ITT we discuss and connect the mythology background to the Touhous. Like Eirin is based of Shinto God of Wisdom Omoikane, etc.

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ITT we discuss and connect the mythology background to the Touhous.

Like Eirin is based of Shinto God of Wisdom Omoikane, etc.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 12:55:22 2017 No.18087879 Gensokyo is actually Tír na nÓg.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 15:34:29 2017 No.18088664 File: 145 KB, 317x238, AFTER TEN THOUSAND YEARS.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Finally a decent thread in this garbage dump of a board. If it comes close to dying I will revive it as often as I need to.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 15:46:18 2017 No.18088706 File: 129 KB, 600x429, okina ja tanssijat.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Well, starting with the newbie, Okina is based on the god Matara-Jin, and Eternity is apparently based on a caterpillar cult-god.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 15:54:45 2017 No.18088731 Shinki is based on Lucifer (and the SMT version) or Satan, since makai still exists in windows canon it's probably something like abrahamic hell or an abrahamic portion of hell. Or hell varies depending on what you believe in.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 17:46:28 2017 No.18089220 Hecatia is based of the same name greek godess of magic

Anonymous Sun Dec 24 18:08:21 2017 No.18089310

Junko could've been Xuán Qi, one of the wifes of Hou Yi, the ancient archery hero and possibly fallen god.
Xuán Qí conspired against Hou Yi with Han Zhuo, his chancellor, to overthrow him because of the tyrannical rule he impossed. After they murdered him they used his flesh to cook a dinner for his sons, who refused to eat him and were also killed and displayed afterwards. Sometime after, Han Zhuo married Sable Fox, having two children with her.
The spicy things just start here. There is a lot of unknown or missing information about Junko. Her "true" name, species or even son are lost.
In-game, is stated than Junko refined herself into her own fury against not only Houyi, but also Chang'e, because he killed his son Bo Feng (gluttonous pig), not needing a reason to fulfill her revenge after her refinement. Her name is formed with the "Pure Fox" kanji, and according to CoLA, naming a thing basically weakens it's existance and gives it a new meaning. As I can see it, there are two paths for the origin of the current Junko: the original wife of Houyi who refined herself into fury or the pure fury of Xuán Qi who now stands on its own.
The "pure" side of Junko is explicit, she refines parts of things: It's her ability. The "fox" part is the problem: Is (was?) she a kitsune? One could argue Xuán Qi was a huli jing or fox spirit, the kitsune equivalent in chinese lore, who was forced to marry Houyi. As in japanese legends, huli jing could be both extremely benevolent or extremely malign. By going with the "Houyi was evil" hypothesis, it's assumed he purposely killed Bo Feng and Xuán Qi took revenge. But if she was a simple human with a fox in her name and the skill to purify things, then she just wanted to avenge his son, not caring about (literally) anything but that action. After getting refined and just being Xuán Qi in name, she gained the fox tails and became a divine spirit in the form of a pure fury.
Pure furies are known in greek mythology as Erinyes, were born of the simply fact of human revenge, from the blood of Uranus and from wrongly murdered or tortured women who wanted revenge. Erinyes are also relevant to Hecate, the multi-facetic goddess(?) of Hell, crossroads, sorcery, necromancy, night/moon and magic, among other things.
It's ironic and really sad than after all the time Junko wanted to revenge, she somehow befriended the only being who could ask to or directly retrieve her son's soul, and she doesn't care about it anymore.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 24 18:24:49 2017 No.18089387 >>18087595 JUKARJ

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 00:10:56 2017 No.18090761

>>18087595
Stacojiu family is one of the noble houses in Romania during the end of Vlad Draculea Tepes III's reign. At this time, Vlad is a master of Dark magic practitioner and a powerful one to boot. Vlad managed to cast a resurrection spell on himself as an assurance against his enemies. The other nobles fear him and betrayed him in the end after he insisted ruling for a long time and continuing his campaign against the Turkish. The head of Scatojiu is the one who proposed the betrayal and persuaded the other noble houses to join him. While sending him to the hand of executioner, Vlad cursed the Stacojius and promised that one day that he will get his vengeance. And he did... years later he was resurrected but not as a human, the spell had it's own price. Of course he became a powerful dark blood-drinker sorcerer and adopted the moniker Dracula. The Scatojiu family eventually were getting massacred on their castle. Somehow he spared Remi and Flan, the head's daughters, and turned them into Vampire as a final insult to the Stacojiu's bloodline. Then Dracula was never seen again. After the family's castle was destroyed, the sister moved to the safe house that was created by their father and hide in there, which later became SDM. But Dracula gave too much power to the young Flan and as a result, she became unstable, which prompted Remi to lock her in underground basement to keep her from going ballistic.

Patchouli is one of the Johannes Trithemius young apprentice in Alchemy. She gained occult and magic knowledge from his peers (Cornelius Agrippa and Paracelsus). Her father is one of the Scatojiu's librarian and also a magic practitioner. He authored many of magic and occult-related books and placed them in Scatojiu's safe house (which became SDM latter). She joined Sakuya in search of SDM to claim her father's legacy.

Sakuya - Born japanese, her birth was said as a blessing from kami Konohana Sakuya after her parents devotion to the goddess. But after a rebellion swoop down the area and her parents died because of it, she was kidnapped by Lunarian and brought to the moon. She became a test subject for time & space-related experiment, which later she developed her own power. Eirin is one of the Lunarian scientist that observed her progress. This experiment is illegal according to the Lunarian standards so those who worked in this must do this in absolute secrecy. When the experiment was compromised by the Lunarian authorities, the participants decided to cryo-freeze her and hide her. Hundred years later, the cryo-freeze capsule ceased functioning and woke Sakuya from her deep slumber. She escaped from the Moon & the Lunarians by using one of their vehicle and crashed on the Balkan region. She was found and adopted by Abraham van Helsing, whom then trained her to become a Vampire hunter. With her time power developed and she decided to train & hone it, she became an accomplished vampire hunter and was known to never fail on her task.

During one of he tasks to hunt a certain child vampires in Romania, she was aided by Patchouli. They founded the abandoned mansion and battled against Remi and Flan. Sakuya was defeated and submitted her loyalty to the Scarlet Devil, while Patchouli still managed to stand on her own and refused to submit, even tough her illness returned on the mid of battle. Remi decided to give a new name for Sakuya, which is what we are calling her now. Patchouli was given permission from Remi to claim her library and stayed here, since she knew her father is one of Patchouli's father's friend.

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 01:02:11 2017 No.18090943

Kiyohime might be the illegitimate third daughter of Watatsuki's. She was exiled into earth when she was a baby and grew up with sealed power (only to accidentally unleashed it when chasing the monk guy). She might be stronger than her sisters. Her full name is Watatsuki no Kiyohime

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 06:34:46 2017 No.18091999
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Oh goody, I love this shit.

I think there's a subtle driving force for the cast who involved in incident of the main Window games :

>EosD
Vlad Țepeș III Drăculești/Count Dracula - Responsible for turning the Scarlet sisters into vampire.

>PCB
Saigyou Houshi/Satou Norikiyo (西行法師/佐藤義清)- Yuyuko's father, also the famous poet who died and became the embodiment of Saigyou Ayakashi Tree.

>IaMP
Yamata no Orochi/Ibuki Daimyoujin (八岐大蛇/伊吹大明神)- Suika's father. Suggest her in a dream to find the other Oni so she wouldn't be lonely.

>IN
Sanuki no Miyatsuko (讃岐造) and Fujiwara no Fuhito (藤原不比等) Kaguya's adoptive father and Mokou's father. The former persuaded Kaguya to stay at Earth (only to run away from the Moon people) while the latter provoked Mokou to drink the Elixir of Immortality in his vengeful spirit form.

>PoFV
Enmaten (焔魔天) - The Ruler of Higan and Chief Judge of Hell. Responsible for creating Shikieiki from Jizou statue and employed Komachi under her.

>MoF
Takeminakata/Kouga Saburou (建御名方/甲賀三郎)- The original Ruler of Suwa region. Also the husband of Yasakatome no Kami/Kanako as Takeminakata and Moreya no Kami/Suwako as Kouga Saburou.

>SWR
Taishakuten (帝釈天) - The Lord of Heaven and Leader of the Celestials. Responsible for giving Tenshi the Sword of Hisou so she can create an incident that results territory expansion for Heaven.

>SA
Sarutahiko (猿田毘古) - Earthly kami who lead Ninigi to the land together with Yatagarasu and the ancestor of monkey-like youkai like Satori. Responsible for trapping Yatagarasu underground that results Kanako persuading Utsuho to eat it.

>UFO
Myouren (命蓮) - Byakuren's brother and the driving force behind her quest for immortality to avoid death.

>TD
Emperor Youmei (用明天皇) - Father of Prince Shoutoku/Miko and a relative to Soga clan. Responsible for introducing Taoism to the Soga and Mononobe before Seiga Kaku came in.

>HM
Hata no Kawakatsu/Taikou Daimyoujin (秦河勝/対抗大明神)- The creator and father figure for Hata no Kokoro. Responsible for throwing away the Mask of Hope so she could stand on her own emotionally.

>DDC
Urikohime (瓜子姫) - The Princess that Shinmyoumaru sworn to protect in the past, only to get murdered accidentally by Seija.

>LoLK
Feng Meng/Houmou (逢蒙) - Hou Yi's apprentice and responsible for his death with the collaboration of Han Zhou and Xuan Qi/Junko. He's also the only one who try to rob the Elixir of Immortality from Chang'e/Jouga, resulting her drank the said Elixir and become immortal, and Junko's erratic pursue on her.

>HSiFS
Shinra Myoujin (新羅明神) - The Mysterious Deity of Miidera Temple and the main rival of Matarajin/Okina. Not wanting to lose his status as Secret God, he goaded and challenged Okina to reveal herself on Gensokyo in order to win a bet between them.

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 13:52:33 2017 No.18093943

>>18087595
Gensokyo is nothing but supernatural environmental experiment for a certain organization in Outside World called the Secret Sealing Club. It was found by Sumireko and popularized by Renko and Maribel throughout the centuries. Maribel offered herself to become the test subject of the experiment by exposing herself to Gensokyo's boundary and become it's Watcher, resulting her conversion into Yokai. The Dragon God is a machine-like being invented by the organization to create this illusion land in the beginning.

This experiment is called Touhou Project

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 13:59:05 2017 No.18093972 >>18093943 This is getting too deep for me.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 22:52:14 2017 No.18096359 >>18093943 If this shit is true...... ZUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 23:04:14 2017 No.18096408 Tsukuyomi and Amaterasu 2hus when?

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 23:10:38 2017 No.18096438

Yukari is based on an obscure youkai called Waremehime (Princess of Cracks).
It resides in the cracks of walls or rocks, and lures victims close with her voice, before swallowing them whole.

This is more of a speculation, but Satori and Koishi are probably named by Satori herself, after Koishi sealed her heart away. Satori just uses the name of the species for herself, and calls Koishi, literally a pebble, because you wouldn't notice passing by a pebble on the road.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 23:19:23 2017 No.18096480 >>18096408 Didn't zun said he didn't want to put "popular" gods because touhou would turn into SMT?

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 23:24:35 2017 No.18096491

>>18096438
Yukari actually based on four :

>The Gap Woman (隙間女)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/隙間女

>Violet Hag (紫ババア)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/紫ババア

>Koizumi Yakumo (小泉八雲)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lafcadio_Hearn
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/小泉八雲

>Murasaki Shikibu (紫式部)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murasaki_Shikibu
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/紫式部

Anonymous Mon Dec 25 23:24:47 2017 No.18096492

>>18089310
>>18091999
I really have doubts about remilia's claims to being daugther of vlad, as far I remember some years ago due curiosity I search about deceased children of royality with the same range of remi age and founded that Louis XII had several (with anne of brittany), and curiously enough two of them was separated with 5 years between (unfortunately I don't know about their sex) and only one year off of the remi and flan actual age but again that could be only a coincidency

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 23:26:49 2017 No.18096504 >>18093943 >Maribel is actually a double-agent that's working with Okina, an actual god Damn. I'd had thought the theory of Okina being the one who turned Maribel into Yukari by using her ability was deep but this sounds much deeper.

>>	Anonymous Mon Dec 25 23:56:25 2017 No.18096631 >>18087595 I would really like it if the most ancient gods of Shinto, Hitorigami, could make an appearance in Touhou.

Anonymous Tue Dec 26 00:05:41 2017 No.18096680

>The daughter of Takamimusuhi, and according to an "alternate writing" transmitted by Nihongi, the younger sister of Omoikane.

http://eos.kokugakuin.ac.jp/modules/xwords/entry.php?entryID=189
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/栲幡千千姫命

Holy shit, Eirin has a younger sister.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 00:12:49 2017 No.18096714 >>18096492 You mean this one? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_of_Brittany#Issue

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 01:01:15 2017 No.18096915 >>18091999 >Tepes meaning Vlad Tepes. >He's famous for being the model of Count Dracula and impaling twenty thousand captives and stood them by the road... >However, Remilia isn't his descendant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 01:29:46 2017 No.18097012 >>18096492 >>18096915 That's why the logical conclusion is her being turned into vampire by Count Dracula if she's not his daughter nor his descendant.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 01:43:16 2017 No.18097043 >>18097012 Or, Remi is a liar.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 03:34:25 2017 No.18097329 >>18097043 This. Remi's full of shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 07:07:07 2017 No.18097846 >>18096480 yeah because Yahweh and Shiva would dominate everybody

Anonymous Tue Dec 26 07:12:32 2017 No.18097858

>>18088731
Also this is because she rules pandaemonium, the description of her name supporting things like "bright and beautiful" or "original" in other spellings, which has several implications to Lucifer being the most beautiful angel and the first to fall.

Also makai is filled with devils and magicians and shit, god doesn't like magic so it's understandable. Shinki feels more like a very freedom loving person rather than Slaanesh though so I would suppose that it views the Satan/God thing in a greyer manner, like freedom results in repulsive shit but it's not technically bad and god is more conservative with things.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 14:53:05 2017 No.18100002 >>18097329 Remi is full of very nice things. NOT shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 18:14:18 2017 No.18100928 >>18100002 uuuuuu~

>>	Anonymous Tue Dec 26 23:11:21 2017 No.18102396 >>18096680 >The various versions are also inconsistent regarding the title of Ninigi's mother, but they agree in including elements relating to weaving, cloth, and bountiful harvests So while Eirin is a Doctor/Pharmachist, she's a Tailor/Dressmaker?

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 00:10:48 2017 No.18108826 >>18087879 >Tír na nÓg It's a fairy tale-ish place like Neverland anon. Gensokyo it's a horrible place to get lost to and the yokais ready to jump at you anywhere

>>	Anonymous Thu Dec 28 18:29:59 2017 No.18113088 >>18093943 whoa

>>	Anonymous Fri Dec 29 13:06:35 2017 No.18118404 >>18096408 Tsukuyomi exists in 2hu, but as the original god. He's in Lunar Capital now, don't where Amaterasu is (though I assume she's chillin' in the Sun)

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 01:15:09 2017 No.18122376 >>18118404 What about Susano'o?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 02:40:12 2017 No.18122601 >>18091999 Wait, is suwako and kanako based on a married couple?

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 04:16:43 2017 No.18122800 >>18122601 Kanako is married to a male? god in the Outside World. Suwako's husband is probably dead, assuming she had one and didn't just one-night stand some unsuspecting human to produce the Kochiya line.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 04:17:50 2017 No.18122804 >>18122800 I said based, as in, the base for the characters where married.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 06:27:33 2017 No.18123113 >>18122376 when you die

Anonymous Sat Dec 30 06:47:32 2017 No.18123152

The latest girls, Jo'on and Shion, are based on 80's and 90's decade in Japan, where in the former the business thrive and profit soars, but the bubble breaks in 93, causing economic crisis. In some circles, the 90s are called The Lost Decade in Japan due to this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 06:52:23 2017 No.18123165 >>18096680 Even within the context of Touhou, Eirin has to have a sibling of some sort. Remember the Watatsuki sisters are related to her, Toyohime having married into her family and being her grand niece.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 06:54:47 2017 No.18123173 >>18097012 Probably this >>18097043 Thing about Remi is it's harder to take her at face value compared to a lot of characters. She is canonically very fickle and a chuuni who likes to boast and talk herself up.

Anonymous Sat Dec 30 06:56:42 2017 No.18123177

>>18090761
You forgot that Sakuya is the actual Jack the Ripper, nickname the journalists at the time gave to a particularly bloody assassin. She hunted prostitutes in order to feed her mistress. She finally changed her tactic once the story became famous. Lots of mysterious disappearances that occurred before 2003 can actually be linked to her...

Anonymous Sat Dec 30 12:15:35 2017 No.18124356

>>18122601
>>18122800
Yes.

Kanako in legend is based on Yasakatome no Kami, Takeminakata's wife.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takeminakata#Yasakatome
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/八坂刀売神

Suwako's husband, Koga Saburo, is a main character of a folklore story Suwa Engi Emaki. He is also considered as other version of Takeminakata himself.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kōga Saburō
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/甲賀三郎

>>18123165
Yeah. This is gonna be complicated to elaborate so bear with me.

In Kojiki, Eirin/Omoikane is related to Toyotamahime/Toyohime and Tamayorihime/Yorihime because Toyohime's husband is actually her grand nephew.

Eirin/Omoikane's sister, Yorozuhatahime, married Amaterasu's son, Ame no Oshihomimi, and gave birth to Ninigi.

Then Ninigi married Konohana-sakuya, gave birth to male triplets.

The eldest son, Hoori, married to Toyotamahime/Toyohime.

Hoori and Toyotamahime/Toyohime's son, Ugayafukiaezu, married Tamayorihime/Yorihime.

For easier explanation :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_imperial_family_tree
Just look at the most above branches and ignore the Japanese Emperor's branches.

>>18123173
When she said that she is descendant of Dracula, yes, she is indeed lying as ZUN confirmed.

However she might want to hide the truth that she's just turned into vampire by Dracula himself, which is kinda implying a tragic backstory of her family.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 12:31:59 2017 No.18124443 >>18124356 Thank you for that explanation, actually now makes me wonder if Eirin's oft referred to comment about Sakuya in IN was a innocent little nod to Konohana-Sakuya being related to her.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 12:34:05 2017 No.18124452 >>18124443 Yeah, and this anon >>18090761 might give interesting history between them

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 14:52:56 2017 No.18125098 >>18123165 Totally forgot about this, you're right >>18124356 Iwanagahime didn't have descendancy?

Anonymous Sat Dec 30 15:05:32 2017 No.18125159

>>18124452
Whilst I can take at face value the bases behind the characters I think the rest afterwards veers too much into headcanon.

But since this thread is about the mythology in relation to the backgrounds and that part at least checks out pretty well with the references throughout the series.

>>	Anonymous Sat Dec 30 23:35:13 2017 No.18127997 >>18125098 >Iwanagahime didn't have descendancy? Because she's ugly and immortal >>18125159 Oh yeah, I just said it was interesting for me though

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 31 02:03:14 2017 No.18128669 >>18090761 >Stacojiu I thought the Scarlet were Frenchies or Brits?

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 31 09:13:02 2017 No.18131040 >>18128669 Brit of course. Their surname is english-sounding afterall.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 31 13:54:57 2017 No.18133339 >>18087595 The Dragon God of Gensokyo is the Yellow Dragon https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Dragon

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 31 14:43:39 2017 No.18133687 Gensokyo is actually a reality created by Yukari to entertain her in her unending eternal life. Every time someone figures this out and confronts her, she resets the world and changes the terrain. Yuuka is the only one who has any knowledge of this.

>>	Anonymous Sun Dec 31 22:15:13 2017 No.18136261 >>18133687 Nah, this twist >>18093943 is more interesting

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 1 06:44:20 2018 No.18138106 >>18133339 Or Yinglong https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yinglong

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 1 19:47:44 2018 No.18141223 >>18133339 >>18138106 Or this https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuraokami

Anonymous Tue Jan 2 05:26:59 2018 No.18143708

Every sages of Gensokyo represent each of their own species :
>Yukari - Youkai
>Okina - Deity
>Kasen - Hermitand Oni

There will be Kappa Sage, Ghost/Phantom Sage, and Undead sage, etc. in the future works. Tenma is probably the Tengu Sage and Eirin is the former Lunarian Sage.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 05:41:30 2018 No.18143751 It's a bullet rain game, what mythology are you pretending about?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 06:15:11 2018 No.18143827 >>18143751 >no fun allowed

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 06:22:52 2018 No.18143856 >>18143751 >bullet rain

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 06:27:37 2018 No.18143873 >>18143708 Most of them are youkai anyway, you don't need sages for each subdivision of youkai. Is there a tsukumogami sage, tsuchinoko sage and a poltergeist sage and a satori sage, too?

Anonymous Tue Jan 2 06:33:40 2018 No.18143892

>>18143708
Yukari was a Human Sage when she was still acting as Maribel when Okina picked her up. Her ability grew stronger as the years go by but after repeated exposure due to being near Okina, she was slowly becoming a Youkai and Okina then used ability to finally turn her into one after Maribel had fully accepted her new nature and thus they then gapped through time and created Gensokyo for the Youkai

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 06:40:13 2018 No.18143909 >>18143892 Not this shit again.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 06:50:01 2018 No.18143935 >>18143892 Why are you samefagging? >>18096504

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 07:05:23 2018 No.18143985 >>18143935 No_

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 07:53:28 2018 No.18144148 >>18143935 >>18143909 >>18143892 I like it.

Anonymous Tue Jan 2 08:07:59 2018 No.18144195

>>18143892
Some people seem really eager to make okina out to be some kind of super mastermind behind everything, even though she has done pretty much nothing to warrant this kind of reputation so far.
>Yukari was a Human Sage when she was still acting as Maribel
How original, ugh. I wish maribel was popular enough on her own without heavily depending on this yukari fanon shit.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 08:46:34 2018 No.18144318 >>18144195 >I wish maribel was popular enough on her own I mean, she still technically is though. The Yukari thing is just a bonus.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 11:59:45 2018 No.18145343 File: 32 KB, 677x606, 1424664022709.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18088706 >That filename

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 18:15:57 2018 No.18147329 >>18143873 Hopefully Sinsack Sage exists

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 2 18:31:57 2018 No.18147432 >>18147329 That would be /jp/.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 3 03:20:15 2018 No.18149713 Will we ever encounter nordic gods? We got Hecate after all.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 3 14:29:14 2018 No.18151936 The windows games are set before the events of the PC-98 games, between which several cataclysmic events happened in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 01:06:10 2018 No.18155129 >>18149713 I hope for Slavic Goddess in 2hu. Can't wait for them to get a dose of cyka blyat.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 02:06:21 2018 No.18155319 >>18124443 We also know that Sakuyahime is real and exists in the 2huverse, Mokou meets her in her chapter in CiLR

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 18:32:43 2018 No.18158717 >>18149713 >genderbent Loki 2hu I can get behind this

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 18:34:39 2018 No.18158728 >>18158717 Just give us an already female god like Freyja, Loki would just be tricking us.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 18:42:37 2018 No.18158769 >>18155129 You do realise that slavic gods are not сука блядь types, right? >>18158728 I'd prefer more nordic creatures, rather than gods.Like valkyrie or gygja.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 4 21:46:26 2018 No.18159671 File: 1.04 MB, 2000x1154, 1459077090863.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18158769 I'd love a touhou in armor and with a western sword, plus whatever ZUN thinks a helmet would equate to in the land of silly hats.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 5 02:25:57 2018 No.18160716 >>18155129 Yukari will get Baba Yaga as her rival for maximum hag-to-hag battle.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 5 05:34:35 2018 No.18161359 >>18147432 We should somehow permanently shut down /jp/ and never make it replacable so that we all go to Gensokyo, forgotten with time. See you guys there!

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 5 18:46:42 2018 No.18164750 >>18097846 Please elaborate

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 5 18:56:37 2018 No.18164789 >>18164750 faith advantage/dbz mythology powers

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 01:22:53 2018 No.18166594 >>18149713 African 2hus so everyone can get get BLACKED

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 04:21:00 2018 No.18167361 >>18149713 Since we don't know much about gods of Heaven and Hell, maybe.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 09:06:05 2018 No.18168444 >>18166594 How, considering that they would automatically be transformed into girls?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 12:48:36 2018 No.18169561 >>18168444 They're still girls, but the dick stays

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 6 13:49:20 2018 No.18169970 >>18169561 >girl >the dick stays Never happened. Ask Miko.

Anonymous Sun Jan 7 08:58:26 2018 No.18175535
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>>18091999
Additional profile for ULiL and AoCM

>ULiL
Usami Clan (宇佐美氏/宇佐見氏} - They're samurai clan differing branch of Ito clan and Kudo clan. The only known members are Usami Sadamitsu (宇佐美定満), a general of Uesugi clan, and Usami Sukemochi (宇佐美祐茂), Head of the Usami clan at Izu in Heian period. Possible ancestor of Sumireko and Renko.

>AoCM
Kisshōten (吉祥天) and Kokuanten (黒闇天) - The original Goddess Fortune/Blessing and Misfortune/Disaster. Both sisters are mother figure of Jo'on and Shion respectively. Tired of of their daughters always messing around, they told them to take a vacation in Gensokyo and attend Primsriver + Raiko concert. Little did they know, that their daughters already hatched a plan for having their own fun in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 09:11:45 2018 No.18182564 >>18090943 >Kiyohime changed into a Dragon when she's pissed >Toyotamahime true form is a Dragon when Hoori peeked at her Holy shit

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 8 21:26:58 2018 No.18185908 >>18175535 Actually, the story of Kisshoten and Kokuanten is the base for Joon and Shion themselves

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 02:06:45 2018 No.18187082 >>18093943 What about the Moon? Are they part of the experiment too?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 09:08:32 2018 No.18188648 >>18187082 The Lunarians are time-traveling scientists from the future

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 12:18:57 2018 No.18189397 >>18124356 Where would Kotoamatsukami in that chart? Narutards somewhat has a japanese mythology premise behind Uchiha's sharingan.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 9 20:57:16 2018 No.18191799 >>18189397 Takagi no Kami or Takamimusubi is one of Kotoamatsunokami in that chart. He's the single parent of Omoikane and Yorozuhatahime.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 10 00:58:40 2018 No.18192898 >>18124356 So wouldn't that make the moonbitches water dragons and Watatsumi daugthers? Isn't Watatsumi the sea dragon Iku serves?

Anonymous Wed Jan 10 01:48:54 2018 No.18193089

>>18192898
Yes, the sisters are the daughter of Watatsumi's. However, Watatsumi is not the same Dragon that once create Gensokyo, he's exclusively the ruler of the Dragon Palace on the Moon. The one Iku serves is the Dragon God of Gensokyo itself, which it's name and origin might be one of these >>18133339 >>18138106 >>18141223

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 10 05:58:55 2018 No.18193863 >>18155129 very trustworthy mansemat 2hu when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 10 12:06:12 2018 No.18195408 >>18193863 We already have Yukari

Anonymous Wed Jan 10 15:59:24 2018 No.18196301

Personal conspiracy theory: Sagume is the goddess who convinced Houyi to shoot Junko's kid. Sagume is based partly on the goddess Amanosagume, who orders a divine pheasant to be killed in the Kojiki, and it's easy to transition from "hey Amanowakahiko, why don't you go shoot this divine messenger bird?" to "hey Houyi, why don't you go shoot this other divine messenger bird?"

Second layer of conspiracy: this was such a major sin that it turned the whole universe against her, resulting in her "ability" and status as the proto-amanojaku.

Third layer of conspiracy: that event made Sagume into the goddess of shooting shit you really shouldn't have, so she later had a hand in the mistletoe spear that did in Baldr and the assassination of JFK. This is also the reason she was easily able to convince the protagonists to go shoot down Junko.

Anonymous Wed Jan 10 17:45:06 2018 No.18196865

Koizumi Yakumo (former Lafcadio Hearn) was greek, like Hecate, goddess of boundaries and crossroads. Can't really connect these two, however. I find no solid link between all the characters who can manipulate or travel between spaces.

>>18196301
1. It's stated that the killing was due to the "evil gift" of Chang'e
3. The protagonists followed Sagume's instructions to stop the purification of Gensokyo by dealing with the Lunarian enemy, nothing more.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 11 05:58:51 2018 No.18200048 >>18090761 >Patchouli >Alchemist

Anonymous Thu Jan 11 07:45:01 2018 No.18200426
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Tenshi's titles are Girl of the Sphere of Neither Perception nor Non-Perception (SWR) and
Young Mistress of Bhavāgra (DS). Both refer to the highest sphere of the Formless Realm (Ārūpyadhātu), that realm being the highest of the heavens of Devas(gods) (higher that Form Realms, which are higher than Desire Realms ). It's called Formless because entities that exist in that realm have no physical form at all, so gods of the Formless Realm do not have any location in space (nor do the heavens they inhabit).

Tenshi, though, obviously has a form, so it's mostly a joke by ZUN, Her appearance is based on a Deva of the Desire realm, most likely the Heaven of Thirty Three, or something of that order.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 11 07:57:40 2018 No.18200451 >>18200426 Maybe that's why Tenshi has a form, she's immature and not enlightened like the other Celestials, whom enlightened and thus became Formless.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 11 08:03:46 2018 No.18200473 Does Yukari have any other connection to Susanoo other than the yakumo poem?

Anonymous Thu Jan 11 08:03:52 2018 No.18200474

>>18200451
That could be a funny explanation of why we only see Tenshi in Gensokyo, and not any other Celestials (though in SWR ending we actually see Tenshi's servants, presumably lesser Devas), but I don' t think it works this way. ZUN probably just liked the ideas of "Highest Heaven" and "Neither Perception not Non-Percention", but otherwise modelled Tenshi on the kind of Deva that would actually interact with the surface world.

Anonymous Thu Jan 11 09:26:06 2018 No.18200677

>>18200473
Apparently there's a lot of shrines named Yakumo-jinja in Japan. It worships Gion Shinko, the syncretized form of Susanoo and Gozu Tenno (The Ox Deity). The reason why the shrine was built it because of the poem itself.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/八雲神社

Also there's a famous poet named Yakumo Mishou (八雲御抄) who lived in Kamakura era. But I don't know if there's a connection between him and Susanoo's poet.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/八雲御抄

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 11 12:15:47 2018 No.18201316 >>18200426 >>18200451 >>18200474 More info here : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_(Buddhism)

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 11 19:39:23 2018 No.18203590 >>18201316 I know that Celestial is poisonous for Yokai, but if a human eats Celeastial meat, will he/she ascended and become demi-deva?

Anonymous Thu Jan 11 21:52:15 2018 No.18204301

>>18200451
In Buddhist lore devas of the formless realms are not enlightened beings.

>>18200474
According to A9,
>Celestials are hermits who have long pursued ascetic knowledge, but they can be divided into those who have achieved immortality and ascended to heaven, and those who have attained enlightenment and entered Nirvana after death.
>The former have physical bodies, so they can appear on earth with ease, but the latter cannot descend from Heaven without borrowing somebody's body.
Everything said here about the latter category is nonsense, but that aside, Tenshi's family history indicates that they are more like the former type in the first place (they haven't become Celestials thanks to ascetic practice, but have been "promoted" by gods). Nothing actually links Tenshi to formless realms aside from her title. I suggest that this is an effect of her chuuni side, similar to Remilia's chuuni side and wild claims.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 12 14:01:10 2018 No.18207846 >>18204301 >In Buddhist lore devas of the formless realms are not enlightened beings. What's the difference? I though they need to be enlightened first before they become formless?

Anonymous Fri Jan 12 14:28:13 2018 No.18207928

>>18207846
From Buddhist perspective, no. Various levels of Heavens basically correspond to levels of meditative concentration (once you achieve a certain dhyana you have planted causes for rebirth in the corresponding heavenly realm). However, these practices are not exclusively Buddhist, non-Buddhists can reach those levels too.For example, Buddha's teacher (the yogi under whom he studied before he set out to achieve enlightenment on his own) reached the highest absorbtion and was reborn in Bhavagra. However he did not achieve enlightenment, because he did not prctive with correct motivation and view. So, once his (cosmic-tier) lifespan ends in that realm, he will be reborn somewhere else.

In other words, heavenly realms are still part of Samsara (conditioned existence), while Enlightenment and Nirvana mean cessation of Samsara.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 13 00:40:04 2018 No.18210818 >>18207928 Ah I see, thanks for the information

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 13 00:50:14 2018 No.18210852 >>18096491 >Murasaki Shikibu Huh. That could be interesting besides Yukari-Maribel theory

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 13 23:33:07 2018 No.18217112 >>18087595 I see Yukari, Shinki, and probably Iku in that pic, but who the hell are the rest?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 14 08:14:31 2018 No.18218846 >>18217112 Probably some OCs, that pic probably made before the introduction of Kasen and Okina as one of the Sages.

Anonymous Sun Jan 14 21:03:47 2018 No.18223286
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>>18087595
>Suika = Shuten Dōji (酒呑童子)
>Kasen = Ibaraki Dōji (茨木童子)
>Yūgi = Hoshiguma Dōji (星熊童子)
>Konngara = Kongara Dōji (矜羯羅童子)

The first three are the famous Oni and a part of Big Four with Suika as the leader, while the last one, Konngara, is a reformed Yaksha (Buddhist Oni) by submitting herself to Wisdom King Fūdō Myōō (不動明王) with another Yaksha, Seitaka Dōji (制た迦童子)

There's two member of Big Four Oni that we haven't seen yet : Torakuma Dōji (虎熊童子) and Kanaguma Dōji (金熊童子). The former has a motif of Tiger while the latter has a motif of Metal/Gold (Yūgi herself is associated to Star motif).

I just hope one of them has a ability to Manipulate Fire since that is a one of Oni association with nature element. The other nature element association with youkai are Tengu with the ability to manipulate wind, as proven by Aya, and Kappa with the ability to manipulate water, as proven by Nitori.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 10:24:45 2018 No.18226574 >>18223286 >Suika >Kasen >Yuugi >Torakuma >Kanaguma There's five of them? Unless you don't count Suika as one of the four, but as a center leader of the four.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 12:20:18 2018 No.18227060 >>18093943 Renko developed the theory necessary to travel between parallel worlds and Maribel was selected to be the first test subject.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 18:28:18 2018 No.18229298 >>18226574 The wiki counts Suika as one of the four though

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 15 19:57:16 2018 No.18229857 >>18229298 >Trusting touhou wiki as the source

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 07:16:44 2018 No.18232684 >>18093943 I imagine the final game of Touhou where you play as Yukari and confronting Old Renko on the most end of the stage

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 11:43:11 2018 No.18234049 >>18223286 >Yaksha >Buddhist Oni Rakshasa

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 11:47:54 2018 No.18234068 >>18234049 >Rakshasa It's Rasetsu (羅刹) in Japan. What's the difference between Yaksha and Rasetsu anyways?

Anonymous Tue Jan 16 12:05:26 2018 No.18234181

>>18234068
Yakshas' are spirits of nature.They can be wicked or virtuous, depending on their own decisions.
Rakshasas',with epithets such as "man-eaters", "frauders" and "bringers of all evil", can't jain enlightenment and the only reason for their existence is to corrupt and destroy.Even though there's a lot of uncertainty about Asuras, rakshasas were always considered the embodiment of evil in both India and Lanka.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 17:41:41 2018 No.18235815 >>18234181 So Yakshas are more like the fairies and Rakshasa are more like the Onis?

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 16 20:28:58 2018 No.18236619 >>18234181 Any idea of who or what is the hakurei god?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 17 01:09:23 2018 No.18237984 >>18234181 Asura are said demi-god human who have a penchant for fighting and war.

Anonymous Wed Jan 17 02:17:35 2018 No.18238246

>>18235815
Yakshas are more like Yuuka.Before the creation of vedas indians used to include yakshas' in their, let's say, pantheon.The closest thing to a yakshas' in western mythology are creatures like Pan or Leshy: not really a god but extremely powerful in their own dominion.
Picture of oni came from rakshasa so yeah.
>>18237984
More like another breed of gods.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 09:24:10 2018 No.18245002 >>18087595 The lack of Momotaro and Kintaro in 2hu is surprising

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 18 18:28:51 2018 No.18246888 >>18238246 >Yakshas are more like Yuuka So they are like Youkais?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 11:55:32 2018 No.18250542 >>18245002 That's nothing compared to lack of Nurarihyon, the famous leader of the youkais.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 12:06:47 2018 No.18250601 File: 394 KB, 853x1200, 1507150318030.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] So, who is this guy and why was he bigger deal than Eirin?

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 13:13:13 2018 No.18250864

>>18096491
>Murasaki Shikibu is a descriptive name; her personal name is unknown, but she may have been Fujiwara no Takako
Why is it that deep Touhou lore always comes back to the Fujiwara Clan? Is this why Mokou started appearing in fighters recently at the same time ZUN decided to start having an overarching plot?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 13:20:42 2018 No.18250891 >>18122804 The basis for the characters ARE the characters.

Anonymous Fri Jan 19 13:40:43 2018 No.18250988

>>18151936
I could see it. Yuuka had to retreat to the dream worlds with Doremy's help. PC-98 Reimu is a descendant of Windows Reimu, but is far less of a savant when it comes to, well, everything. Thus she relies on the hakurei orbs far more and needs Genji to fly.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 13:41:56 2018 No.18250994 >>18169970 You think someone who secretly wants to kill poor people can be trusted? Miko clearly has a dick, the signs are all there.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 13:48:24 2018 No.18251025 >>18200048 Yeah? She uses the five alchemical elements, and beyond that he ultimate spell card is literally "Philosopher's Stone".

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 19 13:53:21 2018 No.18251052 >>18250601 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daikokuten He's a god of wealth and prosperity with heavy focus on fortunes so it's not surprising Tewi would be pumping his tires.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 02:34:08 2018 No.18254860 >>18251052 Alright, what about the line that he's able to make better medicine than Eirin? True or Tewi just pulled that out of her ass?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 03:18:42 2018 No.18255014 File: 1.88 MB, 2500x2500, 1516414932257.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18124356 Here's the complete chart tree for Shinto Deities and it's relation to the 2hus. Now if someone can translate this.

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 04:30:08 2018 No.18255300 >>18250994 >You think someone who secretly wants to kill poor people can be trusted? Absolutely

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 20 14:07:40 2018 No.18258370 >>18255014 So Izanagi and Izanami are different kind from the Kotoatmatsu no kami or what?

Anonymous Sat Jan 20 14:28:32 2018 No.18258504

>>18250994
>secretly wants to kill poor people
She doesn't want to kill them, she wants them to disappear altogether. To stop being a thing. Also, it's not poor people, but rather those who refuse to better themselves.

Of course the thorny part is many poor people literally can't afford to better themselves (in Miko's understanding, anyway). So some irony remains.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 00:53:19 2018 No.18261764 >>18254860 she was literally just bragging to other rabbits and eirin is the god of knowledge, yes she pulled it out of her ass

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 01:01:39 2018 No.18261791 >>18258370 Izanami and Izanagi aren't Kotoamatsukami but the next generation of gods, Kamiyonanayo. They did spring out of nothingness though.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 08:36:01 2018 No.18263350 >>18255014 So some of 2hus has familial relation huh

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 18:18:33 2018 No.18266621 >>18261791 So they exist after Earth is created?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 18:25:54 2018 No.18266677 >>18091999 I recall in CiLR Mokou was provoked to drink the elixir by the goddess of Immortality when she attempted to steal it from the soldier.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 18:42:53 2018 No.18266764 >>18090761 The bit about Patchouli doesn't make sense considering she is much younger than Remilia. Remilia is around 500~ years old while Patchouli is around 100~ years.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 20:52:47 2018 No.18267367 >>18266764 >Patchouli is around 100~ years. Sauce?

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 21 20:53:55 2018 No.18267373 >>18266677 Is truly a Goddess? Or is it just apparation in disguise?

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 21:48:09 2018 No.18267625

>>18267367
彼女は、生粋の魔法使いであり、既に百年以上生きているという。
She is a natural-born magician, and it is said she has lived for over a hundred years.
百年間のうちの殆どを本を読んで暮らしているというから驚きである。
Astonishingly, it is also said she has spent most of those hundred years reading books.

-PMiSS

This can be read more as around 100 years rather than at least 100. And yes, PMiSS can be considered having inaccuracies due to it being from Akyuu's perspective and knowledge. Though, most of these inaccuracies come from youkai 'boasting up' their own ability. Take that as you will. I can't definitively say she couldn't be that old, but from this, I see it as not very likely.

>>18267373
Chapter 4 of CitLR.
Mokou not only sees this goddess, but Kiene confirms her identity as well. This goddess even had a shit flinging contest with her sister regarding their respective mountains. Was there some sort of information that indicated that indicated something otherwise?

Anonymous Sun Jan 21 23:39:49 2018 No.18268094

I don't have access to sources right now and just mainly bringing the topic up for discussion, but I am quite sure that ZUN's version of Heaven (in Touhou) is an amalgamation of both Buddhist and Daoist concepts.

Celestials had been said to be another form of Hermits and both Kasen and Miko aimed to become one later on. This would make perfect sense if we not only see them as Devas but as also a form of Xian, which is why Tenshi is physical rather than formless.

I forgot what other arguments I had about the topic, but this is also concurrent with Tenshi's choice of literary and scriptural quotations in SWR.

Might be pretty obvious, but I think just how much the concept of ZUN's Celestials being influenced by Daoist beliefs isn't discussed that often.

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 00:50:19 2018 No.18268303 >>18235815 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yaksha

>>	Anonymous Mon Jan 22 07:34:14 2018 No.18269665 >>18266621 After the universe was created, but effectively that's probably the same thing.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 23 09:14:29 2018 No.18273204 >>18268094 So Gensokyo's Celestial is a combination of Xian/Hermit and Deva?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 00:38:46 2018 No.18278077 >>18091999 >Sarutahiko Isn't he the ancestor of the Tengus?

Anonymous Wed Jan 24 01:33:18 2018 No.18278328

>>18273204
There's also how Heaven's peaches are seemingly inspired by (if not the exact same thing as) the Peaches of Immortality (仙桃), which were closely associated with the Eight Immortals. Though I wonder for this part if I didn't just misread things and missed a Japanese or Buddhist folklore regarding peaches of longevity.

It solves quite a few of the inconsistencies regarding the state of Touhou's Heaven and its supposed state, however it does leaves some questions on where the line between the Buddhist concepts and Taoist concepts lies. For all I know, the Buddhist names are just names and it's fully the Taoist interpretation up there.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 04:10:34 2018 No.18278815 >>18278328 I thought Peach of Immortality is belong to Xi Wangmu, The Heavenly Queen of the West?

Anonymous Wed Jan 24 06:50:57 2018 No.18279324

>>18278815
Hence I said inspired by rather than saying Heaven's peaches are the same exact thing (the effects are also noticeably lesser than Xi Wangmu's Peaches of Immortality). Though I didn't discount the possibility that ZUN intended them to be the same thing.

Anonymous Wed Jan 24 09:43:39 2018 No.18279884

>>18279324
>Xi Wangmu

>A goddess in Chinese religion and mythology, also worshipped in neighbouring Asian countries, and attested from ancient times. The first historical information on her can be traced back to oracle bone inscriptions of the fifteenth century BC that record sacrifices to a "Western Mother". Even though these inscriptions illustrate that she predates organized Taoism, she is most often associated with Taoism. From her name alone some of her most important characteristics are revealed: she is royal, female, and is associated with the west.

>The Queen Mother of the West usually is depicted holding court within her palace on the mythological Mount Kunlun, usually supposed to be in western China (a modern Mount Kunlun is named after this). Her palace is believed to be a perfect and complete paradise, where it was used as a meeting place for the deities and a cosmic pillar where communications between deities and humans were possible. At her palace she was surrounded by a female retinue of prominent goddesses and spiritual attendants. Although not definite there are many beliefs that her garden had a special orchard of longevity peaches which would ripen once every three thousand years, others believe though that her court on Mount Kunlun was nearby to the orchard of the Peaches of Immortality. No matter where the peaches were located, the Queen Mother of the West is widely known for serving peaches to her guests, which would then make them immortal. She normally wears a distinctive headdress with the Peaches of Immortality suspended from it.

Holy shit, if Touhou have the absolute final boss in the entire series, this woman might be a good candidate.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 09:47:42 2018 No.18279901 >>18279884 >She normally wears a distinctive headdress with the Peaches of Immortality suspended from it. so Tenshi on steroids?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 09:51:53 2018 No.18279920 File: 46 KB, 390x480, Xi Wangmu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18279901 Yes. If you look for the amalgamation of the 2hus, it will be this woman.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 09:54:16 2018 No.18279931 >>18279920 Hello future Seiga.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 09:56:03 2018 No.18279942 File: 91 KB, 500x424, xiwangmu.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18279931 More like Seiga + Junko

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 09:59:32 2018 No.18279954 >>18279942 We already got Junko v2. It would be weird to get another one.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 10:01:54 2018 No.18279963 File: 37 KB, 500x333, 4d6511c5hae764c203aca&690.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] >>18279954 I told you that she is an amalgation. So she will be Seiga + Junko + Yukari + Okina

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 10:18:38 2018 No.18280036 >>18279963 I don't think ZUN would design her with tabard. That's why I mentioned Seiga. But who knows.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 10:47:34 2018 No.18280185 >>18279884 ZUN isn't going to give us the big boy gods like The Lord of Heaven or Shiva so that's what you'll have to settle for, although I don't think she has enough faith as a goddess to compete with someone like Hecatia in modern times.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 16:51:23 2018 No.18281598 Here's a really important question. Are Satori's inhumanely short arms canon?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 21:52:04 2018 No.18283064 >>18280185 Isn't Eiren one of the big boys though? She's even older than Izanagi, The Creator God of Japan.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 24 22:19:10 2018 No.18283219 >>18283064 She's one of the big boys but isn't actually that relevant in the myths. Think of her like one of the less-mentioned Protogenoi from Greek myth.

Anonymous Thu Jan 25 01:43:17 2018 No.18284283

>>18283064
She might be old, but age doesn't have much relation to power for a god, faith does. And I don't know if Lunarians are actual gods or are just interpreted as gods. After all, Hecatia should be stronger than her and she's not the most famous greek god.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 25 02:56:23 2018 No.18284547 >>18284283 >And I don't know if Lunarians are actual gods or are just interpreted as gods Yorihime literally channels her extended family.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 25 03:22:48 2018 No.18284627 >>18284283 ZUN's LoLK interview in SCoOW already confirmed that Lunarians are really supposed to be gods.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 25 03:50:38 2018 No.18284707 >>18284627 Not that this was ever actually in question, it's just that it wasn't common knowledge in the english-speaking fandom for a long time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 25 05:28:06 2018 No.18285014 >>18284627 But they are also descendants of "humans"?

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 25 08:03:42 2018 No.18285530 >>18284547 >>18284627 So Amaterasu and the likes live on the Moon? Strange that she was supposed to be the Goddess of Sun

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 25 11:10:21 2018 No.18286289 >>18285530 I kinda doubt it. I don't think Ammy has good enough relation with her siblings to stay in Tsukyomi's place.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 25 15:13:42 2018 No.18287425 >>18286289 >>18285530 And that'd mean Hecatia is more powerful than her, which I doubt.

>>	Anonymous Thu Jan 25 17:13:14 2018 No.18287888 File: 749 KB, 1200x888, Blazblue Susano'o.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] What would Susano'o in Touhou be like?

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>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 13:38:36 2018 No.18292999 >>18286289 So what kind of heavenly gods that live on the Moon?

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 14:00:04 2018 No.18293079 [DELETED]

>>18251052
>>18250601
>>18254860
>>18261764
You're actually wrong, it's a common mistake. Tewi isn't talking about Daikokuten.

Lord Daikoku/Daikoku-sama is actually another name for 'Okuninushi' who is the god of medicine, nation building and business. It has more significance being he is famous for saving and healing the White Hare of Inaba (who Tewi is) from certain death. So what Tewi is saying is she is vouching for Daikoku from first hand experience.

The mistake here is understandable as Daikokuten and Okuninushi are pretty closely entwined but they are addressed differently and still different beings.

It's pretty much confirmed near the end by Yukari when talking to Toyohime since Okuninushi is pretty much the posterboy of the Kunitsukami who are the archenemies of the Amatsukami (The Lunarians) but were defeated and banished to the Earth.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 14:03:10 2018 No.18293091

>>18251052
>>18250601
>>18254860
>>18261764
You're actually wrong, it's a common mistake. Tewi isn't talking about Daikokuten.

Lord Daikoku/Daikoku-sama is actually another name for 'Okuninushi' who is the god of medicine, nation building and business. It has more significance being he is famous for saving and healing the White Hare of Inaba (who Tewi is) from certain death. So what Tewi is saying is she is vouching for Daikoku from first hand experience. As someone who knows both Omoikane (Eirin) and Okuninushi (Daikoku) she is qualified to say Eirin isn't all she is hyped up to be.

The mistake here is understandable as Daikokuten and Okuninushi are pretty closely entwined but they are addressed differently and still different beings.

It's pretty much confirmed near the end by Yukari when talking to Toyohime since Okuninushi is pretty much the posterboy of the Kunitsukami who are the archenemies of the Amatsukami (The Lunarians) but were defeated and banished to the Earth.

Anonymous Fri Jan 26 14:17:50 2018 No.18293148

>>18286289
Yeah. Traditionally Amaterasu is utterly disgusted with Tsukuyomi, if anything she'd be an staunch enemy of the Lunar capital.

>>18287425
>>18285530
Hecatia would technically be comrade in arms with Amaterasu technically. Remember Junko hates the Lunarians for killing her son, Hecatia hates Lunarians because the shooting of the suns inadvertedly hurt her she is a reflection of the sun.

If you throw Amaterasu into the mix in Touhouverse the Lunarians just straight up tried to murder her in light of the previous setting.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 14:52:43 2018 No.18293295 >>18293091 So, Eirin is a jobber?

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 15:19:28 2018 No.18293404 >>18293295 Considering the entire plotline of SSiB/CitLR, I would say yes.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 15:41:00 2018 No.18293474 >>18293295 Maybe that's why she has white hair.

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 16:23:10 2018 No.18293632 >>18293148 The there's Apollo and Helios

>>	Anonymous Fri Jan 26 22:05:11 2018 No.18295145 >>18293148 Oh, actually that reminds me. Is the goddess that Tsukyomi killed due to puking and shitting food have any relations to Minoriko, either by inspiration or whatnot?

>>	Anonymous Sat Jan 27 13:42:39 2018 No.18298703 >>18295145 Uke Mochi? Nope she doesn't have relationship with Minoriko as she is a Goddess of Prepared Food while the latter is a Goddess of Raw Harvest.

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 01:57:34 2018 No.18301772 >>18293632 There's also Hyperion

>>	Anonymous Sun Jan 28 18:20:03 2018 No.18305357 >>18290120 >Susanoo >Resembles Tengu, which they not even have connection of. I don't know what Kishimoto thinking

Anonymyon Sun Jan 28 19:40:07 2018 No.18305754

Okay, who's talking shit about Kiyo-chan as a Lunarian? Especially without mentioning she's the main mythical basis for Parsee? The story of her vengeance, that's the most enduring legend of Hashihime there is.

Oh, and we're talking Susano-o, as well? Well then, let's not forget that his wife Kushinada-hime is the basis for our own Minoriko Aki. Yet another reason not to anger the harvest god.

And finally, I do agree with the idea of Sarutahiko-no-Okami being lord of all Earth Spirits, but also note, he has links to the Tengu as well, and is even referenced in Aya's spells.

Anonymous Mon Jan 29 07:38:58 2018 No.18307820

>>18305754
>Okay, who's talking shit about Kiyo-chan as a Lunarian? Especially without mentioning she's the main mythical basis for Parsee? The story of her vengeance, that's the most enduring legend of Hashihime there is.

Kiyohime is not associated with a Bridge, Hashihime is. Kiyohime is associated with Temple Bell and Dragon, and I don't see Parsee can morph into Dragon.

Kiyohime has a possibility of being one of the Watatsuki's because Toyotama-hime, the basis of Toyohime, can morph into a Sea Dragon as well in the legend.

>Oh, and we're talking Susano-o, as well? Well then, let's not forget that his wife Kushinada-hime is the basis for our own Minoriko Aki. Yet another reason not to anger the harvest god.

Susanoo and Minoriko Aki are entirely different topic. That's why I said Minoriko can't be Uke Mochi because she's the Goddess of Raw Harvest like Kushinada-hime.

>And finally, I do agree with the idea of Sarutahiko-no-Okami being lord of all Earth Spirits, but also note, he has links to the Tengu as well, and is even referenced in Aya's spells.

Yes, that's why he probably resides inside the Youkai Mountain, which is connected to Tengu and Underground Spirits.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 00:38:51 2018 No.18312083 >>18301772 Isn't he just a Titan?

Anonymyon Tue Jan 30 06:09:52 2018 No.18313074

>>18307820
Well, the Watatsuki and the gods they represent have actual dragon ancestry, as well as divine. In the tale of Kiyohime, she was simply a woman transformed by wrath.

Isn't there also another god of the Youkai Mountain from Mokou's story in CiLR? The god of eternity?

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 06:46:58 2018 No.18313150

>>18305357
All of Kishimoto's references are just a scratch over the name and connection between them.

>>18292999
>>18285014
No, Lunarians are descendants from or the first, heaven kind of japanese kami themselves living in Earth and then moving to the Moon just after the former started to became impure (harboring life and enabling death).

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 08:48:33 2018 No.18313613 Best touhou thread in jp right now

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 10:09:14 2018 No.18313914

>>18313074
>Well, the Watatsuki and the gods they represent have actual dragon ancestry, as well as divine. In the tale of Kiyohime, she was simply a woman transformed by wrath.

yeah, but they usually morphed into jealous female Oni (the mask Hannya represents this).

This one is unique, like, how much can you be so pissed enough that you've transformed into a fucking Dragon and not even Monk's prayer or Temple's Bell can stop you?

>Isn't there also another god of the Youkai Mountain from Mokou's story in CiLR? The god of eternity?
Yes, and her name is Iwanaga-hime. Immortal and powerful, but ugly as rock according to Ninigi, whom chose to marry her more beautiful sister, Konohana Sakuya, instead.

That's why there's a term "Human lives are said to be short and fleeting, like the sakura blossoms, instead of enduring and long lasting, like stones."
This is because the human's ancestor prefer to marry the short-lived beauty rather than the long-lived ugly rock.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 10:34:06 2018 No.18314001 How you make a touhou game set around greek mythology? All the characters have to be girls, and lore friendly.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 12:06:49 2018 No.18314378 >>18313613 I'd agree if not for the fact that some people are straight up giving misinformation and people not correcting them.

>>	Anonymous Tue Jan 30 18:01:30 2018 No.18315928 >>18314378 How do you know what's right and wrong info in here? Why don't you try correct it?

Anonymous Tue Jan 30 19:35:41 2018 No.18316341

>>18315928
I've already corrected misinformation that I was aware of, but that was information that people had been accepting for a while until I corrected it.

As for other things, that's the issue. I don't know everything. I don't know what else is misinformation and what is factual. I don't mean to sound condescending, considering people who are putting genuine thought into this. Unless people are citing sources from canon/thing's outright confirmed and not making conjecture, it makes it hard to differentiate between what is true and isn't.

That said, a lot of people are giving lots of cool information that I was able to verify with some quick searches. I'm really loving a lot of this discussion. I don't mean to sound like a snob. I just don't want misinformation perpetuated.

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 00:17:55 2018 No.18317563 >>18314001 Be good at music and have the ability to genderbent all the cast without turning them into moeblob (the more asshole the girls, the better they are)

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 00:35:57 2018 No.18317622 >>18314001 Hecatia and Clownpiece are greek, aren't they?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 07:28:27 2018 No.18319036 >>18317563 Venus true slut 2h when?

>>	Anonymous Wed Jan 31 18:12:50 2018 No.18321710 >>18317622 Yeah, but can't hurt for more occidental deities though.

Anonymous Wed Jan 31 19:32:05 2018 No.18322040

>>18285530
>>18286289

From LoLK Sanae's ending:

'Back at the Moriya Shrine, Sanae is busy writing her report to Kanako Yasaka about what happened. After she finished, Kanako read Sanae's report, which was only 80% true. When they finished talking about the report, the conversation quickly turned into one about Sagume Kishin, with Kanako saying if she's the Sagume, then the lunarians are akin to the heavenly gods. Afterwards, Kanako went into thinking. Since some of the lunarians had divine lineages, and they were going to come down to Earth (although reluctantly), it would be like the second coming of the Divine Emperor. Although Sanae didn't know this, a native god preventing such an event deserved to be praised. Kanako then though, "This girl really does have it in her".'

Anonymous Wed Jan 31 21:59:44 2018 No.18322745

>>18088706
>Well, starting with the newbie, Okina is based on the god Matara-Jin, and Eternity is apparently based on a caterpillar cult-god.
Okina goes further back, which explains why she is so powerful. She started out as Japanese Standing-Stones that guards villages, and arguably one of the first deities Japan worships before Shinto was a thing.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 1 00:40:01 2018 No.18323419 >>18322745 Any articles regarding these standing stones? I think this is the first time I heard anything about Okina's relation to something like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 2 02:24:26 2018 No.18329348 >>18323419 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dōsojin http://www.onmarkproductions.com/html/dosojin-stone-markers.shtml

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 2 08:51:20 2018 No.18330547 >>18245002 There's Urashima Taro references in SSiB though

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 3 00:33:56 2018 No.18334783 >>18096680 The Goddesses Umugaihime and Kisagaihime are the first disciple of Eirin http://eos.kokugakuin.ac.jp/modules/xwords/entry.php?entryID=167

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 4 00:16:46 2018 No.18340621 >>18322040 Is Kanako herself a heavenly deity?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 4 08:43:12 2018 No.18342457 >>18340621 No, she's a Shinto deity, like Suwako

Anonymous Sun Feb 4 18:35:37 2018 No.18345358
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Apparently there's a background story between Hata Kawakatsu (Kokoro) and Larva (Tokoyo no Kami) :

The cult of Tokoyo already exists since year 644 in Suruga province. It was lead by a (pic-related) shaman named Ōbe no Ō (大生部多). The moment this cult spread to the Capital, it caused chaos among the society since the cult member sell their own property to this cult, regardless of their well-being. Hata no Kawakatsu take it as a duty to subdue destroy the cult (Probably under the orders of Matarajin aka Okina).

Source:
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/大生部多

Anonymous Sun Feb 4 19:09:47 2018 No.18345513

>>18097846
Creator gods like YHWH or Brahmin would be absolutely bullshit. If Catholicism found its way into Gensokyo, you'd be seeeing a real holy war, unlike the shitflinging that we got with Buddhism and Taoism coming along as Christianity can only accept the belief in the one Abrahamic god and leaves no room for anyone else.

Female Jesus 2hu would be really neat though, and it'd be pretty cool to see all sorts of Saints and noteworthy angels as 2hus. Maybe a Nephilim 2hu too. There's not enough giants in Gensokyo.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 4 19:23:45 2018 No.18345558 >>18342457 They're all Shinto; Suwako is Kunitsukami. Kanako is also existentially different from Suwako in that Suwako is purely faith-based while Kanako has origin as a divine spirit.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 4 19:30:06 2018 No.18345579 >>18345558 >Suwako in that Suwako is purely faith-based while Kanako has origin as a divine spirit Where is the difference? Kanako was a human like Junko?

Anonymyon Sun Feb 4 22:18:28 2018 No.18346247

True that both are Shinto deities, but there's three types of them. There is Amatsukami, the gods of Heaven, which are conflated with Lunarians. There is Kunitsukami, the gods of the Earth, which are beings like Minoriko. And then there are the spirits of all things, the Myriad Gods, of which Shinrei, or divine spirits, are those people which are praised to become proper deities.

For Kanako, she is based from the Amatsukami named Yasakatome, but has also been said to be as a Shinrei by Akyuu and ZUN.

Anonymous Sun Feb 4 23:21:36 2018 No.18346512

>>18345358
Hata no Kawakatsu is also often associated with Matarajin him(her)self, being seen as one of his incarnation or even pretty much him in person. This is referenced in some Matara's spellcards and ZUN's interviews also made the connection to be intentional.

Where will ZUN take this to is anyone's guess.

Anonymous Mon Feb 5 00:12:06 2018 No.18346716

>>18345579
>>18346247
Kanako is based partly on Yasakatome (i.e. in name) but mostly on Suwa-Myojin.

Understanding that there's a difference between the myriad gods and divine spirits worshiped as gods, the natural question that follows is why Kanako is a divine spirit while Suwako is a myriad god. This is what leads into the discussion of the nature of those two myths; the old native Suwa god was Moreya, who did not have some sort of clear historical origin (i.e. just kind of made up by locals because reasons); meanwhile the god Suwa-Myojin worshiped in Suwa and said to have defeated Moreya is now identified as Takeminakata. "Suwa-Myojin" has a couple additional stories of origin as its own thing depending on region and time period, and Takeminakata is full of chunky historical conflation, being intrinsically tied to the Yamato rule, which was of course political and very human.

Also included in this is the fact that in the Suwa region itself, the god "Takeminakata" was basically never historically worshiped as such, and instead it's the Mishaguji that were commonly the target of worship and active role in rituals. This is alluded to by ZUN by having Kanako being "unable to control" the Mishaguji, which were the main cultural targets of reverence and fear at the time, and having Suwako be the one to control the Mishaguji while Kanako takes the face of leading the region. This is kind of how Takeminakata is seen today, being the "official" god but getting to that point by being slapped on and conflated with other myths to get there. In fact, this is arguably the justification for Kanako existing at all, because similarly to Miko, it's possible that scholarly criticism of Takeminakata's legitimacy is why ZUN chose to "move" them into Gensokyo.

>There is Kunitsukami, the gods of the Earth, which are beings like Minoriko. And then there are the spirits of all things, the Myriad Gods, of which Shinrei, or divine spirits, are those people which are praised to become proper deities.
Not quite; myriad gods do encompass both Amatsukami and Kunitsukami, but it's more useful as a term referring just to the kami that inhabit all "things". Divine spirits in contrast are the essence of spirits that may ascend to godhood when worshiped and are categorically not treated as myriad gods in Touhou.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 5 00:44:14 2018 No.18346846 >>18346512 That's why I said in there that Hata no Kawakatsu destroyed the Tokoyo no Kami cult, because it was duty given to him by Matarajin to subdue rival cults. Based on that, I wanna see Kokoro's reaction on meeting Larva.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 5 00:46:34 2018 No.18346855 >>18345513 >noteworthy angels as 2hus There's Sariel in PC98. Too bad ZUN won't bring her to Windows.

Anonymous Mon Feb 5 01:08:29 2018 No.18346967

>>18346846
Yeah, I mainly pointing out that Okina -might- actually be Kawakatsu himself. It could go either way, but her connection to Kokoro probably would be less personal if Kawakatsu ends up being her underling rather than herself.

For what it's worth, Noh is also one of Okina's domains as a goddess.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 5 06:27:29 2018 No.18348069 >>18346716 To elaborate more, Amatsukami are the descendants of Izanagi/Izanami and associates of Takamimusubi in Tamakagahara. While Kunitsukami came from the primordial earth kami Kunikototachi.

Anonymous Mon Feb 5 16:00:11 2018 No.18350173

>>18346967
There might even be the possibility Okina created Kokoro you know since she is a newborn youkai and the whole of HM was about helping her to stabilize herself as a individual. After Okina's intro in WaHH and HSiFS we know she is fully capable of creating stable newborn youkai.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 5 20:21:40 2018 No.18351529 >>18350173 >No Okina-Kokoro interaction until now C'mon ZUN

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 5 21:15:51 2018 No.18351737 >>18345513 I would love to see Mongolian Shamanism in Gensokyo and genderbent Genghis Kahn

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 04:48:42 2018 No.18353371 >>18351529 It's not even a full year after TH16 yeat, just wait

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 09:56:28 2018 No.18354511 >>18250864 Because the Fujiwara is the one who starts shit. The conflict between Mononobe and Soga? Possibly engineered by the Nakatomi, ancestor clan of Fujiwara, so they can kill two birds in one stone and held the sole power in Imperial Court.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 10:36:33 2018 No.18354758 File: 184 KB, 535x420, Reimu-2.jpg [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] mikos are literally the janitors of japan they are under 5 foot, poor, and do it for free.

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 20:32:08 2018 No.18357522 >>18255014 >Nazrin is the mouse who helped Okuninushi escape from conflagration of Susanoo's trial Holy shit, she's older than Bishamonten

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 6 22:59:11 2018 No.18358216 >>18305357 It's not that Susanoo has a tengu theme, it's that the Uchiha clan in general has a tengu theme and Susanoo is an Uchiha technique.

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 00:13:53 2018 No.18358485 >>18358216 >Kurama Tengu/Tengu of Mt. Kurama >Kurama (Fox) Tengu (Uchiha)

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 09:27:06 2018 No.18360323 >>18354511 If this true and revealed, I'm not gonna surprised when Futo and Tojiko decides to go after Mokou.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 14:52:34 2018 No.18361681
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>>18345513
12:12 "For I will pass through the land of Egypt this night, and smite all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both man and beast; against all of the gods of Egypt I will execute judgement: I am the LORD."

The christian god himself is probably an asshole, or at least was an asshole, in Touhou considering he wanted to fuck over the Egyptian gods. You kind of wonder what he means by 'beasts' though, youkai (hobgoblins and such are youkai) or animals?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 7 16:34:22 2018 No.18362249 >>18361681 If Abrahamic God (or Goddess in 2hu works) ends up in Gensokyo, I'm pretty sure he wage war to all kind of religions in there ala Crusade/Jihadist combination.

Anonymous Wed Feb 7 17:07:47 2018 No.18362401

>>18362249
I was thinking he'd be better fir a backstory regarding ither 2hus. We already have Junko's story and Hecatia getting mad at the Lunarian gods (some of which ate Shinto and such)
So god fucks up Egyptian gods by being an edgy rebel against polytheism and giving people plagues and shit, connect that down to a level where it's reasonable for a touhou plot and make it a driving factor of the character or something.
If christianity went to gensokyo it'd probably have to be motivated by a historical figure like Miko or an angel.
Also Lucifer has already been done to some extent.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 04:54:36 2018 No.18365105 >>18362401 >Lucifer has already been done to some extent Mephistopheles

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 06:13:06 2018 No.18365331 >>18362401 Well, for christianity needing to be in gensokyo it must first lose it's faith from the humans, and it's something that we won't be seeing for a long time, anon

Anonymous Thu Feb 8 06:17:27 2018 No.18365345

>>18365331
Maybe Jesus touhou could appear if some heavy moden archeological evidences disregard all myths from him as just an normal human being, or never existed at all. It could trigger christianity going to gensokyo in the future, maybe. Zun isn't fond of much ocidental crap in one go

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 06:53:16 2018 No.18365464 >>18365331 It's not like bhuddism has a lack of faith, anon. Gods can come and go into Gensokyo, even Hecatia has gone to Gensokyo and she's a greek god and all.

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>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 08:40:31 2018 No.18365901 In terms of myth who is the oldest Touhou? Is it Eirin or is it Tewi?

Anonymous Thu Feb 8 09:21:56 2018 No.18366048

>>18365464
Hecatia and Clownpiece sure are something fresh from Touhou, being ocidental myths.
I hope we can see more of that in the future

And i think buddhism isn't the same fervorous thing as in the past, in China less than 20% 20% of the population adheres to Buddhism.
Now compare to monoteistc religions and they dominate much more everywhere, sadly.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 09:24:11 2018 No.18366063 >>18365901 Okina? After all, she's the God behind all things, or she claims that

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 09:43:48 2018 No.18366152 >>18365901 Eirin, since she's Omoikane.

Anonymous Thu Feb 8 09:55:34 2018 No.18366208

>>18365901
It's a bit complicated with those two technically Omoikane is older than the Hare of Inaba when it comes to who predates who myth wise.

However in the context of Touhou we know Tewi is older than Eirin and she treats Tewi as her senior as such.

>>18366063
Or she's behind all things because she is the literal hidden god of backdoors?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 10:20:06 2018 No.18366342 >>18366208 So, okina precede all things, thus being the most hag touhou?

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 16:22:37 2018 No.18368127 >>18366208 >Tewi is older than Eirin and she treats Tewi as her senior as such Source on this? Specifically where she treats as as her senior.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 18:11:31 2018 No.18368724 >>18346855 Noteworthy angels. Sariel sucks.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 8 21:16:54 2018 No.18369976 >>18366208 >However in the context of Touhou we know Tewi is older than Eirin and she treats Tewi as her senior as such. Naw man, Eiren respect Tewi because the latter is the owner of the land where Eientei was built.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 9 05:22:09 2018 No.18371827 >>18365901 Dragon God of course

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 9 05:28:30 2018 No.18371842 >>18368724 You suck.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 9 11:26:16 2018 No.18373050 >>18371827 Still vague. So far we have no information regarding the Dragon God except he created Gensokyo along with the Sages.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 10 05:56:03 2018 No.18377752 Bump

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 10 06:41:31 2018 No.18377934 >>18377752 Why bumping without providing any discussion? Don't be dumb, anon. Also, i'm curious to know more if Eirin really drink fully the Hourai Elixir or not too, it's still unclear to me

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 10 08:02:23 2018 No.18378266 >>18377934 In one of the good Imperishable Night endings she tells Yuyuko she can't actually die after Yuyuko poisoned her tea, because she felt Eirin was different and immune to her instant death ability. Or something like that.

Anonymous Sat Feb 10 11:04:06 2018 No.18379142

>>18378266
"This, along with Yuyuko Saigyouji and Yukari Yakumo's scenario in Imperishable Night, makes it seem that the elixir itself isn't a power that keeps one immortal, but makes one an existence completely independent of even the concept of reality, thus making one not subject to the bounds of life, death, or even manipulation, although the pain of injuries can still be felt. As Alice has said, immortality casts away the physical body, and the soul is constantly reborn in new flesh. This medicine indeed makes one truly invincible, and forced to live out their existence forever. It's no wonder why this medicine is forbidden to the mysterious Lunarians, although it is unclear if this is also forbidden on the Earth."

Really interesting fact about the Hourai Elixir, who fully drinks became completely out from reality forever. That is the most scary shit i have heard from touhou universe now

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 10 18:43:38 2018 No.18381724 >>18379142 Isn't it a bit like constantly reloading emulator savestates for your body? It's not that scary.

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 10 23:14:02 2018 No.18383181 >>18379142 Are Hourai immortals still susceptible to mind rape? Imagine if Satori repeat their trauma over and over again until they become nothing but an eternal empty shell of their former selves.

Anonymous Sun Feb 11 06:29:01 2018 No.18385011

>>18381724
Then go read that webcomics/doujin about the three of them (Mokou, Kauguya and Eirin) going trough the end of time and universe.
Yeah, it is scary and ultimate hopeless

It's not the don't doing concept that it's scary, but about having your soul trapped beyond reality forever and ever and ever and ever.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 11 06:30:05 2018 No.18385014 >>18385011 don't dying

Anonymous Sun Feb 11 22:37:35 2018 No.18389363

>But after a rebellion swoop down the area and her parents died because of it, she was kidnapped by Lunarian and brought to the moon. She became a test subject for time & space-related experiment, which later she developed her own power.

Have Lunarians ever kidnapped or spirited away humans for experiment or some shit?

Anonymous Sun Feb 11 22:46:08 2018 No.18389411

>>18389363

They kept Reimu prisoner for a month, and Reimu hates them so much she gave Flandre a 10/10 in SCoOW recently because maybe Flandre could blow up the moon for her.

Also important to note, Lunarians are too retarded to build vehicles/rockets, this is the main underpinning plot point of IN and why Eirin is doing full moon magic instead of building an anti-air platform.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 11 22:49:29 2018 No.18389425 >>18389411 >They kept Reimu prisoner for a month Why didn't this in one the h-doujins yet?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 11 22:51:17 2018 No.18389437 >>18389425 https://en.touhouwiki.net/wiki/Cage_in_Lunatic_Runagate/Last_Chapter I don't know. They even forced her to dance, and the rabbits threw money at her, and they wouldn't let her pick up the money.

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>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 11 22:56:40 2018 No.18389471 >>18389411 Where's Remi, Sakuya, and Patche? Did they ditch her away?

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 11 23:32:58 2018 No.18389691 >>18389363 >Have Lunarians ever kidnapped or spirited away humans Have you heard of the high elves?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 00:49:04 2018 No.18390113 >>18383181 I'm pretty sure Satori can't do that, since she can just read minds and copy some powers. She doesn't have the "manipulating the x" kind of powers like her sister.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 03:12:21 2018 No.18390607 Whelp, but the question still stands : Are Hourai immortals still susceptible to any kind of mind rape like repeating visions of torture and trauma?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 04:28:41 2018 No.18390804 >>18390607 why does any of this theorycrafting bullshit matter at all, i ask

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 05:28:42 2018 No.18390942 >>18390113 She doesn't really manipulate their memory in that example. She just bring up their trauma and play it on repeat. That's kinda her thing.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 06:25:47 2018 No.18391060 >>18390804 Because the likes of Kars from Jojo. When he stuck on cold vacuum space, apparently he "died" mentally because he stops thinking (his body is still alive though)

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 07:50:03 2018 No.18391291

>>18390607
Maybe, but probably not.
Mokou already had a shit life as it is and I highly doubt she'll care for repeating visions of torture. Literally the edgiest 2hu. She's just a human tho, so she may be mindraped unlike Youkai.
Kaguya's power can very likely cancel that.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 09:28:58 2018 No.18391600 >>18391291 Oh I see, thanks for the info

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 18:27:16 2018 No.18394408 >>18345358 Sauce on pic related?

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 20:10:47 2018 No.18394880 >>18394408 Mazeran

Anonymous Mon Feb 12 20:39:36 2018 No.18395008

>>18389411
>she gave Flandre a 10/10 in SCoOW recently because maybe Flandre could blow up the moon for her.
DOUBLE WHAT
Reimu hates them so much? Like, she's not annoyed but straight up hates them?
Also Flandre was finally mentioned again.

>>18390607
Quoted not word by word:
>One sip makes you immune to growing and aging. The second sip cures all imperfections and illnesses, making you immune to them. The third sip makes you truly immortal.
You could consider the aftermath of mental torture either a mind imperfection or a mind illness, so you can still suffer it in the moment but become immune to any other effect.
However, the following is written only in the touhou.wikia and I can't search for sources right now:
>Drinkers become an existence completely independent of even the concept of reality, thus making one not subject to the bounds of life, death, or even manipulation. (nourishment such as food, water, or sleep does not impact her body at all), This makes them completely indestructible, and it extends to their mental and spiritual states just as much as their physical state.
In this case, the user would be initially susceptible yet she could train, suffer or adapt over (infinite) time, ultimately ignoring it.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 22:28:51 2018 No.18395516 >>18391060 That isn't an answer. This current discussion is entirely nonsense and dumb theorycrafting.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 22:52:23 2018 No.18395648 >>18395516 >I am no fun

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 12 22:57:37 2018 No.18395674 >>18395648 Who are you quoting?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 10:31:08 2018 No.18397777 >>18389363 What do you think of those Saucers flying around?

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 18:30:36 2018 No.18400516 >>18397777 That's Nue obviously

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 13 18:32:00 2018 No.18400526 File: 406 KB, 800x600, literally whos.png [View same] [iqdb] [saucenao] [google] Will we ever get a nordic 2hu? What would they be?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 00:49:28 2018 No.18402448 >>18400526 Loki and Thor of course

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 11:33:57 2018 No.18404826 >>18255014 So Yorihime is the ancestor of the Japanese Emperors until now?

>>	Anonymous Wed Feb 14 21:21:17 2018 No.18407792 >>18404826 In Touhou? Technically yes.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 11:07:04 2018 No.18410614

>>18175535
>福の神は姉で吉祥天、貧乏神は妹で黒闇天だともされる（この2天は仏教でも姉と妹である）。

>It is also said that Fuku no Kami is the older sister and called Kisshoten, and Binbo Gami is the younger sister and called Kokuanten (these two Tenbu deities are also sisters in Buddhism).

>つねに姉の吉祥天と行動を共にするが、彼女の容姿は醜悪で性格は姉と正反対で、災いや不幸をもたらす神とされる。

>Though she always goes with her elder sister, Kisshoten, Kokuanten with her ugly appearance and opposite character to her elder sister was said to be a goddess who brought misfortune and unhappiness.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 11:16:14 2018 No.18410657 [DELETED]

>>18175535
>>18407792
https://www.rodsshinto.com/kisshoten

>In some traditions her father is Takshaka (徳叉迦), her mother Kishimojin (鬼子母神, Sanskrit Hārītī)、her husband Bishamonten, and her sister Kokuanten (黒闇天, Sanskrit Kālarātri).
>her husband Bishamonten

If Kisshoten being the mother Jo'on is true, then no wonder she was held at Myouren Temple in the end of AoCF. Her father is pissed and told Byakuren to bring her into the temple for punishment time.

Anonymous Thu Feb 15 11:17:41 2018 No.18410666

>>18175535
>>18410614

https://www.rodsshinto.com/kisshoten

>In some traditions her father is Takshaka (徳叉迦), her mother Kishimojin (鬼子母神, Sanskrit Hārītī)、her husband Bishamonten, and her sister Kokuanten (黒闇天, Sanskrit Kālarātri).
>her husband Bishamonten

If Kisshoten being the mother Jo'on is true, then no wonder she was held at Myouren Temple in the end of AoCF. Her father is pissed and told Byakuren to bring her into the temple for punishment time.

>>	Anonymous Thu Feb 15 21:58:19 2018 No.18414343 >>18389363 Unknown as of yet, but since they're afraid of being even close to humans not many will be willing to go to Earth so I don't think it's likely. But like another anon said, they probably have the moral capability to do something like that.

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 10:53:43 2018 No.18417328 >>18400526 >nordic 2hu Overrated. Aztec/Maya/Inca 2hu when?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 23:42:43 2018 No.18422167 >>18395008 Is there anyway to defeat the Hourai immortals?

>>	Anonymous Fri Feb 16 23:50:13 2018 No.18422207 >>18093943 but where does uwabami breakers come into this?

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 00:33:49 2018 No.18422444 >>18422167 what do you mean by defeat

>>	Anonymous Sat Feb 17 12:30:05 2018 No.18425005 >>18422444 I mean put them down to good for eternity.

Anonymous Sat Feb 17 14:36:13 2018 No.18425649

How would a family tree for the european branch of gods in touhou be? At least the pagan ones, as they all pretty much stem from indo-european myth.
Perkwunos has some connections to Thor, through Finnish myth, and Dyeus has some connection to greek mythology, possibly where Zeus stems from for example. Gods are born from human thought, after all.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 12:20:30 2018 No.18431577 >>18425649 Probably they keep on their respective regions. Japanase myth has some Chinese influence too (Compare Izanagi/Izanami to Fu Xi/Nu Wa)

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 21:07:13 2018 No.18434124 >>18425005 Shutdown their mind or ability to think and seal away their living bodies.

>>	Anonymous Sun Feb 18 22:04:04 2018 No.18434490 >>18425005 Fire them off to the emptiness of space..

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 03:44:05 2018 No.18435876 >>18425005 well you can't basically by definition, so

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 11:03:08 2018 No.18437405 >>18435876 I know they cannot permanently dead, but at least they can be permanently sealed or freezed

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 16:40:28 2018 No.18439875 >>18431577 Yeah, but it's directly related with a lot of European stuff.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 19:39:11 2018 No.18441342 >>18149713 Give me a loli-Väinämöinen 2hu, and I would die as a happy man.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 22:00:48 2018 No.18442565 >>18437405 They can reform their bodies whereever, it's just decoration.

>>	Anonymous Mon Feb 19 22:14:35 2018 No.18442657 >>18442565 Yeah, but if they are in state of stillness or freezing unharmed, the bodies won't reform anything

>>	Anonymous Tue Feb 20 06:55:56 2018 No.18444970 >>18439875 ZUN probably not too care about that stuff.

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