you guys manage 30 cards per day and don't get discouraged by leeches.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:24:22 2018 No.18301886 >>18301857 Yeah, the more you learn the more you understand how much you should know. Even new kanjis after 4500 point are common.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:30:53 2018 No.18301905 こわい音が便所から鳴った

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:33:13 2018 No.18301914 >>18301905 ごめん。

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:34:44 2018 No.18301920 >>18301905 トイレに入った蛇だ。さよなら。

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:40:15 2018 No.18301945 File: 2 KB, 226x25, 1.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18301795 if you give me something to watch (~25 mins or less) I'll tell you what words I haven't learned

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:42:48 2018 No.18301955 File: 92 KB, 336x422, question.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Any tips for learning vocabulary? My memory is terrible.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:44:23 2018 No.18301963 >>18301955 I'll tell you if I ever find an efficient answer. I have like 60 leeches out of 3.5k total words.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:45:56 2018 No.18301967 >>18301955 ぎなにぎなに？

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:51:18 2018 No.18301981 >>18301955 Do push-ups and running every day, get a good sleep and eat healthy food.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:53:10 2018 No.18301986 >>18301955 Learn a language that is not japanese first, then you can use your knowledge to learn japanese. Chinese might be ideal

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:56:40 2018 No.18302000 >>18301986 I already learned english as my second language. It's easy because it's everywhere. I can't find japanese unless I actively seek it like in anime and games.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:56:43 2018 No.18302001 >>18301981 おなかすいたおだいこんたべたい

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:57:07 2018 No.18302005 >>18301955 Exercise more.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:57:47 2018 No.18302007

I'm a month into core2k and my retention is at 75% with all the default settings (20 new cards/day etc.) Rather than reduce cards, what settings should I change to translate spending more time studying into getting better retention? I figure it would be better if I was shown a new card 3 days in a row or shown review cards more frequently but if anyone has experience raising their retention I'd appreciate the advice.

>>18295879
>>18295898
Just wanted to comment on this in case anyone is in a similar situation but feels hopeless. After graduating with no internships or connections I spent about a year and a half being a piece of human garbage before poverty and self-loathing motivated me to work on personal projects and apply to jobs more seriously. After the first formal interview of my life I got the job. It's a big world, never give up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 02:57:51 2018 No.18302008 File: 176 KB, 494x468, 1506178936506.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18301967 ぎもん疑問问 = 問

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 03:01:33 2018 No.18302017 >>18302008 ＞问 = 問 getting real sick of your shit, japan

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 03:03:04 2018 No.18302024 How can I say "soft but firm"? I know how to say "soft and firm" but that doesn't seem right for obvious reasons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 03:03:04 2018 No.18302025 File: 42 KB, 493x575, 1512956191504.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18302017 中国語だけど

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 03:04:56 2018 No.18302031 >>18302024 use けど

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 03:05:14 2018 No.18302033 >>18302031 oh shit

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 03:05:18 2018 No.18302034 >>18302025 Japan is just China with cartoons.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 03:24:46 2018 No.18302094 >>18302008 そんなもじしらないよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 03:26:39 2018 No.18302104 >>18302094 簡体字だからな

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 03:45:59 2018 No.18302135 >>18302034 And with less communism

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 04:01:59 2018 No.18302177 what does it mean when a sentence ends in かと

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 04:03:16 2018 No.18302180 >>18302177 I guess question mark + citation.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 04:03:58 2018 No.18302182 >>18302177 もしかしたらお前は本当にできないかと・・・

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 04:29:50 2018 No.18302256
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Looking to import and read all 39 volumes of Maria-sama ga Miteru. Can anyone here familiar with Marimite give me a heads-up on how difficult the Japanese will be in those LNs? Never took a JLPT, but I'd guess my Jap level is somewhere in the N3-ish level. Is that manageable enough? With a dictionary, of course.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 05:09:50 2018 No.18302342 What's the best way to improve my verbal vocabulary? I can memorize kanji easily but I have difficulty remembering how they are pronounced >>18295898 >the current state of the global labour market lol I love my life of poverty

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 05:12:01 2018 No.18302344

>>18302256
It's in the COR. Why don't you just look yourself?

I read the first page and it looks like normal japanese, which means you're going to struggle (but doesn't mean you shouldn't try)

though don't be an idiot and buy an entire series without seeing if you like at first

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 05:15:25 2018 No.18302350 >>18299679 same but unironically

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 05:18:56 2018 No.18302363 >>18301886 >Even new kanjis after 4500 point are common. Yeah no. 3500 maybe. At 4500 you don't see new kanji unless you're reading some really difficult shit or actively looking for them.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 05:19:32 2018 No.18302365
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>>18302344
Ah, right, forgot to look in the 小説 section of the COR. Thanks for reminding.

>though don't be an idiot and buy an entire series without seeing if you like at first
Well I've already finished watching all 4 seasons of the anime a long time and it's still in my top 5 of all time, I'm pretty sure I'll end up liking the LNs. Too bad the final 10 or so volumes aren't adapted into anime, but at least that gives me motivation to study and read, right?

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 05:25:56 2018 No.18302378

>>18302342
If you're talking about individual readings of kanji, I think generally people don't memorise their readings in isolated study unless it's the easy ones like 剣, 検, 険, etc. To memorise pronunciations of kanji compounds, I find reading out loud helps. Don't just read materials like manga silently. And for particularly difficult sentences with tons of words you don't remember orally, maybe you can collate them into a document and later record yourself reading them all repeatedly. That's what I've done, it's my go to audio choice when commuting in the train.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 05:28:31 2018 No.18302384 >>18302104 そんなもじしらないってなにそれにほんごでいって

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 06:12:16 2018 No.18302518 >康 Why is this allowed? Why is this a jōyō kanji? It's pretty much only used in calendars for the rule of an emperor that lasted one year in 1361 or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 06:22:24 2018 No.18302563 >>18302518 健康 it's also common in names

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 06:30:50 2018 No.18302590 >Learned 150 kanji in one day oh boy I can't wait for that shit retention

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 06:32:23 2018 No.18302598 >これが面白いなかったら何面白いんだよ！ The syntax of this sentence is confusing me, would it be something like "This is interesting, how is it not interesting!"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 06:40:07 2018 No.18302617 >>18302598 1. check if you transcribed it correctly 2. look up ～たら in a grammar guide and try again

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 06:43:56 2018 No.18302627 >>18302182 かとしたら、お前はパンダかもしれないなんでここに

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 06:45:40 2018 No.18302632 >>18302627 パンダはシットポストするの好きって知ってなかった？毎日シットポストしないと体調が崩れる

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 06:59:20 2018 No.18302656 File: 26 KB, 300x300, yuanzi_300x300.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18302632 やっぱりずっと怪しいやつと思った

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:04:54 2018 No.18302665 >>18302007 tfw i'm a month in and only have 65% retention

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:06:31 2018 No.18302671 I've been putting of grammar for way too long. Is Tae-kim still the go-to resource? The iOS app no longer works since it isn't maintained.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:10:51 2018 No.18302680

>>18302617
Weird, I checked it and it's transcribed correctly. It's from a conversation though and not a published piece so there might be some accidents/autocorrect problems there. I think I understand the role of なかったら in this, but if anything's confusing me in this then it's actually 何.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:12:47 2018 No.18302689 >>18302671 Use sakubi and plow through grammar in a week or two. There's no such thing as a perfect beginner's guide, so you might as well read the most concise one.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:15:02 2018 No.18302695 >>18302689 >Use sakubi its shit though

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:25:51 2018 No.18302736 Can someone advise me on a good flashcard app for iOS? Paid or free, whatever

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:28:27 2018 No.18302746 >>18302736 Read the guide before asking questions

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:29:24 2018 No.18302749 >>18302695 No matter what guide I had written there, you'd have given the same epic meme greentext response.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:29:26 2018 No.18302750 >>18302736 The technology isn't there yet

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 07:31:46 2018 No.18302760 >>18302749 No, just that one and maggie sensei, if only for her poor organization

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 09:40:49 2018 No.18303202 File: 221 KB, 900x900, 1512376026098.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Reminder that you should learn as much from your grammar guide in as little time as possible then move on to reading.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 10:24:59 2018 No.18303332 I can't find anything about it so I'll ask it here: Person A: ＡＬＳなのか？ Person B: どういう病気か知ってるんですか？ Person A: イタリアのサッカー選手でいたから｡ Can someone explain the でいた (でいる) part to me and how you use it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 10:36:41 2018 No.18303366 >>18303332 で　いた（いる） maybe

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 10:43:14 2018 No.18303393 >>18303366 Yes, I've figured that much out but I don't know why it's used here

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 10:43:25 2018 No.18303394 >>18303332 イタリアのサッカー選手で(その病気の人が)いたから

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 10:44:30 2018 No.18303397 >>18302598 >これが面白くなかったら何が面白いんだよ！

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 10:50:09 2018 No.18303423 >>18303394 Sorry, but I still can't figure out why the で is used here

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 10:50:14 2018 No.18303424 >>18301637 Post your kanji grid.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 10:50:30 2018 No.18303425 File: 113 KB, 532x143, 9jOXbzd.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18303393

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 11:01:27 2018 No.18303453 File: 200 KB, 1280x720, puh.webm [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18302017 >getting real sick of your shit, japan ごめん

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 11:11:10 2018 No.18303500 https://neodjt.neocities.org/justfaq.html

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:13:52 2018 No.18303700 >>18303500 Fuck off.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:14:15 2018 No.18303701 >>18303700 First IP from this post.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:15:00 2018 No.18303703 >>18303700 You never post here but to argue about beginner shit. Why do you keep coming here?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:16:10 2018 No.18303704 >>18303701 Point being? >>18303703 Stop projecting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:16:43 2018 No.18303706 >>18303704 You're projecting.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:28:22 2018 No.18303740 >>18303704 in his mind there are only a few people who hate his shit, so you must be someone who we had argued with before

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:29:06 2018 No.18303745 >>18303740 Who's "he"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:30:37 2018 No.18303750 >>18303740 First post from this IP.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:31:44 2018 No.18303754 >>18303745 hint: the name consists of six letters

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:32:06 2018 No.18303756 >>18303754 Sakura?

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 12:45:43 2018 No.18303805

>>18302590
I had done 50 once but that was rather experiment than practical usability since I already knew a lot by that point. I only started failing some of them in about 20 days, so I guess learning solely kanjis is the same as learning usual words for me. But anyway, 150 is too many for my tastes.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 13:05:32 2018 No.18303892 >>18303754 Peter Barakan

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 13:32:15 2018 No.18304008 >>18302680 >If this isn't funny, then tell me what is! D-d-did I pass?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 13:40:13 2018 No.18304044 日本女性って驚きほど可愛いだね現実とはイメージが比べれない

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 13:43:47 2018 No.18304059 >>18304044 If you're going to shitpost with off topic garbage, would you mind not doing it in 片言?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 13:48:25 2018 No.18304073 File: 121 KB, 1280x720, 1501655430220.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18304059 と英語で話してる人

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 13:53:00 2018 No.18304093 Does anyone here use any of these for movies? >Perfect Dark/Winny/Share I wanted to download some movies w/ Japanese dub and I'm trying to figure out how to do it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 13:55:59 2018 No.18304104 >>18304073 片言より英語のほうがいいと思ういます

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 13:59:00 2018 No.18304112 >>18304093 Perfect Dark works pretty well for me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:03:26 2018 No.18304124 >>18304104 でも日本語はもっと楽しいよ片言とネイティブとは関係ないと思う。分からないわけではないし

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:05:21 2018 No.18304134 >>18304124 Don't care, this isn't the thread for it. >>>/int/84905010

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:06:16 2018 No.18304138 >>18304112 So having set up Perfect Dark is it easy to just get any Western movie with Jap dub? Did you use any particular guide to set it up?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:07:16 2018 No.18304143 File: 660 KB, 785x980, 1506073338896.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18304134 >Daily Japanese Thread >this isn't the thread for it.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:10:13 2018 No.18304153

>>18304138
You'll need to download some 20GB (I forget the exact amount) of cache before you can actually download. It's pretty simple to set up, you probably won't need a guide. All you need to do is google for a nodelist and add it. Possibly open a port too.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:11:28 2018 No.18304160 >>18304153 I see thanks. If I intend to look for some American dubbed films from 70s-90s should I even bother?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:11:40 2018 No.18304162 >>18302689 Guy you replied to here, never heard of Sakubi before, will give it a shot. Any other guides I should be familiar with in case this one doesn't work out for me?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:11:54 2018 No.18304163 File: 136 KB, 429x518, 1512980660909.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18304134 もてる人だね名無しくん

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:13:12 2018 No.18304165 >>18304160 I have never searched for something like that. I used it mostly to get DLSite stuff and Japanese dubs for american series. You got anything specific you're looking after? I could check if it is available for you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:16:09 2018 No.18304176 >>18304165 エクソシスト死霊のはらわたフレンズ Off the top of my head. Thanks!

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:17:12 2018 No.18304179 >>18304162 Sakubi ends with a list of recommendations for other resources if it doesn't work for you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:19:09 2018 No.18304183 >>18304179 Thanks, that's thoughtful. I'll get right on to it.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:23:10 2018 No.18304196 >>18304176 >エクソシスト Yep. 1, 2 and 3. >フレンズ A billion Kemono Friends results and some of the TV show, but not the movie. I might be overlooking something as some files aren't propely tagged. >死霊のはらわた Both the 2013 and the original.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:26:18 2018 No.18304205 >>18304196 holy shit, do they have any seeds? I guess I'll try it out then, thanks again for your time!

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:29:53 2018 No.18304211
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>>18304205
Perfect Dark doesn't really have 'seeds' per se. You have to download random files from other users to build up Unity which is sort of a cache. On the search panel you can see how many users have that specific file. You are pretty much guaranteed to always be able to download a Perfect Dark file, though the speeds can be very slow.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:31:11 2018 No.18304213 >>18304211 Also, the number under "count" is in some way related to its availability. Don't know if it's intentional downloads or dispersion of the file across the network, but still.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:32:56 2018 No.18304223 >>18304213 As far as I know, it is how many users have that file on their Unity. I could be wrong, though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:33:01 2018 No.18304224 >>18304205 japanese dubbed stuff is pretty fun for a while, but you'll also notice how they totally butcher the content to make it work sometimes

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:42:34 2018 No.18304267

I'm reading suki suki and in one part the mc asks the 幼馴染「お前って、一人でする時、
中派、外派」
I know it's something sexual but I can figure out what he's trying to ask here. 「一人でする時」probably refers to masturbation but the two options he gives ,(中派 and 外派 ) her aren't in any dictionary.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:43:54 2018 No.18304274
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REEE how do I even start learning after hiragana and katakana? I've been learning kanji radicals on kanjidamage which is easy enough so far...
But the anki core2k/6k deck is so painful, I feel like I can't remember anything. It's making me feel like a brainlet. Help please.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:45:03 2018 No.18304277 >>18304211 I cannot set right port for forwarding, is it just a matter of picking right number or do I actually have to fiddle around with router options? I didn't do any of that for my regular torrent client to work properly, so I'm confused

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:46:06 2018 No.18304282 >>18304274 RTK vol. 1

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:46:15 2018 No.18304283 >>18304274 Do RTK or some other program to study kanji./djt/ will tell you not to but I honestly don't believe it's possible to learn japanese without first putting effort into kanji study

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:48:22 2018 No.18304295 >>18304267 my guess would be it's about whether she inserts her fingers or not

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:49:16 2018 No.18304299 >>18304283 im learning just fine i did kanji writing tests too though for like 3 months, but thats it

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:51:02 2018 No.18304306

>>18304277
Most torrent clients and routers these days support Plug and Play - as in, they create a temporary port forwarding option in your router.
You will probably have to forward a port, though you may also tell Perfect Dark to use the port your torrent client uses then close the torrent client.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:51:12 2018 No.18304308 >>18304283 >>18304282 kanji is what I'm fine with learning as I find chinaman moonrunes interesting anyway, it's general vocabulary that I'm struggling with

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:51:45 2018 No.18304309

>>18304267
派 is a group. Here's a concrete example. If you prefer cats over dogs, you can call yourself 猫派, if you like dogs best you are 犬派. Another example would たけのこの里 and きのこの山. It's a kind of candy, with two main varieties, and for some reason people like to argue about which is best. If you like きのこ more, you call yourself きのこ派, and if you like たけのこ more you are たけのこ派.

So in this case the two options are 中 and 外. Use your imagination as to what they mean here. The meaning would really depend on if he's asking a girl or a guy, I guess.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:52:38 2018 No.18304311

>>18304267
"when you do it alone, are you part of the inside or outside group/faction/club" i dont know what context 派 means outside what rikai says so it might mean something more colloquially. ive seen it used as a joke on twitter trends tho for "faction" like "ass or tit faction"

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:52:53 2018 No.18304316 >>18304308 >it's general vocabulary that I'm struggling with I find that listening helps me remember words.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:55:06 2018 No.18304325 >>18304277 Torrenting will still work even if nobody can connect to you, as long as you can connect out to them. It may be less efficient that way, but if there are a lot of seeds you won't even notice.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:55:23 2018 No.18304327 >元々の具合が良すぎるせいか、とにかく、軽く前後に一往復させるだけで、腰の奥がむずがゆくなる。この具合とは「今日は感じやすいだな」ってことを説明してんだろうか？もしくは彼女と相性が良すぎることを指してるかなとも思うけど、前者の解釈の方がもっと正しそうんです

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:56:46 2018 No.18304336 File: 55 KB, 575x220, ga.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18301319 >>18301365 Why don't these sentences mean "Sports car wants" and "Spanish understands"?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 14:59:09 2018 No.18304347 >>18304336 Because that's how the verbs 分かる and 欲しい work. They literally mean 'to have the property of being understandable' and 'to be desirable'.　掃除(する）does not meant 'to have the property of being clean'

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:02:10 2018 No.18304364

>>18304336
欲しい is an adjective and if you take it literally would mean "is wanted." It's just like how you use 好き. 私は車が好き, I like cars. But literally, "as for me, cars are liked." 分かる is also used that way, with the thing being understood as the subject with が. These are idiosyncracies that you just have to learn.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:02:55 2018 No.18304370

>>18304336
Also using を with experiential intransitive verbs/adjectives puts the marked noun "inside" the verb/adjective before making a statement with it.

So リンゴを食べたい means "something has the status of want-to-eat-apples" and リンゴが食べたい means "apples have the status of want-to-eat".

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:23:01 2018 No.18304446 Anyone feel like you learn more Japanese when you're not studying it than when you are? Like somehow it seems like every time I take a few months off and then a page of japanese pops up and I recognize every damn word like woah

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:23:43 2018 No.18304451 >>18304347 >>18304364 >>18304370 Is there anyway to identify these special kinds of verbs that allow you to use が like an direct object marker?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:25:04 2018 No.18304456 >>18304446 i want to say so but im always reading runes on twitter so somethings certainly being reinforced without thinking about it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:25:55 2018 No.18304460 >>18304451 They're not. They're using it as a subject marker.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:26:43 2018 No.18304464 >>18304451 >The light turns on. >Someone turns on the light. Is there any way to identify these special kinds of verbs that allow you to put direct objects before the verb instead of after/inside it?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:27:48 2018 No.18304467 File: 994 KB, 849x1200, 433465.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18294874 My first attempt at translating. How much do I suck?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:31:26 2018 No.18304484 >>18304467 source pls

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:33:56 2018 No.18304499 >>18304464 How are those two comparable to what I'm asking?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:33:57 2018 No.18304498 >>18304467 >男の娘 >man-daughter Please give up translating for at least the next twelve months. You don't know anywhere near enough Japanese to translate anything.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:34:39 2018 No.18304504 >>18304499 >それが分かる >（私は）それを分かる

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:36:18 2018 No.18304513 >>18304467 >How much do I suck? very much if we're honest here

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:40:24 2018 No.18304525

>>18304451
Just practice.

There's actually nothing special about them, it's just a difference in the way Japanese and English work. In English we have a verb "to like" but in Japanese they use an adjective which means "liked." In English we use a verb "to understand" but in Japanese they have a verb that means "to be understandable."

So really in Japanese the が is marking the subject, rather than the object. We have an adjective in English "beloved" that might make it clearer. In English we might say "Cars(subject) are beloved(adjective)." That is how 好き is used in Japanese, and that's why you use が.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:46:47 2018 No.18304557 >>18304370 So basically if が is used with transitive verbs like たべる or 掃除する it means the subject is doing said verb but if it's with intransitive verbs like 分かる it means the topic is doing the verb?

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 15:50:15 2018 No.18304577

>>18304557
>So basically if が is used with transitive verbs like たべる or 掃除する it means the subject is doing said verb
Yes, you can assume that, for a loose definition of "doing".

>but if it's with intransitive verbs like 分かる it means the topic is doing the verb?
No, not all intransitive verbs represent actions, and many represent actions that aren't "done" by anyone, or are "done" by the subject always.

Transitive and intransitive are qualities, not categories. Not all transitive verbs are like other transitive verbs, and not all intransitive verbs are like other intransitive verbs.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 16:31:32 2018 No.18304743 Which one is more feminine between あたし and うち?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 16:37:24 2018 No.18304768 >云々 >うんぬん This sounds retarded as fuck if you ask me.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:11:34 2018 No.18304915 >>18304467 awful

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:19:39 2018 No.18304963 File: 16 KB, 236x446, 1f96f15bbd959687314002356f517b52.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18304467 I think if someone where to just guess what they were saying it would be closer

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:21:21 2018 No.18304973 >>18304963 Cute image.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:21:51 2018 No.18304979
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Listening to a fairly fast-talking japanese let's player and being able to follow along (with great difficulty and occasional replaying) is pretty fun.
He's also playing a game I like so that's a bonus.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:22:38 2018 No.18304983 >>18304979 Link? I do the same thing but don't have anything to watch right now.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:22:58 2018 No.18304986 >>18304963 Why are her hands so short? She can't even link her hands above her head

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:26:26 2018 No.18305013 >>18304983 His name is BIGBOY on youtube and I'm watching his STALKER SoC playthrough. You can find him easily. He's fast talking to my borderline retarded, barely N4-self, so it might not be much for you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:28:21 2018 No.18305031 >>18305013 If this is merely fast for you, rather than incomprehensible, you're probably somewhere above N4.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:33:47 2018 No.18305071

How do you look up what an individual kana means? Like I've seen people say か stands for strength, but trying to look up just 1 character in dictionaries usually just leads to words they are a part of. The sign that made me ask this says "ねろん" and I don't get what it's supposed to mean.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:35:19 2018 No.18305078 >>18305031 T-thanks. As I said, I rewind sometimes to have another listen if I don't understand it, which is not uncommon.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:35:32 2018 No.18305082 >>18305071 >Like I've seen people say か stands for strength Someone is confusing か, カ, and 力. Individual kana don't mean anything at all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:37:13 2018 No.18305093 >>18304979 >>18305013 Just listened for a bit. He's talking at a pretty normal pace and he articulates himself very clearly. For someone at your level it's pretty good practice, keep it up.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:41:00 2018 No.18305115 >>18305082 >Individual kana don't mean anything at all. 何？

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:42:14 2018 No.18305123 >>18305082 >>18305115 >kana >か >蚊 Ok... I'll assume you meant written in kana or something.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:42:35 2018 No.18305124
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brain please stop giving me the chinese version of the kanji when I'm trying to learn kanji.

i thought being native chink would make this easier but all of my kanji is muddled with chinese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:44:46 2018 No.18305138 >>18305082 I still don't get what the sign is supposed to mean then.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:50:12 2018 No.18305171 >>18302177 someone asked this a few days ago and と is usually emphasis in speeches

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 17:57:11 2018 No.18305216 >>18305138 Where did you see the sign? Give us some context.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:03:24 2018 No.18305251 File: 202 KB, 960x720, [grimf] Ranma - 117 (720p).mkv00001.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18305216

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:07:34 2018 No.18305275 >>18305251 Learn to read hiragana. https://hinative.com/ja/questions/205154

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:19:29 2018 No.18305352 >>18305275 How would you know to read it backwards?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:26:27 2018 No.18305382 >>18305352 I didn't, I just searched for はろい and found the answer, but you read it as ねろん so I told you to learn hiragana.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:29:53 2018 No.18305394 >>18305382 I get fucked up by fonts, I figured it was は at first but didn't see why it would be connected. Thanks.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:42:16 2018 No.18305446 >>18305394 It's not fonts it's storke order. That's just how you handwrite hiragana with a brush.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:43:08 2018 No.18305451 >>18304044 かおのこと？たいかくのこと？むねのことだったらさす

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:45:54 2018 No.18305472 >>18305382 「いろは」ってかいてあるじゃんおにいちゃんなにいってるの

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:51:40 2018 No.18305504 >>18305472 ちゃんとえいごべんきょうしてる？じょうたつしてないきが・・・

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:00:31 2018 No.18305548 >長い睫に彩られた瞳を向ける does that mean her eyes are colored, or that she applies make up on her eyes ?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:02:50 2018 No.18305561 >>18305504 Ｉ　ａｎ　ｓｔｕｄｙｉｎｇ　ｅｎｇｒｉｓｈ。

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:05:16 2018 No.18305573 >>18305548 Eyes decorated by long eyelashes

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:13:05 2018 No.18305625 >追随 The pre-supplied voice on Anki pronounces this ついずき. Is it an error? Alternate pronunciation?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:19:58 2018 No.18305663 >>18305573 that makes sense

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:21:30 2018 No.18305672 File: 193 KB, 1182x639, japan jlpt.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Remember anons, the JLPT is useful and increases your ability to move to Japan by 21.5%

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:21:34 2018 No.18305674 Does anyone have experience with the AwesomeTTS add-on for Anki? Can you recommend me a voice? I've been toying with the idea of adding TTS on my cards with no native audio.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:25:08 2018 No.18305689 >>18305672 >tfw losing 5 points this year due to age Not that I would have enough points in the first place

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:26:13 2018 No.18305695 >>18305689 Are you a wizard?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:27:05 2018 No.18305698 >>18305695 Soon

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:33:42 2018 No.18305730 >>18305674 If you are going for single words, try forvo.com instead. They have a large amount of vocab coverage by natives.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:38:29 2018 No.18305748 >>18305674 don't use robot voice, they dont have the right pitch accent, you can add forvo to AwesomeTTS but you need to edit the script

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:39:04 2018 No.18305751

>>18305698
>>18305689
it's never too late to go to school

the only way to start your japanese journey is to either
A.) get your bachelor's degree
or
B.) have money

given this is /jp/ im going to rule out /B/ for you. don't you think its time to go back to school?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:44:42 2018 No.18305778 >>18305751 I'll go to Japan when I'm like 50 and after the 90 days of legal stay I'll play hide and seek with the Japanese police. Sounds more fun than moving there

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:44:47 2018 No.18305779 >>18305751 Are you currently living in Japan?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:45:25 2018 No.18305785 File: 65 KB, 707x483, 1515910133189.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18305672 But is there any real reason to move Japan?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:45:53 2018 No.18305786 >>18305748 >>18305730 Thanks!

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:47:25 2018 No.18305793

>>18305748
It's much better to manually select recordings opposed to manually trying to fetch them with a script. Not all uploads are quality and personal preference exists between multiple options for the same word.
Lazily using a script was the reason behind the Core deck having garbage images, so I guess programming types don't really get the whole problem of quality and context.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:50:21 2018 No.18305803
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>>18305785
>But is there any real reason to move Japan?

How do you define "real reason". Are you trying to define it as "reason you agree with"?

It's conservative paradise. Good women. Unique/alien culture. There's lots to like, and it produces very bizarre content, which i'm guessing you noticed with your Ai picture.

>>18305779
そろそろ! I'm getting close to my bachelor's degree, and basically have my next 5 years planned out. I'm moving to a university in Kyushu as a university student where i'll branch off from there. I've spent almost 3 years researching immigration to Japan and know pretty much all the hoops you have to jump through by now, so i think i have a pretty decent shot.

Monbukasho, here I come.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:51:00 2018 No.18305807

>>18305751
I did that this last summer, it was the best possible choice to get that high school degree equivalent in just a year and access to university I will attend to this year. Being the in average oldest in class really shows that people in early 20s have no discipline and work ethic

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:52:02 2018 No.18305811 >>18305785 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LHFu7rYFEA&list=PLRAZn_kDxQdfbJqyamCDa_GOgLzbeMkvv&index=13

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:54:40 2018 No.18305822 >>18305803 >How do you define "real reason". Any reason that will justify being there 20 years down the line when our weeb phases and enchantment of Japan have long since passed

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 19:57:16 2018 No.18305834
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>>18305822
>Any reason that will justify being there 20 years down the line when our weeb phases and enchantment of Japan have long since passed

For me, it's the ability to fulfill my dreams.
I won't regret the present me, and the ability to chase my dreams is what will get my happiness.

I know that eventually after moving to Japan you get "used" to the country and the magic is supposed to disappear, but I will have found a society I care about, and i'll be satisfied knowing I had a dream and was able to reach it.

That alone is a good reason to me. I don't know about you.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:00:26 2018 No.18305848 Classical cellist in uni here. Should I be humoring the thought of auditioning for orchestras in Japan?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:03:48 2018 No.18305864 >>18305848 From what I heard orchestras are a pain in the ass to get into as it is. Unless you are some god-tier cellist I doubt any orchestra would bother importing a cellist.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:05:31 2018 No.18305879 >>18305834 If you have any tl;dr links related to immigration, I would appreciate them. From my own research it came down to get a degree or international company that sends you there for limited time

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:06:55 2018 No.18305886

>>18305803
>I'm moving to a university in Kyushu as a university student where i'll branch off from there.
I would be extremely interested to learn how this turns out. Are you starting this April? I hope you will tell us about your experience. Or if not here then maybe make a blog or something.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:17:44 2018 No.18305932 So japs won't say 四（し）because it sounds like "death", but the onyomi for 子 is し and apparently they don't care?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:18:51 2018 No.18305938 >>18305932 し↓とし→ではつおんがちがうよ

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:20:09 2018 No.18305944 >>18305625 Sounds like an error. ついずき isn't even in the dictionary.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:35:29 2018 No.18305997

>>18305864
Well, that's generally true for orchestras regardless.
Looking into some of them, the top orchestras do have English audition info on their websites, but I only seem to find foreigners outside of the string section, the string sections seem uniquely homogenous. I wonder what that's about.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:38:08 2018 No.18306007 >>18305938 ちがくねーよ嘘つくな

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:38:38 2018 No.18306009 >>18305785 Not for the people that belong in this thread, no

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:40:11 2018 No.18306014 >>18306009 yup. this is why the int /djt/ is superior. they actually have a future

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:41:13 2018 No.18306023

>>18305886
>I would be extremely interested to learn how this turns out. Are you starting this April? I hope you will tell us about your experience. Or if not here then maybe make a blog or something.

I'm interested. I'll think about it anon. I'm closer to my bachelor's degree, but not close enough to where I can think about starting a blog. Hopefully we cross paths once again

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:42:10 2018 No.18306026 >>18306014 You seem unable to stay there though. Let me guess, you're trying to 'save' us

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:45:49 2018 No.18306037 >>18306023 Oh, I see. I think I misunderstood a bit. Anyway, good luck. またね

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:48:11 2018 No.18306046 >>18306007 こ→

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:50:14 2018 No.18306061 File: 11 KB, 275x183, index.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18306037 いいえいいえ。大丈夫だった。私は、２０２０年に初めての日本がある。

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:52:56 2018 No.18306073 >>18306061 頑張ってください

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 20:58:33 2018 No.18306094 >>18305124 Fix your phone anon. Look up android kanji fix or something similar on Google. Or switch your phone to Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:04:18 2018 No.18306118 >>18306094 I think he's just talking about himself when you read a something in that exists in both languages it's really easy to produce the wrong reading if you're not paying attention

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:06:41 2018 No.18306132 >>18306118 It must be hard to keep things straight when there's words like 約束 that mean different things in Japanese and Chinese despite being written the same way.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:06:41 2018 No.18306133 >>18306061 まってるよいきてられたらいいな

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:09:40 2018 No.18306146 >>18305672 so you need N1 to get points? crap i was hoping just N2 would be fine

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:09:45 2018 No.18306147 >>18306061 Well, atleast you still got 2 years to fix that Japanese

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:11:37 2018 No.18306154 >>18306146 N2 for scholarships and resumes, N1 for residency

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:13:16 2018 No.18306164 >>18305672 What's "another equivalent test"? (or what does Note 2 say) I'm not interested in JLPT but I kind of want to take kanken

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:21:21 2018 No.18306193 >>18306133 病気？

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:34:07 2018 No.18306221

>>18306164
>What's "another equivalent test"? (or what does Note 2 say)

http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/newimmiact_3/en/pdf/point_calculation_forms.pdf

give this a read
go down to note 2

this is why i always tell people 'getting your master's degree in japan is a smart move'

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:35:10 2018 No.18306226 >>18306164 the alternative is the BJT (Business Japanese Test). if you're not a business major, don't bother

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 21:56:35 2018 No.18306290

>>18306221
>>18306226
Thanks. It says "e.g." though which means there must be others they accept.

Kanken is very narrow compared to JLPT but would they honestly reject 2級? If they accept kanken then I'm curious where the cutoff point is; I equally doubt they'd accept some 7級 horseshit

but I guess you'd have to apply to find out

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:05:45 2018 No.18306330

>>18305785
Is there a real reason to move anywhere?

I think Japan is really pretty and has a nice atmosphere to it, I wouldn't want to work there but once I've got enough money socked away that I don't need to worry about shit for a while I think it'd be great to live there for a while, even if they do have those giant centipedes and asian death hornets to contend with.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:15:22 2018 No.18306358

>>18306146
>>18306164
http://www.immi-moj.go.jp/newimmiact_3/pdf/h29_06_nihongo-nouryoku.pdf
N1 or BJT >480 -> 15 points
N2 or BJT >400 -> 10 points
No others are specified. So I wouldn't count on getting any credit for kanken. By the way the BJT homepage listed is on the kanken website.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:20:38 2018 No.18306381 >>18305625 it's you mishearing it

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:22:49 2018 No.18306389 >>18306358 Fuck. Guess they gotta keep the Chinese out somehow.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:32:47 2018 No.18306425

>>18306381
I don't think so -- I hear it too.
Do you have yomichan, rikaisama, or one of the other plugins installed that uses audio from JapanesePod101? I'm using yomichan and double checked it on wwwjdic and it really does sound like ついずき.
Check it out on wwwdic if you don't have the plugins.
http://nihongo.monash.edu/cgi-bin/wwwjdic?1C
>追随

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:37:36 2018 No.18306441 >>18297164 Listening with Japanese subtitles does improve your listening, because I've done almost all my listening with Japanese subtitles and my listening has improved, even when listening without subtitles.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:37:58 2018 No.18306442 >>18306425 lol what the fuck maybe I'll eat my words but I don't think the speaker is very good at kanji

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:38:43 2018 No.18306448

>>18306094
>>18306118
>>18306132

Yeah I'm talking about the fact that I recognize most kanji by chinese first.

Funny thing tho:勉强 means reluctant in chinese while it means to study in japanese.

Quite an interesting pair that really eats away the motivation

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:41:15 2018 No.18306455 >>18306448 >强 >強 That's pretty wild. Is 強 also a hanzai too or do you just use 强 mostly?

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 22:49:15 2018 No.18306477

>>18306455
both are used and have same meaning, mainland uses 强 more often while 強 is used in places occupied by other countries before like hongkong, macau, and taiwan.

i guess i tend to write the wrong version due to knowing chinese like i just did. old habits die hard

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:01:38 2018 No.18306507
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>~(よ)うとしている
>~という変化が起こる少し前だ・もうすぐ~する。
Do the ていた mean he's talking about the past as in "two weeks were about to pass" or do they represent that the passing has already occurred as in "2 weeks had just passed"? I feel like it's the former and the latter would be expressed with something like ところだ or whatever but I'm not sure.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:08:31 2018 No.18306529 New learner here I get why kanji is used in general but I'm confused as to why you would ever use kanji characters for single syllables.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:16:08 2018 No.18306549 >>18306507 former >>18306529 sounds like you still have a misconception, kanji isn't used to make things shorter

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:16:37 2018 No.18306551 >>18306529 http://www.guidetojapanese.org/grammar_guide.pdf this can be found from the OP link, it explains it quite well on 2.5.3 quick run down would be cases like きく＝聞く＝聴く

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:17:35 2018 No.18306557 >>18306549 >former Thank you. Just for clarification, can it even represent the latter?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:20:45 2018 No.18306565 >>18306557 I don't understand how it could based on the definition you provided

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:24:19 2018 No.18306572 >>18306565 It couldn't but I thought maybe there was a chance it was some other set expression I didn't know about. Like how 来ている is not "coming" but "came and is here". I thought it might've been a technicality with いる・いた. Thanks again though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:29:30 2018 No.18306590 >>18306193 あたしはこのせかいをあいしています

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:34:45 2018 No.18306603

How many hours a day should I devote into practicing japanese?
I started learning 2k/6k anki ~10 days ago, it takes around 1 hour each day to go through the daily schedule.
I think it's too early to start reading for real right now, but I plan to start within the next month, Just don't want to burn myself out.

Also, do I really -need- to read grammar guides? I never bothered with grammar and yet I think I learned english quite ok, although I know japanese is a whole different beast

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:38:07 2018 No.18306617

>>18306603
Skim TaeKim or whatever to get a feel for what you're in for and then reference back to the grammar guides when you're reading and something doesn't make sense or you're not sure.
If you really are just starting, I would recommend you grab the JPod101 lessons for the CoR and listen to them while you're doing chores/cooking/other mindless tasks.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:38:44 2018 No.18306620

>>18306603
>How many hours a day should I devote into practicing japanese?
minimum 2 hours, unless you want it to take more than 5 years
that being said, at some point it becomes fun and less tiring, since you're just enjoying the content
>I think it's too early to start reading for real right now, but I plan to start within the next month
sooner the better
>Also, do I really -need- to read grammar guides?
Read though it once, to get a reference, then refer back to it while reading. And yes, they are necessary if you want to be able to read.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:44:54 2018 No.18306640

>>18306617
>>18306620
I guess I'll force myself to read through tae kim this weekend then.
Thanks for the suggestions.
I tried learning japanese a few years ago but gave up because I couldn't keep myself motivated, But I guess this general is motivational enough for me, So hopefully I'll stick around

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:54:30 2018 No.18306668

>>18306640
The key is to find things you can enjoy without understanding because you will rapidly get tired of all this japanese shit if you dont enjoy it. Physical comedy is great, eroge are great, games are great, especially ones youve played before. If you use steam a lot of big games have japanese language options, witcher 3, skyrim, assassins creed series, etc. etc.

Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:58:43 2018 No.18306682

>>18306441
I'm not gonna disagree with you, but I reckon your listening would improve faster if you didn't use Japanese subs. From a common sense point of view, if you don't use subtitles you're focusing more of your attention on listening, rather than splitting it between both listening and reading subtitles. If you want to practise something you're better off focusing your attention on that one thing, rather than splitting it between 2+ things.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 23:59:48 2018 No.18306686 Anyone have any good nip lets play recommendations?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:02:00 2018 No.18306692 >>18306686 牛沢

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:02:05 2018 No.18306693 File: 479 KB, 600x665, 1b2.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18306686 >Nip play

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:21:04 2018 No.18306719 File: 316 KB, 587x431, 7867547657.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18306693

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:22:46 2018 No.18306725 File: 34 KB, 200x284, 978-4-04-893640-8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18306719

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:28:54 2018 No.18306734

>>18306686
Seconding this >>18306692, super clear voice and low average speaking speed, perfect for learning. He also seems pretty smart and isn't terrible at games like other popular ones

This is the series that made him popular:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Axq351c5s4

If you want to challenge yourself, watch 幕末志士, they're really and consistently funny but two people speaking fast and over each other isn't beginner friendly (although they're definitely among the easier group LPs to listen to since their voices and personalities are so distinct)

This is one of the only long series they did:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ETsTdyl1U

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:38:58 2018 No.18306753 How many words do you know, and how long did it take you to learn them? Also, how much Kanji do you know, and how long did it take you to learn those?

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:41:06 2018 No.18306759

>>18306753
>How many words do you know, and how long did it take you to learn them?
about 8600 matures and gaining, thank fuck
5300 young + learn
bit over 2 years
>Also, how much Kanji do you know, and how long did it take you to learn those?
don't know, don't care

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:44:34 2018 No.18306766 >>18306759 If you can gain 8K matures in 2 years, then I should be able to gain 2K in 6 months, right?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:46:38 2018 No.18306773 >>18306766 Simple maths would say yes. 2K in 6 month is quite achievable as intially there will be heaps of common words to learn.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:49:17 2018 No.18306782 >>18306766 The math isn't exact; the more words you already know the easier it is to learn new ones. Going from 0 to 2k is not the same as going from 10k to 12k.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 00:57:30 2018 No.18306797 >>18306766 Aim for it, but don't be disappointed if you don't. Learning and acquisition is a LOT slower starting out than later on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 01:18:37 2018 No.18306837 >>18306551 >>18306549 ty anons

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 01:42:13 2018 No.18306884 >>18306773 >maths god damn bongistanis

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 01:56:52 2018 No.18306937 >>18306884 Where do you live where maths isn't called maths?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 01:57:48 2018 No.18306940 File: 77 KB, 1000x1000, aea4a21c5b6bcc1f9d9c501b636168d8.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18306937 The only country on this planet that matters

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 01:59:58 2018 No.18306946 >>18306940 Maths is called 数学 in Japan.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 02:00:51 2018 No.18306952 >>18306946 MATH is called 数学 in Japan. Japan doesn't matter, 2D does.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 02:36:34 2018 No.18307102 >>18306940 >The only country on this planet that matters well if we are speaking about matter, you certainly have the rest of the world beat

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 02:45:31 2018 No.18307139 >>18307102 ブローン・ザ・ファック・アウト

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 02:55:01 2018 No.18307174 >>18304467 If you know English you have zero excuses for this trash.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:05:36 2018 No.18307197 >>18304467 This better be a joke. Source?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:19:12 2018 No.18307232 File: 133 KB, 720x765, js_1.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] JSの宿題も

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:20:20 2018 No.18307234 File: 179 KB, 1024x768, js_2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] そんなに簡単な

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:21:24 2018 No.18307237 File: 194 KB, 1024x768, js_3.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] わけではないね

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:29:05 2018 No.18307257 >>18306952 >Japan doesn't matter, 2D does. America is irrelevant and can burst into treats overnight. Japan however is needed because it is the centre of the 2D universe. Learn your place.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:39:19 2018 No.18307272 File: 15 KB, 250x250, spongebob why.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] "木の葉" pronounced "このは" means "tree leaf". "木" means tree. But when it's by itself it's pronounced "き". Why isn't "tree leaf" pronounced "きのは"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:41:41 2018 No.18307277 >>18307272 welcome to japanese i hope youre prepared for much more

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:45:06 2018 No.18307282 >>18307272 Actually it can be pronounced きのは although I reckon it's less common. こ is just an uncommon reading of 木. It's another reason why memorising reading is pointless since exceptions will fuck you over.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:46:06 2018 No.18307284 File: 167 KB, 800x600, ei79AU8n1tk07.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18307272 木漏れ日

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 03:55:40 2018 No.18307296 why is djt split between here, /a/ and /int/?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 04:05:35 2018 No.18307321 File: 13 KB, 480x360, hqdefault.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18307296 >djt >/a/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 04:12:16 2018 No.18307335 >>18307321 it used to be there not long ago

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 04:16:14 2018 No.18307343 I wondered what you would say out of the blue. 突然何を言い出すのかと思った。 Can someone explain what のか here is? I thought it was かとおもうと grammar at first but it doesn't seem to line up. Is it HGJP's indirect question form?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 04:16:23 2018 No.18307344 >>18307282 木陰（こかげ）木立（こだち）木の実（このみ or きのみ）

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 04:19:37 2018 No.18307353 >>18307335 you speak of the before time the long long ago

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 04:22:58 2018 No.18307365 >>18307272 ｊｕｓｔ　ｇｉｖｅ　ｕｐ　ｍａｔｅ．　ｔｈｉｓ　ｉｓｎｔ　ｔｈｅ　ｌａｎｇｕａｇｅ　ｆｏｒ　ｙｏｕ．

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 04:28:16 2018 No.18307383 File: 1.11 MB, 1281x1080, 1445656507047.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18307353

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 04:32:00 2018 No.18307400 >>18307365 てんしょんたかーこわーい

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 04:55:39 2018 No.18307454 File: 73 KB, 1280x720, 20140327112544161.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >tfw you're familiar enough with words that shitty, impossible to spot 点々 and 丸 in manga don't even register

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 05:19:09 2018 No.18307515 any recommended manga without furigana but aren't nightmare tier?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 05:27:51 2018 No.18307532 File: 168 KB, 1520x1096, 02.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18307284 ＧＨＮ！

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 05:32:01 2018 No.18307536 >>18307454 > impossible to spot 点々 and 丸 How do you mean?

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 05:36:30 2018 No.18307545

What's the best way to learn Kanji in the context of vocabulary?
I heard individual Kanji study (as in anki kanji decks?) is shit.
So what's the best way? studying radicals? memorizing the kanji associated with words?
Is it important to memorize how individual kanji runes are pronounced?

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 05:38:11 2018 No.18307547
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>>18307536
it was my fault actually I was too zoomed out and i forgot about it on my reader
it was set on zoom lock, some things were getting smooshed together, but i caught it anyway

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 05:56:26 2018 No.18307578

>>18307545
> runes
Nigga this aint runescape.

Seriously though, the read the Writing System section of the DJT https://djtguide.neocities.org/guide.html#Writing%20system

Individual kanji study is what I would recommend, but feel free to choose what works for you. For individual study, I would recommend Remembering the Kanji, for a few reasons:
1. It helps you actually recall the kanji.
2. It helps you distinguish similar kanji.
3. It is a slower method in the initial stages of learning Japanese, but you will advanced faster once you've finished it since you won't need to learn kanji with vocabulary.

If you do end up using Remembering the Kanji, make sure you write down the kanji from memory when you are reviewing it in Anki, don't just picture it in your head and call it a day.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 05:59:17 2018 No.18307582

>>18307545
>>18307578
Fuck me I keep forgetting to actually finish what I was saying before posting. To answer your last question, I don't think it's important to memorize how they are individual pronounced (called readings), since some kanji have many different readings, and the rules for figuring out which readings to use in kanji compounds have many exceptions, so it's not worth it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:01:40 2018 No.18307587 >>18307582 i just hit 3k words and only now discovered 行 is ぎょう too

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:11:29 2018 No.18307605 Ok I think I'm finally ready to dive in deep. What should be the first thing I should try and read (preferably visual novel/game over manga)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:12:42 2018 No.18307607 >>18307587 holy shit what

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:12:54 2018 No.18307608 File: 209 KB, 1152x720, 97460.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18307605 夏ノ鎖

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:22:04 2018 No.18307633 Is it normal for mangaka to randomly write words in katakana even if they're not foreign or scientific? Cause in one of the ones I'm reading, 駄目is always written as ダメ

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:25:02 2018 No.18307641 >>18307633 Yea. Because of the implication

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:25:37 2018 No.18307642 >>18307633 katalana is used as a tool for emphasos similar to western caps lock

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:25:49 2018 No.18307643 >>18307641 what implication?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:27:00 2018 No.18307646 >>18307642 Oh, I never knew that, thanks anon

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:32:11 2018 No.18307653 >>18307605 Literally anything that can keep your attention long enough. I started with 星空のメモリア.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 06:40:28 2018 No.18307664 >>18307643 The implication

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:23:03 2018 No.18307769
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I can't figure out how to parse this.

I got, literally speaking: "Try-catching-sppearance" with みる(try imperative) and よう(shortened seems/similar/appearance)

という(idk wtf わん means) ばかり(only meaning?) の目で（means) みてくるん (appearance??? or "come see")

I just found out 言わんばかり means "as if to say" so it makes sense, but I still don't get the 見てくる or what わん means. is it 見てくれ?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:23:18 2018 No.18307771 >>18307605 Shitty rpg maker eroge have short and easy dialogue

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:23:18 2018 No.18307772 おにいちゃんげつようびってぶるーはいらない？

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:24:59 2018 No.18307778 >>18307769 めはくちほどにものをいう

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:28:03 2018 No.18307785 posting from mobile so no hiragana/kanji but what is the difference between "tabemasu" vs "tabeteimasu" tabe as in eating?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:29:07 2018 No.18307790 If I want to study radicals, what do I use? The Anki deck in the guide?

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:39:12 2018 No.18307821

>>18306682
On the other hand, you can get thru more content quicker or with a higher level of comprehension, and you can look things up more easily, and it will have some beneficial effect on your reading at the same time. Also in general learning multiple related things at the same time is more efficient than focusing on one at a time. Maybe if you're already at a point where you don't need any more vocabulary, collocations or reading practice.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:41:58 2018 No.18307831 Why do sometimes in livestreams and stuff Japanese people start spamming w w w w w w?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:42:39 2018 No.18307833 >>18307831 Same thing when Koreans spam kkkkkkk

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:43:21 2018 No.18307834 >>18307833 Why do Koreans spam kkkkkkk? Is it like lol?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:45:56 2018 No.18307840 >>18307834 It's the sound a dog makes when you slit its throat while it's still alive. Reminds koreans of their childhoods it's the korean equivalent of "comfy"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:50:18 2018 No.18307849 File: 57 KB, 495x480, 1372558975839.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18307840

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:57:52 2018 No.18307882 >>18307769 ～と言わんばかり is an idiomatic phrase. it means "as much as to say~", 見てくる is ROUGHLY same as 見る, so the sentence can be understood as 「まるで、『私を捕まえてみろ』と話すかのように、私を見るのです。」

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 08:01:07 2018 No.18307890 Anyone know any good academic books on Shintoism in Japanese? I want to learn the history/background and shit so I can enjoy shrines and shit more.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 08:05:00 2018 No.18307905 >>18307831 Because 笑い

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 08:06:04 2018 No.18307911

>>18307890
Chinese bhuddist monk came to Japan. He started spouting his already misinterpreted chinese version of bhuddism. Then the Japanese misunderstood and mixed it with Japanese paganism and that's how shintoism got formed. It's also very inconsistent over time. The morals and stories changed every couple of centuries. Modern shintoism is nothing like the ancient version. Its like comparing modern mormonism with egyptian religion even though they originally had the same origin they are nothing alike

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 08:07:14 2018 No.18307913 >>18307633 when a word can be written in kanji but that looks difficult to read, often used katakana instead. some examples ：ケンカ（喧嘩）、ケガ（怪我）、カゼ（風邪）、サイコロ（賽子）、ハサミ（鋏）、コンロ（焜炉）…

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 08:09:25 2018 No.18307923 >>18307911 I'm kinda interested in all of that. Like I said, I don't really care about the morals, I'm interested in the history.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 08:38:06 2018 No.18308031 >>18307578 Have you looked at any other kanji resources than Remembering The Kanji in the past 20 years since you've started learning Japanese?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 09:01:17 2018 No.18308146 界分別観 I saw this word but when I google it I only get Chinese shit. What does it mean?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 09:04:16 2018 No.18308154 >>18308146 I highly recommend you stop using parsers.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 09:06:22 2018 No.18308167

>>18307545
Anki has been working great for me using the core 2k/6k deck from the OP guide
Its not individual Kanji, but words that use kanji. They provide a brief context too with an example of the word used in a sentence.

All I've really been doing is seeing a new word (new card), writing it down, and from there recalling it when it shows up. It might not be the best method for everyone but I've managed to learn almost 1000 words and counting as someone who has tried to learn kanji twice before now and quit less than a month in because those methods didn't work for me. This has shown significant results at least for me.

I've never studied radicals myself, but by learning through anki I have recognized the recurring radicals and come up with my own names for them so without studying them I still kind of incorporate them to some extent.

To me its been more of a memorization game than anything else. I don't memorize how the individual kanji are pronounced (unless such a kanji shows up on its own as a word, in which case I do). Even with that I have noticed more and more as I continue to learn that I'm "guessing" words I've never seen before prior to displaying the answer because I've seen how they are pronounced in other words.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 09:57:49 2018 No.18308302

>>18308167
I’ve noticed some errors with the core deck, though.
Like くれる (as in てくれる) is definitely not “to be given“, as their own example demonstrates. It’s ”to [graciously lower yourself to] give [for humble old me and my kin]”.
“Condescend” used to mean something similar.

I forgot the point of this post in the middle of typing it.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:04:59 2018 No.18308313

I downloaded Princess Maker 5 before realizing my own hubris. I still want to make something of this, though. Would you recommend mining out the entirety of this (and all the subpages) and putting it in a new deck?:
https://www26.atwiki.jp/princessmaker1-5/sp/pages/39.html
actually I’ve already done that

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:19:06 2018 No.18308343
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I am past -kana learning stage, and I am trying to slowly picking up a kanji as mentioned in grammar guide, and i came past this.

I came across a kanji that is like "pic related" ( 父母 ).
I translated it and it should be "parents".

I just wonder if is there any "weird combinations" or dangerously similar kanji that can have a completely different meaning?
I am still getting used how you can use it and so on.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:22:01 2018 No.18308353 >>18308343 Completely different meaning? What?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:26:40 2018 No.18308367 >>18308353 like, i don't know, you just add/remove one line or something like that and you get a different kanji that looks similar

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:32:34 2018 No.18308383 >>18308367 Two things that will avoid this: Context and the fact that you will most certainly only type kanji, not write down by hand.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:37:14 2018 No.18308400 >>18308367 like 犬(dog)/太(fat), 土(soil)/士(warrior), 手(hand)/毛(hair)...? nightmare mode 壁/璧, 酒/洒, 崇/祟, 侯/候

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:40:32 2018 No.18308415 >>18308400 末/未

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:41:49 2018 No.18308419 >>18308400 yea, this. fucking soil/warrior took me a while. How do you read that last? i had to zoom it 3 times to make it "readable"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:42:01 2018 No.18308420 File: 221 KB, 725x829, asd.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm retarded, I don't see a free download link besides the two links to the shop through the cart http://livingjapanese.com/pages/yotsubato_reading_pack1.html

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:42:44 2018 No.18308425 >>18308167 >I have recognized the recurring radicals and come up with my own names for them What did you call them?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:43:33 2018 No.18308428 >>18308420 Are you blind? Please read through your screenshot carefully.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:44:44 2018 No.18308434 >>18308167 Does the core 2K/6K use cards with kanji on the front? I only just started and still learning Hiragana, but I looked at the core 2/6k deck and saw hiragana and assumed they were all hiragana.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:49:32 2018 No.18308451 Is Japanese the C++ of natural languages?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:55:55 2018 No.18308472 >>18308451 nah, more like perl C++ is bretty easy if you understand pointers

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 10:56:10 2018 No.18308474 >>18301795 >>18305834 >but I will have found a society I care about, Ok gaijin They will never care about you

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 11:24:40 2018 No.18308580 >>18294874 the picture is lovely!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 11:36:10 2018 No.18308633 >>18308472 You mean C is pretty easy if you understand pointers. Modern C++ is a lot more than just pointers.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 11:56:46 2018 No.18308721 >>18308633 tfw we didn't have guaranteed copy elision until C++17

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:10:37 2018 No.18308753

>>18308721
I wonder how they were even able to do that without platform specific calling conventions getting in the way.
I know the x64 sysv ABI returns objects by hidden pointer which allows copy elision (caller passes function a pointer, function writes through pointer), but what about other ABIs?

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:13:22 2018 No.18308768

>>18308753
ABIs don't really affect internal code, just external code. It's the same reason anything can be inlined. I have no idea how it would work when calling a shared objects, but I'm sure there's a way, how automatic storage works is implementation defined.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:21:35 2018 No.18308799 >daily programming thread

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:22:30 2018 No.18308806 >>18308799 I'm sure DJT and DPT overlap more with each other than they do any other thread, to be honest

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:25:28 2018 No.18308817

>>18308425
It varies, but its usually some vaguely based around what I can visualize it as. For some I use the actual radicals like water or woman. Some of them are as simple and straightforward as "box" or "table". Others are as impractical and fucked up as "people fucking". Like mnemonics, its whatever works.

>>18308434
Its just words. Some words are written using only hiragana, some are a mixture of kanji and hiragana, others are just kanji. To my knowledge it prioritizes the more common/practical words early on.

>>18308302
I'm sure there are errors and mistakes. Personally I don't like the amount of duplicate cards (albeit with different meanings) that give you no context to work with to discern which reading it would be. Overall though I've been learning a very significant amount of words and retaining it. I'm worlds ahead of where I'd be without anki, and its been a very pain-free way to learn each day without having to throw together my own "lesson plan", since it does it all for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:27:56 2018 No.18308824 >>18308817 >Some of them are as simple and straightforward as "box" or "table" You said you never studied the radicals, but there are radicals that are actually called that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:32:16 2018 No.18308837 >>18308806 I'd rather just deal with one unachievable skill I want looming over me and making me want to kms than two at once.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:38:17 2018 No.18308859

>>18308824
I've seen radicals before, but I haven't gone out of my way to really learn or study them. Some have stuck simply because they are pretty easy and work well enough even if I'd only seen them once or twice in passing.

I actually looked at a radical list now out of curiosity. The ones I call "box" and "table" aren't even the 'official' box or table radicals, they go by different names. So like I say its all down to what works for each person.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:44:28 2018 No.18308876 File: 3 KB, 101x89, 1496890158439.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >This is supposed to be a "knife"

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:45:31 2018 No.18308880 >>18308876 Kind of looks like a knife I guess

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:47:47 2018 No.18308888 >>18308876 I call it the ka radical

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:48:46 2018 No.18308892 >>18308876 butcher knife/cleaver

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:49:22 2018 No.18308894 >>18308876 Draw a better knife in two strokes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:50:56 2018 No.18308902 >>18308876 it looks like a hilt to me

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:51:41 2018 No.18308905 >>18308876 dropped the soap

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:52:25 2018 No.18308909 File: 11 KB, 474x375, knife_kanji.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18308894

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:52:33 2018 No.18308910 File: 7 KB, 675x643, knfie.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] how do you deal with that feel when you would already have been fluent for 4 years if you knew what anki was when you were 16 >>18308894

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:53:59 2018 No.18308918 >>18308910 he said better

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:56:27 2018 No.18308933 >>18308918 >haha hasty paint painting with mouse is ugly at least it looks like a knife you chink apologist

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:57:44 2018 No.18308941 File: 19 KB, 640x400, 1490708396442.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18308894 That was easy.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:57:50 2018 No.18308942 >>18308933 that's a feather

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:57:52 2018 No.18308943 >>18308933 no, because it looks like a 12 year doodled the knife emoji the cleaver blade looks way nicer

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:58:30 2018 No.18308947 >>18308943 why is it not called cleaver then

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 12:59:18 2018 No.18308953 >>18308947 its called katana

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:00:26 2018 No.18308956 >>18308953 Doesn't look like a katana at all.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:01:22 2018 No.18308960 >>18308956 katana roughly just means blade u fuckin weeb

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:02:00 2018 No.18308966 File: 123 KB, 290x270, 58678.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18307272 木枯らし

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:02:10 2018 No.18308967 >>18308960 It doesn't look like a fuckin blade either

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:03:17 2018 No.18308971 >>18308967 yea it does it looks like a cleaver blade

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:04:07 2018 No.18308977 Can someone kick naruto out, he is raging when getting called out for his shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:05:07 2018 No.18308979 >>18308971 But it says knife, not cleaver or blade.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:05:41 2018 No.18308982 >>18308979 cleavers are knives

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:06:34 2018 No.18308986 >>18308982 cleavers are not knives

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:07:40 2018 No.18308989 >>18308986 knife nīf/ noun noun: knife; plural noun: knives 1. an instrument composed of a blade fixed into a handle, used for cutting or as a weapon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:09:27 2018 No.18308996 >>18308989 >polearm are knives

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:09:29 2018 No.18308997 >>18308986 Cleavers are knives.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:10:22 2018 No.18309001 >>18308996 correct

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:11:11 2018 No.18309007 File: 23 KB, 400x400, Chinese-Chefs-Knives-&-Cleavers-003.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google]

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:21:12 2018 No.18309061 >>18309007 >knives & cleavers >& CLEAVERS HAHA GUYS I WON YOU JUST KILLED YOUR OWN ARGUMENT

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:23:09 2018 No.18309074 >>18309061 Yes, some senses of the word "knife" as a category exclude some cleavers. No, that does not mean that cleavers in general are not knives. Cleavers have to be extraordinarily large to not be knives. Most cleavers are knives.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:32:48 2018 No.18309113
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>>18309074
>muh arbitrary vague definition is the real one

Your shitty wikipedia copypaste only describes what a knife is, it doesn't even claim that all objects that fit the criteria are knives

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:33:56 2018 No.18309116 >>18309113 I didn't post that and the fact that definitions aren't categorical is what means that most cleavers are knives. I'm sorry that your idea of what the word "knife" means is wrong, anon.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:36:08 2018 No.18309122 >>18309113 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleaver give up

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:36:36 2018 No.18309126 >>18309116 No! Most objects identified as cleavers are, in fact, knives. This doesn't mean cleavers are knives

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:40:11 2018 No.18309136

>>18309126
>Most objects identified as cleavers are, in fact, knives. This doesn't mean cleavers are knives
It actually does.

It just means that there are exceptions.

Actual real communication does not deal in reflecting absolutes in simple statements.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:40:11 2018 No.18309137 File: 36 KB, 623x450, brainlet27.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18309122 >t. daggers are knives Umbrella terms are what brainlets use when they run out of vocabulary

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:40:42 2018 No.18309140 >>18309137 Daggers are, in fact, knives.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:59:22 2018 No.18309184 Someone shove a knife in his weeb ass

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 13:59:42 2018 No.18309186

Any way to get the language switcher icon thing to go back near the clock like it was before? I hit "show the language bar" one time and now Ic an only get it to display either at the left of the tray icons or above the taskbar, no longer to the left of the clock like it was before

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 14:49:51 2018 No.18309374 Is it worth getting a Japanese 3DS? There's not much mention of games in the guide save for PC VNs. I kind of want to try my luck at daigyakuten saiban. Anyone have any experience of doing something similar?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 15:00:30 2018 No.18309408 >>18309374 If you want a handheld the Vita is the best choice.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 15:23:36 2018 No.18309512

>>18309408
I've got a Vita, though I've never used it for practicing Japanese. Somehow I just can't picture what games would be much good for it. I might just be making excuses but I thought that the more child orientated Nintendo games along with the Region locking ensuring I don't chicken out and play western games might serve as a better motivator. Could just be wishful thinking though.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 15:26:42 2018 No.18309522 >>18309512 A fuckton of VNs have Vita ports. Sounds like you have a mental barrier to learning, getting a new console won't help with that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 15:35:32 2018 No.18309562 >>18309512 There are tons of text-heavy Vita games - VNs (both ports and original titles), JRPGs like Persona 4 and the Kiseki series, etc.s

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 16:00:20 2018 No.18309665 Does someone know how I get Typhon to work with anki? I don't manage to turn the export feature on.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 16:06:47 2018 No.18309693

I want to improve my listening from shit/non existant to a level where I could actually follow a conversation.

I watched a few Benjiro-san videos on YouTube, and could follow along to about 75% of the conversation, but I was hoping someone could recommend some slice of life anime where the conversation is slow and basic.

I did just rewatch the first episode of AIRA for the first time in well over 5 years without subs and followed along to probably 10% of the conversation.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 16:08:30 2018 No.18309703 File: 1.73 MB, 1366x768, 1459293683197.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Thinking of going to japan to study japanese at a language school. How well would I be able to speak if I study there for 1 year?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 16:08:36 2018 No.18309705 >>18309693 If you want simple language kids anime like precure are the way to go.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 16:10:00 2018 No.18309712 >>18309665 Alright you can export the words to an anki card but you still have to fill in the rest. Too bad.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 16:12:35 2018 No.18309729 >>18309693 苺ましまろきんいろモザイクふらいんぐうぃっちのんのんびより

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 17:08:34 2018 No.18310044 File: 84 KB, 960x960, 1486119072896.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18298446 > listening was your highest score >43/60

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 18:00:35 2018 No.18310359 青年の耳元や首筋が行灯のほの明りにも見て取れるくらい朱を帯びる Is ほの明りにも見て取れるくらい "(hue) which looks like dim light" or "visible even in the dim light"?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 18:04:26 2018 No.18310386 >>18310044 いい絵ね

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 18:44:27 2018 No.18310610 >>18310359 The latter.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 18:58:54 2018 No.18310648 File: 423 KB, 1213x783, utiWbx[1].png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18294874 hey friends, can you translate this?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 19:00:57 2018 No.18310658 >>18310648 Nope. Go to >>>/wsr/

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 19:02:13 2018 No.18310666 >>18310648 Something about the feeling of being cummed inside and pleasure.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 19:04:31 2018 No.18310680 >>18310666 wow japanese reporters are very lewd then

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 19:26:48 2018 No.18310810 >>18310648 If that's japanese then grease me up and call me a piggie.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 19:29:16 2018 No.18310825 >>18310810 it is, written by a japanese reporter you can identify some kana if you pay attention

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 19:31:29 2018 No.18310842 File: 149 KB, 783x1213, Untitled.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18310810 Not that it helps much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 19:32:04 2018 No.18310850 >>18310825 Is he reporting on new technology that allows chickens to write?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 19:35:45 2018 No.18310877 >>18310850 no, he's interviewing a politician

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 20:05:21 2018 No.18311073 I just finished Past verbs chapter, Can I start reading VNs now? How good should my vocabulary be before doing so?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 20:27:39 2018 No.18311184 >>18311073 Yes! have fun :)

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:04:04 2018 No.18311338 am I the only one who thinks ざっくばらん sounds like a name

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:08:16 2018 No.18311361 Just had to look up 懐かしい in a J-E dictionary to find an English word I was looking for, time to die.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:22:52 2018 No.18311421 >>18311361 I had to type every word of this sentence into Google translate because I forgot English, that's how good I am beat that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:34:56 2018 No.18311489 >>18309374 Just get an American/EU 3DS and homebrew it so you can pirate all the JP games you want.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:38:50 2018 No.18311504
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One of the most frustrating things about reading japanese is when I understand the meaning of every word in a sentence, but I still have no idea what that sentence means.

I was reading this page:
http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/ts/language/rhythm.html

And I bumped into this sentence:
数字の羅列を読み上げるという比較的自由に発音できる場合にだけ、この隠された四拍子の規則が現れるのだと思う。

I know the meaning of every word there, but if I were to translate that sentence into english, I wouldn't be able to.
Can someone do that?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:42:30 2018 No.18311518 MangaMeeya 7.4 now kicks the shit out of honeyview 3 that is all

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:42:53 2018 No.18311521 >>18311504 I believe that this secret four-four-rhythm appears only in cases where one can, with relative freedom of pronunciation, read out a series of digits. イチ、ニー、サン、ヨン、

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:44:44 2018 No.18311530

>>18311521
As opposed to reading it out with place value words (一千二百三十四).

It's the same as how you say one, two, three, four, five, six, seven eight, nine, ten, with "seven" having two syllables in the span of time where most digits have one syllable.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:47:17 2018 No.18311539 >>18311521 Aaaaah, I think I can see it now. Thank you so much.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:48:32 2018 No.18311544 >>18311539 It helps that I already know what it's talking about.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 21:50:18 2018 No.18311551 >>18311544 yeah, I know what the page is about just fine. Just that one sentence though was confusing me. I like to understand what I'm reading to the point that I can translate into english.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 22:03:13 2018 No.18311596 >>18311544 Wait, you said -you- already know what it was about? (I read you wrong) Could it be possible that you have read that same page at some point? What are the chances?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 22:04:14 2018 No.18311603 >>18311596 No I just read basically everything I ever come across on the internet and this topic happened to be something I've come across before.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 22:05:50 2018 No.18311612 >>18311603 Woah. I guess that's a good habit.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 22:32:01 2018 No.18311695 >>18311612 >I guess that's a good habit. Reading everything you come across also means that one fanfic about harry potter and draco malfoy as gay lovers you were rickrolled on

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 22:33:15 2018 No.18311697 File: 631 KB, 1133x1200, 545.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] so i can't buy amazon.co.jp kindle comics as an american, or is there a workaround?

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 22:43:47 2018 No.18311724 >>18311695 Yeah I read that too unfortunately.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 23:02:03 2018 No.18311790 >>18311697 >Amazon I bought USA only digital games from Brazil by entering an American address, the same logic might apply to that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 23:06:48 2018 No.18311803 >>18311697 use a japanese address

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 23:13:03 2018 No.18311821 >>18311695 everyone should read at least one gay fanfic in their lifetimes

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 23:54:04 2018 No.18311945 >物憂げなマイも What "マイ"　means here? help!

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 23:56:55 2018 No.18311954 >>18311790 >>18311803 ok can do

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 29 23:58:07 2018 No.18311959 >>18311945 Probably someones name

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 00:00:17 2018 No.18311967 >>18311959 that makes sense thanks!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 00:55:31 2018 No.18312132 >>18311821 if i have to, then its yuri, with 2hu characters

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 01:00:29 2018 No.18312142

>>18308031
Here's my personal opinion (that means you don't have to agree with it) of why I found RTK more useful than other methods.

I found that actually recalling kanji from memory, combined with writing them down when reviewing them, solidified the kanji in my memory a lot better than learning a new kanji with a word. That being said, I don't think learning kanji with new words is a bad idea. The main gripe that I have with that method is that it takes a long time to get through all the Joyou kanji.

You can quite easily get through RTK in a few months, even less if you're really dedicated. This initially makes for a slow start to the language, but if your goal is to gain a thorough understanding of Japanese, then it makes sense to spend a decent amount of time familiarising yourself with kanji, since at the end of the day they are the most important part of the Japanese writing system. Once you've finished RTK, you can learn a large majority of the words you'll come across in a lot of common media, occasionally learning new kanji if you want to.

I've tried KLC in the past and I found it quite slow remembering readings and vocab along with new kanji, so I eventually gave up on readings and just focused on the vocab, but that too become cumbersome and I eventually gave up. I think focusing on visual stories, and making up your own stories rather than using the ones in the book is why KLC is inferior to RTK.

The reason I'm recommending RTK is because I believe in the long run it is faster and more efficient than the learn as you go kanji methods, and because it worked for me. I think it's valuable to have multiple methods and to find the one that works for you, regardless of how old or (in my opinion mistakenly) criticized it may be.

I haven't gone into full detail here, but that's most of my opinion on the matter.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 01:49:33 2018 No.18312351 if memorizing 3000 gay stories was a prerequisite to learning this language I think I'd probably stick with subs

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 01:53:54 2018 No.18312365 >>18312351 You could make them straight stories if you want, I won't judge.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 02:33:26 2018 No.18312500 おはようおにいちゃんやきいもたべたい

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 02:36:44 2018 No.18312506 >>18312500 de? tteiu

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 03:21:10 2018 No.18312658 File: 8 KB, 250x250, 1502070112144.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18312500 焼き妹食べたい

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 03:45:21 2018 No.18312726 File: 318 KB, 802x672, 1516364437475.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >can't understand most of a chapter of ミツ星カラーズ cause I can't into Japanese humour and it makes zero sense to me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 03:49:33 2018 No.18312738 >>18312726 おにいちゃんならできるよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 03:52:48 2018 No.18312745 File: 67 KB, 379x381, 4?token=12norzsrobp2l.3cfaxf1yu0qoc.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18312726 This is the page by the way Can anyone help me understand what they're saying here?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 03:58:36 2018 No.18312760 File: 211 KB, 854x1200, 4.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18312726 Goddammit fucked up my last post But yeah, can anyone help me figure out what's going on here? I can't make sense of what they're saying

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 04:15:50 2018 No.18312789 >>18312760 >futon is futon! >one futon per person! naturally, all of them are dead! >the fuck >so this is a crime scene full of dead futons!

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 04:17:49 2018 No.18312796 >>18312760 おにいちゃんもふっとんだ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 04:37:05 2018 No.18312845 >>18312789 I don't know what you're translating but obviously not something that's written on the pic.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 04:45:38 2018 No.18312867 >>18312845 Sorry Second and third instances of futon should actually be "blown away"

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 04:54:44 2018 No.18312895 >>18312760 dumb hat wearing loli

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 05:01:09 2018 No.18312909 >>18312760 >The futon was blown away >Everyone was blown away >All of them died of course

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 05:29:38 2018 No.18312981 Doing the anki core deck and came across these 2 words: >閉じる >閉める They are both tranlated as "to open" in the deck, but is there any difference in using them?

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 05:31:44 2018 No.18312988

>>18312981
I think you mean close, but
one of them is intransitive, and when I asked a native something similar he said many of those words are kind of interchangeable, I wouldn't worry about it too much and just pick up any nuances with experience in the future.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 05:37:16 2018 No.18312996 >>18312988 Yeah I meant " to close", im currently reviewing the words and made a typo. Thanks for the answer. I take that the difference is similiar to "Shut the door" and "Close the door" in English

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 05:40:26 2018 No.18313007 >>18312981 さばかな

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 05:52:22 2018 No.18313031

>>18312996
The best way I've come to understand transitive/intransitive is:

>transitive
someone does something
>intransitive
something is done

So for a transitive version it would be "he shuts the door". Where the intransitive version would be "the door is shut" ("he" or whatever is performing the verb, is not needed in the intransitive version)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 05:52:23 2018 No.18313032 >>18312981 Same as あける and ひらく The difference is whether it's about opening as in connecting two spaces, such as opening a door to connect two rooms, or to open when there are no such spaces involved, such as opening a book or a lock.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 05:55:44 2018 No.18313041 >>18313031 I think I understand. Thank you

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 05:57:23 2018 No.18313045 >>18313032 Wrong. It's transitive and intransitive.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 06:05:21 2018 No.18313064

>>18313045
閉じる can be both intransitive and transitive depending on context, but what I said is still correct. The words in the strictly same forms, 閉まる and 閉じる, and 閉める and 閉ざす, are NOT always interchangeable because of the difference in meaning I explained.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 06:09:21 2018 No.18313071 >>18313064 とざすはつかわないんじゃないかなあとおもうよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 06:12:03 2018 No.18313080 File: 30 KB, 500x334, discomfort.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] this languages grammar is too hard

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 06:18:05 2018 No.18313088 >>18313071 分かってるけど説明を分かりやすくするためにあえて使った

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 06:35:07 2018 No.18313119 >>18311361 im having a similar feeling each time i have to look up the english definition this time it was for 覇権

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 06:39:44 2018 No.18313132 >>18313032 wait i thought that was あく and ひらく i have some vague memory about the opening processing being hinged, like a door and the other being a blooming or unfolding process, like flowers

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 06:52:29 2018 No.18313164 >>18313132 あく is the intransitive of あける

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 06:53:20 2018 No.18313166 ＮＡＴＯの旗に手裏剣があるのはどうして？ニンジャでもいたの？

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 07:30:15 2018 No.18313272 小遣いで買ったというより小遣いそのものだよね >can read every word and recognize every grammar point >still dont know what the fuck it says

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 07:34:34 2018 No.18313286 >>18313272 Seems like there should be something between 小遣い and そのもの. Where's the sentence from?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 07:35:45 2018 No.18313292 >>18313286 https://twitter.com/sanohito_mmd/status/958312403111849984

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 07:38:24 2018 No.18313298 >>18313292 'bought it with money yet its money itself'

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 07:40:06 2018 No.18313304 >>18313298 what the fuck

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 07:46:57 2018 No.18313335 >>18313304 yeah why the fcuk can you buy money the screenshot looks like some mobile tier game, it could be in game currency

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 08:03:39 2018 No.18313428 おなかすいたおでんたべたいたまご

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 08:33:06 2018 No.18313518 what does it mean to "study a kanji" ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 08:34:55 2018 No.18313530 帰ってこれなくなる holy shit I hate conjugations

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 08:35:34 2018 No.18313535 >>18313518 時間の無駄だ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 08:35:55 2018 No.18313538 >>18313518 To absorb the essence of the kanji into your very soul

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 08:36:52 2018 No.18313544 >>18313530 they're painful at first, and second, third eventually you get used to it and learn to enjoy the suffering perhaps thats the secret

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 08:38:16 2018 No.18313553 File: 3.34 MB, 1920x1080, 10.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Dang. Nice sentence, nice subordinate clase >>18313530 Easy peasy

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 08:48:14 2018 No.18313611

>>18313272
If you don't know what the fuck it says then you don't know every grammar point. You don't even know that you don't know them, a clear sign that you should study more grammar.

Like the other guy said it means "I bought this with my spare change, or I guess it IS my spare change". Since it's basically money that he bought with money, it didn't stop being spare change after he bought it.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:16:09 2018 No.18313725 >>18313530 Oh man I hate them too Regular words become like thrice as long for some reason which I still barely understand

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:16:22 2018 No.18313726 >>18313611 "というより” (exp,uk) rather than

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:19:44 2018 No.18313732 >>18313726 Basically the same thing as "or" in my sentence

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:23:16 2018 No.18313746 Whats the best kanji anki deck? I've been using wanikani for 6 months now and while i like the system it's just moving too slow.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:31:35 2018 No.18313768 >>18313746 Read the guide before asking questions

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:36:24 2018 No.18313793 >>18313732 i dont get how it means "or", it means rather than those are two different concepts

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:41:58 2018 No.18313817 >>18313746 >6 months >still haven't started learning japanese lolxd my dude

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:46:53 2018 No.18313841 >>18313272 "I bought this with your spare change", more like this is spare change itself.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:47:11 2018 No.18313843

>>18313817
Its actually 2 years and I was a dumb shithead that never started kanji until 6 months ago. Sure I learned some kanji simply by encountering it a lot while reading but that's not enough.

The 1900 kanji anki deck in the guide is also not up to snuff. Is there a more complete kanji anki deck anyone here knows about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:48:24 2018 No.18313855 >>18313843 Hint: My point was learning kanji isn't learning Japanese. You don't know to know kanji like that, just download a vocabulary deck and dive in and start reading.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:52:32 2018 No.18313867

>>18313841
even though i dont get your "or" i realized my mistake now, my head was using the "rather than" form with english thinking, where より would be replaced more fittingly by ほうがいい, i was thinking also in preferentiality, not conjunction.

i dont know how で is being used here though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:54:28 2018 No.18313871 >>18313867 I'm not the or guy, and で means with in my translation.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 09:55:36 2018 No.18313873 >>18313871 i meant to quote myself, sorry

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 10:18:22 2018 No.18313952 >>18313843 If you've already gotten burned on wasting a lot of time using resource X to learn something unnecessary, don't move on to resource Y to learn the same unnecessary thing. Just move on to learning other things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 10:39:25 2018 No.18314020 File: 15 KB, 846x222, mN85O3L.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] does the と before the changed verb make it retain the "attempt" context? If I didn't know I would've ended up reading these as "I've decided I will go" and etc.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 11:02:18 2018 No.18314113 File: 622 KB, 871x583, GvstyNx.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] http://www.mangareader.net/flying-witch/4/7 クソ翻訳家

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 11:12:58 2018 No.18314170
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>>18314113
>ドヤ顔
It's a fun phrase.

I've never checked a translation of manga while reading. Are you using one as a reference to check your understanding, or something? If so, I'd suggest not doing this because translation into English is not the same as reading Japanese.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 11:16:28 2018 No.18314177

>>18314170
I check it when I'm completely floored by a sentence I can't figure out to see what concepts I missed. 60% of the time it's a stupid expression that I tried figuring out with the root words and the other 40% its me failing grammar. I'm wondering if I need to drop this after Yotsuba too. It's hard to reinforce grammar patterns when half of the characters in both manga speak slang or accents. I have almost zero trouble understanding cutie Makoto on the other hand.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 11:38:33 2018 No.18314258

>>18314177
Checking a translation created for English readers by some random fan translator is rarely going to help, since they aren't trying to help the audience understand the Japanese as much as reinterpret the text into consistent English.
A dictionary and gramar reference are generally better tools, as well as posting the problem structures here and getting assistance with the internal logic of said structure.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 11:40:50 2018 No.18314268 >>18314258 half of this thread would be flying witch posts if I did this

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 11:42:17 2018 No.18314276 >>18314177 >>18314258 Most manga translators are bad enough at translating that your comprehension of the story in Japanese is going to be better than your comprehension of the story via their translation. Don't bother checking manga translations.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:11:09 2018 No.18314400 >>18314177 >>18314268 Have you watched the anime?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:12:48 2018 No.18314405 >>18314400 No

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:31:55 2018 No.18314492 why am I getting a headache while reading

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:34:10 2018 No.18314501 How do you differentiate な as negative shortening or negative command meaning, or otherwise not negative at all when context doesn't tell?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:35:18 2018 No.18314506 >>18314501 Nevermind, that was a dumb question. Still, fuck this language.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:35:39 2018 No.18314508 >>18314501 死なな死にな死ぬな

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:38:01 2018 No.18314513 >>18314492 Drink more.. water

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:56:19 2018 No.18314599 >>18314020 In case 決める/決めた is used, Yes. In case 思う/思った is used, No.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:03:55 2018 No.18314634 >>18314501 >negative shortening Where did you see it? Some dialect?

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:06:48 2018 No.18314642
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>>18314634
I thought な could be used like ね for slang so I read it initially as "but not also you" essentially.

I forgot command applies to verbs and that も can't be used for contradictory statements though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:33:36 2018 No.18314745 >>18314492 バカヤローコノヤロー明かりを点けておこう

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:36:22 2018 No.18314754

>>18313843
Doesn't really matter, you can use KKLC or something. Important thing is, if you are studying Kanji, that you are writing the Kanji. Otherwise you are just wasting time and could be drilling vocabulary. Doesn't really matter if a deck is barebones, I use Yomichan and it lets me add Kanji to my Kanji deck without problem.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:37:49 2018 No.18314756 >>18314754 There is zero (zero) reason to actually handwrite kanji if you don't specifically want to do handwriting and you don't yet actually know Japanese.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:39:09 2018 No.18314761 Handwriting outside of the most basic characters is absurdly time consuming. If you don't know Japanese yet, and you aren't actually interested in handwriting, then that time is better spent doing almost anything else.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:39:45 2018 No.18314762

>>18314756
Wrong. It's just mostly agreed on that it's not worth the time investment, though it's really only a few months at the beginning of your study, meaning it doesn't matter either way in the long run. If you actually think writing out thousands of Kanji has no other benefit than being able to write thousands of Kanji, I won't try to wake you up from your delusions.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:40:44 2018 No.18314765 >>18314762 Not wrong. There isn't a reason. You can only say that I'm wrong if you provide a reason, and aside from the exceptions that I stated, there are none.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:50:22 2018 No.18314790

>>18314762
Also, I didn't say there was no benefit, I said there was zero reason. Something being beneficial in isolation doesn't mean that other things are not better and more beneficial. If you need to drink water, there's no reason to go to a mountain spring and get water there instead of using your tap or buying bottled spring water. Some people might espouse the benefits of doing so, but in reality they're so much smaller than the cost spent by going to the mountain spring that it's not beneficial unless you have a special reason to go to the mountain spring, like your tap water being toxic, or you having an illness that you somehow think the mountain spring water will help with, or running some kind of delusional experiment on yourself.

For the typical Japanese learner, who doesn't know Japanese yet and doesn't actually want to write Kanji, there is zero reason to actually handwrite kanji as opposed to doing other activities. You only think there is because you've been indoctrinated by bad learning resources.

If you want to learn to handwrite in general, it's better to handwrite phrases, because just like in English, the ability to produce strings of characters is far more important than your ability to produce individual characters in isolation.

If you want the ability to recall the character from memory, it's better to use basically any other kind of recall memorization that doesn't involve the time-consuming process of actually writing out the individual strokes of the characters, or to wait until you know Japanese.

If you want better recognition of characters in the words you're learning, that time is better spent on Kanji recognition training, not recall or production.

If you want to learn to write Kanji, more power to you, go ahead and do it.

There is no reason to learn a time-consuming skill as a supplemental part of a larger skill unless you want or need to learn the supplemental skill in particular. Kanji writing is supplemental. The production of Kanji in the spatial sense, stroke by stroke, is not actually part of the Japanese language, and any benefits it gives are given much more effectively by more obvious and less time-consuming methods of study, until you actually know Japanese.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:52:01 2018 No.18314796

>>18314790
(Also mountain springs are often infested with environmental contaminants, and you're likely to get bad infections from that kind of water unless you purify it yourself... which is what bottled spring water does for you. If you don't want to support Nestle there are still other spring water sellers.)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:54:31 2018 No.18314803 I actually spend less than 10 minutes a day upkeeping 2400 writing cards. Not going to argue with you anyway, because the argument has been done to death plenty of time. It's alright if you never tire of it, but I'll go do something else.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:55:15 2018 No.18314808 >>18314803 Upkeep of a finished deck takes far less time than actually completing that deck.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 13:59:35 2018 No.18314822

Exactly, and I know I didn't stunt my learning Japanese by completing that deck in the first 2-3 months, not to mentioned I also learned a lot of vocabulary and grammar in that time.
So where is the big sacrifice of time? It's just like I said, it doesn't matter in the long run. You spent more time writing up that shit than I do my Kanji reviews. As for the meager sacrifice of time at the beginning, I feel like I got benefits from that I wouldn't have gotten otherwise and I don't have to convince you or anyone, because I have already done it all. Certainly won't get you anywhere either, arguing with me.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:05:27 2018 No.18314845

So I barely passed the JLPT in the summer of 2016 for N4 (92 out of 180). I've been on and off with japanese and I always try to stick to it but last at most 2 weeks or so. I've been wanting to get back to it after another break (1 month). Besides kanji, I also have problems with grammar in general. Especially after being inactive for so long.

Is it recommended for me to grab those N# books and start from the top? Take in mind that I went through 5 courses of japanese in college (enough to pass N4) so I am familiar with most of it but the lack of use and practice has me feeling like I would barely pass the N5 if I did it today.

I have several anki decks on my laptop and tablet (all accumulated). I also used Memrise, which was the most "fun" but also left behind.

So is it recommended to start using those materials again from the start, including stuff like Tae-Kim's guide and other materials?

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:06:03 2018 No.18314850

If you can't write Japanese you'll never know Japanese fully.

Why half-ass it? Aren't you guys in this thread because learning is fun?
Also, if someone ever finds out you are learning it they're gonna ask you to write something and all you can do then is say "I can't" like the beta you are.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:06:13 2018 No.18314852 >>18314845 Why don't you go back to /int/ ?

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:07:00 2018 No.18314858

Assuming it takes 5 seconds to write each kanji, and you write each kanji a total of 5 times during their spacing intervals to get them to 30 days apart (which is true with the default 250% ease in Anki, given its rounding of intervals to whole days), it would take a collective 133 hours to get every card in a 2400 card deck to a 30 day interval.

That's ignoring extra time writing the cards when first introducing them as well as any cards reviewed past their 30 day interval, as well as any time spent going between cards and reading their prompts, or shuffling paper around.

Those 133 hours could have been spent learning more words, reading more, or improving your quality of life.

133 hours of reading manga is something like 250 chapters (assuming 25~30-page chapters), more if your reading speed becomes faster than 30 minutes per chapter. 250 chapters of manga (at 6ish chapters per volume) is something like 40 volumes. 40 volumes of manga is enough to develop a basic literacy in the language no matter what your other study methods are, even if you're doing literally nothing else at all and go in with nearly no known words or grammar.

Those 133 hours you spent writing kanji were literally worse for your language ability than just reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:09:18 2018 No.18314868 Being able to handwrite in a language's most common writing system is completely unrelated to whether you know the language or not.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:10:58 2018 No.18314881 >>18314858 Damn, and I spent 600 hours in my Anki vocabulary deck. I imagine if I used that time to read instead I'd be fluent.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:11:20 2018 No.18314883 >>18314881 Yeah I gave up on anki at something like the 35 hour mark.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:11:41 2018 No.18314886 >>18314883 Well, are you fluent?

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:12:03 2018 No.18314887

>>18314858
>Those 133 hours could have been spent learning more words, reading more, or improving your quality of life.
>could have
But most likely they would have been spent procrastinating.
After X hours of reading, listening and anki I want to do something different, if it wasn't for writing I'd do nothing related to Japanese instead.

Calculations like these are just nonsense.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:12:26 2018 No.18314890 >>18314886 I haven't been studying Japanese for enough months/years to be fluent, so no.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:14:50 2018 No.18314901 >>18314881 (Correction: It's 200 hours, I accidentally clicked to see the whole deck which includes lengthy math and non-Japanese cards) >>18314890 I think the anon posting novel pages and a vocaroo link had the right idea.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:15:02 2018 No.18314903

>>18314887
>But most likely they would have been spent procrastinating.
If by "procrastinating" you mean "building skills other than Japanese, or improving your quality of life", then yes. Procrastinating is just a way to smear activities that you don't find interesting. Reading about medical history instead of doing math homework might technically be procrastinating, but only because one of the two activities has a deadline, and the other does not.

Most people who burn out in language learning burn out because they get stressed out and their quality if life is bad because they're doing crazy shit like unbinding manga and making crappy taped-together wallpaper out of it, or never going out and visiting the attractions in the location they're temporarily staying, so they feel like shit and want to give up on everything and go back to however their life was before they decided to stop living life like it matter.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:16:34 2018 No.18314913

>Calculations like these are just nonsense.
You're only saying that because they say something you don't like. You were perfectly happy to mention how few months you spent handwriting at the beginning, but now that it's broken down into hours you're defensive. Give me a break.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:18:20 2018 No.18314926 >>18314852 Never been there.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:24:54 2018 No.18314963 >>18314858 I started Naruto about a week ago and I'm at chapter 507 now. Mined some cool shit like 蟠り and 蟒蛇 I never seen before and some shougi terms like 飛車角落ち Still only mined like 40 words in total though, but I am somewhere around N2-N1 level.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:25:41 2018 No.18314965 Is starting reading with h-manga a good idea? I can't stand low quality scans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:26:01 2018 No.18314967 >>18314965 I started reading with doujinshi. Worked fine.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 14:26:18 2018 No.18314968

>>18314913
That was obviously a different as he talked about writing now, after getting bored of other things while I only spend my few daily minutes doing my writing reviews.

Want to hear a funny story? My father spends every day after work taking a 40 minute shit while I manage to take one quick 5 minute shit a day. That's 210 hours he lost on shitting in a year, which is less than I needed to complete that deck. Imagine my father used the time shitting to read Japanese instead, he'd be more proficient than both of us.

Really though, you can extrapolate all kinds of daily activities to insane amounts of time over a long enough period of time. Unless you actually have an objective way to measure whether learning Kanji 1 hour a day and reading for 2 hours or reading for 3 hours contributes more to proficiency, I don't really see any value in what you said, especially as my subjective feeling is that it helped me greatly.

>>	Maki Tue Jan 30 14:48:02 2018 No.18315045 All I do is watch Japanese wrestling..

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 15:02:08 2018 No.18315114 File: 2 KB, 288x135, knife.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18308876 It is the knife's after image

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 15:46:15 2018 No.18315318 File: 4 KB, 121x112, evengooglesaysfuckthis.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I'm guessing this one is a stylistic 心 ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 15:47:33 2018 No.18315325 >>18315318 yeah

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 15:48:53 2018 No.18315332 File: 7 KB, 462x267, .png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18315318 >>18315325 it's 必 retards and google takes it just fine

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 15:49:32 2018 No.18315335 >>18315332 yeah

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 15:54:20 2018 No.18315352 >>18315332 Thanks

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 15:58:13 2018 No.18315371 >>18315318

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:00:05 2018 No.18315382 >>18315318 >>18315371 Wanted to make a 米印 but I guess you can't post them on 4chan.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:10:48 2018 No.18315432

Has google translate been getting better?
すべての動物と同様に、私たちは最終的に天然資源に依存しています。世界にはあまりにも多くの耕作可能な土地があり、植物は最高の条件でも生産することができる食物だけです。私たちは植物栄養源の天然源よりもはるかに多くの食品を抽出するために、非常に有用な技術的ハック（肥料、高収量作物株、農薬、灌漑）を使用してきました。それでも限界があり、その限界は縮小しており、上昇していません。膨大な人口が腹を埋めることを可能にした同じ集約的農法は、すでに乏しい土壌や水資源を劣化させたり消耗させたり、温室効果ガスの総排出量の約25％
Like all animals, we ultimately depend on natural resources. There is only so much arable land around the world, and only so much edible matter that plants can produce even with the best conditions. We have been using a suite of very useful technological hacks - fertilisers, high-yield crop strains, pesticides, and irrigation - to extract far more food than can be produced with natural sources of plant nutrition. Even then, there are limits, and those limits are shrinking, not rising. The same intensive farming that has allowed our enormous population to fill their bellies is damaging our ability to grow food, by degrading and depleting already scarce soil and water resources and by contributing about 25% of total greenhouse gas emissions

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:17:30 2018 No.18315447 >>18315432 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2MsKQEvxpA Think it has to do with their google assistant improvements, they have to parse the langauge better. I see a lot of japanese google cms on tv lately.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:21:22 2018 No.18315465 >>18315432 >>18315447 >I see a lot of japanese google cms on tv lately. Like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dj4Oilf3fjs

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:34:05 2018 No.18315517 How are you supposed to know if it's 家うち or いえ? And similar with other kanji that makes a difference depending on how it's said?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:34:54 2018 No.18315524 Japanese is stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:35:07 2018 No.18315526 Is there a flashcard program I can use for practicing words, other than Anki? Anki is fine for the Core deck but I would want to have another one that I can just go through and practice with freely without any spaced repetition, just simple cards.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:35:51 2018 No.18315530 >>18315517 How are you supposed to know when the word "read" is read as "red" instead of "reed"?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:36:46 2018 No.18315533 >>18315530 Context. But うち and いえ have the same context.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:37:20 2018 No.18315536 >>18315530 Past tense ? ? ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:37:34 2018 No.18315537 >>18315533 read and read often do too

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:38:12 2018 No.18315540 >>18315517 Rule of thumb is うち when home, いえ when house. But often it doesn't matter much, you'll get a feel for it when you read more

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:39:27 2018 No.18315545 >>18315537 Post one example

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:40:25 2018 No.18315548 >>18315545 I read a lot

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:41:10 2018 No.18315549

>>18315537
Not usually. Chronological tense usually is present to dictate which is going on and how to read it. < note you obvious say reed there because of the tense.
>>18315540
That's definition, not based on how you pronounce it when you come across it.
家に帰りますwill be the same either way and just depends on which they actually mean.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:41:45 2018 No.18315554 >>18315549 perhaps in narration but never in dialogue or speech

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:42:12 2018 No.18315556 >>18315548 In this situation both are correct. I red a lot implies you also reed a lot.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:42:40 2018 No.18315560 >>18315556 no, either one can be true while the other is false >I red a lot implies you also reed a lot. it doesn't

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:42:52 2018 No.18315561 English is stupid

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:43:47 2018 No.18315562 >>18315549 >how to read This is an infinitive and infinitives are tenseless. Learn yourself basic grammar.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:44:13 2018 No.18315565 >>18315560 Its still a rather unique situation that isn't really comparable. Outside of 1 line sentences without context which makes up absolutely 0 of any real world examples, you will know how read is read.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:45:45 2018 No.18315571

>>18315565
How did you know how to read it?
It's because I read a lot.

either pronunciation is completely acceptable
if it's actually a difference between past and present tense, and there's no nesting of the verb inside an infinitival phrase or auxiliary, the only things to go on are tense consistency (which isn't a thing in speech) and words that indicate aspect (which speech tends to avoid)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:45:54 2018 No.18315573 >how does this confusing thing in Japanese work? >WELL ENGLISH IS STUPID AND CONFUSING TOO SHUT UP! And I remember why I don't come here anymore.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:50:39 2018 No.18315589 我が家田中さん家田中家 Can you get them all right? 我がや田中さんち田中け

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:52:17 2018 No.18315595 >>18315589 i hate this language

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:53:29 2018 No.18315604 >>18315589 Who thought this language was a good idea?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:59:13 2018 No.18315623 >>18315561 True but not as stupid as Japanese >>18315595 >>18315604 That’s exactly what I’m saying.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 16:59:41 2018 No.18315627 >>18315589 The first one can also be pronounce わがいえ so yes I did get them all right.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:03:28 2018 No.18315640 >>18315589 >田中さん家 >田中さんち Dude I am entirely sure ん家 is an abbreviation of の and doesn't attach to さん , correct me if I'm wrong

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:04:24 2018 No.18315641 >>18315640 It is definitely written as さんち・さん家.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:14:32 2018 No.18315670 what is the difference between 尊大 and 偉そう ?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:15:01 2018 No.18315671 File: 69 KB, 450x253, f36bf6e9.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18315589 all but the last, forgot what this show taught me

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:22:33 2018 No.18315704 >(<30%) retention rate today I want to die

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:23:26 2018 No.18315706 File: 412 KB, 1541x383, 20180130_162249.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Why though?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:25:11 2018 No.18315712 >>18315704 Make sure you're using true retention.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:28:31 2018 No.18315729 >>18315712 I don't use Anki, but I had like 230 cards due and came out with like 190 failed first recalls for the day. more like 140 if you don't count the mined words I forgot in a matter of hours.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:33:28 2018 No.18315748 >>18315729 Dude, <30% is just unreal. I don't even get below 80% without reading Japanese and watching like 1 episode of anime a day. I'm assuming you just started and skimped out on doing reviews.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:34:16 2018 No.18315752 File: 138 KB, 350x398, ar.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18315706 (ずっと)

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:36:13 2018 No.18315764 >>18315752 Like it's how it's pronounced. But why would you write it that way. Literally why would you write lyrics that way. Fuck this DEEP shit, this is not how writing works.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:36:44 2018 No.18315768

>>18315748
I don't skip reviews, but I don't know if I'd call it "just started either", I'm at 3k words in and I went from 15/25 words a day to 40 to like 50-70 the past couple days. I might go back to 40. I can't remember some kanji I saw only like 5 days ago or even their vaguest meanings.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:37:05 2018 No.18315771 Got through all of Genki 1 and 2, workbooks included (but not audio), and I still don't grasp grammar. Should I quit? I feel like I'm at the same plateau all those baby redditors are at.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:38:14 2018 No.18315775 >>18315771 What part of grammar? Most isn't actually all that hard. If it's some small things like periodically misusing で or something or just not knowing how てforms work, it's just a matter of reading more

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:40:58 2018 No.18315795

>>18315764
It's pretty common isn't it, I don't get the confusion about it. Sure, it's unconventional in terms of what we're used to but it's not a hard concept to wrap your head around.

>>18315768
Sorry man, I don't know what to tell you.
Personally I probably didn't have a day below 80% after passing like 2k words, maybe you should try consuming more Japanese? Or do Kanji study.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:43:07 2018 No.18315808 >>18315795 >Its pretty common Literally where.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:46:40 2018 No.18315840 >>18315808 I don't know man, it just pops up from time to time and of course people on DJT seem to keep bringing up as a point of confusion when the furigana doesn't match the Kanji. Something I can think of spontaneously is 天空(そら) in 蒼い鳥。

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:49:10 2018 No.18315856

>>18315771
You should consume native material instead of learning grammar rules, then refer back to your books when you don't understand something.

You don't learn grammar by brute forcing a table to your brain, it just comes naturally when you use the language to read and listen.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:50:00 2018 No.18315866

>>18315840
Yeah stuff like that is "common" but no less stupid.
I get that it's supposed to be poetic or whatever, yeah so cool the written meaning means something totally different than the spoken version, but it's still retarded. Especially when those kanji don't actually feasibly have that reading.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:50:29 2018 No.18315873 File: 26 KB, 491x217, trueret.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18315712 Just got that add-on after you mentioned it, is this a good percentage?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:53:56 2018 No.18315894 >>18315873 Something wrong with those stats. Post your graphs.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 17:56:43 2018 No.18315907 File: 66 KB, 745x532, objective review.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] I love reading Japanese reviews of Western games.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 18:04:09 2018 No.18315941 File: 190 KB, 670x1119, graph.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18315894

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 18:10:55 2018 No.18315970

>>18315941
This is all kinds of fucked up.
You did 1000 new cards in 3 days and didn't review them on those days. Why don't you actually say what you did to land in that situation, you quit at some point and now started again with Anki? Anki stats are obviously pointless with whatever that is.
As for retention, below 80% isn't good in the long run. 80-85% is OK. 85% - 90% is where really most days should be and I think that is where most people in the intermediate score most of their days. 90%+ is optimal.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 18:28:19 2018 No.18316027 I know some posters here have access to Japanese ebook libraries, and I was wondering if any of you would happen to have decent quality scans of からかい上手の高木さん volume 7.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 18:37:11 2018 No.18316054 おはようおにいちゃんたくあんたべたい

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 18:53:04 2018 No.18316117 >>18315589 I got the first two correct but I'm not sure if I've ever even seen the third one before.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:01:12 2018 No.18316163 >>18316117 おそうしきがあるとかいてあるよ

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:05:44 2018 No.18316178 >>18316117 Have you heard of the manga/anime Minami-ke? Same usage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:06:45 2018 No.18316184 >>18316178 I haven't, is it any good?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:06:54 2018 No.18316185 >>18316027 Ask in the next thread and if someone does respond within the next 24 hours, I'll rip the ebook version myself and drop a link.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:15:26 2018 No.18316220 >>18316184 It's a good example of comedy slice-of-life, if you like that sort of thing. I haven't read the manga so I can't say what difficulty level it is, but SOL is typically on the simple end of the spectrum.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:17:28 2018 No.18316229 >>18316185 Thanks.

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:18:35 2018 No.18316234

>>18316178
Years ago I look a couple of free introductory Mandarin courses and the teacher used a fan translation of みなみけ to provide examples for things. Amusing to see it, considering the officially stated course material was some random Chinese 101 book. Chiaki can't save a gross language, though.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:25:09 2018 No.18316265 >>18316220 >but SOL is typically on the simple end of the spectrum. dumb meme forced by those who don't read

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:25:47 2018 No.18316268 >>18316265 Yeah I find comedy adventures to be the easiest to read. The more cozy the less likely I am to be able to tell what's going on based on context.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:30:07 2018 No.18316295 >>18315768 Why the absolute fuck would you do 50-60 or even 40 with that low retention?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:33:29 2018 No.18316319 >>18316295 because 4 years is way too long to become comfortable with this hellish language and i dont have the luxury of a cruising pace

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:34:19 2018 No.18316326 >>18316265 I'm confused. Are you saying SOL is typically difficult?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:34:29 2018 No.18316327 >>18316265 I'm reading a romance manga atm, furigana for literally everything.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:35:04 2018 No.18316338 >>18316326 SOL is typically in the square middle of the spectrum.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:36:43 2018 No.18316353 >>18316319 What you're doing is obviously not going to make you good at Japanese any time soon. Read more instead of wasting time failing cards in Anki.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:37:38 2018 No.18316361 >>18316353 im using a mining deck, reading has had almost zero impact on my retention

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:38:57 2018 No.18316370

Reading Yotsuba I came across this:

1) Y:ほら着いたぜえ
2) D:ついた？どこについた？
3) Y:どこってせりゃおまえ

1) Look! We've arrived.
2) We've arrived? Where have we arrived?!
3)"where?" ??? Your...

The last phrase has me a bit puzzled. I understand the father is quoting Yotsuba's question "where?" (which as I understand it the って addition is responisble for) And ends the sentence with "Your (new home)" which Yotsuba interrupts so he only gets as far as "おまえ/Your".
What is せりゃ though and what is it there for? The only thing I can find is 糶りゃ for "welcome" Making it something along the lines of:
""Where?" you ask? Welcome to your....".
Is that right?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:40:22 2018 No.18316374 Somebody recommend me a manga that has both furigana and good scans.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:43:50 2018 No.18316389 >>18316370 It's そりゃ. そりゃ is an abbreviation of それは https://hinative.com/ja/questions/184213

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:44:02 2018 No.18316390 >>18316370 it might be そりゃ slang since that manga was full of it last i read it, which is それは

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:50:39 2018 No.18316425 >>18316374 to love ru

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:52:39 2018 No.18316439

>>18316361
>4 years
There is not a single language on earth that requires this long to get to a basic level in. Practice daily, expose yourself to the language as much as you can pushing your comfort zone.
Instead of your subbed anime shit, watch it raw. You'll probably spend a total of 3 hours on that 25 minute episode going back and forth between translations trying to decipher what is being said, but at least that way you are actively learning the language instead of pretending to learn it by watching it subbed.
Switch on Jap radio if you listen to the radio in the car or at home.
Browse a bit of japweb. etc.etc.etc.
Expose expose expose.

Sitting down burning yourself out on anki cards is going to get you nowhere, they are a tool to help you learn words, a means towards an end, not an actual goal in and of itself.

Does it help knowing the 6k anki words? Yes, very much so. Is solely ramming in the 6k words at breakneck speeds the right way to get there? Absofuckinglutely not (unless you are a savant and can memorize all the words after a single glance, but then none of the regular leanring methods apply to you anyway :^))

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:56:57 2018 No.18316463 >>18316389 >>18316390 Ya, I feel like an idiot now, spent the last hour trying to figure it out, and it all boils down to me misreading it. I swear to god it was a せ and magically turned into a そ only after you pointed it out. Thanks anway though.

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