DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1875

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread designed by and for those interested in traditional otaku media such as anime, manga, light novels, Japanese video games, etc.

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[Anonymous No.]

>草 appears in vocab
>snort because I already knew it thanks to social media

[Anonymous No.]

今日も一日がんばるみょん～

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>>18183116
>no link to the previous thread
>most of the warnings are gone
But why?

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>>18183234
they were needlessly aggressive anyway

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Previous thread: >>18164209
Take it easy!

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What's the difference between お弁当を私は公園で食べた and 私は公園でお弁当を食べた ?

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>>18183263
the first one sounds hella dumb

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>>18183246
let me guess, someone quoted them at you

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Do you guys use any dictionary app on your smartphone? I'm using Takoboto which I like because it allows you to search in either language, has a Kanji search where you specify the radicals you recognize, and also gives example phrases and tells you how a word is usually written, but I was wondering if there are alternatives.

Also, if a word is 'usually written' using kana alone does it make sense to learn the Kanji at all? My chrome plugin usually automatically makes flashcards with the Kanji regardless of frequency of use, not sure if I can change this easily .

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>華麗に流した

Which sense of 流す do you suppose this is DJT?

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>>18183325
Post the previous page.

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>>18183332

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>>18183325
it's something like https://thesaurus.weblio.jp/content/%E6%83%85%E5%A0%B1%E3%82%92%E6%B5%81%E3%81%99

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>>18183325
>>18183343
"play it off"

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>>18183234
The last thread was a complete shitshow not worth linking.

>>18183272
Aggression invites aggression. These threads could use a bit of chill.

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>>18183351
>>18183354
サンキュー

[Anonymous No.]

>see a new word
>write it down, learn what it means and how its read
>comes around in my deck
>one of 3 things happens
>1. Can remember what it means, but can't remember how to read it (very common)
>2. Can remember how to read it, but can't remember what it actually means (rarer, but not uncommon)
>3. Simply acknowledge that its not a new word, but I can't remember anything about it (rare enough, but that it happens at all seems bad)
>1/50 chance of a 4th thing: I genuinely remember what it means and how to say it but that's only if it was a super easy word or something
Is this normal or is there some issue with my process? After I've reviewed it a few more times it usually sticks, but getting it from freshly learned to decently known/recalled has been troublesome

[Anonymous No.]

Finally a good OP, thanks!

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>>18183411
That's perfectly normal, that's why mining decks exist

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>>18183411
>2. Can remember how to read it, but can't remember what it actually means (rarer, but not uncommon)
happens all the time to me

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i asked about this earlier,
but I see 塗ります being used now and i dont get how its tense makes sense. doesnt it require progressive tense? just saying "to paint" doesnt make sense when paired next to a line drawing, or does it?

https://www.tanoshiijapanese.com/dictionary/conjugation_details.cfm?entry_id=42779&element_id=55897&conjugation_type_id=5

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>>18183516
You're really confused about how tense works. Just ignore it until it starts to click.

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What do anons like to listen to as background noise? I was looking for a fun talk show or something, but most of what's in the guide is either just music or region blocked.

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>>18183604
I listen to vocal doujin music other than touhou arranges.

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>>18183303
>Do you guys use any dictionary app on your smartphone?
Aedict3
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=sk.baka.aedict3&hl=en
>but I was wondering if there are alternatives.
There is a free version. It has less features and isn't quite as fancy but when it comes to J-E dictionaries, it does the job.

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Is it more comfortable starting to read at 1k words, or should I wait to be at 3k to start reading?

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>>18183632
Finish Core 10k and reading will be a breeze.

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>>18183632
The consensus here is that it gets more comfortable at 3k.

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>>18183632
fuck off

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>>18183632
Start whenever you want, earlier the better. mining vocab and reading is more effective at learning the language than core decks.

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>>18183632
Honestly senpai if you start reading before 20k you're wasting your time.

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>>18183632
There's no reason to learn anything before you start reading. Just start reading.

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>>18183670
How can you start reading if you don't know any words or grammar? That makes no sense.

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>>18183674
How do children learn languages? Do you think they study grammar or vocab specifically?
I don't agree that it's efficient to read without knowing anything at all, but it's definitely possible.

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Please stop getting baited like newfags.

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>>18183686
They do so over more than a decade, with constant reinforcement from their parents and teachers. Adult learners don't have the benefit of all that time and help.

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>>18183609
same here

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>>18183704
That's why you hang out in bars and talk to Japanese people. It's going to take you a decade to get any good either way.

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>>18183751
How did I end up on reddit?

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>>18183704
Reinforcement doesn't help language acquisition.

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>>18183674
>Pick up a children's book
>Picture of a fish
>魚
>Picture of a red square
>赤い
>Picture of a red fish
>赤い魚

And it just keeps going like that

Remember, you learn from input that is mostly comprehensible, that's what n+1 means

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>>18183829
Does anyone know where I can watch spongebob in Japanese dub? Streaming, torrent, ddl or otherwise?
Seems like a good way to improve my comprehension.

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>>18183632
I started at 700 words. Go with whatever you feel like, but remember that reading is the best way to learn.

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Just kidding ;)

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>>18183604
cabin view train cams, little to no music.

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>>18183248
>didn't reach 1500 posts
>can't even learn japanese
The eternal string of fuck ups continues.

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>>18183976
Why are Japanese learners such cucks?

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>>18184132
Yes MASTER, your tea is ready!

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>>18183976
I can vomit a detailed rant about how stupid that post is but I'll just say "Fuck that shit"

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>>18183604
I rip the audio from anime i have watched

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>>18184173
why though, japanese nowadays tend to not say 家内 anymore for this exact reason

[Anonymous No.]

I am making an Anki deck for learning kanji, based on Heisig's RTK method. What's special about it is that the kanji and primitives are fully cross-referenced in static html files, so just by clicking you can see all the corresponding stories by keyword or by kanji. I recently also added kanji readings and word examples.

I eventually intend to re-sort the kanji to push off the least useful/frequent ones towards the end while maintaining dependencies (for example 升 should come before 昇 since it is part of it). Because the full cross-referencing establishes dependencies between kanji/primitives/radicals, this should be easy to accomplish programmatically.

Link here: https://hydra.bacontoast.org/f/jikan/

Any thoughts/suggestions on how to improve it?

It's all open source btw. For the source data check out `mnemonics.txt` in
https://hydra.bacontoast.org/f/jikan/tree?ci=trunk&type=tree&name=jikan/data

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>>18184173
Do it in Japanese.

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Just finished my first VN, it tooks quite some time to get familiar with the grammar, it was a giant hurdle for me.

I kinda want to read a manga now for a change, but manga are easier grammar wise am I right?
I'm afraid my grammar skills will degrade if I read manga for too long.

Is that a reasonable fear or is that bullshit?

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why is the kanji for house a pig with a roof over it

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>>18184270
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/comments/5d1os7/kanji_learning_deck_with_full_crossreferencing/

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>>18184272
ファク　ダット　シット　？

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>>18184275
that's retarded. all exposure is good exposure and cementing the """"basics"""" will only do good things, just don't dwell on manga for 5 years olds forever.

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>>18184284
>If you spent 1/10th of the time you spent messing about with cataloging and cross-referencing all of this stuff, and instead spent that that actually studying Japanese, you'd be fluent by now.

owned

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>>18184275
it's just different japanese really, at least grammar-wise
sometimes some long-ass sentence with multiple clauses is more easy to read than some random manga speech bubble

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>>18184282
Pig -> food -> eating under a roof with your family

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>>18184308
I don't know why redditors keep coming to these threads.

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>>18184275
Worry not. Consume media. Learn Japanese. See Europe. English Euphoria. All input.

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how many months until i can watch my animu in japanese and draw a benefit from it

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>>18184506
Zero.

The only way to git gud at X is by doing X

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>>18184512
I get your point, but surely you can get good at understanding japanese media by reading and studying vocab?

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I kinda have trouble associating a kanji to its meaning when leaning vocab, will this get better with more exposure or should I pick up KKLC or something on the side?

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>>18184539
Imo KKLC will help a lot initially, but you should also do fine without it.
Just try it out man, there's a mega link on the resources page.

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Why are vowel sounds sometimes dropped or slurred when pronouncing a certain character? As an example, the su in Asuka, it becomes pronounced Aska rather than Asooka.
Is this something that just comes naturally with experience of speaking, is it an accent thing, or is there some rule to it?

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

こおるかもとかいったけど

ざんざんぶりになった

めいる

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Starting to read NHK Easy, let me know how I did.

> アメリカと韓国は、毎年２月から３月の間に一緒に軍の訓練を行っています

> Evert year from February to March, America and Korea perform army drills/training together.

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>>18184672
>* Every

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>>18184672
u did ok

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>>18184270
むいたあと

たべないほうは

殻

だね

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>>18184662
自閉症児

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DJT I got a problem.

I took a long break from anki and I want to get back.
The thing is I got like 1.3k reviews to do and I only remember like 40% of them, so just forcing my self through them at once won't work.

Any idea how to solve this without spending several hours on that everyday?

Whats more effective, doing 250 reviews everday and hope that they go down some day or only do 150 and do a cramming session afterwards?

Keep in mind the retention is around 40% right now.

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>>18184862
Suspend any new cards and put a review limit (as much as you want, between 100 and 250 probably). Reset any cards that you completely forgot

[Anomynous No.]

Hi can I get a text and translation for this kanji?

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>>18184920
no

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Can people sometimes use pronouns to be sarcastic/mocking? I was watching something where a built dude was mocking another character and he used 僕. He never referred to himself after that so I couldn't hear if he used 俺 or 私, but it was incredibly jarring to hear him say 僕.

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>>18184920
>>>/wsr/

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>>18184927
>>18184963
nvm i got it thanks for nothing

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>>18184959
Re-reading this, I probably explained it badly.

The guy said something like "I guess since you're such a wimp then I'll have to go easy on you", and he used 僕 when saying 'I'. He wasn't imitating the character, just mocking him.

[Anonymous No.]

うっうー

あーめー

ゆきにならないかなあ

[Anonymous No.]

I bet if there were a pokemon/gacha game where instead of collecting pokemon/cute girls/whatever you collected jouyou kanji, I could actually learn them all.

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>>18185041
Kickstart it

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>>18185041
This is the power of autism

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>>18185041
That's incredibly stupid.

This is why you're bad at Japanese

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>>18185041
But would each kanji be a cute girl?
Would there be h-scenes to teach you how to form words from said kanji?

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>>18185091
>水 used water gun!
>It's super effective!
>The opposing 火 fainted!
It's obviously genius anon.

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>Tfw you finally finish the Nihongo shark kanji deck tomorrow after 3 long years
Thank you jesus. Thank you so much. 2200 kanji finally recognized.

tfw still another 3k to learn if I wanna see more complicated stuff
kill me

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>>18185163
Holy shit I hope you didnt overwork yourself with 2 Kanji per day.

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>>18185163
>3 years
>0 Japanese learnt

wew, sure is reddit in here

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I haven't done shit in two whole weeks due to being ill and feeling like shit, and now I can't find the drive to get back on track again. I'm still ill which I guess doesn't help.

Someone slap me.

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>>18185194
You shouldn't need to be slapped.

Don't you enjoy media/books in Japanese? If not, why the fuck are you learning Japanese?

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>>18185182
>>18185190
Nah I just dropped the language for about 2 years but for some reason I kept getting urked to do my reps every day non the less just incase I ever wanted to come back.. I would have finished within 3 months (I did 23 new a day) but didn't add any for a while.

I'm about 1.7k words into core10k and been doing 50 new cards every day to catch up on my lost time and I've been holding up pretty well.

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>>18184282
会意。「宀」（＝やね）＋「豕」（＝ぶた）。家畜を屋根でおおって飼育する建物の意。

Get the Kojien EPWING dictionary from the CoR for future reference.

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>>18185216
Damn, nips calling their own family livestock.

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>>18185214
So you """know""" all the 常用漢字 but aren't even 2k into core

[Anonymous No.]

Post your Japanese-related new year's resolutions.

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>>18185194
this >>18185209
there has been barely a day where I didn't want to do something japanese related, even if it's just watching animu and pretend it's learning

sometimes I unironiocally don't even know what else I could do and get bored as fuck

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>>18185234
I started early November.

Plan is 1000 kanji, 2k words, and Tae Kim memorized by July.

Stretch goal is mining for the rest of the year and hopefully reach N3 level.

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>>18185209
I was in a habit before and didn't need slapping but I fell out of it.

There are I things I want to read and listen to in Japanese, but those things are above my level right now, so I've been forcing myself through other things which I honestly don't really care much about instead. Honestly, the struggle to find interesting things at my level had really become quite tedious for me at the point where I broke off before.

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>>18185234
go for N1

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>>18183625
This actually looks extremely similar to Takoboto, which is free. I'm sure it has more features but the resemblance in layout is uncanny.

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>>18185234
Not exactly a new year's resolution, I waited until 冬休み to finally start vocab
I don't plan on stopping anytime soon

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>>18185194
あいしてる

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>>18185233
I said "recognized" kanji stupid boy.

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>>18185163
>>18185268
>>18185214

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>>18185234
comfortably read

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>>18185268
I said """know""" stupid boy.

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>>18185282
I didn't understand the importance of Vocab when I FIRST FIRST started learning and crashed because of it

>>18185289
Suck my cock

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>>18185163
>>18185301
Before trying to learn Japanese you should at know the proper use cases of the quote feature and the spoiler tags.

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a reason to use 成る overなる ?

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>>18185393
pretentiousness

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How do I git gut at listening?
I have tried to look up even basic/beginner level listening content and even with that I only am able to pick out a few words here and there. Sometimes I can get the gist of what's being said, most of the times I'm just wanting to pause/rewind because they talk so damn fast. And I legit don't even know a lot of the words they are saying, and some of the verbs I can't reverse-conjugate them in real time while still comprehending the rest of the sentence.
At least with reading I can be and old-as-fuck man and progress through a text at a snail's pace, but with reading I can't unless I constantly pause and rewind the same sentence 43 times. Help

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>>18185422
do it more, use subtitles at the same time

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>>18185422
Read VNs, but listen to every voiced line before you lay your eyes on the text.

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>>18185396
Do all words usually written in kana have a kanji equivalent?

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>>18185442
from what ive seen, yes, some are almost never used, some are "usually" which means youll see them still and probably get stumped

naru seems to be close to that "never" used, but probably has a role in a grammar form somewhere that uses it, i have it in my deck for some reason with the kanji because of that iirc

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>>18185451
Alright, thanks. Guess I'll add it to mine as well, if I ever come across it I'll look for an explanation then.

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>>18185442
Not all of them.
>>18185451
成る is not that rare, and in certain compound verbs like 成り立つ the kanji version is actually common.

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>>18185422
10,000 hours of listening

There are no short cuts

[Anonymous No.]

I'm making a rikai clone: https://forum.koohii.com/thread-14904.html

Tell me what to do please.

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>>18185108
2k cute girls, 6k h-scenes, the mind boggles.

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>>18185301
>I didn't understand the importance of Vocab
How? What? Why? What?

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>>18185234
Read real literature.

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>>18185422
Do you like any form of Japanese music? Listen to that a lot, and then look up the lyrics in Japanese. Watch a lot of content, anime or live action (ignore anyone who says that using anime for listening practice will ruin your Japanese), and try to not look at the subtitles and heat what words they are saying. Preferably watch something you have seen before so you know what is going on and can focus on listening. Also, if your reading comprehension is still slow, that means you just have to give yourself more time reading to become faster. The ability to more quickly process written Japanese will aid your ability to become better at processing audio. I just watch a lot of anime, listen to music, and play a mobile game because those are easy, fun things I can do to practice. I like classic movies from the 50s, too, but those take more attention than anime to closely listen

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>>18185234
1 volume of manga per day
It's not going very well. But I'll do it, no matter what.

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>>18185615
What manga are you reading?

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>>18185547
PM nukemarine and do whatever he says. He is, after all, the #1 Japanese language learning expert

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185615
Good luck, anon! Stay strong.

[Anonymous No.]

Day 4 of dropping writing, my retention is barely noticeably worse.

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>>18185630
>Nukemarine studies for 9 years
>Still beginner/low-intermediate level
>His rabid followers will never even get that far

It's sad to watch

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>>18185694
This is why we need to remove the bullshit parts of the guide.

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>>18185623
Tons, I'm bad at finishing series. I suppose I need to read more "plot-based" manga as opposed to comedy/SoL/episodic stuff. Lately I've been reading 寄生獣, からかい上手の高木さん and 少女終末旅行.
>>18185636
どうも

[Anonymous No.]

My listening is very poor at the moment. Can anyone recommend anyways to improve it or a podcast my level. Ive just finished Genki if that helps

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>>18183411
>Can remember how to read it, but can't remember what it actually means
this actually happens to me a lot, i don't know if I should be marking them as 'good' but I have been
it feels like if I keep seeing it a ton the meaning sticks but I can't remember most meanings on their own, but I can remember how to read them

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>>18185769
You only know something if you can read it aloud and understand the meaning

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>>18185752
Theres no secret just listen more. You aren't going to understand a lot of shit at first, and that's ok, just find stuff you can still enjoy even with shit comprehension.

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>>18185739
I think you should read whatever keeps you turning the pages.

[Anonymous No.]

>be white guy from north america
>want to master japanese and go to japan
>want to either get a career in japan or meet a cake and waifu her and stay in japan or move back north america
is there any hope for this or is it a dead concept?

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>>18185824
You'll need more of a plan than that, but yes. You can't expect to use your magic gaijin powers to magic up a living and a waifu, you'll be just as autistic over there, although the higher background levels of autism here help.

Plus affirmative action is awesome.

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>>18185801
well like I said, after I learn to read it usually the meaning just comes along with it
and some words have easy meanings to remember its usually the much more bland stuff like 獲得 that i cant remember the meaning of

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>>18185824
>master japanese
Not necessary. True alphas do business in Japan without knowing anything except konnichiwa. Ex: Bill Murray, Logan Paul

>Career in Japan
Hmmm, sure is a good idea to try to break into a highly competitive, stagnant economy where you need to spend twice as much time working for a lower wage than you would get paid in America

>Wife
That's actually doable but if you bring her back it's going to be all on you to bring home the bread, good luck having your wife with broken English start any worthwhile career in the states.

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>>18185866
>where you need to spend twice as much time working for a lower wage than you would get paid in America
living the dream

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>>18185866
>That's actually doable but if you bring her back it's going to be all on you to bring home the bread, good luck having your wife with broken English start any worthwhile career in the states.
As if having a stay at home wife raising the kids isn't what most guys actually want. Who the fuck wants a career woman, who waits until her eggs are shrivelled up to give you a kid who comes out either autistic or full on water-head. Asian households are balanced and is what the West should go back to.

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>>18185694
>9 years
I did not have a great impression of him, but wow. How many times has he restarted core6k in a different order? Doesn't he use jdrama immersion cards or something?

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>>18185897
>the kids
There's your problem. In seriousness, more than two sounds like a mistake, one is probably best, but you do you.
>Who the fuck wants a career woman
Ambition turns me on.

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>>18185897
>Asian households are balanced
Japanese households are only balanced because fathers don't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185914
>Ambition turns me on.
Oprah best girl

>>18185921
Its not like they're black

[Anonymous No.]

DJT - Japanese Sociology

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185897
Raising kids in the US 1st on a single income is pretty difficult. Plus the cost of raising kids keeps going up.

And Japan's households are so balanced.... that's why most young women there are choosing careers over motherhood, right?

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>>18185914
>Ambition turns me on
Maybe the ambition to raise proper kids and maintain a proper household. You probably have homosexual tendencies if you want a woman who succeeds the same way a man succeeds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185937
>And Japan's households are so balanced.... that's why most young women there are choosing careers over motherhood, right?

That's probably because most japanese men are beyond omega.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185937
>And Japan's households are so balanced.... that's why most young women there are choosing careers over motherhood, right?
The reason they choose careers is because, same as in the West, they wrongly get coaxed into joining the workforce by government lobbied by private companies, because it creates twice the disposible income, and twice the taxable population. But surveys over te past century say women have never been as unhappy as they are today, mostly because of this unfulfilling lifestyle. A balanced society is one that follows the gender norms established by nature, not on that denies the reality of nature and social evolution.

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>>18185926
I mean in the sense that they're not present in the household. They provide money for the household but their wives and kids don't talk to them. Japanese households are shit festivals.

>>18185938
My desired woman can tear apart shielded magical constructs with the power of her mind and hijack military aircraft by being in the general vicinity. On a scale of 0 to 10, how gay is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185949
Lol not even going to argue with this tier of delusion

[Anonymous No.]

I can't figure out how to add the images to the deck, could someone help? I'm on the 2.1.0 beta

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185961
Okay then, why don't you enlighten us as to why, suddenly and abruply in the 60s and 70s, did most women decide to join the workforce when they didn't have that desire beforehand and were quite content in raising families and maintaining households, which is what they've always done historically and internationally, across any cultural line.

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>>18185961
>delusion
Not him, but it's a pretty well studied phenomenon m8, in fact it's the biggest debate on abenomics atm
>>18185981
You can just copy and past images directly onto the card.

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>>18185985
>You can just copy and past images directly onto the card.

I downloaded the pack and it says something about adding {{Sentence-Image}} to the bottom of the back template, but when I do it just says unknown field or whatever and then doesn't actually display them on the back of the card.

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>>18185995
Ah, what deck is it? And my guess would be you're missing a capitalization or the dash or using the wrong brackets.

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>>18185949
Everything you said was right, all up until "gender norms". There is no such thing as gender norms. Men can stay home while the women work just fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186005
Following the steps in https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html, the part where it actually tells you how to enable the images is pretty vague or intended for the older version of Anki, I'm using the Core 2k/6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary deck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185949
>>18185961
>>18185983
>>18185985
Can you guys have this discussion somewhere else? /int/, maybe? They have a DJT and a Japanese thread and either of them is a significantly more appropriate for this discussion than here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185983
>suddenly and abruply in the 60s and 70s, did most women decide to join the workforce
I see you've received a quality education

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186013
Copy exactly what you have on the back template of your note to here and i'll take a look at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186011
>There is no such thing as gender norms. Men can stay home while the women work just fine.
So it's a coincidence that women have always had the same role throughout all history, across all cultural lines, even societies which had no communication with other societies? I see you drank the liberal feminist Kool Aid, which is ready to deny history and science to suit their marxist agenda.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186014
Well this is a board for discussing Japanese culture, and we're discussing the cultural shift happening in Japanese households.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186023
>throughout all history, across all cultural lines
wrong, take it to /int/ where people won't disagree with you

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186028
In what culture that reached beyond a triabl scale has that not been true?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186026
>Well this is a board for discussing Japanese culture
It really isn't, and it never was. That was /int/ from the beginning. Japanese culture is only on-topic in so far as it affects the the subcultures that house everyone's bullshit hobbies. オタク論, not 日本人論.

Plus you guys aren't even arguing about Japan anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186015
You're probably too young, but most people who were born in the 80 and before that had grandmothers who never worked their whole life, staying at home and raising kids. I know feminists have done a good job erasing history, but you should read up a bit more for yourself and not only listen to your liberal arts classes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186032
He doesn't have an answer to that, or else he would have given it in his smug, ignorant reply.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186021
https://pastebin.com/EmE5izi9

and back preview just looks like pic related, in actual use the bottom part is just empty.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186034
My mother was an engineer. My grandmother was a physics teacher. My grandmother's mother was a household weaver. My grandmother's mother was a concubine.

What exactly is this supposed to demonstrate?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185836
>>18185866
Is there any demand or anything in either country for some gaijin who is fluent in both eigo and nihongo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186044
>https://pastebin.com/EmE5izi9
It needs to go between the div tags, but other than that wherever you like. Try placing it in the line below the stroke diagram perhaps.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186033
>All images and discussion should pertain to light and visual novels, figures and other otaku paraphernalia, Touhou Project, Vocaloid, doujin works and music, and diverse niche Japanese interests (kigurumi, idols, mahjong, tea).
This conversation was about wifing a nip woman, which is certainly a niche interest related to Japan.

[Anonymous No.]

This is a Japanese language learning thread.
Please go shitpost in the general vicinity of Japanese expat boards if you're just going to talk about what life in Japan is like.

[Anonymous No.]

Monthly reminder that if you ever miss a day of anki you'll never become Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186034
>anecdotal evidence over the historical fact that most women have always had to work, first as gatherers, then in agriculture, and then switching to wage labor during the industrial revolution

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186054
Marriages is not an "interest", but even if we assumed that it was, the discussion very quickly ceased to be about marrying a Japanese woman and started to be a general debate into Western social developments of the last 50 years.

This is "what are some games where you X" levels of off-topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186061
>most women
Wrong

[Anonymous No.]

WHY THE FUCK CANT I MINE CERTAIN WORDS IT JUST GIVES ME A SHITTY ERROR CODE THATS GIBBERISH AND GOOGLE ISN'T GIVING ME SHIT REEEEEEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186072
don't mine into core, mine into a mining deck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186056
How the fuck are you averaging 18 minutes a day? How many cards do you have?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186066
I don't see you complaining when people are in here asking about how to get a girlfriend, or asking if anons have ever had one and if they're still virgins. Why are you being so selective in your thread policing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186052
It still says the same unknown field thing no matter where I put it :/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186075
I am but it still isn't doing shit . I followed the guide to the T and still nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186078
>I don't see you complaining when people are in here asking about how to get a girlfriend, or asking if anons have ever had one and if they're still virgins.
I report these posts when I see them.

In fact this entire thread should just be burned out of /jp/ and you entire lot of riajuu should just be made to fuck off to /int/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186076
it means most days he barely studies but opens anki and does some cards

[Anonymous No.]

メイド様よ、もっと上に読みてください
お願いよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186085
>In fact this entire thread should just be burned out of /jp/ and you entire lot of riajuu should just be made to fuck off to /int/.
Couldn't agree more. I wish the mods would act on that, making the pertinent people go to /int/ and making threads thrive of actual Japanese conversation, and the autists go back to /r/learnjapanese where they belong.

[Anonymous No.]

i have 1k more words in but it doesnt say so for some reason

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186076
That's my core6k deck, finished it a while ago so reviews on that deck usually take like 2-3 minutes a day now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186128
Ever feel you'll be able to let it go someday, or are you terminally addicted to Anki? What point are you waiting to reach before stopping, if you do plan on stopping?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186079
Sorry not sure, sounds like they didn't configure their tags right though. I used a 10k from ankiweb, but it seems like they deleted most of their content and its not there anymore I can try and export it to MEGA for you if you want. It has pictures/audio/sample sentences etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186140
That'd be great, whenever you have the chance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186154
looks like it'll be 10-15 minutes till its done uploading. I'll link it to your post when its finished.

[Anonymous No.]

visual novel deck when
not the one someone posted on reddit, that one isn't good enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186154
>>18186158
https://mega.nz/#!hLBRFZDD!X1QfRmlIzumI-e5uuJF-6LYCHqo0CgKKBiXtDhdcD60

You'll probably need to disable the card types you don't want to use(different ways of presenting information). I only use the recognition type. You do this by going into the deck browser, selecting and suspending all cards, then typing Card:Recognition, then unsuspending all of them.

[Anonymous No.]

How much of a big deal is 100% mastery over hiragana/katakana?

I've got pretty much both of them down, but I still fuck up a lot of the very similar ones like
> れ わ ね
> シ ツ
just as a few examples but there are some others too

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186216
Those problems go away when you start reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186216
It's a big deal, but it's something you'll pick up on your own as you read things. For similar ones try drawing them, by paying attention to stroke order it becomes a lot easier to tell them apart

[Anonymous No.]

Are you actually supposed to be able to read the more complicated kanji, or just make assumptions based on the less complicated kanji and context.

Shit is literally just a blurry blob with a general shape that could match 1 of 10s of different kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186233
The key is breaking it up into radicals. But yes, especially at first when you're shit you'll mostly be understanding it from context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186233
As you go along you learn to recognize kanji from the context and their general shapes. I doubt there are many upper-intermediate levels who wouldn't be able to read/recognize 躊躇, for example.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186248
Well like on 4chan its fine, but on certain other websites or on a lot of lower res manga pages you literally cannot distinguish the lines from one another.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186163
The best visual novel deck is the mining deck you make yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186286
The best visual novel deck is a visual novel

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186213
Thanks Anon, I got it set up and am trying it out, looks like all the card fields are working and that, except it's starting me with words like scientist, and dentist (which I was able to guess the meaning off from my radical study but still) is this the intended order?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186340
If you go into the fields section of the card you can manually select which field you want to order it by. The optimized order seems a bit odd at first, but thats because it builds up example sentences and tries to have as few new words in the example sentences as possible. I think CoreIndex is the conventional ordering if you want to use that instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186340
>and dentist
Don't forget to avoid fluoride in order to improve your retention rate!
頑張って！

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186286
we at least need to replace core 2k/6k for people refuse to start with mining

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186370
>>>/int/84082182

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186365
Ahh, I see, that's useful thanks. I'll stick with this "optimized" system and see where it takes me.

I'll try to stop asking dumb questions but I just have a couple more if anybody could answer them, if I have a deck with a ton of suspended cards, how can I take one partical type of the suspended cards and create a custom seperate deck with them (in this case I want to take the "Kanjify" versions of the cards and use that to make a recall deck)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186390
The eternal leaf strikes again

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186270
I guarantee what you're thinking of is at least 10x more legible than what natives are expected to be able to read

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186394
Tools->Create filtered deck
Then you just type deck:"Deckname" fieldname:"field value" in the search

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186404
酸化マグネシウムがよめなくても

こまらないし

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186421
ネタバレがはやぇんだよこのバカ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186404
maybe, but its still annoying and makes me question how its supposed to be legible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186469
That's obviously 誕生日. Did you just start learning a week ago?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186483
Obviously, based on context and the other kanji.
But actually being able to read 誕 from that blob is beyond me, which lead to the initial question.

I can read it, but I can't actually tell what the kanji is without knowing it before hand. And honestly they could have just put a circle there and I'd of read it the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186488
Do you drink tap water from time to time by any chance?

[Anonymous No.]

https://youtu.be/A2vjDQHhlEw?t=2h5m23s
So there's this japanese youtuber I've been watching for about a year to get some language practice and to have some background noise when doing my daily Anki and the other day he was streaming Demon's Souls so I thought I'd tell him thank you for helping me learn japanese since I watch his channel all the time. Unfortunately I can't figure out what he said to me in the stream since my japanese is still not so great. I think he asked what my original language was and that I should be careful listening to his dialect? Could someone more fluent tell me exactly what he's saying to me? I'd really appreciate it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186469
what you posted would qualify as illegible if it didn't have 生日

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186494
>Three and a half hour video
>What does this guy say to me
How about pinpointing when in the vid hes talks to you? I've played enough Demon Souls in my life, I don't need to see someone else playing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186511
>2h5m23s
4chan breaks the time bookmark

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186503
Actually on it's own, I can recognize 廴 and 言, and 誕 is the only kanji containing the two in those positions. Maybe it's the fluoride, it's usually the culprit when you feel you have fuzzy analysis capabilities.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186511
>>18186518
Yeah, it's at 2:05:23. I forgot 4chan doesn't play from the timestamp.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186531
Its easy to say you recognize something being there after you already know what you're looking for.

Is it that hard to admit that small text is not exactly kanji friendly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186494
You tell the guy ''thanks for helping me learn Japanese'', even though after a year of watching him, you still don't understand what he says? That's fucked up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186531
you should be able to solve this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186546
That's the point, you should know the kanji before going out and reading stuff willy nilly. People here usually recommend waiting until you're at 3k words before reading comfortably, and also to avoid tap water, since fluoride deposits on your pineal gland can affect cognitive functions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186494
He just says to be careful learning from him since he doesn't always speak standard Japanese and then he starts committing sudoku in game

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186566
>Missing the point
>Trying to talk about other people's intelligence
Its easy to find the sniper if you're told where to look in advance. But if I just show you this picture and tell you to find him you'd be clueless.

Obviously you can say
>well I can see X and Y
because you already know what the end kanji looks like, if you didn't already know to look for 廴 and 言 you wouldn't of thought those blurs were, but since you already knew what it was, thanks to the other kanji, you knew where to find them.

Hence you missing the original post because you felt like being a smug asshole.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186562
Looks like のみち, could be wrong though. Kana is harder, since it has less hints to give when it's written in squiggles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186580
Don't reply to Canadians

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186579
Not him but what word does he say at 2:06:06 right before "normal language"? It was the only thing I couldn't make out

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186580
>But if I just show you this picture and tell you to find him you'd be clueless.
I'm good at riddles. He's the guy holding the camera!
>because you already know what the end kanji looks like, if you didn't already know to look for 廴 and 言 you wouldn't of thought those blurs were, but since you already knew what it was, thanks to the other kanji, you knew where to find them.
That's bullshit. 言 is really fucking obvious and is often found on the left side position. 廴 is obvious because the last stroke is clearly depicted. It's not rocket science, and you can deduce that kanji without seeing the 生日. You'll see one day, don't worry to much about it for now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186587
Stop flagposting on a flag-less board you cancerous cunt.

[Anonymous No.]

おなかすいた

なっとうごはんたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186579
Thank you. It's reassuring to know my japanese isn't completely terrible.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186606
There's literally one shitposter who does his best to derail every jp thread and he's an autistic Canadian. I bet that's you

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186640
Rude. I help derail these threads too and I'm not Canadian.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186640
You should spend more time discussing subjects, like Japanese learning and fluoride, and spend less time discussing and gossiping about people. I think you're derailing the thread more than this ''Canadian'' boogeyman you're going on about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186660
Be more distinctly autistic and I will add you to the list

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186665
Standing out is a bad idea when you're trying to shit up a thread, so I'll take it as a compliment.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186679
It doesn't matter on a flag-less ID-less board. Anyone in this thread posting could be the Canadian. Maybe you are. Hell, maybe I am.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186593
ん？
「俺は日本語を習う、君のチャンネルから。日本語が難しい。助けてくれてありがとう！」
いいえｗｗちょっとぼくはあの…
あの、たまに、日本語にもね、あの、ああこれ方言ってなんていうんだろう？英語で。
あの...
日本語（ｶﾞｼｬー）ね、きょうｔ...共通語とｗｗｗ
...な、なんだろう。
コモンランゲージ (common language) とローカルランゲージ (local language) がある、的なことでいいのかな
ちょっと方言があるので気をつけて
ちょっとスタンダードじゃない日本語を使うときは...
ローカル...ディ...ローカルディア、ディアレクト...読めねｗ。
（ｱー）（ﾑｵｵー）
...ダイレクト(dialect)。ローカルダイレクトで、「方言」なの？へー...そうなんだ。

couldn't make out what he said when the cart crashed （実は？）

[Anonymous No.]

Are you seriously just supposed to start doing Core where it throws vocab+reading at you all at once? It doesn't seem right to not actually learn what the character is it or what it means and only learn words that use it and the reading contained within that word and context...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186744
なかなかいいエサだな

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186744
Did you learn the original meaning of every Greek and Latin word root when learning English word? Because this is what you're advocating when saying you need the kanji meaning in order to learn words. Natives usually learn that shit through regular schooling, but foreign learners never need that in order to learn the language. It's a huge time sink and doesn't bring you closer to using the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186759
IMEを使わずにエサの漢字を書ける人、はい挙手！

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186759
Someone doesn't hold his pineal gland in high regard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186759
フッ化物を飲めない！

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186781
【悲報】ワイ、漢字でエサが書けないことに気付く

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186810
>フッ化物
wwww
At first I thought you were making a pun with the word "fucker" -- I will never forget the Japanese word for fluoride thanks to you.

[Anonymous No.]

When writing do the stroke order matter? or is that just for learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186830

yes, they matter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186810
>平成30
>化学兵器戦争に備えて少しずつ耐性を身につかないやつ
やれやれ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186844
Thanx <3

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186850
Yeah I'm sure every drooling idiot with a calcified pineal gland is going to be well prepared and useful in such a scenario.
>>18186825
I remember it because it uses the same kanji as 化け物, and together with the フ makes it the F-monster, which is what it is in the water, lurking in every kitchen faucet, waiting to destroy lives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186877
塩素について赤いピルを飲ませてくれ

プールで水泳って長期間自殺行為なの？

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone remember that name of that site where you can play a bunch of emulated visual novels? I want to say they were pc-88 stuff, but that might be wrong because that is just the only old nip computer I know about. Anyways, they were all old looking visual novels.

[Anonymous No.]

Taking Japanese 1 this semester, been watching namasensei prior to the class he's the bomb. This is my syllabus's course objectives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186695
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.]

どうやって二千漢字を早くに勉強しますか？日本のゲームを分かることが出来たい。ひらがなとカタカナが分かります。いくつか基本的な漢字を分かります。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186920
ふゆは泳がないんじゃないかなあ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186922
>29 kanji
What the fuck I hope you aren't paying thousands of dollars for this class

I also hope not replying to bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186922
>Taking Japanese 1 this semester
no you're not, and put that bait back where you found it before someone bites

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186922
>29 kanji
>instantly production with "passage" is this normal? im guessing its not going to be much more than は～だ tier shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185234
I will go with my resolution from last year, finish 3 VNs. Although I didn't read anything last year, so it was a failure.

How many LNs are the equivalent of a VN?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186920
>塩素について赤いピルを飲ませてくれプールで水泳って長期間自殺行為なの？
A lot less chlorine, or fluor*de for that matter, pass through the blood-brain barrier it's absorbed slowly through skin. However, ingesting these presents many dangers that have been proven. This isn't even debatable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186938
I am paying...When I saw that on my syllabus, I was like.."what, only 29?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186944
fuck im too tired to be formatting

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186945

I just read a VN that took me like 3 hours and I suck.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186791
I got a gland for you right here m8 *unzips pants*

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185234
To grasp a good understanding and read at least 1 isekai light novel

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186921
asenheim

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186966
I don't drink cum unless it was passed through a Brita water filter®

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186975

Thank you, sir

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185234
become emperor of japan

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186978
Not so fast cowboy!
>It is noted that BRITA cartridge is not designed to remove fluoride. While naturally occurring fluoride is present in fresh water, some cities and water companies add sodium fluoride or hydrofluorosilicic acid to their water.[7]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brita
You've been had by the フッ化物の猶太!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186929
Japanese people study kanji drills from their childhood

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186989
I guess that means you can drink my cum straight from the source.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186989
when you think of fat as in fat-cats that word stops being ateji

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187012
I actually think of fat drunk beasts in order to remember it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187024
家族思いは素敵ですね

[Anonymous No.]

Damn, beginning to think I should have gone with Japanese studies instead of computer science . Could probably be done in a year if I could learn Japanese full time instead of dividing my time, especially looking at how barebones it seems to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185234
Gonna kill myself, this time for sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186938
I just checked my uni's program and they don't even start to learn kanji until Japanese 3

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187349
>Damn, beginning to think I should have gone with a degree that gets me nothing instead of a degree that gets me something

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186469
Sometimes you can't. If it's a somewhat common font you can attempt to break it down. Don't know how people deal with handwritten stuff though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187397
No you won't you coward.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187448
Anon, please. Neither of those degrees will get him anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187700
looks like 加算時間 and 待ち時間

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185615
More ambitious than mine. Mine is one volume per week on top of my regular studies. Doing good so far but there's still a lot of time for my to fuck myself over.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18183976
But wives belong in the home

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186985
Good luck in the upcoming election man. Ganbatte ne.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I sort core2k by optimized index or normal index? What's the difference?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186469
It's legible because the writer expects the people reading it to know Japanese. Even being the shit level I am, I can see it's 誕生日 because I see the 言 radical and the top stroke of the 正 radical.

>>18186488
>I can read it, but I can't actually tell what the kanji is without knowing it before hand.
>without knowing it before hand
Every single person has learnt that kanji in school. It's ASSUMED everyone knows it beforehand. It's not like it's some super rare hyougai kanji.

[Anonymous No.]

おなかすいた

ほっとけーきたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

彼は故障冷蔵庫を交渉した

Is this sentence correct? I'm trying to remember the diference between 故障 and 交渉 since I keep mixing up the readings, but I don't really want to memorize an incorrect sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187829
Just make a shitty mnemonic or something like "Oh!, it's broken" and "Oooh shit, peace negotiations fell through."

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187840
That's what I'm trying to do with that sentence. I even throw in 冷蔵庫 for free.

On second look there clearly should have been a の in there.

彼は故障の冷蔵庫を交渉した

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187829
ぶんぽうは

かんぜんに

あってる

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187829
交 has the same onyomi as 校 (as in 学校, which is one of the first words you learn).

If you can't even remember the word 学校 after a few days, I would just give up. Not even trolling.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187871
彼は故障の冷蔵庫について交渉した is better

[Anonymous No.]

彼は胡椒をかけて故障した高尚な冷蔵庫の呼称について交渉した

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187929
Since he's having trouble with long/short vowels, I doubt that'd be much help for him.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186632
まずい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18188188
ケチャップだとたべやすくなるよ

ケチャップの味しかしなくなるけど

[Anonymous No.]

>>18183263
Virtually identical sentences. Remove 私は and the sentence will sound a little bit better

[Anonymous No.]

>>18187710
On what board did the"CS degree is worthless" meme start? I've literally never heard or read that anywhere, from anyone, besides on this website. A bachelor in Japanese is actually worthless

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186929
>日本のゲームを分かることが出来たい。
forced production never

[Anonymous No.]

Is wanikani deck good?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18188627
No KKLC

[Anonymous No.]

>>18188504
/g/
it's not a meme either, every degree is worthless to an extent, and CS manages to do a horrible thing by feeding you from a mixed bag of candy, where you only learn a tad bit from every selected area, meaning you could've spent your time better on learning a few selected topics instead of going shitty-jack-of-all-trades

[Anonymous No.]

>>18188504
>>18188685
This meme started on /sci/ actually, people there hate on CS because it's far from being an academic field unlike what CS graduates think.
Anyways both /g/ and /sci/ are fucking terrible right now

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>>18186929
I wanted to learn for the same reason as you, but the simple answer is that it takes a while since even simple games have lots of complicated words. But the best way to learn these things is by doing them. Even if you know 2000 kanji there'll be lots of words you won't understand in your average game.

Ideally you should probably start with a game that has furigana or voices. I'm currently playing through Digimon Adventure and Tales of Phantasia X for PSP (the former has furigana and is nearly fully voiced, the latter has no furigana but is almost fully voiced and has a game script available). I've also imported Tales of Vesperia for the PS3, which also has a translation guide available with side-by-side japanese and English text.

I found it helps to have a kanji mining deck for games like these since they reuse a lot of words that you might not find everywhere. Words like 進化 or 精霊 you probably won't hear in everyday conversation but you'll hear 'em tons of times in these games.

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>>18188685
>>18188714
Well thank you for informing me. Every person I know who went CS or CE and worked hard/got internships landed a good job right out of college, so it's always sounded like the kind of thing that butthurt "muh Linux, muh open source libertarian beard guy" /g/ basement dwellers would come up with. And if I'm going to be speaking anecdotally and relating this to Japanese, the two people I've met with Japanese degrees who actually know the language did have jobs that were not barista tier, one at a Japanese computer in the states and one at an anime publishing company.

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>>18188685 #
>>18188714 #
Well thank you for informing me. Every person I know who went CS or CE and worked hard/got internships landed a good job right out of college, so it's always sounded like the kind of thing that butthurt "muh Linux, muh open source libertarian beard guy" /g/ basement dwellers would come up with. And if I'm going to be speaking anecdotally and relating this to Japanese, the two people I've met with Japanese degrees who actually know the language did have jobs that were not barista tier, one at a Japanese company in the states and one at an anime publishing company in Tokyo

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How are long trilled rs written out in Japanese?

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>>18188714
To be fair cs is essentially just engineering but for software.
Technically there's a lot of math and a path for heavy academic research, but 99% of grads just need to know how to do basic coding and where to plug in the formula.

Upper level cs is basically just a branch off math though. Which is why a large portion of cs profs have upper level math degrees as well

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>>18189012
There are no trilled Rs in Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

Are you going to stick around to help the newfriends once you become fluent?

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>>18189017
Rolled, trilled, elongated, I dunno what the word is for it

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>>18189020
I stick around to mislead the newfags even though I'm fluent.

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>>18189012
がんばっれ
>>18189017
Maybe not in Standard Japanese.

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>>18189023
Either way it's not part of the standard language.

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>>18189031
And yet some natives still use it. Curious.

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>>18186056
Coming back after giving up half-way through feels awful.

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>>18189041
At least you know now to never do that again.

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>>18189037
Most of the natives can't even do it.

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>>18189050
I fail to see how this is relevant. It still exists, and it can still be written. If you want to tell him not to use it, that's another subject entirely.

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>>18188926
Neither CS or CE are bad to land a job, far from it actually.

>>18189015
Yeah academic research in computer science is overwhelmingly math but the vast majority of undergrad students don't end up following this road.

Anyways this is really off-topic, time to drop the subject and back to 出来ない-ness

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a version of Core 2k_6k Optimized Japanese Vocabulary which doesn't have sounds or images? I wanted to use it on my phone.

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>>18189205
Whats stopping you from using it on the phone with sound?

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>>18189229
Well, nothing. I just thought it would be quicker to load into the deck.

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>>18188926
The thing about CS is that if you're talented enough to get into the course, you're talented enough to get any job you want considering there's a decent sized entrance gap, the degree (although this sort of goes for everything except certain engineering ones) is just a small motivation pusher.
A CS by itself will never net you an actual job, but if you're talented enough to persue getting into CS, chances are you're talented in other ways and have a motivation for yourself to learn more by yourself.

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音楽を遊ぶ correct or should it be 音楽をする ?

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>>18189257
Find a different board for this discussion.

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>>18189205
https://mega.nz/#!FcxhRa4Q!7uOFeU4UDE5xd1lHNtIHY5aMfkwVsLQ29ax-rEGskm8

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>>18189205
You could just download the normal deck and remove the fields

[Anonymous No.]

how is 受取 used?
my tools all say "receipt" but i dont see it used as one in a game I play. It seems more like "receive" such as receiving quest completion goods.

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>>18189269
音楽を弾く

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>>18189280
Thank you kind anon.

[Anonymous No.]

heh

im terrified of what politics will come during olympics

[Anonymous No.]

Once you are done with 6k, do most people move on to mining decks exclusively? I'm about 4k words in so I'll be done with it in a few months.

[Anonymous No.]

> start "picking up" my 1/3 of kana i learned
> see all that kanji...

well... I am still at start, but its nice that not everything is moonrunes now

[Anonymous No.]

皆のお気に入り基本ソフトは何ですか？

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>>18189334
I kept going with core, and I plan to start on my mining deck once I'm finished with that. It's a tiny bit more cumbersome to mine this way, since I have to check whether or not it's a word that will show up in my core deck by the time I'm done, but it saves me the time of mining those 4000 extra words in the end.

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>>18189269
play -> 演奏（えんそう）する
play an instrument
　-> piano:ピアノを弾く（ひく）
　-> guitar:ギターを弾く
　-> drum:ドラムを打つor叩く（たたく）
　-> flute: フルートを吹く（ふく）
listen -> 音楽を聞くor聴（き）く
compose -> 作曲する

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>>18189269
>>18189393
btw. you need to watch pic related if you haven't already

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>>18189295
受取 is a noun and means "receipt", but not so commonly used. 領収書（りょうしゅうしょ） or レシート are more common. 受け取る is a verb and means "recieve", you said it.

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>>18189393
There's also 奏でる

[Anonymous No.]

how difficult Japanese is in Touhou games?
Thinking about re-reading all in-game text and official manga(s)

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I'm new to reading. The kanji words can be kind of a bitch, but the ones really giving me difficulty are long ass hiragana strings.
I don't know which of them (and how many) are words, which are particles, and which are okurigana. And I don't know how to look this up in a dictionary, short of trying every possible combination of hiragana and omitting the ones that might be particles; and even still I can't dissect it to come out with anything that makes sense (running it through an actual translator gives something really different to anything I'm finding by trying to define the words in a dictionary).

Wat do?

[Anonymous No.]

how can I say 'bad drawing'?

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>>18189538
Not very difficult, here's a sample:
>　　土はぬかるみ、氷で覆われた大地から有象無象が目覚める。
>　　幻想郷を覆った僅かな雪は、この冬目覚めた地霊達を封じ込め、
>　さらに妖精達の動きを鈍らせるのに十分だった。その穏やかな眠り
>　の季節も終わりを告げようとしている。
It's all on Touhouwiki too, so you can use Rikai if you want.

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>>18189585
ty for info

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>>18189325
俺も。自分のことを「真面目な記者」と読んでいる奴はほとんどゴキブリだ。実際に問題があろうがなかろうがあいつらは感覚論と宣伝のために嘘を出しやがってる。
俺だってロリコンが大嫌い、でも例えばロリコンとか、オタクメディアとかについて西洋の報道メディアは相変わらず大げさな事を言いながら日本の民主文化を見せびらかすべきものにする。無残だ。

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>>18189547
Here is the example in question if that helps explain what I mean
>みんなさんも気付いてたでしょう?

And my effort to read it:
>みんなさん
easy enough, everyone
>も
also easy, mo particle
>気付いて
dictionary helped me find that its a verb "to notice", and from there I see its command form (but for some reason it doesn't use the 付 in the dictionary, a hiragana instead)
>たでしょう
Still not really sure desu. Google translate says its "probably" but I can't figure out what its supposed to be derived from since its just a shit load of hiragana

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>>18189626
気付いてた is a single thing

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>>18189626
>みんなさん
correct
>も
correct
>気付いて
correct
>たでしょう
いた (as in ていた) plus でしょう

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>>18189626
rely on rikai less, it has a fixed number of conjugations it detects and てた isn't one of them
https://github.com/birtles/rikaichamp/blob/master/extension/data/deinflect.dat

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>>18189626
As for advice, I think the main thing that will trip you up at this point is conjugations, so keep reviewing grammar guides until you're better at identifying them.

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>>18189643

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>>18189643
>>18189645
I don't know what rikai is. But I've actually never seen てた as a conjugation in anything I've read so far (which is admittedly not much, but still). Is it like a past-tense command form or some shit, where they just add た to the end of the て conjugation, or is it something else entirely? I can't even find that particular inflection in jisho's whole list of them.

I think I'm just more lost now because >>18189631 and >>18189638 's only served to confuse me further on top of not recognizing the conjugation to begin with. And both seem to suggest contradicting things and thew new word (ていた) is another one I can't find anything about (unless its some neutered command form of てく?)

I don't get this shit at all

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>>18189680
that's not an inflection, that's it incorrectly using a different word altogether

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>>18189683
ている -> てる -> ていた
use a grammar guide that actually covers this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18189691
sorry

ている -> てる -> てた

equivalent to

ている -> ていた -> てた

[Anonymous No.]

>counters

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>>18189691
>>18189696
I think it must be a really advanced concept or something I'm confused as hell and maybe I'm just too new to get it right now. I've never seen anything like it and I don't understand the conjugation in any way and it just contradicts every conjugation I've learned to date. Is there a guide that covers this? I'm certain I never saw this when I went through tae kim's guide.

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>>18189720
ている being shortened into てる should be considered really basic. I have no idea if it's covered in Tae Kim but it was definitely covered in the guide I used.

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>>18189723
would you mind sharing the guide?
I unironically have never heard of ている before this chain of posts

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>>18189688
It doesn't take a genius to figure out from that information that 気付いてた follows the same conjugation as 付いてた, which is shown to be past form of 気付く using the te form. All anon has to do then it look up the te form and てた. The very first result in Google for「japanese te form "てた"」is a stackexchange page which goes over this very thing.

Not fucking rocket science.

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>>18189750
If I tell you its name people with its name on alert scripts will get mad at me. It's somewhere in the resource guide in the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the difference between と and で when it comes to saying "and" with nouns/na-adjectives?

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>>18189760
>で
>and
What? Example please.

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>>18189754
hence "rely on rikai less"

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>>18189768
Straight from tyler kim
私の部屋は、きれいで、静かで、とても好き

[Anonymous No.]

>>18189771
Rikai provided the exact information required for anon to find the answer himself. Why are the most obtuse anons in this thread also the smuggest? Maybe autism impedes the ability to think laterally.

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>>18189784
nobody who doesn't know what てた is would assume that 付いてる and 気付く can be smashed together, and if they did, they would have a very bad time with very simple things just trying to reason them out
you just fucked up and moused over 付く instead of 気付く without realizing it, get over it and stop posting

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>>18189782
Those で don't mean "and", they're listing reasons. It's like the て form of だ in a way.

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>>18189750
>>18189759
It's called Sakubi and the relevant lesson is here: https://sakubi.neocities.org/#enduring

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>>18189800
So it's more like し than と?

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>>18189804
Sort of.

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>>18189808
I think I get it. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

この薬を飲んだところで、風邪がすぐ治るわけじゃない。

is there any indication this example sentence is in first or second person?

i read it in first person but the english was second.

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>>18189828
There's no personal perspective there. The first sentence can be translated into second person but really it's just a generic condition that could be applied to anyone subject to it.

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>>18189802
>Sakubi
Fuck off with your shit guide.

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>>18189962
it's like poetry

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>>18189963
It's not a good guide.

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>>18189984
there are no good guides

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>>18189986
Tae Kim is fine a to the point. It's better and more effective than Sakubi, therefore there's no reason to recommend Sakubi.

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>>18189992
read the thread

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>>18189782
Its not listing reasons, this で is linking sentences.
For i adjectives and verbs(most) its a lot more obvious, because they use て. Nouns and na adjectives use で as their て form, same with verbs like 泳ぐ.

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>>18190022
The function of listing embedded sentences in this context is that of listing reasons, just like it is when you use し.

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>>18189986
fi you want to get the gist of japanese and start reading you read TK, if you want grammar terms you read imabi
there's no reason to read sakubi

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>>18190078
read the thread

[Anonymous No.]

>>18189707
>>18189680
>>18189369
read
the
thread

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>>18189992
>>18190078
I will never understand the appeal of TK desu
Every part of the guide seems to try too hard to over complicate things to a fault, and yet its hailed as THE guide to get right into japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18189993
>>18190090
>>18190106
>REEEEEEad the thread

[Anonymous No.]

When you get mad at someone for posting a link that correctly explains something someone was confused about, the problem is you.

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>>18189802
thanks anon and sorry you are getting crucified for posting it

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>>18190117
>TK
>over complicate things

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>>18190183
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/should

very much over complicated

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>>18190117
The reason you don't understand what makes Tae Kim good is the reason why the guide you wrote sucks, Sakubi. I'm sure /r/learnjapanese would like it though, they love superfluous mediocre resources nobody asked for.

[Anonymous No.]

is there an easy way to flip all of a decks cards so I can see the answer only and guess everything else

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>>18190212
Yes rtfm

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have a recommendation for a relatively simple action VN? Basically a VN that has a decent amount of fights in it along with descriptions of the action (e.g. not Muv-Luv). I want to read Fate/Stay Night in Japanese one day but I don't want to just jump straight into it, I'd like to get practice with something similar and easier to read first.

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>>18190198
and what about this is complicated? personally I think it's about as straightforward as it can be

[Anonymous No.]

Is there one singular event that has spawned more shitposting than Sakubi writing a Japanese grammar guide?
Can't talk about anything nowadays without being accused of being Sakubi or some other nonsense like that. After all, if you don't like Tae Kim, you're literally Sakubi.

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>>18190231
>if you don't like Tae Kim, you're literally Sakubi.
Pretty much. Kind of like how everyone in Negan's team is literally Negan.

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>>18190231
The Sakubi defense force arrived.

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>>18190183
>hey guys so in the first part of the guide we covered hiragana and katakana
>I know you guys are new to the language since this is a brand new beginner's guide to japanese so your head is probably hurting and you are probably having some trouble remembering the hirigana/katakana
>don't worry though we're going to ease you into the grammar now that we're done with that
>just kidding, fuck you, we're shitting a bunch of kanji down your throat right away and using them in the very first grammar lesson
>what's that? hiragana/katakana are still difficult for your and this is meant to be a quick consise and to-the-point beginner's guide?
>well fuck that, eat those kanji right now, you literally CANT learn how to put だ at the end of a sentence without them
>Okay so I know I was a bit rough on you last lesson with 3 new kanji, but it was important and it was only 3 so now we can do the next lesson too
>...but first here's 14 more new kanji, memorize them as they are imperative to what I'm about to teach
>also we're pairing these 14 kanji up in various ways and using them to overcomplicate the lesson on tenses and negatives, this is a beginner's guide so we won't use something like ねこ to make this easier for a beginner to get the hang of, it must be 友達
>also don't forget all of your hiragana/katakana, I know its hard to remember them because we're spamfucking you with new kanji already, but this is a beginner's concise guide to grammar, so kanji words and very important to know right away and distract you from the fundamentals we're teaching
I've not even got 3 lessons into the guide and its only serving to make me hate the language and feel like an idiot that can't possibly learn anything

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>>18190231
>After all, if you don't like Tae Kim, you're literally Sakubi.
if you're shilling sakubi you're sakubi

and it's not a question of either or
if you don't like TK there's also Genki, japanese the manga way or some other grammar book, maybe something in your mothertongue, if you aren't a native english speaker............ and then there's also sakubi, which goes to shit whenever it tries to explain something on its own

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>>18190222
There are two senses of "supposed to" or "must".

One means that the speaker is convinced of something, like "Oh, the turkey must be done (because the timer went off)".

The other means that it be unrighteous for something to be false, like "you must do you homework". Japanese distinguishes the two senses. Placed at the end of a statement, はず and べき express conviction and righteousness, respectively.

はず acts like a noun, so you'll also see はずだ, はずですよ, etc.

べき also acts like a noun.

There are alternative forms of べき. べく expresses something like "in trying to" and acts like a conjunction. べからず expresses something like "must not" and also acts like a conjunction.

When you attach べき or its variants to する, you can optionally replace する with する's ren'youkei, し.


Shorter, more accurate. Tae Kim is perfectly usable but please do not pretend that it is not flawed.

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>>18190253
Genki is garbage and your post is invalidated by including it as an alternative.

[Anonymous No.]

desu all sakubi needs is an editing pass by someone who's fluent and not deeply autistic. they don't even have to be a good writer. in fact being a bad writer would be better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190251
well, it's not TK's fault that you're retarded and get mad at having to learn japanese when learning japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190251
This is how you learn the language though. TK even states this at the beginning and it is true.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190253
>if you're shilling sakubi you're sakubi
I have no intent to defend a guide I've never read, but you all look fucking insane to me whenever the subject comes up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190283
What bad would it do to use furigana instead of straight kanji?
How does insisting on kanji usage benefit the reader of a _grammar_ guide (read: not a vocab guide)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190254
>more accurate
>When you attach べき or its variants to する, you can optionally replace する with する's ren'youkei, し.
This is wrong. すべき is the correct form.

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>>18190254
a guide should be able to convey an actual feeling for the usage of certain terms, this is essential for language learning
shorter doesn't mean better

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190301
Using kanji makes it easier for a beginner to distinguish particles and verbs. The point is to understand the concepts behind the grammar. It's true that TK could be formatted better to include the small furigana though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190318
My bad I'm thinking in classical grammar for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190320
tae kim does exactly the opposite of conveying an actual feeling of these terms

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>>18190251
Yep, you're an idiot. Not because you don't know Japanese, but because you think a grammar guide should be slow-paced for the sake of your lazy ass.
EVERYONE keeps telling you to learn kana (at least hiragana) BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, TK even has a WHOLE section about it. Go learn them right now dipshit.
Next you're complaining about having to face unknown kanji. Just what do you think will your next 5-10 years of study consist of? Do you think studying kanji isn't an integral part of the language? Do you think learning kana for a year will magically make you fluent? Not to mention he gives an extensive list of ALL vocab at the start of each SUBsection.

You have the best of the best available resources for free, a choice between any of the current best methods to learn and facilitate retention yet you're still complaining about arguably the best entirely free guide out there being too hard. Fuck you, get off your lazy ass.

[Anonymous No.]

Why did you respond to the same post multiple times?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190251
You know there are mouseover readings and meanings for every single word in the guide, right? If you're not using core, you could make cards from TK vocabulary to alleviate this issue. If you are using core, you could push them forward with a mass suspend and selective un-suspend.

You're overreacting to being exposed to somewhat real sentences instead of extremely contrived examples about cats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190349
>You're overreacting to being exposed to somewhat real sentences instead of extremely contrived examples about cats.
Tae Kim is full of extremely contrived sentences, anon. You don't know Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190275
I don't get mad at having to learn japanese. I just am new to learning language in general (japanese is my first other than my native language) so I can't easily handle that level of massive input as a complete beginner, and be expected to not only retain the information but also comprehend it all. It seems like a ridiculous expectation for a new learner. If not having hiragana/katakana 100% memorized and mastered by the time I've finished reading the last word on the respective sections of the guide makes me retarded, then I'm retarded. And I can't be the only one.

>>18190283
That's so subjective though. What works for one person doesn't necessarily work for another.
TK's statements at the beginning completely baffle me anyways. He criticizes textbooks for not using kanji because they scare away new learners, and then not 3 lessons into his guide it demonstrates a perfect example of exactly how they can scare new learners away.

Contrary to the common opinion, I do not believe that
>a) Any human being that is 100% new to japanese, can read through the entirety of TK's guide from start to finish and leave retaining and understanding it all
>b) TK's guide is legitimately intended for a complete beginner at all. It seems much more well-suited to someone who has a decent understanding of the fundamentals and wants to learn the rest, or is looking for a refresher.

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>>18190301
Personally, I wish the translations were hidden so that my eyes wouldn't gravitate to them. If there were furigana, I would want them hidden until I mouseover, and oh, hey, look, that's practically how it works already. I may be wrong, but I suspect you'll feel much differently about it when you actually have some experience.

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>>18190291
because it's a shit guide that will discourage future learners, at least a lot more than TK or some other ressources
I'm not saying TK is flawless, but it's the much safer choice

it's painfully obvious that the sakubi guy doesn't know shit about teaching, he doesn't give students room to develop their own concepts and images of how it works, he either forces his (autistic) way or goes fuck you

>>18190338
he doesn't

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>>18190370
>he doesn't

>We will now learn how to say what you want either by just coming out and saying it or by making discreet suggestions. The major topics we will cover will be the 「たい」 conjugation and the volitional form. We will also learn specialized uses of the 「たら」 and 「ば」 conditionals to offer advice.
>You can express verbs that you want to perform with the 「たい」 form. All you need to do is add 「たい」 to the stem of the verb. However, unlike most conjugations we learned where the verb turns into a ru-verb, this form actually transforms the verb into an i-adjective (notice how 「たい」 conveniently ends in 「い」). This makes sense because the conjugated form is a description of something that you want to do. Once you have the 「たい」 form, you can then conjugate it the same as you would any other i-adjective. However, the 「たい」 form is different from regular i-adjectives because it is derived from a verb. Particles we normally associate with verbs such as 「を」、「に」、「へ」、or 「で」 can all be used with the 「たい」 form in addition to the particles commonly used with regular adjectives such as 「は」 and 「が」.

>Example 4 was very awkward to translate but is quite simple in Japanese if you refer to the section about using 「なる」 with i-adjectives”. The past tense of the verb 「なる」 was used to create “became want to eat”. Here’s a tongue twister using the negative 「～たくない」 and past-tense of 「なる」： 「食べたくなくなった」 meaning “became not wanting to eat”.
>This may seem obvious but 「ある」 cannot have a 「たい」 form because inanimate objects cannot want anything. However, 「いる」 can be used with the 「たい」 form in examples like the one below.

>Also, you can only use the 「たい」 form for the first-person because you cannot read other people’s mind to see what they want to do. For referring to anyone beside yourself, it is normal to use expressions such as, “I think he wants to…” or “She said that she wants to…” We will learn how to say such expressions in a later lesson. Of course, if you’re asking a question, you can just use the 「たい」 form because you’re not presuming to know anything.

much conveyance
actual feeling
wow

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>>18190365
Oh hey you're right, it does show hiragana when you hover over it.
In that case I take my remark back, that's a good solution. Sorry, I didn't use TK.

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>>18190354
We are using extreme to refer to different levels. I hope you're not going to argue that using a smaller vocabulary would not increase how contrived it is. Wasn't intending to say that they are actually real sentences, just closer.

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Personally I just hate TKs examples and translations. They make things sound retarded and at times even more confusing.

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>>18190380
>面白くない映画は見ません。
this is extremely contrived anon
>Wasn't intending to say that they are actually real sentences, just closer.
there is no such thing as closer, also, sakubi's examples are almost entirely lifted from VNs for some reason

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>>18190361
>I just am new to learning language in general
You didn't have to out of your way to point it out, we knew from the start.

>>a) Any human being that is 100% new to japanese, can read through the entirety of TK's guide from start to finish and leave retaining and understanding it all
No one expects you to understand it all after one sitting/reading. The whole point is you should get a rough understanding of each grammar point and use the guide as a grammar reference when you start reading.

>>b) TK's guide is legitimately intended for a complete beginner at all. It seems much more well-suited to someone who has a decent understanding of the fundamentals and wants to learn the rest, or is looking for a refresher.
Thanks for your baseless opinion. Just because you're too lazy to actually try understading it and would rather bitch about it here doesn't mean that the same applies for people who genuinely want to learn the language.

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>>18190377
whenever you try to shit on TK you purposely leave out the example sentences to make it look nonsensical, fuck you you dumb piece of shit

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>>18190414
no grammar explanation should ever rely on example sentences for anything other than syntax

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>>18190421
ah yes, because that's totally not just your opnion

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>>18190421
What the fuck am I reading?
Grammar is literally the rules for building sentences. Why should a grammar guide not make use of providing sentences that are built with grammar?

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>>18190424
it's rather objective that they should never outright rely on them anon

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>>18190427
>Grammar is literally the rules for building sentences.
No it's not. Generative syntax and pragmatics are.

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>>18190421
t. Chomsky
Not but seriously. Stop posting.

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>>18190427
because he's literally autistic and can't read between lines

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>>18190434
please actually read my post rather than projecting things you dislike onto it

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Conversation: Tae Kim conveys the ACTUAL FEELING
Delusionforce: Hurr you can't take away the example sentences
Just admit that you're retarded and can't keep track of the conversation.

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>>18190441
Your posts consist of you cherry-picking out-of-context examples from TK and garbage, convenient opinons. Fuck off.

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>>18190341
>you think a grammar guide should be slow-paced fore the sake of your lazy ass
Not necessarily what I'm saying at all. If I understand the method to the madness I can accept it, this isn't the case here (if that makes me an idiot, fine).
What's happening in TK's guide is the equivalent of watching and trying to learn from someone performing a task in front of you, and every few seconds a hot girl lifts up her shirt and flashes you off the side. You can't not look and be distracted, and it makes it that much more difficult to focus on the initial concept being covered.

Its easy to criticize a new learner when you are fluent in kanji and having them included or not is irrelevant, but its actually quite a step up for a brand new person.

>EVERYONE keeps telling you to learn kana (at least hiragana) BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE, TK even has a WHOLE section about it. Go learn them right now dipshit.
And that's exactly what I went back and did. Now I am confident with them, but I certainly was not by the time I finished each section in TK's guide.

>lazy
I'm literally not. I've invested 4-6 hours into study and practice every day since I've started. Not picking up new concepts and characters instantaneously does not make someone lazy.

Its also entirely possible that the issue isn't even necessarily to do with TK's guide, so much as the aura that surrounds it on this thread. Its made out to be this flawless guide that you literally sit down and read through in a single sitting as a completely new learner and leave ready to progress in the language with a great understanding of the fundamentals. In actuality I could legitimately see this being something I take weeks, maybe more, to work through and understand thoroughly (and if this is the case, that's absolutely fine, but it certainly feels like its an "exception to the rule" thing based on how people talk about the guide)

>>18190349
I actually didn't know that, and it will help a lot Thanks for the advice.

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>>18190433
I guess we just attended different linguistics classes then, Anon.

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>>18190453
that post is the entirety of the explanation text from that one lesson of tae kim
synthesize the example sentences yourself in your head. it's still very much not attempting to convey the actual feeling of the grammar pattern at hand.

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>>18190446
feeling is always context-based, so yes
you're autistic as fuck

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>>18190462
>a guide should be able to convey an actual feeling for the usage of certain terms

hmmm

>We will now learn how to say what you want either by just coming out and saying it or by making discreet suggestions. The major topics we will cover will be the 「たい」 conjugation and the volitional form. We will also learn specialized uses of the 「たら」 and 「ば」 conditionals to offer advice.
>You can express verbs that you want to perform with the 「たい」 form. All you need to do is add 「たい」 to the stem of the verb. However, unlike most conjugations we learned where the verb turns into a ru-verb, this form actually transforms the verb into an i-adjective (notice how 「たい」 conveniently ends in 「い」). This makes sense because the conjugated form is a description of something that you want to do. Once you have the 「たい」 form, you can then conjugate it the same as you would any other i-adjective. However, the 「たい」 form is different from regular i-adjectives because it is derived from a verb. Particles we normally associate with verbs such as 「を」、「に」、「へ」、or 「で」 can all be used with the 「たい」 form in addition to the particles commonly used with regular adjectives such as 「は」 and 「が」.

>Example 4 was very awkward to translate but is quite simple in Japanese if you refer to the section about using 「なる」 with i-adjectives”. The past tense of the verb 「なる」 was used to create “became want to eat”. Here’s a tongue twister using the negative 「～たくない」 and past-tense of 「なる」： 「食べたくなくなった」 meaning “became not wanting to eat”.
>This may seem obvious but 「ある」 cannot have a 「たい」 form because inanimate objects cannot want anything. However, 「いる」 can be used with the 「たい」 form in examples like the one below.

>Also, you can only use the 「たい」 form for the first-person because you cannot read other people’s mind to see what they want to do. For referring to anyone beside yourself, it is normal to use expressions such as, “I think he wants to…” or “She said that she wants to…” We will learn how to say such expressions in a later lesson. Of course, if you’re asking a question, you can just use the 「たい」 form because you’re not presuming to know anything.

I don't see it

maybe you don't know japanese so you can't tell how it's not conveying how たい "feels", but it really isn't

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How would you say "x didn't go with anyone" ? 誰とも行きませんでした? There's a question regarding that in genki but it didn't specify how to use と for these expressions

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>>18190470
leaving out the examples, AGAIN
the examples are part of conveying the way the grammar is used you fucking autist, holy shit please kill yourself already

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>>18190478
>the examples are part of conveying the way the grammar is used
examples convey syntax, i.e. the rules for where the construction is used
they don't convey anything about how it feels at all
an isolated sentence is not enough to tell you how something is supposed to feel when you see/hear it, especially not things like たい, trying to use example sentences for that is futile

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>>18190478
Repeating thing doesn't make them true.

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Go away, Seth.

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Stop trying to objectively argue about a subjective topic like feelings you nerds.

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>>18190479
literally autistic

I'm done with this, you can shit up the thread all you want now

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>>18190455
see >>18190405
Of course TK won't teach you all the arcanes of Japanese in one sitting, that's not how language learning works. No one expects you to memorize TK in one day's time and started reading right away...
How long have you been studying? You do realize the difference between a day 0 learner and a serious learner who's one month in is huge right? No one expects you to master everything that's on TK by then, simply read it and come back to it later when needs be.

I'll say it again, there's no magical formula to learn a language. It's a mix of exposure, effort and time. Also TK uses a shitton of *really* frequent words, and there's even a whole TK vocab deck in the CoR. Surely you have started vocab like DJT tells you time and time again to do right away, right?

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>>18190361
>a) Any human being that is 100% new to japanese, can read through the entirety of TK's guide from start to finish and leave retaining and understanding it all
There is no Japanese textbook in existence that can accomplish this. This is why we tell people to read through it once, relatively quickly, and use it for reference after.
>b) TK's guide is legitimately intended for a complete beginner at all. It seems much more well-suited to someone who has a decent understanding of the fundamentals and wants to learn the rest, or is looking for a refresher.
What do you think you need to learn that you haven't? What fundamental is skipped? You're committing one of the most common mistakes to learning ANYTHING. You're assuming that having any difficulty means that you're missing some secret clear magical explanation that would make things easier. You're assuming that it is possible to have anything remotely difficult explained to you in a way that you just get it and never have to practice or use a reference again. Learning does not work this way. Struggling is required. You will benefit from understanding this, and truly distinguishing natural struggles from unnatural struggles, so that you can learn effectively in the future.

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>>18190474
Yes. も goes after other particles, like in どこへも行かない and なんとも言えない

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>>18190455
>I certainly was not by the time I finished each section in TK's guide.
>Not picking up new concepts and characters instantaneously
Do you expect to understand things in one read without practice, or not? You're being unclear about this.

>Its made out to be this flawless guide
No it isn't.

>in a single sitting
No.

>In actuality I could legitimately see this being something I take weeks, maybe more, to work through and understand thoroughly
All we tell you is not to spend more than weeks on working through understanding it thoroughly, because YOU WILL NOT. It doesn't work that way. You need to consume media and use grammar references until you've been exposed to each bit enough that it sticks. You are reading through the guide to get a good overview of the language and what there is. You will NOT remember all of this from reading ANY guide. No one here recommends grammar cards, because even if you did memorize a description of every grammar construct covered by TK, you will still be confused quite often when running into those grammar constructs in real sentences. And it's usually not because of any problem with the description.

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>>18190537
>And it's usually not because of any problem with the description.
except for the few times where it is, but even when it is there are people who pretend that there's no problem and you're just an idiot

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>>18190361
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5IPArDxO40

>>18190543
Fuck off you fucking shithead, your autism is ruining the thread for everyone else.

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>>18190561
>Fuck off you fucking shithead, your autism is ruining the thread for everyone else.
please explain what's wrong with my post

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someone tell me how to balance 40-50 words a day new, review, and reading, and art studies with a full time job

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>>18190564
Your shitty behavior, never being able to let go, thinking that natural language learning for humans should be some kind of formal gibberish where examples may only be used to "illustrate" the syntax of a grammar rule, and samefagging time and time again.

Fuck off, stop posting.

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>>18190580
that was my first post in hours

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>>18190579
Don't learn 40-50 new words a day you retard.

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>>18190583
no, it takes too long to learn then

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>>18190579
40-50 -> 10 to 20 depending on the day
reviews during comute, reading whenever you have free time
drop art studies

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Who the fuck cares about introductory grammar guides? Grammar guides are for reading through a couple of times to familiarize yourself on a couple of concepts to prime your brain so when you see something in the wild you don't understand you will know what to search for. You should be done with them after finishing your 2nd or 3rd volume of manga ffs.

Arguing about this is like arguing about the best way to study kana. It doesn't fucking matter. We should just agree to stick with one so that we don't argue about this bullshit.

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>>18190585
This isn't a race dude.
Studying that much per day is not sustainable in the long run, and you most likely won't memorize that much vocab in such a short time span anyway.

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>>18190543
>usually
You really contradicted me there.

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>>18190608
I wasn't trying to

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>>18190585
Better quit your job and art studies so that you can finish core10k in 7 months.

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>>18190617
Don't worry, he'll become so fluent in Japanese that he can just get a new job as an English teacher in Japan.

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>>18190502
I'm only a little over a week in of actual study since I took about a week off after I started exclusively to focus on and learn/memorize the two writing systems. Now that I had completed that I've been back to study again.
>No one expects you to memorize TK in one day's time and started reading right away...
But the exact reason I'm so frustrated with TK's guide is that people literally did expect that when I directly asked about it as I started and was planning out how to manage my time.

>>18190509
>You're assuming that having any difficulty means that you're missing some secret clear magical explanation that would make things easier
when the estimated time to go through the guide ranges from "a couple days, tops" to "not more than a few days", yeah it tends to be a little concerning when faced with this much difficulty so early in the guide.

If I'm asked to do a jigsaw puzzle and the person tells me that it takes the average person 20 minutes to do this puzzle, its not an unreasonable assumption to think that the puzzle might take me somewhere between 10-30 minutes to finish. So when I'm 20 _hours_ in and I haven't even finished 10% of the puzzle, it seems reasonable that I'd wonder if there's something I'm missing about it.

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>>18190631
You're missing the fact people are full of shit and lie about how smart they are.

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One of the side effects of using a physical copy and looking up vocab through an app is that I always end up finding unexpected homophones. Although if I read more porn I would probably already know this one

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>>18190590
>We should just agree to stick with one so that we don't argue about this bullshit.
the point is, we all did until a certain person came along and tries to force a certain guide

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>>18190656
who here /namasensei/?

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>>18190590
No matter what you pick people will complain about it. There's no point in trying to force other people to all use the same guide you used. It doesn't accomplish anything.

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>>18190631
>when the estimated time to go through the guide ranges from "a couple days, tops" to "not more than a few days",
I'm not sure if this was said anywhere, but it's obviously bullshit

always take the things said here with a grain of salt, because when you don't you'll write in a thread where half the people are "almost fluent", but you'll barely see an error-free japanese sentences

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>>18190631
>But the exact reason I'm so frustrated with TK's guide is that people literally did expect that when I directly asked about it as I started and was planning out how to manage my time.
You're outright lying, retarded or incredibly gullible.
I've been here for much, much longer than you have. If anyone advices someone else to memorize the entirety of TK (let alone in a matter of day) before actually learning the language they get instantly bashed. See >>18190502 >>18190509 >>18190537 : 3 different people telling you the exact same thing (that's also featured in the motherfucking guide by the way) contradictory to what you've been "told".
For the nth time, stop bitching and start learning Japanese for real. It's not a toddler puzzle, it's a fucking language. God I hate resolutioners so much.

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I just set up the Anki deck but apparently "d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e.mp3" isn't present in it (for one of the cards relating to "jazz". Anyone have this?

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>>18190631
>>18190696
Also stop conveniently answering to cherry-picked parts of posts and making excuses for yourself (waaaah it's totally other people's fault I can't learn shit, they're discouraging me so much~)
Read the guide, lurk more and come back whenever you grow out of being a bitch to have actual discussions.

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>>18190710
You like jazz?

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Can you believe this guy? If he had spent half his time learning Japanese instead of arguing on DJT he‘d be that much closer to fluency.

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>>18190800
That's true of most people in this thread

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>>18190806
That's the joke

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>>18190681
Then perhaps my own naivety is to blame. Thanks for your help anon.

>>18190716
>>18190696
I can't speak to whether they got bashed or not, I simply got a pair of similar enough responses to a general question I asked and took that information at face value.

Your whole argument is unprecedented though. I'm not even making excuses or blaming others because I can't learn, I have continued my study and working at the language every day since I've started. The only "excuse" I've made is being salty over misleading information I was given about a guide, which is what this entire post chain is about. I haven't used that as an excuse not to find other interim ways to learn and study.

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By the way why don’t we have any fluent trip fags in here, giving advice and stroking their ego? Makes me think nobody on DJT has ever gotten fluent.

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>>18190800
jokes on you, I'm learning vocab while shitposting

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>>18190842
people who get fluent on djt methods leave the thread because it's so toxic

[None !e4NgAMZVNg No.]

私は日本語のとも生きるよ

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Well since the more polite forms tend to give off a more feminine vibe, how should you talk to normal people?
Since sounding feminine would be weird and is a common mistake from what I hear, but at the same time it's recommended to speak a polite form to people you don't know.
>just listen more!
Media isn't the best example on how real interactions work.

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>>18190901
なるほど、わからん

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What supplements should I be taking to improve energy and brain function so I can learn Japanese easier? So far I've got Vitamin D3 and Fish Oil in my cart, what else?

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>>18190901
あたしは日本語ができなせん。

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>>18190929
Polite forms have no feminin vibe as long as you don't add stuff which makes it distinctly feminine. です is fine, ですの/ですわ makes you a laughing stock.

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>>18190945
BRAIN FORCE
SUPER MALE VITALITY

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>>18190953
desu waaaaaa?

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>>18190945
eat normally, regular sleep schedule, maybe some exercise now and then
No really. Supplements are the new Snake Oils. Improve your mental health the way you improve your Japanese.

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>>18190953
Then I assume when people say stuff like じゃない or わたし having a more feminine tone is only applicable when you're otherwise speaking casually?

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>>18190964
but if things like sun lamps work to combat depression, why shouldn't some Omega-3 improve my brain functions as well? We're talking about something that's not even tangible from the human experience (wavelengths of light) making a palpable and real difference, so it'd make sense something you ingest could also have an impact too, no?

if there was Anki for not being depressed and lethargic I'd do it. It takes me anywhere from 1-3 hours to get out of bed in the morning, and then longer to actually start my reps. And even then it takes me forever because I'm constantly tabbing out.

>>18190955
no meme answers I'm looking for specific supplements not an all-in-one product someone is trying to sell

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>>18190965
Nothing feminine about じゃない. Just because the boys in manga/anime use じゃねえ like some pseudo-delinquent dumbass doesn't make it the norm. わたし is also entirely fine in more formal situations as long as you aren't 16.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gazaHoS5Ig

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>>18190984
Like I said, healthy body leads to a healthy mind. That's your Anki to a better mental health. Expecting a quick fix from shit that's not even guaranteed to work won't help. From your post it sounds like your sleep schedule is already fucked up, senpai.

>lamps combat depression
Either this is a "No shit having some light makes me a bit better" situation or I'll need detailed scientific sources on that, senpai

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>>18190945
>>18190984
Worrying about stuff like this only serves as a distraction from getting shit done.

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>>18190996
じゃない carries a feminine tone in the positive use of the word いいじゃないか for example. As would わたし in a more casual conversation, not a formal one. If assume a normal everyday conversation, with say a waiter or a store clerk wouldn't be considered a formal situation, but also not something you'd be casual with?

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>>18191039
>じゃない carries a feminine tone in the positive use of the word いいじゃないか for example
Provide a source or stop making up shit.

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>>18191021
>>lamps combat depression
>Either this is a "No shit having some light makes me a bit better" situation or I'll need detailed scientific sources on that, senpai

well I'm fairly certain it is the go to treatment for diagnoses of seasonal depression specifically but some studies have looked into its application in more traditional depression and while some claim there were issues with the study (the patients most likely knew they weren't on the placebo when they were also getting the light treatment or something) it still showed a lot more improvement vs those that weren't being treated with light therapy, placebo pill or actual meds regardless.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/fullarticle/2470681

in particular it's a big blast of that light for 30 minutes right after the person wakes up.

>>18191036
True enough, but I still thought it's worth looking into and that maybe other people here had considered/done the same thing.

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>>18191039
>じゃない carries a feminine tone in the positive use of the word いいじゃないか for example.
no it doesn't

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>>18191039
>じゃない carries a feminine tone in the positive use of the word いいじゃないか

But that's wrong. Males talk like that all the time.

>If assume a normal everyday conversation, with say a waiter or a store clerk wouldn't be considered a formal situation

That's leaning to a formal situation for Japanese standards, though. But I don't think a clerk would give a fuck how you speak with him as long as you aren't rude.

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>>18190421
Actually the opposite. Grammar is an after-the-fact explanation of why something sounds right. You should learn all grammar through study of native sentences

Also, stop posting

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>>18191087
Anon I think you read the post you're responding to wrong or replied to the wrong post.

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>>18191080
>>18191076
>>18191068
Correction, that example was wrong, but ending with じゃない is feminine. Was something I heard from a teacher awhile ago so fudged it.
http://maggiesensei.com/2013/02/13/how-to-use-〜じゃない-janai　＆　〜んじゃない-njanai/

Also checked tk and was included there under chapter 17.

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>>18191097
You're thinking of じゃん. じゃない is not currently especially gendered, even as a way of asking for confirmation.

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>>18191099
Sorry I'm not thinking straight right now. The two sentences in this post are not supposed to be related.

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>>18190800
I go here sometimes to take a break from reading so I can relax and laugh at the inane arguments people have.

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>>18190251
namasensei my dude.

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>>18190842
Because all of the advice on how to learn is in the guide and 99% of questions asked could be answered by looking at the guide or googling.

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>>18191269
>namasensei gets bullied on djt
>tfw I unironically like namasensei's videos and have learned a fair amount from him

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>>18191415
Between his drinking & telling me to just do it, I find myself learning alot.

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>>18191415
I watched a video of him and closed immediately when he said something like です is just the more polite version of だ. I can only imagine what other errors he makes.

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Any logic/reason behind the choice of kanji for ご馳走さま？

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>>18191472
It is though. And ですか is the polite form of か

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>>18191496
Pretty sure there was, a few hundred years ago when the phrase was coined. Nowadays no one but etymologists give a fuck and you should do the same, at least until you reach a very comfortable level of fluency.

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>>18191513
Not them, but understanding why kanji were used a certain way really helps with the memorization for some.

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>>18191510
>It is though

No, it isn't. だ has many grammatical features not covered by です.

https://nihongoobenkyousuru.wordpress.com/2015/06/24/%E3%80%8C%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99%E3%80%8D-is-not-the-same-as-%E3%80%8C%E3%81%A0%E3%80%8D/

>And ですか is the polite form of か

This is so wrong it actually cracked me up.

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>492 / 41 / 101 / 5
What the fuck? Only a handful of hours ago the thread was at something like 260 posts.

>>18191496
This website in a little etymology dictionary, http://gogen-allguide.com/ko/gochisou.html . It doesn't go into much detail and maybe that's a good thing.

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>>18191522
>「だ」 is used to declare what one believes to be a fact. Therefore, 「そうだか？」 is not a valid way to ask a question because it is declaring a fact and asking a question at the same time. But the fact that 「そうですか」 is a valid question shows that 「です」 and 「だ」 are essentially different.

No, that blog is wrong. It doesn't understand that ですか is the polite form of か. Stop reading shit blogs.

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>>18191537
>No, that blog is wrong.

And so is apparently every grammar guide and native speakers. I'm not even sure if you want to troll with that ですか shit.

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「あの生意気な貴族の娘っ子は果報者だね。でも、どうして普通に口説かねえんだ？ 惚れられてるなら、何も寝ている隙でなくてもよさそうなもんだ」

I'm having trouble understanding the last sentence. I got "If she has fallen for you," then I can't understand the rest.

Context: A boy is about to rape/molest a girl in her sleep. He says it is okay because she loves him, but she scolds him and insults him in her sleep. This line is said by a talking sword. It is from Zero no Tsukaima.

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In a thread on /vr/, an anon was saying that when Squall says 悪かったな in FF8, it's not an actual apology, it's a half-assed and sarcastic "my bad." Every time I've encountered it in my reading, I've interpreted it as a genuine but informal apology. Am I fucking this up? I know context is important, but is there a general rule for this? Sorry for the dumb beginner question.

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>>18191600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUqBM-Y4r9Q

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>>18191600
Haven't played FF8 so I don't know about that but it doesn't have to be sarcastic. It's just a pretty light apology for minor things. If someone sets your house on fire and uses 悪かったな you can be sure it's sarcastic.

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>>18191600
It can be used both ways. Depends on context and intonation.

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>>18191646
>>18191649
>>18191619
It's been a while myself, but that more or less confirms it for me, thanks ya'll.

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>>18191576
何も here when used with a negative functions as an adverb meaning "no reason to". Kind of similar to わざわざ.

なもんだ is just ものだ, which nominalizes what comes before it. It adds a little nuance but doesn't change the meaning much

if you can't understand 寝ている隙でなくてもよさそう I would recommend re-reading a basic grammar guide.

also is my IME retarded or did I really just have to scroll 3 pages to convert 隙

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>>18191600
For Squall it just means that he's being a dick and isn't taking things seriously enough.

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>>18191496
Something worth running for, i.e., something good.

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>>18191985
kek

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>>18191985
see me after class

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I'm sick and trying to force my way through my reviews today. Failing the same 15ish words over and over again, since my retention's fucked. am I just making my life harder by trying to make this shit happen?

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>>18191997
write them out idiot

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>>18191997
You got tricked by a meme that spun out of control. No-one who does anki learns Japanese.

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I learned about 800 kanjis using heisig, got bored and gave up learning japanese. Now I'm trying again and using the core 6k and I've done around 1000 words, do you guys think it's worth picking up heisig at this point?

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>>18192013
Fuck off.

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>>18192028
>I learned about 800 kanjis
sorry, but you didn't.

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>>18192031
Nice rebuttal, ankidrone.

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>>18192028

Just read and mine

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>>18192039

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>>18192028
No. The important part of heisig is getting used to breaking and constructing kanji from radicals, if youve got to 800 youre certainly able to do that, just stick to vocab.

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>>18192013
Have evidence that this is the case?

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>>18191997
You need to use a method to memorize things, use mnemonics and writing them out like the other anon said also helps. I'm doing those things and I can somewhat easily remember 20 new things per day and I'm sure there are people doing a lot more than that using those kind of techniques.

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>>18192220
All the dekinais in /djt/ complaining about "doing their reps."

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>>18192220
Well you do anki, can you speak Japanese yet?

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>>18192274
Well you dont do anki, can you speak japanese yet?

It:s a tool, if it:s all you use you:ll probably fail, but that doesn:t mean its useless.

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>>18192287
I do do anki and I can't speak Japanese, further enforcing that anki makes you unable to speak Japanese.

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For those who started to learn recently, do you do different things everyday? Thinking about dedicating some days to finishing Tae Kim (half way done), some to reading NHK Easy/Yotsuba, and later maybe Kodansha/kanji study.

On a weekday I have 2 and half to 4 hours to study a book or read. Weekends I have all day.

However, I also see the value of doing one thing only everyday. Just wanted to know what you guys thought (I'd be doing Anki everyday, don't worry).

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>>18192287
Correlation of using Anki =/= Causation of not speaking Japanese.

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>>18192303
This was meant for >>18192274

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>>18192293
But thats not because of anki, it's because of profane moon magicks infused in the runes preventing round eyes from learning their secrets.

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>>18192293
I hope no one in their right mind thinks you can learn any difficult subject with just flash cards. Anki is a supplementary tool for review and getting new words into your head.

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>>18192326
>getting new words into your head
Explain how this is not learning. Anki says not to use it to learn in its manual, but that's how many if not most people use it.

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>>18192326
Honestly, jokes aside, I personally think note cards are always a bad idea.
In context of learning a language especially since you're looking at the word out of context and trying to figure out some way of memorizing it by itself.
Just doing writing practice and reading sentences is a better way of learning them because you see them in context which makes more sense, and you learn based on seeing them in that context.
Flashcards would be useful if it was a full sentence you're translating imo.

And as a reviewing tool, it has its uses for bringing up things you rarely see. But its too random to really be consistent, and doing it takes up time you could be looking at things you'll actually see.

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How should I be watching anime?
>no subs first, then jap subs, then listen to the audio on my phone
>jap subs first, then no subs, then audio
>english subs >no subs >jap subs >audio
>no subs >audio
I've been watching セントールの悩み without subs and I only catch the basic slice-of-life talk and the occasional not-as-common word like 恒温. Also it just occurred to me that かいだん has a bunch of meanings. At first I was thinking 会談 and then 階段 when it seemed like they were talking about the Centaur girl having trouble with it...and then finally I realized they were talking about 怪談 once they got around to it.

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>>18192342
I just started. The problem arises that I can't read anything more than interjectory statements, because my vocab is so small.
As I understand it, that's the point of flashcards as a jumping-off point.
TLDR I have no idea what I'm talking about, this is all conjecture.

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>>18192337
The true learning comes from reading and seeing words in a variety of contexts. Anki is just there to help us memorize readings, kind of -- almost -- basically.

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>>18192342
>Flashcards would be useful if it was a full sentence you're translating imo.

Some of the better vocab decks have example sentences though not for you to translate, but I agree. I'm personally slowing down my Anki and reading more instead but I think there's some value at the beginning to drill very common words and things like numbers, dates, times, etc.

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>>18192354
Well working from grammar you'll naturally pick up vocabulary.
For example just reading TK's guide you'll naturally pick up enough words to make sense of at least half of most sentences.

Other things introduce new vocab and you're expected to use it in new sentences repeatedly, especially more common words. With a flash card you see the word then shove it into some recess without ever really using it. Maybe you'll recall it, but it means less in a vacuum than it does in use.

There's been studies about how well people memorize things *I don't have a source, but essentially writing/using the thing you're learning geometrically improves your ability to remember it over just reading it.

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>>18192377
The problem I had with TK knowing no vocab is that on every page with new grammar, it went something like "Here, learn these 12 new words we're going to use once each". Which pretty much amounted to me not actually remembering them at all, and then they just initially overloaded me and did a worse job than flashcards.

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>>18192347
English subs and only read them when you don't understand something

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>>18192388
TK is extremely condensed, a textbook would be better and introduces more words slowly and uses them consistently. But the nice part of TK is that you can get the translations right there, and just click back to the pages if you don't understand the grammar, which helps you keep track.

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>>18192409
The nice part of TK is that it's not suicide to use it for self-study.

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>>18192391
That's a good idea; I just looked up my keyboard shortcut to turn subs on/off ("w": default for mpc-hc). I think I might set it up to be Japanese subs first if they're available and I don't understand something.

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>>18192377
I think you're right, because when you review a flashcard you're reading. When you're writing, composing sentences or speaking you're using another set of skills, that are indeed not trained by reading flashcards. But I think that if you focus on reading, your reading skills will be better than trying to write or anything.

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>>18192409
Genki also introduces a lot of vocab per chapter . Two pages of pic related. Textbooks do have more example sentences and audio, I guess. Also exercises, but I find those not _that_ useful.

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>>18192433
By writing/using the words you're reading them as well anon.
Visual recognition is a skill, yes, but that requires you to have the thing memorized in order to quickly recognize in the first place.
>>18192434
Genki introduces a lot, but you use them. You will have to go back if you forget one periodically but it does help you in their use.

Also I know exercises seem stupid, especially when you feel like you already know it, but there's a reason every book uses them. It does help burn things into memory even if it seems stupid. Same with saying things out loud. It seems useless and dumb, but it has been proven to help with memorization (and helps with your speaking skills/accent which you will need eventually)

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>>18192388
TK is a _grammar_guide_ though. The Kanji are just there so that you can understand what the example means. If you can't handle Kanji just block it out and focus on the main point of the chapter.

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半月
満月

FUCKING WHY CAN'T YOU USE THE SAME READING ARRRRRRRRRRGH

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>>18192602

Why would they???

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>>18192602
yes lets have "half" and "full" be homonyms what could possibly go wrong

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>>18191775
Thanks for the help. I wish you had given me a translation so I could internalize it though.

So, something like "There is no reason to take advantage of her while sleeping, it seems like it would be okay/you would be allowed to do it"

I hadn't considered that てもよさそう, was a form of てもいい, but I may be wrong about that.

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>>18192611
>xxつき
>xxげつ

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>>18192625
use a better dictionary

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>>18192627
>はにわり
>ふるむーん
ありがとう

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>>18192602
Give up on learning Japanese, if you're already like this you won't last

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>>18192625
https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E3%81%AF%E3%81%AB%E3%82%8F%E3%82%8A

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>>18192625
半月 is an awful word to put in anki considering はんげつ is a perfectly valid reading

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>>18192673
That's why you use sentence cards :) [at least for words with multiple readings and meanings] .. even though I see per definition 3 on weblio that はんげつ can also be used for half a month.

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>>18192684
>sentence cards

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>>18192691
ono i'll memorize the sentence and not the word. dekinai4ever. i'll be okay bb, donmai.

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>>18192673
Tell that to whoever made core6k.

>>18192684
>sentence cards
Ayyy

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>>18192684
>sentence cards

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>>18192293
>shitposts on /djt/ all day long
>it must be anki that stops me from learning japanese!
I'm quoting you. Also Anki is for learning words, not Japanese

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>>18192721
>Anki is for
reminding you to remember readings.

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can you teach me good enough Japanese to read a VN within 9 months?

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>>18192735
The VN will teach you good enough Japanese... and then you can read another VN by the same author in the same style in a similar setting.

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>>18192735
Depends. What's in it for me?

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How do I start remembering grammar. I'm on the defining and describing section of TK and I'm slowly starting to forget things

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>>18192758
I dunno what do you want 先輩?

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>>18192760
Read more.

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>>18192342
>Flashcards would be useful if it was a full sentence you're translating imo.
This has been discussed to death, but sentences allow you to recall the answer without reading the full sentence, and I think testing yourself on translation of a full sentence leaves too much room for interpretation that may or may not be off the mark.
>But its too random to really be consistent
Random is not a word I would use, and I do not understand what you mean.

Reading is more important, but I also think that you can look up the same word tens of times without it sticking and that's where Anki can accelerate the process of getting words down. Still, heavy emphasis on mining, learning words exclusively through Anki is less effective. I'd argue that the time freed up by not doing Anki could easily all go into more dictionary lookups of the same shit. But maybe I'm an idiot, this is just my view.

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>>18192765
Your body

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Do you guys know of any decent J-J dictionary apps for Android? I use kotobank on my browser and was wondering if there's a good offline alternative.

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>>18192777
>This has been discussed to death, but sentences allow you to recall the answer without reading the full sentence,
If I post a list of the words I have in Anki, could someone write a story using those words to test this? I've done over 7k sentence cards and I don't think it's as bad as some people think.

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>>18192784
If you can teach me good enough Japanese to read the VN I want to read, I'll let you do ANYTHING you want.

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>>18192797
At that scale that point is a lot less relevant. My personal argument would be that the cards are likely to be slower than otherwise, but perhaps it's worth reinforcing contextual usage. What about the other part, I presume you don't really "translate"?

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>>18192342
Sentence cards are a bad idea.

You can remember the back of the card before you even see the word you're trying to test yourself on.

This is very bad, and it always starts happening whenever anybody uses a sentence deck for more than a couple days.

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>>18192803
post sharpie in pooper as downpayment

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>>18192788
Should be able to use any of the dictionaries in the CoR, using DroidWing
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aokabi.android.droidwingfree&hl=en
https://mega.nz/#F!UxhhlKzb!9T8-35RugwmkuZ33oTqVrQ

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>>18192797
turn your sentence card deck into a word deck and compare retention

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I've barely begun studying and I can tell having these sample sentences beneath the words are making me "remember" the word not from character recognition but from the sentences.

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>>18192930
edit the card template so there is no example sentence on the front
if this makes any cards ambiguous just suspend them

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>>18192815
>What about the other part, I presume you don't really "translate"?
That's right. I visualize what's happening in the sentence or what the sentence is describing.
Also, it was really slow when I first started -- something like 3.x cards or less per minute. Now I'm at 5.5 cards per minute which doesn't feel too bad to me but I'm sure you vocab guys cruise along at 2x my speed.
>>18192826
>for more than a couple days.
I've been using mine for more than 800 days.
>>18192878
Is there an easy way to do this? I was too stupid to make a field that contained only the new word but I was consistent in putting the new word first in my definition field.
>>18192930
I feel like there is a difference between what you're describing and what my cards look like (>>18192698)
Although... I am moving away from sentences on the front in an attempt to save time.

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>>18192986
>I've been using mine for more than 800 days.
Then you have experienced the aforementioned problem. If you say otherwise you're lying, possibly to yourself.

Also if you're still making anki cards for basic vocabulary at 800 days you're doing something horribly fundamentally wrong.

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>>18192766
r-readings scary

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>>18193011
ok read less

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>>18193011
pretend it's not

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>>18193011
so read porn thats less weird

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>>18193005
>if you're still making anki cards for basic vocabulary
What is this supposed to mean? I'm assuming you're implying I shouldn't need to make a card for 築く this far in since I should have already made a card of it or I should be able to just know it and remember it without Anki's help.
If you look for #common words on Jisho.org, you'll get 20679 results. I'm nowhere near that number but it's not like I plan on mining every single word either.
>Then you have experienced the aforementioned problem.
I'm sure I have but I'm also sure it's not as common as you think since there are so many cards and all those cards are made up of words that get reinforced each time I review the card.

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I've been writing "me" the wrong way for the past hour till I looked at my cheat sheet. Got it confused with "nu". I want to die.

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>>18193050
>If you look for #common words on Jisho.org
I'm neutral in this conversation but it's been proven in a previous thread that this tag is bullshit

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>>18193052
you spent an hour writing one hiragana?

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>>18193079
Nah I been doing self study, with some words and been writing it the wrong way.

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>>18193012
>>18193016
>>18193033
I read for a bit on Ocarina of Time and understood alot of words but my grammar still needs work. Thank anons.

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>>18192295
That seems enticing at first, but I think you'll have better results if you balance it out. 30-45 min for anki, 30 minutes to do 10-20 characters in kklc if you are doing that, spend some time with tae Kim and then read. Reading is the most important for sure

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Why the fuck is the image for "pour" a lion?

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>>18193109
It's probably the lion who poured juice into everyone's glass.

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>>18193106
Good. Words are the important stuff, understanding of grammar comes with time

https://youtu.be/arVf-Sr2liA

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>>18193109
みんな（ゼブラ）のガラス（水場）にジュース（血）を注いだよ

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>>18193063
I'm not asking for the specific proof if you don't have it, but how did anons go about to prove it wrong?

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>>18193052
Boku or Watashi?

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>>18193128
吉祥天

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I have a manga in a folder split into hundreds of pngs. Is there a way I can quickly import all of the manga pages into anki and make cards out of them?

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>>18193128
>>/jp/thread/S17960412#p17973927
see also the reply chain after that post

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Is it a bad habit to use "Ore-sama" as my pronoun?

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>>18193165
Cool, I'm convinced.

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>>18193181
>not 某
fucking casual

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>>18193181
it's the same as 我輩 which sounds better imo

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>>18193181
Unless you're a pleb you'll pretty much exclusively use yo

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>>18193190
もう いっかい!

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>>18193198
Real man use wanu.

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>>18193160
why would you want to read spaced repetition manga

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>>18193158
So based on the explanation in the thread >>18193165 posted, that word is probably tagged because it occurred a lot in a particular text or a few particular texts. Wouldn't this mean that they could easily fix the tag if they cap the amount of occurrences of a given word taken into account in each text they process?

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>>18193218
this is how the vnstats frequency lists work btw

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>>18193201
real men use atashi

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>>18193204
I have a plan to learn 500 words per day

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Is there any reason a mature woman would refer to herself as Boku? She's throwing me for a loop here.

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>>18193247
>woman

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>>18193247
tomboyish and/or subversive

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Basically あたし(atashi) are used by women. 俺(ore) and 僕(boku) is used by men.

Anime characters and otaku are an exception.

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whats a good flash card program if i just want all the information on the front of the cards and it to choose cards randomly no spaced repetition. lingo steve says this is how he uses flash cards because he gets just as much out of just studying the cards rather than racking his brain trying to remember. can anki be set up like this?

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>>18189435
かなでるはあんまりつかわないよ

>>18193247
　 　 　ろっぽうことば
たぶん「六方詞」

じゃないかなあとおもうよ

３００ねんくらいまえにはやったみたい

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a grammar resource that's a step above beginner, but comes before full-blown "just look shit up in HJGP?"

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>>18193361
DOJG

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>>18193361
Well if you use DOJG there are three different levels of looking shit up. I found the beginner book very helpful for expanding on material covered in grammar guides

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>>18193358
あたしがもしつかうなら

>せんりつをかなでる

のかたちかなあとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

How is english higher on information density when the japanese can just use one word and imply so much more without it being a fragment or weird sounding? have i been memed?

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>>18193581
Syllabary

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I guess I can't learn Japanese..

who thought it was a good idea to start with words like intention and no tresspassing exactly?

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>>18193603
Holy hell, how do you even manage to be so shit?

[Anonymous No.]

eggすぎる

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>>18193603

>>18183124

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>>18193649
nah I don't believe that only my stats are that shit after only 2.5 days of that deck, especially because most of the fags here don't even do radical study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18193628
たまご かけ ごはん?

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>>18193653
試しに
失敗した..これはテロ

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>>18193652
>Studying radicals

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>>18193603
"No trespassing" is a difficult series of symbols but it's very easy to recognize, and I imagine you see it a lot in the streets of Japan. And 3/4 symbols are very basic (only 禁 is kind of tough).

立ち入り禁止

立 - stand
入 - enter
禁 - prohibition
止 - stop

You're forbidden to enter here, so stop.

Core2k/6k has a lot of more annoying words in it like 合格 which I can't imagine you see often unless you're actually in school I may be wrong though, I mostly hate this word because it's one of those words that keeps coming up in my deck.

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>>18193277
Are 俺 and 僕 used often in Japan (outside of anime/manga)? I'd imagine 僕 is kind of common but I'm not sure about 俺.

Also, since 僕 is primarily used by boys and not men, when to they 'switch'? Same for わし which is supposedly used by older men primarily.

I always found this a weird concept. It's not that difficult but changing your pronouns as you age doesn't seem natural to me.

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>>18193757
僕 = anime
俺 = real male pronoun

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>>18193757
It's like any form of language, you just kinda use whatever feels right in the context.
Maybe one conversation you feel like an おれさま and the next is a professional setting where you feel compelled to use 私

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>>18193787
I've only heard おれさま in Danganronpa V3 and I always figured it was a very rude and arrogant way to refer to yourself (which fit the character).

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>>18193797
Adding sama (basically the highest sign of respect) to your own name is one of the most arrogant things you can do. I'm not sure what I'd say the English equivalent is, if we even have one. You're basically demanding respect, saying that you deserve the highest respect someone can give you. Unless you're seriously, unquestionably deserving of that level of respect it's pretty damn arrogant. And anyone who IS of that level would probably use a more refined pronoun.

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>>18193817
Well how about you suck 俺様's dick, 僕ちゃん

[Anonymous No.]

おれさまは

りあるきつい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18193757
僕 is used by millions of adults. Stop believing people who only watch anime.

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>>18194088
ふだんぼくで

あたしとはなすときおれになる

ややこしい

[Anonymous No.]

おはよう。

What are you doing today to learn Japanese?

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>>18194180
Daily 2 to 3 hours of vocab

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>>18194180
Muddling through a few pages of よつばと with day drinking to take away the pain of my incompetence.

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>>18194180
playin' the ol' vidya
jackin' off to pixiv

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>>18193603
立ち入り禁止 is 4900 words deep in the Core deck suggested in the op. Fix your shit.

[Anonymous No.]

きょうのあたしのあんき

>Sounds like a plan.

[Anonymous No.]

If I am absolutely failing to remember stuff from my Core 2K deck should I just stop doing new cards (or do less) and do Kodansha?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194367
try the former, then the latter

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>>18194367
How many cards are you in? How many new cards a day?

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>>18194423
Just 250 and about 15-25 new cards a day. Feels like I know about 150~ perfectly (excluding stuff like numbers) but since then they haven't been sticking.

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>>18194481
Ye I've also been through this exact same phase, 20 or so cards a day and overall poor retention. Having trouble with stuff like 部屋, 後, 長い or 送る maybe?
Individual kanji study is definitely great for stuff that doesn't seem to stick as it allows you actually visualize kanji and make sense off some words. For example knowing 部 is "section" and 屋 "roof, house" greatly helps you remember "room".

KKLC will provide that to some extent, but a part of the work is on you. Don't pay too much attention to the mnemonics, just use them as an aid to remember some characters. If you're going to do the anki deck, remove all recognition cards (J -> keyword) and focus on keyword -> J instead

I personally reduced my number of new cards a day in core and suspended some cards with "hard" kanji while doing some KKLC. If you pick up KKLC, I advise you keep doing vocab even at a slower pace.

Good luck

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>>18194570
>remove all recognition cards (J -> keyword) and focus on keyword -> J instead
This isn't even learning Japanese then. To learn Japanese you memorize pronunciation and meaning from the trigger of a word.

The best way to "learn kanji" is to just add more words that have them in it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194180
probably gonna finish TK's grammar guide and go through the other grammar guide in the pastebin, depends how much free time I get between classes and homework.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194617
read + dictionary of grammar / google is best

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>>18194625
I have a hard enough time reading nip on my 4k monitor, reading it on my phone is hell.
And that's before having to swap back and forth between dictionary and what I'm reading.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194632
Okay so you're just never going to read then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194640
>what are you doing today
>today

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194650
You don't have access to zooming in features today?

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>>18194612
Of course this isn't learning Japanese per se, this is learning kanji meaning to help you remember vocab that much more efficiently.
That's why I advised him to keep doing vocab.

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>>18194656
Wow you're autistic.
I hope a piano falls on you today.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194661
I mean I'm just going off of your retarded post about not being able to read because you have a 4k monitor. How is that even relevent?

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>>18194669
>I have a hard time distinguishing complicated kanji on a big detailed screen so a smaller screen is even harder
>Plus its a lot harder to look things up in a dictionary when you can have it on the same screen

>well hurr just read anyways and zoom instead of doing something you need to do anyways!
why is /djt/ filled with the biggest autists on 4chan? literally worse than /ic/ at talking shit about things they can't do themselves.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194686
I mean I'm just going off of your retarded post about not being able to read because you have a 4k monitor. How is that even relevent?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194180
I'm gonna play japanese mabinogi again
it's very fun and efficient to learn a language trough and with other people

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194749
>efficient
no, if you're looking for efficiency you should stick to anki

not even trolling, if you're talking about efficiency it's by far the most optimal

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194795
I think you meant "actually talking to real people"

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>>18194820
Yeah look at all those fluent people who live in Japan that can't listen to a movie or read a book, but hey they have tons of "speaking practice".

The only good part of "speaking practice" is listening to the response, which you can get by just using media.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194669
>>18194706
Check out the Daily English Thread sometime, you're interpreting the post as exactly the opposite of what it says. Exactly.

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>>18194830
Spoken like a true ankidrone. Even the greatest linguists agree that speaking with other people is the best way to acquire a language. You can't learn japanese.

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>>18194850
linguists have nothing to do with "learning languages", so that's one reason i know you're full of shit

go read what any polyglot has to say on the subject, language acquisition is based on input

stephen krashen has some talks on this and he actually references scientific papers to prove that things like reading help way more than production

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194865
>People who learn and translate languages for a living don't know about learning languages
>This dude that's marketing to me knows far more than those guys

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194867
>Linguistics is the scientific[1] study of language,[2] and involves an analysis of language form, language meaning, and language in context.

Linguistics has nothing to do with learning and translating languages. You can be a linguist in your native language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194850
You can learn to read it, which is what Anki is really good at. You can probably also learn to understand it when you hear it. Learning to speak it is impossible with just Anki, even if you spend hours every day saying example sentences out loud.

Not that this is necessarily a bad thing, it depends on what you actually want to do with the language. If you just want to play videogames and watch anime without subtitles you'll never need to hold an actual conversation in Japanese anyways, so just using Anki and reading stuff will help a lot.

>>18194830
I doubt those people have a lot of "speaking practice". They have a lot of "hearing practice", which is different. There's tons of international people at my office who can't speak a word of my language despite being able to understand a fair amount of words and phrases. Why? They never make an effort ot actually converse in the language, because it's easier for both parties to just speak in English. Passive exposure, although not completely useless, is not practice.

The main outline is that if you want to learn to read, understand and speak Japanese in an efficient amount of time you'll need to both have actual conversations with people in Japanese and do actual studying. This is not that complicated.

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>>18194795
>having real conversations trough both text and voice is less efficient than anki
There's a certain level of truth to this, but after having even a decent amount of grasp to the language you're learning, the best method is to actually use it, in real time, with someone else.

also it's good for motivation and practice because you're actually communicating with another human being, which for most cases is more fun and interactive compared to cards.

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>>18194909
You can only say things that you've learned to say through input. Input is the most important part of speaking, especially a language like Japanese which has little to no hard to pronounce syllables. If you can fluently understand reading and listening in a language, going from that point to speaking fluently as well takes little effort because of all the input you've received. It takes a little getting used to, but the input is what provides you with the ability to actually know what to say. Speaking practice is only good to convert input to output which takes relatively far less time than the learning what to say part. To the point that there is no point on focusing on speaking. Only exceptions would be pronunciation of syllables that are not in your native language.

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>>18194940
My point was mostly that you'll need both if you want to become fluent in speaking a language. Living in Japan and talking to people regularly in Japanese will make you learn to speak the language over time (although it will probably take a pretty long time). That's how kids do it, they don't usally take language classes until well after they know how to speak, they just learn through exposure and participation.

Pure input will never let you get to the level of a native speaker, it always needs to be combined with conversational practice. However, having lots of exposure to Anki flashcards and example sentences and stuff will speed up the process of learning through conversation. It's really not an either-or situation, you need both. But you're right that if you can understand and read Japanese the jump to speaking it is smaller, that's a given.

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>>18194977
The comparison to children isn't really a good one. Children's brains are still forming as they're learning language. Do you think it's a coincidence that someone who learns a language at 30 still has an accent 30 years later at 60? It's because they're using sounds that they can't really correct for because they didn't learn those sounds as a child. Language learning as an adult and a child are completely different.

And on top of that I feel like you're underestimating how slow people learn their native language. Like it's pretty obvious but I'll say it anyway, do you know how long it takes a native to get the point of the average 10 year old native? 10 years. Think about that from an adult perspective. 10 years of learning to get to the level of a 10 year old.

Adults have both advantages and disadvantages when it comes to learning languages, it's not really a fair comparison.

[Anonymous No.]

Is manga sensei dot com a meme or is it actually useful? Anyone with knowledge could vouch this guy for me ?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18193757
I remember seeing a documentation about social outcasts in Japan and one guy used 僕 when he talked with the TV team and 俺 when he talked with his girlfriend. He was around 40.

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＞行く　（いく）
＞行う　（おこなう）
They literally share the same first character
Why are they pronounced so differently what the fuck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195163
Why are Read and Read pronounced differently?

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>>18195163
That happens pretty often, although not usally in verbs. It's just one of those exceptional kanji that you have to memorize. In English you have tons of those exceptions as well.

But you'll see regularly that kanji are pronounced differently in different words. Usually it depends on whether it occurs at the start or the end of a word and it's sometimes also influenced by the character before or after it.

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>>18195110
In polite conversation use 僕 or 私, in other conversations use 俺 etc.

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>>18195163
Because kanji are logograms, not an alphabet.

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>>18195163
>家
>literally same kanji
>same context
>slightly different meaning that might make a difference

[Anonymous No.]

>開ける　（ひらける）
>開ける　（あける）

Shit's easy once you factor in context

[Anonymous No.]

how do you anons memorize words for which you can't come up with a decent mnemonic?
There have a been a few problem words so far that I just can't nail down no matter how much I see them in Anki

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>>18195354
Also 止める　(yameru (to stop doing something, like smoking))　止める (tomeru (to cease an action, often involving movement)). I thought I was becoming retarded when I kept getting these wrong in my flash cards, but it turns out both are correct if they're not part of a sentence.

Then there's also fucking 辞める (yameru) which ALSO means to stop but is used mostly when you resign from your job.

Goddamn nips.

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>>18195354
>got these 2 wrong so many times and clicked again
>its the same fucking word
>this didn't register in my brain until I saw this post

[Anonymous No.]

Perhaps I'm retarded but I got a problem with understanding this sentence.

もう……そんな顔しないでよ、あたしが悪いみたいじゃない

Let's ignore the じゃない part, then it would mean something like "stop doing that face already, it seems like I'm bad/evil" whatever and it would make a little sense cause person A made person B sad.

But how does じゃない change the meaning here?

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>>18195477

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>>18195525
it's a tonal difference

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>>18194993
>It's because they're using sounds that they can't really correct for because they didn't learn those sounds as a child.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but I think you're taking this a little far. It could be corrected with effort, or dialect coaches would not exist. If you should actually do that when you're not an actor is another matter.

>And on top of that I feel like you're underestimating how slow people learn their native language.
I do agree with this. When people speak about the rate that a child learns, they seem to be leaving off very many details. One very important example in the subject of input versus production is that children learn only through input for a very long time before they do any significant production. Even when they do start making noises, they're focusing primarily on mimicking the phonetics. However, I don't agree that comparing adults and children in learning languages can't be done, just that it tends to be done very poorly.

[Anonymous No.]

Hello again /djt/, I need help in translating this simple lyric from a song:
君に言われるがまま路地を抜け
Does this mean :
"Pass the alley as you were told" ?
I am confused as another guy says this means:
"You say that, passing through the alley"

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>>18194977
>Pure input will never let you get to the level of a native speaker,
please do not converse on the topic of scientific subjects in which you are not educated

[Anonymous No.]

言われるがまま is one thing, I think the guy you spoke to has the wrong idea. Also the subject is the speaker and kimi is someone else so "I pass through the alleyway like you told me to"

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>>18195617
>>18195543

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>>18195543
https://www.weblio.jp/content/%E8%A8%80%E3%82%8F%E3%82%8C%E3%82%8B%E3%81%8C%E3%81%BE%E3%81%BE

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>>18195525
>But how does じゃない change the meaning here?

It doesn't.

>oh stop making that face, it almost looks like i'm at fault, doesn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

おかしい okay how do you differentiate if it means strange or funny?

like in おかしいの話だ

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>>18195657
those are the same meaning of おかしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195657
How do differentiate it in English? Funny can mean comically or strange.

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>>18195662
>>18195662
I'm not a native english speaker but strange for me is something like unusual and funny is something that can me you smile or laugh.

Strange things can't be always funny.

>>18195659
they are the same that is why I'm a bit confused.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195673
you're confusing meaning and translation
strange and funny are different translations of the same meaning of おかしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195662
>>18195657
In a similar question, how do you differentiate whether 面白い means funny or interesting? Context doesn't even help because if you are referring to a person or a book or whatever it could mean either

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195617
>>18195634
I see, thanks for that. Can 君に言われる mean both "As said to you" and "As you told (subject)" ? or just the latter
Another part is this:
終わってしまうような 僕らじゃないだろう
I thought this means something like:
"It wasn't the us that would end"
But the translation said it means:
"It looks like it’s all going to end But we won’t, will we?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195673
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/funny

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195537
>>18195635
Okay I'm retarded, thank you.

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>>18195684
言われる is a passive verb. this random site i found on google should be able to clear things up for you.
https://www.wasabi-jpn.com/japanese-grammar/japanese-passive-form/
and based on the single sentence you gave us, your interpretation is fine. nonetheless, i wouldn't entirely discredit the second translation if it makes sense in the context of whatever this is.

[Anonymous No.]

Should I be using the kanji　有る and 無い　whenever possible? I generally see ある　and　ない written just in kana. I mean, if you know the kanji you should use it wherever possible, right?

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>>18195788
Things like readability should be considered. It's generally not a good idea to pack your sentences full of kanji for unnecessary shit like ある and ない.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195816
But the kanji for 無い looks really cool!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195831
It also depends how many kanji you're already using in a sentence. Get a nice flow and you can also write 無い from time to time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195788
>whenever possible?
No.
>I mean, if you know the kanji you should use it wherever possible, right?
Absolutely not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195845
>>18195840
Whenever I read packaging for Japanese appliances and such it seems like every fucking word is completely in kanji. If there wasn't a few の scattered around I would think it's Chinese.

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>>18194220
It does seem to be going backwards, it will introduce words made up of parts like 禁 AFTER words like 立ち入り禁止.

I don't know man it's just some 10k deck a guy posted here with a yellowish background

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>>18195788
if it means anything, in a more formal setting (workplace, mature novels...), i feel like i see 無い almost always. i also feel as if the opposite is true, i.e. informal (VN, LN, manga, texting...)-> ない. as for 有る, aside from styling purposes, i honestly can't think of a time i see it other than on packaging, as you seem to have mentioned below.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18193603
how do I pull up these stats?
I'm curious how bad I am

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195938
the little bars at the top right in non beta branch, in beta branch it's just the stats button at the top.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18193603
if you just started this is pretty normal

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195938
Oh but if you mean the addon it's called true retention, it's on the anki addons site.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been doing Anki for two weeks now and I'm feeling pretty good. I keep a little notebook where I write down all the new kanji I learn and then practice writing them during downtime in class.

日本語は楽しいな〜

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195958
how are you learning Kanji through Anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195958
now do it for years

[Anonymous No.]

>>18195942
>>18195950
Oh okay thanks I'll check out the addon. The default stats button just brings up a shitload of graphs I can't comprehend

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>>18195961
Most of the words in the 2k deck are in kanji. It usually introduces words using the same kanji together （見る、見える、見せる、見つける、etc)

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw hit 300 in 6k and feeling pretty fine about my progress
>tfw realizing its a mere 5%

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196001
that's a good thing. you still have 95% to start mining before laziness sets in.

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>>18186216
As an anon who's only about a week and a half in, I can say that you'll pick it up immediately when you start on kanji. I jumped into kanji when I hit about 80% correct on the hiragana and katakana decks, and it took maybe two more days after that for those to jump to 100%. れ わ ね will be easy enough to work into your system, but with シ ツ and ソン I got those by memorizing which axis the strokes followed. ン and シ are on the y axis where as ツ and ソ are on the x.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18183116
started doing a kanji by grade course on memrise which is great but how exactly will I know how to spell most of these words the only ones I know how to spell are the ones I've known about like "dog" or "cat"

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>>18193158
Weird, that term isn't tagged as common under the default Rikaisama dictionary. Don't both Rikaisama and Jisho used the same EDICT/JMDict dictionaries? Maybe my defaults have been modified at one point.

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>>18195851
>packaging
That may be a printed space/cost thing more than anything else.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I know if the reading I'm being presented with in core2k/6k is the 音読み or 訓読み?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196141
Why should you care?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196141
you don't

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196147
because natives surely know

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>>18196111
Start using Anki.

I used Memrise for months before realizing it's crap.

What do you mean by 'spell' though?'dog' and 'cat' are both single Kanji.

If you mean what they sound like or how they're spelled with hiragana: lots of memorization. Each Kanji is associated with one or more meanings and one or more (generally two) readings.

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>>18196141
onyomi always are something like きょう, めい, わ and some other more or less monosyllable looking shit
but an onyomi will never look like ねこ、そと etc.

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>>18194993
>o you think it's a coincidence that someone who learns a language at 30 still has an accent 30 years later at 60? It's because they're using sounds that they can't really correct for because they didn't learn those sounds as a child.
http://www.antimoon.com/other/myths-foraccent.htm

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>>18196141
Look up the kanji in a kanji dictionary online. For example 食事 and 食べる
http://kanji.jitenon.jp/kanji/162.html
>音読み：ショク
>訓読み：た（べる）
Therefore 食 in 食事 is using the 音読み しょく and 食 in 食べる is using the 訓読み た. Like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196163
yeah, how they sound some are new to me of course, so I want to make sure I know how to pronounce it.

[Anonymous No.]

What does youkai urani arai mean? Demon something?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196168
Sorry, I forgot that children record their voices in order to produce perfect pronunciations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18194215
Drinking alcohol or using other drugs while studying Japanese (or anything, really) is like smoking cigarettes while training for a marathon. You're shooting yourself in the foot, anon

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196214
おはようおにいちゃん

これ？

>ようかい　あずきあらい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196233
自閉症児

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196233
Man, how you gonna hit me with actual Japanese, when I'm clearly illiterate in that regard? What a bully.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196214
Pretty much pointless without kanji or at least some context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196280
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfVz8UhKF60

I don't know, he's a beatboxer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196292
関西なまりのかただよ

インタビューのあとで

マイケルジャクソンのまねしてるとこはわかった

インタビュー以外はにほんごにはきこえないよ

>うらに洗い

造語

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196336
I don't understand anything, even with google translate, but ok.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196356
it's some word creation of this guy and doesn't make much sense, it's just supposed to sound cool I guess
youkai means apparition and the rest something like "washing in the backside" or something

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196397
Ok, I thought it could mean something.

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>>18195918
Delete that garbage and use the deck in the OP.

[Anonymous No.]

I have now studied for exactly one year. Where am I supposed to be in terms of proficiency based on DJT averages?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196615
It's not like we know how much, how fast or how efficient you learned in that year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196615
If you can't read classical poetry by now you might literally be retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196615
If you can order oknomiyaki and tell them to go easy on the sauce, you're doing good.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196655
Just tell me about your 1 year experience! I mean that's a solid chunk of our lifetimes isn't it?

>>18196679
Oh, sadly I can't read complicated things at all and I also struggle with normal things. But I will keep forging ahead, with this burning desire to surpass even Japanese!

>>18196731
日本で住んでいませんので出来ません。

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>>18196731
>ever telling anyone to go easy on the sauce, ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196751
>日本で住んでいません
I think you need to use に instead of　で

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196760
Maybe, maybe! I have honestly not practiced writing in the slightest.
I have also been busy with other things so I don't read a lot either.
Learning Japanese sure is hard!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196754
>drinking food instead of eating it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196774
>not getting lost in the sauce
shiggy

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196769
>i dont try to learn japanese
>man learning Japanese is sure hard

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196751
>Just tell me about your 1 year experience

Genki + Tae Kim and ~200 kanji. I'm pretty lazy.

>日本に住んでいないので出来ません。

FTFY

You only use the polite form at the end of the sentence, everything before that goes in the plain form.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196782
Not him, but it's hard even if you try.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196783
>You only use the polite form at the end of the sentence, everything before that goes in the plain form.
This isn't necessarily true, using polite form before から is just excessively polite. You can use the long form when you're making a polite request or suggestion.

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>>18196783
I see! I am very bad with grammar but I am far head of vocabulary than you were. Kanji grid says I have over 2000 Kanji in my vocabulary deck and I can read a lot of things! Hopefully I can invest more time to reading this year which will improve my grammar and feeling for using the language. I read through Tae Kim but I will also work through DoJG, hopefully it will all work out. See you guys in a year!

[Anonymous No.]

>かりん糖
うんこみたい

[Anonymous No.]

>japanese is hard meme
I can write and recognize 839 kanji and it's been about three months since I started

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196821
>I'm a fat greasy nerd

Good for you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196821
That's less than 10 a day, so not entirely unreasonable if you spend a few hours practicing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196821
>being this casual

I started 2 weeks ago and already know all 常用漢字.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196821
>>18196833
>>18196835
>>18196847
>they didn't learn japanese just by watching anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196857
I learned English by watching cartoons, but it didn't work for Japanese. It's way too hard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196879
Your native language is probably related to English to some degree. Japanese isn't really harder, just more foreign.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196879
Is your native language an indo-european language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196821
Ha ha! I suppose you are replying to me, albeit indirectly. Like I said, I can too read over 2000 Kanji and if you count having writing cards in your deck as being able to write I can also write over 2350 Kanji. But it really doesn't mean much at all! You see, with 839 Kanji you can't even read Hanahira , you can't understand the most simple things because the simple truth is that this is a very tiny amount! Hell are you even half through core 2k? Even once you finish core2k you will barely understand anything. I also made the mistake of overestimating my progress, but it is only around this time that I feel like I am acquiring a genuine understanding of very SIMPLE things. Like right now I am reading Non Non Biyori and it's actually becoming fun, as opposed to half a year ago when I understood more or less nothing. I doubt you understand anything you read, therefore your Japanese learning time is pretty much only Anki, but I suppose seeing big numbers is a good motivation force so keep going!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196889
>>18196894
I'm slavic, from the county that created the cyrillic alphabet. English is just babymode. Japanese is crazy hard, only the pronunciation is easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196908
Yep, that's related to English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196916
Not at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196928
It is, though.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_languages

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196835
I tried 15 a day for a week and it was too much. I mean the amount of reviews was managable but it totally disturbed my grammar and phonetics related routines

>>18196895
>I suppose you are replying to me, albeit indirectly
Sorry to disappoint you but I weren't, thanks for your warm words of encouragement though

[Anonymous No.]

Why don't we have a board on 8ch instead of concentrating in one thread? Seeing how fast the thread goes we actually have enough people for a board.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196939
Oh, true. It's not really similar though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196947
>we

There he goes again.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196950
It's close enough to have real cognates and share a foundation for how grammar generally works.

The only similarities IE languages have to Japanese are universal grammar and loanwords.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196957
just report, don't respond

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196821
>>18196941
How many words do you know though, or are you doing isolated kanji study?

[Anonymous No.]

Why don't we have a board on 2^3ch instead of concentrating the discusaion in one thread? Seeing how fast the thread goes we have enough people for a board, and that's without listing how many more people there would be if it were all in one place. We wouldn't have to focus the discussion in only one thread, instead there would be the questions/beginner thread and the rest of the board would be free to discuss whatever they wanted about the japanese language. The more experienced ones wouldn't also have to blend with beginners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196957
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196991
Why don't you just go back to >>>/r/eddit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196999
No need to, I'm already on the reddit extension. You must be a masochistic cuck to enjoy doing captchas and waiting cooldown time to post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196991
>we

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>>18196991
You'd never manage to have everyone move to four chan squared, and at best, you'd end up splitting the community even more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196991
How about you start learning Japanese instead of saying stupid shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18196975
>How many words do you know though
it's safe to say that I know at least as many words as I know kanji. I started studying both kanji (isolated) and Genki vocab the same day. The plan is to learn 2200 kanji and all of the Genki vocab in kana just for my grammar drills (so I can focus on grammar without worrying about vocabulary) and after that I'm going to start messing around with some 6k-10k vocab deck without worrying about kanji.
I'm not sure about the genki vocab part since many of the words introduced in it sound archaic as fuck. Well, I understand the appeal of knowing 切手 but I've just barely started for the fuck sake.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18197136
what did you use to learn kanji isolated

RTK was it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18197155
just a hardcopy of RTK + All in one Kanji - Heisig order deck for Anki. The deck is not up to date though.

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>>18197136
That's stupid, stop listening to Heisig's lies.
Start vocab and grammar before individual kanji study.

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>>18196821
you would do well to be a bit more humble
you're still at this stage where you know so little that you don't even comprehend how little you know

[Anonymous No.]

Added 314 cards to mining deck today. Kinda happy because I was scared I was going to run out this month, but now it's gonna be alright.

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>>18197136
>all of the Genki vocab in kana
that's stupid, you're going to have to learn the kanji for those words eventually

[Anonymous No.]

What caused the different meanings in がらがら
do vacant/empty places have random shit clattering around or what?

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>>18197407
Goal 1: to be able to see a kanji and know it's meaning, thus when learning new words I can have a mental map from kanjis->meanings then all I have to do is map meanings->word meaning.

How I'll do it: Anki in RTK order, front side is Kanji, backside is meaning of the Kanji (not RTK keyword) ... I will also write it out for practice.

Goal 2: To be able to Japanese words and know their individual meaning as well as the meaning of the whole (i.e. literacy)

How I'll do it: Anki, front side is a Japanese sentence, backside is anything I need to remind myself what the meaning of the parts and the whole are. I'll also need to be able to read the sentence aloud.

Does this strategy make sense for my goals?

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>>18197245
Why ? It works for me
I'm actually doing both grammar and vocab drills everyday
I think my progress is steady

>>18197246
押忍

>>18197347
Sure thing, but what's the difference then? It's just a method.

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anki is real, guys :D
I've done it for 3 months and just done reading basic section of taekim and I'm able to read most of this
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10011283441000/k10011283441000.html without much effort :D
Something that I would do differently is starting earlier with taekim, if I did it earlier I think I would got way more out of the sentences deck.

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>>18197503
>if I did it earlier I think I would got way more out of the sentences deck.

What sentence deck?

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>>18197514
that optmized one in the guide the 6k one
with pictures and sounds :D
私はとても嬉しいですよ is that correct?
did around 10-20 per day, missed some days
but now I'm super happy

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>>18197481
>what's the difference then? It's just a method.
In my opinion, the difference is that learning the kanji form alongside learning the word is not very much more work (and it can be less work when it uses a kanji reading you're familiar with), while adding it on later will cause it to be an unknown again in many cases. But I've done kanji on everything from the start, including words that are almost never written in kanji, so I can only defend it through my reasoning.

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>>18197407
an empty barrel makes the most noise

Actually, I'm guessing it's coincidental since the pitch accents are different.

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>>18197481
Because when you are reading a novel or manga without furigana you'll be looking up words you know and wishing you had learned the readings

[Anonymous No.]

I got a copy of 日本語総まとめ N3. Anyone here has experience with this textbook? I didn't find it on the links from the OP but seems pretty good so far

[Anonymous No.]

Been reading the Neo Devilman chapter by Go Nagai and found this untranslated bubble that scanlators missed, anyone here that could please translate it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18197605
All textbooks are useless, go read instead.

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>>18197619
>>>/wsr/

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>>18197619
the pleasure of being cummed inside

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>>18197626
>>18197627
It's just one line, can't you help out for once?

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>>18197407
がらがら

からから

ざわざわ

さわさわ

さらさら

うえほどうるさい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18197636
Sorry I'm not very good at japanese, go ask the >>>/int/djt thread instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>18197636
It says
"Akira, your faggotry is unpredented. Please leave this thread forever"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18197646
In that case get cancer and die you dipshit, I hope you get raped by niggers in hell for your faggotry.
Truly more cancerous board than /b/ and /v/ combined.

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>>18197619
I think they merged that with the other one
"that and you'r physically strong"

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>>18197620
Yeah, I struggle with finding shit to read that's not impossibly hard nor 100% kana for toddlers... any recommendations?

So...

What is /DJT/ currently reading and what's your current level?

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>>18197654
leave this place forever

[Anonymous No.]

>>18197654
You're talking about the Deluxe and Revised editions, both of which are untranslated so reading standalone chapters is the only way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18197659
why are you mad at me?

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>>18197665
you spoonfed this asshole >>18197650

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>>18197665
This is not a translation thread. Don't translate things for non-learners.

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>>18197667
The only asshole is you, considering it would've taken exactly 1 reply for you to help out and avoid the shitposting.

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>>18197662
https://translate.google.com/?hl=fr#ja/en/%E3%81%8A%E3%81%BE%E3%81%88%E3%81%AB%E3%81%9D%E3%82%93%E3%81%AA%E3%81%AB%E4%BD%93%E5%8A%9B%E3%81%82%E3%82%8B%E3%82%8F%E3%81%91

I'm talking that they merged two bubbles, that or the guy says the same thing two times

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>>18197671
Oh, probably translators merging bubbles then I guess.

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>>18197669
This is not a translation thread. Don't translate things for non-learners.

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>>18197668
I see now, sorry about that. It will disturb the order of this thread. Not being sarcastic, but I can understand how my behavior can be harmful to the purpose of this thread, if it gets flooded by translation requests

[Anonymous No.]

>>18197693
Thank you for understanding.

[Anonymous No.]

Any good reads on phonetics ?

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>>18197656
寄生獣
Last Japanese level assessment thing I did was >>18166393, I don't know what level that is.

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>>18197721
きせいじゅう

かわいくない

[Anonymous No.]

How do you study from kadansha? just go through each kanji then go back every few and see if you remember them? Does taking the time to write them down and learn the mnemonics help?

[Anonymous No.]

How are 何 and どう used differently/similarly, since as I understand it they both can mean "what" when literally translated?

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I just read a little story by Kawabata (called 日向) and hit a line that I thought was a bit ambiguous.

>「慣れてるんですけど、少し恥ずかしいわ。」
>その声は、相手の視線を自分の顔に戻してもいいと言う意味を含ませているように聞こえた。娘は悪い素振りを見せたと、さっきから思っていたらしかった。

Is she thinking that he (相手) had shown poor behavior, or herself? It's not like these kinds of things are rare in Japanese writing I suppose, but it seems I still have a long way to go before these kinds of things become natural for me.

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>>18197854
どう is more like "how", "in what manner", but the difference is pretty obvious so I wouldn't worry about it.

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>>18197854
reading will help more than explanations, those sorts of words require context to grasp

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>>18197791
I wonder if there is an author out there who would go through the effort of writing a book dedicated to learning 2300 kanji and then forget to put some sort of instructions in it, idk, maybe like an introduction that explains everything? It's a real shame that isn't the case.

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>>18197874
Without any context, I'd guess it's about her.

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>>18197883
>>18197877
Gotcha, I figured reading would make it more obvious. Slightly more info on things like that help me remember better, though.

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Just started reading, first news article is this: http://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/k10011278971000/k10011278971000.html

First sentence:

>観光庁によると, 日本の観光地の約４０００のトイレは、４０％ぐらいが昔からあるしゃがむ タイプの「和式」です。

What I can come up with is:

According to the Japanese Tourism Agency, approximately 40% of the 4,000 Japanese Tourist Attraction toilets (?) are of old style that are squatting types - Japanese style.

The "からある" before "しゃがむ "

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>>18197898
Pressed submit too early.

The "からある" before "しゃがむ " confuses me a bit - is it together or separate? から meaning from (older times), ある essentially meaning "are しゃがむ".

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>>18197889
Yeah I should have provided more context Basically he has a habit of staring at people's faces that he's ashamed of and she gets embarrassed and covers her face, causing him to apologize and feel guilty. I read it as her referring to herself but then looked at a translation and was surprised to find it rendered in the other way. No big deal, I guess, just thought this was a good chance to get called a brainlet on the internet and maybe learn something. I don't really visit this thread often.

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>>18197898
かんこうちょうなにいってるの

どいなかでも

ようしき８割こえてるよ

３割はウォシュレットついてる

[Anonymous No.]

Japanese the Manga Way is the best beginner Japanese guide.

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>>18197944
That was the first book I read on Japanese grammar but I still haven't read any of the manga used in throughout the book. At some point I'll have to do that, I'm sure a few of the series have been uploaded to the CoR.

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おしょうがつおわったし

カレーたべたい

[Anonymous No.]

>tfw busy all day and dont have the energy to read today
Should i force myself anyways even if i know it wont stick? Or should i just skip out/read longer tomorrow to make up for it?

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>>18197898
According to the Japanese Tourism Agency, approximately 40% of the 4000 toilets in tourist areas are Japanese-style squatting toilets that have been there for a long time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198105
Watch anime instead

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>>18198111
with anime i always end up just focusing on subtitles instead of listening like an idiot, and im not at a level where i can watch a show with jap subs without constantly pausing

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198131
Easy solution to your problem, stop focusing on the subs

[Anonymous No.]

Wow, I really underestimated how far OCR has come since the last time I tried using it. Kanjitomo is amazing. It can even accurately detect the low res kanji in a DS game.

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>>18198109
So 昔からある means something like "has been there for a long time/from older days"? からある being ".... from, has been there".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198167
昔 - the olden days
から - from
ある - to exist
to exist from the olden days

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>>18198170
Thanks!

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>>18197944
I went through this one, very good use of time I felt esp. compared to Genki. It doesn't go too far though wish there was non-romaji and a second volume

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198131
Find anime you can enjoy without understanding everything then. Half of all anime are basically softcore porn ffs.

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からくち？

あまくち？

どっちのカレーがすきですか

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198332
どっちもすきだけど、しいていうならからくち

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198332
甘いカレーは乙女専用
男なら激辛をガンガン食え

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>>18198410
からいのたべると

汗でメイクおちちゃうからね

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question: look at the jisho entry for this kanji http://jisho.org/search/%E5%93%A1%20%23kanji
Where does it get those words from? "employee, member, etc."? I can't find it in my dictionary. Is there an authoritative resource for kanji meaning?

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>>18198332
カレを食べるのことがない
辛い料理が好きじゃない
ちなみに甘い肉料理も好きじゃない

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>>18198445
会社員, 従業員, 会員, 店員, 社員, 委員会, 職員, 役員, 事務員, 公務員

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198443
処女じゃないよ
メイクがおちたらOKで
あほぉぉぉぉ

それでも甘いカレーはサイコー

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>>18198261
>Half of all anime are basically softcore porn ffs.
Fuck off dumb normalfag.

[Anonymous No.]

If I take too long with vocab (i.e. by lowering my new cards / day way too much) before reading, will my retention of vocab suffer as a result?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198557
Your mind will quite literally explode if you do that.

So long as you're constantly doing something in moonspeak you'll be fine. Anki is just a supplementary tool afterall.

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>>18198555
He's not wrong

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>>18198555
He's pretty much correct.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198555
>i'm going to pretend western standards are different

Besides, i'd say the ecchi parts are a selling point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198261
>Half of all anime are basically softcore porn ffs.

what's wrong with that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198577
Nothing, I was saying you don't need to understand shit to appreciate tits so theres no point in subs anyways.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198555
>insecure autistic weebs

The GREAT majority of Anime is total trash for idiots like you. There are TONS of good series, but moe garbage only exists to take what meager amount of autism bux you have and put it into the pockets of Japanese jews that don't mind making their living off of the mentally deficient.

[Anonymous No.]

Whenever I consume Japanese for more than two or so hours at once I start burning out and my comprehension plummets to N4-tier. This isn't because I'm not used to reading, I've been reading regularly for years. It's not just text, it applies to listening practice too. The only time this isn't a problem is when I'm playing games because there's so much gameplay between long stretches of dialogue or narration. How do I fix this aside from waiting to be completely fluent?

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know how to get the LNs in the DJT library to show up in top down right to left format? It sucks that it defaults to english standard given how much of a pain in the ass it must have been to scan all of them.

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>>18198626
The good ones weren't scanned.

Also horizontal scrolling in web browsers is absolutely terrible, extremely buggy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198621
stop worrying about comprension
Quantity > quality

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198631
I'm not worrying about the precise meanings or readings of individual words. It happens no matter how deeply I'm reading into what I'm consuming.

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>>18198630
>The good ones weren't scanned.
Yes they were, noone went through and manually copied it, I can guarantee they used a high def scan and OCR. If they were ripping the commercial digital copies they wouldnt be in retardo english mode.

>horizontal scrolling
???
you can have vertical scrolling if you put line breaks after pages. Its a solved problem in every other download aggregator, though having the OCR pre-done as it is here would be an advantage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198639
do you burn out while reading english

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>>18198626
>>18198647
I downloaded a bunch of them and some of them are by default formatted to open in right to left, but for some reason yomichan doesn't work with those unless the word has furigana. In some ways reading western style makes you realize just how great it is when you open a real book or manga and read it how it is supposed to be read.

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>>18198647
>Yes they were, noone went through and manually copied it, I can guarantee they used a high def scan and OCR.
You do know that there are these things called "ebooks", right?

>If they were ripping the commercial digital copies they wouldnt be in retardo english mode.
This is an incorrect assumption.

>you can have vertical scrolling if you put line breaks after pages.
Horizontal scrolling. Not vertical scrolling.

No, seriously though, web browsers are actually terrible at scrolling vertical text with right-to-left line flow. It's not like those massive images that start on the left side. Web browsers are just really fucking buggy, so people can't distribute pages that do that. Get over it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198659
>You do know that there are these things called "ebooks", right?
And Japanese ones are not formatted in this retarded manner. Or are you saying they put in effort to make it shit.

>This is an incorrect assumption.
Show me a commercial japanese LN that's in english format.

>Horizontal scrolling. Not vertical scrolling.
You don't need horizontal scrolling to have a non shit format

PAGE 1 in moonspeak mode
/n
PAGE 2 in moonspeak mode
/n

Or you can be lazy and explicitly paginate them, this isn't rocket surgery.

I guess I'll write a script to do that, but it seems weird as shit that it doesn't already exist.

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>>18198668
>And Japanese ones are not formatted in this retarded manner. Or are you saying they put in effort to make it shit.
Ebooks don't have fixed formatting. They don't individually place each letter or line in the text. The page formatting is generated by the ebook viewer.

>Show me a commercial japanese LN that's in english format.
Anon, please read what you wrote.

>ripping the commercial digital copies they wouldnt be in retardo english mode.
Commercial Japanese LNs are not the end result of ripping commercial digital LNs.

>You don't need horizontal scrolling to have a non shit format
>PAGE 1 in moonspeak mode
>/n
>PAGE 2 in moonspeak mode
>/n
Anon. Are you an idiot? We're talking about html files.

>Or you can be lazy and explicitly paginate them, this isn't rocket surgery.
>I guess I'll write a script to do that, but it seems weird as shit that it doesn't already exist.
Good luck convincing web browsers to open up an html file in the top right corner instead of the top left corner.

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>>18198445
Take Jisho's kanji meanings with a grain of salt.

I don't know what it's based on, but for common kanji it frequently leaves out important ones and for rarer kanji it includes meanings that are impossible to corroborate with any other japanese source.

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>>18198677
>Ebooks don't have fixed formatting. They don't individually place each letter or line in the text. The page formatting is generated by the ebook viewer.
Yes, yes they do have explicit formatting. You can override it, but they include style files.

>Anon, please read what you wrote.
English format, ie left-right top-down.

>Commercial Japanese LNs are not the end result of ripping commercial digital LNs.
Are you retarded? its just ripping out the copy protection.

>Anon. Are you an idiot? We're talking about html files.
And linebreaks and vertical text dont exist in HTML? What are you even saying?

>Good luck convincing web browsers to open up an html file in the top right corner instead of the top left corner.

It's pretty easy actually, in fact it looks like they included it automatically in the css file for certain readers, just needed to copy paste it into the default and its fixed. No clue why they defaulted to retardo mode though.

Well since I solved the problem, it's pretty clear you had no clue what you're talking about, but that was obvious from the beginning.

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>>18198445
also for your 2nd question I recommend

https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/16134/meaning/m1u/員/

Put in a single kanji and select で一致する. The individual kanji page (if there is one) is almost always on the first page, and it contains all of the meanings, useful readings, and loads of example vocab.

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>>18198703
>Yes, yes they do have explicit formatting. You can override it, but they include style files.
Read what I wrote.
>They don't individually place each letter or line in the text. The page formatting is generated by the ebook viewer.
Page FORMATTING is not STYLING.

>Are you retarded? its just ripping out the copy protection.
I'm pretty sure they don't sell ebooks in calibre html export format, anon.

>And linebreaks and vertical text dont exist in HTML? What are you even saying?
\n is literally just whitespace to html. It's not a linebreak.

>It's pretty easy actually, in fact it looks like they included it automatically in the css file for certain readers, just needed to copy paste it into the default and its fixed.
There are zero standard widely-implemented CSS properties that specify to start the viewport viewing the top right of horizontally large webpages.

>vertical text dont exist in HTML
writing-mode: vertical-rl;
Have fun breaking like half the browsers on the planet because Google is evil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198720
>There are zero standard widely-implemented CSS properties that specify to start the viewport viewing the top right of horizontally large webpages.
To elaborate on what anon is saying here, if you go

>html {
> writing-mode: vertical-rl;
>}

the webpage can start in the top right on Firefox but it's not specified behavior in web standards. You have to use Javascript.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198647
>I can guarantee they used a high def scan and OCR
Every single book in the library marked as [retail] is an export from an official ebook.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198720
>There are zero standard widely-implemented CSS properties that specify to start the viewport viewing the top right of horizontally large webpages.
It's a good thing I wasnt asking about the theoretical general best case solution, and simply wanted the one line solution that works 99% of the time in general, and 100% for this type of file.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198746
You might want to reread this post of yours, anon: >>18198647

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198746
You're getting argued with because you're a fucking asshole, not because you wanted something unreasonable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198761
About how you don't need horizontal scrolling to traverse vertical text so long as it's page delineated?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198769
That's not what that post is about.

[Anonymous No.]

horizontal pagination is browser width dependent and requires javascript

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198631
>Quantity > quality
That's what you want to believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18185253
This is my goal as well, I started Mid-Dec but i have a question. Do you write down any word that is new so you can reference it later? I find myself constantly writing down new words to look over later, is this hurting me?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198770
That i was wrong about the sourcing of the files that is irrelevant to the initial point, and in all fairness i shouldnt have even been brought into discussing?

What's your point?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198787
"You're getting argued with because you're a fucking asshole, not because you wanted something unreasonable."

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198789
What part of that post was assholey? I only started being a dick after he started blatantly lying about scrolling and what can be done in HTML.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198799
>after he started blatantly lying about scrolling and what can be done in HTML.
He didn't.
>>18198733

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186137
I second this question

But then again, when do you ever stop learning? I suppose after a few years of Anki I can let it go and focus more on focused reading and plop down any new words or whatever I come across

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198803
Thats a different person, well after the assholeness started. You'll notice i didn't give a dick reply to him. In fact i didnt reply to that one at all..

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198809
That post proves that anon was not "blatantly lying".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186632
This picture makes me physically gag

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198814
Except the listed command is a widely implemented CSS property that does exactly that. It is not universal, but it works in firefox, chrome, and IE, so for all intents and purposes it is. If you want to be generous i suppose you could say he was being deliverately obtuse to the point of obscenity.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198831
It only causes the viewport to start in the top right when applied to the <html> tag, not others like <body>. And it's not a specified behavior, which means that it's completely random that it works at all.

And yes, vertical text is buggy in general: >>18198654

[Anonymous No.]

>>18186922
What the fuck, this is like 3 weeks of self taught study from the absolute zero, please don't pay money for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198839
yes let's respond to deleted bait

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198837
Not the .html part, that was a wrapper he was using for an example, you can link it to the relevant tag to get the desired operation. In fact many of the files, even in HTML do this properly for the titles and certain sub parts but just dont apply it to the style for the subsections.

It's really not random though, every major browser I've tried has consistent behavior with it, though there may be exceptions if you're using a niche browser.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18193115
I'd remember this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198848
>Not the .html part, that was a wrapper he was using for an example
When you first open the .html file that constitutes the light novel, you only start off with the viewport in the top right corner of the horizontally-scrolling page if the writing mode is set to vertical-rl on the <html> element specifically. If you set vertical-rl on <body> instead it doesn't work. There's nothing exemplary about it. It's what you need to do to make it work, and it's not a behavior specified in web standards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198863
All i can tell you is that it is not in the html tag for in the ones I downloaded and it works fine in the title initially, and by manually adding it to subsections I get it to work consistently in subsections as well. You can say it's impossible and inconsistent as much as you want, but I'll trust my own eyes over that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198873
If you have to manually add css to child nodes your css is very wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198879
but it takes two seconds, works consistently, and does what everyone else is claiming is impossible, so i dont really care. If i knew jack shit about css I'd probably be making it autistically perfect though.

[Anonymous No.]

For the command, what is that character after セクシー? Is it just a weird way of writing た?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198945
に

commit suudoku

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198945
it is セクシー　"に！"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198955
Oh yeah you right. I want to die. I'm so retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198963
Don't worry, everyone starts out retarded.ᕦ(ò_óˇ)ᕤ

[Anonymous No.]

Why is the rabbit ending every sentence with ～たん? Some kind of cute speech quirk?

Also, is うさうさうさ the sound a Japanese rabbit makes or what?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199014
>Why is the rabbit ending every sentence with ～たん? Some kind of cute speech quirk?
Yes.

>Also, is うさうさうさ the sound a Japanese rabbit makes or what?
It's the meme for rabbits because they're うさぎ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198808
The only thing that could stop you from doing Anki is fluoride.
Don't forget to avoid fluoride in order to improve your retention rate!
http://www.fluoridealert.org/studies/brain01/
頑張って!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199025
could this be the birth of an epic new meme?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199025
Fluoride is good for you, it helps to calcify knowledge into your pituitary gland, stop spreading your lies.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199037
Enjoy being cooked dinner for dekinai-chan. The only way to combat her is through a strict regimen of daily iodine intake and constant fluoride avoidance.

[Anonymous No.]

ダイアと？んだときは
What's that kanji in the last panel? I think the first radical is 木 but that's about it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199068
Forgot the picture

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199075
髪
Same on as in 髪の毛.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199068
looks like 組

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199075
Which panel? Last panel is
ふんっ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199075
組(む)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199068
The kanji is the one for download higher res scans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199077
retard

>>18199082
smartass

>>18199098
dekinai

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199098
I think it's just a twitter picture

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199117
it's too bad you didn't get trips

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199068
>>18199075
組
Guessed from context and it's probably right

[Anonymous No.]

So when I'm reading yotsuba what exactly should I mine? Every word I don't get or dont go insane with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199350
Its up to you but typically I'd add them until I get sick of it, but not worry too much about it. A day where you read a lot and mine 0 cards is better than a day where you mine 50 cards and read nothing else.

[Anonymous No.]

Got stuck on this character, can someone help?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199462
it's actually two characters, 膣内

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199462
it's an abbreviation of 男の娘

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199462
pretty sure it's 米 or 鬱

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199462
中出しされることの愉快

[Anonymous No.]

>follow a whole bunch of Japanese artists on Twitter so I can get mine even when I'm wasting time not doing my reps
Is that a good way to learn? Cause I have my doubts cause they might be using super casual or broken japanese on there

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199507
Shitty Japanese >>> no japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199507
Even if you end up not learning how to use formal language properly no japanese person expects a foreigner to be polite so it's okay

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199507
i did this and my japanese never stopped getting better

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199514
I thought a little knowledge was a dangerous thing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199531
Any artists you'd recommend following?

[Anonymous No.]

New thread when?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199550
there are way too many lol just find a few on boorus or pixiv and start following the networks made of who they follow too

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199556
when we reach page 11

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>>18199556
If you have a time to post that comment, just make it you lazy satoshi kun.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199584
correction: don't make the new djt until the old one falls off page 10

[Anonymous No.]

When is 4chan going to buy more pages?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199633
When gook moot turns 4chan into a subreddit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18199633
When moot offers his virgin to Hiroyuki

[Anonymous No.]

>doing core
>hit 2k
>have 85% retention
>start reading
>2 weeks in
>retention in core has dropped to 70% and my mining deck retention is at 70% as well
is this normal? should I not even worry about the numbers game?

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Does retention take a hit if you don't sleep? I need to power through the day and I don't want to bother doing my reps early if none of it sticks.

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>>18199117
You don't get to call people retards when you can't figure that kanji out from context.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18198452
>あまいにくりょうり

にくじゃがのこと？

おいしいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200128
what kanji is it then genius

[Anonymous No.]

>>18190945
Adderall.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18192293
>do do

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>>18200318
ESL begone.

[Anonymous No.]

モットジカンカカルヨイ！

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>>18200271
紹, obviously.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200232
肉じゃがは豚肉派？それとも牛肉派？
鶏肉派は死滅するべき

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200348
nice

[Anonymous No.]

鞭
靴
鞄

顎
鍔

ゲイ

[Anonymous No.]

へいアノン
KINO or kino
このキノ？ってスラングの意味を教えてくれ

[Anonymous No.]

So whats the best way to learn vocab? In an actual conversation I forget the words way too much, but reading it I seem to remember it.

[Anonymous No.]

Any of you guys been on a Japanese exchange trip when you were in school?

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>>18200599
Go to bars and chat up Japanese people.

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>>18200590
ググったら一瞬で出てきたけどこれじゃねえの

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>>18200599
Read something you find interesting which you understand 70-90% of and look up words/grammar you don't know. That's what works for me. Learning stuff in context is best and you also get a natural feel for the language.

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>>18199022
Thanks Anon.

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>>18200607
日本人がまとめるスラングは本物じゃないかもしれないから
ネイティブに聞きたかった
でもありがとうね

[Anonymous No.]

Does Japanese really not have a single word that just means hello, only good morning/afternoon/evening?

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>>18200681
Nope, not a single one sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200681
ごきげんようお姉さま

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200681
膣内に出して means hello

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>>18200602
I will try this one more.

By the way My Anki keeps crashing...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200602
Where do I find Japanese people in North Texas?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200742
I'm sure you can find some, pardner.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200749
I said North Texas, not West Texas.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200758
Yee-haw!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200742
Its texas, find one of the giant military cities that makes up 90% of the state and you'll see a bunch of japanese girls who got married to american soldiers.

[Anonymous No.]

>have surgery
>spend a few days on painkillers so I can't study
>start up Anki
>983 due
Oh God

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200829
you thought your weak excuse would protect you?

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>>18200765
North. North Texas.

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>>18200859
It doesn't matter. Nothing can save me now.

[Anonymous No.]

How is the Flying Witch manga compared to Yotsuba?
I can read yotsuba with barely no problems but I guess Fying Witch will have more technical vocabulary that might be hard to understand.

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>Reading normal action manga
>Everything really simple
>Suddenly an entire volume of nothing but technical talk explaining how their abilities and weapons work

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>>18200963
I know the feeling man. I play RPGs and most of the dialogue is really simple until the tutorials or lore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18200954
青森弁

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>>18201001
>青森弁
Does this differ much from the standard dialect? It shouldn't be a problem to look up words right?

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>>18200895
don't add any new card or cut some of your daily quota and start reviewing whatever you can. Everything starts with the beginning, so just start already.

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>>18201011
>Does this differ much from the standard dialect?
Yes. But then, Flying Witch is commonly recommended to beginners, so I imagine it's only spoken by one or two minor characters.

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>>18201017
Thanks, I am going to buy the series then. I guess SOL is generally pretty easy to understand

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>>18200829
What kind of surgery was it that it necessitated narcotics? because I had my sternum literally cut in half and pried open and all I needed to take was ibuprofen. you little baby.

[Anonymous No.]

does anyone in here recommend using mangajin? I think I will start reading it and wondering if it has a lot of errors or if that japanese is too old.

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>>18200769
Nah, around Texas it's all Vietnamese and Koreans that married Americans

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>>18201138
If you're going to buy it, might as well download the scans and check them out to see how you fare.

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Is there any other slice of life and or comedy manga with furigana? Yotsuba and flying witch is what I have so far.

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>>18201651
侵略!イカ娘

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>>18201001
Are you referring to those couple of pages with the old man speaking, the dialogue which has an immediate standard Japanese translation provided by another character? Unless the latest volume is full of that, throughout the first five volumes there are only about three or four pages worth of non-standard Japanese. Yet those aren't an actual issue as the reader isn't assumed to understand it and a translation is provided right after the old man speaks.
I have a feeling you haven't read the series and are merely making an offhand comment based in something you saw posted, being purposely vague enough as to insinuate a greater level of insight than is really present. If so, please refrain from this in future. All it does is introduce unnecessary uncertainty and potentially baseless conflicting information.

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>>18201651
Yes, tons. Check the manga tab in the CoR, it says which manga have furigana. Personally, I recommend からかい上手の高木さん.

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone have the answer key for Genki I, or the Genki I Workbook? I can't find it in the archive.

[Anonymous No.]

I was wondering if anyone here has a .doc or pdf of a blank kanji page with boxes for meaning, readings, and other such things. The ones I keep finding are really just paragraph papers or only have spaces for practicing right the the kanji itself.

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>〆
Jesus. I guess I have more studying to do.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18202117
Never seen it except for dictionaries.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18202157
From the top of my head. Now read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18202117
〆 is cool because it's so unique. Really easy to learn.

[Anonymous No.]

Why is manga so damn cheap? Coloring can't justify western TPBs costing 15 usd right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18202266
western comics are expensive because nobody buys them

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>>18201675
I'm very interested in this one. The first couple of volumes are sold out on CDjapan though. I know it's availible on Nyaa but is there anywhere I can buy it physical? Ebay and craigslist is out of the question.

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>>18202266
Probably doesn't justify the cost but ink costs money and it takes extra work to color everything

[Anonymous No.]

>>18202302
Also nicer paper. But again that doesn't justify the cost. Like >>18202283
said, covering your bases for overhead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18202283
Is that true? I thought they were huge in America

[Anonymous No.]

>>18202309
my hero academia is the biggest comic in america right now

[Anonymous No.]

>>18202309
Not really. Movie adaptations of comics are huge, but no one really reads comics anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18202309
The characters are well known but no-one's cracking the latest X-men or Superman or whatever comic book.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm reading a manga and two characters are standing at a UFO catcher. It's hard to tell whether they've just had a failed attempt or if they're readying up for the next attempt. The sound effect is ウイーン, with イ being half-sized (not able to replicate it with my IME frustratingly).

I know that ウーン can both be an 'oooh' and an 'ughhh' sound, but does the イ give any further indication of which it might be?