/jp/ - Otaku Culture

[Anonymous No.]

READ THE GUIDE BEFORE ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS:
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Alternative guide (not edited, ask for clarification):
https://neodjt.neocities.org/newguide.html

Don't give learning advice if you're a beginner.
Don't argue about learning methods if you're a beginner.
Don't feed drama queens.

Previous thread: >>18128099

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>>18145572
DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1873
Accidentally hit the submit hotkey before adding the subject. Forgive me.

[Anonymous No.]

What is motivating you to learn Japanese anons? I'm half Russian and Japanese and I always felt like a moron for not knowing half my heritage.

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>>18145594
i want to talk to my friends

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Hi, I'm writing a diary in Japanese. Do you mind helping me with giving feedback on my Japanese?

午後２時に起きて6時に彼氏の友達の家へいった。食べ物がたくさんあったが、何も食べなかったよ。彼氏は食べ物の予定にきびしいだったから。
ずっと「これをたべないよ！もっと太ってくないの」と言った。やせているになりたいが、そこまで言うか。。。
それできゅうりやトマトなどしか食べたが、みなは目の前に美味しい食べ物をたべたよ。T_T
食事を食べてしまいましたから、9時にみんなで体育館へいった。かぎがかかっているが友達は体育館の教室だからドアが開いた。10人で夜中までに体育館で遊んで運動した。半時間にストレチングをした。それからフロントフリップを練習したとフロントフリップは最終的にできたよ！！！
体育館の後に彼氏の家へ帰った。みんあまだたくさん食べたが、私はお茶しか飲んだ　T_T.　
ああーーーー！！！　生活はむずかしいだよ。
でも、日本へ行くとき、やせているになりたいだから、頑張ってだよね！！

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>>18145605
I would but I don't want to read the productions of non-natives. Not even willing to google this to see if it's pasta.

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>>18145594
>half Russian and Japanese
What's with the sudden resurgence of hafus learning Japanese? My college class was 50% hafus.

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>>18145549
If you want to skimp out on something, skimp out on the meaning. Being able to read words is more important and you'll find you can often recall the meaning even without explicitly trying to remember it.

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At what point am I going to stop translating Japanese back to English in my head and instead read Japanese as Japanese?

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>>18145656
Around two or three.

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>>18145612
It is not pasta, it's what I did yesterday after new year. I am a second year Japanese student I am going to Japan for five months in september to february (Rikkyo uni in Tokyo)

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>>18145661
Weeks? Months?

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I'm using the core deck from the guide. How do I handle cards where I have the same kanji appearing on the front with no context, and then the same reading, with different meanings?

I feel like I'm going to be in a situation where I'll see 円 and go "えん, that's circle" and it turns out it's actually meant to be the other card.

For 四 too I've seen the same thing. I assume this keeps happening, so how should I handle these situations?

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>>18145666
Another entry from 31-12-2017

３１－１２－２０１７
れしと庶月パーティーへ行ったてライブバンドを見た。しばらくすると私も人の前にうたが歌った！！！
知らなかった人が多なかったからちょっと恥ずかしかっただと。
でもみんなは遊んだり、てを叩いたり、「いいね！」と言った。それでとてもおもしろかっただよ。
それから彼氏とパーティーいる間オランダ料理のオーリボーレンを作った。でも、味はちょっと。。。それなのにみんなが作った料理を食べてしまいました。
彼氏といっしょに３時に帰ったら早く寝た。
庶月からは体の悪い食べものや物事などをたべないとやらないつもりです。庶月まえに始めたて今からつづけている。

Is this ok for a second year student?

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>>18145679
Remember both of them, edit one and suspend the other, or do whatever.

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http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm32495076

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>>18145667
Seconds if you just stop translating to English you god damn retard.

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>>18145685
I made some typo's
かれし
多かった
I think it\s むずかしいだたよ。


etc

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>>18145697
What is this meme? I'm going to make an entry on KYM.

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>>18145759

[Anonymous No.]

Grammatically, Japanese is kind of like Latin in that it has an SOV-ordered, declined nouns. In Latin, one thing you can do is quite freely shift words and phrases around in a sentence -- SOV is a guideline, not a rule. Normally you would only see it in poems and songs, but it's still something that you're technically allowed to do.

Is this legal in Japanese? Not asking if you SHOULD do it, just asking if you can.

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碇草

What the ...

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>>18145778
Japanese does not have declined nouns.

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>>18145778
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_order#Constituent_word_orders
>Similarly, Japanese requires that all sentences end with V, but it could be SOV or OSV.

OSV is probably a marked word order, IDK I don’t speak any

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>>18145780
Not technically, no. Technically it has particulate nominal case and verbs inflectively conjugated upon tense, mood, and register.

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>>18145605
hello

you seem really willing to try out japanese, but its not very good. you made a lot of mistakes, and it is not very natural.

keep up the attitude, and living in japan will do you some good. attitude counts for a lot, so i think you can do it.

>>18145656
it takes a long time. don't trust the try hard idiots in this thread. certainly, you can sort of do it from early on (much like people who watch anime claim to be able to speak japanese, lol). but to be able to think independently in japanese takes a long ass time. when you ccome across a word you don't know (that isn't some basic ass retard word), you have to be able to figure it out via context and still be able to continue reading/listening without skipping a beat

t. its 3am and im really drunk and speak japanese well

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>>18145815
Tense, aspect, and register.

[Anonymous No.]

おきちゃった

おにいちゃん

おしゃべりして

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>>18145812
In speech you still often have situations where the verb comes first.

とっくに忘れた、そんなことを・・・

Take these things with a grain of salt.

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From previous thread, I just want some clarification. Sorry for asking something so redundant.

So I started Anki with the recommended deck in the guide. I'm not sure if I'm doing it wrong.

So I'm presented with a word, and I have to guess correctly on its meaning and its pronunciation?

Because I'm honestly having trouble with it. There are times where I can remember the meaning but not how to say and I still on like the first 20 cards.

I've read the alternative guide, and it argues that its purpose is to be familiar with the words and not exactly everything.

So is it okay if I recognize the word, the meaning, but not the pronunciation? I feel guilty for moving ahead to the next card when I can't even say the word.

Thoughts? I read the Kanji in its English meaing first, then attempt to translate it in Japanese in my head, and I usually fail.

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>>18145857
>>I've read the alternative guide, and it argues that its purpose is to be familiar with the words and not exactly everything.
>So is it okay if I recognize the word, the meaning, but not the pronunciation?
There's no way to get that idea from what the alternative guide says.

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>>18145827
Mood too. Imperative, conditional, even optative. (I love the optative mood.)

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>>18145857
drunk dude chiming in again

if its any help, it really doesn't matter what you do. before youre able to do any actual /productive/ reading it is going to take a long ass amount of time.

remember what you can. youll see each kanji so many times it'll make your eyes bleed, and you'll still sometimes forget shit.

you're still in the early stages, don't sweat it.

i read a lot of lit in japanese (lately im trying to read through all of natsume souseki's works), and there are a lot of kanji that i know the meaning of, and can sort of guess the reading, but don't know for sure. granted, they aren't used in daily life, but it still applies.

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When did you guys start learning japanese?

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>>18145857
You got a reply cross-thread but I suppose an emoji posting retard can't be expected to figure that one out.
Honestly just stop posting on /jp/ already.

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過ぎたるは猶及ばざるが如し

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>>18145890
>i read a lot of lit in japanese (lately im trying to read through all of natsume souseki's works)
Good luck with 薤露行

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>>18145857
I'm 1,500 words into the 6k deck, but I recall the first 10 cards are just counting 1-10. If you're struggling with that, you should just quit while you're ahead.

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>>18145812
>Similarly, Japanese requires that all sentences end with V, but it could be SOV or OSV.
"requires" is not true

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>>18145848
おしゃべりはおしゃぶりしてから

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>>18145957
gave it a quick look over on aozora, and it don'est seem that bad. i've read a lot worse.

didnt mean 'trying to' in the sense that it is a struggle, moreso in the sense that he has a lot of books to read :v

before i went into my soseki craze, i read hakai. that one was a bitch.

also, i like his later works a lot more than his early works, although kusamakura might be my favorite, after kokoro.

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今日は帰る。。。私の家族を残す。。。

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>>18145988
Man, use proper punctuation. You need to go to a Daily English Thread instead.

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>>18145988
What did you like about kokoro? It's was pretty boring for me, just going on and on about an ordinary life stuff. it gets better towards the end. Also I find hiw writing somehow poor, probably I'm not so used to short sentences and using tons of pronouns in japanese.

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>>18146032
i loved every minute of it. it is beautifully written and so very subtle.
the sense of isolation throughout is particularly compelling. and the entire guilt bit. i also really enjoyed the dialogue in the first part.

you're right about the end being the most interesting, but the build up is fantastic

>>18146022
fuck off idiot

[Anonymous No.]

Has these threads always been like this? Some days its nothing but information sharing, other days its a blogspam for anons and other times its back and forth stupid arguments.

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>>18146111
Yes
Source: I've been here since the thread actually was "daily" and OP posted Kanji

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>>18146111
Pretty much, most days nothing is posted for hours though.

I guess since it's the new year and people flock in with their resolutions of learning Japanese, the number of posts increases, making you aware of how noxious these threads are.

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>>18146111
I personally think we hit a new low, I haven't posted in weeks cause the overall quality of posts seem to be lower than ever and I just don't see the point in browsing this thread anymore.
I literally only come here for the downloads.

[Anonymous No.]

How to config mpv so that subs are off by default?

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>>18146341
no-sub-visibility

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>>18146348
Thanks!

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>>18146353
You can also try sub-forced-only for when there's single lines in a different language.

Not many subtitles make use of this however.

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>>18146406
This is fine for me. I'll just turn it on by hand if there's forced subs, since that rarely happens.

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>>18146009
おにいちゃん、いかなくてください！

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>>18146499
自閉症児

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>>18146499
>いかないでください

ちゃんとせよ、ボケ

[Anonymous No.]

What do you do to make yourself study anons?

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>>18146684
I try to do some work for university, solve math problems or something. Eventually I get so bored I procrastinate by studying Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

have you ever read a Japanese recipe? made something using one?

[Anonymous No.]

>Try to look for ways to get to Japan
>http://jetprogramme.org/en/countries/
>My country had 1 participant in all 5 years of JET

What are my chances?
Curse you English natives!

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>>18146710
>>>/int/

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>>18146697
Yes tons, I love cooking, why?

Made 4 kinds of cookies this christmas, two from Japanese recipes.
One of them had Matcha in it and my family hated it.

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>>18146716
>waa waa fucking real life REEEEE

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>>18146735
Just stop posting already man.

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>>18146721
That's great! I was just curious. I'm not really good at cooking myself, but maybe one day I'll learn it like I'm learning Japanese now.

[Anonymous No.]

あけおめことよろ

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>>18146895
Bit late

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I just want to say, the conversation about what the nature of this thread should be and the declining quality that we had here around the end of the last thread is half deleted, as predicted, because of these gatekeeping morons. Yet there's a whole conversation entirely untouched afterwards about what is harder, ''learning japanese or getting a girlfriend''. How the former is deletable, off-topic and the latter is acceptable in a language learning thread is beyond me, but this needs to stop, and maybe we'll have to go to /qa/ with this. I was even issued a warning for discussing in the same way that things to discussed to create the guide, by debating what would be more helpful to users. If DJT can't discuss its own nature and resources, then this place becomes useless for people learning the language.

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>>18146895
>>18146916
弁償としてプリン買ってきてね！
羊羹も。

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>>18145572
>>18145582
You had one fucking job, son.

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>>18146710
English isn't the only language they want foreign "teachers" for.

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>>18146943
They only took one in 5 years and it wasn't an ALT.
Don't really know what a CIR does but I need JLTP for that, which shouldn't be a problem, but still.

Gonna look around for other exchanges.

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>>18146927
>go to /qa/ with this
The fuck are we gonna do in /qa/?

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Is JET the only way to work in Japan as a foreigner? What about all those people before 1980 who were grandfathered into dual citizenship. They don't need to do that shit right?

[Anonymous No.]

What are your favorite apps to study with anons?

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>>18146986
Perfect Viewer.

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>>18146986
Unironically HelloTalk.

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>>18146986
I use Manga Storm CBR on my iPhone. Don't know if there are better apps to read manga with but it has been serving me pretty well.

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>>18146966
Tell them that these 2-3 people attempting to control conversations and steer them away from language learning, and shitting on anyone attempting to ask questions are not the ''leaders'' of this thread and are actually responsible for the declining quality. These 2-3 people keep reporting posts that don't fit their views and mods simply delete what's being reported, even though the posts are actually language learning related and less off-topic to DJT as opposed to conversations about VNs and girlfriends.

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>>18146983
You don't need JET if you're a Japanese citizen anon...

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>>18147020
I'm pretty sure it's just one mod who frequents DJT and deletes everything he doesn't like. He has been rampaging here for a long time.

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>>18147028
Things are getting deleted? The last two threads hasn't had a single thing removed.

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>>18147020
What this guy >>18147028 said. It's autistic mod(s) that are deciding how conversations should go. It would make no sense for them to delete "what is harder, girlfriend or japanese?" but it would make sense that they are deleting conflicting opinions.
So if you want to do anything on /qa/, go reee about the autistic mods. You might start a movement there.

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>>18147036
the last thread had a lot of rule-breaking bullshit actually
fun fact: complaining about 4chan's moderation is directly against the global rules, which means that >>18146927
and >>18147020 and >>18147028 are breaking the global rules

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>>18147042
also this post is breaking the rules too >>18147040

[Anonymous No.]

Could calling someone baka ever be construed like calling them silly or being cute? Or is it too harsh? What would be a more appropriate word for something like this?

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>>18147048
No way, dummy!

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>>18147016
I use the honto.jp app, but mostly because I buy my books from there.

The quality is sometimes bad and zooming in doesn't really help. I wonder why scans by fangroups are so much better in quality.
But I still want to support the authors I like.

Plus they have a selection of free stuff that changes every couple weeks, which is nice.

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>>18147048
Yes, and it's pretty common in Japanese media. Obviously, though, it depends on how close their relationship is.

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>>18147042
Lol I'm not against how 4chan moderates. It's just that one guy might be doing a shit job, and if that's the case, the guy who brought it up should go to /qa/ with it.

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>>18147048
阿呆

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>>18147056
I hope you're a woman because if not...

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>>18147061
even telling people that they belong on /qa/ belongs on /qa/ because it's meta

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>>18147066
Reminder that gender identity is a cultural mirage and only the aesthetic markers that are used to build gender identities have any meaning, and are independent of genders themselves.

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>>18147036
See
>>18142230
>>18142358
>>18142526
and onwards, a lot of posts referring to some deleted posts, even though they weren't explicitly off topic, and were actually discussing how to make the thread a better language learning resource.

>>18147028
Yeah I get that, but that mod is actually showing up because one or two guys are always reporting what they deem triggering, it's not so much the mod's fault as it is the fault of the same 2-3 gatekeeping assholes attempting to control conversations by reporting everything they don't like.

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>>18147068
You're the autistic illiterate retard, why would I take anything you say seriously?

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>>18147075
illegiterate*

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>>18147066
I'm not.
The 人気 page doesn't show personal recommendations, just what's popular overall.

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>>18147077
It's funny that people like you always have the dumbest responses. Thanks for confirming you're autistic.

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>>18147042
I'm not complaining about the mod, I'm complaining about the assholes reporting the type of discussion that helped create the fucking guide in the OP, yet tolerating anything about VNs and girlfriends. It's ruining what DJT used to be and is supposed to be. Once again, you're using the mods as your own hounds and sicking them on anyone who trigger you, even though what I'm saying isn't actually breaking any rules.

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>>18147092
autismal*

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>>18147093
If you think tolerating VNs is a problem then you don't belong on /jp/ at all.

[Anonymous No.]

this is all because imouto is gone

[Anonymous No.]

How far into your studies are all you anons? I can more or less read through Dragon ball and only need to look up every other kanji. Really feels good when you start seeing progress.

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>>18147118
I can read manga and doujinshi without a dictionary. Still can't read VNs without looking up words every two textboxes. Don't know why.

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>>18147123
I have trouble with VNs too. Maybe it's cause Manga is aimed at younger aged people.

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>>18147101
I don't mind it, but this thread has now become mostly a VNs and blogposting general, and if that's the case it should change its OP. People are showing up with language learning questions but get rebutted unless it's a N1 question with stuff like ''read more'' which is a non answer, or ''read the guide'' even though the grammar question asked isn't covered in the guide at all. If you want this thread to be mostly about VNs, there's already a general thread for that, so why are you trying to make this general into a second VN thread?

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>>18147127
I just think my brain is better at handling vertical text.

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>>18147131
Nothing you just described is representative of reality. Learn Japanese maybe?

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>>18147115
accepting these kind of autists is what kills a general in the long run and makes it a cancerous circlejerk
bullying him out of the thread is the right thing to do

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>>18147118
I can read, watch and play everything I want to while barely mining anything.
Should really take that N1 exam sometime soon, but don't know what to use it for.

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>>18147131
You have to work a little harder to get answers to difficult questions about the finer points of the language, but that's mostly because there's much less people qualified to answer those questions. You can still get them if you work for them.

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>>18147138
You just gave a perfect example of those non answers I'm talking about. A lot of people in the last thread were agreeing with me about what this thread has become and what it should be, so try giving actual arguments instead of your unrelated bot-tier reply.

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>>18147118
I can read almost anything that's just standard Japanese. I get tripped up pretty easily once they start using more rare words or there's high information density.

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>>18147150
You can work at a Japanese company with it. How long have you been studying?

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>>18147158
Your post wasn't about Japanese.

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>>18147151
No anon, they're saying that things like "what does ね mean?" get "read more", not advanced things.

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Newfag to DJT here. Allowed topics of discussion are
>Questions regarding learning Japanese
>Discussions on studying methods
>Questions about individual progress
Is that correct?

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>>18147164
>How long have you been studying?
Around 4 years, maybe longer.

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>>18147165
It's about how to make this thread a better Japanese language learning resource, which is what this thread purports to be about.

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>>18147178
Where did you get the idea that this thread is about how to make this thread better?

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Anyone using Anki on linux? I can't get it to use my gtk theme for some reason
And yes I read and did https://anki.tenderapp.com/kb/problems/anki-not-picking-up-gtk-theme-on-gnomelinux

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>>18147175
Actually no, with the gatekeeping anons in this thread, those are all meta and off-topic. Actual allowed subjects are now:
>>Girlfriends
>>Cartoons
>>Comic books

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>>18147168
It's perfectly okay for simple questions like that to get "read more" responses, even if people write entire books on the finer points of yo and ne*, since that's the answer. If a difficult question gets a dismissive response you're free to white-knight the question asker. These problems solve themselves with enough talk as long as nobody commits to militant shitposting.

* I recommend "The Japanese Sentence-Final Particles in Talk-in-Interaction", written by Hideki Saigo at the Kansai Foreign Language University.

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>>18147175
Ask whatever you want thats even mildly related, just don't ask dumb shit answer by the OP unless its regarding lack of details that you don't get.

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Guys

日　＋　青　＝　晴

Because clear skies are blue and sunny.

天才だ。

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>>18147185
Discussing methods is what helped make the guide you moron. If we always allowed you assholes to call all these conversations meta and off-topic, we would never have this guide. You really need to fuck off and stop ruining this thread with your bullshit, you obviously are a recent arrival to this thread.

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>>18147204
I made like half of the text in the old guide and "discussing methods" is basically 10% of what went into it at most. And it would have been better if we didn't do that.

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>>18147189
Yes, I think it used qt instead of gtk. At least it does for me on arch.

Try qtconfig-qt4 and set the gui to resemble gtk+.
There's an option for that in the first dropdown.

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>>18147204
No, anon, what people are calling meta is your schizophrenic diarrhea about how bad other people are. Not arguments about learning methods. Though beginners arguing about learning methods really need to fuck off.

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>>18147203
For some reason I always fuck 晴れ up. It never occurred to me the kanji was that literal.

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>>18147207
Oh shit, you're right it uses qt. Thanks!

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>>18147118
Finally begun making some decent progress with kanji after having difficulty with it for some time. Still got a ton of new ones to go, but I feel like I've actually got an okay rhythm and consistency to learning and recalling them after it was nothing but wrong guesses for weeks when I first started.

As for my actual japanese I'm pretty happy with where its at. I'm still learning grammar and stuff at a good rate, and I think my progress is more hindered by vocab than anything else at this point (I know how to say something, I just don't know the words to say it yet) which I'd say is an okay problem to have since it will fix itself soon enough.

I still don't know how to into reading though. I can't hardly read even よつばと without spending more time with a dictionary/notebook/translator than I do looking at the actual manga. I can't tell if reading just isn't for me, or if I'm just doing it wrong somehow; it ends up being more frustrating than something that actually gives me confidence I'm learning or improving in any way.

>really feels good when you start seeing progress
This is how I felt earlier today when I was playing a game and recognized the kanji for a new character's name and actually recited it like it was an anki flashcard and when I heard them say the name and it was correct I felt happy. It was the first time I've ever recognized/read a kanji that wasn't some 1-3 stroker or other incredibly common one.

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>>18147206
No you didn't, stop lying.

>>18147210
What methods are best for learning is not set in stone and people can always argue this point. Top linguist worldwide are still arguing this, yet you're above that and deem that this thread shouldn't discuss that anymore? Once again, you assholes aren't the leaders of this thread and don't get to report people for discussing meta aspects of language learning.

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>>18147118
2 years and same as >>18147162.

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>>18147118
seven years and can't read shit because i never studied vocab even once in my life

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>>18147225
>No you didn't
I did.

>While this guide is not going to be enough to teach you these skills, it will give you an idea of how to go about acquiring them.

>This guide only aims to introduce you to the Japanese language and show you how to get started. The rest is up to you.

>The Japanese writing system consists of three scripts: hiragana, katakana and kanji.

>Hiragana and katakana, together referred to as the kana, are two phonetic scripts, each containing 46 characters. They represent the same sounds, but are used for different purposes.

>or which the writer chooses not to use kanji for

>and emphasis (similar to italics), among other purposes

>These logographic characters of varying complexity represent parts of words, or sometimes whole words. Japanese high school students are required to learn at least 2136 kanji as part of the curriculum, but up to around 3000 are used somewhat regularly in modern life.

>The purpose of a grammar guide is not to grant you "mastery" over the language (which only comes through lots of practice and exposure), but simply to introduce you to the fundamentals of the language and give you the foundation that you need to start reading native material.

>Manga is the common recommendation for first getting into reading, especially Yotsubato with the Yotsuba Reading Pack.

>Tae Kim should serve you fine for easy manga, but it only covers basic grammar.

>written and presented by a native Japanese linguist

It goes on, but I wrote or rewrite these sentences at various points during the guide's development. I arbitrarily stopped taking quote when I got bored it. I have writing throughout the entire guide except for the FAQ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147212
I just had an "aha!" moment while writing it out.

What are the most strangely literal kanji? I don't think I'll forget 晴 again after noticing it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147246
taking quotes when I got bored of it*

Really shows how bored I am!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147118
1.5 years in, I can read most shounen shit and light novels easily

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147247
膣

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147230
What did you do all seven years?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147225
Beginners do not have a place to control the public opinion on topics that they are not experienced enough to understand. If you don't understand why it's a problem for beginners to control the conversation through sheer numbers, you do not have an argument to say about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145679
As long as you know both, you'll be fine. You should be able to figure out which one it is from context pretty easily. It's better for you to recognize that it has two meanings so you don't read a sentence and think "How is he paying for his sandwich with 300 circles?" or "How is he drawing Yen on the board?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147260
there's really nothing worse than two beginners arguing whether they should do core or rtk

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147256
learned grammar more or less properly, then got into the habit of looking up words as needed and forgetting them immediately afterwards

i mean at this point through sheer exposure i can read a lot of really simple stuff and can even parse 90% of harder stuff but the stuff i can't read is the 10% that's important

[Anonymous No.]

So say I want to study Japanese to play Dragon Quest. Realistically how long would it take for me to play and understand it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147270
Not very long, especially if you target the common vocabulary used in the game's menus, mechanics, and plot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145778
I took Latin in high school, and I feel like it helped me a little with Japanese study. I find that I'm never confused about when to use に vs　で because Latin drilled in the concept of "motion towards" taking a different ending, or in this case a different particle.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147247
蠢

Bugs in the spring, what they do? wriggle.

Most compound kanji is easy like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147270
If you don't mind having to constantly look shit up, a few months. If you do, a couple of years.

[Anonymous No.]

私は日本語を出来ないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147277
象形, 指事, 会意 a great

形声 a shit

A SHIT

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147270
dq11will have come out in the US before you can learn enough w/o looking up words too often (unless you find a Anki deck with common DQ words). i had the same question last thread.

ill still import it eventually though, same with persona 5.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147270
>>18147317
Just import the games and give it a try. Imported my first game after just having learnt hiragana.

Why are you afraid of looking up words too often? That's literally how you learn.

Persona 5 is piss easy though. Barely mined anything aside from some medical words because I dated the nurse chick.
Nier: Automata was surprisingly easy as well, I expected way more obscure android terms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147270
The 3DS version of 11 has hiragana, so it's not as uncomfortable for a beginner as other games. Just play it with a 辞書 at hand after studying for a few months and you'll be (probably) fine. You'll also learn as you play.

Joker 3 doesn't have hiragana, but most of its kanji usage is relegated to really common words, so it's a pretty easy play as well.

Right now my target is Macross 30, which makes me wish animelon had some Macross series uploaded for practice...some of the military vocab that shows up every once in a while is a pain in the ass to remember. Then again, I've only been studying for about 4 months and it feels pretty good to understand most of CM3D2, so it's just a matter of time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147317
My goal isn't to play XI. It's to play XII. I figure I have a good 3-4 years before that's out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147347
>hiragana
Furigana*
Please forgive my idiocy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147340
Isn't it bad to that? A couple threads ago some anon was saying studying with production will fuck you over in the future.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147355
That's not production.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm still messing up on words that I first saw months ago that I really shouldn't be messing up by now. Should I just suck it up and start doing RTK? I know that'd eat into my already-scarce study time, but I feel like a lot of this stuff isn't sticking at all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147340
good point. ill probably import both before long. i wanted to replay persona 5 anyway.

both 3ds and ps4 are region free right? also where do you import games from (sorry, off topic I know)?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147355
That's literally the opposite of production.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147365
dunno about ps4, but the 3ds isn't region-free. You can however install homebrew on most 3ds systems: >>>/vg/hbg

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147365
3ds isn't, but the switch and ps4 are.
I bought a Japanese 3ds on nippon-yasan.com, then everything else digitally.

You can use a local credit card on 3ds, but you'll have to use gift cards on region free consoles.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147386
Christ what the fuck. Just install CFW and you can play all those Japanese games for free even without a Japanese 3ds.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147352
I'm surprised the PS4 version doesn't have it either. Ain't the game for kids?

[Anonymous No.]

What the fuck is this production = bad people keep spewing?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147426
It's very good, but takes up a lot of time. There certainly is no objective answer whether or not it's worth it and everyone should decide for themselves if they want to write things out or not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147405
I needed a 3ds anyways, so why not buy a Japanese one?

>>18147419
DQ VII has them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147426
I guess the argument is that attempting to produce Japanese sentences when you're a beginner who still needs to read grammar guides and consult J-E sources may ingrain bad habits, especially since DJT is geared towards self-study which means that most people here don't have fluent or native speakers to constantly correct their mistakes.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147426
Studies show that production early on in language learning is detrimental compared to people who only use input, probably since it ingrains bad patterns and habits which screws people over in the long run.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147446
It's entirely irrelevant what region your 3DS is if you put CFW on it. Personally I'm not going to put myself under so much stress just to be able to pay for Japanese games, if there is a stress-free option to get those games for free and without any waiting time. Until releases are global, with the same content and include language options this rotten industry won't see a dime from me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147463
I hacked my Wii U to play #FE and XCX, but I still imported both of those games.

The industry might be bad but I still want to support the people that make the games and have no say in how it releases.

With the switch being region free, I hope I won't have these problems anymore.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147449
>>18147452
while this is all somewhat true the actual argument that gets posted sounds more like this most of the time "fucking normies go back to /int/ REEEEE"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147496
fucking normie go back to /int/ REEEEE

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147496
Apparently it's the way it should be, and discussing about this behavior and how detrimental it is to this thread is apparently against the rules and worthy of being reported for the gatekeepers and rulers of this general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147496
No, you get told to go to /int/ when you stop talking about learning Japanese or Japanese media and instead talk about your fucking JLPT, moving and living in Japan or any such things that don't belong on the /jp/ DJT. Or at least that is how it should be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147247
>>18147203
走る
足

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147426
Production is only useful if you have someone on hand to correct all the weird shit Japanese you accidentally end up using. Otherwise you train yourself to use weird shit Japanese and maybe even exposing other students to it, and not even the fun weird shit Japanese that foreign anime girls have.

>>18147203
囚

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of importing games, why are Japanese games so ridiculously fucking expensive? Even digital goods are upwards of 80k yen on PSN. I saw that DQ11 was 40% off and was interested, but even with that discount it's still 50 bucks when you convert it to USD, like, damn.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147601
Maybe the real problem is games are too cheap in the U.S.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147279
I live in South America and imported Japanese games still manage to be cheaper than the localized ones

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147601
I live in South America and imported Japanese games still manage to be cheaper than the localized ones

[Anonymous No.]

What have you guys been using since Rikai-sama died. Is rikai-chan worth moving to the botnet for

[Anonymous No.]

What's the best way for me to start using Anki again? I haven't studied in about 6 months. I got through about 400 words. Is it best to just start over since I wasn't too far in, or is there some settings in Anki I could fuck with to make getting reacquainted easier?

Thanks in advance.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147680
Doesn't it work on Firefox ESR?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147669
Doesn't it work on Firefox ESR?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147118
2 years
reading only started at about 8 months in
rarely need to look up grammar now, reading speed slowly increased, conversational dialog is easily, internal monologue with the thousands of various adjectives and adverbs(usually brand new) is slow and tedious.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147536
>JLPT
>Japan-Language proficiency test
>not related to learning Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147680
just start over at 40 words a day and "easy" the ones you still remember well, lower to 20 when new new ones show up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147783
It baffles me how these people are arguing this sincerely. JLPT is now off-topic blogposting, yet asking about girlfriends isn't. We really need to get rid of these gatekeepers, I'd even be willing to trade them with imouto and sakubi, who aren't as much a bother as these delusional idiots.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147127
There are hundreds of magazines publishing manga aimed at a older teen/young adult audience. It's probably more to do with the shift in general expression and focus away for extralinguistic, visual prompting. This is a difference you'll likely clash with initially if you start reading novels, as they take that shift one step further.

[Anonymous No.]

On the JPLT topic, is N5 really approximately 105 kanji? Seems too easy. Why do people fail this level?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18146927
>then this place becomes useless for people learning the language.
It's never been useful for anyone learning the language.

>>18147134
Just read something with vertical text like Albatross.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it wise to separate "reading for enjoyment" and "reading for improvement"?
For example, setting a goal of reading an NHK article a day, and reading whatever piss easy LN or porn game the majority of my time spent reading.
I try to mix the two so I can pass the N1 soon, but I end up burning myself out by trying to force myself to read tougher material instead of whatever I actually feel like reading.

[Anonymous No.]

So what does having an N1 really entail? Like...does it help my get jobs at Japanese companies or some shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147826
Grammar, probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147834
You can use it to brag on anonymous imageboards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147834
A sense of pride and accomplishment. Also, yes businesses love useless certifications that mean nothing other than "I know the thing I told you I did and I paid money to prove it". Just like the Western world.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147828
there has to be an in between. is there a non-manga/anime thing you are interested in? read a japanese book on it. for example, i bought the guide to my local art museum in japanese - it has paragraphs of descriptions of paintings and stuff, very helpful and i enjoy the content as i visit the museum often.

find something like that. itll probably be harder than VNs or LNs but will be easier to read.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147834
>Like...does it help my get jobs at Japanese companies or some shit?
yes. JPLT is, for better or worse, how you prove to someone you know japanese to a certain level. doesn't matter if it's actually a good indicator or now, that's just how it is.

[Anonymous No.]

At what JLPT level do you need to be to become a translator of VNs/manga/LNs?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147852
Check out Nintendo Treehouse's "work" and realize that you can be N5 using a machine translator and making up 99% of the content.

[Anonymous No.]

Is narazaru a Japanese word, or phrase? I remember hearing it about a decade ago, most likely from some tv show. I don't know why it's been stuck in my mind for so long.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147852
You don't even need to know English, never mine Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>お店の中での迷子でよかったよ

My best guess is that でよかった is a permutation of てもいい and the sentence therefore means something like

"It was okay to be a child lost in the middle of the store"

Otherwise, what did I fuck up?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147875
glad that x

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147875
I don't even know what a permutation is

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147851
I wonder how important the JLPT would be for all the Japanese Americans. Would they still be required to prove it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147862
It's the 連体形 of the archaic negative form of the verb なる.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147877
He's glad that she was lost?

[Anonymous No.]

anyone planning to take JLPT in New York in December? I know it's a year from now almost, but see you there ~

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147881
If you have japanese blood you're basically guaranteed to get any job related to japan, even if the gaijin that you're competing with have better skills than you

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147887
as opposed to disappeared

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147875
よかった is indeed the past form of いい but it's generally used to express relief/gladness. In this case, he's saying it was a good thing that she got lost inside the shop, since it's a small place, as opposed to getting lost outside or in a big department store or something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147193
DJT was only ever for learning Japanese in the context of comics and cartoons. You are being just as much of a gatekeeper by trying to force it to become a generic language learning thread, which it isn't.
Lumping in 'girlfriends' is also really dishonest. That sort of shit has never been welcome and most of the time it gets deleted or ignored.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147900
djt was founded to create translators for japanese media in general

it has nothing to do with anime/manga in particular, /a/ is just the most active japan-related board, so it ended up being created there

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147875
てよかった is its own thing that you honestly could have found just by searching for it on the internet instead of trying to match it to the closest grammatical thing that you do recognize

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147895
>>18147897
手伝いにがありがとう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147909
it's not てよかった, で is the context/circumstance particle there, not the て form of だ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147913
かわいい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147891
がんばってね、おにいちゃん！　あそこであいない？　あたしもいしょうけんめいべんきょうしてみる。。。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147913
手伝ってくれてありがとう*
頑張って名無しくん

[Anonymous No.]

Google翻訳は、すべての形式のメディアに使用できるようになりましたか？

[Anonymous No.]

I feel like I'm too fuckin dumb for this VN. Maybe I should downgrade to Hanahira or Flyable Heart.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147900
No, being a gatekeeper would be if I only wanted language discussion to be a certain way. What I actually want is all discussion related to language learning to be permitted. I call the assholes here gatekeepers because they either insult or report any subject they don't like, even if it's DJT related. Cartoons and comic books aren't the only thing DJT used to discuss, and now the gatekeepers are going so far as to be triggered by discussions about JLPT. This shit has gone far enough.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147948
>Hanahira
Even Japanese natives struggle to read Hanahira.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147935
そうなんだね。ていうかもう日本語を勉強しても意味ないんでしょう。
みんなおつかれさまでした！楽しかったです！俺は先にいくから！

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145582
It's better to have the tab say "READ THE GUIDE"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147971
That's a good point but it can just go before the rest of the title.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147913
教えてくれてありがとう*

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147875
you are wrong though

>it's good you got lost inside the shop (instead of going lost somewhere else)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147875
full explanation of the entire scene because you're getting conflicting responses

>thanks
>it's fine

>this is the first time i've called someone [to the desk] the whole time i've worked here
>desuyone

>I mean it's pretty hard to get lost in a store this tiny!

>okyakusama!! (shocked that he'd say something so rude)

>I finally found you!

>d-don't touch me, you freak!
>you're the one that grabbed/glomped me, though...

>anyway, I'm glad you were just lost inside the store (as opposed to something else unspecified, like disappearing [they talked about hina possibly having problems being apart from gotou when leaving the apartment because she's like a house-haunting spirit] or getting lost outside or in a larger place [hina has a very bad sense of direction])

>yeah! you would be! what the hell, abandoning me like that!
>eh?! wait, i mean...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148037
just glad you were lost inside the store*

hina didn't get the message that he was glad that things weren't worse, and he didn't know she thought he abandoned him

most yonkoma have a joke about a miscommunication regarding where emphasis lies in explanations, every few pages or so

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148037
>yeah! you would be! what the hell, abandoning me like that!
isn't she claiming that gotou was the lost child rather than herself

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148053
that makes a little more sense, it doesn't flow as well into the next page though
might just be akuro still having a poor sense of flow between jokes on adjacent pages at this early point in their career

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147669
Still using Firefox 42.something.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145605
not too bad , good luck with your studies!
>きびしいだったから。->きびしかった
>「これをたべないよ！もっと太ってくないの」->「これをたべたらいけないよ！もっと太りたいの？」
>それできゅうりやトマトなどしか食べたが、みなは目の前に美味しい食べ物をたべたよ。T_T
->それできゅうりやトマトなどしか食べなかったが、みんなは目の前で美味しい食べ物をたべたよ。T_T
>半時間にストレチングをした。->30分、ストレッチをした。
>みんあまだたくさん食べたが、私はお茶しか飲んだ　T_T.　->みんなまたたくさん食べたが、私はお茶しか飲まなかった
>やせているになりたいだから、頑張ってだよね！！->やせていたいから、頑張らないといけないね/or頑張らないとね！！

[Anonymous No.]

Let's have one of these, I'd like to know what 2018 /djt/ thinks.
https://www.strawpoll.me/14752364

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys listen to music while using Anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148269
No matter how much you "read more," it's meaningless if you don't know how the grammar works, isn't it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148293
You can learn it without studying grammar, lots of Japanese kids do it. Osmosis and stuff. It's just a very inefficient method for an adult foreigner.

[Anonymous No.]

>〽
>yfw

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148307
That leaves Anki reps as most essential. Having base vocabulary is more important and comes before the other two. Imagine reading a text knowing only 1% of the words. It would be way too tedious and time consuming. Vocabulary building is what will give you access to proper grammar resources and reading material, and therefore is to be prioritized.

[Anonymous No.]

Do I have to use Anki? Its honestly really boring. I rather just read and use a dictionary when I hit a road block.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148323
You're going to hit a wall every sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148323
try it for at least a month before tossing it

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone read scanned novels on one of the newer models of the Kindle paperwhite?

I have a first Gen model with the lower resolution, but I'd like to upgrade if the newer models are high resolution enough to not get eye cancer. It's especially painful trying to read retarded chuuni reading furigana when the resolution is too low.

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone got experience with language partners?
I kinda just went and got one.
What do I even talk about?
Also she's a girl.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148307
unless he moves to japan it's not going to be enough to "osmose". unlike spanish or chinese, there are very little places in the West (or anywhere really) where you can be immersed in japanese day to day.

>>18148543
i have one too also girl. dont be creepy just talk about your day - use it as an opportunity to either learn new vocab from her or use what you just learned, making it stick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148560
>just talk about your day
>dont be creepy
for most people in the thread these two are mutually exclusive

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148293
In my opinion, all three are almost essential (though I'd replace "diligent grammar study" with "read a beginner grammar book once, use grammar reference materials while reading"), but reading is still the most important part.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147264
Sensible. Thanks very much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147189
>just werks

good luck getting VNs to work

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148606
Can you argue why you think reading comes before having a proper vocabulary base? Basically can you give arguments as a rebuttal to >>18148320
This goes for everyone who said read more rather than Anki reps in the survey.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148275
music is only good for studying when it's being used to drown out something else

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148645
You learn vocab as you look them up while reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148275
yeah but i dont think it really matters

once you start doing hundreds of words a day in anki it becomes a chore, and i feel music helps ease that

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148664
Yes but as >>18148320 said, when you only know 1% of the words in any given text, that method is way too inefficient to be maintained on a long period of time. So wouldn't you think that Anki reps would take precedent over reading? You're reversing the order in which you're supposed to do things.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148677
there is no "supposed to"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148677
Actually there is, it goes:
Learn words -> read with ease
You're arguing that it's:
Read with ease -> learn words
Which is absolutely retarded. And for know the only decent argument I've seen is for Anki reps being the most important, and even though 7 people said meme response ''read more'' was the most important, I've yet to see one convincing argument from them. Goes to show that the loud majority in this thread are absolute morons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148709
Meant for >>18148694
And I meant ''And for now'', not ''know''.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148716
I'm not arguing, that was my first response to you

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148726
If you give an opinion yet can't give an argument for it, it's pretty much a shit opinion mate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148733
you're idea that one way of learning is how people are "supposed to" learn is autism and harmful
there are wrong methods but there are no mandatory-like methods, only things that any not-wrong method must incorporate

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148752
your*
something installed an autocorrect add-on that I can't disable easily

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148645
can you define "proper vocabulary base"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148645
I didn't say that it comes first, I said it's the more important factor overall. But I did find in my own experience that learning words through Anki which I mined was significantly easier than learning words from vocabulary lists, and this seems to be a common experience.

As for "before having a proper vocabulary base", as has been said many times before, there is never a point at which you know enough vocabulary that starting to read is easy. I do think it's acceptable to mine 500-1k words before reading, while you're reading your grammar guide, but this doesn't change my opinion that reading is the more important part.

[Anonymous No.]

The most important part of learning Japanese is arguing about how to learn Japanese on anonymous imageboards.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147971
this, at least until february

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148773
in English

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148796
nobody who is not fluent should produce argumentative logic if they care about fluency

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148763
>there is never a point at which you know enough vocabulary that starting to read is easy.
hypothetically I would imagine someone with a 30k vocab is not going to struggle much

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148824
learning 30k vocab from garbage shared decks would take much longer, be less fun, isolate you from the language more, and give you less coverage in terms of known words on what you're reading than mining 5k words and learning another 10k from exposure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148752
I'm talking about knowing words in order to be able to read them. What I'm talking about isn't some fringe theory in the world of linguistics, it's pretty much necessary to function in a reading environment to at least know the basics.

>>18148762
Knowing enough words found in common texts so that the benefit of reading is worthwhile for the time put into this activity. Reading isn't useful if you don't know 99% of the words and have to look pretty much everything up. The cost/benefit of any activity when learning a language is important, and the best way to optimize the whole process is learning words quickly and efficiently through flash cards like Anki. Anyone who argues against this is probably a brainlet who's too stupid to even use the fucking program.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148824
30k vocab isn't going to help you when you have never been exposed to real grammar in the wild before. It's easier, but it's not easy, you are still going to have a lot of the initial reading struggle everyone has.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148763
That's stupid, knowing around 6000 words at least prevents people from looking up every word they encounter when reading basic mainstream stuff like news articles. It certainly does make it easier compared to knowing no vocab at all and brute forcing reading by looking up every single word.

Also, "comes first'' and ''more important'' are synonyms in this case, since the first step is the one on which all following steps depend on, and therefore is the most important. (the efficiency of understanding grammar points and the activity of reading depends mostly on having at least cursory knowledge of basic vocab)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148876
>It certainly does make it easier compared to knowing no vocab at all and brute forcing reading by looking up every single word.
Easier and easy are not synonyms.

>Also, "comes first'' and ''more important'' are synonyms in this case
Neither are these. It's more important to read than to learn hiragana, but you can't read without learning hiragana. If you're going to argue that hiragana is the most important part of learning Japanese because it comes first, I concede that there is no point in discussing this with you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148890
>Easier and easy are not synonyms.
You're the moron using absolutes like ''easy'' when speaking of languages, which is dumb because it's pretty much a spectrum without absolutes which really depends on the difficulty of the text you're reading.

>If you're going to argue that hiragana is the most important part of learning Japanese because it comes first
Your analogy sucks, hiragana aren't words, and don't have definitions attached to each one. The survey had ''Anki reps'' in the choices, which you can say is a ''learn words'' option. So yeah, learning words is more important than reading, because you need to know words to read, but don't have to read to know words.

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>>18148275
I don't because I end up recalling the music or getting distracted. It helps me focus more if it's just anki or maybe some white noise.

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>>18148903
>which really depends on the difficulty of the text you're reading.
Never intended to tell you that you should jump into kamige day one. Simply arguing that learning 6000 words wont make your first exposure to reading struggle-free.

>Your analogy sucks,
It's not an analogy, it's a counterexample to your absurd statement that "comes first" and "more important" are synonyms in ANY case, with one that happens to also be related to learning Japanese. Now you've decided that they're synonyms only when words are involved in the discussion? I don't understand why it's hard for you to comprehend that I think that reading is the bigger contribution to your progress overall in the long run, regardless of if it should be done before learning any vocabulary or not.

>The survey had ''Anki reps'' in the choices, which you can say is a ''learn words'' option. So yeah, learning words is more important than reading, because you need to know words to read, but don't have to read to know words.
Not that I'm recommending avoiding Anki, but Anki is far from the only way to learn words.

You're awfully hostile about this.

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>>18148903
>learning words is more important than reading,
is there a concrete course of action you would recommend for a learner based on this? or is your argument basically that oxygen is more important than food?

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>>18148938
his concrete course of action is to complete core6k or core10k before reading, which is probably what he's doing himself

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>>18148935
>Never intended to tell you that you should jump into kamige day one. Simply arguing that learning 6000 words wont make your first exposure to reading struggle-free.
Never said struggle-free, but it's certainly essential to know at least a certain amount of words to make reading worth it cost/benefit-wise.

>Now you've decided that they're synonyms only when words are involved in the discussion?
No, I've decided that they're synonyms in the context of language learning, since all subsequent things learned depend on the first things learn (if you're optimizing efficiency and doing thing in a proper, logical order like ''knowing words'' before ''reading words''). I can't believe this even has to be argued, but it's to be expected with this cult of ''read more'' with no nuance whatsoever.

>Not that I'm recommending avoiding Anki, but Anki is far from the only way to learn words.
I'm not saying that people should avoid reading either. But even though Anki isn't the only way to learn words, if efficiency and speed is a factor, it certainly is the most important in the survey choices because it saves that much time learning words as opposed to going in blind and looking up every single word constantly until you learn all of them.

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>>18148938
Yeah, the concrete way to learn words efficiently is through ''Anki reps'', which was the choice in the survey. Are you stupid or did you simply not read the reply chain?

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itt:autismos arguing about a literally pointless topic because you can't self-learn if any of the pieces is missing

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>>18148944
Not saying one should complete them, but maybe holding off until around 2k words would be more wise than not going in with any baggage at all, again if someone wants to optimize efficiency. During this 2k, quickly going though grammar guides like Tae Kim would be a better use of time as opposed to playing dictionary lookup with some simple NHK article.

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>>18148968
Actually, the language can and has been learned by many people without reading and without knowing the specific grammar points. However, the language has never been learned without knowing what words mean, which is what Anki does. It's pretty stupid to pick the first two when they're basically not as essential as what Anki does.

[Anonymous No.]

arguing about learning methods and orders is pretty pointless when it doesn't suit other people. not quitting should be your priority, not efficiency

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>>18148958
>since all subsequent things learned depend on the first things learn
Please explain how this argument doesn't apply to hiragana, in more clear terms than "lol they aren't words clearly that's different".

I agree with essentially everything else you've said, excepting for my original point that while Anki is still practically essential I think that reading is a far bigger factor in the long run. I think you're way too invested over what is a very minor distinction in this discussion overall (more important vs should be started first), but I'm still dumbfounded by your argument, and honestly curious.

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>>18148961
The strawpoll only asked "what is more important", not "how to learn words more efficiently", and that was the origin of the argument.

You're the one who can't read; never respond to me again.

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>>18148981
First of all, hiragana wasn't a survey choice, which is what we're talking about. Second, someone could learn the language only orally or even with only romaji. Knowing words is essential, hiragana isn't, it's as simple as that. Also, I agree that in the long run, reading is certainly the most beneficial thing, but it isn't the most essential/important thing in the survey choices, even though most people said ''read more''.

>>18148989
>The strawpoll only asked "what is more important", not "how to learn words more efficiently"
I know, but the grammar option doesn't cover ''knowing words'', and even though the read more option can help with that, it would take way too long to learn words through this method as opposed to Anki reps. Therefore, because Anki reps is the most efficient to learn words, and learning words is the most important part of learning a language, Anki reps is the most important thing in the survey options.

>You're the one who can't read; never respond to me again.
Need a safespace, snowflake?

[Anonymous No.]

You guys need to chill, it's just a poll.

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>>18149030
It just irritated me that most people replied ''read more'' in the poll, yet they can't even argue their answer enough to be convincing. People on DJT pride themselves on having proper methods set in stone, and can't be bothered arguing basic stuff related to learning Japanese since they think they're above that, but they can't even be convincing in substantiating they're meme ''read more'' replies.

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>>18149052
The "read more" replies are annoying, but you're really overreacting to the word "read" even appearing.

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>>18149052
is this what being triggered looks like

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>>18149065
Like I said, I agree that reading is the most beneficial long term activity you can do in order to learn the language, that and total immersion. I simply want all these ''read more'' assholes to put their money where their mouth is, and actually justify their adamant behavior towards reading, saying that it's more important and should be done before even knowing words.

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>>18149094
I don't think arguing over the meaning of the word "important" was the most effective way to do so. You seemed to be picking a fight with someone who doesn't even disagree with you, because you were so desperate to fight with someone.

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>>18149104
Beats the hell out of whatever the hell I was going to do this evening anyway.

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>>18149094
>saying that it's more important and should be done before even knowing words
I had no idea clicking on a button in a 4-word shitpoll carried so much nuance

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>>18149130
Welcome to reality, shitdick.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey, QST guy here who never visits the anime side of 4chan. I've seen this twice now, once on /a/ and once here.

What does DJT stand for? Google told me nothing, and neither did this faq.

Is it just a dudes name?

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>>18149074
It's what pure autism looks like. He's some Canadian who spends more time arguing about learning Japanese and DJT than actually learning. I bet he is fucking awful at Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18149203
Dedicated Judaism Thread

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>>18149203
>Is it just a dudes name?
Yeah, Donald J. Trump.
This general originated on /pol/ back when it was only a text board.

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>>18149207
>arguing about learning Japanese
Who would've though people would be arguing this on a language learning general. It really is baffling you stupid fucking Aussie.

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>>18149220
So how are those Japanese studies going for you? Got past N5 yet?

>Aussie
Couldn't be much further off

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>>18149065
Part of the problem is when people interpret "read more" as malicious hostility or cultish behavior instead of its original use (>>18147197) as a lazy (but valid) response to shitty 誰得 questions like "when would one use 淫靡 vs 姦淫" or "what are the nuances of ですの". In the best case, these receive answers that are correct but incomplete; in the worst case they get ones that are only -slightly- wrong (causing no one to point it out).

It's the truth that there are a mountain of questions that can be answered naturally by oneself after gaining more experience, and if you calm down and think about it, getting told to fuck off from a cesspit like this and go do so is not that bad of advice.

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>>18149248
Got N3 already, aiming for N1 in December. Also, these thread ARE here to discuss language learning, they aren't here to directly learn the language. I don't see what you think we're supposed to be discussing here.

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>>18149255
People come here to discuss any aspect of language learning. If that's not why you're here or wish to restrict what should be discussed, might I suggest finding a new general more specific to your tastes. There's something for everyone on this website, you'll find something.

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>>18149310
Well make sure you argue about language learning then instead of the definition of words in a poll or pointless things like what's more important out of three parts of a language when you need all three parts to actually make it work

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>>18149310
No one is stopping you from asking malformed questions about minutiae to an anonymous community and getting simplified answers with zero guarantee of veracity.

People are merely suggesting that there might be better uses of your time.

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>>18149297
>N3
why do people spend money on these silly pieces of paper

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>>18149347
The question was which aspect is most important, not which aspect is the only one you need. Which aspect is most important is what was being argued. Fuck off.

>>18149402
I appreciate people advising me how to spend my time, but I'm an adult and can make that decision myself.

>>18149442
Because contrary to what the gatekeepers here are pushing, some of us are learning for other real world reasons which have nothing to do with comic books and cartoons.

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>>18149442
No idea.

I've told people (including interviewers) I've passed N1 and I've never once been asked for proof.

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>>18149465
>some of us are learning for other real world reasons which have nothing to do with comic books and cartoons.
Not him and not intending to attack you, what is your reason? I'm always interested in hearing about careers if you don't mind.

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>>18149478
I'm already a government translator, looking to add another language to those I know and possibly work at my country's embassy in Japan.

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N3 doesn't help you very much in the "real world" though ya dingaling

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>>18149478
Usually translators and interpreters need certifications to work. And to work in Japan as a foreigner usually require fluency in Jap (unless you're exported labor)

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>>18149485
N3 was more of a checkpoint for myself rather than a worthwhile certificate for my CV. The real goal is and always has been N1.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I actually read as an illiterate learner?
Like I load up whatever I'm reading and start reading and almost instantly come to something I don't know (whatever if may be) and go to look it up in a dictionary or google translate. Then I read for another 0.2 seconds and find something else I don't know and do the same. It just hardly feels like reading at all and more like googling and looking up random shit.

Can anyone detail the process they used when the started or continue to read and don't already have an extensive enough knowledge to understand and read fluently?

I'm worried I'm doing it wrong or something because like I said I don't even feel like I'm reading when I read.

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>>18149496
If it's words that trip you, do more Anki before reading. If it's grammar, read up more on grammar points before reading the text. Otherwise, find easier stuff to read.

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>>18149496
list the last 5 words you looked up

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>>18149473
The fact that JLPT certs hold any influence over anything, regardless of whether you actually have them or not, is pretty bad in and of itself. Not only do they not indicate any actual ability to use the language in real world conditions but the criteria for passing is so low I have to wonder how there are people that still manage to fail them.

[Anonymous No.]

this is how it feels to interact with half of you

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>>18149523
luv u to bby

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>>18149496
Go through the pains and actually learn every unknown word (the definition of "word" here differs). If you will just jump to reading looking up every word you don't know it'll just result in taking a lot more time than if you would have added and reviewed it in anki.

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>>18149517
That's true for every uni degree these days anyway. The bar has been lowered for everyone, everywhere. I blame multiculturalism, which has to lower standards for people to succeed.

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>>18149517
It's more like a "if you can pass it you're not necessarily good, but if you fail it you're probably shit" kind of thing. A lot of recruiters use it as a filter, nothing more.

This is only my experience but if you don't have something on your resume you don't get called. But after that, it rarely gets mentioned again.

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I know it's dangerous to try to generate too much Japanese when you don't know about the pronunciation because you'll fuck up how you speak, but how about looking at material above your reading level to try and get used to the grammar? Is it a bad idea for similar reasons?

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To be honest though, if there was a JLPT N0 with keigo, more kanji and a speaking section I'd definitely take it for fun

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>>18149561
>I know early output is bad, but how about this type of input?
Grammar input of any level is fine, as long as your resource is trustworthy and not stuff like tweets.

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>>18149561
That doesn't sound harmful at all but I doubt you'd last.

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>>18149509
新学期
季節
始まる
真姫
暗い

>>18149533
>>18149506
The words are mostly my issue. I feel like I'm good enough in grammar that I can understand what a sentence is trying to say based on particles, but can't fill in the blanks because I don't know words. Based on the guide and threads I see, "start reading early" is a consensus, but am I just starting too early or something?
How many kanji/words is it recommended I have learned before I start reading?

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>>18149569
Well there are other tests which do cover that which aren't the JLPT tests.

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>>18149582
Can't recommend a specific amount of words since it depends on the level of text you're trying to read, but at least 2k would be recommended to not stumble on every word. Reading is tedious if you aren't far into Anki, which people here neglect to mention when they reply ''read more''.

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>>18149465
This thread is for comics and cartoons. Find a different thread, or website, and stop ruining this thread. Djt is not your generic language learning thread.

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>>18149582
>新学期
>季節
Fine.

>始まる
>暗い
lol

>真姫
????

From 始まる and 暗い it doesn't sound like you're doing Anki. You should give it a try.

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>>18149592
You're an idiot. There's other generals dedicated to manga, anime or VNs. You can fuck right off to those threads if you're not here do discuss any and all aspects of language learning, since this is the daily Japanese thread, not your daily cartoon waifu thread.

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It's been decades, is the consensus on Boku still the same if youre a non-effeminate non-young-boy ?
For context, a few years back there was this anon who kept dismissing the usage of Boku, no matter what the situation

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>>18149582
I had started playing(reading) JRPGs which I think were very easy when my mark was around 3500-4000 words in my deck and it was very painful. I got to a level I could call "reading" after the third title or something. Studying this way >>18149533

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>>18149619
It's the equivalent of outing yourself as a soyboy in the West.

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>>18149619
俺様 is the only acceptable way for a man to refer to himself.

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>>18149619
the reason you sound like a gay faggot isn't because of "boku"

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>>18149591
>reading is tedious if you aren't far into Anki, which people here neglect to mention when they reply "read more".
Thanks senpai, I guess I am just getting ahead of myself then. Only been learning 2k for a little over a week so far

>>18149603
Well I started Anki on the 2k around christmas so I'm still new at it. Since then I have only learned maybe 120-150, and none of the above words that I listed had I ever seen before in Anki yet.
On the same text I found those 5 words, I was also able to read
今日 and 新しい
And admittedly the two you lol'd at do seem like they would be easy to learn and recognize, but I don't control the card order.

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>>18149561
I think that the argument against production is less about pronunciation and more about grammar. Pronunciation is easier to fix.

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>>18149627
Use てめぇ as second person singular for everyone else to maximize the effect.

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>>18149638
>And admittedly the two you lol'd at do seem like they would be easy to learn and recognize, but I don't control the card order.
You should see them soon, they're fairly early in the deck if I remember correctly.

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>>18149609
None of those other generals read them in Japanese

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>>18149619
自分 in formal circumstances, 俺 in intimate ones. 私 sounds too diffident and feminine for me, 僕 is somehow childish, I wouldn't personally use it but neither I have prejudice against somehow who actually does. I like 我 and I think it's a shame that this pronoun became practically non-existent outside of the books.

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どう見ても
Is も here, quoting DOJG, "a particle which implies that something else is also (not) the case"?

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>>18149642
and きゃつめ！ for third

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>>18149655
No, it's question word (どう) + も

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>>18149654
Are you a native?

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>>18149652
It would be easier to force that on them than to force comic books in general here. Good luck.

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>>18145572
what exactly is a "drama queen"?

can someone quote one from this thread or a past one as an example

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>>18149671
Like this guy >>18149664

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>>18149671
Just read the post above you and follow the reply chain.

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>>18149664
There's no need to force it here since it's the default here already. You are the one trying to force it out

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>>18149671
This guy >>18149207
He tries to stir up drama, tries to start up cliques like a teenage girl, with ingroup people vs outgroup people. To top it off he makes up slander to consolidate these cliques as soon as someone disagrees with him. He's the type of poster ruining this general, yet he'll never give up and has been doing this since we were on /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

sorry, didn't mean to stir up more shit

I think I get it, thanks

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>>18149688
It isn't, and most people yesterday agreed that it isn't what this thread is for. You're not the leader of this thread, we follow consensus, and consensus says you're wrong.

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>>18149697
Consensus on an anonymous imageboard.

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>>18149697
Except the consensus is that anime/manga/vn discussions are fine. Now stop posting and go somewhere else

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>>18149704
People vote anonymously during elections yet there's still consensus dickwad.

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>>18149709
It's fine, but not the main object of this general. One look at the OP and the guide in OP makes that pretty clear.

[Anonymous No.]

Are you gonna watch any raw anime this season, DJT?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this normal difficulty? I understand short sentences, but the last panel completely destroyed me

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>>18149720
yeah

[Anonymous No.]

>starting anki core 2k/6k vocab deck
>do many daily as per usual
>go to custom study
>tick box marked "increase today's review card limit"
>increase limit by 500 cards
>sit down for like 8 hours and do nothing but learn and review them
>take a nice break and come back for another 8 hour session of study and review
>become the master of these 500 words and then go from there
Is there credence to this or would it be a fucking terrible idea I'd instantly regret?

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>>18149756
Seems about average, yeah.

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>>18149761
Excuse me, but who the HECK are you quoting?

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>>18149761
Wow good idea you will surely be fluent in no time
I personally do my new words in groups of 2000

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>>18149756
Extremely easy, all the words are frequent.

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>>18149756
some helps
早く書けよ「～」ってな
＝「～」、と早く書けよ
かっぱらって＝ぬすんで、うばって
景気づけ(here)≒drinking bout
死んだ奴（＝人）が書いたのを～
->死んだ奴が「私が…盗みました」と書いた文書を、
皆幸せーーーだろ？
-> 皆が幸せ（になれるorになる）だろう？

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>>18149720
I'm going to watch Violet Evergarden, but only after the BDs are released. I'd like to find scans for the novels but there don't seem to be any uploaded.

[Anonymous No.]

Doing the anki deck and the audio is fucking with me
>長い
>あげる
the way they say these is both weird after the "a" to "g" sound. Its like they say it with an "ng" transition like "nangai" and "angeru". Is this actually the way these are said or is it just some weird speaking habit/style the people doing the audio have?

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>>18149865
Why wait for BDs?

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>>18149885
Autism mostly, but I don't like watching things while they're airing so I may as well watch the best version.

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>>18149877
It's all the same sound, but pronounced less or more clearly

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>>18149896
Ah, I understand completely. I used to be that way, and this is actually the first anime season where I'm gonna watch along. I think it's nice because it'll guarantee that I get a minimum amount of listening in every week.

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>>18149877
It's called weakening. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_phonology#Weakening
I recall reading somewhere (probably a previous thread) that this is or used to be typical of upper class Tokyo districts. Anyway, don't worry too much about it.

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>>18149904
>>18149907
I'm mostly worried because (for listening at least) it would be hard for someone like me to distinguish if there was a ん or not.
あげる vs あんげる

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

おしょうがつはどこですごしましたか

[Anonymous No.]

>耳を押さえといてください
>押さえと

I don't get why と is being used here, shouldn't it be 押さえていてください ?

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>>18149938
おさえておく

ふさいでおくことだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18149938
ておく -> とく

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>>18149953
>>18149946
thanks.

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>>18149924
I've never seen anyone have trouble with that except other posters who were going through Core2k at the time. You'll get a feel for it sooner or later.

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>>18149973
okay thanks senpai, I'll stick with it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145679
Move the contents of Card X onto Card Y, then delete Card X.

[Anonymous No.]

おふろー

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148053
Yes.

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>>18148635
I'm using a WM for VNs, I gave up on Wine a long time ago
Also I'm not as ganoo/loonix illiterate as my post might have made me out to be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148275
only instrumental or non-english-vocal stuff at a very low volume, and not with headphones. mostly because i study when i wake up at like 4am and it's dead quiet

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147189
You can't get Anki to use your GTK theme because Anki doesn't use GTK.

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Uniform_look_for_Qt_and_GTK_applications


This sort of tedious faffing around is why I stopped using Arch. I stick to justwerksTM distros now where all this crap is taken care of for me during the installation and the only effort involved on my part is clicking next a few times and waiting 10 minutes.

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>>18150276
I mean I was pretty sure it used gtk because there's a whole section on the website on how to get your *gtk* theme working, the one linked in my post.
>tedious faffing around
I mean it's not really tedious, I'm just pretty dumb for not having realized that sooner. Funnily enough, by far the most tedious things I've had to do (I use gentoo so I had to do everything "from scratch so to speak) were related to DE utilities such as setting up polkit or customizing ibus to my needs.

[Anonymous No.]

Hmm.. im a beginner. About 5 months in. Can read easier manga/vn pretty well, but it is still kinda slow. Did n5 in december which felt a bit too easy.
Problem: I just found out that in my university (study physiotherapy) we have a chance to do an exchange 6 months in japan.. it would be in 1 year... but you need to have b1 level japan level to go. Do you guys think it is realistic to advance enough in a year?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18150304
>Can understand the main points of clear standard input on familiar matters regularly encountered in work, school, leisure, etc.
>Can deal with most situations likely to arise while travelling in an area where the language is spoken.
>Can produce simple connected text on topics that are familiar or of personal interest.
>Can describe experiences and events, dreams, hopes and ambitions and briefly give reasons and explanations for opinions and plans.
Probably manageable in one year. By the way B1 is the equivalent of N3

[Anonymous No.]

>>18150304
Of course it's possible but I would rather study what I need for a university.

[Anonymous No.]

What are some good LNs/manga to read on Kindle? I tried some torrents but most of them are PDFs of pictures/scans so the letters are rendered small, and impossible to zoom in and read properly.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18150393
AB has a bunch of raw EPUB LNs (150~200), but I have no idea where to find more

[Anonymous No.]

>>18150393
DJT library is the only place I know of to get azw3 books in Japanese. Or you could just buy them.

[Anonymous No.]

I just picked up KKLC, what the fuck is this garbage mnemonic for 以? Also none of the vocab has anything to do with the meanings. Am I losing my time?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18150797
that's pretty much the worst mnemonic in the entire book, just memorize the word 以上

good luck

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>>18150811
Guess I'll do that, because the rest doesn't make any sense to me. Not that I have anything against memorizing kanji with vocab, but still it kind of defeats the point of the book. I'll take your word for it being one of the worst mnemonics in the book because the previous frames weren't half as bad.
Guess it's hard to derive actual meaning from some characters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145572
fixed your noise suppression for you

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>>18150831
All those mnemonic books help you a lot with learning stuff that doesn't actually help you learn the language. You should just drop it and learn Japanese.

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>>18150897
I feel sometimes knowing a character's meaning can help tremendously to remember some words

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>>18150919
yes thats how words work, dont listen to these retards. any method is fine if youre reading alongside it, just isolated stuff is inefficient even if it works in the long term

[Anonymous No.]

>いつも勉強してどうするんだよ。
>して
the fuck is this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18150945
te form suru that's attached to a suru-noun

read tae kim

[Anonymous No.]

>>18150948
he hasn't talked about suru-nouns so far

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>>18150953
>>18150948
OK, I guess he talked about it in Sequence of actions with -te

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>>18150944
I'm mostly doing vocab and grammar right now, I just plan on reading KKLC on the side when I'm done with vocab for the day and overdose on grammar

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>>18150973
thats fine if you arent doing sole isolated studies and wasting months just reading mnemonics and whatnot with kanji. reading asap is really the best method even if many of its adherents are douchebags here. its nice to have a good buffer of preparation to make it less painful, but too much "prep" is just that; too much. light grammar learning exposure and minimal vocab just to make you not have to search every single word all day is enough of prep, everything else is auxillary

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guys, because I got confused

am I supposed to read Tae Kim's basic guide or the comprehensive one?

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>>18150919
Are you implying you won't get that from just learning words? You'll end up with a meaning that's actually accurate instead of an inaccurate, but easy to make a mnemonic out of meaning.

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>>18151022
there is no "basic" or "comprehensive"

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>>18151047
I mean this

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>>18151056
you might want to double check your edits to that image

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>>18151059
you what
I know it's called "Complete" but it's actually the shorter one
just click it

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>>18151062
it might seem shorter but it's actually longer

it's also bad

read the guide in the OP

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>>18151065
how is it longer if the other one has everything complete has + more details + exercises?

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>>18151070

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>The Complete Guide to Japanese
If you’re new to learning Japanese, I recommend you start with the Complete Guide to Japanese. This guide avoids long and complicated explanations and teaches you essential grammar and vocabulary through examples, interesting dialogues, and suggestions for practical applications. Though it’s still a work in progress, the first five chapters are essentially done. Feel free to give me a shout if you get near the end and find that it’s still not finished.

>Guide to Japanese Grammar
If you are taking Japanese classes and you want to get a better understanding of how things work, the Guide to Japanese Grammar is designed to supplement your studies and give you a solid understanding of the grammatical structure of Japanese. It thoroughly explains Japanese grammar by starting with the most fundamental ideas and building upon it layer by layer. It is much easier to understand than a traditional Japanese class which will likely skip straight to the polite forms without explaining where they come from.

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>>18151088
fair enough, now open topic for adjectives for both of them and see how much longer the non-complete version's is

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>>18151093
he might say this but he's wrong

the complete guide is incomplete and doesn't teach you everything it needs to

do not treat the grammar guide like a supplement to textbooks. it is a textbook replacement.

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>>18151098
any shortness in the complete guide is caused by it being extremely incomplete, not by it being more "basic"

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>>18151106
>>18151110
OK, you've convinced me
one additional question: should I complete the exercises in the grammar guide, what's the consesus on them - are they helpful of waste of time?

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>>18151115
you can do them if you want, he stops having exercises after the earliest lessons

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>>18151025
If you know 生 as "life" and 人 as "human" 人生 is considerably easier to learn.

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>>18151119
You can't not know those facts by the time it comes to learn 人生.

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>>18151119
You're moving the starting points though. Is someone who did RTK or something like that going to have an advantage over someone who did nothing? Yes. But the argument should be someone who did RTK vs. someone who was learning vocabulary for an equivalent amount of time.

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うまれかわってもまたみつけてくれますか

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>>18151121
I'll give you 人 but I have no idea how you'd learn 生 if not for meaning study. Also this was an awful example seeing how both characters are radicals.

>>18151159
Yeah doing isolated kanji study is dumb, but this doesn't mean that learning meaning along vocab can help

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At what point should I be learning Kanji? During or after I learn the Kana? And I mean really learn the Kana to second nature.

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>>18151253
after

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>>18151201
>I have no idea how you'd learn 生 if not for meaning study
What about literally any one of the several extremely common Japanese verb written with it? You can't possibly have a reason to learn 人生 before 生きる and 生まれる.

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>>18151201

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>>18151289
Not him but 人生 is more common of a word than 生きる and 生まれる.

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>>18151253
あのんはむずかしいことをいう

かんじは意味と組み合わせを

あわせてくれているのがおおくて

よみやすいようにつかうことになっているよ

>>18151289
うまれかわりのひとなのかもしれない

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>>18151121
It's usually enough to learn a few words with a new kanji to understand what it means at least in one meaning. Of course you won't grasp differences among usage of kanji's readings and all the meanings it has in words, but neither any book\guide to kanji teaches you this.

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>>18151201
>Also this was an awful example seeing how both characters are radicals.
Why exactly? If you learn through vocabulary radicals are pretty irrelevant. You learn recognition only which is way faster. Unlike a language like English, you also only need recognition to type in Japanese as you don't type the strokes, so learning production is a pretty huge waste of time for Japanese. There's a reason most Japanese can't write more than 1k-2k characters, imagine how bad people's spelling in English would be if you only had to spell on paper, and not while typing. Point is lack of production doesn't effect reading, speaking, listening or typing in Japanese, only pen and paper writing.

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>>18151348
False. They are both individually more common than 人生.

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>read yotsubato they said
>it's easy for beginners they said
How the fuck am I supposed to make out this dialect speech as yotsuba's house, or whatever it really means?

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>>18151348
http://wiki.wareya.moe/Frequency%20lists

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>>18151377
509.1523910543 和 動詞 一般 * 上一段-カ行 生きる イキル 生きる イキル イキル 2 7146 イキる イキル イキル 2 459
217.9651493613 和 動詞 一般 * 下一段-ラ行 生まれる ウマレル 生まれる ウマレル ウマレル 0 3164
135.8309004108 漢 名詞 普通名詞 一般 * 人生 ジンセイ 人生 ジンセイ ジンセー 1 2021

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>>18151371
んち is a common contraction of の家《のうち》 that you will encounter in any media where characters speak naturally.

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>>18151371
Man that was hard!

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>>18151371
the lack of kanji being introduced until after we've heard it messes with me a little bit but not a big deal

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>>18151371
The same way you just did.
よつばんち = よつばのうち = よつばの家

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>>18151377
You are aware that this is a pretty biased list though right? It's based on visual novels only. 先生 and 生徒 are the most common, but that's only because of the setting of visual novels.

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>>18151390
I did out of pure context, or rather, what was on the next page.
>>18151387
By beginner friendly, I mostly understood not having to stop every few pages to look things up. But I do appreciate learning new things.

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>>18151392
It may be biased in terms of setting but there's no reason at all for 人生 to be significantly less common in visual novels than in other media. Even if it were, it would not be THREE TIMES less common than it actually is. In fact, every school life visual novel I've read makes a habit of talking about how glorious the protagonist's 人生 or 学校生活 is.

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>>18151396
>I did out of pure context, or rather, what was on the next page.
Yes. Good job.

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>fucking with hours or reset in anki mid study
>resets it
>ok, surely it wont do it again now that the past day is set
>proceeds to top off again the cards I was doing

ALRIGHT LETS FUCKING DO THIS CUNT

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>>18151401
i'd go as far as saying that visual novels are *less* biased than other forms of media as far as vocabulary usage is concerned

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>>18151392
Okay, then trust A Frequency Dictionary of Japanese instead:

296 生きる ikiru v. live 九十歳まで生きる人は多くない。 There are not many people who live up to ninety years old. 253 0.91 483 291 いきる
364 生まれる umareru v. be born 昨日、赤ちゃんが生まれた。 The baby was born yesterday. 196 0.95 382 350 うまれる
405 人生 jinsei n. life 私は彼女に幸せな人生を送ってほしい。 I want her to have a happy life. 175 0.84 322 413 じんせい

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>>18150831
I'm 1000 through and I'd guess 1-2% of the mnemonics are nonexistent or shit awful, which is much better than it could be. Quite a few others aren't really good but they aren't awful.

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いのちをはこぶとかいて

運命

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>>18151426
運命なんていらへん！某だけの命なんじゃ！

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>>18151396
What are you expecting material at your level to be? One or two new constructs in a volume? Doesn't sound like you'd be learning very much.

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Are there any 四字熟語 that originate from Western languages other than 一石二鳥?

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>>18151432
このよをふたりじめしよう

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がんばれおにいちゃん

がんばれ

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おなかすいた

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>>18151609
なんだそれきめー

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>>18149635
>>18149624
I'm sorry for being a low-test, water-bottle drinking American

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>>18151623
How would you translate this line? I understand it but trying to figure out how to compare it to an english phrase makes me fumble

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>>18151667
"the pleasure of being cummed inside"

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>>18151667
eww wtf is that

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On the topic of recalling kanji, learning new words, mnemonics, etc... One thing that has helped me recently when I am struggling with a particular word is to learn at least one other word that contains that kanji. For example, this past week I've been constantly failing 混沌。Then I had a new word added to my deck -- 混じる。混沌 means chaos/disorder, and 混じる means to be mixed. I believe one of the most important parts of language learning is to form as many connections to help knowledge stick, from visual to audio to associated memories (hearing a word in a particular anime from a particular character), and so I'm going to try to increase the number of connections for words I'm struggling with in the future. And I think learning several words in the time it would take to master a mnemonic is more useful than knowing the mnemonic and still having to learn more words. Although there is a place for KKLC and I think the amount of it I did was a worthwhile investment.

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>>18151667
Dat shit icky I ain't touching it with my dicky

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>>18151692
I forgot to add that these are from my mining deck, and now it feels like both of those words are firmly cemented in my memory, and I don't think I'll have any trouble with them in the future.


>>18151697
Are you by chance a translator for [Commie] subs?

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>>18151692
Both kanji of 混沌 are extremely easy since they have phonetics 鯤, 昆, etc and 屯, 頓, 魨, even 噸. Also you should know perfectly well already what 混 means if you learn words like 混沌

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Any app I can use on android to detect specific kanji appearing on screen?
Theres some mobages I want to play and It would really help when reading story bits and such to be able to look up instantly the kanji I dont know instead of having to look it up from the particles
Thanks

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What are the best resources for listening?
There are a bunch in the guide and I don't know which one to pick

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>>18151827
Real people

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>>18151692
I'm still in the newshitter portion of my kanji studies, but this been a big help for me too. Once I can look at a word and know that "its definitely one of these 3-4" it becomes so much easier to recall the right one correctly. A lot of times when a one-off kanji word shows up I'm torn between thinking its a brand new one I haven't learned, or an old one I just can't recall

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>>18151827
anime

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>>18151827
bangumi/broadcast television. some anons here have a list of a bunch of IP streams that would be great to have on 24/7

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I wish I could read rail-soft novels outside of 信天翁航海録, 紅殻町博物誌 and 花散峪山人考 are absurdly hard. Are there anons here who are capable of putting it?

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>>18151772
My point was I was having trouble learning 混沌, so when I added another word with that kanji, it helped the first one stick better.

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What is the first kana here? the next two look like こる but I can't figure out that first one. I was thinking it's ゆ, but that loop is throwing me off

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>>18152093
ねてる

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>>18152102
Thank you, that seems very obvious now in retrospect. I'm a dummy. I fucked up the 2nd one too. I was considering ね but I had never seen the left side of it drawn like that.

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>>18152121
its not really a left "side", it's supposed to be one stroke down through that line and beyond even though its a pain in the ass to train muscles to write that to look nice at fast speed, which causes the line to just go through the entire characters center like that

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>>18152132
I see exactly what you mean after looking at how it's handwritten. It's weird how computer characters are displayed differently then how they're written in both japanese and english. I'm guessing most writing systems do this.

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>start learning kanji and words with core 2k deck
>get about 3 or 4 days in
>this isn't so bad some of these are easy
>get about 7-10 days in
>this is absolute bullshit I'm not learning anything and just getting mad because I suck fuck kanji
>stick with it anyways and get 20 days in now
>somehow get into a rhythm where I'm not only learning the new kanji, but managing to recall them and the old ones pretty consistently
I don't really understand why it magically started to click when the workload and new material kept piling in but I must say it feels pretty good senpai

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虚をつかれる

How do I read this? きょ?

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>>18152441
yes

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Has anyone else started off really slowly but started putting more and more effort into their studies at they got further in? When I started off I learned how to read+write a single row of Kana a day.

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>>18152159
I really hate some fonts, they butcher multiple radicals, refer to 直 for example.

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>>18152471
Are you talking about Chinese fonts or something I don't know?

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>>18152471
that particular kanji losing the side line is a result of a chinese font, not an accident

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>>18152471
works for me

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>>18147887
Glad that she was lost inside a small store as opposed to somewhere where it would have been harder to find her

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The kindle app is pretty comfy to read on. You can even download a j-j dictionary for free and highlight words akin to Rikai.
You just can't mine words using it though.

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>>18152609
MInd sharing what you've been reading? I've been looking everywhere for Kindle-formatted books outside the DJT guide and it's tough so far

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>>18152646
I've just been using AZW3 files from the DJT library.

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Is this correct enough to put on the front of a binder with the Yotsuba reading guide in it? It's a belated Christmas present.

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>>18152660
yeah

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>>18152660
＞がんばるぞ
＞not がんばるぞい
You had one job anon, one job!

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>Q: What about Duolingo?
>A: It's bad. Nobody knows how it managed to be this bad. But it's just bad. Really.
Anyone arsed enough to tell me why and how bad it is?

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>>18152747
It really is just bad. It fucks up in innumerable ways. Examples include:
- showing the wrong readings for words in general
- showing one reading in text and having a different reading in the audio
- literally non-existent explanations

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>>18148783
Why until February?

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>>18152693
What is this meme again?

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Should I friend Namasensei on Facebook?

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>>18152931
>facebook
sure man go nuts

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私はニューヨークに住んでいます。 ここはとても寒い！

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>>18152949
知るか

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>>18152931
Can you stop shilling this piece of shit?

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hey lads my old laptop was kill so I'm collecting all my old favorite resources on my new one. having trouble finding the page that's essentially HJGP but set up so you can search for key phrases in japanese. I'd be very appreciative if anyone could throw me a link to it.

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>>18152962
https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

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>>18152962
this? https://core6000.neocities.org/hjgp/

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>>18152968
>>18152969

that's the one. thanks a bunch.

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>>18152971
there is also this
https://core6000.neocities.org/dojg/

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Do you "write" kanji or "draw" kanji?

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>>18152973

ahh didn't know about that one. thanks a bunch.

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>>18152976
HURR DO U "DRAW LETTTERS" OR DO U "WRITE" LETTERS???

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>>18152976
for information = writing
for 書道(with 波磔) = drawing
in my view

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>>18152982
are you okay?

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>>18153025
not him
it's just a stupid question really

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>>18152976
you type them

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>>18152393
now be disappointed that, when reading and otherwise in practice, you don't recognize half the kanji youve learned in anki

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YOU NEED TO LEARN HANDWRITING TO MAKE A RABU RETTAA TO SENPAI

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>>18153052
Do you guys generally not learn how to write? Not even the kana?

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>>18152982
I fucking chuckled. But I think he also means the possibility of "drawing letters on a tablet" and "writing letters on a keyboard" or something...

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>>18153052
That's some fucking kawaii handwriting.

>>18153081
No, not even the kana for me. It's all memorized by methods that are not writing training.

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>>18153081
Are you kidding? You could not write absolutely anything in japanese your whole life and still be able to write in kana.

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>>18153091
From your head dummy, not drawing what you see on a kana chart.

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>>18153097
normal people can visualize the kana in their head one at a time and just write them from top left to bottom right with 85%+ stroke order accuracy and 100% shape accuracy

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>>18153097
My point still stands, dummy. If you can't write in kana after 1 year of study you're mentally disabled.

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when you study core 2k, do you mark new words as good or again when reviewing? I mark again because I don't know the meaning but just want to make sure what I'm doing is right.

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>>18153108
Good because again doesn't do anything but force anki to waste another 5 seconds showing you the card again in less than a minute.

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>>18153107
>>18153103
Tell that to this guy.
>>18153090

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>>18153113
He's either mentally disabled or hasn't been studying japanese for more than 1 year.

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>>18153113
They're unnecessarily underestimating theirself.

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>>18153108
good if I get the reading correct but don't know the meaning, again if I get both wrong

>>18153111
change your intervals

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>>18153122
Anki will *always* show cards you press "again" for as soon as possible. Either when its interval is ready or if no reps are scheduled for at or before the current time when answering the previous card.

[Anonymous No.]

Anki technical question - is there any way to review through all the cards you've already studied in a random order? I've been using the "review ahead" custom study but it decreases the number of review cards for the following day. I just want to kill some time reviewing when I finish my reps and still want to do a few more.

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>>18153143
You can't.

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>>18153150
Is that true? That's like a basic flashcard function. I don't know why there's not some work around for this.

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>>18153163
You either use the "review forgotten/failed cards" feature or you deal with the fact that viewing them today will prevent them from being reviewed in the near future.

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>>18153132
no it doesn't

I changed mine to 30 mins and it doesn't show up before then

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>>18153199
Congrats on having a broken copy of Anki I guess.

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>>18152949
凍らないでね

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Huh? What?

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>>18153201
If I explicitly specify 30 minutes, why the fuck would it do otherwise?

Do you even know what setting I'm talking about?

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>>18153206
I do.

Anki reviews ahead. That's what the "review ahead" limit is for. The review ahead logic works differently on cards in the relearning queue.

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Please /djt/, help me. I've hit a point where I don't know what to do anymore. I've read Kae Tim, read a bit of Genki to grasp some basic vocabulary, but I still can read absolutely nothing. I have tired to do the Core2K anki but I can't remember anything ffrom it. Am I not studying hard enough? Maybe grammar is not my hugest problem, I guess it's vocabulary and verbs. Please give me your sacred help.

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>>18153217
If you can't remember words do Kanji study on the side.

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>>18153217
It takes time, not effort. Especially when you're starting out.

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>>18153217
>Kae Tim
there's your problem

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>>18153217
>Maybe grammar is not my hugest problem, I guess it's vocabulary and verbs
Yeah duh man. Study more. There aren't any shortcuts around learning vocab.

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>>18153217
continue core for at least 2 weeks and if you still cant remember anything then you should just give up because youre too stupid

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>>18152862
Probably because of New Year's Resolution friends.

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>>18153120
I can immediately recognize it, however writing it is impossible. I'm all recognition training when it comes to kanji
The accumulation of experiences gives me an almost extra dimension of perception. Who cares about writing, just consume consume and consume.

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>>18153262
>The accumulation of experiences gives me an almost extra dimension of perception.
gonna use this the next time someone tells me I can't spell

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>>18153262
Also, to clarify. I meant writing by Hand, not typing.
Typing is Possible.

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>>18153262
they're talking about writing kana anon
surely you can envision the kana and replicate them one at a time

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>>18153272
Haha no. Reproduction of things are not what I'm good at. Not even the simplest of kana.

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>>18153217
If you're struggling with kanji do a little individual kanji study (kklc) on the side until you *understand* them (i.e. can remember their shapes)
If you're struggling with readings or vocab well I'm not sure, find a better way to memorize things I guess?

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>>18153279

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>>18153279
You seriously can't think of の and write it down without looking at it? Jesus.

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>>18153272
Haha no. Reproduction of things are not what I'm good at. Not even the simplest of kana. If you're talking about a general visualization of the kana, perhaps it's within the realms of my ability
It's been about three years now, on and off learning

[Anonymous No.]

今日の言葉：爆弾低気圧

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>>18153288
Gee thanks.
-

It feels like an involuntary movement, like a muscle twitch response. Am I alone in this? Who else feels this way about Kanji recognition?

>>18153290
Amended post >>18153293
Yeah I can do の easily, but the direction might not be correct if I do it blind (the starting position of the stroke)

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I honestly doubt most people here can write Kana from their heads if they have never practiced it whatsoever.

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>>18153272
Not him but have never written before. I could probably write 50-70% but wouldn't be able to write things like な and を. Can't write kanji either other than shit like 目.

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>>18153311
If you already "know" the kana you should learn how to write them so you can at least take notes in Japanese. I can't imagine getting to the later stages of Japanese learning and not being able to jot down a pronunciation.

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>>18153309
>but the direction might not be correct if I do it blind (the starting position of the stroke)
Are you mentally deficient?

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>>18153332
I can write Kana just fine the same way I write Kanji without problems. But I have Anki decks for both Kanji writing and Kana writing. Though I only get a card every few weeks in the Kana writing one.
I agree with you, but I don't think people here that never practiced writing Kana can do it.

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>>18153332
Nothing wrong with writing it in romaji if that's all you're doing. And taking notes physically is rare for a lot of people.

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>>18153311
I'd imagine that most people would have practiced writing in order to memorise the kana in the first place. Mnemonics and other beginner learning methods should also enable one to reproduce kana.

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>>18153357
Likely for most people, but I think common DJT practice is just drilling the Kana with the thing in the guide which would only be recognition practice.

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>>18153357
Are people seriously, actually, genuinely using mnemonics to remember kana?

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>>18153347
I never pay attention to those things. All I need to know is the general shape, and the context the kanji is being used in
I'm just specialized in a different field. But I'm sure it works out as long as you put in practice somewhere
If you're talking about brain damage, I have no issues recalling short and long term memory

>>18153332
Just do it in romaji, taking notes on paper? We live in the digital age

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>>18153347
Would it not be mental handicaps at this point, but rather your learning style? The way your personality approaches the problems

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>>18153369
>Just do it in romaji

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>>18153410
I have a collection of doujinshi stored in my hard drive, converting their titles into romaji makes searching my database MUCH easier
Even some of the japs I've talked to agree on this point

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>>18153410
Why would you even be taking notes let alone in Japanese in the first place

[Anonymous No.]

I learnt kana like 5 years ago and even now I could probably only write 80% of them, if even that. It's something you have to practice to get right and I imagine I could just practice for a day or two and be able to write them from then on

I'll learn them when I'm actually going to need to write something by hand

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153484
if you can't recall and reproduce them you haven't actually learnt them

[Anonymous No.]

What are your anki steps? I've been tweaking mine recently and settled for 5 15 20

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153494
Apparently I can read fine without knowing kana then

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153217
>I have tired to do the Core2K anki but I can't remember anything ffrom it

You do know how anki works, right? It's not for storming through, it's for repeated use until you remember it.

[Anonymous No.]

How come sometimes Anki will show like 31 green cards left to go through but then all of a sudden that number turns to 0 after answering a card?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153614
Are you doing your reps near midnight?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153619
no, never, only around this time. 7pm

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153496
1 1 10 20
For lapses steps I left the default
My starting ease is at 175%

[Anonymous No.]

I learned kana by writing them a bunch of times (not necessarily 50) in my fucking notebook and then reviewing them on realkana, and I can still write them all from memory. I can't say I ever do, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153628
what do these mean

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153640
The guide in OP and the guide on the Anki website explain these, but here you go:
>Starting ease controls the easiness that cards start out with. It is set when a card graduates from learning for the first time. It defaults to 250%, meaning that once you’ve finished learning a card, answering "Good" on subsequent reviews will increase the delay by approximately 2.5x (eg if the last delay was 10 days, the next delay would be 25 days). Based upon how you rate the card in subsequent reviews, the easiness may increase or decrease from what it starts out as.
>By default, Anki will use the steps of a card’s home deck. If a new card would normally be reviewed twice when being learnt, the same thing will happen when you study it in a filtered deck.
Cards return to their home deck when (re)learning is complete. Thus if you have 3 learning steps, a new card will return to its home deck upon three presses of "Good" or a single press of "Easy".
The custom steps option allows you to override the home deck’s steps and provide your own steps instead. The provided steps apply to both cards being learnt, lapsed reviews, and reviews ahead of time.
>If you have multiple steps, Anki will only consider the first answer when deciding the next delay, and like relearning in normal decks, "Good" and "Easy" differ only in the step change and not the resulting delay.

[Anonymous No.]

Anki Wizards, I need help.

I have my new cards on this deck set to 27. Yesterday it said I had 82 unseen cards, today, after going through my reps, I have 70 unseen cards. how the FUCK could that happen?

[Anonymous No.]

It's tough to do this when you have lots of tabs open and will keep updating threads of shitposting telling yourself just a few more minutes before studying.

[Anonymous No.]

i procrastinated my reps to 8 hours long today but i finished!

[Anonymous No.]

Raw manga apps for Android？

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>>18153873
If you mean stuff like MangaRock, I don't think there's one. Your best bet is to just download raws.
If you mean apps to read raws, I use Perfect Viewer and would recommend it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153873
I use tachiyomi because despite it being convoluted to set up reading predownloaded raw manga on it it runs much faster than any other well-known viewer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153873
I use OCR Manga Reader and just download raws onto my phone. Honestly though you could get by with just the standard photo viewer.

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>>18153984
>Honestly though you could get by with just the standard photo viewer
have fun swiping the wrong direction to go to the next page

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153995
I'm not mentally impaired.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154000
no anon, you will literally be swiping the wrong direction

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154009
Does it really matter though? If you can read the manga you can read the manga.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154026
it matters. literally unreadable

[Anonymous No.]

whats the difference between じょうず and うまく with the same kanji 上手?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154027
Might just be you. I swipe right and I'm on the next page. Complete abomination, really. I just tried it with the default photo viewer and it was the same way. The only annoying part was that the first page was all the way at the bottom of the album.

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>>18154027
You could just reverse the ordering though?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154039
good luck with that

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154033

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154085
>chrome
Kill yourself. I bet you use Win 10 too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154094
自閉症ちゃん、おちつけよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154094
Windows 10 is great for learning Japanese, what are you on about?

[Anonymous No.]

>三が日
Why does this exist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154141
It's literally never written that way when the writer isn't intentionally trying to be confusing. Don't worry about it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154149
I saw it used by a native on twitter

[Anonymous No.]

>so sure the word is mieru click the 'easy' button before reading what it is
>hear the narrator say 'oboeru'

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154161
I see literally everything used by natives on twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154163
士
土

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154186
末
未

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154163
>企業
>きぎょうって「manufacturing」ですね
>答えを見たか見ないかのうちに「good」ボタンを押して「business」見える

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154260
All these -業 ones in a row in the Core deck are horrible and almost got to leech tier for me early on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154288
If you forget a word a few times, favorite it, then take a minute later to actually learn it. Like look up a Japanese definition for it or even the etymology.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153880
Can you use MangaRock for raws? I just downloaded and every manga I look at is in English. It asked me to choose a language source at first but Japanese wasn't one of the categories.

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>>18154472
Yeah that's what I do with potential leeches anyway. But in this case I had the pronunciation down for all of them, it's the definition that tripped me up since I kept mismatching them because they all pertain to the same subject. Eventually the due date for each one shifted apart from each other enough so that confusing them was less problematic. If there's one problem with the core deck, I would say it's bunching up these same kanji words together, making you learn them all on the same day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145656
>translating Japanese back to English in my head and instead read Japanese as Japanese?
Is this really a thing? I've never really felt it because I've always drilled sentences and imagined what the sentence described in order to associate Japanese with a concept and not an English word.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154509
No, what I meant is that I don't believe an app like MangaRock but with raws instead of scanlations exists.

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>>18154518
Monolingual people usually have that problem, because their brain isn't wired the same and didn't develop and consolidate in the same way the brain of someone growing up with multiple languages. There are a lot of studies on this, the neural pathways are entirely different.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154530
Damn, you got me really excited. I thought you meant one didn't exist for Android, but MangaRock is on iPhone.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154570
So does this mean that the thing about adults having more difficulty learning languages is only true for monolinguals?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154578
I'm talking about adults who grew up monolingual vs adults who grew up at least bilingual. Nothing to do with the meme debate about adult language learning vs child language learning. But adults who grew up monolingual would certainly have a harder time learning a language than an adult who grew up bilingual, that goes without saying.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153531
not him but could you elaborate? Does that mean you don't study words outside of anki?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154841
Anki is something you do every day, repeatedly, until you are 100% sure you know everything in the deck.
Its not something you just blast through in record time and then close forever.

[Anonymous No.]

>祐巳を駅の鏡に見立てて、前髪を直しタイを結び直す仕草をしてみせた。

How does してみせた differ from just してみた? I understand what the latter would mean but am certainly missing a grammar point that holds the key to the actual meaning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154938
Sorry let me clarify. Originally I thought it meant "she tried to do." Now I think the meaning is more of "showed doing." Also I left out the first part of the sentence which was a mistake because it contains the subject marker.

桂さんはそう言いながら, 祐巳を駅の鏡に見立てて、前髪を直しタイを結び直す仕草をしてみせた。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148269
>>18148269
The question here, to me, is "which of these three things should you do if you only have time for one on a bad day"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155076
Anki. Don't let that shit pile up, ever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18148320
this tbqh
I tried forcing myself into reading at an early stage because >read more and it was terrible advice
I stopped reading and did a good 2 months straight of anki reps to improve my vocab and general experience, with a bit more grammar study thrown into the mix.

When I finished that and came back to reading, it was night and day. Reading with little to no vocab is absolutely terrible, I actually think it would have hindered my learning more than helped it because even if I plowed through and did the reading I probably would have made wrongful assumptions about certain words being conjugations or other mistakes that I couldn't know any better at the time. Vocab is king.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155109
Thank you, I could have needed you yesterday to argue with all these morons who replied ''read more'' on the survey, yet couldn't argue their choice to save their lives. Telling people to read more without enough vocabulary under their belt is a recipe for discouragement and abandonment. Looking up every word in a dictionary while reading is tedious as fuck and absolutely not viable.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18154938
>実際にその行為をして、人に示す。「歌って―・せる」「おどけて―・せる」
It means as you said, and the clause 「祐巳を駅の鏡に見立てて」 making that rather apparent. ～てみる means something completely different.

[Anonymous No.]

Basic question, but I often hear あの人 pronounced as あのしと rather than あのひと. Are my ears bad, or is this just one of those things you pick up as you go?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155189
あのｓｈｉｔ?

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>>18155189
You're pronouncing ひ like ''he'' in English probably. The sound isn't made the same way in Japanese, it's produced more with air right behind the teeth (which makes it closer to し than ''he'' in English). ''He'' in English is produced with air flowing mid-mouth. し gets the same treatment, and you shouldn't pronounce it like ''she'' in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155189
No, you just don't know how to prounce ひと.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155196

Awesome, that makes sense. Thank you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155194
>>18155200
Good quality /jp/ DJT tier posts. And you wonder why people call you autistic fucks while /int/'s DJT is actually helpful for people learning the language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155212
Then fuck off. Faggot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155219
You're telling me to fuck off when I was the only anon giving the guy a proper helpful response? How about you two nimrods fuck off instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155221
No, I'm telling you to fuck off because you're a whiny faggot. If you don't want stupid answers don't make stupid questions.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155194
>>18155196
>>18155200
You're all clueless, or the original poster may actually have bad hearing. http://www.imabi.net/sorh.htm

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155196
First result in google for
>why does 人 sometimes sound like しと
https://japanese.stackexchange.com/questions/5296/why-is-この人-sometimes-pronounced-like-このしと

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155240
Quoted wrong post, mistake >>18155189

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155232
This is a language learning thread, his question concerned the phonetics of the language, which is quite legitimate because it's not covered in the guide. You went on to insult him by telling him he doesn't know how to pronounce ひと (which was obvious going by what he said), and didn't bother to tell him how to pronounce it even though it could have taken you the same time as it took to insult him. Just fuck off back to your comic book threads if you're not here to discuss language.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155250
why try to force thread into something is not?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155239
How a I clueless, I specifically explained that the sounds were similar, which is why there was confusion. That's what your link says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155255
Because people see the OP and expect help in this thread, and instead they only get insults and discouragement from asshole gatekeepers. Stop using the DJT tag in the OP if being DJT is ''forcing the thread into something it's not'', and simply be that thing you're saying it is.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155269
guide says not to ask easily searched question
have you read guide in OP?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155277
Everything is easily searchable according to you people. Maybe it's hard for you to put yourself in a beginners' shoes, maybe because it's been a while since you've been there. But thing aren't so obvious when you see them for the first time. Also, nothing else was being discussed, and I don't see you going straight for the jugular when people ask questions about girlfriends or other impertinent subjects. At least the guys is asking about the language and isn't off-topic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155286
first result in google is easiest to find
try use other site maybe
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155302
I get that, but everything is on Google. So what are we supposed to talk about here then. Cartoons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18152917
It's the ステマちゃん meme!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155131
Thank you for your help. I found the entry for　見せる in the DOJG. I have another question about the sentence. I don't understand how 祐巳を connects to 駅の鏡に見立てて. Is 桂 choosing the train station mirror, and then fixing 祐巳's appearance? Or is 桂 choosing the train station mirror, fixing her own appearance, and by doing so showing 祐巳 how to fix hers?

>桂さんはそう言いながら, 祐巳を駅の鏡に見立てて、前髪を直しタイを結び直す仕草をしてみせた

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155339
I don't know the full context, but I'm pretty sure this is the "regard as" meaning of 見立てる:
>（３）仮定する。なぞらえる。「桜の花を霞(カスミ)に―・てる」
i.e. using 祐巳 as a stand-in for a train station mirror.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155286
can you get a trip so we can filter you

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155375
why would he do that, that would mean he actually has to own his stupidity

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155375
can you get a filter so we can trip you

[Anonymous No.]

イキそう
Can someone explain this? I have never seen hiragana and katakana combined before

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155365
That would make sense. They are talking in a classroom in the morning before class. During the conversation they were talking about commuting and train stations so I was a bit confused. So my last question is what exactly does it mean to use 祐巳 as a mirror? Its a type of phrase that I'm not familiar with in English.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155375
There you gatekeepers go again, being unhelpful, and acting like you own this thread. Fuck off.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155396
ban evasion is against the rules

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155389
post context m8

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155385
yeah here you go guys get em while theyre hot

/gatekeep/i;stub:no;boards:jp
/cartoon/i;stub:no;boards:jp
/comic/i;stub:no;boards:jp

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155212
The last time I visited this thread was over six months ago but it's good to see you're still here, /int/ autist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155389
about to NUUUUT

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155401
this will filter chinese/mongolian cartoon posts too though

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155389
Some verbs are usually written in a mix of katakana for the stem and hiragana for the okurigana, イく ("to cum") meaning is one of them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155398
I was never banned you gatekeeping fuck. Stop trying to get mods to do your bidding.

>>18155402
Good to see you, /jp/ autist

>>18155401
>WAAHHH I NEED A SAFESPACE WAAHHHH
https://www.reddit.com/r/LearnJapanese/
This is more your speed, systematic censorship is enforced of the whole site to protect snowflakes' feels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155400
its one of my combat actions in a jrpg
My character just yells when I use it and gets some aura

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155212
Perhaps try just reporting the shitposts, instead of forcibly dragging meta into these threads every single day? Even if you're right, excessive demand for meta is still rather off-topic after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155389
>I have never seen hiragana and katakana combined before

Happens all the time though. イキそう,　キレる, モテる, etc. are pretty common. When did you start studying?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155414
Is there a reason this wouldn't just be 行く?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155431
That's more associated with going in a literal sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155431
That's not correct, bro.
it's "i'm about to NUUUUUT" not "I'm about to GOOOOOO"

[Anonymous No.]

btw the reason you think dogen's pitch accent is affected is because he avoids sharp upsteps
no idea why he does but i've also noticed news reporters do it in certain situations

[Anonymous No.]

Speaking of Dogen, are his videos worth watching if I have no interest in speaking and only want to improve my listening comprehension?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155447
yes, but only the ones that are already public, because they run over the basics of pitch accent (which makes it easier to notice) in a way that illiterates can understand

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155447
No
But if you really have no interest in speaking, let's be honest here, japanese is not exactly worth learning

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155452
I read and listen to Japanese everyday and have no regrets.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155430
I've been studying for a decent while now but for whatever reason I've just never encountered those before.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155474
It typically happens with slang and loanwords like スタンバる, ググる etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155474
2 months is not a "decent while", N3-kun

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155479
combining 2 months with n3 is a disgrace to n3s

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155481
Honestly you could probably pass N3 in 2 months if you aimed really low

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155414
>>18155439
Not the guy who originally asked,you but why would a jrpg character say that he's about to bust a nut when he's attacking? Seems a little out of place

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155419
Yeah but other people have to report them too, mods don't delete posts or ban people for 1 report. So I have to rally other people by talking about it so that we can finally fix this shitty general.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155414
Real talk, why is that イく and not くル

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155391
Not really "use as a mirror", I guess. More like showing 祐巳 what they do in front of the mirror.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155489
Probably sexual innuendo.

>>18155494
Because it's a different language. I think the French do the same.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155491
What is this nonsense? Yes, they can. Just report them.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155489
I don't know, my post is from before he mentioned it was a JRPG. Could be, I dunno, an Alicesoft game or something, though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155505
Yeah but they aren't, and then they complain that this general's quality has gone down. I'm just saying what people should do if they want to fix this.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18155478
テンパる

もでてくるとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155498
Ok, thanks. I'm going to reread a while this after I clear all the mined words in anki and have better comprehension in general, so hopefully then my understanding of this part will be much better.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145857
I had a question related to this.
The alternative guide advises against using flashcards littered with mnemonics, but I'm having trouble memorizing them in any other way. The meaning behind the word is easy to see, but not the reading itself. Is this just something you're meant to brute-force until your brain gives in?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155527
>みたてる

あんまりつかわないよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155532
If you're not already using them, audio samples may help you remember readings. Not sure about the new rikai-whatever, but the rikaisama auto-import had audio, and you can download them from forvo. Other than that, try watching/listening to more Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155511
No, I mean that other bit. If you see blogposts, report them. Simple as that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155532
readings will be hard until at least your brain starts to acquire Japanese phono-tactics
until then keep it simple still

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155541
>>18155581
Thank you for the advice.

[Anonymous No.]

てをあらおう

ぜいきんをはらおう
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-l0IKv8GEI

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155532
could try to make card for reading and other card for meaning
more card but less of memory effort

[Anonymous No.]

愛してるよ、アノン！

だからもっともっと頑張って欲しいんだもんね。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155532
Most of the words are ONs so it's really easy to remember readings since most of the kanjis have part that defines their on reading. Also tons of ON readings are not hard either because they derive from other japanese words. Like 茸 is 木の子 or 遡る is 逆登る, it makes perfect sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155811
このカキコだけ、諦めた

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155814
I wanted to write KUN in the second sentence.

[Anonymous No.]

how do you anons even read kanji at typical font size? Hiragana is fine but with kanji I either have to upscale the display size to grandpa levels or move my face right up to the screen

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155851
Use CRT display or a phone.

No I am not kidding.

[Anonymous No.]

あめりかは

せんそうするたびにぜいきんがあがって

にほんは

じしんがおこるたびにぜいきんがあがるんだって

おもしろーい

[Anonymous No.]

So at what point do reviews actually start decreasing? This is with an average retention of 87%.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155912
When you're done with new cards, duh

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155851
I set my browser font to Meiryo. It doesnt work for japanese only though, so I had to set normal font as well. Took some time to get used to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155851
Kochi Gothic

More seriously, once you're more familiar with the language recognizing kanji/words gets easier even at smaller font sizes

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155950
But the info graph said an adult Japanese knows more than 30000 words or something! This will take years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155965
Are you a Japanese adult? You're probably never going to reach that point except if you go live in Japan for 15 years something
Anyways you can always suspend some cards

[Anonymous No.]

３まん

おにいちゃんならできるよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18147203

>日　＋　青　＝　晴

What is the character to the left of the `+`? My locale in my browser doesn't recognize it apparently. also, does anyone have a fix? I'm on linux.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156134
えすじすにしてみたら？

ＵＴＦよりにほんごむけだよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156134
Maybe you should switch back to windows if you're tech-illiterate

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156163
Weirdly, I wasn't really expecting rudeness.

>tech-illiterate
This is honestly the first time I've ever been called that. It doesn't feel to good, if I'm being honest.

Anyways, I'm asking if there's some font I need that includes whatever character that is. `ttf-vlgothic` obviously doesn't cover it. My guess is that you don't know, so I'll just mass download every nip font I can find.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156178
フォントじゃなくて

文字セットをかえるとかじゃないかなあとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156178
ふごーかほーしき
符号化方式

がいっちしなかったとき

もじばけ
文字化けするっていうよ

それじゃないかな

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156184
>>18156197
Yeah it looks like a utf-8 issue in chromium. Firefox doesn't isn't displaying any issues or even a character there.

ありがとうございます

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156211
よかった

あんしんしてねられるよ

おやすみ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155867
CRT gives cancer

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155995
>you're probably never going to reach that point
Absolutely nothing prevents you from it, there are people who have about 20k os selfmade cards or more, me included.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156262
If you sit inside the monitor, sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18155952
meiryo masterrace

[Anonymous No.]

なにかおはなしして

そしたらねるから

[Anonymous No.]

If you can read this without looking up anything you'll pass N2 exam with ease.

[Anonymous No.]

This is probably gonna sound retarded but, 大田 is おうだ.

Is the う silent so it sounds like (おだ) or is お slightly elongated so it sounds a bit like (おおだ)?

I always assumed the later but some people keep telling me that the う is silent for some reason. I have no fucking clue why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156674
It's おおだ or おおた, never おうだ.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156650
had to look up 照準 and 標す

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156650
This is harder what typical reading section of n1 looks like so you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156679
Okay but is the second お silent?
I hear people tell me it is for some reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156713
Silent letters are only in English no Japanese, not sure what you're talking about.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156720
People tell me it's silent for reason, like I said here >>18156674.
> people keep telling me that the う is silent for some reason. I have no fucking clue why.
That's why I'm asking if it is.
I don't get what's so confusing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156708
Maybe I should take N1 this year.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156765
Just listen to pronounciation of 王 and 狼 and notice the difference.

Also, many people pronounce it differently. Some say おお in one breath and some make a small pause between the おお like in いい

[Anonymous No.]

Results should be out in a month. Are you ready to see your score?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156774
I don't think it's silent like I keep saying, I'm just asking if they're wrong.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156765

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156790
If you want to prove them wrong better search for a scientific paper on the subject.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18156765
Sounds like people who don't understand how to describe when おう and えい are elongated お and え, or people who were misinformed by such people.

[Anonymous No.]

Dragon Quest on 3DS is really a blast. It‘s somewhat simple and has furigana for the most part. If you’re somewhat of a beginner and are looking for a fun game to play, this is it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157267
Yeah it's pretty good. It's very very long though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157267
very tempted to import DQXI for PS4 for this reason

[Anonymous No.]

I could use some help understanding this sentence. There's not much context to go with it.

>森のだらしなさに愛想が尽きた...!?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157380
Fed up with the forest's dirtiness.
Look up 愛想が尽きる

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157380
>森 - forest
>だらしなさ - sloppyness, dirtyness
>愛想が尽きる - to be fed up with, to run out of patience with​

Just use a dictionary?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157267
I'm using IX instead. I'm saving XI for when I'm proficient enough to play and understand it.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm reading something that's very heavy in slang (used by trendy Tokyo teens) and one sentence has my headass tangled.

The context is that a character is giving someone a nice birthday present and the person receiving the present says "俺お前ん時何もしてなくね！?" Is he saying that he hasn't really done anything to deserve it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157404
>>18157408
Fucking hell I'm dumb. Thanks.
There's also this page I'm having trouble understanding. Especially what they mean by "balance".

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157422
Didn't do anything for him when he had his birthday.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157455
This perfectly explains 俺お前ん時 which was confusing me the most. Seems like the answer for "What is ん short for today" was の. Thank you!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157425
She wants to show off her goods.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157425
She has big honkers while the other 2 girls are flat so it balances out.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157516
Thank you! I don't get how Japanese people can automatically understand what she means by a vague term like that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157425
Sorry, but my final question is what the hell 「イザベル殿は何とバランスとっているのですかね」is supposed to mean. I'm not even sure what verb works here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157523
Well, it's not exactly subtle. I mean, just look at the panels where they talk about "balance". It sounds like you're focusing too much on words, you should also keep an eye out for visual context and cues.
>>18157548
何とバランスを取っている = what are you balancing out? ("are you calling us flat?", "are you bragging about your boobs?", or, as she says in the next speech bubble, "are you saying "leave the 色気 to me?"")

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157567
Thank you, I think I get it. So the と there functions as a quoting particle? I'll try to think outside the box more for these exchanges. I swear this language follows no logical course whatsoever.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157589
No, it's the "with" と, as in XをYと比べる, XはYと付き合ってる etc.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153666
Maybe you stopped your reviews yesterday while some cards were still in the learning phase? Anki didn't show you those cards because the time for the final learning step wasn't reached yet.

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry to bother folks, but does this say 就活イズコープ? イズコープ isn't making any sense.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157719
>イズコープ
Scope.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157758
Thank you!

[Anonymous No.]

REMEMBER THAT 馬油 IS READ ばあゆ AND NOT うまあぶら！！！

[Anonymous No.]

>吉田先生からも事務所に来ないかと声をかけられたいる

Did Yoshida-sensei tell the person telling the story to come to his office? Or was it something like Yoshida-sensei wasn't at his office so the person telling the story called him? 来ない is what's mainly throwing me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157874
>>18157874
>Did Yoshida-sensei tell the person telling the story to come to his office?
Yes.
>来ない is what's mainly throwing me.
来ないか = "won't you come?"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157880
TIL about 来ないか, kinda mad I didn't make the connection. Thank you very much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157848
Don't tell me what to do 馬鹿 （うましか）

[Anonymous No.]

I recently started using Anki, sometimes I want to review learnt cards but the "Review ahead" option only review the same cards in the same order without changing. How to review random cards?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157943
Why don't you go and do something productive instead?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157948
I already worked my share today, anon-kun. Just let me review at my leisure

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157959
Try reading instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157943
>>18157959
You could try making a duplicate deck or something. Anyway, I don't think doing more reviews than necessary will be very useful. You'll be fine if you just follow Anki's SRS.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157943
What I've been doing the last few days is choosing 'review forgotten cards' and you can bump up the days worth of forgotten cards for how much you want to review. I don't know if its random but its felt more random in my experience than review ahead has.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

さーむい

そと０℃だとおもうよ

[Anonymous No.]

Tbh hypothetically speaking couldn't I just learn 100 words a day and be able to understand a very large percentage of Japanese in just 20 days. (because 20*100 = 2000 which is Core2k.)
Why dont people do this, why is everybody struggling so much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158259
Try it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158235
自閉症児

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158259
You can only learn 100 words a day if you already have a large base vocabulary which you are basing readings and meanings off of to some extent or have very good Kanji knowledge. People post pretty often about how they are struggling to remember the first few words of Core and I honestly had the same issue when I started out. I recently tried doing 100 and it surprisingly didn't even take an hour (with 3 steps) but I already had like ~5500 words in my deck. By the way, I think people overestimate the usefulness of Core2k a bit. You will NOT be able to understand "a large percentage of Japanese". Media aimed at native speakers uses far more than those 2000, you may find you understand a full sentence from time to time but the real result of Core2k is really just that you recognize a word here and there. After 20 days of 100 words you will be spending far more time than is healthy in Anki anyway, so you won't even have the chance to consume Japanese media. I also think time is important in language learning, 20 days isn't enough to let the basics truly sink in.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158259
You're a fucking genius anon, someone update the guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158305
This better be bait.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158259
>Core2k.
>understand a very large percentage of Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158321
Hey man listen 10% or something is very large compared to 0%. Don't give me that sass

[Anonymous No.]

I should read more and not watch animu

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158429
What's the chart from? Something you made?

[Anonymous No.]

>He doesn't learn 100 new cards a day

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158331
>10% or something
not a bad guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158515
someone post the rewritten one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158512
It's his JCAT scores from 3 tests

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158512
it's their J-CAT scores

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158515
If I read this correctly, 60% of all newspaper words are the same ~200 words? Doesn't sound right

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158599
If you pick a random word from anywhere withing a given newspaper, there is a 60% chance that it is one of the most common ~200 words across newspapers.

[Anonymous No.]

＞脳味噌

[Anonymous No.]

What does it mean if a gyaru keeps referring to me as あなた in her texts? Is there no subtle meaning and I'm being stupid? Because I remember most beginner resources I used to read said that あなた or 君 was impolite and sounded interrogative or antagonistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158670
doesn't really mean anything
what's impolite/antagonistic is using a second person pronoun when not necessary, it's like speaking with emphasis on the "you" in english instead of keeping it unstressed

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158609
That's surprisingly low. I'd like to know the equivalent for other languages (sheer curiosity)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158719
It's low because they're including grammatical words and it's inflection-agnostic (or rather inflections are considered "words").

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158723
Or rather, they measure coverage as the number of words, including grammatical, that you need to know to reach the given %. Then from that pool of words they subtract the words that you're expected to know before reading it no matter what, including grammatical words and proper names.

[Anonymous No.]

I didn't do my reps today. I'm scared. What's going to happen to me?

[Anonymous No.]

This is why http://wiki.wareya.moe/Stats ignores grammatical words completely when calculating coverage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158734
lol.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158723
>>18158732
So for examples all inflections/conjugations of 開ける nd 開く count as one "unit" of language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158759
example*
and*

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158759
the specific case of 開ける would register as 開ける because it's considered its own word

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158734
The demiurge will punish you with an iron fist. You must obey the rules and do your reps every day, in worship of the material world and therefore Him.

Do your reps, sheeple

[Anonymous No.]

>>18153332
>Writing shit when everything is digital and typed now days
retard.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158823
This post was definitely needed, thanks for the input

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158259
Don't listen to anyone else, they are just jealous that you discovered this secret to fluency before them. Report back in 20 days and laugh at all the djt retards getting triggered.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158851
Thanks Anon, I can already feel my nihonjin improving.
Itadakimasu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158842
i bet you actually own a printer, like a caveman

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158904
>being this jealous
not >>18158842 but i own 3 printers.

[Anonymous No.]

is the rikai sama anki import guide still in the op or no? all i see is yomichan

i need help setting it up on pale moon

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159083
https://web.archive.org/web/20170630125218/https://djtguide.neocities.org/anki.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159152
thank you

[Anonymous No.]

anti-writers will NEVER EVER know the satisfaction of perfectly recalling every stroke

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159271
i think i will survive

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159271
I bet I will never enjoy the sensation of being fucked in the ass, but I'm not jealous

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159271
fluent people will never ever know the satisfaction of clearing an anki session

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145572
Any linux users here that have had any luck getting either Hanahira or Flyable Heart to work on Wine? Flyable Heart does have a WineHQ page but the only thing on it is some guy saying something about Thunderbird in broken English

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159271
anti-writers will also never know the humiliation of forgetting how to write jouyou kanji

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159407
what's more humiliating, forgetting (human trait), or being too lazy/afraid to bother (scumbag trait)?

[Anonymous No.]

>Yfw after a 100 new word study

[Anonymous No.]

Can anybody help me out with this word that looks like it's read おうせん. Despite the furigana I can't seem to find it anywhere. Neither 塵戦 nor 慶戦 seem to be it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159639
鏖戦

[Anonymous No.]

Should I bother changing the font for chrome so Kanji doesn't get displayed as a cluster fuck? Or does every just roll with it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159688
Thanks man, you're the best

[Anonymous No.]

Can someone tell me what 会話ぶった切って means? Is it a common phrase I just haven't run into before?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159832
wild guess but it probably means cutting off a conversation

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159832
It's either cut a conversation or suddenly stop it for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18145572
>A:
>吉岡、これからどうするつもりだ・・・？
>吉岡:
>しょうがねぇ・・・
>ここにいたんじゃ
>ヤバすぎる

I don't understand what Yoshioka is trying to say here. Specially the past tense+んじゃ part.

The guys says this after he had to make a difficult maneuver with the car and he crashed because a zombie got inside from the roof.
Pic related is the official kodansha translation, but I don't know how right that can be.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18158515
Seems pretty low considering they include conjugated forms but then again 99% means you will be coming across an unknown word every 100 you read in average and it would be a painful reading without a dictionary. Intested to see what 99.9 will look like.

[Anonymous No.]

After watching a few movies on Nico Nico I will never shit talk crappy English translations after experiencing Japanese translations in all their glory.

[Anonymous No.]

I will never shit talk crappy English translations again after watching a few movies on Nico Nico and seeing shitty Japanese translations in all their glory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160472
I honestly don't really know how to translate this literally but
ここにいたのではヤバすぎる
>if we stayed here then it is too dangerous

Hope I helped

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159271
Pro writers are usually too stupid to begin writing with a brush and cursive script so they lack the only advantage they could've had - reading hand-written fonts. That's actually importain.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160472
because it was here (i.e. zombies are here) it can't be helped, too yabai

not completely sure, I also thought it could mean "it's too dangerous to stay here" but I think there are more natural ways of saying that

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160584
>>18160571
Just shit talk both of them

EOPs and JOPs can 仲良しゴゥ・トゥ・ヘーール!!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160666
The standard over there is really fucking low, especially movie subs are terrible. I'm usually going for dubbed movies (Back to the Future was surprisingly fun in Jap) to train listening comprehension but often you only get the fucked subs. Worst thing is they even prefer that to their more quality dubbing and I have no idea why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160700
Why would they waste their time with shitty gaijin movies when they could be producing superior j-dorama?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160736
>j-dorama
i thought i'd seen everything but i never thought i'd see this again

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159709
Assuming the font isn't actually Chinese or broken, there is a certain degree of kanji clusterfucks that you eventually should expect to be able to read. No one above intermediate is allowed to go full retard just because a single kanji looks like crushed mouse poop, unless it's a kanji or word they legitimately don't know. So in that sense, people deal with it.

But of course, don't purposely make yourself uncomfortable. Change it if it bothers you. If you're still learning kanji then it's extremely important that you burn their clear, correct shapes into your head so that you can remember them when they appear in less-than-ideal forms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160736
Because Japanese movies nowadays are mostly gutter tier trash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160761
Honestly most movies nowadays are gutter tier trassh

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160536
>coming across an unknown word every 100 you read in average and it would be a painful reading without a dictionary
I would describe it more as "itchy"

You know you should put down the book and pick up a dictionary, but you're too lazy, so you tell yourself you'll remember it and look it up later, but you never do. And then you tell yourself that you'll finish the book now and re-read it later skimming and mining out the words you missed, but you never do that either. So you're left feeling a little guilty about slacking in your studies, or so you would be if you weren't already knee-deep into the next book, too immersed to give a shit.

at least that's the pattern I've been following for the past 4 months

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160651
I think >>18160628 got it right.
I think it's using the past as if to give the いる a sense of lasting action. Hence the STAYED in:
>if we STAYED here then it is too dangerous
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

DJT library guy, if you're there, do you have an email or other form of contact so can i send you stuff that i bought?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160754
Nah I been studying for a year and know a bunch of kanji just wanted to know whether there was a cleaner way that people were using I didn't know about. I dealt with it otherwise but Times New Roman font clearly was never made for any form of test from Asia.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18157422
>俺お前ん時何もしてなくね！？
>>/jp/thread/S18012291#p18014637

what's this from

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160628
But this use doesn't have anything to do with のではないか, does it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160850
I don't see how it could

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160816
What did you buy?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18159421
the first one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160863
Saekano's last 2 volumes, some classics like genji, tsurezuregusa, makura soushi....

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160816
>>18160891
If you have rips, upload them to the thread. Shit gets lost into the ether forever because faggots try to make things obscure which are going to be shared anyway. That is why the COR is still standing strong while thousands of obscure thousand link redirect blog sites are full of dead links.

Don't ask about sharing something, just share it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160891
Nice

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160867
Wrong. You can't even write more than 30 those probably.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160909
しょめいなんだろうわかんない

亀は万（萬）年
苦労は毒
何事（亊）も日々
感謝の心

？壽　？？　印

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160902
I'm asking because i want to make sure it reaches him. More often than not, people aren't interested in whatever gets shared and gets lost forever. I've found so many dead links on the archive of one shots that anons have translated and uploaded but can't be found on the internet anymore. An indiscriminate place that's persistently maintained like djt library is better than this ephemeral imageboard. It's not something stupid like making things obscure

すらすら読める徒然草.epub
https://a.safe.moe/7dLwL.epub


冴えない彼女の育てかた12.epub
https://a.safe.moe/9gpqs.epub


冴えない彼女の育てかた13.epub
https://a.safe.moe/HyYJj.epub


枕草子　ビギナーズ・クラシックス　日本の古典.epub
https://a.safe.moe/N0IWM.epub


源氏物語　ビギナーズ・クラシックス　日本の古典.epub
https://a.safe.moe/3I2Q0.epub

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160918
So?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160981
So?
>>18159421
>what's more humiliating, forgetting (human trait), or being too lazy/afraid to bother (scumbag trait)?
>>18160867
>the first one


clearly the first one isn't true because being able to write them but forgetting a couple of much less humiliating than being too much of a brainlet to write them in the first place.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161035
But he can read more since he didn't spend so much time drawing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161070
that's just laziness. NEETs have unlimited time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161075
>i am a neet so everyone is

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161085
>i put in the minimal effort so everybody else should too

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161085
>>18161117
Who are you guys quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161070
>But he can read more since he didn't spend so much time drawing.
I don't give a shit about either direction of this petty repeat argument, but this claim is really fucking dumb and makes far too many naive assumptions about trading time in one area for time in another with no relation between the two and no diminishing returns of overstudying.
It may be true. It certainly isn't a guarantee.

[Anonymous No.]

>started reading 2 weeks ago casually
>about 1-2 hours a day
>reading has already become infinitely easier, went from 1 line in a couple of minutes to probably 10 or so lines in a couple of minutes
it feels good to progress this much this fast
does it keep getting better?
there are even some sentences i can understand without needing to use any help at all

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161179
Are you able to write the Kanji? If not, you will not make any further progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160941
That reminds me I've been meaning to share the books I've bought.

https://a.safe.moe/ErvJF.zip
Contents
>安達としまむら 1～7 - 入間人間
>少女妄想中 - 入間人間
>君が僕を 1～4 - 中里十

[Anonymous No.]

>頭を振る
Why is 頭 read as かぶり? Would reading it as あたま be wrong?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160918
167/200

http://www.kanken.or.jp/kanken/outline/data/outline_degree_example_2m_h26.pdf

though to be fair I'm pretty sure this test was easier than other years, so the pass mark might have been higher than 80%

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161266
If it's being used as an expression to mean "denial" it would be かぶり, but if it's just the physical act, then I think it would still be あたま. Not really sure though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161266
あたまのこともあるよ

かぶりのこともある

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161367
そこは例を挙げろよこのアンポンタン

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161345
Thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161391

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161228
what do you mean?

[Anonymous No.]

What should my retention rate for recently-graduated cards (~1 week) be? It feels like I'm forgetting a little too many.

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to write more and it's making me realise how headass and panicky I am, I keep second-guessing myself.

For example, if I were to write something like 'mother of wolf babies', would I just keep using の so it reads "母の狼の赤ちゃん" or would I need a different particle in there somewhere?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161610
There is a word 仔 so you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161621
Ahh thanks, I knew about 子 but hadn't come across 仔.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161610
If there's any one Japanese language class I would want to take, it would be creative Japanese writing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161610
狼子の母

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160925
>？壽　？？　印
my chink roommate says 末寿　晴？ [？晴]

and he thinks ？ = 心 but isn't positive

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161588
depends on the difficulty of the words, your current knowledge, the number of reviews you're doing, your intervals, your personal standards, and your honesty/accuracy when answering

i.e. who fucking knows

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161610
if you're indirectly asking whether XのXのX is okay, the answer is yes

its not as awkward as it sounds in english, and sometimes there is no better way to construct it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161693
しゅいんをみたら

>晴画

なんじゃないかなとおもうよ

寿はこういうふうにかくのがふつうだよ

さいごくるくるする

[Anonymous No.]

How good are random/trending Japanese YouTube vids for learning?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161416
てめえの母が俺の息子でくるくるするほうが普通だろうこの書道オタク

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161733
Is it made by natives for natives? Go enjoy it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160941
>>18161253
Thanks a lot. I'll add these in the next update. (I read every thread so I'll see anything you post here.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161747
Good to know, thanks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161733
often comes with subtitles and is probably limited/simple in vocab if it's on trending

[Anonymous No.]

おはよう。仕事に行きます:(

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161885
おしごとしてるあのんがすき

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161179
Good job! What have you been reading? It does keep getting easier, but then I think it's important to read a variety material at different levels of difficulty and that cover all sorts of content. Ignore the other reply about handwriting, he's just shitposting

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161416
おうべいだと ドライフルーツは いちじくが メジャーらしい けど
にほんや ちゅうごくだと かきが メジャー

[Anonymous No.]

the sakubi anon wrote neodjt, right?
if so, why does neodjt say the "focus" idea of が from tae kim is wrong, but sakubi pretty much agrees with him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161228
>>18161449
Are you able, dare I say, to REMEMBER™ the Kanji???

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162074

[Anonymous No.]

I started Core6K, but I didn't think I'd enjoy reading as much as I do so I've built a healthy mining deck. I think stopping at 2000 might be good and then move on to the mining deck, but would it be better to stop once I reach 2000 or when I have 2000 marked as mature?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162089
mining is already an alternative to core decks. if you like mining your deck right off the bat then there really isn't any reason to keep doing it.

if you do, though, i suppose you could always just turn off new cards at 2k and keep reviewing

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162099
especially considering that there's probably a decent amount of overlap if you started mining without making much progress into core

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162089
Core2k/6k is just here to get you started, the sooner you drop it and start reading the better
Remembering vocab via mining is much easier than memorizing vocab via rote (core2k) thanks to context

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162061
>the sakubi anon wrote neodjt, right?
probably

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162061
>the sakubi anon wrote neodjt, right?
Where did you get this idea?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162127
oh please, who else

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162160
How do you think the original guides got created, anon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162061
I'll bite.

Sakubi doesn't "pretty much" agree with TK. TK is steadfast that が is not a subject pronoun. Thankfully, anyone with half a brain that knows Japanese will know that TK is very wrong. At least if they know what a subject is. They might not if they don't.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162231
>TK is steadfast that が is not a subject pronoun.
context for this
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar/particlesintro#The_identifier_particle
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/there-is-no-such-thing-as-a-subject/
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/difference-between-wa-and-ga/

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162231
Isn't は the focus marker? Like, topic and focus are pretty much the same thing, right? What's there to differentiate は and が if one's the topic so it draws attention to it, and the other is a focus, so it draws attention to it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162261
>>18162231
i dont know what im reading
didnt tae kim make a very clear distinction between topic and subject? it makes plenty of sense to me how he explained it and i can understand how they work fairly well.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162261
>Isn't は the focus marker?
Not really? Like, pretty much any case particle you could use puts some focus on the noun you're using. は puts a lot less focus on what you're identifying than が does.

>Like, topic and focus are pretty much the same thing, right?
Topic is a grammatical thing. It decides how verbs are understood.

Here's an example.
>今まで犬、フェレット、インコ、ハムスターを飼ったことがありましたが、猫は飼ったことがありませんでした。猫はとってもかわいいので飼ってみたかったのですが、勝手な思い込みで猫は愛想がないとか、飼うのは大変とか思っていたんですが、そんなことはありませんでした。

Emphasis on:
>猫は飼ったことがありませんでした。

飼った would mean something different if something else was the topic, like the first person. Here, は restricts the possible interpretations of 飼った. が would be ungrammatical, but if you used を, it would be less about restricting the interpretation and more about focusing on the idea of 猫を飼う.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162285
he says that subjects don't exist in japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18160941
>More often than not, people aren't interested in whatever gets shared and gets lost forever.
Only because they upload them to obscure, small and unreliable temporary hosting services instead of uploading them to something like mega. There are mega links littered throughout the various 4chan archives, years old and still perfectly functional.
http://desuarchive.org/_/search/text/%22mega.nz%22/order/asc/
http://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/text/%22mega.nz%22/order/asc/
>>/jp/?task=search2&ghost=yes&search_text=%22mega.nz%22&search_subject=&search_username=&search_tripcode=&search_email=&search_filename=&search_datefrom=&search_dateto=&search_op=all&search_del=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=old&search_capcode=all&search_res=post

This ephemeral image board is heavily archived and there is no better place to dump relevant links than in this thread. No need to wait till you have attention and someone willing to pat you on the head and say "good boy, you've done well". Let's be honest, if you wanted to share these and make sure the maintainer knew, you'd post them directly to the op website feedback instead of fucking around for attention. There was a redditor here with apparent access to a large online database of manga but instead of ripping shit and sharing it he also wanted to wait for specific opportune moments for acknowledgement. Made sure to leave his username because we know ego validation is the most important thing here. We'll probably never get to reap the benefits of that collection. Meanwhile these sorts of people take no issue with thanklessly taking from others.
Don't take it as ungrateful but someone has to be the cunt because no one wants to hear what others are thinking. The COR et al., likely wouldn't have ever become a thing if it was left up to people like you.

Don't ask about sharing something, just share it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162291
>This is where the 「が」 particle comes into play. It is also referred to as the subject particle but I hate that name since “subject” means something completely different in English grammar.
>Instead, I call it the identifier particle because the particle indicates that the speaker wants to identify something unspecified.

he doesn't say they don't exist you autist, just that the way the term subject is used can be misleading and he's not wrong, because が can also mark the object in a sentence

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162332
see >>18162258
>just that the way the term subject is used can be misleading and he's not wrong
he is objectively wrong
>because が can also mark the object in a sentence
no it can't. when it marks the argument of a verb is always marks the subject.

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Might be a very obvious answer, but I'm not getting to it. Why is 「彼女かのじょは青い目をしています」using "wo shiteimasu" instead of "ga arimasu"? Doesn't "wo shiteimasu" mean that she's doing blue eyes instead of having them?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162339
look up suru in dojg, youll understand then

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162338
英語が分かる
お金が欲しい

there, objects

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162338
ラーメンが食べたい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162359
Those are subjects, lrn2active voice

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162359
they're subjects
>english can be understood
>money is desired

>>18162366
this is literally a poster child example of が as the subject of an intransitive subject

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162370
intransitive predicate*

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162370
except they would be objects in western languages so we call them objects

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162388
no, they would be subjects in western languages. the different element is not が, the different element is the predicates. japanese is different from western languages in that it usually expresses non-volitional desires with intransitive predicates, not transitive ones.

this is rule #1 of grammar: *the argument of an intransitive predicate is the subject.*

you're remembering an incorrect oversimplified version of grammar where the subject is the one "doing" something. this is wrong. the subject is a grammatical idea, not a logical one.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162394
and how does this help anyone to learn japanese, I have no idea what the fuck these grammar terms even mean and it's not important
you're complaining about shit that would do more harm than good even if it's right

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162410
if someone's notions about what grammatical words are mean are wrong, then if they're also using grammar resources, their notions need to be corrected to prevent future misunderstandings. not glossed over.

[Anonymous No.]

What does the science say on Steve Kaufmann's way of using flashcards?

If you don't know, he puts all the information on the front of the card and just reviews them as a way of refreshing his memory.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162127
cause I've been going through sakubi and they both reference the same krashen video, same learning philosophy, it links to sakubi once, etc

I'm not trying to bait. I'm a newbie and just wanna make sure I have the right idea

>>18162231
thanks for clarifying

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162346
>>18162339
Do not ever use dojg, use hjgp

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162424
It doesn't really say anything on it. There aren't any reputable studies that compare different flashcard formats.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18151371
Colloquial stuff like that is pretty much impossible avoid unless all you read is news articles and Wikipedia pages.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162416
nobody cares about these grammar terms in the first place, you just apply them without even knowing their name, that's language learning in reality
the problem is, you're trying to teach students complicated grammar terms but not out of necessity, but just because they are "technically correct", instead of just working with the terms people understand and are used to

that's just autistic and doesn't help anyone

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162424
The consensus says it's's bad, but brain/memory studies are far from being an exact science
Just do what you think is best

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162448
have fun not understanding the explanations in dojg or hjgp i guess

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162431
dont listen to this guy use both

also hjgp format sucks dick and doesnt have as many detailed entries on some things, it should be used if dojg shits the bed on some things and convolutes it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162456
hjgp should be used by default because it contains fewer errors in its explanations and is easier to look words up in

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162461
is it undoubtedly harder to look words up in, has an annoying ass vertical orientation and it's all compacted together. dojgs quick summaries without even needing to click the page is superior at least 67% of the time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162464
>is it undoubtedly harder to look words up in

[Anonymous No.]

http://life.ou.edu/stories/
Japanese traditional tales, with translation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162464
hjgp has like four different indexes to make looking stuff up as easy as possible
also dojg literally doesn't even have headers for a lot of the information it contains, it buries a lot of info within the notes of unrelated grammatical words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162472
the notes are easy to skim and typically only contain the nuances relevant to production, not reading

near the end of doing its deck I stopped even reading anything except the header text and example phrases for english comparison

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162486
please reread my post
>it buries a lot of info within the notes of unrelated grammatical words
this means that it will describe a grammatical term spelled as, for example, かたせふに (made-up gibberish), but only within the notes for the grammatical term spelled そねらたこ (also made-up gibberish), having no header of its own, making it quite literally impossible to "look up" かたせふに in dojg unless you have a text dump of it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162394
How is ラーメンが食べたい a non-volitional desire? What the fuck is a non-volitional desire even? Define your terms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162494
for every single thing I learned in dojg that had that issue i found it had cards later on that covered it

that aside, i said use both, not one, dojg is still extremely useful for a multitude of the things i mentioned even with its flaws, hjgp also does well in that its often to the point, but i find parsing through the aids format annoying to work with when typing suru into dojg instantly gives me summaries. i guarantee the する guy had an easier time grasping his question from dojg than hjgp

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162504
when you mark the "object of desire" (different than grammatical object) with が, the たい form expresses a relatively uncontrollable desire placed upon the subject
when you mark it with を, it makes the entire phrase an object of desire, where that desire can either be even more uncontrollable or volitional instead of uncontrollable in comparison to using が

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162513
what the fuck are you smoking

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162427
>and they both reference the same krashen video, same learning philosophy
That stuff was really popular here for quite a long time. Don't think too hard about it.

[Anonymous No.]

This deck is pretty fun desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162424
Sounds interesting.
It probably makes reviewing the cards less painful, can't tell if it's less effective in return.
But this way you won't know what words you know and which ones you have to review more often, or does he press again on cards he barely remembers?

I also think the language matters as well, I guess especially Japanese with it's kanji profits massively from using anki, I mean one part of learning to read is to be able to differentiate kanji from each other.
I think it might be possible that you don't train that ability by just reading the cards.

I personally put the Japanese example sentence (without furigana) on the front of core, the plan was to be to differentiate the different meanings of words that are written the same + getting a hint if I don't know the word.
But in the end I kinda memorized the example sentences and knew the words by reading the sentence not by learning itself.
Can't tell if I shot myself in the foot by doing this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162771
>But in the end I kinda memorized the example sentences and knew the words by reading the sentence not by learning itself.
I had exact experience. However, learning some n1 grammar helped but I think that\s more because I frequently see in text.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162509
>i guarantee the する guy had an easier time grasping his question from dojg than hjgp
I had an easy time with neither. Found the answer elsewhere.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162771
>does he press again on cards he barely remembers?
He doesn't use Anki. His site (LingQ) has some sort of flashcard feature built into it, but I have no idea how it works. I think some people here have used LingQ so maybe they know.

>especially Japanese with it's kanji
Yeah, true. I think Japanese is is an exception to many methods which would otherwise work just fine when applied to any other language because its writing system is such a headache.

[Anonymous No.]

I hate it when in "serious anime" they start talking in that nonchalant official voice, rattling off clause after clause... Of course, it doesn't help that these type of characters probably also use different vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163063
not exactly sure what you mean

[Anonymous No.]

When does this get easier?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163094
When you start enjoying it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163103

Things you enjoy can still be difficult

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163132
then either it's way too hard or you're not enjoying it enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163094
I'm guessing after around +12k words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163094
When you are fluent

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163166
It never does.

[Anonymous No.]

Does this say "大せるきだもんな。。。”? I'm struggling to make sense of it if so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163258
it says daisuki lmao

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163258
how did you get twice as many kana and twice the length from that

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163274
Damn, I'm really shit at handwriting.
Also I swear I didn't pull だもんな。。。 out of my ass, I cropped the picture a bit too much.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163282
Too much flu medication and far too much cropping.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18161075
Bad argument. Just because you have a lot of time doesn't mean you should spend it on slower methods. If your goal is to be able to write then of course you'll need to practice writing, but if you only want to be able to consume japanese content then writing is unnecessary and slows you down. It helps with recognition of course but your time would be better spent doing vocabulary cards or reading/listening unless you're a brainlet and can't remember how to read kanji without writing them.

>>18161142
Of course it isn't a guarantee, I should have clarified I was only talking about people who aren't really fucking dumb. If you have a working brain you shouldn't write, but if you have a very bad memory then it's probably a good idea.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163094
When you get good

[Anonymous No.]

At what point should I start a mining deck? It feels like my brain is going to blow doing core2k

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163333
I started a mining deck as soon as I finished learning the kana...

also was anyone surprised/laughed at the recording of the old man saying how old his grandson was in Core 2k? i forgot for which number it was, but it was pretty funny old man voice acting

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163333
How many a day? I started with 20 then lowered to 10 because the reviews game ridiculous.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163221
is this your mining deck or have you added them to a preexisting one?

[Anonymous No.]

I've been meaning to start reading reading but I haven't been able to get any of the VNs I wanted to read to work on linux and I can't be bothered to install all the text hooker crap on my windows machine

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163345
25, started about 3-4 weeks ago. I have an okay retention rate but learning all these characters by pure rote is incredibly hard

>>18163344
So you started reading right away, without knowing anything other than kana? That sounds pretty adventurous

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163361
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/KVM
Don't use wine, ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163362
>So you started reading right away, without knowing anything other than kana?
not him
but I did this too, Read Real Japanese Fiction is one of the first things I ever started. it took me like 10 minutes to read the first sentence, good times

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163378
At least pick up a grammar book

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163372
I never got any VM to work with direct3d which is something that many if not most VNs require

I'm not sure if it's a problem with KVM or not though because the last time I ran Windows in a VM I didn't use KVM yet

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163166
I second this.
Around 10k words is when it finally starts to feel lighter.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you mine words exactly?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163412
press R

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163325
>low challenge level: medium skill level
>boredom

>low challenge level: high skill level
>relaxation

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163418
Yeah that's bullshit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163412
anytime you see a kanji or word or anything you don't already know, put it in an Anki deck with its translation/meaning

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163418
Probably the other way around.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163082
Imagine any mecha/military anime and some person giving a report to his commander in a monotone manly voice.

Basically it feels like I only understand cute girls squeeling

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163423
Surely there's an easy way of doing that though? I would hate having to make a new card per new word I mined.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it fine to read 眼鏡 as がんきょう instead of めがね? I've moused it over too much and now I just can't help but read it as がんきょう every time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163452
No

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163441
The automated way is to use a browser extension that integrates with Anki, I think Yomichan?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162330
>Only because they upload them to obscure, small and unreliable temporary hosting services instead of uploading them to something like mega.
I'm talking about pre-mega days newfriend. Prior to the days when imageboard archive hosting was in anyway stable. So much shit in that era got lost.

>Let's be honest, if you wanted to share these and make sure the maintainer knew, you'd post them directly to the op website feedback instead of fucking around for attention.
Instead of making assumptions about me, you should check if your own suggestions are even valid. The guide and cor are maintained by different people as far as i know and the feedback link in cor is fucking dead:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScLLzeHQPqIqD5P95T3FT9A8mhmVIF0YRaTEtkSLchQMzzKJw/viewform

[Anonymous No.]

>>18162330
The reason i was asking for direct contact with the maintainer is so it would get to him directly, instead of leaving it in some thread that he may or may not even read.

If i wanted that epeen, i would put on a trip and have everyone beg me first before i'd share anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163579
>The guide and cor are maintained by different people as far as i know and the feedback link in cor is fucking dead:
The current maintainer added stuff to the mirrored COR directly for a while.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163613
ありがとうアノン様。

[Anonymous No.]

Reminder that the creator of KKLC is against taking an excessive depth of early isolated kanji study.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163893
Also, the mnemonic ripping projects for KKLC keep failing, so it would help to email Kodansha and tell them that you want an ebook. (Say that you'd buy it, of course. We all know that you won't anyway.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163893
>english natives' biggest priority is getting pronunciation right
I'll never find this not funny.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163579
>I'm talking about pre-mega days
Irrelevant to the conversation.

>>18163613
You're fucking pathetic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163978
autism

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163893
How is this retard's book not completely discredited by this post alone?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18164036
Language learning is a gold mine for thise who can sell snake oil. Just see how many retards in /r/learnjapanese pay for random books or courses

[Anonymous No.]

>>18164036
That post does the opposite anon. It proves that he actually understands how people learn Japanese, and doesn't consider his book to be magic space oil that solves all ills like how Heisig considers RTK.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18163893
you know that means he thinks it's helpful but you shouldn't just grind the entire thing straight through while neglecting other areas, right? aka diversify don't just do one thing

[Anonymous No.]

>>18164061
I know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18164067
I replied to the wrong one, I meant to send this >>18164061
to >>18164036