DJT - Daily Japanese Thread #1871

[Anonymous No.]

READ THE GUIDE BEFORE ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS:
http://djtguide.neocities.org/

Alternative guide:
https://neodjt.neocities.org/newguide.html

Previous thread: >>18089896

[Anonymous No.]

Can somebody help me with this? I couldn't understand the line at the end even if my life depended on it.
https://files.catbox.moe/cuw4ez.mp4
All I can hear is that he feels supperaito which makes zero sense to me.

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>>18110467
what happened to the 1st guy in core2k/6k... why did they replace him?

[Anonymous No.]

おにいちゃんがんばって

[Anonymous No.]

>>18110513
自閉症児

[Anonymous No.]

what do you guys watch / listen to while studying? ive been watching star trek while reading manga

[Anonymous No.]

>>18110491
I'm probably completely wrong but I understand the last part as 嘘ってないと
and I think the guy is saying something along the lines ~I feel like it's not a lie~ or ~I get the feeling what they say is true~

just my guess though

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>>18110491
>https://files.catbox.moe/cuw4ez.mp4
「正直、今俺感じたのは、薄っぺらいと思った。（＝正直に言うと、今俺は、「うすっぺらい」と思ったor感じた）」
彼女たちは自分たちのことを「仲が良い」と言っているけれど、それは表面的なものにみえる（＝距離感がある）、という内容。

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>>18110538
gravure blurays

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>>18110560
逆の意味にとってしまっています。
I get the feeling what they say is FALSE~
と、司会の男の人は言っています。

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>>18110467
Wait - which guide should I use? The original or the alternative? Or just both?

[Anonymous No.]

Sorry for asking such a dumb question, but what is the DJT guide about?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18110618
grandma's secret cookie recipes

[Anonymous No.]

>>18110618
Sorry, I am retarded

[Anonymous No.]

To simplify my goal of learning Japanese, could I just set my goal to reach JLPT level N1?

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>>18110613
The "alternative" guide is the better one, but the old guide still has to be posted because it contains links to other DJT-related pages (which you should also read before asking dumb questions).

[Anonymous No.]

>みんな犬ばかりだ

[Anonymous No.]

Did anyone here actually read Hanahira or is it a meme?

Considering Hanahira is supposed to be the easiest VN you can find, why do 3 out of 4 people answer my questions wrong when I ask them something about a sentence I didn't understand?

Hell a Japanese guy I know struggled to explain a weird sentence construct near the end of Hanahira.

Did I get memed?

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>>18110783
It's recommended because it's short and has no narration at all, but it's not actually easy to read.

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>>18109877
>>18109819
>Squatting in case djtguide.neocities.org ever falls of the face of the internet.
>ever falls of the face of the internet.
>falls of the face
>of the face
>of

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>>18110908
normal people don't care about typos anon

[Anonymous No.]

I'm learning about kana, so katakana is used sometimes to spice up text creatively? Interesting.

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>>18110933
ソーデスヨ！

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>>18110783
>why do 3 out of 4 people answer my questions wrong when I ask them something about a sentence I didn't understand
This happens all the time; It's not exclusive to Hanahira. There are lots of well-intentioned beginners out there who think they're being helpful by "answering" questions they don't actually know the answers to. You should treat all answers you get here (or anywhere else on the internet, for that matter) with a degree of scepticism because you never know if the person you're dealing with actually knows what they're talking about.

>Hell a Japanese guy I know struggled to explain a weird sentence construct near the end of Hanahira.
Most people aren't very good at explaining their native languages since their knowledge of it is natural and intuitive, not academic. Do you know enough about English grammar that you would feel confident explaining its rules and how they work to non-natives?

[Anonymous No.]

Neat resource with lots of japanese idioms that are "hard" to translate into english, with english translations.

http://www.panzapanza.com/je/

Though - can someone help with

http://www.panzapanza.com/je/index-s-031.html ?

I have a usage of 素で but "sober" doesn't make sense there

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>>18110945
>Most people aren't very good at explaining their native languages
it's not only that, but pretty often the japanese don't speak english well enough to properly explain what they mean, basically the problematic part just gets lost in translation again but from the other side

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>>18110560
>>18110580
>>18110588
Thanks a lot, I was really wondering about the と as well, guess he just ate up that 思.

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In the DJT guide:
>The simplest syllable in Japanese consists of a single "mora", even if it takes two kana to spell it. A mora is like a syllable, but because Japanese has true long vowels, the mora is limited to only short syllables. Haikus contain 5-7-5 morae, not 5-7-5 syllables. とうきょう is five kana, four morae, and two syllables. と・う・き・ょ・う -> と・う・きょ・う -> とう・きょう.
I'm a bit confused by this, what exactly is a "single mora"?

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>>18111009
A single mora is what the simplest kind of syllable in Japanese consists of.

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>>18111013
Could you give an example of a single mora?

Is a single mora something like an "aah" sound?

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>>18111022
と is a single mora
とう is two morae
きょ is a single mora

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>>18111022
>In the hiragana spelling, the three morae of Ni-ho-n are represented by three characters (にほん), and the four morae of Ni-p-po-n need four characters to be written out as にっぽん.

[Anonymous No.]

Someone should cut out the part in lets learn japanese where they teach the kana. It explains morae in a way that even mouthbreathing retards can understand.

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黒人男優: black actor, porn actor, both?

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>>18111063
based on pronunciation
the one that now means "black" no longer means "porn" except in archaic contexts

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>>18111069
Yeah, jisho said it was an archaism too. Must've missed that. Thanks.

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>>18111027
と (to) being a single mora, and とう (tou / to~) is easy to understand, but why is きょ a single mora? Isn't it two different syllables (kiyo) that can be on their own?

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>>18111104
No, きょ is the diphthong kyo

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>>18111009
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mora_%28linguistics%29#Japanese
http://www.imabi.net/pronunciation.htm
http://www.imabi.net/pronunciationii.htm

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>>18111063
Generally 男優 means porn actors. 俳優 is used for male actors.

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>>18110945
>sceptism
like a scepter

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>>18111141
>男優
I knew that meant porn actor. I had to look up the other word and saw it could also mean geisha or night life or whatever you want to call it, so I was wondering if it wasn't some weird way of reinforcing that the person was a porn actor.

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>>18111145

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>>18111127
Thanks for this, I'm understanding now.

For the record: the English word two, is its syllabic structure V, or C?

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>>18111209
Two is CV

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>>18111222
Thanks.

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>>18111063
Isn't 玄人 the preferred spelling nowadays? I've encountered 黒人 before, but that was in a book published in 1906.

[Anonymous No.]

Do Ja-pa-nesey sou-und li-ke thi-is whe-en spea-king?

[Anonymous No.]

i hate listening!

[Anonymous No.]

is there RTK 1 6th edition with 2136 kanji in PDF?

all I see is 5th ed with 2042

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>>18111353
Here's a friendly tip coming from someone who finished RTK 1. You should only do the first 500 or so kanji. After that your time would be better spent on learning vocab.

This would teach you to ‘see’ kanji, i.e. understand how they comprise different radicals etc. Do note that the radical on the right side is often entirely phonetic, and carries no meaning.

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>>18111419
But I have already finished the 2042 kanji.

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Do sports commentators speak Japanese in a particularly different manner to normal? I've been watching プロレス for listening practice, and I want to make sure I'm not picking up any weird habits.

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>>18111353
OK I've found this supplement, which should be sufficient if you already have earlier editions of RTK 1: https://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/en/files/2012/12/RK1-Supplement.pdf

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>>18111436

all sports commentators sound weird dude

[Anonymous No.]

How hard would it be to play a game like Ys in Japanese? I'm focusing on reading manga and visual novels right now but I'd like to move onto videogames sometime.

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how important is writing kanji by hand actually? Do I seriously have to practice stroke order and writing it out on a piece of paper?

I just don't see myself writing Kanji in real life ever.

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>>18111515
>go to japan
>find something you wanted to see
>gon write down the address
>phone died

what do?

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>>18111515
only if you want to work in japan

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How well does Duolingo work? I want to become advanced in Japanese but am a beginner now, so I'm contemplating on using DuoLingo.

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>>18111525
Ok, that's a fair point but thats something that can be solved easily by being prepared. I also always bring a portable battery charger.

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>>18111525
copy it like you would a drawing?

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>>18111493
I don't know about Ys in particular, but most JRPGs are pretty simple once you get the basic fantasy/video game vocab and speech patterns down. One thing that might give you trouble if you intend to play older titles is the resolution.

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What's the point of adding an o- to words? I heard that it's supposed to make the word sound more respectful or polite, but why would you care about that when you are using words like "Obento"?

And what's the deal with words like Oshiri or Omanko? As far as I know, Manko is a very vulgar word that you'd never use in a formal context. What's the point of adding that o- when it's still a vulgar word?

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>>18111515
its low on the ladder but it makes remembering and learning the kanji much much eachother so it's multiple skills in one being trained really. Radical practice/recognition, kanji writing ability, better penmenship, and just rote memorization.

If you can somehow get by without these then you can probably opt out, unless you plan on living in nipland or something.

I also want to be able to shitpost irl with Japanese no one can read.

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>>18111515
it's a lot easier to remember kanji/radicals you've written before
the more work it takes the more your brain is compartmentalizing it

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>>18111493
If you can play an average VN without the use of a texthooker, feel free to go into video games. Unless it's a super text heavy game, you'll be reading a lot less anyway so it should technically be easier if you've built up a good amount of vocabulary.

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>>18111576
In my experience, games still use a lot of vocabulary that other things hardly ever use, but after a few weeks of playing games you'll have most of it down again.

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Anons, I... finished Genki II today

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>>18111604
How long did it take you to finish Genki II?

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>>18111560
What kind of imouto would be disrespectful when giving her oniisama his lunch?

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>>18111556
> One thing that might give you trouble if you intend to play older titles is the resolution.
Holy moley, this brought me so much suffering.

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>>18111688
>>18111556
Playing a jap game on the 3DS gave me a headache. I literally have no idea how japs can read dense kanji with such a low resolution.

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>>18111611
Realistically it should have taken me about 3 months. I was at chapter 19 in September, but I started a new job around then and ended up taking a month or two off.

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Anybody reading Flyable Heart? Before this I've only read a bunch of manga and a volume of キノの旅 and I think I might have severely underestimated the length.

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>>18111722
It's about 20+ hours if you can read Japanese at a good pace. If not, you're going to be reading for a while. I can guarantee that it will take you much longer than a volume of Kino or a bunch of manga.

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How do I search for lyrics in japanese?

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>>18111560
I can't remember why exactly it is, but with certain words (you mentioned some examples yourself, and another one would be お金) the お prefix has essentially become part of those words in Japanese people's minds to the point where it feels more natural to use them with the お prefix than without, regardless of the formal or informal context of the situation.

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>>18111766
this is particularly true when the word without the お is homophonous with a different very common word that rarely takes お

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>>18111764
song name 歌詞

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How do you guys deal with making mining cards for Anki? The last time I read something was last summer, and I always tried to stop reading when I got around 50 new words, but I've got a lot of free time right now and I want to keep reading more. Yesterday I had a list of about 160 words, and I cut it down to 120, but I even if I do 40 new cards a day, any new words I come across today might not get seen until 4 days from now, and eventually I won't get the word in Anki until I've already forgotten I'd read it. These all seem like common words though, and I feel like it's a waste to just ignore them.

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>>18111771
What's the kana for this?

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>>18111815
かしことば is probably the correct one

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>>18111797
I mine the first 20 new words that I see, then just read without mining for the rest of the day. The theory goes that if any of the new words that I didn't mine today were important, I will have an opportunity to mine them again soon enough, and I may even end up learning them through pure exposure without ever needing to mine them anyway if they're especially common.

I think having a huge backlog of cards is a bad idea since you will forget where they came from (so they will no longer feel meaningful to you) and you may end up having already learned some of them through reading and listening alone by the time they eventually come up in your deck (which could be weeks, months, or maybe even years away).

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>>18111850
ありがとう

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>>18111888
Don't just blindly believe people. He's wrong.

かしことば - words which are used primarily in songs and rarely used elsewhere
かし - the words used in a song (i.e. the lyrics of a song)

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>>18111888
Don't just blindly believe people. He's wrong.

うたことば - words which are used primarily in songs and rarely used elsewhere
かし - the words used in a song (i.e. the lyrics of a song)


かしことば is not even a reading for that word.

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>>18111515
This isn't much of a point, but I guarantee that your friends and family will ask you to write them something in Japanese once they hear that you're learning. You're going to look like a dunce if you can't write any kanji. Of course, I doubt they'll be able to differentiate between kanji and kana anyway.

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One day I hope to learn 書道.

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>>18111475
But weird in a way it'll hurt my listening and later on, production?

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>>18112025
Just get shitfaced like Namasensei and scribble out some kanji. It's basically the same.

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>>18112025
looks like some spaz wrote it 2bh
it's a bit like graffiti, they may look well within their circlejerk culture, but everyone else just sees unreadable scribbly shit

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>>18112025
書道 is one of my favorite kanji to write. I love the left radical on 道 and how it contrasts with the angles of 書.

[Anonymous No.]

Guys Ive been studying Japanese on and off for a couple of years. I feel like I its inside of me and wont come out.. What do I do?

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>>18112216
>I feel like I its inside of me and wont come out.. What do I do?
become aware where you actually stand

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>>18111701
> I literally have no idea how japs can read dense kanji with such a low resolution.
It's not such a problem once you read at normal speed and are well-versed in Japanese enough to automatically fill in the right words just from how the rest of the sentence reads and how the kanji roughly look. But boy it's kind of crap when you are not at that level yet.

[Anonymous No.]

just started learning the Kanjis and its so different from the Kanas in terms of complexity. So far, i'm only getting by translating the Kanjis to Hiragana, is this normal?

eg. from Tae Kim's guide: 中学校 【ちゅうがっこう】

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>>18112283
Why are you even comparing kanji to the kana? Kana is so trivial it takes a fucking week to learn it.

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>>18112283
it sounds like as if you're trying to learn the readings by individual kanji study
you learn the kanji meanings, then just words, readings follow automatically over time

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112263
im a lowly dog retard

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112328
im going to rape the universe to get what is mine, i dont care if people die I WILL LEARN JAPANESE

[Anonymous No.]

Will Japanese porn help me with learning Japanese?

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>>18112390
yes, it will teach you japanese mannerisms

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112390
Absolutely. No other resource has helped me more than exhentai.

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>>18112402
i can attest, porn was 90% of my input for a long time and my japanese still improved faster than if i was taking college classes

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>>18112390
It will make you realize how cringy Japanese actually is when you think about it.

When girls in porn scream "AAAAAAAHH KIMOCHIIIIIII", they are actually saying "OH FEEEEELING FEEEEELING". It's retarded.

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>>18112390
A lot, at least until upper-intermediate level.
It works for other languages as well. I am learning Chinese with exhentai and a grammar guide and I am making good steady progress

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>>18112438
It's actually kimochi ii

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>>18112402
>>18112416
>>18112453
I am actually not sure whether you guys are sarcastic. But thinking about it, porn mangas do have a fair bit of text in them and shouldn't be complex al all. Makes the learning progress fun too!

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I could use a little bit of help understanding the semantics of a sentence if that's okay.

It's the morning after a drunken night and one of the characters is remembering the other character saying that they 'liked' them.

Character 1: Basically "Oh shit, you remember that?"
Character 2: "Pretty much", then そんで。。。告白しねーのかよ, followed by "And to think I waited this long for such a half-assed confession..."

Is Character 2 asking if character 1 really likes them (after they're acting all weird), or are they saying they didn't want to confess? Or is it something else?

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>>18112481
learning is very sexual, you have to fuck text books into submission

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112481
I didn't answer before but reading on exhentai is an actually good exercise, mostly because I'm actually interested in what I'm reading

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112390
You'll learn to speak like a woman.

[Anonymous No.]

Hey DJT I got 2 questions.
1.Pic related, thats the option to reset a cards schedule right?

2.I want to reset my progress for core and start anew, I was very busy with other stuff over the last couple of months and skipped many days or cheated on my reviews, so while I "theoretically" finished core, I only really know the first half and forgot/never learned the second half.
Should I do it? The thing is it went out of control, one day I know 80% of the words but on the other it's only like 20%.

I really think that's the thing I should do, cause I know the words that I learned "serious" by heart, I can recognize them even in shitty handwriting etc. and I think that's necessary to burn them into your head if you want to progress.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18111145
sceptism is the the disbelief that scepters ever even existed, or were just a fictitious weapon added to video games to describe a 'holy club'

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>>18112503
>what does this sentence mean?
>here's my shitty translations without the original text

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>>18112503
Maybe posting the full thing in japanese would be more helpful.

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>>18112390
Sure but you will end up seeing normal words and the first thing that comes to mind is the usage those words have in porn

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112674
>>18112686
I did that so people wouldn't think I was trying to get a paragraph of translation spoonfed to me while also providing context. Here's everything:

Character 1: うそでしょ！？こ。。。声に出てた！？ていうか記憶あるんですね
Character 2: 多少。。。そんで。。。告白しねーのかよ俺ずーっと待ってたんだけどもういい加減言わねーなら俺から言うぞ

[Anonymous No.]

Why is this last card preventing me from finishing my deck for the day? Maximum reviews per day is set to 9999

[Anonymous No.]

I think I understand morae now.
Basically, since Japanese isn't English, they don't categorize their language in "letters" or "syllables".
Instead of letters there syllabaries, and instead of syllables you have morae.
One mora could be seen as one "beat / clap".
So a random character like "タ" is one mora, as you say it in one "beat".
A random word like かえる (frog) is 3 morae, ka/e/ru.
In katakana, there are also syllabaries (letters) that extend a sound. So if you want to extend "Ka (か)" to "Kaaaaa", you don't put in "かかかか" as that would be kakakaka. Instead you put か and add a y-glide that corresponds with the sound. So to extend the a-sound in か, you put かーーー. These all are considered morae and thus also have their own "beat".
In hiragana, you just add another vowel in the same column right after the kana you want to extent.


I hope I'm right about this.

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>>18112747
Nevermind, it let me do it after clicking study now like a dozen times. Weird.

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>>18110676
>The "alternative" guide is the better one
No it's not.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112762
Not sure if I am alone with this but during this year anki crashed 3 times on me. So I guess anki still has some flawes.

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>>18112783
it is

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>>18110538
You need to be listening to Japanese, unless you're watching Star Trek dubbed. Also which series?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112762
Look into what your "learn ahead limit" does in the Anki manual and you will understand.

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>>18112751
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_(Japanese_prosody)
tl;dr one hiragana character = mora, example: にっぽん (日本) = 4 on, but 2 syllables.

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>>18112789
It's an illegitimate poorly written piece which is pointlessly opinionated and biased. Entirely suitable to this spin-off thread but nothing to do with djt.

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>>18112807
i'm sorry that your chosen method of studying japanese is wrong

[Anonymous No.]

When do I have to use 子 instead of 子供?

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>>18112807
>It's an illegitimate poorly written piece which is pointlessly opinionated and biased.
People only get this mad about things that prove them wrong. Time to dig in to the new guide.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112809
>>18112873
you're the sakubi autist, aren't you

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>>18112889
yes anon everything you don't like is caused by the sakubi autist

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>>18112865
In compounds or referring to a girl.

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>>18111949
What's the real answer then?

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>>18112908
it can refer to a boy too

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>>18112901
it's horribly written, Sakubi gets mentioned two times, nobody was asking for it, suddenly it gets pushed in your face (most likely by a samefag)
so yes, this pattern seems awfully familiar to me

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112921
it's written better than the old guide
the old guide is full of ESLisms

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112930
That's funny, because the person complaining seems to be German.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112933
So what? An ESL doesn't want ESLism from someone who has a different mothertongue.

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>>18112948
dude if you're not a native speaker you don't really have a place to talk about writing quality, sorry

[Anonymous No.]

>>18110467
>焦
>composed of radicals 灬 and 隹 meaning fire and small bird respectively
>putting a fire under a small birds cage makes it hurry

what the fuck is wrong with Japanese people

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>>18112961
the primary meaning is burn/scorch
stop using bad learning resources

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112955
I'm not a native speaker but I speak English fluently enough to recognize that your shitposting makes this general quite a bit worse.

[Anonymous No.]

I recently started learning core 2k with anki, and guessing some words feels really cheap and inefficient. Since they're grouped thematically, even if I wouldn't guess for the life of me what that certain kanji is in any other situation, I can just deduce it's meaning based on what came before it in the session. Has anybody else had this sort of problem?

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>>18112971
produce a twenty sentence paragraph with lots of grammatical complications and no errors

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>>18112955
this guy here is right >>18112807
the "new guide" reads like some autist shoving in his point of view in everyone's face and tells you what you have to do as if there was only a single way of learning

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>>18112985
that's because there is only a single way of learning
everyone learns language the same way
the new guide is still bad but the old guide is way, way worse
being "impartial" and "unopinionated" is cancerous. some things are simply wrong. they have to be presented as wrong.

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>>18112969
Does it or does it not mean hurry, true or false?

autist

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113010
it does not mean hurry

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113019
Wrong.

焦る

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>>18113035
that's a word, not a kanji

it also doesn't mean hurry

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113046

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>>18113046
>http://jisho.org/search/%E7%84%A6
>char, hurry, impatient, irritate, burn, scorch, singe

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113056
>>18113057
jmdict is wrong

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113060
>>18113046
>早くしなければならないと思っていらだつ。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113060
if you say so

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112697
awesome

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>>18113063
can you even read japanese or are you just skimming over that definition with rikai and guessing what it means

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113063
>To lose one's patience thinking that one must hurry.

[Anonymous No.]

Found an example sentence in the core6k deck that is bothering me.
上り
これは上り電車です.
"This is the train going downtown." Ignoring the fact the card doesn't mention the word can be used like this very well, would a more accurate translation be "This is the [Northbound/downtown] train"?

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>>18113086
>Northbound
No. The direction toward Tokyo is up, away from Tokyo is down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112726
My interpretation based on the context you gave:
>告白しねーのかよ
"Are you not going to confess (i.e. acknowledge what you said last night)?"
>俺ずーっと待ってたん
(I was thinking as) I waited and waited
>だけどもういい加減
But I couldn't stand it any more
>言わねーなら俺から言うぞ
If you're not gonna bring it up, I will (I thought)

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>>18113071
I made a mistake here. I always included the "being in a hurry" within the definition of 焦る while reading but it seems to be the mental state before that action takes places. Gotta watch out next time.

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>>18113120
Jisho says "northward" and "up-train" are definitions so I thought it might be northbound/ward or downtown depending on context. Admittedly I don't know much about train terminology to start with.

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>>18113145
it happens to all of us

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>>18113153
Here is a more complete answer:
>In Japan, railway directions are referred to as "up" (上り nobori) and "down" (下り kudari), and these terms are widely employed in timetables[3] and station announcements for the travelling public. For JR Group trains, trains going towards the capital Tokyo are "up" trains, while those going away from the capital are "down" trains. For private railway operators, the designation of "up" or "down" (if at all) usually relies on where the company is headquartered as "up".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rail_directions

[Anonymous No.]

thoughts on google translate for pronunciation? When I see words that i'm not 100% sure on pronunciation, i often use google translate for the voice feature.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113323
Install Yomichan. It has native recordings for most words from jpod101.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113323
do you mean because of some silent Is and Us?
otherwise the pronunciation is a straight forward as it gets

[Anonymous No.]

>>18111671
I think you mean oimouto giving her oniisama his olunch.

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>>18111560
>Manko is a very vulgar word that you'd never use in a formal context. What's the point of adding that o- when it's still a vulgar word?
because it's not about the word itself but the relation you have to the other person

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>>18113336
any recommend dictionaries? or is any fine?

[Anonymous No.]

well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113473
ねれあおろそ

[Anonymous No.]

Do you suspend new cards when you're sick?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113473
するぬむ
め

[Anonymous No.]

Guys, I went through the whole RTK1, but at 1/4 of the book I dropped writing the kanji physically out (thought I didn't need to know how to write them + it was faster w/o it).
What's the best way to "restore" this shit? Should I just study how the radicals are written?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113494
1/4 is more than enough

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113473
qgp
lji
uv

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113485
physically sick or sick of reviewing?
neither is a reason to suspend cards BTW

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113503
>physically sick

wouldn't your retention go to shit if you're feverish and feel like shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113499
I don't remember anything, I just have vague idea how the strokes should go. When I started I was writing whole rows of the kanji that I learned and then read in the book itself it was retarded, so I started writing the symbols just once and then finally dropped them altogether and haven't written anything since then nor have I given any thought to stroke order.

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>>18113512
Do you mean all cards or just new ones though? If I was super sick I would just review the 'old stuff' and not put on any new cards - you won't be harmed by not going through new stuff, but it'll hurt you to neglect the stuff that's already there.

Sickness you're talking about is rarity so I wouldn't even think about such scenarios. Do you regularly get sick or what's wrong with you? I would have to be sick to the point of going to hospital to not be able to use my computer for an hour or two.

[Anonymous No.]

My main problem right now is that I don't have a clear grasp of what I need to do to learn Japanese. I don't know what I don't know, if you will.

How can I find that clarity, to see what exactly I need to learn? How do I know what goals to set, so I can create a plan for reaching them?

I get that there are many different ways for learning Japanese. But in the end, our goal of being able to speak Japanese fluently is the same. If I could just know what my exact goals are, instead of a vague/broad "be good at Japanese", it'll give me a lot more direction. Is there anywhere some kind of checklist?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18110467
What's the best book to learn moonrunes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113473
われね
ンソツシ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113768
A dictionary

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113786
シツソン is easy. You can easily see whether he has one or two eyes.
If he has two eyes, you can easily see if he's looking up or looking at you.
If he has one eye, you can easily see if he has his left eye open or his right eye open.

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>>18113657
jcat also read more

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>>18113798
Yeah, but the challenged author of that VN might think otherwise.

[Anonymous No.]

Handwriting always terrifies me, but tonight I decided to stop being a bitch, bust out the old drawing tablet, pool a few resources together and figure out what the hell it says.

I'm 99% sure I majorly fucked up, but hey, I tried. Can someone please help correct the major fuckups?

京犬活で上京するたび
屋根衷部屋で宅飲みする

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>>18113786
Wouldn't シッツォン be better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113810
actual spoiler for that game universe's lore it's about how the animal people have slightly lower mental capacity than humans

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113824
I would like to start having beautiful handwritten sentences in Japanese, but then I remembered that my shit English handwriting, and that it will become shit Japanese handwriting.

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>>18113830
Does that even mean something? Shit's on?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113848
I though the original said "Shit son".

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>>18113842
I hand-write my new cards every day to help get used to stroke order and I'm already starting to get lazy with my scribbles. Funny enough, it's made my English handwriting a bit nicer as I end up thinking about some poor Japanese person trying to make out my chicken scratch.

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>>18113852
Yeah, backwards. I typed them in random order.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112652
You finished core and you want to do it again? Are you fucking reading yet? Just mine, including any word you already encountered in core but feel you need more practice on.

[Anonymous No.]

What type of people learn Japanese the quickest?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113887
The natives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113887
Native Chinese speakers.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113887
autist weebs

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113908
>weebs
>ever learning japanese
They are notoriously bad at it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113887
AJATTers aka neets

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113915
dostedt

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113473
whats this game?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113932
utawarerumono 2

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113929
I think you're confused

[Anonymous No.]

can somebody halp

西洋人は、東部人の夜を午後に呼びます。
東の男は西洋人の日を呼んでいます：夜。

一人の人が「技術！
別の人が言う： "魂！"

魂にはテクニックがあり、魂はテクニックです。

western man calls the eastern man's night: daytime.
eastern man calls the western man's day: nightime.

One man says "technique!"
Another man says "Soul!"

There is a technique to the soul, and soul to a technique.

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>>18113893
This
and yet they still hardsub everything, lazy fucks

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113555
I thought I felt a cold coming on but I seem to be okay. historically when I'd get sick I'd be fucking miserable/a zombie because I can't take decongestant

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[Anonymous No.]

>>18113956
Westerners call easterner's night afternoon

There's a technique to the soul, and the soul is a technique.

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>>18114006

i know i wrote it originally in english
just checking if it needs additional editing
b/c I just used google translate

[Anonymous No.]

Is Tae Kim's complete guide really bad?

[Anonymous No.]

can someone tell me the logic behind 午後 and 午前, and why not a 午晩?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114006
Then you didn't get your point across about there being soul to a technique.
>>18114112
Can you tell me your logic behind 午晩?

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>>18114125
midnight？

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>>18113893
I don't know enough to back this, and welcome counterpoints, but I get the impression that this is only true if you're talking about basic comprehension, particularly of written language.
Kind of the same way that native speakers of English have a quick start in Spanish, but that doesn't mean that they're likely to be highly fluent, it just means that they have a head-start with the overlapping bits before they hit the wall of grammar and either power through like everyone else, or give up entirely now that the ease is gone. Except I'd assume this applies more strongly to Chinese -> Japanese.
In fact, I'd imagine that the easy start makes the wall hit harder and actually increases the chance of giving up, while if there's less overlap with your native language, you know more of what you're getting into from the start.

[Anonymous No.]

Do any of you guys have cool anki plugins that you would recommend?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114111
well it's incomplete for a start.

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>>18114111
not even normal bad

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114125

thanks i ll just leave it in english

i need it for a landscape painting i'm calling
"Eastern Sun, Western Night"

is 東の太陽、西の夜 correct at least? forget the bloated soul technique shit

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114134
Go means noon, you're literally saying noon night.

[Anonymous No.]

What are this general's memes?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114145
zoom in function

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>>18114111
Honestly it just seems to be a reorganized version of his grammar guide with less content. I'd stick with the grammar guide.

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>>18114160
East's sun, west's midnight. I'm not fluent enough to tell you whether it sounds like art, but it looks very pretentious to me.

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>>18114112
>午後 and 午前
Kanji-based shitty breakdown: "noon-after" and "noon-before".
>午晩
"noon-evening"?
>>18114134
You're looking for 正午, "correct-noon" or maybe "just-noon", and 夜中, "night-middle". It's a fair question to ask why these differ. You're probably not going to get an answer.

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>>18114164
>>18114230
thank you desu

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>>18113798
Who the hell is "he"?

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>>18114327
Satan, manifesting himself in the form of japanese written language.

[Anonymous No.]

Is it a bad idea to learn Japanese without using Anki? I'd rather write that shit myself than deal with a fucking computer program. I hate using one of those to learn anything.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113842
I have nice english handwriting and atrocious japanese because the rules are so different (lifting the pen, horizontal before vertical, no letter joining). Wouldn't say one necessarily makes you bad at the other

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114368
You can easily just get a bunch of cards you can flip and write on both sides instead of using Anki.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114368
are you 80 years old?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114368
Sure you can, it'll just take far longer.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114368
Sure senpai just handicap yourself before you even have any idea of the scale of the task

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114368
Probably. Writing until you remember is not a good strategy. You can accomplish pretty similar to Anki's scheduling with flashcards in separate boxes each assigned a different frequency of review, but after kana you're going to be dealing with thousands of cards in at least ten buckets. You'll likely appreciate the benefit of learning to use a computer in the long run. If it's a gut reaction to learning software, this isn't a shitty all-in-one "course", it's a useful program that people who are not tech illiterate genuinely recommend because it has relatively few flaws.

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>>18114434
I'm not a tech illiterate 80 year old man, it's just that something about Anki rubs me the wrong way. I'm probably wrong, but the whole "spaced repetition" thing sounds like a load of bullshit for some reason. Is it really the best way to remember kanji and vocabulary or is it just the most accessible method for normies with average IQ and little free time?

If you say it's good, I guess I'll try it. Sounds like I won't get anywhere without it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114533
Spaced repetition is definitely legit. You don't have to use it if you don't want to, but it does help a lot in the beginning.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113887
Koreans.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114533
>I'm probably wrong, but the whole "spaced repetition" thing sounds like a load of bullshit for some reason
Theres a multi billion dollar advertising industry that relies on it ever day.

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>>18114533
>I'm probably wrong, but the whole "spaced repetition" thing sounds like a load of bullshit for some reason.
There are studies on it, which is more than can be said for other methods, and you can find a considerable number of posts in /djt/ (and elsewhere) of how starting it made a positive difference, and stopping it made a negative difference.

>Is it really the best way to remember kanji and vocabulary
Actual reading material is the best way, and Anki is an incredibly effective supplement to give yourself more exposure, especially to the words that you're not going to be running into very often. Which is why it's also very frequently said to start mining as soon as possible rather than using vocabulary lists by frequency. Encounter and look up the words in some context, and use Anki reviews to give yourself well-scheduled repeat exposure to remember what you just taught yourself.

You can make progress without SRS, and some people do, but it is not recommended, especially early on.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114700
Not the 80 y/o but never considered that they use spaced repetition - does that generally include increasing the length of repetition (to save money) ?

[Anonymous No.]

Are there any actually examples of people who have learned Japanese and or Mandarin without studying the characters independently. Even Steve Kaufman used flashcards

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114768
plenty of nip and chink babies learn japanese and mandarin without even knowing how to write, and later on they learn how to write it too

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114799
Let me be more clear.
Are there any examples of adults learning how to speak, read and write Japanese and or Mandarin fluently without studying the han characters themselves, as the new guide tells people to do..

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>>18114768
I have a friend who is N1, did a year of immersion study in japan, and is currently in a master's program to become a translator and this person didn't use flashcards.

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>>18114533
Just to add, when I said "people who are not tech illiterate genuinely recommend", I meant people who are harder to please than the average person who is easily sold on worthless apps. Wasn't a further dig at you, but further defense of Anki. I can definitely understand skepticism in that regard.

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>>18114824
So he moved to Japan and studied the language there and he never did any kind of independent Kanji study.? He doesn't perhaps have some kind of online presence like a youtube channel or so. I'm not doubting you I just have yet to find an example of somebody attaining fluency in the langauge without studying Kanji. If it is possible with immersion that makes sense

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>>18114824
How long has he been studying overall, and how heavily has he studied per day? No flashcards at all sounds like a shitload of work.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114862
You obviously have to study kanji if you want to learn how to read and write them. Spoken side can be learnt without kanji study

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114907
>You obviously have to study kanji if you want to learn how to read and write them
I agree, but the new guide doesn't. I'm looking for any examples to substantiate the value of ignoring studying the kanji

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>>18114918
I didn't see anything in the guide that isn't already being said here all the time. Studying kanji as the kanji themselves instead of as a part of different words is not too useful for most people. If you are having trouble remembering specific kanji or you are mixing up two similiar kanji it's a good idea to study those more in-depth.

[Anonymous No.]

Do you guys ever post pronunciation samples in the thread? Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

[Anonymous No.]

What's your opinion on George Trombley? Some people adore him and other say he's a con artist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115078
Show me yours and I'll show you mine.

[Anonymous No.]

Where can I download japanese pdfs and ebooks. I'm looking specifically for 魔女の宅急便。 But I can't find it in the COR

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115158
I asked first. ツ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115164
ノ、ユ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18111722
Can I ask you to link where you downloaded it from? The torrent I got from Nyaa doesn't work for whatever reason.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115078
>asking for pronunciation from non-natives
why don't you just listen to rap if you want your ears to bleed

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115078
kill yourself

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115286
Install Windows 7

[Anonymous No.]

>>18114533
What would be a high IQ method, in your opinion? Post-ironic tantric hypnotism?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18111701
I just spent around 10 minutes staring at this until it finally occurred to me that it says 鉄のかたまり... it does say 鉄のかたまり, r-r-right?
;_;

[Anonymous No.]

why アレクサンダー・ハミルトン and not ハミルトンアレクサンダー？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115517
lol, gay name dude

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115517
Japan respects and prefers Western name order for Western names.
I wish they would do the same for their own names instead of trying to blend in, because when it's not obvious and I read a Japanese name in English writing, I have no fucking clue if the name is reversed or not. Maybe that's something that will get better with my own exposure to names and familiarity with given and family names.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113887
fucking Koreans

[Anonymous No.]

What is the optimal time to study? I keep getting the same words wrong over and over again, day after day and I can't figure out how to move forward. I either can't learn Japanese or my studying is just trash.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115740
Things I would do if I were repeatedly getting a word wrong over a week

-look up the kanji and find other compounds that share the same reading
-write out the word 10-20 times
-find example sentences
-make a mnemonic to link the meaning/reading to the characters

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115769
Random anon here -- that's really good advice.
I especially find
>-look up the kanji and find other compounds that share the same reading
>-find example sentences
to be really helpful when I get stuck on a word.
I hope you have a happy new year, anon :3

[Anonymous No.]

>>18111722
This should give you a general idea of how long it is based on where you are now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115845
I don't get it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115861
there isn't any way to make it simpler unless we resort to grunts and pointing

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

としこしそば

うつ？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115879
no that chart makes no sense

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115954
The length of the yellowish bars corresponds to the approximate amount of text between the separators which are labelled with various choices or landmarks such as H-scenes. I used it when I was going through flyable heart myself and it seemed pretty accurate, how does it not make sense?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115502
あすとろん

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115999
>あすとろん
「あすとろん」の意味は？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116067
Nevermind.
>アストロン (Astron)とは、古いギリシア語で「星」の意味。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115994
for starters theyre not all in a row and color to make up 100% of the text, there's no bottom axis to indicate what the fuck the length actually represents. how was this information even collected?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116067
まほう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116107
You must really know your DQ. I didn't even bother to screencap the text before that. The spell names are over my head and I'm not even going to bother learning them.
http://dragonquest.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_%26_Abilities

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116097
You are a piece of shit, next time I post anything I'll make sure it's backed by a peer-reviewed journal and I'll cite all my sources. Go fuck yourself.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116097
Okay, I've provided the changes you requested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116182
The numbers Mason, what do they mean!?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113824
就活で上京するたび
屋根裏部屋で宅飲みする

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116182

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116195
Wordiness in relation to the common benchmark.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116127
でもみじかくない

えいごのspellnameはながいとおもう

[Anonymous No.]

I'm trying to unpack the Japanese in the lyrics to TRUST HEART (Symphogear GX insert song) and there's two parts that I'm having a little trouble with, the second part of the first line and the first part of the chorus.

>鉛玉の大バーゲン
>馬鹿に付けるナンチャラはねえ
I'm not really able to parse this second line.

>傷ごとエグって　涙を誤魔化して
>生きた背中でも(Trust heart)
>支える事　笑い合う事　上手ク出来ルンデスカ?
Is 背中 here standing in for the self, or is there some other meaning to this?

Lyrics: http://www.kasi-time.com/item-76882.html
MAD w/ song: http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm28646014

[Anonymous No.]

Hey, Isn't it smarter to do 100 new cards on the first day and no new cards for the next 4 days, rather than 20 cards over 5 days? What do you think?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116415
すごーい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116415
try both and get back to us

enjoy the 6 hours study sessions for the first days

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116476
>6 hours study sessions
I think you're projecting your own deficits on everyone else here. 100 new cards wouldn't take longer than an hour maximum.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116491
hahahaha, prove it buddy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116415
It's a bad idea because you're going to have irregular study session lengths.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116198
That's perfect, thank you so much.

[Anonymous No.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdWNw7on15E

[Anonymous No.]

what app do you use to read light novels which come in "images" format, like a folder full of images.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116550
an image viewer

[Anonymous No.]

I live in japan, since I got a scholarship to do my undergraduate degree here. Started japanese when this thread was at around 900? came back because why not, also just found out this is not on /a/ anymore. Why did they move it here?

Anyways I thought I could help some people that have questions about how to actually learn to speak proper, used everyday japanese. Since I socialize almost everyday with japanese people and my conversational japanese is really high level (I can also read no problem but writing with pen and paper is hell)
Also starting compsci fully in japanese next year, fuck me I`ll get fucked.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116562
How do you start learning to be conversational? I want to start talking to random people online but I'm afraid that there would be too many awkward pauses as I try to think of what to say.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116495
Broke my routine just for you asshole.

[Anonymous No.]

>start kanji about a week ago via anki
>like (suki) comes up for the first time and I learn it
>see suki later in that session with the ookii kanji in front
>s-surly this must be daisuki, r-right?
>it actually is
>this is actually the second (but first actual) time I've used logic to 'guess' a word before I'd seen it
is this what learning feels like?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116589
What's your study method?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116597
I finished and upkeep a KKLC Kanji production deck. Otherwise just read and watch anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116600
Thanks, you were right. I take about 2 hours a day to review and write. with only 25+-ish new words a day if I don't procrastinate.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116579
First of all about my study methods, I was an ankibot for the first 4-5 months, then I downloaded an app called "hellotalk" and I just started using that every day. DONT BE AFRAID OF MAKING MISTAKES, people who wait too much to use their actual language skills because they dont want to be embarrassed are wasting so much time. Theyll say its counter productive but, trust me I speak 5 languages. I think its the best way to learn.
I was really shy aswell at first, but I just forced myself through it, and also make SURE you ask the other person to correct you on your stupid mistakes.

Basically learn from your mistakes, thats how I learned most of my languages.

anki helps for drilling kanji though.

[Anonymous No.]

どいなかの

けもフレくじ￥６４０が

ぜんぜんうれてない

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116614
When you use hellotalk do you use a special microphone? Also what are good things to know beforehand so you can say it fluently (ex. what you do for a living, hobbies, etc.)

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116622

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116609
You write words? What a waste of time. I did Kanji production so I would not mix any Kanji up and could identify them at a glance. This directly translates to reading and review speed. You only should write words if you want to write fully fledged Japanese on paper, but I wonder if that is actually your goal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116650
これがうれない

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116634
Why would I use a special mic? I just do a phonecall, either that or send voice messages.

About things to know beforehand, as a beginner, everyone literally says the same shit. Even them, because I can assure you their english is shit.
example conversation: (i dont usually use keigo or masu desu but that depends on you)
こんにちは～名無しさんと言います、よろしくお願いします！
ーinsert 相手の答えー
なんて呼べばいいの？僕は名無しでいいよ！
ーinsert 相手の答えー
じゃあ、アイラブホワイトピッグちゃん！よろしくね！

then you just follow the conversation with whatever the fuck you want, at the start if your level is not that high that will probably be, are you a student? hobbies? what does your name mean? brothers? etc.

sorry for the awfully formatted response, but hope it helps

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116664
I want full fluency but reading and typing are currently the primary goal. I might drop full fluency being an "asap" thing since I need the time I'm probably wasting. I'm also only 2000 words in so I don't have much built up like you to work with.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116672
Thank you anon. I'm going to really try and get used to speaking this year. I'm already reading and everything but I want to do more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116665
無理もない
ど田舎でも、人々の常識がある。多分

[Anonymous No.]

I need vocab and reading experience, what do you suggest I should read?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116948
All the issues of Comic LO

[Anonymous No.]

I have a stupid question long after reading the guide.
Any suggestions for higher retention of the meaning of words? I'm like 3.5k into core and 1k into my mining deck and it's to the point where reading the words I'm learning is pretty easy but the meaning takes more 'agains' to remember.
今後の休日を楽しむほしい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116967
make a mnemonic using the meaning of the individual kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>What you need to do, (and honestly, what I think you should've done from the get-go) is work through a textbook like Genki 1 and Genki 2. I am NOT a fan of the raw-memorization strategy because it emphasizes too much input and has pretty much no output at all. But output is harder, and (I think) a better tell of your abilities and what has actually sunk in.

Guess the website.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116595
Cherish those moments when you feel like this because you have a long path ahead of you. When day is dark remember happy day

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117158
Aliens reading things.

[Anonymous No.]

>somebody uses katakana instead of kanji just because

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116562
How was your Japanese before you came to Japan?

Also did you have trouble with listening, if so how did you improve?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116672
You refer to yourself with an honorific?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117399
Without san nanashi means just nameless.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117413
I see

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117323
I had trouble with reading and writing but was good at talking, I think Im just good at talking generally on any language because I just copy. And if I mispronounce a word, I ask and then repeat properly until I can pronounce it when I go back home. Ive done this for years with any language, even my own.

At the start I had trouble with listening, not now though. Before here I had a japanese friend who lived in my country for a year, so I taught him spanish and he taught me japanese. So I had conversation practice every time we would go out, I also learned informal japanese before formal, I only recently learned formal japanese because I have to use keigo in interviews and shit.

Also anime does not help with listening, as far as actual everyday japanese goes. Trust me I was a BIG anime fan, havent seen any in like a year or two though. For actual listening I would recommend either getting a friend like me, or watching Jdramas or japanese tv shows. And repeat repeat repeat every day until you get it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117158
One thing I like to do is check in on those old reddit comments to see if they actually progressed to figure out what type of learner will succeed - one year in OP who started with RTK is actively translating (don't know how well but he's trying) - which is great. Basically all the genki people have dropped learning after a year or two. I'm sure the textbook works but I think it's so common there because college students are forced through it.

[Anonymous No.]

How is the language learning community on quora? I got this pop up and I'm curious

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115349
But anon it would be 楽しい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117639
Click on I don't know Japanese, John.

[Anonymous No.]

How do you say "who is this semen demon?" In nihongo?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117639
there isn't one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117508
I'm taking Japanese in college right now and the pace is absolutely glacial, but some people still can't handle it. We do half a Genki textbook per semester. Genki focuses a lot more on utilizing the grammar points in responses. Instead of having you memorize a big list of vocab and kanji, it pushes you to come up with organic responses using the little vocab and grammar you know. It's much better for speaking than for understanding, I'd say. This is what makes Genki difficult for self-study - it's all about practicing conversation and response, which requires a partner and a native speaker that can answer any questions about nuance. It needs to be supplemented outside of the classroom with vocab and kanji or you're going to feel like it was wasted time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117750
don't forget: forcing production before you can understand anything is permanently damaging to your language ability

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117759
Do you have any actual proof of this or are you merely saying this because it sounds nice?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117759
What do you mean by this? In Genki, you're only forced to produce what you know. They will never ask you a question that you don't understand or cannot answer appropriately with grammar points already covered in the book.

[Anonymous No.]

I know this isn't directly related to Japanese learning, but how harsh is the law in Canada regarding lolis and such? I mainly use non-pornographic manga magazines to learn Japanese, but even in those there are "tricky" situations sometimes, think about stuff like To Love-Ru. Could that get me in trouble with the police, should they find out?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115660
best founding father desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117779
only if it's not furry

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117764
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&ved=0ahUKEwjD897pyq_YAhVEOSYKHW0OC2MQFgg3MAE&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.multisensoryeflclassrooms.com%2Fapp%2Fdownload%2F8022162414%2FTowards%2Ba%2Breceptive%2Bparadigm%2Bin%2Bforeign%2Blanguage%2Bteaching%2B%25281%2529.pdf%3Ft%3D1503181816&usg=AOvVaw3XD2B7wDYzi_0YIzSh8l_5

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117787

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117791
abstract for the illiterate

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117787
>>18117791
>>18117796
This doesn't prove your claim though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117803
the only part it doesn't prove is "permanently" and that part is subjective

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117803
have fun continuing to refuse to believe the truth because it doesn't suit you i guess.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117767
It forces you to produce things that you have been taught. The things you have been taught are not the things that you actually """know""". When it comes to language learning, and most skills really, truly ""knowing""" is a much higher bar than merely being instructed about and able to remember a fact.

[Anonymous No.]

Anki vocab 222/6000, still long way to go lol

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117805
Any significant roadblocks early on are semi-permanent damage, because you learn faster the more you know.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117787
>>18117791
>>18117796
wtf I hate production now

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117805
It also doesn't prove "damaging" and that's pretty much everything he said. It merely says one method is more efficient.

>>18117809
What exactly do you think I believe? I was merely wondering what permanent damage I got from being forced to speak English starting in third grade.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117840
well you failed to substitute a noun for a pronoun where doing so would be more natural than not doing so in your initial post if that counts, but it's pretty normal for literate people to pick the unnatural option in writing if it's less likely to be misunderstood

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117699
someone answer plzu

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117860
>you failed to substitute a noun for a pronoun where doing so would be more natural than not doing so in your initial post
What are you referring to here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117886
>Do you have any actual proof of this or are you merely saying this because it sounds nice?
>Do you have any actual proof of *this or are you merely saying *it because it sounds nice?
in the former, technically, the first "this" refers to the information, and the second "this" refers to the text or sequence of words, but it's a very obscure distinction and you didn't provide a quote to narrow down the second "this" to mean the text itself
when the second "this" is replaced with "it", the natural meaning (where what was said and what requires proof are the same entity) is the only available interpretation

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117699
>>18117884
この精液の悪魔は誰?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117896
This is the face of autism.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117903
No, that's the face of a useless college education.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117906
i never want to school for this

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117699
この精液の悪魔は誰

[Anonymous No.]

What should I do if I'm reading something and I'm really invested in the characters, but I can't quite make out the semantics of the conversation and feel I'm misinterpreting things?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117982
Are you able to verify your interpretation in some way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117982
Do it more until you stop feeling like you're misinterpreting things.

Alternatively read multiple things at the same time.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117988
Not that I can really think of. It doesn't help that the characters are sitting around getting drunk and talking so they're acting a bit weird.

The main thing going on right now is that a character who has no job luck is talking to his best friend who's having a lot of job luck. I can't tell if he's angry or happy for the friend, but he's usually really caring towards his friend. For example, the line:

まじでどうやったらバカスカ内定とれるんだよ！？

confuses me because I'm not sure if he's talking about the friend being an idiot, having dumb luck or something else. He pretty much has a big breakdown after that line which makes me more interested in the semantics.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117982
If you can understand what's going, don't worry about the small shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118190
>If you can understand what's going
wha'ts going on*

[Anonymous No.]

When should I start studying Genki I & II? If at all?

[Anonymous No.]

When doing Anki Core 2K, do you write down every new kanji you see? Trying to find ways to make them stick...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118204
Don't bother with Genki. Just go through Tae Kim.

>>18118238
You can study radicals. Just don't put aside your current studies to study radicals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116403
Anyone?

Maybe I'll just try chiebukuro.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118204
I'd only do Genki if you have the time to do them very quickly, or just do the exercises. Otherwise go through tae kim as the other anon said.

[Anonymous No.]

what's the ultimate BGM for reps?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117759
you're stupid. If you force production by actually communicating with japanese people and they correct you it's amazing. I am the guy who posted above, I'm literally studying compsci at a japanese university, all in japanese and going out with friends and actually living here and I learned that way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118403
https://youtu.be/rSCkOEGkZFU
I once listened to this when people around me were noisy and I was able to do my reps this way

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118443
corrections don't help unless you are already very fluent, and even then they don't work on ingrained bad habits

[Anonymous No.]

what's the difference between using ても and plain verb ending も
like 食べても、ｘ
vs 食べるも、ｘ　<< I don't understand this form

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118501
They don't understand what "forcing" production means. Don't bother.

[Anonymous No.]

so once you learn the grammar, some basic vocabulary, and the kanas, its just reading and practicing until you become fluent enough without looking things up all the time.?

Is that the path to Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

Why does the alternate DJT guide recommend that you go through a beginners grammar guide *quickly* and *once*?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118501
>>18118508
Sorry for the rudeness before though, now I get your point. You meant like at the actual very start, not the ''beginner stage'' that includes everything up until intermediate, right?
Correcting myself I say you shouldn't wait too much until you start producing.

[Anonymous No.]

What is the easiest to read eroge?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118575
i mean if you're saying really simple stuff like いいんですね and そこじゃないけど there's not really much problem if you're actually at a reasonable stage of japanese
the problem is trying to have talk about things where you haven't learned the small number of ways in which the things that you want to say are actually said

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118507
One is imperative

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118605
it isn't

[Anonymous No.]

How do I get into the japanese mindset when forming sentences?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118613
read more

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118613
Basically this >>18118632. Comprehension is the cornerstone of output.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118608
Then what is it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3ZkCLUFrys
And just letting autoplay run, or one of these youtube mixes will bring you good music like this. Very motivational and not distracting.

[Anonymous No.]

Aside from living in Japan/talking to natives, what's the fastest way to improve listening?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118735
Anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118507
does there exist a root form mo ending for verbs?

wouldn't 食べるも translate to taberu the verb + mo the particle, meaning 'I eat too'

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118507
https://m.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/detail/q13135483248

And this expression feels formal and from third-person's point of view.

[Anonymous No.]

What is your guys motivation for learning Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118804
百合

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118694
it's the bastard cousin of a gerund plus the particle も

[Anonymous No.]

Any English teachers here? How fluent were you when you started out?

[Anonymous No.]

Is this too little information on my RTK cards? Maybe this card isnt the best example, but I try to find images that give me a strong emotion response. I kind of dislike memorizing stories, but is an image enough? Should I add my voice as well or somthing

[Anonymous No.]

Do Japanese really laugh like くくくくくくくくく?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118905
Man, that is really bad.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118947
oh, I forgot to mention I write down everthing

[Anonymous No.]

>>18116403
ナンチャラ means "blah blah blah" and this sentence is based on the proverb "馬鹿につける薬はない".

背中 implies the track of one's life by my interpretation.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118956
So why don't you put the Kanji on the back like it is actually recommended in RTK instead?
Or even better, ditch RTK and make vocabulary Kanji cards. Vocabulary (kana) & meaning on the front, Kanji with stroke diagram on the back. That is actually an approach that has some sustainability. There even are premade decks like that. The back is what you remember, drilling yourself on meanings is the most stupid thing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118905
>>18118956
>>18119009
You know upon taking a closer look at the image I feel like this is some kind of ironic shitposting. I don't know why I am starting the Kanji debate again. Please ignore my previous post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118735
>>18118741
if you want to speak like a retard desu

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119029
This so much. Remember that in anime, they don't speak Japanese. They speak a magical another language known as Animenese. It has absolutely no relation at all with Japanese so please don't watch anime for Japanese. My friends at reddit can confirm.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119009
>>18119017
bruh, I have cards going both ways

[Anonymous No.]

Where to find a qt Japanese girl to teach me Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118735
Watch jdrama but preferrably bangumi where the celebs will speak in their native dialect or at times in less clear ways otherwise forcing you to really listen and learn

but what you wanted to hear was anime, right? you can go watch your weebbait moeshit.

[Anonymous No.]

is there a site like animelon for jdrama?

[Anonymous No.]

So after being off the anki train for quite a while I decided to start a new deck and build a regular practice as vocab is the #1 thing holding me back in my studies right now. How many new cards do people normally do a day from their mining decks? I think I started off a bit heavy on the reviews as I've done 500 cards over the past 5 days. Although quite a few of those I know the word but not the kanji for it. My issue right now is that I am not happy with my review percent. Today and yesterday both were around 65%, mainly because I would get down to maybe 30-40 cards out of my 200+ reviews that for some reason just don't seem to stick so I have to hit the again button a lot. It seems kind of inefficient

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119106
>you can go watch your weebbait moeshit
それな

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119135
write them down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119106
>you can go watch your weebbait moeshit.
Why do retards like this even come here?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119212
They think anime is the apex of Japanese culture.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119218
I'm talking literal braindead retards like you who come to a board that is literally called "Otaku Culture" and whine about "weebbait moeshit". Literally kill yourself you waste of space.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119225
You're not even replying to the right person, weeb.

[Anonymous No.]

Why does 月 have a reading 'runa'? Is that supposed to be the Luna from the Spanish moon?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119305
Did you read it in a name or something? Doesn't mean it's right.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117641
go to /int/ then im sure you'll find another extrovert just dying to throw you their ball

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119106
>bangumi
おすすめは？
優先的にダウンロードとTorrentできる番組

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone tried reading Natsume Yuujinchou? I found a Japanese hardcopy on Amazon and I'm worried about the difficulty. I don't see it on the reading guide.

[Anonymous No.]

How can I get to the point where I can instantly recognize kana, like I can with latin letters?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119356
You actually don't quite instantly recognize latin letters, you recognize words. Try reading incomprehensible gibberish or albanian and come back to me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117787
>>18117791
>>18117796

So what does this mean?

t.brainlet

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119369
I see. That's why the DJT guide says
>Memorizing them here only makes them familiar to you. Fluently sounding out strings of hiragana comes from reading practice, not more memorization.

[Anonymous No.]

I've been working my way through the Core 2K on Anki but so far every word has been something I learned in Genki I. Where do the two really begin to deviate? I sort of expected to at least see some new words crop up here and there, seeing as the words Genki teaches are kind of arbitrary.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119337
>extrovert
>on 4chan
yea... no

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119382
I'm pretty sure whatever the word for car crash isn't in genki 1, nor is 遠い. You learn both of those a few hundred in I think, but there is naturally going to be a lot of overlap

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119479
>few hundred in
That explains it, I'm only about one hundred deep. The only new word I've come across is 少ない、but it uses the kanji from Genki I.

Beginner question - when should you use 少し　vs 少ない vs　ちょっと?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119526
By reading enough examples of those words being used in context that you know when to use each

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119526
I can tell you that one is an adjective, the other, adverb. But that ain't gonna help you, reading and listening will.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119341
Post your email and I'll invite you to avistaz. Just don't fuck it up because it'll cost me 2000 bonus points.

I recommend Beach Boys, Summer Snow, 白い春, and 結婚できない男 for starters.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119760
>>18119341

I'm a retard and didn't read that you wanted bangumi specifically and not the dramas. Nevermind.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119225
you can be a le epic otaku without being some moeshit weeb, with all the great OTHER things to be an "otaku" over, like JAV, mecha, Ultraman, Super Sentai, onaholes, etc. Seems like you're the angry autistic waste of space, not me. In case you forgot, /jp/ isn't /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

I think Anki is showing me the chinese version of 毋 because the stroke in the middle continues and extends past the bottom, where as in my browser it is displaying without that drawn out stroke. How do I fix this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119786
>you can be otaku
>except this part of it, because I say so
nice gatekeeping haha

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119786
Kill yourself you dumb nigger.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119810
Are you an ESL?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119799
Put a new rule in the css to change the font.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117814
>Anki vocab 7186/30000, still long way to go lol

[Anonymous No.]

>DJT fights over pointless shit - episode
>UMI DA
which is worse?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119819
Jeeze calm down, there's no reason to be angry. We all make mistakes some time. I forgive you for forgetting /jp/ isn't /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119834
No one cares. Kill yourself already.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119822
>>18119834
Normalfags don't belong here. You outed yourself, friendo

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119786
>特撮

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119819
This site is for 18 years of age and up, please refrain from posting.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119848
He's an /int/ crossboarder. Just ignore him and eventually he'll leave.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119844
I thought this general was one of the few rare corners of 4chan where retards didn't exist

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119863
https://youtu.be/mfMl83MOjPs

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119862
Tell me where it says you have to be a filty aniota to be an otaku.

[Anonymous No.]

Are any of you using a FF57 replacement for rikaichan since it no longer works? I saw yomichan and rikaichamp, does anyone have experience with these or know which one is better?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119894
Get palemoon and don't use jewish software.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119894
I've been using yomichan. It's not as good as rikaichan was but it works good enough for now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119890
The fuck? Who laughs like that?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119938
This is why you shouldn't imitate language in anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119834
You DO know djt was an /a/ thread for the longest time right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119994
Are we on /a/ now? Fucking crossboarders.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119994
>still replying to the /int/ shiteater

[Anonymous No.]

Good afternoon fellers. Started reading Yotsuba today. Wish me luck!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120003
>Are we on /a/ now?
Have I ever said we are?

[Anonymous No.]

what is the most useless joyo kanji?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120031
No but you certainly acted like it in an autistic fit upon being faced with the dissenting opinion that weebbait moeshit is garbage. this isn't /a/utism, fuck off crossboarding idiot. We hate crossboarders here.

Then again, I guess that's on me for replying to the /a/ shiteater.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120044
almost everyone is a crossboarder of some kind, are you retarded?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120056
Just read the entire reply chain.

[Anonymous No.]

How about having autistic fights, you answer some of the unanswered questions?

[Anonymous No.]

anyone who's intelligent enough to write jdrama instead of dorama isn't worth shitting up the thread to prove a point against

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120070
Answering questions actually requires some level of intelligence and an understand of Japanese which those two autists clearly don't have.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120077
>jdrama instead of dorama
lol who cares, either way is fine

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120099

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120044
This >>18119994 was my first post on this thread, I'm not the anon you were previously talking to.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120077
>>18120099
here we go again

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119994
I may be wrong, but I remember /jp/ having parallel djts while they were on /a/.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120126
The /jp/ threads had a different identity. Whenever "djt" was posted here before it was spontaneously deleted.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120077
I'll start calling anime jcartoons now.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120152
have fun being an outcast

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120152
actually not a bad name. i'm with on this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120152
>>18120167
do we call manga jcomics then?

[Anonymous No.]

完璧に聞き取って、スラスラと話せる用になりたい！

[Anonymous No.]

did you miss the ten years we've been calling them chinese cartoons

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120152
>>18120175

the difference is Japanese people call anime anime and manga manga, they don't call them jdorama or even jdrama. they call them "dorama". therefore, dorama should be the acceptable term. we just have one angry autist here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120186
they call them drama

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120186
I really don't care either way, I'm just here to start shit

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120191
but they don't say "drama". they say "dorama" because they're stupid nipnong chingchang writing has to have a vowel after consonants.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120212
they say drama just like they say mom dad brother sister shit fuck damn

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120126
No. When /djt/ first came here, there were several people who threw a major fit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120220
This is the most incomprehensible post I've seen all day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120220
I'm way too lazy go and find clips of actual japanese people talking but they say Dorama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120230
i guess you don't know english

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120231
they say drama
the fact that they say it differently doesn't matter, that happens between varieties of english as well

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120228
>gee, I'd sure be mad if those /a/utists ruin my touhou shitposting threads

[Anonymous No.]

Breaking Bad is my favorite dorama.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120235
They don't, just like they don't say table, they say teeburu.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120251
But that's wrong. Are you sure you know Japanese?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120236
>not Sopranos
fucking pleb

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120256
What pray tell, does テーブル mean then?

[Anonymous No.]

What is the japanese word for cumming inside?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120256
テーブル

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120271
it means table since it's the same word

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120276
中出し

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120280
Thanks, will go and nakadashi someone now

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120278
What about ヘルスメーター?

[Anonymous No.]

I've started referring to manga as comics or graphic novels when speaking in English and talking to someone when I am unsure whether they know about manga. "Oh it's a comic, I am reading it to practice Japanese." It's just easier. Manga are comics and anime are cartoons, after all.

[Anonymous No.]

>manga line breaks in the middle of words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120237
It was more like there was one autist who threw an autistic fit about /djt/ ever meaning anything related to anime, manga, or VN because apparently he didn't like those and only wanted to talk about Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120314
>meaning
*mentioning

[Anonymous No.]

hey /djt/

I'm new here, could you recommend me some easy animes for beginners? yoroshiku onegaishimas

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120329
Rance 01: The Quest for Hikari

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120307
I've been doing this since I left my mid-teens. At some point saying anime, I felt pretentious, so I chose a native word for it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120329
boku no pico

[Anonymous No.]

>彼女の肌は白く、とてもなめらかな感触だった。
>その最たるもの、華奢な身体に浮いた骨の筋を、指でなぞりあげる。
Can someone help with the last line? Particularly 身体に浮いた骨の筋?
I'm parsing the sentence as 「その最たるもの (彼女の肌), 華奢な身体に(浮いた骨)の筋」 but I'm not sure.

[Anonymous No.]

>し
Pronounced si, or shi, or both?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120423
pronounced し

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120423
shi, I don't think most japanese would even be able to pronounce si

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115845
Oh shit, I'm already past the beach. I had thought it would take me until summer to finish but it looks like I'll be able to finish in another week or so.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119003
Ah, thanks for the information. I'm glad to know I wasn't 110% off. I did a brief search for 背中 as used in metaphor but my searching skills are garbage and I guess it's not the kind of thing that has to be explained to Japanese people anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

Will there ever be a Rikaisama replacement? Yomichan is a slow piece of shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119786
>In case you forgot, /jp/ isn't /a/.
This is an /a/ thread, regardless of the board it is on. Also, /jp/ has no identity since it is containment board for dying generals. It's not 2010 any more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120656
delet this :(

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120452
I can understand difficulty with Ls and Vs, but si?

[Anonymous No.]

Has anyone shelled out the money for Dogen's patreon, and if so, how are his pitch accent lessons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120682
I've seen transcriptions you people wouldn't believe.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120801
don't bother, it's him baiting college students into input based learning methods. if you're already here then the public videos are the only ones you need/want

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120801
These? https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLeK-ilb1gk6md2oCbjPh4Rl0lnXXOV22P

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120832
>>18120801
>pitch accent lessons

Do people really try and focus on learning what pitch to say things? shouldn't this just come naturally with time/exposure?

[Anonymous No.]

Please help.

I can't find the meaning of this word. I'm pretty sure the first kanji is 典 but I can't find the second one or search for the full word using only the first kanji.

I also tried writing the second kanji in google but it's blurred partway and I can't get it to recognize what I do see.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121177
lmao chinese characters

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121177
興奮；）
Next time try searching by radicals.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121154
If you're still learning as a child, sure

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121189
wow i would have never freaking guessed

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121197
Do your ears not work?

[Anonymous No.]

Anyone use memrise on your phone? what decks? Their top hit for core 6k starts off with a lot of loanwords like "plastic" and 'record", kinda weird

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121203
Most people's don't if they don't learn a tonal/pitch accented language. Just because you know Punjab doesn't mean pitch comes easily to English speakers Pajeet.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118019
If you have a few lines that are impacting your understanding you can try a paid translation service, some of them charge by the character so you can microtransact a few lines for< 10$

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121314
Sorry about your single digit retard IQ my friend.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119135
Don't pay attention to retention after only 5 days of progress, especially when you're starting heavier than you're going to keep up. I prefer the true retention plugin, which keeps learn and relearn attempts out of the equation, primarily keeping duplicate failures from dragging down everything.
Piled up repeat fails at the end is probably a sign that you're adding too many cards, but it certainly shouldn't tank your retention statistic, that makes no sense. So that's part of why I use the plugin.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121432
Man, gooks must be complete retards if they can't tell the difference between R and L
And subsaharan Africans speaking in tonal clicks must be the smartest out there

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121154
Basics come naturally with time/exposure. Learning what to listen for and pay attention to is somewhat important for most people to blend in further with natives, when they are already at a fairly fluent speaking level. Not that you should use a youtube series for this.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18115089
Anyone?

[Anonymous No.]

As someone with a lot of hobbies (reading, games, programming...) it feels like learning JP has taken over all my free time. Anyone feel this way?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118905
Is this some sort of advanced bait? The pure awfulness of that Anki card is enough to make any sane man's blood boil.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121855
play japanese games, read japanese books, only program for work

boom problem solved

[Anonymous No.]

>>18119103
HelloTalk or Tandem

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121879
>only program for work
Not him, but why would I want to hate programming? Agree with the others though.

[Anonymous No.]

I see a lot of English and not a lot of Japanese, am I in the right thread here? I thought this was for learning Japanese.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121908
>wasting time producing when you are still a beginner

[Anonymous No.]

Check out this cool word, guys.
鹹湖

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121908
みるくちーは【ミルク】と【血】かな？
俺分からん

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121908
Yea it's for learning Japanese, not speaking Japanese. But feel free to start a conversation in Japanese if you want.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121994
Didn't know use of the language you're learning is strictly used when having conversations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122060
The point of language is to exchange ideas also known as conversation, baka-san.

[Anonymous No.]

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118938
No they laugh like フフフ

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120311
Happens in all forms of written Japanese media. Better get used to it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18120329
Watch something you've read the original manga version of. That's the easiest possible thing you can watch.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122082
I don't think you understood my post correctly. I suggest rereading it a few more times, maybe look at the thread a bit, think about what learning a language entails, and then come up with an actual constructive post.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121908
Talking to other gaijin in broken Japanese is what learning Japanese is all about, right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121468
Thanks for the help friend

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121908
There's plenty of stupid 片言 shitposting and random off topic blogshit in most threads. Fuck all to do with learning Japanese but if you're under those delusions then lurk a little longer and join in. Alternatively, go to a Japanese site and interact with natives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121908
its almost like people are here to learn by asking questions about the language they don't know how to ask questions in

[Anonymous No.]

>push my "new day starts at" setting on Anki forward a few hours to accommodate changes to my sleeping pattern
>it totally fucks all my stats and is now saying I didn't study on a bunch of days where I actually did

[Anonymous No.]

from anki deck
試合の相手とユニフォームを交換したよ。
why would you exahnge uniforms with the other team?

[Anonymous No.]

How quickly did you get used to compound sentences and the like? I can read most simple sentences while having read almost nothing (going to begin reading more than ankidroning soon) but while learning grammar I've slowly become more used to slightly bigger and bigger sentences. The issue is long sentences just fuck me up completely. Should I be trying to deconstruct them piece by piece like on another notepad or just keep rereading them or what?

I've only read one volume of Yotsuba, some chapters came easy like the cicada one but the sentences later in chaps made me need to look them up a lot.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122697
Just keep going you're doing well

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122697
Just keep reading and eventually you will learn how to connect parts of bigger sentences i guess. Just takes time like everything else.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122696
from yahoo answers
https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q14179921479

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122696
It's a football thing. Go ask >>>/sp/.

[Anonymous No.]

What's the edgiest word in your mining deck?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122766
my mnemonic for this if I needed one would be "liveleak"

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122767
>mnemonics for words
Do people really do this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122769
mostly not, but it helps it come to mind quicker anyways

I think ive used mnemonics enough to count on my fingers with words, and its usually just for radical placement. 遊 being one of them because it always makes me laugh at its meaning vs radicals

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122766
屍姦

[Anonymous No.]

My mnemonic for 斧 is yoko ono cuz she's a crazy ass bitch

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122796
>she's a visionary artist
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122819
but muh shrieking and screaming in that one studio recording

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122819
>she's a hack who's only claim to fame is her extramarital affair with and subsequent marriage to an actually talented person
Ftfy

[Anonymous No.]

How do you know how to pronounce 縁 when you come across it, just sheer context?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122766
ゲイ

ボルグ！！

[Anonymous No.]

排斥
爪弾き
村八分

Any others from this group that I should collect?

[Anonymous No.]

二人の女は顔を見あわせた。彼女らも、いいかげん、店にはいるのが遅れいている。
So is this 店 には いる　or 店 に 入る?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122987
Why not add the opposite: 依怙贔屓?

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

>>18118735
あたしもにほんごははつおんがはやすぎるとおもいます

[Anonymous No.]

>>18121908
>>18121983
>みるくちー

たぶんこういうの

[Anonymous No.]

さかずき..か

[Anonymous No.]

The heck is pic related. My mushrooms encyclopedia has nothing.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122766
Why does your mining deck have furigana?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18123197
It's only on the backs of the cards. I have it there mostly for words with okurigana because it emphasises to me where the kanji reading ends and where the okurigana begins.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18123190
ronin?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122987
ほうげんだったらごめんね

「はぶ」っていう

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122987
>>18123269
村八分の略で「八分」を「はぶ」って

つかっているんだとおもうけど

はぶはムラハチより

仲間はずれにちかいよ

[Anonymous No.]

What is a good pace for the genki books?

[Anonymous No.]

>クラス全員で探すも見つからず
>本番までの限られた時間だけが
>経過していく

I'm not really sure I understand this sentence, specially the
クラス全員で探すも見つからず part.
what is that も doing after a 辞書刑 verb?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18112263
I'm at like 400 words and my sense of accomplishment has been nothing but a straight line downward

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113473
Why are q, p, d and b all the same letter but in different orientations?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18123770
A chapter every three days imo.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124082
>BUT WHAT ABOUT

[Anonymous No.]

>>18123855
Even with the whole class searching, we couldn't find it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124064
good good

[Anonymous No.]

Is it harder to learn Japanese with English resources if English is not your native language?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124218
yes

[Anonymous No.]

>>18123770
Using Tae Kim instead

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124226
Even if you speak English fluently?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124232
A lot of ESLs have delusions into thinking they're relatively fluent and then come asking stupid questions because they struggle even understanding Tae Kim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124309
I'm pretty confident I'm fluent, anon. I've read TK and I had no problems understanding it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124321
>reading TK is now a measure of English language competence

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124321
What are you asking? If you had no problems with TK, what's left? You're hopefully going to switch to a Japanese dictionary after a few thousand words anyway.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18113657
Read the OP guide, mate. It provides answers to "how" and "what". You need to come up with a "why", in other words you motivation that'll keep you going for years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124231
What is a good pace for Tae Kim?

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a way to delete the statistic in Anki?

I tried to export the deck and reimport it but it only deleted the schedule not the statistic.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124495
I think you have to export it as notes or cards, or maybe start a new profile. I can't remember.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118735
Seiyuu radio shows

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124147
But what is that 辞書刑+も form? Can't find anything on it anywhere.

[Anonymous No.]

How do I pronounce the R sounds? Do I just pronounce them as L? I can't do the rolling R sounds too.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124569
It's a blend of d and l.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124559
>（２）活用語の連体形に接続して，逆接の確定条件を表す。…けれども。…ても。「心ひとつにいとど物思はしさ添ひて内裏へ参らむと思しつる―，出で立たれず/源氏（橋姫）」
Similar definition on https://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/jn/218351/meaning/m0u/%E3%82%82/

[Anonymous No.]

I'm new to reading and don't know a lot of kanji. I came across the first one today I actually am stuck on because I can't even write it in an app/dictionary and get any help figuring it out because nothing even close to it registers. The most I get is one half/part of it that is its own kanji/radical but the other half of the kanji I can't to register at all

How do you anons approach something like this to find out what it means or how to read it? Dictionary drawing and/or radical search had been working pretty well to this point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124484
READ_THE_GUIDE.moe

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124661
google translate writing

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124679
But the writing is on a picture from a manga page, I don't know what the text/character is to put into google translate

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124685
Post pic here

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124569
>I can't do the rolling R sounds too.
There are plenty of tutorials on youtube for what to do, once you get the idea all you can do is practice every day and slowly incorporate it between other sounds.
That being said, you only use the trilled R when trying to sound like yakuza, a delinquent, or some harsh dialects. The Japanese R is a flap against the alveolar ridge. There are videos on that too, but be careful of oversimplified explanations, and make sure you focus on examples from natives.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124569
the japanese r is one of the easiest sounds to make with the human mouth
chances are if you've been trying to do it for a few days you've already figured out how but just don't have the phonemic awareness to tell that you've got it right
listen more

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124711

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124828
握

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124666
The guide says "quickly". What I'm asking is what exactly is meant by "quickly", baka.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124862
>Tae Kim's grammar guide should not take more than a month to complete. In fact, a month is pretty slow. You don't want to memorize it, you want to get it into your head quickly and then review it once in a while later.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124834
t-thanks anon. Now that I see the stroke order I see where I went wrong drawing it (and even had to draw it 2-3 times to get the correct one to show up)
But in the future how would I deduce that on my own?

[Anonymous No.]

what does a small つ mean when its at the end of a sentence?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124903
glottal stop

[Anonymous No.]

http://desertsnow.ch

there's this private japanese site (prety much like the only jp-only warez forum) with raw stuff, registration currently open
sometimes it has stuff that's not on public sites like manga and books nobody bothered to rip

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124874
Are you not using google translate? I know nothing about stroke order and shittily drew it in google translate and it came up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124926
I was using jisho's before.
But I tried googles just now that you mentioned it and even writing it improperly like the way I did before asking here it came up with the correct one as the 2nd result. I guess google's is just a much better option to draw with and I actually didn't know it had a draw feature so that's cool
thanks senpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124960
The OP doesn't say "READ THE GUIDE BEFORE ASKING STUPID QUESTIONS" for no reason.
https://djtguide.neocities.org/resource%20guide.html

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124925
Thanks anon

[Anonymous No.]

I am learning the kana now. How many kana should I memorize each day?

[Anonymous No.]

「SWってなによ？ス〇トロワロスって意味か？」

丸は何ですか。誰かわかりますか。

[Anonymous No.]

>>18110467
Anyone have any experience taking Japanese in College? A buddy of mine took it and he told me it was filled with students who were more into anime then actually learning. The way he described it is Japanese 100 is going to be a huge cringe fest but Japanese 102 is going to be filled with a lot more regular people.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18124986
I guess I should have kept reading further down. The guide mentions jisho (well ahead of google translate) as a dictionary and says you can hand write kanji so I just took that at face value.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125038
That really depends on the person. Some people can memorize then all in a day. I'd say try to bench mark yourself. Try to memorize as many rows as you can until it starts to not stick. Then just focus on the ones you've got up to for the day and continue the next day.

Should take you max a week.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122766

[Anonymous No.]

だったら　てめえは
どうだって言うんだ！

>Then what does that make you?!

i do not really get the translation. is this figuratively?

what my knowledge wants to make of this:
>if thats the case how do you talk like this
is this the literal translation?

[Anonymous No.]

>take the guide's suggestion to read yotsuba as a new shitter
>its probably the equivalent of a literal children's book
>tfw its taking me upwards of 10 minutes to read each single page
I don't know whether to feel like I'm making progress, or like I'm actually mentally challenged for how slow I'm progressing through a kids book

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125187
read something meant for people a little more mature than yotsubato

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125137
We're going to need more context, Jim.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125082
not personally, but apparently the first two semesters are huge weeb filters

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125192
but if I'm having that much trouble with it, how could I even begin to comprehend something at a more mature reading level

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125208
things meant for young children are harder to read than things meant for old children and young teenagers

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125205
Lmao this always happens with weebs. They think Japan is all about anime and kawaii~~ moeshit and expect the language to be easy to learn. It requires a lot of discipline which these weebs will never have, ever

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125187
>>18125208
children's book are more straight forward grammarwise

Yotsuba often uses everyday speech, slang etc.
sometimes it's literally easier to read a long sentence in a LN than some single manga speech bubble

[Anonymous No.]

>>18122766
断末魔

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125205
>>18125226
Very true. The first level of Japanese in my experience was nothing but weebs, second level had about half as much and the third level absolutely none.

Only thing I thought was a little odd was how many half Japanese students there were. 90% of Japanese 3 were half Japanese students.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125250
>paying college to learn something you can do for free

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125137
recall that って often equals と
and recall Xという = to talk about / to say X

you can see だって not as a single idiomatic word, but as two: だ + って
so, you could break that sentence up like this:
てめえはどうだ？ + っていうんだ

basically impossible to make a sensible word for word translation but the overall sense is something like: "if that's the case, we'll say the way you are"

[Anonymous No.]

How does anki review work?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125268
Who are you quoting?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125350
I too would like to know this.

[Anonymous No.]

Everybody seems to rave on about how difficult the language is solely because of kanji, but so far the grammar rules are really breaking my back.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125202
（皐月）
だったら貴様は
ただ　その神衣の中に
無自覚な肉体を
突っ込んでいるだけにすぎない

（流子）
だったら　てめえは
どうだって言うんだ！

>>18125310
that helped to make it abit clearer. thanks.
iam never sure when to let japanese be japanese and when to get a more literal meaning to understand.

[Anonymous No.]

Various sources tell me 5 years of legitimate studying is all that's really needed to be able to read/speak close to fluently. Is there any truth to this?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125539
iam in year 4 and nowhere close to this but i wasted 2 years because i didnt find DJT yet and spent it with useless shit like learning kanji disconnected from sentence or learning onyomi readings seperate.

i think if you go hardcore smart strategic study and have a teacher and japanese native speakers at hand its possible.

as the average weeaboo like we all are who is socially awkward its much harder. you can probably read your favourite mango within 5 years.

btw i can watch the first few kill la kill episodes with JAPANESE subs and understand 90% and feel like a god.

i also think the only reason i did this until now because i actually really enjoy learning japanese even tough iam not really good at it.

[Anonymous No.]

おはようおにいちゃん

きょう

おおみそかはいそがしいよ

[Anonymous No.]

>「へんもどう、にいってそうに、淫靡だってた表情の背中だろう、水着して照れるとず。　うじいるんだかられだ」
What does the れ mean here at the end? I don't think
it's just a typo for だからだ since it's used elsewhere in the manga. Context is a flirty playboy kind of guy praising a girl's swimsuit.

[Anonymous No.]

>「へんもどう、にいってそうに、淫靡だってた表情の背中だろう、水着して照れるとず。　うじいるんだかられだ」
>それになるで初める、ぜいいけ押しょやあ、演者を言峰がつ、ど、び、頭が過ごめらだかしてきるわないっていとゆくないしてい大歓喜んだしてわた。
What the fuck am I reading?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125582
>いそがしい
全然忙しくない

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125579
My uncle is Japanese and has offered many times to help me. In what way should I ask for help from him?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125579
>as the average weeaboo like we all are who is socially awkward its much harder
Surprisingly my Japanese class is filled with hafus. I'm the only white guy there.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125608
>Japanese class is filled with hafus
Is this super common or what? What's with the sudden resurgence of mixed Japanese kids learning the language again?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125603
ehm...

whenever your studies dont go well you ask him for advice? you just ask him to guide you trough everyday conversation in japanese?

you basically have the perfect starting condition with your uncle and i envy you.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125622
USA is going to shit and they have right to Japanese citizenship by blood so they wanna return.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125628
Yeah I'll do that. My plan was always to ask him to start talking to me in Japanese once I got good enough.

And I really wasted this opportunity. I should've started years ago.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125608
man wtf.
i sit here with anki, tea kim and subs2srs and you got a japanese uncle and a class full of hafus.

WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE?!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125639
The class being filled with hafus isn't what you think. Unless they're faking they know about as much as me reading wise and only have a bit of an advantage with vocab.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125622
Why is it shocking someone wants to learn the language of their mother/father? It's the same shit with the German kids, Italian kids, Spanish kids, They all want to learn what their parents speak.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125600
おしょうがつのしたくがあるでしょ

ちゃんとして

[Anonymous No.]

I have a stupid amount of free time but I just waste it browsing the internet. How can I discipline myself to using it to study?

[Anonymous No.]

I was reading just fine and then this happened. Did the writer have a stroke or am I just really bad at Japanese?

[Maki No.]

Who /given up/ here?

I've studied almost four years and still awful.

Fuck this I'm learning a real trade. At least I tried

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125701
At least you can read manga with better comprehension than scanlations.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125701
What was your studying method?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125665
本当にありませんだよ

[Anonymous No.]

最近の機械翻訳はどれくらい悪いですか？

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125718
自然↑　誤り↑

[Anonymous No.]

So what is your motivation for learning Japanese anons?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125732
kamige

[Anonymous No.]

Are there some recommended モバゲー for learning Japanese?

No idol games please, something I can play on commutes or in public.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125744
this is a terrible idea

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125732
i hate my life

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125751
Why? I tried シノアリス but I don't like it much.

I figure there must be more Japanese only games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18110467
Are there any apps to help you recognize Kana? Memorizing them and writing them isn't hard but seeing them bunched together still requires practices to instantly read them.

Is there anything that gives you random simple words in Japanese that you are asked to identify? Sort of how we learn A is for Apple as kids.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125767
even if something like that exists it's going to work worse than forcing yourself to "read" stuff even if you can't understand it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125766
It's better to play something you're familiar with. Why not try Pokemon or Dragon Quest? Those game are pretty easy.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125701
You need to re-evaluate your studying methods if your Japanese is bad even after 4 years.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125775
I don't care whether the games are easy or not.

Guess mobage aren't popular here.
I'll watch some Japanese commercials and download a couple.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125732
To read this one day.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125706
Doesn't sound like he had one

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125732
quit being a filthy EOP, avoiding censors and waiting on translations

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125744
https://www.konami.com/games/loveplus/every/
>>18125809
I heard some of the earlier DQ games have a mobile version...

[Anonymous No.]

ぎゅっと抱きしめたい程立花アリスがかわいい

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125854
Might as well get a 3ds at that point. You can play dq 1-9 on it

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125854
>https://www.konami.com/games/loveplus/every/
Is this even out yet?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125912
Not yet.
>>18125902
Can you take screenshots with the 3ds? I like the convenience of having a cell phone that fits nicely in a pocket and that allows you to easily take screen shots (or do the games prevent you from doing this?)
I also have an emulator set up with a button on my controller mapped to taking screenshots so I can review the dialogue and mine words once I've reached a save point.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125960
>Not yet.
What are you playing then?
I searched 人気 モバゲー and found this:
http://www.gpara.com/rankings/feature/android

So I guess I'll check some of those out.

[Anonymous No.]

Weeb reasons aside what reason would an American who's N1 level Japanese have for moving there?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125701
Face it, the only reason you gave up is because you aren't smart enough to learn Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125988
Check out qt japanese girls

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125988
If you think the women are cute and like their personalities and think they'll be compatible with you, then go for them. Also Japanese admire westerners who can speak Nipponese well

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125989
No need to be mean, dude. I have a feeling he didn't learn it more because he didn't want it bad enough. Where there's a will, there's a way.
>>18125982
I don't have any mobile games -- I'm just waiting for Love Plus Every.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125809
I just downloaded kirara fantasy but I've never played mobage before. I figure it will be a fun way to get more exposure and I am lacking things I can do casually on my phone

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125994
I wonder what they think of half Japanese people. You hear everywhere that they either adore or hate westerners but I don't hear much about what they think of hafus.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125639
>and a class full of hafus.
What indicates to you that they can speak Japanese any better than he can? Sacred Nippon blood?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126085
>americanized hafus
They're shit at everything, lowest caste of eastern asians.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126085
Well one of their parents should obviously speak Japanese right? You don't really find any pure 100% Japanese people who don't speak Japanese in the U.S anymore and since anon mentioned they were hafus that'd mean one of their parents are Japanese and ergo should speak Japanese. This meaning the hafu should know some Japanese or at least have an advantage.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126094
>americanized hafus
Can confirm am Americanized. I speak more German then Japanese too.

[Anonymous No.]

When learning Kana I always get stuck around Ha Hi Fu He Ho. Any tips on getting further? I reach a wall and start getting the others mixed up.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125767
Apps wont do that. You need to read words. Read native easy material you'll gradually get faster. You don't have to be at the point where you're doing actual legitimate reading practice, and you can skip over all kanji just to practice identifying kana in sequence as quickly as possible.

However, if you're not ready to actual reading yet because you're still not through reading a grammar book, and you want to do something more active than reading endless kana with zero comprehension: learn vocab (with kanji) through Anki. Between the okurigana accompanying the kanji on the front, and the full kana version on the back of the card, you'll be reviewing tons of kana just to make sure you got the card right. Because you have an idea of what you're expecting to see and are primarily checking that it matches, it's easymode but it still helps. Nowhere near as effective as reading, but it definitely solidified what I was rusty on before I started actual reading. Just be careful not to ingrain reading mistakes and turn them into learning words incorrectly. If you're unsure about a kana after a few seconds, check it.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126135
Get some kind of app and just hammer them into your brain. But don't let kana hold you back from progressing with your studies, they're the kind of thing you certainly will forget at points. As you learn more words written with kana you will become used to them. As long as you know where to look to find their readings it's fine, there are more important things. I guess if I had to think of a tip I'd say ha as in hachi, hi as in koohii like the rabbit cafe anime girls, ho as in the word homestay. Fu is used in the word present, and he is the same in both alphabets. Sorry for romaji I'm on a friend's phone

[Anonymous No.]

How many of you are fluent enough to be able to translate japanese text?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126100
There are a lot of assumptions being made. The parent could never speak it, or only at family reunions. They could be adopted. Regardless, limited exposure to spoken Japanese isn't necessarily as big of a benefit as it sounds. Look at all of the people who moved to Japan for "immersion" and haven't progressed at all.
They COULD have an advantage. It's far from guaranteed though.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126235
Translating the ancient, noble language of Yamato in a way that conveys it's true essence is impossible. No one on Earth has this capability.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126243
Lmao whats impossible about turning Japanese words into English words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125982
>>18126050
Project Tokyo Dolls is pretty good.
Just played for half an hour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126259
they're the same words the problem is that they're used differently

[Anonymous No.]

>>18110467


I have the font set in the front style to MS Mincho but it's reverting back to whatever generic Chinese font it uses on cards for some reason. How the fuck do I just permanently change it to MS Mincho? I'd actually like to use that FC Kyoukakushou one from the CoR but I couldn't figure out how to set that one as the font. Some Anki wizard please help.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126281
See, in pic related, the top character is supposed to look the same as the stroke order one but it's fucking it up again even though the style CLEARLY says to be MS Mincho

[Anonymous No.]

Does anyone know where I could watch the show Friends dubbed over in Japanese? There are a few clips on Youtube but I'd love to get my hands on a collection of episodes. I know that watching Japanese dubbed media doesn't teach you natural speech patterns, but I'm a big Friends fan and get a huge kick out of it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMFB2NXDfiU

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126323
>rachel's voice

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125082
>>18125250
In my experience this is absolutely true. You'd be shocked to see the number of people that bomb level one and two HARD. I'm talking less than 10% on exams. To be honest the elementary classes aren't even difficult, they mostly follow Genki and do maybe half a book per semester. It's just that weebs recognize a few words from anime in the vocab list and think "omg I'm so ahead!1!" and never bother to actually practice the grammar points or memorize the kanji.

It's also pretty sad to see how many guys in those classes had major premature balding issues. It was at least 30%. Japanese class attracts them like moths to a flame apparently, I've never seen such a concentration before.

[Maki No.]

I am not stupid .__.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126372
>premature balding

No such thing, it's simply balding.

Also it's probably because as a result of society making them feel ashamed and embarrassed for going bald, such as calling it "premature" (literally a genetic trait that cannot be prevented) that they hide away in the idealistic and fantastical worlds of Anime.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126323
I wonder if Japanese people have an incredibly difficult time telling Ross, Joey, and Chandler apart. They look about as similar to each othermas Japanese actors look to Westerners.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126391
premature balding for medical reasons is a thing but can't be observed casually

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126391
Balding in your late teens and early twenties is pretty far out of the norm. I'm talking full on George Costanza here, it was quite odd.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126404
The reason for it of course is low T

[Anonymous No.]

Why does Japanese take so long to learn?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126422
everything takes long to learn

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126409
For a lot of bald men (the majority of the ones that end up balding) it begins in those years it only progresses at a different pace. I first noticed my hair becoming thinner than it used to when I was 18. Patrick Stewart was full on Dr Phil in his teens, or so he says.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126294
Post the style and make sure you actually have MS Mincho installed

I just tested <span style="font-family:MS Mincho;">毋</span> and it worked fine.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126422
Loan words are about the only thing Japanese shares with English. Japanese doesn't take nearly as long for Chinese people to learn, although no language is easy.

Japanese is commonly thought of as being four times harder to learn than other Western languages (Spanish, German, etc.) I've seen it phrased that it takes four years of Japanese to reach the fluency of one year of Spanish. Kind of discouraging, isn't it...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126433
><span style="font-family: MS Mincho; font-size: 90px; ">{{Radical}}</span>

It was displaying properly at one point but it keeps reverting in spite of the style being the same. The preview dispalys the correct font.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126451
if you're on windows:
if you're on the anki 2.1 betas, switch back to 2.0.x
if you're still on 2.0.x, switch to 2.1
if you're not on windows:
haha good luck

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126446
Bwahaha, I love a challenge. I will do what most aren't capable of!

[Anonymous No.]

I was told to do this to help immerse myself. Was wondering what you anons think.
>Anything that has a language setting should be set to Japanese.
>Listen to Japanese music.
>Use Japanese subs.
>Think in Japanese.
>Read Japanese versions of familiar books.
>Get a Japanese pen pal.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126506
>>Think in Japanese.
>>Get a Japanese pen pal.
see
>>18117787
>>18117791
>>18117796

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126531
thinking in japanese is fine because you're not forced to commit to an actual sentence. fragmentary grammar with abstract connections between phrases for thoughts is fine, and natural.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126531
So I just learn silently at first? Like...wouldn't that one anon with the Japanese uncle benefit from speaking to him rather than just keeping to himself?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126506
Don't forget to say いただきます before eating.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117759
Tell me if I'm getting wrong anon. So basically it'd be better for me to know a shit ton of vocab and a good understanding of Kana and Kanji before I start reading anything?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126556
what

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126551
>itadamosu
My 2nd day of learning kana is already paying off

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126562
*itadakimasu
Guess reading teaches you how to properly see letters in words

[Anonymous No.]

>>18117759
What does this mean? I need a spoon anons.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126562
Good job

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126572
read
don't speak

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126571
イタ抱き増す

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126575
I'm the anon who has a Japanese uncle. To start off it'd be better for me to talk to him in Japanese through text then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126536
Remembering things you've picked up from your media consumption is good, thinking "how do I express X in japanese" probably isn't

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126581
I believe the point is that you "absorb" Japanese rather than force yourself to "output" Japanese

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126581
listening is fine
producing japanese, speech or text, for lengthy period of time, is bad

[Anonymous No.]

I left Japan when I was 5 and I constantly have dreams where people speak in Japanese. I keep a dream journal and I have absolutely no fucking clue what's being said when I read it. My Japanese mother reads what is written and while it's usually....weird as fuck usually involving the usual nonsense dream involves the Japanese is actual Japanese.

The thing is I can't really speak Japanese anymore because I left when I was very young, so why the fuck does dream me know Japanese so well?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126562

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126601
The brains are a wonderful thing especially during sleep

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126595
So best bet is to just read a ton? At what point would I know when it won't be damaging to speak and produce Japanese then?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126615
when the japanese wording for something you want to say pops into your head and you know that it's correct at a level deeper than having heard it used in a similar situation in anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126601
I have what are essentially nightmares where people are saying things to me in fluent Japanese but I can't formulate a coherent response. I always found it kind of funny because I'm essentially "speaking" both sides of the conversation.

Of course, what I remember as being fluent Japanese could be complete gibberish.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126595
Is this just a meme? Any Japanese course you take in college will be largely production. I'm not actually paying to harm my language skills, r-right?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126626
Yeah, was just gonna say, how do you know it's fluent Japanese if you don't speak it?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126635
being forced to produce speech almost always causes you to memorize accent patterns and word uses/idioms that don't actually exist. these take a long time to unlearn.
if it's text then only word uses/idioms that don't exist.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126635
It's the opposite of "just a meme". It's the actual science. Production practice doesn't help at all when you could be consuming input instead.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126601
Post excerpts from the journal

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126636
I can speak/understand much more than I'm able to in the dreams. Like I won't even be able to sputter out a "sumimasen."

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126636
Well like I said. I know enough Japanese to recognize when Japanese is being spoken and due to me keeping a Dream Jorunal all my life I can pretty much remember 90% of my dream. When I have a dream where Japanese is spoken I'd write down the spoken Japanese and have my mother look at it.

The latest one was some Japanese dude talking about a giant turtle dolphin attacking the monkey bean people.
>>18126649
I can do that if people are really interested.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126626
It's a pretty weird feeling right? I wish there was a way to tap into that Japanese knowledge. There are times where my mother would say the Japanese spoken is just a bunch of nonsense and not really a sentence. Just a bunch of words.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126664
>I can do that if people are really interested.
I am, please do

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126635
The reason courses teach like this is because they are people just like who are doing a job for a paycheck, They know nothing about teaching a language

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126664
Shit that's fucking awesome. I should start keeping a dream journal. Do you ever remember fucked up shit?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126692
I think it's a little presumptuous to assume that a collegiate language department knows nothing about teaching a language. The entire department is made up of native Japanese speakers with language education degrees.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126682
Alright. Once I head home from work I'll post it here.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126601
I remember reading about some dude who got into a coma or something and woke up speaking another language. Maybe it's something similar to that? Any anons know how that works?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126716
guess they were taught bullshit then

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126728
generative grammar is a hell of a drug

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126716
and yet, they need two semesters to get through the first volume of Genki

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126716
>>18126738
I think it's also likely that the department doens't expect most people to follow through and learn the language. I took Italian in college and never did shit.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126716
Go show one of the fourth-year students in those Japanese courses a novel or movie in Japanese and ask them to explain what's being said. Watch them flail (unless they taught themselves Japanese outside class).

[Anonymous No.]

やはり僕は死ぬべきな人です

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126451
>>18126457
I went back to 2.0.x~ and this is the result. The preview is correct, the cards in the app themself aren't. Fuck why the fuck is this happening.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126789
Are you editing both the Recognition and Recall template?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126803
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126751
Did you get a degree in Italian or just take two semesters worth?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126816
Two semesters worth. I had some free classes left over and Italian was the only class not full.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126601
Perhaps you were a Nip in your previous life, and the memories of the self before your current is oozing into your mind? What you can do is to channel your inner Japanese and let Him take over. I believe in you senpai

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126578
痛い炊き益す

[Anonymous No.]

still waiting for dream journal excerpts

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126839
See
>>18126718

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126763
I have Japanese as a second major and supplement with Anki 2k and readings, with the goal of working with a Japanese company in the US or with an American company in Japan. Do the two methods (production and input) conflict with each other?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126467
That's the spirit!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18125451
here's the thing. in english, it is bad form and very awkward to embed your own thoughts in the form of a quotation (as "spoken" to yourself) into a larger sentence.
but in japanese it's very common.
just read more, it will eventually become natural to parse these sentences in a japanese style.

>iam never sure when to let japanese be japanese and when to get a more literal meaning to understand.
imho it's very worthwhile to try to understand the literal meaning of many constructions and expressions. because you learn how people are thinking

[Anonymous No.]

>>18111538

If you're going to start using apps, go with LingoDeer instead. It's basically Duolingo, except they bother to actually teach you before letting you play the memory games.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126849
They don't conflict it is just classes are a waste of time and money. Why not just learn on your own, a language degree is the most useless degree you can have

[Anonymous No.]

>>18118735
Read books

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126849
It's fine so long as you study (hard) outside class.
http://www.antimoon.com/other/myths.htm

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126716
They have a goal. They need you to be able to repeat set phrases as soon as possible, regardless of if it's the ideal method for someone who actually intends to learn for more than 6 months. Much like every other field of study, there are national and international expectations of what you "should" be able to do after x amount of study that are not based on proper learning methods.

Further, average idiot is going to feel like they wasted their time and money on a course if they aren't speaking by the end of the first semester. They will not continue and may complain publicly, rousing attention of other average idiots who don't know shit about language learning. Forcing production is the fastest way to feel like you're accomplishing something, even when you're fucking yourself over and slowing yourself down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126869
I felt like it would be impressive next to my "main" degree, Computer Science. I actually needed to take at least a minor for CS and the Japanese major was only two more classes than the minor. Perhaps I overestimated how much clout a Japanese degree would carry in the tech sector, but there was no way I was going to invest in learning Mandarin, even though it's much more useful.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126885
>going to school
At least you're smart enough to learn Japanese instead of mandarin. You don't ever, EVER, want to do business with the soulless chinks.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126895
I did read the greentext from that one guy who got roped into working with Chinese dealers because of his degree. China's a shithole. At least Japan is clean and won't give you COPD.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126885
How much are you going to owe when you're through? I occasionally wonder if I should go back and do CS + Japanese myself, since I'm using them either way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126933
I'm going to a university in state so it's relatively cheap and my parents are bankrolling me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18126908
China has been trying to modernize itself in recent years. For example they have been investing a lot of their resources into A.I and renewables
It's a natural symptom of developing countries, give them some time
Don't forget that not long ago in America horses were left to rot on the streets with their fecal matter and the swarms of vermin eating away at the wastes

[Anonymous No.]

if you have the motivation to pursue self study, college Japanese classes are not worth what you pay for or for the time investment . The classes move too slow, most of your classmates will learn vocab and grammar for the tests and then forget them, doing speaking practice with people who are terrible is, frankly, painful. And learning grammar points to instantly do production gets old, during my final semester I was just not into it at all because you're expected to learn how something works and then immediately put it into practice speaking, rather than learning to see when and how to use a particular grammar point/phrase. I don't regret taking 4 semesters because I don't think I would have gotten to the point where I could dive into self study without the initial kick start, and I go to a community college so it was only like $500 per course. When I transfer to a 4 year school I don't think I'll take any Japanese courses, I'd rather take extra electives in my major (another CSfag here). And the money itself will be much better put towards a private tutor, which you can hire for $20-$40/hour.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127027
>doing speaking practice with people
This so much this. One of the parts in the classroom we had was "oral" time in which everyone has to speak to teach other in Japanese.

It was during that time you can find the people who really want to learn the language and the weebs. I don't think I have to explain how the weebs spoke.

[Anonymous No.]

Why are all weebs so...same-y? The large majority I've seen are overweight with a lot of B.O. Where the fit clean weebs at?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127062
>fit clean weebs
Hahahaha

[Maki No.]

>>18127062
Me...
I'm swole..

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127062
just look at the good looking weeb girls for example, they are all the more batshit crazy
at least the fat weebs have an excuse for their escapism

[Anonymous No.]

Is there a DJT discord?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127041
>>18127027
Shouldn't the weebs be weeded out by the third semester? Most of the weebs in my elementary classes were bombing hard.

One girl even said to me after getting a 12 on an exam "They don't want you to be able to speak Japanese for the JET program anyway, so I'm doing myself a favor!" Ganbatte, Tard-chan.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127088
I feel like weeb girls are generally crazy because real weeb material aimed at females is much more niche. Weeb guys can get their rocks off to any number of harem anime but weeb girls have to turn to shitty fanfiction and gay doujins.

[Anonymous No.]

>do well on 読解
>crash and burn on 聴解
Just fucking kill me.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127164
watch more anime

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127164
Listen to podcasts or audio ripped from shows you like :3
>>18127118
Where can I find a 30y/o catlady weeb gf... and would I want one?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127164
What the fuck, you are lucky as hell to have this problem. It's more difficult the other way around. For listening all you have to do is watch more shit. But for reading you actually ahve to force yourself to sit down and study like a slave.

[Anonymous No.]

Translating doujinshi for my fellow wankers is fun as heck, and it's been helping my reading comprehension

>>18127109
>"They don't want you to be able to speak Japanese for the JET program anyway, so I'm doing myself a favor!"
It's just like my japanese cartoons

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127062
The fit, clean weebs don't tell anyone e their weebs and two their best to hide their power levels.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127109
Some of those buggers actually do try to learn. It's just during the oral time they over use some anime ticks. The teach kept telling them to knock that shit off but they don't listen.
>12 on the exam.
A fucking 12? In a first level Japanese course?! A fucking child can do better than that.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127088
>they are all the more batshit crazy
They're usually batshit crazy and have a long list of metal illnesses listed on their twitter.

[Anonymous No.]

As radicals how do you tell 入人 apart when in something like 全, 入 looks just like 人? I guess it doesn't matter...

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127359
入る has the long stroke start at the top left quadrant and 人has it start at the top right quadrent.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127387
when writing it by hand it's more obvious but these computer fonts are getting it wrong, even the stroke order gif on the wiki entry for 入 ( https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E5%85%A8 ) shows the "wrong" (??) stroke order for the radical 11 component.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127307
I honestly have no idea. Our grades are posted online, and you can display the low, mean, and high score. The low was always something in the teens for the Genki chapter test, and the high was either a 99 or 100. I'm pretty sure it was the same girl scoring that low each time, she didn't even know how to read hiragana by the end of Genki.

[Anonymous No.]

What is up with LN authors and obscure vocab? Fucking hell.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127536
Causal filter

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127164
read more.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127553
It's so fucking annoying though.

>>18127565
You mean read something other than romcoms.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127307
>A fucking child can do better than that.
No one does better in learning languages than children.

[Anonymous No.]

土士

WHY JAPANESE PEOPLE

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127622
false

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127658
no true

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127658
Maybe if you taught them in an academic manner.

[Anonymous No.]

Why do I get a huge burst of extra motivation whenever I go into a DJT thread?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127668
You're retarded, that's why.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127668
Because this general exudes good vibes and positive energy

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127099
https://discord.gg/neA547g

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127622
children are trying to learn their native language 24/7 with desperate, single-minded focus
adults don't do this

[Anonymous No.]

What is it about Na Ni Nu Ne No that's a huge wall for me to memorize?

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127743
iirc I learned them more or less by memorizing them in pairs/triplets with other kana they really resembled, and remembering the difference.
>たな　
>こに
>めぬの
>れねわ

Same with さ, ち and き, for instance. I think I learned most of them this way.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127785
Oddly enough I have all the other Hiragana memorized. It's just the Na Ni Nu Ne No that's getting me for some reason. Can't explain why but they won't stick.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127743
Brain damage

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127806
Are you at the very beginning of your learning or are you starting to read things? Honestly the way I actually started retaining kana was as particles. I say that because all but one of those are really important particles.
Even before I was actually learning Japanese I would see の, に and the occasional ね in, for example, titles, and go "whoa, I can read Japanese" from that.

I dunno if that'll help, the way I started teaching myself the language was very different from the standard/recommended way

[Anonymous No.]

Don't forget listening practice. Japs are doing a speedrunning stream if you want something different

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127806
Write them down.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127679
Thank you, anon

[Anonymous No.]

What's with all this "production" bullshit some of you faggots keep spouting? If you think doing pratice exercises doesn't help retaining infomation and will "permanently damage your language learning" (fucking kek), you are seriously retarded.

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127988
shut.. the.. FUCK up! TALKING, BAD WRITING WORSE! ONLY ANKI, VN, AND ANIME!

[Anonymous No.]

>>18127988
Please form a coherent argument.